Piers Morgan Uncensored - “YOU’RE The Evil Monster!” Mohammad Marandi vs Alan Dershowitz on Iran | Plus Netanyahu Spokesman

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Vice President JD Vance spent 21 gruelling hours negotiating with Iranian officials in a high-stakes attempt to end the ongoing Iran War. The result? A Memorandum of Understanding so vague that both sides walked away claiming victory, yet agreeing to nothing. As the world watches, both nations remain locked in a stalemate with rigid "bright red lines." The U.S. demands a guarantee against nuclear weapons and a permanently open Hormuz Strait, while Iran is calling for total sanctions relief, war reparations, and continued control over its nuclear assets. Joining Piers Morgan to navigate this diplomatic minefield is Doron Spielman, the newly appointed international spokesman for Benjamin Netanyahu as well as Professor Mohammed Marandi and lawyer Alan Dershowitz. Uncensored tackles the tough questions: Can this administration steer us away from a war that is draining U.S. munitions, inflating global gas prices, and shattering crucial alliances? Is peace even possible, or are we witnessing the inevitable escalation of a conflict that no one can control? 00:00 Introduction 01:30 Doron Spielman interview begins 02:17 Netanyahu’s visit to the U.S. and calls for his arrest 04:05 American-Israeli war aims in Iran and victory against the ‘evil’ regime 10:27 Where and when does victory come? 13:03 Piers asks Doron about the potential to get Benjamin Netanyahu on Uncensored 13:43 Professor Marandi and Alan Dershowitz join Piers to debate the state of the Iran war 19:04 Are the chances of Iran developing a nuclear weapon exactly the same as before the war? 22:05 Marandi slams Dershowitz as ‘Epstein’s buddy’ 24:46 Professor Marandi defends the Iranian regime against the Israeli regime 28:06 Israel’s declining popularity around the world 31:10 Marandi to Dershowitz: ‘We are in 1942 and you are the Nazi regime!’ 41:41 Alan Dershowitz’s rebuttal to Professor Marandi 44:47 Do all Palestinians in Gaza have equal rights as the Israelis? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm sitting opposite Joseph Goebbels right now. Will you at least admit that Iran murdered in cold blood as many as 50,000 innocent protesters? We are in 1942. You are the Nazi regime. Epstein's lawyer, Trump's lawyer, is afraid of me a layman talking. I'm not afraid of you. You can kill Epstein. You can kill whoever you like. But we're not afraid. You can bomb my house. I am prepared to die for the Palestinian people. I would even represent you if anybody tried to prevent you.

I don't need you. You're not a good lawyer. Vice President J.D. Vance spent 21 hours to go sitting with the Iranians in the first failed attempt at ending the Iran war. The MOU, which he eventually got signed, was successful only because it was vague enough for both sides to think that they got everything by green to nothing. Well, both sides have bright red lines. The U.S. wants a guarantee that Iran will never. have a nuclear weapon, plus all of its enriched uranium. It also wants to Homoose Street to be permanently open. Iran wants all sanctions lifted, proxy militias taken off the table,

reparations for war damage and for its control of Hamos to be ratified. Oh, it wants to keep the enriched uranium too. In a moment, we'll be holding our own unscensored negotiation. We're representatives from both sides. It will not last 21 hours, but we begin with the newly appointed international spokesman for the embattled Israeli Prime Minister. Doren Spilman is familiar to many of our unscensive viewers. He now has the task of speaking for a man who is widely blamed for an unpopular war,

which has cost billions and killed thousands while depleting US munitions, inflating gas prices, shattering alliances, and emboldening the regime sought to remove. Well, Doran Spielman, first of all, congratulations on your new position. Thank you for the kind introduction, Pierce. Well, it was a blunt introduction, and it's based on a cold, on a cold, hard reality, really. I mean, I never thought I'd wake up to see a poll that shows

that nearly 50% of Americans want the Israeli Prime Minister arrested and charged with war crimes. It's pretty extraordinary that things have come to that. What is your reaction to that? I can't comment on the poll. I haven't seen the poll. We know that polls can say

anything. It depends who you're polling and what people think. But I can tell you about the Prime Minister is that this is a man who together, with President Trump yesterday, left the White House, two of the most important leaders in the entire world, coordinated. This is the eighth trip that the Prime Minister and the President, the eighth meeting that they've made together since President Trump was reelected. He has not met with any other leader in the entire world, as much as he's met with Prime Minister Netanyahu and our team. They left the meeting and I asked the Prime Minister, I said, how was it? He said,

this was one of the best meetings I've ever had with Donald Trump in the 40 years, with President Trump in the 40 years since I've known him. And that just shows you we're looking at two governments, Pierce, who are so fully coordinated in battling evil. I mean, let's take a step back right now. There's an evil in the world that's called Iran. I think it's objectively evil. They just hung two of their protesters in the streets.

