Podcast: The Ride - Area Loops with Kevin Tully

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Some people call area loops: "theme park background music." Others refer to area loops as: "the noise coming out of a speaker that emotionally corresponds to the type of themed space where the speaker is located."  Regardless, theme park lands wouldn't be the same without area loops! Kevin Tully returns in a non Avatar-related scenario, to chill and jam out with this eclectic selection of area loops.  "⁠⁠⁠⁠American Gladiators Dinner Theater⁠" episode is up at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride⁠⁠⁠⁠ BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride⁠⁠⁠⁠ PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forever! Dog! Gentle Warning The following podcast may contain soothing melodies and shimmering synths that transport you beyond outer space on the wings of a butterfly. Today, with musician Kevin Tully, we take a relaxing journey through the background music that gives theme parks their atmosphere. It's Area Loops on Podcast The Ride. Thank you. Welcome to podcast the ride a podcast which would be a perfect musical area loop for a theme park called dork land.

I'm Scott Gardner. I Come to this loser ish Jason Sheridan hi no lies detected on my great great Dork land is your land here here age recalls what the hell is all that shit he's raised so weird yeah here that was blue we could we prove the dorkiness by how well do we know the though right the plaque or whatever not the plaque but the speech here age recalls but it's a nonsense phrase yeah I don't know I'm not gonna be able to recall it here age recalls fond memories of how people talked in the old days. Yeah, yeah.

But was Walter, here's a question, was Walter dork? He has all the trappings of a real dork. Maybe by the standards of the 50s. Like having, being a man, like a man with a job and a parent who has any interests. Well, yeah, that's true. That's anything that he enjoys in his life. Right, that was the definition of dork. Other than that's true. Anything that he enjoys in his life. Right. That was

the definition of dork. Other than sleeping or coming. Other than that you like things. Or you know tons of scotch pouring. Right yeah so okay liquor as well. But yeah that's yeah I do think he is a dork. Coming in the I don't know, you can have a lot of interests. Coming in the door, slamming it. Walk, you mean like walking in. Yelling behind, yeah, yeah, yeah. Creating the air when you come home from work of like, kind of like, too angry to talk to so the kids know to keep their distance

and not go in that room. Eating some unseasoned food while you enjoy a cigarette, an unfiltered cigarette. Ashing and mashed potatoes. Yeah. These are all the interests of a well-rounded 50s man. Yeah, so he was, I'm just trying to think of what was a 50s dork, what do they look like?

Who's a famous 50s dork? Like a poindexter, like George McFly. Okay, so like just standard dork. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Walt presented as traditionally masculine, but he just standard dork yeah yeah so Walt presented is traditionally masculine But he had secret dork tendency I said he was me it could be secret But there's maybe an argument to be made that he was the inventor of the dork. Oh, maybe that's a good point He certainly whether that means him or whether that just that he set up so much dorkiness right right which we are a

Part of that tradition dork pioneer and then these interesting trains was just straight-up masculine at the time Nothing weird about that. Yeah now it's a little weird Mm-hmm, but at the time that was just standard for like a man of a certain age well if it made your you know if it You know got a bunch of black goo all over your face and arms Oh, right, how could that ever be considered dorky? If you were covered in soot after dealing with your favorite hobby, good to go.

Covered in soot, you can read science fiction, like dime store novels, but you have to be covered in soot to not be considered a dork. Oh, if the books had a bunch of soot. Yeah, well, in your face. It's spreading the soot on each place that you touch. It's simple at smearing some grease paint like on your face or your arms.

But now performatively, it has to happen organically. It cannot be a performative gesture. Like you said, you can't smear it on yourself. In the act of reading the books, you have to get covered in soot or some sort of crap. Okay. You don't agree with me? I'll fight you on this.

I don't know, all right. I'm gonna argue, I wanna argue. What if it's a performance, but you're enjoying black and white scotch and like an unfilled Chesterfield while you do it? Okay, that's better. And if you're drinking a glass of soot, then you're. Yes.

Then you're really a proper 50s man. That's really good, yeah. Let's cut to the chase here a little bit, referred to in the opening joke. Today's episode is about area loops. I'm so happy to say this phrase. It's been said on the show here and there, but to finally have it be an episode title,

to be focused on, to be fixated on, this I feel like is long overdue. Let me give the quick dictionary definition at the top, just so we know what we're talking about. I think this is a thing that a hardcore theme park dork definitely is aware of, but for a lay person or a slightly less invested person. Area loops are just basically, I mean there's so much more than this, but the fundamental I would say is that it's the background music in a particular land or area in a theme park.

It is the musical soundtrack to a theme park zone that gives it its auditory flavor, that sets the genre of what kind of place you're in, what kind of feeling you should be feeling in this zone of the theme park. And we're gonna focus in on this and talk about some of our favorites, talk about what makes them great. And I'm so happy that this is coming to us courtesy of our guest who is a very musically minded person. PTR listeners first met him as the Avatar which helped us transport Nick Weigert to the CityWalk Orlando parking garage. But in real life, he is no mere blank slate avatar just waiting for Nick Weigert to fill him while he leads a vast creative life, including as the lead singer-songwriter of a great band called Telethon,

whose new album Suburban Electric is available now. He also has already performed a hell of a mic drop right at the top of the show. He's made PTR history because he is the first guest ever to bring in his own version of the theme song. You have already heard this at the top of the show, so you have heard his work. Now you will hear the man himself. Please welcome Kevin Tully. Hello.

Yay. It's great to be here. What is happening? Thank you for being here. I'm so happy to be here. It's a pleasure to have you, particularly because there's this phrase that is thrown around, friend of the show or friend of the pod.

And you have certainly become that and more. It's been such a pleasure. Oh, thank you. Yeah, for sure. I mean, from helping us out with a true theme park podcast pioneering move of the Avatar program to close out the saga but also just like getting to know you just like you know via DMs and chats through the years.

Sending trash to you via text message. It's all I want. It's all I want to happen and I'm so glad we have that cooking. It's wonderful to be able to share crap with people and have select people to share select crap with. Yes, yes. No, it's really important. And I think you've found... You have this relationship, certainly I think with Mike and I both,

I think you straddle a lot of Mike and Scott interests. Like we, the hosts of the show, who sometimes cannot find common ground in certain areas, you are able to be, you cover the common ground, you become the common ground, because you're able to, you know, and for instance, because now we've gotten to hang out in Orlando a couple times, which has been wonderful,

but you were like, you will both wander the liminal spaces at the Swan and Dolphin, the Locked in Time, admire the never-changing carpet of the Dolphin Hotel, but also visit Jelly Rolls with Mike and be enthusiastic at Jelly Rolls with Mike. Yes, and we should say, we're at Jelly Rolls with us. One of the nights that I went to Jelly Rolls for this recent trip.

So yes, you were doing a lot. You were doing both things. You will talk to Scott about some sort of obscure, I don't know, session player, but then also you'll spend a long time talking to me about when will Stephen Page rejoin the Bare Naked Ladies? Is it possible? Are we going to have to deal with a Stephen Page-less

Bare Naked ladies forever? I think we are, sadly. And I think you're right, I think we are sadly. I think we've come down to that. It seems like he's happy where he's at. I hope that's true. And Ed is a good-natured pilot who used to write music we like. And we talk about Ed Robertson.

Ed, in case you don't know, Ed is the one who raps on one week and Stephen was the one who sang and Stephen left the band many years ago. And Ed is still in the band with everybody else. and Steven was the one who sang and Steven left the band many years ago. And Ed is still in the band with everybody else. I feel like I always thought the drummer was an Ed. Is the drummer an Ed? That's Tyler.

Tyler, okay. I've got him mixed up the entire time. What's Ed's last name? Robertson. Ed Robertson, okay. Think of a game show here. It's like I knew that name, but I think I always slotted,

doesn't it, I mean, it sounds like a drummer name a little bit. Ed Robertson. Yeah, a little bit. Tyler Stewart is the name of the drummer Mm-hmm. He's the silly one. I would say as often the drummers are mm-hmm Yes, you'll learn that would you not say there are multiple silly ones in the bare-naked ladies well I Would say that that the ones in the band currently are are silly and the one who has left the band was a little bit less silly but still a little silly. This is a big question I have asked then.

This might, okay, I cut to the core with that question. Perhaps. You both did a like a, well, like kind of thing. This is painful to real B&L heads. Mind, like a group, mind meld, you know. We've discussed like, are there people that go to Eberna Galatia's that don't even realize Steven's not there and I think the answer is yes. The there's all the touring band. This is always great. I can speak from Beach Boys fandom

I think there's tons I think maybe 70% of the audience at a Beach Boy at a current Beach Boys show Don't know one iota about they don't know who Brian Wilson is right. I don't know that he's not there They don't know the drama that occurred. They just think, wow, it's them. Who are all of those nine men? Must be all of the guys who sang Surfer Girl in 1962 with no drama or changeover. And what percentage of those people that go to current Beach Boys shows

are the pitchfork type people who are like, Pet Sounds is the greatest album of all time, and it's like hipsters who appreciate It's not a lot. I feel like I Honestly think it might be like a 1% Whoa, I think there's an in-between you're in the one there has to be to well I'm not in the 1% because I don't go that's never No, I've never seen

We have sorry we have an agreement that I think if they're still touring in a decade as the Mike Love Beach boys, then you will go see them. I forgot that I made, I don't know, when, when, when did I make that? Was that a year ago? Last year. Okay, so nine years. We have nine years to go.

Uh-huh, god. Until Lee has to go and see them. Wow. This is like the high school or college friends are like, if not married by 35, we'll marry each other. A lot like that, yeah. So yes. But much nerdier and in pursuit of by then, it almost entirely AI,

a 95 year old man. Oh man, at those shows all the audience is like, hey does anyone have a lipid tour that I can bump? So yeah, Kevin, yeah, we we you like the 90s crap you like a lot of mainstream 90s crap Absolutely, and that's where we bond and especially yeah, that's how we initially bonded. Yeah So so it's a it's it's So, it's good to have somebody to talk about Adam Durwitz with and Stephen Jenkins. You keep saying Durwitz. Am I saying this wrong?

Durwitz. Yeah, I knew that. Even I knew that. But it's okay. Wait, how many? You've never known it wasn't Durwitz? Don't feel embarrassed. Who are you, Jason?

You texted it to me and I let it slide the other day. Ah, in text, you think it's text Durwitz too I'm actually I feel like that's one of those where like I knew that was wrong at one point and then I forgot Because I said it without even thinking so or I just never know it. Mm-hmm Even though I watched the full Rick Beato interview with him. Well, I should know it Another name that we used to say wrong, right? I stand by that Rick Beato is a musician.

He'd be named Beato. It would make sense. Ed Robertson sounds like a drummer name. Rick Beato is the ultimate drummer name. Rick Beato is like a Star Wars side character's name. Like it would be in the cantina and have an action figure. And to clarify, a George named Star Wars character. A new character would never be named Rick Beato.

But George would have named somebody that in 2005. No problem. And you're right, to your joke, Jace, I think you need to start, it's only fair that you start, I think maybe just practice it once, asking a very leading question of your co-host, which is, Adam what? There you go.

Oh yeah. This is your chance to have a buka. A buka to what? Beppo. Yay! Yay! He got it. Wait, now do it to him fast so he doesn't have to think.

Mike, what is it? Durrits. All right. Now try it again. Yeah, do it. Four months without any prep, or we'll see if he resets. Right.

Okay, Beppo, got it. Jason, I need prep or we'll see if he resets. Right. Okay, Pepo, got it. Jason, I need to find crap to share with you now. I have crap that I share. Well, we were talking earlier. Off mic, you did share something with him. Yeah, you were asking if I'd seen Topsy Turvy and I was like, no, I don't know if I've seen any Mike Lee movies, but Topsy Turvy is

about Gilbert and Sullivan. That's right. You were the first person I thought of when I watched it. Fortunous timing because there is a Pirates music, like a re-imagined Pirates of Penzance musical on Broadway. And you know David Hyde Pierce is playing the modern major general. Is he?

Yeah. I love David Hyde Pierce. Wow, wow. I'll tie that into some nerddom I have, which is that like, that's crazy that he'd be doing that because he sang that song during his SNL monologue in 1995. With musical guest live. Cool.

That's my guess. In a certain era I can typically name the musical guest. That is a thing where it's like, I didn't know that in the front of my mind, but I knew it in my bones. Yes, yeah, yeah. If you had to guess or if you'd been a writer at the time and you had to write a monologue for David Hyde Pierce, that may be where you would have gone. Now I'm just going to be upset if it's not. David Hyde Pierce and live? I think so. Now I'm just, I'm gonna be upset if it's not. You know, it's. So David Hyde Pierce and live? I think so. Yeah, because I feel like, you know,

it's no, the Mulaney pointed out Patrick Stewart's Salt and Pepper. Right. But it's not, you know, to have like a, it's always good when you have the like, you know, verbose, like the more of the like, esteemed stage actor saying a band name. Ladies and gentlemen, live!

I do remember that. It is like very, very well delivered. Any feelings about Live! either of you? You wanna get off your chest? You know, what's the single, what's the live single? A big one. I Alone or Lightning Crashes. Oh right, Lightning Crashes. I mean, I like those fine, I never got into it.

You'll see me, come over and let me look at you. I'd be willing to, but I don't have too many thoughts. I listen to Throwing Copper, the album that has both of those songs, like a lot. Yeah. In about 2014. I don't know why. Throwing Copper.

The album art of that album is exceedingly ugly. It's like really ugly. Now this I got to see. It's like throwing, ugh Now this I gotta see it's Eel oh my god. Yes. That's a great. It looks like kind of a like a you know like like the the art of a Actor that would be on a brown derby type restaurant It looks like sure somebody was trying to do that for Marlon Brando, and it went horribly around. Yeah It looks like AI art.

It really does. It really looks like weird AI art. Yeah, yeah. Well produced by Jerry Harrison of Talking Heads. It's a good album. It's the precursor to a lot, I think the sound of Throwing Copper became something really terrible

that we all, like, you know, like butt rock type. Sure, sure. I think that live was the precursor to that a little bit, but that that live album actually holds up pretty well. Transcends that where, like, your creeds, you might say, kind of like started playing in the gutter of this genre. Perhaps diverging from the path, the righteous path of butt rock.

And it's, yeah, so it's not Live's fault. Live did not, if, maybe only accidentally they created Butt Rock. That guy had an interesting haircut too, but I think he's bald now. I thought, yeah, I thought he just had no hair. Perhaps like a pony, like a bald with maybe like a ponytail behind?

I might be thinking of somebody else. Oh my God, wow. It's freaky. That's a rare one. How'd I do that? No. Science shouldn't allow it. Well, that's good though. That's a rare one. It's freaky. How do you do that? No. Science shouldn't allow it. Well, that's good though. Gilbert and Sullivan is a tie.

Yeah, I was thinking, well, I feel like in terms of music, I feel like it's either gotta be, it's like a confident female rap that Jane listens to and therefore Jason. So it's either Ice Spice or it's like, Hello My Baby, Hello My Ragtime Gal. It's a song Michigan J. Frog would have sung.

That's the Jason music. Well, and I'm sitting over here, and I was trying to figure out, like, wait, did David Hyde Pierce sing Gilbert and Sullivan on The Sims? And I'm like, no, Sideshow Bob in the Cape Fear episode sings some quick hits of the HMS Pentefor. And then David Hyde Pierce is Sideshow Mel.

