Podcast: The Ride - Fake Office Final Four

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

The office. A work area. A room to get things done. A place to look at before you get on a ride? YES. Think about it.  As you walk in fits and starts through the queue of your favorite attraction, there will often be an office. A place where the ride characters do paperwork, pay bills and store a lot of their shit. What makes a good one? Which fake office is best? And which office would help make doing taxes a little more tolerable because there’s something dumb on the wall. Today on Podcast The Ride, we roll up our sleeves, sit down at our desks and decide once and for all, which fake offices deserve to be crumpled up and thrown in a wastebasket and which deserve elite Dunder Mifflin esque status. "The Rules: Fake Office Final Four " episode is up at: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forever! Dog! Spaceships, mountains, fairy tale kingdoms. Theme park creators can take us to these places without even breaking a sweat. Who cares? Our question? What craftsmen, what artisans could dare to show us a desk, a cup full of pens, a little plant,

to shine a light on our actual day-to-day work lives via a little lamp. Then glue that lamp to a desk so guests can't steal the lamp. If you're listening to this episode at the office, prepare to be transported to a bunch of different offices which are fake. It's the Fake Office Final Four on Podcast The Ride. Welcome to the phony workplace war zone, the ultimate debate of deceitful desk dominance. It's the fake office final four here on Podcast The Ride. I'm Scott Gairdner, joined by Mike Carlson. Hello there, yes, and I am rocked and ready to go. I am rock hard.

Excuse me, I meant to say I'm rock hard and ready to go i am rock hard excuse me i meant to say i'm rock hard and ready to go and debate i am rock hard and no one will notice as we are all behind desks that is some of the benefit of talking about desks i think you can be as rock hard as you want i think i meant to use rock as if it was a paperweight for an office something you would find in a fake or real office. Either or. I'm as rock hard as a paperweight. Jason Sheridan, hi. Hi.

I'm sporting more of a half chub under my desk. I'm a little more distracted because my fingers are like really raw and bleeding because I kept trying to steal post-it notes and pens and other off supplies, which is my usual MO working in an office. You slice yourself up with the paper corners? No, that's not the M.O. Stealing is the M.O.

Oh, right. Stealing is the M.O. Stealing. I don't think I've bought office supplies since the late 2000s. Really? I'm still going. Well, I buy pens if I see a sale and like cool pens

or I have a coupon. Cool pen sale today you'll see on a store and then, ooh, in I go. But besides that. I'll tell you, I got a coupon from Staples once. It was $10 off $10.

So I bought $11 worth of pens and I was like a pig in shit. Audience on their feet right now. Staples coupon talk right out the gate. They're bringing out the big guns. Arsenio Wall Show in the early 90s right now. Hoot, hoot, hoot. Everyone calm down.

We'll leave three minutes, so let's just kind of do nothing for three minutes while they calm down from the cool pens Staples talked. Just trying to get me off his five. Real quick, real quick question. Just a real quick question, I swear, for Jason. Have you bought blank paper in a long time for a printer or otherwise? No, I still haven't properly configured that printer our friend Andrew gave me like two years ago. What do you mean configured? Set it up, connect it to the Wi-Fi, buy ink find my blank plug it in i guess would be step

one of the configuring plugging it in finding space for it last time you bought computer paper uh at target maybe like two years ago okay because you know what i was doing i was going to fry's electronics that one of their services you could take an empty ink cartridge and they would put a syringe of ink in it and fill it up. They would shoot it up? They would shoot it up. Like a heroin needle. They'd just go right into the heart and just...

Really? Yeah, it was like a third of the price of ink cartridge. I can't anymore. Wow. This would just fill up a top-off station of ink. It's like a reusable ink. I don't know. Some. This just like fill up like a top off station. It's like a reusable, yeah, reusable ink. Yeah, I don't know. Some places might still do that.

Hmm. Okay, so you have bought supplies more recently. I mean, you got to remember, I had an office day job 2010 to 2017. I know. So I'm used to replying all on every email telling people something this is done like you know i'm look at this it's like a wrestling pro he's coming in he's gonna win this thing i know the competition isn't between us but if it was jason is gonna win he does reply all i just still have office brain from working in the office from from how long you mike every

you replied to uh logistical email, like ad emails or something, emails, but you don't reply all. And I'm like, whatever happened with that? And you're like, oh, I took care of that a week ago. I don't want you guys

to have to deal with some of the emails. So I just go, I'll deal with it, yes. I love done email. Oh man, my old job. You talk about your email being full all the time with different ads.

You miss all our work emails, you say. I'm taking some all too a month. You guys are my important email. I all the time with different ads. You miss all our work emails, you say. You guys are my important email. I got the star. The star comes up for Mike and Scott and Jane. You claimed that they faltered the curve. You were claiming a little while ago that you lose emails because you have so

many. So I corrected that. I starred you guys and my mom, my stepdad, my brother. Since then. From nowdad, my brother. Oh, that's since the discussion. Since then. Okay. So from now on, reply all. You'll see every, I won't, I will never just reply because I think I can take care of a problem quickly.

You knew about the, we're going to get caught for so long in this. I made a mistake. I made a mistake. The reply all, you know that Mike has not failed to do reply all on podcast business. That's a great question that I should have asked to do reply all on podcast business? That's a great question that I should have asked. That's something you know about? I don't think I was aware of that.

Only because we've discussed it. It's never something huge. Yeah, it'll be something from the podcast network, and it's like, do you approve a pencil ad or something? Sometimes I'll just reply. Do you approve this ad for a pill that gets you a half chub? Yeah, exactly. And we'll say we do,

because actually we wouldn't be comfortable with the full chub. But knowing that it's only going that gets you a half chub yeah exactly well i would and we'll say we do because actually we wouldn't be comfortable get with the full chub yeah yeah but knowing that it's only going to lead to a half because we're only i would double i would i would roll that one by you guys if it was a half chub pill although i should have just said yep but only jason's willing to do the ad for it and it's some weird that gets disguised, are we comfortable endorsing Xanthinex? I don't know. What is it? It's that half-chub pill. Oh.

It's a half-chub. They try to dress it up with a fancy name. Well, every now and then there's ads about, you know, products for children. Now, I step back. I'm like, well, I don't want to say we'll do that. That's on you guys, you know? Yeah, but you're sitting there hoping, come on, we gotta do this and make that money. I don't care about those kids.

You're sitting there hoping I say yes. Well, yeah, I'm chomping on my stogie. My apartment smells like shit because I'm chomping on stogies all day. Right, yes. So, Rick, this is a runner on the show, is your hatred of stogies. I've never heard a word said with more more dripping with maybe

bourbon and steak well besides that you have such malice for the word stogie i got a real sensitive sense of smell scott and i got real sensitive eyes especially in allergy seasons okay so you resent so is this better have you walked into a room that was loaded with stogie smoke that like ruined you for the season? I don't think so. Okay. Well, then he's done a good job of successfully avoiding stogies. Trying to avoid it. Yeah.

The beaches at the Jersey, sure. There was always like. A stogie guy. Some big dad would post up with his nasty cigars, cigarillos. And the sea air would take it right to you. The wind would bring it right to you. And you'd see a seagull pass through, just choke and fall to the sand.

Yeah. I don't know. They're a little wild there. They'd probably try to eat it. They'll eat anything. A bunch of Jersey seagulls sucking down stogies. Smoking stogies while they fly on the shore. Last couple of years. You've never seen a stogie being smoked by a seagulls sucking down stogies. Smoking stogies while they fly on the shore. Last couple years.

You've never seen a stogie being smoked by a seagull? It's very common on the shore. A seagull? Last couple years, there's been falconers walking around the werewolf with falcons. No. Because they... Like, for photographs to be taken? Or are they hunting something?

No, they release the bird to scare away other birds and then it comes back to him. Okay. And then the falcon sometimes. Are they paid by the state to do that or they just do it? Probably paid by the city.

The city. They employ falconers to scare birds away? That's interesting. Yeah, they get a little out of hand. They should pay some people to scare the stogie smokers away. Yeah.

Caw, caw. Some of those birds. My grandmother had a half a sandwich once, and she was talking. Birds just swooped in and took it away. That would have been a great story if it had just ended at half a sandwich. My grandmother had half a sandwich one time. Oh, there was more there. Those diagonal cut peach sandwiches hit different, brother.

What's in there? What's in that sandwich? Maybe a tuna fish, maybe a simple peanut butter and jelly. Do you think there's a chance that a bird steals a sandwich out of your hand at City Food? Too windy for birds up there. Yeah, you're right. The birds get blown away. No bird could navigate. They save money on Falcon. The birds get blown away. No bird could navigate.

They save money on Falcon. They're too noisy with all the construction, too. Well, lately, you're saying. Lately, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot going on up there. Okay, but there's a lot going on here. We should get to the premise of the episode.

Today is the fake office final four. This is exciting. I think we haven't done one of these in two years. We missed it last year due to the City Walk stuff. So we are back with another competition this year. This is not the only bracket-based premise in comedy podcasts, but it is the most ignorant of how sports work. Correct.

So we're really excited about that area that we've carved out for ourselves, and that's what we can really lay claim to. Now, some of this has been gone over a little bit on the Patreon because we did a little bit of a pre-show this year over on the second gate where we figured out the rules. We got settled on some of the opponents, but not all of them. We'll still do the reveal here in this episode. But this kind of came to us because we were talking about the newish ride tiana's bayou adventure we were remarking how much uh we like uh tiana's office in the line and how often theme park queues have weird little offices that you go by possibly in cages at the very least behind velvet ropes things trying to prevent you from reaching into the office,

from trying to steal office supplies, as Jason might want to do. Because they can't watch and ensure that people cut themselves on the sticky notes. That stuff's valuable. They can't afford to lose it. Oftentimes, the office supplies bolted down or glued down, you know. This is true.

Yes, very often, yes. You can't take one of the fake croissants from the Daily Bugle office. No, I can't take the excess tech memo on the collector's desk. Collector's desk. Anyway, we like our weird little offices and cages. We realized in the episode this might be the way to go and we did manage to narrow it down well you know what not quite narrow it down to 16 we are entering this one not fully secure uh even despite having done a pre-episode that might have only like slowed us down uh

created more questions uh than rather than answers um i before we get into the official list and the official divisions, apologies to a few that didn't end up making it. The Ghost Town Sheriff's Office in Knott's Berry Farm did not make it. We, I think, determined that Officer Zizek's little pod was not, I mean, there's a whole, I think there's an argument to be made and justice to be had for little security consoles for aliens or robots.

Do you consider those offices and desks? But I think none of them made it this year. And we did, of course, in the episode over on the second gate, determine that despite Jason's question, which I liked a lot, Madame Leota's table, Madame Leota's seance room we are not considering an office yeah for these purposes some look some big schools often get knocked out you know um yeah despite their best efforts and despite uh being very cool i mean i almost wish it was in if we're look if we're feeling overwhelmed underwhelmed by one of these uh we could certainly knock one out and put leota back in just for fun but let's see how we feel as we go down the line can can i apologize about an

office that's not in the bracket unless you guys light up and we want to throw it in we decided to put it in what do you think doc on dars little cage office in batu. Something I did not think about until today. He's got like his bean counter on the back wall. He's got a little desk. He's got little trinkets. It's clearly its own thing from the actual store. So it is his office. My knee jerk was, no, that's a store.

But you're right. He does have a little booth. It's kind of like where Danny DeVito or Louie was in Taxi. A little caged off. Dispatch area. I'm trying to get a good view of it. I mean, I'm into it. I just don't know what goes yeah what if what if he's

on deck what if he's on deck in case of injury i would like a boredom sure and i would like to to declare this this will flaunt the rules of a traditional bracket like none of the other final fours we've ever done okay yes um now what do you mean you mean that we are going to on the table here i mean we're not gonna we're not gonna fit into your little 16 candidate that's what i'm saying we're gonna get crazy with it we can and don't yell we're gonna yell at us we're gonna configure this thing crazier than a jason printer this thing's this thing's gonna be wild more complex than hooking up a printer in the year 2025. I am stunned by the Canon company, you know? What do you mean?

Have you tried to put the- I know, I haven't. It's the easiest thing on earth. What is the problem? I just haven't gotten around to it. I haven't made space for it. Look, I got limited energy a lot of the time. My hands hurt.

Like, you know? Got to prioritize the important things. Are you holding space for the printer? I am holding space. Very good. Yeah, it's made it to the office. Do you think that Ariana and Cynthia's long fingernails would make it easier or harder to use a Canon printer?

It might make them more precise with hitting the buttons. I don't know. You wouldn't miss aim like us and our big chunkers, our half chubs of fingers. You would have to, yeah. If you had long nail, I'm trying to imagine it right now. Hard to type but maybe better for... It would be good for answering telephones, like being an old

telephone operator like Lily Tomlin. Oh, that would be fun. Lily Tomlin character. That would look fun. You just got to be careful with those long nails because if you hit something on the wrong angle or wrong force, snap, it's gone. The whole thing's off. Yeah, yeah. I would hate for that.

All right. Well, Dakandar on deck. And I think just anybody call it as you see it. I like this thing being a little loose, a little chaotic if we need to draft candidates in. And we did organize these things kind of in little divisions just because I thought it might be a good way to highlight the types of fake offices that we run into in theme park attractions. Mainly queues. When you add it up, it really is places that either that you are walking through or like the things that are like entirely walk through attractions where there's not a lot of offices in rides i think that it's always like it's waiting areas it's on the way you're seeing them on foot usually yeah i wonder what that's about maybe i guess you're on a ride and you want to go somewhere more interesting than an office yeah there's a thing i don't know this

is not too big of a tangent i've always been uh fascinated by doing a ride that would really simulate reality in a way. So the idea of a ride in an office, maybe something fantastical happens, but maybe it's just the office ride, the NBC show The Office, or it's something that ends up being more fantastical. So I am fascinated by what you're saying. Yeah, there's very little of that in an actual ride. It's almost insane that there is not enough like uh uh you know what if you the vehicle was the going on the wild one-shot journey of making one of those music videos they would make all the time maybe it's just one scene in my head the office was doing flash mobs

every season six there was there were twice an episode flash mobs. I was sounding more like OK Go, what you were taught, that OK Go treadmill thing. They would make OK Go style videos where everybody pops around and slides around and you, the vehicle, are the winding path

of the one-shot cameraman that this paper company uses to make fun videos. I think that you'd do it. I think that's a problem. It seems like we will definitely, future portal in Epic Universe, Scranton.

