Podcast: The Ride - Discovery Island

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

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Warning, the following podcast may contain a chaos zoo. Swamp-aged soda. Reluctant water pursuits. And a lot of backpack guys talking in hush tones. All that, plus we float over to Disney World's long-abandoned Discovery Island on today's podcast, The Ride. Welcome to podcast The Ride. the show recorded live in an unventilated shed.

I'm Jason Sheridan, joined as always by Mike Carlson. Yeah, I'm here, and it's hot in this unventilated shed. Well, that's the dramatic tension. Will we finish the episode or will we cook a lot? Oh, it's tension, it's not heat from an unventilated shed? Huh? Well, it's heat, but for the listeners, it's tension. Oh, okay.

So Scott Gerdner here, of course. Hey, relax. There's plenty of 25-year-old unopened. Mountain Dew to go around. I'm sorry. I meant opened, but only three quarters drink.

So, you know, probably more than room temp. And it's flat. I'd say it's probably lost the fizz. But other than that, we can split that among the three of us, and that should sustain us for not just an hour and a half, but a couple months if we need.

You don't think Jason's drank like years old Mountain Dew before? Come on. There's got to be at least five-year-old mountain dew you've had. I've got some bad news. I was not looking. I drank a bunch of the Unubin Mountain Dew and then I drank the snake

in the Diet Coke bottle. Oh, no. I drank the preserve snake. Did I say Snoke instead of snake? Yeah. Oh, I get smoke on the brain. You're hallucinating. It's one of those fun pronunciations.

I like calling it Snoke. I think snakes are snokes and that's fun. I have fun. It is fun. I mean, maybe I'll try it, but. Your hallucinations. He's such a famous character, though. can't not hear when you say snoke.

You know who he is. Snoke, of course. That's why I think... Look, it's more in line with snout and snoot, but I think Snoot could be a lot of fun, too. If you're looking to freshen up the way you say snake. Okay. Yeah. Well, I'll think about it.

I'll try it out. So we'll see. But yes, we are here in a shed doing the show. And we're not allowed to leave until we have fully discussed all aspects of Discovery Island. Discovery Island. the Disney zoological preserve experience that ran from the 70s to the 80s to the end of the 90s, then has sat vacant just gathering dust and rot and nature reclaiming it and conspiracy theories. Yes.

This is more famous for people exploring it after. it was closed than when it was open, I believe. Yeah. Well, I think that those people and their expeditions have created a bigger splash than the initial attraction itself, which was just kind of a quiet, low-key, nice thing. If you're, this is a real, if you're looking at the first half of the Wikipedia, you're not, you're not going to find a lot. No, you know?

It's like, oh, well, they had lemurs, did they? Very nice. That must have been a fun experience for the kids. Go to Florida, see a lemur? But maybe I'm speaking for myself. I did not know this place existed until I watched a video of someone go through the wreckage. Oh, you learned about it from. Yeah, and I don't know what year that was.

But we went, you know, on our multiple Walt Disney World trips, we never went to this. Okay. We did not know it was there. I did it. I went. Yeah. And this is one of those, every once in a while, I was with my mom this morning. I said, hey, any memories of Discovery Island?

She said no. So not everything. Yeah, sure. It's a good thing that these people have gone and ran around this place is what I'm saying. Thank God. Because otherwise, if my mom doesn't remember anything, then she's an educator. She would have, like, oh, yeah, like she would have remembered a plaque or something. Sure.

I went to. Mm-hmm. Often, it was like the halfway point of like a week long or five-day trip where, okay, we're not doing the park stay, doing half the day. It's a relaxed day. We're doing half the day at Discovery Island, half the day at the shopping village, and maybe go to the pool. Yeah. I think it was really good as one of those, as a taking it easy, enjoying the rest of the resort kind of experience. And it fit nicely in with 70s, 80s, Disney World leisure kind of stuff, an area.

Vacation Kingdom. them, or just in looking at artwork and logos, a phrase occurred to me, which is that I think Discovery Island fits nicely, or fit nicely into beige Disneyland, or Disney World, I'm sorry. You know what I mean, though? Yeah. Like beige and brown, just pleasant, you know, this isn't the Disney World that is the Guardians' coaster and Tower of Terror and Rock and Roller coaster and that kind of, you know, big, high octane.

It's like things that you do and you're... You're there and you're like, this is fine. And then you're at dinner. Like, remember when we went to that? It was fine. You're on that boat at the marketplace, which is fine, sharing memories of other things that you did that were fine. Yep, Fulton's Crab House, cracking some blue claws, you know. Before Eisner really, like, turbocharged, he, like, rides and made these big splashy things.

He added that dash of his testosterone to the park. That's the way I think of it. Yes, it was a lot, it felt a lot more. When Eisner spread his testosterone across the Disney World property, yes. Yeah. That's the way I think of it, not though. You don't have to think of it that way. I think you're right, though.

And even early Epcot, I think, you're still in the mode of beige Disney World. Yes, and that's where it lives the most still is like World Showcase. Yes, true. Even though it's great. It's fantastic. It's huge. It's huge in its scale, as opposed to some. It's a little more modest like this.

But still, what's the biggest thrill? When are you getting thrills in Disney World? When's the Friday? Other than Space Mountain? Other than Space Mountain. And if the biggest thrills are Space Mountain and Big Thunder, you've still got a ways to go before there's anything too crazy. This kind of closes around the time rock and roller coaster opens.

True. Right, but there's some thrill. I mean, tower opens. five years earlier. Yeah, Tower. Terror open first. Yeah, and then Epcot, I mean, Epcot doesn't have anything thrilling until Guardian,

or no, test track, I guess, even though that's just nothing there before. Unless you count the drops on Maelstrom as thrilling, which as a child, I did. I counted them as thrilling from looking at the photography and the brochures, which showed people like opening their mouths a little bit. Ah, and like, that too much for me. I don't want to be as lightly scared as that couple holding each other in nice manicured sweaters.

Back back over the falls. Yeah. Terrified of that troll man. Yeah, that doesn't help either. And the eye, the glowing eye. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I might have been scared of the trappings more than the actual drops themselves, which are light ramps, I would say. Yeah.

But, you know, that's not that there's not thrills to this, you know, the waters surrounding it being gator infested. Yeah. Not that that particularly affected anyone, at least on doing a Discovery Island trip. Yeah. So, yeah, there was nothing. I mean, it was a zoo, basically. It was kind of a zoo. Yes.

It was nothing. Aviary, a lot of bird stuff. A lot of bird stuff. A lot of bird stuff. From what I understand, again, I wasn't there. I'm just reading accounts of it. There's no way to be sure if there was a lot of birds. I can't be sure if there were birds there or not.

You're telling me this and I believe you, but you can't just believe everything you read on the internet. No. This could be AI generated. articles saying that there were birds on this island and there weren't. I fall for too many aviary conspiracies every day. That's right. Sort of like big picture basics here. Let me just like a little bit of geography.

The Disney World Resort opens and you have the Magic Kingdom and then you've got all the hotels surrounding the Seven Seas Lagoon and boats travel. to and from and connect the hotels to the park. That is a man-made lagoon that did not exist when Disney bought the property. But they connected it to Bay Lake, which is over to the east, and which kind of is sort of the east of the contemporary and surrounds what for wilderness in those kind of hotels. It's this little like tucked away Magic Kingdom Zone east lake.

And that did exist. a natural lake and the island that we're talking about did exist as well. And if you look at histories of this island, it seems, people claim at least, that

in looking at the Disney World site from the helicopter, that Walt that is something that caught his eye. That like, because if you're looking at a bunch of generic marsh Florida property, maybe there's not a lot of like landmarks

said, you know, this patch is apart from that patch. But in this case, he looked and he saw that island and thought, that's pretty cool. I want that island. If I buy this zone, I also get an island. Yes. Yeah, there was something that said it was the day that JFK was killed. When he flew over, they got off a plane and learned chair. But then like, some people were like, I don't know if these stories are like combined or something.

But that was what. It's in the book. Oh, is it? Okay. It's in one of the Genaway books. Because some article I was reading was like, oh, yeah. Like, that's what people said. but I don't know, it could maybe not be...

I'm just remembering the Chicago World Fair that Wall's father worked at, there was a thing called the Mysterious Island. Oh. And that was, I believe it's Frederick Law Olmsted. The father of landscape architecture made this beautiful island that you could only see from a distance. Like with all these trees and plants and stuff,

and I'm wondering if Walt ever connected it to that. mysterious island. The attraction was an island that you look at and don't go to. That's what that's what the World's Fair had. Yeah, kind of just like this now. That's what it is today. That's true. It's true. It from a distance. So was it just an optical illusion? No, it was just covered in different kind of plants and stuff and people had never seen all these exotic plants in one space. Boy, people were hard up for entertainment. They were. They sure were. Exotic plants far away. way. So when does the boat leave to take me there? It does not leave. There is no boat. The idea of the boat has left. It was never here. You can't see it if you go closer. You have to be in a distance.

You can see it. You just couldn't visit it. Like Discovery Island. There's Mike. There's millions and millions of red ants if you go there. We couldn't evict them. So that's why binoculars. We're worried they're going to cross the lake and end up over here. Mike, your senior prom was on the mysterious island. Well, I was looking at the prom through a window. I wasn't there. With your hands pressed against the glass? That's how it felt, even though I was there.

I feel like it was just not present. I was just looking at the prom from afar. The White City. The White City used to be right here. Electricity. Const fellow students. We stand on historical ground. I want to see a picture of this.

the city that you could only see. They wouldn't let you take a picture of it either. That's how off limits this fair island was. It costs $100 a look. Ask Lindsay because I think she read the biography. That counts as two looks. You look for too long. That's two looks.

Pay up again, please. But people would pay it because they were like, this is the greatest entertainment I've experienced because of the year I was born. That's how it worked. Gladly, sign me up for 11 looks, please. I was shaken by Mr. Ferris's wheel.

I need something to calm me. Do you need to talk about Mr. Ferris? Have we talked about Mr. Ferris on the show? I don't believe. I don't think we have done an episode about the Ferris wheel. Yeah, or who Ferris is. Another thing that nearly held up the fair.

The wheel, the island, like all of this crap. Were those the same fair, though? Wasn't the Ferris wheel? That's not like, I could be wrong. I thought it was the same. Fair. Yeah, I'm talking about the Chicago. Am I just conflating?

Do I think that the Ferris Wheel debuted at a Paris Exposition or something because I'm confusing it with the Eiffel Tower? Is that what I'm doing? I think the Elil Tower was for fair. Yes.

I don't know the answer to this. You could tell me anything I believe it, like those articles about the birds. I'll just believe it. Whatever you say, I'm in. Well, if somebody out there listening does know this fact, gotcha, you're a dork.

Yeah. I own them. Jokes on you for knowing this. Long-term con if they listen to podcasts the right. Now, I only know cool facts, like how from 1900 and 1937, this island was called Raws Island. Pretty neat, huh? And then later it was called Riles Island, although some people have proposed that this all comes from people misspeaking, and Raws Island and Riles Island were the same thing.

Either way, the history of the island, before. for Disney buying the island is a long and not fascinating one. It was also called Idol Bay Island. Well, you have changed the game, my friend. Now that Idol Bay Island is in the picture, it is a, it's a thrill a minute, much like Mr. Ferris's wheel, wherever it debuted. I had a feeling this would come up, but did you encounter the name of the one owner? This name is so interesting.

Of course. And I'm so glad that we get to talk about the name. Let's say the name. Jason wants to say the name. I want to say the name. Delmar Radio Nick Nicholson. Yes. So local Florida personality known for building radios?

He wasn't on the radio. He was, he just liked them. I think it was. Radio owner, Radio Nick. Late 30s. Radio Nick, Delmar. So his name is Dell, I guess. The short version, Dell maybe.

Well, again, we don't have confirmation on that. We don't know if this might have been a formal man who did not allow a shortening of his name. Shortening of names was a fun thing that didn't begin until the 1950s or so. Or a one thing maybe a world's fair. You couldn't do it. You could shorten a last name. That's how he got radio. Nick Nicholson.

Yeah, that's fine. But first name, that's very disrespectful to a man, to a breadwinner. Yeah. Works hard to support his family. to support his own liquor habits. So, yeah, no, don't you go shortening Delmard Adele. He lived on the island with his wife and his pet crane. He grew mangoes and limes.

I don't know why I'm glad. I guess it sounds nice, I guess. Yeah, it sounds nice. They invited local community leaders at some point, like people. He was instrumental in starting a zoo in Orlando, too. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Big animal guy. But not on the, not on his island. Not on his island. That's confusing. It would become that. Yeah. But yeah, it was not what he was trying. You could have guessed that the zoo supporter would become the zoo hoster.

