Podcast: The Ride - Fake Smell Final Four

Episode Date: April 3, 2020

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Forever Dog Smells. They're all around us, and they're often talked about and debated. Is the smell of freshly cut grass better than the smell of baked goods? Is the smell of a chocolate factory better than the smell of an open sewer? Eavesdrop on any water cooler in the country, and these are the words and sentences you'll hear. But we on Podcast The Ride decided to tackle a less talked about, yet equally important type of smell. The fake smell. The backbone of the olfactory experience in any theme park. The thing that can make you hungry, make you laugh, or simply make you want to hurl. Join us today as 16 of the top fake smells in theme park history are pitted against each

other for ultimate fake smell supremacy. Which fake smells will dissipate quickly and which fake smells will linger in our sinuses forever? It's the fake smell final four on podcast The Ride. Ooh, that smell. It goes a song that no one likes. But today we will determine which smell in theme park world makes people go ooh the most. And which make people go you the most.

I'm Scott Gairdner, joined for this very important event by mike carlson hello i am here and jason sheridan hi i'm here and just to clarify we're talking fake smells yes not actual yeah okay so this is this is the fake smell final four which we felt like was a worthy follow-up to last year's fake rock final four uh we love these things as long as they are fake because by saying fake which sounds like a dismissive word we are tributing the people who worked hard to create these but the the we're honoring the fabrication but there's certain smells in in theme park world uh that i don't think we would quantify as fake smells because they just are the real smell that exists in that setting they weren't crafted do we have some examples of this well like like certain food items like cooking a churro

is the churro smell itself it's not we if there's a fake churro smell which i do kind of think there are versions of it but they may be pumping in something to add to what's practically there yeah and it's it's unclear sometimes exactly what is fake and real i think a lot of times it's fake but yes if you were actually to go up to the churro or say the popcorn stand you go up and you can actually smell popcorn because you're right standing there and that's where the popcorn is that is not in this tournament not that is just food cooking that is the side effect true food yeah okay yeah don't think that counts i think maybe the big one that people are going to point out is not in this tournament is the smell of the

pirates of the caribbean water right because i believe that also to be a not a contrived smell but just an accidental smell that people are fond of oh yeah and i don't think it's calculated it's not i don't think yeah at all it's calculated uh haunted mansion also is a smell that we all have affection for but that's just whatever the building materials yeah combination of plastic plastics and age and they didn't human humanity and they don't have like a little canister that says old house on it that's blasting in the smell of old house i don't think so though you never know you there's a thing they don't they're not public with all this stuff either so we may be making a big mistake on one of these we may be missing out on something somebody's going to be very upset because they're not public with all this stuff either. So we may be making a big mistake on one of these.

We may be missing out on something. Somebody is going to be very upset because they're going to say, you know, that thing you thought is fake. It's real. And you're missing out on this thing that's actually fake. And you thought it was real. They fooled you. Yeah. Yes.

Which could I mean, these may be more than the previous might require a recount. Yeah. And like a like a sort of fact session. Like we need to like fact check these. Right. So that's really up to you, the listener, if you know more than we do. But I feel pretty confident about these 16

that we narrowed it to, that they are contrived smells, that they are created smells. I think there's one that may be snuck in and i think we can allow for a little bit of wiggle room on that one okay interesting i'm not sure i know offhand yeah yeah um is there anything else we want to say about the formulation of these before we we kind of unveil the the 16 um i think i just want to say in case like you're really you don't still don't know

what we're talking about like at disney if you walk down main street and you smell something oftentimes it's fake it's not a real food item it's a fake thing and then when you're on a ride there'll be a blast of something and it'll be a smell that's supposed to go with what you're seeing i just want to fill in in case you don't really don't know what we're talking about smell arise is that the trademark term there's smell technology yeah smell arise really so we smell it zers seems to be the mechanism that dispenses the smells in some settings i'm not sure every smell that is released is released by a smellitzer but certainly some of them are i have a picture of what universal might use that's true because some of these are universal yeah so it's not like disney has the market cornered on on fake smells so universal factors in and you know what actually

it has the official name supposedly of one of the things we're going to do which i'm realizing now oh really oh so feel free to correct and these you know this is all a loose process we tried to name these things but some of the names could be incorrect there could be better names that we determine as we go right um so before what i was just trying to sum up is that we've chosen what we believe are the top fake smells that you would run into on main street that you would run into on the top most well-known rides in the country. Often the most, I think we've also kind of quantified them as the most memorable, because I don't think you would call all these the best, the most pleasant,

because sometimes, often, there's unpleasant smells released. Some of these are remarkably unpleasant. A lot of them are. There might be some people who think every one of these is unpleasant. Interesting. if i get too much of a blast one i have a very sensitive sense of smell and it can really be irritating so people probably are going to wonder how are we judging these what are the criteria where which we're decide of which we're deciding what are we using in our thought process when we are deciding what is going to be in the fake smell final four and ultimately win the whole tournament yeah it's

obviously extremely official we have our list of right 12 aspirational smell qualities detail them all now and certainly not just make them up mine is all uh mathematics it's all moneyball that's smart that's smart molly bon moneyball moneyball holds up you see moneyball lately moneyball holds up yeah it was very good um i'm just the social network too remember that it's always like the social network every this is every bill simmons but everything on the bill simmons network is just every podcast is to remind you that money ball and the social network are good i i bet because i really like social network and i bet if i went back and re-watched those i bet a lot of that still holds up just because uh but i also really like david fincher as a filmmaker sure so these So. These are not insane opinions.

I'm confused by these podcasts that are like, such and such holds up. And it's like, that was two years ago. Like, Birdman holds, yeah, that was really recent. Like, are movies supposed to just expire? After five years. Like, five months. Yeah. A movie from a year ago is still good parasite held up i

watched it last night it held up yeah it held your first viewing i never saw before but it held up it did hold up from its oscar win yes it was still good after yeah yeah um good for parasites you weren't up frustrated with all the reading. No, I was all right with the reading. Yeah. It's fine. It held up. That was the winner of the Oscars, a lesser competition than the one that we're currently engaged in. Obviously, that's on the way down. These fake something Final Fours are on the way up.

Yeah. And this one has three hosts. So it's three times better. Oh, yeah. That's true. Zero times three is three. Three non-controversial hosts yeah controversy well we'll see though because also yeah if you go back into past tweets and we've like said that we didn't like smells that we champion now or vice versa oh yeah delete your tweets now boys look for your own name

and smell and make sure nothing contradicts what we're about to do yeah uh what are the criteria do you does anyone have any in mind my cry i mean look it's gonna have to factor into a lot of different things everything's gonna be you know you're gonna see the matchups you're gonna see what kind of a thing like what what these two are they you know a ride versus uh just standing on main street that's going to factor in uh and obviously you're going to have to adjust based on each lineup but in general i'm going to be judging on if i think that isn't an effectively used in the place it's at if it smells like the real thing or makes it improves on the real thing in any way and i will try to divorce myself from

just saying well this is on a ride i like i'm going to try to really just examine it as a piece yeah and then examine the other thing as a piece oh like the moment in and of itself yeah can't although it's hard to totally separate because it is if it's contributing to an experience that you're very fond of. Yes. It's going to be very hard. There's a couple I already know I'm looking at, and it's going to be very hard to just separate myself from this ride or experience. Yeah. Yeah.

I think I've been reading this book that Joe Rohde was posting about called Pl places places of the heart and it's how it's about how humans uh experience locations like especially built locations constructed places uh and how much are other senses besides like how much our senses come into play and i do think scent is a very it's a very powerful one so i think like the the impression it makes some of these i just plain like like some of them i will just go on gut like no that's great uh some of these i i do not care for yeah yeah but we tried to put ones we don't care for against each other here and there. So that's just

what you're judging it on. Maybe you almost go the most unpleasant in that regard. I think creativity has to be taken into account too. I agree with that.

You wouldn't like automatically think to create a smell and incorporate a smell of this. Yeah. You know, if it's just kind of like well we put the smell in

that should be there uh can you really reward that but sometimes maybe it's atmospheric and uh it's it you know it's it's crucial and tied into the place yeah i mean any rules we try to make now they could all go out the window when push comes to shove when we have matchups that we just don't know what to do with yeah and it's funny we that you know we do kind of money ball the first categories a little bit we try to make them either like fair fights or like thematically yeah similar but i you know i think that what i found with the fake rock final four last year is the first categories were a little easier than the second yeah the second where total mismatches i never thought about having to align these two right like i could i kind of have in my head all of the first round but the second we're just going to be going off

the dome it's going to be scary we're going to be uncharted waters i can i will already call some chaotic energy real chaos because it's radically we're gonna end up with so all over the map yeah by the second round i also will say if i'm if my memory serves me correct you're in for probably the least funny episode of podcast to write all year the most taking seriously episode where we're just sitting going i don't i don't know what to choose here so if you want jokes tune out if you want if you want a lot of hemming here. So if you want jokes, tune out. If you want a lot of hemming and hawing, if you want a lot of just sincere,

oh, God, I can't do that. I can't do it. There'll be pauses. We'll have to leave and go climb a mountain and think about the choice and maybe come back tomorrow. I don't know if it'll be seamless for you, you the listener but this might take us a week yeah i mean just listen to doughboys if you want the laughs because they're not happening sorry this isn't funny stop this just isn't funny it's not gonna it's gonna be so unfun it's gonna be a real bummer listen to off book listen to doughboys there's a lot of podcasts that have humor in it not this one and a lot of

podcasts that tell you that money ball holds up and a lot if you're looking for that we've said it once in this episode right not a bunch of times right uh we're here to do what we have to do which is be very nervous about choices with no no stakes whatsoever uh all right nevertheless i am nervous um so maybe we dive into the first round and then once you've heard our first 16 we can talk No stakes. Stakes whatsoever. All right. Nevertheless, I am nervous. So maybe we dive into the first round, and then once you've heard our first 16, we can talk a little about. We didn't list off all 16 at once last year, did we? No, I think we did. We went round by round.

I believe we did it one at a time, and then we talked about what didn't make it. Yeah. Now, if you go to Twitter, unless you're hearing this at midnight and we haven't gotten up to post it yet, at some point, you could look at the whole thing and follow along with this. But if you just want to hear, if you want to be surprised, then just be surprised with us. Yeah. Okay. Are we ready? Do we sort of like round robin unveiling them?

Yeah, that's good. You can go first,ott you're okay uh all right round one or not round one bracket one what do we call the individual bracket one say okay sure all right bracket one stage one bracket one oh no these are levels levels of brackets how are we gonna do this without somebody keeping us on track? I wish we had the sweet smells of his vapes. Oh, man. Joining us.

Oh, wait. The bracket keeper is here. It's a different character. The bracket keeper. Hey there. Hey. Where's boys? Move along.

