Pod Save America - The Audacity of Pope

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

President Trump attacks Pope Leo as "weak on crime" in a long social media screed before posting an AI-generated photo of himself as Christ healing the sick. JD Vance fails to broker a peace deal with Iran, Trump announces plans to reopen the Strait of Hormuz by blockading it, a horrifying scandal upends the race for California governor, and Democrats' Senate hopes show signs of life. Then, LA councilmember Nithya Raman stops by the studio to talk about her campaign for LA mayor and how she plans to tackle the city's most pressing crises: housing and homelessness.

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There's no safe like SimpliSafe. Welcome to Podsafev, I'm John Lovett. I'm Tommy Dutore. On today's show, we'll talk. talk about J.D. Vance's global face plant from Budapest to Islamabad. Trump's new ploy to reopen the Strait of Hormuz by blockading it, his new war with the Holy Father, and his blasphemous depiction of himself as an AI Jesus. How's that for a sentence? This fucking, what a stupid era. Then we'll get into the big news in the California governor's race as horrific sexual assault

allegations end Eric Swalwell's campaign in his time in Congress. We'll also talk about the latest encouraging sign for Democrats' Senate hopes. throw some good news in there, right? Then Love It sits down with our pal Nithia Rahman, the LA City Council member who launched a last-minute surprise challenge to Karen Bass about why she's running for mayor on a very yimby platform. How's that? Yeah. Quick reminder, please consider becoming a crooked media subscriber if you haven't already

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Yeah, let's go. Let's pick up the pace here. Let's pick up the pace. All right, let's get to the news. J.D. Vance and his New York real estate duo did such a bang-up job negotiating with the Iranians in Islamabad this weekend that Trump has ordered a naval blockade of all Iranian ports in the Strait of Hormuz and might resume military strikes, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The 21 hours of direct talks between the U.S. and Iran broke down over some minor stuff. like the fate of Iran's nuclear program, control of the strait of Hormuz, nothing big. Vance, who is just absolutely crushing his audition as future world leader, sandwiched a quick statement about the failure of the talks in between stumping for Hungarian loser Victor Orban and watching silently as the Morland spiritual leader of his church was insulted and attacked by his boss, the president.

Here's Vance in Islamabad. We've had a number of substantive discussions with the Iranians, that's the good news. The bad news is that we have not reached the agreement. And I think that's bad news for Iran much more than it's bad news for the United States of America. It's quite a good news, bad news there. You tried that again on Fox today.

He was like, everyone's talking about what went badly, but not what went well. Right. The best thing he said on the point is he was like, you know, no one's talking about how it's the first time, I think, since the Iranian regime took power that we sat down for face-to-fakes talks. It's like, yeah, why did that happen? Because you bombed the shit out of them. and now they're holding the global economy hostage.

And also just, it's not good news if you've had talks and then the bad news is that the talks failed. And so far as it's not good news if your plane flies almost all the way to your destination and then crashes. Just that mountain at the end. Right. Inputs outputs. Other than that, how is the play?

Kind of a situation. Anyway, well, well, Vance was in Islamabad trying to negotiate and failing. Donald Trump was monitoring the situation with his Secretary of State and other important figures. Let's take a look. I'll give you a heart of you. It's so good. You are a sub fighter.

Thank you, man. Thank you, sir. So there's Donald Trump in Miami hitting on USC fighters. It goes on. He tells that guy he's hot like two or three times. He is hot. I'm glad he's confident.

I see a kind of non-toxic version of masculinity on display. A man can admire another man being attractive without resorting to, you know, sexual innuendo. That's how I feel. That's how I feel about it. in the middle of a high-stakes negotiation over the future. Oyley wrestling match.

One thing for Donald Trump to be there, which is bad enough, but we don't expect much of Donald Trump. Very weird that the Secretary of State and National Security Advisor. And I realize he's from Florida, but just just hanging out with Trump and Miami at a UFC fight,

you don't get anything better to do, Marco? It's ridiculous. Why isn't Rubio a part of these talks? Why isn't he leaving the talks? Probably because he wants to stay out of it. Well, too much Islamabad news. He's like, yeah, things are going from Islamabad to Islam or worse. He's like, remember, I'm the guy who got a Duro.

Yeah, the famous closer, Marco Rubio. I did that other war. So Trump claimed Monday morning that actually the Iranians just asked for another round of negotiations. So who knows? Vance didn't seem quite as forward leaning on that during the Fox interview as Trump did. But why do you guys think J.D. Vance, the closer, as he's known to no one, couldn't get it done in Islamabad. Tommy? Three problems, as far as I can tell. One, both sides seem to think or at least say they are winning, two, trust, and then three just major substantive differences, especially the Strader Humu is in Iran's nuclear program. I think in terms of like the who's winning question, obviously the U.S. is winning every military battle, as we often do, but we are losing the broader economic war. And the Iranians know that they can just kind of weight it out and continue to increase the economic pressure. And then on trust, I mean, the U.S., we don't trust the Iranians, but the Iranians don't trust the

Trump for good reason. He pulled out of the JCPOA. And then we and Israel have bombed them the last time we've been having talks. So there's not a lot of goodwill. Literally kills the people that we talk to sometimes. Literally killed the negotiators often. That's not cool. And using negotiation as a pretext to do a surprise to do more bombing. Yeah. And then the substance like Trump wants the straight or moves open. The Iranians want to de facto control it and charge a fee. And then the nuclear program, the U.S. position was reportedly end all nuclear enrichment, dismantle enrichment facilities and hand over the highly enriched uranium stockpile. And taking that position going into the talks was doomed to fail because Iran has repeatedly

rejected those positions and asserted their rights to peaceful civilian nuclear enrichment. It sounds like they might have proposed a middle ground. There was a 20-year halt on enrichment activities, which is interesting because we were always told the JCPOA was really awful because there was a 10-year sunset. Now they proposed a 20-year sunset. Obviously, so if they took it, they could say, well, we doubled the Obama deal. Exactly. But the Iranians, we've all seen their 10-point wish list.

It's like control the straight or Hamoos, sanctions relief, get the U.S. bases, close them down in the Middle East. So I think the Iranians think Trump's going to get bored of this. He's going to taco. He's going to give up. And meanwhile, the Iranians are like, we literally have nowhere else to go. So see you next time. Love it. Trump did say, right, as the negotiations were about to happen.

The Iranians don't seem to realize they have no cards other than a short-term extortion of the world by using international waterways. The only reason they are alive today. is to negotiate. Regardless of what happens, we win. We've totally defeated that country. Do you think that set the negotiations up for success? I was struggling with this just watching all this unfold. Like, okay.

So Vance is going to Islamabad for high stakes negotiations. Oh, no, the negotiations have fallen apart and now we're doing a blockade. But wait, you know, the negotiations are back on. And it's all in like, we're allowing, like, Trump's attention span to, like, describe what's happening. And, like, oh, you didn't resolve this. intractable situation in 21 hours. Of course you didn't. Oh, people have walked away, but they're going to maybe re-approach the negotiating table. Like, that's how these laws.

It's a Subaru dealer. Right. Like, there's not, two years to get the Obama against 18 to 20 months. Right. You're not trying to get to like a clean like lease, lease terms where you roll it all in on the front end. Like it's a complicated negotiation. There should be kind of complexities to take time to unwind like, oh, it's a stalemate. Wait, we're back on. And now we're blockading. Like, I don't know, who knows what the actual strategic logic is of a blockade, but if anything, it just shows that clearly they feel as though they need a deal that's better than what Obama got out of Iran, but because we fought a war, we have created all these conditions that require us to give on all these other things. They have to be in some way compensated or the consequences

of the war have to be dealt with. And so what do you have to do to get to a better deal? You have to find some other place to ratchet up to pressure and make it harder for Iran to walk away from deal with all just to me, it seems like maybe it'll work, but it's an admission against interest. And New York Times helpfully reminded us of what Trump said during one of those Easter events a couple weeks ago about J.D. Vance going. He said, if it doesn't happen, I'm blaming J.D. Vance. If it does happen, I'm taking full credit. Honestly, like, that's where he's great. I know. I completely, look, as I say to the team at Love It or Leave it, I cannot fail. I can only be failed and I kind of respect that ethos from

Trump. A double fail, though, from J.D. Vance after, after his, his little rally in Budapest. Yeah, it didn't. And he said that on Fox News. He was like, look, we can read polls. We didn't think that Victor was going to run away with it. He's not on a first name basis with them. He's like, but you know, sometimes you just do what's right, which is stumping for an authoritarian in Eastern Europe, I guess.

Kleppocrat in Eastern Europe. Also, remember a couple weeks ago when I think it was Scott Besson said we were jujitsuing Iran by lifting sanctions on them to increase global supply? Now we're blockading the strait ourselves. Well, let's talk about the blockade. Trump announced it shortly after Vance's, bad news announcement, which the military then had to explain is not a blockade of all ships entering or leaving the Strait of Hormuz, as Trump initially said, but a blockade of Iranian ports. Trump also said that other countries would be joining us, but once again, that hasn't happened

yet either, though Israel approves. Tons of questions about what all of this actually means. Thumbs up from Israel. That's two BBs. Even Israel's like, are they helping with the blockade? No, but they're like, go for it. We like it. Kier Starmer's like, we're not getting dry.

We cheer you on. Tons of questions about what all this actually means, which Trump attempted to answer on Monday morning in the most natural setting, a press event where a self-described DoorDash Grandma knocked on the door of the Oval to deliver the president McDonald's. Here's how it went.

Do you think that men should play in women's sports? I really don't have an opinion on that. You don't, I'll bet you do. No, I'm here about no tax on tips. You say pizza? You're really nice. Would you like to do a little news conference with me with these people? These are not the nicest people.

