Podcast: The Ride - Feliz Na'vidad: Na'vi River Journey

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

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FOREVER! DOG! Apple on Pandora? Can you get hammered there? And what would a Brian Setzer Navi look like? All this plus Navi River Journey as we celebrate Feliz Navidad, the way of winter, on today's podcast, The Ride. We will be the show. It's the end of the day. Kulte! And welcome to Podcast the Ride presents Feliz Navidad, The Way of Winter,

a Yuletide celebration of all things Avatar, a podcast series that will have no cultural impact. I mean, I mean, seriously, can anyone even name one of the hosts of this podcast? Like Jason Sheridan, can you even name one of the hosts of Feliz Navidad, the way of winter? No. And like, you know, this podcast, it's just Dances with Wolves. It's just freaking Dances with Wolves. It's freaking Fern Gully, but with microphones and you can't see anything unless you go to the Forever Dog YouTube,

but there's plenty for you to see. Mike Carlson, can you name one host? Just try naming one host. I would say, my favorite character is General Michael Quarich, the character we all know. We're all very familiar with him,

right? I didn't have to go to IMDB to figure it out. You certainly didn't have to look that up before. No. And now Mike is descending back. Okay, that's all right that that all has been said for the the podcast audience and welcome to our celebration of avatar if there was ever an episode where you should maybe come to the YouTube version which is on the forever dog YouTube or just Google

us this might be the one because a couple things are happening first First of all, I have gone into the machine. I have completed the ritual, and I am at last a proud Na'vi warrior. I have done six minutes worth of face paint, and I am one of them. So you're in the Avatar program. You have not become a Na'vi. So you're just being, you're able.

Oh, that's a good question. Yes. Like Jake Sully. It's the same Jake Sully situation. How are you even able to? I don't know. Where'd you pull that from? I don't know, man.

Jake says nerd over here. There's a reason we call him the Viper Wolf of the podcast. He's skulking in the background, hiding in the foliage, you know? Well, this is the other thing. Okay, so yes, I have completed. Yes, Scott is back at home. Scott's sleeping in Burbank, but this body has been planted here several miles away in North Hollywood.

And, you know, because that's what we have to do. We're fully embracing the Avatar spirit and not to be left out. Mike has descended into a potted plant, into a tropical potted plant, where we'll see how long you're able to stay away from the microphone with a huge jungle leaf in front,

between you and the microphone. I have camo joggers on so people barely can see me. Marine, a regular Marine. I'm a regular Marine. Some might also accuse me of pulling a Home Improvements Wilson. I mean, has anyone even seen Wilson's face? Like, oh, yeah, you're a big Home Improvement fan, huh?

Then have you even seen Wilson? Yeah. Big cultural impact. Nobody knows what the guy looks like. Yeah. I'm such a fan of the actor Earl Hindman. I don't know. Everybody knows his name.

Mere minutes in, we've already gotten a Miles Quarich and a Wilson reference. We'll keep it up. This will be name city. And Jason is, you you know you might think that it's just a bunch of bottles slightly blocking his face but no no what you were doing is embracing the way of water yeah i i'm surrounded by water um and you know it i i feel like i'm in a little uh fort which is fitting because this podcast is a fortress. Wow. Yes. Yeah, wow.

Wow. This, yes, this forever dog is our fortress right now. I'm thrilled. I'm so excited that we are doing a celebration here and that we've fully embraced the Avatar spirit. I felt like I needed to...

Mike's already moving the plant oh no you're moving it closer you're gonna have you you're putting the leaf you're having it brush up against the microphone I just want it I want it to be a good visual but I also want to be able to talk so I'm gonna go with this does this have a name that people don't like when you chew on microphone

and there's some term for that but is there already a term for it don't put leaves don't rub leaves against it don't put leaves don't don't rustle leaves onto a mic uh i don't know i yeah i similar flora flora phonia is real yeah that's good don't you dare start eating those leaves you piece of shit if you start chewing on mike if these are eucalyptus i might take a bite or two because those those leaves get pant or panda koala is very high from what i is that right what that's what i understand i could be wrong that could be

fake news but let me let me make sure i'm right um something i i feel like i should mention as you're looking that up is that me with the navi face paint led to a funny moment where mike you're being very cautious as we record in studio uh you've got a baby at home you can't be too careful so you've you've been running you've been giving us COVID swabs sometimes before we record so uh I did have to do the COVID swab with Navi face paint all right we'll get that video uh in front of you on the socials soon on whatever socials exist by the time this episode comes out, because we're recording this pretty far in advance. A lot could happen between now and with Twitter or anything else.

But we're getting it done and getting it ready because as you're hearing this, this is the day after a 13-year wait, this is the day that the way of water comes out, that we all get to return to Pandora. It's today. You can go see it right now. Some of you may have seen it already. I don't know. I don't know the degree of Avatar head or if it's only us, if it's only me even. Yeah. I will see.

I'm excited to see it, but I i'm gonna see it in an empty theater you're gonna spend these six hundred dollars oh yeah i'm gonna pay to buy out all the seats to buy out what they do and not just encourage but it is built into the amc app now they're like hey come see do you want to see black panther in uh 3d or do you want to see an imax, do you want to see Black Panther in 3D? Or do you want to see it in IMAX? Or do you want to see it in a private theater? Like, you can rent out the theater within the app. Well, then that's what I'm going to have to do, I guess. Yeah.

I believe it's a misconception that they get high. They get sleepy. Okay. Okay. So I don't want it to be a Marshallgate here. I don't want Griffin to come on here and relitigate the koala bear being high. So then something else, then fundamentally something else happens. I don't want that.

Google, then you start Googling. I will never be wrong again. I promise that to the audience. You have learned your lesson. But yeah, look, we're there. We made it to the day. And if what I have done to myself in this moment does not indicate that I have gotten fully on board. It's been a journey since we started this podcast, I feel. I think maybe all of us did.

In my head, Mike, you've always been a fan, but maybe it was just of the ride. I don't know if you, I don't even know still if you care about the movie. Well, here's the thing. I went back, this goes back to, if you know my history of being on a YouTube show called Movie Fights. And I was trying to find the origin of Mighty Akron because I believe it originates there somewhere. It predates the shit wow i think so but i couldn't find evidence and i for some reason didn't want to sort through about 30 plus hours of content to try to figure out i'm sure it holds up you look i think i say

look i say i say some funny stuff but i'm not saying go back and watch everything. I'm just saying. But there's an avatar questions and stuff. So I would say things, and I believe it originated, because we talked about Botanicus, which is something I said. Hashtag Botanicus on that show is something that we brought over here. So I still have not found the exact time I said Mighty Akron

for the first time. Wow, but that's before the show. I don't think I realized this before the show. I think it was before the show. I actually could be wrong. Again, but it was before the show. I don't think I realized it was before the show. I think it was before the show. I actually could be wrong. Again, don't, Griffin, please. I don't know. So you might have been talking about like an absolutely epic face-off where the mighty Kron

is staring down Oogie Boogie from Nightmare Before Christmas. Sure, I found an old one because it was a show where you would answer like hypothetical questions about entertainment. So I found one

where I was pitching like a Jake Sully Disney Plus show. I was pitching out on all the different things you could do with Avatar. But I don't say it in there. I don't say Mighty Ekron in there. Oh, okay. Ekron, excuse me. No. Cameron.

Cameron, I saw a video and he says just very quickly Ekron. Really? This might end up being like Millennium Falcon Falcon, where it's like there's official sources that kind of say both ways. Where fans have their opinions about it, but the creator of the franchise doesn't give a shit. Yeah.

That's also. That one's tricky too, because that's just a normal word that some people say one way and some say another. So I could be wrong about it but i think it originates off the show somewhere but but i i could i could be wrong about that well and look where we're at now i i prepared this here in the video feed jordan can you pull up the the google results and you know we've discussed this but i think it's grown even

since the last time we talked about avatar in our live show three years ago. So these are the results. And it's only if you Google image Mighty Ikron, it's only more Mike at this point. More lines have filled. You dominate these results. And the very first one, if you see, it's on the second row all the way on the right. The first thing that is not Carlson or Podcast the Ride oriented is Lego Avatar, Jake and Terry something or other. And that covers the Akron part.

But I went to the page and Mighty is because of a link to another Lego item that is Bowser. And they call him Mighty Bowser. So that doesn't even count. So really, that's out. So the entire first two lines i see the disneyland foodies in there um people have really helped like game these results so your association right i think uh make them more yeah make it more correct you got it yeah yeah you uh this this this land is yours and anyone else encroaching uh you need to chase them away as the Na'vi chased away the sky people.

Yes, it's good. Yeah, so I mean, there has to be another precedent for like a character in a movie where like somebody added a word to it and now they're the search for it, right? I don't know. We'll never be able to know. Like another like – did somebody call Yoda cool and you looked up cool Yoda and now it's like some guy from a podcast? I don't know if there's a precedent for that. Did a guy invent the phrase gross ET? Yeah, right.

Somebody maybe did and now it's all a podcast host. But this is too much. Like, this is out there. This has gotten out there, I think, with the Google search. Well, it's grown a lot. The legend of Mike Carlson and the Mighty Akron has only grown. And it's grown to a point, and we've talked about this before, but now that we're at the day, I think we have to address it.

And we haven't officially addressed it on the show. And now I ask for the clip, which I think the word mighty is in the clip. Spoiler. But if you have not seen the the most official avatar trailer that came out it all builds to this is like the crucial pivot point of the where like the trailer like it's it's kind of mysterious until this moment and then it picks up steam and gets fast and intense after this so it's like really the key moment of the trailer for avatar the way of water let's So what does her heartbeat sound like?

Mighty. Everything ducks away. In an extremely busy trailer, everything fades out. Like all the instruments, everybody sets the instruments down. And so that there's one solo and it's seemingly the new Sigourney Weaver character, the young girl saying mighty. What did you think when this dropped? Well, we talked about this happening in the movie. We were like, they're going gonna say it or something in the

movie we discussed the possibility i think we did whether it was on mic or off i don't know i was like what if it's in the movie so this isn't quite the phrase but the showcase of the word mighty which is not a common it's not like they say mighty all the time it's not like a star wars where they say credits or something it's like like Mighty, I don't think, is something they overuse or use ever in the first Avatar. So it feels purposeful, I will say. It feels purposeful. I've been told that the, so because it goes from Mighty to a picture of, or a picture of a scene of. An Akron.

