Podcast: The Ride - Cranium Command

Episode Date: January 11, 2019

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FOREVER! DOG! to justify. Buzzy, if you're listening, don't give up hope. You will be found as a result of this episode about Cranium Command on Podcast The Ride, the show hosted by three men who are piloted by three much smaller men, but have the same voices as the regular-sized men. I'm Jason Sheridan, joined as always by Scott Geradur. As opposed to the Buzzy scenario. No, the Buzzy scenario is the same. Is Buzzy his voice?

The child's voice and Buzzy's voice is the same actor. Okay, that is a question I had. And yes, so yes, it is the same. And the little Scott sounds like this. Hello. This is Mike Carlson. I'm confused though,

because isn't Buzzy like almost a temporary, he's just on the job for the first time in the ride, Cranium Command, which is what we're talking about today? In theory, yeah. I never put that together or had forgotten that the child's voice and Buzzy's voice are one and the same. We're right. I figure we get into this deep into the thing.

But yeah, I'll go straight to it. Why? Okay. If he's a new recruit right and presumably this 12 year old boy existed before he was being piloted by a little guy in his head what did he sound like before right is it is it that like if you're changing out little guys in your head that voices would constantly be changing it would count you would constantly have a new voice if like your little guy was fired or the maybe this is the reissue

in puberty maybe that's what oh yeah when your voice is changing and cracking it's because your guy is sliding in and out he's been fired but it would only really work like isn't it possible that a seven-year-old boy would have a really gruff voice and then suddenly get higher yeah Yeah, of course it is. I mean, this system, this ride makes no sense. It's almost like they had less than six months to turn it around. Sure. Save it from massive plot holes.

In case we're diving too deep into the deep end, today we're talking about Cranium Command, which was a show at Epcot Center where you go inside the head of a 12-year-old and meet all of the tiny people who pilot the 12 year old uh and but why this ride well you the listener very well might buy popular demand yeah i i don't think anything has been sent to us more absolutely than this uh yeah so many people tweeted this at us and it was a genuine twitter thing i feel like at least as far as I can tell. I'm pretty theme park-centric in my Twitter feed, but there was a lot of hashtag find Buzzy,

because the little guy, the pilot, the single audio animatronic in the ride, Buzzy, apparently was never removed from the ride, though you haven't been able to go on it in a decade, and now it is missing. It is missing it is missing now and apparently his clothes were taken back in august and the animatronic was taken in december that's how it played out that's that's the update i saw and i think they they did or they arrested someone and oh yeah i saw a name i don't have it handy, but the person has been named. But not charged. Wait, so go back. So you're saying that Buzzy's clothes were removed by Walt Disney Company or somebody snuck in and just stole the little boy's clothes? Somebody stole the little boy's clothes.

Because the breaking news at the end of December was that the Buzzy animatronic is gone. And then a lot of the websites I saw posted updates where it's like he's gone but his clothes were taken back in august and there's a police report on file you can find because uh so and someone has yeah like i said someone was questioned and arrested i think they were arrested for uh non-violently resisting arrest because they were refusing to turn their phone over. So, you know, speculate on that. That's full of photos of a fake naked boy. There had to have been like a cop show investigation

where there's a room and there's a good cop and a bad cop. It's like, what do you know about that little robot boy's clothes and then like don't make me bring in my buddy here because i'm the nice one or whatever and then like he's like you guy spits at the cop or something so i don't know nothing about that little naked robot boy and they're actually doing that the room is just the uh the wonders of life pavilion and but they're under like a caricature of a wine glass smiling or whatever. And it's Disney security. Right. I mean, it's

ex-Blackwater guys, but they work for Disney. Right. They're pinning the guy under a big making of me sign that fell off the Wonders of Life Pavilion. You know what? Also, there was just a big article in the new york times about a podcast getting turned into tv series dirty john just uh just happened

and was a bravo a little mini series among others i think this is our shot so we got to make it count today because like three guys gabbing is not gonna ever be a tv right show or at least not a fictionalized one but the a true crime that's your shot so i think we need to make what you're that scene you just described yes in the show but until but we can't until there's an ending i don't think we can actually go pitch this but i think absolutely free buzzy is our shot at at a television show it's a great idea there's a lot of ways to do it too because we could also just do the tom arnold trump version of it where we just try to make a documentary we try to find lazy a very lazy thing

we like lie a lot on tv but maybe they we don't think they're lies because we've done a lot of cocaine in our lives. That to me feels like that was the next generation of where in the world is Osama Bin Laden? Remember that? Oh, the Morgan Spurlock, yes. The Morgan Spurlock tried to find America's most wanted, you know? And it's a lot of us just stopping, freezing the footage and going, so what happened? We got to get our voices like up to that register this is good we're gonna get eight episodes out of this and then if god

willing another animatronic is stolen we get a season two sure and then maybe we are the ones who orchestrated that maybe like we made jason go steal who knows i mean there's a lot to talk about just with the theft we could do all of a sudden the theft because what other robots are just hanging around is also my question that we could get like why would that not be the first thing that you protect take out it's oddly i mean our previous experience of this was botanicus just sitting outside of the parking garage but they at least didn't well i guess they replaced it with another ride and that's why it moved right but in this in the case if you don't know the whole story this is we're talking about the wonders of life pavilion which

is at epcot center but you cannot go into it and they only open it up for the food and wine festival so apparently it's just been sitting there but if you and there's a lot of like abandoned type videos and urban exploring where your favorite thing mike where people go back man oh my god i can't believe i'm in here i can't believe that my favorite uh modern uh male male fashion style the tactical dipshit a lot of straps awful sunglasses, very weird backpacks with way too many pockets. But certainly not a weapon or anything. They aren't actually prepared for a fight. Yeah, right. Yeah, so this thing's just been sitting there.

And if you watch, like you can learn about what happened to Body Wars, which is the other main attraction in Wonders of Life, which was kind of a Star Tours, I'll say, ripoff attraction that was like the same layout, had flight simulators. The flight simulators have been gone for a very long time. So they took the time to take out these massive hydraulic structures, but the robot was just sitting there and losing his clothes. Yeah, and they have, like, going going to d23 they have exhibits of old

robots exactly archives they have plenty of room somewhere it's crazy that they wouldn't take the hero of a pretty prominent ride and put him somewhere else somewhere like hanging off of a of a big arm which is where he sits and that's where he pilots from in the show. So he's just dangling off this thing. He could have fallen easily. He could have fallen. Maybe that's how they got him, actually. Well, and they just left it as it was for years.

It quickly became not possible to restart it without major maintenance work, because you can't just leave hydraulics without servicing them. Yeah. So a lot of theme park twitter was upset about that i'm not that i'm not upset about it but they were very much like you know we would never like everyone was very much like you shouldn't steal from a ride it's not his person's property i'm assuming it's a man i don't know why is that it's got to be a man right who stole who stole the thing i believe so i would guess it seems like yeah uh uh so my first thought was like well serves disney right for not locking it down like you should have i think i said on the episode you should have stolen botanicus he was rotting they weren't doing anything yeah he was garbage he's a part of theme park history

if disney's gonna let buzzy rot let some backpack weirdo go in there and steal him and just teach them a lesson i gotta say that shouldn't happen again i i this is just me speaking but as a kid i loved the wonders of life pavilion and i was so sad to see them just let it go to seed like even the last few times my family went, and when I was finishing high school or in college in the summers, I feel like it was so sporadically open. I feel like they just treated it like shit. But I loved both attractions in there,

especially today's attraction. I loved Cranium Command. And I loved the building. I thought the building was really cool. And it's crazy that they that there is a whole empty pavilion in a park that like could use some TLC that they are like cognizant of like we need to update this a little well and right next to that weird that restaurant that just rots the Odyssey yes like how could there be so much of a major theme park that is

just unattended and apparently sneak in a bowl because there's also there's a ton of videos of people somehow wandering it and they just i don't think it's even like some stealth ethan hunt thing i think they open the door yes and are in so they didn't bother to lock the door to one of the pavilion one of seven pavilions or whatever. I might be wrong about the number. Don't yell at us. But it's not that many. How could you lose track of...

How do you not lock the door of one of the only things in your decaying theme park? It also speaks to the lack of security in general, which also scares me a little bit. In my mind and people have said this they have you know 70 plainclothes officers walking around the theme parks and they're ready to spring at a moment's notice when something goes wrong and you're like oh that's good that's reassuring meanwhile a robot was stolen a prominent robot this isn't just a little star of the show the star robot was stolen and no one knew no one noticed it there were no cameras on they don't have cameras in there it's crazy world where

our friends the crafts uh you know made millions of dollars selling like every little you know the lid of a trash can from disneyland that goes for thirty thousand dollars how does a robot how do they not know the value why does disney not want to make the potential hundreds of thousands of dollars by selling buzzy even if they aren't going to use yeah i regret not stealing the robot myself i regret when i was there for maybe like not the last trip but the trip before september when lindsey was i wish we should have gone in and stolen it but were you cognizant that he was there no did you know he was i didn't know that's really the news of all of this that is the big news yeah was left

there and and you're like you're a good boy also you follow the rules especially at a disney park of course i would never but to teach lesson, sometimes you must break the rules. That is what I believe. It's only just. And also, as I said, I don't think it would have been that hard for you to do. I think it would have taken you 30 seconds

and you would have been back in line for test track. It's easier doing that than sneaking into a Comic-Con party at the Hard Rock Hotel, which I've tried to do before as well. The most secure place in California one time a year

yes we've jason and i have been there we've snuck into plenty of parties on hard rock when impossible i think this buzzy theft would have been the easiest thing in the world no false identities required i think you could have held it in your hands and walked out with it i think you just walked it like held it up like simba and walked out the exit of epcot as long as you selfies and they're like, oh, it's a person who brought a doll to take pictures with. Yeah, sure, whatever. They thought you were changing his diaper. Thought it was a baby. Yeah, okay, so there's a naked Buzzy.

You have a diaper. Put the diaper on Buzzy. Put it in a baby carriage and wheel it out. You put your tactical dipshit sunglasses on it. I thought this was a changing station a giant domed uh changing station should i replace like um buzzy with like indiana jones style with a different doll like i'm like a my buddy doll or like that's uh what's it bring an actual child a child he'll make his way out of there someday. Yeah. But that being said, they will never notice the child.

So the child will die probably because no one ever goes in there or has any cameras. Anything. There could be like a weird race of people live like some scavenger race living in the in Wonders of Life. Wow. What else is what else is still there? Like, let's think about this. What else is still those bikes that you

pilot around like that uh i just remember a lot of like uh what's the actual the recumbent bikes yeah that you could go through the parks you could ride through a video of disneyland and i'm in disney world watching a fake video i'm pretending i'm back at home in Disneyland. Yeah, I loved all that shit. Yeah, yeah. But are there any other things still standing that have robots? Like, are there any, like, because like River Country famously, but they don't have animatronics, but River Country is still kind of standing.

Although they're going to do it soon. It's an abandoned area with a robot as well. That's what I'm trying to think of. Wait a minute. If Buzzy was there, is Hypothalamus still there? The robot, the other robot character. I think it's a very good chance Hypothalamus is still there. Nobody wants him.

He's just on a pole. Nobody wants Hypothalamus. No one likes Hypothalamus. I think you could take a Louisville Slugger to that pole. I think you could break that pole in half and get out of there with the top half of the hypothalamus. I mean, right now, I think they probably have the security locked down. Well, right now. I'm just saying.

But before this. I think hypothalamus. Yeah. I think for sure hypothalamus is still there. I think you could get on that land boat ride and just pick up like a guy on a rocking chair and walk out with it and no one would care you can get back on the boat oh yeah the rocking chair guy everyone on the boat is asleep so that nobody notices could you get one of the alligator one of the baby alligators can you stop the ride

for a sec i'm gonna grab this yeah yep sure yeah no problem uh horizons was demolished so none of that is still there. I can't. This is a good question. I'm having trouble thinking of anywhere. I don't think so. It would have a robot. It's a unique situation. Right.

And Disneyland and California Adventure, I don't think, have anything. The real estate is so limited. Knott's Berry Farm let Kingdom of the Dinosaurs sit for a long time. So it's possible that you could have broken in there and stolen a dinosaur. But you know what? Buzzy is perfect for it because he's small. There's no way I'm getting out with Botanicus.

