Podcast: The Ride - Fake Rock Final Four

Episode Date: April 5, 2019

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Forever Dog. at lobbying the government. But one topic is missing from these spirited debates. A topic that this podcast takes very seriously. A topic worthy of 150 minutes of discussion and a well-thought-out tournament-style bracket. The topic? Fake rocks. On today's show, 16 fake rocks will compete in a knock-down, drag-out fight to crown the fake rocks champion.

Which fake rocks will reach the top of the mountain? And which Fake Rocks will landslide in an avalanche of humiliation? It's the Fake Rock Final historic podcast, The Ride Gimmick. Today is the day. We have talked about about fake rocks our love of fake rocks in many an episode for many a week and today once and for all we will determine which fake rock is the most great fake rock in the fake rock final four i'm scott garner joined by mike carlson and jason sheridan i'm here i'm nervous my name is is Mike Carlson. This is important is really what it is. That's the word I would put. I was in my car, pulled up out front, beating my chest, getting psyched up.

You were beating your chest? Beating my chest raw and bloody. Oh my gosh. As I was going through today, just revisiting all the pictures of all of these, and I started to get very worked up like, oh, well, I know who's going to win this. Were you psyching yourself up to argue with us? Or were you just sort of in general getting your brain ready to like figure a question out? I guess a little of both. Yeah.

I took a steroid. I took one steroid. A single steroid? Yep. A couple hours ago so hopefully it'll time out and kick in and i will be at my peak of rage when we are determining the last two or so but it was just like three months old and you had bronchitis it was that kind of steroid yeah yeah it's not really gonna do anything no it's not like i got one from some you know uh mma guy or something no it's

doctor prescribed but still i mean you know it's uh my body's not accustomed to it right maybe i'm hoping that i like rage out to where i look like a rock monster uh as we're doing this uh i i should have been on hgh for this human growth hormone you've talked about that for years i do want to go on hgh that's true we haven't talked about that on the show yet But I feel like that's Good to go on You mean like the thing that people It's like it's you've talked about

Celebrities aging weird And taking this crazy stuff Yes okay Look maybe I'm gonna get him mad at us He's never gonna come on the show But like Stallone probably does He's an older gentleman But look how damn it is. We blew it.

Well, it's fine. Perfect guest for Planet Hollywood. I'm also not saying it's bad. I'm saying it's good. I think there's a lot of older guys specifically that take it. Probably guys you admire. You're not bad for taking it, but it doesn't always have good effects. I think it usually has good effects.

I think it usually makes you look cool and you're stronger And maybe your joints hurt a little less As you go it makes you recover more Oh I do I think I mean I think you gotta take it safely You know how to do it I don't know how to take it safely I wouldn't just go do it But I'm saying I think In the right safe way

It's fine yeah like in the movies Superheroes get their powers through accidents But in real life i mean those superpowers superheroes don't just spring up overnight you got to go to a superhero store get some super items right like slowly adjust your body to them because i don't want to get too off track here but my also my thinking with this is like i want to be able to go on these rides into my 70s and 80s and god hope 90s you know i'd like to go on the newest roller coaster in my 90s my mid 90s and you know your neck hurts your back hurts your knees hurt sitting in these

cars these vehicles and i want to feel good so yeah i think hgh or whatever is going to be around you know in 50 years that's what i'll be taking i want the same thing and i want the ability to get pregnant as well so i'm going to take whatever wide net of hormones i need to where i can be 90 and pregnant and on all the sure my baby will be jacked like like they'll be like they'll be i've been ingesting nothing but hgh that's good. So they'll be fine. They'll be more equipped than me. Whatever William Gibson, Warren Ellis, body hacking, cyber future shit. Sure. Yeah.

Let's go for it. Yeah. We're talking our future, which involves whatever is going to be done to genetically modify meat and whatever, like any DNA, CRISPR, the gene editing technology. Right. It'll be totally fair game for me to get pregnant in 10 years and go on all the roller coasters i want i'm sure and then you can also say if you want your baby to have a six pack or an eight pack when it comes out which i think one on his front and one on his back wow that'd be great very cool you could say

like yeah you could literally like set on a computer how much you can bench you could have a baby that looks like that creature that someone CG modeled. Like this is what the human body would have to look like to survive a car wreck. Have you ever seen that? Oh, that's right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Really bizarre, exaggerated, disprepare. They're like, they're like you took a photo of a regular person and like did Photoshop like smudging all over. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. Yeah. I'm'm gonna do that i'm gonna have a baby that looks exactly like when they show what homer uh would look like if he was a real person you know that's them i'm gonna raise a real life

homer at 90 and take it on a roller coaster i think that that's that also gives me the idea that at a certain point you know because you'll see those things where people get plastic surgery to look like famous people. So a certain person would want to look like Angelina Jolie and they would get the same lips or whatever. But I do think we're soon, we're not far away from fictional character plastic surgery. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Where you will get that terrifying real life Homer plastic surgery. I don't know if it's Homer. That's the one that'll be the most sought after.

Then I'll get surgery to look like, what's his name? Hondo from Star Wars Rise of the Resistance. Yeah, sure. Yeah, Hondo and Naka. Yeah, I'm going to look like Hondo and Naka at 90 years old. I'm going to have face tentacles and stuff i will um be i will ask for davy jones from the pirates movies who also has tentacles on his face oh sweet we'll get along great yeah so people are gonna freak when they see us together sure walking around but they'll

have a lot of people will have tentacles on their face in 50 years if you're also like if you're a big futurama fan and you get zoidberg surgery of course oh sure futurama will be brought back 25 times in 50 years i think too so there'll be new versions of futurama to keep it fresh the ip fresh in people's minds yeah yeah so there's zoidberg family members are you gonna look like a face tentacle uh yes mine will of course be hot dogs my tent tentacles will be hot dogs. Oh, will they like grow and regenerate and be snacks for you? Oh, sure. They can't always be like Nathan's all the

time. Sometimes I'm going to want a Polish. Sometimes I'm going to want a little smoky like you have at the Christmas time. That is so disgusting. Hey, hot dog update. I got those Trader Joe's pastry pups. The little mini ones in the fridge right now. Make my way through a package of those. Delightful.

How do you portion those out? How many at a time? Oh, serving size is four at a time. I had five last night and four today with a side of baked beans. I got some baked beans to have with them. And yeah, maybe I'll have the rest tomorrow with some chips or the rest of the baked beans.

Like a hobo with a home. Yeah. Maybe I'll have the rest tomorrow with some chips or the rest of the baked beans. Like a hobo with a home. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's the best description of Jason I've ever heard. We finally cracked it. Yeah. I mean, he goes on vacation. He takes a bindle.

Yeah. And a chalk so I can leave messages for the ones who come after. Head to LAX. Unfriendly house. Yeah. This security line is very good an old beat-up hat uh well back to fake rocks uh-huh uh and the sports of fake rocks that we're doing so we've talked about do we we had the idea to do a final four about something brackets for something uh uh and and mike you came up with the fake rock notion and uh that's it's it's perfect

because it's a it's an extremely competitive category it's jammed uh i don't know how we're going to be able to narrow it down to just one yeah and also i don't think is did anybody google i don't think anyone's because with theme park stuff we're not the first theme park podcast we're not the first person first group of people to do like a bracket for rides or something but i think as far as fake rocks this is the first in the world i think this is we've never there's never been a tournament to determine the best fake rocks before there's maybe listicles of like ranking the disney mountains sure but that's not exactly what this is and there's mountains that don't qualify in this absolutely and i want to say just because you are a mountain don't think you're making it to the final rounds i want to say that

right at the top that's an interesting point i but you know i might have been a little mountain centric in my thinking so far so that's a good challenge already to make me question i have not really we're saying i haven't like really picked these uh out of the 16 that we we had narrowed down to 16 and just that was very tough but i do not have my choices within this and you might have shifted my thinking already yeah because i mean we're gonna see i think it's gonna become apparent as we we start talking about it now i've got my favorites and i've got some dark horses but i don't you know who knows how it's going to shake out. Like you might kind of like be pushing for one that is maybe more of a personal preference than a like board of directors would determine.

It's the best. Yeah, I think that should. Yeah, I think some of these are going to be more personal than others. Some of these none of us have ever seen in person. Yeah, that's gonna's going to hurt it. We can admit some bias there. But I think including them shows that we have a good vista of what's out there fake rock wise. And we're representing the international parks.

Even if we haven't been there in person. I want to say this is not about the rides. Yes. I want to be very clear. This has nothing to do with the rides themselves. This is all about the fake rocks that are outside of the ride, inside, like part of the ride. It depends, depending on what attraction we're talking about.

But my liking of the rides has nothing to do with me choosing what's the better fake rocks. Yeah. Absolutely. It's the better fake rocks. Yeah, absolutely. It's possible that like a lesser ride, it's possible that a if if you went into a crazy fake rock facade and it was it was like Superstar Limo in there and the ride itself uh has some problems but if that outside is beautiful right and the transition inside is beautiful uh there's no reason it shouldn't be able to compete against like a top tier ride yes exactly and i thought that i think that's a great example because i think it universally agreed upon the superstar limo exterior beautiful folks look it up if you haven't seen it oh boy when anytime when pop art was part of the parks when it was just you know when like the postcard come to life and uh yeah i it was a phenomenon i i don't remember disney and universal quite doing this but i remember going to your your

smaller but you even six flags or the um paramount park stuff like that you would get your free maps but there was a fun souvenir map suitable for hanging or framing that had some real kooky characters on it that you could buy for a souvenir that's sort of what super star limo was like yeah uh yeah it was like a weird it was like like lobby art come to life or something yeah um we'll get to it that's maybe a potential that's a future final four could be the worst facade right um sure and super star limo obviously would be nowhere near it it's it's great it's perfect it's a kooky it's the california spirit i mean best lighting lighting or colored lighting setup that's a potential future fun for i think oh absolutely that's right um another point i had uh within this uh is like i mean well i you know i figure we should talk a

little too about just like why fake rock we've talked about fake rocks a lot and why we then that we love them i don't know if we really said why we love them i don't know that i have a good answer for that but as you mentioned superstar limo you think about early days of california adventure there were some fake rocks but not a ton not as many as there are now think about the cheapo era of disney when california adventure opened then it was a little underwhelming disney studios paris the worst disney theme park probably still uh and uh And then compare those to Tokyo DisneySea, which opened around the same time. One full of fake rocks, flourishing with fake rocks.

The other is just sound stages and hangers and just flat walls. I think those are some of the least fake rocks. I don't think there was a single fake rock in Disney Studios Paris, and I think they paid the price yeah so i think fake rocks are crucial to a theme park success out of the gate i agree i don't there's not i'm trying to think of like a good example of where you need it i mean it's like it's essential you're right it's it's something that i don't know what it does it just gives a texture it gives you a feeling of being somewhere that you're not which is just really just in a parking lot somewhere and people build a bunch of fake stuff but fake rocks transport you yeah in a way that a lot of things don't i wonder if even subconsciously too you go

like oh they took the time this is a they had to make this it is a fake rock they didn't just buy a bunch of big rocks they constructed this there they designed it they constructed it and they painted it like there was some care there was some attention to detail from whole cloth and i bet we'll get into this that i think i i would have to think that some criteria would be the uh the depth of the painting work because there's like very slow uh deliberate gradients and like so much texture and variety within certain fake rocks and a fake rock that just has one color the front to back is probably not as good of a fake rock right um the i you know i actually i'll save this for one of the rounds one of the my bag i think my best argument

for fake rocks is in a round but i won't do it here oh okay because i think i can make i can illustrate it gotcha i have another little argument that i don't think applies to a specific thing but i think this might impact it as we go on um i think there's some fake rocks that are very impressive to look at the entire tableau but i think some fake rocks have a brand to them and if you saw a close-up of one of the rocks you'd know exactly where that's from now does that i think there's excellent fake rocks where uh that test would not apply the the forest for the trees test but i think something about you know that you could take the pattern of a fake rock and use it

as like a cell phone wallpaper or something that it's instantaneous the shade is iconic that's got to be yeah i see what you're saying a big stat for one of these rocks to be pulling in right i hear i yeah i didn't even think about that there's a lot of things that we're going to explore we're going to discover i think too i think that i that really what this is about is discovering more about why we love them and what makes one great. Yeah. So it's like it's kind of a thinking man's sensitive man's bracket because we aren't just saying like you lose next. We're going to we're going to stop and we're going to talk and we're going to pontificate. Right. And I think, I mean, look, there's going to be probably arguments. There's going to be

disagreements. And I think at a certain point, we will have to go two to one if that happens. We're maybe not always all three of us going to agree on what moves forward. So, we'll have to go with two versus one. But I think we'll do it in a cordial way we won't be upset about it and we will uh reflect it when i if i were to lose one round i would just go into some self-reflection i wouldn't be angry and some of them might not be anger inducing but some of them yeah some of them we might have to like stop and argue which to that end do we just like say or do we do we say the competitors and then we pick or do we is there a discussion beforehand maybe it's a case by case. Case by case.

All right. We're going to be sure. Yeah, we might as well just launch. I'm very interested if any round is immediately unanimous. That would be the most shocking thing to me. What if like all of it was? And then this wasn't interesting and we were just all reciting like song lyrics together, essentially. Well, then there might be a mysterious

unheard second half of this episode called we have a late dinner well yeah well we just put an old i'll just tack a half of an old one on yeah second half of this absolutely uh uh yes just like a mailman question from the past or but we just start talking about batman stunt show like 45 minutes in sure yeah uh or we just do like we just like it's the best of hello fresh ads we just have like sure 10 in a row yeah yeah a walk down hello fresh memory lane we'll see we'll see we don't know um this is new territory for all right well let's get into it and if you go well like we'll figure out on Twitter how to post this.