People, somebody was trying to tell me that these are not Akrons. These are a smaller oh shit well beast they're like some sort of i forget which new beasts to learn right oh boy so i guess that takes a little of the fun out of it because it feels like mighty and then we see a picture a video of an acron but still doesn't it feel like someone's talking to me it could be and i don't want to take that that away you. I would rather embrace the joy. I ran you through the ringer the time that you thought that you could get Prince to come to your Prince birthday party. Yes, you did, yes.

And by the way, I was just driving in that area. And M-Bar is really far away from the Palladium. He's not walking. That's a long walk. He's got a car. That's eight blocks. So now he's got to get in a car, get the whole entourage in the car. Do you think Prince has ever walked more than a block in his last 30 years on the planet? No, he gets in the car. That's eight blocks. Now he's got to get in a car, get the whole entourage in the car. Do you think Prince has ever walked more than a block

in his last 30 years on the planet? No, he gets in the car. That's a good point. What was Prince's conditioning like, you know? Well, he was doing three hour plus shows a night. So on some level he was in good condition. Yeah, but yeah, did he have like a routine? Did he have a

workout routine to sustain that? I know his routine did not involve going to random birthday parties that were tweeted at him here he is he shows up sometimes and he happened to have a excuse me i'm getting upset uh he happened to have a twitter account that was active at the time so i was like you know what that i'm that assuredly he himself was doing the tweeting of course he doesn't drive himself but he does do his own in case the listener doesn't know okay i don't want to no no no it his own. Listen, I don't want to. No, no, no.

It's not. We're done. I don't want to really get this. But but I was having a birthday at the M Bar and it was truly billed as a prince dance party. All Prince music. I hear it. You say build and you mean build when you emailed your friends. Well, this is not an event in the world.

Well, I told the M Bar and they basically an event in the world well i told the m bar and they basically were like yeah you can dj the whole bar which was something that's not necessarily just like a little tiny room it was the entire venue because it was practically a rec room they knew that my 30th birthday was going to draw the people in they knew people were going to show up for this event they knew and we did we drew we didn't have to pay any money. Oh, this is a thank you so much. Wait, now, is this a transit Google map? Jordan has pulled up a map so we can do the actual mileage. This is very, okay, there is walking, 0.4 miles.

All right, that's not very far, but it's not like next door. Prince says somebody carry him that far. But this is a dangerous route, by the way. Hollywood's a shitty zone. It's not the best route in the world. I agree. So I don't think they're letting Prince just... So all I said was, oh my God.

So basically, all of a sudden it was revealed that, and I didn't know this, Prince did a secret show at the Palladium, which I very much was like, should we just abandon ship on this party and go to the Palladium? We should have done that. But I felt bad because people were coming. Again, we were going to have this place packed for my birthday. So I said, you know what? We should all tweet at Prince and tell Prince to come over. There's a Prince

dance party going on right here. And he's a mystery. He's not Bill Murray level showing up in a while, but he does some stuff sometimes. He's awesome, totally on the level. Not perfect. Everything he does is perfect. Bill Murray level.

No, no. This is a different league. But I would tell people, oh, you know, Prince is playing a show. Now, of course, it's crazy because M-Bar closed before the show was over. So obviously it didn't make any sense. Oh, well then. But I didn't know this at the time. I didn't know when Prince was going on.

I didn't know on the set list or whatever. But I said, this is crazy. He's blocks away. I said, let's tweet at him. Let's see what happens. But it wasn't like I was standing outside the M bar going, why is Prince showing up? You were not doing that, bud. But I thought, oh, there's a 10% chance.

10%? Okay. I maybe thought in your head. I thought, let's not go crazy. Let's not go crazy, ironically. I think maybe I thought you had like a 50% chance in your head. 10's reasonable. I can't fault you for that.

Yeah, I don't know what percent. I mean, who knows what. I was so high because I not have eucalyptus because I had alcohol. It's mainlining eucalyptus. But I definitely probably was excited because, I mean, it is a pretty funny coincidence that he's playing a secret show that close. It is, yeah. I understand. I think what I thought was weird is that I was like, yeah, but he wasn't going to come and you were mad at me.

And you're mad at me still for suggesting that maybe Prince would not be. Well, I know he doesn't know me. A giant artist is not going to go. But I'm saying like. A birthday party with my music? That's never happened before. I have got to see this. Maybe if it was next door. Maybe if it was at the, hold on, let's see, if it was at the Tender Greens.

Which you and I ate at. Jason and I ate at that Tender Greens before on Sunset. We had a typical shitty Tender Greens meal and then we walked to the bar, which I think an hour in we were like, is this bar open? It seemed like they were just a week away from packing up. They were waiting for me to pack it, pack the place with all friends and well-wishers. Anyway, look, this is not, we're not, this one we're not derailing. I was more than happy to just bring it up quickly.

No, people needed to know the context. They would want to know. You can tell us if you think Prince would have come if he knew about it or not. Yeah. But what I was saying is, in that case, I think I ruined the magic for you. And I don't want to ruin the magic for you here. Now, it did occur to me that on the day when we were texting about it, you said don't know she says mighty and then it cuts to an akron and what i didn't text was yeah but akron and akron is like one of the four things you would cut to in the avatar trailer but that's the cynic and

you know what i'm not about cynicism right now look at me look how i look this is about embracing the other side and joining the party joining the avatar party and this is i want to talk a little about this before we get into into navi river journey the primary right if we have time there's a lot to talk about yeah we might not have time right um but okay so a couple weeks ago i think it was in the the hatbox ghost episode we said we're gonna do a um a celebration of avatar and by the way i think this might be the only one on the main feed but we're gonna do a little more behind the civico gate of course oh nice nice but uh so a lot of the party will be there but anyway so i think

in that episode i said i'm embracing avatar i'm blue pilled i uh saw the re-release and i loved it and i want to i'm trying to uh think that this movie is going to be a great and amazing theatrical experience and um and so in in sort of embracing avatar i guess i i i don't know we we announced that and and oh that's what i was getting at was was that it seems like more fun on the Avatar side, right? The Avatar side is a party. And the non-Avatar side is a bunch of people like texting about how they don't understand Avatar. No one's having fun over on that side. And this is what happened when we announced the series.

That when we said we're going to do some avatar stuff 99 of the audience was like yeah great gave us episode suggestions fun that'll be fun civaco mighty cron all of that and then a tiny sliver of people are like yeah here's a suggestion don't do it don't do this uh uh i think are we not a little tired of this bit? This is nothing but a failed bit. Can we wrap up the failed bit of talking about the biggest movie of the decade, possibly the century? It churns my stomach when comedy podcasts I listen to do bits. God damn it. It is not what I am here for.

Bits that deviate from the topic? This is, we lost those people during the Prince thing already. So they're right. We're only among friends now. This is as bad as when Mother puts her hands in front of her face when we play peekaboo and she disappears forever. Mother is never coming back. There is no way to solve this.

My life is despair. Object perma what? No, it just really reminded me that I think if you're deciding I don't like Avatar at this point in time, and maybe this movie will not be good. And if it's not good, well, we should all admit that and move on. I'm not going to admit it. You won't admit it? Yeah, I don't want to. I want it to be a party in the theater.

It feels like the most, like, here is a mega blockbuster yeah it's fun we're seeing movies again in a big way this isn't straight to streaming boring can i ask god are you going to then retroactively apply this new philosophy to all the bits on the show um you're gonna embrace frank marshall you're gonna embrace the briefcase story you're gonna going to embrace the plane. We will see. We'll see. We'll see. One thing at a time. Okay, okay.

We'll see if this starts. It'll be dressed as a plane in a couple months, maybe. In a couple months, I'll be saying, I loved when Frank Marshall spoke to us. I loved his inspiring speech that did happen. That's great. But, you know, in talking about my evolution in this area, I do, I, I do have to admit to something and I have to go back to a dark place in a more cynical place. That joke that I made at the beginning, this thing that everybody says at this point of,

uh, um, or that we're, I think we're getting over it culturally, but this, this thing of can you even name a single character? Right. Um, so, uh, I, the other night I was out, uh, with my friend, uh, Brian R, host of the podcast Film at 50 that Jason and I have both been on. He's a college friend of mine and somebody who I was living with when Avatar came out with the first one. And I was asking him his memories about like, do you just do you remember when that movie was going on? Like, like, did you dig when that movie was going on? Like, did you dig it?

And he said, well, I remember you didn't. I remember you were like, this sucks shit. I don't want to see this. And so that was pure cynicism back then. And then he said something that really fucked me up. And here it is. He said, I remember one time, like, early on in the podcast, you guys were, like, making fun of Avatar. And you said, can you even name a single character in Avatar i made this you made the joke i made the joke that is now a hacky hacky joke

uh um but it was early to be fair to you it was early it was early on and i think a lot of people were i think well i can't do that i can't bring other people i this is my own journey that i have to cop to admit to but i was i was ashamed in this moment i said i can't believe i people in. This is my own journey that I have to cop to and admit to. But I was ashamed in this moment. I can't believe I did the thing that everybody was doing. The thing that I disagree with now. I think that's weird. There's movies with a massive cultural impact where I don't think you could name a

character. No. I was thinking about Get Out. What are the names of the characters in Get Out? You watched it recently. I watched it recently. I don't know the answer. I like it though. But I like it and it's clearly a phenomenon i don't think the i don't think the measure of it is necessarily okay well then name five characters yeah i remember the scenes and the message and the filmmaking well i remember i had pulled out like popular like i looked up the just the phrase movies of 2009 the year it came out and there was some good like a fantastic

mr fox i like a lot inglorious bastards like a lot and then it's just name a bastard name one bastard it just goes down uh hill from there it's like uh knowing push up in the air uh uh oh coralline was good couples retreat medea goes to jail seen a lot of well her i can i can name medea i think we can all name medea uh law-abiding citizen gamer like this is grim stuff the human centipede i can't i wait what i remember the way maybe i don't the name of the director is like a weird it's like tom dex of what of human centipede it's a weird like like like bow ox yeah what is it i um i like it that's i can't name a character but i i do remember. Well, I don't remember his name. No, it's Stefan Johans.

What? Yeah. Who am I thinking of? I don't want to get off that. Sorry, that might be the human set up. Tom Six. Tom Six is what I'm thinking of. Great name, Tom Six.

But yeah, look, these are movie. What you're saying, Jason, is these are hit films of 2009. And we are running these through the fucking quiz device of can you name a character? I think it's strange. I will say real quick. I hate to cut you. I started to cut you off. I believe I did a very similar bit and I just looked it up at UCB and I did it 10 years ago in 2012.

