Piers Morgan Uncensored - "You're DISGUSTING!" Iran War Debate, Michigan Race + Enes Kanter Freedom On WNBA Row

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

The midterm elections could effectively end the second Trump presidency, but are we ignoring the bigger danger? As Republicans focus on the Michigan race, the conflict in Iran is escalating into the most unpopular war in US history. Tonight’s Piers Morgan Uncensored analyzes the Iran Crisis, Strait of Hormuz and US political fallout with Glenn Greenwald, Cenk Uygur, Jillian Michaels, and Ronna McDaniel. Plus; former NBA star Enes Kanter Freedom joins Piers after he made global headlines recently after being ejected from a women’s match over an altercation with a player. He sat courtside wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the words “woman. Noun. Adult human female”; sparking an argument with Chicago Sky’s Natasha Cloud. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and sponsored by: Mars Men: For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off FOR LIFE, Free Shipping, AND 3 Free Gifts at Mars Men at https://mengotomars.com/. 00:00:00 Introduction 00:02:24 Cenk Uygur on America restarting a full-scale war in Iran 00:08:11 Glen Greenwald on developments in the Iran War 00:13:41 Ronna McDaniel on Iran war and midterms 00:17:40 Abdul El-Sayed’s resurfaced 9/11 tweets 00:24:55 Cenk’s chair breaks mid-rant! 00:31:45 Will Abdul El-Sayed win in Michigan? 00:45:05 Piers’ viral interview with Milo Yiannopoulos 00:56:46 Enes Kanter Freedom interview Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Well, you should hate him because he's Muslim. Well, I'm sorry. Are we ever going to talk about Mike Rogers? Hang on. I do. I do. Hang on. The midterm elections could effectively end the second Trump presidency,

condemning the U.S. to two years of gridlock and probable impeachment. That's why Republicans want to make the whole election about one guy. and Michigan and his friendship with Hassan Piker. The reality is that voters will be a lot more worried about the Iran war, at least his economic consequences. US airstrikes have reportedly killed four people and injured 50 at a wedding overnight. Iran is calling it a war crime.

The same chief negotiator who sat with J.D. Vance a few months ago, now says, quote, if a power acts like Satan, picks targets like Satan, and kills like Satan, it's Satan. Well, for all the current talk of economic collapse in Iran, that doesn't sound like deal-making talk. In fact, Iran is now bombing US targets across the Middle East and two oil tankers have reportedly hit mines of Australia of Hormuz.

A three-week war, which has been declared over and won more than 200 times now by President Trump, is now entering its seventh month. It also happens to be the most unpopular war in US history. Trump posted yesterday that Iran's leadership is in total disarray and incapable to properly represent the country. Well, don't be surprised if Iran's propagandists say the exact same thing about him.

Join me to discuss this. Glenn Greenwald, host of System Update. Cheong Yuga, the founder and CEO, the Young Turks. Julia Michaels, host of Keeping It Real. And Ronna McDaniel, the Republican strategy to the former RNC chair. Well, a stellar panel to debate. A lot going on here.

Chek, welcome back to Unsensored. Always good to start with you in a calm, measured way. You look very calm and measured. So this is a good start to proceedings. This war, where are we with this war? Because it seems to me we're now into the very kind of logjam, quagmire, never-ending war that Donald Trump always said categorically he was not interested in pursuing if he was president. Yeah, we're in a state of disaster.

So you're absolutely right. They said it would only take four to five weeks. we're now six months in, and now we've restarted a full-scale war. And so every once in a while we get outraged that Iran is trying to block ships in the Strait of Hormuz by planting sea mines, et cetera. Yeah, they want to close the Strait of Hormuz. That's their only point of leverage. And so they're going to keep doing that until the end of time. Scott Besson and Donald Trump live in fantasy land, where they keep telling us we've already won and the war is over.

Trump even put out a mission accomplished video the other day. So my guess is economic catastrophe is next. And the markets have kept this together with duct tape and glue, pretending that there is no war and that the price of oil isn't going to be affected. But now all of that mirage is pretty much gone. So, yeah, Trump and the Republican Party signed up for this war. And of course, we know why for Israel, because they got paid by the Israeli lobby to do it.

80% of the country is against it. And they dragged us into this war. Now for the third time, and this economic bluff is also preposterous. Well, we're going to take everybody off the dollar that would hurt us more than it would hurt anyone else. So Trump keeps punching himself in the face and keeps punching America in the face all on behalf of Israel.

When all of this goes terribly tailed wrong, as it already has, remember, none of us Americans actually want, wanted this war. The only people who wanted this war were the Israelis. OK, Gillian Michaels, welcome back to Uncensored to you. There's another way of looking at this, which is, yes, the initial predictions it would all be over very quickly, clearly have not happened. Clearly, the IRGC has not collapsed. Clearly, the regime hasn't collapsed. And clearly, the Strait of Hormuz has been used as an extremely effective tool of leverage by the Iranians.

All of those things are true. But Brett McCirk, who's a former senior national security, adviser for Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden, published a very interesting analysis for CNN, entitled No Iran is Not Winning. In Act 4 of the War, it's losing its leverage in Hormuz. And he said of the US actions since mid-July, the results been an effective blockade on Iranian oil shipments with global shipments recovering and energy prices remaining remarkably stable. Bloomberg reported this week that oil flows through the strait have recovered to two-thirds of pre-war levels, that means pressure is now compounding on Iran and not the US. And if Iran loses its ability to hold the straight hostage, its leverage dissipates rapidly.

Now, you yourself called this scenario a few months ago on X when you said, while the world was distracted by ceasefire headlines, a secret geopolitical chess move by the US and in Iran completely stripped Iran of its ultimate leverage in the Strait of Hulmoose, effectively trapping them in a corner with nowhere left to turn. So look, there is a school of thought here that it's still early in a war, six months, seven months or so, and that actually, yes, the way that it's being conducted has had to be adapted, and I'm playing devil's advocate here, but that actually the economic pressures now being applied could be the way that ultimately the Americans and Israelis prevail here.

Your thoughts? I think it would be the only way they prevail if, in fact, they do prevail. I was hopeful initially that this would be over quickly, and it hasn't obviously resolved in that manner. You know, we're still, we're now months into it, as you just mentioned. It is very unpopular. If I was to push back against Jank, I would say that I do believe Iran is an existential threat. And I know he doesn't. I know I don't believe Glenn does. I think that they are. I've heard Marco Rubio very convincingly explained. that if we had let this go,

Iran would have been able to amass enough missiles that we would have had zero influence or ability to stop them from creating a nuclear weapon. So can you bring me to a place where the conversation is we either acted now or they ended up with a nuke and God knows where that would bring us down the road? Maybe, but there's no question

that we're in a tough situation. It's wildly unpopular. It's going to hurt Trump in the midterms. and it remains to be seen if this is going to work out or not. I mean, pretty defeats this language there by Gillian. Glenn, welcome. Well, yeah, I'm going to bring Glennie.

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I think people have sadly stopped listening or taking much notice of these constant outpourings by Trump about the state of this war because nothing he posts seems to bear much relation to the reality on the ground. But this theory which is being put out by people like Brett McGirk that actually it has not been a long time historically

this war so far, much longer than we were told it would be, but still historically a relative. of a very short period of time, and that the constant economic pressure could ultimately force Iran to the table sooner or later. What do you think of that? I mean, it just strikes me that sometimes I think we lose sight of how absurd all of these rationales are. The, you know, Julian started by saying, oh, I thought the war was going to be a lot shorter than it ended up being, you know, with respect, like, how many times are people going to fall for that? You know, we were told that we would be able to take out Saddam and,

and put in the government that we wanted and achieve our objectives in Iraq in minimum, maximum two to three months. Rumsfeld once said maybe six months out the outside and 10 years later we were still there. Same in Afghanistan. It'd be easy to take out the Taliban. We were there for 20 years.

We left and the Taliban marched right in as if none of it ever happened. How many times are we going to fall for the same propaganda? Same with the idea that Iran is an existential threat through the United States. This is all the same stuff we heard about Iraq. They're on the market for nuclear weapons. They're building WMDs.

