Podcast: The Ride - Country Bear Musical Jamboree

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

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crystal palaces, and realistic moose eyes. Yeah's the jamber week intro because we're back talking country bear musical jamboree on today's podcast the ride Welcome to Podcast the Ride, or as Disney would call it, Podcast the Podcast Ride. I'm swinging Scotty Gairdner, joined by Big Car Alson. Yeehaw, hello, hi. I'm doing that because I have a canker sore today, and it's hard to close my mouth. So if I sound like this today, it's because I have a bad canker sore. Yeehaw was just a good sound to make to try to swish your mouth around.

And that's just what came out when you naturally lapped your tongue. That's right. Yeehaw. I see. Well, I'm glad it happened in such a folksy way. Hey, and sitting over there is an old familiar face. It's Jughead jason bonnet sheridan hi hi yeah i was slightly less impactful canker sore so uh two of the hosts two of the

hosts today have canker sores how about it uh this the gradual march of this show into medical ailment complaints continues yeah uh. I often have one. It's just that today it's so impactful and it hurts and it's right on the top. It's right on your instrument. That's right. It's like if you went to a country music show and there was a canker sore on the fiddle.

Yeah, I know. My mouth fiddle is injured today. This is impacting our odds of pulling off a jamboree. Bear with me today. Bear with... Oh that that's great i i just did off those names i went and looked up what our names were in the in country bear jamber week and if we pulled off what we vaguely talked about then you have heard the country bear jamber week theme music and general overlay from, I think, towards the end of 2022, as well as the art, courtesy of Tona Grasso, one of the great pieces of art of us

we've been lucky enough to receive, because we're kind of nodding back. We're back to Country Bear Jamboree as we celebrate the new show at Disney World, the Country Bear Musical Jamboree. Yes. So why not dust off the old, you know, let's refurbish and gold plate our old materials, treating this now refurbished attraction. That's maybe my favorite of the alternate themes for the show.

That's really, yeah, I went back and re-listened. I hadn't heard it in a while. It's very good. Yeah, yeah. Well, that requires some musical dexterity on your part, unless that was all plug-ins. Well, there's one thing I was playing on the keyboard that's like a fiddle or something, or I forget what it was, banjo or something. But I was playing it.

But then you can go back and you can fix it, too, with MIDI. I see. So, some, but no, there's like guitar and stuff. It's not like it's all robot or anything. Yeah, yeah. it but i was playing it but then you can go back and you can fix it too with midi i see so some but no there's like guitar and stuff it's not like it's all robot or anything yeah yeah but unlike the show yeah this is more robotic than played live no no great job i i did like that a lot i refreshed my memory and i think maybe just right before we dive into uh country bear musical jamboree uh you know going back to this old theme and overlay just made me think are there this this is a sound off in the comments kind of situation are there uh series that we've done before that you want to return in some form

are there attractions that you think merit a little event beyond just doing uh one big long episode about it because i remember uh being very happy with the with jamber week uh i that's that's something i'd be curious about um uh you know mini events which we're always on the lookout for yeah and events involving mini as well certainly please uh it's front of the line for those um and i even because i had a thought way back when and i wasn't sure about the title but i'm gonna pitch it now to you guys let's just let's just workshop it here now because this seems like it could work as like a little more meat on the bone kind of little event and that is this enchanted tiki wiki could be yeah yeah sure sure this that was very i'm trying to agree with you and i as soon as i finished it was like

halfway through i was like oh it's gonna sound critical. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's okay. We'll think of it. We'll think it over. Off mic. We'll talk about this off mic. I think it was canker sores effect. I think the canker sores somehow puffed it and created an attitude. People grumpy. They make me grumpy.

I was just cursing through the house this morning. Like, God, I can't believe it. Darn it. Oh, shucks. Shucks. Screw my seat. I did not yell screw my seat this morning, I swear. But I was thinking it.

Your daughter just walking around, gobbling and screw my seat. No. Her first words. Oh, no. It's not even normal profanity. I think she said oh shit yesterday. I'd rather she just say fuck.

I think she said oh shit yesterday. When she dropped something and she goes, oh shit. I go, did she just say fuck. I think she said oh shit yesterday. When she dropped something and she goes, oh shit. I go, did she just say oh shit? It wasn't directly after I said it or anything. I was just wondering if she heard me drop something once and exclaim. I've had some Lord's name in vain make its way in there, which is a difficult situation. I'm just like, don't do it when I'm not around with my uh pretty religious uh parents and family yeah uh so i try to curtail that one um anyway uh so this this show country bear musical

jamboree yeah uh the the somewhat confusingly titled or actually lack of confusingly just a weird title that's look i i can't hide from that i think the title is weird yeah it is weird i did look up the dictionary definition of jamboree and it seems to be a raucous large gathering it doesn't have to be music that's interesting i thought it did like i was like well i always assumed jamboree probably because i learned it from a young age from the country bear jamboree oh if this is your association you assume a jamboree is a big hooting hollering musical celebration this was a conversation that we had the other night pre-episode and we were talking about the feeling that the title is redundant and that

putting musical but this was supposed to be what was in your head jason is like isn't it redundant to put musical before jamboree yeah and i guess now we've determined music is not doesn't have to be part of a jamboree though you'd have to think it would help any jamboree is going to be better with music yeah i agree completely but that was was some of my thoughts. I kind of agreed with you when you first said it, and then I thought, well, this also might be one of these things. There might be several generations deep that have never encountered the word jamboree. This might be kind of an arcade.

As with you, Jason, if the word jamboree was not in this attraction, would we be using Jamboree? Yeah. When have you encountered, when do you see Jamboree out in the world? The one time I encountered it was in the Boy Scouts, and it was like a big meetup of different troops. Yes, that's a big one. Boy Scout Jamboree, which is also why there's a Jamboree road in newport beach because it's where all the it's where the biggest jamboree really but if you're yes yeah apparently uh but if you you know

if you're not around there if you're not passing by jamboree road all the time then why is it in your head there was a naughty by nature song called jamboree but that was like 25 years ago i don't think there's been a pop jamboree I don't think so Since There should be It's a fun word I really like the word I do too The victory is that the word is still in the title of this new show That is true, yeah

Well, that's going to be a common theme today There's victories here I think there's a lot of victories here Yeah That's the theme today Yeah But even that implies that we are kind of like looking for bright sides or like at least on the on the lookout for dark sides which has kind of been the hesitation since

this show was announced right there's a there's a double-edged sword here the country bears are returning they're getting refers they aren't getting kicked out that's the main right they aren't getting slaughtered they aren't getting thrown to that's the main right they aren't getting slaughtered they aren't getting thrown to the trash heap yeah getting changed into different thrown into woodshed yeah different uh i don't know presidents or something like they're not being changed to other robots they're not being put in tiana and re-skinned or something true they're there they're still there yeah yes um yeah as much as i feel like there are some presidents who could just be like these bodies could work. Well, yes. Some of them. Some of these 1800s guys.

Yeah. Yeah. Or if certain presidents return and the policy is that we need a second one instead of just bringing the old one. Yes. Back perhaps up to the front. There would be two. Yeah. That's not that there aren't two Grover Clevelands. Again, another one who probably could be a country bear body could work. Sure, yeah. Well, yeah. But for now, they all get to be themselves. So the existence of this thing, I think, is great. I think that they even, that they took the time to do kind of a, what would you call this?

A C-ticket, D- d ticket type refresher yes uh that's not gonna be a headline grabber it's not something that like moves the needle in a massive way for non-theme park fans right right but it's like a nice thing that you it's the sort of thing we want them to do all the time plus ups and and refreshes right yeah so it's cool that that they did this yes it's kind of like the tree house out here which they did half for practical reasons they moved the entrance of the tree house over in adventure land they moved it back so people could walk but while it was happening all of this all of all of unfortunately i hate to say tony baxter's street cloggers uh i mean astro orbiter's still there but we got rid of the rocks and then he loves to clog the streets i guess i mean they're all it's all

interesting the i i like when tarzan's tree house open it was this odd little outpost that gives you extra an extra walk to do yeah uh it was interesting but it just sort of becomes impractical after a while yeah but they took that opportunity to now re-theme that tree house it's a nice little walk they added like animatronics we should do a little episode on it sure eventually um but that's the thing where you're like they could have just ripped this out there's no reason they couldn't have just like this out. There's no reason they had to put money into it. But yes, it's a D-ticket little walkthrough. And it's a little refreshed.

These little historical society type, you know, that you want, you know, the little museum that shows you what life was like 100 years ago in the town. You want them to have the money to put new wigs on the mannequins. Yes. the town you want them to have the money to put new wigs on the mannequins yes who uh show you how old phones used to operate and how or you know who stand by old stoves yes uh you know we want these things to occur we want those little museums to have the hundred dollars they need to replenish the the wigs that spiders have laid eggs in i'm picturing a very specific type of here but you know so the disney version of that where that's that's not like it's you know that's not like all right building an entire new you know big trackless ride vehicle which we also want

them to do we want them to do everything um and but yes yes, there's generally a push and pull. There's a trade-off. There's a reason stuff happens too. So it's like I understand that from a practical way. I understand that there's a trade-off. You put money in here. You scratch our back. We scratch yours a little bit.

