Podcast: The Ride - Alfred Hitchcock: The Art of Making Movies

Episode Date: October 7, 2022

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Dog! Warning. The following Hauntcast may require working knowledge of Funko Pop executives. You may encounter coked out birds, embarrassed dads, and exactly as many Hitchcock impressions as you suspect. It's the classic Universal Studios attraction, Alfred Hitchcock, The Art of Making Movies on Hauntcast the Fright. I had a whole opening joke planned, but I just want to get cut to the chase. I'm Scott Gerdner because we got a host who's excited to do Alfred Hitchcock for you. Let's go.

Mike Carlson. He was chomping at the bit i did it on mike a little earlier but good evening yeah welcome to haunt cast and then i kind of lose it haunt cast the fright so it's past the good evening the good evening i have and then it's gone then it's over then i go it just goes right into McGruff. You know what? Let me try to do it. I wrote a little intro. Let me try to do it like Alfred Hitchcock.

Okay, here we go. Okay, great, great. Welcome to Hauntcast the Fright, a podcast about... Note number one, lose the laughing. Sorry, sorry. Scream Pox, hosted by two Disney daddies and one haunted doll. My name is Frightful Gnarleson. So you're still... Oh, I mean, I was...

Hitchcock. Hitch, I mean... Hitchcock. Hitch. They call me Hitch. They called me Hitch, but my name's Mike Frightful Carlson anyway. I don't know where the Hitch comes from. Here, keep going. This is great. I actually didn't have names for...

Jason Skeleton. Welcome. We've got two big Hitchcock boys here today. Okay, well, in that case, let's cut to the chase. Let's get to Hitchcock. Let's get into it. I'm going with Scott Grim Reapner. That's what I'm going to attempt this year.

But everybody, you know, punch up your own, punch up each other's. You seem quizzical about that one. Yeah, I was trying to think if I had done this one yet. Should I try Jekyll Shriekiden? I think you should. I think I've tried

Jekyll, but I was just thinking about Shriek this morning. Jekyll and Jekyll, I think, were the ones I kept trying. There's only one Jekyll, I'm afraid. Sebastian Jackal. We're listening.

Yeah, we talk about Sebastian Jackal of Christopher Lloyd. The character Christopher Lloyd played on UPN series Deadly Games. Of course. That's on the second gate. So stay away from Jackal because that guy, he'll go right through these computer wires and microphone hookups and suddenly he's in your head, man. I do not want him to saunter into

the room with his glass of like semi-flat uh uh sparkling apple juice and just get my ass you know yeah uh yeah and kind of like uh be sinister to you but not really do anything that bad no no take away from that really his his his role on the show which is only slightly longer than alfred hitchcock cameos in the movie yeah it kind of got to to cameo point didn't it um okay well first things first uh welcome to haunt cast the fright uh i'm excited we've begun this again uh you know, we're going to have some fun. Of course, the Haunted Mansion series will step closer and closer as we step closer and closer to the grave. So we'll sit at a similar pace.

We'll at a year by year pace. That'll be the end of the month. Mike has been out haunting again. We're going to hear about some recent... I know it's been a bit... You've carved out the time. You're in a stretch of parenting where it's hard to get out, but you love haunts that much.

You have made it work. We've carved out one fun thing for me to do a week, which is go to a haunt. Luckily, there's a lot of that. It's fun seeing your daughter grow before your very eyes. All that is magical and beautiful. But I'm just talking about extra curricular fun outside of the home.

So, yeah, basically my only fun in that regard is haunts and then going to the toy section at Target. Okay. Like you go for functional reasons, but then like, well, it's on the way. You can't fault me for. Oh, man. Do we need something? We need something, huh? We need.

Are we out of granola bars? Oh, shoot. Okay. Yeah. I'll have you go. Unless you want to go. Did you pump? Did you pump?

So we can. Because if not, I'll probably have to go. Because it's easier. It's so convenient, the baby section. And I don't know what. Sometimes I forget where it is and i have to walk through adjacent sections like really close to it but if anything is babyish stuff uh in there like toys yeah well yeah she needs toys i mean she's a little child oh and little children need toys that is a rule that is what what Dr. Spock said. Is that where is to the Target toy section where you got this Kingo, my favorite character? Let me update this for 2022.

My favorite character in fiction. No, I got that at GameStop, actually. Okay. Oh, gotcha. And I won't lie. It was on clearance. And I said, you know what? That's a really good deal for a little Funko Pop key chain.

So yeah, that's where I got it. This was not a priceless, there's not like lines out the door every day for, do you have a new shipment of Kingo yet? Well, you know, it's a good question because they make a lot of Funko Pop merchandise. So it could either be a limited run and then it didn't sell well

or it sold very well and they made a million of them. So I'm not actually sure. I would be interested to know. I could talk to Funko president Brian Mariotti and see if he has the list of how many they made for all these things. You know the name of the president of Funko? Yes. Griffin Newman and I have texted about this man. Oh, boy.

Dear Mr. Mariotti, I have a new beautiful daughter, and I'm wondering if you can tell me where to track down the young Sheldon variant where he's in his little docent costume from when he worked at a train museum. Yeah, here he is. This is Brian Mariotti. Whoa. He is the chief creative officer, excuse me, of Funko.

He looks like the John Cena of toys. Yes, I think he is the John Cena of toys. But, yeah, you know, we have all these different guys on this podcast, but believe me, the toy world is full of guys. Wow. Yeah, this is what, as soon as I heard the name, and that you're a Gryphon of toys, I'm like, okay, this is an Eisner. This is a Trey Packer. I don't know in terms Titan, I'm like, okay, this is an Eisner. This is a Trey Petty.

I don't know in terms of, I don't know his ethics or whatever. Oh, I don't, yeah, I don't know anything about that. I just, I'm fascinated by him immediately. I haven't done any sort of deep dive. But yeah, he's, I follow him on Twitter. He'll know the answer to how many Kingos were produced, how many Kingo keychains. I don't know if you only do this with Disney executives, but let's try it. Let's cut to the chase.

Can Brian Mariotti get it? He looked pretty handsome in the photo. Let's see him again. Oh, there he is on the screen. Oh, he's got, oh. Yeah. Well, this is kind of your aesthetic, Mike, which is like Rockstar who peaked 18 years ago. That's kind of his vibe. So this is what you regard

as the pinnacle of male handsomeness. That's true. I mean, a lot of the toy guys, so that this is what you regard as the pinnacle of male handsomeness uh that's true i mean a lot of the toy guys again this is a different for a different podcast but a lot of the toy the toy guys have a wide variety of aesthetics so yeah he's got his own unique aesthetic going on here um but yes i i mean i think he's a pretty good looking guy he's got he's got a nice suit on it's got like a checker pattern or what would you call it yeah um i'd wear that suit jason that suit screams uh i am about to con a like 10th round nfl draft pick 18 year old out of 80 percent of their income that's what a suit can say that. A suit says that? Shady sports agent.

I say that's the suit of a man who makes dreams come true by producing high-valued collectibles. Oh, and now, wait. Now, Jordan has slid the screen over, and now we're looking. He's in front of a big C-3PO, and he's wearing sort of a Bill Nye. He's from the Bill Nye collection. He's got a little bow tie. Sort of a fig, you might say, with the pocket squares and the bow ties.

I'm getting a little young Sheldon with that bow tie. Maybe that's why the multiple, do we know how many Sheldons all told there are? Funko Pops? Yeah, yeah, because we know there's two at least. There's classic and there's docent. Like stars in the universe, it's unknowable. Funko Pop wise, yeah, there's two at least. There's basic, there's classic, and there's docent. Like stars in the universe. It's unknowable.

Funko Pop-wise, yeah, there's got to be so many different Sheldon variants, I imagine, with him in just different shirts. Using the word variant at this point in this year to describe, in this case, we've all used this word a lot, and now we're using it to describe how many Sheldon pops there are. It's funny because you say that because I'm equally on the COVID-19 Reddit where they're discussing variants and the general action figure collector where they talk about variants. You actively learn more about COVID than you have to. Yes, that's true.

I still am. Well, you subscribe to different Reddits, and then it's sort of an aggregate of all the different Reddits, and so I've subscribed to it. So when I'm scrolling through Reddit, I will learn about new Ninja Turtle collectibles, and then I will learn about the bivalent booster, and how maybe, when are we getting the efficacy data, you know? When are we going to know?

Because it hasn't had a full trial yet to know exactly how successful it'll be. Do we have the Kalabunga data yet? Do we know how bodacious the new line of turtles are? We do have that data. And the answer is very, the answer is highly bodacious. Have we gotten to 100%?

Because I'm not, I don't know if I'm willing to, I don't know if I'm going to take the time to get the new Donatello if it's not a 100% cowabungas rate. Well, you should not, don't fear on this because these are, these are as perfect

as turtles can get. Shout out to head of Nega Toys Randy Falk, a different guy who I love. Randy again? Randy Falk. But Randy is great because Randy looks like kind of a rock and roll guy. He's like the person we just met.

The other toy guy we just talked about. But a different type of rock and roll kind of guy. He's kind of like a cool metal kind of guy. He's a Vince Neil. He's got long hair. I think he used to be on rock and roll radio. Rock and roll radio? Yeah.

That's something that just came out on Twitter he revealed a few weeks ago. Again, this is a different podcast. I'm doing a different podcast right now, and I want to go back to Hauntcast the Fright. We're one premise of podcast within another premise of podcast. So we'll get through it here. The point is, you're haunting again. But where do we kick this month off? I think there's no better place to do it than with the master of horror, cinema's finest auteur of frights.

That is, of course, Rob Zombie, who directed The New Monsters, which I believe by this point, technically we kicked off Hauntcast the Fright with an episode about that on the second game. We're recording this before we know, before we know how good it is yeah um well i'll just say that there's a uh gulf as big as that fall in saboteur uh off the statue of liberty on some of the movies i've watched lately i see wait so that you maybe have seen rob zombies monsters by this point i you'll hear you check out the patreon and you can hear my saga with Rob Zombie's monsters. Maybe by the time this episode comes out, I will have seen all but the last 20 minutes because I fell asleep. Oh, Jason's saga is that he fell asleep or is there a saga like you lost your password? We forgot your password.

No, no. I didn't. Not a saga in like, oh, mike's going out of town i wonder what a crucial thing is in another state you know okay got it but i feel like uh it's a long lineage of sagas that involve you falling asleep uh yeah that's a pretty standard that's what i call a saga it's not limited like the Skywalker saga that ended. It keeps going and going and going. But anyway, since we've already covered the master of horror,

now we move to a, I don't know, a lateral move or a lesser move to Alfred Hitchcock, who was not just a character in that Anthony Hopkins film from 10 years ago. He was a real man. That's right. And he made some movies. There was a second Hitchcock biopic around that time, too. I think straight to HBO. Oh.

Well, was that about how he was like a big creep? They made a movie like that, too, I think. I think all of them mentioned that a little. Uh-huh. But I think the hopkins one seemed like real oscar baity and that's the bet when something is oscar baity and then they do not take the bait no that's always very funny um it's there's there's a certain type of award season movie where like everyone's like wow this performance is amazing They're definitely gonna get nominated if not win and then you it's like oh, how's the rest of the movie?