I say long and not interesting because at some point I clicked on an article that went into great detail about everything that we've said, Ross Island, Radio Nick, his pet, Sandhill Crane. But imagine that spread out over 30 paragraphs, none of which contain any. any sentences that are any more interesting than any of what we've just said. The only thing I could find that was like, because like when you hear the name, I was like, here we go. This was some sort of Orlando madman who was just on the hunt for. Hey, radio net here live.

This must be like, yeah, like a local DJ, like Wolfman Jack or something. Tip your speaker and sit on it. I'm going to give you feelings. Yeah. Howard Stern stole everything we knew from radio. The original, they call me a shocking jock. So in this article I'm reading about him with the zoo, it does say Nicholson was preparing to capture Florida wildlife,

including a bear to fill the zoo. So I think he was just like, I'm going to go out and get the animals for the zoo. Now that's more Florida man. I'm going to get these guys. People were donating the animals to the zoo as well. And he said, no thanks. If I didn't capture it, I ain't featuring it.

But like the creatures, the people had caught snakes, alligators, wild hogs, armadillos, boars, bullfrogs, foxes. And is Florida at this time just teeming with all of these things? I guess it's 1934 when this is going on. There's a casual walk around the lake that contains your island. Do you just encounter wild boar around every tree? It's possible, yeah. And then there's a sheriff.

Sheriff Harry Hans pet monkey, which was let loose in a courthouse to play around for exercise. And he bit Hand's secretary Ruth Wyrick on the leg. Wyrick's wound became infected, requiring medical attention. And Hand announced that his pet was destined for the zoo. So this monkey ended up. Not a free roaming monkey. No.

They wanted us the monkey to have fun in the courthouse, but it was not suited for that. Right to the zoo. Was the plan that he would be doing that in general, or was that just for a day? You have fun. I will... This is a curious, George situation in real life. I have some business to do in town. You amuse yourself.

I don't know if they put the monkey in like a wig and a robe and it's like, you're the judge for the day. I don't know if there was some fun being had or what. It doesn't get into that. But I like your saying... You're sentencing me to life in prison, but I just nicked somebody with my, I just nicked a car with my car, a tiny bit. You're sending me to the bananas?

What? This is not a true court. Counselor, could you please translate the judge's ear piercing scream? I don't know what my sentence is. What is that in human English? Yeah. All right, it appears the judge's, issuing his sentence. All right, he's doing it via some sort of physical item.

All right, he is throwing the physical item at the defendant. Wait a minute. That's his poop. Oh, yeah, I mean, it sounds like that. I guess you've got to eat it. I guess that's what the sentence is. It's, I hope it was that fun, but it sounds maybe this monkey was like walked up and took a bite and that was it.

No fun antics. Yeah, and if the monkey is as disobedient and bloodthirsty is the story you depicted he probably wouldn't be patient enough to like put on an old powdered wig. Nor does that, well, I don't know, maybe a Florida courthouse in 1930 still has some powdered wigs around. Yeah, oh, for sure. At least one in the back in case they need it. I guess as I'm reading a little more of this, I'm like, there are a couple other things here. You found a much more interesting one than me.

I was reading about bird crime and didn't get to dive into Radio Nick. Well, he had, there are, okay, he does seem a little wilder in some of these stories. Thank goodness. Apparently, to inspire support because they were having problems funding the zoo. There were people that invested in then he needed more money and they didn't want to do it. And this whole thing felt like it was out of control. And then an attempt to inspire support, Nicholson put on a snake show at Tinkerfield. Several hundred people watched him lecture about 35 snakes he had captured in Florida swamps.

Lecture about them or lecture them? It seems like about them. It seems like that. You might think that you might think rattling it somebody is a good idea, but I think you'll find it's not satisfying in the end. In the show's highlight, he extracted venom from a large diamond-back rattler and then injected the venom into a king's snake to demonstrate its immunity. However, the fact that two live guinea pigs were fed to the rattlers drew criticism

and some even called for a new zoo manager who demonstrated greater compassion for animals. So we fed guinea pigs, two snakes, and people were like, this is the guy running the zoo? We need to see this? It's okay. I captured him. They was going to get eaten by snakes in the wild anyway.

I just spit up the process. Apparently it was called Orlo Zoo. Orlo Zoo. Orlo Zoo. O-L-O-Z-O-O. Is that some sort of, is that like, is that how like guy

with Southern Dahl says Orlando? Orlo. You were coming around Orlo. Orlo. Yeah. You come down. The city beautiful. You got to stop at Orlo.

City beautiful. He feeds anything to those snakes. Orlo is a good name for a little kid. Were they upset? A lot of Arlo's, not enough Orloes. Yeah, a lot of Arlows. Mike's having fun. He pronounces Arlo Orlo.

Apparently animals kept escaping the zoo. A young buck reportedly chased two women down the street before being tackled and returned to its paddock. Later another buck, perhaps the same one, jumped through a fence when the Wilson and tumor fertilizer company across the street went up in flames. Then two monkeys and a 30-pound raccoon made a jail break. The tipping point came when four monkeys escaped through a rusted hole in the roof of their enclosure. The city's investigation into the incident through the zoo's problems into

even sharper relief. Not only were the metal enclosure's rusting, but floorboards were deteriorating. And there was a foul odor from excess food left to rot. Well, and it's, so it admits its own foul odor, but it's also across the street from the fertilizer. I guess so. Which catches on fire easily. Yeah. Burning shit. And then, uh, don't mind the burning shit and the animals escaping the zoo.

Look at the nice animals. Certain kinds of fertilizer are very flammable. Does that sound? Like if you buy a large quantity of it, you might get a visit from someone. From like the FBI or something. How much for the FBI to come? I don't know. It's like anarchist cookbook shit.

Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. Little is known when happened to the animals When the zoo closed apparently Some have been transferred to other zoos And some released into the wild The bird enclosures remained as the city aviary Into the 1940s even as the property was leased for the city

I guess the whole thing was sold in 1945 Nicholson went into a successful career As a salesman and radio store owner He also served on the Orlando City Council And was a founder of Goodwill Industries of Central Florida He later bought a small island on Bay Lake Where he raised That's all before?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's his path to the island? Wow. Wow. After a stunning series of successes, setting up a easily escapable zoo, an island was his reward. Those animals were lawyers and paralegals.

They were just going to client meetings. The monkey judge, the lawyer deer, you know. That's Florida law for you, baby. Easier to get your way, yeah, when the judge is an ape. Yeah. Well, he also, though, I saw that he purchased the island for $800. Yes, I saw that.

So that's not, all right, I could see that all of that ultimately knitted him. Well, all right, it took 15 years of shady zookeeping. Look what I got. $800 entire dollars. Island, here I come. A couple of bunk radios that lit a bunch of fertilizer on fire. It was like the action park of zoos. Constant calamity.

Now I wish this was the full Orlo Zoo episode. Yeah, Orlo Zoo might be a better topic, actually. What we're saying is there's a fine linear history of calamity leading to this island. Yes. Sure, yeah. The path to the island. The island was built on the backs of hurt animals. Oh, man.

Tackling bucks also. Oh, my God. Yeah. They were later fed to the snake. In front of children. The snake quickly became the world's biggest snake, if also the pointiest. I'm bringing 35 snakes to this park. I'm going to tell you all about them, and I'm going to do a live feeding in front of all the kids.

And now you're going to be excited for my zoo, right? Is that right? Yes. That's really why they changed the name from Treasure Island. Not because a live-action Disney movie was not well received. They switched, you mean from the old, his old history of feeding animals? Right? Well, they tried to keep up the tradition, you know.

Yeah, because we said it yet on the show. Initially, it was not called Discovery Island. It was called Treasure Island. Treasure Island. Well, and even before that, so they wanted this to be, can I pause really quick and ask? Because just one thing before we move on from Radio Nick here. One thing that I couldn't find any of the histories is what happened to him? And did he give his island to Disney willingly?

Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, he, I don't, yeah, how much does it say how much he sold it for? I think there were owners after him. Oh, okay. So he's out of the picture. Like a hunting preserve and like. He, according to his last rites and dying wishes, he was fed to a snake. He passed away in 1978.

Okay. At the age of 79. Great. Never having seen his dream of a public zoo in Orlando come true. But what was Orlo's zoo all about that? Well, it was like... A calamity? A calamity.

Because they were to close, so it was... Oh, it's a Jurassic Park. It never... It unraveled before it. That's what it sounds like to me, yeah. Okay. Wait a minute. He died in 1978.

This opened in 1974. Did he ever, like, for old... time's sake, let's just pop on over. You know? Yeah, possibly just unleashed a sack full of snakes. See what happens. He tried to get away in the sunken pirate ship that was on the beach at one point. I believe Mike and I rented a boat many years ago at this point, a little pup-put boat.

And like, we definitely eyeballed that island a little. We drove, yeah, 2019. Because it was also, this was next to river country. Yeah. Which is another long abandoned. Or now that's been developed on? I don't know. I don't think there's like the rotting carcass of it there anymore.

Yeah. The hotel, there's that reflection. The hotel is supposed to come next year or two. Okay. But back then it was still like, because there are plenty of like urban explorers looking at river country as well. Sure, yes. Yeah.

I saw somewhere refer to this area. I guess Bay Lake in general as Disney World's Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. This is where all the most cursed stuff goes. Some of which are innocuous. Some of which are like, remember, there was a train in the Fort Wilderness area and it didn't run for that long.

Then all the way up to there was brain-eating bacteria that ended River Country, which I don't know that that's true, but either way, it's an area where things are not really stuck right next to one of the most attended theme parks in the world. Yeah. And River Country I did go too. We have a lot of footage of me at River Country. Okay. Maybe two different trips.

But yeah, we didn't know next door was just a bunch of cranes or birds. Wow. Yeah, yeah. You didn't realize it. You could have done it. Not far away. Anyway, okay. So, yes, they, you know, they end up owning this island, whether they took it peacefully or

had to seize it from some family. I do not know, but it became Disney's little island. Walt passes away before anything could be properly figured out to do there, but they know they want to do something and they wanted to do it when all of Disney World opens in 71. And they felt confident enough about that that in old maps of the property,

which at that time pre-epicod, there's less property, you know? So here's the Magic Kingdom Resort area and the island is on it, and they label it Blackbeard's Island. So that's just floated out there as like something that's coming. Remember, come back next year because there's Blackbeard's Island. But they bail on that and it becomes Treasure Island, which is maybe more open-ended and maybe there's more name recognition

from the book and the film. And it does open is that. April 8, 1974, it opens as Treasure Island. It has a big shipwreck, as you described. The Hispaniola, I want to say. It is, I recognize this and know this largely from this one 1978 Christmas special, which has a really fun performance of the song Worlds Away by the band Pablo Cruz. Oh, yeah.

There's a quick hit of that. And listeners, what I am showing the guys is, you know, some heavily permed and mustachioed men screeching falsetto in a shot that just eerily has a a vulture more prominently in the frame than them. Yeah. As if the fifth member of Pablo Cruz was a vulture. It's a fun performance. I'm sure I've talked about it before because I like it. It's mostly set on the island and with the natural production value of the wrecked pirate ship behind them and on the sand and they write their logo in the sand.

But it's a cool performance because then it's like bopping around the other. It's showing all that vacation king. them shit. It's them on the little paddle boats and, you know, a parasailing or whatever the hell you did at Disney World at that time. So it's fun. But then they're also pushing, they're trying to tie together, obviously, for any future visitors to Treasure Island. The dual premise going on, which is that it's, because at some point calculated it's a pirate island, but what if that only appeals to little boys? Is there anything else we can do with this island? And also, pirate attractions are complicated to build.

And we already got pirates of the Caribbean. So what else do we do? Well, what if there's a bunch of birds there? Thus, you end up with Pablo Cruz hanging out with the angriest looking vultures. And then just kind of like iguanas around. I got a smoke machine blast in some treasure props. I like a good, like, cobbled together premise. A little half and half idea for a park.

So, yeah, fun. I dig it. Yeah. I've got some footage of the more like dry Disney promotional stuff. Okay. That Brighton films found in one of their Discovery Island videos. The idea of recreation means relaxation, pure and simple. Taking in the quiet moments and admiring nature at her best.

There is such a corner of the world. Actually, it's an island in the middle of Bay Lake. transformed into a beautiful zoological garden. Zoh, huh? That's like a mic pronunciation. I say zo, it's fun. Zoh, it sounds different. Yeah, something better.