Say a joke. No fucking way. That's not what this is for all right no bracket key left bracket keeper left get out of here um all right so uh bracket one um i almost feel i don't even know if i like the name why don't we just i have the official name of it oh then let's do it here what then you take it okay uh this is the scent officially named if this is a correct photo the evergreen forest from the et adventure ride in orlando only existing now oh i like that that's a much better name evergreen forest i was calling it damp forest yeah well i like damp forest but this is a little like a kind of a

a black it's called scent air which is where it comes from supposedly this is what somebody posted on a message board saying i believe this is what universal users supplier yeah yeah scent air wow evergreen forest i have a number on it too 956 then there's a code that says swc 1040 well we'll rank the individual evergreen forests well we should skew and at this point maybe we could call them and see if we could each get one of these i would love that and pump it in all right so so versus evergreen forest versus african grass from soarin over the world right yeah yeah uh uh yes from this is california version you're in africa and you're flying over uh the the elephants and the the animals kind of scurrying away from you yeah and of course the evergreen forest it's i guess it's in the ride too but it's primarily the the

line yeah i i yeah i think we would say all of the trees and where you meet a botanicus. Yeah. Um, now you don't want to skew anything, but it's hard. Evergreen forest is a strong, I think it's, there's a reason why it's for the first one that we named.

It's definitely one of the, like one of the ones you think of an evergreen favorite fan favorite versus a young upstart. A thrilling, thrilling match in this competition. Both grassy, both earthy. Both pleasant. That's what I felt like a good. One of the few pleasant brackets. I would call a lot of them pleasant. There's a nuance to the African grass smell, I feel like.

There's like subtlety to the smell. And I don't know if it's just my brain screwing with me when I see the visuals of the dirt and the grass, but it feels like I'm smelling both. It feels like in my head, again, this is a lot of, scent can, I'm sure is deceiving depending on what visual cues you're getting. But when I see that and I smell it, I do really think, oh, I'm smelling dirt and grass. It's like cut grass, right? Yes. You're smelling cut, like a lawnmower cut grass. Yeah, which it's, you know, and it's clever in that regard. I think, you know, you're going to see Soarin' on here a couple of times.

It's probably no surprise. Right. Or the ride that most prominently uses multiple fake smells. And I think this is one of the more unique smells that they use it's one that you you know if you're being kind of dour and grumpy you might say well they're just blasting in like air freshener and this is not really an air freshener it's it feels sophisticated when it comes to theme park smells yeah it feels like it's maybe the next level of them it's very creative and a fun point in the ride, I feel.

Yes. I'm going to jump in here, not with counterpoint, but kind of. I have a hand soap from Target that smells just like this, and it costs 99 cents. Oh. So I am knocking points for that. Okay. Honestly, I was impressed at how the hand soap captured this

smell and and in that your hands then smell like it do you have a name on that did you buy it for that reason smartly that's a smartly smartly that's one of their newer house brands what's the name of the brand smartly oh i thought i got confused it's kind of an up and up level they have all these fucking house brands now it's so hard do you know the specific smell that's what i meant to ask flavor what do you call it variety yeah literally the bottle says smells like a meadow oh oh yeah and it smells like dirt no it smells like like cut grass okay just the cut grass just the cut i see i see i'm gonna double check okay i would like you washing your hands with a dirt soap. There's like earthen kind of make sense.

That doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a lot of good things you could say about this. However, I feel this is, I think that African grass is kind of cursed. I think this is kind of, this is when the top seed and the lowest seed go up against seed appropriate, what with grass and forests. But what are you going to do?

This is a juggernaut. Yeah. This is... It's evergreen forest. I mean, it's got to be evergreen forest. Unfortunately, I wanted to say some nice things, but how do you possibly not pick i should probably yeah i it's just that it's such a the mood in there it's such a great line

it's one of the best lines cues of all time and botanic is being there et's teacher in case you're behind et's teacher appears every 10 minutes maybe and it's just a perfect presentation of a wise old uh proto-ezogen appearing which is also if you're you're behind what is that that is the name of et's alien that's the name of the alien race species that alien alien is et is uh the whole package is so fantastic and the smell is such a big part of it it's excellent place making it's really it's sort of perfect unfortunately yeah there's just you're not going to beat standing in that queue seeing botanicanicus, smelling the evergreen forest. It's going to be hard to top. I'm just going to say it's looking very good for the tournament is all I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to call it a foregone conclusion because I think there's some very strong competitors. We'll see. It also is one of those things that when you're older, when it's not, either when the ride was gone, when you haven't thought about theme parks in a little bit and you're starting to connect with people. I just remember a lot of conversations with people like, oh, you grew up around Universal or you went to Universal a lot.

Oh, E.T. Adventure, right? Oh, the smell. Remember the smell in the line? Yeah. It's just one of those slightly deeper cut details that people bring up and don't think that other people remember do you remember this yeah the smell oh my god the smell yeah it's just such a uh it's a it's a real franchise it's like a ucla duke you know it's it's a big one

yeah it's probably gonna be be around. Sorry. I got a little gassy. That was it? I thought you were getting choked up. Oh, no, no. It's probably going to go pretty far. It's probably going to be around. Yeah, you really sounded like you were announcing the death of a president on the news.

Services today. Be held. Like you just got handed the bulletin tragedy in dallas uh president johnson will uh the at center well let's uh let's keep moving along then anybody want to hey mr mr sweets yeah i got this one. Yeah, no problem. All right. We have the chocolate smell from Hershey's Chocolate World versus the waffles and vanilla smell outside of the ice cream shop on Main Street. It's probably any... I think they're called different things

in the various Magic Kingdoms, but I think wherever you are, wherever sweets are being sold in a Main Street, the smell being pumped outside of that place. Yeah, it's sort of, it ends up being, I think, a catch-all for trying to get you to buy sweets of any kind. It's a confectioner's kind of smell. The general, yes, confectioners smell and it's the strongest main street smell i believe my in my memory at least that you have when you walk by especially the confectionery area but they're pumping in other places in the park to make you want sweets yes yeah yeah this is the one that i said snuck in because i'm a little conflicted because it is an ice cream shop next to a confectionery where they make the actual product.

But this is so noticeable. And it's for sure Smellitzers are deployed. This is like where I'm thinking of. And you can see photos of the little kind of dotted circles. Yeah. The way they're being pumped out. And that's like an early one. That's like if you're a little kid, I'm sure you don't realize that.

No. Fake. You're possibly an adult and not realizing. Or if not totally fake, then exaggerated, you know, supported and puffed up. I mean, a lot of I grew up going to a lot of like old fashioned ice cream parlors that still did the soda fountain and the waffle press and everything. At the Jersey Shore, there was still a lot that you would sit down and you'd get it in the glass dish and all that sort of thing. And they definitely had a similar smell because they're like churning out

so many just all day long. Right, yes. Not always a contrived smell. Yes, because they're completely real a lot of the time yeah um and then versus i mean i i think there's multiple places where you're you're smelling fake chocolate and we even talked about the the toothsome uh emporium at universal studios is a place where you could smell real strong like piped in chocolate smell yeah but we went with hershey's chocolate world which is the the ride that's technically not in the theme park no it's next to the parking lot so for a long free

ride hershey's at one point in time did give tours of the actual factory and then as they expanded theme park they built a visitor center called Chocolate World that is different than Chocolate Land, the soon-to-open land at the entrance to the theme park. It's kind of a de-escalation in naming, but it looks like it's going to be very nice. But Chocolate World, I mean, it's free, for one thing. It's got restaurants, it's got lots of candy, different candy shops inside.

There's tastings and educational stuff, but there is a dark ride in it. Now, a lot of that dark ride is singing cows, but it used to be mostly simulations of the factory, including large vats of chocolate-looking

goo being stirred. When there was less cartoony stuff in there, the chocolate smell being piped in is almost the primary attraction. It's like a, just a realistic recreation of a factory. And just glued in my mind, like glued in my sense memory in terms of like stuff lodged in my memory of, of these,

this one might be the strongest. Hmm. Would you say, and i have not smelled this particular i've obviously smelled the toothsome chocolate i've not smelled the hershey chocolate would you say this is the same smell scott specifically as the m&m world store in las vegas uh huh now i now is there is there a fake smell in there? In the M&M store? Yeah. Yes.

Okay. Okay, so maybe it wasn't on when you were there. I don't know, or I just don't. I was just in such a fog trying to get to the movie. You would know. Because it's one of the worst smells. Oh, okay. I've ever smelled a fake smell.

This is very comforting. This is much more like your mom's bathing. Right. This smell in the M&em store in las vegas when we were there and did the video did the movie um was trying to imitate the smell of eminems it smelled like shit it smelled the whole three store four stories or whatever up and down every floor smelled like this fake M&M's smell, but like maybe mildew had gotten in the scent air or something. Like there was something stale about it. It was like stale M&M's that were cooking in the sun where it was wafting through all four levels, five, whatever it is of the M&M's store.

It feels like burnt. It feels like overcooked. That would even be too good, I think. Like wafting in the sun is more right to me because it like you could feel like it would mutate it more the smell okay so it's not all right that's a more that sounds terrible and a little preview i guess of your feelings about yeah the eminem vegas movie which i think jason i think hopefully i'm on my way soon yeah and that's that's i'll be staying in that neck of the woods.

And that is on the list. That's on the list of things to do. It's got to be. Yeah. There's no way it couldn't be. Going to Vegas when it's like the cold time of year or the very mild time of year. So it's like, yeah, what are the indoor activities to do? And that's a top.

Oh, yeah. You better get there. Probably ride the Death Trap monorail. I don't know if it's a Death Trap. Oh, no, the monorail's fine. Oh, is it? Okay. Yeah get there the death trap monorail i don't know it's a death trap oh no the monorail is fine oh is it okay the new monorail yeah is it new isn't there it's a newish one i don't know i've never had a problem with the monorail like 2006 i just don't think it goes a lot of places maybe i'm thinking of a different thing there's a whole like side essentially you can't really get to i think it's service is pretty particular it goes from like mgm to the link right like that's kind of yeah you can get down to uh well you know where it takes you is the hilton where the star

trek thing oh interesting that's one of the furthest outposts as a patreon we should all get into the link high roller um ferris wheel but with the open bar eye yeah the eye do you know about this that's that the uh well the other i guess i didn't know what it was called but you can pay for like uh an open bar for 45 minutes in the ferris wheel in the ferris wheel whoa so you get to just drink an open bar as you go all the way around well huh yeah so do you have a bartender yeah oh yeah whoa and it doesn't seem like it's not great it's obviously more it's expensive but it's not great it's like 30 a person or something wow which obviously are you going to just like be chugging just crank through but still you get like a probably a shot or two and if everyone had two or three drinks i mean that's a short

amount of time you go around the thing it's vegas which would stress me out but whatever stuff like places to go and everywhere is like specials or like well drinks 20 ounce pour and i'm like whoa i thought this was the fancy restaurant or like shitty slushies two for one and i'm like this is the nice restaurant well like that's the ticket to just be i think i would be upset. Like, yeah, I'm not doing it.

