Podcast: The Ride - Avengers: Damage Control with Paul Scheer

Episode Date: January 17, 2020

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FOREVER! DOG! joins us for the Void's Avengers Damage Control, a virtual reality experience on Podcast The Ride, the theme park podcast hosted by three men who never avenge, but would consider it if the bar at the Carthay Circle stopped serving Manhattans. My name is Mike Carlson. Joining me as always, Jason Sheridan. Yes, and I would do that selflessly because that's not really one of my go-to uh drinks there you're saying you would aid us i would have a mutual aid yeah that's true scott garner here as well but he is a carthay manhattan fan as well yeah yeah certainly that would be rough uh uh and i'm i have been mad about and it's not mad i guess there's a uh i i hear that that little private

terrace that i love so much the second floor wine area is now AP only, and I've heard the lines are crazy. It's the Alfresco Tasting Terrace. Okay, thanks. Yes, the Alfresco Tasting Terrace is now AP only, which isn't a problem if you're an AP, but I think it's made the lines crazy, and that does make me want to hulk out.

Yeah, okay. So hopefully those lines die down before the next time I go. All right. Well, let's bring our guest in in here because we're going to talk about a whole bunch of fun stuff uh you know him from black monday you know him from the comic book he wrote he's written many comics but a cosmic ghost writer destroys the marvel history marvel history sorry not the marvel history uh it's paul sheer welcome back guys i'm so excited to be back and i i feel like we're not talking about something disney related so this is a real big you know departure for me i feel like those two times

i've been here we've done um well the other was was skydiving oh skydiving oh yeah so maybe i am but what we have not still done this does not break the pattern if you haven't done a ride on on podcast oh that's true all right yeah yeah so true all right yeah how do you consider vr i mean is vr a ride i mean it's kind of a ride i also don't want to poke too many holes but disney owns marvel so we are talking about disney all right all right there we go so we've just destroyed your whole argument i'm sorry edit all of this out we've humiliated you in the first minutes of the podcast i'm sorry but does disney own the void yes they do i think i think yeah they are part of it i think they are part of it things that are not uh disney related jumanji is not or they've they've done things that aren't yes but jumanji is this isn't a separate vr company oh i don't know uh there's a jumanji escape room on Melrose that I drive by all the time that I'm fascinated about.

Really? Yes. It's like by where the Groundlings is. Oh, yeah. But it always is Jumanji. It's not like, oh, it just opened up for Jumanji 2 or it came out when Jumanji came out. It is 365, seven days a week, Jumanji escape room. Wow.

It was before the new films, do you think? Yes, because that was why I didn't even, I saw it one time and I was like, that's odd that this is still going, the Jumanji Escape Room, because it was post-Jumanji, but pre-Jumanji 2, back in the dice or whatever it is. And also constantly change it. Melrose, like anytime i'm like oh is that restaurant i still like no gone gone two years ago jumanji has the staying power of a great escape room we we can't we we just uh did what we're talking about today which is a void we're doing

the avengers void a bit avengers damage damage control thank you which is kind of a deceptive title because you you you swing by a damage control warehouse right but like you're not doing too much you're not doing too much i mean you're helping with the traditional term damage control but in the marvel universe damage control are these guys who help clean up after superhero this has been my literal passion project for such a long time all i want to do is a damage control television show oh sure so badly uh and then i think last year on nbc this is before everyone at marvel tv got fired they did uh they did i think pilot a damage control show yes i think if you could do an uh i think that would be the only way you could bring some humor into the i mean like as a sitcom you could do a damage control sitcom it really is a

bunch of uh contractors just dealing with the the fallout of all these great things uh they're not great things these huge battles and that they never get to go experience themselves. Yeah, they're strong enough to be effective, but they're not brainy enough to be superheroes. Sure. You'd notice if they weren't there. These people do need to be employed. It seems like at the end of the game, though, not to give away a spoiler for the Void experience,

but the character that Taika Waititi plays in Thor Ragnarok seems to be a part of damage control, because he then tasks us with the cleanup. Yes. Yeah. So now is that in Marvel lore? Is he now part of damage control? It seems like he injected himself for Scott. So Jason and I are Marvel boys.

Yeah. I knew this was coming. I'm just trying to I want to make sure Korg is the character we saw at the end who came through Doctor Strange's portal at the end. Okay. But you're not even a Marvel boy on movies? No, I don't do anything. I wasn't trying to shame you, by the way. Yeah, nobody has.

And feel free to. No, I don't want to shame you. But I was coming into this thinking, like, I'm the least Marvel person and I'll need a lot of translating. And I was also suddenly self-conscious of, like, I don't want to be a not Marvel guy in, like, a snooty way. I don't want to be like, that's corporate trash. I do not. Is that how I sound, even saying that I don't really see the Marvel movies or know anything about it?

There's only so many hours in the day, you know? Yeah, sure. And it requires a lot of hours to watch all of these. Sure. 22. 22 movies. So uh 44 no probably probably in the 70s probably right yeah if you're really committing to it yeah i mean what's okay different fun junk imprinted on your head i mean some of the same stuff that i've printed in our heads but there's a lot of overlap yeah i'm just saying like you know this stuff imprinted on us as children and but you guys and i find this you know your your

knowledge base is in the comic books that then grew into the films there's some people who just know the film yes yes you know you don't have to you don't have to do that work you don't have to do that backlog yes because they so in the movies damage control is mentioned very briefly as like the cleanup company that like kicks michael keaton's like salvage company out in the spider-man movie is she who is the head of damage control you see her for a second right is it somebody i thought a big name person like walks in with them maybe i'm wrong i could be totally wrong but close maybe in guardians glenn close she's in guardians she Close is in Guardians. She's in the Nova Corps. Yeah, she's in the Nova Corps with John C. Reilly.

Yeah. Scott, do you have a notepad? Do you want to write all this? I'll start taking notes, yeah. I get to relax in this one. Sure, yeah. This will be fun. There's only been like 12 Damage Control comics

read out over a few limited series. A number of them written by Dwayne McDuffie, who co-created the character Static. Oh, yes. From Static Shock, if you remember that cartoon and comic series. And he passed away a number of years ago, but a widely beloved figure in the comic book world. I would also say what I like about Damage Control is something that I really enjoy in Marvel comic books and i think they do it but not always which is just these really weird one-offs like they're not like

like damage control is a fun bizarre idea and i think it may just be the state of where comic books are that you can't really take chances on uh on creating characters like that you know it's a sort of um even when i tried to reboot it at marvel at a certain point they're like oh if we do that we'd need to tie it into a main series and like it would be like an addendum to a larger story like we'd have to like tack on like a three but yeah so you i think there's something really fun about those older creators at marvel that were able to just be like oh here's a funny, weird idea that can exist in this world. Yeah, and it was sold as like in the 80s as like it's a sitcom in the Marvel Universe.

Yeah, exactly, which I love. Yeah, it seems like, yeah, it seems like, I mean, you obviously have firsthand experience, but it does seem like it's, you know, think people are like they're trying to cater to the audience that watches the movies more and more now. Yes. So it's like people are not they're going to just glaze over if they go into a comic store and see. Yeah, they're not going to be like, why am I why am I enjoying like these toughs? Yeah. These roughnecks who have to clean up all all the garbage you know after this thing but i did like the way they at least introduced it and continue to build out the world because you know it at least knows

that in the marvel universe there is a damage control but they don't look like the roughnecks they look they look pretty much like shield yes yeah yeah yeah they don't so that's my question i guess we should just dive into it this is a confusing thing okay so you're saying that avengers damage control is like an area of marvel lore but that name of this vr attraction is damage control but they are not particularly affiliated yeah yeah i felt like they were trying to have their cake and eat it yeah they were yeah yeah you might know yeah how there's like six captain marvels spread out over a couple companies and there's a an age of ultron is the name of the second avengers movie and the name of a crossover that happened a couple years prior not the same

story though oh so it's like sometimes they like to use a phrase that gives you a feeling yeah so that's kind of what they're doing here because it's like a new damage control essentially yeah like even the idea of like a damage control like it felt to me like there's a thing in the marvel universe that's still playing a little bit of catch-up about that shield is not a part of the world anymore like because it feels like that was like a shield facility that we were visiting not like a damage control yeah yeah i mean at least in my in my looking at it so and you're you're saying okay so we're gonna have to delineate here between different versions of the marvel universe there is the mcu which is a marvel cinematic universe that's the movies

and kind of some of the tv shows right but for sure all of the disney plus yeah the ones that they liked uh but they sort of like tried to ignore some of the shows. The Kevin Feige, like I would say MCU is anything that Kevin Feige has touched. The KFU. Right, yeah. Because I would argue that things like The Punisher on Netflix with Jessica Jones,

even though they are in the Marvel, the new Marvel world, that's not Kevin Feige approved. And I think he's going to reintroduce a lot of these things the way that he would like to do them. Yes, the Disney Plus shows will fall in the MCU continuity. Right, and then there's obviously the Marvel comic universe. Which is 616, would you say?

616 is the name of the multiverse worlds. But it's still MCU? No. No, you wouldn't call it MCU. You don't call it officially Marvel comiccu no no no you wouldn't call it mcu you don't call it officially marvel comic universe no you wouldn't call it that mcu just became like the kind of the way they phrase it now my question is i've heard feige and other people talk about there's a marvel theme park universe i don't know what it's called yes i know about that too yeah but it's a different continuity from the mcu

which is smart because i believe that what they want to do with the theme parks is keep it evergreen because obviously uh it can't keep up with the films you can't like rebrand the spider-man ride based on the specifics of how that franchise grows you have to be like and we're stopping here yeah you can't have a character meet and greet in the park and then suddenly stop it because they are dead in the continuity of the movie you have to kind of just embrace like i feel like there's going to be a lot of like hologram training facility that's the thing i keep on hearing about like the avengers training facility yeah so it's sort of like they like the danger room and the x. So it's sort of like the danger room in the X-Men. It's sort of like, you will be able to experience things here.

The Tony Stark will live large over the park, but you will not necessarily be like, I think it'll be less like Spider-Man going, come on and have this adventure with me. Right, yes. Yeah, so it'll be not tied to the movies. And my question, of course, is, is this void in that

universe or is it in the mcu proper we don't know i don't have an answer to this well clearly it is all 100 faggy approved because all the characters and actors and likenesses and voices are in this which i was very impressed with yes yes, yes, that's true. Let's say right now, if you don't want to be, this will be spoiler ridden. If you want to do The Void, if you don't want to hear about what's going to happen in it, go do it and then restart this episode. Yeah, go find your local Void.

