Podcast: The Ride - Doctor Doom's Fear Fall

Episode Date: August 5, 2022

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Forever Dog Warning, the following podcast contains a dictator magician, an embassy inside a theme park, leg danglies, and gallons of a precious natural resource, fear juice. We secrete some juice and break down Dr. Doom's fearful on today's podcast, The Ride. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, where today we're saying, All glory to Latveria, all hail doom. I'm Jason Sheridan, joined as always by Mike Carlson. I'm here, yes, and that's a thing you say every morning when you wake up, I assume. Show respect and out of fear and respect. Scott Gerner, also here.

That's right. I know what those things mean after the last several days i those are things from comics that i know now great well we'll get you even deeper in soon uh-huh uh we're talking about uh beloved attraction by me at least i was gonna say your by me uh solely dr dunes fearful at universal's islands of adventure i want to start by asking have either of you done this no no way nor will i ever i will absolutely not i've made a promise to you i believe on this podcast that i will do it when next time we go oh okay i believe on the show you did i said that but i know i have not done this because the legs are dangling you know me i don't like those dangling legs

so it's scary even though i love dr doom the man his ride and you love and but what's the issue in terms of thrills and chills here uh where is it too much thrill uh no but you like thrill no i like thrills it's the chill part because you're slowly going up and your legs are dangling no wrong wrong my isn't this a that's right this is a space shot where you are are race no you're right you're right feet uh to start and then you do go a little bit but that's what i'm saying you do a little chill it's not completely just a rock and roller coaster, or am I wrong? That's the problem. No, it's like you were talking like a couple feet, and then you get the, that's just gearing

it up. That's just the engines turning on. I guess for some reason I thought that it was, I felt like, I knew about the shot, but I thought there was a longer section where they would dangle you. But I guess if you're saying it's actually seconds, then I actually feel better about it. Oh, no, sorry. You're dangling for a while yeah i just mean you're you're lowered off the ground as the ride starts to kick into gear as the doom narration starts

yes and then you're launched up and you bounce down so you're dangling for a good while as you it's not the kind of right you're right i was right What kind of up and down this is I believe it is an up And then kind of an up and down Back and forth up and down It is not a slow up And then fast down And that's the end

Which might involve a between up and down Dangle Dangling is just It just happens between I had the incorrect I had the incorrect impression that you okay dangling is just a it just happens between like i had the incorrect that you're going up and i had the incorrect impression that you were dangling early before the up so what you're saying yes it's it's it's seconds of dangle up dangle dangle dangle dangle dangle that's the most significant dangle but a load that first dangle we got a downplay that's a low dangle yeah okay yeah so it's a low dangle low dangle up that's sort of like if you're if a your mom or dad when

you're a kid would do like uppies you know if they would pick you up i was i was wrong i guess i totally was then go but then messing up the order it's 200 feet in the air after that. That's very intense. You feel a lot of downward. That's a thrill. The downward pressure you feel. Okay, so you go danglies, but not severe danglies. Little danglies. Little danglies. Little danglies.

Little low danglies. Little low danglies. Then you go up seas. Is that right? You go way up seas. Yeah, you go. You don't put the seas on it. That's fine. Yeah. Okay. Then you go up C's. Is that right? You go way up C's. Yeah, you go. You don't put the C's on it. That's fine.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, way up C's. But you don't go to the very top. You don't go to the spiky top. Right. Not up C's to the spikies. Yeah.

Right. I knew that. So you go up C's and then you danglies for, what would you say? Well, this is about a 90 second experience. So you don't do it for very long. But there's no point. What I'm saying is there's no point midair where you are purely stuck. You go upseas, then back downseas, upseas, downseas, upseas, ping pong back and forth until you land.

There's no still dangling. Even though I was watching the video, I guess in my mind, you know, in the same way that like Splash Mountain, you know, in your child brain, even though I didn't do this when I was a child, you Splash Mountain, your child brain on that Jim Varney special, you were building it up. I guess in my head when I was thinking about it, I was still thinking about it as if those terror moments were like bigger than they were. Because I think what you're saying makes, like, I think here's what's going to happen. The chill on the ride, which is the danglies for me. The chill is the scare part. The part that I don't like. Really quick.

Chills and thrills was a discussion from the second gate. Would you like to bring the main feed audience in on the thrills and chills? Yeah, you're right. I completely forgot about that. This is a big breakthrough recently made on the second gate of patreon.com. Right. So if you want to hear the origin, go there. So basically, we were figuring

out that thrills and chills thrills mean excitement adrenaline and chills to me means scare fear anticipation anxiety and the chills are the part that i've been trying to get over by going to haunts you know for the last couple years i love haunts but i'm still you know trying to to get over the the fear of chills thrills you're you're on thrills i'm almost always on board for sometimes it may be a six flags it's a little too much thrill but by and large thrills i'm very comfortable with this factors into the oft repeated your situation with launching with launch coasters that you prefer that love it's all It's all thrill, no chill. The chill is the anticipation

of the slow climb up the hill, the chill on the hill. That's right. Before the thrill. This attraction is, you're pretty much straight to thrills. This is the launch of Drop Towers. Yes.

So I guess really is that since you're saying the chill isn't so severe it seems like it's a very mild chill that because the thrill happens it will put my mind in a different place so even though a chill comes after the initial thrill yeah i am now surging with adrenaline and it will make it easier to deal with any leg danglies chill that I'm experiencing. I think so. So I guess really I shouldn't be so afraid of this. Because the chills are never still.

Because the chills are never still. You're on the go. You're hopping up and down. There's no still chills. Dr. Doom has no still chills. Dr. Doom. I think Dr. Seuss has been inspiring us for the first 10 minutes of this episode can you did everyone track all of that language i hope they did but

yes no you're right yeah i guess i shouldn't be so afraid of this ride yeah so i was gonna do it anyway but this is a ride that is about extracting fear. That's true. That actually, you should be afraid. That's the point of the ride. It's a good point. To serve Doom. Yeah, but I like Doom and I want to serve Doom. Yeah, I want to help. Jason and I love Dr. Doom.

That fiend, that rascal Reed Richards. Yeah, since we were little. That intellectual lightweight. Dr. Doom. Yeah, Reed Richards. Sick freak. Yeah. Doom. Yeah, Reed Richards. Sick freak. Yeah. Doom.

Doom is our ruler. So, I, this was, I mean, this has come up a few times recently that, like, I am a huge Islands of Adventure stan. A few times recently? Yeah, but especially recently. For five years? Yeah. So...

Like Popeye getting his spinach. Yeah. It's come up recently that I likes me spinach. Now, there's some truth to this rumor. Gogg, gogg, gogg, gogg. Gogg, gogg, gogg. So, don't worry. We'll get back to your guys' unlistenable music soon enough.

Unlistenable? Unlistenable. What are you talking about? Unbelievable. The music's unlistenable music uh soon enough unlistenable what are you talking about unbelievable the music is unlistenable it's not that we talk about it's that the music itself is unlistenable yeah but you can't hear it yeah is that what you're saying yeah it's you can't find you just can't find jaded anywhere no i like jaded um so go ahead go ahead uh this was like the very first thing the first time i went like opening summer to islands of adventure this was the first thing i did because i think i was 13 years old and i looked at the hulk and i went no and spider-man uh had a 90 minute wait um which it also had in this a year of our lord 2022 when i look today uh it had a 90-minute wait, which it also had in this year of our Lord, 2022, when I look today,

it had a 90-minute wait. Makes sense. Hulk and Doctor Doom closed because there was a multi-hour thunderstorm going on. Oh, all right. So, Doctor Doom was the first thing I rode, and, you know, we waited in line. The Express wasn't up and running in 1999. It took a few years for that. But it was very exciting, the buildup,

because this has a pretty elaborate cue for a 90-second bouncy, dangly space shot attraction. This is the thing that I didn't know, because I've never gone on it, and I won't go on it. Fair enough. So I did not realize that there was this. This might be the only ride of this type. It might be the only drop tower, not counting the Tower of Terror,

of course, to have a story and a little placemaking kind of. Yeah. To attempt a plot of one of these. Yeah. get you into the to attempt a plot of one of these yeah and a fairly elaborate story for like what is the cheapest of the three opening day marvel attractions i i think storm force accelerator down the line much cheaper even than this now you say that i don't have i have zero familiarity with storm force accelerator what is. What is Stormforce Accelerator? Well, it's sort of like a covered teacups and Storm and Magneto fight with dialogue.

Okay. It is solely a sound effect and dialogue-based fight sequence. It's a carnival ride with dialogue, basically. Uh-huh. Like a dressed-up carnival ride with dialogue basically uh-huh like a dressed up carnival right barely dressed what is your what when you're in a teacup in that what is that supposed to represent um is it that you're part of the weather i don't know it's kind of tossed about in this battle of the elements are you yeah are you either like magnetism itself or like a cumulus cloud?

I was kind of futurey. I mean, it's kind of the yellow metal sort of like the Professor X's. So I guess maybe you're in like an X-Men vehicle, I guess, and you're in the middle of the weather. I guess that's probably what it is. You're probably in like a generic X-Men flying contraption and then you're caught between the two powers that's probably what it is yeah that would make more sense than being a little cloud yeah well this sounds like a complex story to me yeah there's a lot going on but not a not a

queue with videos and this little journey that you're no. No, but yeah, very built up, kind of an imposing exterior. Very imposing to me. Imposing, like big, turning like turbines or fans or whatever. A lot of paints, like speckled paint. I don't know how to describe the alleyway, but like it's all blacks and silvers and greens and purple,

like Dr. Doom colors. Like, Doctor Doom colors. Fun comic book art colors. Pop art-y. Yeah, pop art's a good way to do it. Yeah. To describe it. So, this was, like, very exciting. And then, immediately very exciting to be shot up and be very high.