Well, Scranton, because there's a new one coming, so it's ripe. It's fresh. World of Scranton. They would dress it up. It couldn't just be the office. Yeah.

I don't know. Enter the Dunder Mifflin verse. I don't know how you dress it up exactly. I see you making a bigger thing. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't even really crunched it we can figure it out yeah you guys been to scranton before i have not no okay another he's really cocky today yeah i'm winning this thing i know supplies i've been to scranton uh hey cockiness keeps you awake great yeah thinking of scranton just shoots your body full of excitement well i it's very it's just

funny to me that it's like this is the no rules bracket um i thought we were gonna come in with a locked bracket and we'll keep this thing tight and you guys are like no we're flying by the seat of our pants and i'm like all right let's do it brother let's go crazy it's not a problem yeah i know you seem mad at the beginning there i thought we were locked and now we're not uh well look we can start getting into it i think we should get into it yeah let's get into it um all right so this first area the first division uh and this is this is what still requires a narrow down for us um but uh this is one of the biggest areas of fake office in theme parkdom and that is jungle makeshifts we ran into so many of these we figured make it a division and here is the

list of five that needs to be narrowed down Indiana Jones office from the Indiana Jones adventure expedition Everest jungle cruise and even in, there's discussion of what is the Jungle Cruise office. The Adventureland Treehouse, and what's the office there? In my head, going through it, and I haven't been there in person. Maybe you can help, Mike. The Daughters Observatory is an observatory. That's where you see a desk. That's kind of the most art-designed, like room for work.

And finally, Journey to the Center of the Earth. There's a classic caged office in the queue for that in tokyo disney sea um okay i think maybe the most efficient thing is that we all before we even get into it vote for one of these to go and we have to um okay uh everest Okay. Everest. Jason. Jason, what goes? What goes? I'm going to try to move this along and also say Jungle Cruise. Wow. Jungle Cruise is out. Jungle Cruise gone. Why the immediate thought for that?

I just think it's a little ad hoc. It's more Q than Office. I don't know Journey to the Southern Earth. I haven't been to DisneySea. So I didn't want to vote that one out, and I didn't want us to come to a three-way steal. Well, some of it for me is just that when I think of these as having a lot of personality, I like, by the way,

this is no knock against the Jungle Cruise, but the other four, I have a stronger feeling in my mind about their identity. With the Jungle Cruise, I like the aesthetic. I like the line. I like the stuff I'm seeing

when I go back over the queue, but the other four just stand out, and there has to be a loser here. The fact that we don't know, that I had a different one in my head from Disneyland and Disney World. If it was that, one of them is the radio room. But what's the radio room?

The radio room's good. Don't get me wrong. People are already mad right now. There's so much character. It's playing my Spotify top five all over the place. Yeah, there's old-timey music. This is a tough competition. All right. Well, there's old-timey music. And yeah, this is a tough competition. All right, well, that was good and efficient

and no offense taken that you were against me there. We gotta do what we gotta do. Okay, I have entered the candidates into a randomizer, so we didn't know the pair until now. So right now the debate is between Adventureland Treehouse, the Daughters Observatory, and Journey to the Center of the Earth. Yes.

Okay, so the Da's observatory and journey to the center of the earth yes um okay so the daughter's observatory um i think this is a very lovely room uh you know you've got a lot of like celestial art on the wall you've got kind of a is this like a makeshift telescope is it made out of a barrel and stuff it's like a fun fun Gilligan's Island professor making, you know, something out of something else. And then this wonderful, what would you call it? Like a mobile. Yes. That is like, you know, and I haven't been,

I haven't seen this in person, but it's like a solar system mobile that seems like lit up with special gems. I mean, this is the right, I will say, the right family landed on this island because they are craftsmen. I don't know how they managed to get this done with just a bunch of rocks and coconuts because this is a beautiful place. I was skeptical about this one. And then when I looked at pictures, I'm like, this one has a lot of character. It seems practical.

And I think it's got something that the other ones don't have a lot of natural light you can't work in the darkness i think this is going to come up in other uh categories now i think there are probably some very cool offices that have no natural light at all yeah we should respect those for what they are. Sure. You know, that's the, especially like a villainous character might want no light whatsoever. But I do, part of me is factoring into this, these decisions, what office would I want to work in? Okay. Maybe that's not fair, but it's in my head, you know?

It feels like it needs to have qualities of a space that would be, you know, that would leave me with an open mind, that would make me a free thinker? Where do I want to sit and get some work done? And I totally would in the Adventureland Trias. I think going with your gut is fair, Scott. I think that should be on the table because you think about people playing basketball, they're making split-second decisions of like,

do I go to him or him? You know, like, oh oh my god's telling me this one and oh he made the shot or oh we missed oh well on to the next thing look at that see that i didn't i didn't spot one error in there we do know plenty about sports wow yeah he's right um journey to the center of the earth uh is a very this might fall more into the lab category where other offices that we have seen and will see are kind of more spare and like tidy and organized. This is absolute chaos. There is stuff everywhere. There's stuff.

There's supplies in a big net up at the top. It's a tiny space and there could not be more packed into it this is this is the the workspace of somebody furiously frustrated at being unable to tap into their theories about what the hell is at the center of the goddamn earth so many crumpled up papers tons of test tubes with different colors and supplies a big big hatch door. Cool space. Definitely a cool space. Anything you want to highlight about it? Yeah.

Here's the thing with me that still keeps this very strongly in the mix for my affection or my decision, I should say. I love beakers. As a kid, beakers with different colored liquid in them. Obsessed with these. The idea of not, even though not thinking about as a

kid i think i always thought they were potions i didn't think they were like chemicals that would hurt me if i drank them so obviously there's a kid element to just imagine what's in those beakers and bottle what the experiments are happening sure so the idea that there is a room which i think is there a room with more beakers i don't maybe one. I think, I don't know if there's a room with more unusual beakers. More unusual colors. We'll bring up later. So I'm just saying this is a,

from a kid's perspective, from a kid's playground, I am very excited by this. Yeah. And. It's very striking when you're there. It's very striking. It's a hell of a cue.

Great cue. And you got that like sort of steampunk aesthetic, which I now... It's not fully Dr. Twosome-ish. That shouldn't be my frame of reference for steampunk now. But I do like the copper. I do like... Oh, copper is a good word to highlight. Yes.

It's really... Good crystals. Yes. And there's a win... There's a frenzy in this this place you can see the character of who works in here i think is on display yes now the problem is because like you know there's this picture of it where it's like you can see into it from the queue and that looks cool there's a little mystery in there a little claustrophobic in there it is a little claustrophobic and i think i am tying in part of my affection is from the ride itself steampunk aesthetic itself a lot of other factors and yes the office just independent is probably less

beautiful and pleasant as the treehouse. Yeah, I mean, you almost can't expect it to be. That's not the story that they're telling. But when we think about, maybe if we do care about, is this a space that you want to be in? I don't know. I think I'm going to go with my gut, Jason style, basketball style, and say Adventureland Treehouse.

I am as well. I agree with you. Wow, that's a three-way. Okay, okay. Yeah, you know what? So we're a little bit of discussion because I think if we hadn't highlighted the pleasantry of it,

that mobile is just wonderful. It's great. Yeah. I think the key to being in an office five days a week or so or even if you split working from home is personalizing it is making it comfortable for you uh-huh absolutely and that's why you know what amenities have you

recently added to the research for it that make it a place that is fun and uh not oppressive oh let's see um uh purple pillow uh water water is good great the the tower of like morning lunch evening bedtime pills trying to stay on top of filling that up great all right so necessities do you have necessities in there? Right. No decor. You haven't made a little origami bird that's dangling from the top of the fort? No. Okay. Well, that's an idea. Maybe be inspired by the treehouse, by the decorations up on the roof. Trying to clean up.

You know, I get a little addicted to iCloud tabs. I got tabs on the laptop, the iPad, the phone. And it's like, sometimes when I'm scatterbrained, I'm just opening tabs. I'm never actually reading, you know, defector articles or like watching videos or stuff that I put aside. Well, this is important.

Yeah, don't just open tabs. Look at them. Yeah, actually see the tabs. Anyone can open a tab. Yeah. Not everybody can enjoy what's in the tab. No. I got a baby at home who can't do either, frankly.

So we should appreciate what we have as adults. That's right. Okay, next category. Expedition Everest versus Indiana Jones' office in the temple. Wowie wowie. Okay, Everest. What are some

details of Everest? This is very early into the queue of this attraction in Animal Kingdom. I see I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going Indiana Jones right here and now. Wow. Yeah, I'm going to do that too.

I'm looking at some murky photos and it's fine. It's fine. But i was just gearing up to like really give the hard sell on this and you know what i gotta vote with my heart right here and now so if you guys are passionate about everest i will leave it to you to what's that you just gave it to indy oh that's all right well that was fast do you want to do you want to make a declaration um i guess i was gonna i probably would have said indy anyway but i just the everest q and the office and everything i think i've said this before the first time i had been back to disney world in many years i look i knew that was a line for a ride but they had made it so authentic that

there were part of me that was looking at the things on the desk and on the wall and going oh this is some of these real and then finally i'd get to, like, for whatever reason, the Joe Rohde touch gave that an authenticity that I feel most fake offices and queues don't have. Sure, sure. So I just want to highlight that. Yeah. But Indiana Jones. Yeah, that's fair enough.

The detail is amazing, but Indiana Jones is a close personal friend, just like Spider-Man. Now, I would say perhaps everyone's affection for the man is doing a little heavy lifting here. It definitely colors it because we can imagine this is an office that Indiana Jones has worked in. Famous man's office. We don't even know. There's no characters that we know from the Everest ride. So, yeah, it's hard to unsee that. I also, though, think it's a pretty foundational office in terms, in this category, of jungle

makeshifts. I mean, I think it caused a lot of the other jungle makeshifts to occur. Sure. And it also occurred to me that, is Journey to the Center of the Earth right? That's not really a jungle. Whatever. Too late. It's already named that.

Yes, it's a good point. And we're already through it. And that one's already out. We recorded it. We can't edit it now. We can't edit it now. No, there's no way to do that. So at Jungle Makeshifts, it becomes Adventureland Treehouse versus Indiana Jones Office. And as we start to make it through, by the way, the Spacious 16. We're in the spacious 16 right now. It'll get a little less spacious as we go. The next area, another big area in terms of fake theme park offices

that you run into is tune dens. Now, I said dens to keep it kind of tidy, but you might also call some of these studies. I don't know exactly the difference. I think there might be a subtle difference, but I think it could all fit under one umbrella. Tune dens. I have randomized the pairings. Here are the pairings.

Well, you know what? This was not a matchup that you wanted, Jasonason but the randomizer gave it to us uh so i i think we're stuck unless unless you insist that we don't do it this way mickey versus minnie wow mickey's den versus minnie mouse's home office holy sorry excuse me holy fucking shit sorry i didn't swear enough sorry i apologize um uh well you know hey it is what it is. We landed where we landed. Mickey's Den is, I think, I think we've put a lot of shine on. We have made famous via the show and via a clip that we're fond of and that I trimmed out and highlighted on our YouTube channel. Just to capitalize on that, all that viral traffic of people looking for Mickey's Den.

But there's a special where he gives you a tour of his house. And this is in Mickey's birthday land in the Magic Kingdom, which is no more. And he is pointing out different rooms of the house, which are more functional than they are cartoon fun. As exemplified by him ultimately saying, When I need to make a telephone call, I use the den. Weird fake Mickey voice. ultimately saying when i need to make a telephone call i use the den uh weird fake mickey voice uh in a fake fake office in fake mickey's house um this actual place i don't know if anybody's looking at photographs of it i pulled a few um i got mickey here i think what's now what's interesting about this version of his house and this office especially, this is not a silly cartoon place.

Right. This is an office that conceivably Walt Disney himself could have had. It's all real. None of it is fun. It's not like a big piece of cheese. Yeah. It's not like gigantic earmuffs that would fit over his head. items most of which are like 50s era including the phone that he uses which is a rotary right and the kind where the earpiece is separate from the uh now what this is he needs this kind of

phone in 1989 right or did they just determine this is better for a gigantic mouse's head because the only way he's going to be able to make a phone call he's stuck with the technology um but you see a globe you see a light you see a globe. You see a light. You see framed photographs. And there's a key to a city or something up there. It is not fun. No. This is important to note. This is where Mickey goes to make telephone calls, get work done.

Yeah. All right. Is there a cartoonish notepad or legal pad by that phone? Not that I see. Yeah. It's all just like ledgers. It's just like, oh like my chiropractor's in here no i've look i leave my i leave the funny business on the screen all right when i'm here

i'm here to work no fun colors i'm just pinks and purples out of here i don't want to see that it's not a birthday cake it's an an office. Can I speak on Mickey's? Minnie's. Minnie's. Excuse me. Yes, because Minnie's is extremely different. Now, this is a different era. This is pure Toontown. We are in full cartoon territory here.

Yeah. It almost reminds me, in Downton Abbey, the valet's room. Okay. With all the clothes and stuff. But I think the thing that has me leaning towards Mini is similarly to the phone it is now anachronistic

I feel like. But that bulky beige desktop computer. Yeah, I'm seeing it as pink. Whatever version I'm looking at is bright pink. And what Mini has looking at is a bright pink. And what Minnie has here, Mike, you brought this up in the, I think this candidate is here because of you in the pre-show that we did. Yes, thank you for giving me credit.

And yes, of course. Well, you're looking out for your girl, and I respect that. The photo that you showed before was a little bit further away and now that i've seen i haven't been in this room in a very long time and now that i'm seeing into the contents of mini's computer i notice a couple of important things one it is shaped like a heart it is a custom type of screen that no other computer screen is yeah gotta give points for that uh it also uh is a magic clueless before clueless type outfit customizing machine. Right. There is no, there are no letters. There's no QWERTY on this keyboard.

There's, if she wanted to type a letter, she couldn't. This computer exists for you to design an outfit for her. And the keys are just eight giant keys. Just like, here's blue, here's pink, here's stripes, here's classic mini polka dots. This is a fine machine. This is a quality machine. It's awesome.