Wait, there's here, I can say there's a few. There's a bunch in SoCal and then Atlanta, Vegas, Minneapolis, D.C., Plano, Texas, and Malaysia are the places where you can do this thing so if you're listening to this and you live in malaysia a i'm very surprised and b uh you guys are huge in malaysia you guys are like the sugar man of uh malaysia like you just like this is the podcast somehow it was like on all the stations down there we don't realize until we're in our 80s. We never knew. Statue of Jason in the town square.

Mayor as mayor. Yeah, yeah. They did elect you mayor. They took us apart. We cannot go there, though. Otherwise, we will have turf wars with the Mercurial Casino owner, right? He's in Malaysia. Oh, is that right?

That is where the Mercurial Casino owner lives. The magnate? Yeah. Yeah. What was he from? He's the guy from Fox with that Fox Park that's sitting around. Fox Park. And now it's, yes, the one where the streets were not wide enough and the emergency exits

weren't quite correct. You're the mayor of that now. Oh, cool. You're the mayor of an unopened theme park. Oh, man. In the head of a banana republic. I will say, just to speak about The Void for a second,

in general, before we even get into this ride, I love The Void. Yes. I think it is a brilliant idea that I hope to see expanded across the country because it literally

is a very small space. We went to one inside a mall and I think they do interactive experiences really well. My only complaint with The Void is the limited amount of activities you can have in The Void. It seems like one runs and the Star Wars one, The Rise of the Resistance, is fantastic. It's great. But that one just, you couldn't go like multiple times in a day it's a sort of like you it's one that's kind of runs every now and then they'll be like

oh nicodemus runs every day at 145 right like they have to reset the you couldn't go do the star is void thing over and over and over i mean you could but it'd be like uh each experience is like five percent different it's different in the margins and not like, yes, I went down this door and a totally different thing happened. But I will say that based on the rise of the resistance to this ride or the other, you're saying you got rise of resistance on the brain. Oh, sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. This is the week.

What is it called? The secrets of the empire. Yeah. So sorry. So sorry. No, no, I don't blame you the um the this one actually has a thing where you can get a score which i think is the best part of this this game that we just did today yeah you don't have so far in all my void experiences i haven't gotten like a score at

the end but do we get scores rick and ralph you get a score you got no no we're supposed to be emailed scores or like get id cards We saw it there at the end. That's about all that we get. They kind of remember it. Yeah, I don't think they gave it to us. Maybe it's attached to the picture. I haven't looked at the show email yet. I guess we can look.

I'll bring it up. But probably, I feel like it's just a photo. I think you just got to scan that quickly and remember. We all got a letter grade at the end. Yeah. Two B's and two A's. Yeah. We'll reveal that at the end.

But I'll say about the void yeah like the void is very cool and especially like for how easy it is in general like makes me very excited about five years from now or 10 years because like really my only complaints about actually the physical void is like it's a little heavy the heads at home it's a little heavy and like but yet you're not wearing gloves yeah you know you only are wearing a backpack and a headset like i mean like which is kind of amazing like because your hands play a giant part in this game especially like you are shooting from your hands and you're not wearing any sensors on your hands whatsoever no and you need like precision aiming yeah like you need to do very very specific things with with your hands yeah

it's a it's i guess we can say though that our hands scan our hands yeah uh yeah it's great that is crazy it's also like what i've heard the rumor is for the spider-man ride in california venture is that you're shooting webs out of your hand and you don't have gloves, you don't have any sort of controller. Wow. It's just scanning your hands and then reacting. I guess you do the actual... The glass, I think, or whatever

is in front of the car will register your hand. I'm just going to throw down a very large idea here and see what you guys think. But I feel like I would have enjoyed, and I like Smuggler's Run. I've ridden it many a time now. I think if it was in a void scenario, I think I would even enjoy it more in a weird way.

Because it is kind of mixing. You're in a tactile thing which is like the money fog which is amazing to be in that is great but you also are interacting with it like a video game it's it's a weird it's a weird mix i kind of would almost like to be fully in or fully out and i feel like is it a ride or is it a video game maybe just decide a little yeah yeah and i feel like that like my issue with it is i don't feel i feel like i'm looking at a screen i don't know there's something about it where this when we're when we're flying and we're in part of it you're really immersed in it and there are parts in the

the smuggler's run i feel like you are always gonna have that distance of the screen a little well i always understood there was like i was definitely confused sometimes in this Avengers thing. But in general, I'm going to hold my hand out in an Iron Man fashion, and I can see a little point, and that's going to do something. Smuggler's Run, there's things I'm confused about. I don't really understand automatic firing when you're the gunner. I didn't want to do it again. Wait, I do automatic, not manual, not manual i'm saying right i do manual i've tried both i don't think i get man i don't think i know how to go up and down or what well the way that i was told to do it uh

was you keep you keep your hands locked and so you have your buttons on three different the three different buttons and you kind of play it like a piano like that and so you're just going up down that up down the metal like it's just kind of like like so basically i think if you just keep a steady flow of those three you'll get a better you get a better firing accuracy i think there's some crossover with that and some crossover with this void experience in that there, you have to adjust to the rhythm because video games, you press a button and assuming it's running at top speed, it's almost instantaneous, like a blaster or something.

This like, you don't really flex your hand or anything. You just aim it. And that like charges for a second and then fires and it takes a beat or two to get used to. And then, and then you can kind of be pretty reasonably accurate with it and it is satisfying i i found it to be incredibly like that

and like to feel like you were actually affecting something and that's why secrets of the empire uh i was telling you guys i wrote it the first time by myself i just happened to go there the void was empty it was like the wednesday and they're like oh you could just go in and it was kind of the best scenario because you could kind of just really explore the space there's no one else with you but i felt like i didn't have much control over the end game it was sort of like i it was going to i was gonna leave there triumphant no matter what i think the same way here you were going to leave triumphant, but they gave you a couple more elements that made you feel like, oh, no, I'm actually scoring here.

I'm getting some points up on the board. Oh, sure. I think the big highlight of this was a lot of the spatial stuff, like the set pieces of going from place to place. Yeah. Because they use the Doctor Strange like portals very well. Yes. I was very impressed.

The game is long. I was impressed with that. It felt long, which was really nice. Yeah. That big travel you get to do into Doctor Strange is what? Yes. Sanctum. Sanctorum. Great. travel you get to do into dr strange's what yes well it's located in what part of new york do we know uh it's in the village village yeah okay um so yeah well so i guess we'll maybe we'll just walk through it here and we'll get sure there um because yeah so yeah spoiler alert we get to go

to dr strange's house yeah yeah so basically you get there, you park probably near the Target, because some of those lots are a little more interesting. It's a city Target. Well, that's not a city Target. That is not. No, that is not at all a city Target. It has to be a shopping cart escalator. That implies spacious three-levels.

That's a three-floor Target, man. And we've got an episode on that at Target. Oh, that's coming no i would love to be here for the city target versus the regular target i have a lot of opinions that does seem in our wheelhouse oh my gosh let's get into it we're at the glendale galleria we should say and every void is uh i think every void seems a little different like the glendale gallery like there's some ones that are in malls that seem like they're just a box and i think what's really amazing about it is if you were to look if you were to stand above the void i think it is only maybe like 15 by 10 feet

but they wrap you around so much and you i have never taken my mask off because I'm a good boy. Like you guys. And I want to enjoy the space, but it's very small, but they keep on just moving you. You think you're doing a lot of movement, but you're just in a small space. There's this bizarre thing we talked about.

I think the first one we talked about the Star Wars one, but where you don't know, like you're actually curving, but visually you think you're walking a straight line that goes and goes and goes. And there's one of those in this, and I'll wait till we get to that point, but there's an illusion thing I read about that I still can't really process, but I'll wait till that point. Yeah. So we start with, of course, a video. Yes. Like all good experiences and rides do.

I love that video. I'm so excited to be in that video room every time. That video, I want to hear what you guys think, but I think that was one of the best video introductions by a character in a film. Because I often feel like they're phoned in, they don't know the lines, like especially Cassian. cassian or cassian he looks like he is reading off a prompt like there is that is that is uh does not feel like he's he's in it but he's not like he does not have all the tech jargon down oh sure well and

the other we're also we'd also be comparing it to wreck it ralph which shanxi rally and sir silverman participate in. And if they were phoning it in, you can't tell because with the beauty of animation, you can bring the characters. But I thought they were as fun as they are in the movie. But that's kind of great because they don't have to... This is, from an acting standpoint, a giant like no camera changing monologue yes like it's a one shot and you have to drop a lot of specifics like a lot jargon legalese they're trying to make fun but that still is really mealy-mouthed and she did a great i thought she did a great job shuri is our host

there's also a background yes there's Dora Milaje in the background. There's a Wakandan AI, which I think is a new character, right? Which kind of sounded like Martin Freeman doing a Wakandan accent. I know it's not Martin Freeman, but yeah. Oh, yeah. It is a Wakandan Jarvis. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't remember. I saw Black Panther. I can't remember. Did he have his own Jarvis? Did they all have their own Jarvis? They had to have had some sort of AI. I think they were the Jarvis, but it didn't seem to be as prominent. Yeah.

As, like, it wasn't, like, Tony talked to Jarvis all the time. Right. Black Panther, like, sure he was the Jarvis talking to, I mean, essentially to Black Panther. I feel like that was the conversation, you know. Now, is this thing set in a specific it seems like it is like canonically post end game am i right like does it like because i don't know what i'm looking at exactly does it like account for the events it certainly created it like that i feel like it's so because it's the newer wave of avengers they only have one one thing that I noticed that is not post-end game with one of

the characters uh deformity which is now a part of the at the end of uh we can get to it but like the Hulk it would have a messed up oh oh good point yeah because because yeah so that's a spoiler at the end of uh end game or no and towards the middle I. I can't remember. Hulk uses the Infinity Gauntlet and he fucks his hand up because it's so powerful. I forgot about that. So yeah, I did not, I actually forgot to look at Hulk's hand.

Ooh, and there's, oh, I'll get to it. I saw an Easter egg in there. Did you see that one? Oh, mine was more, not a blooper, but I think maybe just they didn't care about.

