Podcast: The Ride - Dumbo the Flying Elephant

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

We kick off 2022 with a look at the beloved attraction, Dumbo the Flying Elephant. Featuring circus talk, famous riders, and of course, clowns. That Disney On Ice Show Where The Incredibles Meet The Pirates From Pirates Of The Caribbean episode up at The Second Gate: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: http://foreverdogpodcasts.com/plus FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

FOREVER! DOG! WARNING! The following podcast may contain dystopian cookie nightmares, forced removal of elephant innards, and toxic ass foam. 2022 takes flight with Dumbo the Flying Elephant on Podcast The Ride, the podcast that turns 90-second rides into 90-minute episodes. I'm Scott Gardner, back in person with Jason Sheridan. Hi.

Hi, that's right. Yeah, it's been a month to the day since the last InProve. We've done a couple, but over Zoom. Yeah. So here we are. Changes everything. Worth bringing up, obviously. Mike Carlson. Yeah, worth. Oh, my gosh. Worth bringing up. Don't people love the ins and outs of the podcasting game?

Yeah, we are here. It is the longest maybe break between a main feed that we've ever taken. Is that correct? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And if the world was better, it would have maybe felt like a nice break, wouldn't it? Right? Like, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, well know you brought it up it's you know we you want to come in with uh some positive energy in 2022 and that's you know for any new year you want to do that you want to do it this year but it's really hard to do i'd say under the shadow of everything that's going on and i don't need to say it but i'll say it that is of course the closure this week of shrek 4d yes universal studios right florida um it's like how do we even i think we should be lauded for even doing an episode at all considering the circumstances but um and i i'm sorry if this is too painful for you to bring up because it's closer to home but yeah i am the soon upon us closer of sugar boo and co yeah at downtown disney you know i know it's a rough one the um yeah i think the dates are are set i mean what like i don't want to vocalize this where we end the podcast but i know we're i

know we've at least all thought it let's i think there'd be a relief to saying like how do we even go on given all of these closures on both coasts i feel trapped yeah but you know here's the thing like you're right and i felt like we should end the podcast after sugar boo announced it was closing but no one would have blamed us not one person would blame right because our spirits were so low in case you know what we're talking about this is a store at downtown disney that sells wooden signs with sayings on it um but i went into the sugar boo and there was a sign that said my heart will go on and it was 150 and i said you know what the podcast must go on that's right so right and if they weren't uh reducing that price even though it was one of their final days of operation if they're going to be true to who they are right up to the end then so yeah we need to be is there rise to

the occasion is there a liquidation sale going on at sugar booth should we i haven't really been going a lot of places lately but should we go down and see if there's any good sales well i mean you also got to go down and check out the new stores pele soccer and love pop a store that sells mostly pop-up greeting cards pop-up like so like like a picture book like a pop-up book yeah a little child's pop-up book like paper flower pop-up paper flower there is now now in 2022 in like as we heading into year two of pandemic now there is a disney store that is all pop-up cards well the third party they do have some disney themed cards uh and then the pele soccer of course has pele stuff and also soccer memorabilia and jerseys and everything like it's his brand of it's a great pele it's the uh corporate

entity pele it's the uh whatever you want to call it pay like i think this is that was the most rosy theme park news i'd seen in a while like oh very odd very specific stores returning to downtown disney maybe nature is healing yeah i guess so yeah like micro targeted oddly like more specific than would be at a regular mall or shopping center. Yeah. Like who would ever, it does, the pop-up card place harkens back to like an all wind-up toy store at City Walk. Or the, you know, it's not gone, but the sock store. Yeah. I feel like sometimes when I see a Sephora, I feel like they've lost their mission of stores that you would assume shouldn't exist.

And why would they? Yeah. I want fridge magnets and bottle openers and nothing else. I just like, I wish Pele was involved in more of the stores at Downtown Disney. Oh, Pele's Jamba. Yeah. Why not? Pele is,

I'm glad to see that. It's Pele. It's the man Pele we're talking about, right? The soccer player. Yeah. So I'd like to see him get out there with more like endorsements and more, uh,

I don't know. Got to get his brand up. Does he have, let me ask this question, a celebrity liquor? Does Pele have a celebrity liquor I don't know offhand okay he might be a clean living athlete who does not uh who thinks that liquor would get in the way of great soccer skills okay well uh we'll look it up and maybe we'll suggest it to him on his website

if he has a you know uh suggestions email i appreciate that you're striving for more but you know that pele has finally come to downtown disney and then you're just like you're right or pele you're right you gotta appreciate pele land i'm greedy i wish scotty pippen would come to downtown disney because he has a celebrity liquor he has a celebrity endorsed popcorn uh and i wish he would come down and and do something with disney but i don't know what it is i'm not sure but we can talk about that later i just feel like it'd be a good uh zone for him just yeah um well he's really ramped it up in the last couple years so i feel like restaurant store is is next for him and for the brand. So to be, to play on the ultimate stage,

to play in the ultimate arena, I guess you would say, that is downtown Disney. That is the ultimate arena. Yes, I would say that. And of course, I still have a bottle of Digits. His bourbon I have not opened yet. It's going to be saved for a special occasion. So I've transitioned out of liking Casamigos

to exclusively liking digits despite having not opened a bottle or exactly yeah exactly the mere notion of digits yeah bye bye randy hello scotty that's the way i feel uh hey no complaints for me yeah i'm i'm loving well now i've never felt better about 2022 is different there's a lot of different shit i mean if everyone wants to declare how they're going to be different going forward in this year, I think this is the time to do it before we dive into Dumbo. Jason, what do you think? Oh, I don't know. I hadn't really given that much thought.

Okay, so you're going to be the same. Got it, Scott. Yeah. Exactly the same. Perfect. No notes. Let me see. I don't know.

I say this, and I think I might immediately take it back, but do I need to be more open-minded to generic radio music of the 90s and 2000s? This is what I feel like. It's come up a lot. I don't know if it's becoming a wedge. I slap these things down, the Green Days and the Brian Setzers, and am I missing many musical marvels

by not pursuing these discographies of things that are played in supermarkets all the time? I don't know. I mean, you have to answer that question for yourself. Is it funny to me now that Brian Setzer is a villain on this podcast? It's hilarious to me. I love it.

I love that you hate Brian Setzer. And this was a second gate development, potentially, if you missed this. I think about it every other day. I go, Scott hates Brian Setzer, and I giggle. It makes me laugh so much. I didn't want to add to the episode that we just did on the second gate, which was about an Incredibles ice show, if you didn't hear it. And we also met a new friend, the opposite of an enemy enemy a new hero on the podcast named jay bigga of course

so check that out at patreon.com slash podcast thrive but over there recently yeah there was some brian setzer discussion because he was in the country bears movie and i didn't want to bring it up but i was the thing that inspired that incredibles ice Show episode. There was a, the 2005 Very Merry Christmas Parade features Brian Setzer at the beginning. They open it. I didn't want to open that can of worms, but since we've opened the Setzer can of worms now, he,

he, so he opens up the parade. I'm in the whole orchestra, of course. He does jingle bells and changes the lyrics to be, oh, what fun it is to ride in a 57 chevrolet and and you know here i am saying i was going to be more open-minded but i i did when i heard that when i watched the video of that and then like his whole horn section go like hey i

was like mike jason tell me this is good look me in the eye and tell me that you like that i'd have to watch the video i have to see it yes i've already tainted the description of it yeah um i don't know offhand though i mean you laughed but is that a mocking laugh is it a uh or is it a laugh of you if you were at the concert would you go ha ha well b Brian you're incorrigible It's so tainted by now though this is a problem Because you've tainted it with This disgust

So I feel like I wouldn't even Maybe I would have been like oh it's kind of annoying Or that's stupid or whatever but now when I see it I can't help but think of the Anger toward it So I don't think I'll ever be able to completely assess it. Because I never owned a Brian Setzer album. I've never like, all I said was I do like the song he does in the Country Bear movie.

That's really all I've actually said. And I liked what the single he had. What was it? I don't like the Stray Cats one as much as the 90s single that he had with the orchestra. What am I? Jump Drive and Wail. Thank you. I did like it at the time.

I don't listen to it now so so it's never going to be possible for me not to watch it and laugh so now it's actually you've made it better for me you've made all these performances better i know i knew this is where it was go that like what what now what happened because i've registered my dislike now cut to mike and jason going full force on brianzer out of nowhere. This is a troll. As a spite listen situation. Yeah. I will be.

I mean, I'm full disclosure. Like, depending on what you're shitting on. There are. Like, Green Day, I did have, like, a lot of affection for. And I do when I say. I mean, I know it's funny. That one makes more sense to me. To talk about it.

And I don't. They're in my reconciliatory 2022. I do get it. I get it. It's not for me. setzer yeah i don't have much uh affection for or disdain for but yes if it comes up on the show it is a hundred percent in an attempt to get a rise out of you yes yes yeah there's no way around it yeah understood uh jason you've been awfully silent on this matter though where's in terms of what i would like to hear and what what i i like i think i liked brian setzer uh orchestra when they were

leaning more towards the like dorsey brothers than uh the rockabilly stuff what the fuck are you talking about like they lean more towards the dorsey brothers actual like big band like you reference something i have no reference point for bassy's orchestra yeah yeah like It's the actual like big band. Like I was like, he played something. I have no reference. You're talking about like bassies orchestra. Yeah. Yeah.