They're not nice like you. You know that, right? I'll do whatever you ask me to do, sir. Iran will not have a nuclear weapon, and we're going to get the dust back. We'll get it back either. We'll get it back from them or we'll take it. Your anticipation, Mr. President, that other countries will assist in this effort to blockade Iran and those... Yeah, other countries are going to also...

Which countries, sir? We don't need other countries, frankly. from before still stand. Yeah, I don't want to comment on that, but it won't be pleasant for them. Let me put it at that one. Worst delivery ever. Can you imagine like,

hey, sir, here's your McDonald's. What do you think about men playing women's sports? He's like, I don't know, but can you, you just, I have to take a picture of this in front of the door. So I'm not really, I don't want to talk about trans, but I do need to take a picture of this just for the app to get this through the app. Press conference?

Fuck. This guy, well, DoorDash grandma is, so I'm sorry, like, it's a very dystopian kind of sad. concept this poor woman being just like forced to do delivery I don't know maybe she enjoys it hopefully it may be sad the whole thing maybe sad if you told just you you sort of shake someone awake in 2011 and you're like Donald Trump's gonna be president he's pretending he's Jesus and accepting McDonald's delivery at the oval office while talking about blockading the straight-up Mar-moos you're like

what are that's a joke that's a 30 rock thing what the fuck you talk about no one believes that that's not possible well so what is happening with the with the with the straight of four moves right now in this naval blockade anything getting through? What's happening? So it sounds like where the U.S. is going to blockade all Iranian ports and then Iranian linked ships, not just flagged ships, but ones that U.S. Intel says are Iranian ships. I think ships going to non-Iranian ports will not be stopped. So basically the way this works is like 15 U.S. warships in place. The U.S. Abraham Lincoln is the aircraft carrier. That's kind of like the base of operations. They have these Navy amphibious assault ships that will deal like with

interdictions and boarding along with helicopter assets. And then you got the big ass guided missile destroyers, which will like, you know, block things and push them in one direction and the other and also do missile defense because they have all the missile defense systems on them. Then there's some sort of like mine sweeping and mine hunting operations that'll happen. And so the question I have is, is the U.S. going to be providing escorts to all the friendly ships because the average, the average number of ships through the straight before this was 130 a day.

That's a lot of ships. That's a lot of escorts. And this is risky even during the ceasefire. because like there's apparently the Iranians have lost contact with all their sea-based landmines, not landmines, they're naval mines that are in the street of Hamoos. Yeah. We don't know where we put them. You don't know what they put them.

You never know. We kind of did it under pressure. Yeah, with some IRGC guy might fire off a rocket or a drone. But if the conflict restarts, like, I don't really see how this works because like it's not just about the U.S. being able to defend the ships. It's commercial shipping owners and captains being willing to go through the straight while they're getting fired at. Yeah.

So you have also Trump threatening to. blow up ships the way that they've blown up ships in the drug ships in Venezuela that's obviously indefensible in war crimes but those are at least ostensibly their claim is that they're talking about ships that have drugs on them this is just about commercial vessels that they're now threatening to blow up as well then on top of that I think I think the threat was for like because Iranian the Iranian Navy has been destroyed according to president but that like if ships are going through their smaller ships or their drones could still launch attacks.

So those are the ships that they want to do. Well, there are multiple things. I mean, he said multiple things. That's one thing he said. He was talking about the small attack ships. He also made a separate point about going after any ships that try to violate the blockade,

which I look, I hope that he's, he's completely unclear and the military's been clarifying it. We have no idea what he fucking means. We don't know how this is going to be implemented. I hope that that's what he means, but it's not clear that if a ship is not listening to a U.S. Right. Like, who knows?

And then the other part of it is, are we now saying that that we're going to have the U.S. military board ships that may be hostile? Like, this is also something that sets up a possibility of a whole bunch of horrible contingencies. Troops being grabbed, people getting hurt, people dying in accidents because boarding a ship in the fucking sea that doesn't want to be boarded is a complicated endeavor. Like, who knows where this is going? It's all, like, it all puts him in a position if he wants to escalate and resume bombing and claim it's because of some incident that took place on the seas.

It's just a dangerous thing to be pursuing without really understand why we'll do it. Yeah, he's known to be a bit imprecise in his language. The military said it was what the latter thing you said, which is that for the blockade, it's about them stopping and trying to board any vessel. Of course, that does raise the question like what happens when it's a Chinese vessel that's trying to bring oil to Iran or an Indian vessel. And the Chinese said, we're coming. We have contracts and we're going to go get that oil.

And by the way, like the problem is once you start operating the street or removes, It's 21 miles at it's like sort of a narrowest choke point. But the Iranians can fire missiles and drones from like anywhere along their coast. And your reaction time to respond to that with missile defense is nothing. So this is getting real risky. And just so people understand like the purpose of the blockade because I don't know if I explained it. By block by having a blockade of all Iranian ports, the idea is Iran like has to get get its oil exported out to people who are buying it. through all of its ports.

And if it can't do that, then Iran's going to lose like billions and billions of dollars. And obviously that is how they get most of their money. It's like half their, I think oil and gas revenue is through those straits. It's through the straits. And so if you're blocking all the Iranian ports, they can't get anything in,

can't get anything out. And that's how it also, by the way, like it could continue to squeeze the Iranian economy, but it's also going to raise oil prices everywhere else because the rest of the world, and the oil prices around the rest of the world depend on Iranian oil to some extent. So in the short term, it's also going to raise oil prices for everyone else, as well as squeezing Iran itself. And the question is like, can the Iranians take the pain more than the rest of the world

and us here in the United States who are very sensitive to higher gas prices? And so far they've shown yes. What are you trying to get out of a deal that? Iran is not currently willing to give you, but that they will give you after two to three to four to five weeks of pressure from a blockade. And like, we just don't know. Maybe that is known to them. Maybe they have some sense of what they're trying to achieve, but nothing public has made clear

what the like what the point of this pressure is other than just to get to some sort of a deal, I guess. Yeah. It seems like their idea is squeeze the Iranian economy even more so that either suddenly there is a popular uprising because now we're not bombing them anymore and people are so upset. Right. Tracy. And that, and so this will, and then the leadership will say, okay, let's just make the deal and let's give up, let's give up the dust and make the promises and give them what they want on nukes. And I guess, reopen the straight and then maybe lift economic sanctions for the Iranians as well. And that's, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's what he gave Justin Trudeau before he went off to burning. Or sorry, Coachella. So I don't know. Do you hear J.D. Vance, hey, he's talking about the, the, nuclear material on Brett Baer and he knows of course that it's called enriched uranium like he

understands all this but he has to go as some people call it dust yeah one person one person calls it dust you fucking idiot it's the whole idea that right there is a question of like what does the blockade do i could i guess it chokes off the ability to have revenue to run the government but yeah the idea that people are going to rise up again like the irgc has all the weapons the besiegegeal has all the weapons iran people have nothing well the other and you're been bombing them it's a history of blockades is it usually hurts the people that more than it hurts the regime that it's directed towards. I would also say also just, and on top of that,

I do think on some, on some level, it is about making the pain felt outside of Iran to make other people feel as though they're kind of dragged into this conflict. Yeah, they're currently not. Pressure them or something, yeah. Spokesman for Iran responded to the blockhead on Monday by calling it an attack on the global economy

and asking, is it ever worthwhile to cut off one's nose despite one's face? Trump doesn't seem too bothered by it. He's a fan of cutting off his nose to spite his face. here he is talking to Maria Barteromo on Sunday morning. So a lot of people Marlako. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they have a doctor that does that. You start just like 100 grand. You come out, they cut up your nose, they spite your face, and you're done. Little filler. A lot of phythermed. A lot of spited faces.

Spite. Spotted? Spitted? Anyway, let's play the clip. Do you believe the price of oil and gas will be lower before the midterm elections? I hope so. I mean, I think so.

It could be. It could be or the same or maybe a little bit higher. Can I just say, it's so funny. The full range. The full range. At some point did someone tell Maria Barton Romo, hey, you know, we can attach a lov to your shirt

and you can speak naturally. She doesn't know, boom across the room and I'll keep shouting at it for no fucking reason. You get a mic on your shirt. You don't have to shout. It's crazy. She's like a real boomer with just the TV on constantly when you walk into the house.

I also just like, the idea that like the Iranian regime is posting these sort of like Confucius like sayings about revenge like lowering their head and saying before embarking on a campaign of revenge dig two graves it's more than I can take for these people I will say that along with some Lego movies yeah they got us with the like of propaganda fire got us that was tough that was tough for sure great lyrics I was talking to someone today who who does it works an organization that does a ton of polling and research on Trump and US politics whatever and they have consistently like on a weekly basis

And he said, this is the first time Trump's approval has moved significantly in years, literally. It was like, as we've all seen, public polls, rock solid at like 43% approval always, right? It like moved a little around Butler, moved a little around Alex Pretty shooting. Now it is in a straight line that is going down. And it looks like Joe Biden's approval a month after the Afghanistan withdrawal, which we all remember, essentially ended his presidency. And so maybe it'll come back. but it just seems like the energy shock is just getting started.

Oil prices are back up. And Trump seems to think, as you said earlier, he seems to think that he's like, ah, whatever, we drill our own oil. You know, we'll be fine here. It's a global market. And then the Financial Times today had a report out where it said that U.S. crude exports will be up about a third this month. And demand from Asia is also increasing.

So that's going to put upward pressure on all the prices here. It's like, it's going to hurt. It's already hurt. It has not, like, the real pain hasn't hit yet. And all of the energy analysts keep saying this. And we're getting very close to that point where it's like, you can look at the oil futures all you want. But like the actual physical manifestation of the oil futures is about to hit. And I remember when we were in the White House, David Pluff would always say gas prices are a hit to the entire enterprise.

