Podcast: The Ride - Fantasy Springs at Tokyo DisneySea with Guy Selga

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

Guy Selga(Touring Plans) experienced Tokyo DisneySea's new expansion Fantasy Springs and tells us about his adventures! Hear about Tangled, Frozen, Peter Pan and most exciting, a confusing, option filled theme park reservation system! "Betting on D23" episode is up at: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide  FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

FOREVER! DOG! All that plus Guy Selga returns to talk Tokyo DisneySea's newest expansion, Fantasy Springs, on theme park podcast hosted by three men who turn into Sherlock Holmes when it comes to concept art for new theme park lands. My name is Mike Carlson. Joining me as always, my dear Watson, Jason Sheridan. The game is afoot, Holmes. Was there a third character before I knew Scott? Yeah, I was going to say, what the hell do you do with me? Yeah, I don't know. I'm not Moriarty. That's the other side of it. But Moriarty,

doesn't he team up with them sometimes in different versions of Sherlock Holmes? Ask Mr. Book over here. Yeah, I know. Smarty pants. What do you think? I am not knowledgeable about all the adaptations. Maybe that fox was a Fox Kids. There was a future Sherlock Holmes.

Mr. Literary has referred us to Fox Kids. Fox Kids, yeah. You've never read a Sherlock Holmes? Really? I've read a bunch of Sherlock Holmes. Okay, but Moriarty never teams up with them in one of them? He's usually a villain antagonist. I'm familiar with that uh but i'm just saying

there's got to be one more and more there's not and one where moriarty uh stares at a picture to see if the shape of a building resembles uh is there currently existing cityscape that's just re-skinned or repainted there's got to be one and the fox kids when i bet there was a episode like that where he was looking at concept art and he was trying to figure out if they had rethemed one quick service restaurant into a different quick service restaurant because he's a brilliant mind so he could be able to tell just from the art i can only go so far my dear watson i wear this we may need to consult with some consortium of dorks the scott kids one is in the far uh flung future and And, Scott, you could be Mrs. Hudson, the landlady. Does she help them solve mysteries?

Well, she comes through. Mrs. Hudson sometimes accidentally points them in the right direction. Does she take their money? Do I get your money? Then I'll be the landlady. Yeah, he could get your money. But is there another character i could uh intro our guest as before before i do the intro like from this fox kids

like mrs is there a new character that you could find on the wikipedia is what i'm saying um not in this amount of time all right well even on the wikipedia no i just couldn't remember m. Hudson I'm just going to troll our guest but we could add it later too he's returning to Podcast to Write he's a writer for Touring Plans it's Guy Selgo welcome back

hello thank you for having me back it's so nice to be back amongst theme park journalists and you can just what are you giving us that? you can assign me one of the bobby's world characters too that's fine oh you'll just go fox kids that's great yeah what about life with louis like louis dad yeah you know any old any old cartoon they made off of a weird perverted comedian in the era okay yeah sure i like that uncle from bobby World. I don't remember his name. He was like the, not Howard Generic.

That was their thing. I just remember that, that they say that they have to correct the name all the time. But who was the uncle? The uncle's the guy you want to be. I can't come up with it. I can't think of the name either. Before we get started, I did bring a couple of gifts. I'll be quick with this.

Oh, my God. Hi, thank you. That's so nice mike and jason i just want you to enjoy these delicious donuts that i brought you whoa mike i gave you a total sugar bomb one they call it raspberry bomb jason i i'm giving you a peanut butter and jelly donut oh my god thank you. Scott, you get no donut. That's fine. That is a fine calculation.

He likes that. He likes that. I'm stuffed. You will receive a cursed item. Oh, my God. No. Uh-oh. The opposite of a sweet treat.

I will explain why. Okay. There have been several episodes of this podcast where you have admitted to not remembering the Country Bears' names in the Country Bear Jam bear jam yeah even after the last time we saw you was for country bears and it's all been out of my head yes so you you are receiving um what some say is the worst video game ever made it's shack foo for the super nintendo well you say punishment and yet i mean this this art will brighten my house you will go home in a shack foo pose you will punishment, and yet, I mean, this art will brighten my house.

You will go home. Shaq in a Shaq Fu pose. You will go home, and your son will ask, Daddy, why is our family cursed? And you will have to explain to him. No, hardly. Our home is protected now by an enforcer of justice. Yes. Wow, wow.

From a video game resell in place. Oh, this is rad. I might pop this. I got the, you know, I'm a bit of a gamer. I have a NES, SNES combo console. Oh, wow, really? You have that? Recently purchased.

Only used for Dr. Mario. I have literally never put anything in the Super NES slot, so this might be the debut. Thank you for keeping that particular reader alive on my console. Kick it off. Thanks, guy. put anything in the Super NES slot. So this might be the debut. Thank you for keeping that particular reader alive on my console. Kick it off. Thanks, guy. I cocked hours on Shaq Fu on Genesis.

Yeah. And it's pretty odd. It's very strange. It is a strange game, yeah. Yeah. Almost like the combination of Shaq and Halloween or Shaq and the General or Shaq and essentially any of the things. Shaq and Soda.

Shaq and Soda. And they made a Shaq Fu sequel only a few years ago. Really? Legend Reborn? Yeah. For what? The Google has just filled in? All the modern consoles and PC and everything.

How did this not come across my desk? That's really strange. I think it flopped hard and was very bad, but that keeps in with the spirit of the franchise, I suppose. Well, and with different endorsements, the Czech usually is involved. I think they may have even kick-started it, if I remember correctly. Really?

Wow, that's crazy. I'm dying to see another character name. I'm scanning Wikipedia, etc. Kaori. Where are these donuts from? So Old Ferry is like, I see them mostly in areas with a lot of Asian restaurants and things.

So I live in near Buena Park. Okay. Well, yeah, thank you for coming up here. You live in the greatest city in the world. Yes, Bee Park, of course. At least you're being willing to leave. Yeah, that'd be our thing.

Hey, it only took me 90 minutes to get here. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Well, we got to give you a show then. We got to make it worth the drive. Well, hey, good news. When you get home and you want to crash, Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century is available on Tubi.

Yes. Like all the best stuff. Tubi's so good. I love Tubi. Yeah, Like all the best stuff. Tubi's so good. I love Tubi. Yeah, yeah. It's where classics are reborn. Are you still working on another character? No.

Oh, did I need another character? That's all right. That's all right. We got a whole hour. We got a whole hour. We got a whole hour. We have someone here who actually knows about theme park things. We have to take advantage of that.

Yes, I agree. So yeah, Guy, you've done a lot. You've traveled a lot lately. You've been to D23. You're everywhere lately, I feel like. Yes, yes. I was at D23. You were texting me, asking me questions.

Are people into this? Yes, yes. I guess I actually accidentally cited you anonymously on our recap episode, but that was Guy is the source for, was the audience liking all these songs? And specifically, right before we started recording, there was some discussion of Mad Tea Party and was Mad Tea Party working out in the room? Yeah.

And Guy said... People were loving it. They gave out these wristbands where they had a light on it that synced with the music during all the songs. People were loving that. It was a big spectacle. There were lasers. What do you think was the biggest hit or even one that you liked a lot?

Because I imagine that music stuff played better in the room. And there were some legit big acts here and there. What worked the best? I think what legitimately moved people was the Meghan Trainor singing Feed the Birds. Really? People were like sobbing. Yeah. I mean, I would say the song people like.

Which I don't like. That's not her vibe is to make people sob. How dare they put her in that situation. She was playing against type. You're just used to a certain trainer vibe. And she's showing you that she has more range. But in terms of announcements... In terms of announcements, though,

people were really into the Magic Kingdom nighttime parade. That seemed to get a huge reaction. Interesting. Did we even discuss it in the show? We forgot to discuss that. Yeah, in a very lengthy episode. Uh-huh, uh-huh. What is the selling point with that?

What's exciting about that parade i think people are just excited to have a new nighttime parade in uh it has been a while right because they have they not been running one at all or just an old one i they were doing mainstream electrical parade and then that ended before the pandemic right right i think oh so there's not been One since Panda Okay Yeah Yeah And then You know yeah

We recorded forever And then we did Like there was a couple Big ones we left out We didn't even talk about Robert Downey Jr. Being on all the Marvel rides Which has to be

Oh that is kind of a bit Yeah yeah yeah That it's not just Well that's bad news For anybody For soundalikes out there And it's bad news Like anybody who has pepper

Yep Pepper Anybody can swivel their head. That's what you got to do to make the voice happen. So yeah, I guess he's replacing all, right? That's what your take is on it? Yeah. He's going to do all the voices and-

I wonder if they'll re-record his little- That's what I'm wondering. During all the stunt shows and whatever. Right. Who knows? Yeah, I don't know. But I assume that's part of the big Doctor Doom package that he signed to do the new movies.

Like, well, if we're giving you $80 million, then... More. More? Is it more? I think... I tried to guess a big number, and that was still not the number. I bet it's 80 guarantee. Uh-huh.

And then there's potential for... Yeah, there's, like, targets. I say, like, well, all right, if it goes over a billion... Yes. ...then we'll toss some more your way chick will probably yes it's really well so yeah that that was in the package i assume so now he yeah he'll be on the rides going forward and maybe the old rides i don't know i don't know if you caught how they announced it either but they showed bob eiger yeah on the the kuka arm thing

and it was blurred out who was sitting next to him yeah yeah and then they revealed the blur well and then people are crazy this see this is where we were at a disadvantage watching a live stream because when they revealed the blur i was like who's that right yeah couldn't be from a cell phone camera really far away yeah and still not a great picture up on the screen i truly was like is that stamos from a weird angle? Why are they showing us this? Is that Michael Eisner? I can't imagine if he was doing the voice.

Bring him back. Blow, Iron Man. He returns when we need him the most. I don't love wearing a suit without a big 90s blocky tie pattern, but I guess this suit is cool as well in its own way. If he was still CEO, that would be certainly an intro for some wonderful world of Disney where he's in an Iron Man

outfit or something. Him Marvel interaction. He suits up and then you throw the thing like a dummy and he lands in bushes. I'm like, oh boy. I think we need some work on that takeoff. Enjoy the show, folks. We should just write a bunch of new ones that would have happened in the last decade. Oh, that's a good idea.

That is pretty good. Hypothetical. Right. And then, like, from the stuff that was- For the broadcast premiere of Wish. Yes. And then, like, Solo, what he would have done for Solo on Disney or on ABC or something. I'm a Solo writer as well.

Like, he's in line with uh han solo or something and they are you together no i'm he's alone and then they cut to like the actual movie and it's like oh solo okay you're like that would have been a good one there's a little we'll get do this off mic but this is maybe a whole episode it's just brainstorming because we got a year when was the last time he did that like two decades Yeah. We could fill in two decades worth of hypothetical Michael Eisner intros. Wish coming out. Mars needs moms. Oh, Mars needs moms.

Mars needs moms is really good. That's right, we're proud to present the world broadcast premiere of Mars Needs Moms. And I need my mom. Oh, and then she comes and acts Yeah She's an even worse actor But it's him with a wig or something That might be a little silly for him to do Oh I guess you're right Would he be willing to

Yeah Maybe not Dress up like an old lady I don't know that's a good question Now Michael I mean look I guess brainstorming I'd like to imagine it

Yeah This is blue sky So we can sort of Cast however we want In these scenarios So If only Well maybe that's a future episode um but yeah were there any other big highlights on the show floor like

Imagineering Pavilion or anything yeah the Imagineering Pavilion was really cool they they did these little mini presentations every 15 minutes where an Imagineer would come up and talk about themed lighting or the floor or how they paint something or sound design. So that was a – and you could just walk up and wait and see it. And that was nice. And then they had the Elsa animatronic from DisneySea on display. So that was cool to see up close. And the movements on the mouth looks amazing.

