Podcast: The Ride - Feliz Na'vidad with Kyle M

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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Forever! Dog! Warning, the following podcast may contain moments as relaxing as drinking coffee in a mex suit, as perilous as a fight with your dad's clone, and as nourishing as a cheeseburger pod from Satuli Canteen. Today, we celebrate the release of Avatar Fire and Ash, and to a lesser extent, Christmas. It's the Falees Navidad special, with a mighty musical performance.

by Kyle M on Podcast the Ride. presents Feliz Navidad, chestnuts roasting on an open fire and ash. I am Varong. I am the fire, joined by Sky People, Mike Carlson. Hello there. It's an honor to be here, as it is every time on podcast The Ride, but especially on Felice. I would imagine. I don't know if you're, do you feel more intimidated somehow?

I am actually a little intimidated by it. Yeah, what's going on here. Good. Jason Sheridan My Jason is here via the link unit Hi Jason

Hi Jason Hi I'm here I've got my My beloved let me this Navi necklace From the Valley of Moira Wow I've got my

Handwritten Paiacan shirt From the live show Two years ago It has been Hidden away in a duffel bag In my closet for two years Wow Wow and that's interesting

treasures. And on this episode, I'm probably going to try it and encourage old Jason to come back and make these lewd jokes about joining his hair with another person's hair. The kind of jokes he used to make when the first avatar came out. Yes, yes. Let's find the inner 2009 in you. Right. Michael, we might, that might be a lab because as one of us has learned and two of us will learn soon, and fire is the only pure thing on this planet. Very true, yes. In my experience, me, Varong, I have found that to be true. Yes, and you know what?

I'll just say in the spirit of what Mike said, you know, connecting your hair braids is a really great way to connect with your partner. So. Well, that is true. If you've been looking for one of those, and anybody listening to. I'll put that in my Apple notes for later.

Jason calls that Navi position. That's the way, that's the sort of clinical. term for it. Honoring AWOL. Right. Right. Ecrans style. This is essentially the season finale of podcast the ride.

This is the end of 2025 on the main feed, and it felt like a good reason to blow things out. Do a little bit of a holiday special, a little bit of a Pandora special. And we've got a few special treats as part of this that I feel like I should address right here at the top. The first special thing is music. music. We're going to be celebrating both Christmas and Avatar through the power of music. And it's not just from those of us here right now. Later in the show, we will be joined by 2025's Best New Musical Artist, Kyle M. Kyle M. will be in studio spreading a little bit of holiday cheer via a track from his new holiday EP Winter's Wish. So we're excited about that.

The second special thing, today's episode is on video. Thanks to the fine folks at Frog City Studios. This video will be available for all members of Club 3 or for a one-off purchase, both of which you could do at patreon.com slash podcast the ride. And I bring up the video thing early because it ties into special thing number three. If you haven't figured it out already, I have visually transformed into the new villain of Avatar, Fire and Ash, Verong, leader of the Ash people. I am Verong as we speak. So if you want to feel fear while you listen to podcast to ride, that's what you should do to look into the eyes of Verong during this episode. These passive good boys. Oh, they're such, they're such virginal, soft. Losers. Yes, that's right. Not anymore. I have transformed. It is as if the volcano has struck my village. And I am now a fierce, powerful and frankly, very horny woman that,

is what the uh that spoiler alert i guess you should say for avatar three yeah yeah i mean i i think i think they've released a little bit of materials that might indicate yeah some of the horniness i don't know how big of a spoiler that is but i i think that maybe uh we should have this policy in place we'll get into it but we know a little bit about the film already uh so here's my if if we end up feeling like talking about some of what we've seen already. I think we should summon the Navi the Navi shaman of spoilers

and just give people a little bit of space and here I'll teach you the song right now. Spoilers hey, spoilers ha! No spoilers! No spoilers! No spoilers. Okay, I think I have it. Right. And you, I think the

long arms are part of it. Well, I have very long arms. You do, yes. It's going to be easier for you. You don't have stretch to the degree right the both of us and if you want to see my long arms go to patreon yes that's i know i guess right do not get to see to see bikes wonderful long arms wonderful long arms little leggies can i'm going to start the spoilers off early is it true that two varongs don't make a var right well i think that's i think that's up to the individual viewer um i mean you know i i think the more that people join varong uh uh uh in

Varong's plight, I think they find that it does, that does not make of a right. Let me ask, is James Cameron revealed where the Pandora version of the Catskills is yet? Because I think Jason would be good in that as an actor or a comedian on state, whatever they call them in Pandora, a comedian. Yeah, a cigar, a Stogey grown from natural pandoran plants. Ellen King of Pandora. I am willing, I am willing to pay my dues. I will go to the Navi version of the Poconos before I get upgraded to Navi cat skills. It's the Pocono, and it's just there's a K and then there's an apostrophe in there, you know, somewhere.

It is only a short difference from blue Philadelphia, but farther away from blue, the exotic Navi location of Sapphire Falls. You have a Sapphire Falls sweatshirt? Wow. Wow. Yeah, we have folkway to stay there, so I got it. It's nice to wear around the house, a little baggy. Do you only buy sweatshirts from hotels you have fun at? I, well, I think if I had an atrocious time, I would buy merch too.

So it's either really good or really bad. Really good or really bad. But just a middle of the road double tree you don't necessarily need to remember, and probably they don't have the specific merch anyway. Yeah. No, I would love a t-shirt that just says. courtyard by Marriott. I'm sure that's possible.

If it hasn't been produced for the consumer, then it has for some sort of courtyard by Marriott corporate retreat. From the exotic Navi merchant, T.Public. Also, yeah, you put an asterisk in there somewhere. No, there's asterisk over everywhere. Asterisks are flying. They're going to be flying all season long because, you know what? So this is sort of a sequel to this is how we celebrated the way.

of water being released three years ago. We did a whole series, the Feliz Navidad, the way of winter, and we're back with kind of a reprise of that because it's been a long time, but we've made it. It's that special day in December when we celebrate the reason for the season, the dawning of the king. The savior, J.C. has risen. Right. We know we're talking about.

Yes, there is only one J.C. that I could possibly be talking about right now. And he is, Jason Chariden. That's your Navi name. You put a Z in there and then. Yeah, yeah. Just skip that first E. The baby Jason Charitin. Jason does sleep in a manger at home.

Yeah, of course. Progressively larger majors as I've aged. And he's always like, see, just do those wood extensions, you know, you need a little more straw as you go. He's always begging. Yeah, it's like, it's like, oh, that old couch in the basement, I sleep so good on it. But it's me for a dirty long mate. And you have white noise of donkey braves.

Yeah. And there's three wise men always bringing him a present. So that's nice, too. Yeah. And in the distance, you can hear guards going like, where is your hometown? You have to be there for the census. Jason and Jane light up

Frankencense and mur at home Oh yeah Doesn't have to be Oh yeah And they can tell When it's fake too If you're trying to sell them fake

Frankencense and mur as well When you go to the Murr table in Times Square Don't be trying to pedal that fake Mur No card tables No three card Monty tables For this Frankencenton

So Frank You're a mur Connoisseur Yeah No JC is here JC is here today Because he needs to deliver us He needs to deliver us from disappointing box office.

Yeah. It's been a troubled year, a year mired and running men and Elyos and Tron Aries is. And there's only one person who has the answer. And we're so grateful that he is, that he's back with us today. Yeah. He seems a little tired this press junket. That's what I'm concerned about. I like the fire when he's got the fire and he's like, we're going to make $10 billion.

I know. Ironically, in promoting fire and ash. Yeah. He has lost the fight. We have a, like, I could not, I didn't know what I was looking at when I saw an interview where James Cameron was talking about having imposter syndrome. Yeah, I know. What do you mean? This is not the James Cameron, I know.

This is not the James Cameron who made the dollar sign in aliens, and that was the pit. That's not the James Cameron who marched into a room with a nice painting of what Titanic must have been like. Yeah. And said, Romeo and Juliet on this, this billion dollars. and then was right. This is like the newest Indiana Jones sequel or like Old Man Luke from Last Jedi where you're like, I don't want to see my heroes like this, old and tired. I don't want it.

I want them to be like they always were all the time. Joe Biden. He's been my hero since I first caught wind of him on C-SPAN as a child and then the whole presidency being so tired. I know. That's not the dynamo, the bitmo, I know. Biden was right about everything forever in his political career, and everybody should. The James Cameron of politics, yes, his only unbelievable success ever since he began.

So anyway, but anyway, I mean, I think there's still, the Avatar 3 is still going to do good. I'm just saying, I like it when Cameron is like unbelievably cocky. Yeah, I know. I don't know what's happening. I don't know what happened. Maybe he is feeling the pressure, and I'm feeling the pressure. You know, he's sort of said, if this one does not destroy at the box office, then we don't get parts four and five. Yeah. I think it can and I think it should and I think cockiness on his part would probably be.

It hasn't failed him in the past. Right. But he's probably feeling the pressure of like, can he top him? Because I don't think it will. Let's be honest. Because he's topped himself every time since, well, I'll say true lies. It doesn't go back to true lie. Titanic did do better than true lies.

So therefore the box office has grown every single time Will Fire Nash win? I don't know There'll be so many people who are trying to write it off here in Weekend 1 Yeah remember it's the long game It's a marathon with these things A long game stamina that most franchises do not have I think that there was an interview where he was talking about it And they're like so much as it needs to make

And I think he was like grumpy and he was just like It cost a fuck ton of money And it needs to make a fuck ton of money Now that I like Yeah Yeah But he seemed like Will the horny

Navi be defeated By the horny Critters of Suitopia 2 Oh Are those critters Horny Or are the people Online

Just horny For the critters to be horny Let's not worry about All right You're right It's none of my business I just saw the film I don't recall

Any particular horniness So I think the horniness Is applied I think Jason's seeing AI images of Judy and Nick And he thinks this in the movie, yeah Wow, wow

They were like in bed together, I saw one Nick's Dick Do you know about the infamous Fan comic The Zootopia Fancomic How infamous is it if I don't know about it? Well, it's not infamous enough I guess if the taste maker

Infamous in your pervert circles Is what you're saying? I There is a comic where Judy and Nick are a couple. Judy finds out she's pregnant and wants to have an abortion. What? Jesus.

Yeah. And how, when you say infamous, where does you, like, is this on Reddit? Where can you find this? Yeah, what part of online? I'm sure it's all over Reddit and Instagram. Okay, but you don't remember where it came across your desk. Yeah, I don't, I'm not really sure. Right.

This will be interesting. When there's a kind of online thing that Mike and I have not caught, sometimes listeners go, Hell yeah, Jason's telling them about the online thing. I know about that. I don't know if people are going to be coming out of the woodwork to talk about the Zootopia abortion. Hell yeah.

We'll have to see. I don't know. I love the Zootopia Abortion comic. Yeah. We all have different flavors of brain rot, and that's part of the fun of the show. Well, that's true. That's never seen, that's, that should replace our tagline, because it's still, we haven't figured out really a good official one.

