Podcast: The Ride - Disneyland’s 70th

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

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It's Disneyland's 70th birthday on Podcast the Ride, a podcast about theme parks that will never be completed, as long as there's imagination left in the world. And as long as AI doesn't somehow destroy Patreon. I'm Scott Gardner, there's my Carlson. That is a real thing I haven't thought about. Yeah, I don't know how it would play out exactly, but it does, I mean, it's, you know, something, whether it's that or it could be mergers too.

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I think it's probably... Branding. I'm sure that, well, also the business isn't that profitable, I think, as far as running Patreon. At least not a few years ago, was it? That's why it needs to be part of a real corporate umbrella to fix that. True. They always fix things when they buy things, is the corporate mandate. Good news. Your checks are coming in eight years once all this government stuff clears up. Let's bring Jason Sheridan in.

Yeah, Jason here. I don't know what you're talking about. I love Patreon brought to you by BlackRock. You know, I don't know. Our potential new corporate overlord. I want more metal men, frankly. That's what listeners want in podcasting, more levels. Yeah, yeah, well, I think they're probably disturbed

by the notion that money is going straight to the creators. Like, I am used to, I want in my, like, when I pay money for content, I want a bunch of the money to go to people who had nothing to do with the content. This is what I've been used to for many, many years. Maybe even people who hindered it. You stumped me on that.

Hindered the content, like held the content back. Something about the way you said that was like, I thought it was like an app or something. It sounds like, yeah, it was Tinder. Did you also think that? Yeah, I mean I'm messing with- Of course it's the English word, hinder. That makes all the sense in the world to me now.

I don't know, I probably hokey mouthed it without thinking. No, I understood what you were saying, and I'm not trying to even jump on you here or anything. I think this is an us brain fart issue. I think it's the fact that we're talking about tech, I'm not trying to even jump on you here or anything. I think this is an us brain fart issue. I think it's the fact that we're talking about tech and I'm like, well, Jason knows about apps and stuff. He's probably, he made a reference to Hinder.

Oh yeah, right. It's a new hookup app that he knows about. Hinder is a new app that siphons money from it. I'm not on it. But he knows about it. He knows how to use it, but he doesn't do it. That's the deal. Just stays abreast of it, yes.

Well, you know, fingers crossed about, you know, that this can go unruined for at least another year and a half or so. Today's episode is about Disneyland. Disneyland is a theme park in Anaheim, California run by the Walt Disney Company that this very week is celebrating its 70th birthday. Right. We're gonna get into it, we're gonna get into the ins and outs of this place, Disneyland. Mm-hmm. What do we think? Is this too, is it confusingly generic? Does it need to be

more specific? Or are we just, do we like, are we delighted by the notion of going as broad as we want? Well, I think what is nice about this is it's such a big block of clay, and I don't even know by the end of it necessarily what shape the statue we're building today will take. I don't know exactly. So I think there's some fun to be had there.

Sometimes when we're very micro about our topics, I have an idea what the statue looks like. But today, the statue is very much anything it wants to be had there, sometimes when we're very micro about our topics, I have an idea what the statue looks like. But today, the statue is very much anything it wants to be. It's unknown at this point. So. Well, I can guarantee you that part of the statue will be saying some names of people who are long dead, like long, long dead.

Sure, yes, I think that's probably correct. Yes, so I think. But not long, long, long, long dead. Not like we aren't going back to the 13 hundreds to this. No, long dead. Sure, yes, I think that's probably correct. Yeah, so I think I could. But not long, long, long dead. We aren't going back to the 13 hundreds to this. No, not three, yeah, no. Not like Galileo or anything. No, no. We're not gonna talk about Galileo today.

More along lines of Admiral Joe Fowler. Joe Fowler, but yeah, not Joseph and Mary. That's a two long ago. Back to zero, yeah, yeah. Although they, as really the parents of, you know, everything we hold dear in this world, and there would not be a Disneyland without the miraculous conception of the year zero.

Right. We would have not made it to, there would be nothing worth celebrating in 1955 or 2025. Right, and see, I didn't know that our statue would already have some sort of tributes to Mary and Joseph, so that's nice. This is surprising to me already. There was an immaculate conception inside our statue.

Look, it was an amorphous statue, and now it has a baby bump with a magical baby inside. It was created without sex, just the way we like it. That's how my daughter was born. It just came out one day, we didn't know. without sex just the way we like it. That's how my daughter was born. Came out one day we didn't know. Yep yep yep I'm on a streak two sons not one drop of sperm spilled. Great. Visited by the storks which weren't delivering the baby it's just some of that exotic Southern California wildlife. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Just some unhinged wild birds with long beaks. Oh yeah, yeah, if you've never been around here, you can barely drive a car without smashing into a stork at some point. There's a lot of storks. So many storks. So this is part of, and you might say, maybe the centerpiece of, the climax of,

or at least the deadpiece of, the climax of, or at least the dead center of, our class of, wait a minute, okay, it's the series we've been doing throughout the year, which is class of. What I wanted to do that time was find a live version, and then in looking up the live version, this with his band The Circle, Sammy Hager and The Circle at the prestigious event I Heart Radio Icons.

Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm getting pumped for, oh, you know what? I didn't realize that the I Heart Radio Theater, right here in Burbank, California, that's the former Johnny Carson, and more importantly, Jay Leno stages. Wow, really?

We've been missing a really important classic rock event, clearly. Whoa, that's where they recorded that? That was, this is a live performance at iHeartRadio Icons. Wow. Why we don't have tickets for iHeartRadioIcons 25, yet I don't know. We should have season tickets to the iHeartRadio stage.

It's so close by. I'll go see everything. Is that stage even still active? That's what we're talking about. Sammy Hayar played there. At least there was that. That's the iHeartRadio theater. It seems to me, I think Bruce Springsteen

might have played there. I think Queen and Adam Lambert played there. My favorite iteration of Queen. Yeah, the best one. The best one. They finally cracked it after wasting a lot of time with a temporary singer. Well, Freddie was so rude, I saw the movie.

He was so rude to the other three members of the band and it upset me. And luckily he apologized in the movie, which is of course what really happened in real life. So that's nice that they've got a polite singer now. Yeah, it's almost hard to enjoy the film knowing how factually correct every second. They were so slavish to the truth.

What do you mean, Rhapsody, the movie? Teenagers will never drive their car, head banging to, some guy named Wayne and Goth is never gonna bang his head. And I did, and if you wanna see a movie where they declare that Brian May is also a scientist at least three times, that is the movie for you. He's not just a guitarist, he's a scientist. Anyway, it came out five years ago, Anyway, sorry. This has been the area

Well, you know, this is obviously a step of the class of 55 series is that it gets us stuck on classic rock things for for a minute But you know, it's been a loose series dedicated to first year Disneyland attractions and I'd say I'd say Disneyland qualifies as a first year Disneyland attraction. I think it does, yes. Yes, yes. And I think this, you know, if we are in the middle of the series here on week of July 17th

of the 70th anniversary, I'm assessing the series, and I'm gonna declare and review, I think that this has been going middling to fine. Middling? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the, you know, not disaster. It's not terrible or anything. You know, we did Sleeping Beauty Castle, that was fine.

We did the teacups, that was fine. We did Chicken of the Sea Pirate Ship. Oh my God, and that's one of the best episodes of the year. And you guys, you guys like jizzed to the fucking roof about canned tuna. We jizzed to the fucking roof about canned tuna. We jizzed tuna all over the episode. It was one of the best episodes. It'll be a highlight of the year.

Yeah. I should, now I set it up by saying advice. I said a gross word, but I certainly did not intend for somehow it got a quantum level of gross. Cheese climax, children being born. This is a filthy episode. Don't tempt me, don't tempt me. Don't bring a gun, or excuse me, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

Other way, other way. Don't bring a tuna filled bullet to a gunfight. Yeah. That episode, by the way, we just, yesterday, late breaking addition to the tuna discourse, friend of the show, accidental PTR legend, Completer Griffin Newman, texted us to say, I'm a little late on this episode. That is an episode that I was unable to make it through.

Or he was almost unable to make it through. Almost, he did make it through. All right, he did make it through, but that he was almost nauseated from all of the tuna discussion and tuna enthusiasm. Right. Which I felt seen in that. That's how I felt recording it, from all of the tuna discussion and tuna enthusiasm. Right. He was, which I felt seen in that.

That's how I felt recording it. And it made me feel like there must be listeners out there who shared similar sentiments too. I meant to send a picture of my canned fish stock. Stock in the cabinet. Well it's your whole, yeah, your whole cabinet. It's just a couple cans of canned fish. Just a few right now. You're not in the 30s to 50s of cans?

No. Yeah, so that's a high watermark as far as the show is concerned. I think this year and for all time, I think, that tuna episode. I didn't think it was going to be when we did, it started doing it. Which I guess that's, and you have to be risky, you know, to strive for excellence you have to maybe land in an area that is nauseating to many yeah sometimes that happens I mean look we we inspire a lot of emotions on this show and I don't know that we've ever made people want to throw up so I actually and there's I'm a little bit proud of it in some ways sometimes rides

do but yeah podcast about rides never done never had and that I believe after that episode Mike and I both separately Had some tuna sandwiches. Yeah, I had tuna yesterday. I had tuna. I bought some tuna from sprouts So yeah, oh that was it because your response in text was all this tuna talk is making me hungry I made me hungry. I hadn't had lunch Several text exchanges about from because the texts were entirely from me and Griffin, so it was entirely people saying how grossed out they were about all the tuna talk, and that made you hungry. Yeah, because you're talking about tuna.

Gotta love tuna. You know, it doesn't change the transit of properties of the tuna if it's part of the sentence, I am disgusted by enthusiasm about canned tuna. Too general. I mean, I guess if you were saying like, oh my gosh, you should see the chunks and the puke and the toilet,

and I puked into a gross, like, corroded toilet, and you should see. Like, if there was details about how gross the tuna was making, like, then I would have probably maybe lost my appetite. But it would take the toilet being corroded? Even, like, it might not turn you off from wanting to have a big canned tuna sandwich.

If it was, if I was describing tuna barf in a regular toilet, the toilet has to be rusty as well. You'd have to try me. I don't know. Depend like it depends what the details of the tuna barf are where it would actually make me not want to eat tuna. I don't know. I'd have to hear it. I think between bar, this is what the details of the tuna barf are where it would actually make me not wanna eat tuna. I don't know, I'd have to hear it. I think between, this is by the way,

we're referring to a Second Gate episode if you want, and if this doesn't wet the appetite for you to head to the Patreon and check it out. I guess, yeah, it ended up being a little controversial, but I think it was a big hit, honestly. I feel like we got a lot of comments. Well, yeah, I mean, what was nice for me to see in the comments here and there was,

I saw a number of comments that were like, actually, I agree with Scott on this one. And my takeaway is, what's that actually about? Let's get that judgy word out of there. You're more than welcome to agree with me anytime. I don't know why, like just say a thing and say a nice thing. You don't have to put that little that little wedge of judge in there's the water is warm in Scott opinion land you don't have to it's wonderful it's blissful you don't

have to hear about a bunch of tuna bullshit you don't have to listen to fucking Green Day it's great in here the water is warm look there's there's definitely a small part of the population that agrees with you on both of those things. I don't know how small. I just don't think it's over, I don't know. It's under 50%, and I just don't know. I don't know where it's at. Well, I accept the rationale or the opinion

that Green Day is the canned tuna of rock music. I like that. I don't agree with this assessment. that Green Day is the canned tuna of rock music. I like that. I might agree with this assessment. And for the rest of you, if we've wet your appetite, we'll go ahead and use that open tuna can lid to drain the excess tuna water and get to making your sandwich. You always have to use the lid to drain.

We didn't talk about that enough on the episode. We didn't talk about using the lid to drain the tuna water. It can be too watery. Chocolate starfish in the tuna flavored water. The thing you guys are the second most enthusiast. I guess we're excited little lid boys too. Jason, you want to just go get some lids?

Is there any way you can buy lids without having to buy the tuna inside? Let's just like clang some lids around. Sound like a plan? Well, we should talk about our different can opening techniques. I think that's part of it. We should. However, there is so much other stuff to talk about as we talk about class of 55 and 70th anniversary stuff. How can we get stuck for too long?