That's what's happening between Imagineering and the executive side. Good barrier. Yeah. I like it. The bear area. Yeah. Make it so people can walk in Adventureland and Disneyland and we'll give you a little money to make a little narrative about a family that's not the Swiss family Robinson but they're inspired by them.

That's what it is? Kind of. It's not them but it says it's inspired by them. I'm not sure. Modern though or in the same era as? Kind of. Kind of, yeah. It's not them, but it says it's inspired by them. Huh. I'm not sure. So modern, though, or in the same era as the Swiss family? Unclear. Kind of splitting the difference.

I walked through it twice, and now I can't remember. I think it's modern. Family that read the books. I believe so. Or saw the movie. I believe so, yeah. Uh-huh. Well, that's baffling.

Yeah. Are you not baffling. Yeah. Are you not baffled if you're there? If you're there, are you just charmed and not? If you're there, you'll read the thing and you go, huh. And then you walk up and you go, oh, that's where Sister looks at the sky in her little astronomy machine or whatever. Okay. This could be called a telescope, but I called it an astronomy machine. You got there in your own way.

Yeah. I respect that uh yeah they're lucky with that one i think that um as much as i think everybody would like the treehouse to be there in general but i don't think a lot of people are like you took out the swiss family who the robinson presumably um do you think there were people going, like, you took out Tarzan? Yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah. I don't think there's a lot.

Maybe, like, a very certain age. I think you had to be, if you were, like, I don't know, 12 to 15 when Tarzan came out. Yeah. And you like the early CGI they used to make him skate down the vines. Oh, I remember. Yeah. Oh, I remember. Yeah. Not really. No. Fine with it. Yeah. Yeah, no. Were you upset when they removed him from the treehouse? Not really. Doesn't seem like you were. No.

Fine with it. Yeah. I don't think anybody, I think they are very lucky there that they're dealing with two properties that nobody could be too mad about. Now here, it's a little more delicate. I feel like there was another type of Disney company. It feels like we've been pretty Disney critical recently, but it feels like there was another type of Disney company. You know, it feels like we've been pretty Disney critical recently, but it feels like there was an even colder version that might have ripped this out. I'm picturing like late 90s, early 2000s.

Yeah. In the era where it left in Anaheim. I feel like there's another version of the company where it is just like, we're going to move more. We're going to make better numbers if this is something else uh and i think it just wrote it maybe they just didn't have the money to rip it out in the colder time and in that time that's like one more generation that has grown up with this thing theme park nerdom is a little bit more uh common and accepted and i think people they had enough here like we liked

in general the show we like the characters and there was enough that they had to kind of like pay homage to and be respectful of to where like this i think this could have been so much grosser imagine if like you know back when they owned american idol or whatever i mean they own but you know like what if they if they hadn't thought of the american idol experience in studios and this became well we need a music show let's have robots of uh sanjaya or whatever let's make uh henry a little more simon cow let's make him a little meaner well yeah or they keep the characters but they put bear judges in the front. And it's like, I wasn't feeling it, dog. And then it's a literal dog who was singing.

I feel like it's luck that that didn't happen. I feel like I've read something like that before, that they wanted to do something like that. It just feels right, is what I'm saying, that they would have done that in a certain era. You're describing sort of like an under new management tiki room situation yeah where like depending on what the era was which i don't know if it's when what year does that come out that's early 2000s that's sort of what i'm picturing i think we got i think we're really lucky they didn't touch country right then where they would have done something like that was bad i think the taste as much as the current disney is very bland then disney was more likely to be shitty yeah and like even like the inner the ellen energy overlay we were like yeah this feels like there's such a specific 90s

feeling to some of like the humor of that and then it goes into like the year like the superstar limo era of comedy the stitches great escape chili dog burps yeah i think that's the era it's i think the bears are really lucky yes they skated out of the 2000s this is too i my memory is not like because i disney is getting like weirder or shittier in like not great ways and i'm like entering high school and going through puberty like i so i'm like it's less at the forefront of my mind you know yeah no the regrettable time we all had where we thought about disney a little less thank god it's rectified now that we are adults uh some of whom with children but i did think about the parks a good amount and i think that's a thing that comes up like one of the criticisms of this is like oh i'm a little bummed because when we were talking

about the other night i'm like oh they're taking away the country, like, kind of dated references, kind of dated comedy, and they're taking out these weird old country songs. They're, like, sanding off the weirdness. Yeah, right, right, yeah. Well, this is the debate I'm sort of curious to have, and as we dig in and kind of focus on, like, yeah, what did we lose here? Did we lose things that make it what it is or were there

things that just had to go and that is the only way uh-huh that this could have gone we should say we did not go in case it wasn't clear oh yeah oh yeah yeah this is a Zapruder film we're watching videos since it's a we made the call that since it's not like you physically have to experience it it would have been nice to be there because I think the speakers are upgraded and whatever, but you can kind of tell the show without being there. So just to be clear. I think you're right that the big, I definitely realized that the big thing that we're missing

and that we should mention and properly honor them for is the refurbishment of the theater. It's new seats, it's new carpet it sounds great apparently the the that it was sort of muffled before was largely because the speakers were behind a very thick old 70s curtain and they like lifted everything and rearranged everything so that i think there are still so just the way you know disney doesn't want visible speakers really in a show like this you still gotta hide them but just they were able to like pick a new curtain figure it out to where like some of them are like some of them are way

up here and then the ones that still have to go through a curtain it's just a better situation more sound is making it through yeah um i got some of this information i don't know if you guys watched any of this basically like this so this show as we were as you're hearing this the show is open to the public two days ago i think uh and but they did a preview for d23 members and there are videos of this and i thank all of the people who took the videos and posted them and made this episode possible without going there being in d23 yes uh but as part of that there was a little q and a before the show began and i'm glad i watched this because it kind of gave me a bigger appreciation for what they did and then also there's like backstory of the show that i didn't know in general that was covered here and just general oddities and stuff like that.

For sure. That like, okay, here's how they, they redid the theater that there's like, and that there's gold plating on the proscenium. There's gold plating outside on the marquee. The sign is gold. I think this all probably looks great in person and adds to the feeling of like this is a very refreshed show right little things like so that what I watched was an interview with it's like

it's an archivist talking to I think Ken Ricci who was the main producer of the show and he was clearly really excited about everything they did yeah and and just these little things that you'd never know that max buff and melvin the heads on the wall he said their eyeballs were

stickers before they were just little stick-on pupils and just little things like that that like all right now they've rendered that that's like that's actually a sculpted eye that looks better um and and this guy ken is clearly a fan that's what you get from it because he's considering every possibility of what would you miss that we might take out right and he here's the degree of fan that he is is that he said you're gonna notice a lack of clacking and we even talked about how do we retain the clacking i think people like the clacking and this is incredible to hear a disney imagineer say because clacking comes into play in anything like this that we talk about uh going back to see the ones in the the make-believe

band in northridge the chucky cheese band you're like i want to maybe i want to hear the clacking the clacking is part of it or i'm creeped out by the clacking or my kid doesn't like the clacking is part of the old animatronic experience i feel and apparently especially with them with the heads they were like maybe we could keep the clacking maybe there's a charm to it and they didn't because uh and i didn't get this from the videos either that apparently the heads talk as soon as you start coming in have you guys caught this oh yeah yeah i think they didn't do it in the videos that have been posted at this juncture yeah but instead of they're just there creepily and maybe clacking a little bit right the show begin they're making comments and telling you to like sit your bare

butt down or whatever uh from the second you get in there and I think there I don't know there's something about like the clacking was going to compete with the music but they actually like maybe we keep the clack we might want to keep the clack I mean I love that that's a conversation I love that they probably burned hours on keeping

the thing that shouldn't be that feels like a mistake right but some mistakes become part of the experience. Right, because we all love animatronics and we all have an affection for the clacking. Yeah. Like if you hear clacking in this episode from both of my co-hosts' canker sores,

that's where we keep that in there because it's part of the charm. It's part of it. It's part of it. Yeah. We could edit it out, but it'd be funny. I can't hear it from here but if the listeners are hearing mike's microphone if somehow it was really asmr in in my mind it is but i hope it's not hopefully not in your brain that's how you're hearing yeah yeah um but anyway but they did they did put electric motors in the eyes and the mouths.

It's the old, like, casing and bodies, but electric instead of, what, hydraulic is what it would have been before? Yeah. Also, part of this Q&A, some history that I didn't know. I don't think I knew that, you know, we definitely talked about that thing that this was supposed to be part of the Mineral King Resort, that this was going to be a show the mineral king resort that this is going to be a show uh for this uh walt disney run ski resort i don't think i'd heard it didn't feel familiar to me that the original plans was for it to be called bear band restaurant and that it was going to be outdoors which sounds pretty hellish at this point i was gonna say that sounds like a bad idea i think so now we're now music restaurant but i didn't know it was outdoors since that they said yeah that initial plan because wait i'm forgetting now was this opening day magic kingdom

or was it a little later i think it was opening day wasn't it i think so okay yeah i think so it came to disneyland later yes when it was well received oh yes which is why they built the double theater which was sort of an undoing um what is a reference to Mineral King in the show. Yeah. There's a line. It's a fun little nod. Yeah. That's where one of the guys used to play.