Okay. At another entertainment-based debate show live called the Tournament of Nerds that I did for many years. This is primarily my career before the podcast was debating things on stage or on the internet. Wearing costumes in that case like I'm wearing. I must be flashing you, but you feel like you're debating a Na'vi. Well, I was representing Jake Sully. That's the gist of that show okay i pick a character so i was but i was doing a similar bit

i don't know if i said the line i'd have to find my notes but the bit was like you can't you don't know or it was like underlining people don't know this character a thing that i did early this is all in the weeds that one of the first you're like you're literally in the weeds i'm literally in the weeds 12 years ago when i did my second show ever at UCB, which is probably 2010, I was representing a show called NBC's The Cape, which was a show that was a made-up superhero. And the whole bit was just – Was it a reality show?

No. No. It was a scripted drama. It was a scripted drama show called NBC's The Cape. And the whole bit that worked the whole night was me just listing all the things as if people knew it. Like Max Mulaney and his underground carnival of crime. You have that without people who were just listening. He did not look that up.

I did not look that up. You remembered Max Mulaney and his underground carnival of crime. I have heard Mike say Max Mulaney and his underground carnival of crime so many times. By the way, we may as well second-gate it now that I've said it. It doesn't sound like Mike to have some long pop cultural phrase in his head he can just spit out at the drop of a hat. Ruby the Hypnotist, I think, and Rolo, they're circus people, and Mina Savari was on the show. So I think I established sort of a bit, and then I did the same bit with Avatar a year or two later. Are you forgetting another podcast connection with that

bit? Yes Yeah you had me dress up as a Na'vi Oh yeah. I just threw out I was cleaning out an old prop box that I found like a skirt like a bamboo I think you dress up as a lot of things in the last 12 years Yeah and I found like an old prop box i found like a skirt like a bamboo i think you dress up as a lot of things

in the last yeah years and i found like an old rotting tube of blue paint and like a a rotting spandex blue shirt yeah i had just jason dressed up as ted once and he drank blood well actually we dressed up as i dressed up as ted a number of times. Just to go to bed. Just to go to jammies. I just want to admit that I probably also had a similar thing I said 10 years ago. What I'm getting at is I was, you know, because I do think there's just been too many. There was one a couple of years ago where I was like, we're still making this joke at this point. And I don't know if it's just because of doing this podcast.

I know everyone in Avatar. Sure. I know Jake Sully and Natiri and Colonel Miles Quarich and Parker Selfridge. Of course, yeah. And Dr. Grace Augustine, who is not Dr. Jackie Ogden. It might just be podcast. But also, I do think this movie has grown pop culturally. Not like bigger than like opening weekends. But I think it has lasted.

And it's lasted partially because of the theme parks. And also, yes, exactly. Why are we not saying saying I don't think people even care about couples retreat anymore like why is this movie or like fucking like how about any of the streaming movies that well that was viewed by five billion people in the first hour oh okay so uh now anyone name a character from uh Notice? The Gray Man? Name the Gray Man. The Gray Man. No, they just call him the Gray Man. Is he just the Gray Man?

I'll assume so. Johnny Extraction, the main character from Extraction. I think, look. Nicky Bird Box. I think we won't know the impact of these for 10 years, but we could look at something like Lilyhammer, Netflix's first show, starring one of my favorite actors of all time, Little Steven. Your favorite actors, Little Steven.

Little Steven Van Zandt from the E Street Band. And yes, I don't think people remember Lilyhammer has not necessarily grown. I'm not saying it's a bad show. I'm just saying it's not grown culturally. But it was a big hit. I think if anything has, it is this. My appreciation for Avatar has grown. I think maybe all of ours has. And there's something about it.

It's really, Mike, it's what you do with a thousand things. You love something or you have a feeling about something. And you can't tell, do I put this in the kitsch box or do I like it? So maybe you put it in the kitsch box because that's easier to process it's safer the longer it stays in there you decide I'm gonna put it in that other box that's right and that's me with avatar it might be a lot of people with avatar sure look we're it's gonna be the biggest movie of Christmas time of this year there's no doubt about that of course 2023 the big movie will be the Netflix crossover Senior vs. Stutz which will be

Robert Downey Sr. facing off against Jonah Hill's therapist Stutz of course the two black and white Netflix documentaries that appear to be being released right around the same time and they have big movie stars in them

but that doesn't mean these are vanity projects. Netflix wanted to tell the story of the less famous person. But look, Senior vs. Stutz, no matter who wins, we lose. It's an alien's versus Predator's. It's an alien's versus Predator. It's an alien's versus Predator.

It's pretty clear. We all, yeah. Senior vs. Stutz. Get ready for that. Can anyone name a Predator? It's crazy. I can all, yeah. Senior versus Stutz. Get ready for that. Can anyone name a Predator? It's crazy. I actually can. Why is that? I can. You can?

I don't even know. I actually know. You know what? I can name the toys. I can name the different toys of Predator that necessarily didn't appear in the movie. Go ahead. Show off. It's like laser shot Predator.

Yeah, I don't think that's what's in the movie. It's not, but it's cool looking if you look it up. I just saw it in Target. I guess what I'm saying is I can stay ashamed that I made this joke or I can grow. I can evolve. I like Jake who started as a mere

jarhead who was just following orders, who was just moving robotically through day to day, not living life. And he went to, he did the biostasis and went to Pandora and he was born anew and rose to become a Taruk Makto. And that's what I'm doing today, who of course is the, you know, the ultimate Na'vi warrior who led them to redemption against the sky people.

And that's what I'm trying to do currently and in this episode and in Embracing Avatar. And I thank all of you for embracing me on this journey. Well, we welcome you. We say, and I have to do this one more time, well, not a Kame, I see you. I see you. I see you, Jason. Could you say it to him?

Well, not a Kame. Yeah. And I would like Mike and Jason to say I see you to each other but I think because that plant is there I think you literally can't see I cannot see your face yeah well well not the comedy now put it back again like like the viper wolves in the distance beautiful this is the most touch it's it's's as sincere of an episode as I assume Way of Water will be as a film. So I guess, wouldn't it just, you know, to not take too long, though we could certainly talk about general Avatar world, we should probably start dipping into Navi River Journey. Yes.

The other big Avatar ride. We sort of talked about Flight of Passage in a live show a couple years ago. We'll talk about the cereal on a second gate, I think. Are you declaring that the cereal is its own? I think so. Well, maybe it's its own. We'll talk about it. We have to discuss it. We actually don't know what the other ones are, but we know Main Feed,

Navi River Journey, you gotta do the big other ride. Maybe the cereal is its own. One episode on the cereal, one episode on the weird babies, the weird other ride. Maybe the cereal is its own. One episode on the cereal, one episode on the weird babies, the weird doll babies. Oh, yeah, there are weird ones, yeah. It's not a bad pitch for what they are.

We'll see. One of them may have already come out. You might know what it is. But anyway, Navi River Journey is what we're here for. And I don't know. I mean, how to even get into it? I mean, this is a ride that is the Avatar vibe fully. Like the whole journey of it is just swim in the Avatar vibe

for seven minutes. And it's not about story and it's not about conflict. It's just like, story through experience. Yeah. Just going through the rainforest down the, hold on, I have it, I have it. Yeah, I got it too. I'll let you go.

The Caspevan River. I think maybe the, it might be Casvapan. Casvapan, okay. Possibly. If I copy pasted whose copy and paste was correct in the Moara Valley yeah of course the Moara Valley

Moara Valley yeah this is I would say this is obviously the Flight of Passage is the e-ticket the one everybody knows the one everybody probably would prefer to go on but in a lot of ways, this is more the Avatar ride in its tone, in its mood.

Yeah. It's got the bioluminescence. It's got the creatures. Because even though the movie, look, Avatar has to have action in it because it has to appeal to the masses. But if it was, I think it's just because people like that in movies but truly i think if it was as pure i think if james cameron who had his druthers it would just be more peaceful it would be more just sort of a hangout movie you think he didn't you think that james cameron the director of terminator and terminator did not and true lies did not want

to he was forced to put action well by the, by the public, in a way, yeah. And then they're going to want that shit. Yeah, but it's only, yeah. I think if, you know, he's talking about now if two and three, they have four and five ready to go, but he's like, I don't know, we'll see if it makes money and then that'll happen. But I feel like if you really can expand the Avatar universe, there's going to be a lot more like chilled out movies.

There's going to be more just not going to to be more... Not so worried about plot, just kind of like a... Because that's what everybody likes. That's what everybody... Link ladder type. Like Slacker, yeah. I was going to say like Slacker. It'll be like Slacker's tunnel.

Yeah. It'll be like that. Because everyone, I think, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Everybody's favorite part of Flight of Passage is the quiet part. Is when you kind of park

in the cave and you see the bioluminescence and everything lights up. Don't would you? I mean, maybe I'm incorrect here. I have not like watched a ride through of it since doing it. So I don't, I don't remember the scenes so thoroughly. Jason, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

I watched a, there's. You don't remember going into the cave? Then we look it up and there was no scene like that i know there's a scene i know this is right there's i recall yeah it does like really as opposed to soren or which is like a serene ride other that it does like step down for a minute it does the thing i talk about i guess it's not i guess it's sort of intimate but it's like the things i always talk about a ride like when c-3PO wheels around and he goes, looks like we've just joined the Rebel Alliance. And there's like a beat.

It's a good, like solid beat of like, take it in. This is what we're doing. It's longer than that, though, on Flight of Passage, where you park and there's this whole like kind of lights display. You watch that kind of a color transformation in the cave. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But it's an interesting, like nice, like pause point in the middle of a more transformation in the cave okay okay yeah but it's an interesting like nice like pause

point in the middle of a of a more action ride well i i watched a lot of um the the videos leading the making of pandora a lot of them are still online some of them are still on are online but websites and youtube channels have put their watermark in the corner despite it being like clearly disney promotional stuff fuck you jason's called you out motherfuckers get your water it's not the way of watermark nice try assholes uh but they they do talk about in that ride that depending on what level you end up on the ride is a little different right like soren's like that yeah soren's like that too you don't want to be you can't plan to go like i guess you can ask i know you can ask on soren to go in the row okay you can yeah you can i mean you can

ask on any ride to go front row oh like they'll be they'll they might go like you might hear a noise yeah but they will oftentimes if you just go, oh, can I go on front row? Maybe we haven't talked about this on the show. That would be insane after five years. But for most rides at Disneyland, at least, you can go and ask the cast member and be polite and just go, would it be possible? We'll wait. But, like, could we go in the front row, like the first row? Or we can go, like, you can make a request, and they'll generally kind of pull you to the side, and you'll just wait a little, like an extra couple minutes.