Which, a thing I've always been fond of. The Heitmeiser. Yeah. It must come from this more than anything and then when was the first time you were up high i don't know ferris wheel or something probably okay but like legs dangling legs dangling high was it this uh i don't know well no terror terror would have been open before legs dangling high though legs dangling high different more precarious more precarious to the world and the elements that's right space

shots are pretty common like these sorts of things are pretty common at like jersey shore boardwalks so i'm sure i had done something like this before but not so high probably no okay this was the transformative height yes misery experience well your origin story look i was already you know just walking halfway through the land i was already like a pig and shit and then we got off this ride it exits into an arcade high marks for that and then halfway down the like one block away what is there there is a giant comic book store. And I'm like, now this is a theme park. Yeah, it's called, it's an artist Adam Kubert's art everywhere. Yes.

It's insane. If you were a kid and you read comics and you went to this place, holy shit. Okay, yeah. Like, it's not just the animated, like, look, a lot of kids watched the animated cartoon. That's not special or cool. If you're listening and that's all you did, fucking stop. Get your earbuds out. Put them down the garbage disposal.

Nowhere near as maladjusted as I am, thank you very much. Yeah, let's gatekeep this fandom, okay? That's what I'm doing. But if, yeah, you walked in there and you had just like freshly read the finale of the Onslaught saga that Adam Kubert drew and you saw his art all over the place, you'd go, oh my God, this is the greatest place ever. Three stories high. Unbelievable.

And you can still see it untouched maybe the bankruptcy is in all bad news the bankruptcy is good because you're also reading the comics traits to see like what i don't know what bankruptcy means will these just go away at some point i hope this just stop i hope stan lee sells Marvel to Michael Jackson. Yeah, maybe that'll pan out. Trustworthy place to put anything valuable to you. A meeting, I think he has. His business affairs are very well in order. That's right.

So, yes, I hear you. It was an exciting time. And, yeah, if I'm giving it lots of credit, very big and comicky and pop-arty. I'm sure if people are being critical of it. A lot of elements that just look like they were ripped from the mall. Auntie Anne's, Sunglass High. What was the first thing you said?

Auntie Anne's. Oh, Auntie Anne's. Okay, wow. You know, in my head, I was like, try to say this normal. And I could not have been further off. What was the issue? The aunt part?

What was going to, what was like? I feel like I always say Ante-Ans, and I feel like everyone else always says something else. Ante-Ans. Yeah. Ante-Ans. Depends. I'm an aunt guy. I'm not an aunt guy.

This is America. Yeah, I say Ante-Ans. Yeah, I say ant. Anty-ants. Yeah. I say ant, and that's it. That was, wait, there's an Anty-ants in this area? It kind of halfway through. Oh, okay. Some dip and dots at some point in time, I think.

Uh-huh. But that's the universal. They've gotten more into here's custom food experiences, but Islands of Adventure remains there in that space a little bit of like, what do you, boy, what do you eat in this place if you don't see if you aren't if you don't go to one of the like two nice places yeah mythos or confisco or the or uh the harry potter yeah thing three broomsticks yeah the fantastic four cafes there right yeah i mean that's a solid that's like the same that's like a cafeteria park pizza that they have at the uh yeah universal florida um the new york section has like a real italian

pizzeria new york style yeah and it's the same as the real fantastic four pizza new york style new yorkers like it personal pan with the questionable pepperonis. Is that what that is? Wow. It could be. It's like the human torch himself walked out of the Baxter building, walked across to the dollar pizza slice place, and is now reselling it for seven times markup.

That's smart. Yeah. He's a smart guy. I didn't get to say this. I didn't pull this up in the Transformers episode, but there was a still that I had that really encapsulates the Universal experience to me. It's Universal Hollywood.

It's the opening of Transformers in Universal Hollywood. And the general, it might have been the actor, General Morshauer himself, is kind of telling you the stakes, and he's at the podium, and there's soldiers flanking him, and like, oh my god, this is very serious. And there's a transmission from Megatron, and oh my. And it all happens in front of just a big circular Panda Express logo.

We must fortify the Panda Express, gentlemen. The rarely opened Lower Lot Panda Express. The mysterious Panda Express. If this ever, if we are ever to open it, and it's a big if, and there's something where to, this is what the Decepticons are actually after. Well, if you recall, the Jurassic Park restaurant used to, before they gussied up the food a little used to be half pizza hut and half pre-made panda express bowls oh my god combined like you dump the bowl on top of a

i have personal pan it was like you went one side for one thing or one side or one heat lamp for one and one heat lamp for the other and i think at at one point in time, the Panda Express next door was open, and you could also get Panda Express at the Jurassic Park. Is that right? Wow. You get two different Panda Expresses? I think the first time I went in 2006 in college, we ate at the Panda Express. And then I think later we're walking through Jurassic Park Cafe,

and it's like, there's also pan express in here and city walk so there were three possible ways to get and on uh quake boulevard at oh yeah not far from universal yeah and express on on ventura yeah yeah probably you know supermarket not too far oh yeah sure oh yeah there used to be one in a burbank supermarket that's right the area was littered and it was but it was important to fortify all because if one goes down maybe they all go down yeah that's what more shower was concerned about yeah he's right to be worried yeah luckily not much has changed and the they've there's a fortified wall of uh mediocre to bad food at islands of adventure yeah it does not look like it'll tumble anytime soon that's never gonna change i feel like i don't feel like that's

even on the radar they're not gonna we can hear rumors all day long about lord of the rings or whatever but that they're making sure that the restaurant in the lord of the rings land sucks they want to make sure that that doesn't change, I think. We can't blow them all out. Look, just financially, some of this has to be shit. Gotta be. The last time, I don't think we really ate there besides when we went to Mythos when we were down. But the time before that, like a year or two before, it seemed like their big culinary innovations

were giving combo meals that had milkshakes instead of sodas. And you're tearing up a little. I'm getting emotional. And they seemed like they went all in on Brookies, the combination brownie and cookie. Those are kind of everywhere. Have they backed off that? I don't know.

This is, you do describe these things like, 1969, it was the summer of love. Why drugs were running rampant. And that was just how we did it back then. It was the summer of 09. They were making something called brookies. Cookies were getting freaky with brownies. And boy, you were lapping up every last crumb.

I also had the worst sandwich of my life. I think you have talked about this. Okay, I have talked about the bad Dagwood sandwich. Yes, you have talked about the bad Dagwood. Okay, yeah. Even at like 12 or 13, I was like, oh, God. Like, what is this? Just for the next, you were just like.

It just opened, how? You went back to the room and you were like pulled out your stack of dagwood comics blondie comics and you were like why have you forsaken me why did you do this to me for all the years i've given you the best relationships i have terrified to know what the kathy ice cream is like this is how he's been betrayed by the dagwood sand she don't care she'll take. If it says ice cream on it. She had a rough week. Okay.

She'll eat whatever ice cream. She doesn't care. But yeah. So where were we? I don't know. So Islands, Dr. Doom. Yeah. So I love this ride.

When I first went on it and now as an adult, I i went on it a couple times i think when we were down in 2019 you fit it in multiple times yeah because i went back the day before i flew i was staying at combatant bay so i went back for like the morning um and and i rode it thin and i rode it like as the park was closing it's a great ride to do at night. Like you see the whole park lit up at night. Sure. And well, if you're on the one side, because the thing about this ride is

you don't have the chance to see one view. You have the chance to see four views, two of which are a lot of access roads. But on the one side, you can see the full Islands of Adventure, like Lagoon and everything. On the other side side you can see the full islands of adventure like lagoon and everything on the other side you can see all of orlando you can see i4 and uh that's a thing we've talked about a little bit before some of the some i don't know if there's a good part of disney that has this when you're in one of the theme parks i don't believe that it exists but universal has a

couple places where you can very easily see just outside into the real world like in volcano bay if you're in the right water slide just turn around and there's just a bunch of houses and a street like right across the way yeah uh well like they're in in hollywood the harry potter land just backs right up to an office building yes it would take like 10 trees to cover it and they didn't yes it's i would say it's arguably more magical like driving down by the warner brothers lot and seeing the harry potter castle because it doesn't quite break the illusion you just go there's hogwarts versus seeing hogwarts and then the universal building behind it to don't go in the park.

If you want the Hogwarts magic, just stay on the other side of town. Look at it from afar. Go to Dog House right across from the Universal, or excuse me, the Warner Brothers lot. Go to the hot dog restaurant near the Warner Brothers lot. Yeah, and look at the castle in the distance. And then sometimes you can see the Waterworld smoke, which I think is really fun. Sometimes you'll be driving down Olive and you'll see like smoke. Yeah, you'll see smoke in the air and you go, oh my God, is something wrong?

And you go, no, no, the Mariners just won again. It gets me all the time. And I was just outside of the park recently and I heard all this hubbub, like a big fight. And I was like, oh my God my god because look fights are in the air notsberry farm that's true teens have run too rampant there's a curfew in order now in effect now so i thought oh is all hell about to break loose and i realized i have been tricked this is the mariner yeah and the uh the deacon and uh it's helen helen test yeah yeah okay so i can name all of the characters yeah yeah they've kept it in the public consciousness enough for me to barely with lots of hems and haws

release the three names that's right and you can still see those if you are under the age of 18 you can see those and any time of day that it's running you do not need a chaperone over 21 to escort you to the water no chaperone system um yeah knott's berry farm has their chaperones now and i don't know is this is this america wait we you start giving up you give up one freedom and suddenly 100 are gone you know yeah i was liberal up until i heard that and now i'm upset and the freedom to go into knots when you're under 18 getting a big rowdy fight with some teenagers here's an idea though because could we offer ourselves a chaperones just because we care about not so much that we want to make sure everything goes well so if there's a teen that's looking for a chaperone we're willing

to chaperone you this is somewhere on the commitment scale between buying an underage person uh a six pack of beer right and um marrying somebody for citizenship it's somewhere in between like the just to help you out it's only for the day yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't know you do end up with like boy because if you don't click with your teen i think you would need some kind of like dating service well well i don't know you're matched with your ideal team i was gonna say a less weird thing i was gonna like bigger brother program or something that's better dating service dating service really is the wrong wrong way to think of it needs is a teen dating service.

I've been saying it for years. That's the wrong, I think. I think, yeah, I think my way is the right way to say it. Big brother, big sister program. And then you match. Yeah, because you want to make sure everything goes smoothly with your teen. Yeah, you keep them from getting too rowdy. You tell them about Walter and Cordelia Knott and the wonders of free enterprise. That's right.