And it's like don't worry about it. Don't ask that he put the stuff on his face. What do you want? It does do you care now about what he does in the movie and if it's good look at his face It looks different. Did he try to do was the voice as good as mine? Right, doc. It might have been right in the same neck of the woods. I feel like I saw some of it, but I don't quite remember. That might have been a screener. No, let's talk about the man, and let's talk about the finest work associated with him, the Universal Studios attraction, which probably the title, the main title, you would say,

is Alfred Hitchcock, The Art of Making Movies. Had a couple other titles, but this was an opening day attraction at Universal Studios Florida in 1990, closed in 2003. And a great tribute to somebody who you guys say that you are boys of. Let's talk about your Hitchcock feelings and connections. Sure, yeah. I mean, we were a big Hitchcock family for a few reasons. boys of what it describes let's let's talk about your hitchcock feelings and connection uh sure yeah i mean we were a big hitchcock family for a few reasons one uh the easiest of which was that when nickelodeon started airing the snick block um are you afraid of the dark was on then it kicked over to nick at night and they followed it with Alfred Hitchcock Presents. Oh, they did a little horror tie together between

the formats. Wow, that's cool. And so we like that. I saw a couple of Alfred Hitchcock Presents recently on like MeTV or Antenna TV, one of those channels where you're like, what is this?

But then it's like, this is pretty good. they got interesting stuff um and so i i feel like there that was one reason we like the intros we started watching the movies we like looking out for the cameos and then isn't this by the way this is this is uh this is eisner before i it is eis Eisner before Eisner. A semi-charismatic, semi-bald guy introduces a special movie of the week. Yeah. I think the other reason, well, one, Hitchcock movies are kind of, I didn't want to say they were, my parents knew there wasn't foul language or nudity or violence, which were very verboten in the early 90s. But murder is fine.

Murder and grand theft and that sort of thing. My parents, I think around this time, were both big readers of paperback suspense novels like Stephen King and Dean Kuntz and Sue Grafton and stuff. So those were always around. So I think we could all kind of agree on this. Sure. I didn't get to watch horror movies. I didn't watch a lot. My parents didn't show me a lot of stuff, but my mom did love Alfred Hitchcock.

So even though I wasn't allowed, not allowed, just not even made aware, kept away from, I would say, most of the things I've talked about, like Gremlins or whatever. She still liked the most horrifying snuff film that was Gremlins and Gremlins 2, which is a cartoon. Yes, a literal. A wonderful cartoon. It's fantastic, yeah. She did like Alfred Hitchcock a lot, so she would be like, well, you might be like 9 or 10, but you could watch Psycho.

I would let you watch Psycho because she liked the main ones. So I did see those, and we watched the show on Nick at Night. So, yeah, we liked that. That was great. That was fun. As a kid, I was scared by all of it believe it or not for sure well this it is like a the the attraction itself that they're and you know we'll get into what it was and everything but if you can imagine there's you know a big section related to

the psycho shower scene uh like i do i remember as a kid that it felt risky or especially scary to be like that. There are like a bunch of kids in the room watching the stuff that is, you know, regardless of that, it wasn't actually bloody or whatever. Uh, the scene is still very jarring and I think they, I don't know how they conveyed this, but I think in some sense they tried to make this like a designated a PG 13 attraction. Like they kind of warn parents. Yeah. since they tried to make this designated a PG-13 attraction. They kind of warned parents. Yeah, I mean, you are seeing a live depiction

of a naked woman being stabbed. Yeah, and before that, a 3D version of the strangulation in Dial M for Murder, which is thwarted by stabbing a man in the back with a pair of scissors. Oh, okay. So you get all of that. Yeah, that's all. Whether or not it's what he's actually showing, yeah.

Yeah. It's upsetting for a kid. Yeah, I mean, I guess a lot of the rides would be upsetting for a scared kid, but I'm trying to think, is there anything comparable, like when Universal opens, I mean opens i mean jaws there's blood there's blood yeah jaws is well and when he gets like uh burn up electrocuted that is a like jarring i think i would say a lot on the scale at least certainly compared to disney that a lot of the 1990 universal was edgier scarier i think that um you know something maybe we'll talk about in

the future on a hot, that horror makeup show. Right. Because that has stuff from The Fly in it. And The Fly is a very horrifying kid. A young kid probably wouldn't or shouldn't be watching The Fly. Yes. So, yeah, obviously there's still a little more comfortable scaring kids. But, yeah, back in the old days.

Yeah. comfortable scaring kids. But yeah, back in the old days. Yeah, well, and this one, both suspenseful and a little scary and notable among the opening day attractions because it worked. Sure. No? Yes. The big ticket mechanical Jaws earthquake, King Kong, fraught with problems.

But the shows that were produced probably on a lower budget scale that were clip reliant um were more controllable and those did which i'm so fond of all of that we were debating about which one to do this year because there's that make there's the horror makeup show there's murder she wrote we'll get to all of it but i'm very fond of all of those uh here's how movies are made from yeah from the early 90s it's interesting because this is i feel like this falls in with the lucy attribute too because it's like both of these people were dead for a while oh hitchcock was dead for 10 years before this open so it's like these are almost like nostalgia attractions yeah that were opened i'm trying to think of like an

equivalent i guess it's like seeing max from the Goofy Movie dancing now during these Halloween events or something where it's like that's marketed just to the older people. That probably. Yeah, that must be true. Well, at least some of the classic Hitchcocks probably now in 2022 are as old as Goofy Movie. Yeah. Yes. What? Goofy Movie 95?

Yeah. So, yeah, we're getting almost 30-year anniversary of Goofy Movie. What are you talking about? Shut up. All of you, shut up. Max is a younger millennial. Yeah. We're closer to genuine.

Max has a lot of gigs. Like, he's doing a lot of gigs, and he does freelance graphic design, and he is interviewed in that Business Insider like, good luck, millennials. You'll never have a home, you fuck. Yeah, that was nice to see. Oh, yeah, thank you for taunting us articles once a week. And my trending topics underneath that were like, Disney World. And it's like, well, yep.

That was fine. Well, is it though? Because this week we're recording this. It's probably trending because it's flooding. No, I think I saw it before. I think I saw when it was just like, it's lightly raining and people are in Stor-Long Bay. There are nice, yeah, there is the like everybody's huddled in the hotel and they're putting on nice little like- Skits.

Country bears are hanging out playing in the arcade I saw today. That's fun. They make good things happen. But Universal, the walls got torn up. T-Rex got out. T-Rex got out. They got to clone a new one. Yeah.

I looked. Psycho is 1960, so it's 30 years from Psycho to this. Wow. Attraction opening. So what's the stupidest thing from 1992 that we can say so good question 1992 like baby's kids come out uh it's a little early a little before before too um bad movies 1992 a cool world cool world oh this is something interesting i i think it's i don't like the movie there's an interesting aesthetic to it for sure or like encino man encino man Cool World is something interesting. I don't like the movie.

There's an interesting aesthetic to it for sure. Or like Encino Man. Encino Man, which also is a fun watch, but Encino Man is as old today as Psycho was when Universal flew out. Gee whiz. But I feel like the Hitchcock movies didn't never disappear. Either airing on TV or like early video store classic. And Universal too. As DVDs, Blu-ray,

they have never let these movies dissipate. They re-release them so often. A lot of the Hitchcock movies are on Peacock and the others are like on HBO Max. So you can see a lot of the filmography. Yeah, yeah. And because I'm dumb, I watched Psycho because I hadn't seen it in a long time in the lead up to this. But then I was like, oh, you know what I really want to see?

Psycho 98. And Psycho 2. I'm like halfway through Psycho 2. If you can imagine, I'm having some sleep issues as well when it comes to Psycho 2. But this is a, I mean, we could deal with this more down the road. But I've always wondered what those movies are. And so far, Psycho 2 is a lot of Norman Bates working at a diner. And so he has to keep picking up knives and it's triggering to him.

So it's a lot of him like shaking a knife and not being able to cut a sandwich. I'm trying to think, is it somebody like Quentin Tarantino has some sort of wild opinion that like Psycho 2 is better or something? And I can't remember if that's right. I think for sure the people say the like Omen 3 or Exorcist 3 is good I've said this before where there's like certain beliefs that like some of these there's like outlier sequels because all of these feel like trash yeah real cash in yeah because like what else should be the story of Psycho but like I think there's

like at least some opinion that one of these psycho sequels is good and i forget which one it is i you know two's better than i thought so far i haven't finished it so i don't know where it's going but i'm like you know a solid dennis uh franz performance oh wow what's her name meg tilly is solid i'm like it is not as trashy and stupid um i watched the trailer for four. I got to do it sequentially. So I won't make it to four for a while. But I was curious about that because that's one of the weird Universal Orlando connections to Hitchcock. Obviously the Psycho House is on the Universal Hollywood backlot. But Orlando has or had the house and the motel from Psycho 4.

And you ask, why did they need to rebuild it there when it's in Hollywood and remains in Hollywood? And then it was we were talking, Jason, about how there was that creepy corner of the park. Yes. Where it turns into there's like a there's a weird off park hard rock cafe. But you have to pass by the unsettling fake psycho house to get there this I remember crystal

clear standing looking at the psycho house and that part of the park truly seems like looking back I was staring at a giant Rubik's cube there was a hard rock park very interesting building there was was shaped like a big guitar. Yeah, and you could

enter from outside the park or inside the park. For some reason, something we love. We always loved that. Yeah, and we just blew right by it. None of us, we were more interested in the Psycho House set, my family, and had no

real connection to the hard rock cafe that would be your adulthood that would be a large part of a large uh part i mean every time i go to a city i get the shirt or and i get a pin i gotta jacksonville yeah um so it it holds a weird place in my memory which i think this show in general does, because there is a gag. The gag at the end with the mother, the two Normas. I remember that as clear as day. Do you mean Norman or do you mean the mother? No, the mother.

When there's two mothers at the end of the show. Okay, yeah, yeah. Right. I never forgot that like when i went back to re-watch this because there's a lot of versions of it on youtube yeah i was like that happened exactly i was as i remembered the thing that i misremembered about this show was that the statue of liberty thing is just when you're leaving i thought that was part of the finale too yes it was part of the show in the little mini version in hollywood which it gets confusing because we covered some

of this a little with the special effects stages with carl tart a couple years ago and i don't know what we covered in that so there might be repeating i'm not sure these micro versions they make us figure out and let's add to that complication, Psycho House, off the table, its own episode. Let's micro topic this, which includes also Norman Bates attacking the tram. And by the time we do that, I will have watched all four Psychos. I'm pretty excited. All five. All five, including the remake.