They're an existential threat. They're terrorizing their own people. We're going to liberate. It's the same playbook over and over, and it never works. So now you have this alternative theory that never existed at the start of the war. There was never any war goal, enunciated at the start of the war, that we were going to create an alternative channel in the Strait of Hormuz to take out Iran's leverage. This was never mentioned as a war.

This is something that desperate people do when they're hoping to grab something in the dark that justifies this incredibly dangerous war that they started for no real clear reason. The reality is we didn't need to remove the leverage of Iran with the Strait of Hormuz when this war started because the Strait of Hormuz had always been open. So we have now like a war that has to go on. People have to die. We have to spend enormous sums of money. We have to further deplete our stockpiles, which are already depleted, ruin our credibility on the world stage,

to solve a problem that never existed until the war started in the first place that the war itself created. And I just want to add one last point, which is, yes, there is leverage that Iran has for the Strait of Hermuz, but it is not the only leverage. It's not even the most significant leverage that they have. The most significant leverage that they have is that they have proven they can easily destroy huge amounts of energy infrastructure in what we call our Persian gold ally states, which are actually dictatorships. And they have been imposing and continue to impose large-scale damage on American military bases throughout the region. We don't hear much about it because those military bases are in dictatorships, which are our allies, and they don't permit much

news to get out about it, but we know for certain that serious damage has been inflicted, probably deaths in American service members over the last couple of days, on these bases in the Middle East. And if they really wanted to, they could destroy the energy infrastructure on which the world depends in the Middle East. And then you would see real scale, genuine economic collapse with oil reserves depleting and the like. We're playing a very dangerous game. And for what? Yeah, I mean, I think the four what is a really interesting question because Ronald Daniel, welcome back to you. You know, it seems to me that there's a massive economic problem here for President Trump because of the pressure that Iran's applied through the Australia for moves on 20% of the world's energy. That has clearly had a very, very bad effect on global economy, on the American economy, on cost of living, on the cost of energy and so on.

That's obvious. But there's a ticking clock here of a political nuclear weapon against Donald Trump, which is the midterm elections, which come in just two months' time. And because of these economic issues, which people are suffering, I would say it's more likely than not. It's still two months. But let's assume things don't change before then, because why would they? Why would the Iranians do a deal before the midterms, knowing how much leverage they have?

So let's assume we get to two months' time and it's still raging away unresolved and prices are still the same as they are. The Republicans are more likely than not to lose control of Congress, of both the House, I think, and the Senate, as things stand. And if that happens, we all know what that means. You know, whether Donald Trump wants to admit it to himself or not, he becomes a lame-up president. Is it likely he'd be immediately impeached? Very certainly, I would think, because of the form that the Democrats have with impeached. and Trump. So he's got two months to try and fix this, really, both economically and of course cascading politically. This is all meshed into one big thing. I said on the first week of this war

that I really was concerned this was going to become the great sword of Damocles for Trump. It would become a legacy defining thing. If he wasn't very careful, this could end up defining his entire presidency. What do you feel? Well, there's a lot to unpack there. First of all, I agree with you. I don't think Iran has any reason to try and resolve this before the midterms.

I think they've stated, we're not going to do this. They want to see what happens in the midterms. And they've also played the long game for a long time and had sanctions. And this is something that they're dug in on. I'm really glad that Trump hasn't caved. And he has said, we are not going to allow

a nuclear capable Iran. And I think especially after this war, We do not want to leave this undone and allow Iran to continue to pursue nuclear weapons. That would be bad for the country. It would be bad for the world. And President Trump has stood his ground. And he has said, I am not budging on this issue

even with the mid-james leaving. But, Ron, the problem is the Iranians aren't budging either. They've still got all their enriched uranium, right? They've still got a lot of ballistic missiles. It's still, as Glenn said, firing off rockets, left, right and center of the Gulf state, neighboring Gulf states. They still control the world.

Australia at Fulmoose, you know, I don't see how Trump is any nearer to stopping Iran's nuclear aspirations as he sees it than he won six months ago. He's doing the right thing and saying, we're not going to let you become nuclear capable. But how's he going to stop him? He's going to continue to put pressure and it'll get bigger and bigger. You're seeing him now doing strikes. We will see how that plays out. But what President Trump isn't doing is saying, I'm going to fold because of the midterms

and say because of what you're saying or others are saying that this might create some political pressure. I'm going to walk away from the core goal of this, which was to make sure we don't have a nuclear capable Iran. Now, I will disagree with you that the midterms look terrible. I think the Senate, I think the Republicans keep the Senate. I do not think they're going to win in Texas or Alaska. I think these are states that they're praying that they're going to win.

Susan Collins is going to hold strong in Maine. Yes, I think the Senate stays in the Republican's hands based on the map. We don't know about the House. But again, the midterms are not. going to come down just to this war. When we're talking to voters in my state of Michigan, economics and affordability are the big issues. And you know who's been in control of our state for eight years? Democrats. Democrats have been in control of our state. And a lot of the hopelessness in our state comes from our high insurance rates, our inability to afford homes, our highest

auto rates, the fact that two-thirds out of the fourth graders in the state can't read. And that falls squarely on the Democrat. So it's going to become a state-by-state candidate-by-candidate. issue as we had in the midterms. And Trump's team has done a very good job on the redistricting and really putting Republicans in a place where they can win races that they weren't expected to in this upcoming midterm. Okay. Can I guess quick question, Pierce? Did you know quick question Pierce about that punitry? So, Anna, you're saying that your understanding of American politics is that when people are suffering economically, it benefits the party that's in control of the White House, the Senate, and the House in Washington? That's good for the Republican politics. I'm saying,

I just said in my state of Michigan, where Democrats have had control for eight years, and two-thirds of the fourth graders can't even read in this state, and our auto insurance is the highest ever, and our property taxes are up through the roof. And we're 45th out of all the states, Democrats are going to take blame here. That is, this is their election. Almost all the red states are at the very bottom. Almost all the red states are very bottom. Mississippi.

Mississippi. Also, Michigan just voted for a Democratic senator two years ago against the same Republican nominee that you have now. I've never heard that theory before that it's good for the party in power. Michigan, after eight years of, Michigan after eight years of a party in power, usually switches party. Right. Because they believe in. Let's turn to talk about your state. Well, let's talk about your state because it's actually very interesting. Let's bring, let's bring Chank back in here because we've got the 25th anniversary of 9-11. upon us very soon. And the Michigan Senate race is getting closer by the day. And of the backdrop of all this, we have this story about CBS running a story about all social media posts from Abdul al-Said entitled

for Michigan Democrat Abdul al-Said, September 11th commemoration, invites scrutiny of past remarks. And it pointed to two deleted tweets. And for those you haven't seen these, I want to just read them, because I think it's relevant to the debate we're going to have. In the first from 2020, Al-Said compared the lives lost during the pandemic to the lives lost on September 11th. He wrote, 3,000 dead on 9-11 meant everything, 200,000 dead of COVID-19 means nothing. In the second, he compared 9-11 with America's wars.

He said, today I mourn the 3,000 lives, 6,000 injuries, and infrastructural devastation in New York, perpetuated ignorantly in the name of my faith. Tomorrow I'll mourn a million lives, millions of injuries, and infrastructural devastation in three countries perpetrated ignorantly in the name of my country. Now, it seems to me, Cheng, there's been an added complication to this in terms of the story, which is that apparently the new CBS news chief, Barry Weiss, may have interfered with this by making sure the headline for the story by CBS referenced 9-11. And Elside himself responded to all this by saying this.

We noticed that there were some resurface quotes on 9-11. and I was wondering if it's making it challenging to reach more Republican or more moderate voters in this race. Well, I mean, all of us look back and say 9-11 is a often a thing that happened to this country. And I think all of us also look back and say, think about all the wars that were fought. And how much safer do we feel like they made us? How many lives did they ruin? And my point is just to say that what happened on 9-11 is a disaster. It was a terrible attack on our country.

and our responsibility is also to think about how do we build in America where we are protecting that our servicemen and women from being asked to fight awards we have no business fightings that ultimately end up doing harm to Hitch and we're saying that right now.