Zoological. Zohieper. It's fun. Try saying it. I don't know if I've ever heard that pronunciation. Later in the video, they're talking about birds, you know, having offspring. And they're like, and there's another kind of bird that's in the family way. And I'm like, what year was this in the family way?

What does that mean? Yeah, what are you talking about? What does it mean? Oh, pregnant. Oh, that's someone who is pregnant is in the family way. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever heard that. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you know it before? Was that a euphemism? Yeah, that was a million-year-old thing that I knew for sure. But I was like, even in the 70s, I was like, wow, they were really. trying to keep it clean even back then. Do you remember someone in your family saying that someone you was in the family way? No, but I think I remember it on Nick a night.

Hmm. It's nicer than to protect the modesty of those birds. Yes. And not use the deeply offensive term pregnant. What a foul phrase that is. I mean, if you really unpack it, it's not saying pregnant because you don't want to imagine the birth and then you put the idea of like a vagina in everybody's mind. Like why?

Why would they not? I mean, that's a good guess, but that's insane. Well, but why else wouldn't you just say pregnant? Yeah, I don't know.

Like, why did it have to be so covered up in language? A little child can know about the word pregnant. My son was growing up with a pregnant mom and we didn't, he, I don't think he was imagining anything like that. No, I don't think so either.

I'm just trying to think about the psychology of the time. is that like if you say pregnant then you just start thinking of the birth and then like you put everyone's head everyone's head at the same time they're thinking about like a woman's vagina giving birth like fluids and crowning just like why why so it has to be that is the most unnecessary thing to censor we're assuming that it's censorship and not just like a sweet little turn of phrase yeah like think about it through jason's prison this isn't something that he said

it doesn't sound like but i could see him I could see you saying it just in a like, oh, it's nice. Oh, so Aaron is in the family way, is she? Dictionary.com says it's a euphemism that dates back to the 1700s. Wow. So, of course, I know it. Of course. It's from Johnny Tremaine's era.

Well, they would whisper. I'd probably whisper it too. Like, she's in the family way. It's like, if you whisper it at least, you can also like diminish the amount of vagina you're imagining. Like that's a different, it's a softer way to say it. It's a strange. I don't know. This is where I can't tell if you are guessing what somebody else would be saying it for or if that is what you yourself are going to.

When I think I'm pregnant, I think vagina. You go straight to. No, I don't think I think. I mean, I'm just, I don't think this is some weird unpacking of my brain. I mean, I guess anything I say on some level is. But I think I'm just trying to imagine what it really was the objection at the time to like being so, like, oh my God, someone's pregnant. Like, I think it has to be like, just have to do with like body parts.

Why else would it be that way? But there's nothing about the word pregnant itself. I agree with you. Yeah, that could mean anything you want to imagine. They're trying to protect the monosy of those ibises. Because like the whole like people not sleeping in the same bed if they were married on TV, that's certainly to make sure that the public doesn't imagine Lucy and Desi having sex. They can't not even imagine.

that part of it. So they have to be in twin beds so you don't even think that these two people might be making love ever. Yeah, sure. Yeah. And you thank them for that. You think you write Desilu productions or whoever owns that. Thank you very much. Who owns that title now. I want to go back that way. I don't want to have to think about married people. I'll start watching linear television again. I'll watch CVS. But I won't watch that filthy modern family until I can't think of Ty Borell and Julie. What's her name? Bowen. Bowen, thank you.

Making love. I will not hear of it. By the way, there's a movie from 1966 called The Family Way that stars Disney legend herself, Haley Mills. And also on the poster, it says, after saying that it's in Technicolor, it says music by Paul, Beetle, McCartney. Whoa. First of all, what the hell is this movie that at the Beatles height, there's Paul McCartney music? And then also that like we better like all right so should we heavily feature that it's music by Paul McCartney Nobody's gonna know who that is you're gonna have to say he's one of those Beatles the beat they are and not might as well call him Beatles one through four

No one knows that he does not have the name recognition of Family Way star Highwell Bennett Well in the Sheridan house he did it Yeah I was gonna say that seems like a name that I said a lot Paul McCartney. It was Highwell Mania in our house. They were not watching the Ed Sullivan show. They were watching him on another network. When young girls see Highwell Bennett coming, it turns into an absolute zo.

Haley, they credit her in trap that Haley in the family way Mills. Oh, yeah, yeah. How else will we know? Yeah. Who is that? Oh, from the family. Oh, okay. Yeah, she's older.

No, I'm familiar. She was good as criminal profile. So the island is in this odd zone of like it's kind of a zoological experience, but also a pirate thing. And they've announced like some, it's like a restaurant and a cave or something. And then they never quite get it together to build the cave. And they're blaming it on OPEC. The oil crisis. Oh, the oil.

It's 73 oil crisis. Can't expect us to build a cave. You got OPEC going. on. Yeah. So they got to back off of that and then they decide to lean into one of their components more than the other. And thus the name

Treasure Island starts to feel kind of inappropriate. I forget when they make the name switch. It's like two or three years in. It's pretty quick. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But so they rename it to Discovery Island.

The name comes from a contest with among cast members, people working there? Do you want to pick the new name of the island? And they held a contest, and the winner was Discovery Island, which came straight from a cast member. And their prize was $50.

Okay. That buys a lot of gas in 19703. That's true. Oh, wait, there was another weird thing. I think while it was still Treasure Island, if I'm not incorrect, yeah, I think so. they are

they're folding this into the broader Disney Enterprise they're doing cross promotional stuff and there is a campaign there's a poster I'm looking at

that says you may win a spectacular $25,000 rescuers diamond at Walt Disney World and this is a contest brought to you by Disney

and GE here in our current merged many layers corporate world. It's weird to imagine Disney and GE working together. Always they did for Carousel of Progress and stuff like that. Anyway, what a weird, like, and then it's a poster

with the rescuers, and they're like flying around in a big leaf. And then a diamond is drawn next to them as if in a coloring book. They did not spend a lot of time on that diamond. We just put a diamond next to them. It looks like the Bob Newart one's looking at it. There's no dimension.

No, that is a flat... Flat diamond. It's a flat diamond. That looks like a guide to how to fold up a paper airplane. I heard real, it is related. I never heard this before. They were thinking Cruel de Ville was going to be the villain and the rescuers. Whoa. Yeah.

That's cool. That would have been cool. Because isn't the villain kind of just a madamee, like a little sidestep of Currilla deVille? Which is really interesting. I mean, we can get off, it's all theme park related, but there was like a rumor they were going to do like a madameeim restaurant or something or like in the villains's land. But now they're talking about, these. These villain lands are suck. They're all over the place.

They're all over the place. Yeah. Because what have you heard? There's an Emperor's New Groove coaster, which seems like, sure, build that. But like, in the villains land, it's that. That's what we've been waiting for. The mention, I think I posed about this, but the phrase, there's going to be a dinner show. And it's like, no, that's never going to happen.

Every park, they say there's going to be, and that's the first thing. That's a good point. Yeah, that's never. The Chanitiki Room was a dinner show. That never happened. The long history of this. There's concept art, Fertune Lagoon of Ruff House's restaurant in. Is that a show?

That would have been, huh? Was that a dinner show? Yeah, that would have been a dinner show. I don't think it got very far. With Ruff House. Say no more. Got it. Rough House.

The chef from Popeye that is really put out by Wimpy's antics. Yeah, yeah. Well, if you're, yeah, if you've got such a famous. rabbit hamburger lover knocking at your kitchen door all the time. He's not paying that tab. Jason's more of a fan of Roughhouse than Paul Beatle McCartney for sure. His favorite.

There was this rumor that Ruff House was dead for a while. Jason was extremely dismayed. Well, and now Ruff House, of course, has been replaced by a clone like most celebrities. The original Villainsland was like Maleficent Coaster and I don't remember what the E-Ticket was but now it's like Emperor's New Groove Coaster Kitty Coaster Slinky Dog type

Fine Family Coaster And then Maleficent E-Ticket Okay Which like sure Sure Good But I was like

I still don't understand why you wouldn't make all the villains Be on the E-Ticket It's a villain's land Yeah The promise of all the villains coming together Should be fulfilled on the E-Ticket And every villain coaster

Yeah Or a dark right of some kind, which they did have an idea for bald mountain years ago that would end with a big crazy Chernabog, but all the villains were on it. So I think it was a coaster of some kind. Wow. And from the sound of it, it sounds amazing. And I'm like, this is the, this, do this.

Yeah. It sounds amazing until you realize the churnabog is going to break and then be in B mode for the rest of the distance of the ride that big. That's his own fire. He, not from breathing fire, just like a line, a nash, a line. natural gas line in his neck lights up. They just plug some things in wrong. But the word is that they like,

we can't make this very scary, this whole thing. This can't be that scary. Come on. I know. We'll see. I mean, maybe that's wrong. But like, yeah, they were like,

the rumors just all feel so, none of that feels right. I don't believe these. Well, the Madame Mim restaurant rumor in the old thing or whatever it was. She was, like, people were like, why is this? What?

Is that a fake thing? We got your letters. I don't know why. you wouldn't make it what's the name from Emperor's New Yasmi Yeah

Yes Yasmin Bleath Yeah Yeah Yeahzmin bleat A villain But the earth It's Earth a kid

Right In the movie Yeah Have her host a show Or Well she's got a ride There's a ride Supposedly

And if it's her Yeah That's the villain So But I don't Yeah I don't know When you think of

Villains Land You think of like Oh my God They're gonna go nuts Yeah I also picture I always thought it would be like a, like, all right, we're just doing steel roller coasters.

Like, it's like scary or, right? Yeah, that sure, yeah. Yeah. I feel like wasn't there that rumor that there was a full, like, villains part that is less themed and more just crazy coasters. That was a Disneyland. That was an old rumor, I think. Yeah.

And then there was also, like, there was an idea to replace Paradise Pier with, like, villains as well. I don't know how far that got along, but, uh, yeah, no, it sounds a little underwhelming, especially if it's not going to be, like, scary at all. So, I don't know. Hopefully that's strong. Are they just going to fold the Hall of Presidents into villains' land? Yeah, just slowly.

And now, re-themed that area. And now history's greatest killers. Yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, just sprinkle the Disney villains in there. In the groups of the buildings. Notting to each other. Yeah, yeah. They all get along.

Anyways, I don't know where in the history also. I think this might be post the name change, but you guys probably ran into this too, that the, you know, hey, we've got this island and we've got like a, a good little shipwreck. This would pop on film, why we can use real Discovery Island

in our upcoming film, Treasure of Matacumbay from 1976. This is a movie starring, unfortunate, later participant in the Twilight Zone movie, Vic Morrow. And it involved, this is on Disney, but you can watch this movie on Disney Plus. The finale happens at Discovery Island.

But it involves, in reading the synopsis, I'm like, whoa, what? It's like set post-Civil war. And it involves a former slave child throwing Molotov cocktails at the KKK. Hmm. That's kind of awesome. Yeah. Cool. Seems a cool thing to get to do.

Were you in that situation? But, yeah, this is something. you can pull up on Disney Plus. I don't know how many people do. I have to quickly issue a correction. I was incorrectly calling Madam Mim, or I was calling Madam Medusa, Madame Mim. Madam Mim is from Sword and the Stone.

Madam Medusa is the villain and the rescuers. So I must apologize. You know there were a bunch of nerds who knew that. You losers who knew that. I'm turning it back on you. For the second time, nerd. I knew what I was doing just to get you upset. So you fool for it again.

He's hoping for a full-service restaurant called Madams, and it's Madame Mim, Madam Medusa, and Madam Puppet. Yes, please. Pray that they never attain those intellectual property. Don't order that. Terribly undisalted. The most valuable, every theme park has been waiting to snatch that up. Because if you make a 3D madam, that's in the medium that Madam was in.

That's what's so exciting. Yeah. In a Madam Dark Ride, when Madam's talking to you. Oh, man, I'm imagining like a horror movie, like teaser poster, 2026 teaser poster, and it's Madam the puppet in silhouette. And it's all dark and that it just says, Madam underneath in pink. Directed by Mike Carlson. Oh, yeah, okay.

You know, actually, you know, I know not Disney owned, but should be if they knew what they were doing. You throw Madam Webb in there and now I'm back in. I like Madam Webb so much it cancels out, Madam. Madam Webb technically still own, I mean, movie rights by Sony. Yeah. But you could, I guess you could do, like, as long as they made a deal, you could do Madam Webb and some ride out here. So you could have her feature. I mean, she could be in the Spider-Man ride.