There's no way you're getting out with a full dinosaur. With a full dinosaur. But could you have gotten out with just Botanicus' leaf clothes? Oh, maybe. Oh, if I could have taken the staff. Well, the staff is, yeah. Just replace it with like a tiki torch. Alt-right.

Oh, new merch. Alt-right botanicus. Alt-righticus. Whoever buys that one, we are giving to your band. We're giving your name to the government.

To the watch list. Yeah. He's using his crystal ball to imagine a world that's cleansed. Yeah, at the very least, having the Southern Poverty Law Center put you on blast. It's a shame that you can't have a tiki torch now because they sullied the good use of tiki torches. Well, I think you can have one in a backyard, but I't think you can hold what all right no more holding them yeah because the tropical hideaway at disneyland right uh yeah a presumable i haven't been there presumably it has tiki torches but if we all went and picked up the torches and all went like oh that's when you see

that photo of all of the alt-right guys i I imagine they're all screaming like Howard Dean screams. 70 of them at once. So hands off the torches and it's fine. That's fine. Well, I guess at this point we go backwards and figure out how we got to this point, how we got to this ride in general. How did we get to this? I mean, like I said, I loved this ride yeah in general we get to this i mean like i said i loved this ride as a kid i like i loved creating a command i loved the wanders of life pavilion i feel like it's another

thing where it's like you are you are leaving money on the table by not having more throwback merch for that like letting this go to seed it reminds me of uh i know i've talked about this on the show like marvel just letting the x-men kind of languish for many years in the comp because they were so, they're like, well, we have to publish the comics because they do make money. Well, they wanted to kill it because Fox owned the movie rights. But there were so many kids, like when we were, people our age, there were so many kids who grew up loving the X-Men so much.

It's like you were just leaving money on the table. Same thing. They did do Buzzy and General Knowledge Vinylmations about four or five years ago. But very little. There's no merchandise for all of the parts of the body. There's no Halloween costumes for right brain. You got to make your own. Well, they probably have to pay rights for Hans and Franz.

Yeah, but they're generic Hans and Franz. Yeah, that's the thing. You have to use the catchphrases of Hans and Franz. Hans and Franz wear gray sweats. These got left and right ventricle have big muscly arms. So they are different. This is getting ahead of ourselves. But did Lorne have to sign off on the use of them or did he know even i can only imagine because i think he has to sign off on

anybody doing anything right because there's that probably love it's doing it right there's that famous david spade story of him trying to like wanting to do like a million dollar commercial for the super bowl while he was on the show and lauren said no oh no that's the old days too because now i think lauren would love it yeah but spade has a story snl cast member is in constant commercials yes yeah that's the dream now right but back in the day he didn't like that yeah he prevented him from doing it huh but then i love the idea of somebody coming lauren looking lauren there's a disney world ride and they want to use Dana and Kevin and Hans.

Well, Epcot's in a place where they need to appeal to the kids. It's kind of got a World's Fair vibe. It's edutainment. I know all about the edutainment. We're doing that Bradbury thing. You've got to find out if he ever knew about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hope he doesn't find out about those impressions

or we're screwed. That's true. But yeah, I think the fondness for this thing does come from, it was kind of the first Disney World, or the first Epcot thing, rather, pretty specifically for kids.

Yeah. Like, everything was pretty unfriendly and grown up and super educational. This thing's educational as well, but with these actors, with Carvey and, you know, with Charles Grodin, now we're getting into what the kid's like.

I mean, my guy. What year does this open again? I love Grodin. 89. 89, yeah. So it's like pre-Beethoven, Grodin. Yeah. Yeah.

What would a kid have known him from at that point? Pre-Clifford Grodin. Right. Maybe mid-Clifford. I think Clifford took years to shoot and just sat on the shelf for a long time. Yeah. They shot Clifford in like four, yeah. How many years later?

Oh, my God. It was crazy And then with another Epcot man Martin Short Oh that's right Just down the way The Clifford cast was owning the part No Mary Steenburgen Well Mary Steenburgen I think attended

The opening of The Back to the Future ride But is not featured therein And that's how the cast of Clifford fits into the theme park universe. You wanted to know. It's something else. That is like cabin boy level

oddball movie. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how often today also that you're seeing somebody play wildly not their type. Oh, with a 40-year-old man playing a child a child yeah yeah uh which sort of would things like that would happen more often back then i feel i guess i guess the um is uh in little man the wayans brothers movie is marlon wayans a a short person playing a baby what is the plot of

little man what is the plot of little man all i've ever seen is the clip of him like we're like a woman he puts his like little baby head to a woman's bosom and he likes it and that's all i know and i was like i think he's like an older person movie should have been a vine it should have been that scene the end right it might be maybe you got to the theater and there's just a title card that says that was it you saw it don't tell anybody there's no movie here all right with this booze for you in the back your secret save with me your secret save with me little man uh let's see the plot is calvin babyface sims who is a very short convict. Okay, so he's a very short man who pretends to be a baby.

So he's literally a little man. He's a little man, and he pretends to be. Yeah, okay. So that's as close to Clifford Syndrome as you're getting today. Let's bring back this genre. Let's get more man babies in our films. So, yeah, we were saying, so this attraction opened in 89, the pavilion opened in 89,

a little after the actual opening of Epcot. It was in the original plans, there was a, doesn't this sound thrilling, a health and life pavilion. Doesn't that sound exciting? Yeah, I'm glad they jazzed up the name. They did a good job with that.

And the things in it sounded fairly dry. Oh, like a show called Head Trip that would share space with a dentistry-themed show called Tooth Follies? Oh, the Tooth Follies. I wish Tooth Follies existed so bad. Because Tooth Follies, it seems fake. It seems like there's no way they would ever make a thing called tooth follies. How would they all be different from each other? The teeth, you mean?

Yeah. Assuming that it is teeth coming to life. It would have to be teeth coming to life. Yeah, let's think on that. We got molars. We got baby teeth. Got canine. Got those front boys.

Maybe like a fang comes in. Did you call them front boys? Those front boys? Those two front boys? Call your did you call them boys those front boys those two front boys call your two front teeth front boys okay boys uh well and for sure it would have the food rocks situation of the the rotten uh oh yeah bad guys who like and like who like sucked up sugar and like didn't want to be rejected the brush. Say no to brushes. And they try to poison the whole thing.

Dave Thomas is the bad tooth or something. I'm trying to think of other SCTV level stars of the time. We were just watching clips over the break of Follow That Bird and it's Dave Thomas is the bad guy and Joe Flaherty.

Hey, I'll put this on the Scott is scared list. Oh, Follow That Bird? Miss Finch. Oh. I am scared still today from childhood of Miss Finch. There's a part where she, just any part where she pulls up and leans out of the van and just kind of goes, hmm, I am scared of that. When she's chasing Big Bird through the parade, terrifying.

That to me was like the space that Chucky occupies for probably a lot of kids, my wife for sure. Miss Finch is the worst horror. That's my it. I hear you. I guess I have seen that. This is the worst horror. That's my it. I hear you. I guess I have seen that. Is it, this is Big Bird gets lost? Well, Big Bird goes on kind of a road trip and gets adopted by a bird family,

but they're weird. I should not have, this is going to be another, this should have been a full episode, but I should have not mentioned Follow That Bird. But Miss Finch, yeah, this is where Big Bird ends up in like a circus, essentially.

Yeah, okay. And like is a blue, which is another thing. The saddest thing ever. The saddest fucking thing. All my feelings are contained in this movie. But I know I saw it multiple times as a kid. I thought it was some SCTV spinoff movie or something for a second,

where you're talking about Dave Thomas and Joe Flaherty. They're in it. They're these kind of bad carnival barker guys. They're the Pinocchio. Well, round you up, put you in a cage. They're very good. They're very funny in it. kind of like bad like carnival barker guys they're like they're the pinocchio like well round job put you in a cage they're very good they're very funny in it um john candy's in it at some point uh chevy chase is the news guy i liked that a lot as a kid i think lorraine newman does a voice i'm gonna admit uh that is a big hole in my comedic education i really have not seen much sc tv i haven't a ton except for this one

this thing where uh rick moranis is in a pink suit and he sings this bizarre lounge easy listening version of downtown the patula clark song oh with background vocals from like a ghostly michael mcdonald who's not there this is my favorite i mean there's the more famous michael mcdonald right ran a sketch where he's like rushing in to do the background parts on ride like the wind both of those sketches are phenomenal they make me laugh so this downtown one is not that known oh my god it is so and he's like just in this horrible suit just strolling around weird shady parts of toronto uh i can't i'm not gonna do justice describing it it's so funny sct i don't know now we're talking sctv we're getting back to cranium command but sctv is a much like tighter show than early snl oh yeah i mean by design it

was post snl and i think it was there like they were like we're not gonna let the talent go to snl anymore we're gonna do this our way and we're going to do it tighter and with cinematically and nail these styles in a way that SNL can't because they're live. And closer to an actual Second City company. Yes, review, yes, for sure.

Anyway, follow up. The big thing to me about SCTV is when all those guys were off the show like they just dominated yeah right 80s and 90s like just killer everything you could name from all of those guys there's obviously everything rick moranis is in john candy catherine o'hara all when you add up all the parlor john hughes movies and home Alone and everything, Rick and Ghostbusters. And like, God, what a like assassin squad of comic actors. Eugene Levy.

Holy shit. Yeah, it is wild to see everybody from there because it feels that feels like the most successful sketch comedy cast of all time. Yeah. And so many of them made it to blockbusters like even the ones that aren't the star the top build star of the movie and they came out of the gate quick too like splash eugene levy john candy amazing in that gigantic hit movie bringing us back to disney a little bit but like yeah hey this is just a good earnest yeah discussion of uh anyways they'll play the teeth in

Teeth Follies if this were back in time. That might have been the era. SCTV people in Disney attractions, are there much? Well, Moranis is in Honey, I Shrunk You. Martin Short is in three things, right?

A bunch, yeah. Quite a few. And then, I'm trying to think. Is John Candy ever in a ride or right? A bunch. Yeah. Yeah. Quite a few. And then I'm trying to think. Yeah. Is John Candy ever in a ride or anything? I don't think he is. I don't think so. It seems like Eugene Levy should be in a theme park attraction. Oh, yeah.

Isn't that waiting to happen? Maybe not. Well, we'll look into this. Someone's like screaming at their phone right now because there's like a voice. Someone did a voice in the cartoon and then they reprised it in a ride. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're just blanking on it. Yeah, probably. Actually, relatedly, I do have a little...

I'll take voices out of it just for to crunch this a little. Can you guys name on-camera appearances from SNL cast members in theme park attractions? I have a count of six. Not including Cranium Command? Or including Cranium Command overall? So that's three theme park attractions i have a count of six but not including cranium command or including cranium

command which is overall so that's three of them well they're like martin short is an snl cast member too so many of those things a ton of them oh canada monster sound show cinemagique and making of me right uh race through new york my man of course you got it yes that's one one more though there's one more uh i'm trying to think hint i just named it it was in a list that i said oh oh shit disney or universal disney okay man this isn't good podcasting again it's a lot of silence building tension just say it again we'll need to build tension when we do the true crime Buzzy thing. When we're like, the hydraulic fluid left alone for that long develops a deep crimson shade. So it looks like this crime scene of blood where Buzzy once sat controlling the child.

Well, and we'll need to like, we'll fill every, we'll need more air in the podcast. And we'll have to have that music that all the podcasts have. Like, it's always American beauty. Podcast music is locked in American beauty from 1999. And you know what? That's going to be great as we're like in a very sinister voice reading Cadet Benny is 24 years old. Benny is twice as old as cadet Anne was

when Benny was as old as Anne is now. How old is cadet Anne? That's one of the trivia questions from the line? Yeah, that's one of the trivia questions from the line. Oh, okay. Well, to answer this trivia question, Chevy Chase is the answer. Do you know the ride?