Now look, I think Al-Said is a very smooth operator, Cheng, I think he's an effective communicator, there's no doubt about that. He's clearly being targeted heavily by Republicans because they see him as a threat and they brought in your nephew Hassan Piker as a stick to beat him and we'll come to that as well. But on this specific story,

the most significant part of this to me is not whether Barry Wise said focus on 9-11 because she runs the newsroom air if she wants to do that. I don't have a problem with that. He did equivocate between 9-11 several times and other stuff. And by doing that,

that would be a controversial thing to do particularly to New Yorkers, but I think to most Americans, they would go, you know what, just keep these things separate, would be my observation from here. But the interesting thing to me, Chek, is he deleted these tweets. So something in him knew, well, he did delete them, as a fact. So to me, the significance... No, you're totally misrepresenting it.

You're falling into Barry Weiss's trap. Well, he didn't delete them? So let me explain what happened. Okay. Yeah. So he deleted all of his tweets before 2023. This happened to be in the batch. didn't go and find these tweets and delete them. There's nothing wrong with these tweets at all.

They're perfectly benign. And Barry Weiss demanded that his name and 9-11 be in the title because she's a bigot and she wanted to smear him because he's Muslim. To be fair to her, her bosses demanded. David Ellison and Larry Ellison are enormous bigots who spread hatred against Muslims and against any Americans who defy Israel. That's why Barry Weiss was hired to smear Muslims. or any American that criticizes Israel, and she's doing her job now. But to be fair to Barry Weiss and CBS, all of mainstream media spreads hatred against all Muslims,

and if you dare criticize Israel, they'll take your head off. So look at the disparity here. So literally everyone in media is attacking Abdul al-Said. The Democrats are attacking Abdul-Sahid. The Republicans are attacking Abdul-Sahid. Why? Because the UNIP Party and the establishment loves Israel, and they know that he's not going to back. Israel. And Mike Rogers, on the other hand, has been pushing for Israel's war for the last 20 years

against Iran. Starting in 2006, he told the same exact lies as Benjamin Netanyahu about how Iran was weeks away from having a nuke. Iran is about to have a nuke. And we're still having that conversation 20 freaking years later. Why? Mike Rogers has worked for Israel for the last 20 years. Why is no one asking him to denounce Benjamin Netanyahu, the murderer of 23,000, children. We're talking about what a streamer said. Netanyahu said that Israel should have the land from the river to the sea, and then he actually started doing it. He started quoting Amalek about killing all the men, women, and children in Gaza. He's a genocidal monster. So why doesn't someone ask Mike Rogers to denounce Benjamin Netanyahu? Why do we have this absurd, preposterous,

bigoted media that always attacks Israel's critics? And any American that dares defy Israel they call an anti-Semite. Look, at this point, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, et cetera, are much kinder to Muslims and care about equality than mainstream media. Mainstream media is a million times more bigoted than Tucker Carlson. All they ever do is attack Muslim candidates over and over again, all for their beloved Israel. So since there are almost no defenders of Abdul al-Said and media, I'm going to declare

myself an unsanctioned surrogate for Abdul, and I will take on anyone. I will debate anyone on this Michigan Senate race. Mike Rogers has worked for Israel for 20 years, trying to drive us into this disastrous war for 20 years. He also, by the way, takes money from telecommunication companies, big pharma. He believes in on spying on you. After Stoney, he wanted to spy on Americans even more. He's in favor of the surveillance state. No one asks him any of these questions. Why is the media so biased that they won't ask Mike Rogers a single tough question? But all they ever do is, oh, Abdul al-Said, he's so Muslim, he's so Muslim, well, you should hate him because he's Muslim.

That's all this press ever does. And I'm ready to defend Abdul-A-S-In-Henner. Go ahead, Rodan, give me your BS and let me kill it. Let me destroy your nonsense talking points. Go ahead. First of all, you're so vitriolic. Can we just have a conversation? And it's not fair to say that people who disagree with Edgar L-L-L-A-S-E.

Yeah, I don't like our country. being dragged into war. 18 Americans are dead because of your beloved Israel. That's why I'm vitriol. I don't like people saying I hate America and I deserve 9-11. Nobody thinks that. Yeah, your nephew said that. We love America.

We love America so much. We want to represent America instead of Israel. He put a picture of the Twin Towers being blown up behind him because he loves America. Okay, okay. Let me stop you there. Let's be honest. Give me a break. Let me play a little mashup of your nephew, Chang, Hassan Pika, and the controversial things

he said about this. Here we go back to our sicken. Are we ever going to talk about Mike Rogers? Hang on. I do this. Oh, no. You don't want to talk about Hassan? Is he coming in?

Is he coming back to Michigan? I do think it's relevant. Because now Duel doesn't want to be anywhere near him. I do think is right. I do think is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mike Rogers works for Israel. He's going to betray you.

All right. Let me just. Michigan, do not let Israel by that seat. If I may just get a wording. This is Israel versus America. If I may get a word in, I want to play. Our state is failing. Let me.

Oh, let me guess. Hassan Piker. No, no. I want to give a I would like viewers to know what. I would like, please stop you call me a bigot. Don't you ever call me a bigot. Please, guys, thank you.

Oh, I just did. What are you going to do about it? Bigot. Who are you calling a bigot? You're disgusting. You're disgusting. That is so wrong. Let me play.

You're disgusting for working for Israel. Let me play. All right, change. That's enough. I don't work for Israel. Please, can I please take control back of this panel if it's okay with everybody? I want to play a little mashup of what Hassan said. which is what you referenced, Ronner,

so that viewers watching, understand what you're talking about. Let's take a look. God damn it, I hate America so much. We are the bad guys. We are the bad guys. Why do I hate America? Because I recognize accurate history.

Oh, God, I hate America so much. God, I hate America so fucking much. Sometimes it's like so stupid, dude. God, I hate America so much. Bro, I hate this country, dude. I hate America so fucking much, dude. Oh, God. I just, I hate America so much.

Now, he seems pretty clear there, Chank, unless you think he's been misquoted. Yeah. Yeah, I don't care. He's not running. He's not running for Senate in Michigan. And he's not anywhere near as connected to a candidate. As Mike Rogers, by the way, has someone from,

that was it part of that neo-Nazi chat in the young Republicans, a guy who defends him. You got a donor who said anti-Semitic things. But nobody ever questions, Rogers because you guys all want to smear Abdul al-Saeed. All right. Let me bring in Julian. So what?

Let me bring in Julian. I'm connected to Abdul. I just declared myself an unsanctioned Surgent. I love America. All I want is our representatives to serve America and not a foreign country. You know who hates America? Sell out traitors like Mike Rogers who work for a different country and try to drag us into their wars decade after decade.

Let the others. Here's, can everyone on the panel agree that Mike Rogers has been trying to try and Mike Rogers has been trying to drag us into Israel's war for the last 20 years, and that is much more relevant to anything, as streamer says. Is that the only one that gets the top here? Are you the only one that got seven hundred and others injured. That costs us $100 billion. I don't want to have to mute you. So stop talking.

When is Israel and Mike Rogers going to give us $100 billion back? Let the other speak. Now, Gillian, you'd be waiting very patiently. Your face has been contorting into positions where I'm worried it may never recover. Over to you. Listen, here's the thing. I do think I disagree with Glenn. I think that Iran is an existential threat.

I think that numerous administrations previously have acknowledged that. I think they are the top funder of terror proxies. I think they have missiles that we now know can hit Europe. Against Israel. Who cares? They have said death to America. And I'm pretty sure they mean it. Well, when they say death to America, kind of is our business chank.

Like, it kind of matters to me. Only because we support Israel. Do you know that? Do you even know that? It has nothing to do with America. It's because we support Israel. Let Gillian speak. It's not a matter of agreement or disagree.

Israel's been trying to destroy Iran for 20 years. And all the only do is fund them so they could destroy the entire Middle East. Let the other speak, please. I don't agree with you. And then I think if the conversation becomes, well, we had it under control with the JCPOA, I don't actually think that we did. And we could get into that absolutely. Can we move on back to Michigan, though, Julia?