There's one for the heads. But yeah, Bear Band Restaurant, outdoors was one plan, and then they enclosed it. And here's really from the Q&A what I wanted to address, which is that the show is based on Mark Davis' caricatures, who was the Imagineers' most well-known for putting so much character and humor in his concept art, which was retained all the way through the animatronic but like if you're looking at it like an inherently funny silly looking animatronic especially in the old days it might be from mark davis so these bears who are trying their best but they're saying

you know they look a little silly they have silly proportions and they're playing their instruments funny um i think the initial concept art from mark davis was very successful and walt disney was brought in to look at this you know in november 1966 and it killed and he laughed and laughed boy did he love didn't kill him though it did yes that's all right that's a good point that's you recognize the date that I said, he laughed himself into the grave. People think cancer. What it was, was he laughed at the country bears so much. It weakened his lungs to the point where he couldn't handle a big laughing fit.

Sure enough. I see, I see. Yes, and his body was slumped over the art of the bears. No, just like, great. And he's like, thumbs up. You're heading in the right direction. I love it and then in the q a the guy's like and uh you know after not too long he he had passed so we refer to that as walt's last laugh what isn't that freaky i've never heard yes this is part

of the mythology now we're learning so much it's waltz lamp and we and he loves palm springs and catino and now we know about the country bears caused his last laugh oh my god last laugh if you google waltz last laugh does it come up is that like a i haven't tried i don't know um i that's a good well it looks like people are well what you get is a lot of Breaking Bad. Oh, yeah. Because Walter White kind of dies. Walt's manic laughter. Yeah, I see that. Oh, wait, there is a little bit. Okay, yes.

We call it, actually, this is from 2012. We call it Walt's Last Laugh because of the nice chuckle Walt got after seeing some of Mark Davis' drawings. That said, pretty weird mythology, isn't it? Very weird, yeah. How do we know that he didn't laugh at something at his house before he died again yeah what if one of the doctors treating him slipped and fell or his nurse some loose medicine yeah what about the woman who would treat his polo injury yeah every afternoon she had to give a couple laughs. I would imagine. In between rubbing the injury. Yeah, that's part of it, isn't it?

I would think it would be. Little ribald jokes. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we can say this definitively. I hope Walt got a lot more laughs in. But it's interesting mythology to know about. I also like to think about him laughing like Walter White. In the crawl space?

The crawl space laugh. Yeah, yeah. That it starts as like, oh good, Walt likes it. And then it continues for a sustained minute and a half. Oh. It feels vaguely psychotic. Should we leave? Maybe we leave Walt here.

Okay, so Walt's last laugh, the saddest phrase. Here's the other stuff that, because if you watch videos of it, you know that something's up with the animatronics. You know that it is improved, but they also look so much the same, which is a great victory. Right. And again, that we didn't end up in some area. Actually, I just thought of a new one, a Country Bear musical,

and it's high school musical style and all of the high school musical songs and one and one of the bears has corbin blues hair this is also something you could see them doing in 2011 uh-huh maybe a little bit they would have done it a little late like a little post like they just missed the popularity of their own thing yes uh but thank god they didn't do anything of this nature uh but they you know you could tell that they're refurbished but i wasn't really sure how and now i've figured out what happened it's the same bodies it's this if you ever see if you've seen a stripped animatronic if you've been so lucky uh it feels like you know there's like there's like

big glass or plastic pieces that make the you know like a big rotund tummy or whatever it is i think that stuff like the molding is the same yeah it's new fur it's new skin it's a modern control system uh so it's it's it's basically it's a weird these all the robots are a weird fusion, right? Where like the, you know, the outsides are new and the base is the same, but it's like, it's a hybrid of like some hydraulic, but some of the newer technology. Right. And I hadn't heard any of this phraseology before. Tell me if we've ever talked about this, but I don't feel like we have.

That the original, original animatronics were considered a1 audio animatronics this is what all of the old school ones would have been classified as a1 and now these are a1 a100 hybrids and a100 is defined maybe by wicked witch in in Great Movie Ride. Remember how great that animatronic was? I think all the others in that ride are A1s. They're a little more simple. They turn their head a little bit. But that one gesticulates to this kind of shocking degree where it feels very photorealistic.

Newer presidents, I think at least obama and everything after have been a100s and then a1000 starts with hondo onaka and maybe uh lieutenant beck and kyla ren in rise of the resistance i think like it's not all new animatronics but a lot of them uh are a 1000s now i i like this numerical system i like that it is uh done with terminator i was gonna say it's yeah it's a terminator yeah numbers yeah um to where yeah eventually uh all of the 3d movie we end up with a 1 million yeah and a 1 million tries to hunt us down and kill us right well it's a partial liquid it starts out and reaches out and caresses your cheek like that mike imagine mike getting you know i'm proud of you from Optimus. Yeah. And it like, he wipes away a tear,

you know? Yeah. That'll be the day. Well, Michael, yeah. Great support of the tier. Uh,

you'll, Mike will love the a one millions. I will love the million one millions. Uh, we certainly, I don't think, uh, had time to talk about this distinction on the great movie,

right? Episode. I will say that. I don't think there was enough room. It was in my notes. And this guy came in and messed everything up. And before you know it, we're all sucking on jewels. Well, you know what?

It's one of the things that's torn me up for years that we didn't get to talk about A100 and A1 million. Maybe we just have to do another Great Movie Ride episode and then just lock the doors. Yeah. Yeah. And there'll be no shenanigans. That episode is called Great Movie Ride 2, this time boring. Yes. And there'll be no shenanigans. That episode is called Great Movie Ride 2, This Time Boring. Yes.

And there will be no shenanigans. And we are very clear there will be no other people than the three of us getting into that one. Yeah. And certainly there's not some way that he could come in through the vents. No. We'll do our best. We'll burrow a tunnel through the ground. Like a Bugs Bunny situation. I started in China and went all the way through. do our best burrow a tunnel through the ground like a bugs bunny situation

i started in china and went all the way through at first i busted out of sing sing um anyway so that's what we're dealing with here is that now it's they are all they have like half leveled up they're almost yeah wicked witch but not completely but they can sure do a lot more than they used to be able to do there's also there's a thing that came into play with a100s that i'd never heard of before which is a new control system a control system called compliance and here again we are in kind of scary sci-fi movie yeah compliance is just like a way that they could like uh basically like uh an old uh abraham lincoln original lincoln robot could not suddenly do a karate chop right because then the entire body would shake around in this

weird way but compliance is this level of control or actually gives actually it gives a little bit of freedom to the robot where it can like stop a little bit past where we say that you can stop that's what's happening with these robots apparently is that like what we'd like you to stop here but that's just like where you need to start slowing down so they so it's like uh uh what's the like uh it's like a car being able to like uh slow to a halt as opposed to uh basically like newer robots aren't faster they're just they have more they have more precision they can slow they're more precise and they could slow down uh kind of of their own volition apparently interesting yeah yeah so it's not even though some of these robots feel very fat like a big sweeping motion of the shaman of song interesting it's like uh well the rumor is one of the rumors for d23 is that there's

going to be a walt animatronic coming to disneyland this is still really that's i've heard a couple that's what people are saying at the very least they did like some presentation where there was like a hologram walt which kind of looked like deep fake walt which i am not as interested in as an actual robot because like they they've there's apparently been like some sort of patent filed or work permit for like putting in another spot on the lincoln stage so when it flips over there will be a spot for a robot or something there and people are speculating for the 70th anniversary you're going to get like a little walt presentation and then it'll spin around and do the l. So he'll explain this was his idea or whatever.

Very country bear that there's a little like side stage. Yes. Walt does a little side show. So I like the idea that there, like this is a Walt is going to be an A1000 Walt if that's, if the rumor comes to pass. Or hopefully a million. Hopefully it's a Walt that can liquefy.

And then also something I'm worried about Bugsy doing. Yeah. But like, yeah, well, Or hopefully a million. Hopefully it's a Walt that can liquefy. And then also something I'm worried about Bugsy doing. But like, yeah, Walt can split into 10,000 pieces and then reform. Walt can climb into your water bottle, go home with you, and then give you a scare. Oh, man. At the Honda Center, you reveal Liquid Walt to like 10,000, 15,000 fans. Yeah, he goes. They liquid walt through the sprinkler system and then he reforms on stage and starts picking up audience members throwing some devouring others no i was okay that we were probably not going to d23 until now until we

hear that yeah shit so we know we would walt well they're good they look they need bodies they need bodies to begin the battle against the Walt 1 million. Well, I want to do it. Somebody get us in now. Somebody get us on the press list to D23, because I want to get... That's why they are doing the Honda Center,

like, the different kind of compliance of, like, no bags unless they're clear plastic and this size and this size because they want to make sure the liquid walt perfectly fits oh yeah yeah oh yes well yeah smart yeah yeah he can perfectly divvy up little pieces of himself to every audience member that would be a real showstopper after they explain when the portos is opening in downtown disney and then they finally go right and they go when we have one more thing and then it's liquid walt for disneyland that's the main yeah yeah that's the i know we once again we're building up d23 to be a lot and yeah it could be

like the lego store is getting a new sign um well we will see um now didn't we address when we did an episode about the partner's statue yeah but the statue of walt holding hands with mickey in in several of the parks did we didn't we discuss that one of his wishes was to not be yeah yeah portrayed in a physical form in statues or in anything and now they're gonna make a robot of him? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Well, they did the statue, and that broke the dam on it, I think. Yeah, yeah. It was like, well, fuck him, whatever. Here's the statue of him dreaming, and it's like taking his crap. You can touch it.