It's apparently a forgettable one. I don't know what is it monster sound show oh pre-dating sounds dangerous with jude kerry thing i guess people are not i don't remember that of yeah well we'll hit that one when we're wow uh really in the dregs and that's it there's no those are all the on camera with his voices. Right. That's that'll be too long to say. But that's I mean, OK, to get back on track, I think the bigger point here is that I think it was maybe a little unusual to have current comedians and pop cult like recognizable pop culture figures in theme park attractions right a little more common now still not a ton but i think they were like in this era at mgm studios and with cranium command they were starting to break into that a little bit um and i heard an interview with the director of cranium commands jerry reese jerry reese who another sounds dangerous connection oh he sounds dangerous he sounds dangerous jerry

reese's website lists all he has been involved with like 16 disney attractions there's so many so many uh uh i mean michael and mickey is one i don't know if people remember this super well but if you never got to see it there's this great it like played at on the disney mgm tour where like mickey gets michael eisner to round up all of the characters to go to a screening on the lot and it's very charming like mickey gets michael eisner to round up all of the characters to go to a screening on the lot and it's very charming and mickey michael has a mickey watch and mickey has a michael eisner watch i think that's still one of my favorite things they're leaving money on the table by not selling a michael eisner watch oh yeah if we can figure out how to missell watches, we'll do it. Let me ask you a question. I keep sidetracking,

but I am a big toy guy, statue guy. If they sold a reasonably price, and I'm saying reasonable, 50 to 100, and it was a nice Michael Eisner doll with Mickey there and it had maybe the watch gag in it, would you want it? Yeah.

I'm not really a toy guy and i would get it i was like i think scott would want this you have a small collection of things but i think that's in my wheelhouse they're missing out not licensing eisner i think yeah he should license out his like classic like young whatever age he was in the 80s. Yes. Because he's almost more iconic to Walt than me because that's what I grew up with. Right, and Walt now is everywhere and they have these big paintings they sell in the different art stores on Main Street.

There's no Eisner, and Eisner was such a big part of all of these things. It would be funny. Yeah, time has passed, and so now we're raising him up. Too soon for Iiger dolls we don't need no i don't know he needs more time on camera watching him introduce the star wars thing on the christmas parade this year was weird yeah he also i feel like changed topic too fast there was no

he's he was like happy holidays to everyone I hope you're having a wonderful holiday season. Star Wars is coming up. Like there was no, it was a real rough. He's got to learn the art of segways. Right. Which Eisner, obviously. Brilliant. Perfect on camera. Perfect on camera.

Yeah, sell those Eisner watches. I'm buying all the Eisner merch. Eisner merch. I'm so curious if they were to do it. Again, leaving money on the'm so curious again leaving money on the table they're leaving money on the table with like with karate chop action great uh getting stars to fall in line uh i'm thinking like a hundred hey jeff daniels you think you're you really think you're getting an extra 500 grand for arachnophobia huh like a hundred like i have this batman 60s toy

up here that's very detailed and has a lot of like posability that level michael eisner detail doll with a little mickey i think is the way to go yeah and then sell that on that in the statue and art store like batman he's holding a big bomb but it's the in his case it's the film canister for the movie powder is there a better disney bomb from his era well the plans for california adventure sure oh yeah yeah poke fun in it anyway when we have eisner on the show which people have i've been noticing or tweeting at him and his son to do our show oh yeah that makes me please don't bother those too much breck is a very busy and successful yeah but i have a part of me let him

do it on his own terms whenever breck whenever you want to come around I have a, part of me, let him do it on his own terms. Whenever, Breck, whenever you want to come around, we'll be happy to have you. Yeah. Part of me thinks we could get Michael easier than Breck. Yeah, maybe, but I think he likes to talk.

He had like a, yeah, he had a show on CNBC for a little while. Yeah. It's kind of been conversation. He talked to Lorne Michaels, I believe for a while. Uh huh.

Maybe they established their friendship when he asked can we get Lovitz and Carvey and Nealon so that's how we got to this was an early instance of stars of the time and especially this to me stars of their time

like playing their game doing their shtick I mean Bobcat's there he's doing oh yeah yeah absolutely well well no oh sorry no go ahead oh uh you know hans and franz unofficial hans unlicensed hans and franz uh groden just one of the best straight men of all time one of the best boys to reason of all time yeah yeah yeah yeah and george went is very much in his zone right when yeah i think um well so i heard an interview, I think this was on Season Pass,

our friends of the Season Pass podcast. They interviewed Jerry Rees, who ended up directing Cranium Command. He also directed Back to Neverland, which was another thing. This was a thing on the Disney MGM Studios tour as well, where Walter Cronkite is reporting from the theme park or something and then Robin Williams

as not named as Robin Williams but he's a tourist who's you know doing shtick like Robin Williams he comes up and like takes a tour and gets animated and learns about animation in the process and ends up in Neverland and making hijinks in a Robin Williams-y way there was apparently according to Jerry Rees, some general consternation about this. Like, well, aren't the theme parks kind of this escapist world? And why would you have just Robin Williams doing his Robin Williams thing? And he said, well, if you think about it,

Pinocchio, the voice of Jiminy Cricket in the 40s, was recognizable as that comedian doing his thing yeah or Ed Wynn Ed Wynn absolutely yes a guy you might know from tv or movies and Ben World will do a cartoon character who's like him right Phil Harris the voice of Baloo was like a boisterous kind of drunky radio guy uh uh so like so it was actually playing into a tradition more than anybody thought and kind of updating it. Back to Neverland went over so well that they apparently started just throwing stuff at Jerry Rees. Like, can you fix this? Can you be part of this?

There was some little thing on the tour where he directed George Lucas setting up a clip or something or other. Thus, the night of the opening of Disney MGM Studios, George Lucas and Eisner take him aside and like, hey, Jerry, can you fix this Indiana Jones stunt show for us? We just feel like it's not. There's no, like, I don't know. It doesn't have any heart. There's no build. There's no story.

So this guy all of a sudden is just everywhere. Like, Lucas needs him to do stuff. And among these things where he's a fix-it guy is Cranium Command, which was having a lot of problems and was a hated project within the company at the time. Yeah. Well, they had outsourced the animation to a different company, and it was coming out.

Apparently it was all coming out. They were giving that and imagineering. a different company and it was coming out apparently it was all coming out they were they were giving that and imagineering like they were following the directives but it seemed like it was coming out very dry and like i think they said like oh you know like those 1940s informational films they show in schools and it seems like they were making that and it was dry and kind of condescending and and not super funny yeah and i maybe you saw the same thing as me i i found a list of like what so they had uh uh they had jerry reese watch a cut of it and and so a lot of the pieces of this were there there was a uh uh there there was like you know guys in your head controlling your body

uh a general knowledge i think the character was still in there but it wasn't buzzy wasn't buzzy yeah it was a guy named captain cortex which sucks i disagree with that you think that's okay i don't say it's great but i I don't think it's such necessarily. If you tell me Captain Cortex is a Disney character, I like the sound of it. I'll say that. Yeah, I mean, it's pleasing to the ear. But I think that comes from, it was a lot harder, a harder Star Trek bridge parody. I don't need to get so hardcore yet. Buzzy's kind of a Rex ripoff in my mind.

I was thinking he's Rex. He's not as good as Rexx and i think i'm i look down a little bit on him because of that i like his design but i feel like i know that you're getting serious but buzzy is a poor man's rex is all i'll say oh i'm sorry jason's got what you're saying i don't feel this this the the harshness of it i'm being a little harsh, maybe. I've got five hours of sleep, but maybe that's just me today. We're both being harsh for the sake of humor. You'll put your differences aside.

We'll put our differences aside. I may be taking this personally because we were texting over the holidays, and I said, I'm going to get ahead of this now. I know I resemble Buzzy. He had sent a side-by-side picture where I had drawn the hats and the headphones on myself. Jason Sheridan.

Which I will post. Yes, please. Jason Sheridan for Buzzy on Disney+, the new Cranium Command TV show. Let's start that going now. Oh, okay. So in addition to the True Crime podcast about the finding of Buzzy,

we will also have a narrative show in which Jason is Buzzy. Cross-platform, four quadrants, all the words, all the buzz phrases. There'll be a tier you pay for on Disney+, it's just Cranium Command-based programming. It's an extra $5 on top of the regular fee. Well, you know what? There's a lot there because there's all of the workplace drama within the head.

Right. Jason is buzzy, you know, trying to keep the gang together. It's kind of a 30 rock sort of like everybody's a kook in my office, but we got to unite for the common goal. And then you can also do Wonder Years style coming of age stuff with the boy whose body you're piloting. Oh, yeah. And then you can do like some prestige stuff. Like he discovered like has to cope with a death in the family. Or like you really want to like Cranium Command of like kid from Gummo.

Like really dark art movie sort of Cranium Command. I mean, every genre has the potential for Cranium Command. All the actors that appeared in the ride aren't on a TV show right now and could easily do the show. Going through it. Yeah, you're right. They're all available. Wow. So we'll line that up once we get everything else.

They're all still around. They're all still around. And I think all of those people are very funny. They great everyone's great what a good cast so we've already got a perfect cast now led up by jason shared and if anybody ever needed to leave here's what happens like if you know if if george went wants out then the kid gets sick needs a stomach transplant a transplant yeah you know a stomach yeah that thing that happens all the time and and you and you so he and that's a very dramatic episode as well and then you end up with a new uh uh i don't know who uh josh gad sure i mean he's busy but i'm hungry i'm hungry. I'm hungry.

But when Disney calls... I'll put Mitch on the list. Oh, yeah, sure. I'll submit it to Disney. It's up to them if that's going to work for him. I think Mitch would knock it out of the park. Oh, 100%. We believe in Mitch. So this is...

Oh, my God. Great ideas left and right. We can barely focus on the actual thing. On the ride. We're just trying to stay. It's just the joy of the ride is pulling us away from the disaster of how it started. I know. It's a bummer to think about that there was ever a time when this wasn't working.

So apparently, all right, so they show a cut of it to Jerry Rees. And a cut of this is very confusing, because if you have not been on this attraction, you are inside a head. And there is an animatronic doing a lot of the heavy lifting, who's going back and forth on an arm. There's two screens that are the eyes. There's other screens that are where the various parts of the body pop up and do their status reports. So imagine trying to piece this together. How do you possibly edit this thing? It's so many components all syncing up.

So they show Jerry Ries some version of this. He said, as you said, Jason, this thing, it's very obvious and patronizing. It's like talking down to you. It's too educational. The eye screens were only used occasionally and then shut off. So these are like the biggest screens in the theater, and they are black for a ton of the show. And he's like, no, no, no, this needs to be madcap.

That needs to always be on. And little sequences, the kid's running to get to the bus, and he's in a food fight, and all these POV things that'll be tough to pull off but look really cool. And he also, I think, all of the body parts that they flashed to were animated and not live action. So that was one of his pitches was, well, if we don't have a lot of time here, let's only animate

the pre-show uh and the general the rest of it let's do live action and let's have these recognizable actors so instead of building all this mythology it's like oh george went i know him uh uh charles groden i know him and you can plug right into their appeal yeah and it seems like they they were able to accomplish that pretty easily because when you break down what the actual production is, you shoot all the POV stuff in the school and the house and stuff. And then they went to soundstages and shot each comedian. And it was very interesting reading about, okay, so they had to match shots and. So like the eyes looked right and stuff. And then when he was shooting the comedians, they had a monitor playing the other,

the live action footage they had shot from the kids POV. Really just incredible thinking about this. And I saw an anecdote about it, the AD on it. Then after this, went and worked on T2 t2 judgment day and he said this was the best training for that because that was so insanely complex of a production wow it's so deceptively complicated yeah because like the thing is very fast and i think most as we usually the barometers like most dads wander into the ride and they're like okay, yeah, got it. Okay. And then they leave. But like if you really think about breaking it down and how you have to coordinate all of it, it's pretty crazy.

There's a ton go. And all the mediums. It is cell animation. Apparently the last Disney product fully done in the traditional ink and paint style. Other things still used a lot of that, but not entirely front to back. I believe at the newly opened Disney MGM Studios animation wing.

Oh, that's right. That was also on the Jerry Rees interview that if you went, right when the park opened, if you took a tour of the animation facilities, the first place they take you is the storyboard room, and they were storyboarding Cranium Command command a future attraction for just up the road um so

yeah live yeah live action and pov and robots all of this working together and apparently when jerry reese had to show rough cuts of this thing it was like unwatchable and katzenberg is sitting in this going like, I guess I just got to trust you here because I don't know what I'm looking at. And I think it didn't really come together until the last minute. Which they gave him pretty free. Once Jerry Reese gave notes on it,

then they gave, it's like, all right, you fix it. You have like free reign. But this, we've used half the budget and you have to do it in this timeframe. Like it is, it's crazy how complex it is But we've used half the budget and you have to do it in this time frame. It's crazy how complex it is and how it's still, like watching the video of it, I was like, this still holds up. This holds up better than Journey Into Your Imagination,

a ride still in the park. Everything holds up better than that. Yeah, I know, but it's weird. But I mean, yeah, it plays. It plays well. Yeah, yeah yeah and it's all very dynamic and i think the the style or like the rushed timeline created some fun stylistic stuff oh yeah they that's i think why they had to do uh cut out sort of monty python terry gilliam style in the pre-showshow. If you watch the pre-show, the commandos get inside their heads, and the heads are live action, and they climb up into them, which I associated at the time as you can't do that on television.