Well, the reason I come back to Michigan, because I do think it's relevant. This whole issue of Abdul al-Sai, he is now being targeted by the Republicans relentlessly, and they're bringing Hassan PICA into it relentlessly. And I do think there's obvious why they're doing this. And there's an attempt to try and draw him into this whole September 11th, 25th anniversary, debate by saying this is a guy who tried to equivocate about it, and that's an arguable point. and that Hassan Paiqa, one of his supporters, is somebody who repeatedly says, you know, he hates America.

This is the story that's running. What is your, do you think it's valid? Do you think it'll work? I mean, is there a danger of this strategy doesn't work? I do think that it is. And you all agree that it's a bigoted strategy. All right, let Gillian answer. I don't agree with you, Jank.

The fact that you hang out. How come they never ask Mike Rogers a question? Let Julian. Chech. Listen, I appreciate that Hassan is your nephew. But when you excuse rape, when you justify terror not you. I don't care about his son. I care about the Michigan Senate rape.

I understand. Americans, not Israelis, Americans be represented. But, Jenk, look who he is utilizing as a campaign tool. Who's Mike Rogers utilizing Benjamin Netanyahu? Who's Benjamin Netanyahu utilizing Mike Rogers to steal that Senate seat for Israel? To hang out with a guy that justifies rape, says Jews better fall in line and Are you kidding me? That's not even remotely true. And second of all, you know what's extreme hanging out with a guy who murdered 23,000 children. Do you denounce Benjamin Netanyahu was murdered 23,000 children in Gaza? It's a simple question. Do you denounce them?

Do you denounce that in Yahoo? He murdered 23,000 kids. It's not a hard question. I think that's terrible. I think what's going on in the Middle East is terrible. I have said that. I will continue to say that. I am against attacks on. over it on innocent Jewish people. And I am seeing a lot of that. And no one's doing that. Your nephew just said, if you're a Jew and you support Israel, you better look out. You're the one making anti-Semitism worse,

pretty dangerous position. That's a threat. You know who else said that? Ezra Klein said that. Dana Bash said that. Haley Stevens said that. And none of that is right. Radical Zionist claiming that all Jews are responsible

for the genocide, it endangers other innocent. other innocent Jewish-American. Let me ask you, look. I don't want to ask, okay, listen. I want to ask Jillian, I want to ask Gillian, there are radical affiliations that make you wonder about the guy. Gillian, I want to ask Gillian a straightforward question about Abdul al-Said, right?

Yeah. Is it fair and reasonable, given that he deleted these tweets, along with many others, as Cheng says, but is it fair and reasonable to associate him in the way the Republicans and CBS to a degree have done here with 9-11 in a, Smear tactic manner. Is it fair? Is it the right thing to do? It is my personal opinion that he was making the statement of, well, my government is engaged

in these wars and all these people have died. You're suggesting this is what you get. That's absolutely what I took away from it. Now, if that offends you and you don't want a U.S. Senator to hold that position, then don't vote for him. I think that's fair. I think that's what he was saying. And I think that there are a host of other affiliations. that are evidence of his opinion being exactly that. You know, when your half-sister takes to the Internet to give October 7th blessings, when the Muslim Brotherhood puts you on their homepage,

when your father-in-law is holding positions of power in organizations that are co-conspirate, unindicted co-conspirators of the Holy Land Terror financing trial, it's alarming. This is all nonsense. Sorry if that makes me a bigot. This is nonsense. Okay.

It's true, though. Let me bring Glenn in. Let me bring, let me, let me let me let me know. I want to let the other speak. I want to let. I want to let Glenn is being supported by radical. Please, Jane, let Glenn. Let's flip it.

Glenn will respond to that. Glenn. Okay, let's flip it. Let's flip it. Oh, hey, Mike Rogers is supported by radical Jews. Please let Glenn respond. I would like Glenn. Change, show some respect to your fellow powers.

Be outrageous, right? But what are you doing about Muslims, everybody's fine with it. Smear all the Muslims, right? Let your other panelists talk, please. Glenn. Pierce, I think that we're having this conversation, and it makes a lot of sense to people in media because we followed these kind of issues day by day.

But I personally think that the biggest lesson that I took away from Trump's victory in 2016, and really in 2024, was that there were all these rules that we thought applied in politics that Trump broke one after the next, and he continued to rise in the polls and win, anyway because it turned out that none of the things that media people thought were mattered were actually the things that mattered to the American people. He had a huge lead in 2015.

That was when he mocked John McCain's status of POW. Everyone in the media was sure that Trump was going to fall in the polls now because you don't mock John McCain's POW status. It didn't make the slightest difference because nobody except the people in the media cared about John McCain in this kind of taboo. Same thing when he said when he was asked by Bill Riley, why do you love Putin so much? He kills journalists. He kills all these people. And Trump's response was, oh, what, you think we're so innocent, equating the United States to Russia. Oh, you can't say that. Well, he said it and he continued to win because it turns out that the things that we talk

about because of our status and position in life aren't the same things that concern Americans. The reality is that for as much as you want to say about Hassan Piker, and I personally don't think there's anything wrong with what he said about 9-11 and we can talk about why, but I don't even think it matters because polls show pretty much uniformly now that that Abdul al-Said, who's the actual candidate, is in front. of Mike Rogers. That's the reality of the polling on the ground in Michigan. How many times do we have to learn that all of these taboos, what you can say about, you think Americans are waking up and

thinking about what someone, whether someone's talking about 9-11 in the right way? Polls show that Americans are not just discontent, but furious and angry about the United States and their government and how they're treated. You don't think Americans walk around and say, God, sometimes I really hate this country. Look at what they do to our lives. This is totally common sentiment. Yes, it's something that's taboo if you're a political consultant. If you're someone in the media and you want to have these kind of punitary conversations, it seems like it's fatal. And it wasn't even El Saeed who said it.

It was just someone with Al Saeed. Meanwhile, you have Donald Trump who dined with Nick Fuentes and Kanye West, whose closest advisor, Laura Lumer, spouts more bigotry and racism in a single day than Hassan Piker ever has in his entire life. And I don't think it's hurting Trump politically because these aren't the kinds of things people care about. And I hope there's someday when we in the media, people, and I have to include myself in this, start realizing the things we think are important aren't the things that the people we claim to be speaking on behalf of think are important. I know Ronna McDonnell lives in Michigan,

but I hate to break it to you, Ron, but your life is not really very similar to the people that you claim to speak for. And the things that you say you care about aren't the things they claim to speak about. People in Michigan aren't driving up and demanding a war with the Ron, much to the contrary. So I think we need to just start looking in the the mirror a little bit with some self-reflection. Yes, there's a reason why Al-Said is in the lead and won his Democratic nomination. All of this was aired over and over. There's a reason Zoran Mondami won in New York, even though we were told nobody with those positions can win with a huge Jewish population in New York, with the real estate billionaires being so influential. And he blew

everybody away, including the Cuomo family, which had been basically undefeated up until that point. There has to be some humility about the fact that we don't speak for the voters. And the things we endlessly talk about aren't the things that they unless to talk about and the things we think are taboo aren't the things they care about. Okay, Ronnie, your response? I'm going to push back a little because I do live in Michigan. And so I think it's really interesting to listen

to all of you talk about a state that I live in. I never left when I was RNC chair. I stayed here. My kids went to public school here. And absolutely, I have a lot of the same issues as I have a son at Michigan State who I really want to have a job in Michigan and not move away from my state like everybody is doing every hour from our state. And it's not just about Hassan Piker.

The reason Hassan Pikers become an issue is because Abdul al-Sayed chose to bring him into this race. He chose to bring him to Michigan to campaign with him. This isn't anybody's choice to bring him into this rate except for Abdul-Al-Sayed. So that is why it's become an issue.