They had an avatar booth, which was heavily sponsored by dolby atmos and so you would walk through and it was just a nice themed environment with swooshing banshee sounds overhead and then a mighty ekron of course to take a picture with and then a baby ekron uh that was like a 80s epcot figment style puppet thing so a scientist is like holding a little baby Ekron and he's like, now, you're just feeding time? What? Is this anything they do in Animal Kingdom or that they might do here when it's open here?

I don't know. That sounds great. It sounds similar to the baby like raptors. Yeah. At the Jurassic World, Jurassic Park areas at Universal with the trainers holding them. Yeah. Was the baby Ikron cute?

It was kind of cute. It was kind of cute. Yeah, I got to say. You believe that, though. I do, yeah. As much as we're all pretty horrified by any depiction of Avatar babies. Sure.

A little less in the film, although even still. A little bit. It didn't prevent me from crying in that part of way of water sure yeah the only film that has moved me in the father way since becoming a father uh but i still you know most depictions uh still a little bit creepy yeah that's true um so yeah so there was i'm trying to remember because i just saw i saw photos of that maybe a cron um and then they they usually just have like stuff sitting out like i don't want to that sounds bad like they're sitting out in the sun or something but like they have robots and stuff or

like costumes and stuff sitting out there yeah and then they had the disney archives booth which was this year was cars theme not the franchise cars but like movie cars so they had a 1964 world's fair car from the ford magic skyway they had a old 80s disneyland parking lot tram which i actually saw on the five when i was driving up to burbank on monday really going back to the storage whoa that's funny and then they had um the the volume oh right from lucasfilm set up not like a mini one the full-on thing and you could record a little 10-second scene in it after you waited for two hours.

Oh my God. So that was really neat to see up close and see it shift with the movement of the cameras and whatever. And have you posted your scene? What did you do in the volume? I did not do it. A friend did.

And the scene he got was with a stormtrooper, I think. And I think he was just like, let's get out of here. I don't really know what you would do in 10 seconds, but yeah. It looked cool, though, just to see. Yeah, I saw somebody post it, and I'm trying to, I think R2-D2 was in it?

I'm trying to remember. Yeah, he was there, too. But that's something I would have wanted to know was there before, so I could have dressed up in some ways. Of course. Not as a Star Wars character, necessarily, but... Star Trek, obviously.

As a Star Trek character. I was going to say American Graffiti character. Yes. I don't know the names of any of the characters in American Graffiti. No, no. Now that I think about it. No. Just a jacket.

Just a leather jacket, I suppose. Just a leather jacket or a cardigan with a big letter on it. Yeah. Jason, real quick. Do you have a cardigan with a big letter on it by any chance? No, I have a number of cardigans. I know, but... I go back and forth with them. But not with a big J?

No, I should. You should. I should look into that. Birthday's coming up. Maybe I'll get you a cardigan with a big J on it. And if you want to be a really good friend, a big J in it. Hell yeah, Verler. Were people high at D23 at all?

I mean, I saw people getting drinks at the, the Honda center. Oh, right. That's what we were asking. There was one cocktail that was $40 by the way. Really?

Yeah. That's like sphere prices. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think what else. And you were in, you just went to the parks panel. You didn't go to the movie thing or.

No. Yeah. I skipped the movies and then I, you know, no disrespect. I went to the legends a couple of the years and it's kind of boring. So I skipped that every year, but yeah, parks, parks panel. I feel like I got to be there for that. Just as much as theme park nerds in a room screaming at stupid stuff. Like, yeah. And were you satisfied with the screaming you got to do? What was your feeling coming out of there in terms of announcements? Enough for you? Happy with what you heard? You know, they say this is not blue sky. We're ready to put shovels in ground. But some of that is so far off. Stuff is going to change. Budgets are going to change.

Some movie is going to come out that's a hit that gets priority. You know it's going to happen. Sure, sure. My expectations are so tempered okay all right oh that's the right way to be yeah um but did you hoot and holler at any one specific announcement did you just feel like it came over your body or were you too reserved um in the panel i i was more focused on tweeting you know i'm a theme park journalist so of course but you know i i was getting excited for like coco i think that'll be a cool environment to ride through and if the avatar boat ride really is shanghai pirates like

that's gonna be sick yeah yeah so yeah sure and like one giant land dominating attraction that's like scenery to look at if you're not on it and then incredible to be on it too obviously uh sounds great what is your Avatar location guess? And we won't make you bet unless you want to. I just feel like it has to be Hollywoodland. Yeah, yeah. So also with Disneyland Forward, you guys may have said this on your episode,

I think we will never hear that name again. That's what, yeah, I said that, yeah. That's a good notion. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, that was like the functional campaign to the city, but it's not a very attractive, exciting term as a new place to, let's go to Disneyland for a while. Right.

I agree with you on Hollywoodland. This is maybe too long of a conversation to have on this episode, but real quick, we'll try to do it real quick. But it's interesting because if they do third park in Disneyland, then they get to make a big splashy announcement. I feel like they get to charge more at once then because it's an extra ticket. But then they have to kind of build it all at once.

If they just start adding to California Adventure and Disneyland, they can do it in pieces, but then it's not quite as splashy, and I feel like they only slowly make money over time. And it feels like, I don't like, I was trying to go back and forth on even if Disneyland forward turns into just more stuff or a third park.

Hmm. I don't know. I don't know if you have any insight or guesses. It's just a guess, but it seems like they really want to add capacity to DCA. And I see a lot of people online are speculating that they're going to replace grizzly peak with avatar. And I don't think they're going to want to lose all that capacity i think they want to add and that's clearly the the thing right now is they're adding to all the parks right yeah

that one doesn't make a lot of sense to me and what does it do to soren and the flow of everything in general um you've also got the tricky thing of if you look at that disneyland forward plot that there's so much more on the DCA side than the Disneyland. So the Disneyland, I mean, there's a good amount up there, but it starts to get a little awkward space way. I think, I think the Disneyland forward plan is a lot better for California adventure than for Disneyland proper. Right. Unless they switch it to Toy Story lot. Right.

And make, and a whole gate there. Right. Yeah. It's weird though. It's like not, that would be this unless they as it stands it'd be like the smallest park easily yeah so that that's an awkward thing about it it's interesting and and just the fact that the only thing they've floated as a possibility for over there is a mall with a jock lindsey's uh i'm like almost in support of that may over a park in a way well a bunch of new places to drink that are fun i'm like great uh yeah and they could maybe add one ride you could do a little celestial park thing over there give it like one little experience or something that's a fun idea yeah i don't know yeah it's interesting right hybrid as

a fan of that burbank plan that never came to pass, there would have been a mall with a great movie ride. Right. Or probably by 1997, a mall. Yes. So I guess all that, I was thinking like, okay, if it's a third park, I feel like that's 15 years away. And if it's just adding lands, then maybe we'll get that in eight years.

Yeah, I think you're totally right. But I wonder- Not to say too much about how we're putting this together, but we're talking about, we lands and maybe we'll get that in eight years yeah i think you're totally right so but i wonder not to say too much about how we're putting this together but we're talking about we are recording this we we discussed the possibility guy did that we hear what the muppet deal is oh right while we're recording and wouldn't that but then we'd have to like emergency get it up oh my god yeah we are uh uh you know i'm refreshing Twitter. So far, nothing. John Goodman is trending, and I don't know why. I am on my theme park Twitter list,

and I do not see any Muppets talk at the moment. Well, this is the morning, and I think it's going to be released at the end of day. They want the news cycle to forget. But talking about adding capacity to parks, turning the Muppets and grand avenue area into a construction site you lose like multiple restaurants you lose a show yeah you know and and as opposed to like everyone mentions the animation courtyard but that's like that would add capacity and not take away a show in a bunch of restaurants

that would make the most sense wouldn't yeah yeah but it's more expensive yeah so maybe i don't know i don't know i i've heard i've heard all the chatter and we'll see that's my position at the moment we might have seen by the time we might have seen i don't know i don't know it's a scary time uh yes we are america for this reason only there's one big thing that's going to happen towards the end of this year that i'm worried about and it's if the muppets going to close so glad this is all we have to worry about the only thing i'm worried about going forward um yeah, okay. So that's all very cool. Do you want to talk sort of what we discussed?

Like you went to Fantasy Springs. Yes. Which is the new expansion at our beloved Tokyo Disneyland, Tokyo DisneySea. And that's very exciting. We're very jealous. Yeah.

And as soon as you brought up this topic, I was like, I guess we should talk about it even if we didn't go. I guess, yeah, yeah. I still feel like I tried to do it with only light spoilers. I watched ride-throughs, but I didn't memorize ride-throughs. I did the same thing.

I skimmed because I still want some. However, I definitely do want to hear what it's like on the ground and just get a shape of the place. Yeah. So I guess, do you want to start off with the story of Fantasy Springs? Sure. I don't know it. This is the official story off of the website. It's four paragraphs long.

I know it might take a little bit, but Mike or Jason, can one of you read the story? Oh, wow. You're donating the story? We want you to do it. You do it. Okay. Do you think it's like a good I'll just do whatever feels right

Let the story guide it Once upon a time in a land far away There was a magical spring where a Spirit a sprite is that sprite you think It's not sprit Probably sprit You never know it's IP The spritz will tell us It's IP. The Sprits. We'll tell the toys of the Sprits.

It's Spirit, actually, because the Spirit is in the second lane. While the Spirit fed beautiful gardens, she was curious and flowed great distances where she encountered enchanted stories. Upon returning home, the Spirit used her powers to sculpt stone, branch, and bank into intricate shapes resembling those she met. As she bubbled and sparkled in pools, fountains, and waterfalls, the spirit often sang melodies discovered on her many journeys. Okay, so what do we got here so far?

There's a spirit and she's singing and turning bank into... A spirit happened to encounter many stories that were all intellectual property of one company and kind of, you know the some of the more popular ones and not mars needs moms right okay yes good good recap uh one day a duchess who loved travel and adventure discovered the beauty of the springs wandering along the rivers and streams of the springs the duchess found herself transported to magical places the duchess loved the enchanted springs so much

that she built a little summer home nearby. As more of her friends visited, the Duchess built a grand palace to host them all. Even today, should you follow the water flowing from the spring's source, you would come to fabled kingdoms found in storybook tales. Wow. So a rich lady liked this place, so she built a mansion there? Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. Hopefully no spirits residing in the specific spot where I want to build a mansion. That's interesting, because I was like, all right, spirit, and then something kind of, she like pulled something from the ground in a magical way, but no, like a rich lady.

Can I read that next paragraph? Okay, let me get it. Okay, wow. So the Duchess then encountered a very tall man, almost a giant. His name was Shaquille O'Neal. He soon after walked into a dojo while heading to a charity basketball game

in Tokyo, Japan. He went to another dimension, the second world, to rescue Nezu from the mummy Setra. Oh, wow. it's actually good you brought the game because it ties into the mythology that's all one seamless mythology that's cool so this story of fantasy springs do you think that visiting the land you will know any of this i mean do you think this is said anywhere in the land or conveyed in any way? Did you know it before or find it out after?

I read it before because I saw someone else point out, have you seen this story? It's absurd. And then visiting there, this is mentioned nowhere, none of this. Would you say it's more or less active? This is before all of our time, but if we had to compare it to how much the story of Merryweather pleasure was present if you went into the eight tracks club. But there's no plaques. There's no plaques saying this story. So less present because there were plaques there. Yeah, you're right.