Sideshow, huh? No, Sideshow Mel is the guy who's always around. Oh, he's Sideshow Cecil, the brother. Sideshow Cecil, because Frazier would have been humming at that point. Did Gilbert and, maybe this is a spoiler alert for the movie, did Gilbert and Sullivan ever have a Robertson Page style breakup? There's a little bit of that in the film

But do you just mean a breakup? Well, I mean that specifically to like a drug arrest that led to some problems and then the band sort of broke up after having a Children's a playhouse Disney Cruise Hang on what's the story here we got a lot to get through but let's do a condensed version of the story Is that true? Yeah. It's an interesting timeline here on research. So it is applicable. Well, hang on. What's the story here? We got a lot to get through, but let's do a condensed version of the story. I don't think Gilbert and Sullivan

had that kind of breakup. They definitely had TIFs. And if I'm forgetting a major plot point in the movie, I apologize. I've watched a lot of Mike Lee movies the past two months. There's an arrest. Then they made the children's album, I think they made it before that,

but then they're supposed to go on like a tour, and that kind of gets derailed because it's kind of weird that one of them got arrested, blah, blah, blah. Also don't feel like Steven wanted to make that children's album, and that's the whole thing. Then they do do their Bare Naked Ladies cruise that they had done for a year or two before that point. And this does feel related to Gilbert and Sullivan in that big ships are involved.

That's true. Much like the HMS Pinnifor. Right. I believe the last song they ever played together outside of the Canadian Hall of Fame induction is Call and Answer. Oh, beautiful. Which is a really, it's a video I watch every few months, the final performance, which is a really nice song. And then I think really the nail in the coffin is a lawsuit over the Big Bang Theory theme, which Steven feels he didn't get the right amount of money for that, he is on the track. I believe Ed says he wrote it himself. Once that show becomes the biggest show of the decade,

yeah, you probably start thinking that money, no matter what you did on it. You need to get your residuals from the Big Bang Theory. Right, Yeah, you probably start thinking that money, no matter what you did on it. You need to get your residuals from the Big Bang Theory. Right, yes. If there are any to get, God knows. I don't blame them. You'd love to get it. Yeah.

Which I did. I saw Big Bang Theory, or not Big Bang Theory, baroneted ladies with my dad and brother in Atlantic City in like 2013, 2014. Right, and I yelled at you for not knowing Stephen was not there. You were very, that was like the first thing he said. So when you made that KG joke,

you meant the guy you're staring at. That was the first thing he said, it was like, Stephen's not there. But the crowd, obviously, first off, my brother and I were the youngest people in the audience by many years. And this was a very seated concert. This was not people standing up.

But they like real quick transitioned from one song to the next and did the Big Bang Theory theme. And the crowd went nuts. Yeah, of course. So anyway, they're playing, I have, and much like you, I've not seen the Ed Robertson, Bare Naked Ladies. You get it.

I got it, all right. All in 10 years. There's a chance I will see it next month, though, at the Greek theater. Is Fastball or Guster opening for that one? Both of them, I think, are on the show. I could be wrong. Both?

I think. Goodness me. Which is really exciting. You're gonna have to get back out here. Really excited. That lineup really excited my mother. Mike is. Fastball and Guster. Is reclaiming the phrase, get him to the Greek,

to be about him going to see the Ed Robertson fair dink. Get him meaning me to the Greek. Get me to the Greek. Get him and his mom. Yes, with other people. That's sweet. Yeah. In a reasonable amount of time.

And minus the extremely cursed stars of the film. Of the actual movie. Very cursed. I shouldn't say cursed. That implies that they got hit by a curse that caused what's happening to them. I think it was more their decision making than a curse. But who knows? I don't know what happened.

I don't know what magic amulets they're into. By curse you mean the power of Christ. Oh, you did bring us amulets. That's right. You brought us. We're probably gonna have some amulets. That's right. You brought us. We're probably going to have some amulet talk today. I feel like some of these composers definitely wear some big amulets. Yeah, either own them or are interested in them or inspired by the idea of them, but

I don't think possess any of the toxic qualities of musicians Diddy or Aldous Snow, who we all know as the star of Get Out of the Grave. Let's start heading into the music loops direction, and I'm so glad you suggested this, Kevin. You obviously, being a musician yourself, as evidenced at the time. Thank you for that. You played us this before we started recording. That is a brand new, this is a new dimension to coming on the show, putting your own stamp on it. And I love that theme.

It's amazing what two hours to kill at your Burbank Airbnb will do for your productivity. I'm impressed. That's a magical piece for being two hours. Happy to do it. Speaks to your talents. But we were, I feel like we were talking about a lot of things and we landed here

and it did seem like the thing to do. Maybe just a tiny bit more. I mean, I think it's not like the headiest concept, but I do like that we're doing kind of like an overview of area loops before, because what this does now is free us up to maybe do an entire episode about this loop.

Oh yeah. Or we do a commentary, this might work for commentaries, because we can just play the music and talk over it, as opposed to a commentary, something where you need a video, but basically, you know, it's the background music to a land or the entire park or even an entrance plaza or a hotel or even a shuttle or even an entrance plaza or a hotel or even a shuttle or a bus.

It's just, you know, it's the background music that plays in a theme park area. It's, I feel like typically they're around an hour long and they just loop all day the rest of the day, although not always, as we've seen with recent theme park fare. But it's really become this big area, I feel like, in the YouTube era,

because there are channels that allow you to check these out and archive them. There's hundreds and hundreds of these on YouTube, and we'll talk about them and play some of them. But is there any particular reason or philosophy, why have all the topics to talk to us about why this and not the reasons for the bare naked ladies demise? Well, it is something that I feel,

the aerial loops I believe are sort of inside me at a, well, at a deep level. It's in my blood and loins. No, like ever since I was a very small boy, like nerding out on the internet about Disney World, like these have loomed large and soundtracked, you know, much of my life. Like, and it used to be very hard to get them.

And now we're living in a golden age of YouTube availability for these things. It's so insane the importance that used to be placed on a soundtrack album that Disney would put out. Like oh my god they did a 25th anniversary of Disney World album which means I can finally listen to would put out, like, oh my god, they did a 25th anniversary of Disney World album, which means I can finally listen to this track, this track,

whatever, this Epcot music, the music from Big Thunder, The Line, whatever it is. And you were just waiting on those morsels. And I remember being a kid thinking, like, if only there was a way, now that we can burn CDs, why isn't there a way that you can just go burn a CD in the parks of any of the music that I would want? And now it's like this is like more than available to us

for free. I have to stop you, though. Do you remember the kiosks where you could burn CDs? Okay, as I was saying it, I was thinking, am I not pulling this from whole cloths, but rather faintly recalling that there was a thing of this nature? They were kiosks.

Whoa. Where? I didn't know this. You know how they have the art of Disney kiosks in various stores where you can pick a painting and it will print for you in any size? Is it Disneyana in Disneyland? Where the first- When you first go in on the right.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, and that's where they have like statues and stuff, but then they also have a kiosk where you can basically like order a print. Posters on demand. And it's, yeah, exactly. But they had that, I don't know exactly where they were, but they were kiosks in various stores just like that where you could hand select tracks.

And the funny thing is, I impossibly have, not impossibly, it was very possible through the power of BitTorrent, but I have every file that was ever available on this kiosk on a folder. And there's some obscure stuff on there. Really? Stuff that is beyond what these YouTubers might find in post?

100%, and that stuff's not really on there. Like the stuff that we would want probably is, like a lot of it is not on there, but if you want like a clip of, you know, Ben Franklin and the American Venture, like being like, I assure you, these glasses are not rose colored. Like you can get that sound bite on a CD. Of course I do.

This is something that Jason. It's the least ham-fisted jamming of a fact into dialogue I've ever heard. I've been so graceful. Send that to Jason, Kevin. That's what you're in with him is. I'll send you the file. The folder.

The Franklin dialogue. I knew about the kiosks a few, I learned about them a few years ago. I never saw them. I do remember pulling stuff on my tunes in like local college dorm networks and I would like flip out if there was theme park stuff, but I remember being... Would you find theme park music in the dorms?

Yeah, well, because you could see everyone's audio collections. And did you not just go straight to that, try to find the name, go straight to their door, and if a woman asked to marry them? Okay, there was, I was at a friend's dorm once, and it was just a bunch of us hanging out, and we were all fiddling with that and looking at it, because not everyone knew it, like there was a new version of it out and we were all fiddling with that and looking at it because not everyone knew it.

Like there was a new version of it out and there was one with like tons of theme park stuff and I was like trying to explain to her, I was like, can you download this stuff and burn it to CDs for me? And the reaction was pretty much no. Oh so rather the opposite, this became a wedge between you and another,

as much of our theme park fandom all was before meeting each other, before the vast wave of theme park fandom that has grown over the year. Now that we all together live in Dorkland. I think this is a particularly like topic for the real theme park heads too. Like, I don't really get excited about hearing

It's a Small World or something, like the songs from the park. Do you know what I mean? I don't mind them, but I don't listen to those almost every couple times a week. Yes. What you're, it's more, and without giving away some of what we wanna talk about, it is more like, okay, there was this track

with just this odd, bubbly, like some bubbly synth that was kind of like a little bit cheesy and embarrassing, but like really did it for me when I was a kid, and it was probably like track four of 10 in the queue of horizons or whatever. It's that sort of thing. That's always what we're after.

Right. Yeah. And some of the YouTube loops, people have had to reconstruct stuff, or then some of the stuff you're listening to and you're like, I think this is source audio. How did they get this? This is a big question I have.

Where did these all come from? How is there so much of this on YouTube? You gotta stick a microphone in a bush or go into the bathroom and... You think that's what happened? No, I mean, I know that the speakers in the bush and the speakers in the bathroom are great ways to mainline the loops.

Straight into your veins. The last time we were in Orlando, okay, there's original audio in the port of entry restrooms by Seuss Landing. And I went in there to use the bathroom and I just heard what I thought was an argument. And I came out and I looked around and no one was in there, and I realized like,

this is source, this is original audio of people arguing, but I didn't wanna be a creep just recording with my phone phone like in a bathroom. What was the argument about? I don't know. Wouldn't it have been like a very charactery type of argument? It was charactery.

And I thought, I think it was like. You will not be voyaging today. What are you doing, you crazy woman? It was something like that. And I was like, what is going on out there? The seas are much too rough today. That's why I shall use my flying machine, you see, whether or not you believe it is possible.

Jason, like, oh, this couple is really having a hard time getting along today. It started innocuous, and I thought it was two people. And then I came out, and no one was in there. And I didn't want to just, I didn't know how long it was, but I have not been able to find. Listener, if you know what I'm talking about. The Islands of Adventure port of entry,

specifically the Seuss Landing side. Confisco Grill and Seuss Landing, I don't know if it's residents of port of entry or the imaginary cooks at Confisco Grill arguing. Oh, could be. Yeah. Or the bar, that is a- It could be a soundtrack that is character cooks from a restaurant. Yeah, Confisco Grill arguing. Oh, could be. Yeah. It could be a soundtrack that his character

cooks from a restaurant. Yeah, Confisco. And that's something they made and pumped into the bathroom. Is Confisco a guy? Is he a character? Well, I assume Confisco is the little statue, the deformed man that's outside of Confisco Grill. I always assumed that was Confisco himself.

I think so. And then you get a lot. This is, you are a perfect guest for the show, the fact that you were referring to the little statue was Confisco himself. I think so, and then you get a lot, you- This is, you were a perfect guest for the show. The fact that you were referring to the little statue of Confisco. He has an oblong head. Something that has stumped me, Jason is all, and again, this is what you guys text about, is the ins and outs, every statue.

Port of Entry. Well, there's lots of good statues. There's the J. Jonah, Jameson statue in the extended queue for Spider-Man, which I think they really use these days. Dr. Doom's throne, right? Yes, his empty throne. I can't, what you have described is so obscure,

I cannot find a photo of it. Look up Confisco Grill entrance. We gotta find this oblong head man entrance. A lot of the Confisco Grill pictures outside of it were used to be that giant Seagrams mural that is gone now. Wait, I see it now. Okay, there is a guy, it's like a, all right, he's like bending in an odd way.

Can I see? His, I think. Can you turn that toward me? Well, it's one of a zillion photos on a big old, on something called the stylishfoodie.com. Yeah, that looks like the guy. Does he not have an oblong head? This guy?

Yeah, him. Is he holding up a menu? Yeah. And he has a nose that I don't care for. And does he get along with his wife? That's my question. Does he yell at his wife a lot? Yeah.

Because maybe that's what you were hearing in the bathroom. He's got too sweet of a smile. He can't be the fighter. Those are always the worst type of guy. Oh, that's true you were hearing in the bathroom. He's got too sweet of a smile. He can't be the fighter Well, they're the word those are always the worst. Oh, that's true Big phonies the same. Yeah. Yeah Okay, but let's start Let's start digging in a little bit and this is yeah I know that this is a big area for you and I get and I assuming an influence on you

As a musician probably I imagine like do you you listen to these things? When you're like just working out and about trying to be inspired? Yeah, I do. I mean, especially with, so like, for the band stuff, Telethon, that's more power pop, I find inspiration listening to power pop records.

Sure. But for a long time, the aerial loops were good because they didn't remind me of anything that I would ever be able to create. They're like weird, they don't have the same sensibilities melodically as I think. So for people who haven't heard your band, it's not particularly the sound,

the sound isn't reminiscent of a banjo instrumental of the Davy Crockett song. No, or like New Age music, like our ambient type music, like the music I make is much more, I don't know, it's more structured and we don't find it comfortable to stay in one musical place for like a long time and like be meditative or whatever, like we don't do that at all. We're moving from place to place. So listening to New Age music,

as you might find on these area loops, not all of them, but many of them, was always kind of nice for me to listen to music that doesn't remind me of anything I'd make. Now, I have dabbled a little bit in making more instrumental New Age music recently. As you did in the show, yes. Yeah, yeah.

And there's a project I sort of have cooking up that may never get finished. But yeah, where I'm kind of trying to do that with recreated synths from the 80s and stuff. Wait, I don't want to spill the secrets of your unfinished project, but you have described this as that you're trying to do music for an imaginary Epcot pavilion. That's right.

Yeah, I've been privately, quietly working on that since Thanksgiving of last year. And again, I don't know if it will ever get finished, but you heard it here first. Yeah, I'm kind of trying to make a sweet spot, like 19 minute movement of instrumental synth music and I looked up like the sense that all the People on some loops will probably be talking about soon

We're we're using and that they used on those albums And I downloaded like the official recreations of them and I've been just sort of messing around so like that that thing I created for this that was in the the tone palette of those recreated synths. Of actual old school, because that was extremely, as we'll get into when we bonded over this style, but it's very Epcot of that era, Tomorrowland of that era. And it's one of the, we've discussed kind of the chicken or the egg of it all.

Do we love this kind of music like chicken or the egg of it all. Like do we love this kind of music because we grew up going to theme parks? Or is it like an inverse, we love that kind of music and then it's like, it just deepens our theme park appreciation that that kind of music was a rant. It gives us like a new wave of theme park fandom. Or is it really like,

the, you heard this song when you were eight years old, and so it's drilled and it affected your music taste forever in a way that's permanent. You never really know, you never fully know. You can't know. It's certainly part of it. Yeah, yeah.