Yes, yes. Just like three flavors of brain rot. Podcasts the Rye features Three Oasts with three flavors of brainline And fight Which will be the dominant flavor Who will win That's a constant brain rot fight

I am giving in to the brain rot of Avatar I have surrendered myself to AWA and it's been wonderful to do so Jason you just said the phrase Tastemaker Which I think has been like The Word of the Year That's the you know

When you assess 2025 Like what's the new What's the word that gets added To the dictionary maybe the most defining new thing of 2025. A thing that Jason said in reference to that you showed him bar rescue once and I think expected no further discussion or pushback on the solid fact of you being a taste maker.

But, you know, as it keeps happening, did I object to it the first time? Perhaps I did. Here at the end of the year, must I acknowledge that it's true in some ways? Yes, because you could go back to the early episodes of Podcast the Rye. in which you are trumpeting avatar as a franchise. You are saying, I remember you saying that an Avatar hotel

would be better and more popular than a Star Wars hotel. I did, yes. And we scoffed and we said, what do you? I think I specifically was like, well, how is that going to be? And now what would I not do to be at that hotel? Yes, you would kill for an Avatar hotel. I absolutely will. I will get my hands on a machine gun.

And I will wait for people to be in the sky. So they die from bullets and then, tumble thousands of feet to their death. Something that, all right, spoiler, spoilers, hey, spoilers, that happens a lot in the movie. Yeah. Would you, is it a spoiler to say that people get shot in the air? People are shot on dragons by the hundreds.

I don't think that's a spoiler. The high body count and not Jason, not in body count, like the kids say online, a true body count where, yes, there's a lot of violence in Avatar 3. Well, look, I don't want this tastemaker to, it's already gone to my head a little bit, but I don't want it to, look, I'm going to be very humble.

Yeah, when the guy said tastemaker to you at Comic-Con, I think you told that story three separate times. Yes. And then, like, you know, Griffin is talking. I mean, other people enjoy when somebody calls me a tastemaker. I even, you know what? I didn't even say this. I told a story maybe on the second gate now that I'm thinking about it,

about seeing Jimmy Angel, the 90-year-old rock and roll singer at the smokehouse. And a listener came up to me, I thought, and mentioned something. And then I realized, oh, I had mentioned this on Doe Boys. I think this wasn't a real listener, a full listener. I was wrong. This man's name was Jeff. He is a podcast, the ride listener. So even when I was going to be humbled, it was fake humble.

I was actually a listener of ours. And he was actually, he was being nice. And I was wrong. It was my mistake. So I should never be that humble again. I don't think so. My lesson was there. You came in for people just listening.

And don't be just listening. Come watch the video with us. Join us for the Christmas special. But you're wearing a scarf. And I thought it was holiday decor, but I think that's just your new vibe. Yeah, it is. Now that you're cockier. Well, it's like an old man director sort of as well, you know, because the old, I think, and I don't want to say this, a lot of older men wear scarves.

I think maybe to cover their old necks, but it does come off a little bit, pretentious perhaps. Yes. Oh, yeah. I've been wearing them since I was like 18. I also, I had a, I had a turtle neck phase, which I feel is similar. There was this black turtleneck I was wearing all the damn time. at late high school, early college. I was in a class with somebody

who became my girlfriend the next year and one of her first questions for me was like hey, what the fuck was up with that turtleneck? I thought you were a little cute but then you had that fucking turtleneck on I crossed you off the list. You had like Steve Jobs like was it black always

or was a different color? But before he did it so before that became the standard vibe. Wow. Yes, yeah. And I will say I wore it a hundred times worse than he did. Oh my God, I'd love to see a picture of that.

It was also kind of during a freshman 15 era, so I'm eating a lot of Jack in the Box ultimate cheese burgers and wearing a short sleeve black turtleneck. This vibe I currently have, I'd be better off dressed as Barong in college than what I was wearing back then. If we're talking about bringing back the old version, I wouldn't see old Scott black turtleneck covered in like Jack in the Box stuff, you know? Jack in the box stains. Yes. Lots of opportunity for Stans. Because all the condiments are on that burger every single one. I feel like with the way you're talking about yourself in this moment is maybe the heart of why when Jason and I talk about our beloved fast food you get so like you react so angrily. Because it takes me back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I looked absolutely worst when I was eating it more constantly. Maybe I mean, I just I'm spitball. I don't know. I don't know that's true. But I do. I do. I did it's dark memories because I do remember like leaning out and seeing the rear view mirror as I make the order like. Yeah. I'll take it and I know I'm doing it again and like that over a course of a few months that every single time I looked in that already bulgy mirror the neck fat is just growing and growing I guess maybe I was putting on the turtleneck to cover the ever expanding neck I just got to see a picture of this turtle I mean I I wore a turtle neck I've never felt closer to you I wonder hey well you you know what I see you I see you let me hear it back great I I I never I really only

had a short jack-in-the-box phase when it was across from the arc light, there was a jack-in-the-box The Arklight Cinema, a giant like nice movie theater in LA and I would go get the shitty little tacos

before after a movie. Then I saw like a Vice News article years later referring to that location as the most dangerous restaurant You're right. And I think it's cursed. I think it's still, at least for many years, it was not, it was closed, but not replaced by anything. It was the rare square footage in Hollywood that wasn't consumed by the most miserable apartment building you've ever seen. And that's the site of the, this is gross. The worst bathroom incident of my life happened at that jack in the box across in the arc light. We're talking to avatar. I'm dressed as for wrong. Do we have to hear about a horrible diarrhea situation? We don't have to. I'm just saying that that's a very important. place to me because it's one of the most

violent situations in that way. Let me, I just have one follow-up question was at Bathurston and spurred by the jack-of-the-box food. I had gone out with my ex-girlfriend to a nice restaurant before that. And is this the key of why Mike doesn't like nice restaurants? Maybe it is. Maybe we're getting to the heart of that.

I ordered something I had never ordered before, which in hindsight is insane. I don't know what it was the The brashness of use. Tulkoons steak. It may as well have been. I ate ostrich. Oh, interesting. I have no idea what ostrich is like.

It tasted fine. It tasted fine. Greasy, greasy, greasy, game meat. I mean, I don't really remember. It was like a hamburger. I don't know. It was fine. I was fine.

I thought. And as we're driving home, I was like, oh my God, this is a nightmare. What's going on? It was crazy. I don't know if that maybe was unrelated. I don't know. But unfortunately, the place that I stopped

that was the jack in the box across from the arc light, is Jason saying the most dangerous restaurant, the history of restaurants. And you had to go so bad, you avoided being stabbed by multiple patrons. I kicked it. Well, I beat everyone up in the restaurant. I just get out of my way. It's a real, like, kind of an Avatar three fight scenario. Stomped across razors, didn't let them cut you.

It was a great place for a $3 meal before you would walk to the Improv Olympic in Hollywood, which is now a, uh, uh, uh, drug den that is occasionally on fire, I believe Is it, wait, wait, hold on, is a drug den? I.O. is? I thought people were living in there. I feel like I heard people are living

in there. Well, it's a great play. It's a, because there's two stages in which they could live. Well, and, you couldn't live in a closed UCB because there's only the one theater. Yeah, there were three. Three? Wow. Yeah. Three. Wow.

Wow, including one named after Andy Dick. You too. Andy Dick. Yeah, which is a whole sad situation. I've almost still too sad to make the obvious connective point. Yeah, yeah. I read a TMZ article earlier this morning that said it's probably better he was smoking crack because then he wouldn't get overdosed on fentanyl.

Yes, the situation is even bleaker every day for Andy Dick. Yeah. Okay. Well, that seems like as good a place as any to transition back into the greatest fucking movie of the year. I think so, yeah. We've hit rock bottom as far as the conversation. Andy Dick, I guess one's spoilers. Hey, Andy Dick did not do any mocap performance. No. For the film. But here's the cool thing that we get to say. And here's that I think is a blessing and a level up from the last time we celebrated Avatar is that thanks to the fine

motion picture guilds of America, Mike and I were able to see this film early. We have seen avatar fire and ash Mike saw it too Mike saw it as well yes we got yeah why did you say Mike saw it too like that was so impossible because I saw a picture

oh I see I see from a screening and you were not in it I'm a power player out here in Hollywood too Jason how dare you that so that does that mean you were holding the no I was late I was late he was late and that is unfortunate because like you know I don't

want to just be braggy or make the listeners jealous or maybe I do. Maybe my inner wrong. I will be jealous. I will spread the seeds of jealousy and say that we got to, and again, you didn't make it because you were a little bit late, but not only was there a screening of the movie on the Disney lot, but also they set up a little temporary experience in a sound stage. They did a little walkthrough that you could do. It was like getting to enter the through Pandora and my God I got so hyped up it was honestly it was imaginered it felt like something they could tour around and get people to go to there were statues of Navi there were statues of the Kron and in the final room

there was like they had the big A the big like in this case of volcanic A and it was emitting a steam of some kind and then I got a smell I whiffed the smell it was unmistakable and like a child I was just babbling about it's the smell it's the smell from the ride that's the smell from flight of passage I'm smelling the smell of pandora and I was saying that to other people I knew tangentially there who didn't know to what I was referring but here in this forum people know they know that there was another place to experience that that special smell besides the avatar ride and the and soren which is the same smell essentially right but this this was cool as hell. I'm sorry you missed that

aspect of it, but you did get to go to Pandora Yes, visually, yes. Saw the film. I mean, I saw people, I got there just right before the movie started, so I saw people, though, also in my boat, but people were begging to get into the, like, the open exhibition, whatever you call it,

the building that had all the fun stuff in it. You're like, please, we're not going to get a chance to see this again. Like, there was, and they weren't on the verge of tears, but it felt like that energy, like, please, please, I don't think, we just, we want to see it. Can we just, And like the woman behind the table was just like, you can look, you can go to the door and look in, but you can't walk in. That was what she gave them.

Now, I don't know. I was on the move. I wasn't going to fight or whatever. So I don't know if they ran. I don't know what happened to them. But they were allowed to look inside. What happened to them was a lot of sadness. Yeah.

They only got that one little crack in the door and didn't even make it to the finale. Uh-huh. They didn't even see, they didn't see Varong. They didn't see Paylock. They essentially said nothing. well it sounds like management had big for wrong energy going like they were being very strict about the screening and the walk third yeah they were indeed there were multiple levels of questioning and it did even mike there was a little finagling but you but you got in we got to do it uh at the disney lot which is a special thing uh um we've seen it uh general without spoilers unless we sing the song general feelings about the film oh uh i uh i i If you like Avatar, this is for you that you like this. This isn't going to blow you like, oh, my God, it's so different.

It's Avatar, if you like being on Pandora, if you like seeing the majesty, if you like seeing new ships and new things and be inspired. There's some really fun stuff as far as bad guys are concerned. I don't know how spoiler you will get. That's my favorite stuff in the movie. As my lookalike right now, yes, Varang. Verong kicks ass. Yeah, Miles Quarich.

Oh, my God. Those are the stars of the movie, I think, in my mind. If you are excited about the idea of the way Varang looks or by how I look right now, and who wouldn't be. There's going to be a fan comic of you as Varong, I think. Jason's going to write it. Well, make that one lighter. We don't have to go in. Yeah, let's not go into Judy territory.