And you say the computer is hard, but other things in the office are hard. The mirror is a heart. And the dressing, whatever you call that thing. The board that you only thing that like only used in 40s movies where people where women would like where actresses would change backstage and right drape the dresses over the a screen the screen dressing screen minnie's dressing screen yeah so so that's a card to heart as well so she's got an aesthetic there's a little heart

at the top of the um of the what would you call it i can't think of anything today uh the shelves there's a little heart so she has hearts i don't think any of us have like truly designed an office because we don't know the names of the things that would would go desk address it's like it's a desk with like a shelf a bureau bureau no well that would be so uh this it's awesome her little area is awesome and there's a and a different picture like she has a shes lounge there too as well so she does her stuff she does her business she does her work there and it is it's a ton obviously more personality than mickey's boring office and i also think like maybe that office of mickey's is showing his true personality it's all

business he doesn't have any whimsy that's all bullshit that's all an act he doesn't give a fuck about whimsy and fun the writers write this stuff yeah they tell me who i am bunch of nerds i had a bunch of eye on goofballs funny stuff comes out a team of people to put all this shit in here i don't know what half this shit is i don't know what half a shit is. I don't know where it is. I don't want to. Yeah. Like, I don't think I just like to see this with many because it's more what I think many is. I think many is true to herself.

Many is more who she is on screen, which is what I like to know and to see. Totally. But I have to be true to myself. I frankly am too fond of this den. I feel like this is something. That's fair. This was a thing I got locked in on and brought to the show. I can't possibly vote against the den.

I would not be mad if it went the other way. But I think I'd be betraying my friend Mickey, who is also being true to himself. His hard-edged, all-business nature. You know, he doesn't need an outfit customizing machine he's got one his suit he puts on his suit he goes to his desk he makes a phone call he gets the job done and that's why i'm locking in mickey's den wow mickey's den but it's not fun. I'm going Minnie. Yeah, I'm going Minnie too. Wow.

I mean, I knew it. It was kind of a protest vote in a way, but I'm also not, in the broad scheme of things, I am not at all upset to have Minnie, this Minnie computer. I was more sold on the computer by the time I described it out loud than when I started. If Minnie's job is kind of modeling or being stylish or being fashionable, that's labor. Often women's, what is traditionally called women's work is undervalued.

Certainly from the ball and chain, I've learned quite a bit about styling. That was one of the best moments. You're talking about how styling is good to be nice to her, but then you called her a ball and chain. That was one of the best moments. You're talking about how styling is good to be nice to her, but then you called her a ball and chain. That was the best combo ever. I was trying to be... I meant that affectionately. You've been married for several days. I thought, yeah, I've been married for seven

days. She's the ball and chain. Sort of what Fred Mertz would use to describe... Yeah, I'm true to myself, goddammit. You're in character. That's your model of an ideal marriage. My wife has taught me so much about the ideas that are communicated or stories that are told with how you dress and stuff. And I read the menswear guy is always dunking people on Twitter and learning about the history of clothes. So I'm very interested in this.

Sure. Well, I agree that Minnie is doing work. You never heard me say otherwise. And it's fun. She's got her own place. She's her own woman. You have never heard me say otherwise. I've never heard you say otherwise, Michael.

I am on the record. I know. He voted for Minnie. If anything, I need to be scolded. Yes, Scott needs to be scolded. Mickey tells stories, too. Here's the story. Dumbo's asking for more money.

Oh, really? What's the name on the top of the Walt Disney Productions? And what built that empire? Me. These big ears. Not your big ears. Stay in line. You're saying Mickey.

I'll ship you off to Fleischer. These lights are too bright in here. Take the bulbs out. I want to be in the darkness. The guy who designed this thing. Get the old light bulbs. Are you trying to give me migraines? I want the ones that last three months and then they just explode.

I don't want this new LED shit. I want a hole in the floor that can open up when I hit a button. And I don't want things powered by windmills anymore. All right. All right. Windmills. They kill birds. They kill everything.

I like that about them. They kill everything. I like that about them. They kill my friend. They kill Clara Cluck. She flew at first into a windmill. That's why you don't see her in the cartoons anymore. That's a good woman. We made love for many years. We get it.

Mickey does not have a good work-life balance. He sure doesn't. But we all benefit from it. We all benefit. We get to have fun in his places. That's what it's worth. He does it fun in his places he's kind of he he does it for our sins he's kind of a christ-like figure yeah yeah yeah uh it seems like jerky cross i'm sure art that exists yeah in the cross okay so moving on to the next one uh i classified both

of these as studies i think that's fair it's mr toad's study from mr toad's wild ride and it's bowser's study from the queue for uh mario kart koopa's challenge is that what it is is that what the name of the ride is it bowser's isn't it somewhere isn't it but isn't it weirdly koopa somewhere yeah well it's called bowser's challenge in japan in japan it's koopa's challenge so i'm not pulling that oh it's one of those things like where eggman is the name of the villain in japan and he's robotnik here in oh yeah yeah i think so yeah all right well bowser's challenge is here yeah foolishness um now i think in the episode we were talking about this as if it was a badger's office and then i think that's how it was suggested to us but But on reflection, you're in Toad Hall.

It's got to be Toad's office. And there's paintings of Toad on the wall. Badger's just in there, leaning on one of those bookshelf ladders on wheels and having a hard time of it. He's holding too many books. He's slipping around. Mr. Toad's paintings are fantastic. There's one where he seems to be, unless I'm just looking at it from a weird warped angle,

or maybe it's of relatives or something. I feel like I'm looking at a Parisian toad with a goatee, with the mustache and the little wispy beard, and then more of an English, more of a stuffy, tea drinking, monocle wearing toad. Yeah.

This is a very nice room. It's the first room that you enter in the ride. It's where your madcap journey begins. It's a very well-decorated bookshelf. There's lots going on there. There's a ship up at the top. We got globes. There's a lot of items we're going to see throughout. The a ship up at the top we got globes there's a lot of items we're going to see throughout and that might the devil might be in the details here

we might have to we might find ourselves going which is the best globe which is the best telescope yeah um he's also got a pile of papers that have stacked up presumably because he's out showboating and racing around instead of getting his work done whatever that is i don't really remember much about Mr. Toad and what he does besides go on wild rides and take you to hell. Is Badger Mr. Toad's solicitor? I couldn't tell you.

Is he a lawyer? Oh, maybe. Oh, that's a good question. I don't know. He's obviously in there doing some sort of research. He's pulling books off the shelf on the big ladder. Yeah. So he's obviously working in some capacity for Mr. Toad.

Yeah. So did you have a reason why you were asking about this? Well, now I was just trying to figure out why he's in there. No. I mean, I guess it could be some sort of recreational thing, but it doesn't seem like it. Yeah. That's just the feeling I get. I think he makes other people do his dirty work.

Yeah. I mean, I think everyone's sort of annoyed with toad because toad is the one who acts wild and they have to rein him in you know like everyone is sort of like everyone is lower than toad status wise but that's the frustrating thing is that he's reckless well and he's a fool well yes he's a reckless fool but he but he gets his at a lesson that we all learn time after time. Right. When we are taken to hell. Just like in real life.

All bad people go to hell. That's right. This we know. This we believe. Then we move to Bowser's study, office, whatever you want to call it. I think that we have been pretty rough on this ride. And I think that this ride has been rough on us, frankly. Yeah.

So, it would be kind of a change of heart to give some shine to something from the Mario Kart ride. And it is very tempting to do so, because every picture you see of this... I've only been in this room once because i try to avoid this line and frankly the ride i've not gone back to this very much i gotta do it in like a single rider way where i'm skipping a lot of this stuff but mike you and i did it one time and if you're gonna get stuck in a theme park room for a while this is a good room to get stuck in it is great i've maybe never seen maybe not never but like it's i think it's rare to see a q with this many details with funny jokes with nods to the vast rich mario universe there's so many great

book titles yeah he's got blueprints on the wall you get to see where bowser creates his minions like you get a sense of his process of how he designs a bullet bill of how he designs those wind-up toys like uh i don't like and it's also and he does it all from like a almost religious feeling space it's like somewhere it's it feels like a castle obviously but it also kind of feels like a temple uh i mean it's it's remarkable and i don't think a space that you've i have no idea there's been a lot of games maybe bowser's office has been shown in the games uh uh but i it's not instantly familiar to me but it answers a lot of questions it tells me a lot about bowser's character and i

just really like this room yes you're right i mean there's something that very cathedral-y about some of the like windows in there yeah uh yes it is i'll it really shows off his character as you're saying like there's a there's a pen there's like a quill there that's how he writes so like he is he is a fancy dinosaur right so the quill exactly so you are getting which is important i think some for the office what jason was saying earlier you make it your own shows your personality off and i think you're absolutely right you don't get this glimpse into bowser's life and if you just went through the queue of the mario kart ride you would go oh my god this is about to be the greatest ride of all time yes

so detailed such a usually with a long detailed queue you're going to get a really good ride very rarely i feel like is there a ride with this good of a queue that that not good of a right people out yes yeah perhaps a superior queue to a ride um i uh i don't want to prolong it i i mean it's just it's a hard competition it's a very detailed office you know in a world of ip that I love. I'm going with Bowser. Yeah, well, the thing about Bowser, he's always kind of monofocused on his goal. Yeah. Right, taking over the Mushroom Kingdom.

Mm-hmm. Wooing the princess. Sure. Invading things. It's a nice way to put it, yeah. He's using his office a lot. Mm-hmm. He's studious. He's got a office a lot. He's studious.

He's got a lot of business, perhaps more than Mickey. I think they have similar workloads. I think they would actually get along very well. I respect the guy, I gotta say. And he's the kind of guy you want on your side, not to be an enemy. Maybe new CEO for Disney? Bowser? What do you think?

Replace Iger? I think you'd do a pretty good job. You need a firm hand, you know? You need somebody who doesn't take shit. Doesn't create her to the woke mob. I don't know if that's woke bullshit. Bowser's traditional values of being openly evil. If somebody's mad and they criticize,

just get in the airship and fly at them. You know, that'll set him straight i'll shut him up real quick yeah um i don't know what do you guys think uh i think bowser well i was gonna yeah i agree bowser i was gonna say toad toad's office isn't crazy enough for toad honestly yeah it's well i think i think you get there you know there's it's similar right uh a egotistical character but that is more evident in the uh exterior in the building made in his image where his image is shown very much and in the statues of him uh and and the grandeur and the pomposity right is you know they actually these are well paired they they have a lot in common

uh both green as well uh but ultimately i think bowser's is a more is just a bigger manifestation of the egotistical uh character design wise i think toad's office is more library than office yeah does that make sense well we even had the question putting it in who is it an office and there is a desk so it ends up the desk ends up being kind of the uh you know the deciding factor uh as it might be in some of these and this is another one where we might have to knock one out before we go this is very competitive uh but by the way the next matchup will be uh in tune den's minnie's office versus bowser's study wow i like that pairing holy shit um so uh this area i call sci-fi and labs and this is extremely competitive i would say we have the mib headquarters from men in black alien attack

we have the collector's office from guardians of the galaxy mission breakout in california adventure we have what i keep calling the cool girl lab from Spaceship Earth, the representation of computer science in the 60s and 70s. You have the professor's office from Kingdom of the Dinosaurs, kind of a sleeper. This is the first scene in this defunct dark ride from Knott's Berry Farm right before time travel begins. And then you have one of the grandest labs ever made,

the Laboratory in Flight of Passage in Avatar in the world of Pandora. So one of these has to go. Do we have to reason it out or do we just pick one? Hmm. I, hmm. I've got two that I would put on the chopping block. Okay, two on the chopping block.

Okay. All right, yeah, let's hear it. The Professor's Office from Kingdom of the Dinosaur. Mm-hmm. I love Wednesday, but I just, I never saw it. I just don't know it as well. It's hard. It feels a little like doomed,

but also when we discovered it in the episode, it's just like, it's a fun, silly place. It's got a time machine in it. Yeah. He's a kooky guy teetering in a chair. Yeah, I do wish I knew it more. But he sounds like this. He's one of these guys. Oh, no.

The time machine's not ready. And there's a big dial and there's shelves. I, you know, to me, it's a little more of an office than pandora than avatar which is so clearly a lab it's just so i know that we're allowing labs but it's so much more lab than office that's what i was that was my other one it's more lab than office and we spend so much time on the second gate like scratching our heads about this one i know i know but well one move could be deciding now labs are out because i don't know that you even call it a lab in the in kingdom of the dinosaurs and you put in doc ondar like just make it fair

and all labs are out yes Yes, all labs are out. Okay. All labs are out. All right. I like the last. Okay, so what this has now become is, and apologies to the lab, but I do think it's a different category. And it took, you know, we got through an entire episode without realizing it, perhaps making

that episode a waste of time. No. But now that we're here. No. We put our heart and soul into it like every episode. It's not a waste of time no now that we're here no like every episode it's not a race that there is an office in there's another office in there's the makeshift garage office in spaceship I was thinking about that too yes there is the pseudo Steve Jobs well this this throws us for a loop I mean I like it and I I think it's a very

peaceful zone yeah I don't want it in here, but it is an office. If you don't want it in here, then it shouldn't be in. But I like that he has a Fleetwood Mac poster in there. That is funny. That makes me happy. It's nice to see them in a dark red. Yeah. Okay, so Flight of Passage is out.

Labs are out. This is now sci-fi, not labs. Sci-fi it is. And let me throw it into the randomizer so we don't have time to overthink these pairings. This is a very important step. And we now throw it in and we get this. Okay, the first pairing is Men in Black versus Doc Ondar's Little Room in his Den of Antiquities. Okay, well, you know, the thing about the Doc Ondar's little room in his den of antiquities. Okay, well, you know, the thing about the Doc Ondar one,

you go to a small business, especially a knick-knack shop or an antique store, if they got the door to the back open, you're going to see a little desk with a stack of papers, probably an eight-year-old Dell computer, and they got to do payroll payroll you know they gotta pay rent yeah they gotta do all this stuff that said men in black alien attack is so elaborate the giant bullpen there is a break room as you exit uh there is technically a lobby even though it's a a swerve yes true but i think i

think you gotta judge judge it for office and i think mainly and you could take these other things into account but i think you mainly have to uh focus on that main room where the most desks are and where there's announcements from Rip Torn and arrivals of aliens. And that room is a pretty spectacular room. That is a tough one to deny. What do you think? Mike is the one who brought Doc Ondar into this very recently. I think there's a lot of things like the little alien break room that technically, if you're considering the whole thing in Office, that's part of it. And look, the design of Men in Black and the way that the Office looks is really cool, and they've recreated it in a perfect way. But I think the details in Doc Ondar, if you really take a look, there's little trinkets.