Yes. So, yeah, for Soarin', at least you can do that. But this has pre-show rooms and 3D glasses. It might be too complicated. Because, like, depending on where you go with the pre-show is where you end up level-wise. Right. Because it's such a big, big... I mean, I'm sure a cast member knows, but I don't know if people have experience with that.

Well, is there a preferred spot on it? I actually don't know. Is it center or better? Because I'm just comparing it to Simpsons Slash Back to the Future, where if you're in a severe corner. More so than Soarin'. Soarin' kind of everywhere is okay, but you can get kind of bendy if you're in a corner. If you're on the third row, if you really see this curve under of the circular screen and then you see the legs.

Yeah, yeah. I think Simpsons especially slash picks the future. Yeah, yeah. I actually don't know the prime flight of passage. Compare that to Navi River Journey, which it's like, as you said, you already said intimate, but a number of places when I was reading about that said like, oh, this is a boat ride.

It's a Disney boat ride, but it's more intimate than, say, like Pirates of the Caribbean and stuff because the boats are smaller. The boats fit like six to eight people. Sure. Yeah. Are they that small? Really? Yeah. And that's why that's probably why.

And because I also looked at, like, what are the average wait times? And it is often above an hour oh yeah i've never gotten right on this yeah what you i think the land is so popular and it's always popular even years after it opened i guess that makes sense that it would be that long it's i mean look i i guess this is i don't have to save this, but it's too short. It is too short. I think we're all in agreement. That's the only problem with it as far as I'm concerned. And I feel like that's part of why they can't run people through it. Yeah.

It's like Pirates is notoriously people eating. Yeah. In the sense that like. It's such a long ride. So you can like send people down there and they'll be there for. It feels like you're on Pirates for an hour every time. You're not, but it's such a long ride. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, Navi River Journey is so quick. Well, let me throw this down just to inform the rest of the discussion. I think I alluded to this in a previous episode. While I am trying to embrace Avatar and be a Turok Makto, my initial reaction to this ride is I did not love this ride. I have no hate in my heart for this ride.

But on the day, this ride was the moment where I was like, I do want to tap out of Avatar vibe. I have had enough of it for this morning. Really? It was. It was. And I think it is the line that killed it. I think because it was a long wait.

And there's not a lot going on in that queue. So my general theory is if this were, for what you get, for what the ride is, I think if that line was 20 minutes, I think that's great. You're sailing. Wow, that was fun. But the buildup becomes so much after 45 to an hour. We've talked about this before. I think we talked about it on the Spider-Man, not Islands, the California Adventure Ride.

If a line has like, if you can see the line the whole time, psychologically, it makes it worse in the sense that when a line like flight of passage which is an insanely long line has so many different scenes and you don't know where you're going and you're always like you could probably forget the order of scenes in it if yeah like there's a resistance yeah every every room's pretty different now it's the outside part now here's kind of the lab here's the artillery part here's the you would rather wait in a probably like an hour long hour and a half long line like that versus 30 minutes in a line that just kind of feels like they've temporarily set up a line at like for like a shoe release or something like yes yeah you're looking at it's kind of this like woven ceiling vibe and they're woven is the term i think for a lot of the aesthetics of this it's

like kind of a it's kind of an overhang uh that's like a canopy it's kind of like where the navib sleep a little bit um and then there's like woven uh gifts or uh like tributes to awa their god of course we know we can name this we all know um know. And then the boats themselves are a woven kind of vibe. Reed boats, I think, is what you call the boats. And it's cool. The environment is cool. But you get in there and, yes, it shows all its cards. I'm going to be going back and forth in this room for a long time.

And it's that Animal Kingdom heat and humidity. And it, yeah, I think I needed it to be like spectacular. And when the line. Given the way. Right. And when the line is so compact like that, it's also, there's a psychological thing. I think it happens when you start to, you incorrectly perceive how quick it is. Like where you go, okay, it looks like we go like here and we loop around and then we're in.

And then you might loop around and you go, holy shit, I didn't realize that the thing is so compact. There's like three more lanes I have to go through before it gets there. Does that happen to you? That happens to me all the time. If you unlock, yeah, you realize, oh, no, I did not have. Yeah, there's a little zone. I missed the zone. Yeah, you miss zones all the time when you're in there and when Q's like this because your brain goes, oh, it seems like it's 10 minutes because it's like real close.

And you go, oh, my God, no, there's an extra like chunk. It's all like a weird maze. Well, so the day we did it, it was also the hottest day of the week we were there. That was the hottest day. Okay. Yeah, sure. Worst part to be in on the hottest day. And then the next day at Islands of Adventure was the coldest day. So, but I have a different scenario that when I was down with my family,

we got in line for this just as it started pouring rain. Okay. Really hard. So it was kind of a feeling of, thank God we're in this cave for 40 minutes. Thank who? Thank Awa. Yes. Excuse me.

Yeah. So it was, oh, no, that actually, you know what? That's where the day impacts your experience on the ride. So it's shelter to you. It's like a cozy made by the locals shelter. Yeah. That's very comforting, inviting. The other thing,

well, I think Jane ducked out of the line and came back to use the bathroom. And they also like, they kind of know this line is a little oppressive because they had cards ready. It's like, Oh, okay,

here, take this and then give it back to me when you come back. And we will let you back in the line. Wow. Well, I like that. I give a good view to the cards. This should be implemented more often.

Usage. But so like if you are caught in a downpour and you're in Pandora, your options are getting one of the big lines, go in the pretty small store or go in the fairly large restaurant. But I think everyone is going to the fairly large restaurant. There's a lot of covered outdoor seating at the restaurant.

Oh, okay, sure, sure. Yeah. Okay, so given, well this is maybe proof that the line experience does impact your feeling on this. Yes. Yeah. Because as we said, this is not a plot-driven ride if you haven't been on it, not at all. It might be one of the least plot-driven rides there is.

This is a vibes-based ride. Yeah, vibes. Not at all. It might be one of the least plot driven rides there is. This is a vibes based ride. Like Small World. Small World doesn't have a plot. Now yes and I figured Small World and maybe other slow moving boats would come up. And there's no plot to Small World. But here's why I like Small World more than Navi River Journey. There is, as you were saying with the line progression uh um there there's every room is a little different here's here's ireland here's india here's south america and here it's the big grand room where everything's white and gold

and it's longer yeah absolutely and you just you know it doesn't like i i don't know it's it's it's scenes and moments oh and there's the crocodile and then here's the one who's like on the tightrope and this ride kind of feels like um it's all the same a little bit like am i crazy to say that that you there's not like pete like there's not seen there's not mood change there's not yes it's not even a mood change like you described in flight of passage where I now here's the part where it's kind of dark and still and that's different than where it's like glowing

and sunny and golden you know golden yellow out there well interesting I think it kind of builds like it's it's like the first chunk of the ride is the jungle you know and you're just sort of getting you see some navi pretty quickly the viper wolves which i keep saying that phrase

the kind of panther like creatures that are in the distance yes which i believe are screens i feel like i heard at some point like this i think is a great use of like screens in the distance but a lot of practical sets kind of disguising that they're screens. Practical stuff really like on the board, you know, it's like so everything's like there's natural

shapes and canopies kind of like infused into the screen so it doesn't feel like, alright, here is a hard rectangle where the screen begins. Yeah yeah so you kind of get your bearings like in the jungle and then you start to hear more music in the distance people off stage singing and stuff and then as you come up on the big star of the ride it's one creature singing directly at you yes yeah but do you but i don't feel like those environments are radically different like like i i don't i don't feel any like there's the jungle but then there's this yeah no it kind of is all the same which is not

that's not the you know i don't mean to hold it to the fire in that way a ride through one cool it's a very cool place, for sure. I think people would like it better overall. I think it would have more raves if not even lengthwise. I think if it did a little bit of what you're talking about, felt like there were more distinct pieces for it. Because most rides that people like, I've said some sort of version of this theory,

and I probably won't be the exact same, but like every ride has like five moves. There's like a big move that it'll have. Like you have to remember like kind of tent poles of it. And it's not necessarily about length. It's about like memorability. Yes. Yeah. And it does.

So if it's a two and a half minute ride and you remember like five distinct pieces or move, think of it as a suite. Think of it as a piece of music. What nightmare are you going to brick call? What are you going to compare it to? Why? Tchaikovsky's Seconds? Alright. I haven't heard the name Armstrong

yet. I'm happy. You were expecting it to go like, and when Black Hole Sun starts. That's more reputable in some of the stuff lately 21st century breakdown like so so when this third eye blind song that you've never heard but begins this not famous third eye blind suck i i think that's a fair criticism i i think maybe i knew going in a lot of what they were trying to do. I can't remember the, I did this first or saw the Imagineering story,

which also came out in 2019. We were on it before. I think that existed, I think. Yeah. I think that may have cemented in my mind. I, the reason I started liking it more was that, um,

sorry, I'm just grabbing the water. Mike's just discreet. Not, nothing difficult about this. Reaching through a potted plant. Uh, and you should probably do a little, I'm just grabbing the water. Mike's just discreet. Nothing difficult about this. Reaching through a potted plant. And you should probably do a little ICU to me because you just took an offer. You took

from the land. I'd grab the one on top. It's really bothering me. I can't see Jason's face. Oh, no. We like that. Jordan's saying no. Leave this part in, Jordan, also. I'm terrified.

We want this top water bottle. Look, have I been spending the entirety of recording looking at it out of the corner of my eye because I'm terrified it's going to clatter to the table and scare me? Yeah. Oh, I've had – I don't have a lot of, like, face paint on very often. If you can imagine, I'm not going to –'m not putting on like Raider face paint or whatever. So having a dark blue right next to me makes me feel like a bug is on my face. And it's going to like like chomp my eye any minute. So we're all having periphery problems.

But and Mike, you're fine. You're fine. Yeah, everything's fine. Nothing to worry about here. I got a coffee and a plant um but jason so the imagineering story i i think what made me like this ride more because i liked it a lot like when we were riding it and um uh i really enjoyed it uh i think i had heard roadie roadie's quote on this ride that's been repeated a few times is his intent for it was just plain beauty.