I mean, basically, what you're signing up for if you're a teen and you're going to be chaperoned by us is you're going to hear about free enterprise, a freedom center,

and then you're going to make them go on all the easy rides, not the fast, scary ones. With sad robots. Yeah. The saddest robots. Maybe there's check boxes

of music interests. Okay, well, I'll put Everclear. Let's see. Everclear, Sugar interests. Okay, well, I'll put Everclear. Let's see. Everclear, Sugar Ray. Actually, this should line up with the... Boy, the teens will all be fighting for my attention. What's your guys' favorite Bare Naked Ladies album?

Yeah, I don't listen to them after Steven left either. So just in case. Yeah, cool. Yeah, dope, man. Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. I know some of the newer stuff, like the Big Bang theme, I know you kids are into, but I sort of hang with the earlier stuff. What's your favorite one to twerk to?

King of Bedside Manor from Gordon? Because that's a pretty rowdy one, if you ask me. A lot of sound effects on that track. Well, and then they start beating the shit out of you because i think the big bang theory is they might be giants not bare naked ladies oh yeah oh yeah they think oh man they're gonna if fucking if a teen knows if a teen knows who they might be giants are they're hiding the fact that they're like you beat the shit out of them yeah there's they're a 50 year old in disguise yeah well you pull the wig off raise you pull the wig off they're an older man no man older than me sadder than me hey what are you doing

here i just wanted someone to talk to well this is a great service we can offer chaperone and exposing false teens that's right we're just trying to go to knots to fight right i just wanted to feel something you didn't get your wish music unlistable music that's fine that's all right i was just a reference to bnl's gordon huh how about that you snuck it in yeah i did but let's okay well still what have we what have we not gotten into here i mean we should we should describe the cue yes let's let's let's talk about the story what elevates the this is not just an up and down this is not just an up and down This is more than an up and down

You're in an invention You're sitting in an invention in this ride Doom is a genius Yes In case you don't know about Doom He is a genius inventor Smarter than Reed Richards At least equal to Reed Richards

They went to the same college College classmates It's still a college rivalry It's a college rivalry Imagine Austin Powers 3 Austin and Dr. Evil. Are they in college or they're younger than that? They're like at Hogwarts or something, right? They're at boarding school.

Boarding school. But similar dynamic. It's just in a different school. Okay. But they're both like super geniuses. Yeah. Is he already Doom though? Is he Victor Von Doom?

Well, there's multiple versions of the Doom origin, but the traditional one is that he's not Doom yet. His name is Victor Von Doom, legally. Right, but he's not like Doom with the whole thing. But he's not Doom Doom. That's insane. How is your name just Doom? Well, it seemed like it was maybe like a foregone conclusion

that this would be your fate. Were you supposed to pronounce it like Do-um? doem von doem i don't know i don't think stanley or they don't think they said in the comic 2000s they tried calling uh in the ultimate books they called him victor van damme yes that is correct and everyone knew like which is really fun and that pulls you out of it yes yeah we know we know who this is going to be. It's a Fantastic Four comic. Because people are like, oh, is it going to be Dr. Damn? Yeah.

Doesn't make any sense. Doesn't sound good. And then Doom loved Sue Storm, who would eventually marry Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastic. Yeah, a number of Marvel characters' motivation is that they're really in love with Sue Storm. That's Mr. Fantastic. Yeah, a number of Marvel characters' motivation is that they're really in love with Sue Storm. That's correct. That's what they had to ask for. Namor, soon to be seen in Black Panther, Wakanda Forever.

Part man, part Atlantean fish man. Okay. He loves Sue Storm. He loves Sue Storm. That's not going to work. She doesn't want to be in the ocean. No. She's not in the universe yet. She doesn't want to be in the ocean. No. She's not in the universe yet.

So Doom gets disfigured in an accident. He makes a contraption that goes wrong, scars him, his face, and he blames Richards for it. Yeah. This is a lot like the more beloved character that the water slide inventor from R from raging waters what's his name oh yeah yeah yeah yeah experiments gone awry right right dr von dark dr von dark yes i thought it was

i thought it was very close it is very close yeah so i'm just putting it together that maybe dr von dark was partially inspired by Dr. Von Doom. I think that might be right. Wow. For a second, I thought you were actually talking about the guy who made Action Park. Oh, yeah. There is a real world evil water slide experimenter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, there's a more colorful one. Who was also in love with another smart man's wife, I'm sure. Sounds right. That's right. Yeah. And also, I thought you were referring to the schlitterbond people who made the insane oh yeah that is yeah those are boy we talked about schlitterbond but we didn't really get into that weird which that's an episode maybe is the arms race between the evil

water slide makers yeah now one like birthed that like yeah the second one like conquered the first like you're dead old man whatever the like wild rivers now maybe i'm getting the names wrong um oh yeah what was the name early water slide inventor was this tough military guy but then that the crown got taken by the schlitter bond guy who went who like pushed it and pushed it and pushed it and then built that slide that horribly killed that guy, that kid, right? Yeah. There's a weird water slide arms race episode. That's a film, I think. Yeah, maybe that story.

Realizing that one was like, oh, they had a relationship. Like the two evil water slide makers knew each other and hated each other it's incredible it's like a stanley plot come to life yeah it really is jack lee or jack kirby actually um so other things about doom he's genius scientist he's also a powerful sorcerer he's a magician he's a magician as well um and an inventor yeah he's got it yeah he's an inventor he's got a powerful suit of armor the mask hides his kind of scarred face um and he's very vain he does not want to show his face um but the suit of armor is like comparable to like an iron man suit of armor uh except it also has a tiny little belt that has a gun on it even though he can shoot like out of his hands okay he's got like genuine genuine or excuse me like uh generic laser hands yes and then sorry

so he is then also on top of all this he owns a country yeah he's the ruler of a small eastern european country and that's that's latveria latveria yeah okay uh and how did he were they like they were he didn't found that that existed and he took it over uh sheer might and will yeah but it existed before it existed before yeah and and then yeah no he didn't like create it although that like there's probably some origins like version where he did create he's accomplished a lot with the help of doom bots uh which are often portrayed as identical to him okay and oftentimes when spider-man or the avengers think they're fighting dr doom it turns out they're fighting a very good doom bot it's like saddam hussein's decoys

yes or something it's the same thing so yeah you're not you're not sure necessarily um but then sometimes the doom bots do look like sort of like goon robot versions in the queue they look more like heavies yeah oh they're big yeah yes yeah they're not not intended to deceive yeah right um there is a 12 there's a great 12 issue series by past guest chris cantwell wrote dr doom for a year and uh that was really good um well uh uh hold on to that thought i will save uh because this this person may have been consulted oh about some aspects of this this attraction and this topic i'll save i'll save that for when we've explained what's going on writing iron man right now just announced

he's wrapping up his run in the fall. His final Iron Man, yes. All right, well, yeah, save that. Some thoughts to come. Sure, yeah. So what else about him? Oh, often portrayed as an anti-hero. Like that old Marge line of like,

he's right, but you're not supposed to say it. That's situations Doom finds himself in a lot. Sometimes. I mean, are you talking about the 9-11 Doom? No, not crying 9-11 Doom. Okay, do you know what we're talking about? Vaguely. Look up crying 9-11 Doom and then react honestly to what you see.

Everyone at home, I implore you, do the same thing. Yeah, all of the um there's a spider-man uh commemorative 9-11 issue and everyone cries at 9-11 including the kingpin and doom before i clicked on the the images tab it's a big reddit thread that asks the question why would dr doom cry for 9-11 i mean it's a. Yeah, he's probably killed a lot of people, you know. Yeah, but I suppose he's stepping out of it and we're enjoying him as not a full, real serious character in that moment.

So yeah, sometimes, I mean, these characters have been around for 80 years, what, 100 years at this point? And yeah, Dr. Doom has been good. Overwhelmingly, I think he's usually bad but he's usually bad or there are times where it seems like he's doing good and then either his ego or he's got a secret evil master plan yes or his own hubris gets him um in a recent storyline i think it was the secret wars books he um and and it's a sort of thing where they keep rewriting reality

or things are collapsing in on itself. He does rip Thanos' spine out of his body. Spine and skull. So, yeah, Chris educated me on this fact. Now I'm like, you know I don't pay attention to any of this, but I know that Thanos, everybody's scared of Thanos. He's been the biggest deal in all these movies for years and years. I'm like, why?

This guy, his spine got pulled out by this other villain? He seems a little worse to me. Mortal Kombat fatality on him. It's a pretty intense panel. Every now and then, Doom kind of becomes a god, like gets godlike powers, and he sort of vexes everything up, you know? Well, that's the other, yeah, Chris also informed me that he at some point did battle with the devil. He's fought the devil. He, he's, yeah, there was a story, there was a book where he, he's upset, he was very upset because his mother's soul, one of his contraptions that went wrong

was trying to talk to the dead because he wanted to talk to his late mother. And he found out his mother's soul was being tortured by Mephisto, the devil in hell. His mother was in hell, Scott. His mother was in hell. He goes with Dr. Seuss.

There is a hell. So this is a Christian world where hell is upset about 9 11 happened which was this like religious uh fervor event yes so there and then and heaven and hell also exist yeah so this is it's all a religious tale i guess in a way he hasn't met jesus as far as anyone did he fight jesus i don't think he did. Or he didn't team up with Jesus. Yeah, I don't think so. Okay, so Thanos has tried to court death itself once. Yes, Thanos has been a fuckboy.

For death. For death. The concept of death in a lady form. What Mike said and what Jason said don't square to me. Explain, sorry, fuckboy? Like, well, Thanos has kind of like been horny for death. And they didn't put this in the movies. Yeah, they took it.

How so? Like, he loves death. You know, when we were younger and there'd be like a girl, you'd be like, I'm going to hang around this girl long enough. She might give me a kiss. That's sort of what Thanos is with death. Yeah. Like a whole.