That being said, we are a state on the decline. States around us are doing better. Jobs are leaving. Unemployment is high. And of course, the midterms are usually harder for the party in power in Washington. That's a given we all know. know that, and Republicans have the power. So midterms traditionally are bad for us. But I will say in

Michigan, there's another layer, which is we have had Democrat control for eight years. Our kids can't read. Our schools aren't functioning. Our insurance rates are through the roof. Our property taxes are through the roof. People are feeling like they can't afford to live here. And you can't just blame that on Donald Trump. And I do have a different perspective because I actually live here. Very interesting takes. You don't speak for the, I live in Burdorf. I live in Burm. I would never say I speak for all Brazilians. I live here. Do you live here?

You were the chair. You were the chair of one of the two major political parties connected to massive wealth and power and finance in that position. Your life couldn't be any more different than the majority of people in Michigan. I'm not saying you don't understand. So when somebody says abolish the police or defund the police or we shouldn't have prisons, that doesn't matter to me? But do you think the polls, do you think the polls from Michigan, including what have long been considered the gold standard polls? And I realize polls are often wrong, but they are showing El-Said either extremely closer or much more commonly in the lead, despite all of these things that you claim Michiganers are so horrified by. Do you think these polls are wrong or made up or what?

I agree they're often wrong. But Glenn, let's just talk to the polls specifically in Michigan. And I want to dial it down because I felt like we got way off with Chink. And I do want to have a real discussion where people are learning. But the polls had Syed winning overwhelmingly his primary against Haley Stevens. I mean, the polls were so wrong in Michigan for Syed. We also saw polls for Francesca Hong in Wisconsin showing her winning overwhelmingly. So what I do think is that these polls for some of these socialist candidates are not gauging how much people don't like them.

Okay, okay, he's socialist adjacent. Okay, he's hanging out with all the socialists. No, he's capitalist. He's very clear about that. Okay, right, all right, sure. But he's socialist adjacent. But the polling, to my point, the polling did absolutely misread how close that race was going to be against with him, Haley Stevens. So I don't trust the polling right now in Michigan anyway.

Okay, that's fine. And he did win. He did win by a very slim margin. So despite massive funding disadvantages, thanks to A-Pact. Ron is pulling this thing of that the old Douglas Murray church of, have you been there? We don't have to be in Michigan to know what the polling indicates about the proser. about the concerns of the voters of Michigan. And they're concerned about affordability.

They're concerned about prices. Trump has done nothing about that. Mike Rogers promises to do nothing about that other than follow Donald Trump. And he says gas prices are not that big a deal. It's more important that we have this war that he's been pushing for for 20 years. You mentioned how who Abdul brought him to the race.

Well, Mike Rogers has brought the Israeli lobby into Michigan for the last 20 years. He's taken money from them over and over and over again. And he's always represented Israel instead of America in Michigan. And it makes no sense for anybody in Michigan to vote for a representative of Bolivia or Kazakhstan or Israel. It makes no sense.

And let me ask you this, Piers. And I'm asking, peers, let me ask you this. Isn't it obvious? Isn't it obvious? And can we acknowledge? Can we acknowledge? Can we all acknowledge that the media has been ridiculously biased? They're the least subjective, the most biased people in the whole country

because they refuse to ask Mike Rogers, a single tough question. They refused to ask him to denounce Benjamin Netanyahu, the butcher of Gaza, who's murdered 23,000 children. They've refused to ask him about his own staffers that were justifying neo-Nazis. So obviously, they don't care about anti-Semitism. All they do is hide behind Jewish Americans. Sixty three percent of Jewish Americans are against the current government of Israel. They agree with Abdul al-Sai, not Mike Rogers. I hear you. So isn't it true that the press is purposely trying to smear Abdul, all of them collectively. I would say, And that they haven't loved...

Hang on, please. Let me answer you. Let me answer you. Let me answer you. Let me answer you. Which is, I think the proof is in the pudding, as we say, on this side of the pond. Because Polly Market, who've actually been more accurate in the lot of polls in the last couple of years, have El-Said at 65% predicted to win. Rogers at 35%.

And I do think that Glenn was onto something, which is that probably most people in Michigan care a lot more about the core issues. affecting their lives, then they do a lot of this stuff. And they also, I suspect, may react to an over-demonization of somebody who they see on TV every day and don't think is that person. Same way that Trump, when the left kept calling him a Nazi, it just backfired because they were like, well, he's not Hitler. So why do you keep telling me he's a Nazi? Same with Zoran when they were calling him like Osama bin Laden

and people were looking at this smiling, nice guy. And it didn't work with Trump because they didn't see him as Hitler. They didn't work with Zorran. And I don't think you can turn. I completely agree. I do think that's a really interesting point. I think the over-demonization of a lot of these political figures, it just backfires. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if Al-Sai-Wsides wins. And if he does, it will be because they tried to throw the wrong kitchen sink at him.

Pick him off on his policies, but don't try and make him out to be something to the isn't. You're agreeing with me, right, that the media is over-demonizing him. And they are working collectively. and they do appear to be biased in favor of Mike Rogers. I would agree with you about this. But always against Abdul-Aid. Well, let me answer you. I do think that Al-Sai-I did.

I do think Al-Sai has been, well, let me try and answer you. If I may answer, which is, I think, El-Said has been subjected to a more venomous interrogation about Hassan PICA than Mike Rogers has about his unequivocal endorsement of everything this current Israeli government is doing, which in many people's eyes, a lot of it is. disgraceful and we see more and more of that every day. So I do think there's absolutely a clear gap between the way that Rogers is being

dealt with about his blind allegiance to Israel and this government in particular and the way that I think El-Sai has been treated in relation to Hassan Paiqa. Anyway, I want to move on... Hang on, hang on right. Really quick. Because El-Sai... Very quickly, but I want to move on to something else, but quickly. He is saying he's for EV mandates.

He is saying that he wants to have cashless bail. These are things that he's saying. These are his policies. When a terrorist attack happened in Michigan to attack 140 kids at a Jewish synagogue, he said, hurt people, hurt people. He didn't condemn it. This is Al-Sayed.

This isn't any surrogate. He did condemn it. And he also said that he definitely condemned it. Then he's going to raise taxes on every single Michigandor, middle working class. Right, so I say pick him off on that stuff. He was his Medicare for.

So I say, I would say, forget about Hassan Piker and pick him off on the stuff you're talking about. If he is going to question. Anyway, look, I want to just switch. And by the way, Mike Rogers wants to make sure we can't negotiate drug prices. Okay, yeah. He's taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from Big Pharma. Everybody join me.

Defend Abdul. Let's go. Unofficial surrogates assemble the Avengers for, because no one else in media is going to do it. Media is disgustingly biased. You made your point. They hate all Muslim Americans. They love Israel. That's for sure.

You made your point. But I do want to ask the panel. Because he's for America. Okay. You made your point. I want to ask the panel about an interview we did yesterday, which I did with Milo Ionopolis, which has gone very viral, and you've probably seen the clips.

But if you haven't, I want to play one clip in particular, which had millions of views on social media. Where he said this, there you are aggressively promoting ICE being very aggressive and demanding that millions of people be deported. People say, Milo, you've been hoisted by your own partard. And I don't have a word to say. You got me.

I'm very... Look... I mean, they're doing what you told them to do. Deport millions of people. Well, not really. It just happened to include you. They're not doing it lawfully. And I think...

But you did say about Somalis, they should be deported indiscriminately as a group. Deporting them all. Obviously exaggerating there. I think another tweet, I said something like, you know, we shouldn't let the 97% of Somalis, you know, create a bad reputation for the law-abiding 3%. I tell all kinds of mean-spirited exaggerated jokes.

Right, but the point is that ISIS is supposed to be deporting criminals. They're supposed to be prioritising people who come in illegally, who sell people, who murder, who rape, who sell drugs, and they're not doing that. I get it. The problem you have, I think, in these tweets and public statements is that you weren't singling out Somali criminals, for example, or just criminals. you wanted Somalis as a group, all deported. You said that. You said that.

God deny saying it. Of course not. So what was interesting to me, and let me start with you, Glenn, on this, is that he talked initially about how awful his experience was at being arrested by ICE and how he'd been mistreated and so on and so on, and then claimed it was unlawful because he has a green card. I don't know the truth about all that. We'll have to find out.