When we are dealing with Disneyland's 70th birthday, I think I speak for everyone here. I speak for everyone listening to this. When I say that Disneyland's 70th birthday has defined this year It's been an inescapable celebration Yeah, it's permeated every single aspect of our lives who isn't thinking about all the fun that Disney has provided us This festive season. Yes. Well is is it am I wrong or my older or did the 60th feel like a big deal? Maybe bigger than this not a crazy big deal, but a bigger deal than the 70th. Yeah. Yeah

I don't know why but it maybe it was just a time in my life. I don't know Or maybe the branding of it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know Well, well, you know, I guess the one difference between now and then is children and I guess maybe I guess one difference between now and then is children, and I guess maybe children take a bigger percentage of our brain than thinking about how a theme park birthday celebration is going. Yeah, and maybe, I mean, I did, you know, 10 years ago I had the good pass, the best pass,

that you could go anytime you wanted, even during the summer. Maybe not the couple weeks around Christmas, so maybe I was just going more, so I was enjoying the diamond celebration at the time. So it felt like a bigger deal to me. Yeah, yeah. Well, and they have, of course,

they haven't given us something to call this particular celebration. But Jason over there, without kids yapping and yammering at, do you feel like you've been able to give the 70th the focus that you want? Well, I've only been down there once for it, and... Oh, you did make it down, yeah. You saw the Esplanade thing.

I saw, yeah. The famous Disneyland 70th Esplanade thing. It seemed like inspired by the Tower of the Four Winds, which was not preserved, which was destroyed after the 64 World's Fair. Because I think they didn't wanna transport metal across the country. It was illegal at that time.

Have we talked about, and maybe I'm gonna get this wrong, but when they debuted this music box, it's really big too, it's in the middle of the Esplanade. Yeah, I like it, I kinda like it. When they debuted it music box, it's really big too, it's in the middle of the Esplanade. Yeah, I like it, I kinda like it. When they debuted it, they were playing kinda like quiet music box type versions of songs. Oh. And I think people were complaining

that it was creeping everyone out. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. The world of love, do do do do. You mean that it felt like the part of a horror trailer where there's a creepy remix version of a popular song? That's correct. I think that's what happened

and they switched it out fairly quickly. So there was a loop that was made as if it was this music box playing music box versions of everything. I never put it together that it was a music box. That's why I called it a thing. Right. Well, I'm glad we shared our knowledge here.

So maybe I'm totally wrong on some of this, but my memory is that, yeah, they had to switch it out because it was too weird, which is a real, that's a real funny, a real funny development. Wow, wow. Huh, so that's something they did for the 70th, was a creepy box. A creepy box that played creepy little music.

And that's not- And made everyone get the shivers. Well, and you know, speaking of creepiness and giving shivers, you know, I was thinking, like, you know, I wanted to check in on now that it's been a few months since we've talked about any of this stuff. And I was feeling like it's a little light. I don't know. Like, you know, we're here at the Week, and I don't know if they're doing anything too crazy, but of course, on Monday, July 14th of this week, a hell of a new person entered the chat. Robot Waltz has shown up on the scene.

We have seen Robot Waltz, and I am not intending to do, to turn this into a Robot Waltz episode, because we obviously need to see it in person in order to fully assess the situation, but I feel like we have to do a little bit of first blush thoughts. And I mean that because I think it probably made us all blush, oh there he is. There he is, yeah. I, this is funny because this is another,

this has happened a couple times where I go, you know what, that wall robot's coming out, I'm not gonna take a look at it until I go see it in a couple weeks. What a fucking idiot. It's just blasted at me. And every app, I've been texted it multiple times, just haunting photos of its face.

Of course I'm gonna see it before and see little previews of it. Well, it's gonna get blasted at you right now, ha! What do you think? There he is. There he is. It's interesting, I it's gonna get blasted at you right now, ha! What do you think? There he is. There he is. It's interesting, I mean, I get why there's a backlash. I don't, he looks like he was like mildly crushed

in a trash compactor. Like just something kinda made his head a little wider than it should be and his body should be a little wider. And I don't know if that's just like the robot and they can't make the robot that much skinnier. I don't know. But he just, some of his proportions look wrong. Some people posted a picture of a Madame Tussauds Walt

that looks really good. That's not a robot, that's just a figure. So you can sculpt that however you want. I mean, this is a difficult area we're dealing with, for sure. But it is funny because it looks just off enough. And unfortunately, because these are close-up photos, they really, you don't have any wiggle room also.

I think that the close-up photos are a little bit ickier than the video. That's what I feel thus far. I think that once you see it moving, if you don't stop and stare, because now I've had him big on my desktop for two minutes or so, and yeah, it's wearing me down a little bit.

I'm having a little bit of tuna tummy as I stare at this guy. I feel like if you're in the middle of the Lincoln Theater and you see the show, I bet it looks okay. I bet it looks okay. Yeah, I bet it looks fine But I think I mean is there a good example of a human being that is being recreated with an animatronic That looks amazing. I think they did redo Trump a little bit at Hall of Presidents. I've not really I'm not saying it was good. I'm not saying they started from a an Adonis But the figure looks better.

It looks like they tweaked it a little bit. Yeah. You really feel the bias though, that they didn't give him muscles. Oh yeah. That they didn't make him, these liberal robot makers. They should melt him.

They should go in and they should melt him a little bit each night. They should put like a little flame under the robot and just melt his skin a little bit. And then like, until he's just like so gooey in like six months. Just. He'd melt it by the flame that Abraham Lincoln

used to read his textbooks by. Sure, yeah. His long texts. You mean, is it like, would the night before Christmas, what Pa would have when he came down the stairs, like his little candle? Yeah. I assume what you do when you go to the fridge

in the middle of the night. Yeah, yeah. You have your night shirt and cap. Constantly lighting my long stocking cap on fire. Right, of course. You got the butt flap, of course, all of it. Yeah. We all know.

But for a warm plate of, a warm glass of milk and a warm plate of tuna cookies. Yeah! Ah, I'm sneaking to the kitchen to get a little treat tonight. A little tuna treat. Ah, tuna and whole milk, my favorite. My favorite midnight snack. Ooh, is someone coming? Blow out the candle.

No one's in here eating tuna. But we'll withhold judgment when we'll review this entire show, but I think a few things were revealed about it. One, I was like, as I was watching a clip, I'm like, this voice, who is introducing him? I recognize this voice. Who is this voice?

Do you guys know the voice? Have you heard that information? Yes, I do know, yeah. Can I take a guess? Is it Neil Patrick Harris? Nope, nope. You wish. You wish it was a performer of that dexterity.

Is it Josh Demaro? Getting closer. Who's R. Waltz? Who does everyone agree is 2025's Walt? Oh, surely Bob Iger. There you go. Yeah, that helped. Surely Bobby Basketball himself, Bob Iger. There you go. Yeah. That helped. Surely Bobby Basketball himself, Bob Iger.

Who do you think of as a warm uncle figure, but trustworthy? Just letting you know that everything's going to be okay, that the future is bright and wonderful, and that the Abu Dhabi park will be very respectful of everyone and everything. I saw a rumor that the budget's $10 billion, which is double the Shanghai. Because this was my, I think this was my bet, is that the budget was gonna be crazy because they're gonna go for the best thing ever.

But that's a rumor that it's like double what Shanghai was. Jesus. That is more than some country's gross domestic product. You got that right. So yeah, anyway. Great, so I don't know if it's true. You got that right. So yeah, anyway. So Disney Abu Dhabi will be, out of the gate, will be better than a lot of countries. Okay. But I, did you watch, did we watch clips of it?

A little. Cause there's this one, I mean the one that I immediately glommed onto is that he's, a kid is asking him, well what do you do? Cause you don't write the stuff, and do you draw the characters? Well no I don't. And then he's, a kid is asking him, well what do you do? Because you don't write the stuff, and do you draw the characters? Well no I don't. And then he's a little stumped,

how do I explain what it is that I Walt Disney do to a child? And then I decided, you know, I like to think of myself as a little bee. I'm a little bee, and I have little bits of pollen, and I carry them all across the studio, and I stir up excitement, and I them all across the studio and I stir up excitement and I stimulate everybody across the studio.

It sounds like workers should be more entitled to the fruits of their labor than you. Well, this is where the little bee has to give you a little sting. Ding ding. Ow. He pulls out the jungle cruise gun. Little pen.

Shoots it in the air. Yeah. It's a strange statement. It's definitely the stickiest aspect of it to me. Walt is little B. I'm just a little B and I go around and I get little pollen bits on my little B butt. I've heard that clip.

My little yellow and black little B butt, and that's me. I've heard that anecdote more in the last couple days than I've ever heard in my life. Like they're like, yeah, they're like hyping that. I don't know, maybe that was the clip everyone could take video of, but I'm like, this was not a historic anecdote that stuck with me. Waltz has Little B?

No, no, I can't say I've ever heard of Little B. Walt going like, okay, here's some shit I don't do anymore. Uh, and then there was another one that sounded like it was the audio directly from an old record, like tape to tape recording. Yeah. Like some of the audio sounds very old and some of it sounds a little too clean. Some of it sounds suspiciously AI perhaps clean.

Yeah, maybe. It is AI clean, yeah. Okay, okay, I believe that is what's happening. I think they said there's no generative AI audio, but there was AI used to clean things up, that's what they claim, I don't know. Just think of artificial intelligence as being like a billion little bees

just gathering bits of data and human thoughts and creative notions thought of by living people and just taking it and spreading it around like little bits of pollinating different other places where people can profit from it. It's a nice thing to think about. I'm really now- Anything you don't like in the world,

think of it as little bees. I am realizing now that my mom was like, they made Johnny Depp look like Johnny Depp. So I guess that was a long time ago. So I'm just remembering there is a figure of a human. But also, you know, he's got all the hair and accoutrements and things kind of, you know, the things that Johnny Depp himself deploys to make himself look more realistic.

Scarves hide 75% of everything on Johnny Depp. Yeah, yeah. I wish that they had come to, if they were like, uh oh, we're sorry, these are hard robots. Everyone knows what Donald Trump looks like. Everyone knows what Walt Disney looks like. I don't know, scarves. Just give him tons of scarves.

Yeah, it works for our aging rock stars. And it should work for robots too. They'll sell realism of hard to grasp robots. Oh, no, go ahead. I was just gonna say, I want everybody to take a step back too when you're talking about the Walt robot. Because it is not like we all like robot shows

for the accuracy of the, we don't go to Chuck E. Cheese to see like amazing robots perform precision movements and play guitar for real. There is something fun about janky robots and it being weird. I disagree. I've watched, I'm kind of a serious foodie and I've watched a lot of chefs table and I've watched real Italian chefs Practicing their craft and let me tell you a Pasquale does not move anything like that

It's like they didn't study the actual hand motions of somebody tossing dough Well, that's much less playing the drums. Good point I think I think Imagineering is at fault a little bit because I think they hyped this up too much Mm-hmm. I think that they were like Disney PR hyped this up as like the most realistic animatronic we're ever going to do. Like this is not ever gonna do, but like we've done so far.

You've never seen anything like this. He's gonna have a twinkle in his eye. It's gonna be unbelievable. Meanwhile, cut to like weird kind of bloated face, Walt, bees or whatever. My voice doesn't sound right. It's like, yeah, we're not really there. They also make him do a lot.

He's got a whole AI monologue to recite, and it's not like, you know, it's like we almost think of an animatronic doing less as being better. Like, let's, you know, President John Tyler, whichever one that is in the row, you know, all he has to do is like, kind of like a... Knot.

Yeah, a knot, yeah, yeah, no, he wiggles a finger and he coughs and that's all that John Tyler does. But if you made John Tyler describe what little animal he is like, then you might start seeing the flaws. I think there's just a little bit of cognitive dissonance between that it's like, older Walt, and the audio's a little weird, and it's like older Walt and the audio is a little weird and it's got more of a range of movement. I think I was saying, Jane, it seems like the animatronic has more

range of movement than later in life Walt likely had. Like if his lungs weren't great, his polar injury flares up all the time. Like I don't know that he was moving this fluidly. That's true, we should all be so lucky as to move our wrists in such a swivel fashion. Yeah, what I'm saying is this animatronic should be in pain, it should feel pain. That's what they should have focused on. It'll land where it needs to in four and a half years

when the maintenance budget goes down. Then it'll be exactly how Walt thought it would in real life. Oh, that's probably accurate. Yeah, yeah. Also, I had a second where I'm like, well, is there just more footage of later in life, Walt? And maybe, but there was so much of like, pre-Disneyland and Disneyland opening, Walt,

that I watched leading up to this, even just clips of it sure sure well it does I mean it is a high bar that they had to me like this like An animatronic that you stare at for a long time that we that we've all stared at for a long time like we've like we Know the subject very well And I'd say it's a difficult thing. I don't know how I'll feel in person. I don't either, I'm interested. I feel like I'm gonna be impressed. I mean, you have to, I don't know. I like your point, Mike, about, if anything, it should be goofier.