Oh, if 98 counts. What about the Norman Bates show? How long would that run? That ran for a while. Yeah, it did What about the Norman Bates show? How long would that run? Oh, boy. That ran for a while. Yeah, it did. I didn't watch that either. And then, yeah, I mean, there's going to be a little Psycho House Bates Motel talk on when we talk about Horror Nights because they put up a whole thing around there with a new

original universal character. Really? Yeah. So there's a whole new mythology that they've built up. It doesn't really fit with the Bates Motel, but they're repurposing those sets for this. That's some of the coolest, like in the little bit that I've done Horror Nights, that you get to walk right up to the set. Yes. It's so great.

And pass the house. You walk right by the rooms at the Bates Motel, and then you walk up in front of the house. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So they got to use it. I won't say why, but I will say I got yelled at by the Norman Bates Motel, and then you walk up in front of the house. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, and I got it. So they got to use it. I won't say why, but I will say I got yelled at by the Norman Bates. Yeah.

But like for a real reason. Like more by the actor you're saying? Yeah, yeah. The actor knew I was doing something I shouldn't have. It's not crazy, but I'll say what it is when we talk about it. My mother does not approve. Yeah. Before we get to the attraction, I wanted to talk a little about the Universal Hitchcock Association and what made it like now Hitchcock is one of the big franchises that they can bring to Universal Florida when it opens.

So Universal produced the TV show Alfred Hitchcock Presents. So the famous silhouette and the music, that was always under Universal. He had a bungalow on the lot. That was a big thing he always pointed out as a tour guide. And no matter who's in there, I think it was whatever Mark Platt Productions is when I was doing it, the silhouettes on the side of the window. So it feels like part of the Universal Hollywood DNA. And he filmed a lot of movies there. Like The Birds, I think, filmed a ton on the lot. Saboteur, I want to say,

or at least Saboteur was a Universal movie. But not all of them were Universal movies, which is what's a little confusing, that Psycho, which you now associate very hard with Universal was made by Paramount or maybe he might have made it on his own and then Paramount distributed

so it's a little confusing why is there so much Psycho and it's on the lot so you really associate them and I believe it's that so Hitchcock made movies kind of everywhere but then it consolidated at universal at some point like his production company he basically he sold universal a bunch of movies that they did not make uh rope rear window man who knew too much

vertigo a bunch of other ones and i believe psycho and he did this in 1964 and in doing so like in exchange he became the third largest shareholder in mca the parent company of universe so like major major deal i didn't realize he was so invested in it and probably the family's still uh who knows but like at least in 1990 it was like well hitchitchcock is super intertwined with this company. Yeah. We need him. Yeah. He didn't get the Spielberg deal or anything, I guess, because it wasn't a theme park yet, really.

The Spielberg deal. And then he was like, that he still makes money from the park. Yeah. Somehow. But maybe. I don't know. That's going to be interesting. Because there's still stuff of his.

Who knows what exactly the deal was when you sell all of it. And does it still – well, I mean, they still have – all right. So like the franchises they still own in the movies and they're on Peacock, like Jason said. But, yeah, does there any – when you retire the ride, do those benefits – I don't know. Yeah. All the – everyone's standing a different – all the old rock and roll guys

are signing these big deals now for their whole catalogs. But some of them have different – like some of them are just blankets signing over their catalog for a bunch of money. And then the whoever buys it can do literally whatever they want. And then some people are like selling, like Neil Young is like half sold his and he still gets like kind of a say in what's going on with it. And maybe when he dies, the estate will. So I wonder like all these interesting deals. Straight to commercials. Like we've been waiting so many goddamn years to ohio we're gonna embarrass the hell out of him from

beyond the grave cortez the killer in a chili's commercial cortez the killer fajitas old man take a look at your life is that him that's yeah yeah that's him just over an applebee's commercial with like check out father's day's bud light special big bud lights for three dollars take your old man have a look at his life with that's what's gonna happen some chili poppers uh yeah yeah um yeah these are clearly big ticket items all these live it's a little scary like watching everybody cash out oh yeah yeah bob dylan cashed out for what like 500 million like something 500 million or big ticket items, all these live. It's a little scary watching everybody cash out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Bob Dylan cashed out for what?

Like 500 million? Like something 500 million or something, I think. He was one of the first ones I feel like was high profile. But yeah, they're all cashing out right now for just insane sums. So like a horrible corporation can use these now for the rest of time, I guess. None of them should sell the catalogs to Universal because we know what happens when Universal has all the musicians. Master recordings.

Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry. I just have to mention, get well Jimmy Buffett. Whatever happened, he had to postpone concerts for like six months. Oh. Uh-oh. Yeah. So get well Jimmy.

If anything happened, God forbid, suddenly you get the heaviest podcast, The Ride. I don't think we've ever done a 90 minutes of solemn. Oh, we will. Suddenly it's the most solemn. We'll edit out the jokes, if there were even jokes. Well, we might try jokes throughout, and then you kind of like snap at us,

like, hey, cut the shit. Not today. Not today. Or, you know what, maybe then you kind of snap at us. Like, hey, cut the shit. Not today. Not today. Or, you know what? Maybe I'll just do that one alone. We've never done one where I just talk 90 minutes alone. Just need to work some thoughts out. So, no, he postponed some concerts, I think, until March.

Vegas in March. So I guess in March we're going to go back and celebrate the return to the road. Welcome the king back. Yeah, hopefully Deuces Are Wild Tour is still happening then, too. You got any updates on that? Steven Tyler is out of rehab back in Vegas for the Deuces Are Wild Tour. And is it currently happening? Currently happening, yes.

Oh, boy. He's rocking again. Sorry, you're stuck with your daughter. Right. Right now, I'm trying not to get COVID again. So probably not the pit at the deuces are wild las vegas aerosmith residency is the place i should be but you know she can get vaccinated at six months so maybe right the day after all right and shot and mike takes off that's right

i'm gone for like a month needle ignition hey this is good. It's fully strong two hours later, right? No, sir, two weeks. It's like, I can't hear you. I just heard two. Gotta get to Bob Hope Airport. I'm on the phone. You can hear in the background. I'm back in the saddle again.

I'm back. Over the sounds of your weeping. Yeah, yeah. I'm here. Talking about music, I was surprised in this attraction that they don't, I feel like music is a big part of Hitchcock movies, the psycho theme, the North by Northwest theme, and the vertigo music.

And I feel like usually they mention, nowadays if they make an attraction like this, they toss a cursory mention to a collaborator. But I didn't see any of that or no mention of Saul Bass's famous title sequences. The defunct land on this, shout out has the Saul Bass, the defunct land credits like Saul Bass.

I saw that, it's fun. The family said no. It was about one man. It was about the family. Fuck off, Bernard. Fuck off, Harriman. He didn't write these movies. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. We don't hear about writers, really. I mean, what I was driving at maybe with like, so big things happened in 64. One is that merger, and he owns a bunch of the company now. And the other thing is that the Universal Tram Tour opens in earnest. Like, there were ways to tour the studio, but the trams and the big pink glamour trams, that's new in 64. And think about a time before Jaws, before Earthquake, before any of that. What is the biggest thing on that tour?

It's the Psycho House. So that's opening day attraction on the tour which probably cements psycho as being iconic and it's also like the beginnings i think of the universal brand where it's like this is like current recent relevant movies were made here you recognize that set you know it's so well uh and it's a big director that you a regular person know like you know that with the association with Spielberg or Ron Howard or whatever so I feel like Hitchcock and Universal Studios in Hitchcock being so married it really like that's what Universal becomes a little bit and a big another big step in that I feel is the brief era where Alfred Hitchcock became not just associated with the brand, but the face of the brand.

Yeah. This is one of the big things to talk about. I think we were excited to talk about. Don't know when. Sometime in the mid-70s. But he, at least for one commercial, I couldn't find if there were more. Did you guys find? Like, you saw the one.

No, I saw the one. Yeah, I don't know if there was more. I always thought there were that he made a bunch of them but i there was only this one that i could find so he was like he was a colonel sanders for a minute it's fantastic for universal studio like he's he obviously liked the spotlight he liked being mr on camera yeah in the same way that any of these people, even though you'd be like, oh, well, they're just behind the scenes. When you get older, you go,

well, they loved it. Like, he was in every movie. He did cameo in every movie way before Stan Lee was doing it. Way before Taika. Before Taika. I wish Hitchcock would have riffed a little bit. If Hitchcock could have riffed, if he could have mo-capped like a Korg-like character from Ragnarok,

like Thor as a very slow-speaking Englishman who's with him. So that just happened. Awkward. It would be funny. Is that even a thing? It'd be funny to see Thor. Oh, to see oh hold on hold on sorry so sorry okay okay here we go let's go to the floor fly now they see line you know i had to say it i had to cut you off sure no that's fine i was just gonna say a very stoic like jowly thor like Thor, like with the, you know, apple on his head and like the knife throughout the knife, like being thrown right next to his ear.

Yeah. Like in some of those gags. So let's let's get to this. Let's see Alfred Hitchcock himself extolling the virtues of going to Universal Studios Hollywood good evening welcome to Universal Studios where you learn Hollywood secrets music fantastic And now you'll learn the secrets of the six million dollar man and the bionic woman on the Universal Studios Tour. So a lot of that when there was just music playing, we're cutting to all the fun, you know, the kooky characters, the cowboys and Jaws with the big insane teeth that Jaws used to have, and Frankenstein. But then the meat of it is that end, promoting the new.

Yes. I don't even. The $6 million man feels like a different universe than Alfred Hitchcock. Oh, yeah. It's weird to hear him say those words. Yeah, it feels like he. Because when you're a kid, I've said this before, you're even maybe about like exactly the like eras these things were made yeah but alfred hitchcock feels like a hundred years before the six million dollar man so it's funny to see him because you're like oh yeah he was

alive until what eight 1980 he died in 80 but he directed a family plot was like 76 yeah we had like a handful of movies in the 70s he He had some less good movies those last few years. Yeah, I don't think those are as well-read. I've seen Family Plot ages ago. I feel like at different ages, I would get into different Hitchcock things. We watched Psycho when I was younger. When I was in high school, I watched Vertigo.

In college, it was like North by Northwest and Shadow of a Doubt. And then Rope. Oh, in film school, people were obsessed then Rope. Oh, and Film School. People were obsessed with Rope. Oh, yeah, we watched it. We watched it. Yeah.

Notorious? How about Notorious? I haven't seen it. There's a handful I haven't seen. Oh, you would love that. Yeah, I want to see that one. Claude Rains, Jason, your guy. I love Claude Rains.

Your guy is Claude Rains. Hitchcock started so long. He started in silent films, but also he made the 1935 Man Who Knew Too Much. And then he made it again. Yeah, he made it twice. With Jimmy Stewart. I've seen one of those. I think I've seen the Jimmy Stewart one.

When I was listing movies quickly, did I say Man Who Knew Too Little? Does anyone know? It's very easy. Again, because I'm stupid, the Bill Murray movie might be more on the tip of my tongue. That might have passed. Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe in half an hour ago, I said Man in a New T-shirt. I went all and nobody called it out. I'm a little sleepy.

So it's right by me. We'll check the tape. I just, oh, I, boy. Well, hey, I caught it. I owned up to it if it happened. Look, the lifeblood of podcasting is going, calling out when someone mixes up an aphorism or going, how do you say that word? Say that again.