It's gotta be part of it. It's gotta be. And I for sure have responded to pieces of music because I'm like, that feels like something that would have played at Epcot. Yeah. Yes, of course Yeah, yeah, it happens. Yeah, I think I think probably the average person that goes to these places Don't realize how much that is point I mean they don't notice a lot of it just like how much it's actually adding to the mood of it. Mm-hmm

Just because general I mean some of the stuff I'm gonna play probably is more like a real, like a traditional song that's three minutes or whatever, but still some of it is very background music-ish. And if it wasn't playing or if it was a different song it would really change. Like we were at Universal a couple days ago, and instead of like the big soaring Universal theme as you walk in, they're playing like three Billy Joel songs. It does change the vibe. That drives me nuts. Billy Joel specifically, or just rock and pop songs at the park? I think music with words in general at theme park, like as background music in theme parks, kind of bugs me. There's a section of Universal Studios Florida that play,

I know that one of the songs on it is Pinch Me by the Bare-Naked Ladies. And although I like that song, I'm like, what is this doing for the place making of the songs on it is Pinch Me by the Barenaked Ladies. And although I like that song, I'm like, what is this doing for the place making of the park? It bothers me and it's distracting. And I think the best theme park area loops in background music is contributing to the theme,

but it is not distracting. Yeah, that is a really good point. Yeah, yeah, if it's attracting your attention too much or the regular person's attention too much, then it's not just, you know, it should be similar to just like the details on the awnings and like, you know, like the aging of an old building

or the paint of a new building. It adds to the tapestry, yeah. I was kinda going back and forth on that because I looked up, just in case there was any crossover, I picked some alternates. So I was looking up Hollywood Studios music. And it's a lot of instrumentals when you first enter, but the loop I found for specifically Sunset Boulevard, which is the path, the road leading to Tower of Terror is like all like old song standard,

like Andrew Sisters and stuff, standard. I know they play Mersey Dotes on that loop, like Mersey Dotes and Dozy Dotes, Shramsy Divey. He's spinning that thing constantly. Yeah, number seven Spotify rep, yeah. But I can't remember if they have, so you heard words though.

Yeah, well that's, we were joking about Begin the Begin earlier. Oh right. And I forget which, it's a song that's been sung performed by a million people to even, I forget whether it was Julio Iglesias or Enrique Iglesias, that version, more recently than World War II, I mean.

The broad strokes, the definition of recent. Yeah. But by the way, just the phrase, we were laughing about begin the beguine. We were, we were. That's something that Frazier and Niles would do. Yeah, not to be too on the nose, but I was talking about.

Oh, what a fit of laughter we got into that day. Begin the beguine and Gilbert and Sullivan beforehand. Well, this is, I think what makes this a very good topic for us, for Podcast The Ride also, is that how much it appeals to everybody's specific niches and interests, because within the three of us, the hosts, there's very extremely divergent musical taste, vibe taste, and but there is a place for three of us, the hosts, there's very extremely divergent musical taste,

vibe taste, but there is a place for all of us within the world of theme park area music. Absolutely. Yeah. So I guess I'll go ahead here. I just have a couple things. I have a little bit of a platter, a sample or a platter of things.

Yes, oh wait, and we should maybe say, we've all picked one to focus on, one that's always spoken to us. Yeah, mine's kind of like three now. One has turned into three. All right. It's quick though, they're quick hits. So the premise was to do some of them,

then Mike broke the rules. Well, we added one again before, so. This is all out of control already. You know, this is gonna become a Steven and Ed thing real fast. Whoa. Well. How long did the Berenick Ladies last together as a band, 15 years, 20 years?

20 years, I'm like 20. Probably, yeah, at least 20. We got a couple more years to go. We're hitting ladies point, yeah. So yeah, so some of these things I have here are like what we're describing sort of in the background, but then one that I really like is more of a loop of rock and roll, I'll say that, with lyrics and whatever,

but it really is. See, there's a place for all of us, whether you like rock and roll music or. You like rock and roll, you have a place in the Disney parks. Yours, though, have lyrics, but make sense in the placement of like, Yes, I would agree.

a nod to mid-20th century. And this is kind of, I think this is really up to the individual. Do you want songs with lyrics? Do you want popular songs? Is it distracting to your popular songs? And then sometimes, I feel like the majority of these are instrumental.

But that doesn't mean they're always specifically composed for the area, although some are. And this is a big thing that's kind of trumpeted when a new area opens, like the heat is on. New, you know, because in Galaxy's Edge, you got new area music by John fucking Williams. Sure. And then in Epic Universe, the music is a huge deal.

I mean, so much music was made for. Ooh, I have thoughts about that. Ah, ah. Good stuff. You should, oh, oh, interesting, okay, okay. Should we, let's hear a little bit of Mike, and then let's, because you've, well, we've been and now you've been. So yeah, we should talk about the present and future

of aerial loop music at Shone Thrifted Universe. I have thoughts, yep. Great, great. We'll talk about it. But Mike, where are you taking us? What area are we looping to? Toontown. I know what we're listening to.

Yeah. Wow. We got a cool, we got a refreshed instrumental eye to eye movie, movie eye to eye. I haven't heard this. Is this just playing generally in Toontown? OK. Wow.

So yeah, it's just there's a loungy eye to eye. You can keep playing. You got to get into the core. You got to get into the chorus. Let's play and talk. Sure. Okay. Sure. Yeah.

Wait for, wait for the chorus here. This is nice. What like pop wise does this remind me of? That's what I was trying to figure out because yeah, this is one of my favorites too And it is an example of a new area loop that I think is really phenomenal. Yes Yeah, we yeah this we are not and you particularly are not like only the old ones are good I think that yeah, there is an era I gravitate towards but I'm open to I want new ones to be good And I think this Toontown

one, I mean I noticed it last year when I went into Toontown to ride Runaway Railway, and I instantly was like, this is a new loop I've never heard before, and I found it on YouTube and I listen to it all the time. It's so breezy, but I don't know what genre it is. I said loungy, but it's kind of fully like lounge I don't know, but it is like it's like an artist tip of my tongue that is not coming But like if you put vocals on that it's very easy very happy And they picked good songs like Chip and Dale rescue Rangers is on there. Yeah, I to I

Okay, Mickey Mouse Club, and then there's a couple from the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, which are They might be giant songs right dog and the Mickey Mouse Club and then there's a couple from the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse which are they might be Giants songs right dog and the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse theme wow many parents know but I don't yes I know it now I know it's been on in the house lately but I didn't know there was a there might be Giants they do well cuz they composed the theme song to the Daily Show right I wish that that was on it did they or did they do a version of it? Yeah, I don't know Yeah, that's cuz I thought for a long time. I thought they did Big Bang Theory and Oh my god, you never said that to me. I know I know you I would have smacked you in the face. That's some common like

Goofy music crossover barren egg of ladies TMBGG, I think, was Daily Show and Malcolm in the Middle. Right? Yes. They did Malcolm in the Middle. I know that. I think they may have done a new version of it at some point. It's by Bob Mould. Oh, right.

Oh. And I don't even want to attempt. Is it Husker Dew or is it Hoosker Dew? Oh, it's a Hoosker. OK, OK. Hoosker Dew, I think. Sugar? He's in the band Sugar, which is a really good band.

Okay. Wait, but TMBG wasn't involved with the Daily Show at all? Not the original, but I think they may have done a version. Okay. And then of course the Timbaland remix that accompanied the show in the later 20 cents. Right. Something I noticed about this Toontown loop is like,

I think there's, certain bands do this really well. When you get to be a very virtuosic musician, you start filling in the spaces around the melodies with spicing things up and adding flair. Yeah. And you can only do that really when you're really feeling the groove. And Steely Dan was great at doing this.

I think my beloved Fish is really good at doing this. And whoever is playing on this Toontown loop, like every little thing that your ears want to hear ends up happening or they end up plusing it up and doing something exciting with it. Sort of filling in all available space. Do we have any idea who did it? Well, it's listed, oh you do, okay.

Michael Robino. The Toontown tuners. Well, that's what I was gonna ask. I researched this. This is on Spotify as they uploaded. This is a rare area loop that's been uploaded as an album to Spotify. Oh, not unligged.

By the Toontown Tuners. But the composer of it, I looked this up, was Michael Rubino. He was just a hardworking film and TV and video game composer. But how would you feel if you assembled this great ensemble? It seems like it's a small ensemble of musicians, and these are probably people that need jobs and need work, and this is a really good thing to put on our portfolio, but it's just credited only as the Toontown Tuners.

There's no names attached. It's probably something he's all too familiar with. Right. I'd assume working in all of these different areas. Yes, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess probably. I'm not saying that makes it right. I'm saying.

Covered credits, yeah, yeah. It's probably very common. If you're listening and you're a Toontown tuner, great job. Because yeah, everything instrumentally going on there is great. Yes, and I mentioned this before on the show yeah, everything instrumentally going on there is great. Yes, and I mentioned this before on the show, and I don't know if this is available,

but if you go back, and I spent a lot of time in Toontown recently, I do believe this music is part of a really nice reinvigoration of Toontown, in addition to the new ride that's there. Obviously, I also have a child that likes to be there now, so I'm in Toontown way more than I ever was, but's a cool thing that happens is if you go into the back by the caves There's even like quieter versions of all the songs playing in Toontown That's fascinating. I'll check tomorrow. And explain. Oh, yes, please do give us the report and that but like

It's not just quieter volume. It's a rearrange. That's interesting. What does that mean? Like less instruments or just a... Kind of more of a lullaby-ish thing. Yeah, so you can go if you're sitting because there's benches under in the caves. It's a really nice place to chill out, kids or no kids. There'll be some kids running around back there,

but like it's completely out of the sun and there's like really like quiet version. So you walk from wherever in the cave and walk out into main Toontown, and then you hear this version now playing. You keep saying cave. What cave? It's like a, fake rocks.

Toontown has a cave now. There's fake rocks in the back of Toontown, there's a cave, basically. It's what used to be the Chip and Dale slide. It's all the way in the corner. It's the full corner of Disneyland. There's fake grass back there. The kids love it.

There's fake rocks. And then there is like a bunch of fake rocks that kind of, I mean, it's not a cave that you can crawl into it, but it's a bunch of fake rocks. And then there's a bunch of benches in the back there. And you can completely get out of the sun and chill out for a second. And you got the, it's still loud,

but it's different arrangements of these songs. And it's a very neat little thing. That's beautiful. That's beautiful stuff. And there have been area loops that came out in the past couple years that I have been less than happy about, but there are a couple that have been really good.

And I'm encouraged to see that one of the most recent additions to Disneyland has a great loop like this. Yeah. If you had to say something about something that you don't like, and you don't have to put a piece of music on blast if you don't want to, but could you describe, like how do,

because it doesn't seem like there's a lot of areas in which these can go wrong, but clearly they do. Yeah. What is in there, what do we think makes a bad area loop? Besides it just being like a bunch of hits from 18 years ago, although Mike might be into that though too, Mike would, we're walking through Magic Mountain and then like, oh, Bruno Mars, 13 year old Bruno Mars song.

Eve six, late period Eve six, 18 is longer than that. Yeah, Eddie, I don't know, Eddie, can you conjure any specifics of what makes a disappointing arealoop? So I think, and I don't mean to put this on blast, but World Discovery, Epcot, all of the stuff that used to be Future World, they made this big deal about this composer named, I think, like Pinar Toprak.

I don't know how to pronounce it. But she composed this new loop for that area. And I went day one to hear it. And I was so excited. I was like, you got big shoes to fill, Pinar, which we'll probably talk about later. But as I got there, it's very beautiful. The music is very, very beautiful and pleasant to listen to,

but there's no, it took me a while and I finally found a melody that I can kind of cling to, but I couldn't sing it to you right now. And that drives me a little bit crazy because there's a recurring melody in this like Epcot, this new Epcot loop. And when you're hearing it over and over again, you're like, oh yes, that's, that's the melody is this soaring,

beautiful, very no complaints about it. But like I can, it's not memorable. And I think that there are, I think that a singable, I think about a lot about singable solos and like singable, singable instrumentals, like singable instrumentals. Like you should be able to remember the melody and be able to sing it. Yes, as an aficionado of 70s, 80s jazz, which we touched on here, I can't remember what the name is or it'll come up.

It'd been a mix and I don't even remember who the artist is. But if I can do the basic melody that at least is the starting point, that's something. If it's just pure noodle, then it's probably not going to stick with you. It's kind of true of film scores, too. Is that at the very entrance of Epcot? It plays all throughout what used to be Future World, as far as I can tell.

Like where Walt's sitting on the stoop. Yeah. I feel like people were kind of mixed on that when it debuted. Yeah. I feel like, and maybe they were like pulling it back or like they put in classic stuff or mixed it up or. Every time I've been there recently, it's been playing. And I've gotten used to it.

It just, it's generically beautiful. Whereas I think that the music that was there before had some serious character and instantly memorable. Yes, well there's pieces I think that'll come up for both of us where I might admit this is a little goofy. What you're listening to here is a little bit like, you're referring, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not that kind of goofy, but it's a related kind of goofy.

But the, like, I might go, like, oh, it's like cheesy, right? But then it, like, you do remember it. It does stick, it's like not afraid to be cheesy, which I always admire. Right, instead of just sounding like every inspirational section, like, inspirational film score

for every movie that's come out. Like I don't need that in my area loops. Like they use, Disney's been using, like they've been compiling these ones that are compilations of film score songs. The American President song. I do like that. Okay, cause that's a soaring usually.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. I don't, I like it too. I was just wondering if that's what you meant. But yeah, that's, I mean that's a little bit I think where it started because people love that Soarin' Loop, which is not on my list. I like it, it's pleasant,

but I think they took that and ran with it and I think they started only using music that they have license to because they use the same damn Saving Mr. Bank's track. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And it is nice to listen to, but it's not. Right. When they were willing to pay for the music

from a movie they don't own, it ends up feeling like Disney, even though it's not owned by Disney. It's worth paying for. Mike, do you wanna play more to not get out of your zone too much? We've realized this episode's gonna be three, 10 hours long.

Yeah. Three to 10 hours long. I was gonna shout out like frontier land, but I mean we know what it's like I was gonna play a little buffalo gals for Jason, but Let's do it like Champing at the bed. Oh he loves And this is from cars land no this is from frontier land oh it is from this is a buffalo gals in Cars land It would it would it would make sense there But I just there's there are a lot of like songs played in Frontier land that you we met Davey Crockett all these different things But it really I don't know I just as I've as I've said, I like Hillbilly Nonsense the older I get,

and part of it's from Wilco, but part of a lot of it is from going to Disney. Any theme park, you know, Knott's Berry Farm, you need an old west town. That is sort of part of it, and little small things we've gone to over the years. These parks. Kevin, do you understand why there's a straight line

between Wilco and the music that Mike increasingly listens to which is like Oh dangle dangle banjo Bob Wilson is Texas Playboys Yeah, I think there's some early Wilco tracks and then I think the most is it the most recent Wilco album that Cruel country country that second to second to last yes That's the one with the song about a skunk that gets stuck in a barrel they started as an alt country band I would say they still are there but it's okay am yeah am is a big alt country yeah that's country-ish. Being there though maybe has a little more,

because it is like forget the flowers and stuff. That's true. A little more, yeah. You're right. It's a little more acoustic country like what you just played. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a little country of B and L as well.

That's right. So I get a little of it in there. They experimented. But then going into like frontier land and all these different places over the years, you hear all this in the background. Critter country had a really good loop. Oh, yeah splash mountain queue I remember I used to listen to that a lot I don't listen to it anymore

That's when you do that Russell Brand voice again. Right, right. Then you can admit that. Yeah, it's just bluegrass standards. And in some cases, I think, does Frontierland have any, it's all times of the era, I think. They don't have any, you don't get eye to eye bluegrass version. No, I don't believe so, no.

Well, that would be pretty good, and that's probably coming, but Well Frontierland is going away. I assume in the next ten years, too So we'll see just or in that Lee well It's kind of I mean whatever in Disney world There's gonna be no river there, and then I assume the Hall of Presidents is days are numbered in the next like so But that's not here land I guess that's not but I feel like all of that is gonna go until it just turn into IP land.