It should look weirder and worse. And like, yeah, we'll see. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I was definitely picturing something incredible when they were just reading all those paragraphs about it, about how amazing it was gonna be. There's just, there's no, I think there's, I just think there's logistic concerns

because I think they know that his head doesn't look like that. We have, we know what his head looked like. We can see it from many angles. His head doesn't look like that, it's not the shape. So whatever robot base they start with, I feel like that's what the head has to look like. Whatever guts has to be inside.

You can tell like the details are in there on the face. It's just the way they're stretched out to me. Sure. Makes it look an extra bit odd. Also, what did Walt say when he was alive? He doesn't want a robot built for himself. Do not do this. I don't want it.

Don't do it. I feel like he didn't even like the idea of a statue of him. And now there's a dozen. That's what he said, he didn't want a statue. They did the statue, when they broke the statue rule, he whatever, and he said, I do not want me sitting as a statue in Epcot taking a big shit.

Don't make a statue of me shitting. And they, right out the window they said, make a statue of Walt shitting. They sell Christmas ornaments of that, and my sister-in-law ran into one at Disneyland. She isn't part of any of this discourse, but she just like, as soon as she saw it, she's like, why do they sell a Christmas ornament of Walt Disney taking a dump? Whatever you do, don't build a statue of me shitting by an adults-only bar behind it. Well, Walt was paranoid, but not paranoid enough. He didn't make enough specific requests

of things not to base his. And if you're going to make the bar, at least make it as expensive as all get-out. At least soak the customer. You're, what is the bar name in Epcot that you're referencing, GEO something? I don't know what it's called. Oh, okay.

GEO82. GEO82. Is that right? I don't know. I just wanted to make sure in case the audience, I mean, a lot of our listeners-82. G-O-82. Is that right? I don't know. I just wanted to make sure in case the audience, I mean a lot of our listeners do know about G-O-82 if that's the name of it. But I just want to make sure they know that there's a now adults only bar at Epcot,

which had like no reservations. So I tried to go when we were there a couple weeks ago, but to no avail. I think it's just like a nice place to watch some fireworks for adults only Yeah, what did you really glommed on to the adults? Okay, oh, so these is that a rare thing I believe so really yeah, okay, huh, huh? So yeah, you can get wild in there. Yeah, you can get what now? Hammered.

Hammered body. Not full. Two things Paul would hate to be done in front of children. You can fill up your stomach because I think it's mostly small bites. Okay, yeah. Well, you can eat the little leek in the leek martini that costs like $26.

It's very expensive. That I read a review or two of and it sounds horrible. It's like people really hate the Leek Martini. I wish we could have tried it. Somebody goes there, I actually agreed with Scott for once. I didn't like, just leave those words out. Leave them out. These are words of hate.

They divide us, you see. You know what, it makes me sick to my stomach, but I agree with Scott. It makes me want to throw up everywhere. I feel more nauseated than the food that he's describing makes me, but I actually agree with Scott for one godforsaken time. I'm shocked that a leek stuck in an ounce and a half of gin is not palatable.

Yeah. But we'll have to try it for ourselves, and we'll have to see the animatronic for ourselves, A leek stuck in an ounce and a half of gin is not palatable. Yeah. But we'll have to try it for ourselves. And we'll have to see the animatronic for ourselves. And you better believe that we will not use the name of whatever that show is called. The episode will be called Walt's Robot. Yeah, yeah.

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This is my intention for this episode, besides all the bullshit that we've done so far, is that it's kind of about Disneyland origins. That was sort of my thought. We did something like this for Walt Disney World's 50th anniversary about the origins and the cutting through the brush in order to take a crazy untamed landscape. I remember a lot of talk about shooting snakes in the ground and that kind of thing.

The wildness of buying up the property and doing something so unprecedented. Was this as wild? I don't know, but and doing something so unprecedented. Was this as wild? I don't know, but it was certainly more unprecedented. So I thought this just might be a good area to explore, is the founding of the park, the building of the park, the proto versions of the park that didn't quite come together, the experiences that inspired Waltz to do this, one of the craziest things ever done by a human, I think.

If we go all the way back to the core, this is really wild. It's, to do, to build what he built from scratch when it sort of didn't exist. Yes, there were amusement parks, but they were seemingly at the time, more abrasive and just like obvious money traps and they seemed to be in some cases

violent to the consumer in the way. Dirty and dangerous was a phrase I encountered a couple times. Dirty and dangerous, it was so much to the wrong element that Walt Disney started describing what he wanted to do and they said we don't want any part of that. But also the fact, I was just thinking about how,

think about other major kind of linchpin theme parks. You think about it like a Knott's or a Universal or any of these parks that started as like gardens and then they started adding things. And you know, all right, what if we had like, I don't know, maybe we could have a merry-go-round, or maybe we could have a Ferris wheel, and we could add a roller coaster,

and they kind of gradually become theme parks. Or Universal is grown slowly out of the studio tour, or Knott's is a chicken restaurant that starts putting old wagons and shit out front to look at, and then suddenly, over the course of decades course of decades you look around oh I guess it is a theme park isn't it Disneyland just starts as that while inventing it while being a concept that almost nobody Walt explained it to could really get their heads around yeah no it is it is pretty crazy and I've said this before where it's like the like we wouldn't have I don't think stuff of this cool if it weren't

for this like bold decision to start from to start amazed quote-unquote amazing for the time. Yeah. Like it was just they would it would still be like dirty and dangerous I think. That's what I'm saying. Yeah well like say like if a Six Flags existed and it's still like if a Six Flags existed, and it's still an if because Six Flags is definitely a response to the success of the Disney parks. Yeah. But like that would be, Six Flags would be the zenith.

You would go to modern Magic Mountain, you know, with its like dust and open pipes and distressing looking ride tracks and go, this is incredible, what human beings are capable of. Can you believe it? And you wouldn't be wrong if the other stuff didn't exist because they built these big plates, look at these big things and this tower,

how big this tower is and people go in it, wow. Well, no one's been able to go in that thing for years. Well, that's true. But at one point they could have. But that's amazing in its own way, that they've left it there as a testament to when you could go in it. Yeah, so yeah, no, it's interesting

how this changed the world, it changed the perception of what this place, or a place like this should be. Yeah, it absolutely did. Something I realized, kind of while looking into this stuff, is that the, I mean, certainly the phrase theme park did not exist. And I think Walt started proceeding with these plans

and kind of conjuring whatever this was to him without that word to codify and explain it. But what he did know is that he didn't want it to be an amusement park. And I don't think I realized how much hatred and derision there was about that term at the time. And also, I was putting together how some of the phraseology that everybody makes fun of with the Disney parks,

that it's not employees, that it's cast members, that they're not rides, they're attractions, that you're on stage when you do, so just like, that some of that stuff is not necessarily about onboarding to the cult of Disney. Some of that phraseology was invented to try to separate from the public perception of what amusement parks were.

Because I think they were regarded as, you know, as like falling apart rickety, just there to make a quick buck. And Disney wanted to carve out this other space of, you know, beautiful ornate faces where you feel safe and that are completely there for you, for them to make a quick buck. Yeah, it is marketing at the end of the day, I guess, really is what it is. But I do believe there was a public perception

of what a place like this was. I think that's probably real. There's this story that you can run into. There's this story from Imagineering legend Marty Sklar where he stood near Disneyland ticket booths and heard like an angry guy saying I want to go on the rocket ship okay you hear me and I want to go on the on the flying elephant I want to do that very bad and you better believe I want to go in that little

train but no rides you understand get me on the train and the elephant but no rides And that that was a weird thing from the year because you don't understand those are rides But this is how much what Disney was doing was immediately separate in the public consciousness from I guess from like Whatever tilt the world whirligig wild mouse kind of stuff Yeah, where it's it's visible tracks and there is no theme, and it's regarded as daredevil or just gross money eater kind of stuff. Did he mean like Rocket to the Moon?

Yes. Yeah, okay. That's the one, yeah. So it was a different situation than just a little. But people had it in their heads that rides are terrible. We don't like rides. Rides are gross and dangerous, and they make a lot of sound,

and you see exposed track in a way that bothers me, and it doesn't tell a story. And I don't meet any of my friends on rides. Why, that- There was a quote, I forget who said it, but it's in this video, this like half hour documentary on YouTube by the account AlexTheHistoria,

and the video's called Disneyland Walt's Impossible Dream. And someone, they were quoting someone in that where they said like, if you take away the rides from a theme park, you still have a theme park. Take the rides away from an amusement park, you have a parking lot and a popcorn stand. I thought that was interesting. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, that makes sense. It is just funny that a lot of this stuff is just, things go hand in hand, like just like a ride that goes around in a circle and a ride that's a 3D ride, like you just say rides now. But I understand that that- No, it all landed back at rides, yes.

Right, it ended up in the same spot. But they needed to create this wedge from which, I almost feel like that's still another thing is to figure out like, what was so awful about all these places? Like what was going on at 30s Coney Island that everybody hated so damn. A lot of high flames.

All right. Fire's destroying seemingly everything. Whether it was accident or wind blowing things over or doing it for the insurance money. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. It's interesting because there was, we were talking about on that baseball episode about Shoots Park, which had the baseball stadium inside it

and a ton of rides and maybe a zoo, I forget if I'm misremembering that, but then a Little Nemo and Slumberland ride. It did have an IP ride, but there's no picture of it. So I do wonder like what did that look like? Was it just something that went in a circle and it had a picture on the outside? I'm not sure.

It could have just been that. An original screen ride. Sat a projector set up and they moved it along with your track. Right. I think maybe, I don't wanna give our podcast too much credit, but I think we've, you know, when we're talking, everything is theme parks now.

You know, it was narrow, they had to say, okay, this is an attraction, this is a ride, and now everybody just says rides, because of our podcast, you know, anything is an attraction at this point. Anything is a ride. Things in malls, maybe just a restaurant is an an attraction if it has a theming on the wall I also don't want to give our puck is too much credit for that

I might I might in fact give our puck is zero credit. Okay, you're allowed to not give us credit I have there's something you want to take credit for that you is there something specific and on at you We deserve credit for that. I mean in general general, yes, but not in this avenue, I have to think about it more. Okay, sure. In this arena, I'm not sure. Well, I think your thing about like Optimus Prime saying he's proud of you,

predates a thing I've seen in Disney stuff recently. There's a web series on the Imagineer YouTube channel, and they talk a lot. They didn't use the word story and they didn't say immersive. But what they were talking about was making people feel, like making, causing emotions, causing people to feel emotions.

And then there's video just in the last couple of weeks of Mr. Morrow got a tour of Imagineering and he talks to an Imagineer and Imagineer is talking about causing people to feel emotions and I'm like, is emotions? You know what he's about to give me credit for? Yeah, let's hear it, let's hear it. Give me credit.

Give me credit, yes. I was gonna say, is emotions the new company? Is that the new buzz or is that the new line? But Mike was talking about feeling something. Val Optimus Prime making him feel something years before I heard all this emotion talk. Hold on, hold on, before you talk, hold on, I wanna declare what Jason's given me.

Let's be clear about the argument here. He is accusing me, and I mean that in a good way, good accusation, he's being an emotional tastemaker. That's what I believe he's saying. An early adopter. An early, emotional, adopting tastemaker. See, it's not just about turning people onto the show Bar Rescue that's on 12 times a day on Spike TV.

Right. It's also about turning people onto emotions that are already inside them that they didn't know were there. I love what he just said. I think he's right. Do you now? I think he's right, and I think that I think he's right and I think that I did influence Disney Imagineering to talk more about the emotional

content of their rides. Gentlemen get in here, it's in all hands. All right, I'm glad everyone could make it because we have an emergency on our hands. I've been listening to this podcast and one of the gentlemen who I agree with much more than the other one who actually I never agree with. There's one guy that makes me want to throw up in a Corotid toilet.

Oh my God. I'd rather lick a Corotid toilet than agree with him. If I ever agree with this guy, but this is another guy. First of all, hip and youthful, not part of the story, but I wanted to mention it. Secondly, he made me realize that people are feeling emotions at the end of the Transformers ride because if this guy feels this way and he is an emotional tastemaker, that means there are five million others

who he has led to feel this way too. And we need to up our emotional game. I'm not sure that any Disney attraction has made anyone feel an emotion ever. And that ends today. Yep, I think that's pretty similar to what happened. And I thank my friend Jason for giving me credit for that. I do.