Yeah, because we've done it to you a hundred times. We do it to you every single episode multiple times. So it makes me feel a little better. Junkernot? Chaperoon? Chaperoon, I'm chalking that one up.

I am not the only one who says that. I think that's a regional. Some of it is like, yeah, like a regional thing that I've just never heard. But yeah. Anyway, no,

that happens all the time. Yeah. Excuse me. What did you mean? You motherfucker. I'm getting your ass. What do you mean? You call it a Hasek instead of an Ottoman.

Yeah. Destroy him. You got, I think you said you did that to me in like 2010 or 2009 we were like doing an improv scene you're like what the fuck did you do in the scene literally not known yeah no you need to know to do an improv scene if you suggested an item that i'm not familiar with it was never i i was just a thing i think was just an old-timey phrase a word that stuck around in the family.

And it wasn't until I was much older people were like, what did you call that? What was the word? Do we know? Hasek. No, that Hasek wasn't an improv scene? Hasek versus Ottoman. Oh, that was a real thing. Yeah, this like happened. I never forgot. Yeah. Oh, that happened.

Let me go back to the... Jordan, can you pull up the video again? I'm going to make you... Okay, well, you have one of the frames. Yeah, that happened Let me go back to the Jordan keep pull up the video again I might make you like okay you well you have one of the frames the hop ready that I yes The money so well first things first hearing him say it is weird as it sounds to us It's clearly weird for him to say this six million dollar man Bizarre word distress. Yeah, I hate to cut you off, but it's like, let's see what Gilligan and the Skipper are up to. It feels like he shouldn't be associated with the trash of TV.

Yeah. Is he a love boat? Is he? I don't think he was ever on love boat, but I could be wrong. I am the cruise director. Activities start every day at 8am on the Lido deck. A couple is having quite the marital issue.

It will take a lot of drinks to sell. What's the bartender's name? Isaac. Isaac. Get on it, Isaac. I know that fact more than I know basic geography. I knew you'd have my back on that one. So the frame that we're looking at for

people who are just listening he is like flying and he's clearly flying in this like theme parky where an effect that they can replicate very easily in front of an audience where you you know you fly by just standing straight and then the camera moves you to the next place so seeing this very stilted hitchcock flight is so funny and then when he lands he gives this look he immediately uh breaks commitment and looks off frame like was that it can i stop acting like a fool look how defeated he is he does well i think he likes like talking to camera and being on, but he likes that genteel nature. And I think he felt stupid doing what they made him do.

I think he probably did, but on some level, he still wanted to be a star. Yeah. I could be super. I hear they're making a new Superman. I'm Cal-el. Christopher Reeve is no match for me. I know I'm on death's door door but if they just let me screen test i'm an ailing old creep but i could be superman i uh i i think universal probably owes

a lot of i feel like universal rides with like a little bit of bawdiness and a little bit of bodyness and a little bit of darkness when they work best like i'll toss out like the fake mummy you know unloading sequence and the room burst into fire i think are of a piece with like kind of the comedy in hitchcock does that make sense or like the comedy and like that his intros and stuff and like his weird little jokes. Darkly funny you're saying? Yeah, like darkly funny. Hitchcock movies are horny. They're very horny.

Pretty horny consistently. He's a British guy who nailed the American id. It's like can regular people be pushed to do evil things like murder and also what are they like when they're dangerously horny for blonde white women like he got our ass like he got the republican party platform that's true in 2022 it was also he was living it because he was freaking out what's her name or freaking out is an understatement with tippy hedren or something i think yeah yes abusive i so he was doing kim novak even everyone but his movies are all yeah like his movies are all, yeah, like, his movies are all the universal playbook,

bawdy, violent. Has anyone called Hitchcock's movies bawdy before? Again, Jason just said, I let it slide, but I'm like, we just say bawdy now? He said bawdy, and I have said bawdy. I said baw. I said body for you. When Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window is discussing the brassiere that, what's your name, is working on.

You would call that body. The body is joke. North by Northwest, which I liked in college. Even I at the time of a freshman college was like, come on, man. There's so many gags of him going to kiss the love interest and then a train goes into a tunnel. This happens multiple times in the movie.

I see. I see. I guess that sounds a little bawdy. I got away with it because trains are like the third lead in this movie. I just, I swear the two of you are double-handedly keeping the word bawdy alive in this century. I swear the two of you are double-handedly keeping the word body alive in this century. I think this word is retired, if not

for you two guys. I wonder if Hitchcock ever said it in one of his intros on the TV show. It sounds like a word he would say. It's of his era. Maybe that deserves a Google. I was just looking for his appearance to see if he was on was on like what's my line and stuff he was on like talk shows he's on some weird he's not gonna they're guessing him immediately on what's my you think he can't do a voice you think you

can't hide that voice my name is your Alfred Hitchcock it's Alfred Hitchcock I work in an entertainment sector Hitchcock get out of here. I'm interested in murder. Okay, okay. All right, we know who it is, yeah. Do you, have you considered bleaching your hair? I do see a headline, Alfred Hitchcock's body game with vertigo. So somewhat people have associated Hitchcock

with bodiness before. A hundred percent like their movies are a little body a little body i would say yeah would you agree they were a little body i think so yeah sorry new listeners we're sorry we lost you yeah so if you've turned it off now because of all the body talk we apologize what were you gonna say you were looking up cameos and oh yeah i was just saying i didn't see him on love boat i just saw he was on some talk show you know a tom snyder show he was on but he did not do like a guest spot but this silly him flying around is really so funny oh boy the six billion dollar man uh i wish there were a ton of these and i wish he was still around today to talk about new things on the Universal.

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Is the song when I'm gone from the cups? We're back, pitches. Yes. Albert Hitchcock doing the cups. Albert Hitchcock singing cups. When I'm gone. When I'm gone. You're going to miss me when I'm gone. When I'm gone. Gone. You're going to miss me when I'm gone.

But then it's like the slow clack. Clack. Clack. All right. Well, that song is 48 minutes now. They should just have an actor play him. Why are they not doing that? Let's just have an actor playing him on the commercials.

It would make so much sense to have a walk-around Hitchcock in Universal Studios. If they never did that, they should have or they should still. I haven't seen Lucy walking around lately at Universal, but a couple years ago there was a walk-around Lucy still. There was a Charlie Chaplin. Was there a Groucho maybe at some point? Oh, maybe. I'm not sure. That would, I guess. I guess he seems more famous than Groucho, at least more in the modern sense.

I could be totally wrong. But Groucho was a performer, so it makes sense. Yes. And he did a lot of TV later in life. Well, old Groucho. Old Groucho. He was a totally different guy. Also pretty funny.

We can't talk about old Groucho. Oh, man. I barely need enough people. Old Groucho. Put i barely need enough people groucho gilbert got it on the billets board groucho impression where he was just like so slow by the end he was like such a fast talking guy in all the old movies and then he was just so slow on like johnny carson's like jerry lewis like that's that other era where he's just it's like a different person mothball yeah. Yeah. And I understand your age but then people like live in

that for decades. Yeah. Slow version of themselves. It's wild this way that can swing because like I feel like Orson Wells sounded the same forever. The 30s to the 80s. Orson Wells should have done commercials for Universal. There is a theme park

California theme park. Now they've screwed me on a couple pictures, so I'm going to be up front with you on that. You just find so much weird Orson Welles stuff. There's this talk show that he did. Have you ever seen any of that? We're never getting out of this episode. I know, I'm sorry.

Say what it is. Go, go, go. Orson Welles' talk show that didn't really work, where he's obviously drunk, and I think Jim Henson was on an episode. It's fascinating old Orson Welles clips. had his own talk show yeah i don't remember that one and some of it's on youtube i forget if it's just a pilot or if there's more there is a pilot for like a twilight zone-esque alfred hitchcock presents-esque show he did that is so cool and weird uh and i forget what it's called but it's really good and it's out there

I forget if I'm mixing up with the was Jim Henson or not but for sure it was the Orson Welles show and he's got a big Burt Reynolds on one of the episodes they're wearing matching suits big open black

that's weird as hell in front of just giant photos of Bert. He doesn't have a desk or anything. It's sort of like, what was Merv Griffin like that? Or like a daytime talk show. Why are they wearing the same suit? I don't know if they mentioned it. I can't remember.

Was it on purpose? Or did everyone just wear blazers and then red butterfly color? You got to go home and watch this. You're showing a very intimate shot with a spotlight behind him. It looks like a frame from the Brady Bunch Variety Hour. Like it's Florence Henderson singing a ballad. Days, recording days after Johnny Knoxville

they did a jackass episode of Family Feud and Johnny Knoxville wore the same suit that Steve Harvey wore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's fun. So I don't know if that was the gag or that was just an accident. Everybody in the 70s had the open red shirt,

oh, red dress shirt, and then a suit jacket. Yeah, could have been a coincidence. Anyway, the point is, Hitchcock, incredibly tied to Universal Studios. So by the time Universal Florida opens, 1990, you gotta get him in. And we get this show. Again, Alfred Hitchcock's, I thought Hitchcock, The Art of Making Movies, but alternately called The Art of Alfred Hitchcock or Hitchcock's 3D Theater.

There was a 3D component of this. There was a 3D film that you watched that was one of the scenes of it which I believe I saw somewhere saying this might have been the first 3D movie on universal property so you have this to blame like a dealer giving an 18 year old a taste of cocaine

it's gonna be hooked for life are you crazy of course and it was replaced by a 3D movie as well one of the finest yes this is the space for stellar cinematic achievements because it gave way to Shrek 4D. To Shrek 4D. Shrek 4D. Shrek and Donkey are at...

Somebody once told me the world is not your road to... What is it? Roadie? Somebody once told me the world is going to roll me? Is going to roll... I thought it was the world is not your roadie. That's what I was about to say. No, that's not the lyric.

This MF said this world is your roadie. Go ahead. Blast me. Who are they? Roadie. But here to go in order through this attraction, of course you're outside, you're looking at the famous silhouette, which it was I was in thinking about the silhouette. I was like, if someone drew my silhouette and that's how it looked, I would be furious.

This is what you think of me. I do have kind of big cheeks, so I would be concerned about that. It is like the joke of like the Simpsons joke where Lisa gets the caricature drawn of her on the boardwalk. And it's just like everything, like all the features are accentuated, everything that you wouldn't want. Oh, yeah, she thinks she's ugly. Oh, all the insecurities. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it does seem like perhaps that is. But I think also he's got some say. I think he likes it. He probably likes it. I think Hitchcock likes it. Yeah, yeah. I wish he was alive just so we could ask him, what do you think about the big Ted statue next to your silhouette on the bungalow?

Is that what's there now? I think it's either Ted or it might be like the Hasbro. Like Hasbro might have taken over that bungalow. Oh, there was a Mr. Potato Head at some point. At some point, there's a Mr. Potato Head next to the Mr. Potato Head of 20th century American film.