Well, we'll get back. We'll get back to your Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do a trip. So,

uh, yeah. Where do we, where do we land here? I have smelled better chocolate at theme parks though. So I won't lump M and M store in there. Yeah. I mean,

for me, look, this is no contest. The vanilla waffle smell is such a fantastic smell i associate it with main street so hard i like that chocolate stuff but vanilla and waffle smell is just the perfect smell is it me like i would miss it if it wasn't there main street is the most iconic part in any theme park especially Disneyland's it's gotta be for me the vanilla and waffles smell

sure Jason you know I'm biased on this one it's again so glued in my mind I have to give it to Chocolate World but this is a tough round I don't know that my choice will come out the victor

so like Scott I'm gonna let you break the tie yeah that's what i thought i figured it would line up so i figured it would last um i'm extremely fond of chocolate world and my uh trips there my trip there as a kid uh but for pure iconic reasons i think you have to go yeah yeah vanilla and waffles it's clever the way it's kind of hidden the way it's that it's lourinia it's like the kind of quiet creativity from the Imagineers

it feels like a Walt deployed thing whether or not it was it seems very possible it could have been I think you gotta go with that I'm not looking forward to deciding about this second round. I'll tell you that now. Evergreen Forest versus Waffles and Vanilla Main Street.

All right. Let's not think about that now. Two icons. Oh, my God. Okay, do you want to introduce the next one or am I up? I think you're up. Okay. Number three.

Break number three. Break number three. The Orange Grove from Horizons versus the Orange Grove from Soarin' over California. This is orange versus orange. We're pitting the oranges. This is the Clash of the Titans. Also, to correct ourselves from earlier, Soarin' Over California, Soarin' Around the World. Soarin' Around the World. What did I say? Across the world?

I think over. Over the world. Okay. No way. But this is Over California, Soarin' Over those beautiful California orange groves. Yes. That part, I think, is maybe Camarillo is what that's portraying, which I always find funny.

Because Camarillo is a place I spent all the time I had a good friend out there it was like an hour away from where I grew up so I ended up in Camarillo a lot and it's just you know I've had I had fun out there but a very sleepy place and a very agricultural place yes very suburban mm-hmm outlet malls

outlet malls very suburban and like like right next to each other yeah yeah and just really always funny to me when you're in the soren over california line as they bring back every once in a while yes and see palm springs camarillo is so why not just like recita yeah uh the golf course yeah I really I mean maybe it's just the way I go to Palm Springs but I really don't associate it with a golf course

I think plenty of people would a lot of people would there are tournaments down there and so many of the housing developments are along oh the housing golf courses oh and back in the Bob Hope days sure we could do a Patreon on all of our personal favorite Soarin' Over California routes of

our landmarks in California where we would want to soar over. Oh, wow. Oh, like build a Soarin'. Yeah, we each build our own Soarin' Over California specifically. That's pretty nice. Mine would go to Reseda because of the American Legion that's gone now. That's where PWG was. You get to see the vents.

Yeah, you guys have been there. To see where all the sweat is released. Oh, yeah. It's been destroyed, though. Oh, that building is down. Yeah, it was bought by somebody. Oh, wow. We're talking about an indie wrestling venue, essentially.

That was a hot box. In your version version would it release the smell of 200 sweaty men of big bearded guys in a small room of wine that's turned yeah yes honestly that is the good that would be the smell beer that's over all the alcohol has turned somehow sore over an american legion hall and you would smell just uh you just smell like you wanted to die yeah build a soren is a good idea and you have are there only three smells in total like if we if we had to build it would we have to like keep ourselves to three smell like not every scene could have smells yeah that's yeah we should we should put the limits of soren uh

that exist on our own version same amount of scenes yeah yeah that's that's nice that's yeah we should we should put the limits of soren uh that exist on our own version same amount of scenes yeah yeah that's that's nice that's a good idea um so yeah we got the smell of camarillo famous camarillo is that where the balloons there too is that the balloon scene i think so i think that is somewhere else well there's also balloons in soren uh over the world oh but i think isn't this where or is that like a winery kind of area i don't remember yeah i think that's more norcal i don't recall uh um anyway uh versus horizons yeah um this is pretty historic stuff. Yeah. Was there a ride smell before the Orange Grove and Horizons? That's a good question. Yeah.

Because I was looking at that. What was the first ride smell? And I'm not sure. It might be the oldest one on this list. I think that's correct. I think it is. And it's hard to say when they started pumping in vanilla and waffles. But if you're talking on rides.

Sorry. Yeah, that one is. That's an opening day attraction? That's an opening day one. Horizon's not opening day. Right. So that might be it. The last round.

Yeah. I'm really distracted by whatever this shush was about. Well, it was this. Oh, it was. It was this. We didn't want to say what it was. Oh, I said another C. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, I thought i was being no no no no no uh jason was gonna come in here jason i gotta spring um the 16 more on you smell of casamigos tequila come on out randy quality

randy's been in my bathroom for 45 minutes um so i oh i see what you're saying there's maybe an older one left but so uh uh all right um what's the what's the context of this in in the ride i went on horizons but i don't have it super memorized this is like one of the future paths like the like or the the world of the future that you could be in uh involved this is where the giant machines are harvesting yeah oranges correct yeah okay my memory was as hazy obviously only from video now do i fully remember or do i think i remember going on the ride because it's been so long it definitely did i may i may have even I think I for sure did.

Yeah, I think this is where my memory is starting to fail me because I kind of had to go like, oh, yeah. Yeah, there was oranges on there. So there are people for whom if you did get to go on this ride a lot, then the oranges, I think,

are a huge deal. I think they're one of the biggest things you liked about this ride. No, this is a very important attraction. And yeah, that was a very, very memorable thing. How do you explain, for any listeners who don't know, because there's listeners who have Horizons memorized and don't take time to explain Horizons,

but there might be people who do. How do you explain Horizons in a sentence? I got it. The thing I've always heard that I think really sums it up best is it's sort of like the next extension of Carousel of Progress and the original Epcot project of like, this is what mankind can reach. This is the future. This is a ride of like... It's a ride about future possibilities.

Future possibilities of like if if technology were to keep going in a similar direction this is where we could be and not dissimilar from spaceship earth because it's kind of an ever-moving uh like like constant ride vehicles yes yeah it was an omni mover right i mean it's definitely in the same tradition as the carousel of progress in a way too where it's like this is the other part of it it's like this is where we came from this is where we're going yeah you sort of can think of it in that way i feel like too yeah didn't i say carousel did you say that yeah all right well i'm losing my mind um but yes that's the thing i've seen pointed at most, that might also have been part of its undoing.

I was like, carousel progress, boring. We already have it. We don't need... Let's make people sick going to space here instead. That's got to be one of the worst... I think that's a competition we could have is like worst trades. Yeah. Like from quality of attraction to quality of attraction.

On paper, I get it. Simulate space flight. Yeah. At world using real technology real technology yeah i even liked it a couple times when i wrote it as i've gotten older uh my brain does not care for it yeah my whole family got off it last time we wrote and we all needed to take a second was horizons in such bad shape that they had to get rid of it like is that in hindsight a big mistake is it a maintenance issue yeah like was it like really like did it look like shit like what was the deal i it might have just been a combination of guest satisfaction and how many people were going on it yeah maintenance i think for i think there's a swath of people that is us, and I include myself in this, that just has nothing but warm glow about that ride and rides like it.

Yeah. I think there's probably a lot of regular folks who don't go to Disney World all the time who would go on some of those Epcot rides and go, boring, didn't like it. But like a journey, like energy though, totally understand. Yeah. This one though though you watch and you go well wait a minute did this need to go there's robots there's cool scenes couldn't this have been updated or something i don't know that's another episode in a way that's another yeah we'll do horizons honestly i think if they left horizons and just re like plussed it up a

little they would not be having to spend so much money to make a new epcot which is just the spirit of old epcot like yeah like the whole premise of this epcot redo is just like hey epcot will be like it used to be like epcot will be good we fucked up sorry yeah yeah but it wasn't one of those that just like you know where there's nothing redeemable and it has to go like living with the land. It's not one of those where, you know, it's just not. There's nothing there. It is odd though, living with the land. Scott Fracken.

Living. Scott Fracken Gerder. Living with the land, I guess. He loves to get rid of that land. He just loves it. I am an enemy of. Enemy of Mother land. He just loves it. I am an enemy of... Enemy of Mother Earth. Tear it up.

We're alive now. Time to drill. Yeah. That's very funny. I guess because... Clearly. Because of the lab. Because of the lab.

Because of the labs, they couldn't get rid of living with the land. But it does feel like that would have been a quicker thing to go than Horizons with robots. Anyway, again, another episode. Yeah. um okay we got to decide between these i sense that these orange smells were probably the same i think it's possible there's no way to know same so that leaves us to because we'd have to admittedly not just judge specific right the smell itself because we don't have them in front of us um so we have to we do have to think about context here does do contexts do you guys know already because i'm not totally sure i do i'm not sure i do i mean part of it is i am biased of like it's not coming to me as well

from horizons when i think about these experiences but that's yeah but that's also just like well how old was the oldest i was when i rode horizon maybe 14 maybe 13 so i it's just not sticking around with me but soren i mean i guess you see orange grows in both but maybe the fact that it's footage versus you know uh illustration or mock-ups is it a mural back there potentially yeah um yeah i don't want the age bias to factor i know because i know this if like if we were there in the heyday of horizons more often i think we'd be like it's horizons all the way. I definitely did. And when it comes back, I do the Soarin' Over California Still. And just, it is an, it's a, you get a good waft.

It just hits you all of a sudden. The wave that hits you is very exciting. And I associate it with like, there's probably a little move that comes with it. And a little bit of wind hits you. I think it's an especially exciting moment of of that ride um yeah and i and i associate that the the you know that ride was the one thing in original california adventure that worked and this is one of the most the aspects of it that worked the best um so to me i i when i think of dca surviving I think of this orange smell as a big factor. Yeah.

I have to say you've swayed me. I was in the fence a little bit, but that's right. You have to give it. Because it's really, it's the iconic smell. Can smells be iconic? The iconic smell of the ride. It's the signature smell. I think it's what everybody, like my mom would have, you know, she'd go, oh, the orange smell.

I love when the orange smell happens. I think a combination of the music cue there, the orange smell, and the sound cue of the sprinklers. The sprinklers are going off. Oh, yeah. That always sticks with me, too. It's such a refreshing. How relaxed do you feel? It's refreshing, yeah.

I always say this is the most adult ride it's like a wine tour of a ride yes but tricks you like tricks this i think i get more almost district the imagineers talked about in the the imagining story about like yeah when when we first like tested it and you went over the water scenes people do lift their feet up instinctively. Oh, yeah. Right, yeah. It's so nice. And I also don't know that it paved the way

for some of the other entries on this list. There probably aren't as many. They probably don't go crazy with the smells as much as they did in the world one without this orange one working so well. Jason, are you ruling? I'm going to go for Soarin'. I'm going to go for Soarin'. I'm going to go for Soarin' too.

I think that's unanimous. This is a tough one. This is no diss of Horizons. I think people might be a little mad about this one. But I don't think it's only bias. I think it's such a strong moment in Southern California and in theme park history as well. Do not drag my ass.

Mike, do you want to take the next one? Oh, God. Oh, yeah, you don't have to. It is Skunk Smell from Journey Into... I didn't write it down. It's Journey Into Imagination with Figment or Journey Into Your Imagination. Yeah, they renamed these.