I think so. Now we've already started the plans on this Walt Robot and we're gonna have to get that done. But let's like start cutting the budget and we'll make his head shape not look exactly accurate because we need to start immediately on making a new animatronic of Mike Carlson, the man who taught people how to feel again.

The Walt Robot confusion is an emotion, kind of. Go with that. Yeah, so there's always, yeah. Look, I think there's a lot that, you know what, I was going to say a lot that this podcast has put out there as far as it's influenced all of themed entertainment. But let me just draw that back and say there's a lot of things that I have said and done on this podcast that have influenced themed entertainment. So I wanna just take more credit for myself, not for the two of you, no offense. Sure.

Sure, I guess so. No, cut us out of it, I guess. Yeah, yeah. So you're welcome, you're welcome, everyone. I ask questions like, have we actually influenced anything? Give me one specific and you say Scott, you're not a dreamer like I am. You're not in touch with your emotions like I am.

Right, so I think that, I think, I don't know. So we're gonna get a lot of email I think right now. Hopefully secret email explaining just what we've influenced when it comes to the world. Hopefully secret email. Well, you know, they're not gonna say like, oh, you gave us the idea for this big thing or this big ride or whatever,

or this big moment in the ride. And how are we gonna know? Well, it's gonna be anonymous. I'm saying they're gonna be anonymous. I guess what I'm saying is they can't go on record. They have to be anonymous. So leakers, leakers are gonna have to come out of the Disney organization.

Yes, I think that's right. They're hopping on their secure proton veil. Would you consider if a bunch of our listeners go to Martha's Vineyard, I guess it would be yesterday when this comes out, to see Michael Eisner and ask him questions about camp, would you consider that at least influencing the world in some way?

I think I would. Oh, obviously. Yeah Yeah, well you and you influenced $300 out of their wallets. It's expensive in Martha's Vineyard. It's not expensive at Skirball I know that's a that's a kick in the teeth too that I missed I missed one that cost $20 Yeah, the other one I have to go across the country. It's been 300 bucks. Yeah, it's I think it's the 17th So it's this comes out the 18th. Yeah another second gate Mitch, if you don't know Mike's encounter with Michael Eisner. That is another high watermark for this year's podcasting. I hate to give myself too much credit here, but I'm in the mode. I'm feeling good, I'm feeling myself as they say.

Yeah, yeah. Well, no, you meeting a hero of the show who we've talked about for years, I think is absolutely equal to liking tuna. Equally historic events. Hey, there's a lot of- Only on the second gate. There's a lot of variety in our podcast, which I think is nice too, and there's a lot of variety in the canned fish aisle,

as Jason knows. That's true. There's different sort of like lemon flavored canned fish and tuna. There's obviously, you can get salmon, there's a couple different kinds of salmon you can get in cans, all sorts of things. Chicken in cans?

But as long as they all have that magical, that magic running water, just like a billowing brook. Oh, the crackle of the water is a tuna in a can. Well, some of them are soaking in olive oil. So if you need good fats, that's an easy way to get it. It's more of a high-end choice, but it is good, yeah. When it's a little olive oil in there. Jason just revealed himself as a tuna high roller.

Oh no, I'm a water guy. Okay. But I am a water guy, but I am a solid white albacore tuna, not chunk light. I'll give, I am sure people went out, and Jason, I give Jason all the credit for that tuna episode. His enthusiasm buoyed me and got me, because I am a people went out, and Jason, I give Jason all the credit for that tuna episode. His enthusiasm buoyed me and got me,

because I am a big tuna guy, but he got in the way to that episode. He's the one who got me so excited. So I'm gonna give him, I bet he made people go out and buy canned tuna that day. I bet he influenced people in that way. Yeah, all right, so Mike is an emotional tastemaker, and Jason is a, oh.

Is a little. A little tuna helper. a little tuna influencer. You should do a TikTok tuna account. Well, okay. So a lot of mayo, a lot of black pepper, and then you cover the bowl with foil and put it in the fridge over night. That way it lets the pepper and the mayo sink in. There's like six of you just like preparing

tuna and eating tuna and then just like the seventh one, you have mercury poisoning. I can't do today's production of speed the plow. I've eaten too much tuna and sushi. And on the seventh day he rested because he was forced to because his body completely shut down. And then like, there's no post for a week.

And then you're back doing the exact same thing, six days of tuna posts, and then another mercury. I'm up out with mercury poisoning. There's ways that we could jump around and kind of tell the Disneyland tale in order. But I feel like just in the interest of getting stuff that's interesting fodder for us out. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna de-prioritize

and jump around a little bit. Because I got curious in prepping for kind of a Disneyland origins discussion. I was curious, like is there any book out there that tells some stories that I don't know and that really goes into the nitty gritty of like the Wild West of founding this place and all the weird colorful characters and like the genuine chaos and panic attacks and how crazy

it was, you know, in the months leading up to it. And sure enough, there's a book I didn't know before. It's called Disney's Land by Richard Snow. That is from 2019 and I highly recommend it. There's a lot of good anecdotes in there, which I'll jump around and share a bunch of. But one of the main things that it shined a light on for me, just to bring it back to what we were just talking about, are the similarities between Walt Disney

and I would say both of you, but I would say especially Jason Sheridan. I just kept noticing these thematic, these like, just like shared interests. And I guess it makes sense that, you know, maybe all of us would have a little Walt in us, because we grew up, you know, he is part of our childhood and the stew of our interests.

But that word stew that I just used, one of his interests was stew, which feels like one of Jason's as well. Yeah, but can I illustrate what I'm talking about? I'm curious. I was shocked That it was a runner through this book how many important decisions Walt Disney made Using a hot dog based mindset So let me let me jump through those a little bit. One is, okay, there's this term that we have referenced

through the years and it's still a relevant term because it's like the giant theme park landmark or ornamentation or whatever that lures you toward it and through the park, deeper into the park. And that is the term weenie. And I think we've always found that term a little odd, understandably. Tell me if you guys knew this.

I don't think I realized that it is called weenie because it is specifically a hot dog thing. That this methodology came from Walt Disney's Love of Hot Dogs. Is this familiar at all? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I thought that it was like a weird, came from Walt Disney's Love of Hot Dogs. Wow. Is this familiar at all? I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

I thought that it was like a weird, like old, like Walt didn't really go to, like, ah, there's the weenie over at the big pep rally, or like some of those things. You know, the things people did for fun before the concept of fun exists, you know? Or like an old phrase or something. I just had an encounter outside of that. That really is, actually, you know? Or like an old phrase or something. I just had an encounter outside of that.

That really is, actually, you know, you got kind of oddly heavy there, because that is true. Walt did kind of like, would there be fun today in a mass scale? Like, Walt bridges the gap between a time where there was no fun, and he creates like a really,

like one of the best ways to have fun, for all manner of of people. Yeah we'd still be cramming in phone booths and sitting on flagpoles or whatever they did back in the early 20th century. Yeah wearing straw hats with two color stripes on them. Pretty neat just one maybe that wouldn't be fun but I added a second. Well, okay, so here's a passage from this book. Okay, so, all his life, Walt remained fond of hot dogs, and when he came home from work, he'd often pull two raw frankfurters out of the refrigerator and eat one while sharing the other with Duchess,

his poodle. New mythology, I didn't know Duchess. I didn't know Duchess either, that was great. Duchess the hot dog poodle. He dispensed it by increments, walking from room to room with Duchess, following him always after the next morsel. Just as the hot dog lured Duchess,

so would his weenies beckon his custer. So that was the idea of a castle or a rocket ship or the primary ones in the lands, the rocket ship in Tomorrowland, the Mark Twain. And then it goes on to say, Disney knew from the start what the weenie of frontier land would be, the tall stacks of a Mississippi River steam wheeler.

That's where I'm into, this is double Jason Terry. He's like, I know what the metaphorical representation of a hot dog will be in my park. An old boat, an old steamboat. It's hot dog on top of steamboat. And I guess we should have a cast, because I made all these goddamn fairy tale movies. Do something for the girls, I guess.

Yeah, that's interesting that in his mind, a hot dog is the most desirable thing. You could tell. The lure that no dog or man could possibly resist. I'm wondering if this is how he hit it off with, well, someone recommended Harrison Buzz Price, the man who would go on to find the land for Disneyland. Yes. As well as Disney World, and help with Disney World and Tokyo Disneyland.

Tokyo too, wow, wow. But he was very good about condensing demand and consumer behavior and like, how many burgers are we gonna sell, how many hot dogs will we sell in a day, to like a spreadsheet, to like a number. And I, did Walt in an early meeting go like, hot dogs, now you're speaking my language.

I mean it sounded like he had hot dogs on the brain constantly. Can I, I'm not trying to cram an old TV reference into you for nothing. I'm just wondering out loud. We'll talk about things from the 1950s. I think it is fair. I'm just wondering out loud.

In the Patty Duke Show opening, there's a line about how a hot dog makes her lose control. Is there like an old time thing where humans got very excited about having a hot dog? Is there like, was hot dog like kind of just the most fun You call it an old time thing, it's a current time thing. Fair enough. Jason, do you have a hot dogs in the house?

Right now, no, just still some of those frozen corn dogs. It's close. I'm gonna count it. I'm gonna count it, but yeah, okay. Give us an update. By the end of the year, we wanna hear that those have been consumed and enjoyed. Oh boy, it was a big box.

How many? That feels like something that a little mascot, a little 1920s mascot on a corndog box would say. Oh boy, it was a big box. It was a big box. Yeah, so, and I guess like when we were kids, hot dogs were really fun. I've said this before, like we would play soccer

and you'd get hot dogs after the game and that was my favorite part of the game. Oh, a weenie, a weenie for you to play soccer? Yeah, they'd have like, it was like they were steamed, they were in these like, just like foil and they'd have been in a little box. You'd run off the field and get a hot dog and a soda and you'd try to get there fast so you could get

the orange soda, because that was the most desirable one. But I don't know, is there just something in the human brain and especially in an old-time context that hot dogs were this like amazing thing to get I don't feel that way about them I have one once in a while and I like them but I don't I don't like you don't consider them one of your primal carnal desires not anymore not maybe I did canned tuna of course okay that's bad that's your bad you do tuna melt canned tuna, of course. Well canned tuna is a different story. That's your patty, dude. Ooh, a tuna melt. Canned tuna makes me lose control.

Well I would say a tuna melt makes me lose control, specifically. But not necessarily a hot dog. Hot dog doesn't make me lose control anymore. So I'm just wondering what the changing case with hot dogs. This is why I associated with Jason in particular, because if Walt was a person trying to stay in touch with his inner child, and if that's what Jason's doing,

then maybe that love of hot dogs correlate, maybe if you don't have a love of hot dogs, you can't truly be one with your inner child. That's a good point, because obviously my inner child loves hot dogs too, in a stronger way than I do now. Mm-hmm. So, well just keep eating.

But you need the garden, you need the Chicago dog with that neon relish and the tomatoes and the big pickle sphere. I love that, I'm totally into that, but I don't need it. You give me a soggy bun hot dog that's been steamed, and I know this is blasphemous, coming from Chicago, you give me a little ketchup, that's been steamed, and I know this is blasphemous, coming from Chicago, you give me a little ketchup, that's actually all I need.

I, it's all I need. I like all the other accoutrements, but I don't need them. So I don't know, I'm wondering out loud about America and the world's love affair with hot dogs. And Jason's current love affair with hot dogs. Well, we'll find out when, Trump is going to institute it as the new national food, as the only food that's allowed.

The new food pyramid. Shaped like a big bun and it's just different, yeah, hot dog. Is he, I don't think he's, is he a hot dog guy? I don't know if his stance on hot dogs has been. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Leno's a hamburger and hot dog guy. For sure. Pizza, hamburger, hot dogs.

Fried chicken. Fried chicken, yes. They're similar people that they, somehow they stay at it and the energy stays high despite the diet being that. Right. Mm-hmm. So, I don't know.

And yet why do I, I don't think it would work, I think if we all switched to full-time hot dogs only I guess you have to you have to be committed from birth. I think yeah Yeah, you can never there can't be as many the waters by mixing corn dogs in there It can only write hot dogs if you want Jay Leno's energy you can only eat hot dogs, right? Let me say my other hot dog related Walt Disney fact Disney used hot dogs to plot the placement of trash cans related Walt Disney fact. Disney used hot dogs to plot the placement of trash cans. He happily ate with the construction crews from the site's food trucks, universally known as roach coaches, and his favorite fare was frankfurters. At this point the book makes a note of something

that we've definitely talked about before, which is that Mickey Mouse's very first spoken words were hot dogs, hot dogs. Disney would bring a Frank away from a lunch wagon and pace off the distance. It took him to eat it. At the point where he finished, he indicated that a receptacle should be planted to receive the wrapper. Wow.