Yep. Like the whole thing could collapse. Like the whole political project could collapse on gas prices. And that's when they went up like, I don't know. a dime five cents here and there this is I mean you know the the parliament speaker Galabath that negotiated with J.D. Vance he said soon you'll be nostalgic for four to five dollar gas as he's been saying also on the Iranian point I know something I was talking to today reminded me that Iran prepared for this by taking a bunch of oil and placed it in tankers

outside of the straight over moves they have something like 130 million barrels kind of sitting and anchor in various places. So at current prices, that is $18 billion. So that's a nice little cushion for them. You know, what's funny about that is that they prepared for this. Yeah. But the United States, which is the one that launched the war on its own timetable, his own decision-making, did not refill the strategic petroleum reserve ahead of Trump launching. It was only 60% full. It's almost as if Beebe and Pete Hegeseth persuaded Trump that this would be faster and easier than it actually was, yeah, if it's like, because we were watching Vance right before we came in here, and he said, you know, look, obviously gas prices being up is bad, but we were, we had such

a low benchmark. You know, we were doing so good, and it's not nearly as bad as it was under Biden. And it is true. There was a moment during the Biden administration where gas prices shot up to higher than they are now, I think $5 on average, so higher in more expensive places. And that, I think actually was the rising of prices, including gas prices into the Afghan withdrawal that probably were the one-two punch that kept Biden below. in the low approval for the rest of his presidency. But right now, today, gas prices are higher than they ever were after that peak right now. And there's no hope that they're going to, or at least we don't expect them to go down between now and the election.

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church's opposition to Trump's brutal treatment of immigrants and his war of choice in Iran, which reportedly led to a meeting where a Pentagon official allegedly berated the Pope's outgoing ambassador to the U.S., always a good thing. It also led to a 60-minute segment Sunday night where the three most powerful American cardinals who were close with the American Pope spoke bluntly about the church's issues with Trump on war in immigration. The president was watching 60 minutes because right afterwards he posted a lengthy tirade that read in part, quote,

Pope Leo was weak on crime is a sentence that I will think about. It was like, I was shocked, but I also couldn't stop laughing thinking about it. Me too. It's like they're on some debate stage in Iowa, and he's like, you are soft on crime, you are soft on nukes.

Also, you met with David Axelrod. Pope Leo, weak on crime, weak on nuclear weapons, and wrong for America. And friends with David Axelrod. That was in the same. I just talked to Axelrod. I just talked to Axelrod, It seems wild

It's like You meet with the Pope and then suddenly Like a you know A rabbi and a priest Walk into a bar in Chicago You know Have you ever had ham? No, have you ever had sex?

No. Oh, you got to try ham You know? I did ask ask if he brought If he brought the Pope Manny's As like an interfaith offering Oh, that's nice But I guess they didn't meet in Chicago

They didn't meet in Chicago So Anyway He also wore Trump also warned the Holy Father to, quote, get his act together. Okay. And he took credit for Leo's selection as the Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church. That is that is Trump's doing.

Spot the law. For good measure, Trump also posted an AI image of himself as Jesus healing the sick. Truly, like, did you just say like, no? But yes, he really did. It's what, I mean, I would love to just, we should have done a whole, we could do a like a whole video on just going through the actual the images the actual image because it is it's an AI slop image for sure it's a lot in there's a lot in there's a lot of confusing things in there but what you really need to know trump jesus healing a sick man in bed who could pass for joe or geoffrey abstein

also maybe yeah mention maybe even more jeffrey abstein i thought it was jeffstein i just didn't look a divorce also looks like there's like a demon behind him and maybe some g-i-jo's i thought i saw a ninja turtle maybe yeah like a ninja definitely anyway So the pontiff was asked about all of this on Sunday night. Here's what he said. I have no fear neither the Trump administration nor speaking out loudly about the message in the gospel. And that's what I believe. I am called to do what the church is called to do.

Blessed are the peacemakers. I do not look at my role as being political, a politician. I don't want to get into what to make with him. I don't think that the message of the gospel is meant to be abused in the way that some people are doing. Too many innocent people are refilled. And I think someone has to stand up and say, there's a better way to do this. The Pope was also asked directly about the Post, and he did say that Truth Social was an ironic name for the platform. Not wrong.

I love just a Pope and just Chicago English. It's so strange. It's surprising. The first American Pope, truly American. Yeah, it's awesome. Do you think he flies business? I was not to say, what kind of, oh, he cares about the least among us. What's he flying?

It's a nice looking plane. What's he flying? Just kidding. Him and Hussar. Woke Marxist Pope. Pope's in next to Osamaiker in Delta 1. And Bernie. Bernie and AOC right behind him.

Here's what Trump had to say for himself when he was with DoorDash Grandma, which is what he calls him, Alonian. I think he's very weak on crime. and other things. So I'm not, I mean, he went public. I'm just responding to Pope Leo. There's nothing to apologize for. He's wrong.

And the other thing is he didn't like what we're doing with respect to Iran. Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ? Well, it wasn't a picture. It was me. I did post it. And I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross as a Red Cross worker there, which we support. I just heard about it.

And I said, how did they come up with that? It's supposed to be me as a doctor, making people better. And I do make people better. I make people a lot better. That's such a funny lie. So many doctors. Just a health care provider. Just dressed as Jesus.

A humble. It's one of those lies that I'm like, why does anyone even spend time on it? Anyone with eyes knows that it's not. Even J.D. Vance was asked about it when we were watching Fox just now. What a couple answers from him on this? First of all, he said the whole thing was not newsworthy. The president of the United States. picks a very public fight attacking the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, as weak on crime and weak on nuclear

and warns him to get his act together. J.D. Van says it wasn't newsworthy. He said that of the AI Jesus, Trump was just joking. So it wasn't meant to be a doctor. No, he's joking about being. And people don't get Trump's sense of humor. And it's good that he posts his own stuff on social media and that it doesn't go through a filter of, you know, press assistants and people who work for him and everything else because it's good that he speaks directly to people he also said that uh the vatican should stick to matters of morality yeah not like war not the policies of the most powerful nation on earth as it retains to war which is like i guess you mean like what like just no divorces and the rhythm method like it's just basically all that

they want that's what they want it's so revealing that he said that and i was i was like i was thinking about this even before he said that is is is to jd vans and to a lot of the right wing Catholics and especially evangelical Christians in this country, issues of morality are issues of personal morality. And so that is why for so long they have been focused on abortion and sexual orientation. And what Pope Leo and Pope Francis before him have revealed is that the core of Catholic social teaching is about matters of war and peace, is about preferential option for the poor, is about treating immigrants with dignity and respect and valuing life. And I think that is all more explicitly mentioned in the Bible and the New Testament and from Jesus' mouth than anything related to abortion or sexual orientation or any of the other personal morality issues that they become political in the United States.

Thomas Aquinas over here. Yeah, look at this guy. Thomas Aquinas. Actually, you know what he's talking about. the uh I'm like yeah yeah bad yeah the uh

I'm Protestant not since uh Henry the 8th has a divorce slob felt that the Pope the Pope had overstepped his bound

but at least he didn't at least uh at least Henry the 8th did Barry Ann Berlin on a golf course you know what I'm saying what you think smart fight to pick

let me tell you let me tell you we've talked about we talked about Trump picking fight with Muslims, which he has, obviously. There was the whole Muslim ban in the United States. He's viciously attacked Muslims in the United States. He has talked about dual loyalty and has said

plenty of anti-Semitic things about Jews in the United States. There's 20 percent of the country are Catholic in the United States of America. Is it that much? Yes. It is, there's over 50 million Catholics in the United States. This is a lot of Catholics. There's a lot of Catholics. It does politically this feels worse. I mean, remember, this is not his first big fight with a Pope. Remember he tweeted about Pope Francis. If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows, is ISIS's ultimate trophy. Oh my God. I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been president because this would not have happened. Remember that one? I forgot. That's a wild one. This one feels bad though politically. Like, first of all, it's like mood

music. Like things are a little rocky for Trump, especially with his far right followers. Like, I don't know if you and Dan covered the op-ed, the link. Screeb attacking Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, Candice O, and Dallas Jones from last week. I read it aloud. Yeah, so Trump's biggest supporters are not in the mood to defend him. And it also comes right after the Easter tweet where he offended a lot more Christians by tweeting, close the fucking straight and praise Allah on Easter. Yeah, he offended Christians and Muslims in one tweet.

All over the, I started a little holy war there. And then, you know, it is an American pope. It's just like, what are you doing, dude? Yeah, he posed a picture himself as the pope. in May of last year. And I do think that, like, he's said, he's done, like you said with Francis, he's done this before. I actually think he's just doing it at a time

in which he actually no longer seems kind of tough and blustery, but it just seems sort of sweaty. And so he's getting attacked from, like, people that would previously have never said a word about something like this and would have done what Vance did and say, oh, he was just kidding around. That's our president. That's our big boy.

But instead, they're actually saying what they think about it. Yeah, like, if you guys listen to the full 45-minute Tucker Carlson monologue attacking the Easter tweet that led into a broader Iran critique. It actually started by pointing out that Trump did not put his hand on the Bible when he was sworn into office. I hadn't realized that. I didn't realize that either. I don't know how I missed that.

And it really built to an argument basically that Trump thinks he's God and his thinks he has Godlike powers and that that is wrong and evil. And it's also like kicking up a debate again about whether Trump is mentally well. He was asked this at a press event the other day. Like people, hey, sir, people think you're crazy. What do you think? Yeah. And my view on that is he's been like this forever.

Yeah. Yeah, I listen, it didn't make sense when I saw it as a kid, but as I get older, stupid is as stupid does, you know? I think watching the 60 Minutes segment is what, obviously that is what set him off. And there's been reporting on this. But it is worth watching everyone. Nora O'Donnell does a pretty great job talking to the three cardinals, the Archbishop of Washington, Chicago and New York.