The bad one. It's the Figment ride, the bad one. And then Chili Dog from Stitch's Great Escape. This is the full unpleasant bracket. This is unpleasant versus unpleasant. Yes. And it's just a matter of which one works the best. Which unpleasant thing works the best?

What a terrible category. It's a really yeah i'm not looking for a refreshing one where both entries were great skunk that the part where you get hit with skunk you're already at to the point in the ride where you are just so cranky about that ride in the way it is now because the ride used to be great and now it's weird now there's a toilet on the ceiling uh that doesn't make any sense what does that have to do with an imagination as tony baxter said on podcast the ride uh famously famously we all know as you famously said the last time he famously said he famously said it uh and then you get hit with that skunk and it's

just like it's just like one insult after another yeah and then you get hit yeah and then you smell that and it's not full-on skunk but it's close enough to just make you mad. That new way that Figment is. Yeah. That's what I'm going to do. Yeah, true. And it's finger. That's like a more grating Olaf.

Okay, in defense of this, I have heard people say, oh, my family would always like, we would do that all together. Everyone could get on it. No one was too short or anything. That was a thing. And Figment is there. A lot of people have affection for Figment. He's wearing a jacket now.

He's wearing a jacket. Well, he always had a sweater sometimes. But he has like a track jacket. He's got a bunch of outfits. Yeah. Urban outfitters. And people have affection for Stitch. But I can't say I've ever heard anyone go like, oh, I love Stitch's Great Escape.

Like even the first once or twice I rode that ride and I was like, there's little elements of Alien Encounter. I want this to be good. I don't think I got to give this one to the skunk because at least my friend Figment is there. Well, let me before we make the before we lock anything in. I have to admit, I never did Stitch's Great Escape, so I never experienced this chili dog. I have experienced the skunk and I find it to be terribly unpleasant. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Jason.

But and it's hard for me to vote for chili dog but this i'm here's what i'm thinking is maybe creativity it is uh like thinking of releasing a skunk smell sort of makes sense i feel like that's something that might happen in like a kid book where you smell like you scratch and like oh skunk you yes chili dog is pretty original yeah it's original to a horrible extent can we explain the context is this is uh this lesser version of alien encounter where a lot of sound effects and like you know things are being dripped on you and it makes you think a scary alien is right in your face right and they redid it in this horrible way where stitch is released into the room and he's drooling on you and slobbering on you and just you know

being a menace and do you remember the actual moment when this happens i don't remember the moment i think it's at the very end isn't it i think so i don't know somebody's gonna be mad at us again but uh it's something around then i just know that he's like slobbering and then you smell his food okay essentially uh do you remember i think it's also the let's take some we haven't talked about this audience reaction do you have any strong memory of what made people like yell more that's the sign with an unpleasant it's a good thing a good question i mean um yeah that's a good question i did this once and i don't remember much of it i vaguely remember this but i don't remember audience reaction i remember my reaction to skunk that's really the only reaction of the two

and i'm always displeased with skunk yeah i think maybe we shouldn't spend too much more time on this because there's no way it makes it past the next round yes it's going to go away go with our i just go with chili dog because it's less offensive to me oh oh i that's why i thought you were heading to skunk now i feel like i gotta decide you are gonna have to decide again because i'm going chili duck because i skunk i'm just i'm just upset i understand figman is there but he's like different I like his little track jacket but I just by the end it's just so I just I'm so displeased and I can't unfortunately I guess I was saying I don't want to bring in some sort of personal bias and nostalgia but unfortunately I am I can't separate it this in this instance it uh so the chili dog happens like in the middle of the

ride he eats a chili dog and burps stitch devours a chili cheese dog and burps accompanied by a foul smell effect being released into the chamber and destroys a cell phone and i understand it's not fair because alien encounter was a better ride too but as we know from this podcast i was too scared to go on that yeah so my affection for it is lower unfortunately again i can't i can't pull personal bias out of this. It almost feels like less of sacrilege. That's what I'm getting at. Only a little, but like-

Only a little. To take this like really sweet, charming dark ride and put skunk smell all over it. You know what? I have that creativity point. I'm breaking the tie, chili dog. Wow. Yeah. Now, get ready to fucking eat shit chili dog next time

around but you're done i will the let it pass i can't believe the word we created a scenario where we had to vote for the stitch chili dog over anything else i i would like to say i think we didn't explain the rules that we would have to, if we didn't unanimously vote, we'd have to obviously have a tiebreaker. But I will say, Jason, if you feel very strongly, I would like to give, or any of us, give us the opportunity to stand and filibuster a bit to try to change the other people's opinions. Oh, no. No, I think we should keep moving. I appreciate it. All right, great.

Yeah, we're never going to be done. I appreciate it. This one is maybe the most pleasant yeah good perfect one of the more pleasant ones um you wanna do it yeah you yeah uh this is i don't quite we we're calling it the pandoran forest smell from flight of passage also it's also the tropical island smell from soaring around the world we made the decision we're gonna call that the same thing i do think it's the same thing and there's a fragrance or a candle that's that somebody's making that they do lump them together yeah uh and then the taj

mahal floral smell from soaring around the world yeah we're debating is it more rose is it more jasmine i i feel like things are calling it rose but it's hard to say yeah it's also it's it's a pretty unique one uh uh that's that's a really nice moment in in the new soren yes um that music is great it's uh it's like sitar e yeah yeah it's really that point soren coming out strong in this tournament yeah i think it was a guarantee there's so much so many great smells in it um pandoran forest though uh and if we are calling this is it unfairly making it like a titan because i also let's take let's let's talk about the tropical moment in soren which is uh lovely yes that's fantastic uh you're in fiji i believe oh it's great it could be my favorite smell in

Soarin 2 I think you could argue that that is the best smell in Soarin 2 which you've already decided then that's almost me deciding and then you toss in that it's if it is the same thing in Flight of Passage now does anyone want to argue

whether are there different smells in Flight of Passage because anyone want to argue whether are there different smells in flight of passage because isn't the cave something different yeah sure uh the the avatar right flight of passage is so good i don't even register that they're fake smells like i don't even register this one because this is one of my favorite fake smells period yeah like if a hotel has this kind of smell in the lot like or a store like immediately endears it to me i'm saying there could just be like a couple other fake smells that got shot in there that i wouldn't notice because i'm like oh well i'm in a cave on the back of the mighty akron yeah like i'm not actually feeling the

beast breathe between your legs yeah i'm just saying that i yeah i don't know how many smells are on there do we just know that we don't always have to take it along no i think we know what it is all right pandora forest it has to be on yeah the other one is really good i know it's very unique too which really should get it points but unfortunately it has it's tied to two really great things some of these initial brackets are pretty unfair and i think with a different uh there's a version of this that's where all the last four are soaring i think but uh that's that's not where we're at um we are now at number six and that is ginger in monsters inc mike and sully to the. One of the longest ride names in the world.

There is a ginger smell when you go into the sushi restaurant in that ride. Ginger versus ginger bread in Haunted Mansion Holiday. Mainly at Disneyland, also Tokyo Disneyland. There is a ginger bread house every year that changes. I learned from some holiday special that they do a very different house every year in the ballroom scene on the table. And that is a real gingerbread house, which I didn't realize till watching this special. It seems possible that that is a you know a contrived plastic thing but it is in fact edible right and they do a very good

job with it ginger versus gingerbread yeah thoughts well the ginger uh i monsters inc is a weird ride because it's pretty good it's obviously reskinned superstar limo yeah but it is pretty good and it's a fun thing i don't go on it a lot yeah yeah it's like the placement of it is weird if it's anything over like five minutes i go i'm not waiting for this yeah it's sort of not fair to it because there's like this scene is really nice the ginger whether they go into the uh sushi place it's a very fun scene this sort of madcap yeah she's hiding under the takeout boxes yeah because like if i don't know what it is when i'm in that corner of california adventure when it's like oh

you want to go to monsters i'm gonna go if i think about i think it has to do with that area it has to do with that queue so industrial i think it's a similar thing to what we were saying on the living with the land episode where i think that the area around it influences it unfairly it's a great option if you get to the the paradox of crowds at california adventure because sometimes you can be in the middle of california adventure and it's a busy day and everything is a burden all the food is long all the rides are long and there's like two or three things you can do there this happened to me during spring break this was like well i need i'm i came all the way down here i'm getting on a ride and i got on this ride yeah right i do think i mean it's like kind of got

flats outside but when i'm thinking about this scene it's really good it's a really as we just said it's really fun and then they decided to go with ginger over the fake fish smell they could have used it's probably for the best probably for the best yeah sushi restaurants don't really like smell super like fish i don't think right depending yeah i guess if it's so stacked with like fresh fish if you're doing the whole like table thing where the sushi sushi uh chef is making it for you while you sit at the bar. I'll say this, though. You notice the smell. I don't think I could have called it out as ginger specifically.

I agree with that. I think when I read, oh, yeah, when I was reading up on smells, and it was like, oh, ginger in that area. Oh, that is ginger. That's really smart. That's really original. I think that's a nice feeling, but I think it's a feeling that doesn't take you all the way to the end in this tournament i agree with this i think

this in another category is a bit of a sleeper because i truly really think this is a nice subtle thing because i think you have to award subtlety in certain ways for just slightly adding to it but not calling so much attention to it which i think is uh is tasteful it's a tasteful little addition to this already fun scene yeah gingerbread the gingerbread house can be overwhelming if you hit it at the right thing points doc to for the presence of actual gingerbread why do you say that well because it's the item it's the actual item i don't think that's the smell is not coming from that though i it's it's added yeah it's added in but so you i'm a little this is an interesting thing with you we have

only a scratch of service on this you don't like it if the actual item is anywhere present i like it but in the context of this tournament all right i'm just saying but you've been trying makers there's some very nice scent makers who had to work very hard right i know that but i'm saying and i think we'll talk about it once we're done with this first bracket is that you don't if something's around you don't think it's as impressive if it's possibly partly real i'm just verbalizing my thought process on how you pick a victor it's still a it's the smell you're smelling is entirely a contrived smell. Yeah. I do not think you are smelling that house.

Yes. I think for sure. You're going to be right next. I think maybe you view it how you want to view it. I think you have to be right next to a gingerbread house to smell the gingerbread. I mean, they make some pretty big ones at the hotels and those smell, but you can't smell it from across the lobby

i don't think i don't think so did you ever do you disagree if you're you walk into grand california can you smell the gingerbread house i feel like well could they be fake smelling you in the grand california they might be me yeah maybe they're working you with the smell definitely pump in sense the most egregious being the universal charlatan universal city sure has one of the most aggressive like like the universal hilton has like no scent and the universal charlatan has a very potent fragrance i didn't notice that when i was drinking alone there several weeks ago but But if you go, if you walk in looking for it, you'll find it. It dissipates when you get towards the rooms.

But it's a little much. It's smelling a telly. That's telly, baby. That's the smell of him. It's been 25 years. The smell remains. That's the smell of robe and bald head oil

bald head oil keep it nice and oily baby who loves you scent air i don't know mike you may have unintentionally swayed my vote though with the subtlety note sure whatever you're allowed to vote however you want to toss mine to ginger okay mine to Ginger. Okay. Monster Zinc. Monster Zinc takes it. I think I'll be in the minority, but. The reason I made that point is because this is my, probably my favorite part of Haunted Mansion Holiday. When you go into this room. Yeah. When you go into this room and you smell the gingerbread and you see the house.