Now this could be trouble if it was a different person pacing off those hot dogs, because you might only go three bites. And now all of town square is, now you've got 600 trash cans, assuming that people can devour hot dogs as fast as you. Yeah, well, but see, he didn't use hot dogs to space out water fountains,

because that was an anecdote I heard, was that opening day, the chaos day at Disneyland, which the media called Black Sunday and Walt did not like. There were no water fountains, so everyone felt pressured to buy soda. Yes, yeah. I think it was an accusation after the fact that that was a planned, that was a calculated decision

in order to force soda sales to go up. But in fact, it's that the plumbers had gone on strike so recently and only barely gotten back on board that it was the choice of, are we gonna have water fountains or toilets? And if you can only have one, toilets would be the necessary one. Now, I saw that that did not necessarily fix the chaos

because there was a whole, first of all, apparently they just put a bunch of pay toilets in that Walt himself didn't find out about until like a week later. And it was one of the reasons why there was a little bit of falling out between Walt and this guy C.V. Wood, who was a big part of the early tale and of finding the sites and a lot

of functional stuff but that was one thing that they got in a fight about was like there's a bunch of paid toilets and he was like I don't know well if there are get rid of them and he did and they looked into it and there were like nickel operated you had to you maybe had to wait in a lot at least on that black Sunday and that first day potentially a restroom line as long as a line for an attraction then you get to it and then you got to put money into it like you're the bus station But apparently but that but it either he knew and he was trying to like Literally nickel and dime knowing that this place was hemorrhaging money from the get-go or also things were so chaotic that he didn't know

And he just told a bunch of people like put toilets in we only got a couple days and the like what they had available Were coin operated oh they just ends it up like this is cuz nobody checked. I don't know they never said Maybe they should be going operated First of all I think they're in the near future will they'll be back to coin operated Yeah, and I think they'll be the bellwether on that and like all places will slow. We will, our children will not know there was a time when you could just pee freely, to quote a funny name. You're living in the past. It's not coin operated, you download Toilet,

an app with all the valves removed. Genie Toilet. And then you pay. Genie Toilet. I think they'd have to be free at Disneyland or else it would be a giant Toxic Way site. But I mean, some cities, I think, have long had paid toilets.

I think though, if you have your Magic Band on it, it just charges your account when you sit down on the bowl. Oh, sure. Because it'll have a sensor there. And at first it becomes general admission, but then it starts counting amounts of stream, amounts of splash, amounts of plops. I know you're just sitting in there looking at your phone.

I know you're trying to get some peace and quiet, even though it smells like waste. You're blocking potential customers. Every plop means money in my pocket. Love to hear that splash splash. Splish splash equals judging. I have a very gross question, but it cannot leave my mind before I ask it.

Okay, Walt's in the park a lot. He has an apartment. If he's sort of deep in fantasy land and he feels like he has to go number two, does he go to the apartment? Does he walk all the way back? What kind of a guy do you think he was? Or would he just go in the nearest place?

Because if I had an apartment in Disneyland and I had to shit, I would just go back to my apartment. That's a comfortable place. But do you think he was the kind of guy who's like, ah, whatever, I'm just gonna go here? Or do you think he would go back in the comfort of his own place? I feel strongly about my answer from a couple of angles.

One, well, you're first, you're saying he's just gonna poop in a bush? No, like in a real bathroom. Oh, okay, oh, wait, okay. You are still describing bathrooms not. Yeah, sorry, sorry, yeah. I went to wilderness, and like, no, I don't think this head of a movie studio is going to,

okay, but now that I've gotten that out of my head. Would he pee, though, maybe, just in the bushes? I don't think he's doing any of it. If it was off, the park was closed. Oh, maybe. I mean, in the way that, you know, sometimes it does just feel good to just like, oh, nature, let's just do it.

I think if you owned Disneyland, if you were Disney, wouldn't you have to just pee in open, if you had to pee. If you had to pee yourself. Right, and you pee in some bushes in Fantasyland. Now that, see I was acting like it was an obvious question, but that, I mean, I think maybe he was too stressed in 55, first couple months,

when maybe we're rounding the corner, we're getting to like the Matterhorn expansion, he's feeling himself, like you know what, this place is, all my dreams have come true, but one hasn't, I'm just gonna like get fully naked and just pee right in front of the castle, right on the north, south, east, west. Yeah, the official company line, Uncle Walt stuff,

doesn't talk about him naked having a breakdown or peeing on the like, that center of the park. No, no, I have some stuff about breakdown. I found more vulnerable Waltaltz in this book than I realized existed. While we're talking about bathroom stuff, I have a story. Hold on though.

Oh wait, I do, can I answer the question? Yes, please. Yes, because the other part, I was gonna say, because he always like, he picks up rappers and stuff. So no, I don't think he's just gonna poop in front of the Snow White ride, but that's not what you were implying. I didn't mean that, yes, I didn't mean that.

But the other, another thing I found out about him, which I think maybe applies to, I'd say, all of us and a lot of people listening, you know, this thing where maybe we, getting a little exercise is like, oh, that's a pain in the ass, but then Disneyland, you're there and like, fucking, I walked 29,000 steps out of that avenue,

or I sprinted to get into this ride that I, because I wanted to get in before it closed. That's apparently how Walt was in Disneyland and before it even opened. Like, when it was just a construction site, there were stories of like, I'll meet you over there, and then like a guy, like, well, it's gonna be faster to drive,

and then he gets in his car and Walt's been there for a while. Like Walt was just the flash around that place. He just like, there was something about how it lit him up, the idea of it lit him up and he knew the space better than anybody that he could just like zip and bound and had like an energy nobody expected from a man that age. So with that knowledge I think he can,

yeah I think he can essentially teleport back to his own private toilet. And I think, and an apartment that was all, the decor was all meant to like remind him of how his mother decorated their childhood home. It was like this particular cranberry red. And if that was all meant to relax him, I mean, I think that would imply that, you know,

when do you need to be relaxed the most? Right, when your balls need to be relaxed. Yeah, so you go look at the soft cranberry red of your bathroom and just let it flow. There's footage of him riding his bicycle, riding bicycle around the lands too. Oh really, I don't know if I've seen that. So I'm sure that. I've seen that, yeah.

What do you, do you agree? Do you agree with this? I'm asking your opinion as well. Are you going all the way back? I think so. I mean, I feel like when it was underdeveloped, when it was a lot of dirt being moved, I feel like it kind of,

see, Parmen Main Street was finished pretty early. I'm wondering if he's like, well, I'll just use the Johnny on the spot that the construction workers are using you think you might have been sort of still see you can smoke wherever you know so you the smell place yeah oh interesting he's got a man of the people argument I've got like a speed and comfort I don't know the validity to both I mean you know maybe he played it how he saw it every day.

Every day was a different day. Like Disneyland, choose your own adventure. Go to the land you wanna go to. You got a knee jerk there? I think he did. I think he did and I'm just, I'm curious what happened in that apartment. What other things?

You think he did, he would go back to the apartment. I think so. Because why wouldn't you? happened in that apartment. What other things? You think he would go back to the apartment? I think so. Because why wouldn't you? You got an apartment. But like, yeah, what would he... I mean, you have to think of the equivalent of like, you know, it feels ridiculous that we have, you know, we wouldn't have apartments at Disneyland.

But if you had a really close hotel room, you know, you're probably gonna make that choice. Yes, exactly, yes. If you're like, by the Grizzly Challenge Trail and you're in St. Anne, Grand, California and you gotta go, I'm going? Yes, exactly, yes. If you're like, if you're like by the Grizzly Challenge trail and you're in staying in Grand Californian and you gotta go, I'm going back in the hotel, yeah. That's gonna be nice. Even like none of us live too far

from Universal Studios Hollywood. If your options are your home or the parking garage toilets, which occasionally look like a horrific crime has been committed with waste. You're like, well, I'll wait till I get home. That's yeah. But if we're tight, I think I'd make an emergency situation. Well, yeah, we're not that close. We had a can of chili and four hot dogs and yeah, all of a sudden you gotta go. Well, you have to take that into account that while it was probably with his diet, he was probably often in emergency situations. Oh yeah.

The wall was probably, with his diet, he was probably often in emergency situations. Oh yeah. I heard, and I never heard, I always heard the story about, oh yeah, the shopping list on his fridge and they recreate it in the studio kitchen replica at the Disney Family Museum about, like, I like these kinds of Jell-O.

I like Quir-Mel chili and Denison's chili. Apparently would travel the world with a can of Denison's chili to have something safe or something a little close to home. No. For comfort or to eat? For comfort, to eat. He wouldn't like sleep with the can on his pillow

or something. No, no. He would give a little kiss before he went to bed. That's interesting. Like his little, his bedtime stuffy. I guess you can't bring a can. I've always got you, Denison. You'd have to bring like a rubber made full of chili on a plane I guess you can't bring a can. I've always got you, Denison. You'd have to bring like a rubbermaid full of chili on a plane now, you can't bring the can.

Probably not. Well, how does that, you know, we've lost the shoe rule. Yeah, that's true. Or do we still consider it a weapon to have a rusty, a chili can opener, a chili can lid? Jason would know how many ounces of chili can you bring on a plane? Well, any liquid, it's three ounces.

Oh, but do they count as liquid liquid because they got beans in it. I Don't know. I think they can't I feel like I've heard they count pie filling as a liquid You haven't tested I haven't tested how many ounces of pie filling you can take on a plane I don't know that we have lost a shoe by the way Oh, that's just being talked about as about? It was talked about and sometimes, depending on the scanner, they'll send a crop through without taking out the shoes. But I was in a wheelchair at the airport last time

and they were like, take your shoes off. And I was like, fuck. Oh. No, but it's a recent thing. Last week or something. Oh, last week. Or like two weeks ago or something. Maybe it's not, it's a done deal.

I haven't looked too far into it, but that's when I saw a headline. It was two weeks ago or something. Maybe it's not, it's a done deal. I haven't looked too far into it, but that's when I saw a headline, two weeks ago maybe. If you're in a wheelchair, you got plenty of nooks and crannies to put a bunch of, I don't know, grenades. Why are you using the shoe? Well, and it's their wheelchair, it's the airport's wheelchair, but they still make you like.

Oh, I love the kinds of cracks. If it's their wheelchair, they shouldn't be worried about the Breaking Bad scenario. Unless you really studied that type of wheelchair, you go to the bathroom with it, you do like a complex sewing operation and like quickly sew a grenade in between two almost invisible layers of the seat. Right. And they're also just checking for hidden chili.

Yeah. If you could bring your chili in. You gotta sneak it in. Take a shampoo bottle. It could be too spicy. Clear out the shampoo, put a bunch of chili. Yeah. If you could bring chili in. Secret hidden chili. You gotta sneak it in. Take a shampoo bottle. It could be too spicy. Clear out the shampoo, put a bunch of chili in there. The aroma, the spice irritates people's eyes from just being in the presence.

Right. What was your bathroom story? Because we still didn't get to it. My bathroom story, yes. I saw this a couple places, but apparently it is sourced back to Bob Thomas's biography of Roy. And there's variations of it out there,

but Roy and his wife drove down on the opening day of Disneyland, and they were supposedly having cake and coffee in the car in their reserve spot. And a parking attendant came over, and this is where the story varies, whether it was a school bus of children or just kids in cars who had been in traffic for too long. And they're like, Mr. Disney, they've been stuck in traffic for hours.

Kids are just getting out of the cars and peeing in the parking lot. And Roy Disney was just so happy that all these people actually showed up. He said, uh, God bless him, let him pee. I had never heard that story before. I have never heard God bless him, let him pee. So. That's not under his statue at Disney World? Oh, with me? What, with him and Minnie? That was around? That was a first draft.

They went with something a little more dreary. Yeah, well, I mean, that's pretty close to the Mickey sentiment we were saying. Basically, yeah. Splish splash equals cha-ching. Yeah, well,'s sweeter sound? Ah, the chorus of 100, 100 children.

Youth urinating, yeah. Nasty, minor urination in the heart. That's really funny, celebrating that. You know what's funny is that I also have a Roy P related thing, I already did a search for hot dog in my document, now I'll search for P. This actually kind of like explains the relationship between him and Walt a little bit.