Like I saw them. I first learned about them from Conan. The Brian Sester Orchestra was on Conan and they all had like tuxedos on or white chat dinner jackets on

and they were doing like in the mood, you know, just a straight cover of like, I don't know. I don't know what song you're talking about. I just like that. I just like old music. I played in the mood you know just a straight cover of like i don't know this i don't know what song you're talking about and i just like that i just like old music i played in the mood in

eighth grade i'm in the mood what's in the mood and i just liked old music because it was in i liked old movies so So, like, I... And that's where I got to it. And I would find his CDs at, like, used record stores. So, you had the CDs. I had one or two of the, like, Sesser Orchestra CDs. So, when Jason brings it up, it's not necessarily 100% troll. Yeah. No.

But, like, anytime anyone has, like, a very visceral reaction to anything on this show, the others like jump on. Well, yeah, of course. There is a potential episode topic floating around the other day where you're like, guys, this one's real bad and you gave a specific and I'm like, you are making me want to watch it so much more. Oh, I see. You are making me.

No, the other. Yes. Everyone else becomes a vulture all of a sudden. Yeah. No, I smell blood. That's good podcasting is sadly the problem. And then I started getting marketing material for your consideration, and I'm like, well, if I'm already considering it,

they as well podcast it as well. To the movie you're thinking about, I just heard Jim Hill talk about it. Really? I was just listening to Jim Hill talk about the same thing. Well, if he's talking about it. So if he's talking about it, we got to talk about it. If America just listening to jim hill talk about the same well if he's talking about it talking about it we gotta america's talking about it yeah so okay well i just wanted to know like where the traps might be and where this could potentially be going uh and look if you end up suddenly all nine albums deep into you're always playing brian

setzer in the car lindsey and jane are like what the what's happening why is this i'm gonna have to listen to a few it's nothing but big band with you from now look it's a whole thing it started with it started as a spite thing with scott but now i look what can i say i love the bso they remind me of the dorsey's bso if i get into big band revival music in 2022 it's not out of the question i mean possible i have actual like big band uh compilations like in my eye so like when my bluetooth my car connects to my phone usually when i drive i listen to podcasts but if it this is just auto defaults to music and sometimes it will just default to whatever's in the iTunes library. I don't know. Jason's head out on the town today.

Folks, we're listening to Bunny Bear again while we drive to In-N-Out Burger. Oh man, we got to do an old timey big band Patreon episode. By the end of 2022, I think maybe not spurred, not just by Scott's spite, but also by being hopefully by then

excited to be in bigger groups of people. I think it's the Mike Carlson and Jason Sheridan orchestra. I think you guys started an orchestra. Okay. I think you can have one without being a master of one of the instruments yourselves.

Well, I play trumpet, so I am. Yeah, so you'll take a trumpet solo. And I'll just do banter. I'll have like a lazy conductor's one and I'll turn around a lot and mug to the audience and in between songs like well that was a real humdinger oh wow we got another ditty coming up for you folks well there's more big band to come more let's just start building the

stands start building the what do m mc yeah jso okay so just like even though like i don't know maybe it's carpet for the horse but i say start building them even before you get the musicians because you got to get those looking nice and polished so right uh find a carpenter or start building them yourselves and uh before you know it you'll be doing shows god that sounds good yeah yeah i'm coming soon uh the all different world at the end of the year um what's this episode about again the beloved attraction the beloved attraction which i saw uh referenced as the only one at all six castle parks or one of the few other websites saying one of the few attractions at all six on every property it's on every theme park property yes yeah yeah uh it's it's a it's a basic it's a tenant it's a tent pole the most iconic

ride maybe yeah that's what i think you gotta you gotta ask those kind of questions because and and if we took our time getting to it at the beginning some of it might be at the end of the day it's a ride that just goes round and round. The ride itself is that. However, I think there's bigger stuff here. I think it functions as a symbol. I think it's important in the history and the legacy. It's bigger than itself.

It is bigger than itself. Yeah, I think it's one of the ones like Space Mountain or Haunted Mansion where it is shorthand for like theme parks. Certainly shorthand for like Disney parks, but shorthand for theme parks at large. And also copied everywhere. Like duplicated at traveling carnivals, at regional amusement parks, at fairs, you know? Yeah. You sit in like sitting

and are you okay jason is something's wrong but i want to imagine it's oh i'm fine i'm just uh uh coffee repeating on me oh yeah i was hoping you were crying about dumbo because that's a good also also good podcasting so we can get one of us to cry i mean dumbo the movie by the way is a well there's another thing that's evolved far beyond the movie, the sad, kind of nightmarish animated film, which will come up later. There is more movie stuff tied into one version of this ride. Right.

Yeah, I did a rewatch of the movie in prep for this, partially because it is short. I think I can, all right, I can a rewatch of the movie in prep for this, partially because it is short. I think I can handle a 65-minute. You know, sometimes you get the question, I'm sure you guys do, as people are trying to figure out, what is this theme park interest that these people I know have? So are you into the Disney movies?

Is that a part of this? And I will tend to say no. That would have been my answer in a soft way before. But having reflected on movies like Peter Pan, Pinocchio, and now Dumbo, I might say specifically

I don't like the movies, or at least these movies. Right? Like Dumbo is just unrelenting. Maybe you guys haven't done it in a little bit well it's for my yeah i haven't done it real recently but the sadness and the bleakness of dumbo uh like why as even as a kid i didn't like i liked dumbo the character but i don't i was i don't think i was ever begging to watch Dumbo over and over again.

It's like almost what you want is a Dumbo 2, which maybe I don't think they did that in straight to video times. I think there were maybe plans in Walt era of another Dumbo that didn't happen. Right. But what you want is like that to be the miserable backstory. Yeah. That all is a prequel that you can ignore if you don't want to be upset. And now you go on a brand new adventure

with Dumbo that is 90% flying, 0% crows, 0% scary clowns, making him die from a thousand feet in the air. Let's get,

let's strip all that out and it's just our friend flying around. It's a, what you want is a movie that's like the ride, I feel. Yes, you do.

Simple. 100% flying and happiness. You want Dumbo Quest for the Magic Feather. Yeah. The feather gets lost. Jason, could you make the title a little longer? Dumbo Returns colon Quest for the magic feather it could be longer

in feather land maybe in the feather journey to the rescue of that is right that's good journey to the rescue of the phantom rescue of the mists of the magic feather Dumbo and Timothy

in the quest for the magic feather Dumbo and timothy in that okay that's good dumbo and timothy in the quest for the whatever yes yeah i um i i will give them credit that song baby mine is um i think a very beautiful song but also maybe the saddest song ever made yeah yeah i discovered that during uh well i want to say peak pandemic but who knows at this point uh during uh pandemic 1.0 when disney was doing all these specials that were like sing along from home that katie perry sang baby mine in full dumbo wardrobe with her little dog who was also in Dumbo. Oh. Wardrobe.

But not to a baby. Not she had just had a baby and did it. I don't believe so. In this case, no. Okay. I think this was a dog dressed as a little elephant. By the way, did you guys, have you guys seen any clips? She's doing residency in Las Vegas.

Oh, Jason. Okay. All right. I'll save it. Never mind. Never mind. I can't wait. Can I spoiler alert a little bit of it for the audience? It's got to be the one. doing residency in las vegas okay all right i'll save it never mind never mind wait can i spoiler alert a little bit of it for the audience it's got to be the one it's got to be the thing are you okay yeah i'm okay she's doing california girls and there's a giant toilet with a talking shit yes she rises out and then a turd rises out she climbs up on some toilet paper she like twerks

at the audience and then she climbs up on the top of the toilet paper. And then she's singing with this giant turd. And I'm like, wow, how fast can I get to this show? Wow. I saw her in Vegas. It was a tour, not a Vegas residency. But there was a long, what was the song? It was Swish Swish uh which had kind of a basketball

veneer and she just did a long basketball shooting contest with a dad from the audience as the music just kind of just like simmered for a while and then i swear like 15 minutes it took forever to get the results of the dunks or the shots in but it was great it felt like a now we're watching double dare live well that's fun yeah i mean katie perry's maybe a little uh a little theme parky she gets from the pictures of this nonsense show it seems like this set is amazing um yeah the set's amazing like changes a lot too i sent both of you guys a link we just had to talk about baby mine and if you want to talk covers of baby mine there's nothing better and i hate to go to classic rock again because i guess it's classic at this

point but nothing is more terrifying than the image of this man singing baby mine i think holding his own son on stage i don't have it yet um jason you have it uh professional wrestling promoter billy corrigan um he's doing baby of mine at the wells fargo center in philadelphia and he's wearing a circus like circus ringmaster jacket he's got black makeup on his eyes uh he's holding a baby and then he sings baby mine i mean it's so sinister. Jimmy Chamberlain playing the mandolin behind him. I do like that we've classified Smashing Pumpkins as classic rock

because Billy Corgan is, what, 88 years old? Well, you got to throw the Foo Fighters and Smashing Pumpkins at this point. Because it's like 25 years at least at this point. It is classic rock. The Pearl Jam. I've heard Pearl Jam on classic rock stations at this point. Yeah, sadly. So the song resonates beyond.