It can just be some sort of sex comic, fun sex comic starring Scott Verong. It's just Scott Verong, racking up body cam. count all across Pandora. Both ways. Hitting every clan. Yeah, both. Yes. At the same time.

That's okay. Spoilers. Hey, spoilers. There isn't. Varong, there's not a part where Varang is fucking and shooting a machine gun at the same time. Oh, yeah. That would definitely be a way to ratchet things up.

If there was like a Golden Eye, Zena on a top style where she's like, you know what I'm talking about? Famica Jansen. Have you ever seen Golden Eye? I have not. Oh, wow, okay. So she's a... Oh, well, that's a great Christmas.

She would... She would... She would kill out with a glass of wide dealing. That's a good idea. She would kill men with her thighs, and she would, like, cackle while she was doing it. So that was a very specific thing that was happening while she was a murder. Wow. So, yeah, there's nothing quite like that in Avatar.

No, no. Yeah, there is sex and violence, but they don't necessarily mash up. Yeah. Other than just generally, like, kind of the horny spirit being run... I have... In the previous films, as much as I have gotten blue-pilled and come to really enjoy and embrace this franchise, I think this is the first one where I was going like, hmm, I think I'm, I think I'm a little attracted to some of these Navvee finally.

I just, I got it because they're getting less kind of like video gamey every time. I mean, substantially less. That might be some people's vibe. Maybe people want characters, you know, slick and shiny looking like Sims. But for me, I think the more that it becomes realistic in the texture, and not really in an uncanny valley way. For Wrong is like meeting up with our old flame Judy Hopps. Well, they're both Disney princesses, really, if you think about it. That's true.

Yeah. If I ever see a Disney princess castle show without these two queens again, fire rains down. Suddenly there's no more castle. Yeah. I was thinking, because I was so impressed with that, the technology and at this. time that I was like, could you go back and take all the raw material from Martin Scorsese's the Irishman and take Peschi and De Niro and Naviify them using their motion capture? Wow.

And what would that? Because I bet it might look better than the way the Irishman looks. Just take all that data. Yes. If they have 360. They must have a lot of, maybe not all of it, but a lot of it. Oh, that's a good idea. You could do that with every, forgive me.

I don't remember the, who plays? He's the tentacle guy in Pirates of the Caribbean. Bill Nye. Bill Nye. Yeah, yeah. Can we make him not? Very possible, yeah. Any motion capture actor, whoever was like Kennedy in Forrest Gump.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we turn all the presidents into Navi? That's a question for James Cameron. But yeah, so I was thinking about that too, because I was like definitely seeing more human in the Navi in a good way than before. No, it's uncanny. And not, not, that's a bad word because that's uncanny Valley, but it's uncanny. in a good one. We're reclaiming uncanny.

We like uncanny now. But yeah, the movie, it definitely feels like, because this is, James Cameron's talking about, they've split the, he split these into two movies, way of water and fire and ash. It's going to be one. And it does feel like of a piece, these two together. Yes, yeah. And it really is like, it is just like

more of way of water. Yes. It is not like a crazy leap forward and there's not the amount of invention and the like franchise improvement from the first avatar to the second. But I don't know if it needs it. I was just like, great, more. I'm seeing new quorich scenes and new

biocon scenes. I got no complaints. I was hoping, and this is, I was hoping they'd be like the Navi, the fire Navi would be orange because I'm Mario level brained. Okay, sure. And I do want like a volcano in there, but you know, because the fire, you want a locato, whatever. Sure, yeah, yeah. But you certainly

you get fire. You certainly do get fire. You get ash. But there's, but there's, but those, but there's teases of like what may be a human, because number five, James Cameron's teased is the going to Earth Avatar movie. Yeah. And there's some scene in, in this, a couple scenes in this movie where I go, ooh, that's a little taste. I want the Earth Avatar movie. I know Pandora's part of the draw, but I want like the Star Trek 4 version of Avatar. Oh, yeah. Well, look, they already whales are in play. Right. Right. Spoilers, hey, spoilers. Ha. Wales are big time in play again, but even is that much of a spoil?

I think that's been released. I don't think this, you know what I think is great is that this isn't the most spoiler-driven franchise. You know, it's because it's not about like, and then guess who shows up in the credits. Yeah, yeah. It is just like, yeah, it's got all this shit in it. You're going to love it. It kicks ass. Yeah, I mean, that's probably a better

way to steer movies and TV in the next few years. It's less of these little gasps, less of like a, you know, it's not like a cameo, surprise cameos on a talk show or whatever. Uh-huh. It is. The thing. is good and it wraps you up in it?

Every movie is, yeah, like surprise cameo or like an old Dean Martin show who's walking through the door. Oh, and it's the seventh lead from Ghostbusters One. It's the mayor from Ghostbusters one. He's coming through the door now. He's going to, whoa, it's that guy.

Yeah, yeah, right. Yes, no, that's not the, you're just like, it's almost like you have the thrill of the start of a cameo appearance happening when the movie starts and then you just edge on that. thrill for three hours and 15 minutes. I've never

squirmed less. I've never needed to go to the bathroom less. It's fucking great. I love these fucking movies. I'm so happy they're back. Yeah, I will say what's funny too with this movie and I don't know if I was like tired but I was just like, hey, less action next time. I just want to see these

characters talk. I just want to hang out. Maybe I'm getting old but I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah. That's fun because the talking is thrilling. Yeah. Just like a podcast. What could be more thrilling? This isn't better than a movie. Consider Avatar the podcast of films. A Navi dazed and confused.

A Navi flatter. Yes. Just slice a life, yes. Everybody wants some. I would like, I mean, I'm going with the director of your name, but boyhood. Let's do some, let's, I just want to like, you know, just watch Loak grow up. I also, there's so much, there's so much potential in every which way with Avatar too. Because I was, I was thinking like, okay, say the movie doesn't make its money back.

Well, I know this is, I don't want to put that negativity out in the world, but why not then just, just make it like Michael Eisner 90s style direct to DVD Avatar 4 with one hundredth of the budget, one one hundredth of the budget. It might still be fine. And it might still be fine. Yeah, yeah. Close enough. Avatar babies. Well, that's, yeah. They sell, I sell, they sell versions of that now at gift shop avatar.

Well, I mean, cute ones, as long as it's not to, like, re-born, like, hyper-realistic Navi babies. Yes, well, yeah, that was an entire episode we did in our last Avatar celebration was the Navi Babies, and I was so creeped out by them. I think a ton of our listeners were. That was some of the most roundly negative feedback. Not necessarily for us when what we did, I hope. But more just like, like, fuck you for making me think about these or look at them even

briefly in my feed. It made me very concerned about how are the babies going to look in the film. And I've said this before, the babies, I think it's really set, it's set it up to fail in my head. And then once I saw the babies, I wept. I cry at so many things. I'm just watching some behind the scenes thing, and I don't expect this family as a fortress to come up. It comes a line that I made fun of when the first trailer came out. Now just instant tears.

I'm just, they pour down. Yeah. No, I'm very fragile. Anything can really... Like old James Cameron. Like James Gell. Well, yes, that's true. I feel like there has been an increase in Jane sends me Instagram videos of lot.

There are people who take not not they, but just regular reborn babies to Disneyland in like strollers. And that for sure gives me the creeps. It's what Judy Hopps has to do, unfortunately. Yeah, I mean, I like the videos where people are like really emotional meeting their favorite characters. I don't see the need to make fun of those. I think those are nice. But the fake babies at Disneyland, I'm like, oh, no, there's a line. Is that common?

Have you ever seen it in person? I, thank God, I have not seen it in person. In Japan, it's interesting because they have all the plot. Like, there'll be like a people pushing plush in strollers. That I'm okay with. And that I would like to see poor of it. That's okay. I agree.

Yeah, there is so much of that in Japan. You would love that. No, absolutely. Like, you've got all these. Your, your degree of cuteness and creepiness. I'm not saying. Is more fucked up even than Jason's. So, yes, there's no, like, look, I know it's all tainted by a dinosaur, whatever his name.

Alidar? I'm so happy. I didn't remember Aladar for a second. Baby or adult. But yes, of course, I'll bring a little plush around. Now, I wouldn't do it. But in like a stroller, I'm saying there's some of the same principle maybe going on there. It's just that you find aesthetically the baby doll.

It's creepy versus maybe in some sense of what's happening, but it's not as visually creepy. I would love to find one of those vintage Disney world strollers where it's just like pure metal and then a couple strips of blue vinyl and push like gelatin. Tony around or something. You could do that. Try it. Shake it up next time. Try going to Disney World with a fake baby. I don't want to hijack the conversation, but I'll do the, hey, spoiler, ha, spoiler, ha.

Okay. Question. Here's one of my concerns, as I've not seen the movie, do they ever drop Paya Khan on a volcano? Whoa, what? Drop him in a volcano? No. Like, as a, like, use me as a cannonball. Oh, oh, like, he wants, like, that's a way to kind of, like, set off the big bomb.

Helping them fight the ash people. Should we tell him? Jason, you guessed exactly right. That's exactly what happens. Sorry, we've spoiled the end of the movie. But Pyacon says, make me your bomb. They all, like, and then 5,000 Navi all with the, with the Akron help. them all collectively carry him

into the volcano, set it off. Okay, this is just a thing I thought silently in my head and as we say it out loud, I realize it's insane. No, no, I'm telling you, I just described everything that happens and I'm sorry that I'm sorry that I throw me in the volcano. That will surely end the conflict, he says.

It's a little Joe versus the volcano nod. Yeah, a little. Another one that would be good to remake. What would it? Would not be characters. Yeah, yeah. Now, look, we don't have all the time in the world because, you know, Kyle M is going to be here and regal us and be our shaman of song. Yeah. But there was some discussion of we, you know, we knew we wanted to do something and celebrate both the holidays and Avatar at the same time.

But there's not a lot of Avatar left. We were pretty exhaustive in the last series, you know. We talked about the Navi babies. We talked about the big seed. Yeah. And it doesn't really leave us a ton. But if we want, and we certainly don't have to, but there was some discussion of having a microtopic in this episode

of one of the only things which is left, that being the counter-service restaurants in the world of Pandora at Animal Kingdom, Satuli Canteen. Do we think that we could fit in a little bit of Satuli Canteen chat? Sure. If we, I don't want to say that that's not worth its own hour, and I think that it could be.

But just, you know, to literally put some meat in this episode to do some analysis of a place. Bowl meat. Some bowl meat. Yeah. Well, let's talk about it. Do we like the bowl meat that is available at the primary restaurant

in the world of Pandora? I've had the bowl meat at Satuli canteen a few times, and it's always one of the better quick service restaurants at Disney World. Now, I don't know. I shouldn't say it because maybe in the last couple of years something is because things can change. We know. But every time I've had it,

I've been like, this is a good choice, unlike a lot of Disney World Quick Service where this was a bad choice. was not a good. Now, Jason is a different scale. This was a bad choice. I will only go back eight more times. Right. But Jay, well, that's a different.