For like a skeleton and a purple cloak. Oh, you're saying for a manifestation. For a manifestation. Yeah, yeah. But it is death. That a manifestation. For a manifestation. Yeah, yeah. But it is death. That is what he's going... I mean, yeah. In the movies, I guess it's more of a figurative death

he's sort of in love with. Yeah, but they don't show it and it isn't in the same needy way that it is in Infinity Gauntlet. Yeah, that's crazy. I wouldn't want a skeleton sucking my dick. Clattering teeth. Thanos, you're crazy. Look look he is a crazy guy he's a wild and he's a wild and crazy guy you're in his weird stuff my man maybe you should see his movies

you know does that happen i don't want to say i don't want to say but i could definitively be told if you told me that death gives a blowjob to Thanos, I would go watch. I'd stop recording and start watching the movies. Here's what I'll say. I'll say, you know what? It doesn't happen in the movie, but stay through the credits. Stay through the credits.

That's what I'll say. Oh, that's why everyone's so excited about those post-credits. We don't want to spoil whether Thanos gets top or not, but stay through the credits. I am looking at this 9-11 now. This is, yeah, a close-up of tears kind of coming through his mask. Because even the worst of us, however, scarred, are still human, still feel, still mourn the random death of innocence.

I would have just left him out of the book. death of innocence. I would have just left him out of the book. If I was, I would have just left him out. Because, yeah, I mean, you guys know, he's probably done something that's a little close to 9-11, right? Of course he has. All of them have. Yeah, all of them have. Yeah.

Yes, he belongs in hell, Dr. Doom. Come on. Dude, what's he done that's worse than 9-11 well in terms of people like like uh body count people who didn't deserve it because thanos deserves that skeleton ripped out he did send um reed and sue's son to hell in the 2000s that's not good but tortured them using each other power each other's powers like they were uh not good but one guy we're not up to 9-11 levels yet i'm looking through here and well but that kid also uh created a pocket dimension that saved all their lives what an evil threat oh you know what? We don't have time.

Number two on this list of worst things he's ever done is sent Franklin Richards to hell. That's number two. Number one is the Secret War, the newer Secret Wars. The newer Secret Wars. And then there's an earlier story. Where he became god of all the multiverse, basically.

There's an earlier story called Emperor Doom where he kidnaps the Purple man yes yes and uses his like mind control powers to hypnotize the whole world and does turn the world into a utopia but no one has free will so that's that's the conundrums you get into with doom a lot where it's like well he did something right but it's not quite right yeah everything i've learned about this actually is interesting to me another thing chris said is that there was a point in time where so he uh he's he's kind of he's this dictator of his country led very but it's in the 80s that the fantastic four reinstalled him because the democratic leaders were

fucking up. And then it's like, that's better. Maybe we, so they, they did a coup to get Dr. Doom back in power, which what more like Reagan era,

weird, shady, well, yeah, America. Well, we're going to quit. Let's just not tell anybody.

Yeah. Who wrote that run? That'd be fun. That might've been the burn. John Byrne. John Byrne. Maybe. Yeah. That yeah that's funny but that's a funny like topical thing my my big thing was going to be like pleaded minders for the marvel cinematic universe whatever you do inevitably we're going to get dr doom do not make him topical do not make him topical do not make him a stand-in for stuff don't have someone say like dr doom is gaslighting but don't do that make him a like they they said in watchman i'm not a

republic serial villain make him a cartoon make him a crazy serial villain make him tie him into a don't say oh the actual actually oh his real name is dr docentis yeah well actually that's good actually i actually like that apparently a cantwell push doom's kill count uh up to the highest of any villain in the marvel universe series that's what it says here is that because he used the ultimate nullifier to destroy an entire reality yes because he has the reality where doom does everything right and gets what he wished for so screen rant here in 2022 says dr doom officially claims marvel's highest kill count and it's because of the cantwell number 10 he was not the recipient and that's counting all the comics and he was he didn't have the title and chris cantwell got him the title that's what this article says

wow geez uh look a person i'm very impressed by on many levels and that just added that uh that notched him even higher up uh in my book but this is this is a fun a thing that's nice about this ride that does tie it into the comics where like marvel does have a history of like uh Dr. Doom gets his own comic. You know, let's say Junkernot gets his own comic. Call him Junkernot. Juggernaut. Oh, okay.

I thought you said Junkernot. Didn't you say Junker? Kind of what I heard, yeah. Yeah, maybe. Magneto gets his own comic. The bad guys have their own comics and you see their motivations. Sometimes Joker gets his own movies.

Joker gets his own movies. Can you believe it? Now, you have that instructive thing about don't make him somebody current, but if Doctor Doom wants to steal an old movie and just do it again, but with Doctor Doom, that maybe we're, we could be fine with that. Now we're talking. Well, yeah, I think, yeah. What if Doctor Doom, okay, let's work on this.

I would love if people started winning Oscars for playing Doctor Doom. Yeah. That Doom. Yeah. That count. Yeah. Joker count is high. Let's get some Doom count. Zero in the Doctor Doom. Hasn't been portrayed by too many.

I don't even recognize any of the names of who's played him. Oh, it's that guy from Nip Tuck. That's who you know. Yeah. I don't remember his name, but he's in Nip Tuck. Is he in the Michael B. Jordan one? He is in the Michael B. Jordan fantasy four, but i don't think is he in the uh he is jordan one in the michael b jordan but i don't remember who plays him i'm pretty sure um but those are the two movie versions but both both of those not uh so warmly regarded yeah this is probably it's

probably on my mind just because there was this excellent blank check episode with Lin-Manuel Miranda about the film All That Jazz. Yes. All That Jazz with Dr. Doom, I think would be pretty strong. Oh, man. I like that. All right. Dealing with the death of Dr. Doom and then the long musical number at the end. Fozzie, an equally complicated character, is Dr. Doom.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can point to so much good but all so much like oh what an asshole yeah all right i was gonna say like a kramer versus kramer doom or something you know like an old sure more of a custody thing or like well has there ever been a love interest or you want to pair him up yes he killed his love entry killed the woman he loves

i yeah there's numerous ones well the detail of uh when sue storm is having her second child reed is like in another he's not on earth or he's not available reed is a distant father complications and so johnny storm her brother contacts dr doom for help uh come on Johnny. And yeah, you really could have called Tony Stark or the Beast or someone else. Yeah, call the Beast. And all Dr. Doom asked in return was that he got to name the baby

and he named it Valeria, which is the name of his old long dead lover. Oh. So that's the second child of the Fantastic Four of Reed and Sue is valeria named after dr dune named by dr doom hmm and that's yeah he just wanted to like leave a weird imprint yeah he's left a lot of weird imprints yeah for sure so yeah so that ties into the kramer versus kramer story somehow there's funny imprints too like the there there is an old Luke Cage comic, sort of when Luke Cage, you know,

when it first rolled out, was very much in the line of the 70s blaxploitation heroes of his time. And Doom hires Cage to track down some stray Doom bots and does not pay him. And so Luke Cage travels all the way to Latveria to get his $200. And Doom is like, you would do this for $200? I think I saw Kramer vs. Kramer so long ago that the only scene I remember

is right after the divorce that Dustin Hoffman is trying to make French toast. And he doesn't know how to do it. He hasn't been in this situation before, and it's a disaster, and he has a meltdown making the French toast. So that would Dr. Doom, I would like to see. He can conquer entire nations, but he can't figure out the amount of egg batter.

Oh, and he's got the big metal hands trying to use the skillet. Oh, damn things. And it's like, whatever. Yeah, he's got his science experiments that he's doing perfectly, but he can't figure how to put like nutmeg or cinnamon on the toast oh that's comedy cannot there be a pan with a handle size to fit giant metal hands shall invent one dad we're hungry ah silence enough of your insolence.

I will rush this. I'm putting it. This will be a rapid operation. I will get this pan at least by the end of the week. Dad, it's not working. We'll go to the French toast universe and steal the French toast. It pours from the ground, you know. Oh, Dad, we're going to be late for school.

That sounds right up. How could there be such a thing? Quiet. Universe, it's all French toast. You're making up shit, Dad. You cut to up. How could there be such a thing? Quiet. A universe that's all French toast? You're making up shit, Dad. You cut to them like they're in the pancake. Don't swear. They're in the pancake universe. Dad, this isn't the French toast universe. Close enough.

Why be so picky? Richards has fooled me again. They're stuck there. Eat their way out. Oh, perfect. That is an Academy Award ready to go yes whoever um who could that you know who's the guy in uh buster scruggs um tim tim blake yeah tim blake nelson okay sure welcome to the mcu tim blake nelson great the most affecting nuanced dr doom i would love a run of oscar winners where it's like real big scene

chewing performances and it's not just like well they played a real person so we gotta give them the award they got the walk down and they got the voice down you know yeah yeah you want yeah doom you want to win it's really what you want yeah it'll happen multiple comic book characters should win it at oscars that's what i'm waiting for doom to win and then i don't know whoever that it's only yeah well what's a favor who do you want who do you want to say wow they want an oscar for playing this person uh uh gambit of the x-men i'd like two gambits to be nominated one year who's previously played gambit uh taylor kitch has only played gambit and shanning tatum developed it for years but then it didn't go so yeah i'd like there to be a situation where there are two different men are nominated for

gambit in one year and they're against each other because somehow two is gambit it could be well that's eventually that eventually, yeah, you're right. Maybe that's like the sequel to the two different Gambits. There's a Gambit versus Gambit. Gambits are getting a divorce. You marry them, then you divorce them.

And then, yeah. Will there be... Okay, here's a question. Will there be in our lifetime in Oscars where all the choices for best performance in one of the categories are superheroes.

I think they're going to have to. There's no choice but to do that. They are just bleeding viewers. Of course, extreme interest in the Oscars this year via Twitter clips stolen from Japanese television of the bizarre thing that happened. That doesn't help their ratings. Then they ban the guy if they want ratings will hosts next year yeah i mean it's gonna be like punches everybody who

all the nominated gambits all all right a whole best supporting gambit will be a category that's great i'm loving this best supporting Gambit in like 2033. Yeah. We got closer with that. The time out of the telecast was taken to talk about it. It was like most epic scream worthy moment. The flash thing? Yeah.

Speed Force. What was the category? Most Screamable Streamable. Yeah, what was it? Most stand up and yellable. Ezra. Most sure to not be canceled within six months of this. Ezra Miller used the speed force to run to Hawaii and beat the shit out of some residents. And that was on the Oscars.