That you could pull out of it, but otherwise maybe we want to bail on the majority. I want to bail on the majority. Dumbo. Yeah. I, I kind of forgot that there was such a clown element to it too. I'm never happy about that.

I forgot that that's why Dumbo has the hat, right? That it's initially part of a clown costume is they make him perform a terribly dangerous stunts uh diving off a building on fire jeez uh and then you've got the horror the horrible element of dumbo also where the the clowns are apparently because at one point the clowns say hey we gotta go threaten to strike let's go get a raise from the boss or else we're gonna strike and apparently that was disney himself taking a jab and striking animators had to get a specific clown who there is a silhouette of is a specific animator i don't know who i can tell you who oh is it the guy who animated goofy

like he was he was one of the big union leaders i believe, and was always butting heads with him. Oh, okay. Hmm. What a fool. Yeah. Didn't he got his? Dumb. Yeah.

Yikes. Really stuck it to that little guy. Literal clown. Great job, Walt. The movie itself, I realize now holds, like, it's in the same spot in my head that Follow That Bird is, because of the similar things that happen to the characters sad makeup trapped in pages yeah it's like a if a movie that's all the sad bird the blue bird part yeah so yeah dumbo was not in heavy rotation but pan was as a child for sure i loved pan as i think now that i think the issue with all of these i i was okay

with them being around when i was a kid because there weren't that many movies that was way more movies we don't need to do these anymore i'm starting this i got a kid he's not gonna see any of these wow scott's disney could you do you should release your own disney like what do they call the collection from the vault? Like the diamond? What do they call, are they calling it anything anymore? They used to call it the diamond collection, but you should pare it down to what you like in the diamond collection. So you should say, this is out, this is in, this is out, and see how many are left. Sure.

Well, I don't know. If it's, mainly if it's got a, the primary thing if it has a little boy wants to be a little boy forever and my little boy doesn't get to see it i don't want you learning this perversity well so what about but i mean it seems like in the boss baby sequel he's an adult who has to return to being a baby again that's what the trailers have led me to believe the only boss baby content i've really consumed, by the way, is Jane Got Me the Boss Baby cameo for Christmas, where the Boss Baby

wishes you happy holidays. Where it's like, whoosh. It's like the birthday boy's sketch, whoosh. Where it's like a video. I would like to put down the rules for the Scott Diamond Disney collection that you can put Boss Baby into it, even though it's not a Disney movie. So you can add movies to Disney it, even though it's not a Disney movie. So you can add movies to

Disney's Diamond collection despite them not being produced by Disney. Okay, okay. I can still pull them into it. Yeah, because you're the one obviously going through this now with the child where you are going to see these movies and decide. So you can curate your own selection. Yeah. I think I'm less concerned with what's in the vault and more

concerned with the vault itself and making sure that it's unopenable. Okay. You have to get retina scanned and provide a drop of blood. There's got to be so many layers to make sure that you never see Peter Pan. You're describing a nuclear waste site where they put up those signs that are meant to last a thousand years that say, this is not a place of honor. Do not go here what

if it's like school movie day and it's like you didn't catch wind that they were going to show peter pan disney are you going to like pick at the school afterward yeah i think i think i'm throwing a fit as if they were like whatever whatever people do that is reacting to whatever they think critical race theory is right that's I, I don't want critical pan theory taught in schools. Okay. This is my biggest issue as a parent. You'll be at a school board meetings, like crying your eyes out.

Like don't show the children pan. You don't know what it does to them. Little green unitards destroy little brains. Boys shouldn't be lost. Boys shouldn't be lost. Chicago mayor be lost like chicago mayor lori lightfoot you will be going we will not relent on this which is great when you find yourself saying the teachers we will not relent you're the good guy you're definitely the hero of the story yeah always yeah yeah famously villainous teachers yeah the man overpaid yeah they've always have been

uh um okay yeah look it's all out these are these are out um but what what dumbo did succeed in doing i think like i think in the history of of the animation studio it is uh it was a success for its budget it didn't have the issues that fantasia had and the ben i think pinocchio like budget overruns it it worked and i think set up disney for success even though then after dumbo they made all those weird like war compilation movies like that we're not exactly cruising in terms of like quality movies yet but uh interesting fact about dumbo six weeks later pearl harbor is bombed that is the timeline like i you know in the way the history just gets so condensed it didn't occur to me that like oh i was supposed to go see dumbo

today but i'm waiting to hear what the president has to say about the japanese attack on the pearl harbor base well pulled off of the time cover that's the fact about that that the dumbo was supposed to be on the cover of time and then there and then pearl harbor happened and wow replaced by uh general macarthur wow wow yeah um what a time i guess i guess history can't be worse uh and weirder than it is now. So, yeah. Well, anyway, point is, big popular character, when they start conceiving Disneyland, we have to have big popular characters front and center. And this is a big one.

So it's not an opening day attraction because although well now i've seen several things about this it is credited as opening a month later uh august 1955 because uh there were issues with the elephants being too heavy yeah um construction issues i i saw that too. At all the other parks, it is an opening day attraction at Disney World, Tokyo Disneyland, Euro Disneyland, Hong Kong Disneyland, and Shanghai Disneyland. Yeah. Always like a big major opening day thing. I think it was supposed to be for Disneyland. for disneyland i read a little bit of stuff that if you watch the opening day special and i went and checked on this when when the kids are all uh running and almost injuring themselves and everyone around them uh to get to the fantasyland rides in that special apparently dumbo's in it

there was a dumbo one of the most terrifying original costumes, like freak of nature. If you look at that black and white photo, Dumbo apparently runs up like into the direction of the Dumbo ride, but the camera stopped short. They don't show it yet because they were still having trouble. Now, I've also seen that they did attempt to run it on opening day and that it resulted in the ride stopping really quickly and never and people having to be rescued with ladders step ladders come out and it was just a rough month until the thing could actually get going um some of the issue of what happened here and i never knew this till doing all the research that the ears were supposed to flap yes Yes. That's a weird thing. And apparently for a decade or so,

before they did a switch out, the ears still were on a little swivel point. Yeah. If they had figured it out and gotten the mechanism working, the ears could be flapping. But then around the mid-60s, they said, screw it, that's never happening. And they just replaced them with unflappable ears right was then there was no time when they would

like the ears were just like twitching oddly or anything or like they weren't flapping they were just it seemed like something's wrong with them i gotta think i mean dumbo it it's funny because i feel like every generation it's it's so iconic it's kind of glued in every generation but it's changed so many times it's moved locations they've changed the mechanisms they've painted the elephants like they've done all of these changes doubled it yeah there's a lot of different things probably a lot of changes you know considering the simplicity of it um so once they they got rid of the mechanism that made the ears flap, which took the vehicles down from 800 to 700 pounds. So now it's a little easier to get them up in the air. Still a little dicey, apparently, at the beginning.

And still there was a problem that lasted for the first couple years of running it. This is from the Disney History Institute that goes uh that company aero that built a lot of those early rides yeah uh this was an issue that they had when starting to run this thing on the advice of a nasa engineer the aero team used a combination of oil and nitrogen in the hydraulic system for this ride for added power uh when they asked Ed Morgan, one of the owners of Arrow, about this process, he explained that oil and nitrogen combined helped the ride run

and gave it the power that it needed, but it also created a weird foam. Like a foam would bubble up from the center of the ride or under the elephants. I'm not exactly sure where the foam... Anyway, it would run and in front of guests

there would be a weird foam and uh so just again there's there's a photo you can look up i think of this guy one of these classic uh uh you know uh fred mertz kind of guys shortly roll up his sleeve all right uh eddie had to go remove the foam many times per day, sometimes as often as between every ride cycle. Dumbo's down. Got to go take this weird foam, this nitrogen foam out. Wipe the foam off of this elephant. And the arrow people called this process milking Dumbo. That was just part of the reality of Dumbo.

You had to milk him. So it seems like that would suggest it's on his undercarriage somewhere. Yeah, possibly. If it's him. Which is very... I mean, if it's not at that center point, if it's somewhere in the...

Like, if every single Dumbo is sprouting weird foam, and does the foam ever... Because the ride's up in the air, and it's... With spray, yeah. Is it ever... It, is it ever- It's like a Dumbo foam party going on.

Yeah. It does sound fun. If it was out of his trunk, it would be awesome. Oh, sure. Yeah. That would be cool. That would have been a happy accident and they would have just kept that going. Is the foam toxic?

Yes. But- Well, right, yeah. The idea of it is fun. Oil. All the parents standing around, if they're not riding just smoking cigarettes hell some probably smoking cigarettes on the ride uh it's just like foam just like little mini fireworks displays from airborne foam catching fire from like

long lucky strikes long virginia slivs penguin style hunter thompson kind of cigarette holders just causing fires so yeah i mean obviously coming out of the trunk that's that would be good obviously anywhere else probably a little uh a little weird mouth dumbo's rabid not good yeah yeah dumbo's shitting foam not good just confusing i mean upsetting that anything's coming out of his butt, but also what makes you foam at the butt? Not something that you want to happen to you. Some sort of new disease from something that'll happen in a few years, I think. Probably.