I was going to say that's what I think. I'm going to go, no, no, that's Monty Python. They stole that from Monty Python. Yeah, I had to learn that that was not an open style anybody could do. That was Terry Gilliam. That scared me, too, as a kid. Just in general. Oh, the idea of you being on an assembly line.

Head cracking open, too. Like, ooh, I hated it. Yeah, I hear you. That pre-show, of course, the first directing job for Kirk Wise and Gary Truesdale. Yes, another thing that's crazy, too, is that situation. That was their first directing job job and katzenberg liked that short so much he may have liked it more more than the actual ride he goes this is better than the ride it's better than the ride and so he gave them it's like hey can you we're having problems

on this feature can you can you take it over and that feature was beauty and the beast yeah god which also had a yeah they were they there was a director who had to get fired from that right so yeah oh my god yeah you handled that little pre-show so well please make this oscar caliber but similar problems like it wasn't funny it was like it was too serious so is, is that right? They had done this funny pre-show and they got to do this. I should also say Jerry Reese directed a movie I really liked as a kid, The Brave Little Toaster. Yeah, sure. Which is, I mean, already I think that's a great work. It is the best, I think, of what I call the upsetting era of animation we're talking crate mouse detective

land before time uh american tale the first one less the second one all dog go all dogs go to heaven and probably the most upsetting one rockadoodle rockadoodle why is that the most upsetting because there was always lightning storms and tornadoes and he couldn't see, lost his voice and he finally gets it back. Wait, Rockadoodle was the most upsetting to you as a child? Rockadoodle stressed me out. Rockadoodle? Obviously the scariest movie ever made

is Follow That Bird. Are you crazy, Jason? That's a scary movie. Rockadoodle is just a fun Elvis chicken. Is that right? Yeah, he is an Elvis chicken, but he's like washed up Elvis chicken for a lot of the movie the idea of struggling in an industry stressed you out as well that you

that is preparing for later oh yeah um yeah all dogs go to heaven is about dogs dying I mean I hear that yeah you you may also in that list missed secretive nim which I don't know very well but isn't that fairly upsetting and very think so. Black Collar is very dark as well. What about Ferngully? There's darkness. The smog is very upsetting. I think, too, though, that is like 90s. I think

in the 90s you saw a brighter color palette, and I found that more. Rescuers Down Under. Ferngully. Is it? Yeah. I think that's like Gull. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. I guess. I think that's like 93, isn't it?

Wow. I'm also very upset by Rover Dangerfield. Seeing a poor defenseless animal get no respect. I think just these sort of dark. Rockadoodles 91, sorry. Oh, okay. So, tail end. But Little Mermaid,

Rescuers Down Under, Fern Gault, you saw brighter looking animated films and I think I found that more at ease. Oliver and Company, brighter looking. Who can forget the dark poster

of Rockadoodle? See, but that's... It's so bright. It's so bright. Not accurate to the movie because he's just constantly... I gotta watch Rockadoodle. I've never seen Rockadoodle. Yeah, me neither. I'm curious what you're talking about. just constantly i gotta watch rockadoodle i've never seen rockadoodle yeah me neither we gotta watch what you're talking about i watched it a lot too

because we had it on vhs let me look at the trailer for rock a great mouse detective i think i was comforted by like well he's clearly a sherlock holmes type like i knew the concept he is a hero he'll figure this out i will figure this out. I will say this to defend you now. Rock-A-Doodle is darker than that poster. Immediately the footage in the trailer you're watching? Yeah, just a little darker color palette. And it doesn't look like the fun romp I always imagined. We got to do it.

This gripping, this aronofsky-esque traumatic it's like the cool world right i mean if i had to write like a term paper i would probably and it's people have already probably talked about this where it's like before all of those movies and like the pre of those movies black cauldron all that crap all the scratchy dark looking disney and other animated movies it's probably like oh is this the first or second generation that really grew up with feature-length cartoons and now they have their own ideas but they want to push the limits they want to make it dark like oh maybe yeah well and it also seems like that 80s when disney was not

before the golden age before little mermaid you had had Tim Burton in the mix you had uh Don Bluth is kind of darker and Jen was at Disney at some point correct I believe he was I think so forgetting another name in the in the darkness I mean like uh wasn't Laster originally involved with Brave Little Toaster yes and they didn't want to do it and uh and then he just made a different version of it called Toy Story. Oh, were they sort of affiliated in some way? Well, just like in the sense that it's like not human, like little characters going on adventure. Like there's a lot of parallels.

Humanized inanimate objects. Yeah, anthropomorphized. And Toy Story originally, notoriously, the like animatic storyboard cut of it was very horrible. Yeah, depressing. And Woody was an asshole. And so a lot of these things, I think, start. Yeah, I don't know.

There's something about animation, I guess, that's so like, you know, nebulous that you can end up with something that just, I don't know, this should work. That we got funny voices. We got good artists. And why doesn't it work? But it's kind of magical when it like does all come together there is a figure by the way in this i have i have a lot of like i'll i'll hey dry facts ahead i wrote down there's some pretty interesting like personnel on this on cranium command in general especially the pre-show and there's a figure i found who i hadn't heard of before who's uh you know maybe part of navigating animation out of what you're talking about into the brighter zone.

This guy named David Pruiksma, who was the main character animator of Buzzy in the pre-show. He had a nickname at CalArts, where a lot of these guys came from. He was the king of cute. And he applied that. Buzzy certainly won. Buzzy's pretty adorable. I bet Captain Cortex was not as sort of rambunctious, relatable as Buzzy. So he made the character cuter, made the whole thing work.

He went on to animate the seahorse messenger in Little Mermaid. Very cute. He did Mrs. Potts and Chip in Beauty and the Beast, like the supervising animator of these parts. The Sultan in Aladdin, the Beast, like the supervising animator of these parts. The Sultan in Aladdin, another short, rotund, lovable, roly-poly guy. I like that.

Give yourself credit. You're in much better shape than the Sultan. Thank you. I try to work out. And he apparently, well, I think I missed Pumbaa. I think he worked on Pumbaa. And then personally animated almost every frame of Flit the hummingbird in Pocahontas.

So you're not even looking at him giving notes. This guy personally drew a lot, which is crazy to think about. I'll be honest. I did not remember Flit. No, none of those characters really landed. But I bet if you watched a big if you watched a bunch of flit you would probably appreciate i mean i know the art of it i'm sure i would i mean i know grandmother willow i know um meek what's the raccoon's name uh miko

miko uh and then that's about it huh huh now that's a whole other the angular mid to late 90s Disney anime. Pocahontas, Hunchback, I guess a little. Certainly Hercules, Atlantis. Yeah, everything got more. They all got like corners in their noses. Right. Everything got a lot more. And the DreamWorks character.

Oh, your Road to El Dorado's are all kind of like craggy and angular and weird. Which one of these fellows went on to do Atlantis? Kirk Wise did, directed Atlantis. Oh, that's right. Oh, and they both did, they did Hunchback. They did Hunchback together. And then the other one went on, I think they split off and did their own work.

One of them directed Peabody and Sherman a few years ago. Okay. Other personnel on this thing, the music by David Newman, who is Randy Newman's cousin, who is also a film score composer. All the Newmans are film score composers. Everyone in that family.

Not his dad, but his uncles were composers too. God, everybody. And going way back to the dawn of cinema. Yeah. He reunited with Jerry Rees, having also done the score of Brave Little Toaster and the original Frankenweenie short for Tim Burton. Interesting.

Went on to do all of Danny DeVito's movies from Throw Mama to the Train to Death to Smoochie. Wow. Ice Age, Bill and Ted, The Flintstones, The Mighty Ducks, The Nutty Professor, and the recent Night School. So he's still doing a ton of stuff. This is one of his first scores. And this was the weirdest one to me.

The DP of this thing, who did an amazing job with all of the POV and all of those crazy sets in different worlds for all of the body parts,'s a guy named david m walsh who was also the dp of the woody allen film everything you always wanted to know about sex but were afraid to ask which culminates in a section that is essentially cranium command oh have you guys seen this movie the final it's like an anthology movie kind of in the final piece of it is the like a body preparing for sex woody allen is one of the sperms and in the control center tony randall and burt reynolds it really that movie may be the real impetus of the idea of lots of little guys in your body controlling it yeah that's the same guy shot both of them. Very strange.

Wow, that is weird. He's never talked about, I assume. There's no big interview with this man about cranium command or anything to say like, oh, that's why they hired me, because they saw that. They knew I could handle military sets inside of bodies. Huh. And let's not forget an animator on this, one of their first jobs, Pete Docter, director of Inside Out.

Right. Which he said, you know, heavily influenced by this working on this attraction. So crazy. This was one of his first jobs ever. He was a development intern in the Disney company. There was such little staff and they had to rush this thing together and people liked his shorts uh and they so they said i you know you could probably handle some shots of this movie so there's a couple of shots fully animated by pete doctor one of his first things went on to obviously be involved in every pixar movie directed monsters inc up inside out

uh and is now the creative head of pixar um so yeah crazy uh uh incredible staff of this thing who all went on to do like to really it's like an all-star group it truly is yeah all making a pretty good co-director of ronnie del oh ronnie del carmen is the co-director and i think pete dock oh really okay as director they started doing more of that in recent years at Pixar. Oh, maybe like weaving in the next people to take it over. Sort of an apprentice, yeah. Sure, sure. But yeah, Inside Out also, yeah, Cranium Command predates Inside Out in terms of watching the mechanics inside a body. Although, as Pete Docter points out, it's a lot more emotional than the physical and the functionality of the body.

Right. But I'd also like to shout out another thing between bridging the gap of tiny people and bodies from Ukrainian Command to Inside Out, we can't forget about Meet Dave, the Eddie Murphy film in which there is a spaceship that looks like Eddie Murphy being piloted by lots of tiny people, including our friend Paul Scheer, who plays Lieutenant Kne kneecap in the film uh uh which have you guys heard this story he's told this on several podcasts i think i repeat it

but where he was hired to be lieutenant but because they saw a headshot and thought he was fat from the neck down they like some of the bow from his face thought he was fat so they hired him to be the butt and then it was a really tense filming it and they fired him on set and he walked away i was upset and then they came back and said oh yeah we well we thought you were fat so we got the sound guy to do it because the sound guy's fat anyway you want to be the kneecap and he filmed a scene that felt very just like yeah let's toss him a bone the scene is not in the movie his shoulder maybe is in the movie uh a very odd thing but yeah paul sheer has done time in the in the body minds the body uh the other one of course is herman's head oh my god there's a lot of these

it's a robust genre yeah the 1991 show on fox whoa where he had like four different people i think in his head playing these like different emotions right including yardley smith yes yes simpsons yeah that's the only thing i know about it and there was some like simpsons joke at some point where lisa defends herman's head like all right that's why that's in there um now solely know herman's head as a comedy point of reference like i think on the simpsons and another 90s show made a joke about like herman's head it was on for three seasons oh my god what yeah what that's wild that's like one of those like fox shows oh man the dog's comfortable uh uh where uh like i didn't realize how long it was like models inc like shows i didn't watch but you would see ads for it during The Simpsons. Sure. Rock. I was thinking about whatever Rock was, R-O-C.

Yes, yes. And they started doing Rock Live. I always wanted to see Rock Live. Why haven't I achieved that dream now? We'll do that when we watch Rockadoodle. We'll also watch Rock Live. Oh, yeah. All right.

Yeah. Rock Fest. Podcast the ride rock fest yeah so followed by action check out jay moore's action we're gonna yeah we'll do a mini podcast every episode of action uh which area was on herman's head too whoa another several simpsons cast um the do you what did you see inside control rooms in herman's head do you know that's a good question how do they represent the who what was in the head um well the poster has like four people and his head is split open but i don't think that's how they showed it are you freaked out

by that still on some like baby level yeah yeah split open there's uh i didn't like when mr burns cut open homer's head in the treehouse of Horror and you'd see his brain. That's upsetting. I found that as a kid. I was like, ooh, it really creeped me out. I thought that was cool. Wow. You were... As we've established, you were the coolest of the three of us as a child.