Wow. So not even a plaque. This is an online only mythology. But is the summer home there? The summer home is the Fantasy Springs Hotel. Because I think it says in there, more visitors started coming, so then she built a grand hotel

for all her friends who are visiting. So that's how they justify the hotel. And the hotel was very grand. Some parts of it a little bit grander other parts uh there wasn't quite there weren't enough wishes to make it quite as grand the most grand but you know how it goes you gotta budget these wishes the duchess was a little bit down on her luck that she didn't have as many millions as she normally did duchess isn't always crushing it wow so as we go through this land, just keep all that in mind.

I'm sure you've all memorized it already. Remember that Duchess. I like that Duchess though is an IP now of Disney. Yeah. And she's just a generic, she's not Duchess from the Aristocats. She's just a Duchess. Different Duchess. Wow. So this land or port

as they're called in DisneySea, it's located between Arabian Coast and Lost River Delta. Right. Which is sort of like far corner of the park. Right. It's a long walk, way past everything. It is a very long walk. A friend told me that if you walk from Hotel Miracosta at the main entrance of the park to Fantasy Springs Hotel, it's the same walk as walking from Shinjuku Station

to Harajuku Station. Oh my God. Wow. So that's like, I think a mile and a half. Jeez, wow. So it's very long. The entrance of Fantasy Springs actually reminds me a lot of Galaxy's Edge

because it's these two caves that you go through. One is an entrance and one is an exit. So you're exiting kind of this hyper-realistic lands of the main Disney Sea into what is essentially their fantasy land. Right, okay. So it kind of exists outside of, because it is the first area of Disney Sea

that's not centered around, that doesn't touch the main waterway that kind of connects all of all of the ports so it almost you literally do enter another world in a way yeah and i was gonna say this at the end but now's a good time it does feel very disconnected from the rest of the park huh huh and you know in every land in every and all the other ports you see mount prometheus and you kind of see each land's interpretation of mount prometheus so in cape cod it's very calm it's a calm mountainside and in uh mysterious

island it's an ominous volcano oh yeah uh you can see mount prometheus from one spot inside fantasy springs and it's it's an afterthought you're inside skull rock in the peter pan area and you just see a little glimmer off in the distance of mount prometheus and that is on purpose that that's the only like because there's so like much thought put into all the different like vantage points in tokyo disney sea it's amazing yeah there's almost like a preview of what that disconnected california adventure across the street might feel like sure like a park that is sort of just like disconnected and and then take you where you take a weird bridge or a tunnel to get over there it's i mean like does it does that hurt it at all to you or is it just like oh interesting it's just kind of different it's just interesting and worth

pointing out and and the the caves to get in serve a practical purpose to park ops because it's a backstage road that you're that is going over I mean, you obviously don't see it. But yeah, the walkway to get up to these caves is also shockingly large. I didn't measure it out on Google Maps or anything, but it feels as big as Disneyland's hub. It is such a far walk to go from Arabian Coast to the caves to enter Fantasy Springs.

Wow. And then as you approach, there's rock work of peter pan and an elsa and rapunzel so those are like the three mini lands inside fantasy springs that's kind of the thing around all of fantasy springs is there's rock work of characters from various disney movies yeah and in the hotel grounds there's a whole like these rocks are all beauty and the beast characters and are some of those in the park too that it's not necessarily characters that are represented in the land,

but that you'll see. I don't remember. Cinderella, I think. Cinderella, the Maleficent dragon. The magic mirror from Snow White is hidden in a waterfall, and every once in a while the face will come out. Oh, I think I did see that. It's actually kind of creepy at night.

Yeah, it's a little. And also it's exciting that we get a bunch more of this great rock work. Like, for all of the ups and downs or complaints or disappointments of high highs and various lows of recent Disney stuff, rocks have been on fire. Everything rock-wise. And this is that dude Zolt Hormé again, right? This is Mr. Fake Rock. Yet another masterwork from this guy. I chatted with him at D23.

He lived in Japan for three years working on Fantasy Springs rock work. Geez, wow. Really impressive. Do we know if he's involved in the demolition of the rivers of America to put up rock work for the new cars. Because that honestly ups the anticipation for me if he's doing cool rocks. Some new Zolt if you're getting some new Zolt.

If it's new Zolt replacing the rivers. New Zolt just dropped. What's he like? Oh, he was so nice. So cool. So passionate. He was talking to me more about just living in Japan. He was like, yeah, and I saw Bob Dylan and they took my phone away and he's like really cool just random that's cool oh great so the only other thing of note at the entrance is a is a vending machine because that's a thing in

you know japan and they're adding more and more of those to the park and i just wanted to mention it because all throughout the land there is these little springs of water flowing through and it adds a really nice kinetic energy to the land. At night, they light up and it sparkles among the rockwork. So there is a flow of water going into this vending machine suggesting that the water from the springs is like filling up the water bottles, which is. Oh, that's nice. That's cute. Yeah. The water features are really incredible. Yeah. From. Oh, that's nice. That's cute. Yeah, the water features are really incredible,

just from the videos alone. Really nice. And it seems obvious, you gotta add water, because it's Disney Sea, but they did it in a nice way. Oh, that's great. So before I move on to the three mini lands and just heap endless praise, I want to talk about the nightmare

of accessing Fantasy Springs and its rides. Oh, sure. This is a very American touch. Yeah. It is a Walt Disney World level of frustration to get into this thing. Well, I don't know. You guys might be, oh, good.

Yeah. Well, it sounds like a challenge to me. It's a little puzzle. A wall to scale. Yeah. Sounds like I can put my Sherlock hat back on to figure this mystery out. Yeah. To figure out how to be efficient.

So to get into Fantasy Springs, you either need a standby pass for one of the lands rides. You need a paid priority pass for one of the lands rides. You need a Fantasy Springs magic ticket. You need to be a guest at the Fantasy Springs Hotel. Or you need to have a mobile order from any of the restaurants in the lands. And all that does is get you in the land. Or you need one of the special tassels from the Duchess's hat. Yes.

Or you need to be one of the Duchess's gentleman call Yes. Or you need to be one of her tassel. You need to be one of the Duchess's gentleman callers to be able to go in. You need a handwritten letter from the Duchess. Right, I am one of her callers. I seek this gentleman's pleasures this evening. So what is a standby pass, you ask? A standby pass is like a virtual queue spot for Rise of the Resistance when it had that or Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever.

Right. So you go on the app first thing in the morning when you get in. You grab one of these. And then two hours later, you could theoretically grab another standby pass, but they are often out. So here's where this becomes super frustrating. Tokyo DisneySea, since Fantasy fantasy springs has opened has been opening one hour before their posted opening time so let's say nine o'clock so they are actually opening at eight but so many people line up because they're so passionate and there's no annual passes so

anyone with a day ticket needs to make the most of their time at the park so they will arrive at 6 30 a.m 7 a.m so i was like leaving my hotel at 6 a.m every day to get in line so i could get into the park and get one of these standby passes so these run out almost immediately especially for frozen it's been getting a little better lately but it's still a nightmare is it on all three of the main rides yes so it's it's on well it's on uh all four of them oh oh even the the tinkerbell thing yeah so the the priority access pass that's like standby or sorry yeah standby pass but paid okay um it's 2 000 yen so i think that's like 17 bucks okay okay but also runs out very fast especially for frozen right tinkerbell's busy buggies does not have this that's the only ride that has standby only got it okay okay a fantasy springs magic ticket is what you get when

you buy one of the super expensive toky Resort vacation packages. Right. Which is minimum one night. I actually did do this one night with a friend who was born and raised in Japan. It was $1,200. Whoa, wow. We stayed at the cheapest hotel, which was Toy Story Hotel. We got our Fantasy Springs Magic Ticket. But let me tell you something.

You can ride all the rides unlimited in the priority access lane in Fantasy Springs. Guaranteed access anytime you want to the land. So we did Frozen nine times, Beepin five times. You also get an unlimited drink ticket. So Tokyo Disney Resort, known for all these great sugary drinks that change out seasonally.

I was pounding these things down. So any drink you can get unlimited, except for alcoholic right right so that was great but it was a lot of money sure yeah yeah um and then the other two be a guest at fantasy springs hotel that's self-explanatory okay so that's how you get into fantasy springs a lot of people are shut out and when i would i would just go and observe people trying to get in, and they would have a little QR code, like, here's how you get into Fantasy Springs. Bro, it's 11, or it's like 2 p.m., long gone. Oh, God, oh, no.

What time, this opened in June officially? Yeah. When were you there? I was there the week after it opened. Oh, wow. Do we anticipate this getting better anytime soon, or is this what it is? I've heard it's gotten slightly better, but especially for Frozen, it's still, you need to be there at opening to grab a free standby pass. Would you see anybody freak out, or was everybody too polite to scream at somebody about coming all this way and paying all this money?

I definitely heard tourist cursing. Okay, tourists. Tourists being like America. Oh, the Duchess's ears. coming all this way and paying all this money i definitely heard tourist cursing okay tourists being like the duchess's ears trying to nap so um so one of so i was in disney sea for two of the days of my vacation and one of the days i did it like a normal guest um i couldn't even get frozen all i could get was peter pan i was oh wow even though i got there an hour and a half early i still could only get peter pan i was too late for frozen wow wow this is disheartening to me as so i know it's changed since then but that when i was there in 2019 after i'm probably i have the least tolerance for all this crap of anybody on this show so to

go to tokyo doesn't either of the parks and that it is paper fast passes my god i have time traveled to the glory days of 2002 things are normal we we we function as a society again made me so happy so i am i am disheartened to hear that they've given in to the uh the the famous disney bureaucracy yeah and uh they do have other paid uh priority access rides like beauty and the beast um but then they do have their free uh digital fast pass system which is uh oh there is still that yeah it's not on every ride it's um but it's on good ones and you can use that. And when I was there, it was a pretty busy day and it was easy to get. Did they still call it Fast Pass?

It was called, it was very weird. I assume they're going to change this name anytime. I think it was still called 40th Anniversary Access Pass or something like that. They found a way to make it a clunkier name. Yeah, it was very clunky. Yeah. Oh, go ahead oh sorry um fantasy

brings us split up into three mini lands i guess i'll just go through kind of as the order you see them when you enter sure sure so the first is um rapunzel's forest it's the smallest of the mini lands uh there is rapunzel's tower and it's like a full-size tower. Okay. It's really tall. Yeah. And Rapunzel animatronic is in it. And I'm telling you, this stops people dead in their tracks. Wow.

Wow. They stare up in awe as she sings from her tower. And not even really taking pictures or doing anything. They're just mouth agape staring at Rapunzel. She looks yeah it's like real hair real animatronic and it's not a lot of um she's not singing like the songs directly from the movie she's she's very pleasantly just kind of singing them and there's a very light melody going along with it it's it's so nice she's going about her day versus doing a performance exactly yeah that Yeah, that's a great way to put it.

So you're sort of like peeping. You're peeping. Yeah. In a good way. Peeping is a bad connotation, but this is, I think, a good way. You're just peeping on this young girl. Nicely peeping. Uh-huh.

Pleasantly, innocently peeping. A pleasant peep. Just a nice little peep. Then there's the Snuggly duckling restaurant from tangled right and this is you know you think about things where disney has recreated faithfully this looks straight out of the cartoon yeah they just made it inside and out there's no compromises uh they changed it up a little to where it's it's post movie story so inside rapunzel has made these fun like murals

and they're very beautiful but everything from the movie is in there the stage with the piano and the fireplace and everything and what food do they sell there um the worst hamburgers i've ever had in my life oh no oh i just landed on a google image right as you said that this looks horrible it's like there's like potato salad or something on. Yes, there's some kind of slaw and then a gigantic thick slice of bologna. It's awful. There's bologna? Yeah, on top of the hamburger. Whoa, can we ask Jason?