There's got to be a way to do, like, a spoiler-free post of the list. Well, we'll post the brackets first. Yes. Just the empty brackets. So you can fill in your own bracket as well. That'll be fun. You can post your own bracket. Oh, yes.

Send us your bracket. Yeah, do one with your friends. Yes. See if you can reach an agreement see if you do yeah do one before you've heard our choices and see how much it lines up record a podcast and then post send it to us and then we'll review all of the podcasts and then there'll be a final four of the podcast we will determine the best fake rock final four jason will write to mike no jason will review all of them and then well you're the idea you're the idea man you always have these good ideas and you love executing them no do we meet i was gonna say

that maybe the hashtag hashtag ptr frf4 okay tr frf4 got it so anything related to this and that's where you can go to see our brackets and to participate. And what you'll find, I had a revelation. So we determined that we're going to do 16 whittled down to one. We couldn't think of a reason to put them into conferences. So it's not going to be eight to eight meeting in the middle. It's going to be that other style of bracket that narrows down to one. And know i turn this thing on its side 16 narrowing down to one you flip it on its side it looks like a mountain it's a mountain so we're not just narrowing down into a funnel we are going to

start at the base camp with our 16 competitors and they're all going to race to the peak and see who plants a flag on fake rock mountain. It's very exciting. I don't know. I don't know who will ascend and climb. I won't say Everest because that would be biased because Everest, maybe it's on the list. I don't know.

What if it's not in the 16 at all? Anyway. Anyway, let's get to the first round. All right. First round. All right. First round. First round. Expedition Everest versus the Matterhorn. Matterhorn Mountain.

Matterhorn Mountain. So this is a tough one. One is kind of a spiritual heir to the other. Do you reward a classic? Do you reward the one that improved on the formula? And this is, is i think another conflict that's going to come up like old school versus new school because we have you know everest we did an everest episode not too long ago and they were talking about using lasers and computers and

everything to like map it and how to paint it and all that they didn't have that technology when they were building the matterhorn yeah they just had like a soup in a can and like a legal pad with a bad pencil and somehow they built a mountain yeah yeah but you got to give them credit for that yeah you do so what do we think how do we do it do we uh do we always do it in the same order do we just we just throw them out? We got to develop some order here. What's everyone's... Does everyone have a strong opinion?

Well, here, let me say this. This is actually what I was alluding to before. I like these fake rocks because... And my favorite fake rocks are ones that make you feel like you're somewhere, like maybe a geographical place that's interesting, but are a little off or a little strange because that's where we are. We're not in the real world, but we're in a heightened reality. We're in somewhere special. We're in a storybook.

We're in another movie, something like that. So those tend to be maybe my favorite fake rocks, which is why I choose for this the Matterhorn over Expedition Everest is my favorite fake rock of fake rocks of these two. That would be my choice for this round. I think I'm leaning towards that as well, because you come to the end of a turn of century street. You look to your right and there's a giant snowcap mountain then there's a medieval castle and then there's i don't know trees for adventure land um but yeah that matterhorn is so striking and especially after a childhood of going to the magic kingdom in florida to come to disneyland and go like holy shit there's a fucking mountain at the end of this main street i don't care if the ride went away forever the ride itself i think is fine it's old it hurts i love the new effects they put on it i like going on it but the

mountain itself i think would be more of a casualty than the ride and expedition everest i like way better it's incredible it's one of the best rides but if we're just going fake rocks i gotta go huh i gotta go matterhorn well and you know what it's a pioneer uh within the world of fake rocks potentially the first like major fake rock landmark you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna cast my vote for expedition everest uh just to acknowledge it because that is where I was leaning but that does not affect. I just want it to get a vote. Okay, fair. Because in a way, like this pairing is insane. There's another world

where Expedition Everest moves on handily but the category does make sense to me. I see what you're saying and tough choices have to be made so I'm going to give it a vote to acknowledge it because it is a great one but advancing to the next round is the Matterhorn. Great.

That's what you said. That's what I said. Yeah. To to her. All right. It's never done. Not going to win. Not the best fake rock.

Oh, my God. An embarrassment. That's a surprise. That's a quick right out of the gate. I feel like. Well, I like that. We're starting with it with a controversial one. Not an easy one.

UCLA gets knocked out early sometimes, you know? true it's yeah something some guys come in uh cocky yeah i would imagine i don't watch college basketball but that seems like something that would happen guys are cocky and they don't play good in the basketball game sure um round round two splash mountain versus Round two. Round two. Splash Mountain versus Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. I don't need to rationalize this. If somebody wants to, go for it. I got it. Okay. I'm throwing my hat in the ring for Seven Dwarfs Mine Train

because Splash Mountain, despite being a mountain, I largely associate with dirt and the briar patch. I don't think of fake rocks when I look at Splash Mountain. There are fake rocks in the facade of Splash Mountain, but it's a lot of the briar patch. I'm looking, it's brown. It's a lot of brown that you are, I associate with like plant life, not rock work.

But Seven Dwarfs Mine my train you go in a mine there's beautiful rock works you outside you go under a bridge really good rocks they're good rocks but do they have the character of the rocks on splash mountain i would argue no i see what you're saying that's certainly the obviously the water and the briar patch are the big highlights of splash mountain but when you start on the ride and you're outside and you see those weird ugly but good like they're brown but they're you know i can't even describe the color exactly of them that is like that is cartoon you're in cartoon land those are so specific to splash mountain and the rocks on snow white are very beautiful but i feel like they lack character i feel like they don't have the quite the character that splash mountain itself

and the fake rock have i agree with you i think if you put any of these other rides up against splash mountain you have a good some of these other fake rocks up on the list yeah splash mountain might lose but to me it's splash mountain still um jason uh the the the argument of uh the argument that you made was an argument that was in my head the that uh when you think splash man you think of a big log because the top of it is a big log as logs going through it there's there's grass and roots and weird wood and tree houses and stuff. But how are we to punish fake rocks for having other elements as part of them for supporting other elements?

And I was going to use that argument to knock splash mountain out of another pairing. But the fact that it ended up with seven dwarfs mine train, I do think that those actual rocks are big boulders. I think they're, I think they're cool, but I, uh, I do think that the, i think we're underselling the rocks i think the rocks have some character i think they're big

and odd and bulbous and they still strike fear into my heart even though i started going on it i still got a little afraid uh i gotta go with splash mountain of course it's a mangled crazy structure it's so it's it is menacing and cute all at once. You know, character is important and not really a thing I was considering in this round. So, I am going to gracefully bow out and accept that Splash Mountain clearly. So, this is a polite discussion. I also want to say, we didn't, there are no bad fake rocks on this list. No. We did not choose any pity fake rocks.

Certainly not. We are all great so if i say something bad about a fake rock just know i still love it you also you've got a variety as i'm looking at a photo there's also like you know there's there's gray rocks intermingling with the brown uh uh it's there's a tapestry of fake rock there. And yeah, those those odd, you know, like, yeah, the bulbous rotund like curving on top. This is I'm going to show how like not eloquent that I am. This is not going to be like Thoreau or a poet who's good at describing nature. I do think that Splash Mountain, the whole the whole of it is very unique and beautiful

but i don't think fake rocks are the still the number one i i don't disagree and that's i don't disagree with what you're saying i'm just saying that if you take away briar patch and you take away any like little shed or whatever you'd call it i still think this structure is more interesting and is uh speaks to me more than just the fake rocks and seven dwarf which again are beautiful but they're a little too almost a little too realistic for me it's not that's a bit of a problem i think sometimes you might find that realism is what's cool about a fake rock but i but i think uh inventiveness is going to be key we are talking theme parks here and i think that is going to be key. We are talking theme parks here. And I think that is going to be key for any fake rugs moving forward.

That's the, you know, that reminds me of like a recent Disney, uh, venture, the, the animated sequences in, in Mary Poppins returns.

Like they did try to do it in the style of the original Mary Poppins. And I believe brought back some of the hand, hand drawn animators to do it. But there were times in that where i was like this is a little too clean a little too yeah i agree it's not dirty and not like the mary poppins animation the robin hood animation aristocats there's a there's a grit to them that's hard to duplicate with um after effects or whatever which That's a philosophy that might Favor older fake rocks That's a nice

As opposed to An actual athletic event in which Certainly A 65 year old Is going to lose to an 18 year old Not the case in the fake rock Final four Not the case in like WWE

Oh yeah true A 6 year old man beats up a 30 year old man What's the most exciting final four no it's another case of like wwe oh yeah true every time that a six-year-old man beats up a 30-year-old man what's the most exciting yeah yeah it's a little more populist uh so we got all right so manhattan uh manhattan i wrote down the word manhattan i think i i've got drinks on the brain i'm doing well and i was thinking like for my private final four of different chowders so that's my number one we both wrote manhattan and and mike you're just always thinking of nyc that's why you wrote it too so we know our first second round pairing will be matterhorn versus splash mountain

yes tough one wow tough one yeah boy wow uh yeah uh um so what's uh what's round number two who keeps advancing up the peak? Well, this is three. Oh, wait. Well, I'm sorry. Who will end up in round number two? Oh, that's what he just said. Oh, yeah.

It's Splash Mountain. I think it's Splash Mountain and Matterhorn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm saying entering into the next. I mean, I'm incredibly inarticulate here. Who are the next two that we're talking about? The next pairing. Mount Apotaku from Shanghai Disneyland's Adventure Isle versus Grizzly Peak from Disney's California Adventure.

This is a clash of the rapid rides. Right. One from 2001, one from 2016. These are new century rapid rides. But we aren't talking about the rides which are almost identical we're talking about yes the uh the mountain uh peaks and the and the rocks right then insane to think about these rides built in the 20th 21st century that uh one of disney's greatest blunders and then one of disney's people were concerned it was going to be a great blunder but seems to be doing okay like shanghai seems to be doing all right in terms of reviews and ticket sales and stuff i think it's

slowed a little but i think most parks fall into that after a year or two of grand opening excitement but it's great if you watch ride throughs and stuff which i have because i can't imagine i'm gonna go there anytime soon uh there's some really inventive stuff over there, and this is among them. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's very cool. Yeah. If you haven't seen this, but this might be the fake rock that you are the least familiar with. So Google Image, just do Adventure Isle Shanghai, and that'll show you what we're talking about.

It's a big, glorious waterfall. It's very large. I think it's a big glorious waterfall it's it's very large i think it's in the in the uh the 200 foot range i have to say i i was pulling uh photos uh and putting them into a note on my phone for this and when i looked this one up this is probably the one i was least familiar with i audibly gasped like i was even on a tiny little iphone screen i was amazed at the scale of this thing and i think it gets a a little bonus of a favorite of one of my fake rock uh types which is fake rocks with real water yes that is a big selling point of seeing the fake rocks with an actual waterfall that might come up later too

in one of my decisions yeah think about the engineering that goes into uh yeah they have to figure out how to make water flow through the thing yeah this this thing this is probably the most insane disney waterfall i would have to think yeah okay i can't name another and also like that's a cool thing about shanghai disney which we haven't talked about a ton. They kind of reinvented all of the lands. They said, why do we have to just especially in the wake of Hong Kong Disney, which was just sort of a pretty like stamped copy of of original Disneyland. How do we blow it up? How do we make a totally different Adventureland and Tomorrowland and Frontier land and stuff also how do we adjust to local tastes because for say star wars doesn't have the cultural cash that it does in america uh-huh uh-huh sure sure but they love

the tim burton alice in wonderland oh yeah heavily feed yeah there's a giant scary queen and uh yeah the the scope of this thing compared to adventure land which is always kind of the most humble land in all of the other magic kingdom parks um but hey we can't ignore the other competitor grizzly peak this is especially upon opening this was kind of the uh the the icon the the silhouette uh of of the park upon its opening and that's an argument i wanted to bring up about what makes a fake rock great uh the ability to draw it that simpsons rule of that you recognize the character from the silhouette uh i don't think it always applies but i think that's a cool facet of a fake rock that you could do a bad little sketch of it and uh and

you recognize it i think grizzly peak has that yeah it does um for sure and here's my thing with grizzly peak and i don't actually know what i'm going to choose yet for the between these two yeah this is a tough pairing grizzly peak i didn't that maybe this is call me an idiot didn't notice the bear until like maybe visit 20. i agree with you 100 i'll go a step further for a long time i thought it was a wolf aaron thought that until a couple visits ago. And if you Google this issue, many, many people believe that. And I think maybe people don't even know it's called Grizzly River Run.

And they haven't put that or they know that. And they still are like, that's a wolf. That's a piece. That's a nature thing. Exactly. And when bears like a heart, the heart of California, beautiful bears. We have a bear on our flag. And yet still you missed that.