It's scalding hot metal in Florida sunlight. There's hot Walt in Epcot. There's liquid Walt inneyland there's all the different varieties and cold walt's head uh yeah yeah freezer somewhere so yeah no they he's he's really rolling in his grave and also something that they will portray soon in a that he's rolling yeah it goes yeah our new technology that our our new electric motors allow walt to spin in his grave in the haunted mansion oh yeah that'd be good much faster than any robot could have 50 years ago that's cool uh uh so anyways uh that that's a lot of the stuff

they did i i found that a little interesting that it's like Because you could tell something's up. These are improved. And again, a big victory, something that I don't think would have happened in the 2000s. I think they would have just slapped wigs on them, done something disgusting. But here we get kind of, I think, thoughtfully revamped animatronics, and that's cool. And if people want to, do you have an account for a good quality version of this Q&A? I think Laughing Place posted one. Oh, cool.

There's a cell phone that goes off for a full pass and maybe one more during the Q&A. So just be warned about that. But that's not the fault of Laughing Place or the Imagineers or anyone. No, they're usually pretty reliable. I single you out,

whoever in the audience let that go for the whole time rude uh oh also it's literally programmed by the the these animatronics were programmed by the the guy who programmed the first a100 the wicked witch his name's doug griffith who was like the master in the 90s he's the guy who did all the programming of all the most fluid robots that moved it all forward when we were kids and soaking it all up. Journey into Imagination was him. American Adventure was him.

Kitchen Cabaret. Horizons. The sword fighting pirates that are just in the Pirates of the Caribbean in Disneyland Paris, which were kind of a big next step step forward in animatronic fluidity this guy's a legend he is a legend and this is his final uh work in the parks he is retiring after this that's cool we are seeing like a master who really knows who redid

the country bears already in 92 and so he knows the characters and he's given them one more go that's really cool he was already like settled in on his houseboat in Florida and they're like we need you to come back for one more job one more job it's like I don't do that anymore and what if we told you they were going to sing you've got a friend

in me god damn it sounds good can I just say them calling the d23 parks presentation horizons is really setting up the expectations like crazy you saw that right yeah yeah they're calling it horizons which is like they they bulldoze you can't and it might have a permanent sinkhole around there yeah but i just i had to say that because I'm like, you can't do that. You cannot set us up like this.

Yeah. The expectation-wise. I know they're not bringing back Horizons, but still. That would be, that'd be a shocker, wouldn't it?

I would fall on the floor, yes. Yes, the longest ride with the most damage just brought back. There's no way. We're going to rebuild the future of the 80s.

But I guess maybe they'll replace, yeah, the build. Like maybe that's, you know, but still. Like calling guess maybe they'll replace the build. Maybe that's the answer. But still, you can't call it that. Don't do that to us. That is mean. What is on the horizons?

New experiences? New dumplings, perhaps? It could be anything. Tai Fung is open at Downtown Disney. New strategic partnerships with big box stores. Ladies and gentlemen, theo of kohl's we've got many sephora stores in our stores we've got many champion stores now we've got many disney stores horizons and they're playing like the horizons music or something could be you can't do that we have to my expectations are now uh in the toilet uh

d23 tied with biden's electoral chances and if either goes better yeah and i'll just be pleasantly surprised i want to be i want to be front row at d23 now at the honda center to boo if they do like horizon bait and switch so now if somebody can get us in a d23 uh all i want to do is front row so you have to do that for us so we can boo when they like say something about her horizons you go oh yeah and they're like we're putting a coals where horizons used to be in epcot well i hope you're ready for the walt 1 million to uh form its liquid arm into a giant ice pick and just like nab you in the forehead really fast it's less than a second and that's the end of that threat i'm nervous about the panel because i've got a parlay bet on what color josh tomorrow's bomber jacket will be so if i i'm

ruined if it's not black it's okay okay okay, okay. Yeah. We talked about- Well, but Brown's, see, you can't count out Brown because Brown's a little homie. That's like Launchpad McQuack. Oh, that is cool, yeah. Mm-hmm. Fuck. We talked about betting, right? For D23?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we'll have to figure that out. Yeah, yeah. I don't think we've, we haven't gotten the nitty gritty on that. So that's some backstory to the new show and i did appreciate that that q a and everything um and i don't know where we go from here do we start talking about this about the show uh i mean there's personnel also but that could kind of come as we go um i mean i think

it bears mentioning it bears mentioning that uh one of the big reasons for hope and excitement within this group of three, especially with one of this group of three, was the involvement of a name that feels so coincidental and so up Mike's alley that it feels like a simulation, BuzzBuzz, that one of your favorite people, human beings, Yeah, yeah. As part of this refresh. Is this a good time to talk about that? Yeah, Mac McAnally. Mac McAnally. Jimmy Buffett's right-hand man. And you didn't need to say that because, again, most listeners know that. Well, yeah. That context is not needed.

But yeah, longtime Coral Reefer band member, Mac McAnally. All songwriter in his own right. Having seen Jimmy with you once is the real musical muscle of the show uh one of my complaints about the show that i saw on some of jimmy's songs in general is the feeling that it's not the most musically ambitious it's a little it's laid back which is what his vibe is so so I shouldn't be surprised. But it's, you know, all right. It's all right. And C to A to D.

If you get any musical bang out of those shows, it is Mac McAnally, a stellar musician who gets like a moment to shine. Has his own robust body of work. Yeah. Time country music CMA musician of the year. i have this how is that how is that i don't confuse by that isn't there more pop are there more popular country musicians than mac mackinale i give this award to i think he's written a lot of it's because of his song writing where i come from yeah um that i just got this email that says that this morning i guess i don't care

but who did back where i come from again we say these things i don't know what that is really i know that song but and i'm having i'm blanking i probably said it on the show well there you go y'all he did back where i come who's the artist of that song from silence for one straight minute okay i could kind of hum it, though. All right. That's something. And Mac, Mac does it, too, when he plays. He did it when we saw Jimmy.

Yes. Did he do it with Jimmy, or was that when Jimmy took an intermission? Jimmy leaves the stage for a second or two, or a second or two, like 10 minutes, just to chill out. Yeah. And Mac plays his own shows. He's playing solo. he's doing a tour now uh now how do you know that mike well so so i i forget because i follow him on all the social medias uh i assume this is where you're going with this yeah um and i've been waiting for him

to do a california date for years and he hasn't done one i think and since i was aware of him he hasn't done one and i saw that he was aware of him he hasn't done one and i saw that he was playing california he's doing i think the troubadour in los angeles but he's also playing buck owens crystal palace which is in baker's field yes man this is a place i would like to go it is kind of a drive dude let's get an episode out but that would be an episode in august in baker's field i was talking to scott about this and i said this is interesting because these dates are in august and i said let me take a look at the dates i wonder if mac's gonna be at d23 because that i was that's what the second weekend in

august and sure enough his d23 weekend is free the troubadour is on like maybe the thursday or friday before and then the crystal palace is let's say tuesday after d23 and the d23 dates are opened up so scott felt i was stalking mac by tracking his tour i thought it was funny that you said i think mac's gonna be at d23 he's free he's free that weekend i was like well he's free unless his grandkids having a birthday how do we know you don't know everything about what mac and ally's doing the chances of him being he's in los angeles already those dates are open i'm saying it's it's highly likely i didn't go through like some records i didn't hack his phone or something i'm just saying it would make sense that he would be at d23 with this ride opening that he produced

and is a voice on. This is true. I think it was the phrasing, he's free. What if he's got a medical appointment? I mean, I don't know what he's doing in the morning, but in the afternoon or night, he's probably at D23. He hasn't seen in a while. He's got a lot of breakfast. Yeah. I think it's an instinct

maybe from to a lesser extent whether someone will show up at a Comic-Con. But wrestling, when someone's a free agent or about to be a free agent, and you look at their tour dates, and it's like, oh, well, they're doing this show, but such and such promotion is in town the next day. So they could show up there. Right. Well, yes. Thank you for justifying

mild stalkerish behavior. Mild. Just providing context. Although, if anything, my joke was like, you know, that you actually don't have the full picture of McNally's.

Well, that's fair. I don't know for sure what he could be doing that weekend perhaps los angeles he has other business it's just very coincidental that he's there during that that's true and they're open unless he's added dates well it's like you know we're going to be at comic-con doing the street sharks panel right uh and coincidentally uh also nearby is Hall H, and maybe we're getting announced as three of the Fantastic Four in the next phase of the Fantastic Four. Once they reset this one, then we're three of the four.

Well, sometimes there have been three. Yeah, we're the new Fantastic Four. What is it? Hulk, Wolverine, Spider-Man, and there's another. Yeah. There's been too many versions. I can't remember. For the Fantastic Four.