Jason, what do you think? Bologna and potato salad, you hooked my attention. Are you booking a flight right now? Yeah. Are you booking a flight? Yeah I'm booking a flight And I'm booking the Toy Story hotel To get that package And you're making a date with the Duchess It seems like too

I am, yeah Yeah, just looking at the pictures of Snuggly Duggly Looks amazing Yeah, really nice And on this burger also An alarmingly soft and alarmingly yellow burger. Yeah, this bun. What is up with this bun?

A bun, sorry, yeah. This is truly nauseating. Is this the chicken sandwich am I looking at? Yeah, that's chicken. Yeah, I see the chicken or the shrimp. Oh, here we go, here we go. Oh, yeah. I mean, that looks terrible.

Well, show this guy. Jason, what do you think? Oh. What was that noise? I couldn't tell you if it was good or bad. Hamburger. Well, show this guy. Jason, what do you think? Oh. What was that noise? I couldn't tell you if it was good or bad. That's like when the ghost host comes back during the Haunted Mansion. Oh.

Jason. Oh, the French champagne. Oh, baloney on the burger. It was that startling. That's what it was. Yeah. It's not the best, but this person could have made this look worse. Like this,

they know what they were doing. This, it might, this looks so bad in the posed photo. I mean, that's, it doesn't look good. I'm just saying that this,

this looks, I think this is Walt Disney World. I think Worst Burger of My Life was in Discovery Land in, in Paris. So it's interesting that Disney is, has another entry in the Wor burger in the world game. You can do worst Disney burger Final Four someday. Oh, yeah.

That's pretty good. There are a lot to choose from. Even the not actively horrible, just the bland, unpleasant ones in our Tomorrowland are in the running. Has anyone had a good hamburger in the parks? I'm trying to think. That's a good listener question. Anywhere you can leave comments, let us know. Because I'm sure there are. I don't think you can count

Guy Fieri's making something over at the observatory. That doesn't count. This is an in-park burger. Well, Guy, your job is to be in Disneyland five days of the week? I mean, it depends. Four? Yeah, a couple.

A lot of days. But have you ever had a good hamburger in Disneyland proper or Disney California Adventure proper? No, they used to have a good one at the Grand Californian in the Craftsman's Grill. I believe that. Used to? Yeah, they don't have it anymore. It had pulled pork on it. That thing was great.

But yeah, that's long gone. But no, I don't believe I've ever had a good burger now god that's interesting is it truly a like barren genre in all of like especially like magic kingdom type park jason what do you think yeah i can't remember i my growing up my parents dreaded kind of like the uh quick service food at Disney World. Wait, but he loves that Sunny Eclipse. Well, that's got a toppings bar. Is the toppings bar still there? I'm not sure I heard that, Jason.

I think the toppings bar came back. Oh, okay. Finally. It took a while. I don't know. We're going to have to double check on that. Yeah. We don't want to spread misinformation on YouTube.

But do you almost put the toppings in another category than from the bird? That just like a separately we have a toppings but you could make it you are using the toppings to hide the bird okay okay so you're not you're not you're not so uh cosmic ray poisoned that you think the burger is good i think what's happening is that every time you add another piece of that iceberg lettuce you're thinking ka-ching kaching, I'm saving money or I'm getting a value here, a deal. Let's bring the nip-lop bags. And the garbage bag, you know, have snacks for back at the room. You've got a big garbage bag in your pants.

A garbage bag full of free lettuce. Free lettuce and wet, you know, caramelized onions. Jason checks a bag on his plane full of lettuce. Oh, God, wait, I found a possibilities. I don't know if you can speak to any of these guys. I haven't had any of these. Sci-fi dine-in at Disney's Hollywood Studios or Space 2020.

Oh, wow. No, those are more, that's a sit-down situation. Table service, yeah. I think it's got to count. We said burger. Yeah, it counts. Sci-fi dine-in, I think, hired the chef from the One Burger restaurant at Disney Springs.

Oh. Deluxe. A while back. Yeah, Deluxe. Oh, okay. Yeah, those are good. I think he moved over to Sci-Fi Dine-In. Yeah, okay. After that restaurant.

There's a Kobe beef at Yak and Yeti, but that feels like that's a- It's third party, though. That could be good. Third party restaurant. Right. Yeah, that's a landry. No, I'm sure it is good. It's almost like, well, I guess by my previous definition, it counts, but it's third party though that could be good third party right yeah that's a little i'm sure it is good it's almost like well i guess by my previous definition it counts but it's like well yeah of course that's gonna be right better than the tomorrow it's probably like 28 dollars

i would imagine yeah well maybe that's what you put a price on is there can you get a good burger at a disney park for under 15 15 yeah yeah all right then the answer is probably no answer is probably no all right continue okay so moving on to Peter Pan's Neverland. Oh, wait. What about Rapunzel Ride? Oh, God. No, no, no. That's all right.

Sorry. Rapunzel's Lantern Festival. Yeah. It's a boat ride that goes outside. It's one of the few Tokyo Disneyland, Tokyo Disney Sea rides that actually goes outside. And so I've seen videos now of it getting dumped on with rain. And, you know, you think like, okay, Splash Mountain's outside, Big Thunder's outside, but those move fast. This is a very slow moving boat ride. So I'm wondering how that's

going to go long term. But anyway, this you start off in a boat builder's hut. So you see boats in various stages of being assembled. And then the lanterns being assembled for the lantern festival. It's very pleasant and nice. You start off, you're gently floating past Rapunzel's tower. She's singing in it. It's so nice.

And then you see Flynn and the horse, which I can't remember his name. Maximus. Maximus. Thank you. They're kind of peeking behind a rock and looking at her and looking kind of worried. And it's a very cool start to the ride. Then you float through.

Rapunzel's free from the tower. Animatronic Rapunzel swinging around a tree. And Flynn is looking all smug. Looks great. And then the next scene is Rapunzel's glowing hair, which looks fantastic. They just, they nailed this. And then you go into one of the best scenes

in the entire land. It's the actual lantern festival. You're circling around the boat. It's kind of like the kiss the girl scene in the Little Mermaid ride. Oh, sure. All the lanterns are everywhere. They're in your entire peripheral vision.

It's so nice. It seems like a giant room, or at least it appears as such. Yeah, it's really big. And then you go past a couple of the people from the Snuggly Duckling, and then the ride just ends. It just abruptly ends.

No Mother Gothel, no explanation. It's just a couple of paintings kind of explaining the rest of the story. So they don't feel the need to like fully close out the full Rapunzel tale. Interesting. So ride is a little short, but what is there is pretty good. It seems, dare I say, that parts of this ride look a little bit romantic. Yes. Would that be accurate?

So that lantern room feels very just calming. I wanted to smooch someone very badly on this ride. Wow. You didn't just start asking around in the boat? The language barrier. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be weird. What is your word for smooch?

Do you think most romantic Disney ride? Would you say that? Or do you have a different Disney ride would you say that or do you have a different one I mean that may be another discussion but do you consider the Bayou part of Pirates of the Caribbean romantic Jason does I think okay so

it's in competition with that I would say okay like the Disneyland or the Disneyland version right yeah I'm saying i would throw mexico mexico into the discussion because you don't have it's this obviously blue bayou opening of pirates is a superior area but there's a similar dim vibe and those joe rody paintings are very nice yeah yeah and then but and also there's no like uh creeps there's no creeps on a porch which again I think might add to Jason's affection for it

Jason wants creeps he's just at his house he's just trying to sit on the porch he's looking at Junebugs he's not looking at you he's concerned about how's the frog ecosystem around these parts well last year

when we talked about the grave, where I was feeling like the haunted mansion tipping you backwards was somewhat romantic. Oh, I do like that. Yeah. Because that's the only ride that tips you like, when you're like, oh. Yeah, I always want to stop there

and just take a little break, you know? Yeah, because you take a nap. Yeah, rest my eyes for a little bit. Yeah, sometimes you do stop there. Yeah. Yeah. That's real nice. All right, well, now I really want to go on this Tangle Ride

to see how it stacks up. But of course i now now i really want to go on this tangle right to see yeah how it stacks up but of course if you're opening up to all rides uh most romantic moment is optimus prime dude even if it's not a romantic love you feel for him with love yeah it is love yes love i don't know yeah love optimus love i don't i don't think that's been said fully but that's i think that's subtext of what you're feeling too. He's proud, and you wouldn't be so proud if he didn't love you. Do you think Optimus Prime in the ride has kissable lips?

I need to stare at you as you ask this question. Well, I want to answer it correctly. I don't want to say something flippantly. And then he hears this, and then he's like, what, I don't have kissable? I love you. His lips really get right in your face. They really do.

Yeah. I think that here's the thing, and I don't want to offend him. Obviously, they're not human lips, so they're going to be metallic. And I assume, though, here's the good thing, is that especially because he's just been fighting, they're very warm because the machine has been heated up. So at least when you kiss the metal, it's warm. Hot iron. Hot iron. Would you rather kiss that than cold iron?

I think maybe. Unless it's scalding. Unless his lips are scalding. Yeah, it was a big fight. It was the biggest fight of the galaxy. But that would indicate, though, that he was created in a bad way that he would overheat. I think he has just the right amount of heat.

It doesn't seem like he's got steam coming out of his ears or anything so i think it's a i think it's a nice 80 degree sort of heat 75 warm enough to let him know he's alive right so that would be a nice aspect but obviously i'm a human being i like uh kissing organic lips, skin lips. My preference is skin lips, not metal lips. But I would- Mike also being careful to dance around the distinct possibility that he kisses all of his toys at night. Well, I don't have any metal.

Well, I have a couple of metal maybe toys, but most of them are plastic. The movie accurate movie Ninja Turtle toys. I mean, they are so beautiful that. We're getting closer to skin lips with those. Yeah, yeah. Honestly, and I'm not just saying this because we were involved with the official entity. If I had to kiss a toy, those straight sharks are up there.

Oh, because of their mouth? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of that real feel. Yeah, yeah. Real feel and the mouth is so big, even on a six-inch toy. It's almost the size of a human mouth. That's what I'm saying. Now, I'd watch out for those teeth, obviously, but I think I could stay fully on the outside.

Yes, I would just. You would get a lot of teeth when you kissed. Yeah, but I think there's a way to do it without getting any teeth. If I'm not, because I'm not going to, if if the requirement is kiss i'm not giving any tongue to ripster i just tell still listening i just bought a toy from the ninja turtle line uh it's called belly bomb and he's got his big mouth in his stomach and he's got so many teeth and he's got a tongue though as well and it's like he would be good to kiss, but it would be scary. I just showed Jason a picture.

Oh, he's so scary. Oh, yeah. But this is maybe the greatest toy I have ever gotten. They did a great job on that. It's a beautiful toy. Jason and I saw it already. And I've also put his eyeball. You can move his eyeball.

He does look like he's a little bit aroused in this photo. Yeah, a little bit, yeah. He does. Yeah, yeah. There's a part of the room where a character starts getting a blowjob and his eyes kind of roll back. It's very much like Mike in the room. I spent a lot of time last night. I made 20 minutes taking different photos of him to see which different moods I could put him in with the eyeball.

This was before this conversation? You were taking last night? Before this even came up, you were taking 20 minutes worth of photos. I can time state- A belly bomb. 9.30 PM. I sent these to multiple people I know, too, some of these photos. For what was an example of what you would say about belly bomb and your angle?