They paved paradise and they put up a parking lot on that thing, man. I mean, I think the idea of Frontierland has been on the table for going away in general. We realize that. You know, do you think they don't just at least leave up the four stores in Country Bear Jamboree? Maybe, I mean, maybe they, yeah,

the Country Bears is just a little section there. I don't know. I don't know what it looks like in Florida especially because of what Cars does to that whole area. I must say I am excited about that and the music of Cars Land is good and maybe the new crew. And it's not dissimilar to this as well, Cars Land in California.

Well do you have some Cars Land that you wanted to? I don't, oh I do, I do, but not the stuff I'm talking about. Oh okay. I'm talking have some Cars Land? I don't know I do I do I do but not though not this stuff I'm talking about okay. I'm talking about Halloween Cars Land overlay California adventure at Halloween the purple lights I say it every other episode the purple lights unlike by the car today is really great But Cars Land itself during Halloween is my favorite and they have a full We've we did an episode last year about different Halloween songs. Mm-hmm So they do play Monster Mash they play love potion number nine

But they play stuff that I had not heard until I went to Cars Land. Mm-hmm So they have like I don't know the genre that you wish what you wish that there were like Well, you know, there was a year's worth of music that is like some songs about ghosts and zombies. That's correct. I do I do wish that But they've got other Bobby Boris picket songs like scully gully Just slightly less good version of the Monster Mash. That's all I want. Well, and slightly less good versions of the song Hully Gully. Well, sure, yes. So this is a...

Wait a minute. So it's Scully with a K. I think so, yeah. It's like the song Hully Gully I only sort of know, and it's that but about skulls. Right, yes. So there's that. There's Buck Owens doing Monster's Holiday Didn't we listen to Monster's Holiday?

Not this version this is Buck Owens doing And I don't think it's the same song just another song called Monster's Holiday. Taking it easy. It is similar to it. Get more minutes of this. It's good. It's better than Skully Golly. Different Monsters Holiday. This is just fun, fun music to look at your friends tomator and Lightning McQueen and Halloween costumes. Yes. Have you been during Halloween? I have but I don't remember there being a special loop

I don't even really yeah Well, I should say I've been when like haunted mansion holiday is going with that could be like like when I go tomorrow Oh, that could be too early. Yeah is going with that could be like when I go tomorrow. It could be up already. Oh, that could be too early. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait, in May.

So maybe I haven't seen this, but this is great. But like, I think what is important with loops when it comes to like, I'll call this a pop song, a rock song, is if you can get stuff that people aren't that familiar with, it can then make you still feel like, oh, I'm in a different place. Obviously, it sounds like stuff I've heard before. But I think that's part of some of the loops. If you can find like, oh, I'm in a different place. Obviously, it sounds like stuff I've heard before.

But I think that's part of some of the loops. If you can find obscure stuff, use that. Yeah, and things where you feel like you can only hear it in this place. As with characters, we love because you only meet them in this certain ride. It might pull you out of it if its music you associate too much with, so then you know it's not in a park.

So I like that about it, because there's a full hour-long loop. And most of the stuff I don't think is common Halloween stuff. But it evokes the imagery of Halloween costumed cars with eyes. And it's similar to the music they play during the day. Tires that are turned into moaning faces of the dam.

Yes. I do like that. That's worth an episode this this haunt cast season oh Halloween isn't it crazy called Halloween like yeah I believe so and then there's some of them are dressed the cars are dressed as Pixar characters as well all right but the lights in there are really fun like that is a nice hang Halloween the cars are dressed as Pixar characters at the very least there's there's posters

where they're dressed like Woody and Buzz. Yes. I don't care for the image. Is it like car parodies of Hocus Pocus or something? I know I've taken photos of these, and I don't remember what they are. There might be a Christmas, too. Is it like old Docs starring in a parody of the Santa Claus?

What are they? I want the Cheech Marin car to Be dressed as like Frankenstein. I don't want him dressed as Wally well Luigi and Guido could easily do the monsters ain't guys That's fun. I do Vampire every year Mater's usually the vampire He's like a you know purple and he's got the cape and stuff in the fangs It'd be cute if Mater and Lightning Queen dressed up as each other Sure, I think that's After everything they've been through after the twists and turns of that friendship. Yeah, that'd be the ultimate sign that they get along

Yeah, they actually are the practice here the cars this I this is from this is from a couple years ago Maybe they haven't done this in recent years, but here's some cars dressed as Woody and Buzz. So the cars know, okay. Well yeah, because this is established in the credits of Cars 1, because they all go to see drive-in movies that are car versions of Toy Story, Bug's Life, and one of the other ones, Monster's Inc., I don't know.

And then the truck that's voiced by John Ratzenberger points out that they reuse the same voice actors all the time That's fun Complain about that that's That I like that truck. Yeah, it's a good truck got a toy that truck in the house He's never mind when that comes out So I have a couple I think of the cars when they sold the cars toys where they're all Star Wars characters Oh, yeah, and I think Luigi and Guido might be R2-D2 and say 3PO.

If they're not, they'd really drop the ball. Yeah. I mean, unless they're dressed like Jar Jar and Boss Nas, that's the other big Star Wars duo. That would be really good. I have that stitch that's General Grievous from the old days. Is that true?

Yeah, yeah. I have a stitch toy. Does he have all the old days. Is that true? Yeah, yeah. I have a stitch toy. Does he have all the arms? Because he's multiple arms. Yeah. He has four lightsabers. And that's, yeah. That's on the highest show.

That's on the, like, that's a daddy toy. Yeah, it's in a box somewhere. If Bobby Boris Pickett was a car, what kind of car, like, what do you picture? Oh, oh. Like, if a car was singing that beautiful beautiful song. We just heard like it's gully gully I don't know old cars well enough. I know it's really a bad Say a hearse but a classic old hearse you know probably a hearse yeah a

Studebaker the rest of the year a Packard the rest of the year is very long very wide car Hmm know about old cars long and wide this is why we got to get Jay Leno on the show to yeah Or about old cars we need that but it but as always recording in the Burbank area He may crash into the walls at any time possible. You can find those to Frontierland and the Carsland Halloween playlist there's on Spotify, but then they have them on YouTube. And we should just link to all these or throw them in the show. Yeah. Our little special ones. Is there more that you want to play?

Should we? Should we? No, we should move on. I mean, there's just so much to get to. Those are just great little shout outs. Thanks. I'm going to have that Buck Owens in my head for sure. Yeah. We have passed the auxed Kevin. Kevin, very excited to dig into, it must have been tough to pick, you picked this episode topic,

and then how do you narrow down a favorite within hundreds? It was painful for sure to do that. With some back and forth, because I thought you said one, and then the answer changed too. Yeah, I said one. What I said was the Wonders of Life loop, which is not ultimately what I picked,

but for anybody wanting to get in, wanting a primer of like new age music from about 1990, 1991-ish, Wonders of Life is really great. Yeah. It's got this great San Diego group called Check Field on there that's just a great mix of like sort of earthy sounds with jazz. They're on that. We've got Ray Lynch who was this sort of strange computer music synth wizard sort of guy and he made very, very fun

slightly haunting, computer-y music. Like it's all on there. He did something called Celestial Soda Pop. Celestial Soda Pop. Which I kept thinking about when I was in Celestial Park drinking their special soda pop. thinking about when I was in Celestial Park drinking their special soda pop the other day. Oh, wow, he invented the idea of Celestial Soda Pop.

I guess so. Yeah, so Wonders of Life is a really great loop, and I've gotten really obsessed with it, and sort of took all of the artists on that and started wandering down the rabbit holes. And that's how my playlist that I've shared with you, Scott, Liminal Oasis started, is that I've shared with you, Scott, Liminal Oasis started, is that I just

started taking the artists on the Wonders of Life loop and started going down rabbit holes of albums and finding more music that sounds like that until I have hundreds of hours of this. Which, what a way. That's in terms of that, like, do we like this because of theme parser, do we like it on its own?

That's a great way to figure it out, is to like, OK, so something about this is taking me back to Epcot Center in the mid-90s or whatever, but like that there's more of, that it's that vibe, but it wasn't specifically played there. And you're describing a playlist. Or are you willing to let the listeners in on the end of the world of Liminal Oasis? Of course, I consider this one of the crowning achievements

of my life is the- Well, I mean, and understandably, because the stats are so good, I think I can pull it up on spot this is a This is a hundred and sixty six hours. It's God Wow. Yeah, basically Liminal oasis with a bunch of like odd symbols on both sides great. It's great art a great like electric prism in the cosmos

This is a wonderful playlist that you've made and And it was, as the playlist that I will play, I feel like you kind of like, it sort of holds your hand from the like, maybe barely more accessible worlds of smooth 70s, 80s jazz into the confusing, intimidating world of new age music. It's not intimidating, Scott. It was for me.

I think I, in my head, I'm like, no adults in the 2020s should be listening to 1990s New Age music. This is a one-way ticket to being unrelatable to your fellow man. And I assumed, I think, a degree of cheesiness that maybe as I've started to wade into the waters, I'll go, you know, well, that's not so cheesy.

Oh, that's not so cheesy at all. Oh, this I like, this I kinda like. I think embracing the fact that a lot of this music is cheesy and you wouldn't necessarily want, I don't know, the girl you have a crush on in high school to hear you listening to it if you were like on the school bus or whatever. Yes, no, it's the music you dive into with somebody

you're deep into a marriage with who you trust. And who has no way out. Yes, yeah, yeah. Who's trapped. Yes, well, or in our case, musically, where Aaron and I, I think, have mutually assured destruction. We both just go, we push each other deeper and deeper into the land of cheese to where we don't consider it

any of it cheesy anymore. We just love it and relax with it. It's not good first makeout music, but it's good settled makeout music. I thought you were going to say second makeout music. Oh, well, if you're really high on the hog. It's not as good as Buffalo Gal's, but it's pretty good. Chattanooga choo-choo usually. Oh, pardon me, boys. That gets next that's right you want to come over and have a good laugh about begin the big ween when I was in fifth grade I had a crush on this girl we went on a school field trip and I specifically brought the Mighty Mighty Boss tones,

Let's Face It CD so that she could listen to it and she would maybe think, oh, this is a type of music I've never heard before. How did she like royal oil? She didn't care for it very much, but on that same trip, the one and only time I ever won anything from a crane game, I won it for her.

Wow. Nice. That's a little vampire. But then she didn't like the Mighty Mighty Boss Duns CD. Anyway, so she's out. Hit the bricks. And let's face it, I don't. Let's face it.

That's the name of the album. Oh, yeah. I didn't mean to do that. But let's face it, she probably wouldn't like the Wonders of Life loop either. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, OK. Well, it's important to know early then. Yeah, and you have also, you have a vast collection of new age cassette tapes.

Yeah, good memory, yeah. And that all stemmed from like one Christmas Eve, I was in my childhood bedroom and I was like kind of trying to get sleepy and I was listening to some area loops, but then I got really hopped up thinking about all the artists and albums that comprise these area loops. And I was like, I gotta start saving those on Spotify. But none of them were on Spotify. There are some, but a lot of them, if you wanna hear the full thing, you need, you can't.

Some of them aren't even on YouTube. So I just went on eBay and I started buying cassettes on Christmas Eve and within like an hour, I think I had spent like $200 on like 90s New Age cassettes. Oh my god. It's muse, that really speaks to the obscurity of it. That it is not only not made the Spotify transition, but that cassette becomes the primary way to experience

this music. You can get them on CD. But you wanted them. I wanted them. And I don't do vinyl. I didn't do any physical media really for music until these cassettes and I still really only have like new age and smooth jazz cassettes. Geez.

It's good for physical media because of the photo art of some of these people. I think you get a kick out of looking at the images of most of these artists. Yeah, all this to say, the Wonders of Life loop is great, and if you want a primer on good music like that, just start digging into these artists. To that end, I refresh my memory about it, and getting comfortable with new age stuff. I was just listening to it, not looking at artists,

and there was one that was like, this one's really doing it for me. This is, ooh, this is hitting. Who we got here, who is this? Look it up, Yanni. Yes, we got Yanni. I was just digging a Yanni track without even realizing it.

That's a number called Looking Glass by Yanni. And that's the thing, if you think Yanni looks crazy, if listeners even remember Yanni, a staple of PBS music, one of the most beautifully haired, beautifully mustachioed men, beautifully puffy shirted men ever to live, I feel like you get deeper into this genre and Yanni just looks like a normal guy on the street.

Yeah, yeah. He is kind of a hunk, but Yanni looks cool compared to somebody that I'm about to talk to. So, Wonders of Life was not my pick, but the Innoventions loop was. Okay. And then we're talking when Innoventions opens in 94. This is the music when Innoventions is new on the scene, when Epcot is entering a new era of futurism.

That's right. I'll give you a hit of it. Because there's multiple different movements. And maybe we can find. Yeah, here's a track list. So it sort of starts off with this track. There's a whole story with this. And I kind of learned it. We've got to get the main melody here.

So good. This is David Arkenstone with a track called Papillon on the W of the butterfly. This is, if you had like, chat GPT, please create the name of a new age music artist and a kind of song title that they would do. And now create an image of that artist and it is exactly David Harkinstone. I love this track so much. I wonder if listeners of a certain era, like, does it take you to original interventions, to what we've lost? It starts to get a little more... Yes, and this is, so this is an interesting loop because this is an under, this is not an original piece of music made by a Disney This is not an original piece of music made by a Disney Imagineer, but the composer's name is Russell Brower at Disney Imagineering. He took a bunch of songs apparently to the committee of Imagineers, and one of them was

David Archastone's Papillon on the Wings of the Butterfly. He had them pick which song they liked best for the tone of the interventions area. So he would know which way to go with his own music? That's right. And so as a springboard, Papillon on the Wings of the Butterfly, B-Gat, Future World theme. Let's hope this is where this loop goes. Here we go. Oh yeah. This is, I am ready to learn. I'm ready to learn about the internet. I'm ready to not meet Cinderella today.

I'm here to get my mind expanded. Yeah, you're here to meet Vectorman. Here to meet Sega Genesis. Here to meet Vector Man. Yeah. You're here to meet Sega Genesis classic Vector Man. Toe Jam and Earl will be there too. Walk around Toe Jam and Earl.

I don't know, man, that'd be something. There was Walk Around Crash Bandicoot at Universal. From her games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, he hung out in the courtyard. When I talk about singable melodies that you remember this is one of the most this is a perfect melody you don't hear you don't hear this stuff that much these days but yeah like like these it's just an interesting collection of notes I wish I knew more about music theory, but really I just think it's like it conveys the optimism of future world and invention and

innovation together. It would work in a museum too. It's stirring. It reaches out to kids. Instead of like this is stuffy and boring, I don't know, even the best piece of classical music might make You feel like I'm like this work. I have to do today, but this with the boom is kind of a like It's building. Yeah, it's like It's like making you anticipate what's coming today Yeah, it's all and correct me if I'm wrong because I'm this may be a stupid thing as I express it. It's so era-specific to

that it has the vibe of something that is like inspiring and you're about to go exploring, you're about to go on an adventure as well. But because it is tied to such a specific era, it just can't help but be like so stimulating for people of a certain age. Yes. Do you find it stimulating stimulating Michael? Yeah, absolutely

Yes, because it feels it just feels so specific Yeah to an era and it reminds me of like it could also be the Introduction to a VHS that you would watch. Yes, right. It doesn't even yes It's not that I remember this from being a kid, but I just feel like it makes me feel like being a kid Yeah, yeah like For whatever thing it is, whether it be a video game, whether it be a VHS. And I feel like this not just millennial nostalgia. I feel like this could like pop off on TikTok. Yeah. I feel like this.