It depends what we're talking about. Now, Jason loves the food at cosmic rays. So I just want to set the bar there. Well, hold on now. Hold on now. I have fond childhood memories. And if you want a chicken finger basket, it's hard to go wrong, you know. Well, what did I say that was a lie?

Yeah, I don't think it was anything to object. too there. I thought that silently, I hadn't said it out loud. So once again, I am the fourth. I think this has happened before, too. I think, yeah, when, I was going to say, Howland Rays, when Cosmic Rays comes up, it is like, now Jason

likes it. Well, hang on. I like it. Stir and repeat in four months. Let me just, let me tell you exactly. I love it. You missed a specific way in which I love it. Yeah, I mean, we've talked to what you guys, the only criticism

Jason's ever had is that they stopped letting you take unlimited iceberg lettuce from the toppings bar. That's the only problem he's ever had with the food. And and lukewarm mushrooms and carbolized right. Sure, sure. I mean, that sounds miserable.

That sounds very miserable. But he just the dollars that he adds up when he's taking those free pieces of lettuce. Scott, I would need a big plate. I would need a plate of lukewarm sauteed mushrooms and carbolized onions every day.

if I could. Why? I mean, you could. In this fantasy, this, I love caramelized onions. I love mushrooms.

This fantasy scenario can't, this is like a world of wishing. You can't create a world in which they are warm or hot caramelized onions and mushrooms. Can you, what fantasy has been created where it has to be lukewarm? Sensitive palate. It's too hot. Stop eating up my mushroom.

Jason, can you build your own toppings bar in your apartment? Oh, boy. I mean, we got a lot of projects going. Yeah, but put this to the top of the list, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Get a couple steam trays. You have a good project now.

Yeah, and then put a bunch of lettuce in there, and then you can just sort of snack on the lettuce during the day. You know what? Now that you say that, I was talking about how to rearrange my office to both make it more practical and safe and adaptable. And I think putting it at a top. Toppings bar in there would fit right along with my grand scheme. Tray of mushrooms that can sit out all day.

Oh. What's negating this? What's in your office that you can't get rid of and replace the toppings bar? Well, I got a brand new blue Yeti Mike now. Yeah, well, that can, that's, that's, that, is it, is it the size of half the room? I don't think it is. No, it's about a foot tall. Yeah, I think you're fine.

Yeah, yeah. That can sit on top of an unfilled tree. If there's ever such a thing. Right. Well, there's no toppings bar at the Satuli Canteen. They handle it for you. They handle it for you. And we should say if you've never been there, it's tucked into a corner of Pandora, the

world of avatar. And it is like a repurposed human base. The Navi have taken over, I guess, post the first avatar, if taken over a human base. Well, isn't it, all of it post all of the, which in a way, there's always been a big spoiler in the world of avatar. Right, that lets you know that there is peace. Have reclaimed, yeah, a lot of the humans. Yeah, which feels good.

You go to Animal Kingdom and it gives you the message that no matter how many of these, they make three, five fingers crossed, 20 fingers crossed, but that knowing that Pandora will, the Navi will win. Yes. So that is the thing. But nowhere is it more prevalent, I guess, in my mind than the Satuli canteen, that the Navi have had time with this establishment, taking it from the humans.

and now it's been decorated. To take it what was probably, they do a very good job telling this story visually, what was probably just a really dreary mess hall, a real bummer of a place to grab a meal before people yell at you or before you go and get stabbed by plants or arrows. It probably sucks to be here,

and then they just kind of like put plants everywhere and, you know, and like little, like hand-stitched little items, and it makes it a wonderful dining experience. Yes. and I would like the decorations in there are nice are nice it does remind me sort of of like docking Bay 7 which is created later which is the Star Wars Land like quick service area

I think Satula canteen is better It's better decorated it's got more heart in it Yeah I don't think yeah docking Bay 7 doesn't seem like it landed I think people are excited to go to August Cantina They're excited to get the run to reps I've never been with anybody who's like Quick docking Bay I know want to dock for a sick I went, well, that's what Jason will say.

I, uh, well, um, I have been in Docky 7 a number of times. The only time I've ever eaten the food there, I feel like I was with Mike and he said, do you want the rest of them? Wow. Wow. I don't even really remember that. So not to hit my own game, not to play my own schick, but. And what was the answer? The answer was yes.

Give me, give me, give me. Yes, of course. I have to try all these new Starward foods. You know, I'm looking at the Saltuli Canteen menu right now. And it appears they have fixed a thing that I was aggravated by because now you can get a little bit of the beef and a little bit of the chicken and mobile order it with your selection of base salad, potato, sweet potato hash. Yeah, I think it's all delicious

The tofu's delicious Not super filling But appears they've gotten away From the late 2010's Desert Dome's And now it's a bevy of mooses Which is great for me

Because I love chocolate moose You were anti-dome or were you part of the Dome movement? I love the Dome Okay The Dome made me feel like royalty The Dome the doughs were so fancy

and a lot of restaurants had them for a while and it wasn't until I had eaten them a few times where I'm like oh these are really easy to make in bulk that's why it's popular you just need a mold and a cake base and some goop also some things that you need

in your soon-to-be thriving office space and my very fragrant smelling your caramelized onions scented office so would you trade the domes for the moose or do you like

that it's moose now? Oh that's true okay but like in general and just in the concept you're fine with the change is what I'm asking. I'm fine with the change yeah because I it took me a while but I think I've learned

like don't get to attach to any Disney food it'll only break your heart It will. Yeah, it will. It's a brutal world, much like the jungles of Pandora. California Adventure used to have this roast beef sandwich, originally a Fiddler Piper Practical Cafe, and it was roast beef with a cheddar cheese sauce and an onion roll, I believe, and then it moved to flows, and I don't know, it might be gone now.

And you fell in love with that sandwich, and it broke your heart in that location, so much so that he didn't bother to look up if it is, in fact. at the other location. And now he's walled himself off emotionally from the food at Disneyland and he will never be hurt again. Because Fiddler Fight for Practical, which is the main drag Starbucks,

a wonderful themeing in there, great theming restaurant of like, oh, the three sisters who sing at the top of the Hollywood Tower Hotel opened a cafe. And there's just a lot of fun artifacts and fake pictures. It's, well, it's 1930s bullshit, so that's, so you're happy.

Oh, I love it. Yeah. The one thing about Satuli Canteen, I would lightly criticize is they really set the bar high with the Navi Shaman of Song, which is an original theme park Navi character, which as we were watching, I'm like, please, please could you put the Shaman of Song into the movie somewhere? And also could you put David Danipur into the movie somewhere? That would be so nice. That would tie it all together. Little cameos for either of those characters. Yes, yeah.

That being, he who joined us for the last series, the great actor and the pre-show video. Yeah. Um, fly. But,

you know, but he's not on that timeline. That's why it's Dr. Ogden. I know, I know. Yeah, he's way,

in the future. But even as a different character, Gordon Weaver is playing two different characters at this point. Did you know that Dr. Grace Augustine is also in the Mandalorian movie? I just passed by a poster of it. I know she's in it.

And she's in it, and she's dressed just exactly. the same is she really i mean i know she was in it but i didn't know i would just love if it was connected worlds and i why not why not connect it i think it could only help star wars at this point right to make it in the same world is but no you know what am i saying that will only hurt avatar fuck that yeah we don't we don't touch avatar with grubby star wars fingers no no it's got to stay pure um but i'm like i would because you read there's there's some decent lore of like what the name of the base was and etc like they have some backstory to sotouli

canteen, but I do want, like, who's the head, Navi chef? Or is there a little, like, can we get a sense of how the food is being prepared? Yeah. And they, we don't have any of that. You just see human beings working. Well, you want to see a Navi sized kitchen where with really long arms. Or it's stressful and cramped the way that our kitchens are. Sometimes are, yeah. And it has that the, the, the bear stress, but it's happening, but like, but it's a space meant for, it's a space that it's tough for a six foot tall person, let alone a, 14 foot that's all than I mean

I don't know 11 foot I don't know 12 feet I just real quick I was going to give David Danipur a shout out because I know for a while you could see them

on an improv team on a Harold night at the UCB theater and I went to the UCB website and when I clicked on the Harold night link it said 4 of 4 page not found

well they have some work to do at the UCB website I look I mean that's why you guys got out of there you could see the writing on the wall oh yeah it's not just because our herald team was disbanded by the artistic director no no no

the navvy saying of never forget never forgive yeah did the Navi invent the phrase don't think where do that come from anyways you're saying you want more of a sense of like yeah I just want a little sense

Up at restaurant. Yeah, even just like a little video of like maybe it's even not Navi preferring. Maybe it's like the earth is preparing the food for you and it's like the vines are kind of coming to life and some sort of representation of how the food is being prepared in the narrative. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Well, it's, you know, it's it's Kiri. It's Sigourney Weaver's character. And every meal, she has to go plug herself in to like the life flower.

The underwater life flower, whatever you call it, she has to, like, seizure right up until the point of almost dying to imagine a cheeseburger pod. Right. And then you got to yank her out just in time, and then the food is there. A peanut butter and jelly kids meal that's called something with an avatar speak. If you try to conjure one more bag of tarot chips, you could die. Diet Coke is pouring from the mountains. refills are free The second or third link I tried

I finally was able to confirm that yes David Danipur you can see him on the improv group Yearbook at the UCB Theater so if you've ever wanted to meet him You're not saying people out to meet him What are you talking about? Don't talk to him. All right, I'm fine

It's hard to get people out to show sometimes I'm trying to throw him a ball I don't know I mean he was mob him outside of I just go see him sure yes that's nice but I don't have to Do what any actor wants in an improv show. Ye'll do the line until he does the line. When they ask for a suggestion, you got a really good one up your sleeve.

Wave your arms around a little bit. Has anyone had a cheeseburger pod? No, I have not had tried the cheeseburger pot. I'm suspicious of the cheese hamburger canteen. They also seem to offer hot dogs into the name Tayluse. So now if you're trying to learn to speak Navi, now you know hot dog is Thaloo. Got it, got it. But I, and I like that, you know, it seems like the through line is just like little bits of color, you know?

It's like, like maybe they're splashing fruit in there when they can. They're putting kiwis and cum quots and maybe some decorative flowers and stuff. I don't know. I think this seems like a place where the photos are as good as the initial, like you'd get a meal that's as good as the initial press release photos indicated they would be. The quality has actually kept up from what, from what. Yeah, which is rare. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's befitting of this franchise that only improves in quality or stays at the quality that we expect.

It's nice that they've managed to make a theme park restaurant that hasn't gone totally down the tubes. Yes, that is a rare thing. I asked a friend of the show, Kevin Tully, about this, you know, figuring that he goes more often than we've had a chance to. And he said, you know what? I think of it as Avatar Chipotle. Just a bunch of meat and rice and stuff, exactly 1.6 miles from an actual Chipotle, which is at that mall by the sunset walk at Margaritaville. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Wow. And he noted that, like, you're so immersed in the world of Pandora. You don't realize that there's a Chipotle, Chipotle, but down the street. Scott, when you use that mall to, like, buy a case of water at Rite Aid, did you call that the way worse? I think, well, it predated the film, but yes, I did. That was just something I was saying in my day-to-day life. Ah, the way of water, once again, gives in 32 plastics. The cheeseburg of cod was very salty.