But I don't. A lot of people did. I don't blame you. I think the problem, though, is I don't know if I should blame the rocks for this or the location of the rocks. No, I do think you don't like it. I do think it looks good. And I doubt when dca first opened anyone was like this looks like shit like lots of the rest of the park look like shit these fake rocks this does look good and i like that it's just like an aesthetic choice like

i i have an issue with this we can't blame the rocks them so the rocks are the rocks are aren't uh uh uh babies they aren't innocent creatures who don't know any better these were made by imagineers and if imagine if imagineers made something you can't tell what it looks like or if there's confusion about what it is uh that like hey that that's on them uh i just think if you tilt it like 45 degrees and in one direction people would notice it more i don't know which direction i yeah because bears i don't associate with bears with howling up at the sky i associate bears with like squatting on the ground or looking straight ahead or something yeah like like he the bear's head should be like dipping into the river

to find a fish a little more mount rushmore even like you want well i want four country bears on a mount rushmore gosh that would that would win that seems like a missed opportunity we wouldn't be doing the episode i would have said here i you know what i pick and how is there not a mount rushmore anywhere in theme park world is there one on uh for whatever reason i immediately thought there was one in uh jay ward like rocking or uh oh yeah there is one that's a preview of you i guess we can say that that didn't make the cut did not make the cut jay what which who's on it it's like dudley and is it the is it all of these people is it dudley his boss uh snidely and his controller his account what is her name may jane um someone's screaming i gotta look this up as i don't meg uh yeah yeah that sounds right

it's meg oh no i thought you said you know i don't think it is no i thought you're still looking at the tweets of like it's this stress me out um it sounds i mean that's not it though it'd be a more no no no no all right sorry for anyone yelling as in the lead up to it but hey we got it this time we didn't leave it hanging like that roger rabbit thing we all fucked up debacle yeah yeah yeah apologies someone on the street the other day and heard them go like oh hi my name's nell someone they were meeting and i was just like that's the first time i've ever met a real life nell most nell's speaking gibberish sure yeah the language they made up um i i don't know i i got to uh hmm i don't know if i even want to i don't want to like tilt it

one way or the other uh um i um, I guess I have to, I guess I have to vote against grizzly peak and I'm not happy about it though. I, I, so I, here's my justification. Cause I,

I'm going with Mount Aputaku too. Um, so grizzly peak loses points for that wolf bear confusion. Absolutely. Loses points for course it does. Uh, uh, the fact that like the park as much as you

know i am i i am not nostalgic but i i like to reminisce about dca 1.0 but shanghai disney seems like clearly a success out the gate i'm also giving shanghai Shanghai the advantage because that, like I said, looking at pictures of this, I was in awe. And I think awe is a thing that will come up in other rounds of this. And I was very impressed and kind of like, oh, maybe I should think about visiting this. Although China seems like it has so much going on all at once. I think I still find it an intimidating hypothetical travel destination oh just going in general sure oh yeah but i think you absolutely gotta dock points for that i'm gonna say i don't think it is that i think i think this actually is

i think it's a fun fake rock but i think it's a little chintzier than other ones i think there's a more big budget version i could see a version where they like the hong kong disneyland castle replace this have a much taller bear that completely like dwarfs its surroundings and where there's no question that it's a bear but i think it's a little silly that it's a mountain that looks like something i think that's a little i think that's a little goofball they were going i think what the problem is is they were trying to go with something like... You could hypothetically see that that could develop in nature. And, whoa, that's crazy. It does kind of look like a bear.

So, that's why they call it that. But we're talking about a theme park. And I want that cartoon bear, that giant wooden cartoon bear with the sweater on Christmas time face on a fake rock. Oh, you say push it even more. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying like the reason I'm struggling here is because we don't have many character rocks, if any. So I want to reward it for being a character rock. Yeah.

But the confusion and its placement. And I unfortunately have to vote for Taku. There's still time. I don't know if this qualifies as a fake rock. It is a real rock with a thing in it, but we could insert that thing in Georgia with the Confederate soldiers. In Stone Mountain? Yes. I was thinking about that when you asked if there was a... We could knock out

Radiator Springs and put in Stone Mountain if that would make you feel better. Next year we'll do that. But not this. We already wrote it down. Yeah, I can't wait to do the Stone Mountain, Georgia episode. The final four bracket of real American icons

and hey, put that in your PC pipe and shove it up your butt. That's the name of the episode. It has that full sentence in it. What a weird revelation. Like three years into a podcast. It's like, also, we're Confederate sympathizers. I know you've complained about Trump or whatever, but tradition is tradition.

Yes. Three childless Confederate sympathizers in their 30s. Yeah. Also, the Shanghai one looks really nice in the lights. Oh, you know what? I haven't seen the night view. There's a night view that just really looks lights. Oh, you know what? I haven't, I haven't seen the night view. There's a night view that just really looks. Oh,

you know what? I don't think I took night into consideration. Well, it's going to come up. Yeah, that's going to come up. Yeah. All right.

Yeah. Yeah. But what's coming up next? This is, this is a nice one. Well, we've seen two heart warmers. The first one we've certainly seen enough of at night and the day it is big

thunder mountain railroad yeah um and then the calico mine ride at knott's berry farm calico mine right at knott's berry farm and this is an og fake rock i think it's important yes fake rock history uh as we may have talked about uh it gave Walt Disney the idea of hiding cues because some of the line was hidden within the fake rocks. It was like the first, you know, this is a very clever fake rock. And I think the interior of this thing is pretty fantastic. When you think about the maybe a lot of people haven't been on this one. If you haven't, uh, been to LA and been to knots,

um, but great interior, the super claustrophobic tunnels, uh, uh, which are, are very neat to be kind of stuck in and teetering along in. And then that part with the,

uh, uh, the, the Oregon, what do you, what do you call it? Like when, when all the lights hit it and it's,

it's, it's like petrified rocks that look like an organ all of the stalactites stalagmites oh yeah right right it's sort of a rainbow caverns vibe yeah um that's that's you know like hey very clever interior fake rock lighting so i just there's a lot that i think is real nice about these particular fake rocks i have to agree and and you know i talked about the feeling of all in the previous round in this one thinking about these uh i gotta give points to knots for the uh idea of scale like it is so big and i have only i've only seen it at night because i've only been to knots when we were there for uh not scary farm and i was shocked just at the size of this thing and that it was made in the

60s yeah and it's been kicking around for so long and it's a park that wasn't exactly flush with real estate so to allocate such a huge amount to a giant fake rock structure is impressive that that does seem consistent inside and out i like when there's logic to the interior and that it isn't just i mean there's things on our list where then you essentially go into like a like a soundstage building like a big industrial building that's hidden by fake rocks but i do think it's neat that like oh this entire attraction is is all fake right and there there has to be logic to the tunnels and what goes where imagine getting lost in that thing that three-story like middle zone is fantastic the problem is going into this i was thinking big thunder slam dunk because big thunder is

incredible yeah sure but this ride is all fake rocks Big Thunder you're on top Of the fake rocks you're on the sides of them But like you're inside the fake rocks This might be the most fake rock Ride of all fake rock rides Calico? Yeah That's a good point I haven't decided yet I'm just thinking out loud here

I have a counterpoint Go ahead I wanted this very much to be on here And I'm Passionate about this ride I think it's a real point go ahead i have i i wanted this very much to be on here and uh and i i'm passionate about this ride i think it's a real hidden gem but the other one is fucking big thunder mountain oh i know mountain is the pick for me hmm really there's no argument there to me it's been it i mean all those nice things i said sure but it's big thunder these These are iconic. I under rocks, but would it exist without Calico? But that should make that argument.

That's that's, that's all of them. I, I, yeah, but you know, got to have points for the, I would say if I'm working this,

if I'm working this out though, the difference between Everest and Matterhorn is that they're going for different things. I do think big thunder is taking this and refining it. Yeah. And specifically, you know, with the, whatever you'd call it in the middle, is it a, different things i do think big thunder is taking this and refining it yeah and specifically you know with the whatever you'd call it in the middle is it a not a spire is it a spire what do you what would you call the big highest peak of big thunder uh i'm not sure yeah peak spire i guess i don't know it's a nice looking turd pile sure they get littler as they go they're

little plops yeah little plops i might say the most distinctive disney mountain the thing when you hear when i hear disney mountain i would say space mountain but if we're talking fake rock mountains yeah yes well if you want yeah um um so so yeah that's that is my struggle here is because of course that stuff is iconic and perfectly designed whereas the outside of calico mine is beautiful and i wouldn't say even beautiful it's impressive uh it's a little melty for sure the whole thing is a little melty and that's just because it's been around so long and they didn't have fake rock technology so i'm struggling here because when you go inside the fake rocks continue and some of the scenes i would

say still kind of give big thunder a run for their money as far as the fake rock scenes that exist on the ride. That's true. But I think you have to take into account all the international versions of Big Thunder. I am. I'm thinking about it. There are different scenes within all of it. And there are internal scenes. There's an avalanche that blends perfectly.

Or not an avalanche anymore, but some of them have had it. That blends perfectly with the interior and the exterior i just think for what it does to the skyline to the for the way that it uh tributes our great national parks it gets that bryce canyon and zion vibe in right um that means calico is one of a kind is that extra points in that column it is but uh you know to what like here here's another i'll make that silhouette argument i think you could show the silhouette of big thunder mountain you know what it is right away the while the while the rocks are very cool in calico i think it ultimately is like a blob yeah it is a blob and and i will and this one i'm trying to think of this is incorrect so correct me if i'm wrong this one a big thunder traveling on the rocks the iconic

rocks on the outside you do that more like for sure everest everest you're kind of on a track through the mountain you're on a track here too but you're actually it doesn't feel like you're kind of on the terrain as much on Everest in a weird way to me. It's like there's holes in Everest and you're going through it as opposed to like, we're just bumping up and down and going through. Oh, I see. Does that make sense? I see what you're saying. I'm not illustrating it so perfectly.

Well, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to tilt it either way. I feel like by staking claim as the guy who decided, I could even be argued back. I don't know. But I feel like I shouldn't say more. You can say as much as you want. I'm not offended. I keep giving points to Calico.

And part of it, I will admit, is a personal novelty. I was like, this is still so fresh and new to me. Whereas Big Thunder Mountain is just ubiquitous to me like i've known it might be the one of the first if not the first big roller coaster i ever went on so that's because but it's iconic it's like ubiquitous because you love it because it's uh i'm trying right now to divorce myself from the rides itself. I'm trying to strip all the animatronics out of Calico Mine. Ah, good point. Yes, they have nothing to do with it.

Nothing to do with it. Yes. But, okay, so I'm just thinking of that giant sort of three-story view of the whole ride without the horribly oppressed workers. Some of them will be stripped out for being canceled yeah right in the next 10 years of course and garner holt will replace them with beautiful shiny new ones and it's a beautiful a man a mass uh immersive i guess what i'm looking immense space but scott is right it's big thunder mountain railroad now you do see you could see a massive scene. That was shocking to me. You see a massive scene from below and a massive scene from above.

It's the same. It's the same one. Same scene. But you're seeing it from different angles. Seeing it from different angles. But that's what I'm saying. Scene wise, get rid of the minor robots. Because that's what's hard to do is because there's so many robots on that ride.

And it's so much, so such a big part of that experience if i'm just looking at it i go wow this is big this is crazy the rocks look a little melty but cool i think the cultural cachet of fake rocks does matter you can't divorce it physically from its impact uh in the world i think these are i think this is the world's favorite fake rock. I could not, I could not knock out. I could not in good conscience knock out. I think ultimately you're right,

but I, it's, it's, it's not tough to make the decision, but it's tough because of how much I do love the fake rocks of Calico. I wanted it to be in the 16th badly. I'm going to keep this interesting. Scott has put in

his vote i am locking in for calico nice so the call is in your oh boy the ball is in your court by i just sort of said what i thought i'm not totally sure i'm not totally sure either i i it's big thunder all right fair enough okay fair enough now here's what i think we we had some discussion about who was going to go up against two i think it's Big Thunder. All right. Fair enough. Okay. Fair enough. Now, here's what I think. We had some discussion about who was going to go up against who. I think it's very possible that if these were different... I think it's possible that Calico could have knocked out Matterhorn if they were head to head. I think that's... I think...

I think that's a horse race for sure. I think Calico could have knocked out Splash. I do too. Yeah. The brackets do influence. Keep in mind, everybody, this isn't a pure list. We did. These are pairs.

Right. And sometimes the pairs make strange bedfellows. Right. And people leave angry. But that's just the way it goes. Also, I'm sorry for the lack of jokes on the show. Because I'm in a different headspace right now. But hopefully this all in and of itself is the...

Oh, it's a joke. Three of us talking about this is a joke. And we take it seriously. It was a pretty robust text thread about it. I ran my choices by my wife as I do any important decision in my life. As do I. I also. By my wife. Yeah, brought it by your wife.

She knows what she's doing. A very even keel. I thought Jason was talking about like a gallon of ice cream in a wig. What do you think, private selection? You make a little smiley face with the frost yeah or if she doesn't approve a frowny face yeah then that's a bad day she is tough but fair the frowny face when she doesn't want to be eaten well sorry well that's an argument i do win so all right uh call fan art someone draw jason marrying his ice cream wife hand back to the tournament who's up next this next round actually i think uh you know we're

talking about interesting pairings this one is the opposite it makes very much makes sense mal prometheus from tokyo disney sea and uh krakatau from Volcano Bay at Universal Orlando. This is the volcano centerpiece of Volcano Bay. The Clash of the Volcanoes. Clash of the Volcanoes. Makes sense to put them together. 21st century pairings. Kind of the opposite.