Well, you could sample it. You could slow it down. You could do a lot with this. Let's do that really quick. Oh, boy. Let's do a lot with this. Let's do that really quick. Oh, boy. Let's hear what it sounds like. But I remember in 2021, 22, as Disney is phased reopening stuff and finally getting going

on their Epcot reopening. And there was a post either on the Imagineer account on Instagram or Daddy Tomorrow's account. And he was talking about different glass for the shop reflecting rainbow or lights. And I was like, this is what we're getting instead of, we're losing the InnoVentions music,

but we're getting different, oh, it's in the range of it's over, we're back. That was a real it's over. Definitely, and yeah, this also played in Mouse Gear. Oh, right, the store Mouse Gear in that area. But Innoventions and Mouse Gear, I think, opened at the same time. Listen, now I don't know what was playing in this place,

but all I know is I hear this and I can flash straight to the old electric umbrella. Oh, right. I'm in electric umbrella as I listen to this. A place I wish I could go, I never spent too much time there. I think I popped in before it was gone. Yeah, me too. I got to see it before it flickered away.

I don't remember what the food was like, but I know that the phrase electric umbrella fills me with optimism. Yeah. This in general, this all just makes, this is like the 21st century is coming. It's going to be beautiful and wonderful and magical and not a whole bunch of dog shit

that gets worse and worse. Well, Scott, unfortunately the future turned out to be a lot of bland minimalist bullshit that's already out of style outside of generic apartments with white walls and gray floors. Which I say is someone who lives in an apartment with white walls and gray floors. No, but doesn't this take you, like this is in a mirror. Right now it's only an Epcot Center, but soon everywhere I turn, there will be electric umbrellas.

Whatever that means, people holding them in stores as shade out in the world. The world will be electric umbrellas, each more purple than the last. I slowed it down, by the way. Oh, you did oh you didn't even know that was so well wait let's listen now I hear it slow down took quail eggs this is great thank you for this I don't really like it this way I like it better normal there was a moment maybe I probably many years ago at this point,

where I felt like there's a lot of like video game mixes too, like any sort of like ambient loop thing. I do like that a lot now that you can get like really like eight bit mixes of whatever, red hot chili. There's like the sound, what do you call them? Sound font. Sound font. Thank you. Of Donkey Kong Country. But it's Californication, the red chili pepper's all in the entire, it's like the weird, you can get cool weird. That's been done for the Beach Boys Love You. Oh, I believe that.

It's possibly the last good Beach Boys album. So there's all these different kinds of loops and stuff, and then whenever it was, they started, so much video game music started being posted. I always loved all the Mario music and all the Nintendo music, but then you would get these loops of them and you'd start realizing, oh, this isn't just a fun little piece of music that I liked. These are like really genius level things that you can sometimes just because of the

old school sound of it, the eight bit sound of it, you're like, you don't necessarily notice how cool it is. And I feel like- It didn't have to be, whatever, the music and NBA Jam didn't have to be like so great and memorable. But you feel like people caring all across the board. In these video games, in the parks, it felt like a little content opportunity opened up and people filled it with love

and with cool keyboard sounds. Right, and then you get like, now you get like orchestra performances of Nintendo stuff, and then you go, holy shit, Super Mario World music is amazing. Yeah, those in particular are really something. Whoa, these songs are, I never even, I always liked these and they were so hummable, but like, I would love to hear that song in different styles too. Me too, I was just thinking about this recently. Well, I was thinking about this episode.

Like, if somebody did a, like if Russell Brower himself, I don't know, hosted or what do you call it, conducted the orchestra playing here, I assume this is actually an orchestra, not just synth. It sounds pretty real with a little bit of synth in there too. But I could be wrong. But if he did like something at, say, the Dr. Phillips Center in Orlando, Florida,

if he had a live show where he just played the interventions loop, I would probably get emotional. It feels impossible now, but the fact also, but then like 10 years ago, if you'd been told there's gonna be a like massive cult fandom of the track aquatic ambiance from Donkey Kong Country Yeah, like this will be played emotionally at festivals and people will be close to it It's like this is what this is why we have to do it

We have to like spread this fandom and get it out like like no Disney There's even more layers of cult fandom within your operator than you even do. You have to serve this now, you have to do an orchestral Russell Brower concert. Yeah, apparently he wasn't even gonna have music for this area because a executive, I listened to an interview about this, but the executive gave him a little guff about it.

Was like, that's a thoroughfare, nobody's gonna stop there, they don't need music, they can just go to the fountain if they want music. But he advocated for the grandparents and the parents who are waiting for their children to meet them at a central location. He said, you don't want them to sit in silence. This needs music.

Wow. So it's correct. Oh, it's like inclusive. Oh, that's great. And now everywhere you go at a Disney park, I don't think you would be able to find a silent section. Yeah. And that wasn't always the case, I don't think.

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, it's a big area with all this, too. Where the hell is all this music coming from? Sometimes you can see the speakers. Oh, yeah, yeah. But sometimes you really can't. In a lot of cases, you can't.

Kevin, when we were in Orlando, we had a great evening at Wilderness Lodge, where I had never been. You showed me all the great nooks and crannies. And at one point, when we were in Orlando, we had a great evening at Wilderness Lodge where I had never been. You showed me all the great nooks and crannies. And at one point when we were on our way, what is the train building? Where is the DVC, where all of Walt's train stuff is? The Carrollwood room?

The Carrollwood room. We were on a little covered bridge essentially to the Carrollwood room, and then noting how loud all of the cricket chirping was, and then we went, wait a minute, is this manufactured, and from where? And then we looked up, and there had been speakers so hidden, they were above us the whole time. And that's how I feel in a lot of these places.

Where is the music coming from? That's an incredible underrated part of, I'd say particularly Disney parks, but you know, but all parks. Yeah, maybe that's an episode where we like go through Disneyland and try to find all the speakers. I'm curious. Speaker hunt.

I mean sometimes you just find, like, because I know you've sent videos of just things like, you like this piece of music and then it's just playing off of like a little pod in a planter. And that's fine, you can do that. There's a charm to that too. Sometimes a barely visible speaker's fun, but an invisible speaker, what a magic trick.

Yeah, that's really cool. And to get something sounding good from a source you cannot see, that's wild. We did determine that those crickets were in fact being pumped in. Yeah, yes. But we completely, I mean we noted noted it, I guess, eventually. But it was realistic enough that we had the question.

Wilderness Lodge has a great loop, by the way. I didn't highlight it here, because it's sort of just generic, soaring. Inspiring nature. It actually is similar to Soarin'. National parks, John Muir, the State of America. But yeah, we haven't even, I don't think any of what we're talking about is hotels.

I mean, it's too much. And there's a lot of, like, there's, we haven't even, I don't think any of what we're talking about is hotels. I mean, it's too much. Yeah, that could be part two. And there's a lot of, like, some of them really are, like, you know, Resort gets a title, like, Saratoga Springs, and you're like, how do you score that? What is the music of Saratoga Springs? These people, they always figure it out. As it turns out, the Saratoga Springs loop, I think, is mostly just sort of, like, the type of music

I think you have dubbed, or maybe your wife has dubbed, crap jazz. Crap jazz. Like the Chukiko of the world. Just re-orchestrations of camp town races. Like jazzy camp town races. You need to be in charge of that soundtrack. He can be the music supervisor.

No, it's more just like weather channel music, which of course I like, but it's not. It's not for everyone. I know the line between like, because it's something I will play, I don't consider crap jazz. There is music, definitely instrumental music in the Disney parks that we call crap jazz,

but that is a loving term on our part. Actually, I think maybe we declared, this is a little cheesy, it's a little bit like, it's when things stop sounding as good, maybe in like 2000 or so. Yeah. And you don't have inherently cool production techniques as with 80s, 90s stuff.

But then the more time you spend in DCI wine area, you're like, I kind of love the crap jazz. I'm very fond of the crap jazz. I know, I like it too. I don't consider crap an insult anymore. I like all of it. Doesn't matter. I have that great Californian hotel and the restaurant.

I love any piece of music. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What else you got? Do you got other stuff from that? I have just a snippet of something else, but I will end the Ineventions Loop talk by saying this is my goat. 100% greatest of all time for me.

Russell Brow, who went on to do a lot of World of Warcraft. He's like a big good composer. So did David Arkenstone. They were both of them. Wow, wow. So Disney, this initial playground for composers who have gone on to do things that are like, you know, a little bit more mainstream. Yeah, and Arkenstone wasn't involved with Disney.

Arkenstone was just a guy that Russell Brower liked the music of. And then the Imagineers were like, no, we like that one. Keep that beginning in there. And right around it. No, please, We like Papillon. I just want to say the title here. No, wait. We really like Papillon on the wings of the butterfly. Off the album In the Wake of the Wind.

Which I have. It comes with a map. Whoa. A fictional land, Jason. I don't know. Oh, wow. Board of Entry shit. Yeah. We love it. That album cover, if we're thinking of the same one, that's an aesthetic that I would call a really specific early 90s micro aesthetic, which is Columbus score.

This is when we were going Columbus crazy for the 500th anniversary of 1492, when there were multiple Columbus films, I think one with a Vangelis score, yeah. Who factors into, there's some Vangelis in some of these things. But yeah, he was like, Jason, this album gives you a little bit more Columbus magic,

if that's what you're after. I feel like, because we got rid of Columbus for a while, and I feel like there was some horrible White House thing today, it was like, Columbus is back. Yeah. I feel like I saw that literally today. That's not what I'm saying, I don't agree. No, I'm not saying you're saying that, I'm just saying it's funny, I think it's more today. I think when I saw that literally today. That's not what I'm saying. I don't agree. I'm not saying you're saying that I'm just saying it's funny

I think it's more today. I'm when I say I think when I say Columbus Corps I actually think more of port of entry or so like oh sure imagine setting sail like imagine like a like a Good person who's taken a bunch of ships across the world like not a pirate perhaps a merchant. Yes merchant Yes, they're off to find nice spices. This is a cover for one of my beloved Ninja Turtles Adventures comics. In stone, 1492 on Donatello's back. Columbus mania really was.

Why is that happening? I don't remember. I just remember the cover after you said that going like Columbus. Well, this is January 1993. Oh, 1992 was Five Hunters. Okay. So they were somewhere in a storm near the Caribbean Sea. That's an interesting place to find the turtles.

Did I interrupt though? No, all I was going to say is if I was making a, I every once in a while make a list of like my favorite albums of all time and loops are not, loop is not album but if it was, if you consider the Innoventions loop an album I think it would be up there in my top ten. In your personal world all you need to do is the magic of a CD burning kiosk. Oh yeah. With CD burners.

And then it becomes an album. Every loop can be album with CD burners. With CD burners. Do you actually have a rank, like would it be like between seven, like do you have a number in your head where it would be? Or just you're thinking it would be in the ten? Be one. No.

I don't know. I mean like, I guess an easier way to phrase it is like if I had ten desert island albums. Yeah. To, you know, take with me, I think this would be, I would probably take a Beatles album on there, but this would kick a lot of Beatles albums off of there. I wouldn't be like, sorry. Wow, it might bump a few. What's the best one it bumps?

Yeah, maybe that, yeah. I remember Sgt. Pepper well enough, that's fine. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Soul stays, but Sgt. Pepper's gotta go. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know my soul stays, but Sergeant Pepper's gotta go. Yeah, and it would serve as a reminder of great memories in the parks

while I was on my desert island. Well, sure, hey, 45 minutes to an hour though, you're pushing that CD. How much audio that CD can hold? That's true, yeah. No, no, no, a burnable CD has 70 minutes. I know because I believe that's the number or something around there,

and I know this because I believe that's the number or something around there and I know this because I burn my dad a CD of instrumental surf music for his birthday, for Christmas, and for Father's Day. He makes me a track list that he writes out on a legal pad and he gives me a fun idea of a surf cover and title that it should have. And then I go ripping tracks on YouTube and I have to get out an old laptop that I only keep

because it has the ability to burn CDs and I make him a serve. I just did it the other day for his birthday. Happy 74. I have like a $15 external USB-C. Oh, you got the old external. Wow, wow. I had to burn a DVD of my,

I had to rip a DVD of my friend's sister's Bat Mitzvah from like 1998 or something the other day. That's a real mystery, ripping a DVD of my friend's sister's Bat Mitzvah from like 1998 or something the other day. That's a real mystery ripping a DVD that's like Apollo 13 like we need to make all this shit fit into this. I had to download Handbrake, remember Handbrake? Yeah, Handbrake forever. VLC is that the program? VLC failed me. That plays all... VLC can play an old DVD. Sometimes though it can rip things. I think I could have ripped it with VLC. I had to download Handbrake. Well, and then you have to go like, does it need to be playable or is it a data disk? Because a data disk can hold a lot more.

Well, that's like 800 megs, I think. Yeah, yeah, you gotta choose. Is it the 70 minutes or the 800 megs? Anyway, I was touching go. I thought maybe my Superdrive ate the DVD at one point. Anyway, I'm glad that we're just on YouTube now. We don't need to. Yeah, so people, these pioneers who've done all this work for us and posted it, God bless you if you've ever posted one of these loops, and something to all listeners out there, as you say, Desert Island Discs and number one,

maybe it goes without saying, please in comments or social media or wherever you interact with the show, let us know your favorite theme park area loop out there so we can highlight it in future episodes as we do this, explore this area more. Yeah, this might need a part two. Maybe so, maybe so. One last thing, international spotlight to Efteling in the Netherlands.

One of the only parks that I've been to that isn't Disney or Universal that has really great music. This is off of, this is the loop for their castle trackless dark ride, Symbolica, which the characters go, Symbolica. That is an incredible looking ride. Follows the magical journeys of the magical jester Pardosh,

and this is the sound of it. I think we did an episode and said that name completely not that way, I guarantee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, It's a reminder of course of Mario Odyssey. Yeah. Hmm. Isn't that nice? Yeah. Dee da dee. But it kind of goes through variations on that theme. Yeah. Throughout. Wow. That's something for, like, purely made for a theme park.

That's beautiful. I've been clamoring to get back to Efteling because it's a very strange park with kind of strange music. Oh, wow. Yeah, I'd love to go in general. All right, well, Kevin, I'm staying in a similar neck of the woods to you, which makes sense because I feel like our first contact, I don't

know if it was if you talked to me first or you just emailed the podcaster or how we first got in contact. That's a good question. I don't know either. It could have been that. But I know that the first you and I talked was that I had floated every once in a while,

I will bring up the kind of very relaxing 70s, 80s smooth jazz that I'm very passionate about that makes me a more relaxed person day to day. So I often say, I don't need to smoke cigarettes because I listen to music like this. And it really brings me down a notch, especially when a project is insane or whatever. But I'll drop a Bob James or a Dave Grusin

or a Lee Rittenhour, and you reached out, and I think sensing a kindred musical spirit, and said, do you know that there's this playlist of all of the music that would play at the contemporary in the lobby in the early 90s? That's right. I emailed, I remember I emailed it. That might have been like two general podcasts

the riot at Gmail, an email that we sometimes check. I'm sorry, I know. This was in a time where we might check it a little more thoroughly, but yours cut through because like, why yes, yes I do. And I took to that playlist so quickly. And that is not what I'm talking about. That's not what I chose, although it very well

could have been. But that like, I appreciated that you were like, okay, if he's like, you must have been like, I don't hear people reference this kind of music in the wild ever. I need to contact this person and make sure he knows that there is a way to feel at all times like you're in the lobby of the Contemporary in 1995. That's a great loop.

That has some serious smooth stuff on it. It has the Rippingtons on it. Oh, oh my god. Rippingtons is, that was really like, I thought that I didn't fuck with 90s jazz, and then the Rippington's changed everything. The Rippington's are a group who have, all of their album covers are this like,

this cat. Have a mysterious cat daddy on them. With like a big crazy, he's like sort of like a, he's like a Joe Camel who isn't like, there isn't the toxic association. He is vicious. He is a little bit of a viciousness. But he does have, he is like a cool jazz guy

and he's got a fedora and sunglasses. He definitely looks like he has sex. He's like a night owl jazz cat. Classy cat. Yeah, yeah. Not a gross cat, like a leisure suit Larry cat, or a Brits the cat. Yeah, no, He's wonderful.