I think he would be proud of everything that's been made on the Universal lot for the many years since his, you know, I think Hitch should be proud. When I want to relax, I just put on my HD DVD of Evan Almighty. That's the one I went to too because my first summer as a tour guide,

it took over everything. It was all over the lot and we had to talk about it so much. And then over the line and we had to talk about it so much. And then it came out and we had to talk about it so much. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Psycho. Strangers on a train. There it is. There's a

Hasbro bungalow. Wow. I didn't make up a Mr. Potato Head which is weird because Mr. Potato Head's at Disneyland as we know or a funny adventure. But he's at Disneyland, as we know, or Yeah, that's a good point. or a funny adventure. But he's owned by, his movie rights for his own solo movies. Well, and remember, Scott and I stumbled upon the Potato Head kids recently as well.

Oh, yeah. A cartoon that I did not know existed. Yeah. You haven't watched it since? You haven't been to it? I haven't watched it since, but there was a cartoon where Potato Head had a bunch of kids. Wow.

It's like in the 80s. And they all look like turds. Oh, I haven't watched it since, but there was a cartoon where Potato Head had a bunch of kids. Wow. It's like in the 80s. And they all look like turds. Oh, I remember this. Yeah, I kind of remember seeing the turds of this. The turd kids. Oh, it's that turd kids show. Anyway, you get inside, and there is a – I remember the lobby. I remember the lobby very strongly.

There was this big collage, not just a flat collage, but very 3D. This is like, I had to be there to remember. I have this faint kid memory because I was scared by it. It was black and white with hints of color. And then there's film reels with all the names of all of his movies, but then kind of surreal, grotesque stuff. Like here's big chattering teeth or a big spiral swirl or like big handcuffs or a big spiral swirl or

like big handcuffs and a big crazy hand this was neat I remember and I remember thinking it felt very Nickelodeon and then I was looking into it and this sculpture collage whatever you want to call it was made by somebody named Diane Stapleton who was the

art director of Roundhouse and Wienerville. Wow. So, like, I guess worked in Orlando. And so, like, yeah, because it felt like that double dare aesthetic, like a big, crazy, moldy hand where you felt that somebody just made it themselves. Cut me off after 45 seconds here, but I saw Wienerville live. I saw Mark Wiener perform live at a racetrack. A racetrack?

But that's too far away. Racetracks have terrible vision. I couldn't see very well. Visibility. But if you know what Wienerville is, it was a weird show with a guy who put his head through a little hole and it would make characters look like they were tiny. Yeah, I liked it.

It made me a little anxious because I think I bought into it too much. You thought it was real? Well, I was like, they're going to turn the studio on members back, right? They can't just leave them like that. How old were you? Too old, Michael. You know what he's talking about?

Too young to watch Psycho. Too old to believe the logic. He puppetified people, you're saying? Yeah, well, you would be standing up, and then it would look like you were shrinking down. Because you'd put your head through a hole to make it look like. Because you'd put your head through a hole. Like this.

Yes, yeah, yeah. Like a Wienerville, of course. But they would say so much, like, we're going to Wienervi- Probably not that. It was Wiener-fied? They would turn you into, we're going to turn you into a thing, and I'm just like, oh, my God. Was it Wiener-fine? Probably not that. It was wiener-fine? They would turn you into, we're going to turn you into a thing. And I'm just like, oh, my God. Was it wienerize?

The word wienerize is like spurting out of the distant recesses of my brain. Impossible. Well, we'll do a Wienerville episode. Sure. Again, I don't want to get off, again, too many tangents today. Yes. So to get in, anyway, I just remember, I remember this entire thing, by the way, just being so moody, feeling very adult. I probably saw it when I was nine years old and I felt I was just like scared by all of it, but also impressed by it.

And I love I think on in both the Hollywood, the mini version and the bigger one in Orlando, I think they did a good job of like, here's a little film school lesson that theme park tourists can access and go, oh, that's cool. So that's how he did it. Yeah, I did not see this. I didn't go to Universal until I was older. We were still like brand loyal for some weird reason if we went to Orlando. Even though my mom loved Alfred Hitchcock,

it wasn't like, oh, there's an Alfred Hitchcock and we should go over 25 minutes away to go to this thing so I'm seeing it all for the first time but I'm sure we would have gone nuts for it I'm sure if we had seen it so you didn't see it in person or maybe later no I never saw it I just okay yeah I did not see it in person uh yeah I a few times I think I was surprised um that it stuck around till 2003 it lasted 13 years because I could not remember seeing it in high school. But I can't think of, I feel like 2001 or 2002, my family, me, my dad, and brother would go stay at the Hard Rock and do Universal for a few days and then just drive over to a couple days at Disney.

And so we were at Universal for a few days and then just drive over to a couple days at disney and so we were at universal for a while and i can't imagine not seeing this if i was there for a couple days you know yeah i think i i think i went and it was still kicking when i was like 14 or so um yeah and it i don't know held up cool and here we're getting towards like you talk about like believing things like jason and Wienerizing. You know, I mean, feel free to call it anything that you liked in that in the 3D movie, which he says something at the beginning like this is the best of Hitchcock. And then you get a big, you know, pile of like iconic moments or at least the ones Universal had had access to, which is most of them. But they build up that Dial M for Murder was shot in 3D, and it had never been screened in 3D because 3D was kind of a trend that had lapsed at that point.

So they only, they theatrically released the flat version, but this 3D print existed. So I think that the guides or whatever would say, here for the first time even though it's done every day in the theme park you get to see dial in for murder the way it was shot so that's what this big montage builds up to uh which you were describing it's like so there's a strangulation and yes i well first off it is a long montage and i think at the time seeing little set piece moments from movies was uh you know it was a bigger pain in the ass to track down all these movies you know so it was more

novel to see them all again even if you get them in syndication or and then in a in a nice theater in a nice theater good quality um footage and um uh but there's a couple things i really like going on here there's the dial in for murder 3d but um uh which is is wild that that is just in there but then uh it pretty much the main 3d thing seems to be setting up the birds joke where it gets cut off you don't really get to see the full ending of dial him for murder yeah yeah and i gotta say there's another trick in there where he says it's time for the main attraction put on your glasses you know put on your glass so they show a bunch of shots with characters in glasses in hitchcock movies but when he says it's time for the main attraction there's like multiple shots from the birds

so they tell you what's coming you just don't know it okay sure it's like a little secret trick uh-huh uh-huh they subliminally remind you yeah birds are coming uh yeah because what it builds to is that you're watching this 3D movie and then it starts to

sputter out is there like that sound kind of pitch bends and then the film burns out and there's just nothing on screen or to wait. Well, I guess the big thing is there's like a giant rip. Yeah. All of a sudden through the screen and then becomes birds chaos. The bird, the famous birds take over this space and you see back to what's behind the screen, which is this big kind of implied soundstage sort of space.

And yeah, you speak of the Doug gremlins too, was just brought up, uh, other prominent thing where, where film breaking happens. I would always buy this. I would,

it would scare the hell out of me anytime. I mean, still I, like it is a very like, apparently the projectionist, the first time this was screened, thought something was wrong. Like, he bought it. So this is great. In a 3D movie setting, the film burns out,

and then a bunch of animals attack you. Like, very chilling to me. I loved this thing. Yeah. And Kevin touched on it in the defunct land like tippy hendren's daughter bought it when she first saw it she was like oh fuck the like she was startled uh there's also very funny that once the screen rips down and there's the fake soundstage behind it they do some classic 3d this girder is coming right at you girder is coming right at you. This pipe is coming right at you.

Soundstage stuff. A big old pipe. Yeah. It gets a little silly the longer it goes. I think it's very chilling when it starts. And just haunting, seeing these birds kind of slow motion fly towards you. Which is, I'm sure, a big pain in the ass to shoot.

They show it in the Animal Actors show. You've got to get a fan out to keep them mid-flight like into where you could focus on it um but then like all right what would a bunch of birds really like make lights fall and then the lights spark and people fall off ladders i guess birds are like like in the movie the birds are throwing themselves into like you know the phone booth and killing themselves yeah so i guess if they're hurling themselves at lights i guess it could maybe knock a light off why do the birds they're not like special birds in the birds right it's just there's just too many of them yeah what is the plot of the birds i don't think it's ever adjusted it's like it's not no

there's got to be a reason they didn't like uh like fly by like an overturned truck that had a secret cocaine shipment in the like in the undercarriage that's what i'm asking are the birds on cocaine the birds 1964 on cocaine no it's not like a modern film where it's like how did the monsters get spot or like how did Herman and Lily meet? How was Herman created? How was Herman created? I don't know if there was a scene where the

birds all snorted cocaine it was cut and they didn't bring that back for the theme park version keep talking I'll find it it gets so silly what happens like a fire starts and the lights are crackling. But then that turns into fireworks. And so then it's like nice magic of movies, fireworks.

And the final bird that flies up towards the camera morphs into the famous Hitchcock silhouette, which has a confusing message to me. But the bird was hitched the whole time. It was a big pain in the ass. Caused chaos wherever he went. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like pecked at people. Yeah.

Oh, wow, Jason's right. There's no real reason. There's no real reason. It's like North by Northwest. I apologize. They're like, we've got to get the documents. Clown on me for saying that was Rhino. Fucking asshole.

Okay, good. You thought the birds were a spell? You thought there was a reason? You thought there was like polluted water or something? That's a cool thing about it.

I don't know. Something's happening with birds. I think executives were like nervous about, like there were multiple things where it's like,

how are we gonna film this psycho book? Like, how is we going to film this psycho book? How is he going to do this? I believe an early marketing gimmick of like, don't learn anything about this movie, just come see it. And I think the first round of crowds who saw it were like, holy shit, we're freaking out. Because of the twist, yes.

Well, the twist and also that music sting with the shower sequence is very jarring the first time you see it. And the character, spoiler alert, killed off. Who's presented as the protagonist. Yeah, that was crazy. That was one of his big twists. It's like the start of Executive Decision where Steven Seagal dies

really quickly. Have you ever seen Executive Decision? Oh, you'd love it. Oh, man. Kurt Russell. Oh, I just watched Breakdown for the first time. I've never seen that. I haven't watched Breakdown. You should check out Breakdown.

Well, this confirms I'll keep going into Kurt Russell. I've never watched Backdraft for all the... I didn't watch it when we did an episode. I haven't either. I could not remember if I had ever seen the ending of this. So we watched Get Out the other day, which does feel very Hitchcock. He's Mr. Universal now. Yeah, Jordan Peele's Mr. Universal.

He kind of took the spot. He really did. He turned out to be the current director face, I guess. We walked through again. We'll talk about it later. But when you're walking around, you walk right through Nope slash Us-iverse. Oh, this is a good chance to talk about, because we didn't really talk about the Nope set that got added to. Yeah, so we'll talk about it on the Horror Nights.

Great, great. Yeah, you walked through a big one. You walked through that. Well, let's move over to the Psycho Room, because that's where you're at. After you watch this montage, you try to get the birds out of your head, but then there's more horrors awaiting you because there's an indoor version of the psycho house and a sputtering Bates Motel sign. And this is kind of a combo of clips

and demonstration stuff, but I think it kicks off with Anthony Perkins himself yeah in walking out the step or walking out the door of the iconic house welcoming you in and then the mother from upstairs yells no I tell you they won't be feeding their ugly appetites with my food or my son. In a Psycho rewatch, this struck me as one of the sillier elements of the film, that the mother is a cartoon witch. Yes. No, boy!