And Cameron, too, I feel like is like, this is just a beautiful experience. And you get to see so much of the bioluminescence. But in the Imagineering story, they say they were trying to do something that they hadn't done before, which is evoke feelings of serenity, which rides don't often do. Right, it's like a spa. It's a day spa ride. Yeah. It's like a peaceful day spa ride, which makes sense then that you're not going to have a scene

that feels a little more tumultuous. Which sounds good to me. But this is length. I think it's length. Well, let me say, because I find Soarin' to be a serene ride to be like that's the equivalent of like uh driving up to the winery for the day sure but there's still but it's scenes it's like and now we're here and now we're here i think there's a way for this to have the serenity

but also a little more of moves as as my to combine both of your interests it kind of reminds me of the opening of animal kingdom as a whole where it's like oh we're trying to do something different we're trying to show you know man's fascination with nature and animals and stuff and people kind of responded to that with like but what about rides yeah are you are you like these ingrates these no no i think i think it is a thing that designers and companies need to consider more is like well how are normal people going to perceive this like how are your neighbors or your distant relatives how are your cousins yeah how are dads how are your cousins i mean they do need to think about cousins i think yeah and they know we're their theme parks are not poland cousins

yeah that sounds i don't like that. I don't like that phrase, polling cousins. Who do you think buys the tickets? All I know is Bob Iger is going to poll cousins. That's one of the number one things he's going to be doing now that he's back. So, yeah, I do think you need less. Yeah, it's an interesting experiment to see if this ride, like what is a 15 minute version of this ride look like with no moves? Quote unquote.

I don't think, yeah, that's, that's rough. But I don't, I don't know that it's rough. I think maybe though you're calm, like,

you know, you go into a day spa, it's at last 30 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour, depending, maybe longer. You go into the sauna,

you go, there's a whole thing. It's not, have you, by the way, Mike? Have I been to a day spa? Yeah. Yeah?

Not often. Have you ever done a massage or whatever in Vegas? I have not, no. Jason? I'm too uptight to even do it. I've been to Vegas a couple times, like in L.A. Every time I go to L.A., I feel like I've literally had a massage five times in my life, I think. Yeah.

But every time I go in L.A., it's like not, I don't know. I don't know if it's the biggest. It's not a massage town. Planet Hollywood. Where's this going? That was a hard. We did a fast return. The reason I say that I get so excited is because this woman gave me a massage at Planet Hollywood.

I remember the hotel, not the restaurant. Yeah. The waitress at Planet Hollywood. The server at Planet Hollywood. She used the hands from the Addams Family thing. She pulled the thing out. Yeah, okay, drop the LA lasagna and then, you know,

take out the thing. Rubbing LA lasagna sauce on my back. She took the naked Stallone out and put me in that tub, and I stripped nude, and then I got a massage from Thing from the Addams Family. Honestly, that sounds great. That's what massages were. The only thing was it was just I was on display for the entire restaurant.

But that was worth it for a free massage. Worth the shame. But anyway, i had this massage in vegas i remember after we're just like kind of turning my neck and going my neck feels cleaner like i just remember it feeling just like she whatever she did she really knew what she was doing um and then afterward yeah there's just a whole area where like there's a sauna you can just chill out and there's some people in there depending on how busy it is. But it isn't.

Let me say this. Even isn't a day spa. Aren't there like the different rooms? That's true. You're right. Different vibes. I'm not against. Steps to the.

So I think a day spa. I'm not against that. Experience can still have. Here is the stone room. Yeah. Sure. Sauna part or whatever. I think.

Yeah. I I'm not against moves because they're peaceful moves it's not like we want to have a fight break out during this ride I don't think I would pitch anything that is beyond I understand the vibe but this just it felt to me

like it almost felt to me like the ride that takes you to another ride or another place so when it's over it feels a little like, that was okay. And I think I would, if it was even just, here's the part where you go through a cave and it's pretty dark and there's only a couple sparse glowing creatures, or you are about to hit a waterfall,

but then it clears right before. I think there's ways to keep the vibe, but still have moments you remember. I mean, I think we're running into, I think it was budget cut. I think I remember reading this was cut budget-wise. Really? Was it? Yeah, and this may be total conjecture. I don't know. But I remember at the time reading that this wasn't, I mean, nothing is ever the blue sky version.

Well, we might be butting up against practical reality. Because both these rides, you don't really pay attention to this. You can't tell from the outside. They made a giant mistake. They regret it now, I believe, because the issue with this, and I think we talked about it before, maybe we didn't, is that both Flight of Passage and River Journey are in the same building. So the problem with that is if somebody pulls a fire alarm, it shuts down both rides. Yeah. And I think it was a practical, like, they were like,

oh, this makes sense, we'll build it on top of it or each other. But I think there's issues now with, like, both rides have to go down at the same time if something like that happens. Jeez. Imagine if that was the case in Galaxy's Edge with how often... These are pretty prickly rides. They do things that have never been done.

I guess they're pretty far apart. Rise is not an insane building. Falcon's a huge building. I know this because I would bring you up to the top of the parking garage and show you that's the building for the ride. Yes, we would look down from that parking garage. So, yeah, I think from the message boards I read at the time, I think the vision of this was grander. But then, yeah, the issue was like if you want peaceful stuff, you can't throw in mood.

Like, I guess you can't keep the same vibe going and then change things drastically I feel like and what is it how long is the ride do you have the exact time um yes four minutes or something it feels like they went with okay we want this one feeling versus we want to continually throw stuff at you because that's what it would have to be then i think i swear it is just like here's the like this room is really pink in this because there are like here's pink plants which i had you know like i should say the actual names the i believe the panopyra are the very pink plants they're all kind of like round and jellyfishy so it's a little tough to tell them apart but there's a room where there's a lot of uh panopira

so so if you were if it was even more if you were so flooded that it was like all right that was the pink part yeah we're back i'm not asking for much no i know i mean there's probably little tweaks i guess you get you could throw a cave in there cave would be great a cave because like okay you're outside so you're not going to change the like, the like makeup of the sky isn't going to change immediately. It's not going to, I mean, I feel like the most memorable part up until the shaman is the frogs on the lily pad, or not the frogs, excuse me. I forget what the name of these creatures.

Wait, oh, I think I have it. The ones above you, right? Yeah, yeah. The big leaves. You have those on there? Could it be the prolimaris? The prolimaris? The prolimaris, right? Yeah, yeah. The big leaves. Do you have those on there? Could it be the prolimerus? The prolimerus? The prolimerus, that sounds...

Do you think... I mean, this is kind of... It's not quite a froggy creature, but does that seem correct, what I'm showing you right now? I think there's... Well, there's shadows. They're kind of silhouettes

because you're looking up through the... So maybe you can't tell since there's... Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's a scattering of fan lizards. Fan lizards kind of had a little moment in the movie. I have some photos here, Jordan. Let's see some of those fan,

because this is the slightest difference, I feel. I think I seen fan lizards. They're spinning around. Yeah, yeah. But my favorite discovery of them was that on the Avatar Wikipedia, according to James Cameron's Avatar, an activist survival guide, which is a 200-plus page book

about the background of the world of Pandora, the fan lizard is one of Dr. Grace Augustine's favorite animals on Pandora. Well, well, well. Well, well, well. There they are. And that's tough for her to narrow down because she knows them all and catalogs them and appreciates them and sees them. And we're looking at a fan lizard here now.

And it's a spinny airborne creature, which makes it a little tough to tell the difference between a fan lizard and a wood sprite. Can we now see a wood sprite? Because a wood sprite is my favorite. I'm no doctor, but I love how slight and delicate and feathery. These are like jellyfish, but with even less structure and biology. And I love these in the movie very much. And it looks so good in the re-release they did.

Seeing these in 3D. And they look really good in the recent, in the re-release they did. Seeing these in 3D. And they look really great in the red. Here's the thing I like in the ride a lot is seeing these guys floating around. Because how do you even, like, produce that? How do you, like, of course the Imagineering can make, like, a big, dumb, blunt object. But how do you make things so slight that it feels like it might dissolve if one drop of water hits it? They were selling, like, Christmas ornament versions of these. And they were kind of rubbery, plasticky.

And I was like, oh, that looks kind of cool. And I picked it up and I'm like, this feels like it's pretty broken. For $30, I don't want to take the risk to transport this back to California. Oh, bummer. Yeah, that's not the spirit of these. These are wispy. They're in the wind. Back to California. Oh, bummer. Yeah, that's not the spirit of these. These are wispy. They're in the wind.

There's a lot of things on this ride that are not easily overlooked and probably, like, being difficult to create. Like, it's because it's so subtle. It's like the Shaman of Song is just impressive normally. But, yes, you're right. Like, how do you make this thing glow? And how do you make it? Yeah, wait, yeah. how are you lighting it is it sort of a lighting implement itself like the plants in pandora right i is it i mean i guess there's a fiber optic kind of way but then it has to

fly and not just it doesn't just float like it it really right it billows it looks like an underwater creature but in the air and there's no like, and there's no, you know, multi-part book like the Haunted Mansion on this yet, the building of this. No, no. There's no picture of Yale Gracie type or Joe Rohde. Nobody's getting credit for making these wood sprites. This is where I think, you know,

if the line is still muddy of like, where does my genuine avatar, I think it's all here. I love the wood sprite so much. I wish they were in reality. And I left the IMAX 3D screening of it a couple months ago feeling like I think I had a little bit of that avatar depression. I'm like, I'm going to go outside and there's no wood sprites. I don't get to show my son a wood sprite. We can't catch a wood sprite on our hands.

The wood sprites are in that moment I'm talking about in Flight of passage uh okay and there is something uh i i think i said this before the first time lindsey and i went on flight of passage we heard people react in the sense of like they were being pulled out of their favorite place like as soon as the ride was over the people next to us went oh like oh like put me back in the womb like like i want to go back like let me go back wow um that's how i'm gonna feel when i have to wipe this face paint off oh no well you can always you know you can always put it back on tomorrow every day until the movie comes out which as we record this it's still got like a month to go did you see i also keep i keep catching my hands in the view yeah your hands are slowly

becoming yes well no they became blue first because i had to use them to put the makeup on and i'm very disturbed at how i've washed my hands several times and this is the results. They're still rather blue. Uh, Aaron said, I'm going to get into arrested development. Yeah. Territory. This is going to be like blue touches all over the house for months. There,

there's a, like we've talked about the small world has like kind of a warehouse feel, which I believe I criticized and everybody else said they liked it. And I think maybe everyone else is right that it's like, I think, no, I think I liked, I love said they liked it. And I think maybe everyone else is right that it's like – No, I think I like – I love the industrial route. Yes, but I acknowledge it there. I think I believe that that's correct. I think I've changed my mind on it since I've gone

because this is five years ago when we talked about this. Yeah. That's something in the five years. We all have plenty of time to evolve. To grow, yeah. And I know the pressure is on for me to evolve and start to see the briefcase story. Someone, I think, an iTunes review once where like, you guys change your mind all the time.