And, I mean, they accused the White House of gamification. of warfare calling the administration's videos, the snuff videos, a sickening quote, where De-Cardinal Cupid, we're dehumanizing the victims of war by turning the suffering of people and the killing of children in our own soldiers in our entertainment. Cardinal Tobin called ICE a lawless organization. They hide their identities to terrify people. I mean, it was just, it went on and on and on. And I think that for Trump, when he hears that, he's like, oh, this is a personal attack and

I get to hit back just like anything else. But it's like, what they are revealing is that it's not just Trump's own personal morality, but like his entire political agenda is incompatible with not just Christian, Christianity and Catholic social teaching, but like most of the world's major religions. Yeah. Because it is like based in like, because they are based in empathy and compassion and grace. And banning abortion, which he kind of already gave them. So like sort of we're on the other side.

He gave him a pretty big win and now they're turning on him. Side note, not as important. Interesting that 60 minutes aired. that piece, given all the concern that Barry Weiss would be spiking anything kind of critical of Trump. So I guess good that that made it through. And free press broke the story. Yes. He broke the story about them saying that they're going to get the papacy back to Avignon. Yeah. So like on the politics of this, I mean, I don't know if it'll do lasting damage. Like a lot of Catholics might be like, yeah, I was weird. He deleted it, but he overturned Roe versus Wade.

So like, we're good. But it is interesting, I think, that once again, the anger and the criticism falls into the character values bucket. This isn't like he didn't give us the tax credit or let us like be mean to the, you know, the cake artist who won't make an LGBT like wedding cake or whatever. It was like, there's people in true social saying, this is desecration. Trump is the Antichrist. Trump thinks he's God. I've heard from people who who like, they have mag relatives who are like, this was it. They were done. Yeah. This is because it's the, the extremely political types who like their first issue, even more than their Catholicism as abortion is one thing like you were saying. But I think for most Catholics, when you start attacking the Pope like that and then you put yourself as AI Jesus,

like that is a pretty, it's a one team punch. It's pretty blasphemous. Yeah. You know, and it is, it's very trump to because with Islam and Judaism, like there's like Catholicism has a head of the church. And so there is someone, there is like a person who can be a threat to Donald Trump, who is a moral leader around the world. He's not used to that. He's used to just being like, see, that politician, they're just as bad as everyone else. We're all the same.

We're all bad. Look, not the first leader also just to think that, like, oh, what could the Pope do? He doesn't have any armies or anything. I do wonder if maybe Trump could maybe like go on the road to Canossa and then walk all the way to the castle and then take his shoes off and then beat on the doors for a few days until the Pope lets him in. And then he can apologize.

and then the Pope would absolve him. And then he could go back to leading the Holy Roman Empire. Yeah, that's good idea. Empire. What about that? I think that's a good idea. That's really good idea. Did you see the other interesting thing before we move off on the CBS, on the 60 Minutes thing is that the Pope has decided to spend the Fourth of July in Lampedusa,

which is the Italian island where tens of thousands of migrants have landed and on their way to Europe. And Nora asked if that was symbolic. And they're like, yeah, of course. He's like, no, no, they have great sprits there. It's beautiful because it's on the coasts, it's on the, it's on the water's, the water's really chill on that side. Yeah, your hair doesn't get curly. And it's like, what a contrast with, you know, Donald Trump celebrating July 4th with what he's going to do. This bachanol of like literal violence, like UFC matches.

And he's meanwhile welcoming migrants to the shore, which is what, you know, as one of the Cardinals said, which is what the Statue of Liberty is supposed to represent. Also, tough for Vance's I became Catholic book tour. Yeah, big time. Yeah, my, like I say, my road, what's it called? Like the road home? It's taking the long road.

Back to Catholicism. So I only know about Catholicism up to the Reformation. That's where the end of my memory of AP European history cuts off. It is a, it's going to really ruin the book tour for J.D. Vince. It's, what is it called? Communion. Road to Donahasker.

Oh, communion finding my way back to faith. He found his way back. How many books about them himself is a guy going to be? right. Jesus grace. That's too many already. VP, bud. Pod Save America is brought to you by Mill. I never thought I'd be excited about food scraps.

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after a night of heavy drinking in 2024. The women spoke to the San Francisco Chronicle and CNN, and the Manhattan District Attorney's Office has now opened a criminal investigation into the allegations. Swalwell was initially defiant, but after losing most of his endorsements, he ended his campaign on Sunday night, writing in a statement on X, that he was, quote, deeply sorry for mistakes in judgment, and that he, quote, will fight the serious false allegations that have been made just before we recorded. Swalwell also resigned from Congress. What are your reactions to both the news and in general, it's secondary, but just the audacity to run for governor

knowing that this was out there? Yeah, I mean, it was shocking. I mean, I think there were a lot of rumors about Eric Swalwell kind of being one of the younger members of Congress who would go to bars, get too drunk, hang out with staffers, maybe fraternized with them in inappropriate ways, but nothing. I had never heard anything like this. No. It's a lot of I read that CNN story, and I thought he should drop out of the race. He should resign from Congress. Then he should hire a criminal defense attorney because there's a damn good chance that guy gets prosecuted and could see jail time. And then shortly after the Manhattan district attorney announced an investigation.

So it's horrible. I'm glad the Democratic Party moved quickly to push him out. It's a contrast with how the Republicans operate and the Tony Gonzalez to Trump to many in between. But it was despicable. Yeah, it was at first. Swallow was issuing these denials that sort of reference to mistakes in judgment, but that, oh, he'd never done NDAs and had never been members of staff. And then those were, I think, disproven, or at least there was reporting that showed that those

weren't true. So then those statements sort of changed. Hard to get into the mind of somebody that would have this in their past and think that they could run for governor because you can't even say, oh, he, because it's like, this is not, like, I don't know what stories people tell themselves. but he's not the first person to have terrible skeletons in their closet and still believe that they could do whatever they want and keep rising and be brazenly ambitious.

And right up to the end, like the video he recorded reportedly at some billionaire donors home in Beverly Hills, like his staff wasn't around, where he like refused to drop out and said he was going to stay in it. It's like the woman who came forward on this, she, if you read the CNN story and the San Francisco Chronicle story, like she has text messages to a friend saying that she was sexually assaulted by Eric Swalwell saying exactly what happened, like right after it happened in 2024. She had told multiple family members, her partner at the time.

And then you have three other women saying similar things. The woman who alleges the sexual assault also like got tested for, had a pregnancy test and tests and test for STDs and had the person at the lab, send her a number and. note that said like you're a survivor hang in there. I mean, just like there's, there's so much. A lot of it. A lot of every driver. And to like read that story as Eric Swalwell and to like see the other ones and just

be like, I'm going to film a video being like, fuck it. I'm hanging in here. And then his lawyer gave this insane. Tacking the victims. Interview with Alex Michelson on CNN and Alex did a great job. But it was just like, it was so hard to watch because he just was like sitting there not giving any answers on anything. It's like, why did you even go on TV?

Yeah. So, super. We've seen like a lot. I also just like. There's a story I think people tell themselves that, oh, like, I've been, you know, I've looked outside of my marriage and I've had been unfaithful, but I've never done anything. Like, I've never been heard anybody. I've never, I mean, it's always consensual, always consensual.

And then these stories come out, whether it's, you know, we've seen over and over the powerful men that they truly like cannot, either they are in denial themselves or just lie in perpetuity, but they cannot accept that what they've done is not just been unfaithful, but actually been like, you know, sexually assaulted people. Yeah. And there was a story in, I think it was the Times about, you know, it's indicative, like this whole thing was indicative of how, what a shit show, the California governor's race has been. And people were like clamoring to get behind some kind of candidate because Kamla didn't run and Padilla didn't run. And so Swalwell comes. And then they're all like, okay, this is our guy, this is our guy. And there were rumors, some of the rumors like that you were just saying Tommy that like, you know, maybe he'd been inappropriate. And people kept going to him and saying like, any truth to this. And they said that his denied. and his categorical denials, even in private, like one-on-one before endorsements were, like, so intense that they were like, okay, I guess he's saying absolutely not. Nothing's going to come out. You know, Mag has been after me for a while. Wouldn't they have surfaced this already? Well, there was also this thing where, you know, there was a report that Cash Patel was going to put the, you know, the eye of Soron from the FBI on Swalwell and like inappropriately release investigative files. So I think there was there was also, I think, legitimate concern that maybe like the Trump administration was going to use.

the power of the government in some inappropriate way to target him, which right, like, I think it led to maybe more second chances for him. But then also, I was thinking back to that weird video he released with his wife where they're like walking in Santa Monica and it's like, his wife like endorses his candidacy. And we're like, what is this? What is the context? And it's just like so clear that that was front running these controversies. By the way, as we were recording CNN and some others reporting that in battle GOP rep, Tony Gonzalez announces he's stepping down from Congress. So he's another absolute scumbag on the Republican side. Yeah, so people know, like the Swalwell thing brought up these other house members who they all thought that they maybe would try to expel

together. So there was Swalwell, Gonzalez, who had an affair with the staffer who later committed suicide. Democrat Sheila, Cherfellas McCormick, who the House Ethics Committee found guilty of stealing COVID relief funds for her campaign. Republican Cory Mills who's under investigation for committing campaign fraud and sexual misconduct and domestic violence. That guy is awful. And so now Swalwell has resigned. Gonzalez has said he's going to resign or retire tomorrow. And so now I don't know if the vote will go forward on Cherfellas McCormick and Mills or the whole thing will get dropped.

But wow. So it's a lot about the house just to come. It's like, oh, someone does something bad. Let's get them all together. Let's expel them all. Yeah. It's a, there's such a, because like, Santos was basically the first person expelled since what, like, reconstruction. And with that, it was like, oh, well, it's so obvious that you should have this person removed because it's just so brazen and there's so many examples.