This was like a childhood anecdote. Okay, so when Walt and I were on the farm in Marceline, we had to sleep in the same bed. Now, Walt was just a little guy, and he was always wetting the bed, and he's been peeing on me ever since. Presumably a metaphor for their relationship where Walt was the creative one,

and Roy was the one who had to clean up the mess, so to speak. But he doesn't say it was metaphorical. We don't know. Maybe after a number of Scotch mists, Walt didn't know what he was doing and found himself peeing on his brother. There's in the Keith Richards autobiography,

he talks about like, I think that when they, Rolling Stones were young, they're just like pissing on each other. I was like, is that an old thing? Is that an old time thing? The things that used to give us joy and vim and vigor, hot dogs and peeing on your friends. Peeing on your friend.

All right, drop the mics everyone, let's try it. Let's try peeing on each other. Uh, yeah, I don't know. Let's make like the 70th and celebrate happy. Guys, we're peeing on each other right now. Wow, celebrate happy, I forgot that tagline. Celebrate happy. Yeah, it happened, we have the song.

The song exists. The Jonas Brothers song. Yeah, uh-huh. And we're gonna do an episode, well, about the new verse, the Small World verse. Okay. I think. Sure. If we.

It's a new verse for It's a Small World. Has it been installed or is it, I think it's the 17th. It's a Small World. Is it been installed or I think it's the 17th. It's being installed in the 17th. Michael Eisner is doing Martha's Vineyard on the 17th. Oh, interesting, the same day, right? Am I wrong? Well that would be fascinating if he had any desire to talk about Disney stuff, but as we know,

he's talking about his book Camp. He's talking about Camp and Martha's Vineyard. He will avoid the conversation veering to Disney stuff as best as he can, as we have sort of done throughout this. I've kind of started it by jumping all around and focusing on hot dogs and what have you, but maybe there's a way to provide a little bit of structure. There's regular cold,

and then there's the mountains are blue cold. Mountain cold refreshment. Coors light. The chill choice. Celebrate responsibly. Must be legal drinking age. No Frills delivers. Get groceries delivered to your door from No Frills with PC Express.

Shop online and get $15 in PC optimum points on your first five orders. Shop now at nofrills.ca. To this thing, because some of the stuff that I just wanted to make sure that we hit, and I think there's value in hitting, is just like, is the path to Disneyland? Like what is all of the stuff that causes this insane anomaly to happen?

That is a fully original invention, despite these somewhat seedy amusement parks existing. Certainly related to those, but also it was literally laughed off by the people who run amusement parks. There was this event where they brought a bunch of amusement park heavies and presented them the plan

to try to get some advice and tips. And what the advice and tips that the Disney people got were don't do this, your plan sucks. It was a long laundry list of how like you got every single aspect of it wrong. This like down to like from little things like you only have one entrance, that's crazy. To like you don't have a carnival,

you don't have barkers and side shows. You gotta have side shows, you gotta have freaks. You mean you don't have a carnival you don't have barkers and side shows you gotta have side show you gotta have freaks you mean why are you even bothering but truly they were like so discouraged from like that and I think Walt heard all that stuff and knew he was on to something I guess I will literally be the opposite of everything that's existed so far if all of them are telling me don't do this. But in terms of going back to why does this happen, and I feel like we've probably touched on this before a little bit, but I think the big broad strokes thing

that was really crystallized to me is that it obviously all comes from Walt's interest in trains, you know? He ended up with a backyard train and at a certain point in his life, he got a lot more interested in trains than he would. This childhood interest came back so strong. And in the way that some people,

like it becomes like a later in life hobby, model railroads, and just having this thing to tinker and to fixate on and don't think about all the problems and don't get upset and scared about stuff. You've got this, you've got this to worry about. That feels like Walt in Disneyland. What I'm saying is, I feel like Disneyland is the world's biggest midlife crisis.

It was this like, he suddenly got this ravenous desire for his hobby to be as all encompassing as it possibly could be, to overtake his original job, which he's an absolute genius at, but yet started resenting so thoroughly. But he just like, you know, like a little backyard display instead becomes like a manic obsession that the whole world can participate in. It's interesting because it reminds me like a lot of things do, of hearing Grant Morrison talk about Superman.

It's like Superman has the exact same problems as everybody. It's just on a crazy scale. And he does all the same stuff. He takes the dog for a walk, but he takes the dog for a walk around the moon. He, like, when he has a problem with Lois, he's having a problem that's like a big fight, like there's a crazy fight going on in the city.

Like, it's all at all scale, depending on what the person's resources are, depending on what their situation is. So Walt has the money and the resources to, yes, enact what you're saying, which I agree with, a midlife crisis on an amazing scale. Just an unbelievable, and I think a lot of people that have a lot of money do that as well,

with different versions of it and some things are bad and some things are good. Yeah, so often the way these things play out are bad. Some of them are perfectly innocent. I mean, you think of like, this almost feels like the large scale version of like, I don't know, like devoting a bunch of space in your house to shelf after shelf of zones where, I don't know,

the Ninja Turtles can rock out with Bucky O'Hare and the. Jamira Quay. And Jamira Quay and the singer of Thin Lizzy. And you know, just like meticulously crafting little worlds that are just as you want them to be, so much so that your mom and daughter are not really welcome in these little worlds. It's kind of like that, except.

Mom, not daughter is, not mom. That's for a different reason. The daughter is if she's supervised. Well, yeah, there's too many tiny parts. So, safety issue. Yes, they are. This is probably obvious. She's not eating stoppages,

but you know, one or, yeah, it's dangerous. Problem I didn't have with first child at all, second child, this is an emergency five alarm fire every day. He is always trying to eat shit. This is interesting, because yeah, my daughter wasn't so bad, but it was sometimes a problem. And I'm interested, because sometimes I would be like,

I'm parenting my daughter, and I'm like, I think Scott's first born was not like this. No, I think we're very different Yeah, so but I think number two is my daughter is like she goes hey dad like daddy come here And she will take her she's on the couch She'll hurl herself off headfirst on the couch knowing that I will just dive to catch her She gets so close her head gets so close hitting the ground And I go you can't you have to tell me you're gonna do that.

And she just cackles. And I'm like, what's going on? Yeah, my son has been laughing uproariously at the word no. Oh, yeah. This makes me a tad concerned. I think you're about to, yeah. I think you're about to have a different type of child. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, perfect. Well, perfect five years into the other one now that I'm much more tired. You should have had the If I had a way to write you could have shown me the brains on paper and like all right plant that one first Yeah, I'll have more energy Anyways, but yeah, I don't know. I feel like there is something to this and and you know In terms of stuff that we've talked about before We did an episode on the second gate a couple years ago called Walt's Polo Injury, which on its face

is about this previous obsession with him, a polo and how it wiped him out, how that's a very hardcore sport, that's what we all learned together. Ample opportunity, you you had multiple people died while playing it with him, and he had some close calls. Big injuries, these lead to long, long massage sessions with a character we love to talk about, Hazel, his nurse.

She offers the suggestion that he take up a calmer hobby as he approaches his 40s. I don't know when, the injury was what, late 30s, late 1930s, so late 30s his age as well. But somewhere between 30s and 40s, he's having to calm down. He can't go like, cause a ruckus with the polo boys anymore. Yes, apparently sports played on top of horses

where you could get knocked off. That also involve. Leaping injury or death. Yes, yes. Hammer, mallets. Yes, also involve blunt objects, yes. Cannon ball type, super hard balls. Yeah, yes, oh right, yeah that too.

Yeah, you're firing cannon balls at your fellow men on horses. And you are not a professional horse rider. You're an animator. So, like, all right, so that's in the picture, right? He's having to like slow down and find another interest. And he's also getting like seemingly very bitter. Like it's a rough ride.

You know, he's got the Snow White run, but then, and then Snow White gives him the money to open Burbank Studio, so he owns that land now, and that's a whole realm of possibility, but then the war happens, and that wipes out a lot, and that kind of wipes out, like, in some ways, like the quality of the films, right? Like he comes out of the gate with,

the first ones are Snow White, Fantasia, Pinocchio, and then 40s you get into that weird, what's happening? Like government ordered victory through air power. Well that, and they all get short and it's two shorts combined. It like gets a lot less clean, right? Yeah, and those keep the studio afloat, I think. Yeah, they're probably gonna have it short, keep it af afloat especially while a lot of animators were drafted.

Oh right yeah yeah yes but I think by that he's not like as proud of the output or feels like he's not making good on the promise as much. There's a giant strike that leaves him like upset and bitter and like I don't know who I can trust here anymore. Just kind of like burst the bubble of optimism for him. So he's becoming this kind of weird grouch in his late 40s, in the late 1940s, and probably venting all of this to his nurse, Hazel, who's telling him, you gotta calm down, you gotta change your ways.

And I think, and somewhere in here, I think he, maybe, I don't know if this was already bubbling or if this was her suggestion, I think we touched on this in the Apollo episode, but she suggests trains as a calm, Pabbie, and also tells him about this big train show that's happening in Chicago that maybe he could go check out.

Ward Kimball, legendary animator, as obsessed with trains, I think he, actually he's not obsessed with trains yet. He calculates, I should go talk to Ward Kimball. He seems relaxed all the time, probably because of all those trains. And he had a backyard train, so he's like, it's like grass is greener in the neighbor's yard

kind of situation, like, why is that guy calmer than me? I gotta go steal everything he likes. I apologize I'm having intrusive thought that I have to share yeah the scene in the master where Amy Adams is masturbating for Seymour Hoffman yeah is that the scene where Hazel George doing that to Walt going trains trains you need to go to get trains and calm yourself down choo-choo right change change yeah. It's like, right, trains, trains, yeah, right. And then from that on, it was like, good, trains, this is the thing now.

Imagine this is a big steams stack. We gotta release the pressure. I would put a couple hundred bucks that it's similar to it. Yeah. I really would. I think that was probably similar to what maybe actually happened.

Similar energies, similar diets. I bet, I forget the master's name, but I bet a lot of hot dogs in his diet. Yeah, absolutely. You know how there has been a lot of sexuality in my boobies since Boogie Nights? I think I got a new scene. Oh, what happens?

Oh no. Is that Paul that Paul? That voice I was like what happened to Paul Just didn't know he switched care he switched characters to Maya Rudolph that was what happened in the He's Maya Rudolph. That was what happened in that sketch. Sorry, I'm a man of a thousand voices. No, I know. I like Waltz, I say the voices.

Before you knew it, he's Maya Rudolph. So anyways, he and Ward pair up and they go to this thing, to the Chicago, let me get the thing, the Chicago Railroad Fair, and forgive me, we might've touched on some of this in that episode, but this is not only a chance to see a bunch of trains and to go up in the front and blow the whistle woo woo, but also there's a lot of themed environments there.

It's this big fairgrounds kind of situation, like a mini world's fair, but that's devoted to trains and that's devoted to Americana, and there's a French Quarter, New Orleans area, and there's a dude ranch, and there's a fake national park with a fake geyser. It's all, it's a, so, you know, you're starting to see the seeds of what becomes Disney.

It's basically an environment where you're having fun, assuming you like trains, woo woo choo choo, but also that you're like, you're in like a living museum. You're not like, you know, you're in a living museum. You're not just staring at artifacts. You're part of it. And on the same trip, they went to, it's Henry Ford's little, his equivalent of Colonial Williamsburg, Greenfield Village,

which is a similar thing. I just like all the details of it. OK, so it's like, it's detailed down to the wardrobe. Like, you know, you don't just go into like an old west themed restaurant. Like, you know, all the waiters and waitresses are dressed that way. It's period clothing, it's fully immersive.

That tells the tale of America. That was also Henry Ford trying to tap into, like, let me recreate my childhood. Another, like, extremely rich man using his wealth to just try to reset things the way they were. And so these are all together are the ideas. You could call them influence, you could call them, maybe it is just Walt, like, I'm gonna take that,

I'm gonna take that, I'm gonna take that. I'm gonna take my friend Ward's interest in trains, I'm gonna take what that Chicago Railroad show did because it's not very well documented and it was temporary. So I'll just do that forever. But also put my characters in it and that's what I'm gonna do. Yeah, and somehow that's the only thing you can do

is a creative person. You just take things you like and you mix them all in a big stew. You put them in a big stew. Put them all together. Stir them up and hopefully the stew is delicious. Sometimes what you like is literally a big stew, you put them in a big stew, and stir them up, and hopefully the stew is delicious. Sometimes what you like is literally a big stew. And like a real life, midlife crisis,

Walt's obsession with getting Disneyland built in right also came with the, I don't know how much of this is a narrative after the fact, but everyone going, this isn't gonna work, fuck you, like this is such a waste, you're gonna be penniless. You know? Yeah, yeah. No, it makes no sense.

Although some people were mobilized. On the other hand, there were people, in the way, there's that story of him like acting out all of the entire tale of Snow White to the animators, and they were so moved by the end, and everybody felt so mobilized by what we have to be part of.