Tokyo DisneySea, widely recognized as a huge success aesthetically volcano bay seemed like people were optimistic about people may have cooled about now mike you seemed like you liked elements of this i have been to both yeah you are the only one so it really you you can speak the uh the most uh to this area. So Volcano Bay, I think I talked a little bit about it a while ago. As far as the outer rim of Volcano Bay, that's sort of closer to a normal water park. The rides are, the slides are a little less themed. They're fun, but it's nothing special. I did find that the fake rock itself, and I always forget how to pronounce it.

It's Krakatau, I think, right? I think it's Krakatau. I, a couple, you know, margarita type drinks in, swam out to the middle of the wave pool and just sat at the foot of Krakatau and looked up and got pelted with water. And just, I loved it. I was so,

this is going to be a problem for me. You were baptized and born a new Krakatau born, born me new. That's how you'd say it. That is like an exhausting late period. I have like Neil Young album or something. Right. Krakatau.

No, Neil would be more, it would be more about like seeds He's obsessed with like seeds and Farmers and seeds Song of seed would be a 2019 Neil Young album Some baby boomer

20 albums and Star doing a story there's a story There's actually a storyline It's a narrative Warren's Yvonne album that he threw in the trash. There we go, yeah. His second to last. Eh, never mind.

Let's not put it up. So I just sort of sat, because you can get very close to this. You can't get as close to Mount Prometheus. You can get close, but you can't. So you don't go into the mountain. Well, is that a spoiler for you? No so you don't go into the the mountain well you well i is that a spoiler for you uh uh no i don't care about oh you mean the in into disney sea yeah no i know there's rides in the night yeah yeah you walk inside it and it's incredible what's it well you're sort of inside of

yeah like the area around it it's not the actual volcano hole or like oh sure lava hole i guess is the technical but it's like a campus that uh yeah it's out from the peak there kill me with a lava hole i say toss me in jason versus the volcano i'll tell you who's winning that fight kill me volcano i'm i meant crack a toe do you you don't go into it you do you do oh you do okay yes you can walk into it um yeah i thought you do. Okay. Yes, you can walk into it. Yeah, I thought you were talking about it. Okay. Yeah, but you can walk into it.

You can talk to the spirit that lives inside of it. It's a person remotely controlling it and it'll shoot you with water. Is that all, does that all affect, do you consider that part of the rock or is that more of an experience inside the rock? I think you probably can't consider the spirit stuff part of the rock because is that more of an experience inside the rock? I think you probably can't consider the spirit stuff part of the rock because we're just judging the fake rock itself not maybe the special effects.

Although I did mention the lighting and that's sort of special effects too. Sure, sure. But lighting, yeah. Both of these seem like they have very impressive nighttime lighting packages. Yes, they do. I would say just from a scope standpoint, looking at the two of them, Mount Prometheus looks more impressive. At night, they both look very impressive.

And Mount Prometheus, you know, shoots lava out every whatever hour or something. And as does Krakatoa. Is it like fire? It's water call it's lighted it's projection really yeah and they both i didn't get to see the lava at krakatau up close but it does erupt it still erupts like a volcano does i need to see a photo of this to make sure i i oh oh and it glows are you which one are you looking at? Oof. Well, I'm seeing it glowing blue at night. Krakatau or?

Krakatau, yes. Yeah, it looks great. Yeah. It's so cool at night. Wow. Yeah, it's kind of incredible when you look at it at night. And it does look cooler at night than Mount Prometheus, which also looks incredible at night. Okay.

I would kind of argue that it looks a little bit cooler. But the mountains themselves in the daytime, even though I've been up close to Krakatau, I think Mount Prometheus probably has a little more mystique because it's set back. So it's tough. This is a very tough call. Krakatau has, like, even just in pictures or video, beautiful water cascading down it. I think that should be said. How do you feel about this, Jason, your earlier argument about that mountains don't get you anywhere, just you being a mountain doesn't make you win, but these are both mountains.

Let's, let's take the scale out of it. How about just the, the rock, the texture and the rocks themselves? Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

I mean, well, if we're talking about the, can you draw it as an icon? I think Mount Prometheus has a, a leg in that category. Having not seen either of these in person i don't know i feel like prometheus the reputation precedes itself yeah i mean they're both both of them when you go into the parks because they're both basically the icons of the park well i mean tokyo has got more even

but but they're both incredibly impressive. The first thing you go is, holy shit. And I don't even think Krakatau, the pictures do it justice. Because especially when it doesn't have anything, Krakatau is basically, I'm saying, is like, Tokyo has all of the beautiful scenery to add to Mount Prometheus to make it look more impressive. It's got those beautiful buildings in front of it. It's set back. And then there's a whole crazy like skyline essentially of different parts of Tokyo Disney. And you go, this is a beautiful picture. Krakatoa, unfortunately, that's it. It's alone. It's by itself. So it's sort of not fair because we're taking them both out and putting them alone i don't know i think i think

i start to edge a little closer to krakatoa especially and again it's lighting and i don't know we're sort of allowing lighting especially with that nighttime lighting i'm edging i'm closing in closer to krakatoa is what i'm saying. Wow. Wow. Interesting. If you look at the detail, I do think Mount Prometheus has more detail. Like the rock itself, the texture of it, it looks more realistic. It looks like that you see kind of the more like that it goes from a fresher brown to a more lava burnt black and back and forth forth and very subtly so it's pretty incredible i mean it does look like it's a whole like letter grade up as far as detail in the rocks itself it also i mean i mean this is true for both of them both of them like make the park when you hear that this park exists or is being built and you go and there's a giant volcano right as part of it that's

when i've been telling people who don't know about tokyo disney sea and sadly i do know some of those people i have to say it's this other disneyland uh that's it's only in tokyo and there's this giant volcano at the center of it that's like the selling point you show a photo of that thing right and like i said as opposed to you know a fake rock light disney parks of the era uh you know the oriental land company uh financing the park let them go uh fake rock ape shit and foregoing fake rock ape shit i have to reward them i'm casting my vote for mount prometheus yeah i i'm i'm going back towards mount prometheus prometheus at this point but i do feel like universal did crack a tower disservice because it's the only crazy impressive thing in the park

sure and it is you don't think the tapu tapu payment system the cashless uh wristwatch payment system is a fast pass system and then you go and click and it's like come back in 90 minutes to ride one water slide that was the first couple months so maybe they've worked it out maybe they've worked it out so i it sucks because i think the photos don't do krakatoa justice and especially with nothing to bounce off of it it makes it look chintzy than it is because i truly was blown away by it there's a video i should have brought it out if i was really going to defend it that you would go oh my god that looks unbelievable night photos made that a much tougher choice yeah

yeah i gotta stick to my guns but unfortunately i know it's for Krakatoa, not unfortunately in general. Mount Prometheus just in the day rocks itself versus other rocks. Mount Prometheus has to win. I'll go ahead and give it to Prometheus too. So that's, you know, unanimous that one. You got it. Also that there's two rides inside. Holy shit. Yeah.

I mean, the rides don't matter. Rides are separate. But oh my God. Right. How much of the park is this facility? Yes. Yeah. I mean, the rides don't matter. Rides are separate. But oh, my God. Right. How much of the park is this facility? Yes, right. Like if there was a second ride within Radiator Springs, how insane that would be. Of course.

And then look, there's a nice lazy river that goes through Krakatau. And I loved it. And the mist falls and you kind of go under. And I'm dreaming of it in my head right now. And I'm wanting to go back. But yes, it's Mount Prometheus. I think there's another like calico i think there's another pairing where uh krakatau walks away with it yeah for sure that is not this pairing um so that brings us to i think maybe another tough one uh we're uh we're pairing off pandora the world of Pandora And the floating mountains of Pandora

With the upcoming Black spires of Black Spire Outpost At Star Wars Galaxy's Edge This one is called Where Disney's money has been going This round Are they called the Hallelujah Mountains? Specifically in Avatar?

If anyone would know it would be you I believe they are I mean not all of the fake rocks in pandora are floating but some of them are and hey that's points right out of the gate holy shit i watched a video about the engineering of those things oh my god how do you make float i mean it's not a totally you don't know how they did it uh effect but it's it's pretty damn impressive and i've been there in person but boy pictures uh paint the picture yeah picture and they are the hallelujah mountains i'm i've confirmed okay great um so just in case you want to refer to it as that just to keep it fresh when we're discussing now black spire outposts the uh spires uh the tall things poking out none of us have seen this yet let's say that

yeah also in the backstory we've recently learned that it is petrified wood which is technically eventually if wood petrifies enough it becomes rock oh i believe that's correct is that right that is right yes oh boy that hurts it it's wood oh no it's wood it was tall trees that died but it's on its way to rock and i bet part of it at least a percentage is rock in canon fuck that i feel betrayed i'm uh i'm giving it to pandora right now i don't want no trees hanging around i mean i, it loses points too because, yeah, I haven't seen it. Black Spire Outpost and I don't know what the nighttime lighting package is going to be like. Pandora at night.

Fucking trees. Beautiful, beautiful. Trees trying to sneak in there. This is bullshit. I feel duped. Is that true of all of it, though? Some of it has to be. There's a cliff wall outside of the Falcon.

Supposedly the spires itself are the ones that are the wood. I mean, there are fake rocks here. Yeah. And they see, like, this land looks unbelievably impressive. And seeing these things go up in the back of Disneyland and watching them rise from that parking structure has been a thrill. And I like with both of these, Avatar and Star Wars, I'm excited that fake rocks are the future. When Disney puts a big new facility based on an exciting property into their parks, fake rocks got to be there. And I love seeing them from the back. I love that we get to drive

through and see the like admire that that framework. Right. I like seeing them from the back i love that we get to drive through and see the the like admire that that framework right after you come off the five i like seeing them from my beloved mark twain and i pointed this out last time i was there um mention it to you guys that they really do blend nicely with the rocks that you see from the boat the rocks um big thunder big well uh no under the train tracks right under the train tracks like similar rocks everything looks copacetic they need to get a few more trees in there but they might just need to grow but it's like it's not uh jarring it's not a jarring skyline those new rocks are great yeah that's the transitional rocks i really oh yeah yeah if those if those count if those are are those separate should

we have been breaking this down more we should have broken it down more i don't know that the transitional ones do because i think of them more as the train track rocks uh-huh like they're those be their own category should we bump something else and put in the transitional rocks no we're too too far into it i don't know i think we can do whatever we want that's a vote between us of what's left no i don't think so jason's putting his foot down what do you think mike smacking it down you're okay let me just so i'm clear on what this proposition is we would we would put just the rocks outside of star wars land the transition from uh frontier land to Fantasyland. That's what you're proposing?

That's not even the ones I'm talking about. Oh, you're talking about the ones along the train. The ones underneath the train tracks, when you go along the river by the Indian village. Oh, I see. Okay, okay. Yeah. Those are great fake rocks,

right by where the beaver is gnawing at the whatever post. Yeah, yeah. I think the ones you're talking about, I would need to see the cinematic transition of walking by those and then through the portal into the land to make a judgment yeah thunder trail well but a judgment we don't need to go through the rocks we're just talking about the rocks that are on the one side that are there already along the big thunder trail you know that big like that big crazy new rock that pops out so you can't like peer over when you're walking on the trail?

The entire category of rock encompasses both of these. The new rocks that have been put in to transition you into Galaxy's Edge. And those are different than Galaxy's Edge. Yeah, they're transitional rocks. You take a big thunder rock and then you just sort of morph it a little bit into a Galaxy's Edge rock. But they're in the middle They're trying to get you off They're trying to get you to

Was there a drug that transitions you off Heroin or something It's like grape juice or something Okay so well if we're Going to replace anything I think we should Knock out the black spires because We know they're wood now And four transitional rocks I think we should change this round We should knock out the black spires because we know there would now. Oh, so we're changing.

And four transitional rocks. I think we should change this round because I like the last few rounds. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, we're not going to get rid of... Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. Yeah.

This is too confusing now. I've confused by throwing a wrench at... So, Big Thunder Trail, the big... I don't know if I'd find support in this. I just wanted to make sure because I wasn't... I would say the big new rocks i'll say i'll put the river rocks and the big new rocks as the rocks because we have all experienced those forget about the black spires these are the star wars rocks now oh we changed the definition of what the star wars rocks

are the galaxy's edge rocks are all right it's the one we've actually gotten to enjoy because we have had a number of things that none of us have sampled before sure sure only mike has sampled before i see so uh okay wow well we have re uh we've redistricted some of the rocks we've changed the definition it's not the black spires it's the it's the existing star wars galaxy's edge rocks uh but they are up against a pretty even with that they're up against a pretty tough competitor they're against floating rocks against floating rocks i already none of this changes my vote i wanted to be bold and say it right away it's pandora i'm gonna go with pandora too all right how would it not be the hallelujah mountains i mean we don't even know what do you we don't

even need to say anymore they're incredible hallelujah mountains civaco we wrote we wrote so great this next round very excited for mythos restaurant at island to adventure versus mount mayday the icon of typhoon lagoon these are kind of the dark horses this is a miscellaneous round and i was gonna say mythos is my dark horse this is my dark horse and i i i as we were figuring out what to eliminate i was like if anyone says mythos i'm gonna lose my fucking mind i also i take it back what i said earlier this is a character yep that's the character that's left and you know what I we hey this is a long podcast I Jason your enthusiasm

sold me right away mythos yeah I'm not even gonna talk about this has a character the characters mouth is a waterfall this adds to the skyline of islands of adventure when you get to the port of the entry you see Jurassic Park straight ahead when you look to your right.