But the idea, there's something so like, look, I'm glad Swalwell's resigning, all these other people should be resigned and expelled. But there's something so ugly about like, oh, we have to do it in pairs because we're only going to enforce our ethics in a bipartisan way, which tells you that actually what you need is some kind of a standard or process at the end of which there's a way in which you say, all right, this is this standard has been met. We will vote to expel that won't be kind of abused or politicized or ignored by either side. Yeah. And it is why I get why when sometimes people face these expulsion votes.

They say like, well, we need either the House Ethics Committee to have completed an investigation and find the person guilty through the House Ethics Committee or like an actual criminal conviction outside. It's some kind of legal determination. Right, because you do want that because otherwise then everyone's going to start saying, you did this, you did this, expelled, right? Evidentiary standard. Yeah, and by the way, like, I'm glad too that there was like genuine reporting that dug in,

like because there were like random posts on social media. Like, oh, Swalwell's a creep and someone like, this is just a hit piece. This is by the opponents. And it's impossible to know. It's hard to tell. We don't know. You can't go by that. Right.

And so I'm. Thankfully, thankfully someone, these women came forward. Yeah. So it sort of like was a combination. of people kind of drumming this up online, including people sort of outside of traditional journalism, and then it getting kind of a journalistic outlets, sort of putting in the resources to go and kind of run these things down, which ultimately, I think, is why it was able to

successfully make the story breakthrough and get him to resign. So let's talk about what happens now in the California governor's race. We can do, you know, J.D. Vance, good news, bad news, bad news is this. Bad news is that guy. Good news is, I feel like the lockout fears are over at this point. I don't know. I think it can revive them. We can get to that. Yeah, well, let's talk about it because I think I think now that Trump has Trump has jumped in to endorse Steve Hilton, Swalwell's out. Yep. So now you have California's roughly 60-40 state, Democrats, Republicans. So you have two Republicans splitting the 40, but one endorsed by Donald Trump. And then now you have Tom Steyer, Katie Porter, And then I guess, you know, Matt Mayhan is the mayor of San Jose, Javier Bresera, former AG,

and Biden administration cabinet member, and Antonio Virugosa, former mayor of L.A., sort of buying for, you know, the third spot. Yeah. What do you guys then? So most of the people I've talked to in the California political world since the Swallow News think that this race will go down to, on the Democratic side, Steyer versus Katie Porter. Katie Porter's campaign has said, I think to Politico today, that they, in their internal polls, they get half of Swalwell's vote. Steyer's team, I think, said they get a quarter of Swalwell's vote. So we'll see.

The problem for Katie Porter is no matter how much she raises or how hard she campaigns in the next couple weeks, like it's going to be impossible to match the $120 million that Steyer has already spent. And the problem for Steyer is he spent $120 million, and he's still kind of stuck in this. He was spending millions attacking Swalwell, which at this point means. He has set that money was just wasted. Yeah. And so most of the candidates, as you said, are polling significantly lower than those two. The X factor seems to be Matt Mayhan, who may get like a ton of money from a bunch of tech

industry, billionaires already has, but may get a ton more. And maybe that'll move the needle. The problem for him is that, like, California is so big. We have, what, 10 media markets. They're all expensive. Even spending 20 million is like not going to get you that much. So, you know, that's the assumption of where this will touch out. The good news for all of us is everyone's in the field right now with polls, campaigns, media organizations, packs.

Hopefully, we'll get some new data. I think the scary scenario is a situation where you have Mayhan, Porter, and Steyer all splitting the Dem vote. Then you could see a Steve Hilton, Chad Bianco lockout scenario. It is very unlikely. It is more likely, I think, that the Democratic Party comes in or the DGA comes in and elevates Steve Hilton further in some way to ensure that it's a Republican Democrat general. election, but we'll see. Yeah, and the reason that it seems unlikely that there's going to be a lockout now is if you've got so Bacera, Virigosa and Mahan have like

maybe in one or two polls one of them has hit five. No one's gotten more than five, right? So say you generously give all the candidates who aren't Porter and Steyer 15%. That still is 45%

between Steyer and Porter and divided by two is as long as they're over 20, neither Chad Bianco or Steve Hilton is getting over 20% because it's 40% of the voters are Republicans in California. Yeah, the argument for this kind of all redounding to Porter is, Steyer has spent whatever it is over $100 million. He's gotten to wherever he's gotten. He's gotten billions of impressions and he's sort of stuck where he is. Katie Porter hasn't really spent anything. She's been very little on ads. And I hope that this would be an opportunity to go spend that money. And so before you even get to where the voters go, like where does Swalwell money go?

It doesn't make sense for to go to Tom Steyer. He's a fucking billionaire. So like where we're Matt Mayhan? Maybe, maybe, but or like some of them. Some of them. Because he's, Matt Mayhan is like very like a lot of the, a lot of the tech focused people, you know, so he's got a lot of money or surrounding on that campaign. Now again, he's got some similar issue with Steyer.

He's jumped in the race later. But a lot of money spent and still sitting around four, I feel like, I don't know, maybe, we'll see, but like the idea that there's a bunch of people that were behind Eric Swalwell are now suddenly going to go to the more kind of like, they're not going to go to the other traditional them in the race. I don't know, we'll see. But it does seem like it's a moment for Katie Porter to like spend some money and try to figure out how to like kind of bump herself up. I'm sure she's been waiting because she's so outgunned by Steyer. It's also like at some point in this environment where attention matters most and people barely watch ads. Like I do think finding a moment to capture attention is more important. in some ways, as Tom Steyer has found out, and then spending a whole bunch of money. And it's a challenge in a state-wide race, especially a state as big as California, because you have a huge state,

so you have a huge fucking audience, but everyone's talking about national politics all the time. And we have a couple big debates coming up, and do we think California voters are all going to be tuning into those debates? You'd hope so, but I don't know. Does we have forum tomorrow night, which will be the first time I think they've all been together

and to comment on Swalwall. And I do think that will be a newsmaking thing and we'll see something coming out there. Luckily, there's lots of better news for Democrats to focus on. On Monday, the Cook Political Report shifted its outlook for several key Senate races in Democrats' direction. North Carolina and Georgia, this is wild, from toss-up to lean Democrat. Ohio from lean Republican to toss-up. And Nebraska, from solid Republican to lean Republican.

In Iowa, a survey commissioned by a Democratic group gave Iowa State auditor Rob Sand, an eight-point lead in the governor's race, while the same poll has Republicans holding only a narrow lead in the Senate race. where there are two strong Democrats in a tough primary. Over in Alaska, Mary Paltola raised almost $9 million in the first three months

of the year, quadruple the amount raised by Republican incumbent Dan Sullivan, probably the most money ever raised in that state. Do you guys think the Democrats' chance

of taking back the Senate has been underrated? I feel like it might have been underrated by now. It might have been underrated. Yeah, I just sort of picturing an Ayatola coming to the microphone the day after the election

and saying, we didn't set out to change the American regime, but the regime did change. It's interesting. to think about. Yeah, I don't know if it's underrated other than it was rated correctly, and then we launched a state of war and gas prices are through the roof, and now it needs to be rated according to what's happened. It's been overtaken by events. Like, it was maybe a toss-up when gas was $3 a gallon. If it's $5 or $6 a gallon, suddenly the Senate is not just in

play, but like we have a real, real chance of taking it. Yeah, I mean, I've long felt pretty optimistic about North Carolina and Georgia just because, like, those are great candidates in states that are genuinely swingy. Ohio and Iowa, tough states in 2024. I think Trump won Ohio by 11 points, won Iowa by 13 points. Some big headwinds. But Ohio, we get Sherrod Brown. It's probably the best candidate we could ask for. He's a win the primary, but he's going to win the primary. And then in Iowa, we will not have a candidate until June 2nd. I interviewed Josh Turrick a couple weeks ago. Folks want to listen to that. We're out to Zach Walls to try to get him on soon, too. But Iowa Democrats have a really strong candidate at the top of the ticket in Rob Sand, who is reportedly up

eight points. Randy Feinster's his opponent. He's not that popular. He got a lot of baggage. In between like high gas prices, high fertilizer prices and then tariffs, Trump has done everything he can to piss off farmers and fuck over Iowa's economy. So there's just like, there's just a lot of, you know, tailwinds for these candidates. We should know that Cook in the same breath as moving those races also still doesn't think the Democrats are favored to win the Senate because they basically think we'll pick up one to three. We need four. And so there must be counting Maine, North Carolina, and then either Ohio or Alaska or Iowa, and not two of the three. Now, we also, I think Texas is a good chance, too, but they don't rate Texas as, I think Texas is still a lean Republican in

their ranking, if I'm remembering correctly. I would also like to see, like, part of this, too, like, like, how, who does gas prices hit? Obviously, geographically, it's, you know, it's going to hit, you know, states where people are driving a longer distance or driving bigger cars. Like, I would bet if you looked at, like, who are the kinds of people that were kind of soft Trump voters and are now open to voting for a Democrat? It's going to be people that they're not driving Teslas. They're driving, like, SUVs, and they find Democrats talking about these issues pretty annoying, but they're pretty fucking pissed about how expensive gas is because we went to Warren around.

Yeah. And it's not just gas. It'll be, you know, supply shortages and the cost of other, I mean, inflation. It's still a problem. So it can be a big problem. And then the argument that why are we spending X billions on bombs to drop on schools in Iran when we could be spending on anything else here

like pulls through the roof and everyone's gonna be able to use that. Right like wait do we find out how much this blockade is gonna cost us today. Billions. Trump was Trump right before the election in Hungary was promising like economic help for Hungary if they elect Victor Orban.