It's new every year. It's not the craziest impressive thing. I find it very charming. I love the smell of gingerbread in any other category ginger maybe gets a little sleeper room but not here because i gotta go gingerbread i love this scene in haunted mansion holiday gingerbread for me as well yeah and you know what i think this ride needs the support because lately a lot of hating on haunted mansion holiday and i don't understand it i like i could see the point of starting it later but i think that has morphed into this monster of it's bad and they shouldn't do it fuck that i really like haunted mansion holiday yeah we

can talk timeline but uh it's great that's insane to say you don't want it to be done at all and you can i've said this before of course i would yes if we could do it like for a two months great the problem like the thing is you can't argue with the crowds the thing is double the line of normal haunted mansion for the five months that it exists yeah it's obviously more popular than the regular one so well that's a weird i mean well i guess so if it's like four or five months though you're about almost getting the same if you consider like downtime yeah it's probably pretty close maybe you get an extra month of regular honda mansion i'm just picturing now standing outside and hearing that music that that music that plays

outside i love it so much that little i yeah that little loop that twinkly uh you know scary demented kind of i think actually even more so than just the haunted mansion or the excuse me the nightmare before christmas theming i think it might be an excuse or a reason or a justification for going into the haunted mansion and really plussing it up because it's it's fresh it does feel fresher yeah because it's newer stuff part of it yeah and i do think that might be part of it and i know i've said this many times but that midsummer nights whatever midsummer scream panel where tony baxter was advocating go in there and really like read like do it up that's kind of the feeling you end up like i'm looking at something from 2019 yeah 2020 why did i say 2019 that's the last time i was there probably

people are gonna think we recorded this in 2019 though we're really backloading uh uh yeah you know you're seeing like more modern stuff in there and i don't know well be careful with that though because some of the 2000s added in stuff is not aging well like the pride that's the test not in well but i feel like we are in more of a uh a time where the projection has gotten a lot better and the people are favoring practical effects do you like hatbox ghost still i love hatbox well there you go that's what that's i think a good way to judge it yeah he's lasted five years and there's no sign of him looking like dated 2010s oh for sure yeah but we'll get to his room probably what in 2022 on our yes sir

annual haunted halloween you think that's a little too early yeah jason might be right well i liked that yeah um yeah let's get to uh let's let's get to seven this is we're almost it's almost been an hour we haven't said all of them uh i think i think mike you're up uh you're up next is that me i believe so uh okay uh we are going to be doing uh one very iconic one and one less like one one equal iconic uh okay we're going to do banana breath from both kongs and then a which we determined before uh we started uh fart gun banana smell from uh despicable me minion mayhem yes universal so let's explain this and well and i'll say. We're going to post along with this concurrently over on the second gate behind the paywall. Patreon.com slash podcast the ride.

We were discussing some of these issues of what was going to be in the final 16. And we broke off a little fragment and recorded it because there was an issue I really wanted discussed on Mike. And I'm glad we did it. Yeah. And the issue is that we originally had a category that was fart versus fart and i don't want to repeat things that we said over there please listen to our important fart versus fart conversation that's a little bonus for the patreon subscribers but what that was was fart in shrek 4d and fart in despicable me minion mayhem and then I started thinking, wait a minute.

I'm not confident that there was a fart smell in Shrek 4D. No. We just talked about farts so much with Griffin Newman. It felt very possible that there could have been. And I didn't blink when that was put on the list. Like, oh, of course. And fart versus fart. We gotta do that.

Then I was like, but is there a fart? I'm not totally sure. And then in this case, fart in Despicable Me, I was like, let me remind myself what that part is. And it's in the line. It's in the pre-show. And Gru is threatening to blast you, his guests, with a fart gun. Yeah. But then once blasted, I noticed the audience did not scream and recoil. And that is because the minions

got in there and they re rewired everything and it's instead of banana smell and so yeah gives an excuse for the minions to yell banana a whole bunch one of their favorite things several excuses to do this so the fart gun in despicable me minion mayhem is technically a banana smell and we thought well then doesn't it have to go up against the banana breath? Right. We've had orange versus orange and now banana versus banana. Right. And as with the oranges, probably the same smell.

I think so. Probably the same. Actual, the same chemical makeup of these smells. But one was a trailblazer, you know? I mean, this, I think. The banana breath. I don't think we got to labor around i like minion mayhem i think it's fun and i think it's good if i was a kid i love it

i would love it absolutely but we don't need to labor over this is what have convoluted what do you mean it's a fart gun and then it's banana yeah so confusing the clear less confusing thing is your tram is getting attacked by king kong who ate approximately 2 000 bananas enough to make his whole breath smell like bananas and you have to also credit it because it may be an argument against whatever it goes up against the fact that it's like referred to and that i can attest as a tour guide that it gets a laugh when you refer to it because people might kind of notice it but then saying like and hey get a load of that banana breath and you watch everybody go oh that's right it just gives people so much joy that that is there um so yeah it has to be fuck you fart gun Get out of here. And for confusing us, for making us have a sidebar conversation that's very essential

that you can listen to at patreon.com slash podcast ride. Get out of here. You're out. Banana breath it is. Has to be. And Jason, does that make you read the final? Yeah, the final round. This is the toughest one for me, I will say.

This is the toughest one for me, I will say. This is strange. You're going to see here that we sort of, we tried to make these understandable pairings, and then we kind of ran out of ways to justify. Again, they all couldn't be perfect, and they all couldn't be 100% pleasant, and I think it's good there's some oddballs. I agree. And this might be the oddest one of all.

Rome burning from Spaceship Earth versus Maggie's mouth from the simpsons ride maggie's mouth it smells like baby powder baby which is odd because mouths that's not where baby powder goes that's not what mouth smell like not really no and even though her mouth and her big what's the uh the thing that dangles in your mouth? Pacify. Oh, no. Uvula. The body part. The uvula. It looks big and plastic.

You punch a plastic one on the way into the ride on Krusty. Yes. But it's not plastic. It's, yeah, that's human. It's the human body. Yeah. I guess it, I don't know. Maybe something would smell kind of.

She's probably like sucking a lot. She's the pacifier. Right. She's the pacifier. Right, she's the pacifier. Toys and such, but. Yeah. And it's, that's fun. This is a late, this is a last minute addition, I think, to our list, because that is fun. That's a lot of fun.

It is fun. And you could say, okay, we could, we could, there's a little bit of a leap in logic of like, well, she's a baby. She smells like baby powder a little bit. She just was freshly powdered before she grows giant at the end of the Simpson ride. Yeah. Thus, each powder molecule also grew.

Exactly. Like, those are all the sizes of boulders. Right. Because that actually makes a lot of sense. Because the whole town then would eventually smell like it. All those molecules. Burped correctly. Yeah.

They would all tumble down the springfield hill crush everyone down below yes um and then you get to rome burning which i would say rome burning is in the same category of smells as ginger is it's a little stronger than ginger for sure it's been against each other but ginger gingerbread was it's too too good the name it's the same yeah it's the same letters in the same order uh so yeah and this one's yeah again a stronger smell but another sort of subtle smell that's just supposed to like ease you into the era and what's happening and rome is burning and you're smelling like i don't know how would you describe it it's like burning wood parchment kind of crack it feels really like books isn't that what it actually is portraying is like information is

the library of alexandria yeah yeah it's going knowledge is being destroyed luckily the scribes there were scribes who right kept the records there was an arabic scholars yes sacred uh jedi Jewish and Arabic scholars. Yes. Sacred Jedi texts. Sacred Jedi texts. It's like a really wonderful atmosphere. It is in this ride. It leaps out at you. And it's going to be great when a little Olaf is there too. They redo this ride.

I'm going to know. I'm writing the words down too with the scribes. My arms are burning. lured rick moran it's out of retirement um i yeah uh i mean it's such a neat it's a neat moment when you you know i'm trying to think of candidates for this when you google favorite i'm trying to think of candidates for this when you google favorite disney smells this is always on there yeah people love it and it does maybe feel more to me like in a like a strong like a thing you leave the ride talking

about maybe then maggie which is a more subtle detail like the ginger maybe those should have been paired i mean i'm thinking that now yes that would have been a good which ones ginger paired with this one because they're both maggie's mouth subtle they're more subtle smells that like really make it like fill out the mood and the vibe as opposed to being like oh wow you get a blast of some sort of smell that that sort of takes over um so yeah we could have done that look is this gonna be perfect no look it's not gonna be perfect it's not how the game played out this year yeah maybe next year i feel like this one's unanimous probably probably room burning we're locking it in room burning ah not michael what what maggie's mouth whoa would you like to try to convince anybody

over to your side i think that i can't divorce myself from that moment when maggie uses your vehicle like a pacifier it's so fun to me if you don't know what i'm talking about she puts the vehicle in her mouth she sucks on the vehicle like a pacifier and it's a big blast of uh baby powder and i don't know that just sticks out to me as one of and that right has a lot of crap going on some might argue too much crap but that's maybe my favorite part of that ride and it's such a big part of it is you're i'm waiting for that smell and yeah i have to go with it unfortunately over roam burning which i like as well i don't think anything i don't think i

appreciate the passion yeah passion defense and there's no i don't think anything I don't think I appreciate the passion yeah defense and there's no I don't think there's anything you can pull away from Rome burning which is I don't think there's any counter argument um no I mean look I the problem is I can't I could never speak bad of spaceship Earth's Rome

burning scene I would never I all it says yes it's a subtle thing and it's like the vibe of going up that slow in the best way boring ride uh i can't i can't even think of a thing to say bad about it yeah yeah it's just a personal choice well we now have my choice and i'm so the next round will be evergreen forest from et adventure versus vanilla and waffles on main street uh the orange grove and soren versus the chili dog and stitches great escape pandoran forest versus gingerbread from haunted mansion holiday and king kong's banana breath versus rome burning from spaceship

earth some tough choices coming out fellas it's gonna be tough let's let's step away from it maybe not for for too long yeah going a while but do you want to talk about what didn't make the cuts or what barely got pulled out there were a couple things i mean we also talked about like i love the smell of we talked about hotel lobbies the polynesian lobby oh of course it's so fantastic smell but we really tried to say like it we wanted the smell the fake smell to be something very specific versus maybe just a general pleasant scent yeah hotel lobby fragrances i feel like are their own category i think so yeah but no knock on that right and i'd almost rather that nothing wrong with that stitch but we are where we are um i threw out the idea of fried chicken which you can smell at various

places in in disneyland also was there a fried chicken smell at doc brown's outside possibly i believe so i so that's the vague you convinced me on the gingerbread i think the fried chicken that you can smell on main street i think they are ventilating the kitchen. Like, I think they are directing. I think you are being naive. I think you're being naive. Then call me naive, if you will. I think they're frying chicken there like a million hours a day.