But a lot of people pointed out, well, he showed an absolute zero empathy for anybody else who was being rounded up by. In fact, he wanted millions more to be rounded up. He wanted whole populace, like all the Somalians, to be rounded up and deported criminal or otherwise. And as social media has rightly, I think, peaked up, he just exposed himself as a massive hypocrite. You know, he cared about the way ICE treated detainees when he became one. and he changed his view of mass deportation the moment it rounded him up, along with all the other people he wanted kicked out.

What did you make of this? Yeah, I mean, he has tweets where he not only talked about how he finds mass deportation sexually arousing, but even he had said that you should give absolute immunity to ICE, so meaning they can do any abuse and not be held accountable, and then started going on your show and literally whining and crying about the abuse that he suffered.

And I, you know, there are cases where, people are very indifferent to the suffering of others. And then suddenly when they encounter it, they have a real transformation, like a lot of conservatives who are very tough in law and order, lock them up for 30 years, and going to prison. They get out and they become advocates for prison reform and justice reform. And there's a lot of deep transformation there that I can find commendable. But in this case, you know, this is just the worst human trait being exhibited.

And let's face it, Milo is one of the most despicable people in all politics. I think most people would agree with that, where you basically are somebody who is incapable of empathy for the. suffering other people and only care about injustice when it affects you personally. This isn't some deep transformation. This is just somebody hoisted on their own partard. And it makes me, it makes it very difficult to feel sorry from. The one point of the story that I think is worth noting, however, is that there is almost

no doubt that the reason he was deported was because Laura Lumer didn't like him. And he had criticized Laura Lumer. And this is a woman who has probably more influence in the Trump administration than any outside person has ever had within the Oval Office because of Trump's infatuation. with her. And this goes back to our other segment. Laura Lumer is somebody infinitely more powerful and relevant than Hassan Piker and who spews the most insane amounts of racism and bigotry on a daily basis that 95% of Americans would find absolutely revolting. Why aren't Republicans and Trump held accountable for her, given how much power they've given her? And I think,

you know, you can cheer what happens to Ivo. Yeah, very relevant question. Chink, I mean, you know, notwithstanding he may be the worst person to be passing on this information, but was there stuff that Milo Yonopolis came out with about the way he was treated, about the way he was rounded up, about the fact that he maintains it wasn't a visa renewal issue,

he has a green card because he married, it's a lie. Okay, I'm just saying, okay, well, let me start with you then, Julian. That is a lie, that is a lie. So he doesn't have a green card. Is that right? No, he was there. It was in the U.S. illegally.

that is for sure. But is he married? Glad to 100% right. But my understanding is he remains married to an American citizen, right? They are almost complete with their divorce, which began in January of 2025. They were married in 2017.

He, I guess, denounced homosexuality sometime around 2021. And in the divorce court proceedings, he's very transparent about the fact that his ex will not help participate in getting him a new green card. And you get one, I guess, every two years. He didn't have a 10-year green card.

So he was lying his face off to you about that. Okay. Honestly, I could... Just quickly, Mahmoud Khalil is also married to an American citizen and has a green card. So it's not a guarantee you have to renew it. In that case, they revoked it from him. But it doesn't...

It's not an impediment against being declared illegal and being deported if you don't maintain the requirements. Right. And I made it clear in the interview. When he came out with all that, I don't know. I said, I can't challenge you about this because I know. I said, all I will say, Milo, is that whatever you say now in this interview, it can be verified, right? It will be verified. It will be leaked.

We will find out exactly what he was saying on what was true and what wasn't. He said his green car got cancelled. We don't know. But Gillian, in relation to what Glenn said there, where you can hate Milo and everything he stands for, are you concerned that it looks like the trigger for this was just that Laura Luma, who seems to wield this extraordinary influence? over Donald Trump, that it was because she didn't like him, because he used to work for him, they fell out or whatever.

And that it's a personal animus has led to this guy being thrown out of the country. I would argue that he was here illegally and they deported him, regardless of his skin color, regardless of what country he is here from. This is a guy that has justified having sex with 13-year-old boys. I'm thrilled to see him leave the country, period. I don't care. He's here legally. I'm glad he's gone. Cheing, did you have any empathy with anything he said?

So I can't stand Milo, and we've attacked each other many, many times before. And on top of that, he represents Kanye West. And I'm probably the biggest critic of Kanye West in the country. I sussed out that he was a moronic anti-Semite from day one. I couldn't stand people calling him a genius. So I got no love for Milo at all, not one percent. There's two interesting things that come out of this. One is Glenn's right.

Like, it's interesting to see him feeling like, oh my God, is this how what people go through when they get detained by ICE? Yeah, yeah, that's what they go through. And it's incredible that people don't have no empathy until they go through it themselves. And I wish that they would develop some empathy for other people and other situations.

Okay, but the most important part is what you and Glenn are focusing on, peers, which is he was, He was in the country illegally for years and years and years and years and nobody did anything about it until he criticized Israel and Laura Lumer pointed it out. And it's interesting that Mahmoud Halil is on the left and Milo is on the right, but the one common thing that you get for getting kicked out of the country is criticizing Israel. And now the media is totally mask off, peers, because they all have done two billion stories about Hassan.

And you're right to point out, are you kidding me? Laura Lumer can not only get anyone in the White House fired, but she can have anyone removed from the country, and you're not going to ask about her unbelievably racist and bigoted things. She said against black people, Muslims. By the way, also other Jews who don't agree with her. Well, to be fair, to be fair, Cheng, I have harangued her many times about her comments to the extent that... No, but you should harangue republic.

Every Republicans, every Republican, including Rana, should have to answer for that. I'm about to ask, if every Democrat. I was about to say, well, hang on, Ron, I was about you. I was about to say the reason Laura Luma is not on this show today in the way that we asked her to be. It's because she wanted me to apologize to her for the critical remarks I've made about her previous comments. And I chose, as I did with Megan Markle. She's come after me, too, actually. I don't know a ton about her.

I chose not to take the apology route. Ronald, final word to you on this. Well, final word to you, Ron, I don't know. Laura, I don't know. I've not much. She's attacked me a ton. So, I mean, she attacks everybody. And I'm a Mormon suburban woman.

So, I mean, I don't know what connections those make. I don't think she. Do you denounce her? Do you denounce Trump for associating herself with her and letting her control the white house? I'm not even going to give her credit for that. Because I think you guys are giving her way too much credit because I do know Susie Wiles. And Susie Wiles is very powerful and has a lot of control in the Trump White House. and I think you guys are way overblowing lower Lumer's influence.

And I don't believe it that she's the reason he's deported. I just don't believe that. Okay. He overstayed his visa. He was sent a notice. But I'll tell you what, we've run out of time. What I would say, what I would say, Runa is, I think it's very telling about her influence that so few Republicans go public in criticizing

some of the outrageous things she says, including, including, including, by the way, this week where she said some disgusting things about black female politicians. And I'd be waiting for Republicans to berate her for this. But they don't. They don't. I don't look at her stuff. I don't. I don't look at her stuff.

The truth is, Republicans are well. She called the Democratic Senate nominee in Florida, Andy Nixon. She said she's a Shakita. She's a black bitch who speaks abonics. I mean, it's like the bearer. That's like a no-brainer. It may be a no-brainer, but the truth about her influence. is Republicans don't like,

don't like, Republicans don't like holding to the same account they hold Hassan Pika. You just turned me to it. I do. I do. I do with Nick Fuentes. I've done with the Republicans in those repulsive chain. Well, hang on, unlike Hassan Pika. And I condemn those statements.

Let me finish. Unlike Hassan Pika, she has the ear of the president and she wields that influence of power in quite an alarming manner. And that's, I think it's the fact that no one goes after her from the Republican side about stuff she said,

only this week is the telling revelation about how far her influence actually does extend. Anyway, we're going to leave it there. The difference is very lively. Abdul brought in Hassan. I've got to leave it. Mike's not bringing in Laura. She is a lot more powerful.