You see this massive fake rock structure that has no right to be as good as it is in a forgotten land. The land they almost was an afterthought. Typhoon Lagoon. You see a mountain. It is fake rocks. But you see the boat, first of all. It's the boat. The boat takes it and you can't uh you can't give

it to rocks uh because of what they're supporting it's about the rocks not what's on top of the rocks exactly so that's two for mythos yes a mythos as well wow mythos restaurant is quick i mean and we and you know when we got a we got like a zeus barfing water that's incredible not vote for that I actually remember being excited that when I found out Harry Potter was going in I was like oh does that mean they're taking out that restaurant I kind of like that restaurant and isn't it cool on the inside too it's very cool on the inside I honestly think that Universal should go back to the drug should take more inspiration for their food program from like mythos and uh on dark horse and so

and right lombards over the original universal similar menu to mythos they might even have the same menu nowadays but it's like make more of the food like these two places well they're like some of the only quality in universal florida which is it's tough food in those parts it's tough yeah there's tough so all right mythos has a tough road ahead of it because Mythos is going up against. This is, I keep calling this the crowd pleaser conference. Like these are big heavy hitters. This last, last pair of parties. The last round of the first.

The last round of the first 16. And they are the rocks as part of the Hogwarts campus in the Wizarding World of Harry Potter and Radiator Springs aka Ornament Valley. That's maybe what you technically should aka the Cadillac range. I don't know what you maybe the whole thing you would call Ornament

Valley. I think that's to pretentious it up because Radiator Springs really is the city leading up to it and i like that we have a list that has names you don't know like mount aputaku and mount prometheus you know maybe no offense so i'm gonna say if as this proceeds i kind of want to call it ornament valley all right uh sure yeah i'm gonna toss my hat in the ring for ornament valley uh beautiful another scale bump uh looks great amazing in the day amazing at night two separate

entrances two separate like visual experiences whether you come around the corner from flows or whether you come from the pacific war food court that's an incredible view that is a fantastic view and didn't learn about until like the second or third time i was there i was like wait this is the better way to come not through the amazing town through the back door there is no this round there's no question i think i advocated hogwart not hogwarts not even be in this tournament i've been thinking about it a lot actually this is one of the choices that i've been struggling with jason when we were saying do we just put a second round of star wars in that's what i wanted to bump i think we maybe made a little mistake here i think those rocks are good they're very good i have no problem with

the rocks but as the typhoon lagoon rule it's about the rocks not what the rocks are supporting that's right i think this was one where it's like well if we didn't talk about some harry potter rocks we were going to hear about it i disagree with that who was going to hear about it. I disagree with that. Who was going to do that? I don't know. If you're ready to write a letter. I don't know. Who out there listening right now, if we hadn't mentioned the Hogwarts rocks. I mean, there's a lot of rock. There's more rock in that than Splash Mountain. Yes, but it's not the quantity of rocks we're talking about.

But they're good rocks. We're not talking quantity. They're good rocks. Jason, they're all good rocks. You don't get in the final 16 if it's not good rocks. You're not making it here i'm just saying this is there's no contest to this this thing is incredible i think this is an this also an unfortunate i think it's possible that hogwarts i was thinking about proposing a

uh a supporting rocks category in which hogwarts goes up against mount mayday and then one of them is still in the race but uh that's not the case i don't think they would i don't think either of them had what it takes to get into the final four i agree um can i say what so we've made it through the 16 um and we'll we'll recap what we're left with but let's while we're talking about what didn't make it here's what's beating me up i think that maybe hogwarts should have been out maybe maybe even star wars should have been out because we don't know enough uh maybe even seven dwarf i i might have because we don't know enough. Uh, maybe even seven dwarves.

I might've bumped Hogwarts or seven dwarves in order to put in, I'm having a lot of regrets about not putting in catastrophe Canyon. I'm feeling bad about catastrophe Canyon. I guess ultimate catastrophe Canyon, which was like part of the MGM studios tram tour, uh, their, uh,

their attempts to do a universal style thing where everything goes awry and there's explosions and then we show you that it was all just an illusion uh uh the i survived podcast the ride uh catchphrase at the end is bay and or the shirt that we made of it is based on catastrophe canyon that is no that's neither here nor there we'll talk about catastrophe canyon one day uh but i you know what i think? I think these guys got squeezed. I think maybe they deserve to be in the 16th. But, well, they would be the only... I argued for...

Not really argued. I put Kong Skull Island in there, too. That's right. We were going back and forth. No character. That one got squeezed, too. No character there. A little character.

Better than Seven Dwarfs. And there's a monkey within the... Then there's a monkey. Yeah. Yeah. But it there's a monkey. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not scope always. Yeah. But I think most of that experience, it's kind of that little courtyard, right?

Yeah. It's not like... I think that if we'd put that in, that has less fake rocks than anything else in the competition. I think that's right. And I think mass is important. Scott, in the very initial list, you put down one that I was not at all familiar with and had to look up and I thought was very impressive. Yeah.

And it's in Fantasia land in Europe. In Germany, I believe. In Germany, yeah. And it's Tehran? Yeah. Tehran, I think you pronounce it? Very striking. Very interesting looking.

Google image this one, gang. Tehran is spelled T-a-r-o-n fantasia land is spelled with a ph uh this is pretty cool i think if we like were from there had been there maybe we would have put this in but this is a steel roller coaster that kind of twists around real like craggy very skull islandy rocks and a giant wall of them and it looks like a bunch of bullets stacked up. It's pretty aggressive and scary. I think you gotta dock points for that it's

kind of a rollercoaster that's just next to the rocks. They aren't really related. It's not embedded into the experience, but yeah, there's a little foreign dark horse that might have made a Final 17, but not a Final 16. Yeah.

Anything else you guys regret didn't make it um oh we talked about the rocks in the um little mermaid attraction in orlando yeah that's that may be pretty nice i think that is more interesting than than kong skull island i agree you're opening it up more. I thought we were also discussing, does anything in the Indiana Jones adventure count as a fake rock? Are the ruins fake rocks? Is Mara in the main scene a fake rock? She's, well, she is rock, right? No, isn't she metal?

I guess she is metal. Yeah, I guess you're right. You're like gold or something. Yeah, gold. The initial one, but when you will the main reveal of ah and they're the one that shoots the bridge oh yeah that's a big fake rock yeah does that count should that have been in there i mean i think we were going a lot on the out outsides of these things and i think that might i think hurt cast catastrophe canyon in my book is that you so quickly go around the corner and see the ironwork holding up the fake rocks.

But that's a big fake rock here. I mean, of all of these, that one, I guess, maybe should have been. Yeah. The Mara fake rock inside of the temple. Maybe so. But I don't think anything that we just discussed would have made it. I don't think any of it would have made it into the eight. Yeah.

Which I guess we can move into. And also, let us know if we missed anything. If we eliminated your favorite fake rock or didn't even put it in the final 16. Let us know at hashtag PTRFRF4. I'm getting better at saying it as we go on. It's a two three hundred empire type uh you dug this grave and now you get to lie in it f r four fat crap um okay so uh just to run down the full list the eight that are left matterhorn splash mountain mount aputaku big thunder mountain mount prometheus the world of

pandora the hallelujah mountains the hallelujah mountains great let's be we got to be proper uh hallelujah mountains mythos restaurant and ornament valley uh so back to the beginning matterhorn v splash mountain gotta give it to matterhorn you go we don't have to discuss all of these at length it's matter Matterhorn. Everything that we said that made me... Your initial argument, Jason, now applies. Now I feel it. And you're going up against Matterhorn. It's an icon, an icon of the LA skyline. You drive by it on the 5.

If you're going somewhere on the 5 and you can't go to Disneyland, that's the little taste that you get. You get to see that mountain from the freeway. Absolutely. It's so exciting. You see it in the randy newman video for i love la it's a part that tugs at the heartstrings for me uh it's gotta be man but you're i'm sorry to just pounce on and not let you know that's okay i mean two makes two wins so what's your vote what i say is irrelevant um uh i'm really thinking about it i probably go matterhorn though because i think if you strip away the fun stuff of splash mountain

matterhorn wins just again is all the reasons you said so i i have to go matterhorn yep yeah um the original holding firm um takes us into big thunder mount aputaka yeah all right oh shit this episode's gonna wrap up hey quicker what do you have an argument against it i mean i think this is another interesting comparison of old versus new uh i just you know i for one welcome our future chinese overlords and i think we should uh you know, embrace change, embrace the future. One might even say seize the future. And so maybe we should really consider Mount Aputaku.

Let me consider it for a second. Yeah. No, Big Thunder Mountain. Okay, and there's the bit. All right. What's your vote, though? If anybody's keeping track of the tally, are you voting for Mount Apotaku? I think, I don't know. I don't know on this one.

Hmm. Really? You would vote for Mount, what? A very, very impressed by Mount Apotaku. To, uh, Jason's credit and point, it is massive. Massive. It's insane. It's a crazy facility. and I think if we'd seen

it if we were more familiar with it prior I mean look it up it feels it's almost going to feel silly if you looked at that and said it was eliminated from a fake rock competition how could that be the case next to these puny big thunder mole hills that being said

here's where I really go to the silhouette big thunder iconic ultimately Mount apotaku is a big uh um you know it's a big it's a big wall it's a big cliff uh it's a very good one it's an incredibly good one but hey it's big thunder mountain we're talking about yeah that's true should we have included the aggro crag from oh yeah should should the aggro crag should it was it was technically on universal studios property yeah we should replace um uh let's see mythos with i'm gonna kick your ass um that's well unfortunately uh the aggro crag was not open to the public it was only open to snooty good at sports kids.

And Scott was excluded. Unpaid studio audiences. Dreamed of climbing that. As opposed to Mythos, open to the public and serving delicious meals on the daily. Yeah. But that's not where we're at right now. We're at Mount Prometheus versus the Hallelujah Mountains. This is really tough. Because if this was the final two, you'd go, that makes sense.

But we're way ahead of it. I'll let somebody else talk. I don't think I can. I mean, OK, Mount Prometheus is it is a very incredible, realistic, I would say, too. I haven't seen too many mountains in my life uh in person um but it's it is that realism it's it's obviously a little stylized and they have the lighting stuff is amazing and exploring it is amazing um but but is it more impressive to recreate the realistic or make the fantastical look

realistic? I, that's what I'm trying to grapple with right here. Yeah. I will say is the effect of the mountains as incredible as you'd want it to be. Maybe not. Of the, of the flying mountains.

Oh really? Of the mountains. And you who's been, you only you've been. And I only, I've been to, yeah, Pandora as well

To see the Hallelujah mountains In person Have you ridden On the back of The mighty Akron The mighty Akron Yeah of course

Okay great Yes Just checking I tamed it I forget something I tamed the beast You tamed it The banshee

Have you guys been To the Grand Canyon You've been to a real No No never No no no no I have been to The Petrified Forest

National Park. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. That's a... Is there any sort of like simulator ride at the Grand Canyon you could also go on? That could be... There's like a reason for me to go. You could fall to your death.

There's a helicopter and you could buy a ticket from that convenience store in Vegas that is covered in fake rocks right next to the MGM Grand Canyon. Now I'm sold. It looks like a fake. It's like where you, it's where you buy expensive waters outside casinos and like a novelty mugs that say like sluts party hard in Vegas. And, uh,

and it looks like the grand Canyon. So, so, you know, in that pairing, grand Canyon versus, uh, casino mini Mart,

that looks like the green Canyon. We're giving it to the casino mini mart yeah for sure great now scott's just looking at things in the room because i'm drinking from a swell uh official swell sluts party hearted vegas water bottle oh here i thought i was inventing so yeah you're right i was just yeah yeah usually come in and slut swag yeah you can't you gotta make it clear you love sluts yeah um so uh back to the back to the world of i mean i've only visited these places in my uh dreams and flights of whimsy um so yeah like as far as just the presentation of mount prometheus and any any angle you look at it whether you're back by i can't remember if you can completely see it when you're in Cape Cod with Duffy and friends, but you can see it in many different points of Tokyo Disney.

And it feels like so many of those places were curated perfectly to make it look like that amazing Radiator Springs view, the second entrance to uh cars land also i'll second you there having not um been there when you google image mount prometheus disney sea every photo is different as opposed to i think that does hurt like crack a tau that you're looking at a similar view over and over again and that this encompasses like so many different vantage points can be your Mount Prometheus. Yes. And that's a thing I probably said on the episode about Tokyo Disney, where it's like, oh, every single place you're standing is like the second entrance to Cars Land. God damn. Like, there's so many times you go, oh, my God, look at this view.