But yeah, we'll be in Hall H. Yes. Yeah. All right. Yeah. We'll just take care of that one. We won't be mysterious like Mac. Yeah.

Maybe Mac will be in Hall H too, though. Maybe he's doing the music for Fantastic Four. So his involvement. That's, again music for Fantastic Four. So his involvement. Again, it's crazy. You're like, again, what podcast, theme park podcast talks about Mac McAnally at length? Yeah. And then for him to be like a main figure on this is pretty wild. And the potentially scary news of this ride or this attraction getting redone, but it's by somebody who you trust.

Yes. I assume. I think so. Yes. I guess with that, we probably have to figure out, did they pull it off or not? Yeah. And, I mean, here's the big, maybe the big thing to say is that it is mostly songs from the disney library and catalog right yes uh songs from movies done country fide yeah done in very country bear style yeah um i

definitely saw people just looking at the set list having not watched the show and saying that it feels boring to them yeah uh so that's a sentiment that is out there uh did we feel this way how did you both feel i feel conflicted the bears look great we talked you talked about this the fur is bright and vibrant yes looks. Looks nice. The new outfits are great. Their little outfits. Everyone's little outfit is really good. The show sounds cool. It's great to see the bears. Just feeling the love that was put into the bear robots is nice to see on video. I can appreciate all that.

It's a fun show. I think kids will go in there. They'll see funny bears. They'll hear songs they like they will laugh they will applaud i'm scared by this tone uh they'll be net they'll they'll like it their smiles will be formed on faces now that said there is a turn you interrupted whatever turn i was gonna take but that's okay Maybe you blunted any sort of anger that was going to. No, I'm not angry. It's just, it feels a little bit like an ad for Disney. It just feels a little bit like, yeah, they're doing the songs in a different style.

I would say my biggest complaint, and maybe this is wrong maybe people will disagree it feels like the characters of the bears aren't there it almost feels like the main joke is just can you believe this bear is singing that song you know versus like a bunch of hillbilly bears singing about being sad and horny which is what the old show was. Sure. Which I agree. Maybe you don't need in a park in 2024. So I understand why you would redo want to redo the show. But now sort of the main joke of the show is like,

Oh, they're doing the song from Aladdin. Oh, okay. Versus like, I can't believe that this bear is singing about like, uh, tears her wine tears yes which is like a sad song or going out and having women be upset with him because he can't

cheat on his wife or something like there were just it's a it's a much simpler game whatever you would call it it's a much simpler concept now which again i think people will like and i like too it's just like it feels kind of like an ad it feels a little bit like an ad for the other songs in the disney catalog well it creates a an insular world where only disney songs and properties exist yeah isn't it you know it's like a little bit of closing off of the bubble. Like we found a place where there was a leak in the bubble and we patched it up. Right. Yes. Yes.

There is Adam Resnick is the one who wrote Cabin Boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He has a book of essays and there's a pretty funny one where he talks about him and his family going to Disney World with like his sister-in-law's family. And they are, like, diehards. And him and his family don't really give a shit.

And they have a terrible time. The weather is bad. The parks are crowded. They're staying at the Wilderness Lodge. And his daughter is, like, not enjoying any of that. And they walk back in the Wilderness Lodge. And I think the big goofy bear from the wilderness lodge, from those old,

old cartoons is there. Okay. And she says something along the lines of like, Oh God, they're here too. And I think that's kind of, you know, was along the lines of what Mike is saying.

Like, Oh God, they're here. The songs are here too. I see. I know it's the middle of what Mike is saying like oh god they're here the songs are here too I know it's the middle of a Disney theme park but I think the thing that always appealed to me since I was a little

kid is like you can't get country bears you can't see the show anywhere else you can't get alien encounter anywhere else you can't get the people and that's kind of what I locked in on show anywhere else you can't get alien encounter anywhere else you can't get the people right and that's kind of what i locked in on sure i've had that's i think a big thing that's always appealed to me so by doing songs that exist in other forms it feels a little less my other big

thing is like it is fair like it's not a bad thing, because, you know, kids only have so much patience. But this show is fair. Like, they are doing snippets of these songs, and it's on to the next one. Well, that feels, the show feels shorter, definitely. I feel like it was always snippets. There were always some really short, you know. Yeah, 30 second, 45 second little song. Yes.

Yeah. So that's not necessarily, but it definitely feels like they whip through it. It feels like, I think like less characters, right? I think some are out entirely. A big gripe I have is they combine Trixie and the Sun Bonnets into one musical number. Yeah. They don't get their own numbers now. And Trixie does not come back at the end.

Oh, do they not? Because Henry and the raccoon are in that spot. Yeah. So, yes, that's like right away where you're like, well, they're all, they had to combine the characters. That bums me out. They became backup singers instead of leaders. Right. Of their own songs.

I mean, the Samba on a Trio, that's the best song in the old show. The guy to turn me on, turn me down. If you haven't seen it before, watch it. It's crazy. It's in 2024 to watch, but it's fun. It's really funny and weird. Now, that is one of those... Okay, is that one...

Do we put that in the category of cancel because they look little little i mean it's or is it just weird to say turn me on in uh it's an old song so i think that used to be a little bit different i mean it doesn't mean the same thing but i think turning on didn't mean like oh my god i'm being turned on versus just like oh like i'm really i like this guy you would use it meaning to like more i like this person and they don't like yeah so i like that turn on tone also oh my god hey that's what i do oh my god i don't mean to give too much baby look at this too much insight here motion but that's what i go my voice gets gravelly and i sound like wolfman jack can

you believe it maybe you haven't known. You probably couldn't tell, but the blood is going haywire in my veins. Look where it went. My slightly below average testosterone level is getting slightly more average. My heart is going wild, and it's not just because of any sort of defects in there uh well i i will also as i said before i'm not against the idea that you can update all this stuff i'm not against i'm not saying that this needed to be still in the show i'm just saying that was such a funny weird thing to have in a bear show with those three characters and now

they're sort of just backup singers and they don't get to do anything that if okay if they've lost any characters personalities maybe it's them three romantically aggressive bears is fine that that has definitely gone away yeah and there's a way to do that like in sort of a soft and i also think and i don't have a good example of what to do i also think there was a way to do some of it with disney songs in clever ways yeah and and the one that they did at the very least that they put a gag in is the uh supercalifragilisticexpialidocious number with just a fid the fiddler who is is uh. His fiddle starts smoking because he's playing so fast. At least you got a little joke in there.

That was a good gag, yeah. And in the lobby, there's new stuff in the lobby. Well, the lobby looks great too. We didn't even talk about that. But the lobby, they put a bunch of new stuff. They put the classic little teddy bear from the original in a glass case. There's like a lot of fun details that they put in there.

Reviews of the show outside from Grizzly Gazette and Hibernation Magazine. There is a picture that I think raises more questions than answers, but there is a picture of Henry and the ladder. Oh, yeah, yeah. He finds a ladder and goes up to Swinging Teddy Barra, and it appears they're eating a lunch because the thing was like i'll be up there if i can find a ladder yes in the original show

but they've like closed that loop as soon as i find the ladder i'll be right up right so all that stuff makes me feel like okay people really cared is what you're talking about which yeah confirms that that they like really wanted to put a bunch of references and stuff too. Well, here's, okay, so here's something else I got out of this Q&A, was the feeling, you know, the guy's pretty bald about the orders from above where the show is going to go away

unless the music can appeal to a broader audience. Sure. That is what was said. That's kind of the code for uh put songs people know and not like 1930s country songs in the so this is and that's why i mean i wanted to like give the the props and credit to to to that imagineer and everybody who worked on this and i think this is the epitome of something we see a lot where there's like kind of a, maybe you call it an odd idea or a flawed idea or something that we don't necessarily agree with, but that is like being executed as lovingly and carefully as possible. I think that we find this a lot, that the Imagineers care about what the order, like let's do that order the best way we can do it yes even if the

order is a little weird yes and i do feel that because like yeah a tiki room under new management or something where you feel like i don't know that the people who made that had disdain for the parks or something but sometimes you feel that in those old rides you're talking about the old overlays where you're like they're like they're like ah this old thing sucks huh don't you hate it yeah yeah and you're like attitude and that's where you're like they're like they're like ah this old thing sucks huh don't you hate it yeah yeah and you're like attitude and that's where it feels like it's coming from and there's no attitude in this right exactly so so yes of course i course i can appreciate that i'm being a little bit like i don't know well how do we how do we feel about you know there's a

there's an introductory song which is fine called country bear musical jamboree yeah that's original that's not from other ip right and that's you're like all right this the the stage slides out and the five bear rugs come out and the hootenanny begins and it's like fine it's just like a i think like it's fine i don't know why they couldn't have done the original one there i guess there's more like introducing the bears in that original one which they maybe didn't want to do i feel like we don't we don't need to do that yeah don't worry original one there i guess there's more like introducing the bears in that original one which they maybe didn't want to do i feel like we don't need to do that yeah don't worry about them and this this one definitely in the same way that musical jamboree underlines what it is says the title to like let people know this is what's happening more i guess yeah even though you

see a bunch of bears with instruments i guess you should kind of know but maybe they felt like now some bears are coming out and they have instruments do you know that this is music this is musical perhaps the premise was lost in the old way where people like I don't know what this is yet and you're like well let's call it musical jamboree in this in the new song the song's fine I think it's fine it's fine then we get into uh his first song up try everything yes try everything and that sets the tone for what i think the whole show in me because i've watched this like six times i think by now wow and i do like it i do like it more and more at first i was like it grew on me yes i put it on when i was kind of falling asleep one night and just listened to it i wasn't really watching i was like and and so then when i watched it and i could see all their jaunty

little outfits i'm like the outfits are great the sun bonnet's new little outfits are great i'm a big fan of them and let's be clear we like the doll that we like the bears little outfits but that set the tone for me seeing it, I think, is to seeing, oh, the Sunbinders and Trixie are together. And what is this? Oh, there's pictures on the back wall, but they're not that funny. Oh, the characters are lost.