There's things on the wall, there's like these cool weapons that are behind him. He's got like a big book that he looks through when he's looking for the prices for things. I just think this little zone

is one of my favorite parts of Galaxy's Edge. It's the promise of Galaxy's Edge. It's a new character in the Star Wars universe. It's just a gift shop. He doesn't need to be in there. But I love peering in here for a longer than your average park goer when I'm in Doc Ondar's.

And I think that this, as we're saying, you get a character. You get his personality. You get what he's all about, even though he doesn't really talk. He just looks over. And I love it. And I think I would vote for Doc Ondor over Men in Black. Wow. Well, let me throw out this.

The Men in Black bullpen. A lot of desks, a lot of papers, cups with pens and pencils, and that cool oval screen. The cool oval, again, aesthetically very cool and a lot of it i think for is the excitement of oh wow it's the office from the movie which is a very well designed office yeah but it is sterile and yes while impressive i just there's there's not as many details in it as you're getting from the hominess of the Doc Ondar space. I agree with everything that you said. I like that we have taken some time to highlight this particular space. The den itself is great.

And the little room in the den is the highlight. The space is wonderful. I appreciate the passion. That said, not a chance. Men in Black. Wow. Yeah, Men in Black as well could potentially go although i really favor for going all the way i just it's of course everything you said was right there was not one error i'm glad that he got some time on this podcast but there's no way men in black so cool i agree men in black so cool i just got aliens too one more it's also a unique it's like he's in like a little ufc cage or like a ufc cage in the middle of his gift shop i am glad you highlighted it

there's like a weird like abacus thing going on like he has some system of counting that i mean you're i'm gonna end up talking myself and you focus on even everything else i mean like that's sort of above it the different lights the different details yeah it's cool but it's isn't well maybe it's more of a of a pen in a den it's certainly a pen but it is his office that's where he does all his work and it is lived in and it's and you know what it and it feels like very classically star wars but it does everything star wars you want star wars to do with like an entire world is implied with it that isn't really they don't tell you everything it's just like here's cut to this this feels so real and lived in one of the try is things that

still to this day hold up for me as far as galaxies are just concerned but the sterility of men in black i don't think we've seen sterility a lot and isn't that a big element of real offices but i also don't find it sterile. We'll have to, well, you know, let's get to it in the next. Well, there's a different type of sterility we're talking about. Well, we'll see if it ends up against something more whimsical, which it undoubtedly will via the next matchup, which is the collector's office and guardians and the professor's office from Kingdom of the Dinosaurs.

We could do this for a while or we could do, I it's pretty obvious I'm really happy Kingdom of the Dinosaurs is in there but it's the collector's office yeah it's the collector's office I'm sorry professor I really like it people have asked for a little while about a Kingdom of the Dinosaurs episode at least on the second gate

I'd love to do that I'd love to hear this guy's voice more. I'd like to watch the video where Gary Owens goes through the ride with some other guy. We will give proper shine to this professor, but come on, it's Guardians, unfortunately. This is a tough category. So Men in Black goes up against Guardian Collector's Office,

which could be a, I mean, that feels like it could be the final right there but it's gonna have to get decided holy crap before that so that leaves us with kind of the unclassifiable with the grab bag with the leftovers but that's no way to put it because some of these are uh pretty damn spectacular um and so i will throw these into the randomizer yes one especially i think we've all been salivating over a certain one of these. So let's do it. It is going to be, I think it's the same order that I put in. All right.

Here's the, well, let's just do the first two. Tiana's Office in the line for tiana's by tiana's bayou adventure and bluto's office from the line uh for popeye and bluto's bilge rat barges is that correct it is um now something funny about this because this was suggested by a listener and this came up in the pre-show that we did on the patreon and something that i thought was very funny was that i just described it because i couldn't get the photo to load i just said oh you know what bluto has an office you guys didn't see a photo sight unseen when i said so is it in yeah it's in no that's in that'll be in the pop the pop i love is so strong you didn't even need to

see a photograph to know with absolute certainty, Bluto's office. It could have been an eight inch by eight inch drawing in a little portal or something. And it's just like you peered in and I would have, yeah, it's in. Bluto's office is in. It doesn't matter. Could have been a scrambled tiny photograph, 50 by 50 pixels. It doesn't matter. It's not what it could have been

literally an announcement while you're in the line describing the office that you never see and i would approve it being in this like just like here's what he has he's got a desk and he's got a telescope and well let's now that now let me show the photo which isn't much better than the quality that you're describing but i did get my apologies i don't have it in front of me what a listener sent this but here's what is in pluto's office a classic cage off as we find in a lot of these lines yeah uh we have a desk we have a framed photo of himself we have a big yellow trophy we have a treasure chest and then a bunch of loose treasure that is piling up and then we have a cannon there's a cannon that's really good it is really

it's really good framed photo of yourself in the in an office is kind of psychopathic. He's Bluto. Yeah, he is a traditional heel. You want to see him lose. You want to see him eat shit. The original American Psycho. That's right. Yeah, that's right.

You would say it, yeah. Patrick Bateman. I hear they're remaking American Psycho with Bluto in that role. That's right. But still with Christian Bale. He is Dick Cheney style going to style himself as Bluto. He's slowly turning himself into Bluto.

He's gaining even more weight, growing a big beard. No one asked him to do that. They hired. They said, no, this is a voice role. You will not be seen. Who is in the New America? Is it Austin Butler? Is that right? I don't know. a voice role. Yeah. You will not be seen. Who is in the New America? Did they, and is it Austin Butler?

Is that right? I don't know. Is it, I thought they were remaking or making. I feel like there was chatter with it. Is there a casting

or did you see like a. I don't know, or Jacob, Josh Gad, I believe. Did you see some like AI ad on Facebook that fools grandmothers?

No, no, I thought it was a dead, it might just be in development. I thought maybe there was just names thrown around. There was a musical too. I don't think they're adapting that. I thought it was a dead, it might just be in development. I thought maybe there was just names thrown around. There was a musical too. I don't think they're adapting that. I think, you know, there is an Austin Butler announcement.

Oh, for American Psycho? Psycho, yeah. American Psycho. Yeah, I could, yeah, you know. I'll go a little psycho, yeah, yeah. That's right. So, Bluto's office is pretty, it's pretty strong, I have to say.

It is strong. Just from saying those items, it's very good. Tiana's office is pretty strong, I have to say. It is strong. Just from saying those items, it's very good. Tiana's office inspired this entire thing. It reminded us that we like this area. We would not be here without Tiana. There's a very simple, just stylish chair. There's a typewriter. There's a good amount of space, despite it being a little corner.

It's a solid desk. She's got framed photos of other people, people that she cares about. She's got this little table with a box of chocolates and ginger ale, a.k.a. Jason's go-to lunch. I got ginger ale zero. Delicious. Got it at home, the little cans. Tiny cans.

It's almost on par with the tree house where you're just like, oh, what a perfect space that I, a human man, would like to sit in and work. Of a lot of what we've talked about, yes, this would be high on the list of where I would like to where i would like to go what feels like a a productive space right just well chosen a very appealing color of wood nice splashes of color and the queue is one of the the things that i think improve on splash mountain i think the queue of tiana's is better than splash mountain the exterior of the queue and this office is a huge part of it. Natural light or at least the

simulation of natural light with artificial lights and the bright wood. This might be highest on my list of where I think I... If you had to pick one of these to get a little bit of work done, it might be here. But even I

Pluto is calling to me. yeah that wasn't where i started thinking about i like what like when i was staring at this matchup i'm like it's well obviously it's tiana let's let's be adults here but then i don't know once i said the randomizer in there the randomizer putting this uh together yes there's treasure there's a big can't did you were you about to vote Tiana? I actually was. You were about to betray Popeye. I was.

You know, T, I... Well, no, I was going to defeat Bluto. So if anything, I'm honoring Popeye. Where does Wimpy's allegiance lie when it comes to Bluto? Hamburgers. His god is hamburgers. If it was Wimpy's office

and it was just a drawing of Wimpy's office, you would have voted Wimpy's office, right? Oh, yeah. Or even if it was, oh, what's a cook's name? Hard? Roughhouse. Roughhouse. If it was Roughhouse's kitchen, I would have went kitchen his office.

It goes to Roughhouse. You're mad at Bluto. That's partly why you don't want him to win. You're upset with him. Or where does the goon do their business? You know? Look, we can list all Popeye characters we know and we could hypothetically say.

We could. It does sound like the kind of thing that would happen on this podcast. It seems like it might have happened already. But keep in mind,

the longer you go, within, I'd say, five, you would run into one that is completely wrong. And listeners would comment that you are wrong about this Popeye mythology. Okay, see, hags, we work.

Great. There's something there. So, yeah, blue. I don't know. The thing I was about to say would tip a potential other matchup, so I won't even say that. Okay, yeah, no, let's save any, you know. But it's hard.

There's a cart. And here's also important. It's not a practical-looking cannon. It looks like a drawn cannon. That's the thing that makes it extra appealing, is because so much of this is rendering things from a cartoon in real space, like Bowser, too. It's like they actually made it look like,

to scale of what he looked like in the real world. This looks like a cartoon cannon, a cartoon treasure chest, and in the same way that minnie's office is so appealing this is so appealing this is why i'm voting for pluto realism kind of uh goes against uh i don't know sometimes it's not not the most fun to vote he's got a big trophy right yeah it's great he sure does uh i'll make sure that this photo is distributed so you all have it in front of you right um but we move now to the

next one um maybe the most interesting match-up in the entire affair the daily bugle from the amazing adventures of spider-man and island of islands of adventure versus the oval office in conservative pollsters conservative pollster frank luntz's house, if you didn't hear the pre-episode, you might be very confused as to how we got here. Well, we got here because the Spider-Man ride, I guess a lot of people like, and then obviously Frank Luntz's house was a sure shot from the beginning.

There was a discussion of, I threw out at the end of the pre-episode on the second gate, do we need to honor that across this country there are a lot of fake Oval Offices, exact recreations of Oval Offices typically in presidential libraries? There's a number of those that seem like a good category to honor. Mike, you somehow had the fact in your head that conservative pollster Frank Luntz has an Oval Office in his house.

You had that locked? You had that somewhere back in the recesses? Yeah, of course, yeah. It's something I don't know when I learned about it. There was definitely a period of time when I watched a lot of MSNBC and I guess to some degree CNN and Fox News to see what was going on. But it was very, I knew all the players. I still seem to know a lot of the players.

I don't watch a lot of that anymore because why would you watch any of it? But yes, Frank Luntz is a guy who is on these shows. He's on Fox News a lot, and then he comes on the liberal ones too. Right, once in a while. He represents the conservative POV. Yes. And I feel like he often does those very annoying-

Polls. Focus groups. Yes, that's what I meant. Does he do the focus folks where he's sitting on one side and then there's 10 people and and you are reminded that the median voter in america is insane like someone like an old woman will just come out and go like there should be universal income we're a country of plenty also every teacher should be fucking strapped every teacher should be armed but we should all have government health care and you're like what what is your life yeah what are you doing now this

is it is on us more than ever to try to take away the character of who's in the office because in a world where we've got indiana jones one of our favorite characters on earth and it's kind of impossible to untangle here we have a guy who frankly i didn't know about before now the thing i made a point of not learning more because i don't want it to be about him i want it to be about his office we also learned in this episode that there's a number of unusual things in his house i kept going and looking at more yeah uh one of them being that uh oh he has a bunch of uh written accounts of from people who were physically present when babe ruth called his shot when he pointed and then hit the home run where he pointed so he's got a bunch of people and then i looked up and i saw he pointed and i said why what for was he pointing out a

criminal stealing a purse in the crowd but sure enough no it was where he's gonna hit a home run and sure as hell he did seems like should be in a Library of Congress. Indiana Jones would say they belong in a museum. I wish this was the matchup. Maybe we can get it to be. I was going to say, if he wins, it could be. If the final, if it ends up being Indiana Jones versus Frank Luntz. All right. Jason's so upset at the evenness.

Here we go. Here we go. The Daily Bugle. All right. Let's go through the daily bugle this is a full not just an office but an office building one that has aged properly when it started it was a newspaper office in the 90s then newspapers went out of fashion. And now it's a perfect anachronistic setting of late 90s newspapers. And you got file folders.

You got the newspaper bullpen. You got a darkroom. You've got loading. You've got everything in here, including one of my unseen holy grails, that weird silver statue of J. Jonah Jameson in the overflow queue. All right, well, I can make lists too. You've got Kennedy's desk,

but Obama's chairs, and George W. Bush's side tables. And every president since Truman is represented in this greatest hits Oval Office. It's kind of the oval office that never was he's even got a buck stops here sign when you enter the room a curtain opens up and hail to the chief plays this is and keep in mind you know they have to dress things up for us in a theme park they've got paying customers in there but you know frank this is his home he didn't have to do that production value right he's

just having run-of-the-mill folks over you know like clint eastwood warren baity tim allen and tony blair he's just having salt of the earth people over maybe just to have a dinner in a chat and he gives them a little show and makes them reflect for a minute about the great history of the great men who run this country. Isn't that something? This is a dangerous... He should go to the El Salvador prison. We cannot trust this man in polite society. Well, it seems suddenly you all don't want to talk about Tim Allen as much as you usually do.

Well, that's... I do, but... He also... 45 minutes out of episode. Well, that's, I do, but he also, you know, 45 minutes out of episode. You know, obviously there's like fun whimsy and Spider-Man's cue, but obviously Frank also like in his area has Colonel Clink's outfit from Hogan's Heroes.

So he's a fan of movies, TV and music as well. So it's, you're getting sort of an Elseworlds where Colonel Clink is hanging out with the presidents now hang on let's don't talk comic book language trying to tip it don't try to tip my world you might say in frank luntz's oval right frank luntz has his own universe okay the daily bugle has my other friends betty brandt robbie whose last name I forget, Ben Urick, J. Jonah Jameson. Yes, but. That's the office I want to visit and live in.