And then you're just standing on exactly the opposite. And you're like, oh my God, look at that. Like you start seeing things in different contexts. As we record this, I'm really close to going. So yeah, I'm flicking. Because that, yeah, that car's a view. Yeah. But you, you're just like, you'll be in Cape Cod and then you'll be like, look at New York

over there. And you'd be like, wow, it's beautiful. Like it's unbelievable. Then you'll be like down the New York street and you'll see like the big boat and you'll be like, the new york street and you'll see like the big boat and you'll be like oh my god like everything is like feels so perfectly designed to make you go whoa especially at night it seems like does this sound like uh you haven't been there does this seem accurate about disney sea that it's like looking at uh other disney theme parks but you have glasses now so you have perfect

2020 vision you see all these details you could never see before that's it that i that does make sense to me because i i don't think this is too much of a spoiler but going through just the new york section the amount of little things you notice and just like an imagineer spent what feels like a day on a little poster yeah with a bunch of jokes and a bunch of silly crap oh man and i'm sure i got we saw like five percent of it geez like you just go like hey look at this billboarder someone had to write the script for that pinkerton beating up a union striker right there's a joke there's a joke about like there's a there's a little. There's a joke about like, there's a,

there's a little like warning sign. I think, I think, I believe I have this right for train sickness and warning you about train sickness. And it's just a goof. It's just a silly little thing. Some Imagineers docked up to make like an old time,

like warning thing, a warning sign, but there's just full of stuff like that. That might've been real when trains were still a new invention. But there some funny there's funny stuff in it so if if that i'm sure people have gotten sick on a train before but if indeed it is a thing they were having fun with it like they you can just feel it if you can feel like a voice you can feel like their voices in the land especially like new that new york land so i gotta stop and read every sign oh my god that's why yeah trouble you gotta do whatever you're doing days wise and we don't know how many days

no yeah yeah big reveal but you gotta double it i think jeez so if you decide to do four now you're doing eight god i texted aaron before this and she agreed with me so she has already done it oh no she's taking care of it we all see mike also runs his decisions by yeah guys so and then you're not wrong aaron runs her decisions by mike so basically mike is running all of our lives and i ask jason's ice cream wife to give me a final like uh declaration on any of these decisions which means mike's just constantly helping ice cream escape from my house so i have a real parasitic relationship with him you don't even like sweets mike just tricked you into liking it for his amusement yeah and tricked me into painting that white picket fence he got

i'm still mad about that he said it was fun it is fun i also there's another fence i do have outside here that's actually a little bit more of a fun fence to paint, if you wouldn't mind. I just want you to try it out. We'll wrap the episode for you. But this one's fun. This one's more fun than the other one. All right. Because that one was a bummer.

Oh, yeah, you're right. So if you would put your stuff down, and we'll finish this while you go and do this fun thing for me. Give me the other recorder. I'll do a second gate episode about painting the fence. Okay. This is more fun than any ride. Let me dive in. so it seems like hold

on hold on well boy i don't think i'm not exactly sure where it's going so tokyo disney i mean every spot you see it beautiful perfect however if we're taking the mountain out itself and comparing it to the fake rocks so you take the fake rocks out and compare it to the other fake rocks. These in these rocks in Pandora are floating. You don't see them anywhere else. They're cool. They, they're, they certainly are realistic, but this, there's no fake rocks anywhere that are above your head like this this that if you're at the right angle are floating i think just purely for that fact and for the innovation and for how unique they are they beat mount prometheus um jason whatever you have to say just take take your time because i

need to i need to like think about this for another second if you have any if you have any thoughts because i'm like this is a really tough one i mean i think it is uh unique i you know to peel back the curtain a little bit the support beams for holding up those fake rocks are like built into the giant vine sort of connecting them all um which is like yeah they really had to think outside of the box james cameron is very high standards high expectations so building these fake rocks they were kind of dealing with that although that said the oriental land company also very high expectations the japanese people have very high expectations for their disney parks um yeah i don't know. I mean, both are real hypothetical for me, but that floating might be the thing that tips it. And I also haven't seen Avatar. I don't think I've ever finished a Jules Verne book. I think it's very funny that there's a whole generation of Imagineers who are just tickled pink by Jules Verne, like uh well after he was dead um once and once a an artist dies

you have to disavow their work forever they're dead and so is their work but i think specific idiosyncratic to jules verne that he was like he was an originator of sci-fi but back then like sci-fi everyone was still wearing high starched collars and four different jackets at a time but everyone's still amazed of like he thought he had the idea to shoot a gun at the moon yeah that is cool that is cool uh you know does james cameron have that sort of thing so you're now you're comparing cameron to vern which is cool which cameron might be our jules verne he could be i mean and he actually he has these ideas and then sometimes he just goes and does them like if i went in a tiny can to the bottom of the sea right he has

his own jules verne like submarine yeah yeah so we're gonna be like there's gonna be theme park attractions in 100 years where some actors playing. Well, I'm James Cameron. I know you're going to say that in 100 years, there'll be podcaster attractions. It's like. Oh, certainly. Yes. Yeah.

You'll be able to ride our logo. It'll be a functional ride. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. This is so, so close this round. This may end up being the closest round, but I think... We're stuck on it and avoiding the decision.

I think we need to keep moving, and I think Mike has convinced me with that floating argument. So, I'm gonna lock in for Pandora. Yeah, I mean, I can't... I think this is a little... I think it's a little insane that we're getting to the end. And if Mount Prometheus and Expedition Everest are not, this, they have not made, I think that's bizarre. But you know what? Your initial, it's rocks, not mountains, Jason, which I think has been a lot of nice sayings that have come out of this sure it's rocks not mountains it's about the it's about the rocks not what the rocks are supporting uh and so i have to um i have to i have to agree with this philosophy and yeah i just like literally the because like uh i don't know maybe maybe maybe you have to call them different classifications in a way of is a volcano a rock i guess so i guess these are like several these are like more distinctly a bunch of big rocks yeah and the rocks are instantly

iconic they instantly take you to a place it's a place that i want to go even though i don't like the avatar film too much but i'd like to go there I'd like to see that rock. Like just quietly whispering, that's weird. It's very funny. Am I the first maybe to have the opinion that Avatar is not the finest film in the history of man? I mean, everyone has an opinion about it. I've got to sit down and watch that movie one of these days. Have you not ever watched it? I've never seen it. about it sit down and watch that movie one of these days have you not ever watched you know what i've seen a lot of clips on on uh in-store uh demo tvs and every i feel like every

time i fly now it's an option to watch on my ipad and i just never want to make the whatever three-hour commitment or whatever and i know that it's not it's so tiny to see it that way but avatar that's not a movie we do have repertory cinema we have the new bev and the downtown independent we do have places that play uh older movies but you don't see avatar on that circuit very much so i don't i'm kind of stuck i think i just need to watch it on my normal 30 inch tv at some point if i'm ever going to see it that's how i ended up seeing it yeah um people who saw it in the perfect clarity are probably angry at this point um but hey don't tell me what conditions i need to see a movie it was also like i remember too thinking like what the fuck is going on it's the height of the recession and everyone's like you gotta pay the 25 to see it

in imax but 3d imax it's like are you out of your fucking mind were you really upset about that it was weird it did seem like an out of like it seemed out of step with the culture at the time that you had to pay 30 to see you have to see this movie anyway how's the job hunt coming like this is not something i mean i was not making any money in 2009 but i wasn't i was just like oh the filmmaker said it would be good to do it in the way he made the movie it wasn't like what a disgusting says like that is also a thing that bugs every filmmaker says like well you should say it in the theater it's like yeah no shit it's a movie like i don't know you were so bothered by like peter jackson telling you to see something in like a different frame rate uh does does he say that well the hobbit was shot in what's

a what's uh the double 48 yeah yeah i did see that in whatever his frame rate and i i mean those so peter you'll listen to peter jackson but i think it was i don't know that you had an option and there was a recession the economy was booming at that time that is true i did see all the hobbits my family likes tolkien so that those i did see i have seen all of those during the recession you only went to you only did nickelodeons you only went and peered into i watched a great movie about a guy doing the wash maybe it was also the added caveat of like if if if you can't see it that way don't see it at all and it's like well how's the script and how's the acting not a lot of people coming in hot for like oh the story's really good the script's really good the acting's really good the song and the credits is much better than my heart will go on but you'd only know that if you heard it in the movie theater if you just heard it on your uh on your

ipod you'd probably think it was worse but you're wrong the song is better the artist is an artist i can name uh yeah there's like that's something i mean that said i kind of agreed with, I do think that is a very funny clip of David Lynch going like, you gotta be a fucking idiot if you're gonna watch a movie on your phone. Like, I do think that's pretty funny. It seems like you just want it coming from the right guy or girl. Maybe. Did you see the Hateful Eight Roadshow version? Did I?

I saw it at the Dome, at the Arclight Dome. Was dome was there like a road show was the overture and the intermission in it and did you get a booklet like a book no i don't think i saw that i'm already tired we i mean i have we saw it in burbank here a couple years ago with the full intermission and that was like a night at the theater i know it was fun i mean i do have the movie bill for uh Mission Impossible Fallout we got a program we saw that how did Christopher McQuarrie demand we see that in a certain no way no no we volunteered to see it in both IMAX and 40s and 40s yeah madness yeah um all right we'll see we'll end up spending we'll all end up spending like personally $202 on the next avatar.

Oh yeah, for sure. There's going to be like only one theater that is up to the standards of James Cameron. Well, we got to figure out who's bearing those seeds or who's buying in the water. James Cameron and Neil Young both love seeds. I forgot.

I didn't think about that. Neil Young should do a song. He's our new Jules Verne and our new Neil Young. Yeah,. I forgot I didn't think about that. Neil Young should do a song. He's our new Jules Verne and our new Neil Young. Yeah. That'd be great if there was like a credit song for Avatar, a Neil Young song about seeds, but he still tries to squeeze in anti-Monsanto lyrics into it. The Monsanto years is one of his newer albums. Really?

What was that bad George Bush song? He just did the song Let's Impeach the President. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Monsanto Years is one of his newer albums. Really? What was that bad George Bush song? He just did the song Let's Impeach the President. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He is, I saw him a couple years ago, and it was at the Forum. This is real quick. He came out. He played After the Gold Rush, which is maybe top 10 songs in my mind of all time. He played Old Man.

He played, I think maybe, Oh, Love Can love can break your heart no maybe not that one he played like five classics sounded amazing just him and the piano him and the guitar and then all of a sudden he had theatrics and people and hazmat suits came out starbucks he sing the Starbucks? Doesn't he have like a Starbucks? He might. Make you go. That sounds crazy. Go to hell, Starbucks. He then had theatrics and people came out in hazmat suits and like sprayed down the stage. And it was an environmental message.

And then he did a bit where like there was some law about like not being able to like distribute seeds in California. He's like, so we're going to be be distributing seeds here tonight and then like people came into the audience with like seeds and i was like what the hell is this whoa people with baskets it was theme parky for neil especially you don't think of as like a theatrical guy always just looks like shit are they part of the crew or are they like task rabbit people the seed people no i'm not sure if he was doing this at every stop who are the seed people yeah what can we learn from them uh but neil yeah he did some theme park theatrics in the middle of this concert well what'd you do with your seeds i didn't get any seats i was front i was in the pit and it was mostly up in the seat people with the seats okay because it was harder for a person to go through the pit probably oh sure all right so let's close out i i feel like this is going to be another fast one as much as i i stand for universal mythos versus ornament valley yeah i mean it can't

yeah sorry sorry i'm glad i'm really glad mythos made it yeah Yeah, I am too. I think we have a really good Final Four. We're in the Final Four. No universal entries. All domestic. They need to step up the fake rock game. I think that is the biggest thing they

need to do. We'll see what happens in that Fantastic Worlds or maybe not, depending on what the lawyers say uh fantastic worlds park are there any prominent rocks in nintendo like will donkey kong have good rocks even though they're like cartoon rocks potentially if they make the rumor was they were gonna like demolish and maybe mythos to make zelda right isn't that the rumor or no no no i think they would probably demolish the side yes sorry it's over by there not in the front of the park okay um yeah so that's the rumor so zelda

might have some great great fake rocks if they do a full hyrule area i hope so and especially universal hollywood could use some better uh fake rocks yeah but that's very lacking in that we'll see um but but we oh my god i think this is a great pairing because it's kind of like traditional and original and yeah old school imaginary versus new school we could not have planned this better we ended up in a great place just to say it we will now be figuring out matterhorn versus big thunder mountain and hallelujah mountains versus ornament valley that is pretty wild because yeah hallelujah and ornament valley those are the two biggest newest lands themed lands that disney is built

domestically and i like that old like like classic has to face off against classic and newest face off against new because one might trump the other just by being new yes right but it's but there will then be a showdown between old and new i really like this all right so uh two classics here uh two titans of the disneyland skyline and i will say it is boy like looking looking out of from the parking garage these days of now of theires, be they lyre trees or not, and being able to see Splash and Matterhorn and Big Thunder, it's just so that the mountain range is becoming more robust. Yeah, it is. It's great. I'm very fond of both of these, and it's hard to make a decision where you knock out one of them. Okay, I've got an argument that i

don't think has come up yet that might be able to help turn it what do you guys think it's easier to do when it comes to fake rocks paint them gray or paint them earth tone like orangey brown earth tone uh because that's a big deciding that's a big distinction between these two my knee jerk is orangey earth but why uh uh then why would gray be you mean like simulating snow what do you think well no because i think the rocks are more more gray kind of rocks and and the um uh at the matterhorn and big thunder is more orangey like in the national Park kind of canyons and stuff. Why would one be harder? I guess my question is just,

do you think one looks better than the other? It comes down to that. I think a lot of what's on our list has been more earth tone. And for some reason, I think it's a little more difficult to capture. I think there's more like subtlety texture in the more of the earth tone range uh uh matterhorn i don't think the word kitsch has come up yet but matterhorn has kitsch you think so is that a good thing or bad thing i think it's a good thing um i like it i mean it's

it's everywhere in the shit we like kitschitsch is everywhere. And I, I will say that that is, it's a kitschier look than all the other things I think on this list, maybe on the whole, on almost all of the original 16. Um, yeah. Uh, let me sit.

This is very difficult. I use it. You go ahead. Well, let me say a couple nice things about the, about the Matterhorn. Hey, it's the only one of these fake rocks where there are real rock climbers. Well, that's true.