Oh, I don't... I didn't know. I'm looking at the opening to Herman's head right now. I think they were just sitting around like like this and like talking through stuff. Love the opening, by the way. Great strobe effects. Yeah, really. It looked better on old TV. There's Hank. Is Hank in the head?

I guess these are all in his head. Ken Hudson Campbell. Rick Wallace. The original Artie Lang. Peter McKenzie. Yeah, so that's I think that's how they were in the head. They were all like crammed in there. Huh? I think.

Was it bloody or did it look like a library? I think it looked like a little crammed. Hold on, I'll pause it here because the audience is riveted again. Yep. It almost looks like Beekman's World in the back or something. It's very fisheye. It's very in your face. Inside the brain, the brain dramas,

I don't know what to call these. I like a lot of stuff in this genre. Head scratchers? Sure, great. I guess that's more of them. They're called head scratchers. For now, we'll show. Fox now, Disney owns Fox, so Disney owns Herman's head. Oh.

Officially, I think. So they can get. Well, all right. On the Disney Plus show. The Disney Plus show. And obviously, they'll be fine giving us the Inside Out characters. Yeah. Easy.

Oh, my God. It's waiting to happen. The Cranium Command boy dates The girl from Inside Out And Herman is around As like an uncle figure And then who owns Meet Dave I hope it's Fox It might be Fox

Oh please oh please I think it might be Is it Fox Oh my god here we go is it Fox Anticipation Podcast music. Distributed by 20th Century Fox. Meet Dave.

All right. Let's go. All the head scratchers. I mean, I'll say head scratchers as a name of this series and extended universe is pretty good. Wow. What a triumph. Yeah. I don't mean to make Jason not the main character.

It'll still center on you, but all these other... You know, the more we can expand this universe, the better it will be for me. So do you guys want to get Woody Allen in on it too? Oh, I don't know. Burt Reynolds, I guess, is in. Burt Reynolds is in. I've been wild about that Amazon show.

We'll discuss off pod. So, oh my God, a robust genre, and this is a fantastic entry in it. Should we go through the story of the ride? So you enter through, you enter into a hallway with four posters in it, which have a trivia. Propaganda-y poster. Well, there's propaganda recruiting posters, which is a go-to theme park queue thing. That's why there's so many people

flooding through any space is you're being brought into some mission. Yeah. It's a very chintzy hallway. I think all the money went to fixing the movie and not to the hallway. It's an unimpressive hallway. I think all the money went to fixing the movie and not to the hallway. It's an unimpressive hallway. I'm sorry.

Am I offending you with this? No, no, no. It's pretty lackluster. I mean, yeah. So, yeah, the propaganda posters, like you said, Scott. Yeah, the brain teasers. Does someone know the answer to that Cadet Betty one? Because I could not figure it out.

I felt so dumb don't know it offhand i don't either um we could put it to the uh listeners solve this for us solve this brain teaser is a better word for the genre of the show brain benders brain benders brain benders as the name of the of the genre is not bad that's good yeah yeah we'll keep at it we'll keep we'll keep probably by the end of the episode uh uh so uh several posters then you sit and you watch this video in which general knowledge is talking to the recruits people who are going to go inside the brain they've presumably finished the commando academy they're all taking on their missions and most of the commandos are more militaristic uh starship troopers type uh handsome uh bright young boys and girls service equal they

keep saying service equals citizenship it's very unnerving do you want to see more uh so then but there's but one guy is late and it's our little buddy buzzy buzzy now now is he younger than all of them is he a doogie howser it's a lot of questions that are not answered yeah i think he's just a little guy trying his best and i think that's why i like him uh um i i certainly relate it to that as a child, the little guy trying his best. You know what did not sink in when it is said at some point? You'd think how much I watched this and how much I liked it,

this would have sunk in more when they say like, oh God, what was it? It's something like worrying yourself sick, real stress or imagined stress. Those lines were very, that was my childhood like i was very nervous child and not from any i was all just doing it to myself but uh for whatever reason even though cranium command is like no matter how you generate stress it will feel the same way it's okay calm down just take a minute and breathe that never sunk in the lesson never sunk in you heard it you can you can recite it but you'd feel like

today you're still in the same shoes as now i'm figuring it out now i'm working on it yeah just recently in the last three years well then through therapy yeah which equals this podcast. Yeah. Do you think maybe as a child you had like kind of a buzzy guy in your head and he wasn't so good at managing everything? Probably. Yeah, that's probably right. Blame the guy. Blame the guy. And that wasn't your fault.

Oh, okay, cool. It is a real, this brings, it all brings up a lot of free will issues. Oh, yeah. Are we all just piloted by a little guy? I would argue that if we want to get... I do think free will is an illusion. I do think that's true. Damn.

Oh, wow. I kind of feel like... Man, you're talking like the John Lovitz right brain. Yeah, I'm right bird Lovitz. I'm like a real hippie man. Yeah, no, I think that's true. I think we sort of everything's... We're do what we're gonna do and we're if you're if you're able to change you will change but if you're not it's not gonna it's all it's all pre-data it's all it's all a man it's

all an equation is what i'm saying i believe it's sort of all an equation and you can sort of guess what everybody's gonna do if you had the most like crazy precise math equation. Whoa. That's what I feel. But the other, the only, the other thing that I know about your philosophy and role models is your love of Jimmy Buffett. That's true. Who is,

who is relaxed and easygoing. Do you think he's relaxed and easygoing because he knows everything is predetermined. So let's just chill out and let it happen. Or is he relaxed because he knows everything is predetermined, so let's just chill out and let it happen? Or is he relaxed because he does it? You seem stressed out in your free will assessment. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I think I'm like Jason.

I'm sort of a stressed out person in general. I think Jimmy Buffett, there's a persona Jimmy Buffett and then the craven businessman Jimmy Buffett. So I think craven businessman knows everything's predetermined. He's torn between left and right. He's torn between the two. Some of your stress might also be coming from the fact that you look to Jimmy Buffett for inspiration. But you're also constantly talking about how sick and twisted that clown prince of crime the joker is and how he might actually be

the most sane one oh yeah that that thing i'm always saying constantly talks about i mean 10 years for 10 halloweens now you've been wearing that joker makeup and why so serious i say i say it all the time part of the plan um You know, I think really, honestly, maybe my stress comes from me trying to fight against my own programming. I feel like I'm trying to break out of a simulation. I don't want to get too weird here. Simulation. I'm trying to, yes.

I think I was formed by the end of Back to the Future 3, where the facts is erased because the future is what you make of it. I think that movie taught me. But I think at the age of 10, seeing that film, I think it made me think. I think I do believe in free will because Doc Brown showed that the future is not determined. Interesting. And some parts of Back to the Future might make you think that it is because things just line up. I'm not smart enough to even hyperanalyze Back to the Future 3. But, yeah, Doc Brown, I think, saved me from thinking that we're all just cogs in a machine.

Thanks, Doc. That is a better way to think about life. And if I really analyze it at free will, I guess I do feel like you can fight against the worst instincts in your brain and change. So I guess maybe I'm not as cynical if I truly analyze it. Because, you know, I do think, like, I've broken out of some bad habits in my life. So maybe, you know, maybe everything can be different. Maybe we can change, you know? I don't want to get too.

You started wearing a hat this year. Yeah, yeah, that is a good example. Like, I was not a hat man for many years. But then maybe I'm also just, like, predisposed to trying to change things up. So, really, I don't really know. You did open up and tell us the story of how you got those scars. I'm figuring out this runner. This runner.

Mike is the joker. This bit is one of Jason's, like, ham-fisted ham fisted like i'm gonna keep cramming this in here i mean i'm happy to to jump on i'm just figuring out i just want to call out the game if we can the game yeah mike is the joker the game is like i guess the if we analyze what this joke is the joke is that that like, I'm kind of like a lame, like hot topic philosophy guy who like really like is like the Joker. Who is sort of a 15 year old, like an unformed, like a,

like a bat, like a shooter inspired by the Joker. Yeah. I think that's the thing. And everything off. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

So I, yeah. So I get all your inspiration from hot topic t-shirts exactly and like i call my girlfriend harley and stuff and we wear makeup and make out all right you've crossed the line tmi you should if you're gonna take inspiration from anybody at hot topic it should be that free will and deadpool he does what he wants to do. That's true. He doesn't take crap from nobody and his will is freer than anybody's. It's true.

All right. Deadpool proves that free will exists. It'd be less Joker and more Deadpool. Well, that'll be my 2019 resolution. Okay. Anyway, out of the free will stuff. Yeah. Well, I have another question stemming from this,

and I don't want to also open up a can of worms, but I know this is, well, a hot topic, to repeat that. This is kind of a hot topic, but is a baby a human being at conception, or are they a baby when a little boy is put in their brain oh yeah when did well when we're not converting why did he try to do this off mic when do they get their little boy is the question when do you get what age do you get your little boy you get your little pilot uh yeah when when in the pre-show when we're looking at the room of all of the broken heads

if anyone's listening to this episode who hasn't, more than any, you need to watch this thing so you know what the fuck we're talking about. Yeah, there's actually full, good quality ride-throughs on YouTube. I was happy to see. Yeah, like HD. In HD, yeah. 2006, I watched the video from. 2006, yeah. Oh, still going.

Still going. I was shocked. That's what's so confusing is that Buzzy gets in the head of a 12-year-old boy, but as I said, who was in it before. What metaphysical space is the opened up head in? And we also see elderly people in that room of heads. Where are you? Do some people not get their little head controllers until uh it would make sense it is odd that they just didn't go with and i'm trying to think of a

narrative reason it's just odd they didn't go with like babies it's like a stork kind of situation it's odd that you would just like there's not in the cartoon he's yelling it all the same stuff can happen and they're like little cartoon people and they jump into babies but then how do you get to the 12 year old how do you get to like navigating a day i think that's that's i guess you're right that's the narrative problem is that you needed to have like hijinks and stuff go wrong and you explain why buzzy is so bad at controlling this person and that is like the right age where like everything feels important. Everything feels high stakes, like adolescence kicking in,

you know, 12. I think because Buzzy first like welcomes everyone into the auditorium. He's like, all right, let's start this up. He's waking up in the morning. I was assuming that the heads that is all taking place in the dream space or like the subconscious like that's almost

show you a little bit yeah they show you a little bit of everyone getting in the heads and stuff so i'm assuming that's almost like if your car is at the mechanic the car is off it's stationary it's not running so this is it's like the humans are at rest so that's when you get resets now whether do you also get new uh people running your organs do you get new left and right ventricles are they swapped out at some point or are they with you for life well that's what i was saying about a stomach transplant right uh i think for sure that for sure if you get a new heart then there's a new person in there however i like why did why was there a buzzy change are you able to change people out just when they're asleep or does you have do you have to like have an act you have to be in a coma for cranium commands to do the switch i think what they

should have done is that they shouldn't have buzzy's voice should not have been the kid's voice that was a big problem but i think you could explain that like this buzzy type character whoever was controlling the kid before did such a good job he's going to move up into a like a more prominent human okay so he's like he's now he's going to control like a ceo or a president that's and then a new one has to be hired to fill the role of this 12 year old. Let's also possibly died in action. Well, that is too dark. Okay. He is in a bomber jacket.

Yeah. Is he like the sector keeper, a ghost from the past, a ghost boy. Oh, yeah. From the past, locked in time. Again, I believe reading

about this thing storyboard isn't weak. That's the answer we're looking for. Storyboard is the preview. Wouldn't we be like, everyone complains like network notes, but the three of us like, I don't know here. That's a good point. I don't like this attitude in a way of picking apart the logic.