There's also people who were working at the studio who got so excited about the idea of Disneyland that they started like, can I donate? Can I give my own money to be part of that? Which seems like the ultimate dream of a, you know, of a meta or a Tesla kind of company. Yeah. Can we, all right, like we're gonna pitch all the stuff we want to do.

Now, do you, the employee, want to finance it? Well, yeah, well, right. Will I have shares? If they could profit share, now that's a different story, but I have a feel. Well, hold on now. The strike was bad and now they're profit sharing. Now, there's another thing from Walt's childhood. This was kind of news to me. in the literature. Now there's another thing from Walt's childhood.

This was kind of news to me. I missed this particular mythology, but another thing that was faint in his memory, you gotta go back to when he was 10 years old for this, a place he was trying to recreate a little bit called Electric Park. You guys ever heard of Electric Park before? Yeah. Yes, a little bit, but yes, go ahead.

This was in Kansas City, Missouri. It was 15 blocks from where the Disney's lived. But this was just like a particularly ornate, beautiful fairground kind of place. Train running all the way around the grounds, daily fireworks at closing time, and then like beautiful or or innate landscaping and nighttime lighting.

And these were big things, faintly in the childhood memory, and fully in the memory because it wasn't anything he could go revisit in order to plan Disneyland because it burned to the ground in 1925. That's what happened back then to a music. Well, it's called Electric Park. You've got whatever the crazy electricity apparatuses were

back then to make Electric Park. And another thing that gets really weird is that this park burning to the ground was witnessed by a young Walter Cronkite. Wow, really? Yeah. That's weird. And that he could, like, of all the people,

the kind of like, you know, voices that you trust to be able to then poetically, like, you know, like, oh wait, do I have his quote? The twin blazes raced up and down with the speed of the cars that once toured the tumultuous circuit. Wow. Like Stardust Racers burning.

Yeah, wow. That would, that's where he perfected his taking his glasses off and rubbing his eyes that he mastered during the Kennedy. Yeah, it was the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did it. He turned his head a little bit. That felt good.

I'll follow that away for later. The other thing he witnessed too, Walt Disney witnessed was the White City, which is what they called the World's Fair, the exhibition that his father worked at. The Chicago World's Fair. Oh, his father worked at that, right? His father helped, his seemingly emotionally distant father, possibly abusive father, is seemingly emotionally distant of father.

Yeah, yeah. Possibly abusive father. Possibly. It was the old days, of course he was abusive and emotionally distant. Well, no, yeah, no abuse was documented because it was just expected. Yeah, that hasn't been seen. Nobody ever wrote down an abuse case in the year 1907.

Yeah. Imagine if you went to the police, they'd go, uh, yeah, and there's birds in the sky. What do you mean? Of course. Get out of here. Yes. Uh, um, by the way, just also this place seemed

like, electric part seemed like a blast to me. Look what, listen to what they did at their opening ceremony. Uh, they, they offered a pet night in which children won prizes for displaying the largest, smallest, and most deformed dog. Gee whiz. Ha ha ha.

What a, this is exactly what you were saying, Jason. The time before fun was fun. Ha. Like, gather round, kids. Who's got the freakiest looking dog? Who's got the nastiest little. Anybody got a five eyed out there? The nastiest little freak in the animal kingdom.

Another day had swimsuits awarded to boys who created wood carvings from dead trees. All right, but we know Jason had something like that in his childhood. Ah, my favorite woolen swimsuit. That's not so different than some time ago. Full body, one piece, long sleeve. Uncle Scrooge diving in the money bin.

That outfit. So he's got all this stew in his head. He also got a little taste of what he's after during the premiere of Snow White. And we talked about this a long time ago when we talked about Carthay Circle the Restaurant, which was inspired by the Carthay Circle Theater where Snow White, and we talked about this a long time ago when we talked about Carthay Circle the Restaurant, which was inspired by the Carthay Circle Theater, where Snow White debuted.

This is the first time that he did an activation. It was not that gross word then. Yeah, yeah. It was just, you know, there was a cooler. They used the name Snow White Island. It was an island because it was in the median of a street. And they took it over and they built a bunch of, they built a little wishing well and a mine and a forest and they took it over and they built a bunch of, they built a little wishing well and

a mine and a forest and cottages and you could go meet the seven dwarfs there and and because that was such a successful just thing to be in and promotion for the movie he vocalized to an animator that he would one like one day like to build an amusement park with the same small proportions for children to enjoy and then then years later, he said something similar to a director, Ben Sharpe-stein, about wanting to create an amusement venue for visitors to his animation studio where they could meet Disney characters

in their fantasy surroundings. And that seems like a big one to unlock because that's something he's got that the mean cigar chomp and Coney Island people don't got. They got fires. He got beloved characters. So I find it interesting that there's like, it's never just one Eureka moment,

as much as they push the story about being on the bench with his daughters, which I will continue to push, I think there's an episode in the bench that I would like to separate this tale and do an episode. I wanna separate one of the pre-Disneyland thing, the Mickey Mouse Park, which was ostensibly going to be built in Burbank. The city council turned him down,

this was gonna be across the studios, and it's probably for the best, cause we really need that land in Burbank for more freeway lanes and dry grass to cause brushfires So we really need that undeveloped land. I'm confused by your perspective here. I feel like the freeway lanes are a good thing Aren't they? I mean, I don't hate the freeways anymore. I like the freeway, but no they just keep adding Adding more and more lanes on a lot of freeways,

and they're like, this will fix congestion. Oh, I see what you're saying. And then it never does. Oh, okay. Yeah, that is what happened. Some of that land did become the 134 freeway. Some of it became the animation studio, and the ABC headquarters.

And then there's a bunch of it that's undeveloped still that's just kind of like a field you can walk around in. I can't tell if Disney owns that or not, but it is weird that they're still like, wow, there's a world where this was Disneyland or Mickey Mouse Park, and instead it is still nothing to this day. But I think as they start analyzing that,

and a piece of artwork was drawn for that that had a lot of important Disneyland stuff. There's a river and there's a sternwheeler and there's a train going around it of course and his proposition was that the train would connect to, that there be some way to connect a train to the Griffith Park carousel, which is pretty far away and circuitous

and like up into the hills. Like it's close but it's not that close. And it would border the Griffith Park golf course though he said, don't worry, I will build a fence so kids don't get nailed by golf balls. There's always golf balls next to that golf course even with the fences. Even though it would be convenient

if Disneyland was right there, there's always a part of me that's like, mm, I'd like to just see it. I'd like to see what it looks like. I always have like a, there's even, I used to live more in Hollywood, like Franklin, Vermont if you know where that is area. And it's a kind of a cool street.

There's like a little movie theater there and there's like small business or whatever. And Rick Caruso a couple years ago floated the idea of putting in Americana, which is a big mall that we do kind of, we do like, I shouldn't say kind of. They're just gonna replace the post office and a bunch of apartment buildings and small businesses with a big mall.

I never heard that really. Yeah, I don't know how far it got, but this was a proposal to change, that would have changed the complexion of that area a lot. I did not think it was a good idea, but there was always part of me going, I would like to see what that looked like. Like I always, even though I know things aren't a good idea,

sometimes I go, but it would have been interesting. Sure, yes. I would have voted no, don't get me wrong. But that concept art, if they were gonna do a 3D rendering, look, nothing gets torn down to build a 3d rendering look nothing. I'll take a look at the art. Nothing gets torn down to build a 3d rendering, right? There's a strip of Naming more LA specific streets Magnolia Boulevard in Burbank. No Paul Thomas Anderson small, huh? Paul Thomas Anderson reference

another Sorry, sorry. You're right, it was not necessary coming. You're right, you're right, it wasn't necessary, I agree. Oh, Magnolia, now I understand. I didn't see where you were going. I was trying to picture scenes from the movie. I shouldn't have, it's late in the episode, I'm sorry. There's a bunch of small businesses in vintage shops

and old restaurants, like along that strip, and I think there was talk about upscale apartment buildings or a shopping center or something like eight years ago or so, and everyone hated it and it never happened. That area is flourishing in terms of different block party events and flea markets and stuff. I'm not as on board with that unless it was gonna be

something even gaudier with a trolley or something. It would have to be a different specific kind of mall for me to be least intrigued about it. And there is already a Taco Bell in that area. So you're covered in one of your primary needs and interests. By the way, when Electric Park burnt down today, that site is a Taco Bell and a Subway. So, yeah. Oh, okay. You know what I love? I love the tuna. Oh yeah. Subway.

You love the famously embattled and disliked tuna. Right, because that's technically tuna. It's better. Can I ask, in the bench, and we're gonna do an episode on Walt's Bench, but should that be where we talk about like the Beverly Park and the Ponyland stuff? Sure, maybe.

Yeah, okay. Cause that's another like, that's another part of the story of like, I don't like this specific park that I'm taking my daughters to. Yes, yeah, yeah. Well, were there ponies there though? Yeah, I believe so. Are you talking about though, is that,

Beverly Park is something different though, isn't it? Maybe. Well that was in Beverly Park. That was in like around like Beverly Center. Yes, Beverly Park for sure is Beverly Center, but maybe I'm wrong and Ponyland is something else. I think that fits in that though, the kind of shit he's trying to,

the kind of nightmares he's trying to keep his kids away from when a bunch of stuff's gonna have to fit into different episodes, cause we've barely scratched the surface in a zillion things. Hold on, hold on, next door. I think it was like right there, Ponyland at 8536 Beverly Boulevard. So I think it was like very there Pony land at eight five three six Beverly Boulevard

Mm-hmm, so I think it was like very nearby. Okay, that's what I'm saying. That's not near the Griffith Park Carousel No, it's not. I'm just saying it's part of the Beverly. Okay. I'm just saying it's all part of this I was not previously aware of Pony land. So yes, okay So that's in that a different you'll have to get into Pony land Okay, I don't even know where to cut it off at this point I know I have like I have so many notes about things we haven't even, because we look, we- I haven't said a thing I've written down in a while. It's okay.

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Great. Okay, well, so eventually, Walt goes to a party, meets some guys, and he's like, I wanna find land to build this idea on. Yes, well, he was told that, like, I think he was committed to using some of his studio space, but then some real architects started looking at it and they went, this is like, you realize like half of this

is gonna have to be parking for anybody to be able to come here, and that just made him kinda wanna throw the thing out. And also that he pitched it to the Burbank City Council who said, no, that's a bunch of carny shit. Absolutely not. Get the hell out of here. So he gets together, he gets appointed in the direction of Harrison Buzz Price at the Stanford Research Institute.

And he's a guy who tracks his stuff down. He figures his stuff out. And he, at one point, he had found a bunch of locations in Southern California, it's from the Orange County Register, he considered a pistol range in Chatsworth, a coastal spot in Palos Verdes, a huge 440 acre plot in La Cañada. Then it became Descanso Gardens, very nice place. Yeah, beautiful place.

A parcel near Walt's brother Roy's home in Calabasas. But each of these sites had problems. Disney didn't want his park near the beach because he thought the beach attracted a seedy clientele. So Walt had some real like, not that, not that, not that. Like he was. Merman, filthy Merman. Merman. Those aqua men and their rusty tridents.

Even if they don't start getting drunk and throwing them at people, they set one down in the wrong spot. A four year old grabs it and needs tetanus shot. The beach attracts a certain flavor of inherent vice. Paul Thomas Sanders adapted from the Thomas Pynchon. That's right, I know, I am familiar, yeah. You're joking about, well, I'm sure he had the general

like racist problems of an old man of his time, but also I bet you would run into like, well I don't like the man wearing a floppy hat like to the left side, like stuff that wouldn't make any sense, like completely not make any sense. You'd be like, well why do you think that?

Well I just don't trust that type of customer. It's like little shit kickers chewing bazooka, Drew. Right, like that. He's smacking his gum too loudly. As far as he can see. They won't smack gum too loudly in my park. Like, just bizarre. Sea folk.

Right. They're unseemly. That behavior might fly at sea. Right. Where things are less covered. Even like back then, people were like, what are you talking about? What is that about?