It's got to go somewhere. The argument that we had is that we smelled fried chicken over by Tomorrowland the kit it butts up the kitchen it doesn't we looked up we looked i looked at an overhead view of the kitchen and there's like a couple buildings apart it wasn't butting up to like pizza plant or pizza port or whatever the hell it's called now i think it was like it was like there were two buildings across once you smelled this or can you always smell this? I've never noticed this before. I smelled it once. Maybe.

I feel like I've smelled it since. Mm-hmm. So, I don't know. It's possible. I don't know for sure. Let us know. Let us know if you have the answer. I will say when you brought up, I was like, oh, I guess you can smell fried chicken on

Main Street. To me, it wasn't nearly the same as the candy the ice cream yeah for sure i i it was more of oh i guess if i think about it it didn't seem like so yeah uh iconic lindsey is now confirming the smell but it was the argument we were having is just is it real or fake and my argument that it was fake because there weren't yes lindsey is saying we were by the tomorrow and we were by like star traders but there's no chicken they aren't selling any chicken around there why are we smelling chicken that's my argument that's why you want it elsewhere yes yes it's just using just good smells will make you hungry just smells in general just yeah smells like that will make you hungry in general but there's a place that does barbecue

on saturdays in burbank like in the parking lot of a grocery store they have a big smoker and you can smell that a block away that's true yeah but that's i think it's positive it could be a waft i don't think jason's insane here i don't know. We looked at the... I looked at an overhead map of where it would have to have been coming from. I think that's a city block. I don't think that's more than a city block. I think that's equidistant. Yeah. But that's outside.

They were doing it in a parking lot or they were doing it... Yeah. See, the parking lot's open air. That's true. It's like... But again, if you have industrial fryers cooking chicken for 12 hours plus a day i think though the fact that i don't always smell it is a is a argument in my favor not enough people ordering i think it's an argument not in the favor of being on the list because if this is a thing

that only you sometimes know and it wasn't familiar to me well that's fair or jason jason does that sound familiar to you well i've smelled it around there but I've eaten that fried chicken a lot so I don't know. Maybe I've been fooled. That's fine. It's always on your brain for you. Well, we're not talking about you. We're not arguing

the smell. We're arguing if the smell is real or fake. Here we go. That's what we're arguing about. I just don't think it's a top 16 contender is what I... I agree with that. Not this year. Fill Our Magic got dissed. There's pie and there's champagne. I know.

And we just didn't... We were hemming and hawing on those. I don't think we got the full extent of the attraction here in California. Yeah, that might be California advice. I caught the pie a little. Florida erasure. I can't catch the champagne. We also dissed Stinkbug in It's Tough to Be a Bug.

Right. Could have gone alongside. Maybe could have beaten Stitch or the skunk. Right. But I don't know. I don't do not like It's Tough to Be a book yeah i'm not a big fan i don't like being poked in the back i don't hate it yeah it's like to me it's yeah it's a torture ride uh what else do we uh that's i think that's mainly what we i feel like something else came off yeah um i don't know again listener let us know if there was anything

you really liked that you thought should be on here. Probably one staring us smack in the face and we can't see it. There might be. Can't smell it. Or we're wrong about it. Wafting us right in the face. All right, then. Well, round two, we head into.

And match of number one, the E.T. Evergreen Forest versus Vanilla and Waffles on Main Street. God damn it. Both atmospherically very pleasant. Fond memories associated with both. Oh, man. Man, this is... God, I don't know how it could be harder than this one. Honestly.

Here's that hemming and hawing. Yeah. I'm really mentally constipated um i wouldn't want to start thinking about this toe in the water of an argument here's the thing okay uh et for a smell i will say this about it um what are the one of the best things about it is i think that it simulates the things we were talking about, whether on purpose or accidentally, when we talk about pirates or Haunted Mansion, natural smell. There's some element of that forest smell that to me feels like accidental. It smells like pirates water to me.

I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's the nostalgia that's really infecting in my brain or it's like some weird off chemical because it's old. I don't know what it is. Do you know what I'm saying? There was a time where I thought Moo was a little accidental. Yeah. And it seems like a cousin of theme park water. Yes.

But I guess how could it be? There's no water in there. There's no real nature in there. There's fog. Right. Maybe the fog. But the fog is a fake thing too. But I don't think enough that they need to

jack it up with bromine which is a lot of what you're smelling in the pirates combination of water and bromine right so I you have to give it some points for that because of all these smells it's giving me that same vibe

as the pirates water which is hard to beat so I do have to put a one you know extra point on its board so to speak you feel like you're representing theme park water by choosing this fake smell and it gives me it's an extra i don't know what it is about it it gives it an extra little edge when I'm just thinking out loud about it. Yeah. It's hard, though, because, again, that Main Street smell. I don't know if Main Street's the same without it.

I don't know. Whoa. That's a heavy thought. Main Street works as well without that fun smell of like candy and waffles and ice cream and we are talking about a smell that is being smelled somewhere in the world every day constantly by everyone

as opposed to the E.T. Adventure which sadly is closed in a lot of places that if you are a theme park fan E.T. Adventure is one of your top three things if you're a regular person you might not care about this ride or this smell. Right. But obviously, we're theme park fans.

Our listeners are theme park fans. And I mean, look, I put over the whole experience with ET and everything from the forest. But it is also like, without Botanicus, does this hold up as well? We're talking about holding up. Sometimes he's not there. Sometimes he's not there. Sometimes he's not there. Sometimes he's broken and the smell's there and it smells still fantastic. Consistency, though.

And atmospheric. Mm-hmm. I don't know what I'm going to do here. I think the uniqueness, this is a tight one. I think the uniqueness will give it to et for me because sometimes i do not want to necessarily smell ice cream contrary to popular what sometimes if i had a big meal or like i'm feeling like groggy every day at disneyland the last thing i want to be blasted with like super sweet smells.

Interesting. I've never really thought about that in like a, oh, stop this stupid smell. It's sort of like a, maybe is it like a sickeningly sweet? Hey, should we have included? I know what, I remember what we didn't do. The fucking, the bathroom with all the giggling in Harry Potter. Oh yeah, what is the smell in there?

It's like bubble bubble gum isn't it am i making that up supposed to be i just assumed that was whatever the cleaner was am i wrong you might be right i mean but when i was googling it i was like nobody seems strongly i don't know fuck it it's not on uh no reason to go back there island of adventure has started doing more thematic bathroom scents in the bathrooms i remember that as a new story so maybe you are right but that's i think that's a whole different final four yeah bathroom scents we could do in general we also didn't get you know we i want i want to say we didn't put on any galaxy's edge and i think there are some great

smells in galaxy's edge but i don't think any any Galaxy's Edge. And I think there are some great smells in Galaxy's Edge. But I don't think any of them have the edge. Like there isn't the one that's like that. I agree. But I think they did a great job. Similar Disney Sea. I think you can attest good smells all over Disney Sea. But there isn't the one maybe.

I would just say they did a great job throughout. Journey to the Center of the Earth. There's a really good smell in that elevator. And the way that smells might be going in theme parks is what i'm saying with the subtlety so perhaps there again there are subtlety subtle smells that somebody will point out for us and go oh wow i didn't even notice that it perfectly makes the mood i didn't even realize because it wasn't hitting it hitting you in the face so hard yeah yeah but uh with this with what made it mike do you want to lock it in did you lock yours in i haven't locked in should i i'm locking in et we're locking in et

more you need to you can go to ice cream parlors and get a hit. You can get a little hit. Hmm. Hmm. And sometimes the real deal. That's true. It is a lot less unique. I agree. All right, fine. E.T. E.T.

It was E.T. for me. I just wanted to build the drama. It's E.T. It's the evergreen forest. I'm not happy about it, honestly. Mike, I believe you read the next one. Okay. We are down. We are here. This is Soren over California,

Orange Smell versus Chili Dog from Stitch's Great Escape. And Orange moves on. Orange moves on. Yeah. No question there. Let's, you know, in a long episode,

we could save a little time. Number three of round two. Jason. We've got the Pandoran Forest Tropical Smell from Flight of Passage versus the Gingerbread Smell from Haunted Mansion Holiday.

Again, I don't think Haunted Mansion Holiday, even though I do like it, is going to top a favorite smell of mine. So I'm giving mine to Pandora okay this one is a little tougher for me this is interesting okay because there's obviously we've gone over this whatever the actual physical smell is it's on two things that we really like for the pandora forest smell we'll call it yeah um and then gingerbread obviously jason's mad that it

has a real gingerbread house he's docking at points i assume uh no i just like the you you have sold me a little more that yeah obviously they have to shoot gingerbread at you to really sell the picture they're shooting it i just like the first one i find that first one so relaxing and so pleasant and it is i'm giving it fantastic look they wouldn't be here if they weren't fantastic of course we wanted to say that these are all good fake smells we don't want to knock any fake smell that's on this list they all belong here um i do it's such a pleasant smell that fiji thing is so pleasant um it's it's trying tranquility it's truly pleasant. It's tranquility.

It's truly like the smell of tranquility, which God knows we all need a little tranquility once in a while. You're going full Don Draper with this one. Yeah. I'm just trying to, I'm working it out in my head now. We didn't plan this out. A wheel, a carousel. It's, you know, I haven't been to Fiji and I certainly haven't been to Pandora. Right.

And it gives you a little taste. Gives you a really nice, it's really lovely. But I fucking love that gingerbread room. And I think I'm going to have to give it to the gingerbread room. Oh, boy. Oh, it's on me now. There's something about it. I look forward.

Again, all of it's, I mean, you know what? I talked a big game about subtlety, but all this stuff, which hits me in the face with a big, broad smell, that's the stuff I seem to like. So when I'm rounding the corner and I go, we're getting the gingerbread, I get real excited about it. And I got to go gingerbread here. I really like that gingerbread smell.

I definitely do i think though that that is that is in one attraction as opposed to what you know maybe unfairly maybe this is unfair yeah it's there's been a gerrymandering here of two attractions but if we're taking into account guest enjoyment and soaring over the world and pandora that's three different oh wait soren's in japan too yeah um it's let me just let me just go there in my imagination uh i mean that shimmer and what i'm almost thinking of it more for soren than pandora which is again because i've been on that more. And just that shimmering water, that music.

The sound of the water, too. You can hear gentle waves lapping. Yeah. But think of when you go on Haunted Mansion holiday and it's around Christmas and there's a festive vibe in the air and you get that gingerbread, which honestly still is one of the most festive smells. It really suggests to you the holiday.

Gingerbread's not on the list for me for cookies. Really? Yeah. Really? That makes sense to me. Chocolate chip, sugar, oatmeal, peanut butter. Gingerbread might be five. I might be more aesthetically into gingerbread than the taste of it.

Well, that's what I'd argue. I would argue that it's not maybe in my top five cookies. Well, then we're talking building material. But the smell. Gingerbread is such a festive holiday smell. I think I like gingerbread more than gingerbread cookies. Like actual bread? A slice of gingerbread.