That's not a thing about it. What a nice little, like, I don't know, what a nice tribute to it. A treat. i don't know what a nice tribute uh to it a treat uh um and and that it's it's realistic enough that people wanted to climb it like it was real uh remember back when the sky the skyway went through it also oh yeah before either of our times be able to come out here but man i i love always love those kind of sky buckets correct okay here Okay, here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is the pinnacle of a certain type of theme park rock. It doesn't get any better than that.

Like, we've seen that road. We've seen it at Knott's. We've seen it in other parks. We've seen it in other Disney parks. But it's sort of, it's iconic. It's obviously a little whimsical, like some of the different, you know, whatever we saw. What did you say about the plops, the different plops? Uh-huh.

I said they were like poops. Yeah. So they're like a big stack of turds. I think for me, just because it seems perfect, I guess it's, I can't divorce completely the ride from my mind because I think we called the ride perfect. But I think probably of this type of fake rock, I think I know big Thunder mountain is my choice. Um, I'm going to throw a thing out,

which is like, uh, what holds up when you get, when you get up close, you know, we haven't talked about is touching these rocks. Okay. Not all of them.

Can you touch and it's fun to touch them it's fun whether you're a kid or a grown-up feel that that scaly texture some of them i some some fake rocks i think you touch and you feel the more that they are metal you feel the fakeness they certainly none of them feel like real rocks because those would be those would be dusty those would have uh uh you know more of a coating and they don't they don't have that but just when you think about that cue at uh at big thunder uh how it's not just what what rises up and uh forms the big thunder skyline it's also that you're winding around and into that town and running your hand along all of those right

and if you like that that every every one of them has uh has character if you know it's it's weird it's weird as saying we're doing fake rocks but these are some of these things are roller coasters with many rocks and some of them are one yeah giant rock it's a little weird to quantify but i think if we're grouping by attraction there's so many unique specific fake rocks yeah within big thunder yep and i would also say i don't know i'm sure there's like a different interesting way to make a big thunder i'm sure some new young innovative innovating mind could come in and prove to me that this is a better way and these are cooler fake rocks i don't know i can't imagine that i can't imagine the kitschy better 2019 version of the matterhorn i can imagine a cartoonish mountain like that for the year 2019 it's not the pinnacle in my mind

of kitschy mountains i think you could do it better uh-huh i know part of it is just because it's old that's fun and that's kitschy but i could see a version that improves on the and keeps its cartoonish elements um is it possible that within this and this might uh uh here's there's a phrase that i should i should throw in is it possible that within our decision making that there is a baxter bias i think that's definitely in play everybody uh people listening know how we feel about tony baxter and his baby i listened to at 2 a.m last night just an old season pass episode i think it went to part five interview with tony baxter just because i needed to go to sleep and i needed a pleasant voice and i just wanted to hear him like describe like

the sleeping beauty ride that didn't get built or yeah no good voice that's true his philosophy about uh lands and rides and he wins the voice competition yes Yes, he does. But like, does our mythologizing of him color our view of the actual? And are we. Well, how is your vote going to go? I don't know. I don't really want to. In high regard. I'm just wondering, do we like, are we throwing Walt Disney off the cliff?

And what is it? He this was he wanted a rock He wanted a big mountain in his park And he pioneered this whole area But that might be a knock against it Like an insane that insane Apocryphal story Of him sending a postcard that just says

Build this you know But it's Louie Louie better than Golden Slumbers by the beat Like you know what I mean? Like, sure, that matter was first and Walt did something very crazy, cool and impressive. But we can't just go by the past. We have to say we have to stack them up unobjectively, take them out of the past. Yeah.

First off, Louie Louie is definitely not better than Golden Slumbers. I agree. I'm just saying that was an earlier rock and roll song. I understand. I should have picked, you know what? i should have picked you know what i should have picked something a little more innovative well i think uh this might be counter to your point but i think rapper's delight is still the best rap song it's all been downhill ever since then and all of these swears and gang stories have gotten in the way of fun stories about trying to hide your food at

your dinner you know you really gotta you really gotta every time rap comes up in your comedy you you just go off on that long rant like that you really gotta open up they got it right the first time okay and we have just been treading water and then i'll talk about that for a little bit and then i'll do a kind of like my name is scott well that's you love them my name is blank yeah motif uh they they did i wouldn't i wouldn't comment on it if they didn't do it if it wasn't right yeah these rappers um a bunch of junk uh uh anyway old conservative like dean like this is no talent since they just talk over the music it's not even music you know which is funny because now a lot of those old old rappers are uh rich and probably

conservative and old yeah um there's there's no way to completely remove our biases that's the problem so we have to try our best to do it and then ultimately whatever's in there whatever's baked into our brains it's just there i think but the maker of the of the rock i think is i think if some of these uh among other you associate with a person uh a specific person more than others and that that can be a cool facet to a fake rock do i see tony's smiling face as we round the bend a couple times yeah of course i see his face in all the rocks, but I can't not see it. I can't not see the man.

You just see stars on the Matterhorn because of the blood vessels bursting in your eyes and skull. Yeah, it's rattling me. Well, just like in the next category, you know, you can't help but go on these rides and think about the directors of the films that they're based on, Avatar and Cars. You can't help but go on these rides and think about the directors of the films that they're based on avatar and cars you can't help but just see the smiling face of the director

you could have gone the nice way and said joe roadie smiling face filmmakers i don't know one one round at a time okay yeah yeah yeah yeah let's go let's go back with you i um i don't know do you have more to do you have more to parse that i almost feel like i don't want all of these to be like i almost sometimes i'm like should we just both say it oh yeah you should say it at the same time but maybe you haven't decided if you've decided you should say it at the same time no i'm stuck and i think i just need to make a decision and go go with it okay all right let's do the same time all right i'll count one two three go after go then you guys both say it at the same time unless you didn't hear me

all right one two three go and after go then you say it all right here we go one two three go big thunder all right all right we're friends again mike's passioned argument about a certain type of of rock and could we do kitsch better now i mean it was worth raising but i you know i always knew uh and i'd be sad if big thunder wasn't still alive in this uh this competition uh i mean this is a tough one too too. I'm leaning towards Ornament Valley, I got to say. Not just because it's the one I've seen in person. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't want to just dead air on that.

Forget about the Mighty Akron. Well, it's hard to divorce. Think about all that Tom Fulch. It's hard to divorce from Jake Sully and all of his travels and trials and tribulations. But I will. I will remove myself. I will move that part of my brain while I'm deciding this okay Jake Sully aka Johnny working class Johnny regular man there are so many fake rocks in Ornament Valley in ornament valley so like you could almost say it's just the thing that you're at the big like trapezoid that you go that you round the bend on you could just do the back wall uh you could i feel like i'm i'm forgetting one um yeah there's yeah there's a lot of good specific there's like

though there's the waterfall when you're around the bend Right And there's the Cadillacs The Cadillac range The Cadillac range is so That's character That's a little character in there And the arch that you go through From the quarf

So here's what I'm thinking I go okay if Hal Luyaman's beat Mount Prometheus would Mount Prometheus Versus Ornament Valley, would I say Ornament Valley beats it? That's what I'm trying to figure out. And I will go back to my original argument that Mount Prometheus, beautiful, is also dressed up by the most beautiful theme park in the world. Everything around it is amazing. All of the views are perfect. we're talking about ornament valley it's just ornament valley there's nothing around it plussing it up it's just when we're looking at it we're just looking at this massive structure these massive fake rocks that they built i'm saying there's nothing you're saying it's that's a positive because it stands on its own yes it stands on its own all we're assessing is ornament valley Valley, whereas Mount Prometheus, it's almost impossible to divorce it from the rest of the park in my mind. So does that continue to Pandora?

Because that's in a very beautiful park as well. It is. But as I said before, I was a bit underwhelmed for just sort of the placement. Like when you walk in, it's not sort of the wow you get from cars land either entrance it's cool i would argue that sort of the best place to be in pandora is sort of under the under the mountains and then in the queue for flight of passage that to me is sort of the most special part of it um and it's great fake rock stuff but if you're over by the soul canteen not as beautiful of a view

When you enter the land Not as beautiful either entrance The second entrance Saul Canteen Whatever it's called Saatouli I always call it Saul's Canteen That's embarrassing

Come on down to Saul's Canteen That's embarrassing for a big Pandora head like me But look My brain is fried from this too So please forgive me So that being said, I think I have to give it to Ornament Valley. I mean,

I want to live in Ornament Valley. Yes. Yep. Yeah. Like that's a beautiful place to live. Yeah. And that may be more than almost anything else on this list. I'm trying to look and see if there's another place I would want to live.

I mean, I want to live all of these places, but that's another place I would want to live. I mean, I want to live all of these places, but. That's a good question. Ornament Valley. I mean. I want to live on the top of the Matterhorn. Hogwarts, I guess. But there's always like, what if you just wanted to go to school?

Like, what if you just wanted to get your degree and didn't want to deal with all this fucking adventures and there's Nazi wizards outside and people keep dying? Like, what if you're just like, I just want to get a degree and work a job? It depends, though. deal with all this fucking adventures and there's nazi wizards outside and people keep dying like what if you're just like i just want to get a degree and isn't it we're a good job it depends though there's got to be there were like peaceful decades at hogwarts right i presume there wasn't a voldemort kind of hanging around i don't know i guess yeah i guess that's accurate i assume though that maybe we were times of peace yeah we just saw a tumultuous period of it but then all the mischief i bet

the mischief never went away there was always mischief there was always whimsical english english mischief and since it is a british boarding school something a lot more sinister probably under the surface too but let's move on from that yeah sure uh so uh i hate to vote orally again no that no that's where i was heading. But it's Ornament Valley. Yeah. You know, hey, let me throw in the alcohol argument. The ability to, you know, hey, this is unfair to Big Thunder or other things. You know, I can't enjoy. It's a crime that I can't enjoy a big old beer in the line for Big Thunder.

I can in ornament valley uh and it's it's one of my favorite places to have a beer in the world like it makes that single rider go by so fast and so smooth and just and and like it's already a fast single rider so you must not always oh there's times where you know i've had like 45 minutes oh it's long hanging out there with it with aaron and we've had we've had like good deep conversations and just like that's nice yeah yeah uh it's it's real nice and yeah she's she's you know patio flows yeah if you want to really leisure you drink the beer on the patio flows looking at the valley you know i guess i don't

know i want to be in it i want i want it to envelop me uh and i i like a good amber be i like more like red beer there to match the the the red hue wow of the valley and i kind of especially if i i like to i don't buy a beer i buy a beer in the in pacific wharf from carl stress and then walk that through the arch get in the line that way the more scenic route uh that's that that's that's maybe the best way to drink in the park and what i do when i drink in cars land is go to one of the cones uh one of the big cones and get the vodka lemonade and there is an amazing sugar like cream they put on top of it you You know what I'm talking about. Oh, that is good, yeah.

It's really good. And it's not even that overwhelming. It's like a subtle sugar cream, believe it or not. And I like getting that and going into the line for Cars Land. I like, this is the only place I found this. And maybe it was just one person. Maybe if I go back, they won't do it. But if you get the soft serve in the cup at the cozy cone they will do the

dip they will dip the cup and what happens with that if you dip the soft serve in the cup then when the ice cream then when the chocolate hardens starts breaking off it just goes into the cup then you got all this chocolate at the end with the cone it's a race against time but they thought i was crazy when I asked for that At one of the other places Now say that last sentence In Peter Lorre's voice They thought I was crazy

At one of the other They all thought I was crazy They all thought I was crazy A dick's cup He's mad They say They all thought I was I like it

We all I mean we all just said Something that We should all repeat In Peter Lorre's voice Because we're all maniacs Who are like, yeah, then we get a beer and then we go on the line and we relax. I had a single beer. I must be mad.

We're crazy. But like the, I'm just saying drinking by the Vicarox and imagining. It's all well and that we, if you listened to the full two hours leading up to this point, only that was the craziest part. That is a perfect gradient, though. From me, pure alcohol, you, alcohol with a lot of sugar, and Jason, pure sugar. That kind of describes the types. A perfect transition. Much like the rocks in Ornamental Valley.

Well, it's not Ornamental Valley, but sure. Oh, God. Ornamental Valley. We've been doing this for too long so we're down to the final two and I love the final two I don't think like a not worthy one snuck in yeah and there's not one in

the back that I'm wishing was in there maybe some people listening feel a different way but let us know hashtag PTR frf4 um but i love what's in here and we're we're very southwest aren't we we're very because of the various there's i forget which is which but there's a big thunder that is bryce canyon and there's a big thunder that's zion and then ornament valley is very californ California off road or like Route 66, like between cities and roadside attractions. So we're covering the Southwest.

They're similar types. It's funny that we landed. And you know what I think is it's probably not an accident because it's very warm colors. There's earthy colors, you know, back down towards the base camp in the beginning 16, but they're a little more unfriendly. Maybe you don't want to reward like lava rocks or like dark, scary rocks. I think that the like not even realizing the pleasantness of both of these rocks. Yeah.