Which he's done so many times. Like, remember the Argentinian beef. Yeah, he keeps doing that. It's insane. brazen election interference. Then J.D. Vance goes over there and it's like, the bureaucrats in Brussels tried to interfere in your election. I won't, but also vote for Victor Orban, but I'm not here to say, like, what are you doing,

you absolute loser? It's insane. He wasn't doing it to win. He was doing it because they're friends. He was doing it to help a friend, all right? If you don't love J.D. Vance at his Victor Orban, you don't deserve him. Just the most corrupt person I remember Victor-Orbun. Finally, before we get to love its interview with Nithia Raman, one more quick item for you.

Well, plenty of political leaders from liberal democracies all over the world posted statements celebrating Victor Orban's defeat over the weekend. One in particular caught our eye from former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, not because of what he posted, but where he seemingly posted it from, Coachella, where the 54-year-old was spotted in a backwards hat with girlfriend Katie Perry in a series of viral photos, which drew this comment from Twitter user at the Departed Rat, quote, when you're faded and need to squint one eye to type, but you're trying to tweet about Hungarian politics. The, do we have the picture?

There it, there it is. This picture is enraging. This picture is enraging to me. He looks so vital, young, and happy. He's 54. He looks, he looks half his age. Look, maybe there's hope for 54. I guess.

I just like, for me, all Coachella is is a great weekend where the traffic is less in L.A. And like, there's the former primit. just living his best fucking life. I like that there's also a video that's come up to on the screen. Yeah. He's like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

What are you doing? What are you doing? I was talking to a Canadian friend today who said Trudeau is getting shit in Canada. I have friends of Canada too. You have friends Canada? Lots of friends of Canada. Yeah, go on. Sir,

your X or something up there. Go from camp. Because he pushed for a plastic cup band in Canada. And as you can see there, he's got a red solo cup. That's why he was getting shit. That's one of the reasons. People are also making fun of him for wearing like relaxed clothes,

Do you expect him to be in like a blue suit? Yeah, like a suit. What are we talking about here? I do like the backwards hat. I'm enjoying some Chinese food and a... Yeah. I guess I liked Trudeau. He was on Pote Save the World.

Check out Potsay of the World. Subscribe anywhere you get your podcast. I guess my advice to him would be like, post about Coachella or post about the Hungarian elections. Don't do both. I'm sorry. And you think he needs your advice. Yes, he absolutely does.

He is dating a pop star at Coachella. We're fucking here. He's crushing it. He's living. He's living. He's living the most divorced dad life. He's doing great. He's posting about Victor Orban, throwing back a ketamine lawsuit.

He's crushing it. It is a very relatable situation. We've all been there. Oh, no, we've got to do some workboat pop. Oh, yeah, we're looking at Twitter. Here we are in a fun time. Draft at a convention speech from Vegas. He's done it all.

Was he just there to see Bieber? Or is that just a coincidence? A lot of the reporting connected them because they're both Canadian. I mean, she's there, so I'm sure she was just there to see everyone and got all the, You know. She's Katie Perry. She's Katie Perry. Yeah.

Imagine you tripping balls waiting for a porta potting. Justin, you're like, Justin Trudeau? I bet he has artists. I bet he has the good passes. Oh, definitely. But he still got to pee. You got to pee. And that's a thing.

We all got to pee. Bernie was at Coachella last year, right? But he spoke. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. I think he was he open for Skrillix. God, my references are getting so old.

Wow. So old. Nice. Good one. He was a bare naked lady. We'll be seeing you at 54 with your hat back. Who is a fuel concept? Not Wilco.

She was Ari wheeling you around. Was weez. Yeah. Hey, buddy. A old man, stagecoaches down the road. No, no. That's next weekend. She actually started out with a band called No Doubt.

All right. It looked fun. I wish I was there. Me too. Yeah. We're just jealous. For sure. For sure.

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quickly. I also do want to disclose that I've been a supporter of yours for a long time, but I was really excited to see you jump in the race, not just because you're you, but because I thought Los Angeles deserved a big, contentious, hard-fought mayoral campaign, and we were about to not have one. Yes. You had endorsed Karen Bass for mayor. Yes. She was a political ally of yours. Then literally, in the hours before the noon deadline you decided to run, what happened in the month between endorsing your former political ally and deciding to run against her? Well, the endorsement request had come months prior. So I just want to be very clear about that. It wasn't like an overnight change of heart. But I will say that I had been getting really frustrated with the way that things

had been going in the city and in the way that things had been going in City Hall on so many of the issues that I really cared about, on housing and housing. production and the cost of housing, the extraordinary cost of housing here in Los Angeles. I felt like the city was actually fighting against state mandates to build housing. The city was fighting affordable housing. And we didn't have any clear direction or urgency around the issue at all on issues like homelessness where people were demanding accountability. That is possible, absolutely possible, to deliver things that I have actually made progress

on in my own district and in my limited way as the chair of the committee. We were just not doing on a system-wide level and we didn't feel any urgency around. it. And I feel like that lack of urgency was everywhere in every issue that I cared about. And I kept trying to push back against it and kept hitting a wall. And I think I got increasingly frustrated. And I'm not a traditional politician in that this is what I want to be doing for the rest of my life. I actually didn't even really think that I would ever run for office. But I really care about Los Angeles. And the idea exactly like you said, of having a mayoral election where we weren't even talking about the fact that LA is struggling right now, that a lot of people feel like it's

moving in the wrong direction, that the city hall needs to be doing things differently in order to address our biggest problems, that we weren't even going to have that conversation. I mean, it made me crazy. It made me absolutely crazy. And so finally, in the last couple of days, I seriously considered running and then on the very last day through my hat in the ring. So let's talk about what's wrong with Los Angeles. which would be too long of a conversation to have.

But stepping back, the city of L.A. has a budget of around $14 billion. Yet we can't fix sidewalks, repave streets. We don't plant trees. We can't replace the bulbs in our street lamps. Why, in the richest state in the country, in the fourth largest economy in the world, is Los Angeles such a basket case? You know, I think a lot of it has to do with really poor fiscal management here at the city. We are making decisions that undermine.

our capacity to be able to deliver basic essential services for our residents. And I think that's a shame because it is, again, it's completely possible to do it. We last year had a billion-dollar budget deficit that definitely had some kind of impacts from the fires the year prior and from, or a few months prior and from heightened liability claims that are impacting a lot of municipalities across the country. But the biggest issue was that we signed unsustainably large contracts, beginning with the police union, which is one of the biggest players in local politics. We signed an enormous contract with them that everybody at City Hall knew would lead to hundreds of millions of dollars of shortfall. And yet we signed it anyway because the mayor and many other City Hall leaders, I voted against

it. Many other City Hall leaders knew that the police union is the major player. local elections. They're the biggest funders of independent expenditure committees of campaign funding here in L.A. And so we signed that contract. We knew that we would be hundreds of millions of dollars in the whole as a result. And then exactly as everyone knew, we ended last year with a billion dollar budget deficit and a thousand six hundred layoffs on the table. And because that happened, we are now in a situation where we have 30,000 streetlights off across the city of Los Angeles and an average repair time of a year to fix a street light. We haven't paved a single mile of street this entire fiscal year because we don't have the money. We're filling fewer potholes because we have

the trucks to fill potholes, but we can't pay for the drivers to fill potholes. We are doing everything worse than we could. And now we're going back to residents and asking them to pay more in order to deliver these essential services. So you would, if you were to become mayor, you would inherit these contracts, how do you fix it? How do we dig ourselves out of this whole? And how do you do it when it's not just the mayor that's kind of making these decisions, but also the city council and other people that feel beholden to these groups, even if they're supportive of making sure public employees receive good benefits and good pay? 100%. 100%. And I think you can offer, I think we can have a vision for Los Angeles where we are paying public sector employees,

what they deserve, giving them raises to be able to live in this city that is so extraordinarily expensive, but also negotiate adequately in order to make sure that we're also delivering basic services. And that inability to negotiate, that's what we're losing in a system, which is so insular here in L.A., where the people who are really constituents of city hall politics are a very small group, as opposed to all of the residents of the city of Los Angeles, for whom the decisions being made in City Hall really matter. Yeah, can you talk about what happened with the convention center? Yes.

So I think this is a good example. Yeah. There was a proposal to expand the convention center. You just tell people what happened, how much it's going to cost, and what happened there. Yeah. So there's been a proposal being kicked around for actually a decade to expand the convention center. We have a convention center in downtown L.A. It is pretty old.

It's smaller than other convention centers. And there's been kind of a discussion to see whether we should expand it and brighten it up. Suddenly, just a few months after we had a billion-dollar budget deficit, the convention center was back on the table. And by this time, the costs had ballooned significantly. Now the cost of that rebuilding that convention center with debt service were going to be close to $6 billion. $6 billion. That would mean that we were going to be paying out $100 million annually out of our general fund. Those are our discretionary dollars that we use for providing basic services here in LA, everything from public safety to streetlights. And that proposal was

pushed through very, very quickly, despite the fact that we are in a fiscal crisis, despite the fact that we have the Olympics coming up, despite the fact that local and economic headwinds are very, very uncertain here in Los Angeles because a small cluster of downtown businesses who fund local elections really wanted to push it forward. And for me, I represent a district right now that is very vocal about their views. It's one of the relatively wealthier districts, and they know how to get in touch with City Hall when they care. I didn't hear from any of my constituents saying that they wanted this project to move forward. That's very unusual for big decisions in front of the city.

How long would the project take, too? How many years would it take to build this convention center? It's going to take a couple of years. And what is interesting about it is that we actually have Olympics events that are scheduled to happen at the convention. Center. And so in order to make sure that the Olympics events are happening, what we have to do is to move the project forward until it gets to Olympics readiness. It won't be done by the time the Olympics are happening. But we need to get to Olympics readiness. And then we're going to kind of put walls around the remaining parts of the conventions that are there still under construction.