More my word. Women in short pants in their bathing suits. We won't be having any of these foreign degenerate foods like pizza or whatever the Irish eat in my park. So yeah, well. So yeah, so he's avoiding the sea. Yeah, we don't want any, you know, yeah, dragging the seaweed between their toes, stinking up my park. Yeah, so he ends up with really specific demands

of the kind of plot of land they need, and then it requires these guys, but Buzz Price and C.V. Wood is part of that too, to think 10 years ahead and to think like where is suburban sprawl going to take, like we can't think about where it will be populated now, we gotta think about where it will be in the future. And that journey starts to, now they start thinking

about Riverside County and Pomona, and then of course Orange County. And they start referring to this area as the amoeba. I forget why it's the Amoeba. Yes, I saw the Amoeba as well. Just because it's like an odd amorphous shape and we think like this might be the center of, somewhere in the Amoeba is what we're after

and sure enough it does lead them to Anaheim and to the spot. Anaheim at the time, four square miles, 15,000 citizens served by a 42-man police force whose members had to supply their own cards. Ha! Ha!

You wanna just throw a siren on top of that baby? I think that'll take care of it. The budgets have gone a lot higher since then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll say that. I also like this fact, the city's two jail cells were at the time sufficient to handle any troublemakers. The worst, one visitor said, oh sorry,

the jail cells were considered the worst outside of Tijuana. It's like Mayberry or something. It's like one jail cell. And that's funny because what he's trying to do, one of his plans for Mickey Mouse Park was like, you know, it'd be like a little town, right? With like a police station and a fire station, maybe even some little jail cells for kids to walk into.

Well, you mean, let's say you're building Anaheim in Anaheim. Right. You know, build a little tiny Anaheim. That's funny. That is what they have. Right, right. And importantly, the newly constructed five freeway

cutting right through Anaheim. Yes, yeah, yeah, leading people to it. They found a perfect spot, and then here's a tale that I hadn't heard before. Like, 139 acres is what they found, it was 17 owners, and some of them had weird little demands, like, yes, I'll sell you the land,

but can my kids live there until you're done? That was one demand. I guess so, that's fine. There was like one family that this tree is very special to us. Can you just please leave the tree? And he agreed to leave the tree, but then it was like, ah, shit,

that'd be like right in the middle of Tomorrowland. Let's move it, can we get it over to Adventureland? Does that count, is that fine? And it's still there to this day. Is it a date tree or a fig tree or something like that? I don't know offhand, but it is still an adventure land near the entrance to Indiana Jones, so they did keep their promise.

But they might not have if they didn't need a bunch of jungle stuff anyway. But it works out, let's buy the land, we'll do it, alright. So it's basically a handshake deal, and the city of Anaheim is now involved at this point. They're like, they figured out kind of what he wants to do, and like, we'll help ya, we'll clear it, great. They go, Walt celebrates this new arrangement

and seemingly landing on the land that he wanted at Knott's Berry Farm. They went to the best restaurant in all of Orange County, the Chicken Dinner Restaurant, and he is so high on all of this stuff because his dream is going to come true. He's gotten everything that he wanted. He is talking so loudly about,

and there's room for everything that I wanna do. A person eating in the restaurant at a booth right next to them is listening to all of it, and he goes, oh my God, I know who that is. Of course I know who that is. He is blabbing about like a great deal he's getting on a bunch of land. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, check please.

He leaves and by the morning he bought 20 acres that Disney was gonna buy. Smart. That is a part of the mythology I had never heard. So he goes to, so Disney is livid, he starts yelling like I'm gonna go to, like I'll go to Garden Grove motherfuckers, I'll get out of here. It'll be like it never happened. They end up working with him and they like, wait a minute, the guy actually only bought 20 acres, that's not that much. What if we just shifted it all

down and there's a road here that we weren't looking at this site before because of the road, could you close the road? I think we could I think we could figure that out I think we could close the road so it all just shifted south a little bit that was the plot and that's where Disneyland is today. That's so funny. Yeah yeah not not pirate be damned. Do we know who like do we know does that family owned do they sell to like the hotels there? there way actually good question That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, and who was that guy who by the way?

I mean like I know we're supposed to be admiring Walt here It is the 70th anniversary and we're celebrating his dream, but I'm also pretty impressed by the guy who stole his idea Yeah impressed by this chicken dinner spy. Yeah. Yeah. He's an interesting character for sure. I'd like to know more about him. He wasn't too bloated on mashed potatoes and gravy to go hit the ground, run and call a bunch of a bunch of farm owners and to get them out of their houses by midnight. I, I would like, uh, I think the fans are demanding, um, the plot that Disney ended up being built on was at the time, I think, referred to as the ball roll, ball road subdivision.

So Disney, where are the t-shirts? Ball road subdivision. Oh, right. You want to sell those niche products to D23 members, get on it. I think you could do a T public maybe and clean up. I could probably just do it on our T-Public. Just pick the design, basic font, Times New Roman, all over it with subdivision.

And then you gotta really push it. You gotta push it on all your social media, because I don't know that even the average Disney nerd necessarily knows that branding. But us influencers, taste makers, emotional taste makers. So I think it's possible. knows that branding. But us influencers, but we influence a lot of things. Emotional taste makers. So I think it's possible.

Well, you know, like, yeah, I think we all are like, gonna have to close the laptops on a bunch of stuff we found, this is interesting, it filled up, and a lot of it felt like it was on topic, but I guess there was also a lot of, you know, like weird tuna stuff, it wasn't Sammy Hagar's fault this time, that much. No, I guess there was also a lot of, you know, weird tuna stuff. It wasn't Sammy Hagar's fault this time, that much of a stuff.

No, I thought maybe you were gonna do that, and then I was prepared. We're pretty tidy. But we also, you know, you have to real time react to the robot a little bit. I regret nothing is what I'm saying. I'm not upset, and I think a lot of my dirty questions were actually on topic, so I think those were all

apropos. That's right, that ended up taking a big bunch of the real estate. Well, it's all carving out, like that ended up being like 20 acres that were carved out of the 180 acre plot that we had planned for the episode. Was that not a valuable use of the acreage? Discussing where Walt Disney would go to take a shit. I think it was absolutely valuable.

And that led into actual bathroom related anecdotes that we did discover, Wal-Fance. This is another perfect podcast as far as I'm concerned. It was, I think, very, very clean and worthy of the branding Disneyland. I think every bit of it makes sense as being part of the Disneyland episode. But if I could say one more little thing

that maybe really thematically ties it it all up to what I said earlier of Walt Disney reminding me of you guys. Here's just a brief anecdote that I found because kind of where we are in the story, he's got the land, now all he has to do is raise an unbelievable amount of money, not just to buy the land, but like, I think, remember when I said like all the

Coney Island kind of people said everything you're doing is wrong? One of the things they said was anybody who spends more than 25 grand on a ride is an absolute rube. Every ride at early Disneyland costs $100,000 at least. And then you put that in today's figures and we're getting closer to what they spend on rides today. So there was, you know, obviously damaging money and then but money was no object for him. But the, now what had to be done was financing it and I think we know the step of financing where, well if I promise a bunch of content to a TV

distributor to one of the TV networks, ultimately culminating in showing the promise a bunch of content to a TV distributor to one of the TV networks, ultimately culminating in showing the opening day special on the network. You know, maybe that can be a financial arrangement that works. He pitches it to CBS, NBC. They say no because they were doing well at that time.

I didn't realize ABC, bit of a shitty laughing stock in 1954. They had something to gain. Apparently, the ABC guy and Roy kinda just stared at each other at the end of the, neither of them really wanted to do it. It was a, I don't like you and you don't like me situation, but we're all each other's god, huh?

So the most tepid limp handshake, they agreed to do it. And the Disneyland, the show will help finance Disneyland. The plus. Well, good news. ABC is gonna help build your park, but they're gonna own a bunch of it and you have to do weekly SponCon on it for your park. It's mostly, your network aware mostly adds

for a little while. But here's, but okay, so on the way to that, we're gonna pitch this thing to TV networks, but if we explain out loud what any of this is supposed to be, we're gonna sound like lunatics, and it's not gonna be exciting, it's not gonna inspire anybody. We need like a really compelling piece of concept art,

and that's where Herb Ryman comes in to do what is today a pretty famous piece of art and that they will certainly put up and feature that doesn't exactly look like our Disneyland, but it is like a discombobulated, weird, surreal dream version of everything that we know and the basic shape and the lands and everything, a really compelling piece of art.

But long story short, why I brought all that up, they didn't have a lot of time to make this piece of art. It was kind of just like, you know, burning the candle at both ends over a long weekend and it was just Walt throwing out ideas and Herb Ryman doing the drawing and this in the book Disneyland really jumped out at me. The two worked through the weekend in the blue haze of Disney's Chesterfields, fueled by milkshakes and tuna fish sandwiches. Yeah! Wow.

There you have it. Wow. The initial vision of literally fueled. It was the tuna fish, your most beloved of all foods on Earth, was the fuel that created your most favorite place on the earth. Wow, beautiful. Tuna and milk is Jason's favorite favorite combination. If it was just one then like I don't know maybe but the fact that like I could so completely picture you guys coming in maybe I guess I'd say Mike

jazzed on it Jason Rumbly and the Tumbly about the combo of tuna fish sandwiches and milkshakes. Wow. Milkshakes multiple, Walt Disney cranking tuna fish sandwiches and milkshakes. Only, only, how many are we talking? How many do you, well, you guys, the pros, how many could you put down? You've got a project due at the end of the weekend.

The time is of the essence, you can't leave, but this room has, there's a little kitchenette and it has all the tuna fish sandwiches you can eat and all the milkshakes you can drink. And don't forget the cigarettes. Cigarettes enough to create a literal haze. The room is thick with smoke now and all you have to fuel your creative work

is tuna and milkshakes. I don't know that I've ever had more than one milkshake in a day. I don't think I have. This is a Jason question. Jason, big Jason question. Well, okay, depends on what you mean. Because if you drink, if you get the big silver cup,

at like, I'm talking about an old fashioned, if you get the big silver cup at like, I'm talking about an old fashioned, they give you the big silver cup the milkshake was made in. You pour that in glass and you drink it with your meal, and then you pour the rest in a to-go cup. Is that two milkshakes in a day, or is that one milkshake spread out over time? It's one milkshake.

Okay, that's what I think too. I don't think I, I think I limit it to one milkshake. You can't think of an instance where you've had two in one day. No. Okay. Maybe two sodas. And even that in not a while.

I've had two sodas in a while recently. There hasn't been anything as, you know, you haven't been inspired or like with your feet to the flame as much as Walt Disney was right who knows what any of us could accomplish With multiple milkshakes and our shake we could get like two months worth of recording done if we each we all just chugged Milkshakes while we recorded for 14 hours straight. Okay next. Oh, yeah, what's the next topic? Yeah, what's the next topic? The confidence is really high. Okay, today the view liner. This was a- Oh!

Oh! If I just do inner space. Oh! A lot of grunting, but we would have gotten through it. See, I was going to say- The tuna fit, the delicious, perfect, the quality 1950s tuna, I think, would perfectly just cushion and absorb

and maybe cancel out. I bet it tasted better. I think so. The 50s tuna. Some milk, well, some restaurants in Burbank are so old, we may have gotten tuna fish sandwiches at the same places where Walt was sending out runners. So like someone come in on the weekend and he does to fetch milkshakes and

tuna sandwich for me and old herb. Wow. Wow. I mean, we've, and then. Tuna sourced from the same shelves. Is there any chance we've shit in the same toilet Walt has shit in? Is there any chance there's all those? None of the bowls can be has shit in? Is there any chance? There's all those, none of the bowls

can be original bowls in Disneyland. No. And I didn't go, when I got to go to the apartment, I didn't get to go to the bathroom in his toilet. The thing I've mentioned before, I used to have a friend who had an office down the hall from Walt's office, and any time I tried to sneak by head,

and I'm like, oh, this is, there are so many, this is like hermetically sealed. There is a giant door, there's a keypad, there's multiple locks, like, you cannot just breathe through there. Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah. You cannot see where Hazel George brought him to climax. No.

Can't go in there. Was this one grosser than the tuna one? I guess Griffin can answer. How nauseated did you get? Because the other stuff wasn't as offensive. We did, yeah, yeah. The jerking off stuff is not offensive. No, that's not nauseating.

Yeah. Yes. That's just cool and fun. Except to me, a person you cannot prove has had sex for any other reason than procreating. And even then. Let me call it back. Walt had so much tuna, Hazel's George jerked him off,

and tuna came out. Jesus Christ. That's what we said. We started there. We started there. You said the word, J-I-Z-Z. I did not bring them together. I did not.

Jizz was one thing. Tuna was one thing. The bringing them together might literally be the most disgusting thing ever said on the show Mike from produced an emotion in me and I'm upset It's not always emotions you like from the emotional taste make sorry that is fine That's even you made the tuna boy tuna lover boy number one Don't disgusted. He's vile, that's even, you made the tuna boy, tuna lover boy number one. You all disgusted. Please, he's aroused, please.

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