They could have made that just a reasonable older lady's voice. It also is not a voice that I can imagine Norman Bates doing. Right. Like, that's a crazy, he's like the master of, he's like Terry Fader. I was going to say Mark Weiner. I was going to say another. Great puppeteers. Yes, that's true.

I mean, I think people, you would probably argue that the first, up until Janet Leigh getting killed, that's the best part of the movie, is that whole sequence where she's on the run, in it's so suspenseful all the driving all the driving all like checking in norman and then the rest of the movie's like good but it's the tension's sort of gone a little bit gone there yeah yeah obviously there's still a twist coming at the end there is the scene with the private investigator who the remake is. William H. Macy. Detective Arbogast.

Arbogast. That was my favorite part in rewatching. It was the boy. Whoever. I know the old actor is Viggo Mortensen in the new one, but getting out of the car and Arbogast being mad at Arbogast. Yeah. Arbogast. Whatever.

Also, there's a Ted Knight, Ted Baxter cameo at the end of the first psycho. What? Is he one of the guys? He's just working in the jail. Wow. He's just hanging out. I don't even know if he has a... He might have one line, but he might not.

I never knew that. Yeah. The overhead shot when the detective walks up the stairs and they shoot it overhead in the hallway and Norma just full speed runs at him. Yeah. He's terrifying. Yes, that's terrifying. That rivals the earlier stuff.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying that first chunk, it's almost like, what, WALL-E, where the first part of WALL-E is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think the second one got me as a kid. I'm like, oh, they're not going to do that again. And then they do, and it's such a disorienting angle.

And then it's kind of cartoony how he falls down the stairs. That didn't age as well. story ending angle and then it's kind of cartoony how he falls down the stairs that is that does not that didn't age as well that i watched the making of the gus van zandt 98 psycho where william h macy's talking that out with him and like well because i remember in the first one it looks a little silly so we're gonna do it a little better and gus is like no no no no it's still special effect shot for shot so we're gonna kind of okay And you can tell Macy's like, your funeral, bud. I'm getting a paycheck. It reminds me of in The Batman. The Robert Pattinson Batman.

There's a scene where the Riddler just brains a guy, and he just runs full speed at him and goes, ah! Like he's in a dark apartment. And it's just the most unsettling thing. And I was watching it in the dark alone. And I was like, Jesus Christ, is the whole movie going to be like this? You got afraid? You were afraid of the Paul Dano?

No, he just does his guttural scream. I'm trying to remember. I've seen it, but I can't remember what part you're talking about. I think it's the mayor. I think it's when he's I think he's watching the news and then the Joker or the Riddler just silently appears behind him and then runs full speed at him.

Oh, I remember that scene, yeah. And it's terribly unsettling. And that they don't do again in the movie, I don't think. In the Batman. The Batman. Right. Yeah. Our modern masterpiece is Modern Hitchcock.

I liked it. It's very very long but i liked it i they try to do a lot of it's a few movies it's a few issues of a comic book um so this thing you're like then you're kind of bouncing back and forth like you get a it's a great it's a classic early 90s universal walk and talk hi i'm anthony perkins when we did this he's a great it's a classic early 90s universal walk and talk. Hi, I'm Anthony Perkins. When we did this, we wanted to. He's very good. It's great to see. He's very good. And nice to see him in sort of like, you know, genteel Phil Hartman, like, you know, being that he's iconically such a creep.

Although he's like she has his own like charming. That's that's actually a mistake of the Vince Vaughn thing is that he's like weird and ticky and tugging his shoulder the whole time. And whereas like you could see how the original Norman Bates would kind of lurry in. Yeah, because he saw like he seems wholesome and innocent. That's what Norman Bates charm was. Had a hard life, Anthony Perkins. Put himself in conversion therapy. Whoa.

I did not know that. He was not. He was gay. He was actually Stephenven sondheim and him worked together i think only one time but he was kind of sondheim's muse for a while and they were very close um but they made this movie called the last of sheila that i watched a few months ago and it's awesome it's like a whodunit uh uh kind of movie and it's got james mason and like a very young ian mcshane like it's in the

1970s and you're like i was like who is that they're so familiar i can't place it and it fucking ian mcshane wow wow um but yeah last of sheila check it out that's a great movie um but yeah he's like super like dapper Sherman and you gotta like like the real guy playing the even though he was he passed away not long after this right this was Seek of the Sad Life early tragic AIDS death but he fit this in and I like seeing this in the Hollywood version they repurposed this part and this is where you get between him and the in-studio crew who are going to recreate the shower scene for you you get great legit good uh like classic universal factoids about this you get a little mini film school which i liked as you know but this hitchcock stuff was gone by

the time i was a tour guide but it was always recommended it's like hey if you get stuck by the psycho house you can go into these facts and i like the classic facts the blood was chocolate syrup uh the like well this isn't a fact but the joke that the scene that drove thousands from the shower to sponge baths kills every old vhs rip of this online that joke kills no you're you could get stabbed doing a sponge bath too that's true yeah it's still in the tub it's not the shower part of yeah you can hide razor blades in that sponge you know god that's horrifying yeah scary taste secret blade stop it the twisted mind this seems like some twisted idea out of the asylum that is Blumhouse.

But then you, the legit cool fact, and probably the main thing they're demonstrating, is that the knife never actually enters the skin of Janet Leigh, and that this is all done, it's really left up to your imagination. You fill in the gaps. And that's cool. And it's cool that up to your imagination. You fill in the gaps. And that's cool. And I think it's cool that they take you through the angles and they recreate some of the angles because this is the epitome of like perfectly chosen whatever it is. These 15 shots or whatever and what like what poetry they are. And then the only appeal of that 98 Gus Van Zandt is like well it'll be interesting to see the shots again even though he put in weird that she there's like psychedelic shit when her eyes kind of it's not

good it's so not good yeah it's like yeah the same thing that's the only appeal of when Weezer did the Africa cover it's like we may as well hear the music again I would yeah yeah I think I would I still like I had more fun watching 98 psycho than than listening to I never made it all the way through uh that's because that's sacrilege to me right right my good actors uh steering that ship they do you well what you end up with is a scene the very last scene has Philip Baker Hall and Robert Forster, greats who have passed on. You're like, wow, they filmed together. And they refilmed that shitty end scene where everything is over explained to you

and it maybe only confuses things more. So you're like, wow, is this the only time Forster and Philip Baker all were together? Was this crap? Hmm, that's a good question. At least they got one. I think that was, yeah, yeah. At least they got one.

But they're not even really in the same shot even. It's just... So was, yeah, yeah. At least they got one. But they're not even really in the same shot, even. It's just. So anyways, like this demonstration. And then did you guys find the trivia about the Janet Leigh in this show? Oh, who played her? Yeah. Uh-huh. No.

We got a picture. Jordan, do we have a photo of a woman in, you know, we're looking at here. Oh, wow. Wow. In skin-colored shower suits. Cheryl Hines. Young Cheryl Hines. have a photo of like a woman in you know we're looking at here in in uh skin colored shower young cheryl hines apparently fresh out of university of central florida oh that's jane's alma mater whoa wow and then went to went to work at university i'm glad i also worked at university pipeline crazy yeah well there you go well she can, she can look at Cheryl Hines as the path from Central Florida to Universal Orlando.

And then she's with an anti-vaxxer. Are you talking about Cheryl Hines' real-life husband? Is that what you're referring to? Yeah, I've kind of heard of this. Robert Kennedy. Yeah, right. Junior. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not the first one. Junior I mean the first one might still be alive

that's a different thing they're all still alive all the Kennedys are alive there's one more photo let's just put it up to say we did it see look there it is in the press kit she said it was a bizarre job you're taking showers in fake nudity in front of tourists.

And then, like, I couldn't find video of her doing it. But the other, it's a weird, like, little mini scene within all this. If you watch the video, we're like, she's mad at the crew that is doing, that has to recreate Psycho every day for some reason. She's, like, complaining at them. Yeah, all of that. It sucks. Because, again, I had not seen this in person. So I'm watching the video, and Anthony Perkins is there,

and you're like, he's hitting the right mood. It's a little scary, but it's a little informative. He nails it. It's good to see. The music is good. Then it's like, hey, here comes the performers. And you're like, oh, God. These Orlando guys in shiny jackets,

kind of like the Carl Wilson jacket I like, but it has the silhouette of Hitchcock on the back. Yeah. And I don't care that the fake director and cameraman and fake Janet Leigh aren't getting along while doing this. Yeah, and she's like, why do you think I'm upset? Everyone's just going to be looking at me and saying, Janet Leigh looks better.

And you're like, why is this weird? They're having a domestic dispute. Yes, there's one version I saw online where there's a lot of jokes between her and the director like, is this about last night? And then it's like, oh, it's cold in here. And he goes like, yeah, just like last night.

And I'm like, this must be the chunk of lines where they said you can improvise. And that improv would go on to serve her well later in her career yeah that's where she learned it's not necessarily the performance fault i'm sure that's sort of like the the directive they were given but it's completely tonally off yes like what the mood they've set up and now you're just getting like bickering people you've never heard of and it's like it just doesn't that's the one drawback that's the one

thing i don't think i love i would agree i had no memory of it it's a well-designed room it's a great little sequence that anthony perkins and then yes this bickering does not match you know when you're talking about a director known for like uh like just a sparkling dialogue tightness yeah yes yeah interesting filmmaking um i will say the like so after they show you both sides of like the how they shot the scene and then there's like a switch at some point where one of the crew members puts on the dress and like the to be mother fencing face i in the oh yeah whatever like shadow face they have to put yeah in the perkins one i i i believe he says um they had to blacken the stand-in's face and i'm like oh they

would have massaged that line nowadays that that doesn't sound great but perhaps it's just a mask it's so like at some point they swap and then that mother starts going after the director. You think that the audience volunteer has lost it and is starting to stab everybody and chase them around the set. But then there was a little fake-a-roo pull back of the curtain and it was the director of this little show. It's a great gag. That I think is totally correct. Well, that's that's their true they're already like

feeling the it's the we've talked about a Universal's basically shifted almost completely around the like making of a movie and showing how it works and we're just doing it now you're just in it and it doesn't matter we're not gonna yeah yeah in the scenes but you can feel already there's a pull of like when we

should give everybody we just scare them more mm-hmm yeah so they throw that in there in between. It's a little bawdy. It's a little outrageous, you know? There's a shower happening. Something goes wrong. An early example of something is going wrong in this presentation. That's true, yeah. So, yeah. This is like a superstar television. Yeah.