They've killed over 50,000. They've shot ballistic missiles, and they're firing all over the Middle East. And you have two leaders who are standing up alone with nobody else's help saying, we're not going to allow this evil to metastasize. Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu and the United States led by President Trump. And this will go down in history, as I've said to you before, Pearson, I believe this, as the equivalent of having Churchill and Roosevelt fought against Hitler, not in 1942 or 41, but in 1938 before he took the Nazi regime, it took over the Middle East.

It took over Europe. It will go down in history as two men of incredible bravery and courage. And that's how we're going to see it then. And I think for many people, they can see that today. If you just look at the facts, they're standing alone against evil, and they are going to win by ensuring that Iran never has a nuclear weapon. Right, but the problem is you're not winning. We were told this would take two to three weeks.

Then it would take five to six weeks. We're nearly five months into this. All of the war aims and predictions that Prime Minister Netanyahu made to Donald Trump in the White House situation room several weeks before this war started, have turned out not to materialize. So the IRGC remain in control. The people haven't risen up. The Ayatollah's been replaced by his son,

who's even more hardline. The Strait of Hormuz has become as powerful to the Iranian regime as a nuclear weapon. They're firing off missiles, as you said, to their neighboring Gulf states, but they're doing it retaliation for being attacked themselves. And the upshot of all this is that it's very easy to argue that this evil Iranian regime,

and I don't contest your categorization of it, that they are more emboldened now than they were before the war started. How the hell is that any kind of victory? And how does this end? Pierce, if I was to tell you that a nuclear attack was prevented, would that be considered a success? Because had Israel and the United States not stepped up to the plate in June, and you and I spoke during that war and right after that war,

had we not, and it was similar arguments, why is it taking so long, what's happening, had we not stepped up to the plate in, June 2025, then in December, January, February, 2006, that Iran would have been armed with a nuclear weapon. We wouldn't be talking about the Straits of Hormuz where Iran is threatening the world with a ballistic missile. Iran would be threatening today with a nuclear weapon.

The price of gas isn't going to be $88 a barrel or $120 a barrel. It'll be thousands of dollars a barrel, not to mention that they could shoot and say they will destroy Israel, they're planning on destroying the United States. They're burning pictures of President Trump in the streets, calling for his death. They're sending people into America. Threats are being taken care of that they are trying to kill the President of the United States. They would have moved forward and dropped an atomic weapon somewhere in the world to have prevented that. I can't think of a greater military success, Pierce, possibly in the 21st century. And we will look back and we'll understand it. There's one problem. You know what, to take care of the Iranian regime,

just if I just made just to take care of this regime. There's one problem. Dora, let me just, hang on. Let me just rewind you. Let me rewind you. Let me rewind you. Because you made a statement there. But here's the confusion for the rest of us watching on.

After the 12-day war a year ago, which was deemed a spectacular military success, the President of the United States declared as a fact that Iran's nuclear program and aspirations had been put back decades. decades, and yet you now want me to believe that within eight months, the threat of them developing a nuclear weapon and using it imminently was right back again. So who's lying here? Who's telling the truth? Was Trump lying when he said that you put back the Israelis and Americans, the Iranian nuclear aspiration by decades last June? Were you lying then or are you lying now? I'm not a spokesman for the president, but I will say this. I think that President Trump

has very good instincts. The Prime Minister, Prime Minister Netanyahu, and President Trump have agreed on the outcome, which is the fact that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon whatsoever or the ability to manufacture a nuclear weapon. And therefore, they're united on the goal. How the president decides to move forward and getting that done is up to him. But in answer to your question, President Trump and the state of Israel, led by Israel in June with Operation Midnight Hammer, which is the United States name, it was Israel for 11 days, the U.S. coming in on the 12th day, causing irreparable damage, stopping Iran from having a nuclear weapon today, set back that regime massively. However, what did Iran do as soon as the fighting stopped?

We both know what they did. They didn't all of a sudden turn to the international community and say, you know what, we're going to turn over a new leaf, we're going to open businesses, we're going to take Trump's economic plan. Immediately they eliminated protesters. 50,000 people were killed, and they went right back to developing their nuclear program. And I think at that point, President Trump sat back and said, wait a second, we just hammered them, midnight hammer. Israel hammered them.

And the first thing they do is they go back to trying to produce a nuclear weapon. If that's what their intention is, then we have to try to finish the job. And then he said very clearly, we could do it the easy way with negotiation. I think he's been incredibly patient. Or we could do it the hard way. And our perspective is, however the president decides to do it, and the prime minister has been very clear about this, go ahead and do it. as long as we both agree and we do, they will not have a nuclear weapon. Because if they have it, the United States isn't going to be able to just disconnect from Iran

and say, we'll be safe over here. No, they're building ballistic missiles to reach east coast. They already have ballistic missiles that can reach England, not to mention Israel. We cannot allow an arsonist and give him a torch and say, you know what, here's a torch. Try not to light anything on fire. You wouldn't do that with your own family, and we can't do it with the world. The problem is that nothing that you've been trying has worked. And that's self-evident because we're now five months into this war. The regime's intact. The IRGC's in control.