Because if we were giving them this attitude while they were making the thing there wouldn't they there wouldn't have been a cranny yeah it wouldn't have been efficient it does i mean again yeah it still plays as mike said like it's so there's enough grounding there for like a 20-25 minute experience uh-huh no one is thinking of these issues while they are watching georgeendt as the funny stomach man. That overrides any of these bizarre metaphysical issues. But there are story problems. I think that the voice not being, that's a big, I think that you fix that hole and I shut up about a lot of other stuff. You know, we have to think about these things

because if we're looking towards a sub-platform within another streaming platform of exclusively brain-bender-based shows, you gotta figure this stuff out so you have solid footing, you know? My fear, though, is that this project ultimately is not us doing it. It's the little guys in our heads and

i'm worried that they're gonna fuck up the brain bender like we're ultimately at the whims of these little guys so i just hope they've got a good tv show in them well yeah you know command our little finger guys to type type type the scripts well i one way to exercise power is by releasing you know releasing control it's harder than taking control to exercise power but release stepping away and releasing control can uh is that a therapy thing you learned that is a therapy like you have to let your of the three of us go the only one in therapy i believe so yeah yeah yeah a couple years now right it's great smart very helpful very smart yeah i think we'll both be paying the price for not not not letting a lot of stuff go for a long time yeah and then like it really building up when we're like 45 oh yeah oh it's

just like the weeds the weeds are so overgrown at that point that the therapists were just trying to get out of there and try to figure out, oh, we should have taken care of this earlier. Yeah, because it takes a while for the lessons to set in and become, you know, habit and conscious. Oh, and start practicing them. Yeah. Sure. We've all got horrible, dense armies in our brains. We wish it were as simple as just a Charles Grodin and a John Lovitz.

Right. They have plenty of space to move. We have like just weird faceless foot army. Yeah. There's like 10 people doing the job of one Charles Grodin in my head. Bumping into each other. Trying to. They all have different opinions about what to do.

Fuck you. Yeah. I got to say Grodin and Lovitz playing off each other I think is very fun. I mean, I did used to, I know we clowned on Lovitz a bunch in the past,

but like as a kid, I loved John Lovitz on SNL. Of course. Something happened, I feel. Something happened. When you add up,

not just him on SNL, obviously great on SNL, but then, yeah. Everything on The Simpsons, League of Their Own, big. There's something else pretty good I'm missing. The critic? Yeah. Everything on The Simpsons. League of Their Own. Big. There's something else pretty good I'm missing.

I mean this. He's playing a character that is not his exact wheelhouse. You haven't seen Lovitz do this shade exactly. And I think it's very good. I don't know. He was real sharp. I'm definitely an appreciator of the early John Lovitz buddy work. Also in Brave Little Toaster.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Brave Little Toaster is John Lovitz and Phil Hartman, pre-SNL, and Mindy Sterling from Austin Powers, which makes me think Jerry Reese was up probably on what the groundlings were doing he's like i'm making a little movie i'm gonna hire a bunch of groundlings and you could see that he kept his whole his body of work uh uh which also includes kevin pollock and alien encounter uh and kathy and jimmy and stuff like he he has like he casts fun comedians and all this disney stuff and brings that influence into everything,

which now all things have comedians doing voices everywhere. But I think I like the sensibility of this guy. I mean, like a lot of the Pixar stuff, it's comedian types. And Inside Out's got... But Disney movies, for sure, were not. I think Buddy Hackett in The Little Mermaid was like kind of putting a foot out for them maybe they do one because

Bob Newhart in Rescuers they would allow for one voice you know but then the rest are kind of like in character once there's so much singing they're pulling from Broadway quite a bit oh that's true you got Robin Williams Genie you got

Rowan Atkinson Zazu and Lion King wow I forgot all that that was probably when we saw that we didn't know who Rowan Atkinson was well sure yeah so it's a new level to appreciate it on now I knew who James Earl Jones was and I'm sure

you know David Ogden Stiers, your favorite actor in 1992. He was Cogsworth. Oh, Cogsworth. Okay. I could see young Jason being a big MASH fan. Oh, yeah. Oddly. No, but I have a MASH thing.

It's funny you bring that up. For later. For later. Oh, okay. It's a treat for later. It's a treat for later later um okay i don't have we done any have we been explaining this coherently at all so you're in this training room you watch this pre-video with all these great animators involved that's really fun uh you get the basic information about how to be a brain commander and if you're a bad brain commander

you end up having a pilot of chicken around who has not very many options and can't ascend to great levels like a human can. You also get the jokes that are killers. Every time you're in there, at least when we were kids in the 90s, the joke about there were, you know, we've had some successes and it's Albert Einstein and some failures and it's Ernest. I remember thunderous applause and laughter whenever that played. Drag him. Drag Ernest. Get him. A fictional character.

A fictional character that Disney is making movies about right now. How did he end up there? Yeah. They aren't making a mental health judgment about a real person. Right. A lot of this would not be okay today. But then you've got the uh what's the other killer joke oh that like then then it's time to get into the brain get into the theater come on move move move what do you think where do you think you are disney world which also a little bit of a groaner in a way but

like i think maybe self-reflexive comedy in disney in a disney attraction in 1989 not super common right comes back in a different ride comes back in a different ride later on i'm not going to tell you which one until you rather tease huh oh i see gotcha uh oh it's you know it's uh top of the you know it's the top of the what oh i the top of the what? Oh, I know that's in there. You mean in Guardians? Yeah, in Guardians. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where were you?

Disneyland? I know that. It's the same joke. It's the same joke. Yeah, you're right. Well done. Many years prior by Cranium Command. So then you enter the head.

Now you're in a head. Here's a question. Who are we in this experience? We're not Cranium Commandos. Or are we taking notes behind Buzzy? Unclear as well. Yeah, that's one, that's another hole. Are we auditing?

We're 200 secret shoppers. Are we training to be like TAs? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think because the premise of all of it with just the pavilion itself is that we're learning. So I think maybe just in the catch-all of like, hey, you can come and watch what

happens it's like if you're sitting in a surgery with an open right window i think that's what it is you're loading into like it would be very cool if instead of just a hallway it was like you were loading into someone's ear or something oh there should have been one more step like the maybe no budget by that i think yeah no budget so they didn't do it ear around the doors yeah it would have been it would make sense for four years though because you want to load them in in a theater so that's maybe the problem oh yeah but if like i don't know we all have theater doors in our heads that's the other thing this ride teaches you maybe it's like one giant ear with four doors in the ear i don't know how that would look yeah they all fit within the yeah

we all have little doors in our ear yeah okay so we're learning a lot from this it's like no it's like tower of terror where you wait in lines of four and they just take each line separately easy okay so they go row one row two row or whatever they do at six row one in order to make the one year okay big year that's my plus one big year mike carlson's big year yeah easy done so now you're in the head and buzzy is up on a platform although when you walk in strangely he's like just in the dark sitting there as he has been for many decades yeah apparently but then he comes to life uh general knowledge comes back and yells at general if we didn't explain that you know he's he has this kind of drill sergeant attitude and they said in the revamp he became a lot more like arlie

ermie uh um so you know that whenever things are going worse, the worst for Buzzy, the general can jump in and stress him out even more. Right. So he starts powering on the machine. He's not exactly sure how to pilot it like a poor man's Rex. He conjures the second audio animatronic figure. By the way, I should say this thing was supposed to be teaming with audio animatronics in its original conception. Probably all the body parts, left brain, right brain, all of it are audio animatronics, but that's a big budget cut. We can only have one, thus it became the protagonist Buzzy.

Not a big problem, but obviously more robots, always better. Always better. Is Hypothalamus considered an audio animatronic, or is it just a robot? Yeah, I think so. He talks. To some, it something not as complicated and what is he how do we explain him he's like a he's a head on a neck yeah it's just like a pole with like a pair of goggles on it or binoculars he looks kind of like those skinned geese in the

star tours line a little bit just sort of like kind of generic robot type thing uh voiced by director kirk wise okay co-directed the short and i think does a great job of this very dry like monotone like thing because he doesn't pop up that often because what is the hypothalamus control like non motor or like non-conscious didn't stick with me and the word didn't i guess whatever they were trying to teach me there, I just didn't. I think it regulates like all the stuff that your body does in the background, like not consciously.

That you don't have to think about. Yeah, that you don't have to think about. Huh. We all have, hmm, strange. This is, I would be, look, we're a theme park podcast, so when I get a breaking story on my phone, sometimes I have to break in and say it.

Absolutely. On Walt Disney World News today, it just says, concept art for Country Bear Jamboree Dark Ride released. What? I guess this was a never-made Country Bear Dark Ride. Oh, not a thing that's coming. Oh, no. I guess. Oh, that makes me sad almost.

I got very excited thinking it was like a new one but i guess it's not anyway we'll post we'll link that later okay yeah yeah um you live you live your life yeah you're stressed out because you're so jumpy that any second you get an alert about like a new mug that got released mike has notifications for every app and everybody follows on twitter yep not everyone i follow on twitter everyone it's like general knowledge yeah yelling at you too much information for one person and everyone he follows on Twitter. Not everyone I follow on Twitter. Everyone. It's like general knowledge yelling at you. Too much information for one person. So your day begins.

The eyes open up. You're waking up in your 12-year-old boy bedroom. You start meeting all of the body parts. The left brain, Charles Grodin, who is very logical and lives in this awesome cubist world. I love the set of right brain. I think that's my favorite. I think there's a lot of fun set design in this thing. Love left brain and right brains in a more freewheeling, psychedelic world.

This is one of those learning things that did stick. I do feel like i always it really helped me seeing kind of like a gray black and white left brain and a colorful right brain i'd like that concept is always clear to me and and in being create being a creative person and sometimes having to wear like a producer hat and sometimes having to just be freewheeling and be a writer like you have to balance those sides and i do do literally picture like, I'm a little too Charles Grodin right now. It honestly stuck with me. It really did.

Like I gotta be more Lovitz. We're gonna throw that at you. We're gonna throw that at each other now. It's like, be a little Charles Grodin right now. Quit being such a Grodin. Jason constantly thinks of himself just as a Charles Grodin type in a good way. I mean, confident, charming, handsome.

Sure. I think you said he was like your ultimate actor. I think so. Well, I think we were also like... Oh, who would we be if we were gay? Who would we be attracted to? And I think yours was Charles Groton and mine was young Elliot Gould.

Yeah. Yes. Oh, sure. Ooh, who's mine? I don't know. Maybe it's somewhere between, probably some era of McCartney. I don't think,

look, I'm more of an admirer of the physique, of the facial physique of Michael McDonald, of 70s Michael McDonald. Okay, all right. I'm not sure it's an attraction. I'm just like,

I think he's what I want to look like. Right. Yeah, but so those are the bones. And obviously Hans and Franz in this thing. Well, sure. Get my hands on those big arm muscles. Yeah. Yeah.

What is their name in this, though? They just call them. I don't think they're just. They're not named. They're Vons and Johns. Oh, they're not named, but they play left ventric and johns oh they're not but they play left to grocery stores oh they're also a ripoff of the grocery stores um we'll see meet them too uh problematic today that they call people girly men and yeah yeah that's problematic yeah is it wrong to shame somebody for potentially triggering a flabalanche? Was that one of their lines too?

Probably not in this, but I associate that with Hans and Franz. Oh, wow. Instead of flabalanche. I want to say how much I love Dana Carvey. I mean, Kevin Nealon as well. But Dana Carvey, if you watch any Hans and and Franz sketch is having so much fun and just keeps like pointing for no reason he's having so it's like he's a kid with a toy he can't let go of and then like keeps doing that like lascivious and kind of staring down the camera he's clearly just having a blast every time he does whichever one that Hans I maybe um and you get that in this

a little I don't think you get the fully there Hans and Franz feeling but fun to see them right? Yeah. I mean they're all on screen for such a little amount of time I feel like does Groton have the most screen time? By like what seconds maybe? He chips in a lot because

he's almost like a villain he like needs to obviously very useful the kid wouldn't get dressed without Charles Groton. Yes that is a couple things i want to talk so we are led to believe this 12 year old sleeps naked hmm some people do i guess so i just i don't some 12 year olds do i suppose i guess y'all sleep naked the logic is there for the joke. Jason, how do you sleep? How do you sleep? Well, I don't like a lot of layers. Usually like some sleep shorts and a t-shirt. Sometimes no t-shirt, sometimes sleep short.

I'll say this. I would be way into sleeping nude, except that my temperature changes during the night so often that I will wake up like sweaty or weird like i'll wake up weird if i even try to sleep like shirtless so i have to do i prefer shirt well if i wear too many layers i wake up covered in sweat and then i'm cold yeah i can change shirts i'll wear a shirt but i think i have to wear that shirt because it will at least keep some heat in if

i throw the covers off because i'm a little bit of a restless sleeper as well interesting what is your answer scott i'm just shirt and boxers but it occurred to me like the most on brand you know what shirt i've worn like so much that i can't wear anymore because it's just like gotten too thin and full of holes but for the last decade probably almost every night i've worn a captain eo shirt almost every night not like not as like pajamas not like i'm gonna be captain eo in my dreams just like it's a really comfy shirt like what they had at tomorrowland uh you can you know it may it makes sense i should have taken advantage of i should have pretended to be captain eo in my dreams. I was going to say, but maybe subconsciously somewhere. Yeah, that might be.