Okay, so this is a different photo i took of him where he looks scared oh yeah that's a good what's in his hand he it's his eye well he's got a gun in one but he has eyeballs on his hands like the pan's labyrinth character i don't want to kiss that uh you would kiss his little eyeball hands make me kiss your hand if he touched your face his squishy eyeball would go up against it yeah i mean that'd be interesting if it wasn't done with any sexual intention yeah i wouldn't mind just feeling it, but that's just got to be a friendly path, not seductive. I'm looking at my serious toy collector group text chain. That's a kind of a joke.

That's a jokey title. It's, we don't, you know. I said, I wrote, having the eye move gives you so many options. And then I sent a couple of photos, sent it to my friend luke and he just wrote very expressive do you think this is expressive very expressive very expressive he's also belly bum kind of phallic let's be honest he's skin colored his one eyeball is kind of on the end of a penis sort of shape extremely um but it is maybe the greatest toy I ever have. I also messaged the sculptor of said toy last night

to tell him what a great job he did. And P.S., any tips if I were to kiss him? He didn't offer that up. He ignored that part of the question. What's the next area, guy? I was going to say, I also want to move on but i would love if by the end of the episode jason or optional guy if you want to name a toy that you would like to kiss that is all but everybody's time yeah like the pressure on our gas i know i know that's

why i'm saying optional and he's the one taking us through the land so through the port so that's just i i would love if at the very end i could throw to you and you could say a toy. You want to kiss? Okay. I already have my answer. So whenever, we'll cover it at the end, but for now we'll get back on track.

Okay. Peter Pan's Neverland. They really did a great job with this land. One side, you see Skull Rock and Captain Hook's ship sitting in a little harbor. It looks great. It's that thing Disney does really well where it's like a little fantastical but also based in reality. Sure, sure.

The transitioning to a real 3D environment. Yeah, they really blended that well. You can go in Skull Rock and get pictures inside the skull and then there's a little. That's cool. Pirate Ship and Skull Rock disappeared from Disneyland forever ago, and that's the thing my mom pines for. She loved it there. Yeah.

So it's cool they found, you know, it came back in Paris, and now to have, like, a committed... Yeah, Paris is so good. Wow. Yeah, I am. Yeah, and then there's a little cavern with, like, a little treasure chest and waterfall,

and on Captain Hook's ship, there's a little photo op with his hook so you can put your hand in there. It's really fun. And then on the other side is the actual mountains from, or I guess volcanoes, from the movie that they fly around with a nice, pretty fake cloud around them. The volcanoes puff out smoke at night again. Looks really good. You have more volcanoes in this park, which is interesting.

You don't think they clash? It's like a little other range. It sounds cool. Yeah, you can't really see them both at the same time. I mean, I guess I wish you could. That'd be kind of cool. But this was one of those things, too, visiting Tokyo Disney Land and Sea every year, just watching the progress over the last six years.

And that was one of the things you could actually see was those volcanoes. And I remember when the scaffolding came down like five years ago. Oh, cool. I was like, oh, that's going to be so sick. Yeah, yeah. So the main ride here is Peter Pan's Neverland Adventure. I'm going to say something so controversial in this room that I debated my entire drive up here. Oh, my God.

Whoa, whoa. It's coming out. This is a Transformers slash Amazing Spider-man style ride right yeah i think it is the best one of those kind of rides it's better than wow okay wow crazy wow it is just so fun and nice and you're you're flying along with peter and the gang and battling pirates on their ship and some dude falls in the water and he's doing all the poses from the movie and then he takes you and you fly above London, above the clouds and lands on the clock.

It is just so pleasant. It's mixed with a ton of really well done physical sets and little things happen in the physical sets that sync up with the movies. It's like a really nice mixed media kind of thing. Wow and then 3d right 3d yeah uh the queue you go past their tree that they live in i guess this tree house i'm not really super familiar with peter pan yeah um i try not to be uh oh this is another thing they they renamed the lost boys to the Lost Kids. I caught that, yeah. Are there female characters there, or is that just a...

I think there always have been. I'm actually not 100% sure. I don't know either. I took it as the guests were members of the Lost Kids, so they wanted to include everyone. Yeah, that makes sense. That's a good interpretation. That's great. Yeah, the queue cool. That's a good interpretation.

That's great. But yeah, the queue, so you're in this kind of forest and you see their tree and then you go into their clubhouse and it looks very hand-built. So it's like uneven planks of wood and stuff from sunken ships and stuff. It's so nice.

And the boat that you ride in on the ride also looks very handmade. Oh, yeah. You know what? I hadn't seen the vehicle until this morning. Right. Because I was curious about it. Because it's not trackless.

It's more like the rides you're comparing it to. Which gives it that tighter control. Probably a little more thrilling. Yeah. And it has the high walls so you can't really see outside of the ship so you sort of directs your vision and closes it all in interesting yeah yeah did you feel like there was any difference like did you feel like it could do something different than the transformer spider-man ride vehicle or was it pretty much i think it was

pretty similar yeah it's funny that they've gotten into this genre that they've landed after all these and all these trackless rides now they have landed at what universal was doing 25 years ago yeah yeah can i go can i go back real quick what was the boat or the tangled boat was it just a was it wi-fi control boat do you know like does it turn you or is it just sort of a normal it's a normal boat in a trough okay very pleasantly floating you through yeah right okay just another one of those like high capacity things just pump 2 000 people an hour through there yeah i love that they're into boats right now i love that we're getting a lot of boats going on yes yeah yeah no reason to ignore the boat genre yeah um so just something else about this peter pan ride just a

weird anomaly when i wrote it uh i was mentioning the the standby pass thing so there's no regular lines on these rides you need a standby pass or you need the access pass so it leads to the situation where they have stopped uh giving out the standby passes and their everything is sold out and so i went to this my my return time was like three 30 in the afternoon and I'm going through the queue and there's like nobody in the queue with me. Okay. And then I'm getting on the ride and it's just me. And I have an entire boat to myself. I have a picture of this on Twitter that I posted back when I went, I I'm, I'm completely alone because they were still adjusting when they're going to distribute more standby passes because you really have to be on the app like refreshing all day and i've heard people really do that they just they're as they're walking around everything they're just pulling down to refresh all day sounds good i i know some people like yeah we're in the room with a person like that so yeah that was that was uh just an interesting thing that happened to me on there. Can I bring up this discussion of your assertion it's better than Spider-Man or Transformers? I think I buy it because I buy that Disney using that technology today would be really strong.

I feel like what you're up against in this room with that argument is Jason's undying love of Spider-Man, Mike's undying love of the kissable hot metal lips of Optimus Prime, and my undying hatred of Peter Pan as a genre and character. So all three of us are furious. I know, that's why this was so hard. But logically, I hear, like it makes total sense to me. Does it get you excited for, if this Avengers Infinity Defense is going to be in this genre?

Do you think that that ends up in the discussion of best one of these attractions? I'm not a Marvel fan at all. I've never seen any of these movies. Wow. Hey, all right. I'm sure it will be totally fine. And people who enjoy that sort of thing will love it. Yeah, yeah.

You might be a little lost. There's the emotional pull. Does the Peter Pan ride fuck you up like Transformers? Oh, it's like a loving mother cradling you. I like it for Pan, but for that Marvel ride, I want to get fucked up. I want to get jostled like hardcore. Oh, yeah.

I don't think they will. I don't think that's what they do. I don't think that's even an edgier, more adult Disney ride. I just don't think that's their deal. Yeah. Well, I mean, Matterhorn does, but that's kind of accidental. Yeah. Well, unless they want to push massages at the spa in Grand California,

and they can give out cards yeah really fuck you that's a good experience you've ever done a massage yeah at the Grand California no my girlfriend has okay yeah that's something we should review one of these days should be is it called it starts with a T 10 yeah right oh 10 okay yeah we've never reviewed this spot

I think I was gonna guess the name of a Mexican restaurant in my area it's not that we could each get a different service like one of us gets like a facial one of us gets a massage and then one of us gets i don't know pedicure or something sure okay all right it'll be like 1500 total yeah we sure could each yeah each 1500 guy let me ask um this uh peter pan ride since there's so much footage how did you feel about the cg like footage compared to like because this is a 2d traditional animated uh film you know yeah i i think they did a really good job especially with the faces um it's it's just very colorful but then they also gave it kind of a everything kind of a tech a nice little texture that almost makes it look kind of papery um i actually i watched a panel about this at d23

and they were talking about it and they showed all the 3d models and they would like rotate them and stuff does it look like um is it what was the z models and they would like rotate them and stuff. Does it look like, is it, what was the Zelda that's like, is Wind Waker the one that has paper? Cell shaded, yeah. Yeah. Wind Waker, yeah.

Does it almost look like that or? Not as cartoony as that. Yeah. It's a little more muted but it looks great in my opinion. Okay. Yeah. And I've heard a lot of people say too this was like the kind of hidden gem

of Fantasy Springs. Right. So, yeah, really enjoyed that one. Next to the Peter Pan ride is Lookout Cookout. This is just a quick service restaurant that also follows the same theme that looks like it's built by the Lost Kids.

Right. The handmade thing. Just really, really fun inside. I didn't eat here because all they had was baskets of fried fried uh shrimp and chicken and stuff um sounds better than a burger though maybe yeah um i did get twice i got the drink that they have there because it was i think it's called peter pan's fizzy drink and it it's the same color as peter pan it's green and uh you drop a little thing in it and it just starts fizzing all over

the place and it's delicious which is much needed because the next thing i'm about to talk about in the peter pan land is the popcorn cart oh okay okay now the flavor of this popcorn cart if you're not aware uh are all around the Tokyo Disney Resort parks. They have flavored popcorn. Each one has a different flavor. Some of which are excellent. Fantastic. Yeah, really good snacks.

I dream of the honey popcorn. Yeah, I know. Oh, did I? Wait, is it by Winnie the Pooh? Yeah, and the area smells like honey. The flavor here is roast beef. What? I heard about this.

Yeah. So I'm trying not to be hyperbolic here. This is one of the worst things I've ever put in my mouth. It tastes like room temperature marinade that's been left open overnight. And then after you chew and swallow, it leaves the worst, awful, mucky aftertaste I've ever experienced in my life. Oh, my gosh. It's revolting.

And it's not like, oh, blue milk and green milk is so bad. Ha ha, let's take a sip and then grimace at it. It is like truly awful. Is the idea also that like i don't know because you hear roast beef and you kind of think of arby's but are they but then i read a description that's like aromas of roasted meat and gravy they're almost going for more of that like old english but it seems like it accomplishes neither it's neither uh english comfort food or arby's yeah and you know when you post almost anything on twitter you'll get like one or two people in like fuck you you know but this one

it's like universally people agreeing with me yeah really oh my god that's a nightmare i've actually felt really bad because it it is it's not polite to waste food in japan and my friend who i was with born and raised in that country japanese through and through i was just like i i'm so sorry i can't eat any more of this and i just saw his face he also hated it and he he forced himself to eat the entire thing oh no i felt so bad because now that you weren't sharing it he he had to have more. You were splitting it. Exactly. Over the course of six pained hours. Ooh, brutal. Yeah. All right, Mike, don't go there and order this thing.

Unless you want to force feeding, because I know it's what you'll do. Or I will, in shame, go into a bathroom stall and shove it in my pants or in a different bag and then throw the bag away. There'll be some antics for me trying to get rid of it. Bring it back to America and then you get held up at the airport. What is this? It's a souvenir for bringing popcorn back to my family I love at home.