The people aren't rising up. They're using the Strait of Hulmoose in any way they see fit. They're attacking their Gulf State neighbours with impunity. They've got plenty of ballistic missiles, clear, because they keep firing them. And yet I keep waking up and hearing, oh, their Navy's gone. Their air force is gone. Their missiles have gone and they're completely depleted. We're killing them.

Are you? I mean, really? It doesn't look like it to me. It looks like the Iranians are actually getting the upper hand here because they know the controlling Australia of Hormuz holds the global energy market over a barrel. And even they may not have understood just how big a deal that would be in reality. But it is a massive deal.

And what it does is put economic imperatives into play and political ones with the most. midterm elections coming in the United States, in November. You've got elections, obviously, in Israel. And the Iranians know if they just string things out until then, political imperatives will come into play. I just don't see where the victory comes. You know, I'm seeing no sign of the revolution that you aspire to have happen. The regime appears completely in control and in power.

The enriched Iranian remains buried away. You've no idea where it is. I just don't see where the victory is coming here unless you can say to me, well, here's how we're going to win and here's the time scale. Can you do that? You know, Pierce, I could respond to each and every single one of these points. We've done it before and explain why the regime has been set back. I could talk about the ballistic missiles.

I could talk about their command and control structure, which is already in the fourth tier. I could take this piece by piece. But you know what the biggest, and I want to respond. You know what this war brought out and what Iran's biggest tactical mistake was in addition to not accepting the peace deal and killing so many of their people, they played their hand. They played their hand now.

They now realized, like you said, they control the Straits or Hamuz, and they can bring the world to its knees because of the financial crisis. And they played this hand before they have a nuclear weapon. Can we imagine, Pierce, if a nuclear weapon,

which was three weeks away from Iran in June, and could be rebuilt again if this regime, if that enriched material is not removed, if they had a nuclear weapon. If they were smart, they never would have gone to the Straits of Homoos. They would have said we're going to accept everything, and they would have slowly built up their plan. Israel would have tried to take them out.

And then if they got a weapon, they would have held the entire world hostage. But by playing their hand, we understand who they are. And you know what? Here's we can say back and forth all day long. We haven't done everything. No, we have to work towards defeating this regime. The president with great wisdom has said, you know what? I really want to negotiate.

And by the way, Israel, I spoke with the Prime Minister about this directly. It's how he feels it in his heart. He said, if the president can get this done without us having to send our boys and girls, our airplanes, or whatever else of that region, we prefer it. If not, then we'll have to turn up the heat and we'll have to use whatever military options are necessary. But we want to stretch this as long as we can to hope, and I don't know if it's possible. I'm skeptical, but to hope that maybe someone in Iran will for once think about the Iranian people, and we can look towards a ray of sunlight.

But if not, we're going to have to use other options. And the president clearly has shown, as is Israel, that we have those options on the table. I've interviewed probably said that in Yahoo three times in my career, but we've tried every week since October the 7th to get him back on Uncensored, and he so far resisted all our approaches. You now are his official spokesman.

Could we get an interview with him? I'm willing to bring it up. I'm only one week in my position. I mean, I keep being told how fearless he is, so I don't know what would stop him. But maybe you could pass on the message that we have an open schedule whenever he would make time for us. We'd appreciate it. I will let him know, Pierce. Doran Spielman, I appreciate you coming on.

Thank you very much. Let's bring in our two national representatives for the uncensored attempt and brokering the terms of peace. Professor at Tehran University, Muhammad Miranda Miranda, Randy, and lawyer, scholar and author Alan Dershowitz. Well, welcome to both of you. We've not had you two debating on uncensored. I hope we can conduct it in a civilized manner. Muhammad Miranda, let me start with you. I've been having a lot of debates in the last few days

about the state of this war, and it seems to me that whatever people think of the Iranian regime, it is holding out against the might of the American and Israeli military pretty capably so far. We're nearly five months into this war. What is your overall assessment? where the war is. Well, contrary to what I heard in your little love

fest with the spokesman of the genocidal regime, the regime in Washington and the regime in Tel Aviv have both failed utterly in their war of aggression on Iran, both last year and this year. And of course, it was always based on a lie. And we know we know that they were lying. The International Atomic Energy Agency has never indicated that Iran at any point was seeking a nuclear weapon. U.S. intelligence since 2003, at least since then admits that Iran was never seeking a nuclear weapon.

Tulsi Gabbard just last year, under oath, said Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon. and Joe Kent, in his resignation letter at the beginning of the war, an appointee by Trump, head of anti-terrorism, he said that Iran was not seeking a nuclear weapon and that it was not a threat to the United States, contrary to what the madman was saying before this discussion. But we know that Joe Kent also said the reason for this war is the Zionist lobby and the Israeli regime. And yes, the United States has failed. They failed in the 40 days of war. They failed in the 12-day war.