Now time to trek outside of the theme park in the parking garage to go by a case of Deer Park. Animal Kingdom, Deer Park. How about that? How about that? Wow, how about it? connects. It is exciting thinking that maybe when we get our Avatar land at California Adventure, we're going to get a version of it. We think we'll get a version of this. Hopefully an original thing. Hopefully a new Navi restaurant. I mean, that's the biggest thing

that's happened since we did one of these things. Avatar is coming when Way of Water slayed the skeptics and did much better than the original. It became inevitable that we were going to get to blow up a little bit of California Adventure and a lot of bit of where buses arrive and part and Pandora's coming here. I'm so excited. And I will say this about the progress on certain things at Disneyland. It is, there is progress. I don't know if we're getting the magic five year Josh DeMorrow promise,

but it is better than the worst scenario where you go, they haven't really started working in anything, have they? They haven't done one thing. It does seem like stuff is going. I think Monsters Inc. is closing. It's not going to become, they are opening Pandora, but it's just, it's some astroturf and so they give a Navi game to Cornhole. right now, which would still be fun, but not quite as impressive.

It's peyulete. Yeah. It's a special ecrone beans inside these bags. Progress on the Avengers, yeah, campus expansion, right? Oh, yeah. It's, oh, massive. The building is up. Somehow, they are going to simulate when you go on the ride,

it will seem like the rest of your party is not there, and they rode at an entirely different time in an entirely different green screen and different city. Oh, they're going to simulate the shooting process of a Marvel film is what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You feel as disconnected from your family

as the actors. Seems like that. Well, do we have anything else about Sotoulli Canteen before we, I have a little treat to move on to. Oh, I mean, you can go with your treat. I think, yeah, I mean, next time I go all. Food's pretty good, vibes, indoors and outdoors are good, you know.

It seems shockingly, sad. satisfying, shockingly for everyone, despite seeming niche, much like the Avatar films themselves. Well, I mean, look, what do you expect from something attached to J.C. himself, you know? Yeah, yeah. Do you think he was part of it? Do you think he was tasting in those music? I don't know if he was. He was vegan, definitely V, so he's not doing everything. Right, but I bet he was. Hey, I'm Josh Spiegel, host of the podcast, Lunatic in the Newsroom. If you enjoy journalism that drifts into mild panic, wild overthinking, and a guaranteed nervous breakdown, lunatic in the newsroom is for you.

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the one time I was down there and I was like oh this is like three and up and you have a new boy. Oh sure I do not want to injure him with the mighty Akron. I appreciate

that but you know what if they showed up they'd be the least of anyone's problems. He is trying to injure himself with any and all things. It is essentially impossible to babyproof your entire house. Yeah. What is the disease that sounds like a farm disease that you guys get alerted to a lot? Hand, foot, and mouth disease.

Yeah. Well, you know, we're just aware of it. It's not happening a lot. Knock on wood, we haven't had it. It's, uh, no, it doesn't sound good. A greater blight than the, than the sky people on Pandora. It's not the animal version. There's a human version of it.

It's not the animal version of it. But it's still not like great, but it's not. Yeah. But it's funny. It's a funny thing to get a BASCE band. I mean, it's yeah, funny if you don't have a kid and the kid isn't in preschool. Yeah, it's hilarious. You laugh at the name and then you deal with the reality.

Yeah, it is. Now, Jason, the shop that you were probably looking at those critters, I imagine, was a shop called the wind traitors. Wind traders is the name of the gift shop, which is amazingly like a pre-tie-tie-together because the win-traders are a huge part of the new film. Whoa.

Yeah, yeah. So actually, so the seeds of it, the seeds, the big seeds of it were there in theme park world before the wind traders showed up in the film. Oh my God, I forgot all about. Does the spoiler, spoiler, spoilers, spoilers, huh? Does the big seed or potentially smaller seeds show up in this one? Oh, man.

I don't, okay, spoilers, hey, spoiler's hot. Here's what sucks is it doesn't, it's not quite enough when Pia Khan gets dropped into the volcano. They're missing a little bit of mass. They realize they have to, it's what could do? What could flesh this out a little bit more? I don't know. What about a big seed? A big seed.

And that's, that's, that's, that's dropped in. This movie seems almost too suited to my interest. Too perfect Too tidy of an ending And then Paiacan sings Hello my baby Hello my honey

Hello my Ragtime gal So it's really Jason Coded All in a lot of ways I love like the whole village Of the water people With their spears Using them

Like a little cane Oh yeah yeah With the longest legs The biggest kickline The tallest kick line you've ever seen Okay how about this Hyper Space Hoopla But it's all Avatar

It's like Navi dancing to modern songs Modern songs from 2009 I would be yeah I was not the biggest fan of that Star Wars show But yeah I think just given the source material I think I'd be like oh my god I'm so fucking hyped This was all so good oh my god Mickey showed up Mickey showed up in that avatar thing That's great that's outrageous that's unprecedented

I'm blown away by that Yeah so I think it'd be fun I just I have a fondness for the franchise What can I say He and Jake Sully did, like, a vaudeville, like, version of, like, you say potato, and I say, cutata. Look, could you imagine. I could, yeah. They should get on it.

That's a great live show to plug into California adventure in a couple years. But, you know, this, look, we're, I mentioned the Win Traders, and we're heading in a musical direction already. And that's why I, it's time to bring back the sacred tradition, something that, you know, has not happened in three years. Something that we did in every Avatar Way of Winter episode was the Amoticaa Carol in which we use the majesty

of song to officially combine Christmas and Avatar as we wish they always were. Unfortunately, it's only every couple of years. But right now, it truly is, it is magical out there. You drive by houses with twinkling Christmas lights. You drive by billboards that have a cron on them.

And Varong. Like, there's extra aesthetics. Everywhere you drive right now, and it really is the most wonderful time of the year. But I'm going to see if I can fuse these things and bring even a little more magic into the equation, because while Verong is getting a lot of the attention, including from me, and rightfully so, and I'm proud to wear Verong's face currently. There is another character who I think everybody is getting pretty hyped about, and I think you know who I'm talking about. I'm sure you're already flash into somebody I don't even want to say his name I'm going to let the song do the talking for

me but you know just a little hint he's the leader of the wind traders mentioned just a second ago but you know what I'm going to I'm going to do a little holiday ode to this new character who everybody can go meet today you can go there right now meet this guy which I know you've been hyped to do for for weeks and weeks and this is my rendition of a a Christmas song that means a great deal to me. Kelly, if you could. Ooh, trade that wind, fire and ash are drawing near. Ooh, well, in a little movie called Avatar 3, there's a cool nomadic tribe we can't

wait to see, and a real famous cat in a big orange glow. Trying to save the wind traders from the ash and smoke He's the little Palak He's the Chiefton Paylock Love that Just the Chiefton Paylock from the Tlawlem clan And the Navi word for chieftain is a low egg tan He flies around Pandora in his big airship

When he gets a burst of windman, just watch him rip He's the Little Paylock Little Paylock He's the chief in Paylock It's the Baylock A Wintrade Paylock A Wind Trade Paylock Wint Trade Baylock

Wintrade Baylock A wind trade Paylock And don't miss Spider And flying through the sky in his ship so dope Which looks like a jellyfish Or those things from nope He's played by David Thulis Who's a British guy

In the film Anomalisa, he sure made us cry. Now he's playing Palak. Playing Palak. He's the chief in Palak. Who, who, trade that wind. Fire and Ash are drawing near. Who, trade that wind. War rich is instilling fear.

Trade that win Your goddess has no dominion here Oh, trade that win-win-trader Wow Congrats, guys That is big I think I mean there's There's a guy online who like does like a beach boys

Like he shows you how beach boys Oh he's like Chris Crone music or something We watched his the harmony breakdowns he did a little St. Nick breakdown just in time for us to do this and by us I really mean my friend Tyler who I want to thank

who also got a sheet music out in order to now while my vocals were perfect stunning and beautiful as were yours Mike and I was off no no there were no mistakes made but I want to thank my friend Tyler Burton who did all of the background vocals there consulted sheet music who's a

classically trained vocalist in a very talented man, as well as a student of the Beach Boys. And we got some up close and personal training a couple weeks ago when he and I went to go see original Beach Boy, Al Jardine, at the Cerritos Civic Center with a pregame at the Cerritos Islands. This is one of the finest nights I've had in quite a long time. So thank you, Tyler. He's Parks Burton on Spotify and SoundCloud. But I was just going to say like that Chris, that Instagram account, you know, he ended up singing with the Beach Boys. Yes. Yes. Multiple. Yes, he was like, he was known on Instagram or maybe TikTok, I'm not sure where, for doing Beach Boys' harmony breakdowns, which do make you appreciate how much is going on in there and these little parts that are micro and barely separate from each other.

And then he got the nod from which I think, I think Mike Love hears like anyone's going lightly viral with Beach Boys material. Well, and you get, which makes me wonder. That's what I'm getting at. I'm just saying we can get this thing to go a little viral. Maybe you get the big dog taps you on the shoulder. and you get to go hang out with Mike Love that's the time you'll see it because you said you won't go see Mike Love

I'll know I will only see it when I'm on stage singing with him these Avatar movies these are popular how do we tap into this and he'll think you're in it we gotta do he'll think you're the bad guy in Avatar you know him from the avi

you know him as vering verring here he is Scott from Avatar you'll be at Mara Lago playing Victor from Avatar you and the Beach Boys

and Stamos at Mara Gladly, all my, all my personal policies and morals go out the window if I get to hang with the big dog. The worst cut of New York strip you've ever seen in your life. Rudy Giuliani, front row. You're going to have a Mike Carlson, a Mike Carlson ostrich incident. Yeah. But it was a great song and as great as the ostrich that's everyone's dinner tonight. So let's make this viral.

Let's go let this go viral. Let's make that viral, and let's make it viral even though, here we go. Spoilers, hey, spoilers, ha. I've had that song locked and loaded for months now. I've wanted to do that for such a long time. And that was the character I wanted to tribute. Now I've seen the film, once again, spoilers, hey, spoilers, ha. Skip the second ahead.

I wrote this whole ode to him based on the little bit of information that was available online about this character. Now that I've seen it, I believe two things are true, and I'm not totally sure. I believe that, one, Palak is not named in the movie. Yeah, I know. And two, he dies almost instantly. As you were singing the song, I went, who the hell was Palak again?

Well, thanks for joining in with Rapture's vocals. I don't think. Yes, he's easy to miss. Very funny, because I was sitting here going like, oh, I love David Thuilis, wonderful. Well, you are going to like, it is a good part, but I was disappointed that there wasn't more of him,

but all the more reason, you know, If you're going to make us go viral and we should be so lucky, don't do it for me. Don't do it to help me sing in front of Giuliani. Do it for Palak, because Palak deserve better. Palak is like the constable Zuvio of Avatar 3. Except he's in there. I guess you're right, he's in it. Zuvio is not in the movie.