That's, well, Deltacron, unfortunately. The combo that we're hearing about. Yeah, yeah. You foam out of your ass. Yeah. Otherwise, unfortunately. Oh, it makes you foam out of your butt. Yeah, you foam out of your ass. Yeah. Otherwise, fine. You actually don't have to social distance anymore. You just might have to apologize for all the foam coming out of your ass.

Excuse me. I have to excuse myself to the bathroom. I'm extra. I'm foamy today. Something a little foamy. I'm going to go milk myself. The weirdest fact about the early days of Dumbo I saw was that because you know there's that kind of Disney rule that like well you can't have five Mickey's or ten Mickey's in one room at

like there's one Mickey but the origin so that idea applied to the original dumbo so there's only one one dumbo so it was gonna the elephants that everyone would ride in you know now 16 was 10 um were painted pink like the hallucination elephants from dumbo's drunken revelry yeah yeah i said because there's many pink elephants yeah in the pink elephants on parade sequence so that they had to justify because there's many pink elephants in the Pink Elephants on Parade sequence, so that they had to justify that. Because again, when they're making up these rules, so you have these rides where Snow White can't be in the Snow White ride, because you're Snow White.

All these things that nobody, they had to learn that nobody's thinking about them. Yeah. They're thinking too hard. Right. about them yeah and they're thinking too hard right um but it makes it an extremely different ride if you if it is part of the um the psychedelic sequence that by the way comes from champagne mixed with water yes slightly champagney water causes dumbo to trip and the mouse too right yeah they're both in on it very much a gag of its time but like as a theme park ride that would last forever like they're like we are essentially like we're

condoning like hey kids when you get a little older you're gonna see the pink elephants you know the pink elephants are more fun than, like, Pleasure Island. The Pink Ele- Yeah, they are. Yeah. They are more fun. But that, I think, I probably mentioned on the Pinocchio episode that Heidi at Old D.D. and Actors Life for me, I think that is actually what Walt thought of Act. Like, you're frivolous.

Well, except for- You're for Kurt Russell, Sam Plachette, Annette. Dean Jones. The Special Six. Yeah, the Special Six. They were their own team, yeah. Yeah. Fred McMurray, right?

He was in one of them. Harvey Korman, no fool. The rest fools. Yeah, yeah. The ride was even going to be called 10 Pink Elephants on Parade. That was the actual title. And I didn't know that they were so committed to this that in the

lead up to disneyland opening i actually didn't know any of this before that they were starting to do the promotional blitz making people aware it's funny just that like there was ever a time now they'll promote a new ride but it's funny that at one point they had to promote disneyland entirely oh yeah hey everyone disneyland is coming. And there was a Thanksgiving parade in Detroit, Michigan, and then the Rose Parade in Pasadena in January 1955. Both of these parades had floats involving pink elephants spinning around. And that was the only ride that they depicted. So this was the main way they

were putting their foot forward come to disneyland where there is a spinning ride based on the pink elephants and then like a uh a trailer that has a scene that then is not in the film you got there and there were no pink elephants it's almost like a curse like i feel like when they were promoting star wars galaxy's edge they're like and we have a groundbreaking brand new ride nothing like it and it's like if you come out with that ride out front like that ride's getting delayed yeah yeah yeah you just can't or all those you know any well that that the harry anderson special where he promotes all those things that never got the entire i don't think one of them it's just like the thing after thing after thing yeah i feel like universal actually made these days have it right where they just

like start building and everyone like pretty much knows what it is but they don't even say it and then like six months before maybe or less they go oh by the way it is that thing you thought it was mm-hmm doing that velocicoaster and uh and Mario, they just sort of don't acknowledge. Yeah, they kind of, I think, at Hollywood have kind of acknowledged. Yeah, they have. There's a Mario now. Construction wall.

They're on the lake coming soon. But for a year or something, it was being built without confirmation. This is what I do in my life to possibly a crazy degree. I try to not speak about anything. That's why I told as few people as i could about the baby let's make sure it happens sure no yeah we have to manage expectations for everything because life is full of uh disappointment and pain

yeah that's just the reality i do think universal is uh i haven't watched it yet but there's that making a velocity coaster that they uploaded to Peacock. Yeah. And it's like, that is smart, because I feel like Disney has scaled back on those kinds of specials. Oh, it's, throw it on. You will really enjoy it. It is, like, wonderfully flat. I say this as a compliment, that it is not, I think Disney now would try to dress it up and do like sketches and a bunch of

crap you don't need and musical numbers it is just like uh you know just people talking just and then we did the mike mario lopez uh being inoffensive i yeah that's great i a lot of parks uh universal did it with i think lost coaster maybe hagrid's but um i think it was holiday world when we were talking about some of the sally dark rides more parks to have started on their youtube channels like strapping a gopro in a ride vehicle and recording the whole ride and putting it up on their own youtube channel and i'm like oh yeah absolutely do that please yeah yeah there's no reason to not, like, spoil. Like, I guess, I think the only rides you wouldn't want to spoil is if there really is a thing at the end where you don't want to reveal how it's done.

Or there's anticipation on that first ride. But if it's a roller coaster ride. Especially roller coaster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, spoilers don't necessarily factor in you guys mario kart fresh are you fresh still i have not watched it i don't know i am not seeing a single frame of video i've seen like a photo accidentally but i have not watched the video i have a boy i've seen the q seen that big bowser but i yeah i don't really know and i imagine you can't capture it very well anyway right given the goggles um but this is i think a big thing about dumbo it's

something that they figured out maybe with this ride more than any is um what you're saying about let's just show the whole ride and post a nice video of it. I think the promotion abilities of just like, I think with Dumbo, they created something Instagrammable before Instagram. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like it's probably the thing that people came back from Disneyland with is a picture of me sitting in Dumbo or my kids sitting in Dumbo or my friends sitting in Dumbo. And then there's, you know, pictures of notable people through the years on it. I think, like, I feel like maybe Dumbo did a lot of heavy lifting. For sure. I mean, it's obviously, and there's some practical reasons for it, just because it it's like it's easy to take a photo of somebody in the ride vehicle when you're outside of it that's part of it yep yes like you would maybe consider the teacups equally iconic a silly thing you get to sit in a big teacup right to sit in an elephant but harder to take photos of yes

you feel more rushed when you're getting on that right thing like it's gonna start moving so i better strap in and then everyone can go on it yeah everyone can go on it yeah yeah yeah and even your biggest scaredy cats can go on it and not make it go up that high yeah yeah um let's talk about that aspect of it because i don't i know i don't know this if other rides of this nature which by the way like my temptation would be to call it a spinner ride yes right there's some things similarly a spinner ride but apparently the term is aerial carousel right a term i will not ever use because it's clunky and uh i don't think even here you feel right i i've the what i want to throw out is the term is round and round it's a round and round oh that's nice oh that's cute aerial carousel is strangely beautiful but it feels like the aerial carousel very elegant it

feels like too much too beautiful too beautiful yeah like baby my baby mine i don't hear it all the time it's a fragile yeah phrase yeah we all got a little wistful just hearing those words. Ariel Carousel. Let's not do that to ourselves. It's a round and round. What was my point? Oh, the ability to control the vehicle. I don't know if Disney did that first or if that was an ability that other rides like this had already.

But I think that's key to its success. The feeling that for a kid, especially that they can control it, they can do it to their liking. And it's not an interactive ride to the degree that other things have been interactive rides, but it does, it does guarantee that you can have a slightly different experience every time

you do it. Yeah. I'm trying to remember, I mean, it was a local park. I'm trying to remember what my first round and around was. But I definitely had the same element of controlling it. And that, yeah, as a kid especially, you're like, wow. Like, this, because you can't drive a car yet.

You know, there's a talk of Tony Beck's where he says the transformational experience of blah, blah, blah. I'm trying to make it sound stupid there. That's not what I meant.axter, he says the transformational experience of blah, blah, blah. I made it look sound stupid there. That's not what I meant. But like driving on the Autopia or something. But like controlling a vehicle and movement is a big deal as a kid because you see adults doing it. So it always felt like I have such power now. Yeah.

Like look the power. I was also scared of it and would often not go very high because I was initially pretty freaked out by this and still kind of a little unnerved going on it, to be honest. Okay. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I guess our relationship with it today is maybe a question. Yeah. How often do you go on Dumbo? Not very often. No. No. Jason? Yeah.

Once in a blue moon, maybe. I think every couple of years I go on it. Yeah couple years yeah i of course went all the way up like dj collett i went all the way up as a kid like i wanted to be a high up you're the hype and i also wanted to be uh the movement of going up and down i wanted to go high up and then i wanted to go back down and then so i'm like i hate to completely derail you on this real quick but i just had a thought that's something i thought of over our last few weeks. If I have a bachelor party in Las Vegas, will you jump off the stratosphere?

Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I think we have to judge what the other activities will be. What do you mean? Like, what else are we doing? Because if we're going to have a big meal right beforehand, I probably wouldn't. But it's going to require some planning, some booking. But you're open to the idea meal right beforehand I probably would well I certainly gonna require some planning yeah yeah but you're open

to the idea I am open to the idea I'm not opposed to the idea okay great that's you have to figure out how many times are gonna watch I lost my M in Vegas the 3d movie at the yeah M&M store when will you so like what making sure that we slot you know minimum three viewings of that right you know if we have time to hit scratch here. I know. I didn't see it last time. I was staying across the street and I considered it.