She's a lot more powerful and influential. She's a lot more powerful than Hassan Piker. I can tell you that. Anyway, we've got to leave it there. And if Laura Lee wants to come on, there'll be no apology. She represents Israel. That's why she has that power.

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Register today at pmcf walk.ca.ca. Well, former NBA star Enos Cantor Freedom made global headlines recently after being ejected from a women's match over an altercation with a player. Well, Kanda Freedom sat courtside wearing a t-shirt and blazing with the words, woman, noun, adult, human, female, sparking an argument with Chicago skies and Natasha Cloud. Well, the women's NBA is, of course, in broad and an ongoing saga over its transgender policy. Kander Freedom says he is available for the women's draft next season and joins me now on Uncensored. Well, welcome Minus to Uncensored.

Sensen. Thank you for having me, brother. How are you? So I've got to say, I laughed out loud at the whole spectacle of you being harangued by female basketball stars as you simply wore a shirt, which said what a woman is. And to me, it epitomized the whole farce around this debate, around transgender women competing in women's sport. What really motivated you to stick your head over, What is a, as you know, a very toxic parapet? So a few months ago, it was around May, actually. I actually love the game. I watched a lot of W&B games at home.

Right after the game, I was on my social media, and one of the players, her name is Gabby Williams, right? She came out and she gave an interview. She said, I have no problem with transathlete playing in my team or against my team. And when I watched that, I was like, that's very interesting. And then going forward, all these players and coaches and the league itself was coming out and saying, we have no problem with, you know, biological male playing in our league. I was like, you know what?

Enough is enough. If you guys have no problem with it, well, here I am. I am the claim for the draft. And before I did that, I actually read that collective bargaining. So Article 13, Section 1A says, if you identify, as a woman, you're allowed to play. So there's no rule against it. So I simply said, well, I'm declaring for the draft

and now the whole world is mad at me for some reason. Well, the interesting thing, of course, is that they're not respecting you and your right to identify as a woman, even though they demand that anybody else that does it has to be respected. And it's becoming an increasing problem. You know, I've told people when we have this debate

that I think it was in 2024, the United Nations worked out but nearly a thousand girls and women at all levels of sport had been deprived of medals by transgender athletes. That's not a small number. That's not a handful of cases. That is something that's becoming a massive problem. And the reason they're being deprived of medals

is because men, obviously, biological males, have a superior biology, physiology. That's why we separate men and women in the Olympics, in the World Cup, whatever it may be. To me, as somebody who, you know, is pretty liberal-minded generally, I cannot get my head around this debate or why it's even a debate. And I don't understand in particular why women, like Meghan Rapino, for example, who attacked you as an absolute grifter for supposedly protecting women.

When it seems to me you're protecting women's rights to fairness, equality and safety a lot better than Megan Rapino is doing it. Pierce, I'm the tallest woman right activist in the world right now, probably. But to all these women out there, like, to all these people out there, this is not a right or left issue. Like, this is a little bit of common sense. I know that they think that I, if this side or that side, it's really not.

This is literally a common sense issue. And I'm following their rules. There is no rule against it. If they, Pierce, I promise you, I'm not a difficult person to deal with. I'm not a troublemaker. I'm a peacemaker. If tomorrow the WMBA comes out and say,

okay, everyone, we are adding the word biological next to the word woman in our collective bargaining, I will walk through the sunset and they will never hear from me ever again, right? But if they don't want to do that, then I am eligible to play because I can simply go out there and identify as a woman and compete in their league. And the thing is, all these coaches, all these players, and everyone is cheering for it.

And now finally, a man, right, wants to identify as a woman, and he's getting hate on? I mean, who are they to judge who this journey is real or not? You know, I want to go out there, and then I want to play basketball. If you bring any other rule that against it, I will follow it immediately. Well, also, I'm cynical, frankly, about some of these transgender athletes. There have been sprinters in America at pretty high level. There have been swimmers like Leah Thomas and others,

and they've been pretty unsuccessful competing against their own sex and then they switch and compete against women and suddenly they're on the national stage, they're making loads of money, they're getting lots of media coverage. And, you know, I talked to Martine and Ervattelover about this a lot and she's very sensible about this. And she said, you know, if you're like the number 500 male tennis player in America

and you're making, you know, $100,000 a year or something, whatever it may be, then the temperament of... And we've seen the temptation with cheating, with doping and so on. But the temptation to just put your hand up and say in women's basketball, well, there's nothing to stop it as you've exposed and just say, look, I'm identifying as a woman and have two or three years of huge amounts of money and sponsors and all the stuff that comes with you being the biggest sensation in the game. Because somebody like you, if you've competed against women at basketball, you would destroy them, right? Obviously, we all know this. And that's the bit that really gets me. The idea that this won't inevitably lead to somebody doing that

just to make money and be famous is for the birds. This is why they did it when they cheated with doping. Right. Pierce, I have already spoken with three European players, three G League players and two former NBA players. And they have all said that if they don't change rules, we are ready to put our name in a WMBA draft in 2027. I mean, get this.

So a G league player, right, makes around $45,000 a year. At the top, WMBA player makes around $1.4 million. So all he has to do, right, all he has to do is just simply identify himself as a woman, and he will be making $1.4 million instead of $45,000. So the WMBA have no idea that what they are actually, what kind of fire that they're playing with. So I'm just very confused that I just don't want people to think that this is a right or left wing issue.

When I have a conversation with Sophie Conahanham, right? She said the same thing. This is not a righter of left-wing issue because they're calling her like a mug of Barbie or whatever. She said, this is literally a common sense. They're trying to put me, her or anyone out there in a box. So the one side can hate us. But no, she is or whoever out there that joined this moment, I guess, that has been cheer for over 73% of America.

You know, all these parents out there. So I'm just confused that I just hope that we can settle this down. Yeah, I mean, I just find it extraordinary the way that you've been exposed to so much hatred. When it's obvious the point you're making, you're exposing a massive flaw in the way that women's basketball is set up in the rules and you're showing them what the problem is. And rather than actually sit down with you and say, you know what, you've got a very good point. here, let's work it out. They'd rather make you public enemy number one. And what really annoys me is people like Sophie Cunning, we've been incredibly brave here by stating the bleeding obvious that they've been attacked and vilified and so on. Whereas people like Natasha Cloud,

you know, for taking you on and attacking you and making a big sort of statement by doing so, she gets applauded even though what you're actually doing is trying to protect the integrity of women's sport. I really want to make it very clear. I am not anti-trans. I am not anti-LGPQ2-orienting. I'm just pro-woman, right? And like, people have no idea.

If they're okay with us coming to their league and actually destroy the elite, like, we're going to take their money away. We're going to take their respect away. We're going to take their endorsement deals away. We're going to take their playing time away. Look, at that point, Pierce, why do we have two leagues? Why do we have men and women?

Let's just merge two leagues. because unfortunately, the WMBA loses around $50 million a year. So let's just merger two leagues, right? Let's just have one league and we can all compete together. So they have no idea what they are cheering for. But unfortunately, it's just the cancel culture peers. You know, many players, I have actually spoken with many NBA players. I'm like, guys, like, why don't you guys go out there and like speak about this issue?

They said, no, no, no, no. As soon as we touch this issue, we're going to lose endorsement deals. We might not even get another contract. This is a very dangerous topic. So many players in NBA and WNBA as well think is the way that we think, but unfortunately, they're never going to come out and say anything because of the cancel culture. I mean, just in pure cold, hard reality, if you were to play in the WMBA, in an average game, how many points do you think you'd score?

Like, so Will Chamberlain have this record, I'm sure you know about it. 100 points a game. I promise that that is my goal to beat that record. Like, there won't be any record standing. I will literally destroy it. I mean, actually, it will help the WMBA because think about all the ticket sales and endorsement of theirs that they could get.

And then once I answer, right, all the other players, European players, GER League players are going to start putting their name on a draft and the whole league is going to be elevated immediately. So I'm not trying to hurt their league. I'm actually trying to help their league. if they're okay with it. They could, Kathy Engelbert, the commissioner,

can end all these madness tomorrow by adding one word, the biological, and like I said again, I can just walk through the sunset and they will never hear from me ever again. I'm just, I'm very confused. I think, you know, 15, 20 years from now, the historians is going to look back in our time and laugh.