Well, so it's the stripe. It's the rainbow stripe. Right, right, right. I have that, but I lost it, I realized, the other day. I had it somewhere. I don't know where it went. I wore it out. I can't, like, that alternated between that and a Live Aid shirt, which I also, so also

pretty on brand. You know what? I've been wearing to sleep though lately and i this is going to seem like a ham fisted ad but lately in the sleep shirt regiment botanic kush oh yeah sure it's available at tpublic.com i don't remember the rest of the podcast the podcast right on t public i keep sleep shirts and regular like t-shirts that i wear during the day separate they're different they're most people i think do but i would advocate if you get a botanica shirt do both sleep in it wear it out more so it looks more shitty when you're

out in public with it that's the issue with the botanica shirt our favorite my favorite shirt that we offer is that it won't really have its full effect until you've worn it a lot after five years i would also you gotta get wrecked and then it'll really work i would also and this is jason's gonna be probably mad at us or mad at me for saying this um bootlegging the shirt yourself somehow, I might encourage it. Oh, yeah, I would encourage that. If you want to just draw a facsimile of it and then airbrush it at a local airbrushing place, that wouldn't be bad. I would be very happy to see

knock-off bootleg Tanaka. Yeah, because even then we're getting advertising. We're getting mental advertising. I'm just saying for fun. I'm just saying for fun. I'm not thinking of a, I'm not a craven businessman like you are as much. I'm also thinking of fun and, you know. Also, in case you don't know what we're talking about, on a Patreon exclusive episode just

dedicated to Botanicus, we created an alternate version that loves weed named Botanicush and we're selling a shirt of him. Bootleg bart style yeah and if you don't know what botanicus is we're too far deep yeah you know there's that thing where podcasts are supposed to like every episode could be the first episode sometimes we're just too it's hard it's really hard it's hard yeah the the level the the depths of knowledge just you gotta go backwards it's a serial that we. This is the wire, okay? I think we do a reasonable job.

I think we do a reasonable job of that, but we cannot touch every running storyline. No, nor could we. We can't go back and explain what every single thing is. Right. And, you know, Botanica's, but Botanica's hopefully we've helped make such a major part of pop culture

the main goal of the podcast yes um then we don't have to explain them anymore uh so you see you're in the day you're doing the day oh the ride yeah you're doing the day and for our younger listeners uh just a heads up when when alarm clocks would wake us up in the 80s and 90s you could only shut them off by knocking them off your nightstand violently if you watch any movies from the tv and uh movies or tv shows of the time you'll notice every character constantly knocking over their alarm clock and the alarm clock industry was thriving because everyone was destroying theirs all the time yeah and you're worried that you can't make it on time uh but hopefully it'll be all right

and you'll be saved by the bell yeah that's the optimal scenario kind of kind of plays out that way for cranium command kid he does make it to school but he's he doesn't seem to eat uh no his bodily functions are not addressed probably probably for the best, because this is a 12-year-old boy. Also, he takes the bus, but he can run through hedges and be at school that quickly? I don't know. We're going to have to solve that for the reboot. Well, it's the artistic license. I mean, I think in Star Tours, the version of Star Tours now, there's a couple jumps time-wise where you're like,

yeah, we got out of orbit of Hoth pretty quickly. So they have to take some license, I feel like. I suppose. Condensed experience of the day, yes. Well, also, how quickly is he in the cafeteria? So quickly, yeah. If this is real time, lunch is happening at this school at 8.04. Yes, yes, that's a good point so

there's a lot of issues here but again we're just trying to make a good thing perfect it's not we're not trying to tear it apart uh but now here's something i would not do again if we were to go back into the cranium command world um i think it's awesome. So he meets a pretty girl. He's talking to a girl in class, gets flustered. She asks him a question. He says, beautiful, and a slip of the tongue. You know, good 12-year-old boy stuff. He's flustered.

A girl he has a crush on throws him off. But then a couple of odd things happen uh the the right brain john lovitz starts kind of like is like celebrating he's like he's like a flutter about the girl but he is john lovitz and she is 12 yes this is strange to me and then we end up in this section where he's there's a little fantasy occurring and the fantasy is mainly zooming into black and white photos of the girl which unmistakably are the the head shots of the actress yes right like yeah they just found three of her glamour shots uh uh poses yeah and they're like cycling through them i i think it's a it seems a little lazy to me why would they be black and white you

know when you meet a girl you like and then you imagine her black and white like putting her hands against her chin her at a sears portrait studio you think about her like that yeah of course uh shout out to the uh that actress natalie Natalie Gregory, was also the voice of the little girl in Oliver and Company. Hey. Hey. How about that? Oh, very good. Well, she's great in that, and she's good in this.

And, you know, these aren't big problems. I just find that little headshot fantasy a little unsettling. It would be, yeah, in the first part, it would be better if they were all kids in the kid's head. Like, if there were kid actors, it would be a little less problematic. There weren't enough famous kids at the time. This is pre-McCally Culkin. There's no Culkins to flesh out these parts.

Oh, yeah, you're right. Okay, so that's, but there's some kids from sitcoms, right? What was Small Wonder doing? There's only Small Wonder and Charles in charge. Disney doesn't mess with... What about Emanuel Lewis? Oh, you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, get Emanuel Lewis in there. Who was in a lot of Disney parades. Yeah. Yeah, this little kid-controlled kid body is... That would be fun. But also getting like... Having an adult-suited Charles Grodin in your brain. Of course.

Sorry, let's just cut the scene. an adult suited Charles Groton in your brain. Of course. Just sorry. Let's just cut the scene. Can I say, this is another thing TV and movies made me think as a child that whenever there was a new kid at school,

they were either going to end up being my best friend or my crush. Because that's such a storytelling device in kids stuff to like shake up a character where it's like, oh, there's a new character and now you're best friends with them such a storytelling device in kids stuff to like shake up a character where

it's like, Oh, there's a new character and now you're best friends with them or now you're dating them. It, I, I think, I think I had the same thing as you.

And I think it like, I was like not really dating in middle school and high school. I think that was my hope was that the, like the like perfect out of the movie transfer girl would come because like otherwise the social structure do you guys you guys have that feeling in high school that like when did the social structure get decided before without me being there and why am i completely outside of it they all seem to know each other and have inside jokes and why where was i when this happened yeah it does

like your insecurity also forms part of that equation because you immediately feel like an outsider maybe that was in my head the whole time and then it becomes the reality of it so it is it's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy yeah and it was sort of was destined to hand it was sort of there was no controlling it it just sort of free will happen. It was sort of, there was no controlling it. It just sort of happened. I think the free will, thinking there isn't free will, I think it's maybe depressing. I mean, that's giving into depressing thoughts. Yeah.

The idea that you can control things is optimistic. Right. So, yeah, I think that's. We don't need therapy, Jason. We're doing it here. That's what the show is for. We've said it early on. Don't tell us to get it. We don't need it. We're fine't need it we don't want it we're busy can't lead a horse to water

another thing that tv and movies convinced me of as a kid is like well one day i need to be ready for a food fight i was never in a food Has anyone seen a naturally occurring food fight? No, I've never been close to a food fight. It's never happened. I think I saw one shot, like one thing thrown, something thrown in response, and that was maybe the extent of it. So you never saw somebody get nailed in the eye from across the room, this to get the attention of everyone in a crowded cafeteria everyone turns and goes and then the person perfectly wipes the mashed potatoes out of their eye no and then uh and

then a fight is set up for the end of the day well they uh but but i would think in that scenario then all of a sudden every kid just starts whipping food oh yeah yeah that's probably the better this was a thing according to one of these behind-the-scenes pieces of info that Disney wanted to cut. They were not on set. Like, not on set budget people called Jerry Rees, the director, and said, you're doing a POV food fight? That's impossible.

We have to get this thing done. And he said, is it okay to turn in a half-complete show? No. Well, then I'm going to go in a half-complete show? No. Well, then I'm going to go shoot the scene. Bye. Wow. Cool. Badass.

Nice. And it's a fun little sequence. Yeah. And seeing that in a POV way is cool. Yeah. But, you know, the kid's day gets worse and worse and now he ends up in the principal's office

where the body like melts down entirely this is kind of a clever sequence like the idea like that your body your body parts are not like all like the one can trigger the other right to go and the other one and you're physically flustered and all just and you don't know what to say and uh it's a neat little yeah that's fun he is like staring down at his lap for like a full two minutes or so yeah i did think i thought it would be funny if only there was a way to see the principal's point of view and go like what the hell is going on with this kid did this kid just turn off like what the fuck i guess he's dead turned off

throw him in the garbage turn off means throw him in the garbage. Turned off means dead. Throw him in the pile. This keeps happening. What's going on at this school? Turned off. So he ends up, Buzzy, through his will and sort of viewing things from a new perspective, realizes that he needs to be honest. And that's his only way out of talking about, you know, that's the only way

he can progress with the principal and not get in too much trouble is to just tell the truth. And then it works out. It works out great. He gets some punishment. He just has to clean the cafeteria, but that is all. And he's rewarded for it being valorous. the principal believes this

right away i mean it is accurate but uh what's to stop the bully from saying yeah i was trying to protect the girl too sure yeah the principal's kind of a soft touch or a real easy mark i don't know what you'd call him uh but yeah he sort of just buys it i guess maybe the kid's never been in trouble before that's what i got yeah i'm sure those bullies have been in that principal's house. I think he has an M.O. So that's fair. And who is he to stop young love from blossoming?

He wants Annie to fall for... What's the kid's name even? Is he assigned one? I don't think he is. What principal doesn't want just romance to bloom between 12 year olds might be another thing that needs to go well he doesn't really if you watch the scene he's not he's not like he didn't take pictures

of him and draw little hearts around him and push them together no but there's that one shot where he's rubbing his hands to get where he's shipping students. Yeah, do principals ship students? I'm sure they do. I would think. It's problematic as well. Not ones you want to be around. So then a lesson is learned that is, what is the, the morals at the end of this movie are really laid on. Well, first of all, he gets out of the principal's office with a mild punishment. Annie, the girl, knows that he stuck up for her, and he gets his first kiss, and all those body parts go crazy.

It's kind of a sweet little thing. It's nice. And then Buzzy just tells you stuff for a while. So, remember, keep your head on straight, and if you're ever stressed out, then count to three. And I don't remember the full list, but he really just like bullet points what you're supposed to learn. Pretty like, I don't know. Like there's not a, you, the moral shoved down your throat is what I'm saying.

It's a little heavy handed, yeah. But I don't remember what they are with that. Well, he turns at one point and he looks right at you and he goes like, hey, I know some of you in the audience are weird little kids. They're going to grow up to be weird adults. So just calm down, take some deep breaths and drink more water. That's what I would prefer. That's what you projected into Buzzy's mouth.

I do think also- Good luck, Jason. Thanks, Buzzy. I'm you. I mean, that's what we want all the media we could sue to be like, I'm you. I think I, in the way that left brain, right brain stuck with me, I think I was maybe hesitant to talk to girls at 12 because i was like if you even try you're gonna mutter the word beautiful and you're gonna get laughed out

of this school uh so just don't talk to them i think maybe cranium command uh screwed me up i'll be honest i don't remember if i went on this as a kid i probably did because it's right by body wars which i for sure went on and have a very clear memory of i don't know if I went on this as a kid. I probably did because it's right by Body Wars, which I for sure went on and have a very clear memory of. I don't know if we went on this. I don't really have such a great memory of it. So I was so confident talking to girls at 12. That's obviously what happened. I was so good at it.

Never worried. This movie needs to be off limits for kids. Annie is a really kind soul because by all all rights she was it was within the realm of possibility that she could have ruined that get like and she would have been entitled to like this fucking kid is a stranger to me and he called me beautiful like she she should have been like you me beautiful? That's what the line is, right? That's right. That's right.

Oh, yeah. Me? Look, you're in the new kid at school. You're feeling stuff out. Like, it would have been very reasonable for her to talk to other people and go like, hey, what's my lab partner's deal? Like, he just kind of came out with beautiful out of nowhere and kind of caught me off guard. Like, what's going on? You know what's weird is that yesterday he talked to me with a completely different voice than he's using today.