They failed in the 40 days of battle. They failed in siege warfare against the Iranian people, and they failed in the recent conflict with aggression with the Iranians. And they will fail in future. And they are the United States under pressure from Zionists. They are pushing the global economy towards a cliff. And if this continues, we will have a global. economic depression.

Alan Dutchevitz, your response to that? We are in 1935 Germany. Versailles Treaty, Germany's starting to rearm. It's drafting people. It's violating the treaty. And England and France could have destroyed in a preventive war what eventually resulted in 100 million deaths from Nazi Germany, but they didn't. Why? Because if they had gone in in 1935, it would have been

messy. It wouldn't have happened in five days. It would have taken time. It would have used, it would have involved casualties. But in the end, 100 million lives would have been saved. And that's where we are today. Look, Iran is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. Forget about what he or anybody else says. Every sane, rational person has to assume that Iran would develop a nuclear weapon if it could. And as President Trump has said, would probably use it, maybe not from a bomb, but maybe by giving it to terrorist groups. And so what we have is a situation where the United States and Israel can help prevent a great, great catastrophe.

And as your previous guests from Israel said, they've already done that. They've set back the nuclear program. We don't know whether it's months or years, but it's not imminent anymore. And so it has succeeded to that extent. But it's messy, and it's very difficult. And it's not going to have a clear resolution, but it's better than the alternative, because the alternative would have been Iran developing a nuclear weapon and having the world behold into it because it has a nuclear weapon. We made a mistake in North Korea. We allowed them to develop nuclear weapons. The other countries that are nuclear weapons aren't going to use them. But Iran has a policy of being able to use every weapon it can to destroy the great Satan of the United States. and the small state in Israel.

And so I really think that this war, unsuccessful as it has been, to produce a final result, will go down in history is probably the most important war since World War II in the sense of at least setting back and preventing an even greater catastrophe from occurring. It's not perfect, and it will have all kinds of problems. and nobody should claim that the nuclear program has been completely obliterated or that has been a complete success. It's not a complete success. It's just a lot better than the alternative.

But is it a remote success, Alan, because last time I checked, the Iranian regime still has all its enriched uranium. They've given no indication that they're prepared to surrender any of that. And their chances, therefore, of developing the nuclear. weapon in the way that you fear seem to be exactly the same as they were before all this. And again, I'll repeat to what I said to Doran Spillman, which is we were assured at the end of a 12-day war by President Trump that that had put back Iran's nuclear aspirations in terms of developing a nuclear weapon by decades.

And yet eight months later, we have to launch a fully-fledged war against them because they're about to use nuclear weapons. These things can't all be true. No, it's true. That's absolutely accurate. but what it has done is it's set back the program considerably. For example, yes, they still have enriched uranium. By the way, why do they have it if they're not trying to develop nuclear weapons?

But they're buried. And both Israel and the United States have eyes, satellite eyes on it. And right now, it's not accessible to them. Right now, the centrifuges are in great difficulty. Small victories when it comes to prevent nuclear war are very, very important. And, you know, I think a lot of people make the mistake of assuming one side is going to win, one side is going to lose. No, we can have a calibrated successes. And what we're seeing here is a calibrated success in setting back the nuclear program, not 20 years, not six months, probably a couple of years.

The threat is not imminent. And there are many things that can happen. We don't know what the fate of Pickaxe Mountain is going to be. It too may be subject to attack because of its ability to produce perhaps nuclear weapons. This is an ongoing battle. It will not end in five weeks. It will not end in five years. The goal is to make sure that Iran never, ever, ever, under any circumstances, develops nuclear weapons.

And my opponent on the other side doesn't seem to have a problem with that. He doesn't think Iran ever wants to develop nuclear weapons. So why don't you come to the table, make a deal that will make it absolutely impossible, to do what you say Iran wants to do, and that is not develop nuclear weapon. We can have peace if you come to the table and present the United States and the world with an airtight, not the old plan, but an airtight plan to do what you say you want to do, that is prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. So here we can be on the same page here, and we can avoid further war.

Just come to the table and do that. just assure the world that your promise, which is hollow, obviously, on behalf of the Iranian regime, that you don't want to develop nuclear weapons, that your promise can actually be made certain on the ground. Then we can have peace. Okay. Professor Miranda. Oh, is it my turn?

Because you've been, you know, for the last half an hour, you've been busy with his spokesman for genocide and Epstein's buddy, who used to go to Rape Island with him. I'm a lawyer. For a rape for a person who frequented Rape Island, I think anything that he says is nonsense.

And see, I listened to him. I listen to him, but he's a lawyer, yet he cannot tolerate the words of Lama. That's how weak his argument is. Now, of course, someone who supports

the genocidal regime of Israel would say this sort of nonsense. And of course, we recall how the South African government in its ICJ complaint showed genocidal intent by the Israeli regime, including the Israeli prime minister, who spokesman you brought on and had this little love fest before this discussion? And you know what you don't have to keep making, Professor Miranda, just to be clear, it wasn't a love fest. I can spend my, I can spend my time saying, I make some tough statements.