Oh, they'll think, honestly, honestly, and they'll think we lost our minds. History will look back and say, wait a minute, there was a period of time when they let biological men compete in women's sport and beat them and getting boxing rings and beat them up and win medals that should have gone to women and take Olympic places.

I mean, the case of Laurel Hubbard, the New Zealand weightlifter, who was a very mediocre competitor as a biological male in the men's category. And then at the age of 40s, took a woman's place on the New Zealand weightlifting team, twice the age of pretty much any other contestant in the Olympic Games as a woman, and won gold medal.

I mean, it's completely bloody ridiculous. And yet, women are terrified for the reasons you articulated. I mean, men are as well, a lot of them, and I salute your courage in doing it. I do with Sophie Cunningham, I do with Riley Gaines and others. It needs moral courage to stand up and say, this is bullshit. And actually those who defend it

and shame those who question it, they're the ones who are eroding women's rights. And so they're the anti-women people in this debate. And sadly, many are women themselves. And I'm like, what's the matter with you? I mean, seriously, what is the matter with you? If you made the Olympics gender neutral, how many women, biological females, would win a medal?

And when the answer is one or two, in the entire Olympic Games, that is the inevitable consequence of this madness. If you allowed sport to be gender neutral, actual women would stop winning anything. Why is that a good thing? Yeah. You know, I actually really would like to hear their side as well.

I mean, because I go out there, I go on a show and talk about it. I know, I mean, I watch your show a lot, and you do a lot of debates. I really would like to sit down with, like, a WMBA player or the commissioner, which I don't think she's going to. to take to offer. I really would like to sit down and hear their side of the story.

Yeah. You know, but I'm really curious. I'm okay with sitting down with a former WMBA player or whoever out there wants to debate me or have a conversation with me. I'm not saying that I'm the most educated when it comes to this topic, but I really would like to hear their side of the story, right? I don't see. You don't need to be that well educated. You're a man and you know the physical advantage you have over women. It's literally a sense. simple as that. People can try and bring semantics into it and they can try and use the, well, you're transphobic if you think that. You've made it clear. You're not remotely transphobic, nor am I. I want trans people to have the same rights to fairness, equality,

and safety that you and I enjoy, right? And I want them to play sport. I just don't want them wrecking the integrity of women's sport. This should not be difficult. And it is moral cowardice by people like Megan Rapino and Natasha Cloud and all these others who virtue signal their way to the headlines by actually. supporting something which attacks the integrity of their own sport. I find it incredible. And I salute your courage in doing it. I know why you're doing it.

I don't think it's a gimmick. I see people like Dave Portnoy saying, you're an absolute clown for making the issue about him. But you're not actually making it about you. What you're saying is, look, this is how mad this is. I could literally play in the WMBA. And if I did, I'd be immediately the greatest player in the history of a WMBA.

I'd win all the records, all the competitions. I'd get all the money, all the endorsements, all the sponsorship, and it would obviously be as fair as Lance Armstrong and his team of cheating cyclists winning all the cycling trophies by pumping themselves with illegal drugs. It's the same thing to me. It gives you an unfair advantage, and therefore it shouldn't be allowed. Why we're debating it even?

It's nuts to me. Because you know what, I'm a nice guy. I really want to like to hear their side of the story. Like, Megan Rapino or whoever out there, right, sure, like let me come. I will go on your show and I would love to see Don. I really want to hear the herself of the story and what she thinks of what her mindset is. Because there are millions of kids out there, right, idolizing many athletes like Caitlin Clark, Sophie Conham, or whoever, whatever, sport is. Like, it doesn't matter how much they work, whatever they eat, however they sleep.

If they think that at one point in my life, I'm going to compete against the man, they will be crushed. And think about this to all these parents out there, would you be okay with your daughter taking a shower in the same room as with me? Of course. Or go to bathroom or go to locker rooms in the same locker room as me. Like, I have a 14 year old daughter. It would horrify me. Not because I don't trust you or dislike you. It's just not right. It's why we have separate changes. Oh, my Lord.

This should not be difficult. I think America needs to just check itself before it's too late. Like, this is just, I want to make this vertical. This is not a right or left issue. This is just a common sense. And we have to be in the right side of the history. What reaction have you had, and it's from people in the street? The what?

What reaction have you had from people in the street when you walk around? So, so depends on which state. I guess, I mean, with Chicago, I was getting a lot of death threats. I mean, it's so interesting. Really? Even with my social media, I mean, we posted all the videos. Even with my social media, I get death threats like, pretty much like once every hour. And they said, oh, I hate women. I am misogynist. I'm anti-trans. I'm anti-LGBQ. Shame of my. I'm like, listen, obviously, I don't really respond any of it. But, The thing is, peers, like, this is God's work. And whatever, the other than death, there's nothing can stop me. And nothing will stop me because I know if I ever, I don't have a kid, but if I had a kid, I wouldn't want my kids to be in the same locker room, same shower, same bathroom with a biological male.

I would want my daughter to play a play against a male athlete at one point of her career. So for that reason, other than that, there's nothing going to stop. You know, we had a situation in the UK in Scotland where the Scottish First Minister, so the top politician in Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, endorsed a policy where trans people identifying as a trans woman could be transferred from a male prison into a female prison. And so a bunch, you know, at least one male rapist, in other cases, but one notorious male rapist just suddenly said, well, I'm now a woman and got put into a woman's prison. where literally he was surrounded by new potential victims. And this was supposedly a progressive female leader of a country. Now, unsurprisingly, she lost her job not long after that for a number of reasons, but this was one of them.

And it was just, I felt, I mean, I knew her quite well. I was like, how can a woman promoting women's rights like you do allow that to happen? To put a male rapist who puts his hand up and says, I'm now a woman. It's like putting a hen. a fox into a hen-coop. Literally the same thing.

And yet a lot of women were like, no, no, this is progressive. Really? You think that's why the suffragettes fought for women's rights so you could put male rapists into women's prisons so they're going to attack other women?

I mean, it's just completely crackers. Well, Ennis, look, thank you for coming on, unsensored. Of course. I saw what you were getting at. I knew immediately you weren't making a mockery of this. You were just saying, this is a problem, and it has to be. sorted and you've all got your head in the sand and you're pretending it's not a problem.

And I salute you for exposing it. And I think sometimes it takes moral courage. And as you say, you're getting death threats every hour, which is disgusting. But that follows what happens with these kind of debates. People on the left, they think they're, it's not even a left-right thing, as you say, but people have a kind of woke mentality. They think it's absolutely fine to lecture you about being misogynist while simultaneously threatening to kill you, right? And it's utter hypocrisy. The last thing, I really want to make it clear to all, to every Americans or everyone out there. I'm not here to mock make fun of any personal decision, any group, or anyone out there.

You know, I'm literally just going out there and sharing my views and people are calling it anti-woman. You know what? It's a free speech that can say whatever they want to say, but Megan Rapino or whoever out there, please come. Let's debate. Let's have a conversation. peers right there. I'm not shy of, you know, anything. I would love to just sit down and have a conversation.

And maybe, you know what? Maybe you'll educate me. Maybe there's something that I don't see that I'm not, that maybe you can educate me and we can have a conversation. My mindset will change. So I'm a peacemaker. I don't want to have any trouble with anyone. I know they're villainizing me

and now I'm like the number one public enemy, but I really would like to sit down and have a conversation with whoever's out there. Well, if Ms. Rapino is watching, We've tried to interview her many times. She has never agreed to be interviewed by me. Here's the challenge, Megan. Megan gives it the big one on social media.

Fearless, Megan. Well, if you're that fearless, come on uncensored. Me, you and Ennis, we have a little chat about this whole issue. And we are prepared to be educated and prepared to have our minds change if you are able to do that. So Megan Rapino, that is the challenge. Stop ducking us.

Come and have the debate. And let's hear why you think it's fine. and we will argue our case and the viewers can determine who they think has won the argument. Ennis, thank you very much indeed for coming on the session. Thank you, brother.

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