It's like that scene in Dumb and Dumber with what's his name? Harland Williams with the P. They taste it at customs, and then they're just so disgusted, they're like, just get out of here. That reminds, I have, for the last, I guess, eight or 10 months,

I've gotten this Tokyo Treat mail-order box, so every month you get a new box of snacks from japan and 90 of the time it's so fun it's so great and there's so many interesting snacks where it's like oh we don't make like chips or candy like this we don't have this flavor profile in america every now and then there is one or two snacks we're like oh i don't i can't do this yeah it's uh sometimes they're they're insane over there i remember one time this happened in within like an hour of each other it was with some friends and and um my my friend puts his money in the vending machine and he's thinking he's like i just really need coffee right now

just sees something that looks like coffee, hits the button, cracks it open, takes a swig. It's corn chowder. It's corn chowder with actual corn. And then me, like not even an hour later, oh, I'm so thirsty, it's hot. Okay, water, this looks good. Drink it, take a swig.

Scream in horror. It's salty seaweed water. Oh my God. Really? just nothing i ever want to consume especially on a hot day yeah so so if you knew what you were getting maybe not that you're not going to order seaweed water but if i knew i was getting corn chowder then i do but that disconnect from coffee to that is so so reviled by that switch up. So the other ride in Peter Pan's Neverland, this is a pretty big mini land in the land, obviously.

So it's Fairy Tinkerbell's Busy Buggies. Yes. This name, I've complained of Fairy Tinkerbell. Why do they do this? I don't know. Why do they explain it? I like this clunky name. Yeah. I will say I like saying it a lot versus other clunky names.

Well, it'd be a good warm-up for us to do before we start talking for two hours. We do it faster, like, very Tinkerbells, busy buggies. Very Tinkerbells, busy buggies. Yeah, and then you really get your enunciation down perfectly. So, yeah, this is just a cute little kid's ride. You know, nothing more. What does it do? It's a dark ride, but it's a cute little kids ride. You know, nothing more. I, I, does it do?

It's a, it's a dark ride, but it's outside. Oh yeah. Um, so a cute thing about it is the cast members working this ride have little fairy wings on the back of their outfits. That's cute.

Yeah. Um, the, the aesthetic really is like a, um, a little more detailed, uh, bugs land. So, you know, it's, it's the thing Disney loves to do where it's like, like a little more detailed Bugs Land.

So it's the thing Disney loves to do where it's like, you're small now. Okay. There's big blades of grass and a big thimble. Rides like that. So the ride starts out, and I don't want to be crude here, but I don't know any other way to say this.

They show you a video of Tinkerbell explaining the story. They gave her an absolute dump truck ass. Okay? I loved her. Yeah. She is caked up. Oh, okay. Yeah.

And I was saving this because they also did it in the Peter Pan ride because she's also in there, obviously. Now, can I ask this? Did you go back to the original film and just double check that this wasn't the original anime, the proportions from the original? You know, I didn't compare them side by side, but I feel like I see enough Tinkerbell gifs and that sort to where I don't remember her being that thick. Now, let me ask you this. Are you the first one to bring this? Because recently, you know, I mean, there's obviously from the film, in Incredibles, there's a discussion of Mrs. Incredible.

Of course. And then there's the character in the park and stuff. But are you maybe the one breaking this news to America in the States? Have you seen the discourse online? I've brought this up to other friends, and I've showed them pictures, and everyone agrees so far. So, you know know take a look at the pictures sure it's in my review that i posted on touring plans if you want to look that up sure sure i didn't mention a dump truck ass on touring plans because we're this is podcast the ride though yeah this is the place to do it it is

where we we tend to fuse theme park conversation and oddly sexually charged for people who claimed to be g-rated in every episode banned kids sex energy this podcast sadly i'm a i'm the only banned kid of the three of us but that is what it is so yeah you you go through this ride where it's just various environments like a snow thing and it's the idea is your Tinkerbell's friends delivering packages to her various friends in the thing. It ends with a mouse named Cheese. Which is a- Is it a new character?

It's a new character that, I don't know if they're trying to catch him on as like a new thing, but there's no merchandise or anything. And I don't really see many people talking. So him on as like a new thing, but there's no merchandise or anything. And I don't really see many people talking. So I think it's just a thing. Okay. Okay.

Mouse named Cheese. Okay. So new characters are Duchess and Cheese. Yeah. And Cheese is cute enough. Yeah. And, you know, it's a big mouse and he moves around and he blinks and you're like, okay, Cheese. Okay.

Get off the ride. Probably don't need to do this ever again. Would you like a plush of Cheese? Is cuter than like gus from cinderella no and he's and he's he's nowhere he's not in the same ballpark as sean do i was about to say yeah so sean do did you go into bed though it's closed for refurbishment until september i think it's been closed since march or february so this is a long refurbishment oh yeah my friend my friend raja is there early in the year, and that was one of my first questions,

and he said, nope, refurbished. Long refurbished. Damn. Yeah. So that- Not to backtrack us, I'm looking at photos of Tinkerbell in all guises, and I think maybe Tinkerbell is always quietly

ahead of Dump Truck Guys. Sure. I think it's not, what you're saying is not, just if you do the general image, it might also be an effect of what she is wearing, which there is,

it's sort of like, almost like it's leaves a little bit, which fan out, that might be providing that effect. I don't know. I don't know. If you're looking at it when I'm looking at it,

it seems a little consistent throughout all of the iterations but maybe it's especially played out well it's also it was in 3D well this one wasn't in 3D it's a 3D model on a screen it's a screen right before the ride leaves

is what it looks like well we're going to have to investigate this more I guess we'll have to bring in experts or something. All of a sudden, I'm feeling like the Peter Pan franchise isn't as bad as I've been saying. Oh, no. Oh, no. I've not been giving this franchise enough credit. I'm up to Neverland.

I hope your listeners don't get too horny listening to us talk about asses and kissing. There's no more men that arouse the audience than these men here. That is absolutely the theater of the mind. Belly bomb kissing men

who play with their toys. This episode just had this one. They were talking about belly bomb. That was before they even got to the dump truck. This is, yeah, this is basically an erotic podcast at this point with all that belly bomb talk. Wait a day for erotic.

All right. Okay, we're done with Peter Pan's Neverland on onto Frozen Kingdom. Oh, it's called Frozen Kingdom. Yes. Okay. This is- Isn't that what Jurassic Park was called?

No, Frozen Empire is Ghostbusters. No, Frozen Empire is Ghostbusters. And Fallen Kingdom is Jurassic Park. Combining two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Frozen Empire. Frozen Empire.

Fallen Kingdom. When's that ride coming? Yeah. I want to go to the Frozen Empire. There's a house. House of Tor Knights. Oh, really? In Florida. Oh, here ride coming? I want to go to the Frozen Empire. There's a house. A house at Horror Nights. Oh, really? In Florida. Here? Yeah, both. Both, okay. Do you think they'll do a house

because if they're working with Reitman, are they going to do a house of the horrors of being trapped in Studio 8H and you've got your first ever live broadcast and it has to go on at 1130, not because it's ready? Well, the 10 Nightmares of Jimmy Fallon is successful at Rockefeller Center.

Jimmy Fallon maze at Rockefeller Center. Yeah, we got a Jimmy Fallon, in Rockefeller Center, it's called Jimmy Fallon's to Nightmares. To Nightmares, yes. You saw this guy? No. There's a legit horror night's maze in Rockefeller Center that's themed to Jimmy Fallon's nightmares.

Wow, okay. Sounds great. Oh, nightmares. Wow, okay. Sounds great. Oh, God. Oh, no. I gotta talk about apes with Paris Hilton. Oh, God. I woke up and it's still happening. Oh, no. Not cool, dude. Oh, I gotta do this interview with this puppet band called

The Weirdos. Chris Martin and Coldplay have a puppet band and the audience is going to be so befuddled. Oh, no. Even I can't convince the audience that this is so good. I texted my girlfriend after you mentioned the weirdos, because she's into that kind of music, and I'm like, did you know about this?

And she was just like, okay. That's what our audience said, too. That's a lot of the responses. I tried to explain this to my significant other, and they wrote back, okay. audience that's a lot of the responses when it's like i tried to explain this to my significant other and they wrote back okay yeah um okay frozen frozen kingdom so it's very pretty it's uh it's a port with a little with some boats in the water and a bridge leading over into the little town the arendelle castle it's all all very pretty. The restaurant inside the castle

is Royal Banquet of Arendelle. It looks like inside the castle like they're preparing for the coronation. They have some of the best fake food and fake desserts and fake cheese that I've ever seen. Wow. Like kind of off in the corner

with a bunch of plates because I think they mentioned like 10,000 dinner plates. They have all the stacks of plates too. It looks awesome. Can I just say, you brought up a Final Four idea. Audience, what do you think of the possibility of the fake food Final Four? That's a good idea, yeah.

This one's occurred to me, it has that alliteration that I like. I just haven't had like a ton of ideas of what those are, but if you have suggestions, if you think that's a good idea because this it sounds like this is out of the Bible uh the queue of Runaway Railway out here has some pretty good fake treats yeah yeah and they are selling the power the lime whatever power limes but there are other things there's like Darkwing Duck like what I don't even know what they're called, but they're like peanut butter.

They're fake Darkwing Duck peanut butter cups that I want for real that are so enticing to me package-wise and the way they look. And the popcorn kernels look like Mickey Mouse inside the popcorn machine in that cube. Yeah. So that's definitely on the list.

Some of those things are on the list. Yeah. Do you like the idea or do you have suggestions that might help us suss out not to give you too many assignments right yeah mainly think about what toys you want to kiss but anyway right that's important but yeah this restaurant instantly became probably my favorite food in the entire entire park besides casbah food court i think that's

still my favorite okay i got this this seafood stew pot pie thing. Yeah. That was delicious. Tokyo Disney does seafood so well. When you think of seafood at Disneyland and Disney World, it's just kind of a nightmare. Yes. Especially quick service. But yeah, this was really good.

That's saying something because I fondly recall a lot of my meals from Disney Sea, which is pretty rare for even a great theme park. Yeah, a lot of good food. That's exciting. Wow. So now we get to Anna and Elsa's Frozen Journey, which is the marquee ride. My note right here just says, holy shit. Wow. So this ride is one of those rides where they nailed it in every way.

It's genre defining it's something that everything will be compared against in the future that they do it's it's every aspect of imagineering flexing as hard as they can wow impeccable lighting perfect use of sound effects beautiful scenery the scope and scale of these scenes are massive it's like some of these scenes it's like you're in a costco and it's just fully themed wow but then there's also still little intimate moments where there's little story beats and stuff um the queue is very detailed and there's little moments where it's like oh there's a i think i think it's like olaf walking on the roof of the the green uh the greenhouse where you see his little footsteps a little interactive scene it's

a different vibe than the queue and because this is like theoretically you could put this in the same attraction umbrella as the as frozen ever after sure in epcot but it seems like it's you know it shares elements with it but it's like leaps and bounds exactly yeah just uh turned up to 50 but q is a different vibe like i i feel like i saw it's like leaps and bounds. Exactly. Yeah. Just turned up to 50. But Q is a different vibe. Like I feel like I saw, it's like a lot, there's a lot of paintings. It's very like stately. Yeah.

It's really nice and beautiful lighting fixtures and things on shelves. And yeah. So yeah, the ride itself, it starts off with the, you go by the trolls and they're kind of telling, they're starting off the story. They shoot a little magic lightning bolt thing that shows a vision of the kids. And then you go into another room and it's Anna knocking on the door and it's the start of, do you want to build a snowman scene?