The actor who plays Shuri, has she always had a tattoo on her wrist? Like a tattoo from her hand to her wrist? Because I saw that in the pre-show. I was like, I don't know if they just covered that up in the movies. Yeah, they might have just covered that up. Or she got it after, or what's going on? I'm going to look at a wire image picture of her premiere photos yeah um it looked cool i was like it makes sense for the character but yeah i don't i had never caught that before uh so yeah so so shuri who is the princess of wakanda

who's black panther's sister who's like a tech genius uh she is telling us that we are going to be on a try you know we're gonna be testing out yes this new technology centers that they set up at the end of black panther they run with like there are wakanda science centers around the world um the actress who plays shuri has a a tattoo around her one of her hands like a bracelet looks like a bracelet looks like a bracelet yeah but nothing coming from top to okay not going up so that may be covered okay interesting um so yeah so can i just say that there's the i'm in a mall i'm in the galleria and i can walk into a room and watch a video where a character from a movie says we're recruiting you and this is the center for such and such yeah this kind of it kind of fulfills some of my like desire

for there to be Chuck E. Cheese type things everywhere. Why don't all malls have some place with a robot you can walk in and see? Like in some boring mall, characters talking to me. It's wonderful. And that you can only see like a handful of other places. Right. It would be nice before you go into a Target

if it was like you got a pre-show video with Bullseye the Target dog. And we all know that bullseye's personality is is great for that to really welcome you to spending welcome you to welcome you to spending he's he's eager yes i have gone to uh a handful of these parties uh they're called the night before parties they happen before the Oscars, and they happen before the Emmys, and it's sponsored by Target. And Bullseye the dog is there on a pedestal,

the real Bullseye, and you get to take a picture with him. I believe I have a picture. I believe there's a picture of Nick Kroll and I with Bullseye the dog, the real live dog and it was quite a thrill uh now that's an avengers team in the schomburg target which is my mother's favorite place to go uh so when we were back home for the holidays we went there are many like bullseye

little animatronic kind of things in that target what are you talking about we were there we were there i didn't know until a couple weeks ago when you weren't there and bullseye's like butt is sticking out of like a package and his little tail is wagging his what now his seat there bullseye seat is sticking out of well do you guys know i mean chicago is the home base for the target vr did you hear about this like so basically so they are testing out this idea like i have an oculus uh quest i also have a uh htc uh vive uh setup uh which my wife has made me dismantle uh but uh the oculus is great. Where ideally, like, so Target has been developing this technology that you would enter into a virtual Target. And then you'd be able to walk the aisles. And then whatever you touch and put in your cart is sent to your house. This is like the idea that you would be doing Amazon style shopping via virtual reality in actual like amazing Target store.

And so I have had two friends who have experienced the VR Target. And it's a genius idea because it's like being in Amazon. I always believe that you can't be in target without spending like upwards of $60. Like I feel like you, you get there, like I need toothpaste and you're like, well, but I also need these notebooks and then this pen and then I'll get that

thing. And then you, and you walk on your goal. What, what did I get? And I feel like this is what they're trying to create. So they, and so apparently they,

the testing ground for it, because they also have the fake, the giant fake target in Chicago, which is where you go and you see like all right hey this is how we're going to display your items and we and you bring they bring in customers to see like well let's sell if it's here if we put a cuisinara at the end of the aisle will that be a thing so they test out the way the store is like laid out this is my mom is about to become a big gamer she's going to become like virtual reality obsessed she's gonna get a whole oculus

she is going to be on that rig constantly well i'm not i was thinking that all the time was chicago we'll see you again soon yeah back asap all target related trip yeah oh my god that's wild i didn't know anything about that you uh run through the aisles in a uh toys r us dash kind of way just like knock a bunch of shit but you have to buy it and then but do you what if what if i don't though can i get to the end then and say i'm gonna throw that all away yeah it's just a robot so he could he could look if i was a if i was like target i would be institutinguting that. You'd have to have like a supermarket dash kind of an element to it. I love all this VR stuff. I'm all in on VR.

And I believe that I still believe it's going to be the future of like entertainment and stuff like that. It's still, yeah, it's feeling more that way. And The Void makes you feel more that way. Like it is the most successful like application of it yeah i think that it's in the most the most fun uh yeah and then it's still because it's still a thing you get together with your friends to do but i also think it's because of ip like i feel like they're like you're going because it's star wars it's ghostbusters which i really want to do the ghostbusters one it's avengers it's wreck it ralph it's not just like they do have this experience at the void called nicodemus which

is like their horror themed one which is incredibly fun and really cool but i think it's a harder sell to say to your friends you want to go check out the legend of nicodemus it's kind of like a horror vr like it's like a horror it's a harder i think year three, I think this year after three years, Mike will finally have sold Nicodemus to more people to go and see it. I haven't done it, though. The demon of envanishment. But I do want to. You do want to.

I went. I did the whole thing. I picked a card. I had an amazing experience. It's super fun. I went with people who are very much into that level of experience. But I think that the reason why VR has a hard time taking off a lot of the times is because it you have to like bring the concept has to be what people want to play it's like oh it's terminator or for me with that oculus quest it's at vader immortal

everybody like that i showed off to wants to play vader immortal because like oh i have a lightsaber i understand this world i understand the world that i'm entering into which kind of is a positive and negative because you know we should have more adventurous senses but things that aren't ip but there's something about like yeah i get the world i've been here before in movies and in my dreams so yeah i'm in here in vr i kind of get it it would be nice i don't know if this is i mean i guess it's possible it would be nice. I don't know if this is possible. I mean, I guess it's possible. It would be nice if people sort of eventually come to think of VR places like, oh, honey, we should see what's playing at the Void tonight.

So maybe you would do an original one. You wouldn't necessarily. If you can train a generation that this is entertainment. The cool indie one. Yeah, the cool. Yeah, the low budget. The uncut gems. The uncut gems. Oh, God cool, yeah, the low budget. The uncut gems. The uncut gems. Oh, God, that's a horrible VR experience.

It's two and a half hours of pure panic. Just anxiety inducing the entire time. You can't win. You're naked in a trunk for a part of it. For a while. You look down at the VR and you're nude. It feels so real. That bell ringing.

How do I shut it? You raise your hand, get help immediately. nude. Feels so real. That bell ringing. How do I start? You raise your hand. Get help immediately. Sorry, I can't help with that one. I will say the one thing about the void, I don't know how Wreck-It Ralph was, but it still is falling into that same trap as most rides do, which is like,

I'm so glad you're here to test out our new suits. Uh-oh, we're being under attack. We're going're gonna get you on that field immediately like something has happened and now you need to be there um and what i like about secrets of the empire is no no you are on this mission you have to recover this thing like let's just go like let's just get into like you don't need something went wrong yeah something went wrong i feel like let's get past that part of the uh the game i don't like that anymore i i feel like that's been done to death I feel like let's get past that part of the game. I don't like that anymore. I feel like that's been done to death.

I feel like it's a hack ride. Justification. Yeah. Yeah, of like, this is why you are not Captain America. Yeah. Like, you are helping. You're visiting. Yeah.

It's so bizarre. Because it's never happened in any narrative function it's not like we'll get these guys from the street too like you know yeah it's like they they're like worried that if they go okay you are superheroes here and like like dad is gonna go wait hold on a second here i'm not a superhero shut the thing down here they have the wrong people like people i sell insurance i can't help i have no skills in this what is going on can both my kids be iron man it's gonna really mess up the day if they have to pick yeah i don't know they're not giving anyone any credit for like

everyone gets it nation you've gone into a virtual reality thing just play the thing you don't have to be a character that we recognize i mean that's why i think again star wars has a great element to it which is like everyone's a stormtrooper in that one like you're infiltrating you're part of a bigger gang this one it's tough you're in this black panther iron man mashup costume which is pretty cool looking yeah yeah definitely but i'm like i'm also down for and i guess maybe this is where I've graduated to as far as a person who likes rides. I'm okay if it's all simulation, right? That's what we're doing anyway. I don't need the real world to be at stake.

That doesn't improve the gameplay. It's like if they go like, hey, welcome to the Avengers facility. Here are three events that have happened in Marvel history that we are now going to test our suits out to see if they, how we could have, we will learn from our mistakes. Right. Yeah. You know, you could be in those movies and there's no consequence. There's no consequences anyway.

Let's just, let me just train. Yeah. There's time travel and magic and everything. Like, yeah. Like how do we story justify why you'd be in this event? Right.

Yeah. I don't know. You just do, uh, you don't know else in this area of like justification and why are you there someone anyone tell me what why you're there in pirates of the caribbean i don't know right right right right you know like but do we care do we go on pirates every time and love it yeah i don't know i don't think they know why you're there you're in a boat that happens to

be going near a lot of chaos but am i in the past well i don't care no I don't think they know why you're there. You're in a boat that happens to be going near a lot of chaos. But am I in the past? Well, I don't care. No one needs to tell me anything. Yeah, I think you're seeing the past. I think you're like an outside observer. Well, that's true. That's the narrative of the ride versus what the actual guest is supposed to be.

Yeah, we are ghosts. We are Scrooge-ing it. Like, we are. Like, I feel like we are just like, there there's no boat captain but we're just kind of yeah we're just we're we're simply on a boat ride when you leave skeleton world do you become a skeleton like like do you know you know there's that new that thing they re-added where you're going there's all it's all skeletons at the right yeah and then there's a skeleton split down the middle and it becomes a real person have you seen this that's really cool that's uh yeah of illustration supposedly what i have on what i understand is a time uh you go back

in time so yes if if we were in a void helmet would i now be a skeleton and all of the pirates are real instead of vice versa oh good question no i think we would all no i think we'd all be skeleton no i think on the first part of, we'd all be skeletons with jewelry on. So you'd look down and you'd have rings, but skeleton fingers. And then once you went past that, then you would turn into a drunken pirate. But now you see, I would quickly say, but you'll never have a ride like Pirates Against. Because it's not checking the boxes. But then you think about Avatar and you go on that ride, which is really a bad version of Pirates. It's like you're on that boat ride.

Oh, right. And you don't do anything, nor do you even see anything very interesting. It's sort of like. Except for the Shaman of Song. Yeah, the Shaman of Song. I have to defend the Shaman of Song. And that is the biggest payoff that is so anticlimactic. But it's such a, I'll say it, it's a bummer.

That ride is a bummer to me. It's beautiful. I think I'm with you, though, Paul. It might make some people mad. Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan. It's beautiful. It's like, I don't know, it's pretty to look at, but it's not like not worth that line. That's the key.

I think if you can just get on, which some have talked to people who've just gotten straight on and you're like, greatest thing ever. But like even, I mean, well, no, we'd still love it. But even like Sinbad in Tokyo, which is so wonderful. If you had to do an hour and a half and then you got on it, still better, right? Still better. Sinbad is so much better. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm just saying there's the there'd be the annoyance of the giant line as opposed to

so many boat rides you just walk straight on yeah you feel like you should someday you'll be able to that boat ride feels to me the avatar one like a real like the imagineers were shut down by james cameron like i feel like james cameron was like're like, this is the idea, I'm gonna do this. He's like, no. The most interesting thing is like the plant life of the planet, that's what we really need to see. Okay, but we'll do this adventure. No, there's no adventure here.