You have to see it frequently because to see how much it has faded. Yeah. To see how dark the projector is. Right. If you only see it once every five years, it'll be so jarring how much it has gotten dark and blurry. Well, and down the block now there's an actual thing there's the uh fly uh vague i forget what it's called there's a flying

theater attraction like a soaring yeah like a soaring two different shows in there now like in between a target uh underneath an olive garden uh yeah. Yeah, it's the block where it's like, well, the bottom floor of this is a Marshall's and the top floor of this is a Hard Rock Cafe. Like it, I kind of love it. Yeah, that confusing little district. Yeah, it's very confusing, but I kind of love it. Okay, well, good.

Thank you for confirming that. I'll give it some thought. So it depends. You got to carve it out, though. Yeah, that's fine. Obviously, like that would be the highlight of the thing. If Jason jumped off the stratosphere. Well, but it's your thing. Like, I don't, I. Yeah, that's fine. Obviously, that would be the highlight of the thing. If Jason jumped off the stratosphere. Well, but it's your thing.

I mean, if that's what you want. It is what I want. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing would make Mike happier than you doing this. I would need to get trial contacts because I want to be able to have crystal clear vision for it. So you have a rider. Huh?

You have a rider for this. Well, I'm just talking about the prep I have to do. I see, I see. Don't you think either way you'll be up there and wind is just flapping like crazy? I feel like vision's gonna be tough no matter what. If you think it's... I don't wanna talk you out of it.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I would definitely pay the upcharge for the like, we're gonna strap a camera to you. Wow. and so you get the video oh we need that for content we need that a hundred can we do a live show at the top maybe it's not for the bachelor party maybe it's like a live show at the top of the stratosphere and then at the end of it as you jump off there's all well see uh i i think you're you're getting hat on a hat territory yeah i think okay i would think I would need time to prepare. That's what the stress cure is, though, is a hat on a hat.

It is true. A ride on top of a hat-like shape. There's also all those rides up there. That's true, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll talk about it. Yeah.

But you were a kid who cranked the thing up as a child. Oh, yeah. And there was also multiple knockoffs at the Jersey jersey sure either elephants or spaceships or whatever so like yeah i think i was maybe and maybe continue to be a uh up and down like probably primary i make my round and round and up and down i uh i like i don't think i want to just go straight to the top and stay there i think like the back and forth is fun but maybe you don't go all the way down it takes a little bit and it's 90 seconds. You only every every second counts.

So I don't want to waste time all the way on the bottom. And then you got to consider, I think Dumbo is pretty smooth, but other rides of this nature, you could get kind of stuck. Like if the mechanism isn't great, like on the weird Elmo one, I went to SeaWorld. If it's not that responsive, maybe you do just want to stay all the way up at the top. Yeah, there would be. That's interesting because I do have a memory, and I don't know where it's from again,

of like where you would try to push it up, and it would take about five seconds for it to respond. And then that would like really throw me as far as, because like if I got too scared, then it would take a couple seconds to come down. And that felt like the longest ride possible. A problem i think i have and even when i say i'm unnerved by it now i'm not like that unnerved by it but it's on an angle and there's still part of me and maybe it's because i'm kind of tall that makes me feel like since it's on an angle

a little bump because it's bumpy it's not the most smooth ride still like i feel like i could fly out of it a little bit there's still a feeling of being a little prone like a little bit you know there's a seat belt on it but especially when you're up the highest you're kind of tilted toward the ground so if you're on the inside of dumbo it's like i'm leaning you can feel your like gravity taking your body a little bit so that's the only reason i say sometimes i feel a little bit unnerved being in it and maybe that's why i don't go on it all the time also i don't it's for mostly for children sure there are incidents of like you know the arms cracking or like stuff cry everyone just kind of scrapes and bruises and you know checked out and then went about their business you know well but that not with the new that's like that's why they replaced it entirely yeah is that there were two incidents in a short amount

of time so it was i think the same one from 55 to 83 when they redid all of fantasyland then same one from 83 to 89 and then there was an accident and and then another accident in 90 which was the arm snap and clean off yeah and that's an accident you don't really come back from right and so they figured maybe we need to have a new dumbo entirely and in a very rare circumstance i can't imagine when this would ever happen again they had a spare they literally they had a beautiful more innate spare a better one a better one built for euro disney but that was going way ahead of time yeah yeah they were so early on that so it was just sitting around so they just patched in this new dumbo and made a second one for for euro yeah and they uh water water features have been added over the years.

For a long time, the Magic Kingdom did not have the water, you know, fountains didn't have the water effects because the utilidors were underneath, so they couldn't run pipes. And then when they moved Dumbo in the early 2010s, they were able to match it to all the others. Oh, was that part of moving it was to be in a spot where you could have water i well i think and of course they duplicated it in florida yeah so florida there's a little more to do they'll say this just before

getting to the florida one i think some of what stops me from going on the disneyland version is very long line without a lot going on now they put some shade in it's a little better than it was but still it's like a great thing to do with no line which is why the last time i did it was in horrible rain when the park was kind of clearing out but i had night it was ended up being awful i got so soaked so soaked waiting for it and then it's building up water inside it was pretty crazy i wouldn't recommend it um but it's one of those i kind of only do with no with no yes that's yes though i'm trying to think the last i think the last time we went on was midnight walked by it hey yeah that's a good that's how you do it that's like

that dumbo as an as a childless adult you go on Dumbo when you walk by and you go, hey, no line. Yeah. That's like the only time you do it. Yeah, because you know what it is. Nothing about this experience is going to surprise you. And you can get upwards of half an hour wait on this thing. I would say maybe way more, depending on the day.

Right. weight on this thing i would be way more i don't know depending on the day right um so that's the big obstacle for me getting on it and probably for other people which is why in florida they've re-thought how lines work like was this the first example of a virtual queue or at least one that the first one disney yeah modern day disney virtual queue well this yeah this was in 2012 it opened as part of their you know fantasy land redo it's right around the time of the rise of like interactive queues which only lasted a few years before they're like all right everyone's got a phone distract put stuff on their phones um uh i i was down there in the summer of 2012 and didn't fully know what they had done i knew they moved it and doubled it but then like was very impressed

and shocked by like the the play area and the the chili's beeper oh yeah which is what it is a the actual thing is a it's like a ticket and like you've been invited to see Dumbo's performance. He's about to go on and it is a ticket does am I correct that Timothy the mouse talks to you from the

beeper or is it just a beep? I think it just vibrates when you're like like when your table's ready i think i saw a video where it's like maybe they have not kept this up but where i think that they're i think the intent was that there's a little timothy sound clip maybe they don't maybe they just uh they bought access from the cheesecake factory yeah my my memory that it vibrates but there was an announcement so there's this big and this is where i was referring to like the circus stuff comes into play because there was a massive indoor play area

and there was an announcement there in a video i watched where he's like hello circus performers and it's like wait we're performers now okay okay children are this oh okay like you're not necessarily you if you're crawling around in the in the nets if you're going up and doing little aerial tricks i think that is meant to be well so you're like the the parents are the are like along the wall maybe having a sit but the kids are the acrobats i think is the notion there wow that's now i say this having watched a video about it you went there in person and their subtext was maybe not conveyed which is a frequent issue i

think it was like 10 30 at night and it was reasonably empty so i was just kind of like oh this is smart kids love play areas and watching the video back i was like are there kids who are just like i don't really care about riding the ride again i just want to go back to that play area and climb around yeah probably probably yeah it seems like a good one there's that building on fire which i don't like in the context of it's gonna hurt dumbo yeah but i like it in the context of a thing for kids to do there's clown firefighters there's jumbo spinning around the ceiling flying flying around the ceiling. Good with that. Yeah. It seems nice. It seems like they did a good job

without a mega budget, I bet. And creating a little experience that you get to have that's fun and fills up the time instead of you're just doing back and forth and back and forth and seeing nothing. And then there's two Dumbo. I think that's pretty cool why would sure there only need to be one i feel like if there were not an issue of space in

disneyland or all of them you know they should do it in all of them it's try it's trying to yeah and they successfully did it in four other because they have room in disney world to do it out here they've changed the queue recently to make it a little nicer but there's no room to do something major with it right they demolish all of mickey's toontown fair that's where a lot of this is on top of now right yes right right in florida yes um but yeah there's not a lot of room unless they were to move dumbo to like toontown but that's a construction war zone right now yeah which probably doesn't make sense to do it either but i guess they were trying they probably i'm trying to think like they all the other like iconic disney rides i guess other than teacups have a lot more themed of a line of a themed experience feeling like you're walking through

it versus yeah what you're saying dumbo is just like switchback switchback and can be very long yeah and sucks a little of the magic out of it probably waiting well alice is like that too but a very satisfying ride at the end yeah that's true yeah that's true yeah yeah you got nothing there the other ones that you at least have a little indoor you get to right like you know peaks of the dungeon you go in their little house kind of first before yeah that kind of keeps you in it motivated yeah right you need to be motivated al is probably one of the best uh classic disney movies holds up as a movie beautiful or you have no problem with that yeah when we did the episode i was like oh i loved alice in wonderland as a kid like i completely

forgot how much i liked it or loved it i think it's what part of why you could maybe just bail on dumbo entirely because i think there's better like psychedelic trippy animation in alice and uh heffalumps and woozles i will say i'm a big heffalumps and woozles fan what about like a disney movie that sort of retcons out the original version so it's like dumbo teams up with peter pan team so like any of the movies you don't like you take the character out and you combine them into like a team-up movie where it's just fun. As I said, I like Dumbo. So, yeah, I mean, Dumbo, like I think, look,

Peter Pan needs a wardrobe change. Okay, fine. That's what can happen in this version. He needs an attitude change. What do you dress Peter Pan up in this version, this hypothetical version? What's he wearing? Just a suit. Okay.