I treated him with the same respect. I tried and treat you until you in never to be go, until you always invariably go ad hominem on people. Try not to go ad hominem. Stop with the silly dex. Stick to the proper debate we're having, and viewers may learn something. Force yourself.

Let the viewers judge. I know where you stand, Pierce. I saw your previous. interview with Ehud Barak, I saw it with his spokesman, we know where you stand, so that's not really important. But the point is that we... What do you think you stand? What do you think you stand? You stand with the genesis, you stand with the ethno-supremicist regime. I once asked you three times in a row, do you consider an ethno-sopremic regime to be legitimate and you refuse to answer?

And the tone of your language, the fact that I'm not allowed to speak, I've also, hang on, just to be clear, just to be clear, and I want to get back to the debate in a moment, but just to be clear, I have repeatedly asked you in our numerous interviews, and I platform you regularly, something you always try and diminish in terms of its significance, but I do, and I've always asked you to tell me one critical thing about your own regime, and you always fail, which is very telling. So let's just park that to one side. Now, let's go back to the debate.

My regime is infinitely superior to your genocidal regime that helped the Israeli regime in the genocide. My regime, as you like to call it, your guest doesn't want me to speak, obviously. My regime did not pull the plugs on little infants in the hospital, in the premature, for the premature babies in the Anasar hospital, pull the plug on the plug on the hospital. those premature babies and let them die. My regime didn't do that. The regime that you support did that. But getting back to the topic, the reality

is that chemical weapons were used on our country with the support of your government. I survived two chemical attacks. And then your guest has the audacity to say that Iran would use weapons of mass destruction. During the Iran-Iraq war, the state, the leader, refused to produce chemical weapons. Even though the military politicians asked him,

you said, no, it's immoral. So we had to suffer your chemical weapons and your governments prevented our government from even purchasing gas masks. My gas mask was bought on the black market. It was North Korean. So don't talk about weapons of mass destruction to me when my friends have died

because of your chemical. weapons. Your regime is the regime that has used nuclear weapons twice. And your ally, your genocidal ally, the apartheid regime, the illegitimate regime, where 46, I think, 44% of young Jews, Jews below the age of 35 in the United States, believe that Jews and Palestinians have to live together in one state with equal rights. That is exactly. the Iranian policy. So despite your propaganda, despite your nonsense, despite the lies that you promote, people are waking up. Jews in the United States are waking up. Christians, Muslims, people from all walks of life are seeing who's carrying out a Holocaust in Gaza. You know Ronald Reagan,

Ronald Reagan, when this genocidal regime in 1982 invaded Lebanon, he called it a holocaust. He called it a Holocaust. This is far worse than the Holocaust of 1982, but you refuse to acknowledge this genocide, whereas the population in Gaza has collapsed. It's not 70 or 80,000 people have died. As a result of this, were hundreds of thousands have died. The population has collapsed. People are dying every day, not just because the kids are being bombed or being snipes, because they're dying of illnesses and a lack of medicine that this filthy regime is imposing on the people, on the kids of Gaza. But you want to look away and antagonize the Iranian people or the Palestinians or Hezbollah or whoever else it is that you like to antagonize so that they can get away with this.

But you will not be able to do so because people are waking up across the world. I need to get Alan to respond. Okay. Okay, Alan, Alan, Alan, hang on one second. Before you give a response to what you've just heard, I just want to stress again that Israel has never been more unpopular globally and not least in the United States, where 50% nearly of Americans said they would like to see Netanyahu arrested for war crimes,

where two-thirds of Americans have a negative view of Israel. My view of this is that Israel's current government is populated with people like Ben-Givir and Smodgett, these other guys, who are complete psychopaths and that the activities that they are promoting, for example, the West Bank at the moment and so on, are making Israel a global pariah. Does that not concern you?

Of course it does, and I'm not at all a supporter of Ben Gavir. I'm not a supporter of Smetridge. I am a supporter of the nation-state of the Jewish people. I am a proud Zionist. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. Israel is the only non-colonial state in the Middle East. All the other states were established by colonialist regimes after the First World War. Israel fought against colonialism and self-determination.

I am not here to support everything Israel does. I wouldn't vote for Van Gavir. I wouldn't vote for Smetrich. I have to tell you that if in 1935 Winston Churchill had been the Prime Minister of England and he had gone into Germany and attacked them, he would be the most unpopular person in the world. It's very unpopular to engage in preventive wars because you don't know what you're preventing. History is blind and deaf to the future.