Yeah. I don't know that I've ever had a slice of gingerbread. Maybe I haven't either. I don't know that i've ever had a slice of ginger bread maybe i haven't either i don't even know what that is um i am gonna go with pandora and forest all right i feel like i keep i keep paying no tiebreaker and i keep messing with you mike that's all right um uh yeah okay these are all great smells we don't want to knock any of the smells i was i remember being very excited going on um uh flight of passage and realizing oh it's that smell or a smell similar to that yeah i get to not knowing what was coming going like oh it's gonna smell like this for a little while hell yeah it's a great smell the unobtainium of smells i can't

smell i'm already very fond of. Sure. This one's brutal. Yeah, but this one is easy, isn't it? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. To me, it is. We're talking King Kong's Banana Breath versus Rome Burning and Spish of Earth.

Two innovators. Two early. 80s. This is the 80s representing. 80s in the field. 80s, yeah. Go, go, 80s. This is the 80s representing. 80s, yeah. Go, go, 80s. I like that.

This feels just a very analog time. Disney versus Universal. Battle for the ages. Fought for in our nasal cavities. I have to take personal bias out of it i what a victorious summer it was for me when i was facing having to work at one of several movie theaters you know clean bathrooms essentially and instead i got the dream job the dream job of a lifetime i was a very happy early 20 something and king kong's banana breath smelling that every day is when i felt the most alive yeah um i it's so it's you know i don't

want to be going all fast times at ridgemont high here i'm like fondly recalling the king kong's man breath is my dazed and confused for me me, it's not the smell of weed. It's the smell of banana breath. Putting your earbuds in on your break. Just hearing those sounds. I've got soul, but I'm not a soldier. Got soul.

Is there any saying that because that was a hit of the time? Is that right? I think that that because that was a hit of the time. Is that right? I think that's around then. Am I wrong? Is that too? No, that was on Sam's. I mean, that takes me back to the glory days of Southland Tales.

Isn't that hot? It was quite a time. Southland Tales was number one at the box office. 2004. And as for King Kong was number one on the theme park charts. Yeah. And Scott Gardner was cruising to adult happiness. 2004. And as for King Kong was number one on the theme park charts and Scott Gardner was cruising to adult happiness.

2004. 2004. Going back, oh something from a few years ago. Yeah, sounds good. Okay. Rumberg Spaceship Earth. This is an important smell. This is an important smell to people. Yeah.

This feels like one that could go all the way. This, I think, heightens a theatrical presentation. I'll say this. Against Kong's banana breath, that's a gag. Right? That's a gag. Like,

King Kong eats anything and, yeah, you're making, yeah, he's eaten that many bananas that his breath smells like banana. But didn't you just eat a car? We're making fun of the premise. It's true. Right.

But Rome burning. It's a bit of drama, of high drama. The burning of the library at Alexandria. You know, the fall of Rome. This is humanity. This is history. We're carrying the record. We're talking about

the written record being destroyed and the smell record preserving the record of records being destroyed. This doesn't go anywhere in the change. Like in the plus, in the redo of Spatial Earth that they're talking about doing, no way

this is taken out. It doesn't feel possible now yeah it's and it's atmospheric and it's it's a type of smell they're good like chaos smell like smoky yeah that's what i'm talking about that i like in galaxy's edge and i like in in journey of the center of the earth um these these kind of yeah these musty smoky things are bad you know it's another real smell we can include is like pyro and the smell of the indiana jones stunt show and maybe this is the way to represent the smoky sector right this yes this is yes there's a whole yeah genre of smoky smells some on purpose some not i mean it's yeah it's done shows in like phantasmic there's fire pyro water stuff gunpowder gunpowder um i wonder yeah i wonder there's probably places we haven't even considered um and this is a good representation of it

but that big monkey is so fun and unfortunately i've learned something about myself in this whole thing is that i'm not a subtle guy i'm not a guy who likes subtlety as much as i wish i did and this kong it's a big fun i don't know if you call it body but it's a gag and i have to go with kong well i certainly wouldn't call it body he He does not have breasts. He's not wearing, like, 40s underwear. Yeah, you're right. Is body always sexual? I think so. Let me just look at the definition of body.

It's always sexual? Your use of body, it's a whole... We don't have time to get into it. I would do an entire episode called Body. Yeah, it is sexual. Just because this is a... I meant... I should just say crude.

I should have said crude. You think this is crude? Well, he's burping. He's letting you smell his breath. It is impolite. It's impolite. It's the most prudish opinion I've heard. It's reminding us of when we used to be wild animals in the forest.

King Kong is crude. King Kong is crude because he's letting you smell his breath. King K. Rool. Oh, that guy's really rude. You're locked in. I'm locked in with Kong, yes. I'm going to lock in with Rome Burning. Oh, man.

Oh, man. Oh, man. On me again. Yeah. And of course, I'm turned off by the crudeness. Yeah. me again yeah and of course i'm turned off by the crudeness yeah um my bow tie has been spinning the whole time we've been talking about yeah the only crude i would hear about is that family of prehistoric guys who get up to mischief the crudes the crudes oh oh I really liked

Rome Burning on Spaceship Earth I kind of forgot that detail and Spaceship Earth is maybe the ride I went on the most on our trip recently I think I did it three times it's really great that is a really wonderful moment it is yeah

Scott's scratching his head. He's grimacing at the moment. I think this is the toughest choice I've had to make. Interesting. Yeah, understandably. The rest have all been... Say what's in your heart or your gut. Either one.

Those might be different things. They might be different things. This isn't easy. Banana breath. It's banana breath breath it has to be I've been going against you for the third time that has to be a consideration it's not just that

it's not even just the personal I just love that it's like I think it's iconic because it's referred to and we just talked about confrontation. It factors into that. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Rome Burnie. I'm sorry, Spaceship Earth. I'm a big fan of Spaceship Earth. We've got a final four. We've got a final four. E.T. Forrest. I might have my brackets wrong.

How are you seeing the versus here's what I'm seeing E.T. Forest versus Orange from Soarin' yeah that's what I have and then Pandora Forest versus Banana Breath I really like the last four I really like it

these are good yeah it is it's two Disney's and two Universals yeah two forests two forests yeah forest and two fruits yeah unfortunately it's too bad it's not forest forest and and uh orange versus banana that would be perfect that's us being like really just sweaty like god i can't i don't know orange versus banana what am i gonna do we will have to get there um i like it i like it i think we should just be proud of where we are yeah we should we've done a lot of hard stuff today you've had to make a lot

of hard decisions yeah um so evergreen forest versus oof this is this is tough soren orange is yes is really really fantastic these are and it's such a i'll say this okay so i guess we're in in it already forest uh et forest evergreen forest versus oranges from soren soren oranges smell so much like a perfect version of an orange i know it's fake but it really like they nail it in a way that almost none of these smells do where it smells like the perfect version of like they've just ripped open a hundred oranges and you're smelling the perfect version of them yeah like it's such a good fake smell this is such a good this is not air freshener this is like this isn't just a well-deployed smell you smelled before i think this is top tier just like juicy dewy oranges yes whatever they're doing whatever they're pumping into our nasal

cavities it's really triggering the right things in our brain like but you can also just go to camarillo well sure you can go to camarillo i think it's easy i mean you can get a really good orange if you pick the right time of year to go to trader joe's i i agree with what you're saying but i'm saying this is almost a supercharged heightened version it's an ideal smell yes an idealized smell and i'm saying they do that better than almost any of the other smells idealized smell maybe other than gingerbread i might almost say pure quality if we're talking smell only between these four this might be the best i would maybe context free smell i would yes i would agree with that i think because the forest one is good but it's but where else can

you get that i i hear what you're saying et smell but it's not anywhere but that but that crisp that kind of kind of inside kind of must be you can't quite describe it which is both good and bad i'm saying when you're talking about pure smell just the smell on its nose whatever you would say this one you describe You could truly, you could explain it to someone else and you could convey what it is, which I think is a strength of it. I think that it would be hard to convey forest and ET and botanicus to someone who has not been there. And you could explain to somebody the orange and they would go, oh, I know exactly what that is. And I know exactly why you like it make it less special i'm not saying it doesn't make it less special but i'm saying that that that the forest one is nostalgia plays into it the mood plays into it and right now we're

talking just smell alone we're talking we're just trying to piece together here what makes the we're trying to deconstruct here so we're just talking about smell alone it's possible that context or that that nostalgia nostalgia and context it's they're too tied together as scott was saying if we have to analyze just smell alone this orange is such a pure awesome version wait do we have to just analyze smell alone we don't i'm just i'm just saying we're deconstructing here. This is just one way. We're deconstructing here. I don't know that I like the smell of citrus that much.

Really? Citrus is fantastic. Yeah. No, I do like it. But you don't like it that much. It can be a little much. So you don't like gingerbread. You don't like citrus.

What would you say your top smells are? What do you like the smell? Bread? Baking bread? I do like baking bread. Okay. You like that better than citrus and gingerbread? Yeah.

Baking. Rising chocolate chip cookies and brownies. Chocolate chip cookies have a very good smell. Yeah. When they're baking. I think citrus, I love the smell of citrus so do i like that said smell of a damn forest yeah of course i do you know what locking it in et forest yeah i'm locking it into

doesn't even matter i think something about the length of the argument started me going yeah you know what where else you gonna get that hit what are you voting for i hadn't decided well we do we know uh official for the record we um et forest all right i'm just trying to be in a lot i'm just trying to be honest i'm trying to give a you know i think it's the guilt that we feel about Eliminating but this is what this whole Thing is about it's all about this and it's all About trying to analyze

We're all banging our pens E.T. Forrest is going to go far I'm just trying to analyze and make sure That I'm doing this in the right way I don't want to jump the gun And say because one of my Favorite characters in fiction of my favorite characters in fiction maybe my favorite botanicus is connected to this smell you know what that

it doesn't deserve this i don't think i'm even putting botanic all right in there i don't think that's even part of it because the moment for me is when those stage doors open you've made it past the operators you've given your name why what could this be for i'm holding a passport for to what end and then you are out of this industry this lobby this is a place i feel like i'm at the bank right now and then the doors open and now you're in a magical forest and the coolness hits you and the smell smell hits you. It's a magical moment. It's almost more special because it's only in one place now. Look, I don't disagree.