He's a pseudo-Zuvio. Right. Well, anyways, that was fun. Thank you for helping. Thanks for enjoying. Sure. And thankfully, we are not done with music here in the Feliz Navidad special. We're going to take a quick break, and when we come back,

Stone's Throw recording artist, Kyle M, will be here. Welcome back to Falees, Navidad, chestnuts roasting on an open fire and ash. You know, it's the end of 2025 last episode of the year, and I think it's a good time to reflect on the year in art and culture, and most importantly, music. And when you think about music stories in 2025, there is one voice that has absolutely emerged as the defining musician of 2025. This year he released his acclaimed album, his acclaimed debut album, The Real Me, and now he's back with a holiday EP called Winter's Wish. Please welcome.

We're thrilled to welcome. Kyle M. Yeah. Hey. Kyle, him. Kyle, hello. That was awfully nice to you, Scott. I really appreciate that.

Oh, hey, absolutely. It's, it's no, you okay on space there? I don't know if I was doing the guitar. How did I put on the headphones that out? Well, you need the headphones if you want to hear Jason. Hi, Kyle. Hey, Jason, how are you? I always get a little confused by the podcast setup.

Everyone does it differently, you know? Right, right, yeah. You never plug into one and it's the same as everywhere. Yeah, exactly. You may also then want to, do you need to throw the cord behind the, oh, yeah, guitar neck. Just, you know, practical. I know, it's always.

such a like, okay, am I comfortable? Is this working? Is this, am I going to be able perform right? But you know what? The great thing about just making stuff generally, I don't know if you guys feel this way, it's just that it always ends up okay. You know what I mean? Like all of these anxieties, these, I was on the road this year. Oh yeah. And I just had so many, you know,

before every show, I still get the butterflies. I'm like, is this going to go right? Is this, you know, am I going to remember the lyrics? Am I going to remember the chords? And you know what? Sometimes I screw up, but it's still like is its own incredible presentation and I'm giving something that's like living and breathing to the audience so to me it's a win-win

situation you know that's really beautiful and the you know the human moments and you're not really here to talk about the avatar side of things but it's on my mind so I might just you know talk about avatar things here and there you know he does this the performance capture technique because he wants the human elements to be in there

he wants human experience and even human mistakes and he embraces that even in this this high tech world so I feel like I think that's similar to the way you work on stage. Yeah, you know, yeah,

I don't really do much of the movie, TV acting stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, like, I don't know, I can't speak to

the technological component you're referring to. No, that's not your world, no. But I do, I do know that these movies, they have that,

they have such a great message about, like, you know, taking care of the environment. And I think that's really, really cool. And I think a lot of people are,

there's so many people who are not doing stuff like that, who are not, you know, sort of stepping out of what they're used to to make to, to say something out loud like that. Like, hey, you know, we've got to look out for planet Earth. To come together for a common good and have a message.

And, you know, this being the year that you've sort of landed as a musician, I feel like you have not been afraid to, you haven't shied away from heavy messages and themes and, you know, things that might be difficult for people to hear, or things that are even too, personal. I think you've done a lot that's been very revealing. Yeah, yeah. This guy, and I got to say, this guy has always been a supporter. He's actually helped me on some of my projects.

I was going to say, I was going to wait for you to say, I'm not in it for the recognition. I'm in it, I'm in it to be creative and to make smart. And that is, and that is my goal is to, is to be creative, be artistic and be who I really am. You know, I did, I don't know, you know, some of your listeners or

audience members, I don't know, hello, everybody. Yeah, he had his video. That's what you've got to get on the pageant so you can see Kyle waving at you. You know, I used to do comedy-oriented stuff acting. I was on Saturday Night Live. I don't know if you're aware of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, big show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that was never really what I wanted to do. The music thing is something that I've always been excited by when I was a kid. That was my dream. And now I'm doing it. And I'm like, I'm here, like talking to, I'm at the Felice.

Felice Nami Dodd, chestnut, throws down an open fire. By the way, that's fucking, excuse my language, that's funny shit. Isn't that? I hope so. Scott came up with that.

I've been doing a lot of those and there was a song too that kind of combines like Christmas and Avatar. Oh, you didn't tell me you were doing a song. You missed it. You missed it. Was it Beatles or was it?

Pretty close. I did a Beach Boys. I did a Beach Boys. See, I've always said the Beach Boys are sort of the American Beatles. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I never thought about that.

Wow. I guess that is true. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, they kind of pushed and inspired each other. They sort of, you know, like, you know, the Beatles do Revolver and then Brian Wilson wants to do pet sounds. And do you can, do you feel like you have any sort of? By the way, look at this little music of fish you're not.

I had no idea you're into music. I'm a big music guy. I feel like we've talked about music here and there. Maybe I don't know. Maybe. Seeing you inspires me. I think, you know, I can get a little bit like I don't want to just, you know, like, be effusive and I live in snark.

I live in artifice a little bit. I'm even wearing literally like makeup and stuff right now. But I hear you talk about art that you're passionate about. And I see how happy you are. You're be more where you are. I want to talk about art that inspired me. You're doing great, Sky. You guys are all, all are doing great.

And I truly am such, you know, I love the podcast. You know, when I get a chance to listen to it. I mean, you guys have such a good report. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, Jason chimes in. and Mike and Scott. Which is like it's happening right in front of you. Yeah, it's like you're, well, you are on the show.

Yeah, you know, you did the show. You've been on the show kind of in your, in your past. That's true. If people don't know, you used to go like by your fold name, which I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I still do the, the way I look at it now is this is me. This is the real me. I'm Kyle.

This is what I've always wanted to do. This is how I want to be, I want to show myself to the world, right? Yeah. Kyle Mooney, unfortunately, like, that's sort of what I'm making. my name as and you know I have this body of work and I still do need to do some of that work occasionally mainly to support my family the music thing hasn't kicked off fully in a way that I can you know afford to take care of of my kid and stuff like that so I'm sorry to hear that why I mean I you know there's been issues of like you're really pushing the you've done a lot

of music videos and I know it's pretty vital to the like the future of your family that those videos go viral and that we were talking about about those pressures earlier about like really wanting and needing to get viral videos and i i know you some have and some haven't i know it's kind of a crap shoot and i that's probably been a tough part of the year yeah yeah um yeah i mean yeah i i would say you just i feel so confident and i'm so excited by what i'm making and getting the word out there is is difficult at times And, like, I've made videos such a wide range, like, types of videos. If you look at some of my older material, Blue Car, this is a song about, it's actually

going back to the Beach Boys. It's almost thought I detected that. Maybe less, not like PetSounds as much, but like the earlier stuff, like kind of the car songs. Am I right on? 409. Oh, it's very, yeah, yeah, classic stuff. And I don't know if you know Chuck Barry, that sort of older rock.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, he was like, he was an influence on them. He was very, like, without Chuck Barry, maybe you don't get the beach. I'm telling you. You gotta be doing it. Yeah, wow. But yeah, I had a video for that. I did a video for sort of a country western song.

I did called Kid on the Range. Yeah, yeah. The next video I did was a little bit of a mistake. I don't know how much we want to get into it, but it was for a song called Digital Society, which actually has a really, really great message. It's about putting down your phones, like stepping away from the computer.

It's a lot like Avatar, I would say. It's about human connection or in that case. You know, I saw the first movie. not seen the latest ones. Yeah, well, there was one three years ago way of water and we're doing a fire and out. That's why the time is, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know the billboards.

I'm going to, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but they're, yeah, I think they've only, like, in hand, they've only gone further in, in, in that message. So I think you appreciate it, having. Well, that's so, I mean, that makes me want to go watch that. I mean, I, do I have to stay here right now or can I go grab a, you know, well, yeah, you could. I don't want to, as we report it, it's not, not, listeners. I don't, probably no one's listening to this or watching this

because you're all out to be an avatar, but. Sorry about that. No, it's okay. It's hard to compete with a big Hollywood movie. It's out when they hear it, yes. Yes. Yeah. And that's the podcast, it's like, oh, you do record it now and it comes out later.

Is it live? Is it not? It's so weird. We love to comment on it and go like, oh, you probably haven't heard this one or this right and where and you're hearing it. You try to make it. It's so complicated, but like you said earlier, you know, it's all right in the end, you know? Exactly.

To get into theater of the mind, it's all right. Big time, big time. Jason gets it. But anyway, you were saying that you, like, you've kind of fucked up and made a mistake a little bit with one of your videos. Well, I did. Not you. No, no, no, it's okay.

I'm sorry. No, no, no. It's a sensitive thing. Truly, all good. And, like, it's something that comes with, you know, making stuff is having to confront controversy. You know what I mean? And talk about things that happen.

Yeah, yeah. Essentially what happened is I have a friend. I don't really want to name names well his name is Riley he made a video for me for the song Digital Society that uses

I don't know if you guys are aware of AI this technology I've noticed a lot of headlines about it Time Magazine Yeah I didn't heard of it until that Time magazine Yeah I didn't even know

Yeah okay oh I didn't even realize Oh that's incredible I didn't even know that AI was the person of the year Apparently Oh gee I got that well Yeah, yeah, we're hearing this for the first time, all of us, I think. But you made this video, I put it out. I didn't really know what AI was at the time, and I thought, oh, this actually looks pretty interesting.

Like, it actually, the graphics are actually really good, and I think the story. I will say I was blown away by a lot of the graphic. There's problems here and there. Sometimes, like, your head's a little bigger. Yeah, I don't know if I noticed that. But yeah, yeah, yeah. If you have to look very closely. Right, right.

Digital Society video. Yeah, but it was not, you know, audience. they were not very happy about it because I think there's a lot of again controversy associated with AI That's what I've yeah that's what the Time magazine article Jason says about it Yeah does it's controversial that I think they acknowledge it

Yeah you got to I mean that's that's part of it It's the future it's also everyone Looked sick Yeah Like the guys and girls on the cover They all look unhealthy Are they using AI to heal themselves I don't get it

I don't know what you do if you're coming out with an AI cold I don't know the kids Oh boy Yeah Maybe some computer chips Oh yeah That's good that's good

That's good Yeah I'm not you know I'm focused on the music right now I know yeah I know I guess you even make you We're even making you talk at all I know you're probably like

Get me to the music Let me do music This is actually good change of pace Okay yeah Well that's nice to hear But you you You encountered some controversy but you, you know, I think it's very brave of you to acknowledge the controversy and to, to say that I messed that, well, no, that I didn't, not that you messed up, but that someone, you empowered someone to mess up, although they sort of did it behind your back. Whatever you're saying, I thought was very brave. Oh, thank you so much. Yeah. And I, and I just wanted to be honest with my fans, you know what I mean? And I, and I want to do right by them. And, and, and, and I want to do right by them. And, and,

I really appreciate that because I wanted to tell the truth you know what I mean like that this person made this thing I did it was put out under my name I didn't know what the video was exactly I had never heard of AI

but it was put out on my Instagram and my YouTube I storied it and you know I tried to get as many people to see it as I could but I didn't know that this really maligned technology technology

used to make, well, I mean, some of it looked so polished, almost like an avatar film. You probably just thought, got this guy's access to unbelievable graphic artists and stuff. I didn't know, yes, I thought, exactly. Geez, well, I'm just, I'm sorry that you got deceived in that way and that you've apologized and you took the video down. Oh, the video is still up, but I kind of actually wanted to keep it up as sort of a reminder of what not to do. And I actually, and I don't know if you're listeners or audience member or, I'm saying, listeners or watchers. Let's see who knows what it is right now, whatever they want to do. I would actually encourage you all to check out the Digital Society video just to see what not to do and then compare it to some of my other videos like Blue Car, Kid on the Range.