I was like, yes, correct. Because we're human. Correct. Because we're evolved. Because we take in information and then we proceed differently. Wow. Maybe if that's what our politicians did. All right, Cameron.

All right. slow it down. But this ride, I think this ride is also a little bit of a victim of the size of the rooms are small. Yeah. And you can feel it. It doesn't feel like Pirates when you're at the start where you kind of, you know you're in a big building when you're at the start where you kind of you know you're in a big building when you're on the bayou but you kind of don't you kind of your brain can kind of go get tricked and go like we're like in the night we're in nighttime yeah well okay this for sure is budget or who knows if this was even in the cards ever but you talk about like evolution If this ride just had, there's a little drop and it does not even need to be a thrilling drop, but just kind of like to get you from here to here.

There's a little drop that gives you a little bit of speed and then you land in this beautiful grotto or whatever. Is that not a moment? Is that not a beat? That'd be great. That makes you feel like you've gone somewhere. Yes. Psychologically. They're going to call it a journey.

Because this ride loads like Pirates in Orlando. Mm-hmm. In the sense that Pirates in Orlando just starts. You don't have that great mood-building build-up to the actual ride. Pre-show kind of, yeah. And, yeah, it feels like from cue to the launch of the ride, you don't get immersed. You're kind of just thrown in there.

And it's, yeah, you want to relax into it. You know, what they do sometimes with a day spa, Scott, is they kind of put you in there. There's music on, peaceful music. Maybe they'll, like, kind of just put a towel on you. You get ready. You have a nice lead up up to, like, the massage or whatever. I could use this. I think you would love it. I'm an uptight man. You have a nice lead up up to like the massage or whatever. Like there's a whole. I could use this.

I think you would love it. I'm an uptight man. Especially if you had a vague. Do it in Vegas. Yeah, maybe. Your home away from home. But then I go there for I don't relax in Vegas. It's like activity.

Yelling. Lights. Music. Well, Lindsay and I were both getting. And this is also like eight or nine years ago. And I'm sure I've said this before, we were late getting to this massage, and it was very stressful. Oh, so you had a bunch of...

But yeah, no, do it once. At least there maybe, but... Sure. I've just been to Specsavers and upgraded my lenses to extra thin and light with 50% off. Now, what else can I upgrade? My cat? Wow. My cat? Wow. My scooter?

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See Specsavers.ca for details offer ends soon um but i okay we could maybe we could talk a little about the or a bunch about like the big ticket item yeah in the ride because this is pretty undeniable and i have uh you know i i can't you know of course i like uh what it builds, which is the Navi Shaman of Song. Of course. I mean, this is an undeniable aspect of it. It's a pretty jaw-dropping animatronic. Yeah, it's nuts.

That is huge. That is huge because you don't see Navi wandering around. There's no physical manifestation of Navi in the land or in the other ride, which is more of a screen-based ride. So this is kind of your chance to see the scale of the Navi. Other than the tank in this.

There's a Navi in a water tank, which I read was just put back in. It was missing for a while. Really? There was a full-size Navi rotating in a water coffin basically a clear water coffin yes um and yeah it was gone for a little while but i believe it's back um but that's yeah the only other yeah actual practical navi in the land yeah yeah they talked about how like well we can't really have them walking around because they're like very skinny and 12 feet tall,

10 feet tall or however tall they are. A quote I found says how also that they have wildly active tails. That for to truly be a Na'vi, that tail is, it can't be like Mickey. We all, of course, all the characters have tails in the walk around. Or do they not?

Do they just not do Mickey's tail due to like yank possibilities doesn't have a tail I don't think because he's got it stuffed in his little red shorts I guess so yes okay there aren't a lot of tails around maybe I'm wrong maybe that shaman of songs tail is pretty wild it's wildly

active yes I kind of missed watching a video you see this is one of the things we're like they know I'm sure they did tests to try to figure out i think maybe i'm wrong but they did tests to see if there's a way we could do navi walking around i'm pretty sure that's the case but now like in the early days of disneyland they would just go ah looks good enough let's throw it out there i wish that was the case now i wish there were like years of shitty navi walking around and we could look back in the same way you can look back at those like nightmare mice mickey and minnie from I wish there were like years of shitty Navi walking around and we could look

back in the same way. You can look back at those like nightmare mice, Mickey and Minnie from the early Disneyland with the holes in their faces. Yeah. At least they tried. Yeah. I wish like the people, they know too much.

They, there's some too much of a good, like a standard for them to do a bad job. I like when there's weird, of course I'm going to goof on it, but it's funny when there's like a pre-evolution, like some of the, the initial way they presented Jack Skellington was really stupid.

Very bad. Yeah. Very unsettling. I think it looks pretty good now. Yeah. Yeah. I think they nailed it now. So there should have been a version where like people were wearing like platform shoes

with the makeup you have on and being like, hello. Y'all do it. Welcome to Pandora. And then they were like, this looks like shit. We got to stop this. Giant shoes. So it didn't happen. And I guess I don't think it's going to happen,

but I feel like they could do it. I feel like it's just like you got to have a lot of stunt performers, and it's going to be. And they have to be really skinny. You have to get the most... That's true. The slightest... I mean, you could be a Navi. You're tall. You're part of the way

there. I am part of the way there. I could be a Navi, but I feel like I'm not in the shape of a Navi. You would have to lose, like... I'm not saying... This is no comment on your... Just to be a Navi, you have to lose, like, 90 pounds. not saying, this is no comment on your, just to be a Na'vi, you have to lose like 90 pounds. Yeah, did you get some sort of wasting disease? Now casting tall people with wasting disease for.

If I could look, if the pay is right, and if I know Disney. It's going to be there. It's going to be there. They respect their performance. Famous. Famous for their generosity. Absolutely. For employee compensation.

All those companies they buy, too. Marvel, famous for high pay. Yeah, the culture gets better. It's actually better. Actually, Pixar probably is known for that. That's good. Maybe, yeah. Just any number of controlling psychos used

to be skulking around there. High pay but you gotta give out some hugs that's all. Now this is where I like I don't know the conditions if you work at Lightstorm Entertainment but I know if you work on a James Cameron production he's probably screaming at you but he doesn't then go do all these interviews

where he acts like he's a kind benevolent I think he owns although I think he's maybe I think we're maybe in a mock like he's a kind benevolent i think he owns although i think he's maybe i think we're maybe in a mock two of cameron i was gonna say i think he might be chilled out well uh funny you say that there is a gq uh profile out about cameron and i only saw the excerpt where he talks about like well my automatic weapons and my security guards i you know i don't need them in new zealand but i i you know i had them at my estate in malibu and he's like they don't really want automatic weapons does he have like new zealand does miles quaritch guard james cameron's house in malibu here's what i'll say uh

cameron says he's like an expert level marksman because he got the guy who would go on to train Keanu Reeves how to be John Wick. Really? To teach him how to shoot. Wow. I mean, most people, I would say, yes, that person's a fool. But James Cameron did just like work his way into being like the greatest deep sea diver and navigator. Are there guns on his submarine?

Whoa. Damn. Because he's in one of those small yellow submarines where he goes to the bottom of the ocean, I assume, every other day when he's not shooting or doing it. I bet you can't see him if you look at it, but I bet he's got a little compartment that they unfurl to start firing if a plankton looks at him the wrong way. Yeah. He has to have another. Does he have his own? Does James Cameron have his own Sequest DSV-style vehicle

that's like a massive Starship Enterprise under the water? Was that the deal? It was like a, because it's a set in the show. So where the show is set is like a gigantic undersea? Yeah, I don't know the scale. I think the Starship Enterprises, all of their incarnations are probably bigger but it's still like a pretty decent sized crew and living quarters and it's like they're on a long mission yeah i'm pretty sure i see so i'm just i'm asking questions as usual yeah um i don't know he could probably like i bet the guy can like

if there's an attacker on the property he can can jump in the air, like, 20 feet and, like, land right on the guy's eyeballs. His toes go straight into ice pockets. And that's the end to him. Can't shoot if you can't see. Yeah. Would you go in a submarine? I've asked this before about certain people. Would you go in a submarine with James Cameron?

Oh, yeah. Absolutely with him. Yeah, maybe not in general, but. James Cameron? Oh, yeah. Absolutely with him. Yeah, maybe not in general. You assume he's, yeah. I guess I should trust someone whose only job is submarine captain more than I trust James Cameron. Would you get in a fighter jet with Tom Cruise? Oh, 100%. That just sounds...

That's going to be intense. Yes, that's why I'm saying that. You're going to brown out. I think you're vomiting all over that thing. But if you're willing to do that. You're going to brown out. I think you're vomiting all over that thing. But if you're willing to do that. You're going to get fucked up if you go in the fighter. Jason, don't give us these eyes. We're not saying you're a wimp or anything.

I'm not saying you're not going to do it. I'm not saying you're not going to do it, but you're going to get fucked up in that fighter jet. No, hold on, hold on. That's part of the experience. I don't want to have tasks to do. Okay. I think I would say, Tom, I'll do it with you. I want a limited number of tasks because like-

Tasks is the problem. One of the other pilots, one of the other actors was like, I would feel like I had gotten the shit beaten out of me doing two flights a day and Tom was doing them nonstop. Well, the story, did you read this Miles Teller? Have I said this on the show before? Miles Teller said he felt ill for a couple couple days and they figured out that he had jet fuel in his veins ah because he was in the plane for so long and he told tom cruise that i'm sick because i have jet fuel in my veins yeah and tom cruise was like i was i've had whatever was born that way or whatever he said something like that which i mean it sounds fake the story

sounds fake but i'm sure he does have like, it's not like, it's not good to be up in a jet a lot. I don't think. But Jason's a hype miser. You just, but you, as you're embraced, you're like, I will go up and vomit my brains out. You'll have a wasting disease after. I, yeah, look, I was a nervous child. Vomit.

I'm, I'm, you know, I've done some vomiting in my time. Like, like the James Corden bit Tom Cruise did. Would you skydive with Tom Cruise? Yeah, absolutely. Scott? I've never had desire to skydive. Neither have I. Maybe you with Tom.

Maybe you got to. Definitely with James. You would skydive with James, but not necessarily with Tom. Okay, that's interesting. It would depend. Just to see how well he treats the flight crew Bang up job mates You did it

I respect regular people I do If James Corden Invite the three of us on We'll all skydive with him That would really be good Where the hell did we start with all this The Shaman of Song The Impressive Robot.