MGM Studios a little bit where you get the person up and then there's a little high there's hijinks and it's got a lot of the stunt show features of like fake person that you think is a person from the audience. You kind of making the making a fool out of the like. Yeah. Even the reveal of like, hey like hey look your dad's dressed like an old lady now you're right exactly this is another one humiliate dad wins every time and this was a hallmark of the 90s attractions yeah yeah uh dear penthouse forum i was cucked by the universal studios florida resort destination i just made to look a fool. Is there any, we've said it before,

is there any attraction now that is humiliating to add? That's all about humor. I don't think, I mean, other than like just the star tours or something, but not specifically. The only thing you can do to humiliate him, I guess, is buy him like the grumpy shirt that says, like, I'm an asshole. I'm an ad grumpy asshole. I gotta get one of those now.

Less attractive grew. I gotta to get one of those now. Less attractive grew. I got to get some of these shirts now. I realize now I can buy them and wear them proudly. Full dad shirts. Like the Donald. We've talked about this before. They sell dads the Donald shirt and grumpy because they're both jerk characters who don't want to be at Disney World or Disneyland. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Are you going to be able to settle into that type? You this hours of you on record saying that you like being a theme parks well i'll try maybe it'll feel too weird and i'll have to remove the shirt and buy a different one you have started drinking coffee in the last year that's so you can get the grumpy like don't talk to me until i've had my morning coffee you know okay i Okay. Yeah, I'll do that one. Start doing it. You've got a whole new world of T-shirts ahead of you. You've got to size up. You've got to size up one or two sizes with those ones.

They need to look like a fucking sail on a sailboat. Those grumpy. Well, thick Hanes, beefy T, thick beefy T, but like two sizes too big. Yeah, why is dads are so humiliated in the theme park shows to have to wear a dress but their t-shirts are big dresses that's true they don't even put it together they don't even know you're in one you changed one for another one a shirt with like an angry looking stitch on it that says like my kids don't give me a minute's peace

just a real the next step will be if they can customize. Put my children's names in this angry. Ohana means family. Family means don't wake dad before 10 on the weekends. We need shirts that keep going to the back. There's more complaints on the, here's some other gripes I got. The fire,

when I wife looks me in the eyes, the fire is gone from her vision. That's just got a very cold-looking Merida on it. Crossed arms. Okay. We've talked about Hitchcock being bad to the actresses. And we talked about these often repeated bits of trivia. This was for sure a thing I was supposed to say as a tour guide or that I could say that part of one of the things that made it so unsettling and that made Janet Leigh's performance great

was that Hitchcock would change the temperature of the water without telling her that it goes from warm water to ice cold. And then that caused terror and shriek and surprise. Yes. But I watched some DVD making of the shower scene where Janet Leigh denies this and even calls out. She says, now, I don't know what they're telling people on the Universal Tour, but let me just say this for the record, that that did not happen. They never used ice cold water. And in fact, that was very well taken care of because it was extremely like she describes it all.

How like, you know, the final shot is her dead with the like starting from very as close to the eyes you could possibly get in the water. And they had to do that so many times because, like, it was manual focus. Like there was no way to, like, keep the focus. So, like, she's there slumped over for hours, and she said everybody was a gentleman, except for the crew members way up in the rafters who she said, I think they brought more crew members in to look at me every day. Yeah, sure.

To ogle for the – Interesting. I wonder, I'm sorry, I wonder how many people would object to like, if they went to just like watch you do your tram tour speech, would Paul Giamatti have had an objection of the Big Fat Liar portion or something? Because I wonder how much like movie fact is not fact. There's a lot of, you know. When I said he was very verbally abusive to all the children i don't know why i

went out of my way to say that this character assassinate yeah yeah i mean a lot of yeah a lot of the hitchcock stars you know older stars make appearances like in this attraction or at least like yeah that story about tippy hendren staller which i do which could be melanie griffith oh right i don't know she had a sister i just saw the the phrase uh tippy hendron's daughter which i do which could be melanie griffith oh right i don't know she had a sister i just saw the the phrase uh tippy hendron's daughter so the line is tippy hendron melanie griffith dakota johnson wow what a lineage yeah yeah um and then they were all that was the family that lived with the lions for that weird movie that was way worse than anything hitchcock ever did to anybody yeah and chose it, I think.

The old Jimmy Stewart is really something in his post-show segment. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they got Jimmy Stewart. Old Jimmy Stewart, again, on talk shows, fantastic. Really good. So slow, you read a poem about his dog. Jim Carrey, I think he did that on Saturday Night Live,

that is a bit, once. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Joe Pesci Show, was it? Oh, yes. I think it was a Joe Pesci Show. Speaking of anti-vaxxers. But in a theme park context.

Not Pesci. Pesci, we don't know. No. In a theme park context, so you've got the Statue of Liberty scene from Saboteur, a carousel, which I think is Strangers on a Train,

but there's also a carousel in Shadow of a Doubt. And then you have a city like like you know apartment buildings from rear window that you can stand with binoculars and jimmy stewart is telling you did you find the murderer yet they might have found you like i was like that is insane to think about six-year-old me with binoculars going like, there's a lot of things going on in these apartments. I hope the murderer doesn't see me. You're looking at murder and there's women in their underwear instead of that. That's a body sequence.

There's a rear window. Oh, speaking of Brian Mariotti, Funko is making a rear window board game, I saw. What? Yeah. Funko is in the board game space now. I like that you still chose, you didn't say speaking. Funko is in the board game space now. I like that you still chose. You didn't say speaking of Funko. You said speaking of Brian Mariani.

Which we were a long time ago. Three hours ago. Look at Rear Window Board Game. Jason, look at this. Wow. Yeah. But wait, it's the actual poster art art and stuff okay so they're not funko fine it's not a funko fight oh right right no no there are funko games i have a seinfeld funko

game as well that i haven't played yet where there's like funko fight versions and that thing i got you was funko gave me the full yes the seinfeld set in funko which is so awesome. Thank you, Brian Mariotti. This last room I liked so much. I like this crazy, surreal, as with the opening collage or whatever, that here's like a bunch of, like, wow, there's a rear window and a carousel and a big Statue of Liberty torch all in one space. Like, that felt like being in Hitchcock's mind where here's big icons. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, yeah.

That's almost like Batman. Batman and the Batcave in certain versions has a big penny, big two-faced penny, and a big dinosaur. It's like stuff he's collected and it feels like this is the same thing Hitchcock's artifacts from the movies. Yeah, and it bled into the Bates Motel,

like a gift shop as if it was at the Bates Motel, which is a gift shop. Also a pretty good gag. And yeah, that that Bates Motel. I mean, they still sell Bates Motel stuff here and there. But I remember after it closed, a bunch of it showed up at the like there's a store in the New York streets.

And I'm not sure what it is right now. A few years ago, was like irish stuff you know and before that uh and maybe at the same time it was all the clearance merchandise and so i remember going there and being so excited that day i was like i'm gonna get a baseball hotel keychain it does say lisa on it but it's also $2, so I can't be too picky. You bought not your own name? Yeah, I bought not my own name. Yeah, I was a cool guy in high school. What do you want?

Did you show it off, though? Because that is ironic to not have your own name on a keychain. Yeah, I think that was part of it. That was a very funny gag for 17-year-olds. Like, look, I got a keychain with someone else's name. I think it was rectangular, and I think the ends were metal and pointed. So I was like, this isn't practical as a keychain, but I'll keep it in my little souvenir box. When Kmart was going out of business, we went there a couple times a week, and I remember I bought these yellow sunglasses.

And I was like, you know what I'm doing now? I'm wearing these every day, 24-7. Yeah. This is my thing now. And yours was the Lisa keychain. Lisa keychain. Me and some friends were like walking through Sears ones. They had clearance like socks, like teen socks. And we were like, let's get matching Hottie Patrol socks.

Oh, wow. That's too bloody for me. So Hottie Patrol socks, Bates Motel Lisa keychain. And you in yellow sunglasses. Everybody's in their best. I mean, we've got a couple of fucking quarterbacks right here, a couple of prom kings. That's no denying that.

Look at this motherfucker. He can't even say denying. He can't say denying. He fucked up. I'm sorry, everyone. No, this is gold for misspeaking. Classic misspeaking. There's one thing I want to go back to. I know we've been going forever, but I can't let the episode pass without bringing this up.

This is back in the Psycho sequence, and this is one of the things that Anthony Perkins talks about where he this is a quote that he he kind of like interrupts the the live demonstration and so you can give some expertise because he was Norman Bates right and uh he says well he wants to say a little of what made that original scene work and I think it goes on to make the point that the knife never entered her skin and here's why and in setting that up he explains how this you know could have been a lot more grisly and what he says is uh you see psycho was based on a real murder case years later they made a much more graphic film based on the same case it was called the texas chainsaw massacre but hitchcock felt the violence of the crime was just too horrible and thus you know it was it was tame and the audience fills in the the gaps i was

like i never heard of this the same thing is psycho and texas chainsaw massacre um now uh so i'm all right let me let me figure this out and here's the the big crazy reveal uh there's a fella named ed gein oh ed gein you know ed gein i know yeah. You know Ed Gein. I know Ed, yeah. You know good fella. The Butcher of Plainfield, the Plainfield Ghoul. Sure. I didn't know any of this. That the same guy, there's elements of Norman Bates in Psycho, Leatherface in Texas Chainsaw Massacre,

and Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs. Wow. Like real things pulled from this one guy. One man is all of these wow monster like lawn chaney but real every monster uh um now i'm going this you you've you've heard a little about ed gein i'm sure that i didn't know any of this because this is not my area true crime and stuff i'm sure there is a podcast there's probably a podcast that's all about ed gein well i want to know what does ryan murphy have to say about ed gein and uh now I'm sure there is a podcast that's all about Ed Gein. Well, I want to know, what does Ryan

Murphy have to say about Ed Gein? Now I'm going to put a blindfold on and throw a dart at a dartboard starring Adam Devine. Okay. Ed Gein. Netflix limited series produced by Ryan Murphy starring Adam

Devine. Money, please. I think maybe I saw that there's something from an American horror story that's also Ed Gein inspired. I'm sure. So yeah, he might have beat you to it. But just in wrapping my head around Ed Gein, okay, so Middle of Nowhere, creepy house, incredibly crazy, crazy religious mother. Sex is evil and women are instruments of the devil.

This was instilled. And things don't get too crazy yet. I was going to say, this is the way all three of us were raised. And we haven't killed anybody yet. No, we haven't done that. So far, it's okay. But anyway, then he might have killed his own brother when they were younger because there was a fire and he went and told the police my brother i lost him in the fire and then

they came to the fire and said well what happened he said well he's right there like why do you know now um so maybe shadily killed his own brother and then his mother died he put the word mother on the tombstone so that's real and then so the fixation with mother and wanting to dress up like her that's a real thing then you go to Texas Chainsaw Massacre which I've never seen I should see it but I'm told

that there's furniture made out of human skin and bones yes I believe so alright so that's this guy he did that he made furniture out of skin and bones? Yes, I believe so. All right, so that's this guy. He did that. He made furniture out of skin and bones. And then, to bring Silence of the Lambs in, the woman suit, the skin suit.