Just a suit. All right. He can wear, that's, my problem with Hook okay suit all right he can wear that's my problem with hook is that i think he had it right to begin with uh he shouldn't have missed his kids baseball games and everything but he was dressed appropriately for his age i don't want to see robin in the in the unitard it's yelling bangerang i think he uh he he should have combined aspects of his adult life uh with his former free spirit so yeah dress uh peter pan should be dressed like uh banning oh you got your wish but it's one of those suits they wear in hawaii where the pants are very short

or it's a little shorts goes with a blazer blue blazer compromise you have to yeah you got it that's a good compromise i guess i can manage that i'd have to see it on paper but like magna pi's friend she was always wearing the suits i feel like i like that yes yeah again why no why am i more i'm like i'm more okay with it on a 70 year old man than on a child well as on this podcast we're more comfortable with anything on a 70 year old man yeah that's just the more comfortable when talking about 70 yes um i where were we besides the stuff expendables team i don't characters i i don't want to just be cynical for the sake of being cynical but i i was like wracking my brain of like why didn't they do more cues like this for like kids rides and stuff where it's like you wait in a play area and

they call you when it's your turn and all i could come up with was like well it was probably a little expensive and then also they couldn't figure out a way to monetize it you know they couldn't scale it to like what can we add on to this you know the answer obviously is to do what restaurants do and have the buzzers feature ads for local real estate agents the way things are going at disney right now i wouldn't some lady in a blazer with houses in la mirada they they've they've been cutting some corners on things a little bit yeah yeah if old bobby uh can get a couple more dollars. A lot of space here.

Yeah. Now, there's something. I knew about none of this. I don't know if you guys did at all. What has happened where there's the, it's called the Storybook Circus area. Yes. The new, the little Dumbo zone in Florida now. There was talk in the mid-70s of a Dumbo-specific area that was the plan of Tony Baxter.

Do you guys know about this? I think, wait, maybe I don't. Keep going. Dumbo's Circus Land was the notion here. And as part of the whole big reroute that he wanted to do with discovery bay he i'm trying to think of the he basically like tony was so up on all of the expansion pads i feel like he you know he wanted to do stuff in what became galaxy's edge and that's that's what discovery Bay would have been and he also

was trying to do this little Dumbo area in what became Videopolis and then Fantasyland Theater and a little bit of Toontown um basically the idea here was that Fantasyland is where the cartoon characters live, the classic cartoons, but shouldn't those mostly be regal? Doesn't it make the most sense when that space is devoted to princesses and King Arthur and all that? So what if we separate the Fantasyland ideas and kind of all the random characters

who don't make sense in in a kingdom now they just you know now they've just said fuck all with all that and winnie the pooh is just in fantasyland and magic kingdom that doesn't match at all um but the tony with his uh wanting to make everything themed of course he was going to build this little area kind of it's as i said like videopolis small world and it would have been a circus where so they would have moved dumbo that's part of it right and then a what was the ride called uh um the circus disney is the name of it and it would have been a ride where all kind of all of the characters they aren't using are part of the circus so suddenly like baloo baloo is not really anywhere in the parks

particularly so he's in this all the bears bongo all these things that we don't really they aren't trying to service bongo so this is like toontown before toontown essentially all the whimsical toon characters are in one spot hanging out yeah yeah yeah um and yeah and to that end another thing would have been a mickey attraction that would have been black and white and the vibe of the old slapstick uh mayhem kind of silent peony like a ride that is taking you into the early Mickey movies and that would have been a wild mouse in the dark

save for clips of the old movies so it's like a crazy hijinks you know like the little stunts that Mickey's doing in the early days but where you wouldn't have known where any drop is coming right a la space mountain

called mickey's madhouse whoa yeah that's pretty good it is good they've essentially done this with the joker we've come across this in terms of batman rides um but joker a person who makes sense to have a madhouse or be stuck in one right though um they would have had to change the name of that i think at this point but it's a fun sounding thing um yeah no it sounds yeah it sounds like a it and that also sounds like kind of like runaway railway it's like all this stuff is sort of precursor ideas they ended up with like now there is a circus tent thing it It's just not this full circus ride, but that notion of separating the circus and having a circus zone, they did a crazy early Mickey vibe attraction. They did.

One thing they didn't do though, they were basically like, so he, Tony also wanted a way to the, you could walk around the corner and get to that area, or he wanted there to be a way that ties together Discovery Bay with its inventors and Jules Verne and all that with the circus area. So he wanted to do something called Professor Marvel's Balloon Descent,

and this was a little hot air balloon ride that's a ride in and of itself, but it's also like a second skyway, basically, that takes you up over a hill and gets you into this circus zone. But Professor Marvel is a Wizard of Oz thing. One of these Tony, you know, I feel like he was pushing for something Oz related, and then there's the James Franco movie,

and maybe this is the chance, and there's still no Oz. Anyway, there's kind of a famous photo of Tony working on the model of Discovery Bay. You might recognize this picture. Oh, I've seen that, yeah. And where his hands are

and what he's working on is this thing. I just don't know how I missed this for so long, but there you see balloons and you see a new location of Dumbo and circus tents. Yeah.

It's a little modest zone and i missed this picture it looks familiar but yeah i didn't realize that's what this is there's also i'm looking at it it says there was an unnamed pinocchio attraction which was a predecessor to during journey that would have included stromboli's theater in the queue where guests could watch puppet performances while waiting to board and who doesn't love that yes yes malicious puppet performances where there's yeah a vibe there's something something off about this uh why does this puppet theater uh smell why do i hear people screaming in the back mm-hmm tony said we got they were pumping in secondhand so smoke the whole, too. That was going to make it more authentic to the film.

But yeah, there's a lot of these interesting photos here. They all look very cool. I am imagining modern day height of summer holiday crowds trying to navigate some of these pathways. Oh, yeah, sure. Thinking about the scale of some of these. It wouldn't have been an easy way to do it but as a kid i would always feel you'd always get an extra thrill when you would see a character that was newer or more um yeah i guess just newer or fresher from a movie immediately so it would be nice to have something and not that this would be it but like circus disney or something where

you're like all the characters are here that aren't in other rides because I want to see all of them. And that's what Marvel, that's what you got to give Marvel credit for, for their land is because like, they got like weird, like Loki comes out

like a day after the show premieres. Loki in multiple outfits. Multiple outfits, multiple versions of Loki, the one in the jumpsuit, the regular one. Yeah. So like as a kid, that would be so thrilling shang chi the eternals hawk like everyone yes it seems like that's so so just having a spot in disney to like park people without rides would like still they still need to kind of do that obviously like walk around characters is

the easiest way but sure a ride a permanent ride to like if robin who was in the park we want to see robin hood yeah you know we did he would have ended up in this yes exactly yeah oh yeah we we met robin we met robin hood and the whole gang back in the big thunder ranch area um but they're not geez brag well have you never have you ever seen robin? It's very exciting. Yeah. I guess they don't send Robin Hood. And you had a Hawkeye. You had a Target shirt on.

We'll probably talk about this before we go. The David Aja Hawkeye logo. Years before the show came out. Years before it inspired the show. I like the comic book. And they were doing like gags of like shooting arrow, like Target. I'm going to shoot an arrow at that. And I was confused at their bit because they were like pointing at like like target i'm gonna shoot an arrow and i was confused at their

bit because they were like pointing at like robin was gonna shoot me and i was like oh wait what and then he like grabbed me and like was positioning me and i was like what is he talking and i went oh i have a target on my shirt yeah oh you forgot what you were wearing i forgot what i was wearing and yes we all do um so robin hood was gonna shoot you he was gonna kill me yeah robin hood was threatening to kill me and i loved it i can't send him out yeah i guess that's true to arrow people um so yeah that's a that's a cool never built yeah that yeah i never knew about that zone i would love to see like all the artwork that exists if that area was around it might be feel a little out of date now.

Or maybe they would have done something to it. But you look at those balloons. It would have felt so 70s. It would have felt like 70s knots. Which is a compliment to me. There's a vibe to 70s knots. That is what is attractive. I think at Disneyland specifically, it would have been changed already, I'm guessing, to not have that vibe.