But Frank, when his mother died, he thought about how in his rise in politics, he was never able to take his dear mother to the Oval Office, despite all the access that he got. And so when she died, he thought, what better way to honor her memory than to do a full-scale, multi-million dollar recreation of the Oval Office in my house? Wouldn't mom be proud? Are you proud of me now, mom, wherever you are? What's that? Troubling. It's troubling.

Okay, it is troubling. His political views are wrong but i tried i don't even know what they are that's how much i am locking i've locked myself out of whatever the hell this guy is like a decorum republican guy we're like mr trump in his rudeness that being said oh he's yeah he likes still he's just to trump too you know like a lincoln project i think by the way i think that's what the deal i don't, he's tsk-tsk to Trump, too. Like a Lincoln Project site. By the way, I think that's what the deal is. I don't know if he's a fully Lincoln Project, but that's another discussion. As a man who has a big collection, me, Michael, I have to appreciate the effort into recreating something you love, not with a budget of a theme theme park but a budget of a humble pollster

a humble a humble newsman brentwood living pollster yes is the this the episode where eight years and i finally burst into tears i think mike yeah mike and i are mostly talking to each other while we do this and then we will turn over and see Jason's face. And now your face is like shrunk as we like so much are you scrunching that it feels like your features are smaller in your head because you're glaring so much. I already have the deal like social media this year has been like, oh, and then wicked, wicked. OK, that could be Dr. Doom could be wicked launching and the defying gravity on the incredible hulk coaster and that is this that's like rotten disney of like just calls

them rotten to even suggest that dr doom becomes wicked i think doing a hit move like box office hit of the year and transforming 26 yearyear-old Watt rides is insane when they're full of expansion pads at Universal Parks. That's my thing. But I'm like, the thought of losing my friends, Spider-Man and the X-Men, I'm like, that might be the thing that start going falling down, you know. Well, I don't want to cause that in this room. If I win.

Jason is trying to emotionally manipulate me right now into voting for Spider-Man without working out my feelings about Frank Lutz. He is holding me hostage right now with his mental health. That's what Sucks on the Green Goblin would do. Yes, it is. I think it's insidious, quite frankly. I do it. Yeah, I am.

Yeah. The Hobgoblin in that ride, for whatever reason. I'm doing geeky guests like girl boss to you, you know, trying to get what I want. That is what he's trying to do. And we've never had a situation in a Final Four like this before where I am being manipulated into not express. I'm just expressing thoughts. We needed to work this out in case Frank Lutz doesn't go any further.

We need this. This needs to be a safe space for holding space, if that term's even still allowed, or if it goes against your expansion ideas. Unlike the president, I will honor the votes of this election. So, you know, I'm throwing my hat in for the Daily Bugle. You guys can say whatever you want, and I'll honor it. Okay?

Winner, winner, lose. The ball's in our court now. This game of chicken. Frank Luntz and J. Jonah Jameson are similar types of people in a way. I think they would appreciate each other. He just wants to impact in the media. Pictures of Spider-Man. Right, but politically, I bet they align.

Let's be honest. At least on a lot of issues. I would have to read you know run for office in the past he's been mayor of new york the kingpin's been mayor of new york uh matt murdoch's been district attorney of course of course uh yeah so i don't i don't know where he lies probably more median voter jay jonas jameson probably would be in the type of frank luntz's focus groups that's probably right um there's a lot of great little things about spider-man you know it says like ditko place you know there's little references to spider-man's creators only match up in on earth

i think where you would not be just like frothing with spider-man excitement this is the only this is like how did it land here i don't know that's just the happens that's happenstance look mike's role on the show one of them is he's just asking questions you know yes i am yes and i try to work things out i don't want it i don't always want to just go you know what you guys are going with your guts today i'm not i'm going with my brain i'm going with my guts today. I'm not. I'm going with my brain. I'm going with my thoughts, not my belly. So what are you going to go with? Now the curtain slides back. Choose your favorite, Michael.

Scotter. I am being emotionally manipulated. Oh, that doesn't help. Yeah. That's a one-way ticket to Luntzville. I am being emotionally manipulated. Oh, that doesn't help. Yeah. That's a one-way ticket to Luntzville. I am being emotionally manipulated here. Frank Luntz owns a recreation of Monica Lewinsky's Blue Dress. That is true.

Again. Doesn't he own something that the Beach Boys used to record pet sounds? Yes, yeah. Some box, I don't know. Equalizer. Imagine you could record an amazing classic album in the Oval Office. That changes the scenario. It's not just the presidents.

It's a different thing. Imagine they record a Beach Boys album in the Oval Office. That's reality in Frank Luntz's mouth. Well, that's the most likely to happen in 2025 Than it's ever been before They recorded quite a bit in the office It's called the Nixon tapes Yeah, they were in there

We agree with Lenny Don't listen to my wild-haired brother Dennis I like what you're saying, Dick Aren't as good, sadly That guy knew Manson Can't trust him Lock him up. I think the Spider-Man ride is held up just amazingly.

The updates they've done to it. It's still one of the top three, five rides on the planet Earth. It just won another award. It's such a good ride. For legacy. The queue isn't as fun as the, like the queue is really good. The ride is amazing. I love the ride.

But. How crazy are we? How crazy are we is the question. You just got to stare each other in the eyes, figure it out. Normally I would edit out this long space. Are we going to go? No, no, no.

This is part of it, I think, is it's real. This is real. It's real. We got to look each other in the eyes. We got to look Jason in the eyes. Jason is bracing as if his plane is going down. He's holding. I think the audience is too.

I think you will never see a bigger turn away from Mike and Scott. Now, as we talk, I start to feel powerful. Mike is like, finally, John Cena turns heel on Cody Rhodes. Heel Michael. I feel the power flowing through my body right now. Scott is like the rock and he's just dragging his finger across his throat. My eyes are closed. My eyes are closed and My eyes are closed.

And I am ready to ascend to a higher plane as I make one of the most important decisions of my life, not just this show. What am I going to choose? Frank Luntz's Oval Office Recreation or the Spider-Man queue from Islands of Adventure? Which one? Which one?

Air dripping with tension. That's what it's all about right here. This is going to be the final, I think, either way. The final two. The final two. We just have to make the toughest call. We're going to breeze through the rest, but we're making the toughest one right now. The toughest call right now, unfortunately.

That's just how this works sometimes when we do these. I am going to choose. I know. What do you think I'm going to say? I know what you're going to say. You're going to say Frank Luntz's office. We don't know that. We don't know that.

Scott, what do you think I'm going to say? I don't think I know either. Jason thinks I know what you're going to say. You're going to say Frank Luntz's office. We don't know that. We don't know that. Scott, what do you think I'm going to say? I don't think I know either. Jason thinks I know. I think you'll chance the last minute veer that you sense Spidey in your heart. And I think you've been wearing that Hot Stuff the Little Devil t-shirt a lot. And some of his wiliness has rubbed off on you. Does Frank Luntz have a life-size hot stuff the little devil in his office? I don't know.

We don't know. Remember, you've got to take his collection and stuff out of there. You think so? Yeah, it's all in the office. You can't bring things from his other rooms in. You can't bring his Babe Ruth letters in here. Yeah, because doesn't he have a mini mart or a supermarket or something? No, and Frank's market doesn't count.

And Frank's diner doesn't count either. All the things in this bad man's house. But... But he could bring things into the office and then they're part of it. Here's the thing also. It's not static like these other offices. He can move things around. That

gives an advantage to it. He's more likely to yes, to update things and to add items from, you know, each new horrendous president who is elected to run this country. He could add the Diet Coke button or the basket of poison. Right, that makes it special. That makes it modular. That makes it a different type of experience that's unlike any of the other experiences on this list. And an experience we'll never have unless this episode causes us to get invited

to Frank Luntz's house. We are going to the house once this episode comes out. No one has talked about this dumb office as much as we have. It was a Hollywood Reporter article from 2016. And no one knows. This has been dormant ever since. Right. And for some reason

I know I saw some news show where he was giving a tour of it and went, oh my God. And then you said the phrase, and I've just been in love ever since. There's been little hearts of flutter next to my head ever since this magical phrase was said. But I'll say this, we've talked about it so much so that I think the chunk we've done now on it is enough to get us invited as I vote for Spider-Man. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Well, then I will say to honor all of this, that I think I will use my vote to honor not Frank Lentz the man, but Frank Lentz's Oval Office in his house. It's not about him. It's about the desk. It's about the horse riding statue. It's not about his american flag shoes which are unfortunate and i think if i'd shown you that right before i would have pushed you deeper into spider-man viewpoint might call those uh very disrespectful

walking on the flag every day trump requires america he wants people to have red white and blue in their hair that's the preferred uniform these days. That Musk boy took a shit on the carpet. Go scoop it up with your American flag shoes. All right. Well, that finally completes the spacious 16. It was certainly spacious in the amount of time we took to talk about it. Mike, I thank you for creating that tension

and for giving this strange discovery a little bit of shine. But can we call for breaks in the episode? If we were going to put in a break, let's put one here. And when we come back, the ergonomic eight. Okay, we are back now. Fake office funnel for the ergonomic eight. Nice and pared down, you know? Not as spacious as it was.

And I like where we focused. I think this is a very strong, you know, all jokes aside, I think this is the right group of eight. I feel good about it. I do think that we should do the mental exercise in the other categories. Could Luntz have beat it?

I think that's a question we can ask of a number of these uh because it would just it would just be interesting to know um i agree so let's start with uh back in the territory of jungle makeshifts where we landed at the daughter's observatory and adventureland treehouse versus indiana jones's office um okay let's i think now we really got to put india under the microscope and details become important i know something people liked to point out uh when this was brand new was the life magazine there's a life magazine from the 30s with mickey mouse on the cover um there's you know with all of these with the jungle makeshifts, it just kind of becomes, yeah, there's a lot of stuff. Yeah.

Maps. They sure do got maps. There they are. Is there a telegram or a message from, um, what's his- Sala or the guy in the white suits that always show up in the, like his, uh, his guy, his minder or his fixer? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Paul, the character in the first movie, what are we talking about? Paul, was the guy who plays Ivan Ooze? Yes, actually. Paul Freeze you're talking about? No, Paul Freeze. No, no. Jesus. What is his name?

I can't think of his name. I don't know either. It's Paul something, right? Ivan Ooze? Yeah, I think there's something like that. Paul Freeman. Close. F-R-E-E.

I was completely wrong. You've got a crate that says, Deliver to Club Obi-Wan. Yeah. From Temple of Doom. Yes. Not just a Star Wars reference, but the club. With the Mandarin Anything Goes performance.

Yes, yes, right. Let's see. You know, you got maps, you got bulletin board, you got stuff in that Mara Temple language. You know, a lot of details, good Easter eggy stuff. His professorial side is represented. Meanwhile, Adventureland Treehouse, just such a relaxing space, sense of uh of wonder there

yeah um it's uh yeah what can i say it's just uh it's it's just really nice splashes of color that i think may i think the color makes it stand out among the other jungle makeshifts i think that's why i sort of cut through yeah past um ever like. Let's talk about vibes, though. I mean, Indiana Jones, yes, the office might have a lot of interesting things in it, but it looks a little depressing to actually maybe work there. It looks cool from the context of it being in a ride or a movie, but if you were actually using it as an office it's got dim light you'd want to put out more lights in there you want to organize things a little bit better eventually a treehouse is ready to go ready to use you could walk right in there bring your computer start working no problem which i think is a strike in its favor and to uh observe the stars and Exactly. I don't think I realized how many telescopes we were running to.

Bowser has one. This has one. And a fun Gilligan's Island one. Right. As if a professor invention. And I don't know. It's going to get hot. It's neat.

It's inventive. Yeah. In Indiana Jones. It's got that old fan there. Well, it might here too. I don't know where this treehouse is meant to live, but that could be an incredibly humid jungle atmosphere. But maybe, I don't know, the canopy might be just right.

It might be the most comfortable room in the house from what I could tell. Again, I haven't been to this in person. Did it strike you at all when you were there or was this just like a room that you walked through among others? The whole thing strikes me and this was one of the specific rooms that I liked. Okay. Especially when you do this walkthrough, this treehouse at night at Disneyland, and you get to see the views of Disneyland, which are perfect.

If you get a nice sunset, that's even better. But then you get to, yeah, look at the different rooms. And this one specifically did stand out to me on the couple times that I've done it. I am willing to right now say it's the observatory in the treehouse. And I'm surprised that I'm saying that because I just didn't know it. And I'm glad it was suggested. I had to go on a little hunt for what is the office. But it's this and maybe observatory.

I guess labs are out, but observatories are in. I'm fine with that. And I think itatories are in. I'm fine with that. And I think it's very nice. I'm going with that. I just think even without the presence of Dr. Jones, his, as the kids say, aura is so strong. The vibes are so good. And you think about how Indiana Jones

like whips out books or maps or diagrams and doesn't even hesitate, just so confidently uses stuff and that's why it's all laid out as it is. Well, it's just, there's no real rhyme or reason for the layout. I think he brings the rhyme and reason. He knows exactly what he's looking for and where it is.

Makes sense in his head. I mean, I like the idea of a character being evident in the way that they have set up their office. I think you find that whatever takes it all the way, that might be a facet of it. So I think I have to go with Indiana Jones. But I know I'm waiting a lot of the, what do they call it? The intangibles. I'm going to pull that sports term I only half understand. The intangibles are in play at Indy's.

So, you can't quantify or qualify. Yeah. Vibes. Vibes. Yeah. I mean, kind of like Frank's office. Yeah. Like Frank's office. Big good vibes in there. If it was Indiana Jones or it was Frank. I mean, kind of like Frank's Office. Yeah. Like Frank's Office.

Yeah. Big, good vibes in there. If it was Indiana Jones or it was Frank's Office, I would have voted Frank's Office. What about another one? I'm voting Treehouse. Treehouse. Wow. Interesting.

How about that? I think it's the way to go. I think actually, you know, sometimes you want to vote for like a foundational office in the area, like in Jungle Makeshifts, as I said, but this feels like a foundational office in the area like in jungle makeshifts as i said but this feels like a good evolution like a um you know it it shows what they can do now and how good the the set design and production design of these spaces is when they let uh imagineers in the town of people who work there go nuts people love it when a 16 seed knocks out a one seed, you know? That's right. Do you think it was Indiana Jones 1, you think?