Less people stood up and clapped for that. They're getting there is what I'm saying. It got a lot stupider. Flash will be on every Oscar telecast going forward. There will be Flash. Sure. Yeah. We've got to talk about what happens in the story.

This is what drew me to it. I was like how how complex could this thing be but as i read the the story like wow what an interesting justification yeah of just an up and down ride yes and it's yeah it's it doesn't need to be this especially because of the the simple simplicity of the ride so you although another one thing that grabbed my attention that I like a lot is that the place that you're in, it's not just some evil lab. You're in the Latverian embassy. So he has taken, he has set up kind of a goodwill operation in Islands of Adventure.

As theme parks are a host to many different things of that, it's a world's fair where labs are set up and open houses and all these companies are very inviting come in and see we'll show you everything or we'll train you in something and mirror and then all these things go wrong uh but in a way this ride defies that because yeah it's open house at the Latverian embassy, but exactly what he wants to happen happens. Yes. Nothing goes horribly wrong. Right.

It's what he says, come in. I want to extract fear from you. And he does it. Yeah. Because Spider-Man and Hulk, things go wrong on both of them. Those were not supposed to be the experiences they promised you. This is kind of defying the trope, isn't it? Yes.

You're told what's going to happen, and then it happens. And then you hear it go. And it's a weird thing that he's so upfront about it, but it fits with this profile of Dr. Doom you guys are painting. We're like, wow, well, he was honest with us. Uh-huh, yeah, he told you. He told you when he was confident. Yeah, no. Yeah, he told you the big picture.

He told you all of the picture. He gave you the full rundown about the dynamo and about the fear fuel you know well so what let's condense this what's the cliff notes of the way we know he's extracting fear fuel but it is that this the the the lift the ride is an invention of his that is designed to be very scary and make you very afraid. And then he's going to suck liquid fear out of the top of your head, it seems, from the diagrams shown in the custom videos. I see what you're saying. These are very impressive.

They are. Yeah, it's like Jay Ward style goofus. It's kind of a universal trademark of this time period because there's sort of the goofus and gallon and the men in black q2 there's the bumbling uh back to the future test dummies are a little bit yes yeah the um dudley do right videos the whimsy of the time yeah is here more than any other sort of a 60s throwback and it's a little bit retro yeah it's a little film strips um but so all right so machines can extract your fear uh hang on i have some questions about this

the latverian embassy clears up all of the questions with the video they explain exactly how it works i mean you know you know them better so there's this one that's kind of a general here's what's up in latveria yeah it's kind of a it's a it's a pretty funny because it's like a very like bucolic narration but everyone looks very sickly and fucked up uh uh it's it's latveria is often portrayed as very um rural and agrarian to the point of, like, it's almost comedic how much it's, like, peasant people in the 1960s, you know, to today. But there's strong national pride, whether or not they are, like, choosing,

whether or not you can have an opinion in this. Yeah, and it kind of goes back and forth between who's writing them because sometimes it is like a very poverty-stricken country because Doom has taken the whole GDP and put it towards conquering various things or coming up with whatever mischief. And then other times it's like,

yeah, no, he's right. There's no crime here. Everyone has a job. Everyone has food they put them back in yeah they put it right democracy didn't work we need the iron grip of of an evil dictator magician a re kind of a reoccurring um tool in the marvel universe because in the late 90s the un just went fuck it just give genosha to magneto this is easier than fighting him that's true yeah they've yeah the comics have explored a lot of different solutions to world

issues i think in their mind yeah yeah and still to this day so the answer we're all looking for in this tumultuous time might be in a comic in the pages of a comic book yes they say these they aren't but they say they shouldn't be studied in schools. No. Yeah, all those people saying they shouldn't be studied in schools, I see all of you. No way. They should be.

That's what I say. Study them. I'm pulling that from a special feature about when the Batman movie was made. Yeah, in 1976, nobody wanted you to look at a comic book like 85 year old steve allen being mad about it made me think of him when he was at the tv council that's what i'm thinking jack benny thought it was filth yeah uh so then there's some there's some interesting kind of satire in this in these propaganda videos the the quote i wrote down was that this, well, hang on. I guess we have to explain. The fear is being, the fear fall is the invention.

But the fear is being extracted on the fear fall to power another invention. And that invention is, which we don't see, we just hear about it. That's called the Fusion Dynamo. I think it's one of the gadgets in the line i think it's one of the big kind of doodads in the line okay that makes sense so you pass the fusion dynamo the fear is going to fuel the fusion dynamo a powerful super weapon created to destroy by doom to destroy the fantastic four uh so uh this is this system has been in use for a long time in Latveria. Yes.

Citizens line up. They do their duty. He extracts their fear, which leads to this quote, that the fusion dynamo, this big gun, basically, is a peacekeeping device so powerful it would destroy our country's enemies once and for all that is a great joke like that is really funny uh and then and which then would secure doom's rightful place as supreme ruler of the formerly free world this is fun stuff i had no way to pass

by this again because i'm never gonna go on the ride i have no idea these delightful little videos were playing in there that really falls like these videos and just sort of like the my favorite versions of fantastic four i guess like the original run of fantastic four or like mark wade's run on fantastic four it has the spirit of fun funny pop art yeah cosmic not super science not too heavy you can get heavy if it wants but like i i would say probably because it's people were doing like sort of jay ward retro stuff at the time but i also think this fits really well like historically with fantastic four stuff like the like i think i forget who pitched it was it a payton reed or something was like 60s fantastic four movie like doing a fun sort of retro style like this all just lends itself to that property in my mind that's all the stuff i like about it the jack kirby art that you have on your shirt it's like very retro and fun and these these videos are like in that spirit that's

what i like sure yeah even the incredible you've seen The Incredibles, like, The Incredibles has taken a lot from Fantastic Four. Oh, definitely, yeah. Don't the powers essentially line up? They're very similar. Very similar. And family kind of

cookie dynamic. But there's a lot of mid-century modern architecture in The Incredibles and like, there's a little pop-up, the music and stuff. It's kind of forever 60s,

basically. Yeah. So, yeah, that fits really nicely in my my dream version of the fantastic four yeah yeah another one where you meet you meet an individual a character named leopold and he's taught about the big picture because he's confused why is this fear extracting machine a good thing uh but once you see the big picture you know that it's ultimately so that a big gun can be fired at anybody who yes opposes doom's rule and in latveria um so that's all fun and then you

am i now you've been there what are we missing anything uh in the story in the uh in the queue no i mean i the the videos are shown on i i think an interesting choice and i don't know how they settled on but it's like a big vertical screen like it's a long screen and it's kind of in between like banners or flags or stuff i don't it just fits in right and it just looks it's interesting in a way that a lot of the Men in Black stuff is still 4x3 TVs, but this is aged because it's kind of not really glued to any time period. Well, yeah, with long ways. It's what the kids want.

It's like Quibi. So it's come back around. This is before Quibi. That's where Kazimer got his idea. He was riding this ride, and he saw the screen like that. Yeah. And he said, screen like that. Yeah. And he said, oh, this screen equals take over the world. And that's how the Quibi idea was born.

Wow. The turnstile technology, a crazy invention like Dr. Doom himself would dream up. I'll say this, kind of a negative about some of the operations of this ride is that if you do have an express pass you go around the entrance you go around the main entrance and upstairs outside here's the issue and you go right to the loading here's the issue with this the issue you do miss the queue which is a big part of this because the ride is so short and not themed on the actual thrill part of it yeah i see that's kind of's kind of a part of the experience. Well, how long does this line get?

How long am I sitting in this? It's not usually that long, is it? Yeah, I don't think it can. I mean, right now. You've got two towers, so we're loading a lot. Yeah. They're fitting a lot of riders onto this thing. And I feel like this is not a super popular ride in the sense that I don't see people

posting about it a lot in the way they might hulk or spider-man well i think it's hard to record footage on it i mean you're also has done some like the roots are going to ride it and they get very upset sure um and they they had a video where like jimmy fallon do it or just the roots uh jimmy found sent the roots okay because, because Jimmy rode the rock coaster with Kevin Hart? Yes. Okay. And that was in the other park, but he sent the roots to

Dr. Doom. Yeah. Okay. And then there's another video. Come on, Jimmy. I mean, I'm one to talk, I guess. Jimmy did the rock coaster, though. That's pretty hardcore, yeah. He wasn't too afraid to rock i'll say that i like that about him yeah yeah well he's a music guy that's true uh so he there's a video too when like universal like had like a a talking head kind of run of videos five or six years ago like a maria menounos type

there's a guy and he's like i've ridden the whole setup was he's like i've ridden every ride in this park but this one because i don't like heights but i'm gonna do it and then he starts to chicken out and then doom is there like oh prodding him and doom this is my dream is he gets it doom gets him in the safety harness. Doom checks his safety harness before it launches. Your dream is Doom to check your safety harness? Well, for Doom to put me in the Doom ride. Okay, pull that strap if you could. Give that another tug.

Dirty yellow strap. Tug on it, please. I got to check my old laptop. I thought I had a picture on Instagram of me in Doom. Yeah, I was going to say, have you met Doom? Like 10 years ago. I don't think I met Doom at Islands of Adventure. Yeah, I did. to check my old laptop i thought i had a picture on instagram of me and doom yeah i was gonna say if you met him like 10 years ago i don't think i met doom at islands of adventure yeah i did i yeah i got a picture or two with the walk around doom it looks pretty good is it metal or is it like plasticky i think it's like a split the different it's not like glossy metal i think

it's it's plastic i met cyclops i've followed cyclops and some of the x-men but i don't think i met doom yeah i just happened to catch him he was standing outside the alleyway to this ride I met Cyclops. I have a photo of Cyclops and some of the X-Men, but I don't think I met Doom. Yeah, I just happened to catch him. He was standing outside the alleyway to this ride. Okay, maybe that's why, because I didn't go on the ride. Don't want to bother you. Just big fan. I'm sure you hear it all the time.