Then we're going to have the events there and then afterwards we'll finish the project. And that's going to cost $6 billion. With debt service. With debt. Yeah. Yeah. Including all the cost plus the borrowing and all the rest is going to cost $6 billion. And how long would it take us to make back that $6 billion? I mean, we're going to be paying the debt for that for the next 30 years. And the revenues will never cover the costs. I mean, this is. Terrific.

Love that for us. All right. I'm sorry. So how does it get to the point where a small group of people, Democrats or, you know, left-associated people, are all coming together to make these decisions? It's not Republicans that are causing these problems. It's not Donald Trump. This is a problem generated by the only thing between us in solving these problems is Democrats.

Right. And so for like people that maybe aren't from Los Angeles and see this, like, what have you learned being in the city council about what it takes to get a group of people that are maybe ideologically aligned to care about just the basics of good governing? You know, I don't know the answer to that, to be honest with you, because that is not what we have right now here in Los Angeles. So I don't know what the solution for actually caring about good governance is, except that I think it is absolutely necessary at this moment. To me here, to live in the city, to think about the fact that I have to look my constituents in the face and say to them, you trust me, I'm going to address really complex issues like affordability. I'm going to address really complex issues like homelessness, but I can't fix your streetlight for a year and just trust me. got this. That felt unacceptable to me. That felt like an absurd situation to be in with my constituents. And that is really what had what pushed me into running. And, you know, at this time, I had actually

been so frustrated with the way that things were going that I had started to lose hope in in how things could get better here in Los Angeles. And I think in the context of a federal environment where I feel relatively helpless and hopeless as well, feeling that, you know, locally has also been really, really, you know, frustrating. But I will say that since I started the campaign and since I've been going out and talking to communities about these decisions and talking about how the city can do better, how we can achieve all of the goals that we want to set out to achieve, if we're honest with our constituents, if we're open, if we're transparent.

And if we really work towards good outcomes, I really do feel like people are excited by that message. People are getting enthusiastic. People are organizing their own meetings so that I can meet their friends. friends. Like, it is a message that is getting a lot of positive reception, which is really exciting. So let's talk about one of the key challenges for L.A., which is housing. I actually interviewed Zerunamani about this when he was running in New York, that he had actually evolved as somebody that was associated with the DSA, the socialist, Democratic socialist, that he had

come to see the importance of not just, like, rent control and measures to control the cost of housing, public housing, but also market rate housing. I think you've had a similar evolution. Can you talk about what is standing in the way right now of Los Angeles, building enough housing supply to meet the need? Yeah. I mean, I think I definitely had that same movement. I was very focused on affordable housing when I first started my first race,

building more affordable housing, building more shelter, making sure that we were building kind of what, People talked about meeting here in L.A. But as I was in office and I started getting calls from constituents who were struggling with their rents, I realized these were often people who would never qualify for affordable housing, but they had no choice but to live in a unit with a terrible landlord in terrible conditions because there was simply nothing else available to them here in Los Angeles. And L.A. is a city where there has been an active anti-housing movement that has shaped our local politics for decades.

In the 80s, there was an anti-manhattanization movement that downzoned, that reduced the capacity to build more housing along every major boulevard and thoroughfare, that reduced capacity to build multifamily housing across the entire city, leading to what estimates, what is an estimated shortfall of something like 500,000 units here in the city of Los Angeles right now. But I think we can actually fix it. There are ways in which the city of Los Angeles can build more. A huge change would be getting the city out of the way.

Rezoning so that we actually have capacity to build more housing, building more density, particularly near our major transit corridors, building more gentle density like duplexes and triplexes, even in some single-family neighborhoods that can be more walkable that are near transit. I think that's a key change that we need to make. We need to get the city out of the way. We have enormous red tape. standing between an application for a new housing unit coming in and when it is actually approved.

And our timelines for approving housing are double, even triple what other jurisdictions are, which leads to significantly less housing being produced. And, by the way, more expensive housing being produced because the longer you have to sit and wait for your permits to come, the more expensive that housing becomes ultimately. And the fewer projects that get started because the people building those projects know they have to be able to make money on the end when there's going to be a huge delay. Yeah, I also wanted to say that we really have a culture in city hall where delay and denial are kind of rewarded and saying yes is not. And I think we have to completely flip that around. We have to build a city where saying yes is the goal of our housing processes, not the opposite.

And that is a culture shift that has to happen at every level of the bureaucracy. It has to be enabled and undergirded by technology that allows cooperation between, departments and it has to be rewarded at the highest levels of government. And that's really what I think needs to happen. Yeah, like after the fires in the Palisades in Altadena, there was this sense, even from the mayor, that like, we're going to make this process faster. We're going to make it work better. Of the 4100 that have applied for permits to rebuild, less fewer than half have been approved. Only 34 homes have been built. So even when there is impetus, even when there seems to be an understanding that we need to move faster. It's not happening. Is that a technical problem of the

rules? Is that leadership? Is that the mayor not like what what's happening? Well, I think it is leadership. I think it is a I think the mayor here in the city of Los Angeles has, while it is a weaker mayor system than in other places, we, the mayor has the capacity to hire and fire every department head. And that means that the mayor has the capacity to determine the priorities of every department. They're getting motions and legislative efforts from the council members to push them in a thousand different direction. The mayor is the one that departments respond to. And so it is up to the mayor to set housing production and permitting timelines as a priority. She can set deadlines by when these things have to happen. You can appoint leadership that is

responsive to those goals. You can create metrics through which you can hold department heads accountable. And if they meet those goals, you can reward them. And if they don't meet those goals, you should replace them. That is not happening here in the city of Los Angeles at all across all of the departments that are involved in the housing production process. Also, we haven't had a deputy mayor of housing for almost two years in a city where the cost of housing and housing production and rebuilding are key issues for this city. We need a deputy mayor for housing. But, you know, that position has been left empty for, I think, an inexcusably long time. So we're in this crisis in housing. We've lost 54,000 people in the county. Now, Los Angeles passed something that's called ULA. It's the mansion tax. Yes. People would know it. And I actually supported the mansion tax because I thought, okay, like I don't think it was it was written in a stupid way by people who seem honestly, like mathematically illiterate. But it had put a tax on houses over 5 million and then a bigger tax on houses, I believe, over 10 million. And I thought all things considered better to have it than not have it. I didn't understand when I voted for it, honestly, that it also applied to multi-family housing.

Because that was so, I wouldn't even have occurred to me that it would do something so fucking stupid. Truly, I feel stupid that I voted for. I would have voted no. You tried to fix it. And you say, hey, we'll keep the mansion tax. But we won't apply this to new multifamily housing because all the evidence says that multifamily housing is being stopped and this is counterproductive. And yet, the council doesn't do it. Right.

I, what is the, like, it was enraging. I am mad sitting here. It doesn't, what is the logic of it? How do you, how do you show up with these people and not, like, what is stopping them from doing them? Like, sputtering to a stop. It's so fucking stupid. Why didn't they support what you were trying to do? Well, I mean, I think because people, A, people don't believe the evidence.

So there's there, I mean, I was very convinced by the evidence. There were real differences in L.A. city versus L.A. County. L.A. County is producing more housing. We're producing less. San Diego, which is facing the same macroeconomic conditions that we are, is actually increasing permits. while LA has seen a 25% drop in permits. I mean, to me, the evidence was very clear that this was impacting multifamily housing production. I think there's two things that are happening here that are preventing more robust action from being taken on issues that are obviously addressing housing production.

One is that there is significant pushback from, again, those same kind of insider groups that have huge sway in City Hall, both the ULA Coalition that I worked with very closely to try and negotiate a pathway forward. I was talking to them for many, many months to say, because I too was a supporter of ULA. I really value the money that it provides to the city for rent relief and other things. And so I worked very closely with them to say, hey, can we craft an exemption that allows for this much needed housing to be built here? Ultimately, we just were not able to come to an agreement on what that would look like. And I got extremely frustrated because to me, this is the single most important issue that is, you know, hampering our future resiliency. That is making Los Angeles into a place of less

opportunity. Secondly, I think both labor groups that funded the effort also were not on board with making any changes. And so with nonprofits and with labor groups that had supported the effort not making any changes without a real push from the mayor and from other leadership to really move this forward, this effort died. It is now going through a committee process, but I'm not sure what is going to come from it. So I think more than half the council had already endorsed Karen Bass before you decided to run. They've, I think, all stuck with their endorsements. But I assume behind the scenes, others on the council are as frustrated as you are. You happen to have also been somebody that endorsed Karen Bass but was unhappy. Are you hearing from them privately that they actually

want you to win, but they're afraid to say so publicly? Well, I, look, I don't want to betray my private conversations. I still have relationships with people on the council that I'm working with and whatever happens in this election, either outcome, I will need to work with them going forward as well. But I will say that, you know, I've interacted with a lot of local political figures here, not just people on the council, but across the entire region. And I think there have been a lot of questions about kind of the lack of leadership on issues. And I think that's the most perplexing thing here in in L.A., which I think Angelinos can feel on the streets,

which is just like a, there's a rudderlessness. There's just a lack of pushing. There's a lack of urgency on the things that I feel really urgent about and that I think residents of the city feel really urgent about. There's a lack of just kind of being out there

and fighting. Like Angelenos need a fighter at a moment when things feel really bleak here. And to not, have that fighter in City Hall, to not have that person really articulating a vision of how things could change, whether it's on the cost of housing, whether it's on our transit and safety infrastructure for our streets, whether it's on homelessness, whether it's on ice, whatever it is. We're just missing that kind of that leadership here in the city. And this is an incredible

place. This is an incredible place. It deserves that kind of leadership. It deserves that kind of vision. It deserves someone pushing with all of their might to push it in the right direction. And I just I know I felt that absence and I don't think I'm the only one. I really don't. So I want to ask you about MacArthur Park. There's a beautiful park in the middle of the city. Yeah. If you go there right now, we drove there right now, it's the middle of the day, you would see basically like an open air drug market. And the mayor and the police, they set up chain link fences on the sidewalks or the park, they're blocking off, they're not coordinating anything in. They are, it's hard to believe that this is the solution. They have built boxes of chain link fence to close the sidewalk

so that people do not use those spaces to sell drugs. This was touted as a temporary solution. Years it has been devolving. There was a plan for like about $27 million, try to beautify the park over a long period of time. You're the mayor of Los Angeles. How long does it take until MacArthur Park is a place that's safe for families? Is it a, I don't, I personally like, look, I can be told why I'm wrong, but the idea that it's a six month problem as opposed to a one month problem, two week problem, to really kind of make the place safe again. Like, what would you do and how long do you think it takes with real attention to make a place like that reflective of the kind of city we think Los Angeles should be? Yeah, I think it would take six months to a year to change it because I think it takes repeated engagement and presence in that location to address longstanding issues. And I think you have to address both the homelessness crisis that is on the streets. You have to address the mental health issues that are out there. And you have to address very obvious criminal activity that's happening there, drug dealing and other kinds of things for which you need police presence there.