There's something up with this kid. This kid's fucked up. Well, you know, Jason, as you said on the topic of we're all finding our various connections to this movie and the way it spoke or did not speak to us at the time, I had an idea for a segment. And the segment is called Cast a Commando. Now, we've already we've we're already talking about multiple iterations of this this universe being turned back on us. But if we were to just redo the live show uh or redo the epcot show and it was about us and our body and you had to cast a famous actor or pop culture figure to play one of your body parts uh who would you cast uh and i i can start yeah please like yeah um okay i'm gonna choose a body

part that's not represented uh in the production, and that is the liver. And my liver is going to be played by Donald Fagan from Steely Dan. He's a freewheeling guy, and he's like, keep them flowing, daddy-o. Keep that, hey, how about a little more grapefruit wine? He loves it. He's like George Wendt. The white wine is piling up to his chin by the end of it. Great.

How about a little Cuervo Gold? Make tonight a wonderful thing. The kids want to see more. The kids want to see Fagin in an attraction. Yeah, yeah. Fagin merch and stuff. Gentlemen, who would you cast as a commander? Well, I have an unrepresented section of the brain,

the checking part of the brain. And just because I like him so much, Wallace Shawn would, of course, be the checker. He would be like, there's a max pass availability opened up for the Guardians of the Galaxy Tower you must get it now your friend is

at Disneyland he doesn't even know that there's an Incredicoaster opening monitor your friend's day at Disney while you're at home they have not asked for assistance but you can help yeah so that's I think that's perfect by the way wallace sean needs to be on every ride he's a amazing man he needs like good and goofy movies good and good

and everything vacations all of the movies he's in and and he will be in the new toy star in the new brain bender uh the franchise Jason, do you have one? Yeah, I'm also going for an unrepresented body part. I was going to go with the lungs. And one of my favorite duos, I alluded to this earlier, I'm paying off the MASH thing. It's Donald Sutherland and Elliot Gould from the 1970 movie version of M.A.S.H. I saw that in high school and I thought they were

the coolest dudes. I thought they were so funny and charming and laid back and that's how I'd like my lungs to be operating at a normal. Aubrey, even when times, even when there's shelling going on in the Korean Peninsula, I'd like to just be a couple

cool, wisecracking dudes in sutherland and gould i mean i i so great i i was thinking about maybe gould and george siegel i feel like they were fun oh yeah but sutherland and gould uh yeah just just great 70s sure the fun laid back kind of as opposed to like the deadly serious de Niro, De Niro, Pacino, Casale actors of the Godfather movies. And you want, you know, you want fresh skinned lookers as your lungs. You don't want like some haggard old guy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

You want to know those things are operating smooth. Sure. Yeah. This. Yeah. This is great. I think this is a good, you know, this would be all perfect to put into the ride as a refresh of it. Yes. To get the kids excited with these great actors. The combined age of which is 340 years old.

We got Donald. Well, you're a young jazz man man uh yeah mine are a temporal impossibility oh okay you'd have to be they'd have to be mo-capped younger yeah uh yeah in the past versions of these mash guys yeah and then current wallace sean is current wallace sean fine for what you yeah what you need perfect yeah current current fagin's fine too we don't have to i feel like he was uh you know he was like a odd frog man in 1970 he never aged but he started at 75 so you think he'd be more reliable as a liver than say like dean martin oh yeah well he can uh he can keep him coming yeah. Well, he can keep them coming. Yeah, that's true.

He can. Yeah, he'd be, Dean Martin would be like, it'd be above his head and he'd still be like gurgling wisecracks. Hey, old pal. What's going on up there? That'd be great. Would Mike Love be any part of your brain? What part controls your fashion what part controls your fashion sense

that's good or how about how about dancing it's just a hat it's just suddenly this auditorium is like you could see the brim of the hat somehow Mike Love is the hat and you might say the hat is not a body part but in my body with the way I was raised, in a Mike Love-centric fashion, yeah, the hat's got free will.

And it's Mike Love, man. Love it. Well, I want to see our Cranium Command in action. And I guess, I mean, maybe that's the plus up is to bring it back and cycle through some different brains. It can always be buzzy, but those other guys, yeah. I have a quick plus up. We've been pitching so much on this episode,

but there's a ride coming out called Millennium Falcon Smuggler's Run. We all know the name. Is there any punctuation in there? I'm sure there's at least a couple different colons or semicolons if you're making a ride uh and i would think that there's a cranium command where you actually because my big problem with this is sort of it's it's a fun show but like i feel like once you see

it once you don't need that jason's getting mad at me i think you once you see it once um i don't know it's not like you want to ride it again there There's not a rideability. It's like, oh, it's a fun show, whatever. Let's put you in the head is what I'm saying. Millennium Falcon puts you behind the controls of the Millennium Falcon. Put you in the head. You're each representing the different parts of the human brain, and you've got to hit buttons, and you've got to do stuff, and you've got to see if you can get this kid to get his first kiss from a girl.

You know, that's a fun plus up i think that's a much more active way to put the uh the audience well and it's a nice like as all of the wonders of life attractions should be ripoffs of star wars attractions so body wars it's a star tours but you're in the body uh new cranium command is smugglers run but you're in a break right and so in five years they'll do that i think that was my thing as a kid i was it didn't concern me if buzzy was a lesser rex but because body wars was was good but a lesser star tours yeah undeniably yeah yeah and like more unpleasant like as you're going in and out of like you're watching like valves in

your body clothes it like gives me like yeah like phantom pains to think about it uh body wars will be a upsetting episode for all of us yeah um i have a legitimate plus up kind of based on what a thing i read about one of the concepts for the ride uh and i forget you know what generation or who exactly said this but i think the um at some point they were considering oh well if it's just screens we can swap the footage in and out and i feel like that's such a it's come up so many times as like a blue sky thing for different attractions well like and then this part will be module and then eventually you can change that in and out and guardians of the galaxy is the exception like that is a notorious exception maybe the first time that they've actually utilized they've actually used it but any time they've been like and then

you can swap and change this part it never fucking happens the only toy story midway mania right when three came oh yeah they did it they added some stuff so they added like garland's buttercup and stuff to the ride oh okay but they have but they also were promising like a holiday overlays and things yeah they never get that yeah so screens need to be brighter i mean i think like that that kind of drives me nuts eventually when you read about these rides and like oh and then they potentially we going to swap this in and i think if they had committed to that for a lot of the epcot stuff that park would be in better shape than it was especially since it's supposed to be about the future and like keeping up with the future or bleeding ed stuff so quickly fell to the wayside because that costs so much money to do what is it it's it here's here's some

therapy realizing that i the things that i loved the most as a kid in the disney parks were all forward-thinking futuristic stuff things that i saw from the ages of you know three to nine that made me think boy there's a great big beautiful tomorrow area the future is going to be so cool and then every single one of those things has decayed or been replaced or just ignored there's no area in Disney

Parks more that it was replaced by nothing it was replaced by a lock then like the future things what a bummer. The future is dead. Yeah. But in theory, that thought should come back because they're designing so much of this stuff towards the end of the 70s or in the early 80s.

Not exactly boom times for, you know, coming off the Vietnam War and Watergate gas shortage and the hostage crisis and thing after thing after thing. But then people are feeling optimistic about the field. Like we have to be optimistic about the future. And now in a very bleak time, I hope we end up in an optimistic because right now it's just like, well, guess what new streaming service you're signing up for next year motherfucker like that is the future well when president warren is assuredly elected without any issue when she sails into office after we see every single democratic candidate's kitchen and maybe some even some republican primary challengers uh probably not that shouldn't be a problem she shouldn't be undone by one single trump insult that he will repeat

no 700 times no no no her bizarre dna test solution will not constantly doger. Oh, boy. Oh, man. Well, you know, here's, I have one more. Hey, speaking of optimism, you know what we got? What you're talking about with the screens and being able to slide new characters in and out, as much as I love Hans and Franz, those aren't, that's not who kids today like. We need to get new, today's best comedians into the ride. And I think I know just the guy. We're going to, you know who I'm going to draft into new cranium command?

To play the frigging balls, Louis C.K. Oh, no, no. The man who's willing to tell it like it is. And when the body's confused confused he's down there going hey kid hey fuck you hey shut the fuck up he doesn't say jokes as much as the current cranium command people he just kind of says fuck you and that that is in place of the joke but i think that's what we need is a guy who's not afraid to tell it like it is. We'll talk about him after we have the Woody Allen in our

universe discussion. Brain Bender universe discussion. We're getting Louie and Woody in. Great. I didn't say that. I said we'll talk about it after. You keep both these men away from my pussy.

Hasn't he been through enough?zy hasn't he been through enough hasn't he been through enough we don't know where he is buzzy they don't know where he is yeah which brings us to that you know we'll like we'll we'll uh this episode might not come out for a sec as we record this and we'll you know we'll update we'll add any updates of anything that's going on but it's so confusing is he gone or just the clothes gone it's different uh hey you know what you talk about plus ups for rides i have a plus up for how disney should have treated this situation they should have sent out an amber alert real kid or fake kid we should have all gotten an alert on our phone uh you already had one mike but all people in the country should be on their feet looking for buzzy as we speak at the very least like the amber alert in orlando so like zach rider should have

gotten it on his phone at least because he's a resident he would i think he would have been found by now yeah i think he would have snapped into action what's the the stat in taken that like you know you have 72 hours yeah he would have got yeah yeah... Zach would have been on the case right then and there. He'd be back. And then he would have bought it. He would have had it in his case. And it's mine. Yeah.

Well, let's free Buzzy. Find Buzzy. Free him from where he is and when he's found. Let's put him in a museum. He belongs in a museum. He belongs in a museum. He belongs in a museum. Let me ask you a question before we go. If you, if, say you, I don't know where this would be.

Say we were in Orlando, we were on vacation, and we walked and we saw in a dumpster Buzzy. Say Buzzy was just sitting in a dumpster, whatever. It was a bunch of waste. And you're like, oh my God, it's Buzzy. Would you take Buzzy and keep him for yourself or would you go to Disney and say, we found

I think what is the real Buzzy? What would you do? It's like the scene in Boogie Nights where Don Cheadle has the money on the counter but everyone's been killed. So he has a quandary. It's not his money but no one's gonna... I don't think this is a one-to-one. I think it's exactly one-to-one.

Because no one's missing that money. And it's going to improve his life. There's a lot of blood around, though, in either case. Or at least hydraulic fluid. Yes, that's true. So do you take Buzzy if you think, oh, man, I think I can... I think Buzzy belongs to the world. I would feel too much guilt keeping him for myself.

So you would give him back to Disney. Scott? I think it depends on if he's clothed or not clothed. I think if he's clothed, I keep him. If he's not clothed, I'm too weirded out having this naked little doll in my home. Okay. In my scenario, if

he's naked, I keep him. I take him to a baby clothes store and I buy him a new little winter jacket and snow pants and then I take him and he sits on the shelf here with the Ninja Turtles and Batman. He's a little bigger. What good is it if you can't Instagram about it?

You have to keep it secret? I love that. I love keeping that little secret. I would be okay with that. Because you would know and anyone who came over would know. But you might, I don't know, don't you think the guilt might eat at you eventually? Maybe.

When you hit the moment where you need therapy in a beyond repair manner, that would be the first thing. I'll confess to the therapist, I found Buzzy, I should give him back to the Walt Disney Corporation. What would those three dozen voices in your head say about that? I think they would all have different opinions that would drastically vary. Swing wildly back and forth. And I think the first thing the therapist would say is, who's Buzzy?

And the second thing is, we have a lot of work to do. This is the first thing you want to sort out? You found a robot in a dumpster? Yeah, but you don't understand. You don't understand how he got here. This was a robot of a ride that I love, that I never went on. That I never went on, but I love it. My initial question to you, Michael, was how are you doing?

And you started talking about a robot boy named Buzzy? Yeah, I bought him snow pants. How are you feeling you feeling then you explain mobile ordering to me for 10 minutes you started talking barbecue will be better if you mobile order right now your conflicted feelings on sexual candy stores i don't we're not gonna escape this episode alive no god it feels like we've been doing this for three and a half hours i blacked out several times like buzzy's eyes they just uh yeah um well i guess we survived podcast the ride that we've been left with a lot to think a lot to think about um if if you want to hear further psychosis from us you can go to

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you taught Disney a lesson. Yeah. So, happy to reward you. Sure. And if you have Botanicus' staff too, if somebody took that, we'll pay for that as well. God, I know. We need to find all these out. Yep. Well, a lot of work to do here in 2019.

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