And you told me not only about, you made me aware of the Disney Rippington's Association, but also that there's a music video where the Rippington's cat comes to life. Oh yeah. Yep. That's an incredible piece. For a tourist in paradise,

they're probably their closest thing they have to a single. And the cat, I think, is the voice of the part that's like, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. That's one you can hum. probably their closest thing they have to a single. And the cat, I think, is the voice of the part that's like, ba ba ba baby, baby. That's one you can hum. Da da da da, da da, da da da. It really is, if, listener, if you don't understand what this is and why I like it, I mean, imagine like, I think the closest way I could translate it is like,

do you like the tailspin theme? And do you want a ton of instrumental music that's like the tailspin theme and do you want a ton of instrumental music? That's like the tailspin theme so true lights tropical relaxation early 90s five this cat is a little lascivious Yeah, nowadays. It's a it's a long this is definitely a kind of a penis thing here Oh, wow for the heart. Oh god. It's Mike seeing his penises. I mean this is there's no doubt about it This is all right all right, but you know what doubt about it. This is his arm and his finger. You know what I'm saying? That's off their first album.

Look at a couple more variations on the Rippington's cat. Some of them don't have penis stuff. No, what I'm looking at, there is kind of a penis in the Rippington's cat. This is what Mike does. He ruins everything by seeing his subliminal penises everywhere. By seeing the truth.

I see the truth is what's happening here, is that this cat is a penis thing. But you know what? this car is a big dick This cat's driving a big dick car. No. It's a long yellow limo. That's weekend in Monaco. That's Killer that's hey, I'm not a me Mike. I'm about the music not about the subliminal penises that in that case aren't on the cover That's not a big long penis Mike. I think that one. It's his yellow car It's just a cool yellow car, but it's like kind of God say kind of like limpo It's like a little where's the penis and curves ahead where he's skiing down a hill find it

I'll find it purple ski is it because it's purple like a penis isn't really this one. I don't know I don't know that there's all right We're fresh from a big penises and everything fight that maybe the listener hasn't heard yet. Stay tuned to the second gate. Oh wow. You'll hear it soon enough. Penis everywhere. Mike and his penis everywhere campaign.

All right, I'm getting a little heated. I gotta cool down with some smooth jazz. So anyway, that's what you reached out about that. Also, shout out Kim Pencil. Love all Kim Pencil's shimmery piano music that was always available. Kim Pen Kim pencil really really blew my mind And s y l yes confusingly even though his album doesn't doesn't they're like a pencil pun in the album sketches Pencil sketches, but it's spelled like his real name P en s y l

This is you know I like all this stuff too. I was listening to a lot of ambient music S-Y-L. That's good. I like all this stuff too. I was listening to a lot of ambient music kind of around the time when we were all listening to a lot of Japanese city pop. It's a very close cousin of ours. Also, spotty on Spotify. No, almost none.

You got to go to YouTube. Yeah, you got to go to YouTube. Some stuff is on Apple Music, but some stuff, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all on YouTube. But ambient music, I really like having it on and having it on in the background. Can't fall asleep to it. Oh. Because it, I don't know, it just starts to have the reverse effect of relaxing.

Really? I don't know if it's changes in movements. Whoa. But sometimes it stresses me out. Well listen, what I'm, at some point in my loop, I am going to play a piece of music that is definitely, that I became even more familiar with due to Kevin's play, Liminal Oasis,

and what I'm going to play is a guaranteed sleep aid relaxer. The B piece of music of any I've ever found that is a path to the end of an anxious night. I've never found something that is more the key. And if, boy, if I could help anybody with sleep anxiety out there, if this piece has the magic that it has for me, I would love to be able to pass this along to you.

Which I need to get the link for that Liminal Oasis playlist, because too many people are abusing the word liminal on Spotify Even searching under playlists. It's just Impossible. I felt a little bad Using the word liminal because I feel like I see it used incorrectly are overused But I hope that when people listen to my playlist they've deemed it worthy of the word No, I'm sure you've done the work on it, I'm sure you know it, but it fits. Are you being careful with that word?

Are you saying you're finding counterfeit liminal playlists a lot? Just a million playlists with the word liminal in it. Okay but you're not looking for the holy trees. It sounds like a cool word but it doesn't actually like Claire. Whereas I think you are describing all music that could play in a place that is somewhere between being open and closed. Like a dead mall. Yes, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of dead mall playlists,

style playlists, for sure. Yeah, but you gotta, you know, look. But I think a lot of that just sounds too modern or something, like I don't think they're really hitting the nail on the head with some of that like, dead mall aesthetic. It's not, because ball music isn't actually like, weird and scary.

Like I like Vaporwave, but that's not what actually plays at a mall, like Rippington's are what plays at a mall. This kind of music is what plays at the mall. I'm gonna start getting into this. This is what I have chosen, A Close Cousin to Interventions, Tomorrowland, 1989 to 2003. This is the music from Magic Kingdom Tomorrowland. Now I have a question about this which is like is this really what was still playing in the Buck Rogers 94 era? It

doesn't kind of doesn't seem right to me. It might be mislabeled. Well I have some stuff like that but also the one website that does a lot of retro WDW. They have video from very early Tomorrowland 94. Like it's not everything's open yet, and they're playing like that music that plays when the Looney Tunes go to a factory. Oh really? That's that dun dun dun, da da da da da.

Oh interesting. And so I don't know if that was just placeholder or what on the people mover. I don't want that. But I have no memory of that. No, thank you. I want the pure relaxation of what I'm going to start playing here.

And I've referred to this on the show before. This is not the actual name, but I saw a YouTube comment refer to it as this. And I can never unhear it. It's what it is in my heart to me. Wherever it played, I think some of this might have been in the Tokyo Tomorrowland in this era as well, but what I will always know it as

is the bubble shuffle loop, and that is due to the first track, Bubble Shuffle, by Larry Carlton. Here it comes. Oh, that little pad. It's like, is it space music? I don't know. Maybe not. But I like what it's doing to me.

Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Ha. This is really the good stuff. Did Larry Carlton play the solo on Steely Dan's Kid Charlemagne? That is correct. So Larry, yeah, Larry Carlton. I finally have a show sanctions excuse to talk about Steely Dan's Steely Dan solo. He's one of the great, I mean all the greatest guitarists of the era, you know, tried to cut it with Dan and not everybody could, but he was one of the best. Yeah, he's Kid

Charlamagne. He's Don't Take Me Alive. He's Third World Man. I think he's on Josie. Many of the greats. But this is from a solo album. This is from a solo album, I think from 1989, called On Solid Ground. And here's what's crazy about that. Yeah, I think it's from 89. And what we're hearing is about as chill as you could imagine. Would you believe that midway through the making of this album was a heinous act of violence that almost threatened

Larry Carlton's guitar playing career forever? No, I didn't know this. It doesn't square with what we're listening to at all. Apparently, he was literally halfway through the album, and he was going to pull an all-nighter and get three more tracks out, get this thing out into the public for their relaxation purposes.

He goes outside, because he hears a weird sound, like what's going on in the neighborhood, and he's just randomly shot. Just like a teenager who's maybe trying to commit a robbery there or elsewhere, just like Starls him and he shoots him. Let's try to square that with this incredible solo as all Larry Carlson solos are. The shot. Yeah

Like and literally and just it's crazy that it was this album I never heard this about this man, but then the album becomes half of it was in the can but then it becomes his path to recuperation and to like, yes, I can play guitar again. Wow. Because halfway through the album, he wondered if it affected him exactly in the nerves where maybe he will never play guitar again. And he described it as like he became a baby.

He had to learn how to even hold hold the guitar and then within six months because he's a legend of all time He not only figured it out. He got maybe better than he was before He re-recorded some of the tracks because he thought they didn't have the juice and now he's playing like with the post-shooting aggression He has stuff to like work out, feelings to work out about the horrible thing that he went through. And then he gets this album done, proves that he is on solid ground still musically and lifestyle-wise. And then he does a benefit concert to help other like victims of random acts of violence. Like let's raise money for people where there is no specific Like you don't know who the assailant is or why or why it happened

He did a big concert raised a ton of money got his pals Michael McDonald and Joni Mitchell to come play Wow, because he's also the guitar on help me one of the biggest Joni Mitch So this is the true legend this guy then he goes and like it does You know ton more benefits for that raises a ton of like he's this guy raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for people who were randomly attacked what and then his music sounds this good and relaxing how about that broadcast news and newspapers were very obsessed with quote random acts of violence I feel like in the 90s well Well, he proves that it wasn't a fake thing. Yeah, as a kid.

It was an actual concern. It happened to, we were almost robbed of this piece of, I don't know if this track, Bubble Shuffle, was done pre-shooting or post-shooting, but if it was post, and if this random guy almost robbed the world of Bubble Shuffle and my favorite Disney music loop. My god. No amount of jail could be enough. Infinite life sentences for that.

But if that did happen you would at least... So Bubble Shuffle, I agree, is the fulcrum of this Tomorrowland loop, right? It is sort of the... It is a centerpiece. What a title. Incredible title. This is what I would very creatively call a playlist area loop, where it's really just a playlist of a. This is true. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's not composed. I mean, similar to Wonders of Life, I would say. Like, yeah. There is not always a custom. It's a little bit more of a little curated mix, for sure. Yes. And whoever was on this task of curating Area Loop playlists in the late 80s, early 90s

was kicking ass at it. And they clearly just had a, I would love to know the full process. Was it an Imagineer? I heard a small thing from Imagineer, Eddie Soto, Soto? Oh yeah, he's very on mine, yeah, yeah. He gives us a lot of factoids, yeah. Selecting the music for Frontierland and Main Street,

I found a snippet about that. But I don't know if, is he the mastermind behind the wonders of life in Tomorrowland? God, it up to who's in charge of the land? Or do they hire a music supervisor, like a movie would, like somebody to pick the tracks, who's like, because you need some, to find some of these, to find Inside the Sky by Steve Hahn, it's gotta be somebody

who knows like 100,000 albums. You know, it's gotta be somebody who knows like 100,000 albums. You're not just gonna chance into these tracks. I think some of this stuff, and Kevin, I do have to tell you when you said, does so and so play on the Steely Dan record, we should probably put a chapter marker there because like half the audience

gonna be like pumping their fist and half are gonna be like, oh, I'm gonna come back to this later. I'm gonna put on something more jolly. Who is this half? Show yourselves, name yourselves. But what I was gonna say was like, yes, some of this stuff,

statistically, some of this stuff has to have been made by someone going, oh shit, we needed that yesterday. Yeah, yes, true. Who can we call who's a ringer who can turn this around in 48 hours? That's true, yeah, no, it might be, it could be a rush job, it could be somebody who was barely paid or not at all. I didn't, I don't know if I was like 15 or like 21

before I realized you could make music and not care about it is a concept like music to me felt like it was so important and it must just be pouring from like the deepest recesses of your mind right so the idea that like oh yeah people are on con maybe was the Ben Fold song one down one down is that what it's called about finishing his contract out and finishing the song when I realized oh you could this is a job for some people. Now hang on, we are not, I don't want to hear it said.

I'm not saying that. Larry Carlton doesn't care. I think you're describing selecting the playlist. Well, yeah, selecting the, I found, I've mentioned this before, but there's a podcast episode, the unofficial Universal Orlando podcast, the music of Marvel's Super Hero Island, with composer Howard Drossin. And he is pretty upfront about this.

It's from 2016. And he's very upfront. You're going to say that he's never gone to Marvel's Super Hero Island, right? Yeah. You've told us. We've heard this one before. This is, you can't believe this.

Well, he, I just, less that he couldn't gone, but more that the anecdote of like, I have a couple teenagers, would they like it? And it's like, yes, there's this giant roller coaster. But just when he's like, yeah, I think I have the mini, the original mini discs around here somewhere with that music. this sticks in your This is what I'm saying where you're allowed him on hallowed ground you're 12 years old and you're just like this must be you

This man's passion project to Compose all this music he cares so much about spider-man well, but then they think sold the souvenir CD with track by track I hate to tell you he didn't give a shit Sold the souvenir CD with track by track. Right, they did. All the original music. I hate to tell you, he didn't give a shit about Marvel's Super Hero Island. It was a gig, but he jerked it off, basically. Yeah, it was a gig. This is Jason learning for the first time

that anyone doesn't give a shit about Marvel's Super Hero Island. I was hoping you'd bring this part up about the man. What's his name? Say his name. Howard Drozin. Hey, Howard, fuck you! Whoa!

Not caring about Marvel at all. No! You warped this innocent young brain. I'm trying to give him his flowers. I'm trying to give him a little attention. He doesn't deserve it. He didn't put the passion into that music. That's what I think.

People are booing because a Steely Dan guitarist was mentioned and then we're praising Howard Drozin despite him jizzing all over the most sacred property in land. Jizzing in a bad way, jizzing in a bad way. Jizzing in a bad way. Jizzing in a... inappropriate... Not to create life. That's what I'm saying. The only reason to jizz.

That's the reason, yes. Do we like the Marvel Super... Sorry to interrupt, but Tomorrowland. You guys say, yes I do! Yes I like it! Breaks his computer while saying it. That's not even one of my lips. But we do like it. I like it in the context of Marvel Super Hero Island,

but I don't know that I like it outside of that context. Yeah, it's very intense. Hard rock. Hard rock, yeah. The hardest rock. But I don't know that it's like something I listen to otherwise. I don't know that they wear it.

Jason demanded that it be his wedding march. I mean. Brings the Bluetooth speaker. Well, no, that was the call to adventure, because why, what greater adventure is there than that of matrimony? That of marriage. All right, I'm gonna play a little bit more of this.

I don't have to do a ton, but I do just wanna get a quick hit of Nightfire Dance. Andreas Wallenweider. Wow, you had it. That you know the artist. German harp player. Wait, from the album Down to the Moon. Now here's what I'm talking about, these synth voicings where like not afraid to be a little cheesy. Little Mark Mothers bow. Yes, a little penis play-outs.

Because they love, this is the, it's a dangerous time synth-wise, it's late 80s where people realize they can sample a voice and then do wah wah wah wah, I am a voice who is a keyboard. But there's a lot I love, I've taught regerman, a whole album that way, which is wonderful. This whole album is very fun. Down to the Moon. Yeah. Down to the Moon. Kind of all sounds like this, if you like.

This always sounds like Lowrider to me. I was just about to say it sounds like Lowrider. Yeah. Which probably was intentional. I love, you also just, this genre of music names itself perfectly. The album down to the moon The songs moon dance steam forest silver wheel steam for us hush patients at bamboo forest And this is pre-tion this is pre AI like like nowadays chat GPT would probably tell you all these

forest like think of these names for you. This I feel like I gotta make it to the weird little solo that comes. Is it this? There's some change to this too. Love this. It's really like. I'm in the future.

This is a wonderful future. This is an 80s. That really feels video game To me and like it would score a level that like is just like you're in a forest But then like something like glitches or something like there's like that like the very strange synth sound that kind of like What's the I can't think of anything today on the unlike a MIDI keyboard where you push the wheel up and down? Yeah, the pitch bend the pitch bend. Thank you It feels like that and it and it feels like you would score like a video game level where you're in a forest,

but then some weird color shoots out of the ground or the screen glitches, or like, there's something odd about this forest. Hey, Mike, I'm gonna give you a little credit here. I don't think anyone's gonna give you a tough time for not remembering. Pitch wheel? What the wheel, the tiny wheel on a MIDI keyboard is called.