Is it the most impressive animatronic? 100%. Yeah. Is there a more impressive one still? Well. This is already, what, six years old? Yeah, I mean. I like Hondo.

I do like him. Yeah, but Hondo has a lot of layers on. I think I like him more. Well, that's a different story. Yeah. Impressive. Yeah, he doesn't do as much. But I mean, what a flex it was when they unveiled the Shaman of Song.

Yeah, I mean, I think that's what they were like, okay, maybe the budget was cut, and maybe it's not as long as we'd want it to be, but people are going to be like, holy shit when they see this thing, which is what you say. Can we, Jordan, can we see the clip of, it was the YouTube that I sent that I must say

Shaman of Song or something, and you guys will remember this. Excuse me, Shaman of Songs, plural. Oh, really? Yeah. Shaman of Songs, really? All right. We'll edit that into the rest of them. Yeah, we'll fix that.

But here is, not this one, but it's the close-up of the face. There we go. This footage, this was jaw-dropping when this came out, so let's all re-experience this together. I look forward to seeing you on Pandora. Well, not the camea. Was that okay? And I think that I did not understand when that came out that we were looking at the

animatronic right yeah it is so because the level of like have they ever willingly gone this close to the face no of an animatronic and then and then had it do lines that are not in the ride i mean they they got to be feeling confident if they're willing to do such a close-up this is crazy which movies had this level of well it changes yeah if you see go we'll post this and if you haven't seen this yeah it's a close-up of the shaman's face neck up and it's what it switches between sort of like in character and then it flips to like a very natural human performance essentially as if this is an actor so it sort of has two modes in a in an interesting as a choice choice they they kind of take it apart in the Imagineering story they're with Joe Rohde and another Imagineer and they show

like under the skin if there's just like so many tiny electric motors like stuff they could not have done even a few years ago it's like once they switched over to like electronics and not hydraulics you don't have to worry about the tubes and hydraulic fluid and stuff the blood the blood colored fluid that would shoot out. And so, I mean, yeah, this was when you watch it again. I remember watching it, yeah, like you said, when it first came out and I had to read the description and go, this is the animatronic,

and that moment of like, was that okay? Like that is, I love that so much. What's weird, what's extra weird, and I mean it in a good way so weird what's extra weird and i mean it in a good way but what's extra weird is that this is the closest to like a human like there's tokyo disney beauty and the beast animatronics that i've seen that look amazing and like next level but since the navi are closer to humans than like a cartoon woman that's what's so both unnerving and amazing about this thing still yeah is that it like feels like a person wearing makeup like bell looks so much like i look right now you look exactly really exactly the same on the screen bell yeah like

cartoon bell even though you go oh my god it's amazing animatronic it's not your brain isn't kind of getting tricked every other second when it keeps forgetting that you're looking at a robot yeah yeah um also those movements i you know i get a little bit of the okay the big things in the small spaces my fear that i address from time to time um i'm not i don't have it with this so much, even though a Na'vi is huge. But it's the fatness of a big boo that would freak me out. But you know what freaks me out a little are the movements. Because the shaman of songs is very gangly, very long arms. And they whip from close to her to close to you.

And it's those movements that kind of freak me out a little bit. Yeah, like James Cameron upset. He's waving his arms around. No! Point the light here! Yes. They mo-capped it off of his scolding of grips. Yeah. She at some point is programmed to like take a nail gun

and shoot your phone on the wall. Like that rumor that it's like, oh, the phone goes off on set. He'll nail gun it to the exit. Oh, God, that's a thing? I never heard that. I came across this researching this. We're going to get sued. If someone's phone would ring or beep,

he would take it and nail gun it above the exit. Is he constantly holding a nail gun on set? Look, it's his on-set nail gun. And who knows if he actually did this more than once or ever, but it certainly adds to the mythology. It's a fun legend. I want this to be the

policy in the theater. The AMC IMAXs all have to enforce every AMC employee has a nail gun. Go find that phone, yeah, The AMC IMAXs all have to enforce. Every AMC employee has a nail gun. Go find that phone, yeah, and put it up next to the exit sign. They should do it in the land. They should do it. There was a Nightline segment I watched where Rhodey and the reporter are riding this ride,

and he's describing stuff, and he's pointing things out, and I'm like, this is the only time I'll condone talking on a ride. They are alone. They are the only people on this running ride. Wait, this is the only time I'll condone talking on a ride. They are alone. They are the only people on this running ride. Wait, this is you saying this? This is me. I think a little whisper on a ride, but I will allow Joe Rohde and the reporter

that are clearly very properly lit and even their footage of Cameron and Scorny Weaver riding this. And even they are just silently reacting. They just take it in. Jason, would you light up, I don't know the terminology, would you light up a jewel on this? A jewel?

Get a pole? Get a big plume going? A big plume for the shaman? No. Yeah, massive plumes. Plasting plumes. Like strawberry vape it's blue dream you're blue don't you like this yeah somebody's for sure blown blueberry vape like his because we of course we're in a uh boat on pirates with strawberry vape man who did it when barbosa was

up or davy j Jones in the mist part? That's how we, yeah, the intrusive thought. Every now and then, think of the phrase, a plume for Barbossa. I used to say it to you or Gio, and we'd just start laughing. Yeah, so somebody had to, yeah. Okay, yeah, let us know if you've been on this ride and somebody blew blueberry vape when the gentleman showed up. Somebody blew some blueberry.

Yeah. Why not? I think they got to allow it. You're in the spirit. This is something I wrote down about this ride is like when I'm, you know, if it sounds like I'm being hard on it or wanting more out of it, the vibe is excellent. I would love to eat dinner in this. Yep.

You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I would weirdly, I would like to hang out still in this ride yeah uh unmoving by which i mean still the end like for like two hours that would be fine but but by virtue of a it's a ride and i am moving and i want something to have i just want a little more to but that's what yeah that that is that i think is completely is in line with my point of just like length even more than the moves, because we get used to a long,

you get used to when you're in a boat, a boat feels like more of a to do on a ride than a regular car. Yeah. Regular ride vehicle. Yeah. And I think it's because they've set the precedent that a boat is longer. Sure. Sure.

So it makes sense what you're saying. Yeah. You'd rather have a meal. You'd rather have one of those bowls, the famous bowls. Satouli bowls. Satouli bowls. In here, yes,

because it's a great place to be. I just want like something. And even now, look, I'm not hating on the Shaman of Songs, but is it, I think it's like, of course it's great, but when we've all been on slow moving boat rides with 100 animatronics that are not as good as the Shaman of Songs, but that's, would you rather have 100 okay animatronics or one very, very good one?

And I know the answer for me. I don't know. I mean, I appreciate this one that they they seem to have kept it up sure like I've been there two years later what four years later and and so it's still

working well it still looks good and they did they let it go to shit I feel like I would feel differently and they did the smart thing on this one where they built it so they can pull her out or him out, excuse me. It's a male character? I don't think so. Is it? A female character? It's voiced by a female, yeah.

Well, maybe it doesn't even matter. I guess it doesn't matter. But yeah, it can be pulled. It's on a platform. It can be pulled backstage to work on it so they didn't repeat the mistake of the Yeti. Yes. And the replacement is a screen. That's right. So if you pass by it in B mode, it is a Yeti, they learn. And the replacement is a screen. That's right.

So if you pass by it in B mode, it is a screen performance of the Shaman of Songs. That's your one trip every five years. You go, we've got to see this robot. Holy shit. This is the reason we waited an hour and a half line for this. That'd be rough. And then you see the screen. Because at least Rise of the Resistance, when you don't get Kylo, they've pulled Kylo to fix him.

You get a little, it was not like the main thing on the ride. Sure, sure. You still get a ride that's much worse than Transformers the ride. Yeah, of course. Same thing. There's also multiple Kylos. It seems like it'd be unlikely that all the Kylos would be down. Every Kylo is down.

Yeah, no, I don't think that happens. I think probably the other ones just stay there. Maybe they don't move as much. Yeah. That's the one that's the most, has the most ability to move around is the one at the end. The final, that gets like, blown up.

The hatchet. Yeah, yeah, right, right. What else needs to be said about this or about the shaman? Oh, the song. The song. The linguist. Dr. Paul Fromer, the USC professor and

linguist who came up with a lot of the Navi language. And on his personal WordPress or blog spot says, like, yeah, I wrote a lot of versions of this. The one that they ended up using I wrote in 2015

and it didn't come out until 2017 and he posted the translation of the lyrics of the song well go ahead do we want okay oh beautiful forest there are tears in the forest wood sprites we cry out calling oh awa that's the first verse connect now let me just to give you a note could you say it if this rides about serenity that was a little like that was a little arch the way you said okay in verse two let's get a little more serene sure thank you for the note um connected as one oh great mother wood sprites we cry out calling oh hey wow by the people's will the forest is singing wood sprites sprites again we cry out calling oh hey wow and that's that's three times on those oh hey was um jason that was a lovely reading could you just read these lyrics real quick in

the same yeah no, no problem. Same sort of time. Should I leave the room? No, no, go. It's fine. Cellular data is turned off. Turn on cellular data. No, no, no, no, no.

Hold on. So sorry. Do you want me to? No, I got it. I got it. Okay, great, great, great. Okay, good. I'm trying to use the right thing.

No, just take the piece of the rules you can. Yeah, sure. Serenity, great, great. Okay, good. I'm throwing you in there. I think. No, just take, yeah, peaceful as you can. Yeah, sure. Serenity, serenity. Jason, take all the time. Out with it. Take all the time you want. Jason's turning as red as I am blue. I think you should take all the time because this is such an important piece of.

You're right. We need to let him get into a place. Do we all need to leave the room and come back? Okay. Alright. This is a crying scene or this is a romantic scene and you need to be, even if you're James Cameron,

you can't be screaming. We're ready. We're ready whenever you are, Jason. Alright. Okay. Father of mine, tell me where have you been? Come on. I'm getting Cameron.

I just closed my eyes. We're losing light. My whole world disappeared. Father of mine, take me back to the day. Yeah, when I was still your golden boy. Back before you went away. Okay, thank you so much. Wow.

I feel with Awa and I feel with Everclear. But for the record, I don't think Everclear is the worst thing that you like. one now I don't know if this episode has come out what is the worst thing well in recent memory we did a mailbag episode and and I don't know if it's come out by now but with the joke became that we left the room we're like you stay and talk about music yeah and within 10 seconds of that assignment you were talking about how you like Lifehouse. That's what it was. I think I like the song Hanging by a Moment, but I'm not a huge fan of the band. I saw them open for Matchbox 20.