dealing with really ugly issues that are out there that require their attention, investigation, and arrests. And I think if you do both of those things, if you are really, again, robustly engaged, pushing with all your might on that issue, I do think that you can make some real improvements there. I, you know, we have had in council district four where I've been engaged, we don't have anything that resembles that scale of crisis. But we did have very large encampments, very, very large encampments, 30, 40 people that were there when I first got elected. And each of those, addressing each of those, took that kind of effort. We were able to offer shelter, services, housing, and really push on the system to be able to address issues.

There were cases where we had to work a much longer time to address people who had severe mental health issues, who, you know, despite repeated engagement, even arrests that came about from their own behavior, would end up right back in the same place. That requires engaging with the Department of Mental Health. That requires engaging with mental health clinicians. It takes time. But again, with time and effort, progress can happen. And I think the key, the missing link here, the thing that I keep articulating over and over again, is that you have to put in the time and the urgency and the leadership and the focus on these things that can actually push things in the right direction. And it has to be sustained over time.

Yeah, because what I'm hearing, too, is like a lot of this is pushing back even at times on your own constituencies, whether it's a public employees union or maybe advocates for the unhoused. Gavin Newsom, it's almost taken as a given in some quarters that Gavin Newsom was performatively cruel in the way that he wanted to clear encampment. But at the same time, I imagine most even Democrats in California would say, oh, that's what I want. I want someone who's going to be aggressive about doing that. Is part of the job of mayor making decisions that are humane, that are reflective of our values as progressives?

But at the same time, sometimes the advocates are going to be out there protesting if you do need to clear an encampment. Or sometimes you are going to have to go against a labor union, even if you broadly support unions. I think that for me, like on the issue of encampments or the issue of homelessness overall, to me I think it is, and actually let me take a step back, whether whatever issue that we're talking about here, here in the city of Los Angeles, I think the issue for me as a person who is deeply progressive, as someone who believes in the power of government to do good things and to make our lives better. My goal is to ensure that you as a resident of Los Angeles and every resident of Los Angeles feels like the government is working for them and that they can palpably feel the positive presence of government in their lives. And I think you have to do what it takes in order to deliver those results. On homelessness, I happen to believe that for the kind of the encampments that I've dealt with in my district, housing, shelter, services, focused work. has been what has reduced homelessness significantly in, you know, street homelessness significantly in my district at almost every encampment that we've worked in. And that is the work that I would

be doing is create that system of sustained effort to generate results on reducing street homelessness, on addressing mental health issues, on making our streets safer, cleaner, brighter, fixing streetlights, whatever it is, you have to push on these issues. And I think that, that is really, I think, for me, my governing principle as an elected representative and as someone who is a very proud progressive is like, I want people to feel like the government is working for them. When you're on the council, you supported what would become Mayor Bassett's signature policy to address homelessness. It was a $300 million program to get people off the streets. the city spent about about $259,000 per person housed.

40% of the participants, more than 2,000 people, ended up back on the streets. What went wrong with that program and what does it tell you about how you do it differently? So initially, I thought the kind of the emergency response of the inside safe program was necessary for L.A. I also supported declaring a state of emergency on homelessness. I think street homelessness is a crisis. It is an emergency, and we should respond to it at that scale. And the kind of effort that it was where you, again, it was renting hotel and motel rooms and using those as shelter to go to encampments and get off for that shelter and then

moving an entire encampment off the streets. That's called encampment resolution. It's not unique to Inside Safe. It's something that I've done in my district. In fact, we did it years before the mayor came into office. We've done it in Venice. It's been pioneered across the city, and it's very effective by really focusing encampment by encampment and offering real shelter to people that we're able to actually move people indoors and then clear those encampments. And then those areas stay clear because you've actually addressed the reason why people are on the street in the first place.

So to me, that kind of an encampment resolution-focused response is really important. The issue becomes when the intervention that you're using is enormously expensive and you're not doing the work to ensure that you are making it into a fiscally sustainable response. So inside safe motel rooms cost an average of over $80,000 per person or per room per person per year and people are staying in them for an average of a year. And sometimes they're costing as much as $100,000 per person per year. that is an enormously expensive intervention that I think was appropriate as an emergency intervention, but needs to be made into a real fiscally sustainable system that actually can respond to the crisis on our streets with the dollars that we have because this is not sustainable. And so to me, I want to build that system. I've actually in the city generated data about the performance of our homelessness investments for the first time working with Lhasa that shows us where beds, are vacant, where our permanent supportive housing units are available. And through that work,

I've actually brought people into these beds, filled every bed, filled every unit. We need to be building a system which is cost less per person, but is actually working better at actually bringing people indoors, filling every bed, filling every resource, and then doing the work when they're in those units and those shelter beds to get them the case management, they need to transition to whatever is there next step, whether it's reunification with family, whether it is moving into a permanent supportive housing unit, whether it is coming into self-sufficiency, getting a job, being able to actually live independently. These are all things that the system can do, but you have to design that system. You need to make sure that there is leadership there and resources to create that

system, to make sure that people are moving through it into safety and to permanent housing appropriately. But that kind of work is not happening right now, despite, despite pushing within the city to create oversight, to create responsibility here. All right. A couple final questions. Look, I realize that as mayor of LA, the Middle East, has very little to do with your portfolio. But you've been hit from the left for not speaking out enough about Gaza. You also would be running to be the of a city with a very big Jewish population that is deeply concerned about the way in which anti-Zionism bleeds into anti-Semitism. What do you view, like, your role is in speaking about this issue? And what do you think people in Los Angeles should know about how you feel about it?

Well, you know, I have spoken about, spoken up about the issue in the past. I called for a ceasefire introduced a ceasefire resolution in city council. I've called what's happening there, which is incredibly horrific to witness what's happening in Gaza. I've called it a genocide and, you know, I've been deeply disturbed by what I have seen at the same time in my role as city council member and what I imagine in my role as mayor would be the impacts on people here and kind of the the knock-on effects from what's happening in the Middle East, I think have to be also the focus of our work here in the city. So in my district, we've had to be. had increases in really horrifying incidents of anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. And I've had to

respond to both of those. And as mayor, I would need to do more of that. I would need to ensure that this city is a place where people are able to express their political opinions freely, where people are able to express their First Amendment rights, but that they are not victims of anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. And when those happen, we have to speak up about it. We have to make sure that this is a place that's safe for everyone. I want to go with the film industry briefly. There's so much to talk about. I know.

So, L.A. We had only 19,000 on-location film and TV production days. That's a 16% decrease in 2024. That's the lowest number of production days ever recorded outside of COVID. What would you do as mayor to bring production jobs back to this city that Mayor Bass hasn't been able to do? Yeah, you know, one of the big things that I think we need to be doing is making it easier to film here. And there have been some efforts that are making their way through the

council around kind of reducing restrictions on how production happens, on reducing costs for production, improving how film L.A. works. These have been moving, I think, all too slowly. There's no reason why, through executive directive, these fixes can't be made immediately. And that the bureaucracy that standing in the way of people producing here, actually making films here, cannot be eased more quickly by a mayor who is deeply focused on this issue. But I think there's more that can be done. You know, last year we had a conversation about a tax credit that increased. You know, I wanted to see more advocacy from our mayor for a tax credit that would have no cap and that would be guaranteed a decade into the future, right? That's the kind of system that studios are

looking for as they're thinking about where to invest. And L.A. should be the loudest advocate. The leadership of L.A. should be the loudest advocate for the kind of tax credit system that other states are putting into place and actually getting production moving there, like in New Jersey. We should be advocating for that same system here. Okay, Sacramento may not listen, but the leadership of Los Angeles should be fighting as hard as they can to make sure that that tax credit system is put into place. I would also say that, you know, I think we need to be really engaging with studios. We need to be engaging with companies that are headquartered here and saying to them, what do we need to do to make sure that you're shooting here?

What do we need to do to make sure that we are having production stay here? How can we make sure that this industry, which is so central to Los Angeles, so central to Los Angeles, stays in Los Angeles? How can we make sure that the incredible talent that we have across this city can work here, a place that they move to to, to build their dreams, to work in the film industry? I think that's the kind of engagement that I want to see. I haven't been seeing that kind of engagement happening. That's what I would want to do if I were here.

Oh, and then can you reopen the arclight? Oh, I don't know if I can. I would love to figure out why it's closed for so long. What's going on to the archlight? I don't know. It's nuts. Yeah, let's go talk to that property owner. Okay.

All right. Made some progress today. Yeah, all right. Thank you. Nithia Raman. Thank you so much for being here. Good luck in your race. I hope we get the arclite open.

All right. We're done. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's our show for today. Thanks to Nithia Raman for coming on. Dan and I will be back with a new show on Friday.

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