I'm just trying to be honest. I'm just trying to be good. This takes us now to Pandoran Forest versus Banana Breath. Old versus new versus new blood pressure so high there's some like new versus these also are both like Soarin' versus

retro classic yeah let me start by saying the Pandoran Forest versus the ET Forest well hell of a matchup we almost can't we can't do that because if it wins yeah we can't let me just say that the pandoran forest is such a wonderful smell but it does if again if you separate the smell from the experience to me

feels like a really great hotel lobby smell and when you took the hotel lobbies when we were even discussing this and i just talked about polynesian we took it out it's not as specific i will say kong's banana breath when you put it up again now we can do this comparison orange it i don't think is quite as good as the orange smell it smells worse than the oranges yes it does smell worse than the orange and it's sometimes fainter yes and i didn't as all in the past obviously but uh it it didn't always work yeah right again i have to tie my experience in i did not smell that banana breath every day when i worked there um so the inconsistency i think you have to dock at points for you know there's no inconsistency on uh on flight of passage they're uh they're keeping tabs on that yes james cameron calls and checks every day i think the combination

of the smell and the movement and the 3d visuals you know it's just great i fight a passage around the world i will say the kong reminds me and this is a good thing kong reminds me of banana runts and i love banana runts they are a bit divisive i hear which is crazy to me because i don't know i don't i don't like them yeah a divisive i don't know why i don't a lot of people i think i would put it as my favorite kind of runt see it goes maybe strawberry they had cherry runs and they've got rid of them which is crazy but that's another podcast of fakie flavoring i tend to prefer strawberry over cherry yes but the fakey cherry when you go like maraschino cherry style fake cherry is delicious no that's a plus no that's a plus in that column i love a maraschino

cherry like a shirley temple situation yeah um which i've seen a lot of chatter there's a little boy that uh yeah the shirley temple boy yeah is his name the shirley temple king so i think so it's too late to be getting in this episode with this but there's a little boy who reviews shirley temples called the shirley temple king i believe wow and uh he'll be a future guest in the show yeah see you soon king um maraschino cherries are a little ruined for me by the luxardo cherries in the carthay man oh well sure i mean those are fantastic uh sweet cherries as well it's just now i can't go back uh that's like right in first class i can't go to uh see i don't really like the brandy i like them okay but give me the fucking kroger brand binky maraschino cherries. That's all day. All day.

So, I, the forest is just such a pleasant, great smell. It doesn't feel that specific to me. It doesn't, of all the four of these that are left, it doesn't feel as specific as those other three.

Whoa. It doesn't have as much character, I feel like. It's wonderful and it's very pleasant and it's, again, combined with two experiences that are fantastic. It's not as specific to me and I got to give it to Kong. So I have voted.

Um, let's do, I don't know. Do you know? You go, you can, I'll break the, I'll,

I'll be the last this time. As much as... I really wish that we were ending on E.T. Forest and... Oh, wait. Oh, E.T. Forest and... I kind of wish the last two were E.T. Forest and Orange in a way. But we already made it through that one. Right. Because I actually think maybe pandora is lesser than i would maybe go below orange on that i don't we are where we are disagree um

and i i'm delighted by i want to look at this paper and see et forest versus king kong's banana breath that i really like that, if I'm being honest, I think I have to say Pandora and Forrest. I think the inconsistency and the sometimes faintness of it. I know where this is going, Jason. I know where you're going. And I'm giving it to Pandora and Forrest.

Of course. This has been tough for you, Mike. A lot of losses. I think the audience is going to side with me on a lot of these. They're going to be very upset. But now we have E.T. Forrest versus Pandora Forrest. Which?

And this is where my journey with Pandora Forrest ends because. I'd like, look, I'd like to belabor this. I'd like to do my whole analysis with it. But what are we, who are we kidding here? Yeah. Yeah. All right. I mean, come on.

It's got to go ET all the way. I mean, I don't think that one. Goodbye, Pandoran Forest. It has to be the picture that I have here. SWC 1040 956 Evergreen Forest sent air. It says says please recycle on it. Here's the photo. We'll post it for you on Twitter. Get your catalogs

out. Get your scent catalogs. The winner is this. Industrial grade. This weird little black machine. This is the winner. Yeah. Of the 2020 fake smell final four. Goodbye

orange. Fuck you banana breath eat shit um ginger and gingerbread uh it's so great it's so great yeah i don't even and i hmm yeah i think you're right is it pure smell but you can't you can't fault things for getting nostalgia tied up into them. I tried. I tried. Is there a single smell, like of any of these smells, do you think anyone would be mad about this result? No.

I don't think this ultimate victor, anyone would be mad about it. I think there will be. I think there's people who would think that number two should have been Rome burning. I think there will be a lot of controversy when it comes to brackets, but I don't. I think the majority of the audience will agree with us. And I do think it's what I said. I forget which round it was. I think that the forest combines almost everything.

It has got all of the elements of what we like. It's in a perfectly placed themed area that makes you feel a certain way that even accentuates the smell and your magical association with the smell. It also is. I was hitting it for not being you couldn't describe it, but probably that is actually a positive because it's so specific to this area yep and and again it does to me at least remind me of the natural man-made weird smells from theme parks again we don't know exactly if that's on purpose or not or if there's like some decaying part of the ride somewhere that's helping it but it does add to that like feeling of like this is old or something like it's been here for a while musty

and mildewy and i think yeah there was a point in time where i thought it was more accidental uh yeah i feel like you we can see pirates in this choice yes and universe a park that not terribly good at preserving its own history usually bulldozes its own history yes to mixed results sometimes to great success we et still still hanging on and it's almost the fact that it's almost one like if you name three things about this ride and what you like about it yeah i almost guarantee the three things are include the smell and botanicus and then like he says your name yeah yes now let me ask this do if we find a way to get this uh scent air if we actually buy it we smell it and it smells way different

and we realize that part of the smell of the tea right is the right itself much like pirates can we disqualify this from much like you know with baseball if somebody took steroids they come out of the hall of fame if we have somebody make a case that it's half this smell and half the actual old ride does this disqualify the forest smell can't change the results they've been written down and signed as we've learned in recent history okay locked in all right uh i also think that like the smell being released the place does matter the place yeah i think the place yes now that you're yeah okay so this will stay and these smells might be different just in your apartment versus right yeah i have to say yeah if it came down to

et forest versus rome burning that would have been a much harder final round to judge. Yeah, it's almost weird that against other competitors, I feel bad as the one who eliminated Rome Burning. I guess we did together, Mike. What's your number two? Take the brackets out of it. If you just had to rank these 16 what's number two because mine is orange i think it i actually think the final two should have been et and orange but that's just we got that one done early i think it's room burning mine is

mine is between orange or gingerbread wow Wow. Gingerbread makes it all the way. I love that gingerbread. I guess I just have such an association with the smell. I just, I can see the argument being made for orange for sure. Yeah. You included in there. Yeah. Listeners, tell us what you think. Do you strongly disagree with this? Have we massively overrated the evergreen forest?

You know what? If I was ever on the fence and i didn't like that it was we were calling it damp forest before evergreen forest just gave me such a good feeling when you clarified the actual name right again as long as this is accurate but it does make it sound better and it seems right there's no none of these smells i would rather have in front of i would i'd rather walk into a room full of it. Right. The evergreen forest smell.

Right. I wish I could. It's only Florida. And yeah, if, if you work on the ride and you can, uh, steal one of these for us,

don't get fired. Steal from your job for us. Don't get fired. I'm just joking. I'm just making some fun. But seriously, if you want to email us. Oh boy.

Well, yeah. Uh, congratulations. Congratulations. Evergreen forest. Um, joking i'm just making some fun but seriously if you want to eat oh boy well yeah uh congratulations evergreen forest um i think we sort of the the the smart money was always on this yeah um but it's still fun to acknowledge all these other great smells is evergreen forest now a ptr legend or does that have to be a separate ceremony? We automatically put the winner of our final fours into the legends category. I would argue. Yes, I think so.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so imagine we're raising to the ceiling, a basketball Jersey that smells like the evergreen forest. Right. And then also a basketball Jersey. Shay, the, the, uh, radiator springs rocks are cut into a basketball jersey that's good yeah yeah those those are rising up into the the rafters of

mike's apartment okay yeah so welcome to welcome to your legend status evergreen forest you made it you're yeah so okay i'm exhausted yeah i know me too yeah i don't know what else to say how long did that take i think honestly it was only it was under last time i think we went like two and a half this is under two hours i think yeah yeah this well it was a little easier there was a clear yeah the final two was a lot tougher on yeah it was i agree fake rocks um what do we do next next year yeah there's a lot of different things i don't know suggest away uh listeners uh we've talked about some you know maybe less interesting things like best theme park song um best maybe ride vehicle divorced from the actual ride itself that's

interesting um mover around what would you what would you want omnimover you know wi-fi controlled vehicle like luigi or rise of the resistance but is it like almost can we not even do like a good one do they have to be so they have to be these are all good i mean bathrooms yeah well we've set up yes we've set a precedent for maybe not picking the most obvious thing. Do they always have to be fake something? Is there anything left? I think, yeah, fake is a great component. Is there anything left?

Fake... Sounds? Sounds, yeah. Like animal sounds? Most sounds are fake. Best, like, real animal. Best real animal. And Mimu goes up against like goats and Main Street horses.

Okay. We could do one where we rank the Main Street horses throughout time. Oh, so ranking dead horses, you're saying. Yeah, yeah. And a few alive ones. Yeah. Is one of them named duke or something didn't duke retire am i thinking of a different horse there was one named duke i think but not

long ago you and i both tweeted congratulations at duke for being a new main street horse am i wrong oh they believed like they did a thing because i'll post on like Twitter and stuff about the new horses or new positions. So what about best best firework? It's a red burst versus white stardust. That's good. Those all have names. There's a firework called Chrysanthemum, which is like us. You know, it looks like the flower um i'm trying to think i guess mickey ears if it makes a shape that's something yeah um best fake i want to say like fake sky

on a ride that's i don't know indoor sky is pretty good indoor sky is that would give me a reason to talk about the caesar's palace yeah yeah shops of i forget their official name they're the forum shops i believe you can throw like small world in there which we've talked about before um would you call that fake sky oh i said we could just yeah you would truly be sky fake final fours i see what you're saying fake sky and then maybe it's also uh the you know like the end of the hollywood area of california adventure yes on the universal tour is a big like backdrop that's right where the tlc waterfalls video was filmed fake cities uh-huh london and peter pan yeah mexico city and the boat ride like depictions of real fake real place fake real places fake real places it's funny yeah well well we'll think

of more yeah there's got to be something else too well and how would we determine what one to do next? Possibly by getting a list of 16 and having them compete. Oh, that's great. On the list. Okay, that's good. The fake final four, final four. Maybe next year is the fake four, final four. Best landscape architecture. And the year after we do it.

But it's just a year wasted on deciding what it is. It just a year wasted on deciding what fake thing we do. Yeah. All right. That's funny. This is just as much as we can stretch. That's a whole podcast that we do. As much as we can stretch. It's a whole podcast that we're stalling for something.

For what? I don't know. I'm not sure either. Trying to put it off. We're just trying to make it to the end of the Trump administration with smiles on our faces. Yeah, 20 years away. We've got four more years. Oh, yeah, right.

Yeah, four. What am I talking about? Well, gang, on that less than positive note, you survived, I guess, the ride. The fake smell final four. Congratulations, Evergreen Forest. Well deserved. Well fought. Yeah. the ride the fake smell final four congratulations evergreen forest congratulations well well deserved well fought yeah uh i don't want to be crass but edwin is making a smell right now he has farted really bad oh to really send us off with a smell you're kidding really i swear to god wow it's crazy it's not fake though it's not. It's not fake, though. It's like he knew. It's not fake. There's nothing fake about it.

This makes me want to keep going to force you to stay over there where he is. That's fine. He just did it once. But you have the button, so you could stop it whenever you want. That's true. And get far away from this fart. Yeah. Edwin, by the way, the dog.

Edwin is Mike's dog. In case you don't know. Well, see you next year for something even stupider. Bye. Forever. Well, see you next year for something even stupider. Bye. Forever Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson, Jason Sheridan, Scott Gairdner,

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