You only know what you're doing now. And so it takes enormous courage, courage of the kind that not only Winston Churchill had, but that Benjamin Natsunayahu has had, that Ronald Reagan has had, that George Washington had back in the day. It takes tremendous courage to get involved in a war that is unpopular. The Revolutionary War was unpopular with many, many parts of the United States. It was the right war, the Second World War. Nobody wanted to get into it on the basis from the United States. Lindbergh was against it. The polls were showing against it. It took enormous courage to take on Adolf Hitler. And, you know, I hate to say this, but I think I'm in 1935, and I'm sitting opposite Joseph Gerbels right now,

and he's making the propaganda case for the Nazi regime, just the way this professor is making the propaganda case for the Nazi regime, just the way this professor is making the propaganda case for the new Nazi regime, which is the regime of Iran. Will you at least admit, sir? Will you at least admit that Iran murdered in cold blood as many as 50,000 innocent protesters? And would you admit, if that's true, that that comes closer to genocide, than anything that Israel has been accused of doing in self-defense after its people were raped, kidnapped, murdered on October 7th? would you at least admit that the Iranian regime has killed many, many, many thousands of people? Yes or no? You know, we are not in 1935.

We're not in 1939. We are in 1942. You are the Nazi regime that is carrying out a Holocaust in Gaza. You are the Nazi who is doing it as we speak. You're the evil monster. You say Israel is not a colonial regime? You're from Eastern Europe. You're European.

All of those Ashkenazi Jews who are now running the country, they're from Eastern Europe. You came and slaughtered. I'm talking. I didn't interrupt you as you were ranting. You, you're the people who you support, the people who are running the country. They're Polish. They're Ukrainian. They're from Czechoslovakia.

They're from Eastern Europe. You're not in semi. You're the anti-Semite. Because you've been slaughtered. You won't let me talk. You are afraid. You're afraid because you know you have no argument. You have no leg to stand on.

You slaughtered the semi-Palestinians, and you took their land. And you support. You are a proud Zionist who supports a regime that celebrates the rapists in prison. They rape Palestinians in prison, and then they're celebrated on television. This is, if you don't let me talk, you're just exposing yourself. You're exposing yourself. You're exposing yourself just as you expose yourself with Epstein. I'm Israel.

So in response to your nonsense, the nonsense about 50,000 people, those lies have been responded to by the Iranian people. Stop ranting. I'm speaking. You're a lawyer. You're a lawyer. 3,517 people died thanks to. an armed insurgency that your regime and the Israeli regime funded and supported.

And you're a coward. You are a coward. You won't let me talk. You're afraid. You're afraid of me talking. Don't tell me I'm afraid. The lawyer. Epstein's lawyer, Trump's lawyer, is afraid of me a layman talking. Why? Because you have no left to stand on. The Iranian people have spoken. They went to the streets and the tens of millions. You're a coward. You won't let me talk. I let you talk because I'm not afraid of you. People are not afraid of you anymore.

You can kill Epstein. You can kill whoever you like, but we're not afraid. You can bomb my house. You can kill me with my family. But I'm not afraid of you. I will support the Palestinian people until your regime. bombs my home. So go and tell them that. I am prepared to die for the Palestinian people. But you, you who used to frequent Epsine Island, you have no principles and no morality.

The Iranian people came to the streets in the tens of millions. We all know it. The footage is there. The international journalists were there, not just in Iran, but in Iraq. The Iranian people have spoken whose side they are. No one is going to be fooled by your. propaganda to justify war. Well, let's get this lawsuit straight. Okay, Alan Doshwitz. How many times do you think I was at Jeffrey Epstein's Island? How many times?

Say it again, so we could get it on tape. How many times? One time is more than enough, but I think you've been there five, six times. How many times do you think I was there? I think you were there five, six time. Say it again, five, six times? Something like that, yeah. I was just lawyer.

just the way I was the lawyer for Palestinians. What a naive lawyer. Don't interrupt me. I was the lawyer for Palestinian students who tried to hang the flag when Yasser Arafat died. I was the lawyer for Nazis in Skokie, Illinois. I helped represent them. I would even represent you if anybody tried to prevent you.

I don't need you. I'm a lawyer. I don't need you. Lawyer does. And that's what lawyers should be proud of. I mean, I'm going to continue to represent people. You don't like as long as I have the current strength to do it. And you can cite that as an argument against Israel,

but there's nothing to do with Israel. It's just an ad hominem attack on me as a lawyer and on the American legal system. You wouldn't understand the American legal system because you don't have a... You said you regret being his lawyer. So don't talk nonsense. Say it again? You yourself admitted that you regret being his lawyer. so don't talk nonsense to me.

I don't regret being his lawyer. I'm proud to have been President Clinton's lawyer. I'm proud to have been Ted Kennedy's lawyer. I'm proud to have been the lawyer for hundreds of indigent people who didn't have enough money to have a lawyer. And I would be happy to go to Iran and represent the people who can't get lawyers there who were executed yesterday because they went to demonstrations.