Right, right, right. That is him, and that's him trying to be his own mother. Isn't that weird that Norman Bates and Buffalo Bits, two of the crazy, and that, like, they just didn't go crazy enough. Like it wasn't just a wig. This guy fucking. I like you're delivering this as if it's the same way we're like, and you know, imagine you're Claude Coates. He was the guy on the Haunted Mansion who actually added some of the dark stuff.

And he was also Snow White's Scary Adventure. You're like, whoa, I didn't know. I only have one tone. I don't know how else to do it. I mean, I would have done it the same way. I'm not saying I think it's funny. When tragedies befall me in my life, I'll be talking in the same tone. I'll be nervous laughing because I'm losing my, I don't know what else to do.

So I came out and there was a screwdriver in each one of my tires. And I don't know who did it or who I've wronged. And fun fact, the manufacturer of the tires was... Yeah, it's Goodyear tires, but it's like, you know, an always ready screwdriver. And you know, they're owned by the same parent company nowadays. I just, I just, I also want to add, I just purchased a Leatherface NECA toy from Target for a friend of mine, and that's true.

I did it a week and a half ago. Wow, wow. So now you know the toy was inspired, and I would say, wait, sorry, Brian Mariotti? Yeah. Brian Mariotti? Well, that's Funko. Okay, okay.

Randy Falk is NECA. Oh, sorry, NECA toy. Okay, well, I'd say, well, you know, I'll throw it out to Brian or Randy. When is the tribute to Ed Gein? We paid tribute to the fictional monsters but where's Ed Gein's

he wrote all Hitchcock didn't think of any of this shit Ed Gein did it right right right I go him there was a thing that stuck out to me from this who is the oh god I forget I didn't write is it Shirley MacLan is talking at some

point yeah in the red yeah she describes a lot about the the tv show i yeah i did she at some someone in the one of the narrations discusses that he's like you know and of course hitchcock movies usually have a big ending or a plot twist or something uh or as hitch would say i i'm worried i got the word wrong it's gotta end with a smacker yes and i was just like i don't remember that one that i forgot about i don't know i've never heard i heard i saw the video but i've never heard that if that somehow i might have missed that part in the montage or missed that part in the post show uh because i feel like if i was a little kid, I was like,

do you know that Hitchcock movies end with a smacker? Like I would have been really just insufferable talking about smackers. That, I mean, it's a good philosophy. We should incorporate that word. And if we're on the way out here, let me try to end with a smacker.

Jordan, there's, there's two videos that I haven't shown and they have the same title, except one's part one and part two. I think maybe skip. Oh, we already saw. Okay. No reveal.

I was going to see if we could surprise you guys with who's going to. But this is a smacker nonetheless. Yeah, still a smacker. Let's bring some more great. Now that we've tied together Buffalo Bill and Leatherface and Norman Bates, let's bring another character into it via a Universal Studios Florida promotional video from the late 80s telling people what was going to be there. Let's just play and see how it goes. Good evening, fellow tourists.

I was at the top of these stairs when the second murder took place. Master. Let's pause it because the listener doesn't know what's going on. Oh, that's Sebastian Jackal actor Christopher Lloyd? You may know him mainly because of the character he played on UPN's Deadly Games. But he also played the character Doc Brown. And I don't think we've really talked about this, that Doc Brown runs around and sees all this. He travels to the future of 1990 to see all of the things that are going to be at Universal Florida, which brings him,

we got to cover every bit of this, but he ends up face to face with all this, you know, crazy other iconography. But here he is snuck up into the psycho house where Alfred Hitchcock is talking and explaining how he shot the scene and then very strangely he says master which is i get what you're saying he's a master filmmaker but it's weird yeah it doesn't feel like something doc brown would say

suspense why would yeah why wouldn't you just say the master of suspense master yeah i know it's odd really weird but then he we get a little more into the doc brown voice i'd say with what he says after this weird weird little mini doc brown monologue about why Hitchcock's a great director. But then if you could pull up the other video, here's this is this is a smacker. Imagine just imagine watching. You think you're watching the end of Psycho and then you get this. This is the scene where this is Vera Mile, right, is walking up to what she thinks is Norman Bates' mother

in the room with just one light, and this happens. Mrs. Bates. And the chair turns around. But we know it's going to be a corpse, right? No. It's Doc! Wait, stop, doc wait stop pause it pause it doc doc brown is norman's mother twist but then further twist then it cuts to doc brown regular at the door watching this and he gets scared right so this is like a trippy this is like doc brown's having a nightmare he's seeing himself

yeah or he's he's messed with the time stream so much he's actually running to himself oh which we know he's not supposed to do they're gonna destroy the movies but you're not supposed to do that yeah well okay so he's being cautious if he's if you see yourself get out of there yeah because also he really probably didn't know what the hell what happened here yeah yeah yeah i don't know. This is beyond. This is more like a being John Malkovich, like some surreal, why is my face on this? I don't know.

There's a little tale more, too, than some people come in and remove the grandma or the mother prosthetics. Yeah. So this is great. I think we did a little of this on the fake Doc Brown episode, perhaps. Yeah. Or maybe a different one. But yes, this is such a weird... It also isn't necessarily the character of Doc Brown. He seems to love the magic of the movies.

Oh, well, well. Check this out. This is the rest of this. Nothing more magical. Makeup. Cosmetic beautification. Wrong. Horrific mutation.

The live horror makeup show where the secrets of horror unfold before your very eyes. Whoa, it's two attractions. Yeah, then he ties it to the horror makeup show, which we'll do down the road maybe next year. You know what? This is one where I would—we've criticized this before, like on the Benicio del Toro opening of Guardians of the Galaxy, the ride. This is maybe one where you don't, you want him to like suggest that he's Doc Brown, but not be Doc Brown. Where it's like, I'm Christopher. And like, he's acting like a little like Doc Brown, but you don't want it in continuity because it doesn't make any sense that Doc Brown loves movies.

I don't know. Well, he loves Edison and Edison had a lot to do with early movie technology. I forget what exactly, but no, he would love all of the, and the knife never actually entered his, have you seen Rope? It's all one shot or so the magic of the movies would have you believe. I used the time machine to go back and see that first screening of the train coming right at you so I could see a whole crowd go, ah! Everyone jumped away!

All right, I've been proven wrong. You're right. It should be Doc Brown. He would love movies, yeah. I wish he just talked more about the movies he loves in the three Back to the Future movies. I'm sure he will in Back to the Future 4 through 6. Sure.

That will happen as soon as Zemeckis passes away. Sure. Or maybe, honestly, maybe before. Who knows? Anything's possible. I was kind of hoping that reminded me of another Universal video that we haven't done, but I feel like we have to do an episode on the John Forsythe souvenir video you could buy for like $40. And I think there was a Florida one and a Hollywood one. So if you want to talk micro-targeting. Yeah. Yeah, yes. For like $40. And I think there was a Florida one and a Hollywood one.

So if you want to talk micro-targeting. Yeah. Yeah, both. Oh, God. Well, I would love to. I love those so much. Movies are the wizard's wand. It's so funny.

I mean, we've brought it up in bits and pieces. But yes, let's do that soon for sure. But I checked that for interesting clips and can you imagine that how they addressed this was john forsyth who is an actor on charlie's angels by the way who's uh very uh i only know from this angels um uh farrah fossett's luminous hair uh so i have the poster in my garage. What can I say? I'm a man. Could you dye it a little more platinum? I was going to say, if you can imagine what John Forsythe did in that video,

as we've been doing the whole time, is walking up, turning profile, and saying, good evening. Nice. You can't resist it. We couldn't resist it no we had to do it the whole time uh and it's you know he made all these great movies but what we're gonna know him for this is what i'm saying with like he's gonna feel like a theme park character in a hundred years who is that oh he's a guy who said good evening and he was very retuned that's all we'll know it was like shrek like shrek after him this is the space

where the big bulbous characters live the ogres shrek and hitchcock psycho psycho north by northwest vertigo one or two others might sustain but then the perspective will be like you know directed those the good evening guy that guy really i thought he was just from commercials he made movies too they're gonna look he's gonna be deep faked before we know it and he'll be in stuff again and he'll be doing intros and there'll be a new alfred hitchcock hour sure or whatever it was let's get him on the show we could get an ai alfred hitchcock saying like sign the change.org petition to bring back for Shrek for Forever Dogs making acquisitions lately too so Brett if you're listening could you acquire the deep fake

rights to Alfred Hitchcock and have we have his like likeness rights and we can do a podcast as him well that'd be a big boost for Forever Dogs Alfred Hitchcock presents the podcast we'll do it but you know why do the deep way if it's just audio why do the deep figure yes Joe yeah true yeah you want maybe the whole thing but if you need a little help filling in the voice we got Mike we got Mike to do it and I'm it's a it's it's like 95% of

there is what it's pretty close it's a kind of an easy one to do kind of satisfying don't cut them down like that well no sorry but difficult to master the master of the master of suspense i'll be master i'll be i'll be i'll mastered it by tuesday oh so it's too late the episode's done oh well but when i do this podcast on forever dog the official alfred hitchcock podcast yeah is it really him? Did they reanimate? Did they dig him up from the grave like Ed Gein would do with his bodies?

No, no, no. It's a modern mimic named Mike Carlson. I'll wear his skin if we don't get the deepfake rights. If it's still around. I don't know that it's around. I would have wanted that. Wear my skin. He's probably buried ten minutes from here. Probably. Let's go dig up Alfred.

I looked it up. He was buried at sea. What? Isn't that weird? Yeah. Ashes at sea. Well, we got to get his ashes, put them back together. Jason, get your sailor.

He loved making lifeboats so much. Jason, get your sailor boy outfit on. We're going out to sea. All right, Mike, get your giant T-shirt with Stitch on it looking pissed. All right, Mike, get your giant T-shirt with Stitch on it looking pissed. All right, great. Don't send me on a recovering ashes mission until I've had my coffee. Mike, you should say the last. You got to do it as the man.

Oh, yeah. I was like, what is he talking about? You've survived. Podcast the ride right as jordan pulls up a picture of a hitchcock it all ties together it connects the circle has been looped around too yeah what's the word someone roast me for not saying the phrase correctly um So, yes, you survived. You could find us on the socials. Oh, yeah, Mariotti's Funko Pop.

There is one of him? Yeah. There's a lot of him. Who's Becker? Is he another Funko, part of Funko, I think? I think he's another guy. Presumably. To fucking be these guys,

you've got all the Funko plastic at your ready. You could do whatever you want with them. There's a Jordan Blum Funko Pop, too. Oh, sure. They got the director series. These guys would be Ed Gein's now. Ed Gein had to resort to being creative with corpses and skin because that was all he had. If he had a bunch of plastic like Mariotti, maybe he would have made some great toys instead.

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Spookified. Pretty good. At Forever Rabid Dog for producing this episode. On the second gate, Munsters 2002. Coming up on Club 3 is voted by the audience. Oh, 2022. What did I say? 2002.

Fuck, I'm going to- Got it. No, don't roast me. Wrong year, moron. Let's end it before I fuck it up more. Wrong year. Damn it. So much roasting.

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