Just from the fame of the occupier, maybe. That's true. Indiana Jones is a very famous character. The daughter? Is it Swiss family? Well, it's inspired by Swiss family. It's a different family. It's a different family.

Do we have names here? I don't think so. I forget, though. I don't remember specifically if there are. Interesting. This is probably in a three-ring binder on a shelf in Imagineering. There's a whole backstory. There better be.

Yeah, it better be. Just like there's pages and pages of port of entry lore that may be lost to time. Mm-hmm. Well. That's why you've got to break into Universal Creative and get your hands on it. You have to pull an Indiana Jones heist. I need to grab a box of floppy disks. Then I need to find a floppy disk reader.

Then I need to find a floppy disk reader that I can convert to USB-C. Oh, man. If it's taking you so long to put that printer together, you're not going to get that floppy disk drive. Michael, that's what I'm saying. I'm fucked. Yeah. I'm going to have to go back to Pennsylvania and get my college desktop booted up. Does that still exist? Oh yeah, it's still got the

snakes on a plane background on the desktop. Really? Three custom backgrounds for your desktop. Get snake fever. I don't think the countdown clock Three custom backgrounds for your desktop. Wow. Get Snake Fever. I don't think the countdown clock to Snake Sonopling works anymore because it's long release. You won't want this mother bleeping desktop off your mother bleeping computer.

Wow. You've got to go home and get that. All right. So winner of Jungle Makeshifts, Adventureland Treehouse. Kind of surprising, but I really like it. When you really look at it, when you study it, and that takes us to Toon Den's Mini's Office vs. Bowser's Study. My god. Ooh.

Ooh. um i there's there like let me just shout out some other details in bowser that i think are neat if there's just good books throughout uh a brief history of moo moo meadow jumped out at me it's a lot of it's just like he's like not only is he just trying to win at mario kart he is like boning up on the entire history of it despite like he must have been like fundamental in the like making of it right maybe not i don't know what in the creation of the official what race organization that mario kart is a part of yeah you would think i mean he's always been one been one of the primary. He's always been in the eight, in that elite eight. He has, that's true. But I guess he could just be an invited guest

to compete in it. It's true, it's true. Doesn't necessarily mean that he's part of the board. Yeah. I suppose. Probably not, no. They probably try to keep him away. But maybe there's sort of a peace offering to him to allow him to compete.

That's the way I'm thinking about it off the top of my head. Yeah. But I don't know. It's a fair assessment. But I just like that there is a vast library with so many, like, these are rare rewards in a truly punishing line. Not in terms of detail and cool stuff but in terms of length and if you're gonna make people stand in a line like that and then the only ride they get is blah um then you know these these books are a real treat the art of balloon battle why good things happen to bad

people i like that they're all big old thick ones they these aren't half chubs. They're full chubs of books. And it's, yeah, it's just, I don't know. As far as this queue, I think, really competes with Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway in terms of stuff, details that you got to stop and look at that are worth taking pictures of that make it worth actually doing the queue at least once. Right. Yes. Is this throne, is that chair in the queue? Call officer, do I have my geography wrong? I yes um is this throne is that chair in the office or am i do i have my geography wrong i think there is a throne i'm looking at a really specific photo the one i'm looking at has a big like creepy furnace that kind of has a face and tusks and i like that when like the furniture when they can get like the decor of a place to feel like the character and they

definitely do here um big throne i'm not sure there's a bit like there's a big like work desk i just love that they like that it elaborates on the history of that he that he he's the god of all of these villains yeah he made the i was okay help me out who are the little characters from mario 2 who wear the little masks and cloaks oh oh great question not the shy guys no no shy guys are in the other unless i think i'm thinking of shy guys i think are you thinking of shy guy well here's the what i wanted you to regardless of who i'm thinking of i wanted you to say shy guys and to help me out because i swear to god i was about to say try guys i was so close to saying and

bowser created the try guys these are the shy guys i think yeah that's what i mean yes them yeah yeah yeah yeah no wait no wait oh wait show me again no you're showing me a photo you're talking about different you're showing me three guys on a couch making the scariest apology video you've ever seen in your life no that's not from that's a different thing you had that one shy guy that was filmed making out with burdo who who was a food burdo how could he resist that big luscious mouth who doesn't want to spin with burdo oh burdo um they were at a uh i'm trying to think they were at an iggy they were at an Iggy Koopa concert. How could they resist? Minnie, okay, there's not as much room, sadly, because there's so many details in Bowser.

So Minnie just doesn't have the luxury of space there. I will like to point out that on the screen, I don't think we talked about this, of Minnie's computer, her heart-shaped computer, saying it's A lot of it's done for fashion Like her fashion work But on the computer It says Minnie's email

Oh Now this I made an assumption here I thought that this was A fashion design thing Or like it's Because it's for Literally it's for kids

Like to paint her Right But what is Wait show me this again So it says Minnie's email Yeah and it'll have her friends mickey mouse donald duck goofy uh uh daisy duck i almost said daffy uh chippendale uncle scrooge and roger rabbit those are the characters on here and then you know she's

deleted that email nobody taught we don't talk to that guy anymore with roger he's he's blocked the email does say mouse look instead of outlook they're trying to get kids accustomed to working man get them into the office early neon i like that tone i like that bit yeah so each each character has a different color and or pattern corresponds so that is also how minnie's computer works it's a good idea by the way it's simpler friends right so she's got like roger is green uncle scrooge is blue is darker blue goofy's like blue Chip and Dale are stripes. Her technological innovations make me want to give her more credit here.

And she's also got a picture of herself like Bluto does. She has a picture of herself on the screen for some reason, waving. I don't know why she would- Does that mean an empty inbox? He cleaned it all out. I think this is just the address book part of the email. Did Minnie invent her own Clippy that is her? Oh, maybe.

Because if so, then this is one of the most innovative computer systems ever made. Yeah. So she can do all sorts of work with that interesting keyboard is what I'm assuming from this video. Okay, well, thank you for the correction and for the enlightenment. It is not just for fashion design. It's not just for fashion design. She can email Scrooge McDuck. That's right.

Try to get him in. I also want to shout out this little area, which is like the Chez Lounge, by the window here. That is a nice little area as well. But now let me say this. That's true, but now we're a little bit more in like she fits some home office into more of like a parlor, a makeup room, a bedroom. Perhaps. But this is also, you know, this was pre-Zoom.

This was her carving out space for a home office where there wasn't necessarily space. So she was kind of a pioneer in that way. Yes. So ultimately, if Minnie had the real estate that Bowser does, I feel like she would handily beat him. But sadly, because she doesn't, you have to give it to Bowser, I think. Okay. Jason.

I'm thinking Bowser, tooowser too again he's very mono focused on what he does he's got personal attachments he seems to be working on bettering himself though so you think reading educating that's endearing him to me why do good things happen to bad people you know there's kind of like a it's not just he's not just treating it like a race like there's um you know there's a psychological study in it for him yeah if we think of offices as where people are doing their business doing their thing i think it's bowser because many like mickey, might be kind of a cipher in many ways. What?

Excuse me? Those are fighting words. Like she can do any job. She's a scuba diver. Then she's a model. Then she's an explorer. Then she's a, you know, you paint stuff onto these characters, you know bowser can do multiple things though too bowser can do multiple things but he usually comes back to center back to his normal his true

love his true life of villainy something that something i think we should all love and admire about minnie is her versatility well yeah that's true i for one celebrate that but maybe that's just me that's just me. That's just me, too. I celebrate Minnie in all the different things she's got. All right, all right. You have your spot. Maybe that's just how I see things and how I view women,

but I like that they can do whatever they put their mind to. Yeah, but I look at Bowser. I have to go with Bowser. Bowser it is. But that said, Bowser crushes Minnie. I didn't expect it coming in. All right. Yeah, me neither. I know. know i didn't think i had to even go like there is a office in there right and once you meditate on it it's pretty it's pretty undeniable one uh okay we go to the sci-fi category men in black

versus guardian collector's office shit yeah tough one definitely tough one um okay we kind of we didn't say a lot about guard obviously guardians is a extremely well-themed room there you got a lot going on on the shelf oh yeah uh the walkman that is eventually stolen by rocket um great stuff on the desk you you pointed out this uh excess tech uh detail that i that forgot about. It's a real good chair. It's not big like a throne, but it's ornate like a throne. He's got a quill. He's got a big chalice. Like it's sort of a, I don't know, you get a sense of the character.

There's grandeur, just enough sci-fi and comic book to it. There's two different kind of slightly different versions that you can get to in the actual queue itself with slightly different artifacts. Are they different from each other, really? Yeah. Oh. One of them has Agent Coulson's big gun from the Avengers in it, and the other does not.

So I like the variation there. And I'll say this about being in this physical space. My enjoyment of being in this physical space i my enjoyment of being in this little room is as high as it ever going on at the 50th time is just as fun being in this little room than the first time yeah i have to agree this fucking room you know what it has and i feel like you brought a lot uh brought it up a lot in the past intimacy that's thank you it's warm it's it's cozy but it holds a lot of people but it's still very intimate it's very intimate and i mean like we're not even counting the fact that rocket the animatronic

stuff happens in here i guess technically does that count well that's just bad opsec, you know, if he can get in that easy and snatch that. So my PS chart against it. I think you can't count it because the collector doesn't want him in there. I know. He's not supposed to be there. But it is something that happens. Obviously, it's the main thing that happens in the room.

Right. Mark, in its favor, maybe the the only one but one that's referred to a lot as the collector's office is that right you mean they specifically say that they call it an office yeah um yes now but let me let me throw out the like do you like does anybody really want to work in here? This is a pretty oppressive space. I mean, it's cool. But, like, just in the office or in the whole building?

No, office. The rest isn't an office. The rest is a, what is it? There's a museum or something. It's a fortress? It's a fortress. Well, Mike and I have both made offices surrounded with knickknacks and creatures and books and comics. It's a little dim in there, but I do think you can get the light. I bet it's more adjustable than that Indiana Jones, which is like probably single light bulb or something hanging.

You'd have to like bring stuff in. I bet there's like a dimmer switch in the collector's office. When it's just him, he's probably like, he brightens it up a little bit. He's trying to scare and intimidate all the guests. So it is a little too dark for me, and it would be nice to have open air and windows, but my collector brain likes the way everything's laid out and the little things that are in there. So I would find it cool to work in there yeah he boy he needs uh the brutalist himself laszlo toff to come in and get some

more light in that place huh uh mark against men in black personally i hate open office spaces oh really yeah yeah i think there are press i think it was meant to be like hip and cool and we're all just hanging out but also there's nefarious like and we can all keep an eye on you that's yes yeah yeah that's a good point um but i think it's a different because that's not a that's not like cool mod you know it's like it's you know, it's more like a police office or a government office in that way. It's just like, you know, yes, there's lots of space, but, you know, hundreds of people. It's like a detective's bullpen, like, or a newsman, like the Daily Bugle,

or I've been playing through L.A. Noire on the Switch, and you start every mission in and the detective's assignment room, and it's big bullpen kind of thing. It's also not oppressive like an open office concept because the furniture is great. Yes. Somebody said sterile. I wouldn't say that because these are probably the desks that I would want.

There's this – I wouldn't say sterile. I'd say minimalist. I'd say maud. Just the brightest white, the sleekest white. The chairs are fantastic. Awesome, like 60s plus, this like round, googie kind of style. I really like the the big pillars i really like uh like the like kind of the big unmovable like this like the steel fixtures with

the you know with the circles uh uh very bright yes bright white and i feel like they keep up with cleaning that white those Those crazy chairs that are like bulbous, kind of like ball sack-y in lack of a better term. There's kind of like a little lounge area that's under one of the catwalks

and the catwalks are cool. I love the perspective that you have on it. I love looking down. Obviously there's this fact that you can ask people to go looking down um you know obviously there's uh there's this fact that you can ask people to go take a tour potentially i don't know if that's still the case but at least at some point in time you could ask a universal team member can i go look around there and walk up to the desks and it's cool from that vantage point as well uh any view of this you have the big console is great the two aliens are great uh the you have, the big console is great. The two aliens are great.

The screen is great. The big cool egg that they watch all the arrivals on. It feels very lived in. I don't think sterile at all. Because I sense some hustle and bustle. I sense activity. You know it's fun to work at the Men in Black. It seems like it would be fun to work at the Men in Black. And I, look, I hear what you're saying.

There's a lot of truth to it. But let me put this out there. As a collector, as a collector of things, and we're talking about the collector's office. He's a collector of things. Let me read some of the other things he has in the office. Because ultimately, what I find in my real life is when I'm working, I like to be working next to a big wall of shit that I've collected.

And the shit has to be stuff I like because you're trying to think of something. You're trying to finish something. You look over at your shit and you go, ah. You should make that noise in your head. So I think that the collector in the office has cool shit that would make you go ha so it would appeal to me now obviously it's his taste if i was in there maybe i would add some things to it if i was working but he's got the head of tom morrow a robotic the robotic character from rocket to the moon and interventions wow he's got He's got a Mickey and Minnie vintage toy,

which I've never seen in person. Really? That's listed on there. He's got a book with the Hollywood Tower Hotel bookmark inside. He's got the Super Soldier Serum. Wow. He's got, there's a couple, there's a bunch of these things. He's got some book that's a reference to Joe Rohde.

He's got a vintage map of Disneyland. He's got a head from the doll, a from small world these are these are things i want i want a little vial and i want a doll from small world's head yes but sometimes all that shit gets a little oppressive well that's another conversation to be having that i don't want to have right now yeah so what you what you own ends up owning you they say this is why he doesn't allow his mom to see his shelves that's right because she'll say this is too much and he's still both delighted and nervous when his daughter is like doing laps and don't touch that and don't touch that i've had a super glue

many a toy at this point because of breaks for my daughter. It's like the theme park rides. You've had to lock it all down. We go in and play. We were playing this morning. She was playing with Leatherhead, the wrestling Leatherhead from Nega Toys. She loves Leatherhead. All right. So there are some toys to play with.

What are you saying she has to play with? I'm not insane. She plays with everything. It's fine. Only some toys are superglued. But resentment can build. Yeah, I resent her. I resent my two-year-old.

Her foolishness. All the arguments you're making are great, but this cue is great. When we had this idea, when the list was quickly made, when Jason first said it, the shot of joy I got thinking about this bullpen. Yeah, it's great.