Disney World, all bets are off but disneyland i think would have been changed i love you said tony bexar is always up on the plots of land and he still obviously was when we interviewed him two years ago implied all these zones and was was he implying the weird stuff they're thinking about now that's what i have every parcel of land every parking lot did we talk about that already probably we did but we might have made that connection there's the disney expansion loose plans that we don't even know what the status of that well i gotta know disneyland forward i signed up for every possible email like update on it um that anyone could do but they were like mainly uh eyeing like anaheim

residents uh and it was like update on disneyland forward we have an exciting presentation i was like oh yeah here we go and it was just that we're going to do a digital screening of the first episode of a show we call the imagineering story and i'm like are you kidding me like you just like log into this like zoom or this live chat to watch the first episode of a show that you have on your streaming service and probably upload it to youtube for free or something like what what is this anaheim hasn't voted real quick the disneyland forward thing is they put out this big like hypothetical map of a major expansion of both disneyland and california venture but basically they were just putting it together to tell anaheim just give us blanket approval to make whatever we want on the land

we own so it can be a hotel it can be a ride it can be whatever we want yeah like they they own the land they can kind of do whatever they want but they need to get the zoning tweaked yes exactly because they don't have necessarily this parts next to the hotel aren't zoned for a theme park yet so they just want anaheim to sign off on all of it but they haven't even voted on that right i don't think so and it also like those were real blue sky plan because like it's a little insane where it's like okay so it were both parks would now wrap around the disneyland hotel there'd be bridges going over the roads and like here there was little doodles if you squint lights it's like is that avatar is that wakanda yeah i love it rides everywhere i love it too using mishmash

why is that hotel sticking out of the middle of a theme park yeah so it's certainly um for it's new i've never considered like uh this but it's also like oh okay are you saying you don't think it's going to happen well no it's gonna happen in some form but if they build if they did everything in that concept art it's like this is the most densely well didn't they say it was like we'll complete all this by like 2050 or something wasn't it like some crazy long timeline probably like at least a 10 or 20 year plan because there was also like we're going to build disney springs on top of a parking right and we really we got very excited the idea of gideon's being built oh sure and yeah jock lindsey's and yeah everything so now you're you're excited about possibly a bakery that might be closer to where you live but still still a big

drive where then you go and wait in a two-hour line that's right perhaps longer thrilled in like uh 18 years at like at least when i'm in my late 60s i well i'm gonna be so excited to wait in a line when i when i will be at a point where they're like you really should not be eating these cookies your body does not agree with this mr sheridan you cannot go to this gideons one more time your next gideons will kill you your doctor is calling you over and over again i know where you are i heard about where you are there's a surveillance thing now there's a weird doctor surveillance yeah someone someone is scanning the line yeah daily now there's like a heli like a futuristic helicopter trying to get Jason, too.

The doctor has sent like a retrieval helicopter to get him from the Gideon's line. Jason has our laser gun shooting at the... It's the far future, folks. It's the far future, yeah. He's shooting at the doctor's helicopter. Now you get deployed in a Seinfeld-esque manner where uh kramer can't go to the oh right right the grocery store anymore well right because they're not monitoring yeah so it's like in the future you have to have a certain like blood glucose level or like blood pressure to be

able to purchase cookies that's how the future is so jason's is off the charts mine is still a little more manageable at the time that's the future michelle obama wants exactly i will not eat your healthy snacks and don't you teach my kids that right uh so so i have to go purchase them now generally um the future they monitor you eating you have to when you purchase it it makes it like ties it to your social security number and then the sort of implants you have in your stomach it registers to make sure that's the food you're eating but jason i have to figure some way out i have to like regurgitate the cookie into his mouth taking a very blade runner william gibson this is a cyber sci-fi universe cyber future tour

this is the future this is when dis Disney has completed their Disneyland forward. Mike's 300-page graphic novel, Gideon's 2062, that ends with me throwing up some cookies into Jason's mouth in our older age. It's beautiful. People are reading the graphic novel thinking, I don't know where this is going, but the artwork is so good. This could be the next Dune. This looks fantastic.

And then they get to the last page and it's blah. Is this about two older men exchanging ground up? Look, this is what Joe Rogan's warning is against. That's all I'm saying. This is what his daily warning is. His cookie regurgitation scenario uh um anything anything left i i have i have just a little like i think maybe one one thing to mention about dumbo is the uh as we we talked about we did an episode about the skyway a while back and uh the skywayets being among the most desirable auction items. Yeah, yeah.

And probably, maybe number one, again, could be neck and neck with Mad Tea Party, having a teacup. But I don't know, it probably is Dumba. I would think the one that you'd most want to own. I think so. Yeah. So $30,000 mentioned for a long time ago. Yeah, a long time ago yeah at this point a long time ago i i looked up the the most at least recent at least that i'm aware of big public sale of a uh uh of a dumbo which is

that the that's from disneyland gallery where we did a show uh with with old richard craft who we know um richard craft i think in the early 90s um before his agent career had taken off uh so he did not have the money to do this he had to like he was at an auction knowing what his cap was it went way past the cap uh bought it bought a dumbo uh for 35 000 kept going higher and higher and higher with a bidder on a phone who was rumored to possibly be Michael Jackson. Kraft stuck it out. He got it. Years later, does the gallery in the Abandoned Sports Authority,

sets the price at $150K, ends up going for $483K. Jeez Louise. From a $35,000. Lord. And that is one item that was sold at that do we know who bought it i don't think we don't know mystery buyer michael jackson from beyond the grave maybe michael jackson you know he celebrated by doing the thriller dance uh we do know that john stamos owns one the other major right disney collector there's this was this was i think also from the

those specials that they were doing yeah where in early zoom years uh years i think that's that's correct yes early in early uh early pandemic zoom years uh so big celebrities would make a point i think of like let me choose the most plain room in my house to do this thing and pretend that i'm a normal human being john stamos is on a disney special he's like i'm gonna show the elephant i gotta show up an elephant and if you had an elephant why wouldn't you yeah i wonder how much could you get like like a nick offerman to build that for you or something like maybe not even a non-sale like how much could you actually just have somebody fabricate one hmm 10 grand fiberglass yeah i don't know that's a tough thing 20 grand i think yeah maybe that's too tough pretty specialized but then don't it isn't some of the appeal that

oh of course the money was well then it was there like this was in the park yeah for sure it is i'm just saying like if you wanted to at least have the vibe yeah maybe yeah you could still get it for a normal crazy amount of money not an insane crazy amount of money um you're a fiberglass artisan yeah big scale let us know if you do giant fiberglass sculpt how many fiberglass artisans are there in the audience because maybe so are there podcasts for you are there podcasts that are all about sculpting fiberglass? Oh, there's got to be. I hope there are. That's interesting. That's an interesting thing because we've talked about what piece we would want to own

from the parks. But if the option was just have somebody build one for us, that would be a hell of a lot cheaper. And if you could have somebody build you an original Rex, that would cost one twentieth of the... I guess I don't need to know that it was actually from the parks yeah um but it'd have to be so good though right i think i i worry you'd be able to tell it's got to be just perfectly yeah i mean we met on the in the last that um

80s night lindsey and i went to we got to take a photo up close with Rex. Very exciting. Bragging again. Yeah. So sorry. Sometimes I have to drop the names. I have a couple of things as we wrap up. The one big historical anecdote I kept saying about this ride was that Harry Truman, when visiting the park, refused to ride this ride as the elephant. It's a symbol of the Republican Party.

He was a Democrat. Took a stand. Would not ride the elephant ride. a symbol of the republican party he was a democrat took a stand would not ride the elephant ride dropped two atomic bombs on japan but he took a stand on this one that could sully his whole legacy could have sully his whole legacy man who bombed cities in a horrific way there was also uh the disney parks blog which i used to update a lot more in the 2010s um had like an anniversary post about Dumbo. And I just saw this very funny comment on it. Dumbo ride is certainly a favorite.

We are Disneyland regulars. After about 15 years ago, my then three-year-old nephew was so excited to choose his Dumbo that he didn't see another child run into him accidentally bumping him into the water of the ride fortunately a good samaritan jumped the fence and fished martin out by his collar thanks go out to that man and everyone else who saved the day every time we pass the dumbo ride now we recall how nice everyone was that day oh now a couple things going on there uh one that's about a foot of water under that ride and two man if you're gonna hop the fence get in the water why are you fishing them out like a stray cat where are you picking them up the collar

yeah you can grab them just grabbing the kit like come here you like grab up from the collar? Yeah, you can grab him. Just grabbing the kid, like, come here. Like, grab him by the scruff. I'm going fishing. Yeah, wow. I've never seen anything like that happen. No, that's pretty dramatic. Did I say on the podcast that I saw a kid lose a tooth on the Incredicoaster? I don't think so.

This is very dramatic. I was there solo a couple months ago and i was in the single rider line so i was on like the other side and i'm not where you normally load from but uh uh so i'm watching people get off and there's a a kid just like screaming bloody murder uh and and like clearly bleeding from the mouth it was really like what happened here oh my god and then it turned out it was a tooth miss and watching a dad go and scramble like, clearly bleeding from the mouth. It was really like, what happened here? Oh, my God. And then it turned out it was a tooth. And watching a dad go and scramble and, like, Hulk, stop, stop.

And, like, they wouldn't let them let the train go because, like, we have to find the tooth. Wait, so you were waiting to launch? I wasn't on the ride yet. I was waiting to be called up to go on the elevator and and go around and i'm watching this uh very dramatic situation oh wow i watched the mother be called it's like oh no ah it was like boy there was a height for five minutes like this is one of the craziest disney I've ever seen. There are little plays

that happen all during the day especially when you're an older gentleman going alone. Nothing to do but watch when you don't have to watch your own. I did almost the exact same solo Disney day last year back when things were a little better where I think I went to

California Adventure I drank a beer, I went on Incredicoaster. I did some work on my computer. I went back to the Marvel area. Incredicoaster. Drank a beer as well. Went to Guardians and then went home. Just sort of chilled out and did a little work.