Big fan. I have given you so much fear juice, my man. Probably more than this water bottle, I would think. Probably like 10 of these things. This is maybe a part why it it doesn't have a big ride is it is set back from the main track yes hulk you see when you walk in spider-man has a queue right in the center of the land as an entryway and a marquee it would be easy to miss this yeah yeah so so yeah that might be part of it too um but yeah i

just meant that it's not i don't think it makes people's lists as much but there's a lot here as we're talking this might be this is infuriating to say to jason you've just said no i mean pop people don't talk about it his anger juice is rising like he's giving off such anger juice well at the top of his head because i mean i think it deserves to be higher on the list what we're doing here today. We're raising awareness. But also I benefit because then I don't have to wait for too long for it. But after this episode comes out, it's going to be the rush. It's going to be the rush.

We're going to give this thing. It's going to be like the gold rush. Second wave. The gold rush, whatever year that was, 150 years ago. Gold rush right to Florida. Fear juice rush. To give doom the fear juice so now yeah next time we go we're gonna wait for like 90 minutes yeah i mean i walked through this the

embassy portion of this queue pretty quickly except i was stopping to watch the videos and i took pictures and i was like mike there's a whole doctor there's so much yeah i forgot about yeah i didn't i didn't remember that before you said anything. Yeah. Because obviously I was scared of the ride. Yeah. I didn't want to do it. So you haven't seen any of the, not in person?

You haven't gone into the line just to see. Yeah. So I didn't even realize it was all there, which I regret now. Not at least going and then chickening out. But then I guess I couldn't chicken out because i i would be so embarrassed well but if you do chicken out the the upstairs walkway once you get out of the interior or the line and stuff the the spot where you load into the towers is really close to the x like you could just go like you know what i'm gonna go and just kind of like go around yeah but then like what if Doom was there and he saw me?

They might have him ready just for that. Like with this video they filmed. Yeah. I'm just giving off all this coward juice, the cowardly juice that's coming out of my head. Which he can't do anything with. He's got to like dispose of that somewhere else like bacon grease. Yeah.

That's like, that's a nuisance to him. I got to dispose of that somewhere else, like bacon grease. That's a nuisance to him. I've got to make a trip to a plant now. He cooks for his daughter with that cowardly juice. I'll use it for something. For the French toast. It actually, you know, coward juice

kind of gives it a certain tinge. It really opened the relationship. Grilled cheese. It's an old diner trick. One aspect of this story also is that he has, okay, so he's been yanking fear juice out of people for a long time, but he's exhausted his Latverian supply. He does, like, everybody who's gonna do

it there has done it he's gotta go somewhere else so he chooses orlando florida yeah as so many evil or good or just inventive businesses do yeah it all lands in florida it's a hub it's a hub of fear i've been thinking about relocating to lake nona it's kind of it's an exciting area on the ride hustling and bustling they say and but he but anyway uh this this premise like i gotta go to america well let me i'm gonna get into here what i my my text message conversation with chris cantwell who joined us long ago to talk about Dogpatch USA, a very fun episode from a couple years ago. So him being a person who has been fully steeped in Doctor Doom, who spent a lot of time thinking about Doctor Doom, writing the character. I was interested in a couple aspects of this.

I just laid out, I gave him a paragraph of here's what the story is. And question one, does this, does this line up? Does this like logically make sense? Dr. Doom has a, a big contraption is going to extract fear juice from people to power the

fusion dynamo. And his, his first thought was, well, it seems like Dr. Doom has just seen Monsters, Inc. And is rerouting the idea into something similar. I said, well, he did beat the Fusion Dynamo.

It does beat Monsters, Inc. So he did get there first. But I just said, harnessing fear, does that seem consistent with the characters? Does that seem like something you would do? Because I don't know the history in the ins and outs and he said 100 because dr doom is not only a brilliant scientist but also a gifted sorcerer as you laid out uh noting that he once fought the devil um so he said well okay so this either has to be a biometric psycho enzymatic energy system never before fathomed or he's using really potent dark arts to fuel his plans.

I just really hope that the ride clarified because he is always very specific. Does this fall more on the science end of things or more on the God end of things? I think it's science is what I thought. Yeah, that's my inclination. Yeah, yeah. Now, I don't quite understand how it works.

I can't picture what liquid fear is. It feels like it's verging on sorcery, but he's probably mixing the two, you know, in everything he does. Well, right, because the way that they're showing it off is a very simplistic way, but it does feel like it's, yeah, juice that's flowing out of a head. But I guess it could be representing the idea that's leaving the head. Is it sweat, in a way? I mean, you don't always sweat because you're afraid, but you might sweat a lot

if you're afraid. Yeah. Is it aura? Is it like an energy field you're giving off? Maybe. Well, this is, you know what? It's unclear in Monsters, Inc. in a way too. You see those cans a lot, the Scream can, and then it kind of comes out like a gas more

often but i don't really know what's going into those cans when you're when a kid screams what what are you bottling up maybe it is something you can't see it's invisible like covet 19 or i think it's well what particles are smaller fear Fear particles or COVID particles? I don't know. Is it like a propane? Is propane a liquid sometimes and a gas other times? I don't fully understand. Maybe that's right. I think you can have liquid propane. Multiple states like a lot of elements would have.

But yeah, maybe it's smaller than a quark. I don't know. What are fear particles? If it manifests itself in sweat, Orlando, Florida is a great starting point for sure. Maybe it's literal. Maybe it is truly just sweat. It's just sweat and it's got your fear in it. It's just collecting out jugs of sweat.

Yeah. Jugs of sweat out in the Florida heat. Yeah. Boiling and bubbling. And sweat has a different signature on it depending on what emotion caused it or what feeling caused it so if you're sweating because like uh a lady walked by on a beach that you found attractive that would be a different signature in the sweat than if you were afraid of dropping a high distance yeah if you're sweating because a character put their snoot against your face if you were kissing sound yeah if you were at Mickey's Kitchen

and a snoot was rubbed on your head and you heard a noise through the snoot, then, yeah, that sweat that you're pouring out of your pores, yeah, it's going to be different than the fear sweat. Well, maybe he has no use for that. That's why he didn't station at Lake Buena Vista. He did it over in in the the universal side of things um here's the other the so that was just i was just like this is logic makes sense does

this seem like he said yes absolutely that's viable adds up and then i then i had a follow-up question which is if you were handed this story uh this is this is going to be the story arc for your next issue it's this way we figured out it's the fusion dynamo and the fear extracting. Does this add up? What would you say in a story meeting? Would you have any concerns? So he said, my one qualm would be that he would use the device on his own citizens.

He famously loved Latverians and makes it so they want for nothing, although they aren't allowed to speak out against the state. They're mostly really happy, although there is resistance. So I'd make it that he was using the fearful invention against people resisting him from inside the country like captured underground members oh what do you think of this is that a decent that's great that makes sense yeah yeah that's some actually some logic applied from somebody who's lived with the character for a long time right um would he make the machine fun that's a question would it be would you get a thrill right would it be fun

thrill out of it or does that i don't know i mean you'd have to i i don't have the answer to that um but if it you know maybe like a relative of fear juice is like giggle juice. Maybe there's something like shock. They switched to laughter. Oh, yeah. Maybe he's figuring that out too. That actually it was more powerful because everyone was having so much fun. Come here.

Let's doom tickle you. Then he dismantles the machine and he does, why build that when I could just have some feathers? Doom's tickle fest dr doom's that tickle fest new summer 2022 if it's an island's adventure jason's gonna be so excited whatever it is don't care anyway i like that note i mean the videos kind of help me explain it helped me understand that like they are volunteering they're also kind of brainwashed like yes i would love to give dr doom my fear but i see the point that oh is that yeah maybe he wouldn't want to like

torture but then it is fun as we're discovering i don't know i think that's a good little that's a smart character turn yeah that justifies past mythology and uh i don't know goes to show uh chris could move dr doom to any medium that he wished i like this i just like this theme park logic i think you could apply you could ask him to square a circle of any number of rides yeah yeah do we have like are there are there logic issues that were i'm trying to think yeah some of them are pretty flawless you know pretty yeah we know all theme park rides are uh airtight who is evac why didn't bumblebee why isn't bumblebee just the star of the ride that's clear no it's clear that's all clear that's all clear okay that was truly sorry sorry that episode was such a flurry i did not my evac section just went out the door oh a lot of

questions about evac but it's not the time not the time look okay we sewed it up it's very clear now that that uh transformers is better than resident we solved it one week one week mike's going off going off on transfer going off about transformers next week i'm going buck wild and dr doom you know just getting it out of our system you say as you gingerly kick your leg like a little i'm going buck wild school boy like a young school boy like a school boy where on a thursday afternoon just talking about my buddy victor you know what was a going buck wild is when you brought this up as an episode topic and I said I'm just gonna ask a question I'm nervous to ask the question but I'm gonna say the question

are we sure this is a main feat and I was not done with the question before the yes yes yes that was Jason that was Jason's anger juice coming out yeah but you know what have again like I said I didn't know all this was there sure I know we have again like i said i didn't know all this was there

sure i know we're getting fun little videos i didn't know that we're i this has to be besides the tower of terrors and i consider that kind of a different genre yeah leg danglers with the with the the industry term leg danglers yeah this is the only leg dangler with a story that involves a mythology that people are invested in like you guys you got to show up and well not you mike but jason got to partake in a proud legacy by going on this leg dangler they're um interesting story too um of what wasn't built there's a lot of uh cool concept art um where this ride was going to use the what is the phrase the intimate first generation freefall and this might look familiar this is at a lot of like six flag parks sometimes it's labeled like superman or superman the escape yeah this is it's the kind that's more of that like ramps down so

you end the ride on your back yes it's l-shaped you're in a weird little cage it um it has an elevator and it kind of pushes you forward at the top and then you drop and you kind of drop on a curve yeah and you end you on your back um it uh what a couple websites said disney did briefly consider this for tower of terror and then they were like oh we'll just build our own system you know it's better than a cage where you're lying it's better than a cage but if you remember a water slide in a box that that parking metal water slide that movie park in Italy we talked about during the European vacation they have a Tower of Terror which is that style yeah where you go forward and then you drop and you end up on your back you know it's really rickety yeah really not safe it ended up being

what the company is s and s s and s worldwide is their current name and this is a oh sorry i was gonna say the like the most of these kinds of things if there's a launch probably that company built it the the expired defunct california venture ride the malibu was the same company right and the sand that's slightly less high uh it was a short now and this is a ride that i did do that i was like tricked into doing or not tricked i knew what it did but boy was it more intense than i thought it was going to be very terrified the most terrified i've ever been and what the the what was the ride profile of the malibu again was it a slow dangle with dangling exactly the same it's a it was just a tiny bit and then you're

shot way up and then it's kind of back and forth, back and forth. Got it. I would love to read the internal documents of what is the story of the Malibumer. Well, isn't it, it's a big carnival game. You are the little, you're the ringing the bell. I don't know what it is that shoots up to ring the bell. The ball, you're the ball, it's ringing the bell. A disc, a puck, what hits the bell the ball you're the ball it's ringing the bell a disc a puck what hits the what hits the bell we aren't carnival boys we're theme park boys so i don't know you're talking about the hammer that you you try to hit and the thing that goes up prize okay if you are there it is

the giants yeah that that was the idea again not so conveyed but i think there were scores on the tower yeah now i can picture it as you're saying this. So that one got taken down. There are a bunch. You know what is the same type of ride? It's the ride at the very top of the stratosphere, which at some point in time was the tallest ride. Not the tallest ride, but the highest ride in the world.