What are we doing here? That sort of set the first watch for me. They ruined my childhood. Yes. It's complicated because they did preserve the slideshow, which I feel like was just a technological thing of its time. And I'm like, I kind of like that that did come back. I can't tell what's in it.

The videos I've watched are too far away. Yeah. So I like that there's, I assume, I don't know what's happening. Okay. There's some pictures. Trixie is like skiing and then she's trying, I think, pottery. And then. Okay.

But the other, like she's sailing here. We're in Mark Davis concept art territory. Bears looking silly. It's not. Trying things. There's also, I think, there's the effort made to make Trixie, who was sad in previous iterations, to give her a happy as she uh stretches outside her comfort zone and tries everything try everything the song that kind of opens Zootopia the big like train ride that takes you through all the different uh boroughs and parts of Zootopia um a song that

I've I've ended up with a decently soft spot for due to my son liking the movie. And, you know, I'm just in a place of I'm just glad he's not watching, like, evil YouTube garbage made by AI. Like, if we can get Zootopia on something, like, rendered nicely and with a song made by a musician i'm happy daddy while it's a well thought out world if you think about the metaphor too hard it starts to fall apart the depth that it prides itself on doesn't actually function uh yeah i think that the i don't i don't mind the song and i I think that the shifting it to country is kind of clever. It's something you wouldn't think would work, and I think it does lend itself decently. It's not, you know, how about this?

To your point, Jason, about like it's songs that you hear elsewhere in the park circuit here. Like, Try Everything doesn't really exist in an American park anywhere. You know what I mean? No, that's not as often heard. I'm glad that it's not. could hear it like yeah try everything doesn't really exist in american park anywhere you know what i mean like not as yeah i don't think this is this i'm glad that it's not i mean when you get you've got a friend of me you get whole new world but this is like a little bit less of an exploited song done in a revamped way as i don't mind it yeah it's a little more um it's it's crazy to say shakira's song is that's who sings it, right? Yeah, yeah. That's more of the beaten path.

But if I'm complimenting it, it does start high energy at the top of the show. So I think that works. Yeah, yeah. I don't mind. I will say I don't mind this. I don't mind the version in a vacuum, but it also, I think,

because it's very like uptempo, modern country sounding right away. I was like, wait, wait, no, wait, what this?

Cause I want everything to sound recorded in a little tin can still on some level, which some of the other arrangements are a little more like that. And some like, cause like, I want everyone's voice to sound like this. And I want like, I want everything to sound a little and i want like i want everything to

sound a little bit more like you're on the porch you can see the calculation and these bears are a good vehicle for modern country music but that's not anything we're interested in i don't think yeah and i like modern country music to some degree but it's like for that to be the first song out with with i'm just saying it set a bad tone, even though I actually in a vacuum like this arrangement. I try everything. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, oh, wait, what?

Oh, it's going to be, because that was my fear. It was like, it was just going to sound like modern stuff. Well, if it got more so from there, that would be the concern. If anything, you get more tin can music. Yes, yes. Yeah, if they immediately were like hitting you with we don't talk about bruno that would have been like oh here we go sure and later in the show you get not let it go from frozen but that's true frozen song fixer upper i forgot that that was a Frozen song. Frozen's one that hasn't made it to my child's viewing habits.

Yeah. And I've never seen the whole movie, and I don't know this song, Fixer Upper. I've seen the movie, and I know most of the songs, but I was like, what is Fixer Upper from? The Little Trolls Singin'. Is that right? The Little Ghoulies. Okay. They're a little scared. The Frozen Ghoulies Okay They're a little scared

The frozen ghoulies Yes of course Yeah Yeah I don't know It's a fine song But I like that it's not Let it go I like that

Yeah I agree You know we got some obvious But some You know And Max sings on Fixer Upper Because he is Shaker He's Shaker

Max plays Shaker Shaker who is also Who is Terrence Terrence is Shaker Yes Terrence is Shaker who is also who is terrence he's a parenthetical i think it's just like the that's his real name and shaker is a nickname because the guitar strap that says shaker is in the lobby display cases okay and he's someone else too who is mac mac oh yeah i don't is he one of the bear rugs. Is he one of the bear rugs? He might be one of the bear rugs. Yeah, I think so.

Probably. Yeah. And he arranged it all. Maybe we didn't say that in terms of his involvement. He doesn't just say it, but he arranged all of it, a lot of it. It seems like a lot of it or all of it. It does sound all copacetic. Yeah.

It all makes sense, which is a uh plus and minus because like uh part of the weirdness was the variety of tones of the songs in the old one yeah and didn't the original big owl saw that was just that was a recording of that wasn't even something they made right blood blood on the text writer yeah yeah um the like the country bear the vacation show and stuff like those those are more modern sounding recordings and they were more varied in its like genre but yeah the original version yeah yeah um and we don't have to go in order necessarily but just like strong feelings about any well as i said the supercalifragilisticexpialidocious part i like a lot yeah there's no singing on it.

It's just a fiddle. It's just Ernest playing the fiddle. You feel like they would have done that before. And by the way, the original show had the Davy Crockett song. It's not like there wasn't stuff like this. I think that Imagineer even pointed out the original plans were to have like Hi-Ho and other Disney songs. Yeah. And that happened.

Like Tiki Room, when you're leaving, they're playing like a Hi-Ho. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The fiddle is also teased in the lobby. There's a burned out fiddle in the despite case. Oh, okay. This is something he does all the time. I like that. I like The Whole New World,

and that is singer, songwriter, and mandolin player Chris Thiele. Yes. The man who replaced Garrison Keillor on a Prairie Owned companion. And that's why Jason knows who it is. Which was canceled. Because he got the only job in show business Jason wants.

I, yes, I applied two or three times to write on that show prairie young companion and then they changed the name at some point and then it was canceled okay okay soon after that but like mark walberg talking about blaine's on that faithful day oh you could have saved it wouldn't have gone down that way if I had been there. This is fascinating. Have we said this on the show that you replied to write for Primal? Yes, I wrote sketches. They were just looking for like samples, like radio sketch samples.

Yes. Okay, so we need five long-winded stories. We need like three folksy anecdotes. Right. If you have anything about uh pond deals or sandys that'd be helpful we've been looking for sandys material i i oh man did i i might have put pond deals in one this you gotta find that packet i wrote a lot of fake commercials i gotta i also think you should just do like do youririe Home Companion and call it Prairie Home Companion. Just blatantly steal the whole premise.

Yeah, yeah. But you could just update. You could just take a format. No updating. No updating. No, same. Oh, no, but I'm saying just do it, but as a podcast now. And then it'll be unrecognizable in our little right scene of podcasts because nobody

listens to that i think what you're saying makes a lot of sense and i think what i was pitching at the time at least was uh inviting a lawsuit by doing the exact same show that garrison killer had been doing only jason was hosting it so yeah what you're saying is correct, but what's he gonna do? Yeah, let's bring him on. He's on the ropes. Yeah. He didn't die,

did he? No, he's still alive. But I did like this. Now, he kind of sings like in a very particular way that scene.

Yes, that's what I like. He sings in like a character and they recorded his mandolin play. He is a very talented instrumentalist. Yeah, mandolin play. He is very talented instrumentally. Yeah, this is him. This is like musician and voice, and he didn't,

even though he is somebody who does more like modern country music a little bit, he still did it in like a garsh kind of voice. Yes. I've seen him in Largo a bunch of times. He'd pop into those John Bryan sets. He's fantastic on those. Very talented. Nickel Creek he was in, Punch Brothers.

I'm no expert in a lot of that, but yeah. Look up, there's a song, I Was Happy With You, the John Bryan song. Mike and I both have seen John Bryan a lot,

the film composer at Largo. He's an incredible songwriter also, and he did all of these songs at all of these shows that never came out in any form. And some of them, I think, are like some of the best songs I've ever heard. And there's one of him and Chris Thiele doing

I Was Happy With You, and it's great. So if you want more of this, which character does he do? He's Wendell. If you want to see Wendell in real life doing a non-Disney song. That's very good. Yeah. And this is kind of a showstopper set-wise.

Great set. And I think a fun use of the swing, of Swingin' Teddy Barra's swing, and contextualizing it with flying. And you get a little smoke machine situation. I think this is a I, and you know, when you get a little like smoke machine situation, I think this is a good for it, for it being here's the country bears doing a song that's extremely overexposed. Yeah. I think it's a pretty successful little number.