You have to say what you're saying. The two people, the two people who are. executed yesterday and I've tweeted the footage the two people I'm glad you said this you are so naive you're not a good lawyer I tweeted this yesterday and I will retreat it after this debate the two people who are as ex executed yesterday they burned four police officers alive and stabbed them they were executed they were executed because of murdering four police officers so I would retreat that today

And that, by the way, what happened during that arm? Don't be afraid. Let me explain. Don't be afraid if people are listening. You are the one from the civilized world. You are the proud Zionist, the ethno supremacist that we should all be listening to. So don't worry about what, don't worry if people hear what I say. Your own Israeli regime, the regime that you love so much, is self-admitted that they were

behind the armed insurgency. Channel 14 of the Israeli regime, which is close to Netanyahu itself said, and I tweeted this, and others have too, that the Israeli regime, they helped send in, along with Americans,

they helped send in the weapons that killed hundreds of police officers during those two days of armed insurgency. Your own regime admits it. Your own regime admits it. I hope that's true. I would like to see the United States and Israel to gather topple the Iranian regime and replace it by a democratic regime where all people can vote and all people have free speech. I would be happy to participate in any such attempt to try to topple this Nazi regime. That's what would have happened in 1935 if they had done the right thing. We have a chance now to have peace in the world by toppling the Iranian regime. It won't happen overnight. It won't happen. quickly, but ultimately the good people of Iran, the good people of Iran will rise up against their evil leaders who kill them in the street and will give them, ultimately, for the first time,

real democracy. That's what we won't. So says the genocide supporter. The genocide supporter who's supporting an ongoing genocide where every day Palestinians are dying, every single day as we speak, and Western media won't tell anyone about it, because it's controlled by the same sort of people who you are aligned to. Those kids who are dying of disease every day, those parents who are dying every day, because of a lack of proper food in medicine, you are responsible.

And all those Western journalists have been trying to distract public opinion away from it. The only guilt of the Iranian people, the only guilt of the Iranian people, and Hezbollah, and Yemen is that they say no to genocide. That has been the guilt for 47 years. For decades, your regime has been supporting the apartheid and genocidal regime of Israel and supporting the most brutal regimes

across the world in Latin America and Africa, in our region, and in Asia. But the only time your hostility is towards Iran because Iran says no to ethno-supremicism. just like 46% of young Jews in the United States. Iran says no to genocide, no to ethnic cleansing, no to colonization, and that Palestine must be land where Jews and Christians and Muslims live as equal human beings. Your regime, your Israeli regime, because you're not loyal to the United States,

you're loyal to the Israeli regime, to the genocidal regime. Your regime bombed during this war. Your regime bombed a synagogue. Your regime bombed a synagogue in Tehran. Why? Because that synagogue was not a Zionist synagogue. You hate Jews. You hate Jews that are not Zionists.

You are an anti-Semite because you kill Palestinians. And you're from Eastern Europe. You have no right to slaughter and rape and murder. Let me bring Alan back in here. All right, let me bring Alan back in. Alan, let's just talk about the politics of this, because you mentioned earlier. This could take five years, it could take longer. But there's a political relevancy to this, which is if Donald Trump was to lose the House and the Senate in the midterm elections,

then he becomes a lame duck president and would then be highly likely to precipitate a loss in the general election for the Republicans. the moment the Democrats get back into power, they're going to get out of this. So this could all be over, regardless of whatever you would like or Donald Trump would like or Netanyahu would like. This could all be over within the next, you know, just two and a bit years because of the politics of this in America. That's right, because we have a democracy and we vote for what we want. Iran, on the other hand, in which only Muslims have rights, in which there's no free speech, there hasn't been an election for almost forever, they don't have those rights. Yes, we can overthrow our government.

Yes, the Democrats maybe will take control of the House and the Senate. That's a risk. That's what happened in Great Britain. After Churchill won the Second World War with the United States, he got thrown out of power. Voters are fickle. But principal politicians, Churchillian politicians, do the right thing, regardless of what the political implications are. And the right thing is to continue to make sure that Iran doesn't pose a nuclear danger to the world. Now, I want to pursue a little bit more of what our distinguished professor here said.

He said, Jews control the media. Jews control the media. Jews, and he start making other kinds of arguments. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a lawyer, but you're a liar. You're a lawyer, but you open a lie. People are watching.

Jews, 46, 44% of young Jews in the United States under the age of 35? They don't believe your nonsense anymore. No one believes you. You bombed the Jewish synagogue in Tehran. You're the enemy of Jews. You are there. I never said you say that.

The audience can judge for themselves. In fact, when you say Iran has no freedom of speech, your host, I've invited him to come to Iran on multiple occasions to see if there is free speech. When I tell him to read the book, going to Tehran, he gets angry because it goes against his narrative. But you speak on behalf of an ethno-supremic regime,

and you speak of free speech, your country is run by oligarchs. You think that the people of the United States have free speech when they lose their jobs, when on campus they can't talk out against the Israeli regime and the brutality of the regime? Don't talk nonsense. People lose their jobs in your country.

Their futures are destroyed when they speak truth to power. But let me ask you, Professor Miranda, let me ask you. I presume there's one thing you would both agree on, which you would like this war to be over sooner rather than later, correct? We would like justice. We would like what would end all wars in this region is one thing, that the land of Palestine be a land where Jews, Christians and Muslims live as equal human beings.