Yeah, yeah. Could do an overlay. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dakota Johnson intro. I'll get in those meet and greets. That's the first line. getting in. I saw an article

in the trades a while back that was like, Sony is rethinking the Spider-Man universe. And if I was give my two cents, I would say include Spider-Man in the Spider-Man universe. The villains are less compelling

without the hero. That's quitter talk, I think. Oh, okay. I just got to do this a couple more times and it'll work. Same cast, same creative team, just try them again. And as long as you're holding on to those rights, you're winning. It doesn't matter how the movies are received.

I have the rights. I win. Dakota Johnson could be on the Avengers ride because it's multiverse, so you have all the characters. Oh, yeah. You could have her pop up. So that first ride through, most people baffled me like, yes. What you redo, it's the multiverse, so it's that gag scene of them eating Schwarma at the end of the Avengers. but it's Mataweb, Craven the Hunter, Venom, Vulture.

My Avengers, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The best superheroes. Yeah. The guy who wants spiders, my spiders. I don't want Shorma. I want my spiders. Is it Moorland?

I think Morlund. That's the character? I think that's the character. It's the spider guy? Yeah, I think they drew from the comics. I love him too. Character created by. co-created by

thank J. Michael Strzinski, creator of Babylon 5. He was writing Spider-Man for a number of years. He's like another vampire, right? Vampire guy? He's like a spider-based vampire. Yeah, he is kind of morbidious

now that I say that. Spider-based vampire. Yeah, let's go with that. He's got like the thing and the cloak and the long hair. He's spider-based vampire. What do we have to say about what Discovery Island was like

when it was open? Are we, will we be just back in boring pleasantry territory? Does anything seem, I remember enjoying it in the same way, everything that you said, like a nice thing to do with your mom. It's probably what we did on a morning where dad was golfing. This is a little split up morning. He's trying to avoid that sand trap that's the Mickey year shape. Oh, yeah. And we're checking out this nice little island.

The boats leave probably from contemporary and maybe from Fort Wilderness and a couple places. Ticket and transportation center. So it's a good transportation center. So it's another way to get a little boat ride in. That's nice. It kind of goes in a trail. Like I think you could probably do it in any order that you want, but it's like a numbered trail that,

you know, designed to keep it moving a little bit, you know. Yeah, it's a loop. It's a big loop. It's kind of like a dual loop. Of course. We learned about this on Six Flags Great America. There was a man who invented the way six flags,

some of them are laid out. And it's called a dual loop. as opposed to a spoke like a Disneyland. Oh, gosh. It's a dual loop. Okay. No, I remember. No, I listened.

I remember. Yeah, yeah. I remember the, I liked the dual with Colt, right? That's right. The dual loop talk with Coltled duel. That was the man's name. Oh, yeah, yeah. We've talked to Randall Duel.

Oh, yeah, I know Randall Duel. I know. I totally know. And there's nothing dorky about that. No. You were listening and you were getting angry because you're like, Colt didn't want to have a wrestling theme bar mitzvah. but MJF Maxwell Jacob Friedman

at a wrestling theme bar mitzvah He didn't mention his co-worker Had one Were you spying on me? How did you know that I yelled those exact things And names that I need not repeat Yeah, obviously I have a feeling that actually is what you were thinking

It didn't say on the episode No, I thought of it after we were recorded I thought of it after we recorded And there was one or two listeners who commented that their bar mitzvah was wrestling theme It was probably, yeah, it probably happened. But Colts older, so it wouldn't have been like the cool attitude error. Yeah, well, yeah, early 90s, yeah.

So. Well, let's talk about the Galapagos tortoises and that they had them. Cool, animals, beautiful animals. We've done it. We talked about those. They had storks. They had an American bald eagle. I'm going to salute while we talk about it.

I'm so inspired. They had Patagonia. cavees, you know. That is a thing that I remember latching onto with my mom. She remembered that too. That we were like, what is that? That's a crazy name. And it's like a, I don't know, it's like a giant rabbit. It's like a rabbit

crossed with a kangaroo. That sounds good. I mean, I would like to see a bald eagle. I like seeing a bald eagle, but that sounds extra fun to see. Yeah. Yeah. You learn about a new species. I mean, it seems like this was a good, decent exhibit that got

accredited and was, you know, had various aspects to respect. One of the largest walk-through aviaries in the world. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's, it's a bummer they won't. And it's funny because I calling, like looking at a bunch of animals boring, unfortunately is where we are in 2026 on some level, even though I do like going to a zoo.

But when you're putting it in the context now of what you think Disney World is or Disneyland is, it does seem like a very sleepy thing to do. Yeah. But back in the day, you're like, oh, bald eagle is awesome. I don't know anything else. So, like, seeing a bald eagle, which is the symbol of America, I guess, is like, oh, wow, awesome. But I do wish we could do, like, I do wish they would ever, like, build something sleepy. And I don't think it'll ever happen again.

They'll never build something sleepy like this. Some of the animal kingdom is still sleepy. It is, but that's been retroactively grandfathered. I see. There was still sleepiness allowed in 1998. Right. Because they didn't have a big ride. They didn't have Everest until years later.

Right. So the draw was, okay, it's going to be more imagined scenery, but it's animals. Sure. And I mean, that's a cool idea. But then they were like, quickly like, we're going to get some rides in here. Yeah.

These bloodthirsty theme park fans want some rides. Yeah. So I, but I wish they would build something like that's a real sleepy, boring in a good way. Like little thing to the side in Disney World somewhere, but that's never going to happen. What's the sleepiest thing? they've built in the last 10 years.

This is also a thing I was thinking too recently. They can't build anything sleepy anymore because the main thing they want to do is sell the lightning lanes. Yeah. So they have to have something, and I think this is maybe in the Villainsland article, they have to build stuff that people would pay $30 for. So this is going to incentivize that kind of an experience over something that is just a nice sleepy little thing.

When we're talking about like, well, they ever built like just like a sea ticket dark ride that's not crazy impressive but just fun? No, because you can't do it. It feels like no. That's the business now.

The business is selling. Getting you selling one more ticket while you're in there. Right. That's the business, unfortunately. And like that's the reason we probably won't get anything like this or anything like just small and fun and frivolous. I don't know.

Well, you could have gone and seen the sleepy. Adam Silver statue at the NBA experience, but you didn't. So that was the last chance we had. So that's like we all needed to support that. Yeah, we all need to. It was sleepy mostly because it was empty, you know. Yeah.

It wasn't purposely sleepy. Right, right. We had our shot and we didn't realize we had it. We didn't know at the boring Disney world that we crave. You don't know what you've got until it's gone, unfortunately. Fair right. Yeah, that song set to. the three existing photos of the statue of Adam Silver.

The three people who bothered to take one. I had a track that. I want to know where the statue is. Sorry, if you wish. Well, my version. Well, you know, he does. The yellow taxi, counting crow's version. Yeah, much better, much improved.

Yeah, finally. Yeah, they finally fixed it. Now, that's not to say, though this place was sleepy, there were things about it that were insane, such as how in 1988, Disney worked in conjunction with a group called Helping Hands, Simeon AIDS for the Disabled. In order to, I looked at the pronunciation and I forget it,

Capuchin monkeys. Basically, they were trying to get monkeys to be helper monkeys for quadriplegics. This was a program that was being spearheaded and helped. I guess the program existed, all right. We already have Helping Hands

Simeonades for the disabled but Disney is working with them on Discovery Island to train helper monkeys. How many weeks into this did this get? I have heard of that before but I can't stop thinking

about how that is a storyline in the last season of righteous gemstones. Oh, it is. DJ injures himself in a professional pole dancing competition

and he's in like a back brace and wheelchair and they get him a monkey. And then they get one of the lunches, they get the monkey to smoke a cigarette. Well, that's fun. I mean, yeah, it's, look,

it's, if there wasn't the issue of the potential inhumanity of assigning monkeys to people, it is not, if you could erase that from your mind, the idea that we would leave this record, go out on the street and see, if we go to the market,

we will see at least one or two people with monkeys leading them around. Yeah. It's a night, you can block some aspects from your mind. It's kind of sweet. Just an old lady, like, thank you, dear.

I mean, it's awesome. Thank you, Chester. You would love it if you were, like, shopping and there was just like helper monkeys all over the place. Yeah, and they were just good at it. Mm-hmm.

Like, they could, like, if something was on a high shelf, you were like, oh, excuse me, sir. Yeah. Could you climb the shelf? and get the oatmeal for me? In my wheelchair, I'm stuck down here on the bottom level, and I have to get the bulk cereal instead of the top shelf apple jacks that I crave. Even though, like, you're in line.

If only somebody can climb up there. Mr. Twinkle, can you get me the Apple Jacks box, please? Thank you, Mr. Twinkle. Here's your award, two of the Apple Jacks. I need that thing where you open the thing in the store and start snacking. But you haven't paid for you. I don't know. That's trouble.

Yeah, they don't like that. They start making a mess. Yeah. Yeah, there's various issues with this. Animal rights groups lobbied Disney to end their support of this program. So that was the end of that. We're also trying to teach crickets to be mentors. But it didn't work.

You spent about a month on it and then figured out that that was impossible. And then it's nice. Once they pass, we'll have a big graduation ceremony where we'll hand it. them, their little top hats and little coats. Yeah. So that happened in 88, and then the corporate entity was like, we're so pissed.

A year later still, we're so pissed. We got to kill some fucking birds. Yeah, yeah, we didn't get out. We got to burke some birds. We did not get out our animal rage. It's still building in us. Yeah, because those things happened very close. This was 88 that they were working on simeonades.

and then 89 some shit hits the fan because so this is a place where like many many birds live here some endangered there is one species that i don't think by disney's fault ended at the discovery island no they were trying to save it we're trying to save it the last the last dusky seaside sparrow died on discovery island wow there was only a few left. They were all males and then the last recording one, because every now and then they find birds and forests, serene forests. Oh, okay, but the last one anybody saw. Wow, wow. And they kept

it alive for like nine years, I think it's sad. So in this area of Walt Disney World, this area of Walt Disney World saw the end of the dusky seaside sparrows and the Beatles. Not too far for each other. Yeah, right. They both went out a little bit of

a different way, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah, one one with the signing of a form, the other with dying. The paperwork was delivered at Disney World, but there was some. There was an issue with it. Incorrect things. So it was a separate Florida hotel that was finally signed at. Is that true? That's a debunked aspect of the Beatles were dissolved at Polynesian story.

I think the papers were delivered. But then there was an issue and he had to like do something else elsewhere. So like in a way he was doing it. of course they were done already, but there was maybe some just clerical error. He didn't lick the envelope. Something. Something along those lines.

The problem was he was like, John Lennon, we should be clear. Yeah, yeah. Talking about. Yeah. Wait, and let's be extra clear. John, the Beatles. The Beatles, Lenin, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Anyways, well, let's, how quickly can we move past the bird abuse? What I was, it was that the, there's a lot of birds that they raise. there, but then some birds showed up that they did not want. Black vultures were around and bothering other birds

and shitting on the ground. It just kind of attracted birds that were more of a nuisance. And Disney, you know, tried to respect and get rid of them in an inhumane way. Or in a humane way. Yes. And then it became an inhumane way.

Yeah, I don't know. They have like shot vultures and they shot vultures. There were rumors of some shootings and beatings. God. But the thing that's pretty well documented, at least in the Orlando Sentinel and UPI. Do we need to issue a content warning?

Yeah, content warning for one of the craziest things you've ever heard. Oh, man, I had the verbiage. You don't have to find it. Maybe it's better if you don't find it. Basically, there was like 19 vultures that they put in, in the said unventilated shed. His shed was supposed to hold three vultures. And they left him in there and they got cooked.

They were heated and died. Jeez. And that was an accident or they were doing that on purpose? Do we know? I think it was, it said it was an accident. I knew me, new meal at the Hoopty Doe musical review. Fresh fried vulture. They were trying something new out.

Alabama-style fried vulture. Here they did get permission to trap and relocate 100 black vultures. But also there was an area of Discovery Island called the vulture haunt. So I was trying to figure out what were these the existing vultures that were bothering guests and birds, or were these other vultures who showed up where it's like... These were new vultures maybe. There were Disney-owned vultures. There's Disney vultures, and then there's invader vultures.

Invasive, but yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, a lot of this stuff obviously probably was covered up, so we don't know. Well, yeah, they paid out rather than going to court. Yeah. The company did. Yeah, it did make it to the media, which I don't know if it would today. They might have more of a lock on things.