Yeah, it's wonderful. It's Men in Black. It's Men in Black for me. It's great, but I'm going collector. I went back about this bullpen. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's wonderful. It's Men in Black. It's great, but I'm going collector. I went back and forth a lot. I wasn't sure I was one, then the other, then the one. I gotta go with Scott on this one. Yeah. Wow. Yay. Dint, dint, dint, dint.

You know what, Jason? Now I'm mad. Here comes the Men in Black. Jason, now I'm mad that I didn't vote for Frank Luntz. Okay. Well, cheer yourself up by going to nod your head. Black suits coming in. Jason thinks that's the superior song of the two. It's pretty fun. No, I didn't say it's...

I like it. I don't say it's... I might put it like... Because one is just kind of like an overplayed hit of the time. The other was so audacious in its mythology and this Chick Serlina right and the way that it didn't really take, no matter how much they aired it on MTV. I think I would choose to listen to Black Suit's Common, though it's not the better.

But if you made me, if you put a gun to my head and said, which Man in Black song do you want to listen to? I'd say, what? That's the gun to the head and said which Men in Black song do you want to listen to I'd say what that's the gun to the head challenge the video has those things they're flying on and they're soaring the video's not better than the first video well I didn't say it was better

although that alien he dances with is pretty yeah he does dance with the alien weren't you like working out to me yeah I was I was doing an early part of it nod your heads uh fell in love with a girl is this it uh nelly furtado the idea that you were listening to fell in love with nelly furtado you were listening to nod your head and fell in love with a girl is really good is it a treadmill or an elliptical?

Like one of those ones that had a resistance band and it swung the pedals back. So I think elliptical. Yeah, yeah. Fell in Love with a Girl, swing, swing. I'm like a bird, want to elliptical away. From like 7 a.m. to 10 before programming started, VH1 would just loop music videos and you didn't know what you were going to get.

A great blend whether you're a teen or a 50-something. Yeah. All right. Well, now we land back at the grab bag, which has become another cartoon area, perhaps not surprisingly. Bluto's office and conservative pollst uh all right sorry i was careful yeah i think i was just like i was practicing in the mirror for so long this

morning that i was just ready for it so let me oh what is it all right the daily bugle right amazing adventures you knew what you're doing you were being a scamp like we know what jason says but it is seemingly she should be conflicted, I think, because it's Popeye and it's Spider-Man. Well, it's Islands of Adventure against Islands of Adventure. A true Sophie's Choice for Jason. This is a tough one. Implying any faults in anything in Islands of Adventure is a very difficult thing for

him to do. But you do have to pick a favorite. That makes me interested to start with Jason's thoughts here. I'd love to start with Jason. Yeah, because you'll be the most conflicted here, I think. Well, yeah, but... Except one is Spider-Man. Yeah, that's what...

I like Popeye and Bluto, but I love Spider-Man. If Popeye, Mary, Spider-Man, and bluto but i love spider-man f popeye mary spider-man uh kill conservative pollster frank once sorry mike it's not what i do bluto's office um well maybe so maybe there's no conflict then i guess not i guess it's spider-man for jason, I think it's got to be Spider-Man for me. I mean, it's so detailed and so office-y. Yeah. Pluto is like a nice quick hit, but it's a gag more than an office. I'm a little surprised that it made it as far as it did, it being like the tiniest caged office.

But I think it really is just a virtue of that. He's got a trophy and treasure. He's got the cannon and he's got treasure. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. But yeah, I got to say Spider-Man. Come on. It's Spider-Man.

It's Daily Peep. Like this is where, like obviously this is correct. I just wish it hadn't have been because let me ask you this, Mike. Bluto versus Frank Luntz. That's interesting. We don't have time. Yeah, I know. We can't go back to ones that were not yet. We don't have time Yeah I know We can't go back to ones That were not

We don't have time This is about Yes Making choices Not doing rematches That can't exist We have to keep plowing We have moved

From the ergonomic eight To the What do I call it The feng shui four A little cleaner Than the Fax Machine 4. Oh, that would have been good too, yes. Except not just how they all have. But this is the, wait, this is the final four.

We have made it to, all right. So that means that what we consider, at least per these matchups, the best four fake offices in Theme Parkdom, the Observatory from Adventureland Treehouse, Bowser's Study, Men in Black, Headquarters, and the Daily Bugle. That's a really good list. Wow. I think that's an excellent list. And now I like that we've got some diversity in style because the very realistic and, you know,

tropical Adventureland Treehouse goes against Bowser's Study. These are two extremely different vibes. Now, Mario Kart in the final four of any game. Yeah, who would have thought? Is a real shocker. I, hmm, I got, I have no immediate thoughts here. I'm working through it. But we need to do it while we record.

I can't just go silent. You cannot tell me to turn the mics off. No. That's not how we worked with this. Does anyone have a strong knee jerk? Either way or an angle on one of these that was not already had. It's a good question. I think

that... Hmm. We're just doing the first two. Yes. Okay. Trias, Bowser. The young girl's hopes and dreams versus the ultimate villain's den of villainy. Yeah.

A place where he creates weapons of war and cute, if harmful, minions. The thing is, Bowser does everything. It is cute. That's the problem. And I guess, look, that is also part of, in real life, too if somebody is is nice but evil if they they say things if they have decorum this is a big argument you have sometimes with somebody like a frank luntz who ultimately they you know they agree with the same evil principles and and viewpoints but they want the politicians to do it nicely they want to say it with a smile

and don't you think bowser in a lot of ways by making his weapons smile and making them cute he's doing a lot of the same things that a frank luntz would do they want a similar they have a similar approach bowser really is modern american politics isn't he that's what i'm saying do it with a smile right wow so maybe maybe we should not be swayed by the cuteness of bowser's office and we should not overlook the destruction that he will no doubt yeah reek and that a vote for bowser is a vote for kind of this gross faux masculinity like if you went to a restaurant that served steak that's the ultimate height of it yes i agree with you don't you dare if arthur and sons had an office we don't we so we have gotten a glimpse of arthur and sons the soon tobe-open downtown Disney steak and bourbon restaurant. A disgusting glimpse.

I didn't see an office, like a themed office there to add to this, because I would probably pick an 11th hour, or I would make an 11th hour choice to replace the Daily Bugle with the Arthur and Sons office, but it hasn't happened, so I won't.

Look, we already had Franklin's game. That's too many things bad enough for talking about bowser's office where he goes to stew after he betrays his friend of decades the innocent kyle glass you know well it's kyle gas first of all but you're saying because he thought was yeah that was a lot of levels to get to a joke with a very wrong name. Jack Black is Bowser in the movies. Yes, and he sings a silly song. Broke up within that brief time where he couldn't sing. So, I just want to make sure everybody understands what we are voting for or against here, because it is a lot more insidious than it seems sure um i pulled

up a video of the queue and i immediately landed on a close-up of a big book that says dental hygiene for chain chomps i am choosing bowser's game on that alone i love everyone these books are so good we were so uh like we we've been so mean to this land but every everything in here if it was all like this like rich details for a kid who grew up playing mario and even that i think would be fun if even if you just vaguely understood the character yeah you know and the mythology um yeah. You know, and the mythology. Yeah. And it's also. Grooming the motorways.

You get friendly landscaping. That's so good. You got to give it to this ride also for showing you something about Bowser that you cannot see elsewhere. It's creating new lore. Yeah. You really get into his head, don't you? Oh, I'm voting for evil as well.

All right, a vote for evil. Jason, do you want to do that? That gives it to Bowser, but do you want to cast the vote officially? Do you want to do your- Oh, yeah, I was going to say Adventureland just because I think it's cute and it's got lots of natural light. That's nice. It is very nice. I can't disagree with that.

But I can't disagree with your guys' affection for this place. I can't believe- Embrace our embrace of evil. Geez. Yeah, yeah. But I can't disagree with your guys' affection for this place. I can't believe. Our embrace of evil. Geez. Yeah, yeah. Let's see. So that takes us then to, this is a heavy hitter for sure.

I kind of, yeah, it seemed like a place that it all might go. Men in Black versus Daily Bugle. Oof. These are my, yeah, these are my guys. Universal. Yeah, I know. I'm dealing with your guys. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. I mean, Jason knows.

Let's be honest. I mean, it's still Daily Bugle for me. Okay, all right. So it becomes that we talk about it. Mike, I'm going to show you a photo. Yeah, go ahead. Not to just cut to the photo. Something that is clever about the daily bugle

styling is that it is painted like a comic book where you know foreground details are more fleshed out and then background details just kind of fall into more simple color. Right. And I think that's cool and clever. However, you end up with things like this. A bunch of gray donuts and fruits and weird croissants that they haven't repainted. Gray croissants that are chipping away their paint through the years. Yeah. This image, this is not a good image.

I'm not saying that I'm not going to vote for it, but come on. This gray hamburger, what is this? Well, doesn't that reflect the decaying of the newspaper economy in America? Surely that's what they were thinking. I like your rationalization, but there were a bunch of weird gray donuts

at this place in 99 too yeah yeah there was some gray huh let okay hmm do you know what you're voting for you don't have to i'm just wondering if you do not not totally locked in here's what i'll say about spider-man it's great i'm a huge spider-man huge marvel fan okay they are trying to recreate comic book art in real life now more pop party than the kind of grays and browns of the MCU. Well, yes, yes. More like a comic versus actually what it looks like with the slop, the background CGI slop looks like oftentimes in the movies.

I think that I have been shown through toys and through other different themed environments, that the way in which they've made sort of a cell-shaded environment, the Spider-Man, to me, looks a little outdated at this point. And I looked and I remembered that there's a South Korean cafe that has tried to recreate its space to make it look like a comic or a comic strip. Really? It is so cool looking. Whoa. Wow.

They have come a long way. Well, what you're showing us is essentially just black and white. It is black and white. It's a completely limited color palette. I think there are color ones. There's a woman in full color, obviously, because she's from real life,

sitting in an illustrated black and white world. That is really neat. I would like to go to this book. It's really cool. Closer to your black and white graphic novels or art comics. Right. And I think I've seen sort of more colorful versions of this than I could look.

But I do think there's a little tiredness to the Spider-Man queue after all this time. You can barely look at Jason. You can barely look at him. You were scanning the room of where to put your eyes. And even though I voted kind of against Men in Black the other two times, I do think it's probably held up in a stronger way in some ways. And it perfectly looks like the movie. in a stronger way in some ways. It is perfectly, it looks like the movie,

and I think they could plus that Spider-Man queue up by giving it some new paint. Paint would help. Making it look a little fresher, and they don't have to necessarily go this hard with cel shading, but I've seen so much good cel shading just on my toys. My toys are amazing.

That style of turtle that you have i don't know if that's what you're talking about that is style that's more cartoonish um yeah that's that's meant to look like it does it great mondo does great spider-man and x-men one six scale cell shaded animated series style to this point now where the technology is, whatever, technology, the artistry has gotten so good that it does make me think this isn't as impressive as it used to be. And I think I'm voting Men in Black. Wow.

Wow. Even after you just sent me the artist Adam Kubert showing how he hid Max, his son's name, in the Iceman. Well, but that's not the, I'm not, that's outside. That's outside. That's outside. That's fine. I's not in the queue. That's outside. That's fine. I'm not going to disrespect Adam, one of my favorite artists of all time.

Booed my heart. I'm not saying Wicked needs to take over Marvel's Superhero Island. I didn't say that. I do think it's possible, but I don't... I'm not saying I want it. It's been a rumor for many years. Yeah, it's all different things do I love the song Hero by Chad Kroger featuring

Josie Scott of course of course I do if we're talking 2001 era music that's the top of the top that's the best anyone ever did nod your head Hero hold on hold on is it Hero or Vindicated which is your choice

I don't really know what Vindicated is is that Dashboard Confessional Dashboard Confessional for Spider-Man Well, is it hero or vindicated? Which is your choice? No, hero is always. I don't really know what vindicated is. Is that Dashboard Confessional? Dashboard Confessional for Spider-Man. Vindicated. I am selfish. I am wrong. I think I'm right. I don't remember the next part.

No, I'm right. I think I knew it all along. And I am. I'm doing my DeLong, but it's not really. What a good little concert I just got. Yeah. Wow guys

you feel like you got some emotion out there? I do yeah. I don't know the Spider-Man three song and I don't know the Men in Black

three or four songs. Chris that's the guy's name. I've seen Dashboard Confessional twice but I'm not a fan of them. You're not a fan of them? Alright. Yeah. Okay I have not locked in my vote vote i want to give a shout out to the fact that the daily bugle uh has adapted with the times yes they make newspapers but they also have their own internal

use internet called bugle net that helps them track villains and where they are great and that mythology i think is spectacular uh and i'm glad they have it Great. And that mythology, I think, is spectacular, and I'm glad they have it, and I like that it's kind of 99-era clunky desktops, but the devil's in the details. I don't like these gray croissants, and I'm locking in Men in Black. Oh, my gosh.

Wow. For the final two. Wow. So that brings us... Jason just took a swig of whiskey of bourbon yeah oh no things have gotten so bad he's uh i prefer resorting to the devil bourbon i prefer my sugar and chocolate not my beverage um okay so that gets us down to the uh the tidy two whoa we're down to the Tidy 2. Whoa.

We're down to the Tidy 2. A head-to-head Universal Studios takes it entirely. This is too wild. Disney is out. Disney has been out. I'm so sorry. What was Mike's vote? Men in Black.

Men in Black. Oh, okay. Oh, fuck. He blacked it out. Oh, he wasn't even reacting to the loss of Spider-Man. He wasn't paying attention. You didn't definitively say. Yes, he did.

No, he didn't. No, that's that. It's Men in Black. So that brings us, wow, it's all universal. That's really something. They do good offices there. They do good offices there. So Bowser's Study versus Men in Black.

Is it hard or is it easy? Is it hard or is it easy? Is it hard or is it easy? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Is it... We've got one that is full of detail. They're both like really great worlds. Like the world of Nintendo

versus the incredible production design of Men in Black. Now, this is... It's obviously not... You know, if you watch a scene from the movie of the real setting that this is portraying, and then you look at the actual space in a YouTube video, it is much smaller. But they do a really good job of just, of like, maximizing space and making it feel giant. And the way they send you in via catwalk, it feels huge, even though it's probably, you know, like a fifth of the size of the set, maybe less.