It's just like, you're just like on a pretty boat ride. Oh yeah, but maybe like for the ride, no. Like I feel like he was like, no, no, no. Cause there's, like there's nothing, everything that Disney does, there's an element to it that is way more exciting than that one ride. It's like if the Blue Bayou part of Pirates never ended. Yes. You just looped around and then did it again and then did it again.

I'd rather be on that Blue Bayou watching people eat dinner and hearing the music. If you were going by an Avatar restaurant on the ride. If you went through Saltuli Canteen. Yeah, yeah restaurant on the ride. If you went through Satouli Canteen. Yeah, yeah. Into the kitchen. Yeah. By the roasting chicken spit. I love how quickly Satouli Canteen came out of your mouth.

Oh, I'm delightful. Of course. I mean, I'm a... I like Satouli Canteen more than Navi River Journey, I think. In terms of if I had to list the experiences. The bowls are really good. Those little bobas. If I could see the bobas being made on the boat,

now we're talking. I think the reality of like, you know, when Joe Rohde has talked about like trying to achieve a feeling of peace or serenity in the boat ride is the practical reality kind of cancels that out when it's like, well, the line's too long for flight path. Let's go on the boat. Yeah. And or like, oh God, it's noon's noon it's lunch everyone is in the park now like oh no i think

everyone's opinion though would be different of it yes if it was 20 minute line yeah and there were two other big sort of serene scenes yes i think it's very short in addition to a long line there's something about like i mean look i've gone on that ride in disneyland the storybook land and you're on that boat that you could say like pound for pound it's equally uh serene right like i mean it's like you and i enjoy that storybook land one more i'm not i'm not like give me waterfall drops. I'm not asking for. Not everything has to be Spider-Man Transformers. Insanely high tech. Yeah.

It just seems like maybe I just wasn't in that peaceful mode. Maybe it is the peaceful mode. I just think it needs a couple more moves. I always think about the ride in terms of moves. And really all I remember from the ride is the shaman of songs singing that wonderful melody. A beautiful melody. And the frog kind of jumping above on the lily pads. And then I remember there's screens and stuff happening and it's nice and pleasant, but those are the only two things I remember.

So I feel like that's where the problems lie. There's not five things you remember from the ride. There's two i would say just convert that into some sort of a dome uh that you could go into and use that as like an air-conditioned break like lay down relax like at disney like listen to the song you hear the shaman off in the distance like make it a little like coach by the way i'm then i'm like that's the best idea like they've never done that before like you get like 15 minutes in like a chill out tent like you'd be like i'm cool i'm relaxed and i go back into the world yeah energized you're like backstage on the side

of the stage watching the shaman of song yeah and you're just chilled out there and you're enjoying the set they got close the shaman is playing at Coachella. Yeah, the shaman is sort of playing at the Navi Coachella. With 90,000 people. Yeah, which I think they will explore in one of these sequels. The Navi Coachella, whatever that is. There was a Coachella in Star Wars.

In Rise of Skywalker. All the franchises need their Coachella. There's deleted scenes where they have the wrong laminates. So they're like arguing. Ray! Ray! We have the wrong laminates! Ray, where did you go?

Ray, come back. I would love it if you saw Lando on his ship there in Rise of Skywalker with just a bunch of laminates hanging on one of the doorposts like, you know, over the years. All the ones that Lando has collected.

Yeah. Which one here? That's for you. That's for you. And the laminate's in Kylo Ren's hand, and then Rey opens her eyes, and it's in her hand. But that's

how she finds out her name, because they're like, well, we can't give you the pass if you don't have a last name. Which is Rey. Well, we need a last name. We need a last name for the pass. Now there's a reason. That's the MacGuffin. I need to get to the conference. Besides random people demanding to know your last name. Hey, no last name, idiot.

What's your last name? Skywalk. Come on, man. It's not Skywalk. Come on. You're like the fifth today. Now, if you knew the Target dog, maybe I'd let you in here. An animated version of Bullseye, the Target dog,

told people before a movie to like silence their cell phones and please don't talk during the movie and i'm like oh i like i like this would any of you guys and you know obviously you're all writers performers uh and you know would you ever go in for a target the dog pitch like if they say hey look target is hearing ideas like m&ms has been a thing that people have been talking about lately like people have gone into pitch ideas to make an m&ms style lego movie yeah uh is there and you know not m&ms and legos but like that style of hey we're gonna we're gonna launch this could there be a bullseye movie 100 but it's got to be real it can't be like call of the wild dog it can't be like cgi dog i feel the audience before cats i mean we're all in a weird mood because we're

about to see cats but like i feel like the audience kind of clenched up when they're like oh that's cgi dog the dog cgi it's not a real dog or a puppet or something i mean i could do i could do a bullseye puppet or i would do maybe animated animated yeah anime would be animated it's fun but like a practical like dark crystal bullseye type puppet i don't know that they're adding dark crystal seems like it's gonna be sinister now oh yeah i don't know now i have a pitch for him just i haven't thought of this more than right now what if target the bull uh the bullseye the target dog is like a private detective whatever you want he gets like so like that's the thing like he finds

your thing like a ray donovan sort of uh fixer private detective get it and like he gets your thing and then of course he gets involved in a in a larger uh right you know so it's almost like a film noir take on bullseye the target dog like He is an investigator. Normally, he's just finding you whatever you need. Oh, I have bad feet. Here's a foot massager. Oh, I got this other thing. I'm going to get you a special pencil holder. But then you ask him for something,

and that's the thing he can't find. I think that's great. I think that's every kid's cartoon in the 90s did a film noir takeoff episode or two-part episode or something. With the way entertainment mean with the way entertainment is going with ip i mean we we would all be lucky to work on a bullseye show tv show uh ancillary web content can i just add that the guy assigning the missions that his charlie

essentially is brian cornell the ceo of target i love that i'm a big fan i had we discussed he he had really good walkout music at d23 this year and i put lyrics to the walkout music he had a walkout why was he at d23 i don't in the middle there's yeah disney store like there's many disney stores now in some targets i mean more target innovations i can't believe how many there are to talk about yeah there's gonna be many disney stores so even it's a presentation that's all about like what are we gonna do to epcot there's a lot of's all about like, what are we going to do to Epcot? There's a lot of anticipation. Are they going to say what they're doing at Tomorrowland finally? And then instead, like now, ladies and gentlemen, see Target CEO Brian Cornell.

And he walked out to this really jazzy. I wrote lyrics to it, too. Yeah, it's online. I did them. That's the only thing they were missing. All right. So we're in the thing they were missing all right so we're in the void yeah okay so after after the pre-show uh you were you were then sent to you're in one of the wakanda science centers yes you're in the suits shuri kind of walks you through like here's

how you blast here's how you do like a super blast and here's how you blast. Here's how you do, like, a super blast. And here's how you do a shield. Yes. I didn't use the shield that much. I, all these things, I believe you should have two turns on them. I believe Smuggler's Run, you should have two turns. And I believe you should have two turns. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Because you are, like, you are getting used to just the mechanics of it. And I feel like you're so much better to do it right in repetition. Because I think what I was having trouble with was knowing when to shield up to get a bullet. Because the idea is that when you get hit with a target, you're powering up. So then you could blast out hard. But it was like finding that rhythm of shielding to protect and then shooting it back out i think it's really only they really only cue you to do it like once or twice especially at the very end i think shields up so you can do the last push against the bad guy i was doing a couple shields

up when we were in the helicopter part and firing back out and i found it to be very effective and fun but i was also shielding up too late or too early and yeah it's tough it's tough because it would be nice if it was like captain america one hand shield where you kind of have your shield up but also shooting because it would be like i put the shield up but i'm like there's i can't my periphery isn't that good yeah so you can't quite i'm shooting but there's i'm gonna make hit with another. It's like there's not a real good rhythm. Yeah, I feel like it's a, I found my arms to be tired at the end of this because you really are doing, I would say, as close to exercise as I can imagine,

which is like, because your arms are always, for most of the game, outstretched. Either two hands shooting like iron man one hand shooting or two hands up and you're blocking so you never are you very rarely are at rest until you're unless you're listening to like dialogue sections right i i found throughout it that when i got hit and the the haptic stuff was happening i think i got hit less often but when i got hit and the haptic stuff was happening, I think I got hit less often, but when I got hit, it was really hard.

Did you guys, that happen to you guys? I feel like I heard some other good- You tie your suit tight? Maybe not. You see, I think maybe you did. I'm thinking maybe you tied it too tight.

Oh, so that it was like really hitting my ribs? I might have, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so be careful on that. Yeah, mine was okay. Here and there, I would just go, I would just get surprised because I didn't think there was like an enemy on my right or something right you really have to use your 360 perspective uh like the opening is i like the fact that they

give you a chance to play with the tech i think everything about this void even though we're having some issues with it is a step better than every other Void ride. Like they're like, oh great, you have a moment to test technology. Like what am I doing? I'm learning the basics of the game. Like it's not like in game, grab a rifle or do this.

It's sort of like you get a moment, you understand the concepts, you get to play all things. You have a tutorial essentially. And then you get to go in. Yeah. And this one is so important for that too. Cause like on the Star Wars one, which I did like that all of a sudden guns showed up in to go in. Yeah, and this one is so important for that, too, because on the Star Wars one, which I did like that all of a sudden

guns showed up in the Star Wars one. Yeah. Because that is kind of cool of you pick up and you're like, holy shit, there is a gun there. Yeah. This one you needed. I think if they did the gun every time, you'd get tired of the trick. So it's cool that there's a new thing.