The ride that gets you the highest in the world and that's what jason's gonna jump off of one day one day stratosphere yeah yeah those rides have changed so many times the roller coaster i believe is long gone because it was this i think he's is still there but there's a change that i didn't know about i missed the point in time where the stratosphere became the strat. Oh, it's the strat. Yeah. The strat.

Yeah, it's our buddy. It's been around so long. I didn't know this at all. Yeah, I missed that. The strat. I was staring at the article for, what do you mean the strat? Is it on the building? Does it say that?

I think so. It's the sign. Yeah, that's what you pull up to. And that's what, you know, which is interesting and my only note would be that it's stupid. The strat. It sucks. All uppercase too. Yes. Oh, that's part of you know, which is interesting. And my only note would be that it's stupid. The Strat, all uppercase too.

Oh, that's part of the change? The Strat. Yeah, the Strat. So it's meant to be shouted. Wow, really? You're only allowed to say it with like a group of your rowdy friends. The Strat. Oh my goodness.

I mean, I think the rotating restaurant is probably the big selling point of the strat like at the top the the cocktail bar and restaurant up there more than the rides i yeah maybe more than the rides at this point there's a job still up there vegas not known for aesthetic consistency but i i've looked at the strat website a bit and been like, I don't know what this place's deal is. Yeah, yeah. Man, this is a rat. I'm shocked. So anyway, but the thing that those rides don't have is story, is placemaking.

Well, and then, okay, then before we wrap it up, the ride itself. Once you're on the vehicle, then you're looking at the doors that you enter through. They're just doors, you think, when you're going through them one way, but when you get in position, big Dr. Doom

head staring at you, eyes flashing. They do play up the dictator angle of images of him everywhere. In the comics and in the ride. Jason's got him on a shirt. I got this on Etsy yeah i got him on a shirt i got this on etsy i forget the name of the account i bought it from yeah it's but i'll look

it up there was jason showed that promo art or that the possible art with the uh uh with the water slide with the box um but it had a big green goblin head and i just wanted to say like i was going to mention earlier like big heads i like it big heads are awesome that's a big green goblin head i'm not exactly sure what that was going to be in that art jason what do you think from there well it says labyrinth it almost looks like some sort of haunted house or something green goblin haunted house yes please like there's a doctor this appears to be a doctor octopus spinner ride where each i mean that thing looks tentacles that looks so great i don't know how it would have aged but creepy almost medieval a little bit that's an

interesting vibe that is not the vibe of marvel at islands of adventure one website credited this concept are to neil adams the recently passed away comics legend neil actually i could see that in the green goblin face now that you talk about it it does look like his style um i don't know that it is but it looks like it to me there's an there's an art piece of art online that was credited to neil adams for dudley durant's rips off falls so they might have just had him doing like concept sketches you know all those guys big heads what are your wait big heads in theme park worlds what are there one thing like crusty a crusty land yeah big heads you know and maybe

this goes back to my wanting to see optimus prime's giant head maybe that is comes that yeah maybe it is a big maybe it's wanting to see these things at the highest possible scale um but doom itself doom or green goblin obviously those those are heads i have a lot of affection for already two of my favorite heads for sure um i've got a lot of and now i'm blanking on big heads in i can't picture a lot in disney like on the outside of a building kong skull island is a big head it's kind of only his head it's just like upper shoulders i mean the robot at the end yeah the robot at the end this feels different than what i think yeah yeah you're right you're talking about an exterior head

that is not even though it's not a crusty is not crusty it's a representation yeah it's sort of uh right i'm trying to yeah woody toy story in in Japan. Yes, thank you. That's perfect. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and Toy Story Land in Japan. A big Woody head. I like the big Woody head. Sure. Giant heads in general are really great. But yeah, big Doom head and big Green Goblin. Are there any on the Disneyland property?

Is there a big head? Am I crazy for not conjuring what is a big, especially when you walk, do you like walking through the big head's mouth? It would be. I mean, you go in Monstro on Storybook. I don't think that's a big head. That's a full body.

No, I know. I'm just thinking through this here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just picture in big stuff. It feels like a big head doesn't go. There's no big head room in most of the lands. That wouldn't thematically fit. I know.

So I'm flashing a California Adventure. Yeah. Are we over looking what big head are people like yelling about this is the big head do you go through the bears the rock bear's mouth and the grizzly uh rapids ride no you do not no that'd be it'd be a thousand times better right yes uh no I don't think there's a big head in Disneyland. Well, more big heads. Get big heads in Disneyland, clearly. Yeah. You would have loved that hotel where you were supposed to be. The hotel is Mickey Mouse's body.

One of Eisner's first ideas when he showed up. One of the brilliant ideas of that man that didn't get built. Yeah, the leg-straddling Riverside Drive. Mickey's. No way. get built yeah the legs straddling riverside drive mickey no way just like you so many people would have gone by and just fired rifles into his crotch stay in mickey's spleen i'm in the mickey spleen suite uh it's a great idea though honestly i'm in his right pinky toe where yeah it's kind of i don't know but at least it's close to the restaurant. Where are you at?

It is. No, it's good. We want that to be built, though, right? Yeah, sure. Oh, I live over by the big Mecca Mickey in Burbank. You can see it from space? Yeah, you know, the big Ultraman Mickey. Yeah.

Mom, Mom, did you see my race? Oh, of course I did, darling. Look, you did your best. You tried. The thing is, it's not about winning. It's about taking part. Next year you might do better. But I did win, Mom.

You did? When it's sunny, make sure you can still see. At Specsavers, get two pairs of glasses from $149. And one can be prescription sunglasses hey the sun won't wait visit specsavers.ca for details conditions apply um other thing i learned about this that when doom taught there's a line in this ride uh that you i believe this is said when you're on it that he says your your terror sucked from the very marrow of your being love that and the doom voice in this i believe is a doom voice in other stuff in cartoons around that time but the but then i'm

looking through the what is this voice actor done neil ross is the name the one that screamed at me the announcer of the video that uh marty watches about the biff tannin museum yes wow my favorite things probably had the most impact of any scene on me as a kid because it made me realize i don't want to make movies i want to make things like that i want to make the biff tannin video that's funny because as a kid i I also would be like, I want to write, Doom bots ignore safety warnings and set for maximum extraction. Ignore? He sells them to ignore the safety?

Yeah. Oh, so you don't realize. And then doesn't he say, like, put your head back? Now put your head against the headrest. I don't want to miss a drop. Prepare to be terrorized. I don't want to miss a drop. It's drops.

Yeah. So it is liquid. There is a juice element. Yeah don't want to miss a drop. It's drops. Yeah. So it is liquid. There is a juice element. Yeah, he is juicing you. Yeah, it is liquid. I bet it's sweat. Wow, like an orange. Yeah. That's gotta be what it is. Huh. Huh. So this is, it's a big

sweat extracting machine. It's kind of like, it's really it's the kind of thing that they, like a kooky invention to make you skinny from 1910. It would just shake you. Like, oh, yeah, a weird barrel that would, like, sauna you until you lost weight or passed out and died. See, now this is, I didn't even realize you didn't know about the Q videos. No, no idea.

Like, the Q videos. No, no idea. Like the whole storyline. I was, when you said, you know, is there enough? Here, in my head, I was like, well, Fear Juice is going to be like 45 minutes just on its own. And you're right. Yes. Fear Juice. You knew it. You had it ready to go. And you fought for Doom.

You defended Doom in his honor. And this has to be just a great moment for you a victory for you to have been able to to profess uh your love of doom and be a soldier in his army memories riding with my dad and and you know just uh yeah it's uh don't sleep on it folks it's it's fun great views uh whatever angle you get on usually not a terribly long rate and um now that i am older and the hulk hurts my brain this is still pretty pleasant to ride we well we did go front row hulk i don't know how you didn't get me to drag me onto this i don't know what happened you were you were running off to you might have been going to nxt yeah but i feel

like you should be like come on you got to do this i yeah i don't know that's more of a you thing that's i don't i want to razz you too much because you were watching the clock and you were like oh it's your fault okay that's fine you should have done it to me help me out i think i mentioned it earlier in the day and you started talking about like dangly instead i was like yeah it's great you should have given me shit like your feet i've been kicking my feet subconsciously most of this time because i'm thinking about imagining your oh wow love the danglies yeah you've been picturing yourself on this thing the whole time as if you've been losing drops of fear juice from your brain.

Yeah. But nothing to fear. It's been a delight. And, you know, I'm glad I know about all this. I like Latveria. I'd like to watch a big, like, Game of Thrones about the politics of Latveria. Well, they just announced Fantastic Four's dates.

What is it? The end of 2024? I don't know. Is that right? They announced so much at Comic-Con. My head was spinning. I lost track. And they still have D23 to announce more.

Well, they clearly were saving a couple for that. So yeah, you'll see. King Go. King Go. King Go maybe. Who knows? He may be around the corner. You never know.