Maybe. I mean, there was that when Animal Kingdom Open, they had some issues that I feel like were covered in the media. But I don't know. at the time, yeah. Yeah. 70s feels like the Wild West still, but maybe that's not right. Yeah, I don't know. Well, none of this was enough to stop Friskies from sponsoring the island.

Different species, different species. We have no concerns with that does not affect us. You think we don't end up with a little bit of ground up vulture in the friskies? It just, it happens, especially now. Did Friskeys? Sometimes vultures fly in there. What are you going to do? Is one of the,

Foods on the RFK Food Pyramid Crushed up Vulture. It's possible. What are you going to eat for the Super? What's your go-to Super Bowl snack? Well, that brought us to get some vulture powder. He said people should eat more liver. He heard a football called a pigskin.

He just got a fork and knife and started chowling down on one. Deep Frisky sponsor, the thirsty perch, snack bar and souvenir shop. I would, I doesn't seem appropriate if it's a human food. Yeah, I would not, I would not particularly want a human snack stand to be operated by frisgis.

Cold fish, you know, and a hot day, cold fish. Yeah, you two, you two freaks, speak for yourself.

Yeah. Cold fish like Heathcliff would steal from a local market. I feel like Heathcliff has come up in every single episode all year. Listeners do the check on that. Yes, but personally, And personally, I think that's a product of me disappearing for a few. That's one of the first things that happens is that Heathcliff has mentioned in every episode instead of most.

He has come up. The sexy girl one. I swear, I'm listening to these, including to the Colt one that I listened to, obviously, because I knew about the duel. I don't think he came up. I don't think Heathcliff or Cleo or Riffra came up on that one. So I know. But in the other ones, I'm listening to, like, Cleo again? Well, Jason keeps bringing up Cleo because that's not.

That's not true. No, that's not true. You bring up Cleo to try to get him cooking. Yeah, and it does. It works. Steam starts coming out of his ears because he thinks of himself as a riffraff. Michael, Michael, no one should terrorize Jason. He's imagining himself as a riffraff with the hat.

Yeah, and the cape. Well, I have cane. Multiple can scatter around the house. Your part way to riffraff. That's the glass half full way to look at things. Now I'm more like riffraff. Right. So yeah, they're going to come up.

These characters will come up. That's your way to try to get old-bodied Jason going again. If I just keep mentioning his hall pass. Right. Thirsty perch, interesting, son on the sign. Refreshments, souvenirs, lost and found, locker renters, locker rentals, binocular rentals. I haven't encountered a Disney experience where you can rent a binocular. I like the binocular singular that you just said.

Rent a binocular. Rent a binocular. Well, that's one of those Disney upcharged things. Oh, you wanted two? Oh, you wanted the buy. Okay, okay. That's how the nickel and diming started. One dollar for one binocular.

I asked for a binocular, not a monocular. One is just a telescope, right? One binocular? I think so, yeah. It's just like a telescope. You need to have two to be the... Extendable. Yeah.

They got rid of those when they got rid of Treasure Island, the extent of the telescope. That's a good point. Do you guys have memories of taking binoculars to concerts? I took binoculars somewhere and I can't remember where. And I feel like it was like my grandparents were like, we have binoculars for you at whatever we're doing. And I cannot remember what it was. I just remember this was a fairly common thing from my dad. if I would go to concerts with my dad,

you know, as my first several stints of seeing the Beach Boys were, he would, he would, in a pre-concert screens time, at a time before there was video more commonly. And he had like a, he had like, I felt like a leather. Yeah, we had a brief, like, people were like, people had binoculars. What am I doing? I'm letting my kids down. I do not go anywhere with binoculars.

And I certainly don't have a fancy binocular case. Yeah. We had a small pair in the family beach bag when we'd go to the beach. Because you could see helicopters or boats out. Or the planes, a lot of buy planes flying banners on the back down the Jersey shore. And you want to be able to read about the fish house deal. To know what products to buy or what radio stations to listen to? Bucket of Bud Light, $9. Pretty cool.

And also if there was like a sexy lady cat on the beach that you could look over at. Yeah. You know, just a little. What's that on those tin trash cans down there? Is that Cleo? Getting a little sun, huh? I'm looking at the trash can. I see a full fish skeleton and I'm getting hungry.

Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I think it maybe was some sort of concert. I'm not sure. But, like, yeah, that would be a big thing. It feels like a holdover of, like, opera glasses. Oh, yeah. Like, whenever, like, just like you'd hold up so you can see better. But I don't.

Do you think even one person? and took, in the many dates of the sizable eras tour, did one attendee in a very back row take opera glasses. Yes. To get a better view. There were so many people. It's like statistically impossible that not, like there was for sure one. I think so.

But also like, then it requires like that you, if you're like a haughty enough person to have opera glasses, or maybe you're just attending the eras tour because it's, like a major, like, well, I read about it in the newspaper. It seems like a popular, it seems like an era, like a, eras defining event. Well, if you're saying that the person with the opera glasses had to have the attitude of like a snooty opera goer, then, I mean, wouldn't you? Did people just have opera glasses regular? I wonder if you could buy opera glasses and then like bedazzle them and sort of bring opera glasses into the new century. Make opera glasses cool. I think you got a good shark tank area here. Because like, the opera

glasses in my mind, you hold them, like you have like a little stick and the glasses are kind of like binoculars. Am I wrong? This would really be a great shark tank product because you know all of like this is a product most people wouldn't understand or get behind but the sharks would be like, well, of course I have 20 pairs of opera glasses and I've long wanted somebody to jazz them up. You know, so I'm interested. I do want to ask if we can make it a royalty then. Yeah. So these are like binoculars but with a little stick. Yeah.

So if you're doing that in this year, I feel like maybe you want to, you want to stand out a little bit more. That feels like not necessarily you're like kind of an aristocrat or anything. That's more of like I want to be like different from the regular binoculars people. Now I am pretty immediately seeing bedazzled opera glasses. These definitely exist and I and maybe I was making a leap by saying that these are a haughty item because I'm looking like on Amazon there like $27. I don't know what made me as I guess just it being opera the opera aspect. I assume that for some reason, well, they must be molded out of brass only, the same brass that would go into an instrument in the orchestra pit.

And like only one family makes them. Like only in Italy, this one family, they know the secret and it's been passed down. Now you can, you can, like, you know, they're pink, you can get them on Amazon. Those look cool. Yeah. I also have some pink ones up here. Big bear of those did the sphere. Cover cover them in whiteout

So they can match your backstreet boys outfit For the for the Yeah bands if you want to see the band Like if you want to see the humans If you want to see the band Do not use them on the wall You will immediately get Vertigo and fall over

You'll go blind And not the like cool you two No yeah You'll get you'll immediately get vertigo If they make that the first song in their set But otherwise You'll immediately get the other kind of vertigo.

Wizard of Oz also don't bring them. I mean, though I sort of want to so I can stare at like the gaping maw of every AI created munchkin and just like look at one face at a time.

And you look around and every other person is just like, this is the greatest show I've ever seen. It was worth the $200 and you're the only person in there going, look at this weird AI munchkin. I'm the only person having any sort of problem with it.

This is seemingly massively successful. It's so successful. Yeah, yeah. It's just insane. It's, and then Tolan and the other guy in the boat during the tornado. Zazlov. Zazlov and Dolan, yeah. Yeah.

So, that's him flying away from the merger. Are you forgetting the effects guy really madly posted on like LinkedIn or Facebook or something? It was like, we didn't use the AI. A lot of effects artists worked on this. And it's like, Oh, okay.

You're saying a lot of effects artists did a bad job. They did this thing that looks like shit. Made this horrifying thing. Looks worse than AI. That is apparently printing money. But somehow it's caused the sphere to lose even more money when it started making money. Well, now finally, we are on the path to start turning a profit in nine years. No, they're probably good, right?

It seems like they're probably good. I don't know. Oh, my God. Well, we'll know if they start, like, he's done it again. He was going to start building one in Iran, but they're canceling that one. They're doing a new version of Wizard Oz, too. They're going to update it. So coming, I think maybe by the end of the year, there'll be an even newer version,

maybe with new scenes closer to the full length of the actual movie. I don't know. And then even longer appearance from James Dolan. Maybe a whole scene. Maybe a whole scene of James Dolan talking to Dorothy. I think I made this joke already where he's like, he thanks Dorothy at the end of the movie. for helping sphere. Spheres in the world too.

You see it there and then you stretch out. Or Oz is sphere. You could change Oz into Sphere in the movie. Oh, sure. And that's where Dorothy's going. Let me show you your true reward, Dorothy. Many years from now, after you and your friends are long dead, sorry to break the news.

Many will be entertained by your hijinks and your journey here in the most spectacular venue ever built. And his head is in the Wizard of Oz. He is the Wizard of a scene. Yeah, and he just keeps going on it. So, in summary, Q2 is looking pretty good. So we're going to build a new one in London. Metallica is coming here in a few weeks.

It's going to be nice. We've got the Eagles, not the band. We're just going to release a bunch of Eagles in the sphere. Just release a bunch of Eagles. Watch your head. Hopefully we'll ventilate it enough. They don't all drop to the ground. Yeah.

The Such crystal clear video When we show his mountain scene All the Eagles fly directly into the screen They think it's sky It's a problem He's got Splat Splat Splat they go

We were talking about this on an episode before I'm sure right But like what's the next movie He's gonna bastardize Oh yeah Like back to the future Like is there some Oh man

That feels like the right Type of movie right That is beloved by everyone Bob Gale is salivating. Oh, Bob Gail cannot wait. His computer electrocuted. So much drool came out of his mouth. It feels right to me.

He cannot wait to ruin. That feels right to me. I think Zemeckis might not like it if they did that. But it feels right. At last, we can see every detail. We've added 10,000 extras to the Enchantment Under the Sea dance. The dance is now set in, you guessed it, the sphere. here.

No, Zemakis is on board if it's just they replace Hill Valley with Marwa. And his wife can be no longer Lorraine. It's Zemachus is white. This is a burlesque performer wife. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah. Zemex is like, no, absolutely not.

This will ruin the franchise and destroy. Wait a minute. You said it's going to be really creepy looking? I'm in. They accidentally had human. hands to Einstein. Error when they were rendering it.

Einstein has more fingers than I remember. Kagan Michael Key, Honest John is just in it now for some reason. They licensed CG, honest John. We're putting the canceled yellow submarine Beatles in it. Oh, I wish that existed.

Oh, that's great. Well, let's hope. I hope it's, you know what, that's fine. That's fine. I want to go. I'll pay $200 to see a disgusting Sting back to the future. I've had enough.

I've had enough good memories of the original non-nauseating one. We've got to get a meeting with him and pitch the worst ideas to ruin the movie. All right. Glenn Powell, Wyatt Russell. King and Michael Key is Doug Brown. Hell, he played double duty. You're talking about reshooting the movie as well. Yeah, a whole new movie.

I love it. I want to use a computer to ruin it. That's what I want. I guess we all have to debate this before. I just want to ruin it visually. What if Copperfield just buys a sphere and a fire sale? Copperfield and a group of gambling YouTubers, like a collective of insanely wealthy gambling YouTubers.

Are you allowed to buy things when you're in prison? That's my question. Absolutely. When he's got his underworld island contacts, you can always. He's not going to buy. He's going to use a beard. He's going to use like Vegas Matt or something to buy it. Yeah, beard.

That's what you call it when like a famous person gets a friend or family member to gamble for them. Is it? I've only heard it in the context of when someone is trying to hide that they're gay. Yeah. But that is also used for gambling and stuff. Yeah, I believe it is also used for gambling. I mean, it makes sense. Actors and athletes who don't want to be associated with.

I've just never heard it. Mobsters. Sure. And this is Jason's plan to, so they. he can try to keep playing the little shop before his penny slots. He's got a beard out of Vegas right now. He's sending a beard.

Yeah, we are doing this. Somebody check that machine. If you're listening and you're in Vegas, you're with Jason Sheridan, aren't you? I lost 50 bucks at the sportsbook on one Phillies game, and I still resent the whole city. Jason, we're down $1.45 in the little shop.

Are you sure you want to keep playing? Take it to $2.10. Are you crazy? He's lost his money. I won't do it. I know you're paying me to be here, but even a beard has limits. I'm sick all you, Max bet it $7. No, this will ruin you.

You need help, Jason. I'm done being your beard. There's a phone number on this machine. I'm going to take a picture of it and send it to you. Call it. Get some help. Okay. I feel like we can sort of move on from the day to day of the...