This one, the practical things you touch are what? You fly a Quinjet. You potentially fly a Quinjet at one point, and you touch a railing. I use the railing. Oh, I hung out at the railing. I mean, it's really funny because when you meet Doctor Strange, he is in the Sanctum Sanctorum. But it's as if you were visiting him in Colonial Williamsburg because you're behind a railing that he is in front of like you are not in the state like it's sort of like how they have those like glass walls

i was like this is a recreation of an old colonial bedroom like he's on the other side of it so like i you know was like casually leaning on the on that to listen to him chat with us but he is on the other side of it i was excited dr strange is there but i was more a little more excited that there was a little like knob on the rail i was just like playing with that oh yeah like i reached out and found a knob so that's how i'm like such a baby with these things i would have just played with the knob for i completely agree i feel like i was very fascinated by the surface of the railing so basically what happens is we're in the training area they kind of they say like oh there's a real problem. And then stuff goes dark. And one of Dr. Strange's trademark portals opens up,

which honestly, the most exciting part of the whole thing for me personally, because I went, oh, cool. We're going to go see Dr. Strange. And then we walk down three flights. That's what they're simulating. Like a spiral ramp. Yeah, that was actually really fun and great tech. But why was there winter

coming through one of the windows is that another porthole that it opened i believe so because like in the in the first doctor strange they have a whole thing where some of those windows are like like he's when he's fighting remember he's fighting uh what the villains oh yeah and he's like shooting people into different like okay areas of the earth to get them away from him yes i guess that's just a nod i don't know why he wouldn't close it yes i mean by the way it was a great effect on the thing because you walk by a cold a wintry window you feel that cold chilly air uh which was great uh there's a bunch of like good sound and smell sensations throughout this game yeah and that

that descending is a really crazy little sequence and you're on a pretty narrow little path which is a trick they keep doing and that which freaks you out like i better hug that rail on my um i have on my htc uh vibe there's a game called like oh like walk the plank or something like that and so what's what kind of great is the way i had it hooked up was like it's hooked up to my television um and so but if you're wearing it you like you're in the vr space but everyone that's in your house can watch what is happening to you and what you're looking at on the tv and it was always so fun to watch people walk a plank because you are you're just in my living room and you're and you are so almost like i'm hands in front of you like i'm gonna fall and there's nothing there and it's it's a great juxtaposition of like how your mind can

really yeah because i was nervous to walk off that the the odd uh wheelchair ramp that he has in his house that goes down yeah i think this is the thing that i was bringing up the bizarre illusion thing and i might be throwing out some bullshit but i think i did read this in like a little behind the scenes before we did it i think in that part you're going up what i think i might be insane but i feel like i caught that you mean just like there's a little bit downstairs in the void so yeah so so yeah basically you're turning three times and i i the one thing that kept throwing my brain is that I felt like I'm like, your brain knows that we're not going down. But your eyes are telling you that you're going down.

Towards the right, it looks like there's a drop. There's not a second railing. No, you could walk off of it. Yeah. So you're saying that there was a little bit of an elevation there? I think it's a ramp, and I think you were going up interesting i'll look this up yeah look that up well i i know the one thing about the void that they do is it like you think of it like um like a jimbery like a kid's play space they have all these different objects they kind of repurpose so yeah all the

objects that you are pretty much using in secrets of the the Empire or Wreck-It Ralph are just repositioned in different ways. And that's kind of the economical way of making this. It's sort of like, yeah, we have like these 20 props and we just put that here and then do that. And like, you know, they're not always reused in the same way. But I would imagine there is some sort of a ramp system like that. That's an easy, easy to go up and go down. Like, you know. Yeah, that's got to be so.

Because like those little plank things, I definitely there's a little bridge that comes into play in the star wars one too yeah that must be like a primary tool for them this was like because yeah in the star wars one there's a platform that lowers down that's what i'm that's my favorite part of the star wars one is the platform that lowers down to mustafar yeah uh because that really blew me away you're on a little ride there And it's a little ride, and you feel a little wobbly because you're like, I could fall off and land. Well, that's what in Nicodemus, you're on a train, and it's speeding, and there's no caboose around you.

You're just free, hanging on a train, and that's a pretty scary moment. But this, walking down to the Sanctum Sanctorum, I was very, I guess just going, like, three levels, like, simulating three stories. Yeah. Makes me go, like, oh, we're going into the chambers. Were you guys having that same issue, though? Because what I was doing was I'd walk down a level, then I'd walk through a portal, then I'd walk down another, like, it would go black for a second.

I don't know. It happened once to me where it kind of went black, and then I was confused. I think, I see, I felt like I was leading the way, so I think I may have gone

a little bit ahead of you guys or something, because I would get down to the base, walk through a portal, it would go black for a second, and then I'd get back to the next level again. I think it flickered once

on me like that. I think it flickered once for me. Well, I wonder, it would be funny if it is glitched. That's the reason we had to go down three stories. Yeah, right. Then we can send you right back. I mean, that'd be crazy because the bar is there. But there's, so the railing, yes, the railing.

And this part is my favorite part of the whole thing, I think. Oh, really? Well, just, there's a lot, plenty of other things I really liked about it. But just, i talk about on the show i like it when optimus prime at the end of the transformers ride says you did a wonderful job whatever he says it's a great it's a great moment you have like this little connection with and so we're going down there and i honestly i felt this is the most uh like i felt something where i was like oh my god we're going into this place that I've read

and it was a quieter part because I do think like they want a lot of action and all this stuff so they don't always give you like a little moment like that. Yeah to enjoy like to literally enjoy connecting with a character a character from the MCU and I feel like

that's what you really want like even though we get to see Shuri she's on the video screen she comes back a couple times but uh i felt like that moment was a nice it was he was giving you like then like again an information dump is what we're doing yes go back out there which also is funny enough because like didn't we just get an information yeah but why do we need a second information yeah to override that yeah right that being said it doesn't matter i was like if the whole thing was in the sanctum sanctorum and i could just look around at books like that's like that's like some of the vr games that are available at right you know where you can

really take your time just build blocks like more minecrafty yeah like you can exist in a space draw or paint or or even just look around right and it's not practical for something that's, you know, in a mall and has to go through. But... Have you done Sleep No More? No. Oh, guys. We got to get you guys to go to sleep. No, I know.

I want to do that for years. Okay. Sleep No More is exactly... So, Sleep No More is like this giant building. You can get lost in it. I won't go into all the specifics. But if you wanted, you could spend the whole night in one room. Right.

Done. Yeah. Like you don't have to ever leave that room. You don't have to get on the adventure at all. And there's a storyline that's kind of like Macbeth and it's the 20, and like characters are going from room to room, but it's a full old hotel

and you can catch snippets of the storyline, but you don't have to follow it from like i've done it three times i've had three vastly different experiences and i've done a couple here in la too that everyone's trying to be like no more and there's a great one that i just did that was actually written by like i think the guy who did like the grudge or something like that uh or the purge um but yeah the cool thing is is like so basically the show starts mcbeth starts and all the characters in mcbeth are um like think of it like if they left the stage they would be going to their office or they'd be going to their thing so you may just catch one of

the main characters off from their story interacting in their real space until they come back to their the main story so you can follow the main story or you can just follow one character for the entire story or you could just like exist and just watch different it's fascinating so it basically is like there's a whole track that's going on right but you don't have to be in any spot and at the very end they find a way to corral you down to the final scene so you basically get to hang out in the haunted mansion and do it i mean for lack of a better term and exist in it in any which way you choose that's fun yeah i'll do that that sounds good um and if there's a yeah if there was a version of this where you could just like so dr change you want to like uh hang back yeah

yeah for a little while if you would like a little about me you got a little magic like a little magic you could do and you could like pull books of magic like and just walk around and like look at portals and stuff because that's that's the good stuff i mean you got the second closest like experience to like having something either with the like a landmark in marvel or the character was like i guess spider-man on the ride he was coming pretty close to us and giving us his quips quips but everything else was like you saw it and it was very quick because we have to get to the action on this this was my i like this because it was a breather a breather an early breather again i still think that the way that this gets improved is you go it's a hologram we're going

to recreate something and then all of a sudden you're hulk i'm iron man you're you know captain america like we like we are like embodying or for this game, we have their powers. We're not, we're not upsetting the MCU. We're just sort of like, we're playing around with how those powers exist because I think we're interacting with them,

but we are, we never got to do anything. We all are equally matched. Right. Yeah. It's probably having at the end where like we're doing what we can but ultimately all the characters we recognize show up and do really do this stuff yeah part of the value-added proposition of it of like this is still a little more expensive than you would

readily pay for like a movie even though movies are always get more expensive. Hopefully VR gets less expensive to bring the price down to get more people to do it more often. I think part of the selling point is that they go like, well, this is an experience. It's, you know, kind of a sequel to Endgame and you can't get it anywhere else. And the characters you like are here, which I'm surprised because on the website they're like ant-man and and the wasp and doctor strange they're real voices yeah they got the newer people who cost less money but then a lot of people show up and but the thing is this is the whole thing that i read um and i my facts are probably a little bit wrong on it but after iron man was such a success every contract that disney put together there's a theme park clause in it which means that you are obligated to do these things and there's i think a

certain number attached to it so it is the only one who doesn't have that is robert denny jr uh so everybody else has to perform the duties of their thing now i don't think thor talked in this no and uh captain marvel did she talk yeah she did she did she did oh yeah yeah that's right yeah thor did not talk kind of growled but it wasn't like yeah wasn't a ruffalo growl but i feel like they definitely cherry pick some people for like because i think they're being calculated with who they're using for what and yeah maybe the newer people that have signed have more appearances in their contract yeah i mean i'm sure it's i'm sure it's a very interesting uh yeah how they break it all down you can make Michael Douglas do

a bunch of VR shit. I feel like he doesn't get one because if you go, man, who knows? There's that Ant-Man and the Wasp ride in Hong Kong that opened. Is anybody in it? Paul Rudd and Evangeline Lilly.

I guess my thought is and I always go back to this, which is like, if I am a character, a beloved character, not a beloved actor, a beloved, playing a beloved character, right?

It has nothing to do with me. Like the reason why people are going to Guardians of the Galaxy is not because they're like, I want to see Chris Pratt. It's like, I love Guardians. I want to exist in this world.

I want to see the collector. I want to see these things. If I am a beloved character, fuck yeah, I'm going to do a video, like a video game or, or a, or a theme park ride.

Like there's no way like what money I want money for this. Like, no, it's like, it means that you live on as part of this piece of like, like it's not, it's not like, it's not like do a commercial for Cheerios.

It's like you were in in one of the most established, the only theme park, really, the only top-tier theme park doing something that is immortalizing you. It's like, I don't understand why you would even have to- Millions of people will see you, multiple generations. You can take grandchildren there. It's me.

Yeah, Puddy is still doing soaring it's like let's do it's awesome yeah yeah they didn't change also some of these characters have the full face mask so maybe they just need your voice like and also they don't want your face because internationally anyone can be under that mask so it's easier to sell iron man or darth vader or ant-man with the helmet on you know and I just think it's like and it seems at least based on everything that I've seen from the Harry Potter rides all this stuff what is that maybe a day of shoot a real easy day of shooting it's not like oh I got to go away for three months to shoot this theme park right like that Guardians ride looks like

that shot and like an afternoon like after a lunch break. You never get different views on them. It's never like now a short film, a new film starring these people. It's like clearly, and it kind of has to be. They have to be shot from their one way where they're facing you and talking to you. So that's a green screen shoot. That's an old FOD PSA video.