Yeah. Yes. I, I, uh, I'm, I don't think the lines after like the come up, she does say come up and see me sometime.

But then the jokes aren't as good as like when I find a ladder, I'll be right up. I think it's a great joke. But the heads say, one of the heads says, I'm scared of heights. And the other says, I'm scared of swings. I'm like, eh. There are a couple lines that I'm not so fond of. And by the way, we're watching videos of D23 preview where it's killing, where some of it's killing. So you know if the jokes aren't landing there, we're in rough shape.

Yeah. But also, Jason, I feel like you're analyzing a come up and see me sometime also. Well, right. That's one of the great references of all time. Yes. Well, similarly, I think the joke of a couple of the Big Al moments don't quite work for me. I think I am a fan.

I'm surprised how much I'm realizing that I like it. I think, okay, it kills with this audience who there's probably a lot of anticipation, and it's not going to work like this everywhere where people are not in every showing where people are not like coming in as big fans of big al however shows him going for a little bit who's the who's the main character we're excited for who we haven't seen and then you hear a pretty reminiscent of the old version out of key dwang and huge response to that like he's here it's like the jaws music like preceding the character all right and then and then a lot of anticipation of

what's the song gonna be and then it's remember me one of the saddest songs in the disney or pixar canon and it's it is funny maybe it requires like you're saying mike maybe it requires the context of uh oh i know this is a very sad character and that he's singing the very sad song it might be getting a laugh that's like the a weird laugh you know what i mean that requires context but i have the context and i liked it i think that works i think al is more of a professional like i don't think i don't think he should be breaking down crying like i get it's a sad song i think that it's remember me the part that doesn't work for me when is when he comes back and he starts doing it again they try to do that bit from the old show he does it after the number is done he does it

when the curtain the sunbounded trio's levering the curtains closing and it's really not that big of it like henry comments on it but it's like oh he should have done that in the middle of this well but that's not the bit so the bit of the old show one of the bits of the old show was that the show was like going off the rails a little bit. Yes. Or that Henry would be embarrassed because the mama don't whoop little Buford. So he's like, whoa, we only have high class stuff. And he's nervous or whatever.

And then Big Al comes out with this song that's like blood, like a really violent song. And they're like, we want that off stage. So now, and then he comes back later to try to interrupt the show but now it's just that big al is sad and the show has actually gone pretty well up until that point i see so it is a little different being a bummer just bumming us out with the yeah so it's a song right so he and he's too sad to even sing it so before big al was more like kind of this like goofy big bear who's a little clueless to what he's singing. And now it's that Big Al is depressed.

So they've actually given Big Al a different sort of character game in this version. That's a good point. Big Al, though, is funny. We were watching this last night. My daughter didn't seem to care about some of it. Again, this is video. So she's, you know, playing with toys. She saw Big Al.

She goes, Big Bear. Okay. toys. She saw Big Al. She goes, big bear. Okay. Big. She kept saying, big bear. Big bear. Like pointing at him, running up to the TV. Big bear. I go, well, that's the design of Big Al.

Yeah, the visual jokes. They retained that. Yes. You got that. Does it matter that he's no longer doing blood in the saddle well once you hear that any gripe that i have ultimately if kids love it and people like this version and maybe it's more filled up then i'm wrong like i can i'm i might be wrong i'm more of like i will i will say that my tastes are not the tastes of the average theme

park goer yeah so i'm not happy to be wrong but i'm accepting of being wrong if kids like this version better which they probably do they probably i don't think the old version i think kids would like the old version because they would see the funny robots and the songs you can clap along. But now that they know the songs, is it going to be more fun for them? Probably. And I'll say there's thought, but I like Henry and the raccoon, whose name I'm just blanking on. I had to flick it up. Sammy.

Sammy. I like that they do You've Got a Friend of Me. That's cute. And I like that the big closing number is Bear Necessities. Like, oh, that's the obvious. I feel like Bear, Bear, you know, that's maybe the obvious song, but they save it to the end. It's fun to see everyone sing it.

And then they do Come Again, which is original and from other versions of the show. Right. And I like that. I like that they have a song when you're going out. I feel like as we sit with it, because I think like, yeah, we kind of hadn't gotten into it. And the other night we were all like, we all had kind of a bug up our butt about it. But when you actually sit with it and watch it, you're like, what did we lose here? And I didn't want to be in the i was also starting to go like okay what

were these old things that we liked i did like all the guys that turned me on turned me down and that they got big laughs out of that and those laughs are gone now i mean people are laughing just that that it's weird that it's there but then i'm like what else went away and like oh yeah mama don't whip little buford like i don't i think we'd be on the wrong side of history to be saying they took away. Well, right. I don't want to be those cranks going, they took the song of that whooping away. And I don't feel that way. Even taking away the guys that turned me on song, I'm not saying that's wrong to take away.

It should have been replaced by something equal. If it needs to be softer in its weirdness, I understand that. Yes. I think they, okay, if we had to note anything here, I think it's that the Sun Bonnet Trio needs to sing a weird song still. There's got to be something in the canon. That would raise the stock in my mind a lot, yes. But I think, yeah, like just stuff like the smoking fiddle

and things where i was like i'm looking for a few more little joke things in the actual show or it doesn't have to be weird it just has to be like little joke things versus sort of just going haywire is i think as you say that i think that's something that's missing yeah i think it's a little the show goes a little too cleanly. Yes. This is like the Muppet Show. It's supposed to have little disasters in it. Also, I wonder, was rewriting lyrics on the table?

Because I think you could have gotten a lot in there that would have been fun if you could have played with the lyrics a little bit. Sure. And that seems more interesting if i was writing this show be like could i like rewrite gaston or something with one of the characters oh yeah and the same melody and some of the same lyrics but it's about uh romeo mcgrawl or whatever um there are other stuff in like the vacation show uh what's the number with the octopus in it there's stuff like that even that i feel like could have been in here too. Yes.

Which is like one of the bears is singing a love song to an octopus. And it's like, yeah, that was such a little, funny, simple thing you could have done with one of the Disney songs playing. And now you've given it a context of he's having this love affair with an octopus or something silly. I just thought just you know i needed to conjure some uh i didn't have these ideas at the ready and i just googled the phrase the horniest disney songs yeah and uh you know i think we got a great option here at number well

number one just if you're curious they put gaston uh so you were right there number two Hellfire from Hunchback of Notre Dame the song of longing for Esmeralda yeah yeah Hunchback I mean we had Jane on and talked about that live show but re-watching that movie I was like I didn't remember this at all like it is a great movie and it is

so dark and strange and like to have the goofy gargoyles in the same movie as the, like... Hey, go get them, pal! The priest. I will burn! I will burn! I mean, that would have been hilarious.

Or she will burn for you, he's going to burn. But, yeah, you know, there's got to be a version of Hellfire with Son Bonatrio, right? There is a bear who is so off limits to them that is so or different maybe it's a member of a different species it's a hunky skunk henry who has control over you know the the the backstory is that henry like yay or nay is who everybody dates he is kind of controlling and not a good way maybe he's kind of the garrison keeler of the he reruns kind of a toxic ship sure yeah maybe like teddy bar has moved on from henry though although she's singing a duet and then the heads on the wall are commenting yeah there's not the

connection there really i i guess you know it's just doesn't want to settle down, you know? And that's not for people. Some people want to play the field. Maybe she's doing a Fleetwood Mac kind of thing, you know? Maybe, yeah. It's all crazy, and it just feeds into the music. Then I want darker songs. We need heavier songs to do as Henry and Trixie stare at each other, or Trey Waiter, or Teddy Barra I guess

yeah like all of that tension a la Stevie and Lindsay has to be clear yeah here's one that they've used they used it in Harmonious and then we watched the this is so specific the Bastille Day fireworks

Disneyland Paris so they go all out for that. They're shooting off so many fireworks. It is like even more than 4th of July here in America. But they use a bunch of Hunchback stuff. And I feel like they use Out There pretty well in both those shows. So that could be one. I feel like that'd be fun to have someone sing Teddy Bar on the swing

or the Sun Bonnet Trio pining for something out there. Well, I think that if Henry has outlawed, my bears are not allowed to date big, hunky skunks. Yeah. And that is what, and it is the sun bonnets pining for yeah the sexiest skunk who is already sort of like priest habit in in color you just you flip it he's the man of faith we you take it the other way but them all singing about how they're gonna burn and then a skunk's face in flame.

This is a great question. Who do we think of the bears as the most religious? Wendell. Very good question. Do we think it's Wendell? We're the fiddle player. He channels God's power to smoke that fiddle. Big Al kind of carries the most weight with him.

I feel like I met a lot of sad Catholics who carry the guilt and carry the weight of the world, and maybe that's the context of Big Al. He doesn't allow himself joy due to all of the self-imposed rules. That might be my guess, but I don't know. That's another sound off in the comments. Sound off in the comments.