And then one of my latest videos for Mrs. Claus is getting down, which uses no, a, eye, all humans. Okay, well, now this is good. Now you can say that. That's like putting organic on a package. It felt so good. You know, you don't need AI. Santa Claus, Miss Claus, they have magic, you know? Absolutely.

Yeah, and Christmas magic. When you got Christmas magic, why he said it on. We try to capture that magic as much as possible. Oh, great. I mean, I thought it was a lot of fun. Alicia Silverstone, fantastic. Yeah, yeah, that was really, really, really. Well, those 90s kids, we're excited to see if you were such a big 90s.

Yeah, yeah, totally. Jason said he liked it. I think we kind of missed that. Oh, I just said, Alicia. to a Silverstone, legend, clueless. You might remember her from Clueless. Yeah, I thought she was great in the video. Well, I mean, that brings us to Winter's Wish.

That's one of the great tracks on your new. You've already gifted us with so much amazing music all year. It almost feels like we're like we're full for, like we already had Christmas dinner and dessert. Then you're giving us more dessert, but I'll take it. I'll find more room for dessert. That's, yeah, that's awfully kind of you there, Scott. You know, it is, I don't know how you all feel, you know,

you're all creative people. And, you know, there's just that drive inside of me to make stuff. And, you know, whether people were listening or watching, I'd still be out there writing songs and performing them whenever I could. So for me, it's just how I live. It just flows out of you. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's like the connection between, sorry to keep telling you at the Avatar,

but I feel like that it's almost this otherworldly connection you have, like to your guitar or piano or whatever you're writing on. And the way that when Jake Sully rides, when he becomes Tarukhawkot and is on the Ikron, Like, that fusion is just like other, it's, you know, transcends, you know, a connection that you've even been aware of until now. I've never thought, that is, yeah, I guess you're right. Like, this thing is like, by the way, for the listeners, I'm holding my guitar. This thing is like another appendage, you know, it's like, I, you know, I'm like walking around like, hey, you know, people see me coming down the street. They're like, something about you looks weird.

And it's like, yeah, I got my guitar. I'm not just, you know, two arms, two legs. But you forget, you forget you have it. Which do be careful just about, like, because the mic is close to you. It just might mess up the performance if it's too close and too. Yeah, just be careful. Also, didn't, like, because you said, you're going to perform a song, and you sent us the track, but the track doesn't. I thought you were just singing to the track.

I didn't know you were going to, like, do you need the guitar or for that song, or is it just for, like, in case we do anything else? Well, like I said, I always have my guitar. It just feels good to have it, I bet. Yeah, you're right. You think that comes first. Yeah, the song I will be performing does not use my guitar or I don't need my guitar for it. Okay. And I'm happy to hold my guitar.

I could put it behind me. I just like, when I come in, I'm like, I want to be ready, you know, in case Mike is like, hey, you know, do you know, let it be, you know. Yeah. Oh, wow. He's doing it. You know, I'm just, you know, I'm just, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we, wait, wait, can you do a little bit more to, do it? Jason, how do you feel about singing Let It Be?

I know there might be a lag or something. Let's just give it a shot. Oh, I don't know. He's embarrassed. You're sure? You can do a little. I know McCartney. Just do the chorus.

I think I'm bringo. I don't even think I'm bringing out. Oh, geez. That's all some, I guess. Well, I mean, there's an idea we could do a little sing-along. House of the Rise and Sunny. You know that one? Oh, there's a classic, yeah.

Oh, I mostly know the Jeremy. That is it, yeah. That's just like on the record. That sounds exactly right. A house in New Orleans. Wow. They call the rising sun. Now you've got him too.

It's been a ruin for many. I don't know the lyrics honestly I know I'm lonely Wow Wow how do you remember songs like that You hear him so many times

You practice Sometimes if I'm flubbing I'll just you know I'll make something up you know I don't know if you know the story about Paul McCartney When he wrote yesterday Oh I don't know if I've heard of that It's scrambled eggs

Oh I don't know She has such nice legs You imagine He put it out as that. Yeah, the new Beatles single scrambled. Yeah. Yeah, like the Frasier's song.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Paul McCartney was maybe ahead of his time there. Just put in a toss salad and then it's basically that. Oh, my God. This is great. You know, and what was the Eric Burton in my race? From the animals, yeah. Exactly.

Yeah, I'm sorry. Professor Scott over here. Yeah, Eric Burden was with the animals. They were a British group. I don't know if you guys are aware of the British invasion. Beatles were part of it. I mostly know the Beatles. But there were other bands.

Jerry and the Pacemakers. And Eric Burden, this is getting really sort of deep in there and obscure. He was in another band after the animals called War. And this was more of like a funk soul group. They had some great songs. I don't know if you've ever heard, why can't we be friends? Oh, yeah. Well, this guy knows the Smashout version.

That's what I know. Oh, that was more later bands. Yeah, they were a few years after the animals. They were a little bit after the year. Yeah, not quite, not British in me, because they aren't British, right? They're not British, no. But Steve Harwell's voice, sometimes people might be confused because he has a little bit of an accent. Yeah.

But it's more of an affect. It's more of a singing affect. But, you know, Billy Joe Armstrong, too, some people thought was British. Is there right? From Green Day. You know, I still. Some of that punk rock when I was. Oh, you did.

Wow. Ooh. My mind is stuck and thick overdrive. Oh my gosh Wow How do you remember that? How do you remember to play like that? Because we didn't

Here's what I'll say like We didn't prepare that beforehand I just was talking about We didn't talk about Green Day And then you're just like Playing the chords He's gonna sing to some and there's not And for listener for people just listening

You don't have the chords in front of you No yeah this is just I remember hearing that Because that Green Day I'm from San Diego And we sort of have pop punk Right right Where I come from

Where I come from We had a band called Blink 1282 I don't know if you guys remember that Yeah, I think I know them. Yeah, Green Day was another big band, and I remember, yeah. On my own, here we go. Yeah. Wow.

It almost reminds me of, wait, right. Wow. Does it come with me, the Puff Daddy song? Well, Scott, you don't. Interesting that you bring that up. Yeah, that's, wait. Wow, wow. Oh my God, he's doing Puff Daddy.

It's not Puff Daddy. Matthew Broder at Godzilla. It's like Matthew Broderick just walked in here. Oh, my God. That is, sorry to be a little, you know, history lesson guy. That actually, that riff, that guitar riff originated from Led Zeppelin. They have a song called Kashmir, and the Godzilla people sampled that. Oh, wow.

I was kind of based on an original. I remember he would play with this guitar guy. So the guitar guy is from. Jimmy Page is the name. Oh, yeah, I haven't thought of Jim Page and age it. Jason loves Jim Page. He's an incredible guitarist that played with Led Zeppelin. And actually Led Zeppelin, a lot of those members were in a later incarnation of the band

Yardbirds. And the Yardbirds, they also had Eric Clapton in them at a time. I believe Jeff Beck maybe as well. The Yardbirds, going back, they were one of those British Invasion groups. So it comes all. Oh, wow. I've seen Jeff back in all those Johnny Depp music videos I watch. That's the guy that Johnny Depp would go out of line.

That's who that is. Okay. This is what's great is that you start looking in liner notes and like looking at who played what. Study. It's homework. It's homework, right? Right. But if that's your homework, you don't mind.

It's fun homework. Exactly. It's like, yeah. The school was cool. it is yeah wow geez yeah yeah uh well this i mean so so much of this must be feeding into but but that's a question do you consider yourself like that you're synthesizing a lot of influences or do you feel like what you're doing is very individual and kind of its own thing you know i mean i've always been like you know like i said a student of music and the beetles are a big band i love i love

maybe the maybe beetles i'll just hear a hot take beetles might be the greatest band of all time uh i'm gonna be right there with you scott i agree yeah i think they've got so many hits you talk about because they went from the older sort of poppy stuff to they had the psychedelic period. Yeah, yeah. And then, I don't know if you guys ever after, so they broke up in about

1969, 1960, then they all had solo careers and that stuff is actually really, really good too. There's a lot of good of the records that they put out. Even though they weren't all together. Yeah, still they're talented, like four talented guys, four talented ass guys.

I gotta check some of that out again. Yeah, that's a good. That's a good. A good tip for the listeners. I don't know if you've seen it. There's this on, you know, we think about Disney Plus because we like theme parts, but Disney Plus has this documentary about kind of the arrow that they were breaking up. It shows you all this. You get to see Paul McCartney thinking up some of the songs.

That's called Get Back was the name of it? Get Back. Oh, yes. Get Back. Yeah, yeah. And you get to see it like the song, yeah. And you get to see him actually come up with the, like, when he was thinking up, get back. You get to watch it, yeah.

I did not know that existed. Dude, if you're a Beatles, and you and knowing you're a Beatles, man, you, you gotta check that out. Yeah, yeah. And it's like 40 hours long, right? Like, it's full work week. Yeah, that'll say, that'll think about it.

If you can fit it in, if you aren't so busy promoting the EP that, you know, that you, maybe, maybe that's when you get a little winter's rest. You watch that. Hey, maybe, yeah, maybe a little PTO, you know, musicians deserve pay time off too. Yeah, I wouldn't, yeah, yeah. I'll take whatever I can get.

But, you know, like I said, I'm always creative. and so it's well let's let's hear some of the the fruits of your recent oh please creativity uh uh because i i think i'm gonna actually we'll just take it up okay and remember that the headphones are the headphones are now in your strap so be careful about that and don't hit the these aren't our we've only recorded your once before so we don't want any trouble don't you got it don't bang the microphone hey it's not always pretty you know bring in a creation in this world whether it's an album or an e-bee or baby hey jason sorry give me one second i can't Jason, we can hear you, but just maybe repeat some of that now that the headphones are on. Sorry, buddy, give me one second.

Oh, okay, yeah. Don't repeat it yet. Repeat it when he has the headphones. No, no, yeah. He's going to put the guitar down. I'm going to share a separate thought that's not related to Kyle with us while Kyle puts his guitar down. Yeah, something about Avatar theme parks or, yeah, or like, what did you need for breakfast or something like?

Oh, I had a bowl of that, like, Trader Joe's vanilla plates with granola. This stuff's lighting the set, too. I think Scott and I have talked about it before. It's like really solid. It's really good in filling. Sorry, I'm not. I'm just trying to make sure. Because we got all these like knick-knacks and props.

And that's my avatar book. I think that's good over. I think you should be good. I think we're fine. Okay, everybody, yeah. All right, so we're good on the guitar. Okay, so now you're unencumbered. Is this okay to like, because we're, like,

you're not so much in the comedy space, but these are very like podcast microphones. Are you okay to record the song? Yeah, I usually do. I'm usually up, standing around, holding a microphone and singing. You're rocking the mic, yeah, yeah. I can, you know, I can make whatever work.