If that can get you in, like you should be able, as long as you can get in the park for free if you're in a like if you're on a ride well that's we know that I think from the last conversation we had on this show right that that is an like we knew somebody who wanted to get a free thing because they were the voice of one of the rides

I think it was Dave Poliz talked about that where like he had to like go through a channel to be like I'm on the ride I think he did oh he did I believe he did. Oh, he did? I believe he did. Paul Rubens, I think, has spoken of some problems. I think now they've made things good with Paul Rubens. He said they canceled his pass as soon as Rex came off of Star Tours, maybe.

Wow. Oh, my God. They might be more cautious with that because they're more cautious about everything. And with social media, people could go like, hey, this big company screwed me like you know millions of people so that's obviously that's a fair so if you're ever in anything where there is a themed attraction what anything anyone needs i assume you're putting out there i mean i'm i'm ready to go i get me like i mean i think that that's what uh pat

nosswald did with ratatouille like i think he does like happily does everything around you like if it's a toy or whatever it's like because oftentimes the toys don't have the actual right voices and i just i guess my whole thing is like that's what you're signing up for like you are becoming a character you're becoming the voice of this thing of this this thing it's like and it's for kids it's ultimately for kids it's like if i'm robert downey jr i'm like yeah i want all my iron mans to sound like me all right i'll say i'll go into the the vo booth for 30 minutes it's like my pulsars are going get out of the way you know it's not like heavy acting it's not like you know it's not like they're manipulating you i think you end up looking worse if it's not you i think you seem lame if there's a bunch of products out there that are some bad impression of you.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we've learned Tom Hanks' brother does all the Woody stuff. Jim Hanks, usually. Jim Hanks. Oh, wow. I know Eddie Murphy has a guy who does all the Shrek donkey shit. Huh.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. And a bunch of different donkeys at that cart in Universal. Oh, my gosh. That's hilarious. Hundreds and hundreds of them. It's so hard to imagine. I wonder what the most in demand of all the...

Is there so much Woody stuff we don't even realize? I would think that Darth Vader would be the one that you have to... Oh yeah. Because Daniel Jones is definitely not doing all of those. No. No, I wouldn't think so, but he does seem to do a lot. I guess maybe he's the guy who doesn't care. Maybe he's the smart guy.

He's like, yeah, I'll just record my things things it's not like darth vader is like super talkative either so it's like you know just lay down a bunch also with modern technology and internet you can rig up a decent like a landline and just do it yeah yeah um and again how much are we really talking about we don't need that much we don't know that much and it's going to be filtered and fussed with so much in post anyway yeah actors get off your ass if you're a major film talent listening i would only want i would only want yes like i can get in the park for free if i'm like one of the guardians of the galaxy on the ride and i would just want like one of each toy i did like if i'm doing the voice on a toy just give me a toy in addition to a good amount of money for the actual. But you're giving up.

Like, I mean, who cares about them? I guess it's like Harrison Ford not giving his likeness to the Indiana Jones ride is so lame to me. Like, it's like, really? That's what we're drawing the line. Like it's Indiana. Like there is only one Indiana Jones. Like how much money do you want to make on this that feels like a 90s holdover that that was like the

night of like well you just don't do that you didn't expect it to be on a television show michael j fox isn't in the beg to the future ride i don't know if there was ever a story where he was supposed to be but those things i think all set and like star tours is c3pr2d2 but it's not right luke lea Haunt. So I, yeah, I think eighties, nineties,

you were calibrated. Cause now you have, you have everybody in the whole mix. I assume. Yeah. Those are spoilers. I do know. Yeah.

I mean, I feel like I just, just from the advertising material, is it not Adam driver though? I believe that Adam driver is always the voice like Darth Vader, but never the physical face. Oh, it's that. Okay.

Basically, what we're saying, Hollywood, is we're all ready to work. We're all willing to work. Especially if it's a thing that will show up 30 minutes early. If you want to have breakfast, we're all ready. Especially then. You have free breakfast. It's just a funny, weird holdout. Like, you know, it's just like a weird thing.

It's like, why make that your stand? Like, you become this, like, and it's not like, I guess, at a certain point, Disney has proven, like, well, yeah, we'll do the Indiana Jones ride, and we'll use all the pictures of you because we own that. But on the ride, it will just be someone who looks vaguely like you, and it won't be your voice. Fine. It doesn't stop anyone from coming to the park or using that ride.

So who cares? Like, you know, it's. Well, this is why I praise and congratulate Donald J. Trump for appearing in the Hall of Presidents. Thank you, sir, for stepping up, showing leadership in this area. Home alone, too. He's always. He somehow finds time to appear in every piece of media.

It's shocking that he has not appeared, cameoed in more things while president. Yeah, I know. He should be inviting them in left and right. It's for the best, but also kind of surprising he hasn't weaseled his way in. Put him in more rides. But for The Void,

this is a star-studded event. It really is is you're getting everybody in there evangeline lily paul rudd tom holland tom holland yeah tom holland in a big way yeah and i didn't realize uh take a yeah take a cameo yeah yeah uh and again for cameos that's that's i was also surprised that like like oh did they burn up a maybe because the voiceover it's different like did they burn up a theme park thing by just him going all right you guys clean up see you later bye now they don't now he's not going to be in the ride yeah yeah we used our chip yeah but maybe he didn't because he mo-capped that in the movie right so

maybe that wasn't his motion capture right it's just his voice so that doesn't count yeah i think a lot of that was i mean but it it was interesting that many characters is that much more animation and rendering and yeah man hour war machine in there too war machine falcon war machine didn't really get to see um well i tell you this one spoiler that i saw that i thought was very cool was uh watu shows up in oh i didn't notice up in, Oh, I didn't know. Up in the clouds when you're fighting, when you're fighting at the very end,

you look up and there is his face. Wow. You have to look up, up into the sky and to your, to your right. He was, I just happened to turn at one point and I saw his big face and I was like, Oh look. And then he just disappeared,

but it was there. Wow. He's a lot to the his big face and I was like, oh, look. And then he just disappeared. But it was there. Wow. He's a Watu. The Watcher is the character that like when an important event happens in Marvel, like history, he just observes. He's like a giant regal baby. Yeah. He appears when something of significance is happening in the Marvel Universe to like

document it essentially. So we wouldn't know if this battle was important or not if he didn't show up? Yes but now we know it was. It was very worth it. Hasn't really appeared in the MCU movies because it falls under the has he? He's appeared in like one of them. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 there's a

cameo the Stan Lee cameo. Oh the Stan Lee cameo. He's sitting explaining what's going on to a bunch of board watchers. It's a funny it's a funny but it falls under the fantastic four umbrella doesn't he uh well that's all very unclear i mean like nick fury also killed him there's a lot he's been assassinated yeah he's been i don't know multiple ones yeah we haven't played a very big part in our uh cosmic ghost rider uh issues we were very lucky that they let us mess around with him uh as almost like this because basically in

our marvel book comic ghost writer goes back through history and he keeps on messing things up and watu is upset about this and as he kind of messes more stuff up he has to stop being passive and and be a little bit more active and that was a big battle over at the marvel world but we were able to figure out a fun justification for how we could be active and passive at the same time and and still we could get revenge and do all this sort of stuff that's great that's interesting he's like i feel like they once in a while they let him do something yeah yeah it has to be a yeah it has to be a thing yeah it has to be yeah i think we used him we had a lot to using mind control to do something so he didn't

right do anything physically but he did use his mind they just wanted to be quiet and cool at the end of the day i think that they because he's in a he's a watcher you can't make him be a doer you know if he's a doer it's yeah he's waving his around harms around like us and this thing he's a watcher. You can't make him be a doer. You know, if he's a doer, it's... He can't be waving his arms around like us. He's like the eyes of Dr. T.J. Ekelberg, the billboard and the Craig Gatsby that watches all the sins. Like the Lorax billboards around LA eight years ago. Yes, the Lorax billboards.

The Lorax was the watcher of LA. Seeing all our sins, yeah. Yeah. So when you leave the Sanum sectorum you are then now you're in this damage control in quotes junkyard junkyard which seemingly just has a lot of old shield equipment in it nothing no no real alien tech or that i saw yeah um and then that's another kind of tutorial part two you're're now you're kind of fighting, but fun stuff happens. You get shrunk down by Ant-Man.

That's a blast. Uh, you meet Spider-Man. That's great. You get, when you're shrunk, you get, there's a suddenly a big piece of popcorn and it smells like popcorn, which is kind of a good convenient, like what's a smell we could do. I also was wondering, and maybe i'm wrong about this but like spider-man had no problem hearing wasp and ant-man speak when they were also miniaturized as well um but maybe they're all connected some some sort of bluetooth yeah

probably there's some avengers line frequency line uh i like spider-man uh saves us i think what this somebody throws a giant vehicle at us and he saves us. And that felt like a very fun moment. It gets really close. It's like the immersiveness. Yeah, it's very much above you. We're a lot of standing on platforms in this game. I mean, there's not a lot of...

The moving is to basically walk through portals, get on an airplane, the Quinjet, and then... But we're doing a lot of standing. We're doing a lot of walk, walk, walk, stand for a while, walk, walk, walk, stand for a while. And why are so many void things about you're on some platform, you're on like a balcony. It's always balconies, even Wreck-It Ralph, right?

You're like overlooking some big city scapes. It must be like one of those odd, here's something we can do well, so try to back it into that. I think because you can't interact with the environment per se like you always need to be like doing something into the like i'm throwing this into the environment i am you're like and you got to be like you're gonna be somewhere with like a rail something stopping you from just like walking forward into it right so you have to be limited in what you can do in the environment

but you also want to show off the technology and the expanse of the world they're making. Right. Because you can't explore the space. Like VR, you can explore the space. Right. This is like kind of like VR, but it's not like you can't. I mean, you're in these very small cubicles. Like the most space exploration that we got was in the Quinjet where we both had we had uh two people per

jet and uh but then they quickly again just bought all the windows of the quinjet and then you're just again on a platform firing right and one person is doing a tactile uh you know uh piloting but it that didn't seem to make a difference it didn't really yeah i was trying to do it to the extremes and it wasn't really moving. No. It wasn't a ton of variation. I thought I was excited for some sort of like up, down, left, right, but no, you're just flying. It was like a boat.