Who do you think is the most faithful of all these bears? And who do you think is an atheist? I like that Be Prepared is number seven on this horny list of Disney songs. Yeah, Be Prepared, why? I don't know. He's horny for power. I think they were just running,

they couldn't do 10. They couldn't find 10 that you could really classify as horny. Yeah, yeah. You found the same article. Can You feel the love tonight's also there um oh that would have been great that's pretty clean yeah that would have been yeah that is they just they it's you know it also doesn't have to be so we don't have to get we don't have to say weird phrases we don't even have to like imply anything too odd you just i like the idea of all of them being like miss piggies

sort of like uh shoving a more diminutive character into their grip yeah a la kermit sure just like if the slideshow shows you that each sun bonnet has a different uh kind of like nervous boyfriend yeah and they are much more aggressive that's funny i think i think we're having fun with that uh-huh how about sooner or later you're gonna be mine from dick tracy oh great this song that madonna sing i mean if they did this we'd be giving it a bad losing my mind the rest of the show could be worse and be like well at least the fucking dick tracy songs in here that's wild oh yeah like i like disney just did disney just buy queens cattle like fully by queens i thought a lot other way i

thought it was that they i was thinking about this i think they maybe let sony oh sony got it i think maybe oh they gave it away to sony okay this is a major deal yeah yeah this is a that's what it was billion dollar deal more wow but yeah any any songs like pop regular rock or pop songs that they could have thrown in here too what's the horniest queen song oh my goodness fat bottom bears yeah probably i don't think that's going oh well i'd love to see the sun bonnet tree i was saying don't stop me now oh my god that that and maybe in some ways i'm really just like looking for some more little surprises that's really what i want like it doesn't have to be that everyone is sad and

horny but like being surprised by don't stop me now a country version of queen i've been like well that's unexpected that's weird like just finding different oddities different ways to make things interesting or odd or funny well this is what we were talking about it in this argument of this the feeling that disney stuff is kind of inherently like sanded off at the edges and i feel like as i thought about it more and as we talked about it more it doesn't feel so like the losses don't feel huge to me but it feels like like on club three i was complaining about the beach boys frank marshall documentary and how it's almost like a thing that's like and then and and they like very disney they lived happily ever after oh by the way two of them died and don't worry about that and brian and mental struggles

enough that there was a full movie made about it and but don't and the struggles continue to this day okay don't worry about it uh and that is that is a kind of a i think i think disney disney's modern stuff is definitely i not to say it was ever edgier but boy is it not now and if they i don't need them to sing songs about whooping and being turned on but i but like a five percent more weird it's not about dirty inappropriate and right i agree it's about weird i think so that's where i think i align with you it doesn't take much i think this is pretty successful. In this list, he's a tramp or a girl worth fighting for.

I mean, these are probably good to you for the great mouth detective. The decisions of songs were based on what people know. Yes.

The famous ones that are 25, 30 years old and then the newer things they could pick from. New stuff that'll probably have sequels. Yeah. I will say The newest ones that are 25, 30 years old, and then the newer things they could pick from new stuff that'll probably have sequels. Yeah, I will say this all could have gone a lot worse.

Like the more unfortunate, like in this land choice of like we're closing the shooting gallery to build a vacation club lounge. That sucks. Like that's weird. There was rumor for years that they were going to put like a toy story marionette show in here which at least would have been a trick that might have been a planted rumor to find leakers yeah or see if people like it i think

some people have claimed though that there were at least plans for it well there's that one rumor that leaked also that it was going to be kind of more remodeled on that very successful book that was made into a film and that it was going to be turned into Bearbilly Elegy. And I think that's really smart that they didn't go. I think now that would be an incredibly divisive show. If we could have gotten Glenn Close as Meemaw Bear in there, you know, it could have been something. Meemaw Bear would have been good. That might have transcended the, she's doing attractions. She might have done Meemaw Bear.

The nice thing, the nice thing is, is that the bears are refreshed. They look good. Yeah. This is not going away anytime soon. And there's a possibility for new shows. Holiday, yes. I have not seen anyone say it. But it could happen.

But it's possible. They're more set up for it to happen now. Yes, because everything is refreshed and it's going to at least last for 10, 15 years. Yeah. If not longer. If they try to change the bears a little, there is not a chance of workers getting blasted with hydraulic fluid by taking a jacket off. Like taking that tag off of the clothes at a Kohl's that hits you with the ink if you try to steal a shirt, an expensive shirt.

Workers will not be blinded by out-of-date old fluid. Right. So that's possible that they could do new stuff, and I think the potential is there. Um, but yeah, yeah. I think chances are there will, the weirdness will never come back.

The weirdness can never come back in any part of the Disney company, I guess in a way. Yeah. Cause like that's, if there's any, you know, Jason, I like a lot of marvel stuff marvel movies

but it does feel like it's in a bot there's a certain box you got to play and obviously nobby deadpool's gonna blow this box wide open with this r rating cusses i am looking forward to it i will say that but there feels very much like you got to stay in your lane and rides feel that way and movies and tv and stuff feel that way and i just i lament the lack of weirdness more than anything but it's good that they're it's good they're around the big bear still big bear like big bear is still there and the big bear is funny yeah yes but yeah i mean if shouldn't we be taking cues from deadpool and if that's part of the company now, and that's pointing the direction,

then should not some characters in this new Country Bears show do a song about pegging? Yeah, that's an important, apparently a big character trait. Now, I need to get caught up on Deadpool because I'm more behind on that than Breaking Bad. So I got to watch those two movies fast so I can see the third.

Jason has a legal pad at home and it says get caught up on one deadpool 2 pegging to get prepared for this new movie well he just wants to read up to make sure he's caught up uh either you're gonna put deadpool on the ride um but wouldn't it be funny if they made if the ride open it was like way worse and we're more aggressive and dirty? And you're like, what? How'd they get away with this? And then Deadpool showed up and you go, oh, I get it.

Oh, yeah. Deadpool's here. Jimmy Chong goes, got it. Henry pulls his mask off and you realize who it's been the whole time. How is Deadpool going to be? He's going to be in the parks. There's no way. Deadpool, and this is all speculation, but Deadpool is going to be in the parks. There's no way. Deadpool, and this is all speculation,

but Deadpool is going to be in another 10 movies when all is said and done. He should walk around Avengers Campus and roast it. I'm sure Deadpool will be a walk-around character soon, or maybe next week or two weeks from now. But Deadpool ride, I bet, is going to shoot up to the priority list. And I wonder how that will look in a Disney park

huh how long did you wait idiots what that's what he says oh how long did you wait an hour or two morons I like that Deadpool impression how long did you wait idiots I don't know what he sounds like I haven't watched them

he sounds like everybody who's been in any commercial in the last 20 years. Just kind of like a fast talking attitude guy. So he sounds like. Yeah, genius. The two of us. Oh, yeah. No, no, not those commercial actors. He's talking about a different type.

Yeah, guys who kind of like shake their head around more. Yeah. He's, yeah. But what does, maybe this is a future episode we imagine what the deadpool ride will be you know because we're thinking we're gonna we're gonna fix tomorrowland soon we're all gonna do have different assignments jason of course has budget tomorrowland i have reasonable moderate size budget 2024 disney uh tomorrowland and scott has Blue Sky unlimited sort of budget and imagination Tomorrowland

but maybe in the future we do this with Deadpool. We each get different assignments and figure out what kind of a ride Deadpool will have in the future. I really don't know enough about Deadpool to begin to do it now. Again, I'll have to catch up

as much as Jason does. All I know is from what we've just been talking about about him, I think I have a good idea of how the Deadpool ride could secure you in place. Very true. All right, I'm calling it. You survived Podcast The Ride.

On that note, do let us know other series you want, other things we can return to a la Contributor Jamber Week. For three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast The Ride, the second gate, or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier at Club 3. You'll find all of that at patreon.com slash podcasttheride. There's nothing we don't have to say more. Chimichangas is what Deadpool would say. I guess that's because it's kind of a non sequitur. This is all I know.

When he's come up on the show, the word chimichanga has then immediately been said. And now that I know pegging is part of it. And that's, I don't know, that's my Deadpool word association. We could, we could add context to that and say that there was a article that came out that Kevin Feige had to explain because Deadpool references pegginggging the sexual act and kevin feige in case you're wondering why in the world is the last 10 minutes of this been about pegging kevin feige had to explain to co-workers which really sounds like an hr nightmare yeah boss explain a sexual thing to you um but anyway so uh deadpool week coming soon you know what sounds You know what sounds like a much bigger nightmare

are three dorky hosts of a podcast explaining who are relative at low levels of sexual comfort explaining what pegging is to you. Oh, God. That sounds like the biggest nightmare of all. No, thanks. Can we get a hold of Deadpool co-creators Fabian Nisi and the Rob Liefeld

and Joe Kelly, you added the funny stuff. Can we get a hold of Deadpool co-creators, Fabian Nisi and the Rob Liefeld, and Joe Kelly, you added the funny stuff. Which of them, what do they think about all the pegging discourse around Deadpool? Is it just in the movies, or was it in the comics at some point? Jason, I don't know the answer to that question. I don't know when this entered the Deadpool. Gotta boot up the Marvel Unlimited app,

and I'll try to get to the bottom of this. That's your assignment. Put that on the number three as you find out the history of Deadpool and pegging. Okay. Forever Dog This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced

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