But I saw the craziest child crying and their parents trying to force them to go on the Guardians Tower. No. And I've seen this happen a couple times, but never this dramatic. crying and their parents trying to force them to go on tower of terror the guardians tower no and i've seen this happen a couple times but never this dramatic and what you're saying like this was just a scene and it was the same thing where you were like this i what am i watching here this child is going to lose their mind and these parents are not allowing this child to get out of this and an employee had to come up and tell them like you can just switch you can do a child switch basically and they had to be talked into it they refused it was not they no we need you i couldn't believe this this child was melting down and as a child who didn't melt

down but wanted to is it like you know and and melted down recently in a in a a escape room situation uh i felt felt for the kid um but like it happens a lot when you're especially with not with anyone where you're just noticing like this something scary playing out basically this is crazy yeah dairy they should be taken away disney should have taken the kid away well i felt like being like you should get is the property of away disney should have taken the kid away well i felt like being like you should get is the property of the disney company you want to get out here i'm not to live with me i'm just saying i'll help with help with the situation because these parents are being assholes i also can't what i i can't like look i'm i'm i'm new to this and i'm new to

tantrum tantrum is very new for uh for my kid in the last month or so we're heading to the two-year-old point uh it's just they make it so unpleasant when they you're trying to get them to do something that they don't want to do that so far it has been like oh come on you want to okay all right screw it here give them the give them the thing you want so take them out of here i mean we're we have about like uh it's it's a it's a one exchange we got about five seconds in us before we just relent yeah i it's hard for me to imagine you are going to go up you're getting in the tower that lightning is hitting that's full of ghosts and screams yeah it's like like or uh pat benn's hit me with your best shot it's gonna play

loudly yeah and traumatize that one yeah it's a less scary one but that doesn't make it you're gonna go up into this tower and appreciate some loud classic rock and that's how it is now look i can get behind that logic but yeah if it was like pinocchio or something okay yes i could go look oh the kid probably won't be so scared maybe and you know this is a kid who gets a little scared and then like is okay on the ride that's a phenomenon but that was not the case with this child yeah this child was crying at a hundred from the time we got loaded into the numbers and i was like no what do we what please and like employees negotiating with the parents

and maybe they didn't understand what they were talking about i don't know but it was like and they had like two there were two parents there were a couple kids so it was like one of the parents cannot go on it i hate being i hate being that part like adult being like you don't need to go on this you're an adult and then be like well what's your problem pal who are you with i'm alone yeah i'm just doing some work down here yeah it's a little hard to like pull a child screaming that much like all right let's do the halt method you know are you hungry angry lonely or tired what is it pal you know the kid could talk also it was not like a two-year-old no but i mean scott you can take some comfort in

the fact that they call it the terrific twos right oh yeah oh boy that's the unified universal term applied they call it that's true uh yeah i can't wait yeah yeah from recent implications that'll be a it'll be a terrific year uh uh anything else before we go out i i've got a little i've just got some photos of some some dignitaries who've been on the attraction. Mike, were you heading somewhere? I was just going to say, did it ever, and I think it did a little bit bother me as a kid. Did you ever think about it that you're inside the animal and not on top of it? Ah.

Hmm. Yeah. So what happened here? Was he like a big chunk was carved out of him yeah i'm not saying it was like oh i was so preoccupied with it as a kid i was not but it was a little bit like oh we should be on top of dumbo not inside dumbo well the ride doesn't necessarily hold up under a narrative no scope that might be true no and i guess it should be like they should have built something on top of dumbo for you to sit in.

But that would have made it a bit heavier. So I understand why we're just like sitting in a hollowed out carcass of Dumbo. Dumbo and his 15 brothers have all been strapped to poles and scraped of their internal organs. But not their brain, so they can still understand what's happening to them. Anyway, get inside him. There's future technology that has condensed their entire body into a tiny little ball,

and it can be held in their neck now. So Dumbo is alive, okay, because this is the future. Everything he needs is packed into his head. This is the future. They've condensed it, and now he can still be happy. He loves it. But he is connected to a big rod, and you can sit inside where his organs used to be. But he likes it.

He loves it. He's got a big smile on his face. Don't you see? Yeah. And depending on where you're going on this ride, his mouse friend is holding a whip. In some places, it's not a whip anymore it became a feather but if there is a whip don't worry the mouse is small and the whip is smaller so and their friend they're friendly he's probably not going to use it yeah it's just there as a

reminder so not pleasurable it's you know you expect yeah it's a symbol of like oh animals and circus it's not practical though but it needs to communicate something so it's either it's soft or he'll use it softly i assume he just like drapes it and rubs it that's uh don't worry about dumbo and his clones yes it's the future and he's been cloned oh this is a dark this is a dark ride it is a dark really really quick just i was like there's got to be fun pictures of people you wouldn't expect oh right going on dumbo here's the the most most interesting ones i've found here's here's old kevin costner and this is kind of where you know again you're you're a sitting duck when you're on that ride other celebrities can sneak in and out of Disneyland rides,

but there people are going to see you. I mean, some of these are posed photos. But I also read that's some of the appeal of, I think Walt talked to a carnival person, a guy who did a park called Kitty Land that used to be where the Beverly Center is now. And his thing was the rides should advertise themselves. If you have a ride where there's

people on display having a good time that's going to make people want to go have a good time. So again, just the photo op and the tableau I think is important with this ride. So look, Costner's having a great time. Christian Bale's having a good time. We're going to see him at Disneyland, right?

Like he's not a cameo machine. It's nice to see him out of that. But was, you know, has been part of the Disney family before. No, a newsie. Yes, indeed. And he's coming back. He's in a new Thor. Oh, I didn't know that.

Tim Tebow is Tebow. Oh, sure. There's Chicago Mayor Richard Daly. What's the deal with Richard Daly? Is he a good guy? They're all corrupt. Oh, yeah, sure. It's a mixed bag.

Here in the early 80s, Michael Jackson on the Dumbo attraction. And then some 30 years later, Dr. Conrad Murray, the man. What? Jesus Christ. Ultimately involved in ultimately involved i don't know i think this is this might have been it's credited to some this might have been a paparazzi situation i don't think that conrad murray proudly like brought a private photographer um well i think he was getting out his like last a couple jollies because six months later he was convicted okay so it's after the thing there was i think it was between i think trial was going on

god he would he would be in jail within six months of this photograph that's really bizarre isn't that a real that's a you know time goes round and round and i was wondering like which who does scott have in here because he's gonna have a really good one that I don't know it's going to be her is it like and that really I would not stars from Kevin Costner to Conrad Murray I would not have bet that well Kissinger and Ted Kaczynski in the

same car who would have thought the same element so look around you the next time you're on Dumbo you never know if you'll spot one of the greatest pop stars of all time or a man who will be responsible for the demise of one of the greatest pop stars. Gee whiz. Gee whiz.

What an end to the Dumbo episode. Yeah, so hey, after on the note of Dr. Conrad Murray. It's a weird photo too. Like, I don't know. How can it not be a weird photo yeah what is a normal photograph of this uh doctor convicted of manslaughter um well hey on that note you survived the first podcast the ride of 2022 um more fun to come more uh criminally convicted doctors to come probably uh that's what we're okay yeah more uh conrad murray talk more brian setzer talk how can we get you

salivating for what else is to come this year yeah oh i want to say that i bought a bought a package of hot dogs jason. Nice. First time in, other than when we tried to make the Ronto wraps. I didn't buy a hot dog. There was like a sausage, but I just, I thought of Jason. I went, you know what? This is my every couple of years.

I go, I buy hot dogs as often as I go on Dumbo. Wow. And I did buy, they were like Boar's Head. Oh. They're in the hot dog game? That's a name you can trust. Yeah.

They're in the hot dog game. So I name you can trust yeah they're in the hot dog game so uh i did do that did anything particularly inspire you uh it was one of those situations where i was hungry and for some reason i was doing stuff i just don't normally do i don't normally buy ice cream i bought ice cream maybe it's because of maybe the world i don't know what's affecting me exactly but i was like this big break we've had you're maybe the big break you're craving jason that might be it suddenly you're buying jason's ice cream i got i got hot dogs maybe i haven't yeah i haven't heard jason talk in a while so that's it oh i missed you too i was i went back east to see family and immediately put on five pounds eating eating immediately yeah like the first day the holidays yeah yeah jason missed mike so much he bought the 20 expensive ninja turtles

and ate them there's your pounds right there it is i have been racking my brain for the last few days because they're marvel has a deal right now where they're unlimited per the marvel unlimited where you get digital access to oh yeah that shadow kit figure you get a welcome kit and i was like okay it's marked down to 70 for the year's subscription and you get this welcome kit could i i did a very mike math of like if i get it could i flip the welcome kit for $70? The answer is yes, you can.

Probably. The answer is yeah, probably. But it is a cool Kitty Pryde action figure. It is cool, but I have some complaints, but we'll see. Well,

there's a more traditional Kitty Pryde from Excalibur toy that just came out that I do have as well. Oh, I like that. She's got the more blue outfit, not the kind of normal X-Men outfit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

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