I also, in thinking about Men in Black, was reflecting on the awesome, I mean, in general, the production design of the Men in Black films and all of Barry Sonnenfeld's films, those including Adam's Family, and remembering that it's all, all of that is one guy, Bo Welch, who is also Tim Burton's guy. Same guy.

Oh, right. Same production designer. If you took just one of them, Legend, but both Burton and Sonnenfeld, some of the best production design movies ever. And I forgot, this guy, Mr. Catherine O'Hara. They met during Beetlejuice yeah yeah wow what that's one of the greatest couples ever to exist true icons in their field uh both incredible um so i like that there is i don't know it's just it's great movie aesthetics that's portrayed you know mike you said yeah at

some point you said like maybe an argument of something else yeah it looks like the movie and that is you know i guess invention is good bowser's office a space that we have not seen before versus recreating a movie but it's not like it was just recreating the movie they had to do it with a pretty minimal space yeah and make it feel bigger than it is. And I mean, I'm very impressed by both. I like the Teddy too. Jason, are you okay, first of all? Yeah, yeah. No, I'll survive.

Okay. I will say a very strong memory in the year 2000 of going down to Florida with my family and my brother kind of was mostly doing smaller rides with my mom and my dad and i went to islands of adventure after i had a day of rest because i woke up and i'm puked because i was so stressed out uh but you were that way then too oh as a freshman in high school yeah um i uh but back then it could be stress and just walk into Alfredo's, get a big plate of fettuccine.

Alfredo, calm down. Can't do that anymore. But the one day me and him went to Universal, and it's like we're getting one park ticket. Which one? And Men in Black had just opened, I think. And I was like, I really want to do that ride, but I want to go to Islands of a Deadroar.

So I made my choice. I went to- Oh, that was all to say you didn't go. No, I didn't. I eventually did, and I rode it again and again and again on Men in Black. So I have a lot of affection for this. In the mid-90s, after having an NES,

I switched to Genesis. You know? What? For what? You're saying you changed opinions? I switched to Sega Genesis for a number of years. So you're saying you could switch away from Islands of Adventure. That's what you're saying. What's that?

What's the point you're trying to make about the Genesis? I have more affection for the Men in Black ride than Mario paraphernalia. Oh, I see. Got it. I didn't really get back on board. I mean, I fiddled with my brother's GameCube every now and then. We did have an N64. I did do a fiddle-sish.

But I was mostly playing like Goldeneye. So I think my vote is Men in Black because I like it all so much. The building, we haven't even talked about the building. That's true. Well, we haven't talked about if buildings count. Yeah, we didn't even go over that. It's kind of weird because it doesn't look like an office from the outside. Yeah.

So, it's kind of a, I don't know if it factors in. Mike, do you feel conflicted here? I do feel conflicted because I've grown more affectionate for the office, Bowser's office, as we talk about it. And it does really satisfy a lot of things, a lot of needs you would have from a space like this, especially attached to a character like this. There's so much character in it.

Yeah, so that's where the conflict comes into where I'm like, yeah, I guess of all the different characters on the list, his office does feel the most fun. Now, maybe I could argue the collector, but he's out of the running. He really is. With all apologies to Indiana Jones,

it's like, yeah, it's Indiana Jones' office. There's maps in there. Right. Versus Bowser with the hundred jokes and details. Yeah. Not that Indiana Jones doesn't call for that, but you know what? Sure, I do. It's so fleshed out.

Yes, it's so fleshed out and it's so, yes, fun and design. So that is where my conflict comes in is that I just think it's like the best possible version of something like that. Yeah. And it's cartoony. It represents the it did come down to cartoon versus realistic yes and it is cartoony too which i like which is you really want it to transport you somewhere you know which obviously whatever men in black but it's more real world of course um so that's what that's what i'm weighing in my head right now

um with the two of them yes um. Okay. I want to say details are my favorite part about Mario Kart. However, Men in Black, detail game strong. Something that you want out of any of these offices

are just like, I keep wanting to say freeze frame gags, but that's not it because you're not freezing a frame. You're walking through a space. But kind of like blink and you'll miss it

kind of details. There's a great signs implying other offices and other areas of the of the headquarters i think are like then these are so good in men in black like there's a there's a directory that points you to uh fingerprint removal urban legend archive oxygen free zone human resources alien resources child and spore daycare excellent sign those are good this is a great so so everything that's that's the caliber of uh detail that is in bowser i also want to point

this one out i said that you know you can ask a team member to go give you a tour and like you have to walk on the floor and look at the desks and the desks here's something you can't tell from up there on each of the desks in the men in black bullpen is the paperwork like immigration papers of other alien characters in universal studios in that park specifically for example bumblebee broken at like formal forms yeah with last name and then first name. So seeing B Bumble. And then the best one, the best one for sure is there is an immigration paperwork for King from the Simpsons. And in the section that says other names or aliases,

Bob Dole. Perfect. That's a good, that is a good, this is an office that is like down to, like the tiniest detail that you can't even see, that you can only see

if you ask somebody to go see it. A great reference to a great episode that has nothing to do with Men in Black. We're not even in the Men in Black,

but the fact that it's taking, going down on the floor and then it ties together all of Universal Studios' aliens, really wish E.T. was in there. E.T. should, that's what, that's literally what E.T. is,

is immigration. Well, you're an Ovalian. Well, now I want to get down there and see if there's a Kodos one that says alias Bill Clinton. I'm not sure. I don't know. I only saw two desks in this video. You're making my Frank Luntz argument

from earlier about the different, the shared universe, as far as like tying in different mythologies. Bringing Hogan's heroes in with with uh bill clinton with the presidency with george wood now here's a question to either of these does frank luntz knock out either of these if it made it to the final two there's another universe where it won all except jason would have always protected spider-man for sure yeah yeah spider-man all the way to the end right i think so he's loyal

just like spider-man my final four would have probably been frank luntz doc gondar the collector and um uh waltz apartment waltz apartment not fake that's not fake although i guess you could say frank's is kind of not fake if he does his real office in there. Yeah, that's true. I guess that's points against it. So, yeah. Would either of the Bowser and Men in Black would not have ended up in your final four? No.

Wow. I don't think so. Wow. So that puts you in a strange place. So you kind of have no allegiances, I'd say. I don't know. Because I also think it's a little bit like man in black is so big they have such a luxury of scope and that's just something that

most of these places do not have the luxury of like if you were to expand out bowser with that real estate yeah it's no contest sure so that's what that's where i'm trying to weigh it. The size of a man. Yeah. The size. There's nothing that big in the whole bracket. Yeah. So it's unfair because if you put the same love times whatever the size is, times five of Bowser in, I think it's Bowser all day. Sure. But the fact that it's limited to this room and the rest is not offices. But it's a fun surprise that there's an office in this castle, isn't there?

It's a great surprise. And that he's learning that he reads. Learning that Bowser's a reader and that he plays big and dumb, but maybe it's all calculated. Right. But let's extend out. Okay, let's imagine the entire queue of Bowser's castle is an office. Yeah. Just a hypothetical to try to get us on the exact equal footing, you know?

Yes. I think you're neck and neck as far as cool details. You're kind of doing a handicap here and making the size the same. Exactly. Because there's so much other cool shit in that queue. So I cannot just deliver a victory for something because it has the gift of size. To me, it's not size to me it is i certainly great details i'm not saying that's all it is yeah i think if you had less

space i think i might still go men in black i think it's a great it feels it feels lived in which is something we need uh details are great which is something we need um you know you sense character in there uh yes all that's true and Andrew's great I might also be I just like the 60s I like that aesthetic a lot as well what if Men in Black was the size of Bowser though what's in there

what goes in there I'll stack them up you have a little glimpse of that because you see that break room that the worms or whatever are working in that they've taken over they're being gross in and that's a room you don't even get to go in you just that's like a one of these little cage offices and that's great i'm not grading it on that but that shows you what a small version of it is like it would be still detailed still fantastical doing it god damn it

men in black alien attack locking it in i will decide i will give my dissenting opinion my supreme court justice dissenting opinion My Supreme Court Justice dissenting opinion That I believe Bowser should read It is Bowser for you, wow I will pen a multi-paragraph dissent That I will publish To make it known in the history books That I dissented

That which will do a lot, your note of dissent Frank Luntz will have a copy of it in his Oval Office as well Just for posterity Just for preservation's sake from babe ruth letters to mike carlson rants about why bowser should have won a fake office contest i'll be on the record for that bowser did not win the men in black won men in black has taken it also maybe i'm i'm also maybe skewed in the like though i'm happy mario kart made it all this way something that we have trashed it is really hard to say that Mario Kart

is the greatest theme park office of all time. It doesn't feel right. It feels like you need kind of a parental. I think that's, you're letting, see, I think you're revealing that you're letting the feelings of the ride into this, which you should not be part of it. I know, but I think I prevented as long,

hey, I got it into the final two, couldn't I? That's true. By the way, my plus up for the Men in Black area, you have a very tall man doing the Vincent D'Onofrio sugar, and he's walking around in front of the building, and two Men in Black agents have their guns and they're hoofing their way after him. How is that not a walk-around character in Universal Studios?

Sugar? Vincent's an Afria sugar guy. People would be so, like, have such a bad headache by the end of the shift. That would be so tiring. Oh, I can't imagine doing it now. Open your mouth. Too stressful. But I feel like I've only seen more

and more online appreciation for that performance. Oh, it's great. It's the years that go on. It looms larger now than it did at the time. Yeah. Yeah, that's great to see. Well, I'm happy with this. Does everybody have, I don't know if everybody's happy

because it probably would have been Spider-Man for you and it probably would have been Frank Luntz for you. I had a feeling it would come down to Men in Black or Daily Bugle. So 50-50, I'm satisfied. All right. All right. Audience, are you satisfied?

Yeah, let us know. I hope so. I hope it's not like the vehicle one where we knocked out Indiana Jones early and people were mad. They might be mad here because maybe people like this Indiana Jones one more than, I don't know. I can't tell. These always provoke a lot of divisiveness, I feel. Yeah, I wonder what consensus is. I don't know. I can't tell. These always provoke a lot of divisiveness, I feel. Yeah, I wonder what consensus is. I don't know.

We were talking about earlier how we throw the rule. We don't necessarily follow the rules of this, and you can sub things in and out. I'd like to just real quick, can we sub out the winner Men in Black for Collector's Office? Can Collector's Office win? Can I do that? You want it to jump multiple rounds? I just want it to win. Could it win? Can I do that? Do you want it to jump multiple rounds?

I just want it to win. Could it win? Are you asking us? You guys have to say yes. You have to say yes or no. No. Okay. Well, I just want to try.

I just want to try. We did it. Just because I wanted to flaunt the rules a little bit because maybe we didn't flaunt them hard enough. Yeah, I don't know. Potentially. Nope. It's too late.

It happened. Oh, wow. All right. All right. Whoa. potentially nope it's too late it happened yeah all right all right whoa an elliptical just materialized out of nowhere jason's going nuts i'm gonna hop off my flying elevator to hop on my qvc purchased elliptical i feel i feel good about it uh i hope you do, too, and I hope you like it. I'm always curious about ideas for what are you playing? No. No, boo. Vindicated. You are not vindicated.

You're not vindicated. You try to do a one-last-minute slide-out. This guy's breaking the rules, trying to cheat the system like Frank Luntz's cronies what a look this guy's got this lead singer lately of Dashboard yeah you should do it you're trying to look young and hip trying to look like this Dashboard

guy wait show me the look I mean he's got a real like I don't know if this is photoshopped his beard and his hair looks so dark he looks like a cool cause it's such listener it's such jet black hair and beard he looks like a cool emaciated bluedo if bluedo kind of got like an old hat he's emo bluedo you know what bluedo would say about this I'm excited to see how... Jason's got his phone out. How long will it take to get to the part Jason wanted?

A minute 45. And also he should move the phone closer to the mic. He definitely should do that. In front of it, probably. That would help. He would say Sweet Haven? Sweet Bluto would just say Sweet Haven? That's what he would say? God must love us.

Why, it's Sweet Haven. That wasn't him, though. From the Robert Altman. We know what it is. No, we know what it is, but why would he say that? He would say, oh, Sweet Haven? He loves the town, even though he's an antagonist. He's the biggest jerk in Sweet Haven.

Lots of people have conflicted feelings about their place of residence. I guess that's true. I can't deny that. All right. Well, thank you for that. You survived. Podcast The Ride, fake office, final four. For three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast The Ride, the second gate, or

get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier, Club 3. You'll find all of that at patreon.com slash podcasttheride. Really quick on the way out the door, I don't want to lock this in as next year, but I do want to throw it out. Mike and I had an idea while we were out and about in the recent past. This idea was

the fire four. The fire four. Here's what this would be. Two sides, maybe still 16. 16 one half fake fire we're talking end of pirates we're talking big thunder we're talking the burning of rome the other side real fire mummy the epcot fire after during illuminations a peter noon phantasmagor yes Yes. The fire that killed King Kong. The fire that Peter Noon

from Herman's Hermits noticed at the American Adventure stage when France was on fire. Is that right? We didn't actually talk about this on the show. How'd it play out? What happened? Peter Noon was singing Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter on the stage at the Garden Rocks at Epcot in front of the American Pavilion and he looked over in

the middle of maybe the chorus and he goes, oh, France is on fire and he went back to singing. There was like a cooler fire or something. I think everyone was okay luckily. It was just a patch of grass lit on fire. Oh, I don't know the official reason. I mean, it'll be a year out and therefore less topical but we can keep it alive. If we

can devote a lot of time to the Oval Office and conservative pollster Frank Luntz's house, then one of the candidates in this could be Peter Noon's fire. Peter Noon's noticed fire. I want to do a whole episode on Peter Noon's noticing fire. That's possible, too. Frank Luntz has a fire for good governance. That's true.

He sure does. And the Resol resolute desk reminds him that this is possible. But anyway, the fire for real fire versus fake fire. Yeah. Which division wins? I think it's a strong idea. Do you have a better one? Leave it in the comments or leave it in your head.

We think of the ideas, alright? That's how this show works. Whoa, Pluto got here. No, no. Oh, sweet haven got here. No, no. Oh, Sweet Haven. Forever Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson, Jason Sheridan, Scott Gairdner, Brett Boehm, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey.

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