That's something that your other guests would never support and never accept. And that's why we have the genocide. Let me ask him. Alan would go along for decades. Whenever you said he wouldn't accept it, let me ask him. Alan, would you accept that? Of course I accept it completely. I accept completely people in every part of the world living as equals without regard to their lives.

You would accept that all. Palestinians living within the West Bank and Gaza. Listen, no, answer my question, all the Palestinians, including those living in the West Bank in Gaza, they would have equal rights to those Israelis who you brought in from Europe and across the world. They would have equal rights. You accept that. But let me be very clear. The vast majority of Israelis come from Arabic backgrounds, North Africa, Muslim backgrounds, Arab backgrounds. That's not Palestine. That's not Palestine.

Let me stop. That's not Palestine. In Israel, Iraq is not Palestine. I'm saying... ...I'm not speaking with a child. ... background there, Mizrahim, not Ashkenazim. Number one.

You are Ashkenazi. You and those running the country are mostly Ashkenazi. And the Mishrapeze Jews are not Palestinian, and they're not... Semites. Of course I believe in complete equality for everybody. Now I want to ask you the question. Do you think you're wrong? In the West Bank and Gaza? So you say so you say no no don't run away from that you say that the you say that the Palestinian and did you answer you answer the question you say that the Israeli regime should dismantle the system that now exists

and that all Palestinians in the land of Gaza and in the West Bank should have the right of vote and should have citizenship to this land and they cannot be removed from their homes. You say that, right? You accept that. Yes, of course. I think that they should be citizens of an independent state in Gaza, an independent state. No, no, no, I didn't say that. I did not say that. Don't change. Don't change that. No, no. Do you accept that the people in Gaza are refugees? I believe the peaceful Israel with the question. Answer the question.

The people in Gaza are refugees from Palestine. They are not from Gaza. Gaza was a village 50, 60, 70 years ago. The people in the West Bank, many of them are not from the West Bank. Many people in Jordan, they are not from Jordan or Lebanon or in Syria or in Egypt. The Palestinian population that has been expelled from their homes that have been kicked their homes and have been decimated for decades. You believe that within Palestine, what is now today called Israel, plus the West Bank in Gaza, that they should have equal rights and citizenship.

Let's remember how it started. The UN partition was- No, no, no, no. We know how it's starting. You can't. Your people who run Israel came from Europe. We know where they came from. They came from Eastern Europe for the most part. Many came from Russia. We know that. They don't, they're not Semites. I'm asking you a simple question.

Just say, should the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank, and the Palestinians who have been expelled from their homes, who are from that land, and who are Semites, should they have equal rights and citizenship? This is a simple question. Most of the show has asked you the question, and you try to shift the question. Well, let him answer.

Let him on, sir. In 1947, nations divided what was then a place called Palestine, named by the Romans, into two areas. One where there were a majority of Jews, and that could be a Jewish state. And the other, which was much larger with the Arab land, which could be a Palestinian state. Palestinians would have had a completely free state on the West Bank and in the Gaza. And the Palestinian leadership, led by a Nazi named Hussein, turned it down and refused and attacked Israel. a genocidal war against Israel. That's what caused people to leave their homes and abandon their villages.

Ben-Gurian wanted to welcome them all. Kept them there, let them have a two-state solution. Israel said yes. The Palestinians said, no. That was the origin of the conflict. And we can't go back in time now. Obviously, things have changed. But I want complete equality for everybody.

I want every... May I just... May I just interesting because as a lawyer, let me just tell you one thing. It's only for your own sake. It's not for the sake of argument. What you are saying, the argument that you're making, these fairy tales worked before October the 7th. They worked because the West had the propaganda machine.

The West had the centers of knowledge. It worked. And most people did not know the truth. So they worked. But the mistake that you made was that after October, October the 7th and the South African complaint to the ICJ, the after it was over the seventh, in the complaint that the South African government was put to the ICJ in the South, in that complaint, they showed the genocidal intent of your regime, your Israeli regime. And after that,

we saw it carry out that. And gradually as time, well, anyone can read it online. I advise all the viewers to use the search engine to go and look at the South African complaint to the ICJ. After that, okay, people can read it. It's just quotes. It's just quoting your prime minister. You know what? He's quoting your president. And then people saw the genocide. I'm calling a time out now. I'm calling a time out. I'm calling a time out. I think it's probably pretty clear to viewers now why negotiations took 21 hours and why the war is still raging. But I appreciate you both agreeing to debate with each other. Iran did not

attack the United States. Iran did not pierce Iran did not attack the United States. And the United States is sacrificing the world for this ethno-supremicist regime. It has killed so many Americans. All I can say is good luck. All I can say is good luck to the negotiating teams who were trying to bring this war to an end because even trying to bring this debate. to an end is proving completely impossible. But I appreciate you both. Professor Miranda, Alan Dershowitz. I've got to leave you there.

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