It was just like nice and steady. Yeah, very lovely boat that I like to get on that river and Avatar and just listen to some beautiful songs. Just a boat of serenity not a not a crazy boat i mean i think part of this is uh you are limited by the processing power of a computer in your backpack right whereas millennium falcon they can have like something like 16 different high-end processors to process a a totally destroyable world and modular world right this there's more limitation you're not seeing battle damage in this world you're really you're basically you're just firing you know that's not created characters who when you take care of them they're gone

yeah you're not yeah destroying a building in the building yeah you don't see any battle damage right uh in the world you're just kind of there and that's fine i think what i liked about uh secrets of the empire is that you're running around you are getting a gun out of a thing you are working on like a puzzle-y thing like yeah versus community there's a little bit more interactive this game seemed to be like you're gonna shoot lasers out of your hand and that is ultimately what we're doing we are shooting lasers and blah like that's and we're along for the ride but that's all we're doing like there's no team but if you don't love doing that which maybe i didn't if you get a little tired yeah or if you find it a tad confusing

then it's it's a little repetitive it doesn't heighten at all just sort of like and now we're on this platform shooting at the same things. That's why I think if you were a character, you'd be like, oh, now I know that I can always hit my Thor hammer. And that gives a reverse. Even just a different action. If the four of us were more different besides the colors of our suits. Yes. Yeah.

I think, I mean, yeah, I agree with what you're saying. And I also agree with it because like, as a kid, I was never like, I want to be like Batman sidekick, Michael. I wanted to be Robin. I also wanted to be those characters too, which I think is sometimes maybe a mistake sometimes when it's like,

and now you're going to be the superhero. And I'm like, but I want to be one of those superheroes. I don't want to be me. Yeah. I want to live live the life like that's why that there's a batman vr game which is great where you're just being a detective so you see a crime scene and as batman you have to investigate the crime scene but you're in his outfit and you go back to his crime laboratory it's a little bit more um it's great it's a great way but you're batman like you want to be you want to be batman yeah i want to be batman i don't want to be i mean i like being these characters which i

guess are just us with suits and the suits which we i think we all liked had our names embroidered essentially on the breast oh yeah we get to wear personalized shirts essentially which kept my dream and i think at the end of the day because i was feeling like it was a little bit repetitive it was nice to know that they were keeping track of it because we did get our letter scores and there was something feeling like all right well that it meant something like what we were doing yes yes yeah though i don't in retrospect i don't know how i would improve in any of the areas remember it was very surprising if i we should say that i think the best score was was mike uh though um mike and paul both a's jason and i both b's just happy there were no f's sure but mike also the highest

number of uh friendly fire yes which is why i don't think i didn't feel that i don't think you felt it during i think i was shooting at the heroes too much yeah i think i was i wasn't sure who was who i was very confused ant-man and the Wasp look like the bad guys from afar. I just want to say, I don't know if we've said yet, the bad guys are Ultron bots. Ultron is back. Yes. Oh, right.

This is the big, yeah. Which I liked. I liked that they had a recognizable villain. I want to say it was Spader. Was it Spader? I feel like it might have been, yeah. But Ultron, kind of a go-to Avengers. Like, Loki always comes back. Ingers like loki always comes back in the comics loki always comes back at some point ultron always comes back and ultron self-replicating so

you can always have a lot of goons like you always have a lot of guys to fight yeah that was and it was a fun way that they justified it it was good you kept it simple like again good story like as far as you get to see a bunch of different worlds they move you through different worlds you get to see places in marvel i would have liked to have seen some more i think the way we saw sanctum the sanctum sanctorum like are there other places that we could have gone to yeah that would that would have that same feeling of oh i'm in this spot because i think that that's the most fun of it is like yes what's the recognizable thing, I'm in this spot. Because I think that that's the most fun of it. It's like, what's the recognizable thing that I'm in? I want to be in it.

And like a radically different, instead of just like a different sort of cityscape. Right, yeah. We were in a lot of like, I feel like we were in a lot of barges. Like we were in a lot of junkyards and ship. Like a salvaged helicarrier, but it wasn't super clear.

I mean, I appreciate it that they use i think this is like a mcguffin of comics that i i think you can always is like always reliable of like there is a warehouse or a junkyard filled with some fucked up super science and uh we forgot about it and uh we're fucked now like something's going on it seems to be the premise of the opening crawl of uh rise of skywalker i mean it's like sure these ships have just been hanging out there yeah we're fucked now. Like something's going wrong. It seems to be the premise of the opening crawl of Rise of Skywalker. I mean, it's like these ships have just been hanging out there. The Deadspeak.

We're in. We're in. We're done. 500 ships have been under the water. No one knew. Just like the Enterprise. Also hanging out under the water in the second film. Just hanging out. We didn't know we could do it. Water blocks, water signals. There's no way to know it's there yeah the uh i think that probably the designers err on the idea care on the side of like teen boy teen boy is gonna go in there and

he doesn't like a boring talky thing he wants to shoot lasers out of his fingers or whatever and i think that like they err on that more often than not but i wonder i wonder if most people feel like we do or most people just kind of like i like the avengers i want a gamified experience versus like if dr strange took us to each of the aven' houses, I think maybe I would. And there was just a little fun thing to do in each one. I may have even liked it more. And honestly, I really liked this. I really had a really good time.

I had a great time. These are nitpicky things. I'm just sort of, yeah, we're thinking off the top of our head of what we liked and whatever. And you want to see the Hawkeye's Garage. I want to see Hawkeye's Garage. Where it's tuned to that guitar. Yeah, because I want to see a little bit of a reverse. maybe we can see when he's working on heaven don't have a name

and he's sort of in the lab in the marvel universe hawkeye wrote the same song yeah hawkeye is the most likely to use his fame of saving the world multiple times to put out an album or at least or an app or at least an app and he's yeah and he's got the hawkeye at the rock and he's got the garth brooks thing he's got hawkeye and ronin his alter ego yeah so he can do two different musical games personas yeah like it's chris gaines is his ronin so yeah that makes sense uh i want to go to spider-man's uh and amaze apartment in new york i think what we're talking about is i think home virtual reality versus whatever this is this is much more of a uh interactive event like i think like that stuff is fun to explore in the home you don't need you have your space you can kind of look around you

can interact with the space like uh justin roiland has that squanch games and like one of the things is like office work or or desk job or whatever. And you just are in an office and you get to pick up things and open file cabinets and answer calls. And then it goes crazier. But there's something about

just exploring a space. And you're never going to get to do that here. The most you get to do is press some buttons and do some stuff. Because they have to move you through. You're on a timer. The game isn't waiting for us to complete a task. It task right like if you don't complete the task at a certain point you're just you're okay we did it move on so do you guys feel then like given the limited

time then you want like bigger blockbuster i am essentially iron man i am hulk well i think if you need to adjust people to like this is is what this experience is, because how many people have really done something with the helmet and the backpack and that sort of thing, you need to get people into it. What I'm curious of is when does the clarity of it, like it's the same sort of definite definite when does it get clearer because i i'm starting to notice i'm sure it's been a couple years of fuzzy to me yeah it's a lot of messing around with and you're wearing your glasses on that i'm wearing my glass i think the void is the best of the vr stuff i've done is the most accommodating two glasses does it fog though no really i get so sweaty under these i think you have to figure out a lot of jiggling around with the eye like where does it fit the right way and then it really gets

but yes you're still gonna have like i think it's the processing power it's like yeah you're only like if it's only gonna get you you know it's gonna be fuzzy on the edges you have a little glaucoma like that's basically your every character is a little glaucoma and like they probably have the technology to make it like a little clearer now but like the investment of like opening all these things like they need to probably get another few years out of the whatever they have currently yeah yeah or it'd be shorter but i kept finding myself having to like okay if i hold it if i hold the helmet like this it's much more clear but then what if one of the guys turns and sees me looking like a four eyes they're gonna see this cool iron suit man right holding hands up maybe you guys would make fun of me i was really self-conscious

i love that i uh i also feel like to answer that question though like i feel like it probably has to do with the the everyone going through it a million times. Like, you can't necessarily, like, make it exactly for your head. Like, maybe in the future you go, oh, I got my own head, I bring my own headset into this, you know, or, you know, my own glasses. Right. You know, that you have kind of calibrated the right way for you.

Like, like bowling. You come in with your ball instead of using the alley. Yeah. You don't use the alley helmet. Or, I mean, I feel like those 3D glasses sometimes work and sometimes they don't work. I guess when I was saying earlier about the future of it,

it does feel like maybe there's just like, whatever, in 10 years, there's a sleek version of that. It's not a big bulky headset. It's something that is so much easier that fits. CES now, they look like steampunk glasses. Oh, yeah, okay. They look real.

I mean, the Oculus is tiny. It's getting tinier and tinier and tinier. And I feel like that's a good thing. So like in 10 years, it'll hopefully like really just be something you barely even notice on your head. Yeah. And it'll be like scarily clear. And you can live there forever. You can live there forever.

That's what we all want. And they're talking about that augmented reality too. I too i mean right because augmented reality is like another thing that could be they're totally more interesting it's rumored for mario kart oh wow so augmented reality basically is like you wear glasses and you can see the world what it looks like but it's adding like graphics to the world well and they were also saying that like that you wear that you're gonna be wearing glasses in the theme park land itself yeah i'm interested in that i was because there was a big we should probably talk about this on another show but there's a big mario like news dump or nintendoland news dump there's a music video that was released

i haven't gotten to watch it yet. It's fun. It's crazy. I think it's fun. I saw people saying maybe it set the bar too high if the land isn't like this music video. It's possible. It's too high. But yeah, you're going to have your own Nintendo Magic Band and collect coins. But then I also saw- Did you see this?

There was a video on Twitter of somebody with a band and then they go under a box, a coin box, and then jump, and then it makes the clang. So that's what I saw. Immediately, they are so weaponized now against Star Wars and Galaxy's Edge. Just that stupid, dumb thing. I can walk under a coin box and hit it. But I also feel like this is the kind of things that we were promised when Star Wars Land opened up. It was like, you're right. What you do on Smuggler's Run is going to affect how people interact with you in

the park that's not a thing what were they talking yeah that was never only if you're in the app maybe i i've been in the app it doesn't like it doesn't seem like it doesn't even sync up your ride doesn't sync up with the app it's not like you don't scan i mean i always thought you would like because that you would scan it at the end. Like, no, use your app on your way out and scan your code, and that would give you points. No. We wanted to have trouble ordering at the bar.

Yeah. Because I don't sell trees to pilot failures. Or just someone coming up to you and be like, rough flying today. Like, just basically as simple as that. But that app is also i love that app but but it's it's all very small it's i think the idea of these things are executable in a very controlled environment and then they go oh now we have to take this out in a major thing we were talking about going to rise of the resistance when it opens and i tweeted

about something about that and somebody brought up a good point like if it's even able to stay open for two hours on friday like you know like oh right the chances of this even working at full blast on day one sure is a question you know people might be listening to this on day one isn't this when we're putting that's a good point this will be out it's day one on day one and we might well some of us will for sure be there i'm going i am ready to go i'm going to experience it i guess people are listening to this though now are we abdoxing ourselves uh i don't know come say hi it's fine yeah if you're listening to it i mean some people probably right now it's 4 a.m and they're in a line at the disneyland resort so just lean out of the line and say hey jason yeah maybe he'll say hi back and he or he might be at the labrea bakery line waiting for the express to open uh for whatever reason my

experience on rise of resistance like okay we need your help go to la brea bakery for a long lunch and then come back in a little while my man uh yeah that's your dream finn i mean that was another thing that was in the novelizations but not in the movie finn loves la brea bakery i read that yeah why was everything in the bonus material novel you read it. Poe wears Sanuk sandals. Yes. He got confused. That was the Twitch stream and the La Brea Bakery was in the novel. Poe was confused though because he didn't know that Basin had become Sanuk.