Oh, you know what I sound is that the... Some of how they spread the word about Discovery Island is that you... When, you know, we now we know we go to the Orlando airport and you get a little taste of Disney magic when you get there from the, you know, from the store, just from displays, promoting the new ride or whatever. But at the time, they promoted in the Orlando Airport Discovery Island. And they promoted it with a cage full of birds. They made birds live in the airport. I mean, that's a cool airport to live in. There's a hotel, you know.

Yeah. I love the airport. There's no doubt about it. No, no, no, none of this is shade on the airport. The universal store now. A real big. As you said, airport, I did picture being there and I'm going, I'd like to be in that airport right.

You were like, I don't know what point Scott is making. This airport is perfect and untouchable. Scott, get over it. The birds are gone. They haven't had the birds in a long time. Get over it. They have the display case of the sculpture of the tired dead. They nicknamed them.

The patron saint of Orlando. Yeah. They nicknamed them lucky birds because they were the. the luckiest birds for where they were forced to live. Watching the hustle and bustle of travelers, the smell of in-airport food. Lucky birds, yeah, because they get to live. Well, that helps too. Yeah.

Anyways, so, you know, this is open and just quietly plugging along and like a nice thing they could promote on little videos like the one you played Jason. And, you know, a perfect thing to learn about it in a little in-room video. That's all right, I got a lazy day. I'll go to Discovery Island. Sounds nice. But then the shit starts hitting the fan when they announce a giant animal themed theme park that will feature much crazier animals that require more space and are more exciting to see elephants and lions and such. Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my, to bring up Mr. Dolan's work.

He'll add a couple animals into that. Many more. Coons and dogs. He feels like there's an opportunity to see the lions and the tigers and the bears and also many more animals floating around the sky and then send them around as drones. Just grabbing his assistance. I was on the internet. I saw a funny animal video.

Did you know there's funny animal videos on the internet? We got to put that wizard of ours. Dorothy should have a phone. She should watch videos that are funny. Access YouTube and show the screen the video she's watching. We watched that for a few minutes. That'll cheer them up on their video. They got a long walk.

How are they going to entertain themselves? She could play fun videos if the viral fails and standups insulting hecklers. Charged into the cowardly line. I'm booted up Instagram. There's all these standups yelling at the audience. It's pretty cool. I can't imagine that. It charges $50 more.

ticket now. It's $2.50, but people love it and they pay it. It's even better. Dolan out does himself. Yeah, anyways, you know, it does just make sense. I remember thinking how can they have both of these things? And they told the people working at Discovery Island, don't worry, what you do is special and it's different. No, you cannot work at Animal Kingdom, but you can stay here. You will stay here. This place will be open forever. In 1999, it closed. It closed. It goes one year after the opening of Animal Kingdom. And that was that.

They moved some of the animals over to Animal Kingdom. Some of them are sold to zoos, you know? Sure, I mean, yeah, makes sense. I liked, there was just a few months ago a Bright Sun films abandoned video, and it was their 100th Abandoned video, Happy Anniversary, Bright Sun Films. Their first video... Is it kind of as a result of decent if it's not a Hollywood star? If he's just issuing a compliment to someone?

A little more of a low-key compliment. I just wanted to get the flowers. I like that channel. I watch it a lot. Their first video was on Discovery Island. So they revisit it for the 100th video. And they talked to a bunch of people who worked there. And everyone seemed to like working there.

And the one bird trainer ended up down the line owning Quasar, I think was a parrot or a call. It lives with him now. Really? So you could purchase the animals if you worked there, possibly. I think they just, I think it had other owners and then they found out they tracked it or kept up with the bird's travel. So you think the bird was sold and then the bird owner wanted to get rid of the bird and they caught wind of that and then this person who worked there. Yeah. Well, because they all had interesting stories of like, yeah, if you want to train, you have to train the birds to know that you are the safe place for them.

Because if you release a train bird, they could fly away at any moment. So you need to build the trust so they fly back to you. How do you do that? You just get really acquainted with them. You don't shoot and kick them. Yeah. Well, I probably treats. Like you treats and they know to come back.

It's probably just treats. Yeah. That's how you treat dogs. I'm not going to like pet it or something. So I build loyalty with Jason also. Treats. That's how you did it. That's how I did it.

Until he would be on an improv team with me, I just gave treats. So he felt safe. First time you met Jane, you gave her a little Ziplog baggie of like teddy bear cracker, teddy grams. To lure you in? Yeah. To like, here. You want this thing to go all the way? Here you go.

This is what work for me. Yeah. Teddy grams. It's half honey and half chocolate. He likes a little variety. Oh, wow, teddy grams. They should sell teddy grams. Way into every man's heart.

Teddy grams. Do they have any like Teddy Graham infused food or anything? You know, they have like Captain Crunch like fried chicken or something. They'll use cereal sometimes. That's a good question. Do they have like something crusted in teddy grams? It just feels like. That's up to you as a home recipe.

Maybe. Or like an IPA infused with teddy grams. You'll see those things sometimes. Yeah. Novelty beers. I don't know. There's got to be something. I'll look it up.

Again, I think it's an area for you to cover. Yeah. From what other twisted candy-loving, sweets-loving mind would. I'm not the biggest teddy-grams fan in general. I like Teddy Graham's fine, but I'm not buying Teddy Grams. Does your, do your kids, do they like to, is that a reliable snack? Teddy Grams has not come up in the house before. No, Teddy Grams would not come up.

We have, there's like, I don't know if it's Amy. I forget which brand. Amy's organic. There's like organic, Teddy Graham kind of. similar tasting like cracker fish kind of cookie little things. Oh, they're too good for the asbestos ones. That's really creepy.

I mean, she'll have it sometimes, but yeah. She has some of those. So it's 1999. This place is no more. And so you start wondering what is going to happen to this island because it is still like, you know, set up to have some sort of attraction on it.

And that's where you end up with one of the strangest rumors of an overhaul that they were thinking about doing, which is devoting it to the then popular CD-ROM MIST. Yes. And it was going to become the island from MIST. And as I said then popular, I was like, was it the era of MIST before that, like, well before that? Oh.

Yeah, in the mid-90s, it was really popular. There was a sequel to. Okay. I loved mist. I was scared someone was going to jump out at every turn, but I liked mist. Mist actually got pretty far, like they were, like, at least in the blue sky phase,

but I remember the message boards in the 2000s, people were really obsessed with, they should turn it into the island from lost. There was a lot of, yeah, at least talk about it. And that seems both like, a logistical nightmare and then like it drops off very quickly after lost goes off the air. You mean the popularity of it? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I guess it'd be strange if you could go to the Lost island today, but even stranger to go to Mist. If in 2026, I mean, now I would, because I, you know,

that's got sort of some, you know, that's got your early CD-ROM columns. I mean, I'd, like, I enjoyed Discovery Island, but if it was just the same thing but full of column, The problem is that I would just want to walk around and take some pictures and leave. What they were planning was more of a sort of proto Star Wars Galactic Star Cruiser. Not that you'd spend the night there, but it would be like a complex game and you can't leave the island. It's like a big escape room. It's an escape island. And that I would have hated.

I would have wanted to just like take pictures of columns and then I would just start swimming. I'd get in those gator waters. I think one thing that is not mentioned a lot in media about Discovery Island, because people kept saying, like, oh, it was all shaded. It was so cool there. It was pleasant. And I'm like, that's not my memory. My memory is the most human place in Walt Disney World.

That's not right. Yeah, maybe it wasn't, it was like sunlight. Like, it was blocked from sunlight, but, like, it was still hot because it was Orlando. It was still hot and there, I mean, maybe the bathrooms were air condition, but like the snap bar was like all open air. That wasn't inside and that wasn't inside. That's your, you remember that? No, I was looking at pictures and stuff. Oh, yeah.

Videos and the backpack guys. I don't know. I guess depends what the time of the year was. Shut it down. Kill it. Missed, yeah, missed. It'd be interesting. Was that the, what would that have predated all like video game like rides?

Sort of. Like, was there another video? video game that was in a theme park before this? Are you counting the giant room full of Sega Genesis? No. I'm not counting that. Okay. But like obviously we have a Nintendo land. There's still no Sonic ride or anything, but like this would have been one of the first

video game experiences. Yeah, crossovers with, yeah. Could be wrong. There's probably something I'm not thinking of, but it's interesting that like missed potentially. I still like unclear exactly how far along this got. I don't know, but they, but the creators confirmed that they, they went and took a tour of the island and they were thinking.

about it and then they just couldn't figure out how to make it work economically. They probably started looking at crunch of numbers and realized this will be closed in two years, max. Probably. No matter how cool it is, right? There is no way you're going to Mist Island in 2026. Well, I mean, you would say that about the Waterworld stunt show. True.

So that's the only thing I can point to and say, well, I guess if it was up to a certain level of coolness, maybe then you don't even remember it was a video game and it's just there's that cool island at Disney World that's still popular. Oh, that almost supersedes the... You're probably right. It would be gone. But I'm just saying that is the one thing

you always can point to if you go, well, that would have for sure been closed. You're like, well, this thing in 2026 are building new ones. Well, there's certain frictionless aspect of the Waterworld show. Oh, well, there's, of course, a reason why it's still very popular.

Right around the corner and there was explosions. Yeah, stuff blows up and you get wet. That's the, anything that's like, I mean, just imagine, like, you know, we go back to that, like, what does dad want to do on vacation kind of level? And, like, what's this island? Well, this is an immersive experience in which you have to discover out. Out, I'm out. Not doing it.

How about the pool? How about I go to the pool? Yeah. Yes. Chances are it would have been closed. Chances are. I think so. But a neat idea.

It shows you the kind of, like, cool things they're trying to figure out and do that don't get off the ground. but ultimately what they decided oh also there was a rumor that it was going to be like what if this became an island for lovers what if this was honeymoon island oh the honeymoon bungalows they were going to make it that yeah only if you are on your honeymoon can you stay on the island I mean and then and then and then the sweetest vultures you've ever seen deliver a little chocolate a little heart-shaped mint on your pillow and that and that and that Now that puts into your mind, it's just like, it's fuck island. Like that's what's putting that into your mind.

People are going to end up in the family way if they visit this island. They will end up in the family way if they visit fuck island. Well, at least they've been married. Well, that's true. That's the only acceptable way to be in the family way. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, this seems like a viable idea.

Why do they not just cross-promote synergy and just do Bachelor in Paradise on Discovery Island. They clear it. They make this the destination for, and then it does just become like this fuck island. And then people are flocking to stay there because the show was shot there. You can have sex in the place where, you know, whatever, the doctor's assistance. This is what I've gleaned from Aaron is that everyone on that show is a medical assistant.

Hot medical assistants. There were 25. Sure. But you can follow in their, you can fuck in their footstance. steps. That's a good tagline. Yeah, yeah, that's just good for anything. That's just good for anything.

I was thinking, now that's actually a better pitch because it's ABC and the synergy is already there. But I was also thinking you turn it into Temptation Island. Oh, sure. Yeah. The old school, even trashy or version of what I'm talking. Did they end up owning that somehow to? Where did that land in the Fox merger?

That's a good question. Because they did bring it back, right? Like a year, a couple years ago, Temptation Island. Oh, that's right. On Disney Jr. They do own it. Most televised programming, I believe, is either an island or it's somehow under the Vanderpump umbrella. It's another solid pitch, Vanderpump Island.

You could do that too, yeah. She's got a casino. They're flipping the one casino on the strip to a Vanderpump casino and hotel. The whole thing is, it's a Vanderpump Hotel. It's a very narrow casino. I forget which one it is. It's because Balli is flipped to horseshoe and this is the one I think. think across the street from it.

That's kind of like a generic right now. Like the Bradford or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doesn't have that many rooms and not a big casino floor. That's funny. Weird. Wow. I'm Temptation Island was on Netflix in 2025.

Oh. But it was initially on Fox. Hmm. So, hmm. I don't know who owns it. But yeah, I think you, I think you, genuinely, I think you do a season there. And then, I mean, that is a good idea. Which does up the odds of,

vulture attacks during the filming of the show. But it makes it more exciting, yeah. Well, if you're kicked off the island, you are now, you are now property of the vultures. And you've got to run to the dock to get on the boat

before the vultures tear you apart. It's an interesting element. Anyways, what's weird is they don't fully shut this thing down in certain ways. They don't get rid of the dock. You could still dock there.

And you can rent boats around there, so you can get pretty close to it. And around now is where we get the urban exploring aspect of the main thing that Discovery Island is known for now. During that, from people popping over there, we know that the power was still on on the island from 99 to 2008 for many, many years, just creepily eerily. flickering, it's starting to go. Uh-huh. But this is where this place starts to feel extremely post-apocalyptic. Nature reclaiming it, roofs, caving in, just weird. Like, it's still the soda fountain, still with all the labels.