The door spins around and it's Elsa looking all sad. And then boom, the entire room becomes frozen from her powers and the door freezes shuts just that door turntable looks so cool yeah that in and of itself yeah it looks great and again with the scale and the the perfect use of the projection mapping on on everything um we also let's say this the animatronics are not what we are the little glow being little little illumineers yeah the strange little light up faces we know in epcot yeah so this is exciting the best animatronics you've ever seen wow so so this is actually where it does oddly keep something from

the epcot ride where you're you're on a boat in this ride a normal normal boat in a trough, but then you stop and then you feel yourself kind of turning to the side and then you go backwards through another scene. So that was one thing I wanted to bring up about this. This is not like a leisurely boat ride. It's not a thrill ride either, but you are perfectly synced to what is happening around you.

The movement is very deliberate. Yeah. So you're going by Anna singing in the portrait gallery in the movie, but then you enter another room and it's Elsa getting ready for the coronation and then they're singing to each other in the opposite rooms.

And then again, it changes course and then you go through the love is an open door scene. So it's kind of jumping around and scenes kind of fast. Yeah. So hard to do. Cause boat rides are, you forgive a lot of like, well,

if I kind of sync up to what's happening, that's great. But this is precise while not being like specifically controlled in the Shanghai pirates way. So then in the next scene, this is one of the coolest ones. And this is kind of the one everybody's taking pictures and video of on social media. But so it's after love is an open door.

Anna is asking Elsa for permission to get married. Elsa is pissed. And she shoots her angry ice powers. And it turns this. They're in like a little village. And it turns this scene into big ice spikes come out of the ground and these fount these fountains that are projection map water on freeze and they turn sideways and all of a sudden they're frozen and the whole area is freezing all over the place with the

projection effects all the characters are terrified now they go from looking normal to being totally terrified by this ice witch that is freezing everything which how many animatronics can like change personality yeah it is it's right it's really impressive those spikes that is an aggro moment that reads and you're saying sound effects like this this this moment really jumps out even just in a just an audience shot video yeah it's spectacular yeah really really crazy scene um so then the next scene is elsa going up the hill to you know start her new life in her ice palace and this is when the lighting effects really come into play because with each verse of as um as as the song builds up the a sweeping light effect changes the sky and then you see the ice palace forming in the,

in the background. And then Elsa builds the ice bridge in the next scene. And that's actually similar to Epcot. Yeah. But then you actually go into the ice palace and it's, it's forming all around you with the projection effects, but it looks blank when you go into it. Yeah.

And then you're backing out cold. Doesn't bother me anyway. Perfectly synced. Door's slam shut. It's sick. Well, that ceiling just like, like whatever ride through I was watching, somebody just like,

let me just tilt up here. And you're in a cathedral. It's insane. Yeah, it looks crazy. So yeah. And then Elsa accidentally zaps Anna with the ice. And that's a crazy one too, because again, animatronic, Anna standing there. And then all of a sudden zapped with the ice and you see her body illuminate with the ice and then be frozen in place.

So then you go through the next scene and it's like they're just getting through the story. It's like, okay, now the dude is going to come through the sword and try to kill Elsa. And it's showing you, uh, projected screens on like, uh, sails of ships that are wrecked in the ice. Right.

So then you get to Anna and Elsa standing there. Elsa is frozen in place doing her frozen pose. And, and, but then it's like the true love cures the thing so you see anna thaw out and kind of go into place and drop down to the ground and again it's just one of those things like how do animatronics look this good yeah how do they get the motion to look this good so these are the best animatronics in anything currently yeah the just the number like there's

individual animatronics were unbelievable but the fact that this is like so many yeah everyone was saying beauty and the beast in tokyo disneyland was the best but do you even see did you go on that this time yeah did these look like better than the beauty and the beast are similar uh so on beauty and the beast the the animatronics don't talk a lot yeah and so And so on here, on Frozen, you really get to see the facial animations as well as the body movements. I just think besides the grand finale of the Beauty and the Beast ride where the beast change and backs into the prince, which is like, I don't think they'll ever top that. Yeah. In terms of effects. Just from the video.

Like that is jaw dropping. But pound for pound, there's so many just cool little animatronic moments on this ride, and there's so many of them. I wonder if learning all this changing expression stuff will be a good sign for the Walt Disney robot coming next year.

Yeah. Because people are very worried that he won't be, he'll look so creepy trying to recreate what Walt looks like. Some people are like, you don't know what they can do now.

Well, I hope it's cool when Elsa comes in and zaps him with ice and Walt is like. Some people are like, you don't know what they can do now. I hope it's cool when Elsa comes in and zaps him with ice. Walt is frozen. We finally get to see what that would be like. How the whole office freezes. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. My pen holder. My scotch.

This is what I wanted, though. Yeah, that would be good. Hazel, George gets frozen in the office over to the right. What if the Walt animatronic has the light-up face? Oh, sure. What if just time constraints? Yeah, they use the Epcot version.

He looks like a doll-faced Spectro-Man. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. Hi, everyone. I'm Walt. They make him sound like that. like that to make him sound like that it just matches the stretch of disney help me uh wow yeah so yeah and then you go and then the everything the day is saved and then

they have a party and i know and i'll start skating around the rides over amazing ride 10 out of 10 just worth the price of admission worth the nightmare of getting to the park two hours early to try to get into wow it's just so good you think top disney's ride disney sea ride or disney tokyo disney in general yeah i mean it's up there you know i still think 20 000 leagues is my personal favorite just because it's so unique and just so detailed and you can ride it 500 times and still see something new. But yeah, the Frozen ride is amazing.

I guess there's also, you gotta hope that we get that in 15 years. Assuming that that is a Disneyland forward expansion. I hope we get it at this level and not, because like Hong Kong's not quite this, right?

Yeah, I think that's more Epcot. Yeah, yeah. A little elevated with the electronics. I'm guessing that whatever shape Disneyland Forward takes, we are seeing the lands now in all the other parks. We're seeing like 80% of what we will get in a decade in the other parks happening. I think so of what we will get in a decade yeah in the other parks happening whether it's i think so although there's a little bit of disagreement on this let me bring

this up really quick i forgot in the peter pan zone but since we're talking about disneyland forward stuff uh something that they've shown a lot is peter pan as a possibility of what ends up over there and i got a little bit of pushback about this possibility from friend of the show van roba show and he wanted to get involved in the betting that we've been doing oh interesting van's theory is that they're showing peter pan because that's something that makes sense to like well like an anaheim city council member knows what peter pan is so if they say oh this seems fun peter pan will be there but he does not believe that that will be relevant enough of a property. He thinks that that is like a placeholder, like a lie,

so that then they can put in something like Avatar or a property, the TBD, that will become more important to the company. Basically, he wanted to throw out the bet to us that... There won't be a big Pan land. Once we get all of Disneyland forward, that none of that will be peter pan what do you guys think of this uh this proposition well could i i want to bet that there will be a third part called pan land exclusively for peter pan uh i see what he's saying i i wonder yeah because like tangled and frozen makes sense because frozen they're gonna make sequels after sequel i Makes sense because Frozen they're going to make

Sequels after sequel I don't know If they're going to ever do a Tangled sequel So I get that that's more Seemingly more relevant Was there a Tangled TV show Something like that right Like a cartoon We don't keep up on that movie TV stuff

We just know the rides but yeah I think you might be I think you're right but do we feel Is our knee jerk that we will be getting this Peter Pan stuff? I don't, I agree with Van actually. Really? Would anybody take the, can I say what the stakes of the bet are? Oh yeah. What is it?

His proposition is that this bet is worth 40 pounds of Dole Whip. 40 pounds? 40 pounds. Did they usually serve it by the pound? I don't know. You know, he ended up, he looked it up and he found that some, I don't know if it's just like powder that you make it from or something. He found a link to where you can get it in pounds. It's about $80.

It's not so unreasonable. But keep in mind, if you could take the other side of it, and he's wrong, you get 40 pounds. We all get to split. Maybe you could get in on this guy if you want. Sounds good, yeah. Anybody have strong feelings about this? I have Dole Whip. They sell individual cups now.

Do you have 40 pounds of it? In the freezer section. No, but I'm saying you could probably weigh those out easily. Yeah. I don't want to take them. I agree with him. I think there's other, well, you can get in on this, I guess. So I'm on the van side.

Van, if you're listening, yeah, yeah gonna have to share that do you disagree with van i don't know i think i do i think i do you think we're getting as much as i look i don't want any fucking pan but although maybe my opinions are changing in light of recent information however it does seem i don't know it feels like they've said it a lot and if this ride is so i think it's more about that that ride is great yeah um than feels like they've said it a lot. And if this ride is so, I think it's more about that that ride is great than any property relevance. I think a lot of that Disneyland forward, that initial concept art that wraps around the hotel, can look like mountains from Avatar, mountains from Pan, or it could be Wakanda. It's very flex.

Yeah, yeah. Future-y, Afro-future mountain. Do you have a knee jerk though what do you think we're getting pan what is your best shot i don't think we're getting pan but i do think that is a savvy thought of like something that maybe an older city council person will go like oh peter pan disney yes so am i the only person am i the least of the treaty are going to end up with 40 pounds of it sounds like yeah in probably maybe over five years? Because we don't know when they're going to say it.

It'll be like that Herb Albert cover with the woman in the whipped cream. Oh, yeah. You and Dole Whip. Or no, with us, we get the Dole Whip. Wait, no. How does it work? If it becomes official that there is no Peter Pan expansion, then you all share. Oh, so we'll be in the...

People know this reference, right? This Herb Albert cover of a woman in whipped cream from 60 years ago. Well, if you've ever gone to a used record store, because it is at every single one. Yes, it is. Yeah. Well, as long as you... That's another part of the bit now. You have to recreate that cover.

Okay. Well, if we win, though, it's like a punishment. Yes, because you'll have it. Yeah. Can I ask something about this Dole Whip? Yeah. Does it come in concentrate? Like, do you have to mix it with something?

The question I had, he sent me a link. Let me look. I wasn't too careful about this. I'll try to figure. Do you have a knee jerk on this while I look up the... Oh, wait. Actually, he sent... Oh, geez.

What he sent is only 17 pounds. Well, you added 23 pounds to that. I'm confused at the link. It's a box and it's a very functional box and it apparently has 17 pounds. Oh my God. All right. Well, do you think we're getting Peter Pan?

No, I don't think so. I think they'll want more relevant new stuff. Huh. Well, I might. Then I'll just... The man on an island. Yeah. Pan Island. Huh. Huh. I don't know. It's weird that I ended up on Pan Island. It is weird. stuff yeah huh well in my and then i'll just the man on an island yeah again an island huh huh i

don't know it's weird that i ended up on pan it is weird but uh something is gravitating me towards it right now i don't know what it is the pirate ship and the skull is cool so if it is the full land that is uh enticing because it feels like a a cool i don't know, thing to go to. Well, let's just keep in mind then that there might be a Dole Whip party that we all, that everybody's invited to and Guy, you'll have to join too, and catered by me, apparently. Right. And if not, then you all just watch me

eat something I don't really want. 17 pounds of it. We're gonna have to do this in like 10 sittings. We're gonna have to do a lot. We're committed, you're committed to a lot here. Citrus-based foods, famously good for eating a ton of. Great for the throat. And your teeth.

The enamel on your teeth. And your teeth. Yeah. Hey, look, it's Van's desire, not even mine. He said you don't have to eat it, but you have to accept it. Those are the rules of Van's bet. Okay. Yeah.