They didn't mention him though, but he'll be back. But they're not going to announce what I want now, which is just a full let very in examination at this end to bring the fearful device to the big screen. Well, that's true. I mean, look, the pace of these things coming out are very fast, but there's so many of them. There's like five years between like sequels so maybe if you're lucky you could work on it in eight years

yes bring fearful to the the disney plus the disney neural link whatever it is at the time so do you think they'll be okay with that mine is about that there's like a there's hijinks at the fear juice storage facility and some bumbling fear juice technicians knock a bunch of barrels over and then slip and fall. I think what'll happen... And then this fear juice, they accidentally drink it and then they're having people's dark memories. Okay, what's going to happen is it's Comic-Con 2041. Kevin Feige is 85 years old and he's announced now old uh 2067

kevin feige is 80 years old he comes out on stage he announces 50 movies but then he says we have a very special surprise who here is a fan of the fantastic four and people cheer and he says who here is a fan of scott garner and everyone cheers justice loudly and you come out on stage by then because the body of work will 68 69 years old and and then you hold you just say hey who knows what this is and you hold up a glass of fear juice and then you drink it on stage in hall h at comic-con the place goes nuts and then you start hallucinating and explain that you are doing this project finally on disney plus i'm hallucinating i don't know i mean in this world okay okay hold on hold on this is all blue sky on the top of my head you know rock just came out as black adam in character

with effects with effects at hall h a couple days ago so maybe it'll be sort of a presentation a show busy presentation where you drink the fear juice and then you're like the fear fall like the tower rises from the stage or something and then yeah i i have too much fear just i pass out and then the towers rise up out of they sure crack out of yeah, yeah. Scott, you could also adapt the comic where Doom meets Kiss and they fight. Whoa. And this is from cbr.com. How is Doom defeated?

Well, Paul Stanley uses his magical black ninja star to have Doom relive the memory of his father dying. So also, they note about this, and I did know this about this comic. I've never seen it, but I did know this. Actual blood was taken from the band members

and mixed with the red ink used in the comic book. What the fuck? Yeah, I remember reading that in Wizard Magazine that that was happening. Did they ever do that for anything? Was that ever like a gimmick on album covers or anything? oh yeah i think they may have done that yeah for an album cover i think so um i mark grunwald i was gonna say mark grunwald's ashes were put into scattered and captain america print run yeah so common there were sneakers there were sneakers recently

with a drop of blood in them, and everyone went crazy because they thought it was for Satan. And then Rob Liefeld hawked a loogie in the print run of Deadpool. He hawked snot into the ink before it was printed. Well, but, you know, that's okay, because that's just something that the Merc with a Mouse would do. That's something Wade would do. This comic with these sticky white creatures taking over the city.

That's right. They look so real. They look so vibrant and luminescent. I wonder how they painted this so... We'll never know. That is maybe the second... The kiss thing is only the second most intriguing Marvel property. Well, that actually happened, though.

I just wanted to bring up again, I've said it on the show before, in that Marvel Comics book, The Secret History or whatever it's called, where they bring up the idea that they were going to, or they had the idea to do a Silver Surfer movie starring Dennis Wilson. Oh, yeah, baby. Oh, I know about that. Yeah, yeah. You know what?

I'm going to confess something right now. I had a fear. I know about that. Yeah, yeah. You know what? I'm going to confess something right now. I had a fear. I had fear juice flowing through my body about this episode. Because I was worried. Because there's this thing that happens when Marvel stuff is talked about. And the thing that happens is you guys say the names of characters and artists. And I don't know what's going on. Right.

And I feel like I have nothing to contribute and bring to the table. But I've been so fascinated by all of the discussion today that I did not need to resort to my plan B. I wanted to cut a deal with you guys, and the deal was this. Oh, wow. That if there was a minute or more

of discussion of characters and artists, that I would pull out this physical piece of paper that I have. And the physical piece of paper is a bunch of facts about the Beach Boys. Oh, okay. And we would do a fact exchange. Sure. Right. It says, fun, fun, fun facts. And so we would have done kind of a little bit of a ping pong yeah which

would i think would have been a good system would have allowed you guys to have free rate to do you know to discuss uh artists and specifics all you wanted but i could have returned the volley uh with you know with some of these give us a couple some of these facts uh oh why uh you know the the beach boys actually flirted with several early names, including the Pendletones and Carl and the Passions. By 1969, the band had outgrown their adolescent image, so Brian Wilson proposed dropping boys and going by just The Beach. He even drafted up a five-page legal agreement to make it official, but it was quickly vetoed

by the rest of the band. So, that sort of thing could have been peppered through the butt i didn't have to do i didn't have to break you did an emergency glad because to save those for later that's what i'm thinking now you know those are and whether it be marvel or whether it be just just know that uh if we're in that kind of territory that i do have the fun fun fun facts ready to go i will say them them. I'd love to say, I have to replace number two now because I just exhausted it. You'll never know when you need,

like there might be an episode where Jason and I just spent 20 minutes recounting an old Herald that we did, an old improv show. There could be an episode where we talk about our favorite Fruity Pebble flavor. Anything is possible. So yeah, you will need those. So yeah, don't burn them all yeah yeah and tie it

all back together uh at one point in time dr doom stole the silver surfers powers it took him okay so he could have stolen dennis wilson that's what i realized that not that it was not random and arbitrary in a way the fun fun fun facts that the ultimate fun fun fun fact is that dennis wilson was almost part of the fantastic four maybe okay yeah it would have been silver surfer movie not yeah specifically i think silver surfer movie yeah so we're very associated with the fantastic four very popular uh black light poster character very psychedelic oh that makes sense yeah when he acted in this weird movie called two lane blacktop directed by amani hellman in 1971 oh here i am going into the fun fun fun facts i'll save that that that's

fair i know about too late blacktop a little you know criterion strange movie uh but you know what is to the credit of this attraction that the fun fun fun facts will be saved for another day we'll save that as you said for when there'll be some episode where you're trying to remember like a party and whether marissa strickland was there or not yeah you get caught on that for seven minutes and then ready to uh unsheathed so the bigger revelation is that scott a full working full color printer. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, I made a point. I wanted to jazz it up.

I mean, I'd love to show the audience, but I don't want to reveal the fun, fun, fun. I want it to be like a flyer you'd see in like a little marine life exhibit or something or like in a cork board at the zoo. I think that's how I'd see it. It's fun, fun, fun. But that'll be saved for another day because we've arrived at the end here. You survived podcast, the ride.

What a blast. Hey, I want to go to Latveria. Let's all get the next ticket. You know, Doom, I would say, I bet what really what this is all about is that when you were researching Doom, you felt like sort of the Ivan Ooze of the Doom. Like Doom is of that level of fun villain.

He's silly. There's like. There's so much silliness. There's a theatricality to it. There's a scene chewing. Logic, weird stuff to pick apart. I even pulled the, I was intrigued by like, oh oh what are the cities and towns in lat very uh oh i doomsburg doomsdale yes yes doomsvale no no no dooms no meet me in doomsdale not doomsvale

that's on the other side of lat very very specific doomton doomwood doomton is very german uh the kind of thing german town yeah Yeah Anyway yeah Hey I'm intrigued I'm sold Thank you guys for that Thanks Chris Cantwell For bringing your expertise To the episode You can find us

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And he's returned with an Ikea bag or something. Scott, I can't remember. Is your birthday today or is it within days? Oh, my. It will have passed by the time this airs, but it's this week. It's this week, right? Oh, my God. Okay, I couldn't remember the actual day.

There's so many present exchanges. Okay, it's been happening a lot. And the only reason I'm doing this on the show is because we briefly mentioned this, but I have got you the entire Seinfeld apartment that I've mentioned on the contemporary episode. Oh, my God. How many pieces is it? It's six. It's six.

It's six. It's a lot smaller than it looks. There's six boxes here. Oh, sure. Yeah. When they're all together, they're just a very small little diorama. I'm going to take a picture of this big stack stack um wow wait what are we okay uh it's all jerry's apartment pieces yeah it makes up the entire characters it makes up the entire apartment

like that on the back oh you put them all together and it looks great it's a very it's a not expensive toy oh it looks great and you got little like peg people to do it but uh here you go well there's the shell this is what i was asking about exactly you got wait this came up because of contemporary because this is like mundane and it's uh it's not fantastical places it's very practical so it's oh it's uh i i i completely put it together after we talked about it i was like well this is cool oh my god so it's great there you go much geez oh i appreciate it of course happy birthday um now i didn't want to leave jason in the cold even though it's not his birthday so i got him a little thing uh i hope he likes this uh it's an anthropomorphic Hershey Kiss.

So there you go. All the punk robots they have are like kind of gross. Well, this one's actually pretty cute. They're all like... They're kind of gross. I was going to say grotesque food creatures. It's a moon pie. It's Mayor McCheese.

And now it's this cute little Hershey Kiss. So we're adding to the amount of buildings or rooms that we've collected. That's what I'm trying to do. This is completely in my wheels. And I love that it's Elaine with the big puff hair. Yes. It's classic Elaine. Elaine Mach 1.

Yeah. There's an Uncle Leo. Uncle Leo. It's like all six. All six. Oh, excuse me. Yeah, they have six different little sets that you buy or six different little pieces you buy. And it's Jerry, Newman, Kramer, George, Elaine, and Uncle Leo,

which is a great character. But it is funny because it feels like there were more used characters. But, you know, whatever. Jeez. Well, I got to get the kid playing with this. I got to get him practicing Kramer entrances. No, no, no. Wilder.

You got to fly through that door. Yeah. More forethought. It's season nine. We were playing season nine today. So he's not just, it's not just walking through a little odd. It's a whole. Yeah.

It's a whole thing. Remember, it's three cameras, so you can go a little bigger. You can go a little bigger. Uh-huh. So I mean, the figures themselves might be too small for him. I don't know if he's eating things. You know, he's not. That's a good thing.

That's the thing I'm proud of, of my boy a lot of uh stuff in his mouth no all right well we'll take a picture of this and uh oh my god wow hey really appreciate it of course thank you uh thanks for opening my eyes to this maybe i'll go with you guys uh through the line and then not get on the right well we'll wave to to you when you're at the top. We'll see. Forever Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson,

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