Jason hates music stuff That's what we're finding right now. People are booing about stealing What is this? Appreciate was gonna say but I bet there are people are going it's a goddamn pitch wheel. It's easy There are I think I appreciate you were trying to make me feel better, but now I feel worse. It's a lot of people throwing their phones at the wall. Like, how do you not know pitch wheel?

I think from what I've heard, you might have the hippest music taste of the host. Oh, sure. I'm sorry. Hip for 20 years ago. Correction, Jane has the hippest music taste. Well, yeah, Jane has the hippest. Jane can detect stuff.

You're pretty hip, too. And knows all the songwriters. You don't have to give that to me, because I have no concerns about being hip. I gave it up a while ago. I learned the name Max Martin last year. Max Martin. Max Martin was a hit maker of our time.

Well, I knew the hits of our time, but I didn't know all the team are you into what's his name Benson Boone? Is that his name? Flipping guy yeah, yeah, yeah, like it hip to be into Benson Boone or is that just the most popular music? Bones and honeydew I can get Bunsen honeydew I argue that. Selena Gomez's fiance is? Benny Blanco. Benny Blanco is not Benson Boone. No, Benny Blanco is not Benson Boone.

I've been making for weeks. That's right. No, two different guys. Well, let me do another one of those and say that the track that I now must play, this is not by recent guest Paul Shear. It is by Paul Spear and David Lans. This is from the album Natural States.

The track is Behind the Waterfall. This is what I referred to as a go-to sleep aid. This almost feels too personal at this point to play for you all and on the podcast. But we've discussed Behind the Waterfall. We've been Behind the waterfall many times. The backside of water. Wow, it ties together.

I don't think they're related. Here it comes. Here we go. Scott, your eyelids. They look like they're drooping. Sorry, you're losing me. Oh, here comes the REM. Here comes REM sleep. Sleep shakes. Yes. Man.

If we could all catch a quick two minutes. Yeah, that's fine. We should be allowed. We do long episodes. Let's all just, yeah, close your eyes, everyone. A little exercise. My nose is a little stuffed up, so if I try to breathe through it, I'm sorry. That's the allergies in California that I get.

Yeah, you gotta try for these. I heard about this Flonase thing, and I do think that's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. I'm sorry It's the allergies in California that I get You gotta try Flo Nays I heard about this Flo Nays thing and I do think I should try it

Don't, I swear if you talk about CVS kinda bullshit over my favorite track It's probably where you get it though If you can get a prescription for Flo Nays in Zartek it's cheaper than UTC Oh really? Yeah This song really does have healing powers, though. Yeah. It's helping me ignore everything that's being said right now.

Jason, you think you could just get me that prescription? I don't want to feel like going into a doctor. Oh, OK. Probably has some extra likes. See, this is me at night going like, I can't sleep. I don't know. What am I doing? I'm on a podcast where there's tangents about CVS,

and people say things like stinky urethra and that'll be 20 minutes of the episode every week. But you know what, it's okay because if I can calm down, if I can calm down. Oh, and now a new instrument is playing. I think this is a very tasteful. The call of the elk. I don't know what sounds like that.

You imagine that an elk walked up and that's the elk's voice. Here it comes. I said, look, I see things when I hear music. What can I tell you? Anything is valid. Anything that you feel in this natural state. This is from the omnipresent New Age record label, Narada. Yep.

Yes. And I was going to say, I think maybe whoever was curating these loops maybe wasn't just going off the whole world of music. Maybe they knew Narada and their imprint, Narada Mystique. Maybe they, yeah, oh okay. And also Windham Hill. Or Narada Equinox.

Narada Equinox. Which is what this is from. Wow, and a Narada Insider. And Narada Milwaukee based label. What? Yep, and they're- I would have assumed this was like, that their headquarters were at the top of the Himalayas.

All of the, no, Narada was in Wisconsin, and I only know this cause on the cassettes for these albums, a lot of which I have, the address is on there, and it's on like, I think North Farwell Street in Milwaukee, where is now a pizza restaurant called Pizza Shuttle. Wow, all the world's new age music came from the pizza shuttles. Oh yeah and I've been to Pizza Shuttle many times. They have pinball machines

there so I don't remember that I'll let it wrap up there I highly recommend that I honestly it's where a park would you find that that's still tomorrow that's tomorrow yeah yeah I believe so well and this that track was also in wonders of life that's right that I was shared between what was potentially yours you got it some of these did repeat here and there. There's not that many repeats, but I feel like they picked the tracks, the best tracks to repeat behind the waterfall

being in multiple places. Do you think the guy who knew Narada, do you think he just spread it, like, stretched it, like, divvied it out, really, like, really stretched out his billable hours. He didn't tell them right away about the label Nirvana. I'll have to search far and wide for music that fits these themes.

I will have to travel to lands far and near. Why, I imagine it will take me three months with a musical sherpa. Another three month contract, I believe, is due. Increase in pay. Well, they chose beautifully. I do have to thank, for your playlist, and which, because here's what I'll do.

I'll go to your playlist. I'll start with that. That's the base. And then I'll just let it randomize. Take me somewhere else. Yeah, and sometimes. In this terminal oasis, and it really works. And my, like, there's been bad sleep anxiety, for sure,

for the last five years or so. This thing, this always does it. I will say, I don't think it's... I'm glad you're having luck with it for sleep because it wasn't designed for sleep necessarily. No, and something suddenly there will be like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun It does work. A lot of it definitely does work. Liminol Sleep Oasis would be a good branch. Maybe I could start my own Nerada Mystique type imprint of my playlist. You should be the new, and oh, and we should say, I mean, that was the inspiration for your opening track, which I knew as soon as I heard it. Like, oh my God, this motherfucker just, David Lansd, our theme song, and I couldn't be more honored. You Nerada'd us, and I thank you for that.

Happy to do it. There's a really good live video of David Lanz and Paul Spear playing that song. Oh. And I was surprised to see that I think Paul Spear, because David Lanz plays piano, and he's playing a synth. I think it's like a DX7 synth. Then I think Spear is playing an acoustic electric guitar.

Which is interesting and it's making a very nice sound and they both look, I think they're wearing baggy sleeves and probably some crystals. And then there's a dude that, not David Lans or Paul Spear, there's a dude just going hog wild on some bongos. You gotta have that. Rippington says one of the great ponytailed gourd shakers.

You gotta have a big gourd with a net on it. And the beginning of the video is like Desert Sands Tour or something, sold out show in Mexico City. And it's like this giant, seemingly like amphitheater arena, and it really looks like it's sold out. So this must have been semi-big. Maybe it was a festival or something.

But people were out there for Lands and Spear playing behind the waterfall a lot. Good, good. I am glad that is the case. Are these guys still around? Mm-hmm. David lands is Definitely, I don't know if they still don't know if he still makes music

Epcot that's such a good idea Mike get the yeah I don't know if it's are they more of us are more appropriate for the garden rocks or eat to the beat I don't know which event or for just have them play live next to Walt's okay Have them sit down next to the sitting Walt. Because that's where their music belongs. That's true. You don't rock out the way you do to Smash Mouth with New Singer.

That's what each of the movies is for. They replaced poor Steve so goddamn fast. I feel that. They had a guy in mind. Right. He passed away and it was like, Smash Mouth's on the road, like six months or under. They were able to audition them very fast, because the audition was just like,

all right, sing the word some, and they just need to. They needed to know that. Somebody just go, some, some. And that's in the, they had a hallway of people all tuning up. Some, some, some, some, some, some, some. Wait, I don't got it, let me try again, SOM. Next.

Oh shit. Smash Mouth is good. Yeah, anyway. This is the kind of thing you text each other, Smash Mouth is good. Yeah, we talk about Astral Lounge. Yeah, you guys hang out at the Astral Lounge. Oh, we sure do.

You're waiting for this. We'll create a virtual Astral Lounge. Epcot should start having its own Astral Lounge. Astral Lounge. There is a bar coming to, around Space and Earth. Space, what better to call it? It's a literal Astral Lounge. There is a bar coming to around the earth. So it's a literal astro lounge. Play the innoventions loop in the spaceship earth bar and lounge. Why not? Either you could have some random piece of music or you could have something that people would

appreciate that's old school that takes you there and in my case puts you to sleep. Why do fintechs like Float choose Visa? As a more trusted, more secure payments network, Visa provides scale, expertise, and innovative payment solutions. Learn more at visa.ca slash fintech. All right, well, I've got the aux cord now. Let's stay in the Tomorrowland neck of the woods, and I will eventually get to some new agey stuff for another loop, but let's jump into something very Goofy you said earlier goofy and a little jolly Yeah, well this sense man I put this on as a relaxer before real

Like we've all we all know this I think if we're the theme park people, listeners and us. Yeah, so this is a loop. I would date this to the later 90s. Kevin, you mentioned there is some Randy Newman. Yeah. Like, remix Toy Story Randy Newman. I've got some of the remixed songs. Like, A Strange Day's.

Queued up. A Strange Thing. A Strange Thing. of the remixed songs queued up. But more for the theme part kind of remix. But some of this stuff I'm not sure if it's like, well I don't know if that's Rocket to the Moon because I was not alive for that, right? Or I guess I was alive for that one. I was alive for Mars, Mission to Mars, but not Rocket to the Moon. But some of this stuff just sounds like kind of fun, retwy, sci-fi spacing. What park we think here? This is Disney World.

That's Miracle for Molecules playing right there. Miracles for Molecules. Oh it is. Playing right there. Miracles for Molecules. From Inner Space? Yeah, that's the song, yeah. I don't know that song well enough to know that. From, wait, from Adventures Through Inner Space? Yeah.

Or from the Joe Dante movie, Inner Space. Yeah, just a little reference. Right, there are a couple Inner Spaces. So this is the thing they do now a little bit, is like reincorporate Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow for kind of the tracks from Retired Attractions. That's fun. Which, if you have to, if that's how we get new,

original music or newly arranged music in the parks, it has to be IP or like, nodding to the past. The Toontown or the Tomorrowland one you're sharing. Like I'm fine with that. Well they made all this cool music for Tomorrowland 2055 that leaked somehow that maybe was recorded off of a bathroom speaker.

They're like a never built redo for Disneyland. This is so, for some reason, just the music leaked and it's a bunch of very stirring orchestral covers of songs from Tomorrowland past. And it's all very, they started playing, they played it in a, they tested the music in a Tomorrowland bathroom for some reason.

This was gonna be the score for the whole land, and they decided let's play it in the bathroom, and that's the only remnant of this never built Tomorrowland version. And somebody happened to be taking a shit with an induction recording microphone and yeah in 1994 yeah Brought the tape recorder to the shitter with them because you mentioned it here is

the ramp up To great big beautiful tomorrow. This is good stuff. I know the ramp up. This is where you get like site This is good stuff, I know. The ramp up, this is when you get like psyched. So peppy. It is peppy. And it's just, it gives me the imagery in my mind of shooting stars and the astro. Those little blub blub blub blub, like the little.

Yeah, that'll shoot me. It feels like the little things go sailing. We got some of those in our intro, little things that feel like shooting stars. No inspiration for your... As I was dissecting that, by the way, listening to just making sure I knew for my variation on it, I was admiring your handiwork there. I don't even know, I'd have to go back and look and see what that is.

Here's another one. All these different synths and logic. Now is the time, right? Yeah, the best time of your life. Here's another one. Synths and Logic. Now is the time, right? Yeah, the best time of your life. Second Carousel of Progress theme. Yes. And then A Great Big Beautiful Morrow comes back brand new.

But this was GEF for a brand new, like, buy the appliances now song. for a brand new, like, buy the appliances now song. Yeah, this is a great loop. And as far as I know, they still play some of this in Tomorrowland at Disney World. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. It feels like I still hear that. You can hear a lot of it on the People Mover. Yeah, is there Strange Things

from the Toy Story soundtrack on there? Or am I thinking of something different? I've heard that somewhere. Yeah, I've heard it somewhere. Maybe it's not on this. I've heard it in Disney Land. That is on here. Does this same music show up in Disney Land Tomorrowland? It feels so familiar. It feels right. Yeah. So here's one more theme park one. This is if you had wings. Oh yeah?

But it's really spacey. Really, really emotional. Yeah, and this bears some sonic similarities to the new age music of the other loops. Yeah. But it's just a little bit more goofy, wacky. A little more, yeah, the sci-fi is more... Yeah. just a little bit more goofy, wacky. A little more, yeah, the sci-fi is more. Yes.

I mean, in a way, the smooth jazz as Tomorrowline Music makes no sense. But I like the kind of future they're imagining here. Right, I wonder what the future. Which increasingly we're not in. And maybe if we listen to more jazz. I feel like that was a pitch bend. Don't tell this guy about pitch bends.

I feel like there was a little pitch bend. He doesn't like it. I was trying to do something nice. I was calling was a pitch bend. Don't tell this guy about pitch bends. I was trying to give him crap. I was trying to do something nice. I was calling out a pitch bend. I was just trying to say. This is just a fun loop. Yeah, it's really fun.

I mean, it's a lot of like, beep boop music. A robot would listen to when the robots go on the ride. But it's not like, like, out-ticker or some sort of crazy beep-boop music. It's not harsh. Yeah. It's a pleasant beep-boop music for the children. For kids.

For kids. Yeah. Now, this is the other one, and we're getting more new agey. Oh, my god. This is my sleep. This is my sleep music. This is, well, this is like a 36 minute loop and it says the YouTube video was named islands of adventure

entrance loop ocean trader market Ocean trader market you can find on the official islands of adventure album. It's like just under three minutes But this one has a lot more Flourishes no, I feel like this should be like just under three minutes, but this one has a lot more flourishes. There's no, it feels like this should be like, like Belle in Beauty and the Beast, or like little town moments. It does kind of sound like that. Like Jason should be doing the lyrics.

Like Jason should be singing about like, he's in the morning and he's getting a Cinnabon. Here I am lighting up my long cigarette. Parliament. Oh yeah, this is cigarette smoking music, isn't it? The bubble order is taking too long. Some of the music, not just this, but some of the other music today,

reminded me of the term from the 80s and 90s. I don't know when people coined the term. Changes a little. But Global Village Coffee House, have you encountered this? Oh, I love the aesthetic you're showing me here. Yeah, well it's very, how do you, I mean it's sort of like, it's kind of in the Borders Bookstore zone. That's the kind of art that would be on a coffee cup. Atlantic Dance Hall, as I showed you.

Oh right, right, right. And what you described as yearbook art. Yeah, like yearbook core, but that's maybe a little bit different than global village coffee shop. Yeah, global village coffee shop or global coffee shop. This was a thing that as I was Googling it earlier in the episode,

people were talking about it and catching on on TikTok. So there has been some revisiting. This is the steel drums part of this arrangement. This is when you're waiting for your Cinnabon. Well, no, this is before you enter the park, I think. So this is not port of entry. This is before you, before even. This is ticket area.

I think maybe you can hear bits of it in Port of Entry, but around the tickets and those coverings and the lighthouse they have, and it's just very chill. It just goes with the chill. Port of Entry is very chill. It's chill and mint, but mysterious. It is mysterious. You don't know what adventures you're about to embark on.

And maybe you were about to say something about this, Jason, but do you know about the dynamic nature of this track? Where the different pans? What about that? Yeah, so as you pass through Port of Entry, from the way I understand it, there's so that ding ding ding ding ding. They have multiple instruments doing multiple tracks of that and as you go from area to area like you pass by where the

person is giving music lessons in the port of entry and you can hear the version of that that has like whatever instrument she's playing or teaching and you can hear her playing it. Is it a ukulele? Maybe. The Pirates with Ukuleles? Yeah, but there probably is a ukulele thing. But different speakers in the land play the same song, but different isolated tracks of it. So it all creates this living soundtrack that you walk through and you hear different parts as you go to different places.