Oh, yes. For the 1999 extreme label, look at that Minutamed orange soda label. Oh, you're right. And the old Coke label. Jason salivating. Oh, man, it would have been awesome to just wander around the eye. drinking a fountain dye coat. An old from like an old bag of syrup.

Oh yeah. I want a I want aged. I want an unsweetened nasty. A beverage and a bag, nasty. That's been, yeah, cooking for 20 years. But I don't know where this begins and who starts going there. A name that I kept seeing was Shane Perez, somebody who swam there, perhaps with a couple friends. The earliest, I think it was around 2007. Okay. Okay.

Or they went in 2005 and then posted into, they specifically, I think it was the abandoned video said the first person waited until the statute of limitations expired for trespassing in Florida. Oh my God. And then posted their stuff. Oh, so it is this hasn't been a thing in a while legally. So what's the problem with me being there? Well, all the urban explorers have been banned from Disney World for life. Every single one. Every single one. Wow.

Matthew Sunswa. I got the HD footage in 2017. So you would have to be like an anonymous account with like a mask to do it and then not get banned. Because even if you don't get arrested because you've waited, they'll still ban you. So that's your like punishment for it. So you would have to have like a mask and post under an anonymous account if you wanted to go do it. No. But if you want to be it to if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you,

want to do your hey, like and subscribe. You can't. Yeah, yeah. You surrendered your anonymity. Yeah. The masked magician. Well, ironically, since you say that, the guy who camp there in 2020 during early COVID days, I think they finally caught him when he was trying to leave, when he was trying to get off the island.

And I think he had like a bala clava or a gator on. So then it was tricky. Then all the police had to do was take it off. Yes. Yes. Very funny footage because they eventually called the sheriff's office because they eventually set up security there. So there is body cam footage of Orange County Sheriff's guns drawn walking the island.

Yeah. They ended up producing like a here's what Discovery Island is like video accidentally through their body cam footage. It's completely insane. Just to finish out, Shane Perez, this was kind of the first, like, via, I think, a blog that he wrote in photos that he posted. We discovered, you really saw, like, what shape this place has been in,

just rotting away for over five years or whatever it had been. Like, food rotting away in a fridge, snakes in jars, which we made a joke about at the beginning. Yeah. Just in icky. water or something, I don't know. And then they found two tiny vultures in a room who just squawked at them angrily until they left the room.

Scary shit. So, so scary. Would never want to do this, especially that they had to swim there. That was the only way, the way they got in was they just like calculated when does all the Disney World Transportation boat stuff go away. All right, well, when it's dark, obviously, now we can swim. So it's a 300-foot swim in gaiters or water where you might encounter a gator. And then your reward is getting screamed at by a creepy little vulture.

My God. There is, Marv. I watched the one video. And while it is HD, it's not super stabilized. So, like, I got halfway through, and I'm like, I am too dizzy to continue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This horrifying footage where there was just sounds. The sounds of birds in nature that is just horrifying.

And ultimately, yeah, it's just, you're just looking at, you know, plants and dirt at a point. But I agree. I think that the most fascinating thing that's happened there, and I guess the last fascinating thing, because now it's pretty locked down. Yeah. Thanks to Richard McGuire, who went by the YouTube panel, Southern Pirate Outdoors. And he had a vast array of content that was, like, sneaking into abandoned places that was like just being in water with dangerous animals animals that feel like modern dinosaurs this is a rough and tumble survivalist dude and he never

went to discovery island because his dad would take him to like real life discovery islands to like he actually was just encountering crazy animals and without an admission for his whole childhood, but it like kept a special place in his mind. So then with Disney World shut down for the pandemic, now is my time to strike. It's April 2020 and he sets out to spend a week living on Discovery Island and videotape the entire thing. There's all these crazy machinations to it where he like he's going to go with a boat but then his kayak gets stolen. So he has to like, but he brought it from home. So while in Orlando, he has to find another boat, which he does outside of 7-Eleven or something, and he begs the guy, he pays him in cash, can I take your boat? And he says, all right, I guess so.

So now he has a boat to get through. He doesn't want to do the swim like Shane Perez did. But he starts the journey and it starts and like water starts filling up. So this is not a good boat. So he's like, he's barely getting there. But he does make it and he builds a fire inside. you know, you know, whatever, the place where they used to train helper monkeys for the disabled. And so like, all right,

day one goes fine seemingly, but then he, and he's like trying to track where cameras are, but then one does catch him and pretty quickly the police are on his tail. It is amazing that you can watch all of this footage that he just volunteer, that he just posted it.

And now he's on the run. And it's all this video content that's him just like, you know, the camera down below his chin and like, this fucking crazy. Fucking Disney, they can do whatever they want. They can afford whatever they want. Like, these motherfuckers ain't playing.

And you're kind of like, well, why this intensity? Like, you're sneaking around there. And like, I don't know. So a lot of the urban explorer attitudes are kind of innocuous. So why are you being so militant about it? And the answer is because according to YouTube comments he posted, he believed that something much more nefarious was going on on Discovery Island.

He seemed to believe that there was a creature, there was a special freakish creature, a genetically modified mutant that had been created on Disney property sanctioned by the U.S. government. And when asked to provide details about this creature, well, here's a weird phrase he said. It's a creature they've been working on using birds. I don't know if to build the creature or just using the DNA of birds. Either way, he described the creature as part eagle, some say cockatoo, and part robot.

A robot. A robot. Yeah. If you fuse the DNA of an eagle and a robot, then Disney would have monetized the creature. so fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not I'm in the creature. If it worked, yes, that would have been, yeah, yeah.

Cookey creature summer, you know. Dr. Moreau Summer. Yeah, Dr. Rowe's summer. This should be, I'm the Dr. Morrow. Oh, there is. What they should do with this thing. Yeah, that's great. That's great. And then you get your dinner show.

Yes. That would have to happen. And it's him playing piano with the little guy up on the, yeah, with the mini piano. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, anyway, you know, this thing could like, this creature could kill someone on site. And so he believed that there was maybe the opportunity to rescue some kind of mecha eagle, some robot two. It's like the Seinfeld episode with the pig man or something.

Kramer thinks there's a pig man and he tries to rescue him. Yeah, yeah, yes. I think in real life. Yes, and this guy seemed a little eccentric like Kramer. Why would you take it where? I mean, all of his videos don't refer to this. Like, this all comes from YouTube comments. Right.

And other people filling in gaps in the conspiracy theories as well. Like, yeah, I heard it's this. Don't forget the cockatoo part. So, I don't know. He does not say, he doesn't ever in the videos yell, like, I'm coming for you, you sweet baby. I'm going to set you free. Climbing my rickety boat.

They developed the creature to test the fowls. I don't know what you mean. I know what you're talking about. Anyways, but so they're on to him and then the most mild-mannered police chase ever occurs. They just, you know, they ride a pontoon boat over there and they draw their guns. And even in the body camp footage, they cannot withhold how

they're just like, this is so fucking cool. This is the ultimate game of hide-and-stand. seek. They're loving it. And they're cracking jokes about like, is this where they like breed baby dinosaurs or whatever? Like they know, they're like, they're trying to act like, all right, you know, babe professionally.

This is it. You know what they're like, we're doing it. We're walking around with guns on Jurassic Park. It's crazy. We're hunting a guy on Jurassic Park. I mean, yeah, look. And it was a fine day for the Orlando Sheriff's Department. Only five officers accidentally shot themselves in the dick.

That was a historic low. It wasn't until January 6th of the next year when most of them would travel to Washington to shoot themselves in the dick. Yeah, there's something, there's a nice feeling to be watching body cam footage and knowing that nothing bad

is going to happen at the end. That's what's refreshing. You're not even going to see a hybrid or anything. Yeah, they don't even shoot a creature. It's a good found footage movie. idea, though, is to ban get to the point and do it all via body cam to end up with, yeah, the big, big clanky metal beak of the Mecca Eagle.

I wonder what he pictured, too. I wish he could draw it for us. I'd love to know what he was imagining and how big it was. Yeah. That's just, I would. And where did he get the information from in the first place? Is it metal or is he like unfinished? So half of it is covered in feathers, but not the whole thing. I think that's cool.

Maybe one regular bird eye, but one red Terminator eye. Yeah, yeah. I think it has to have a Terminator eye. Extremely jagged teeth. Going on Fiverr to hire a graphic designer. Hey, can you draw what this creature is like based on these YouTube comments? Yeah, that's good. Well, there's a thing, you know, sometimes we throw out little requests to our artist's listeners.

And here's an idea. You draw how you pictured the Mecca Eagle. And your choice. Do you view it as terrifying and crazed? Or do you view it enjoying a nice 1999 minute made with Jason at the snack stand? Maybe the creature is named Monte Cumba. Right? That was named of the treasure of Monte Cuma.

I think, okay, imagine this is maybe the second time this character's ever come up on podcast to ride. From the Archie Ninja Turtles, the character verminating. X. But imagine it's this character, but a bird. So he's kind of like, he's a cat with like cyborg parts and a cigar. Do you picture human body? Well, now I am picturing human body, which I like. What about like kind of like big like like bird rump though? And then a big bird seat. Yeah, yeah. Yes. I'm, I'm in favor of that. Great, great. All right. I'm glad you're open to the note. And the body is sexy. Sure. Like Cleo. But I guess it could be. genderless, but it's still like a really like fit human body.

Yeah, genderless but big tits. Like that. You think, you read my mind. That creature. What was that movie like years ago? Oh, was it Splice? And there was like a weird humanoid kind of creature in it? I don't, I've never seen Splice.

I recall the movie. You're not a Splicehead. No. I like, look, Jason, I like slice cola. I don't like splice the movie. Slice. House. I like slice

Tony Gimmignani. But I have not seen splice. Is that like species? Yeah, it was like a 2009 species. It looks like species. Here's the creature. Here's the creature. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So, well, pick your poison. I would love to see people's interpret it. Even if it's just a fun doodle, you know, you don't have to go nuts. They could make an alien island here. Like Ripley, Ripley and aliens and everything on this island. Why are they on?

Well, you'll make it, it's like a space island. Okay. It'll be like a spaceship looking boat. You take the space boat to the island, the space island. Okay. Or they crash landed there, you know. Sure. They were trying to, they were trying to land near Cape Canaveral.

Alien Earth just came out. So this is Alien Earth. Alien Earth Island. Okay. You know? Yeah, that's fine. Zemorphs all over the place. And then they, but they're real and people don't know.

Yeah, yeah. Because they were building them. They're so realistic, but only, uh, what's his name? This guy, Richard. Richard McGuire, you know, is that they're making real xenomorphs. Right. I want to see if he's a splice head.

First credit actor in Splice, Adrian Brody, 2009, dark period, I feel like for Brody. What do you think about him in general, though? Do you think he's terrific, or do you think... I don't know. What's the razzle-dazzle on? I feel like he might have been on that list from the third, that ad from the 30s. It just says, box office poison. Oh.

Wow. This is the first negative actor comment we've ever gotten? Yeah, I know. Usually it's just keeping praise. I don't know. I don't. Look, he came back with Brutalist. I haven't watched Brutalist yet.

He came back with Brutalist, but it seemed like it was a real problem sometimes. Wow. We've never heard anything like this in the recent times. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is, it's exciting to know that it's not a guaranteed razzle-dazzle. I'll go for it up to say, I don't really care for Darjeeling Limited. A weaker. Wes Anderson film.

I'm not a fan of it either. I'm not a fan of it either. I went to a Q&A of that and he was in the Q&A and he talked for a long time. When he did that long Oscar speech, I was not surprised one bit because I remember how much he droned on in that Q&A and he caught my eyes at one point

and I looked very tired and bored and then he said, you know, I've been going on and on for a while so I should wrap it up, but I caused, if only I'd been there, I was that. Weirdly, I was there. Just too far away for him.

Not in a place where he could see. Wow. On Oscar night. The original, one of the original, the Ross Island just made me keep thinking of the lonely island sketch Ross Trent. Oh, right. And then Ross to make, that of course made me think of the beloved SNL character, Ross to Man. I mean, that's the best thing that's ever had.