Well, it seems like no matter who wins we all get punished somehow like everybody gets punished depending just the logistics the sheer hauling big boxes of Dole Whip around and the smell of melted rotting Dole Whip too haunting you much like

the crocodile haunted hook you'll be pining for roast beef popcorn after this. Anyways, okay, what have we missed here? Yeah, so yeah, exit frozen on the right, hiding the giant show building, a big old fjord

with water coming out and you know, just looks super nice. So this leads to the Tokyo DisneySea Fantasy Springs Hotel. Oh yeah. My note to start off this section of my notes ugly yeah i mean the park facing side's all right it's a little odd but like but then if you see it that's what i was looking at if you see all around it it's not that

great yeah the park facing side is is a is much better but if you're coming on that monorail from Tokyo Disneyland to the Bayside Station, I mean, it just looks like a big stucco box with a couple of little flourishes. It feels very vague. It feels like if you're taking the monorail and you're behind Bellagio. Yeah. It's not as nice as in the front. Yeah. I wonder if this got away from them or something.

Because it doesn't really match the rest of the land. It's pretty enough, you know. But yeah, there's 475 rooms in this hotel, 419 rooms in the normal side of the hotel, but then there's the Grand Chateau with 56 rooms. So that's like the ultra expensive premium rooms that look into the land. Do we know how much more expensive than a typical than like, I don't know, surrounding hotels?

So when I go to Tokyo Disney and I stay in one of the on-site hotels, I try to pay like 120 bucks for like the Hilton or the Sheraton. Right. I love it. That was a Hilton. Yeah. I like that Hilton. Really nice. Yeah.

Really good lounge in there, by the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. I liked it. Good breakfast.ilton yeah i like that hilton really nice yeah really good lounge in there by the way oh yeah yeah yes i liked it breakfast i liked it all yeah oh yeah i still follow them on instagram oh yeah yeah um yeah but then um you know like toy story hotel that's like you know 300 to 400 a night depending on the season pretty expensive right uh and then this is in like the seven eight nine okay dollar hundred dollar a night range oh so one night at the contemporary yeah basically you get a theme park but yeah but also it's it's super in demand because it's new and you want to stay in it and people want to get into fantasy springs so they want to stay there and get the magic ticket yeah um yeah so i didn't stay here so all i can really say is what i see from the outside

and you know it's it's nice enough i guess yeah the one thing i heard people complaining about is that it has what looks like a lobby so you think like oh a lobby i want to go relax in here no that's a lounge you need a reservation to get into the reservation super hard to get other than that no you can't hang out in there um so yeah the but but in front of the hotel there's a this is where most of those character rock work statues are ariel with the fins and the water splashing up sorcerer mickey with the brooms dumping the water out oh that's that all looks great especially at night when the water like is really bouncing off all the lights and stuff uh this is where the only gift shop in the entire land is called

fantasy springs gifts oh i saw that yeah on the tdr explorer one of his many videos yeah he's like yeah the main gift shops in the ground floor the hotel yeah so it's like in the hotel but you can get into it from in the park right uh i waited an hour in the burning hot sun to get in here and then get into the gift shop oh my god yeah i think all i bought was a bath bomb for my girlfriend i was good with the stuff in there and now it's like all sold out and it's just regular tokyo disney merch and nobody knows when it's going to restock or not. Jeez. So this hotel is inside the park, much like MiraCosta, and it has an entrance and exit, you know, to get into the park.

Okay. So you think that's great. This is only open to guests of Fantasy Springs Hotel. Right. You can't be at a hotel just on the other side and go through the hotel. So when I was staying at Toy Story Hotel, which was directly across the street from it, if I contorted my body enough, I could look out and see my hotel. Oh, my God.

And I could not exit it at the end of the night. But you're at a Disney hotel. I know. They don't even let you. I know. So it's not like it's Grand Californian in Disney Californianey california venture i don't know i said the whole name uh you can exit through the hotel from the park but not enter no you cannot do either in tokyo right but in california venture you can't exit through yeah yeah you can enter and exit i think the first

two hours of the day they'll let you enter oh really they'll let you enter after the first if you're not staying? Yeah. Have you tried this? No. I always thought you couldn't enter. Oh, no. I go in all the time. Oh, my God. I knew you could enter if you were at the Disneyland Hotel. Yeah.

But you're saying, no, you don't even stay there. Yeah, the first couple of hours it's hotel guests only, but then after that they'll let in. This is blowing my mind because yeah there's been so many times where i go to eat at uh craftsman and yeah i mean that's a great you gotta walk you gotta go so far around oh this is this is a very thank you for that tip wow so the uh yeah you so another frustrating thing that i've heard from people who have actually stayed in the fantasy springs hotel is that they close that entrance slash exit

at nine o'clock or sometimes 9.15, either way. If you're doing something else on the other side of the park and you're not making it there in 15 minutes, the hotel you paid $900 a night to stay in, you cannot exit. You have to go all the way to the front of the park to Mira Costa to get on the monorail

and take it all the way back. That's rough. Wow. It seems like there are some American style operations issues that need to be smoothed over. Yeah. And you know, as time goes on and everything is less popular,

maybe they'll open it up to everyone who knows. I don't know. It's just something that they do now that I think is very stupid. Yeah. Yeah. So operational annoyances, but this, I mean,

you're raving about most of what we got here. Yeah. It's, it's just filled with wonderful rides and it's pretty and it adds a ton of capacity to the park, which is nice. My only criticism of that is that it feels so disconnected but even that's not really a big deal but yeah it gives disney c their fantasy land yeah yeah

which is because there's there's analogs throughout like there's that little i don't remember the name of the area but where aquatopia is is kind of like their tomorrow right and yeah um and then they sort of have an adventure land yeah yeah so wow it makes a lot of sense it's cool yeah um it and the thing i'm sure i'm sure i've said this before but it's like it's a park that like didn't need it it was the greatest theme park i've ever been to yeah regardless and now this is all and things you're saying are the best ride they're one of the best anywhere it's pretty mind-boggling yes if and the biggest expansion they've ever done and boy it's what just really shows you what they're willing to do yeah you know Oriental Land Company these rides are

like 50,000 square feet 40,000 feet they're gigantic right see them all when you're staying in the hotels on the offside ones but yeah right right is there more five even I mean I'm so into looking right now at the overhead Google map of all these parks because we're talking about D23. Is there more room to expand for DisneySea? Yeah, there's that corner where they were going to put the Scandinavia port, the original Frozen port. Oh, interesting.

And they were going to put it in that corner. Yeah. It's still just empty, but yeah. So there's still some room because I was like, oh, this is such a big footprint. I wonder what's even left to develop on. And then through where the Toy Story ride is, there's like a bus parking lot back there

that I mean, I assume they could experience. Oh, I see. That's interesting. I had the map up from earlier. Of course. Good. Yeah. Oh, so God, they could keep going.

That is wild. If anything were to come here, if we were to get anything in Disneyland forward, uh, what would be your pick? Uh, it'd have to be frozen. Yeah.

Yeah. It's, it's just so nice. And you know, if they, even if they did like a little pleasant Rapunzel D ticket that just was off in the corner somewhere. Cause you know,

the ride ending abruptly, it's like, okay, whatever. Like they only have so much money they only have so much space it's like okay cut off a couple scenes from this ride it's not a big deal sure um but that's actually what is weird is there's not really any villains either there's no mother gothel in the uh the the tangled ride and then really you only see a quick video clip of the bad guy from frozen i guess he does have an animatronic but no he doesn't do no hook and uh yeah hook well that's the only exception hook is on the hooker his funny pirate dudes sure yeah so i guess maybe just bring the rapunzel like in the tower that would be a priority over the ride yeah it's so cool yeah yeah so you could do that and late at night too when the park is emptying out and it's like in the tower, that would be a priority over the ride. Yeah. It's so cool.

Yeah. Yeah. So you could do that. And late at night too, when the park is emptying out and it's like, it's closing, you just can hear her kind of gently singing. Right. Off in the distance.

It's so nice. Wow. Wow. Uh, this is spectacular. I mean, thank you for, it's,

it's, uh, it's exciting to hear that they're doing stuff of this caliber. Yeah. And, uh, you know, if, uh, God willing, we get, uh, stuff of this caliber. And, you know, if God willing, we get stuff of this high quality over there.

And if there's a Tinkerbell in there too, then nobody would, nobody complains. What if it's just Tinkerbell land and Pan isn't anywhere to be found? Hell yeah. Thousand percent. Very Tinkerbell's busy land or busy world or something, and then it's just Tinkerbell and Peter Pan is nowhere to be found.

I think we have fixed everything. She can fly. You can do almost all the same story, and Pan isn't even involved there. They see hollows still hanging out in Disneyland. That's true, yeah. Yeah. So there's precedent.

Great, great. Okay, well, that's the idea. Also, really quick, if anybody put on this episode in confusion and you're a little disappointed, I guess you've realized by now this was not an episode about the Fantasy Springs Casino outside of Palm Springs. So apologies. We will make that a separate episode. But since it's relevant right now, you should know that Saturday, September 28th, the Special Events Center will be hosting former Eagle Don Felder. felder felder they got felder how'd they do how'd they pull that

off i don't know it's the hardest booking in showbiz and they got felder so head to if that fantasy springs is closer to you than tokyo keep in mind the felder expansion is coming for one night only and that's not at a sphere of any kind i don't think it's a regular theater the lead the flattest name place i was like that can't be right it's called the special events center this is unimaginative not disney level naming oh and just to pay off guy uh in the sherlock holmes universe you can be inspector Lestrade. Oh, thank you. There we go. The ally from Scotland Yard in Sherlock Holmes' 22nd century. It's Inspector Beth Lestrade, a direct descendant of the original Inspector Lestrade.

All right, cool. Just in time for the outro to say, Guy, Inspector Lestrade, Selga, you survived podcast the ride. Thank you. Really, thank you for bringing this in-depth report. I'm jealous. I wish I could go.

And it's awesome you've gotten to do it pretty frequently. Let's text it to the gift shop, anything you'd like to plug. Yeah, okay. Before I plug, Scott, I brought you a donut. I forgive you. What a twist. What a twist.

Wow. Wow. Uh twist wow oh roast beef no i'm still cursed bologna on the donut too no um yeah just uh guy selga on twitter and instagram and everything else and then of course touringplans.com where we uh help you save time and money in the theme parks and report on all the latest Disney news. And yeah, thanks so much for having me. That was a lot of fun. Really appreciate it. Yeah, of course.

Thanks for doing it. Thanks for coming from Buena Park. Yeah, no problem. And of course, let's go one more thing. You said you had the toy. What's the toy? Yes. A couple of years ago, they sold a Babu Frick,

a life-size Babu Frick in Galaxy's Edge. And he has a soft rubbery face because, of course, his mouth moves because he talks. So I'm going to go to Jason at the very end, but first I will say, as for us, for three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast the Ride, The Second Gate, or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier, Club 3. You'll find all of that at patreon.com slash podcasttheride. Jason, who are you smooching? You know, I'm going to have to go with a classic, and it's the Playmates April O'Neil action figure

in the yellow jumpsuit. Good one. All my hall passes are fictional cartoon characters. So, continuing that streak. Her camera turned into a gun and so she can protect you also,

right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She had a full ass gun. You can do like gunplay. Yeah. She,

yeah, she, she is like, uh, Geraldo Rivera when he was covering one of the wars in the Middle East. Would not tell the anchor back in America if he had a gun on him or not. Is there a Geraldo? I might be changing my answer.

Oh, yeah. Any Geraldo action figures out there with real feel mustache tickle action? We know some people at Mattel, so maybe we can get this done. Ooh, yes, please. Forever Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson, Jason Sheridan, Scott Gairdner, Brett Boehm, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey.

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