Yes. Which is really cool. Geez, that's pretty genius. Here's another bit of this arrangement kicks in in just a second. The clapping. The clapping goes on for so long. So I think the clapping is one of those isolated tracks.

There's probably where you walk by a certain part and the clapping is very loud because it's coming from that speaker. One specific speaker. And it's probably thematic clapping. I don't know. I'll have to check, but. Yeah, so this is broken up.

I mean, well, that's another Island of Adventure track. It sounded like you were like mixing it in there. Well, as Kevin has told us, it's very easy to mix. Port of Entry and the entrance area, stuff goes in and out a lot. I think there was also something, I forget what the full definition was, but Islands of Adventure, the first park with some sort of dynamic audio.

The speakers are all over. Oh, really? with some sort of dynamic audio. Like the speakers are all over. Oh really? And I think every land had original music too. So if you look at the Islands of Adventure official soundtrack on Spotify or Apple Music, they break down the call to entry slash main theme, Confisco Grill, Ocean Trader Market, Skipper Island tours,

those are all the port of entry individual tracks. Right, and these were on a CD, and the composer, if I recall, is William Kidd, but I don't know really anything else about William Kidd. Okay. Have his teenagers been to the port of entry? Yeah, does he have respect for Marvel and all of its great heroes?

Yeah, William Kidd is not... Dorsen. Dorsen. Drosen. Drosen, Dorsen. Henry? What was his name? Henry Drosen, seems right, but who knows? I don't know. We should not remember his name after what he did.

The disrespect. That ocean trader market loop, if my wife hears that, she knows I'm taking a nap. That's my nap in music. Wow. That knee-nee-doo-doo-doo-doo. She's like, oh, he's laying down for a nap. The shop keep is not in right now. Is everyone doing music to go to sleep here? I don't usually. It's a loaded question. It's like honestly that behind the waterfall, that's like I've hit an emergency Oh really that's it's 2 a.m. And I gotta be up for something early I gotta bring out the big guns and that's when I go to that cuz usually hopefully if I'm all right

Just a podcast is doing it for me. Maybe a point seven five podcast but Yeah, I'm actually not typically a music We should have blasted that that first night we were in Orlando because I feel like we couldn't get to sleep. That was terrible for both of us. Yeah, I know, horrible sleep for both of us. I was fucking on a high from the first night of Jell-O-Rolls and I knew it was an exciting day.

The next day I couldn't. Pre-epic? Pre-ep, isn't it? An exciting day the next day knowing that you'd be at Jell-O-Rolls again. Yes, I was very excited for the end of the next day. But yeah, it was hard getting to sleep. Benny, Jason, are you a music guy at the night now?

No, I usually put on podcasts to go to sleep. Same, for a good night's sleep, I do old Disney podcasts that have old news in them. I. From the path, so not relevant, oh yes, you've said you've downloaded a bunch of podcasts from like 2009. Yeah, there's.

Wow. It's kind of a thing, but what podcast do you do? I will put it on and then eventually, I'll do like 15 or 30 minutes sleep timer. Yeah. Because then in the morning, I actually wanna hear the episodes and then I'll have to backtrack

to when I remember. Well this is the key, I think the key is, it's gotta be a podcast that you don't actually care about listening to. And I don't, that's just, be a podcast that you don't actually care about listening to and I don't That's just for that's you know I don't want to make a rule for it because I know people probably listen to this show to fall asleep And that's fine. I wouldn't take it as an insult. That's a that's a compliment. I might wake up laughing You're gonna be so uproarious

You're gonna be you're gonna be woken up I mean what how many laughs per minute on this show nine Well, they did a study and yeah, it's nine laughs per minute. Yeah, you know we and that's a weak minute That's if we aren't really cooking I have started laying like turned it into a snort So it's not to wake the dog or my wife Oh you've you've routed your own laugh into a snort to try to not But doesn't the snort make the dog think that a big boar is coming in? No. Yeah, like a wild boar? Don't be silly, Scott. Of course he doesn't think that.

He's a dog who can reason. He would never. My go-to is, because it's usually the voices are restrained. So it's podcasts are really, well, your Kickstarter sucks. Their voices are pretty level. There's podcasts called Western Kabuki about internet stuff. And then there is a married couple from Australia, comedians Demi Lardner and Tom Walker, that podcast is a very funny non sequitur title, bigsofttitty.png.

But that has nothing to do with the content of it, it's just very funny. They're on Twitch a lot too. I just heard that person on the guys podcast, I think. Yes, they both been on guys, they're very funny. It might have been for the fart guys episode. Demi is on the guys podcast I think. Yes, they both been on guys. They're very funny. It might have been for the fart guys episode. Demi is on the fart guys.

I forget which one Tom is on. But that's too interesting of a podcast to listen to for me sleeping. I have to listen to like Inside the Magic. Before Inside the Magic was a terrible website that has. Before Ricky's Soul. The Soul, yeah. Ricky era inside the magic.

So you know Ricky. Ricky Briganti. You know of Ricky Briganti. Yeah, Ricky Briganti. Yeah, I have his full library of, which are now completely removed from the internet. Wow. His podcast from 2005 to 2014.

I have every episode and I just pick a random number and I listen to that to fall asleep. That sounds delightful. That's a real cousin of having the database, the torrented collection of all of the CD kiosk music. Right, but this is just one where it's like, you can figure out, you're hearing news of, he would always start it with the news of the week,

and it would sometimes be like, there's a new version of Test Track coming or something more monumental, Expedition Everest, but then sometimes it's like, it's like Bolt's DVD is going to come out. And it has, it has these special features. And we've interviewed this person about the Bolt DVD.

Disney this week, it's a heavy anticipation for sure-to-be biggest blockbuster of the summer the Lone Ranger. America has Lone Ranger fever and we're here to capitalize on it. Yep. Tonto mania. The savior of frontier land. What else you got Jason? Oh that was it. Those from iTunes., wonderful. Well, thanks for the clapping. So yeah, the Marlan. Wait here. Let's all clap for that. OK, again, now pan it.

Now go to the other side of the mic. Great, great, great. Oh, that's very dynamic. Binaural audio. Binaural audio. It's perfect. It's perfect. There are podcasts of people walking around the theme parks

and recording with binaural mics. And that, I've used to fall asleep if they're just riding the Monorail. Oh yeah, I used to do that too. Yeah. Like I had this recording of Ellen's Energy Adventure, and this was when I was very young. But you don't have to add a qualifier to that.

There's always a good age to fall asleep in Ellen's Energy Adventure. Something about this particular one just seems like kind of sicko mode. And so yeah, I was like 13 or 14, but I had this like just the entire 45 minute Ellen's Energy Adventure attraction audio. And I would fall asleep to that or the American Adventure.

You were channeling the spirit of overheated dads for both of those. That's right. And I did sleep in both of those attractions. Maybe that's why. But you didn't get overheated in a different way by sexy, sexy Bill Nye, a la somebody's brussel bride over here.

My, that's right. That Nye. Jason's arch nemesis now. It's Bill Nye. Get you, Nye. Oh, my elementary school fond member is replaced by Zinn. Your fun music videos are not fun to me anymore. Beakman was better than you.

Oh my fourth grade science teacher was so anti-Beakman. Really? Yes, she hated Beakman, she loved Bill Nye. But she would occasionally begrudgingly put on Beakman. Because Beakman was too wild with science? I think he was, probably she found him annoying. Strange camera angles, unrealistic hair. What about that mouse guy that was a sidekick?

Oh, I don't care for him. I thought it was Big Rat. Was it a rat? Oh, well, mouse man is similar. I don't know, I liked him. Yeah, we should wind it down. We've been going for a long time. But this has been a wonderful exploration, I feel.

Were there any runner-ups for anyone? Was there anything that you wanted to do a little bit of? I mean, one that was very formative for me was everything that plays before Captain EO. Everything while you're waiting for it to start. I think I had a big influence on my music taste in general. Like still scares me to bit. Like it really, really takes me there.

That's on YouTube. And just like, kind of like variations on one little like, one little synth theme and just kind of like ambienting out the same musical neck of the woods. But then with little weird scary stabs of little sparkly synth things. Yeah, still scares me like I was three. Yeah, no, that stuff is good.

When they talk about the Arts and Crafts movement in California, there's a little tram loop also with like. Oh, that's right, that would have been an AIN fray inspired by the Arts and Crafts movement. But that just really, that kinda takes me there. I know it's just me, for whatever reason, that's right. That would have been the name for inspired by the arts and crafts movement. But that just like that kind of takes me there. I know. Yeah. For whatever reason, that phrase and I think that maybe there's music under it.

But now I start thinking of just DCA aesthetic and the music. When I think of that phrase, it was inspired by the arts and crafts movement. Yeah. Early California. I think I say that. We got to check it out there. Like arts and crafts. I am on the email newsletter of the Museum of Arts and Crafts, which I believe is in

Florida. Huh. The Museum of the Arts and Crafts Movement. So the movement was not just California. There was a movement happening everywhere. I think it was kind of worldwide. Wasn't in California at all. Disney's lying.

Or a crossover's lying, I should say. Maybe. I bet there were arts and crafts movements in a lot of states. Yeah, probably just Florida. Yeah, all right, maybe just Florida. Yeah, and they're stealing it. I don't know, anything else you consider, anything else you want to shout out?

We don't have a lot of time. We shouldn't go on and on, but Epic Universe. So what I will say about Epic Universe is that the music I heard there was all really good. I think the Burke music loop is potentially just music from the scores of the movies, but they're very well selected. It's not playing some pop song that was at the end

of How to Train Your Dragon, which I assume there was one. It's very atmospheric. That's what Party Rock Anth anthem was from, I believe. Party rock anthem, love theme from How to Train Your Dragon. And like, of course the Danny Elfman stuff is really atmospheric and cool when you're in the land. But the Celestial Park music, to me, really, really rules. It's pretty good.

Apparently maybe 14 hours of it. That's what I heard. I remember Jim Hill, I think he maybe said 60 and I got excited. Oh my god. But no, I think maybe I miss a lot of hours. As 16 as 60. I think maybe he was not wrong.

Whether to bother people, I know what universal going like, do you have access to these 14, is there any box that's coming with these 14 to 16 hours? I wouldn't be surprised. Massive crate lands under the Ryan crate. Well they got that, the vinyl of Dark Universe already. Yeah.

But I think it's sold out. So obviously they're thinking in that way I think. Celestial Park as far as I could tell, every restaurant had a loop. Geez. Meteor Astro Pub had a loop. Pizza Moon has a loop. Pizza Moon has a loop. And Stardust Racers has a really moody synth score

that plays next to it. And a little bit of Island of Adventure growing dynamic place dynamic with like as you walk from place to place, the song changes. I think there might be a little bit of that too, but I'll go back soon. I've been- Supposedly people who worked on Port of Entry

also worked on Celestial Park. That explains why I personally loved- It does feel of a piece. I loved Celestial Park and I think you guys. Yeah, I know. I was gonna say. You were trying to sell us on it because we did not fall in the state that we saw.

We did not necessarily fall in love with Celestial Park. I always try to invite anyone who listens to the show when they do the show to rip into us before they start. And that's the closest it's happened. This is a gentle way to do it. No, no, I want, well I'm trying to like unleash. Well you like to get fucked up, so yeah, you want people to rip into you.

I want people to unleash the beast on us. I'm saying I believe in your capacity to love Celestial Park someday. You're coming at us with positive, like educational Epcot energy, like we can find a way. Yeah, we can explore the cosmos. There's so many good angles online,

and I don't hate Celestial Park, but there's so many good angles online of and I don't hate celestial park But there's so many good angles that I didn't experience. Yeah, I think when you both go back I think you will see it in a new light. I Think I there have you seen the video where someone took the old camcorder? To epic universe and it's soundtracked with like an instrumental killers when we were young. Came out 20 years ago, Scott. Oh wow. It's old, yeah.

So I- That's not what I was just like, I was thinking about the killers. No, I think I was laughing at the idea that that is going to make it a moving experience. I felt emotional. Really? That would make me feel emotional.

Yeah, hearing that tune and the old footage. Yeah, it worked on me. Okay, so we are now, but what you're saying is Epic Universe, we're like heading into an area where area loops are more important than ever. This might be like the greatest chapter of area loop we've ever experienced.

I think that it shows promise, and it shows that they're thinking about it still, which is all I ask for. Disney, I think, is still thinking about it in certain places. But they've gotten a little more boring. They aren't willing to do their weird little Ray Lynch's and their blips and bloops.

Yeah, I don't know if the Ray Lynch era is ever coming back. But if they're making new music, I support it. Yeah. But none of this like saving Mr. Banks crap, like just don't just throw stuff you have the rights to from like Nat Geo documentaries and call it an area.

That's not my Disney world. It's important and it gives people a lot to think about and a lot to talk about, which it was so nice to do here for a while with you. Great, great idea, Fern up. Thank you for bringing it to us. And just so great to have you on the show properly, not via the Avatar system.

So happy to say, Kevin Telle, you survived podcast The Ride. Nice. Let's exit through the gift shop, anything you'd like to plug. Yeah, Telethon, the band. all of our music is available for free telethon band band camp calm we have a new album suburban electric came out early March and Tour at least a small tour happening in July great great

Yes, well, yeah check all that out. I really like the record and it has been great hanging and getting to know you over the last couple of years, from a, but a contemporary related email to a lot of good hangs and a great episode here. So thanks buddy. Yes, happy to do it anytime. It's, yeah.

Great. It's been a hoot. Hey, wonderful, wonderful. As for us, oh yes. Sorry, Kevin, would you come back and do an episode just on that cat, that pervert cat? The Rippington's cat. The Rippington's cat?

Yeah. I would love, maybe that could be my birthday shot. We would have to find primary source material of who illustrated it. We need to talk to the person who created the Rippington's cat. Yeah, yeah. It's not far from that. I don't know. There's sort of some Wolfgang Puckiness to it, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree, but it's not far from that. I don't know.

There's sort of some Wolfgang Puckiness to it, I think. I think it ties in just, and there's an airbrush thing about it, I think, is very interesting. It's a little t-shirt you would buy to save the rainforest and a little of that global coffee shop. I think it's very related to global coffee shop. No, the, say, the Rainforest, that was the same artist who drew a lot of the Joe Camel stuff, don't forget. Oh, that's right, oh, I forgot that title again.

Yeah, yeah, yes, no, it's definitely, it's Camel Corps, it's Rainforest Corps. And did you not inspire a tattoo of this? What was the story with the tattoo? Oh, Telethon bassist Alex, he got tattoos to represent every Oh, Telethon bassist Alex, he got tattoos to represent every member of Telethon. And mine is a Rippington's cat.

When asked how do I sum you up via a tattoo, you said this cat. Yeah. Wow. I wanted him to do the one from the Rippington's album for exclamation point where the Rippington's cat is swinging a golf club. Because I play golf, but he didn't want to get a golf insignia on his leg.

That's fair. Scary cat, great. Scary cat, golfing, I don't know. It's whichever one has a, it's like a joker motif, like a card. It's really, really an ugly version. I think the Rippington's cat can be cute, but that is not a version that is cute. When you look up Rippington's cat, you will see many terrifying, horrible pieces of art. And if you're Mike, you'll see many penises.

Or suggestions of penises. As for us, for three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast the Ride the Second Gate or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier club three. You'll find all of that at patreon.com slash podcast the ride. Maybe we should make some effort to put these playlists in the show notes. Kevin's playlist, Liminal Oasis, which, you know,

all right, 60 hours Epic Universe, sure. But if you want 166 hours that really transport you. It's really gotten away from me. Yeah, geez. I don't know how it. No curate, don't cut it down. Don't lose a thing. Forever.

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