His introduction to, uh, his introduction to, uh, Sean Paul or as he called him Sean John repeatedly Oh dear Come my boy Sean John His unsanctioned SNL reggae musical introduction One of the greatest moments in the history

of the show All the great church lady samurai Take a back seat For me it's to me it's always Rostamon Anyways The Chase is crazy He produced a whole video that you can watch Called Escape from Discovery Island

where he says that himself in the moment. He's like, here we go, y'all. Escape from Discovery Island. Another thing I like is that he starts saying like, Walt Disney, what have you done? Actual quote, what are you hiding on that island that's so fucking good? Look, some people were banging pops and pans in 2020

and some people were sneaking on the private property for content. How much pink lemonade is left? How much can I take home? Do you still got Sierra Mist there? Do you got retired brand? Original formula. Is this the creature?

Is this snake and formaldehyde in a pickle jar, a Diet Coke bottle? Are you creature? Or is that snake an ingredient to an experimental new flavor that you're never going to give to the public? Come on, Walt. Disney, what have you done? Walt Disney, what have you done? Well, Disney, you're making all these famous people sing songs in their houses. You're remaking all the old movies shot for shot.

It's the same thing as the cartoon. You didn't even change anything. What have you done? You gave Scuttle a new rap, Lynn Manwell rap called Scuddle Butt. Walt Disney, what have you done? That wasn't Father of the Bride three at all. That was just a zoo. call.

You made Diane Keaton do this. One of the last things she ever did. You made her be on a bad Zoom movie. You called it a movie. What have you done? You made Diane Keaton and Steve Martin figure out what Zoom was.

They cycled through novelty backgrounds before they realized just a regular wall was the way to go. What have you done? Anyway, he rules. He's a great. He made it all the way bad. He did evade them, even though helicopters were circling. And there were guys going, you are not under arrest, but you must leave the island. We have seized your boat. Wow. They took his boat and his stuff. So then he had to swim. So then he had to swim. And then immediately called his girlfriend and got the call that she was like under arrest. And he had to turn himself in in order for them to release her, which is a weird little. thing they don't know if that's okay. Bate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

I'm looking at like, I'm looking at a Google map. That's why I've been doing it. I'm trying to figure out what the best like escape route is. I don't like, because it's right on the, because it's right, you know, it's close to land, obviously, like right by where river country was. See, I think he swam the other way because he knew they're, you know, they can get you that way. That's by the hotel. I think he swam to where he could just keep running.

But then there's, get out, get out on the highway. There also is like some sort of dam and then like a water like there's almost like a little river or something or a stream here that's cut off. But like it's like a dam or something is preventing you from just going from the lake into this little stream. But I wonder if that's maybe if you could get over there. Yeah. That little thing. But what's in the dam? What if it's that place where water, you know, water starts cycling really faster even like grinds you up?

Maybe there are grinders in there. Did he pre-scout the location for grinder? for dam grinders. That's how they make the food for creature. Okay, I mean, I zoomed in a little more, and it looks like it might just be like a piece of concrete. It doesn't look like it's... All right.

You're not going to... That's not like the dam and the fugitive. No, I don't think. For a second I was picturing that, but now I'm looking and it looks like it's just like maybe like six by 12 piece of concrete. I always heard that people who got over there had inflatable breasts, like in a backpack,

that they would inflate. and then paddled to the island. Well, what he did was he collected empty bottles that had washed up on shore, put him in his backpack, and that served as a flotation device to help him get across, which is a good survival tip. Yeah. I pray to God, I will never need one single survival tip, and I don't know what's going to strand me on an island,

but if you got a bunch of soda bottles around. Oh, I learned this at Boy Scout Camp. You jump, if you end up in deep water, and you kind of had to be wearing a dress shirt and slacks for this. But you, they gave us these clothes. If you're leaving prom and you end up on the run. So you force water up into your shirt to make a temporary life preserver. Then you get your pants off, tie the legs together, put that over your neck,

and force water up into that, and you get blent. That's like a little raft. Yeah, I didn't do that in a swim. class. I had rent a tux and then I, no, I just had to wear my clothes and did that. But it wasn't with like dress slacks. What's this for? Going on a nice dinner?

No, it's going on the pool. Yeah, we have to do. Survival school. I thought you were going to say, make sure to drink two liters of soda before you go near water and have the empty bottles. And then you, and then you become buoyant. More sodas in you. I had more bottles, but I turned them in at six flags for cheaper tickets.

All the boat. was reminding me, and I'm sure this five-timers club, but my favorite family, one of my favorite family's stories is my mom and dad renting those putt-put boats, like Mike and I rented. It's self a five-timer, by the way.

Easily. You guys going on the boat. Easy. Seven years ago. But was relevant for this topic. That's correct. So my dad's boat ran out of gas. My mom goes back to the dock. My dad sees like a giant like one of the big fake steamer pedal boats coming from Tickon Transportation Center

worried it's going to hit him. They avoid him, but he gets caught in the wake and it pushes his little putt putt boat onto the rocks onto the beach. And he's just hanging out there until cast members show up with the boat and gas and stuff. How far from the rocks was he? I guess not very far. I was going to say it was just like he was pretty. But the weight just kind of pushed him along.

Because when you first said I was picturing him like 500 yards out. And then he's just like a crazy wave takes him back to the rocks. But it can't be that. He must have been very close to the rocks. I don't think it was. Yeah. Yeah. So that would be crazy.

But just chaos members laughing because like this is not the first time that it happened. You get stuck on the rocks with those boats? Can we still get the little boats or have they stopped that? I mean, that was what, seven years ago? Yeah. So I don't think. they stopped any of the boat i mean we gotta get a bigger boat next time you ran a pontoon boat and i think it's just a very similar like stop goes sort of i don't think you have to be licensed to rent a pontoon

you don't oh not at all that's the easiest thing ever yeah it rules i want to try one time the fishing experience there's a fishing where you well you can fish in a number of places at waltzziware you fish in seventh seat lagoon can you can fish like off a dock in fort wilderness i think you can fish the Epcot. Will they let you take the fish off the line, put the fish in your mouth, and immediately eat it and leave the skeleton on the dock? Well, no one's ever been able to stop me doing that. Okay.

So I'll face whatever consequences. That's your constitutional right to do that. I'll wash dishes to make up for free fish. Do you get to eat the fish or do they, it's catch and release? Did you say that? I think it's catch and release, yeah. What's the point? You're killing the fish anyway.

You can't eat it live on the spot. Yeah. Because that's what I've heard. You catch and release the fish die anyway from the wound. Yeah, I mean, I think it can, but they don't have a... It might take a few days, though. They might get a good couple last days in. Say goodbye to the fish they love.

Central nervous system, nerves, like mammals do it. I'm just saying we're going to kill the fish. You may as well eat it. There may as well be a point. Might as well help somebody. Folks, if you were ever caught Disney World fish. You caught them in your pants or your boat while you were swimming in your buoyant pants

Yeah I have a lot of fire pits at the hotels for making s'mores Have you ever seen someone with a fish Cook a fish over that fresh caught from that very body of water? I don't know Well ultimately they caught and released Richard McGuire Who was fined ultimately $100 and was banned for life from 100 dollars that's a hundred dollars yeah

But you know what? at all. You got a crazy guy, crazy story. His videos are very compelling, and he was, he was the only lucky guy who got to go to Disney World during the fight of the pandemic. Wow. If you get banned from Disney World, do you get a free comp ticket to Universal? That'd be a good program.

To enrich. Sensational. To encourage people to misbehave at Disney World. Yeah. They want you, it's like they're, we'll take the rowdiest. We don't, we don't cancel people the way. way Disney does. Right.

Free ticket, free express pass for Epic Universe. Some of those rides have long waits. And free expression here as well. Yeah, that's right. You can go on any of our islands that are abandoned. Comcast is trying to get the start a fire. Comcast is trying to get the sovereign citizen market. P on the Berlin Wall, we don't care.

Any closing thoughts about this place? Do we miss it? No one will get to go again unless they, open it again, but since Richard closed it out strong. The idea of a cool little island is cool. That's what I'll say, and I wish they would do something with it, because it seems like it would be very fun to travel to it. It seems like, especially a kid brain, you'd be like,

oh, you have to go on the boat to get to this thing. This thing is so remote, and it would feel like you're miles away from anything. Sure. So I am. Worlds away, as Pablo Cruz put it. A lot of both merchandise for Discovery Island on eBay, and some cast member uniforms. Oh, wow.

Kind of pricey. And a lot of them say Fort Wilderness on the tag inside. So I guess that's where they were keeping the costuming. What kind of costuming? Is it like khaki type? It's like a polo and khakis or like a corduroy jacket. Would you buy and wear that? It's like a little pricey, but a lot of the cast member stuff is like $300 plus.

Okay. What would you, do you have a cast member outfit in mind that you would just wear in your everyday life? I, you know what, Carly one time was at a thrift store and found a Toon Lagoon. Right here in Burbank, at a Burbank thrift store, found a Toon Lagoon, short sleeve top in shorts. I would wear the like speech bubble thought balloon, you know, crazy Toon Lagoon outfit. Future episode idea. Maybe not full episode, but just thing to do. Can we, on eBay or Etsy or whatever, find any article of Islands of Adventure-related clothing Jason would not wear?

Oh, there's that weird sindbad stunt show where they all look odd. They all look like, oh, I don't, that looks a little racially confusing. I don't think I want to wear that too. All right. If they are found on a piece of merch, yeah. But if it was like a really good, you know, like, like excellent Bluto shirt or like Bluto pajama pants, but it was missing the ass like the like Prince used to wear.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. With that rule it, with the bludo of it rule out the assless. Well, assless pajama pants. You're losing a lot of heat, brother. You're losing a lot of heat. Oh, it defeats. That's the purpose of even having long. Yeah.

So you would refuse to wear it just on the grounds if it doesn't function. It's not practical. It's not a practical thing. This is the one you're talking about. That's 374 right here. That's the shirt. There's like an LLB and like khaki jacket, I feel like. Or wait, that's the Tune Lagoon shirt.

Super Rare Universal Studios, Tune Lagoon. Team member, employee shirt size medium and it's green. And it says Tune Lagoon and like a word balloon. But then it also says, huh? Well, huh? Like it's just different like word balloons. Sound effects, yeah. Yeah, you would wear this.

How much is that one? 374. 96. Yeah, a little too rich for my blood. We can make an offer. You want me to make an offer? For $50. Make an offer while I...

50's insulting. Make an offer while I do the plugs. Okay, yeah, go for it. Buy him a shirt. Okay, while you do that, I think we made it. Fun to talk about this and fun to learn about Mecca Eagles and Orlob zoos and a lot of a lot of good Florida craziness here. I think so.

Yeah, that's really the sum. So thanks for that Discovery Island. You survived podcast The Ride. For three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast Thread the second gate or get one more bonus episode in our VIP tier. Club 3. You'll find all of that at patreon.com slash podcast the ride. I'd like to throw in one more plug. Perhaps this upcoming Sunday, March 15th at 4 p.m.

You may want to turn on the ABC Broadcast Network and just check out whatever happens to be playing on the ABC Broadcast. network. No spoilers. I don't want to say exactly what you'll find, but I think hopefully you'll find it enjoyable and exciting. Actually, I would say turn it on at like 355. Get there a little early, you know, in case they're taking some glam bot content, you know, to look at some looks, you know, and then you'll be ready for whatever might be being cooked up this Sunday, March 15th, 4 p.m. ABC. And that's the American Broadcasting Company. And it's Disney's own. Disney's own. Yeah, yeah.

I was just making sure it wasn't the Dumont network because that's what I always default to. Oh, no, no, sure. Yeah, I understand. No, that you're, that's your defaults here in the Sheridan home. But yeah, well, well, then I'll ask you just, yeah, flip over to the other, just for a minute. Although actually, you might want to stay planted at the, the very beginning of this particular broadcast and the very, very end of this particular broadcast. I'm not exactly sure how it's going to play out. But even if somebody has said, that's our show. Goodnight, everybody. Don't stop watching it.

That's all I will say. Is this new, like the season premiere of The Bachelor? Is that what you're talking about? It might be. You know, I didn't drop Bachelor in Paradise out of nowhere. No. I did a season. Aaron allowed it. Wow.

Yeah. Aaron allowed me to go to the fuck suites with all the many eligible medical assistance. Well, it was your dream. so I guess that she allowed that. Yeah, that's a I tried to weave it in organically. It was a little ham-fisted now that I think about it. But she lives at the show. I think she'll enjoy seeing me on the show.

Yeah. Yeah. The least attractive contestant in its history. Wow. Special bachelor followed by a special presentation of Will Trent. Well, we'll all be there. I mean, we're always there for whatever ABC has on. That's right.

What did you bid? I didn't. I felt it was insulting to do $50. I don't want to make the person mad. That's why I want to do it. Pay full price and get this nice shirt for your friend. All right, all right. This has been a Forever Dog production.

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