Overruled everything else. Maybe a darker person would have picked darker rocks but these are all these are joys to hang out in i i'll send out while while you can't uh enjoy a beer in this line uh not a bad place to hang out this is big thunder is a place where i'll i'll do a standby line that even is a little longer because you get to end i think it is the rocks that's my rule with with the lines if i can hang out with a bunch of rocks i'm great but if i'm in some boring building i'm upset it also moves that line moves it does it always has views different perspectives maybe a little less it's a little more claustrophobic the line for uh radiator

springs but uh i don't know but you do you know you get different vantage points and uh uh you know sort of you know see more as you nestle into the attraction um here's something to talk about um there's multiple uh specific landmarks in in both of these in the final two if you had to say like what's like what's your favorite rock maybe that would help tilt it and that's a good point um my favorite rock because mayor i'll go first really fast that while you're tempted to just say like it's it's you know the tall rock and big thunder you know what's real nice is that uh that kind of overhang with the dinosaur bones oh yeah uh you know I guess that's cool because of the dinosaur bones,

but you got to give credit to the rocks for... For supporting the bones. Yes, but I guess it's not about what's supporting them. I think, like, the big choice for me might be that sort of, like, speed, whatever you call that in a car, like, the ornament in the center of Ornament Valley. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But in terms of, of like subtlety i really like the the yeah where you can see the different gradients as if time has passed time or water has passed on the the walls yeah that's beautiful uh i mean nighttime nighttime on both these rides are great but it's i don I don't know. It's so hard. I mean, I know it's so easy to go the new one with all the new stuff. But, yeah, I don't know. I think I'm leaning towards Ornament Valley. Mm-hmm.

The, yeah, I'm trying to like, favorite. The rocks are so, like, I'm trying to think of other than that Yeah the big famous one what's my favorite on Big Thunder I think yeah there's so many Is the goat standing on a rock or is he standing On a crate I don't think I know of

Jason do you know this No let me see here He's on a rock He's on a rock and he's on a coolish a cool rock yeah nice little nice little stump hey the fact that they brought think about this the fact that they brought beloved property star wars into the parks and they had to think about how to like we have to make this perfectly nestle next to this Disneyland stalwart. We have to build an in-between of Big Thunder. We're tying together the mythology of Big Thunder Mountain and Star Wars.

That says something. Yes. They were for sure when they were making this, those black spires mirror Big Thunder. Because they didn't want to ruin the skyline. It doesn't matter at Hollywood Studios because no one gives a shit, but they were very specific to be like, we want to make sure this sort of fits in when you're like looking far back that if you're just sort of seeing big thunder and black spire,

you go, maybe those are all sort of the same thing. So you could say a black spire is sort of like a tribute in a weird way. I mean, would it have that? would it have the mountain range if not for right you it was going to go next it might it might not even be called black spire outpost because obviously the spires are the iconic thing but they needed to put those spires there i think to if they were going to build something that massive to make it sort of fit

when you're looking at the disneyland skyline anything for florida no no because it they're just it's a big empty area yeah it's it's next to the muppet thing yeah just paint the muppets off just paint the muppet stuff people like um i think um you guys should uh take into account i think i think you should look at if you haven't already look at big thunder paris oh oh because it's bigger it's grander it replaces tom sawyer island um you're more in and out like this bigger show scenes you're inside tunnels for longer it's it's it's something if we're if we're struggling to make big thunder seem grandiose next to the pure size of radiator springs Springs, Paris might do it.

Doesn't that feel like tricks, though? Oh, it's an island. Oh, it's real big. Oh, it replaces this. Doesn't that feel like a cheat code? You can say that's not part of the decision, I guess. But I don't know that it's a trick. I don't think the fact that it's an island.

I just think the actual, like, look at this version. It's just like a, It's a more grand version and probably one of the most successful upgrades in a way that happened in Disneyland Paris. Yeah, I mean, that's neat. But, like, but Ornament Valley has, like, two of the greatest eyelines, like, ever.

Like, not just the one coming through the town. Like, and in the background of the town it's got the back entrance so difficult every view when you're on the ride itself you wish you could be snapping photos the whole time but it's going too fast when you go in with that final drop down like under a big rock um the the big straight away uh the views are so grand where you curve into the rocks yep yep oh god this sucks this decision sucks i'm gonna lock it in i think i'm locking in my vote for ornament valley hang on one minute i mean do that feel free to do it i'm actually i'm gonna i'm gonna throw a little diss at ornamentnament Valley Okay go ahead And see if that changes Does this ring a bell

Scott really likes Tony Baxter It's that Yes Tony didn't build the other one No Okay It's a space issue right They had to That ride is so backed up

Right to Cotella Yes it is Avenue And the very back wall Where it's sort of the rocks are a little more faded to make it look a little more distant i feel the flatness of the of the like like what you know is right against the street does this sound familiar to anybody you're talking about the ones that look like the the um the the back of a car yeah the cadillac uh um i you know i you're saying that there's the that doesn't have the dimension i agree it doesn't have the dimension i think they

did a good job like facading it like making it look like it has shape and depth right i think it's i mean it's it's remarkable but we're being picky here this is the final round yeah that's something that was in my back pocket. Like, is that a tie? I think the novelty tops it. I think the novelty. Oh, that's a fair argument.

I don't think the, uh, I don't think I, I don't think about Catella being right there, but I know what you're saying that it doesn't have a tremendous amount of dimension. If you can, my phone is far away from you,

but this is what I'm talking about like just can you look at that and feel or maybe you can't well that's a that is a particularly bad picture of it well that's what i was trying to find because sometimes you get a bad i'm not going to show you the the nicest photo but i think that's one of the best parts of it is the fact that it is different no that that is like such a distinct thing i think regular people go like oh yeah that's awesome like the bat like a cadillac i think that that novelty outweighs what is the thing about it can we um it is like it's five cadillac what hood ornaments uh um no it's like the tail the tail yeah okay yeah uh-huh uh-huh and it's like they represent all different years of classic

um uh uh i just want to like this is this is a very specific uh facet i would like to get it right uh um that yeah i don't know that's uh uh that is the code the cadillac range okay and they all represent different years of cat that's that's cool to use rocks you know what mike you're talking character uh we're not sure that it's a you know you can maybe uh grizzlies to uh they're maybe they're too subtle with the grid this is like a subtle aspect of that back wall that if you know it you know it and if not if not, they just look like the rocks. It's a little Easter egg. I will say I started this. I was sure I was going to vote one way.

And then I switched in my head of like, no, you know what? I think I'm voting the other way. And now I think I'm voting back the first way. Oh, boy. I've gone like it's been a roller coaster in my head is what I'm saying. And I'm still not sure. But this is. Jason, you're locked in you're locked

in for sure ornament i'm gonna lock it in yeah scott are you locked in in your head i i i feel like you are yeah yeah i feel like you are i feel like you are i think i think i think so so scott just say it i'm not locked in oh wait a minute but maybe we both need to make a decision maybe you can't be in a time breaker because this makes it interesting well i think here's i think i think uh insist that we both say it at the same time if you're gonna vote the same as jason and if you're not say it now uh wait i got i got lost in there so if you're gonna vote with jason just say it because then it wins it's over but if you're gonna vote against jason and it's gonna

break it down to me then we increase the tension maybe you just maybe you just need to uh make a decision without me that's fine i'm just saying if you know you can just yeah end it or you can increase the tension i think you i well i think the best way to increase the tension is for you to go well i just have to figure it out the best way would be for one of you to go because i'm getting hungry the tension inside your stomach is growing yes uh i mean okay i guess i can decide here um i think when you're divorcing yourself from all of it the history who made it the ride itself they're both great rides i think i'm going to say just because of that goddamn second entrance ornament valley i am also going with ornament wins wow ornament valley is taking theanimous in the final round.

Final four. Incredible. What an exciting upset. I thought for sure Big Thunder was going to win when we were going into the round. I hadn't thought about it. Huh. Because I was trying not to think about it to get some discovery. Uh-huh.

No, we needed to delay it. But yeah, no, weirdly, it's not even the dead center of it. It's the arch. It's the arch it it's the arch it's the arch with the many layers of rocks behind it it's that's like got to be one of the most instagrammed locations i don't know offhand but in my who i follow on instagram yeah for sure i bet if you charted it it's probably castle by default and then this it gave california adventure the landmark yeah that it needed i think it saved california adventure in a way it went so far beyond a film that a lot of us don't really care about that's true made by a pervert

uh correct um it yes it transcended pervertdom it's a it's had so many calling this an underdog somehow yeah this is this very expensive theme park ride is the ultimate underdog yeah it seems like it though when you think about the other famous mountains because it's not sort of talked about in the same breath as they are it's not a mountain this goes back to jason's point getting rocks versus my brain young buck young 2012 right yeah yeah yeah new on the scene but not but like clearly it feels like it was always there it's like you can't even imagine the park without it uh and not even just because the ride is so good i really think yeah that it added what what california Adventure did not have was beauty.

And I think they added a moment and a reveal. It's maybe more beautiful than anything in Disneyland, arguably. Yeah. Like beauty. There's a lot of cool in Disneyland. But like the grandeur, they just blew up a parking lot and filled it with fake rocks. Yep. The stature is staggering it's the

this is it's huge it's great yeah in a way it's like how could we not have seen this coming how could we not have known the sentiment towards big thunder but you know what else isn't isn't it in a way a tribute to big thunder that it's playing in that same southwest yeah type of raw i think all of the warm feelings we have about big thunder that it's playing in that same southwest yeah type of raw i think all of the warm feelings we have about big thunder we have uh with this as well yeah one way to to pick ornament valley also acknowledges big thunder which and to pick big thunder acknowledges the matterhorn i think our lineage was uh uh was great it's kind of like we did it perfectly you know we nailed it the one thing that's inarguable is that

our order is exactly right yep and even if you use hashtag ptr fr f4 you're wrong and we're right yep that's true we did such a good job at our podcast we did so we do a good job all the time and we just need to acknowledge that like it's okay to be proud it is okay and let's be proud i'm proud yeah i'm proud yeah let's let's all be proud boys yeah let's stick to that ptr frf4 all right we'll do that all right but i'm i'm very curious okay so you can watch we'll post every step of this go to that hashtag ptr frF4 on our Twitter. We'll show you. We'll also post a blank bracket,

and you can see how Ornament Valley ascended from base camp up to the peak, though it is not a mountain. You're right. But wait, it's the Cadillac. I'm sorry. It also has the most names. You've got to be prepared for that. Radiator Springs, Ornament Valley, which features the Cadillac range.

Yeah. Cool. And if it's not complicated. If you wanted to list all those out, you'd use a few commas. And you know what makes a great attraction? Lots of punctuation. Punctuation.

Punctuation, baby. That's a future Final Four, is the theme park punctuation. Oh my God. That's actually pretty good. Oh wow. The convoluted theme park name. Yeah. Because there's a lot more of those coming. We know that. Oh, my God. That's actually pretty good. Oh, wow. The convoluted theme park name. Because there's a lot more of those coming.

We know that. For sure. They haven't even named the Guardians coaster in Epcot yet. That's going to be a nightmare. Oh, my gosh. Imagine what a full sentence that will be. Guardians coaster, colon, James Gunn is back, colon, rockets, rocket to the moon. P the moon parentheses maybe figments in it parentheses figment and buzzier in it point uh and then there's that's only like 25 of it yeah yeah um

i love this this is great i think this worked out perfectly no fights transpired and i hope if you were listening for that if you wanted us to get at each other's throats, it almost didn't happen. But that's sort of, that's kind of our podcast in a nutshell, I think. Sometimes we fight, but it's about things that probably aren't theme park related. Usually I just need to eat a Snickers

because I'm not me when I'm hungry. You turn into Hondo. Anyway, Danny DeVito, Hondo Anaka, I was going to say, Elton John. Jackie Mason. Jackie Mason. That's not a real one, is it? From my favorite movie, Caddyshack 2.

Oh, yeah. Is Jackie Mason still alive? Yes, he is. We watched it. I think we watched 10 minutes of Caddyshack 2. I think we watched the first 10 minutes of Caddyshack 2 at Thanksgiving in 2010 in my apartment. Something like that, yeah. Wow.

Much better than me. What a story. Well, anything else to say? I really want to hear. It'll be exciting when we post this. I want to hear everybody's takes and thoughts. And also, what's our next Final Four? Next April, what should we be getting into?

We have ideas already, but what do you want to see us uh narrow down what are the hot button issues that we can solve definitively yeah we'll do it let us know um great i think we got it so follow us on twitter uh at at podcast the right hashtag ptr f4 f4 frf4 uh instagram tag us on instagram with some of your favorite fake rocks P-T-R-F-4-F-4-F-R-F-4. Instagram us. Tag us on Instagram with some of your favorite fake rocks. Let us know. Give us a perspective that might have made something else win. Email us if you're mad about these results at podcastradio.gmail.com.

But don't email us something bad for us. Just email us a note. And draw a picture of Jason and a gallon of ice cream yeah a gallon is not usually how they measure ice cream but a gallon no you get a gallon of ice cream can you yeah don't you i believe so i think that you can buy a gallon yeah i mean usually go next size up it's a gallon i guess I just don't think about it. I guess you're right. I guess it has to be that way.

Email us at podcastaride.com. Have you bought a gallon of ice cream? Email us and let us know. Yeah. Bet you can do it. Yeah. Interesting. Tell Mike where to do it. You survived the podcastaride fake rock final four.

That was harrowing. We sent it to the peak. We did it. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. I'm physically tired. That's why I need this. I'm having more wrap up.

I think let's strike as long as we can. All right. Bye. Forever Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson, Jason Sheridan, Scott Gairdner, Brett Boehm, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey. Engineered and mastered by Alex Arche. Thank you.