And then he learned about Sanuk and loved the shoes. And Ray's full family tree was in the trunk of the SUV that was parked next to him. There's a lot of things you gotta do. You also get a specialty popcorn box. You will find out some more information

about a Babu Freak. Oh, I would love that. You have to be done with the popcorn. It's at the bottom. You finish it and then read the fine print. There's a series of pogs that explain how Palpatine came back, but you have to find those in a specific area. This is how Sleep No More affects things.

No one thought it would be so calming. Well, closing thoughts? Yeah, closing thoughts. Let me be really fast. I wish we could have stayed shrunk longer. That's what I was hoping, yes. Because I thought it was going to be all weird, dumb popcorn gags. I love this experience.

I love The Void. I will continue to bring I love this experience. I love The Void. I will continue to bring people to The Void. I recommend The Void. I just wish that they divided this ride into four distinct things. One time you're doing laser blasters. Maybe one time you're doing all miniature. You didn't really get to get much variety. Even though they were trying to create that,

like now you're flying the Quinjet, now're doing this it all was the same it just all felt to me like you're walking you're shooting you're walking you're shooting like there was nothing that like changed up the gameplay that drastically and i would have liked that a set really different set pieces yeah like where you could at least be doing different skills or even, hey, there's four of you. You attack his arm. You attack his leg. You attack his head. I'll attack this, you know?

Yeah, or like, yeah, some thing where you like maybe peel. Who have you peel off and you have to like infiltrate the robot? And it's obviously we're like next to each other. But like you're just like climbing little. I don't know. There's some way to like do it where there's two different missions and you both have to do a different thing. I would have liked a puzzle, a simple puzzle. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of what I'm getting at.

Star Wars hat. Yeah, just give me like a few different elements of gameplay. And especially because I felt like the Quinjet was thrown in there. We had no stakes to it besides just another way to, like now we're shooting and flying. But it wasn't like, it wasn't different gameplay. Like I would have liked it when he described it before he went in there. Oh, are we firing the Quinjet?

Because that's fun. Yes. All right, great. So now we're just going to do this. It's like Millennium Falcon. We're going to do that now. That would have been at least different. But no, it was all just hand.

Yeah. If somebody had to peel off and pick a song to put on from the Guardians mixtape. Oh, great. Oh, yeah. That would have been great. You get to choose. So there's like a couple different options.

That would have been great. Like the rock and roll roller coaster in Universal Studios where you get to pick your own song. Yeah. That's not rock and roll. Whatever that is. What is that called? Not rock and roll. It's rock and roll and not rip ride rocket.

Not Hollywood rip ride rocket. Jackie Ogden. Dr. Augustine. Dr. Jackie Ogden Dr. Augustine Dr. Augustine Dr. Augustine these theme parks love their thin slices yeah updating your Avengers

identification card it's time to renew like going to Avengers DMV yeah going to Avengers DMV paying the guild fees yes yeah yeah that would've been good

again I just wanted to hang out in everyone's bedroom or living room you're a bit of a I'm not going to watch them do things I'm just saying like I want to live in the world I want to live there I want to not be in this world I want to live

in Spider-Man's bedroom he's underage Michael no it's not a sex thing we're just buddies I will say there is something so fulfilling in that Batmanael no it's not a sex thing we're just buddies i will say there is something so fulfilling in that batman game and it's so simple and basic but you're putting on the batman costume yes putting on the glove you're putting you know and it's like and you look at yourself and you're like in the batman outfit it's so fun but what the problem that the void will always have

unfortunately it's a four-person game so whatever you're doing you have to find a way to make you all equal because essentially we are only one we don't do any teamwork in it right so we all are having to have the same exact experience but yet have the conceit of it being four of us because so we couldn't all be batman we couldn't all suit up as batman and i don't think it's complex enough to be like you'll suit as batman you'll be hulk you'll be like it just sort of i think the game i think there's an element of the game like you all need to be equal you're all stormtroopers right you're all ghostbusters you're all this black panther meets iron man right characters and you there's no difference to you besides the color right but does it have to be that way i think i think the technology probably

is at this point where you can't be doing disparate things sure right and it's just obviously yeah it's easier for them to program that you all shoot in this one way because like if you had one of you had like webs and like we're shooting and pulling things which would be awesome i think like it's just so much more work and so many more mechanics and so many more it's like those old video games that used to play like was like operation like wolf or like the old terminator game where you all have machine guns there's four machine guns on like a console and everyone has one it's like that's what we are doing we are essentially doing the the avengers version of that we all have a machine gun we're all firing at our at our distinct time crisis right it's all that you know it's like there's

nothing different to do in time crisis and again practically an easy way to get everyone up to speed exactly you know what this is yeah in 30 seconds yeah the only thing that you need to do is you know sure so is there anything else any other ips that work in terms of like everyone's equals like you're all the you're all the ants from ants or you're uh that's the first one you thought of. Yeah, I don't know why. Where's there just a field of identical? I'm always thinking about ants. If we were all... I mean, I think of Star Wars.

I was going to say if we were all battle droids, but the same thing as stormtroopers. That's stupid. What else? If we're all Jabberwockies. I'm going to think of... Oompa Loompas? Oompa Loompas.

Yeah, Oompa Loompas would be good. Ooh, operating the factory. I love that. That's pretty good. There's a problem with solving problems around the childhood factory? Unclogging Augustas? I also think we have to think about masks. Because Oompa Loompas, we have a size issue.

Oh, yeah. We'd have to, you know, and our faces would be seen. I think a lot of these games, they're figuring out a way to... What is your face in Wreck-It Ralph? You do speak a little bit. Yeah, you have like sort of... You're like weird people. You're different citizens of the internet.

Yeah, okay, cool. You are like a cartoon character when you talk, the mouth moves. That's fun. That's something they can do. What about Agent Smith's from Matrix? That's a fun one that's not a bad idea sure um that would be also very good but you know what it would be it would be

like hey i'm neo i've deputized you to all be as strong as me you're all you fight uh agent smith thanks for rising up with me now let me go to the rave the original inventor of the rave the matrix 2 uh the coachella the coachella that's true they had a coachella before any of the free yeah exactly yeah that's true there well you know avatar will definitely be the next void yeah one you would imagine yeah because it's already what it is you're already going into a body and suiting up i also think that we never do it because probably too violent, but a John Wick void would be perfect. Oh my God. You all have to be like firing at John Wick

or something like that, you know. There's these other companies that are popping up too that are doing this, so I wonder if they'll be like an R-rated company. Yeah. That'll do like a more violent one. Probably has to be. There's so many great VR bullet games and like beat saber and all

that i think that you're never gonna get the you're never gonna get a game where you're firing a gun in disneyland for good reason i think uh but i think there will be definitely the outliers sure that um and then i was the last thing i was gonna say is that it seems like we're getting some crazy simulators avengers ride into california adventure yes and this i was like to say is that it seems like we're getting some crazy simulators avengers ride into california adventure yes and this i was like when we were in the battles i was like i was very antsy because i was like i want to like fly and do something yeah because you heard what we think that stuff that ride might be no i have not heard this my speculation is there's two two or three pictures that came out where you start in a quinjet and you're going to some sort of battle in Wakanda and then there's a picture

of a giant crazy Avengers battle and there's like the guests are in little seats with their legs dangling which to me seems like a Soren type of a thing I don't know that it's probably I don't know that everyone will have like their own individual thing but maybe groups

maybe a little like Harry Potter maybe that but you can imagine what like whatever the ride system is like a very like high impact version of that would be great if you actually were strapped in and it was like a high impact story so like you're on the quinjet so you're flying fast then you're like bombing or whatever my my fantasy version of it is like the bottom drops out of the quinjet and ejects everybody into the battle. See, that's great. Cause they don't do show you in like the same kind of things in the jet.

So something has to happen to get you out of the jet. It's not, I don't think you're going to leave the jet and get a different thing. That's a comic book. Go to like best case scenario. Everyone jumps out the back and joins battle. Worst case scenario. What often happens is,

uh, the Blackbird or the Quinjet gets blown up and you get tossed into the battle which would be amazing if they did that sure so like yeah i mean i think it all is going to be about topping the rise of the resistance style of ride where it's like four rides in one it's like you're going to have a little bit of this a little bit of that what was kind of like the smart track meets this meets of that meets of this like you know because i think that's the only way to kind of upgrade the ride it can't go backwards from that and the only way and i think big insurance that uh would help it top that is if you were lowered

down finally into spider-man's bedroom i dream of it and then he tells me he's proud of me that'd be so nice you're like great and then you crawl back out the window you came in through fine i'll go in out the way but you've creepy you've moved the desk three inches like a creepy crawl it's not a family keep swearing that up and down paul sure you survived podcast thank you for having me back it was a pleasure uh much appreciated uh let's exit through the gift shop anything you'd like to plug at this particular time? No, Black Monday comes back March 15th on Showtime after Homeland. That's what I got right now.

Wait, and comics are right. Is there anything new? Yeah. I actually have a documentary that I did for Disney Plus about Marvel, which will be coming out this summer. Yeah, it's part of this documentary series that the Chef's Table guys are doing. Oh, nice.

Oh, wow. It's really, really fun. Big fan of those. Yeah, those guys are great. Oh, geez. And it's been a blast. And everybody at Disney Plus has been amazing.

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at patreon.com slash podcasttheride. Hopefully, Brides of the Resistance info coming to you soon. We can't promise. Oh, yeah. Next week. It depends on if that thing holds together. You hope it does. We'll see.

You know, brand new rides are built on hope. And that's all you can do. I really feel like Disneyland needs this. Like, they need a good launch day. Yeah. We're pulling for them. We don't want disasters. No.

We don't want women's feet sinking into the cement. No. The runner of the imaginary story. I have the belief that because it is already opened in orlando they could be ahead of the smoother yeah fingers crossed yeah that the whole ride doesn't just uh sink yeah but as you're hearing this we're probably braving though we might be stuck on it well we'll see lit on fire or something all right the boarding groups are getting ready to get in that boarding group we're ready to get only one one. We only got one that day. Only one.

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