No, that's what you were telling this story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we leave you alone and you start talking about how much you like Hanging by a Moment. Yeah, I do like Hanging by a Moment, I think. I haven't heard it in a few years, I feel like. I like Hanging by a Moment. I always liked it, him i think i haven't heard it in a few years i feel like but i always like i always like yeah yeah am i all right am i canceled for you don't have your you just don't have the normie you never had a normie phase i think i didn't no that's just a missing piece i yeah yeah i was well i like the beastie boys a ton but then they branch you and

all this weird bullshit you like the stuff that crosses over from like cool and normie because BC boys is both cool and normie. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. But you were missing. Am I missing out on life? Is this like, okay, do I need to take the journey?

You know, cause everybody's like life house had no, the song was a big hit, but it had no cultural. Can you even name a member of life house? I cannot, I cannot name a member of life house. No offense to life house. Um, but yeah. I cannot name a member of Lifehouse. No offense to Lifehouse. But yeah. But soon enough, I will start the journey and I'll easily be able to name Rick Wolstenhulme Jr.

Wow, really? The drummer of Lifehouse, Rick Wolstenhulme Jr. He will be my favorite drummer of all time. After after way of what i think this is this is a pivotal moment for me if way of water sucks i go firmly into cynicism but if it gives me everything i need and i feel and i embrace the way of water i'm gonna end up liking life wow yeah i hope i hope he's not a ginger baker type i hope he's a peaceful guy although i guess james cameron is sort of the ginger baker was ginger baker was a James Cameron is sort of the Ginger Baker of movies. Ginger Baker was a bad man?

The drummer of Cream, correct? Yeah, the drummer of Cream. Okay. I'm going a little back. Yeah, he was a wild guy. Okay. No bursts and stuff. I see.

There's a documentary. Anyway. Well, we'll learn the way of Wollstonehume after we learn the way of water. What else? What have we not hit? They did release, by the way, Olsten Hume after we learn the way of water. What else? What have we not hit? They did release, by the way, the song. If you want to hear the song on repeat, the soundtrack was released in 2019 for the whole land.

Here's the thing that ultimately the song and the robot, I think ultimately redeem a lot of like what you would maybe not problems, but whatever. It gives you something big to go out. And it gives you something like the first time we ever went on it it's it's it's one of those things where lindsey and i like that we were singing the song all day we obviously did it at our live show a couple years ago but still got it in your head can we all do it. It's just the... I don't know until the chorus. All I got is... All I got is... All I got is...

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All I got is... We were all in Keeter, I think. It's in our hearts. So it's like in the same Sinbad in Tokyo DisneySea. It's one of those where you're like, I remember that the rest of the day. That's a memory now I have for the rest of my life to cherish is singing this song. So in that way, it's like, yeah, it's a big success, I guess, in that way. Because there's stuff you go on and you go, oh, that's fine. And then it didn't turn into a bit. It didn't turn into a fun bit to do the rest of the day if there's anything memorable to hang off which is which is the triumph of other which is the triumph of the the the video in the line and yes uh move

around a little bit right that is all instantly iconic yeah yeah that's true so so i it ultimately succeeds because of that i think yeah um but i. But I just wish there was more of it. I wish it was like a bigger in scope. And I understand they did the best with what they could money wise. But there's so much stuff on here that I, even watching the video to refresh myself, I can't notice the details because, again, it's not so well documented. Everything, every piece of it that you take for granted probably how hard it is to do and make this ride yeah yeah and the animatronic too i think in terms of what is more impressive with this versus hondo hondo very humanoid he just kind

of seems like a tall guy he's just kind of like got a clipboard or a tablet or something and he's wearing like you know a duster and like slacks i love all of them but i like it but he is good i do like him but in terms of technical impressiveness all of the arms and the tail are all moving. They're not symmetrical. They're all kind of doing their own thing. And they're so much more fluid even than like Hondo. Hondo is still a little bit more robot.

This is like the least robot-ish robots just because of how fluid it moves. It feels like it could do that. What's the dance move where you put your arm out like this and you make it like wave? What is that called? I don't know what it's called but like it feels like that robot could dance it feels like this is one of the only robots that could do a bunch of different types of dances

yes yeah yeah and that's the way they should classic yeah like program it with new tiktok dances new tiktok dances old the twists uh charlie brown twist yeah they should do at least one fun night in Pandora where the Shaman of Songs does all the different dances of the, through the decades. Oh, she's doing the mashed potato. The history of dance. Do the history of dance.

You park the boat in front. It's an exclusive event. You pay $250. Yeah, to watch it do. When I dip, you dip, we dip. I put my hand up on your hip. She can't do the Casper slide because I don't think the legs are that good, but it would all arm-based dances.

Yeah, you're fine with Macarena as long as you're fine not doing the hops to the different corners. Yeah. But the hands, she's made for that. She could do stances Sol Bossa Nova, the Austin Powers song. Oh, if she could do fingers outingers Out like her sort of Batusi. Yes. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. She could do everything, I bet. This is, I do wish that they, this is the only like, I, you know, I like that Avatar is a humorless franchise. It's maybe something that was off-putting to me at first, but now I,

it's just, it's what it is. It's a deeply, really sincere movie so you just go along for that ride right but I do wish that as with all things that like Star Wars holiday special style oh yeah I also said that's great doesn't matter it's not canon we're not messing it up we're not ruining your childhood that video by doing something stupid with the property that video was fun because it breaks character. So he allowed that to happen. So let's have some dances, James.

They all want it. The Imagineers, we know because we just created the idea of it. And we know the Imagineers want to do it. I think you just got to look at the TikTok charts and see what's trending. And that's how you keep it current. And it's how you keep 12-year-olds going on this ride. Yes. They're doing this month's dance.

Yes. That would be, yes. That's a plus up I think we all on this ride. Yes. They're doing this month's dance. Yes. Yeah. That would be, yes, that's a plus up. I think we all can get behind. Yeah. At least for a themed like overlay for the ride. Yeah.

Let's see really what this thing can do. Um, I, I remembered something. Uh, I didn't want to forget one reason I like this ride a lot. And I think it's because, uh,

one part of it, not the main reason, but like, uh, I really like the bioluminescence. I like the nighttime setting. And one of my big theme park holes is that I have never seen Pandora at night. Yeah. So I was there.

I forget what we only. Yeah, it was so hot the day we were there. We all tapped out by like lunchtime. And then the other day we were there. We all tapped out by like lunchtime. And then the other day I was there, we might have had a dinner reservation at night, but also just pouring rain all day. You guys had to go to Chicken Guy a bunch of times. So that took priority

over seeing Avatar. I think we zipped around the Seven Seas Lagoon. We had to go see the Shaman of Sauce. Yeah. Guy Fieri. Shaman of Sauce. Yeah. Guy Fieri. The Shaman of Sauce. Ma Ewa, that's a spicy sauce.

Father of mine. Yeah, the Shaman of Sauce sings Father of Mine. Put that on it. That's our plus up. Yeah, well, no, I would love to see that too. But I think, all right, look, if we're talking about kind of like, you know, while injecting music and seeing what else musically is going on in the Avatar world, I've had this idea to tie these things together because we've certainly covered Avatar here in this December episode.

But don't forget it's Feliz Navidad, the way of winter. I want this to be kind of our holiday celebration as well. So to tie all of these things together, my pitch, and now I throw it to you guys if you want to do it on the other ones on the Civico Gates, the door is open, but for now I've asserted and prepared a carol. I call it an emoticaya emoticaya Carol perfect that is the tribe that Sully enters and yes and this is a tribute not just to an iconic character

whose name we certainly know at this point but also to an iconic scene in at least some versions of the movie and Jordan I ask if you could bring up This Is It. Yes, and all right. I will now, in a very solemn fashion,

perform this episode's Omoticaya Carol. Omoticaya Carol Oh, sully night, the tree of voices shining, you're in the avatar of your brother Tom. Long was the trip through space in biostasis Now it's the night of a jarhead's rebirth The thrill of thrills when you connect your dreadlocks. She chose her mate, Netiri wants to bone. on your knees and fuck this big blue lady oh why

was this cut the sex is only in the blu-ray cut. Oh, night. Oh, mighty night. Jake Sina Beautiful. Wow. Thank you so much for that. Thank you.

Thanks. Do we all feel some serenity after? Yeah. I feel a little horny. Yeah. I do feel serenity as well. Yeah, me too. I, you know, that's,

the sex scene is not in the, it wasn't in the IMAX cut and I had to look it up so you can see it. This is one of the only places to see it in this episode. On Podcast Arrive. I swear it was in the Disney Plus version.

That I don't know. I don't know what's up in the Disney Plus, but if you saw it in the theater, it cuts away. It goes to like a pond. Yeah, it's longer. Yes. It's implied.

Some sex, but not the dreadlock connection. And not the, you know, what we just watched where like he picks her up and it starts getting a little wild. So if you really want to see Navi's fuck, then you got to go. You got to watch the video version of this, of the Navi Flight of Passage episode. But with that, you survived night one i don't know if that's true i don't know when they're coming out you survived a night of uh feliz navidad the way of winter um and up to you know hey bring them to the table if you have a muttikaya carols i've got an idea okay all. I'm very glad to hear it. So, yeah. Head to

the Sivako Gate to hear what else we're doing here. One more bonus episode on our new tier Club 3 and we're waiting to hear. Currently we're waiting on the assignment of if that's holiday oriented or if it's avatar oriented. I know which way I'd like it to go

because there's only one Christmas season until Seed Bearer comes out where we get to celebrate all of these things at once and that's all at patreon.com slash podcast the ride thanks to Jordan Katz for producing this episode thanks BJ for helping us out and that's hey

that's all the plugs and but it's not about us it's about AWOL hold on real quick before we leave mm-hmm alright the water is falling But it's not about us. It's about AWOL. Hold on real quick before we leave. The water is falling. The water is falling. All right. Well, I was going to do that.

You still got a couple here. We'll set them out here. What would you do? This is theater of the mind. The Fiji waters that we built in front of Jason are falling down. This is like the thing they play before IMAX movies to show you how crisp the audio is. That's right. Now you can hear it at the end of the podcast. Yeah, if you just heard it, you...

What was that? I know that I heard eight Fijis falling, but what did it look like? Right. And was there an avatar or a guy in a plant doing it? Only one way to find out. Check out the video and head to the Seveco Gate. Praise the Ewa. Forever. Dog. find out. Check out the video and head to the Seveco gate. Uh, praise day. Forever dog.

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