Okay, okay, cool. Would it help you to, I mean, like, you can't, like for lighting and for the shots, you can't stand all the way. Yeah, because you'll be out of the frame. Yeah, because you'll be out of the frame. You could stand a little and hunch a little, but that might, that might be more distracting than anything.

Where, he's a pro, he's a pro, he'll make it work. What is my, what is my frame out of curiosity? Let's, let's see, let's see. Is he still, is it, okay, Kelly, Kelly's helping us out. Are I in? Now you're in. Okay.

Mostly in. I go back here, am I better? Yeah. But is it, I mean, you're in. I don't know if it's better. Check. Does it feel better for you? I mean, I, you know, I definitely want to, you know, I like to give the audience what they deserve, you know, and when that's a full show.

Yeah. You know, so I'm not, I'm not used to sitting down and playing. We're not in the live music space. really done like a sound check on this stuff that you're used to. Is that better? Is that anything? I guess. Does it like hurt your knees, though? To listen to Jesus. Can you stay like that for like five minutes? Yeah, I think so. That's not that long of a song. Am I, am I okay? You look the same as when you were sitting. Okay. Sorry. So it's a, I mean, it's a lateral move. Okay. Um, it's really up to you. And hey, thanks, Kelly. Uh, everyone check out,

team creeps on the forever dog. That's a good. That's a good. My wife's podcast with Kelly. He's got out of a gift. He got the place wrong. Okay. Don't, not on forever dog. He's a season of giving. He doesn't know who's on a Herald team anymore. He doesn't know what podcast is on a network anymore.

He doesn't know Kyle's been off Saturday Live for a year. He's a music guy now. He was saying, is he promoting the Christmas episode? Is he promoting Ariana Grande? No, you're going to add to this week's episode. I said, Jason, it's very light. You haven't even heard. I don't know.

I've been hanging out in hospital. So, you know, it might be a little behind on something. They play reruns in hospitals. You weren't there for three years. Well, I don't know. How do you feel? I think I'm going to use the chair. I think the chair makes sense.

Okay, go for the chair, yeah. But it's like you, you know, like as an artist, you try different paths and maybe they don't all work, but you got to. What's the, you know, what's, what's today's outfit that's going to fit the best, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. Paul McCartney, he did an album called Chaos and Creation in the backyard. And I think we're getting some of the chaos and some of the creation. But it all works out. At the end, yeah, but don't touch, yeah.

But it all works out, as you say, I mean, hopefully this does. And then you're kind of wrestling the mic, too. Layla. Yes. Oh, my gosh. That's a good song, too, yeah. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Down me all my knees.

Wow, yeah, yeah. It was like Layla was happening. Well, they didn't unplug a couple different versions. Yes. Yes, it was kind of big as a hit again, which is very rare. Yeah. Well, tell us about the song that you're going to perform here. Yeah, so this, uh, this is a song called Winter's Wish.

It's actually from my, holiday ep called winter's wish um it has a message that i do uh again feel um is important i feel strongly about and uh yeah just you know i don't i don't i can't tell you if it's good or not that's going to be up to you guys to decide but um yeah i played every single instrument uh i sang every single lyric wrote every lyric on the record mccartney yeah that's what i've heard he does yeah yeah uh but yeah Just another little ditty I wrote. Oh, so I'm excited. All right.

Well, then here, I get to be sort of talk show guy a little bit. All right. Here with a cut from his new holiday EP, Winter's Wish. Give it up for Kyle M. Christmas is such a magical time of the year. The jolly old man bringing joy with his. flying reindeer. Yeah, the lights shine

oh so bright. The tree stands so tall. But if you're not here with me, it's not Christmas at all. You're my favorite gift. I wish I could

unwrap. A winter's that I beg for on Santa's lap Yeah, you're perfect in every way You're very smart and you look so great That's why on this Christmas day I want to meet you baby Jesus Whoa, I love that little baby

I want to hold him and tickle his feet He's so cute, it makes me crazy. Santa, please bring that Savior to me. No ifs, ands or maybe. I promise I'll treat him right. And if I don't, he can save me. Because he's little, but he's Jesus Christ. So Mr. Claus, I guess it's up to you.

I want this so much, but I know you got a lot to do. Just please keep me in mind as you and Rudolph are flying and maybe in your bag you'll find my baby Jesus. Merry Christmas, everybody, and I hope everybody has a very happy New Year. Wow. Great work. Kyle M. Kyle M.

That's how you do it. You know. He doesn't even have the lyrics in front of them. It takes, it, how do you remember that? You don't have a legal pad or pen. You know, I write the songs, and then I listen to them over and over again to get ready to perform. That's how you do it. He's a road dog.

He's a pro. After this year, he's a pro. And you know what? I know art is subjective. or whatever, but you know, you asked a question before, if it's up to us to decide, Kyle, that was good. It was better than good. I agree.

I mean, for the listeners, I'm holding my heart right now. That means so much to me. The song is about, you know, a gift that I would like, and that is to meet baby Jesus. Because I think, obviously, he's almighty. I don't need to say that out loud, but the baby Jesus, when you see them in the nativity, so cute.

I'm sorry. Yeah, just even on besides the magic. And I don't mean that in a creepy way, I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah. Even like a particularly cute baby, just on the scale of baby cuteness, even beyond the stuff that he grows up to day. That's really nice.

I hope you get your wish. I hope you get to see. I mean, I don't know how that plays out. It might be when I passed. I don't know when it'll happen, but. Oh, yeah. When you go to the kingdom of heaven? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay. Okay. Well, I hope that doesn't happen. yet is it's been a big year I would like some more time if I can have it yeah yeah of course but it'd be a hell of a way to you know I don't want to go to hell yeah okay let's sorry let's strike that word from the record but you'd sort of join the pantheon of you know oh artist who died very I mean like you think about the jamming that happens in heaven oh my god I sometimes yeah wow rock and roll heaven if you imagine being in rock and rock cafe but in heaven they're all

there it's not just their stuff It's there on there. Hendricks. Yeah, he would have to be there. Beethoven. Oh my God. Louis Armstrong. Geez.

Oh, man. All the kinds of genres. Slinging the famous burgers. Well, yeah, I bet the food is great, but I think the music would be incredible. Steve Harwell. Oh, yeah. Definitely Steve Harwell from Smash Mouth will be up there.

Are any of the Beatles? Yes, a couple of them are dead. So they'd be there. John Lennon and George Harrison. John Lennon and George Harrison are the ones who are dead. So they'd be there too. But I hope that you're not there. I hope you're there someday.

but not today. I would love to just visit. I would love to, you know, and I know sometimes I hear about in the hospital or some people could have, they could have a near-death experience where they are dead for a little bit and then they come back.

If there's a situation where, you know, I was to have something were to happen to me, I would die for a little bit, get one chance to play with, you know, Stevie Ray Vaughn or something like that. Come back and be like, and then, you know, maybe then I'd, yeah, there you go.

And maybe come back and then perform and have that knowledge if I got to play with one of the greats you know what I mean and bring that knowledge back there's like if you can only have like an avatar in heaven yes yeah

you could transport in another body like avatar does with Pandora well they now do they plug into the underwater flower plant spoilers for the second one not for the fur I don't need to do the spoiler song but they like they kind of you can plug in and like get one moment

with someone who mattered to you who died because it's in your memory right right so if you could so probably so if you have memories of growing up listening to some of these great records, you might be able, on Pandora, you could plug into a plant and then be with them. Oh, yeah, no to AI, yes,

to underwater memory plants, right? Right, absolutely. Yeah, we don't have it, but if we had it, I mean, I'm just thinking, like, yeah, who, I've got to ask, okay, you could, you could jam with any musician who's passed on, who would have been. Ooh, geez.

Elvis? The king, they call him the king. They call him the king for a reason. I mean, I go to Prince, but like, what am I going to do? What am I going to bring to the tip? Prince is the one man show. He's one of those one-man bands like you. He's going to go do everything.

But, you know, I don't need to jam. I'll just tap my toes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just put your arm around him and say, hey, good job, buddy. Thanks for the music. Yeah, yeah. Jason? Oh, gosh. Is Tennessee Ernie Ford still with us?

There's no way. From the way that he's named. I can't imagine that he would be. The singer of 16 tons? Well, you know who he is. Yeah, okay. But no, I believe he passed away. I actually don't know if I know that one.

Oh, he did, well, it's an old, he's an old kind of country, well, but the country adjacent maybe. Kind of labor focus. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know a ton about him. I don't want to act like I'm some expert. So there's one that you couldn't just cover, but that's a, you know, but there's so many great artists to experience. It's, I mean, like, that would be the reason. That would be the reason. to die.

I feel like it's just to go to that great concert. Yeah. Wait, is you have number one in the list? I mean,

you said some of those names. Oh, man. Now you put me in the hot sheet. That's stuff, I know. On the way out of the door here, making it ass

the toughest thing. Hendricks would be amazing. Of course, Lennon and Harrison. Oh, man. But who, you know, I was from Janice Joplin.

Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Jim Morrison's another one. Yeah. Right, right. I'm going to say, you know

I'm gonna go with this is now this is something you might not imagine have you guys are you aware of Miles Davis I've heard the name I've heard the name so he's a jazz performer

like blue like Navi blue yes yeah yeah he has an album called kind of blue I would be really I haven't heard much of his music I want to check it out but just I feel like

he would be a great person to be around yeah yeah it would be a good way to experience music is just yeah yeah he's big at like record stores and stuff well he's not around anymore no i mean but his music like like a record store guy might oh right right right he's a good like oh sure sure sure yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a cool record stores cool places to check out music and your epe is available on vinyl winter's wish uh uh just like the the classic way they used to put are the classic albums out yeah i love old records uh you know like there's there's just a sound from vinyl

that you don't get with MP3s and wave files and like and I'll listen to some music like that but the record and you just performed off of the MP3 but which you'll do it was actually a wave it was a wave file but that's a little it's a little the wave file is is can

carry a little more data I think it's I've been told that it doesn't I don't know if it like maybe keep some of the high and low ends that the MP3 doesn't have but the wave is actually a little better than I see this is you know last night Tyler who my friend who sent me the tree did all the harmonies in my beach boy.

So he asked MP3 or Wave. And I was like, I don't think it matters. You've just taught me. Yeah. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that, that's, that, that, that's, that he offered it, too, Tyler, sorry. Well, I'm learning. This is great.

You know, we're, we're, we're, we're all learning and kind of sharing, uh, you know, just musical experiences and approaches. And this is so great. I guess, I guess, I guess I'll say, Kyle M., you survive podcast, The Ride. The first true musical guest in the history of the show, yeah, in eight years or so. Thank you so much for having. I'm so impressed by the knowledge you guys have. I was it because, like, you were naming every band I've ever heard of.

I know some still. Yeah, yeah, I'll go about, yeah. Zombies. Hey, Mike's the tastemaker, we call him. Maybe Scott is the music master. Maybe that's Scott's name. Somebody else is going to have to call that out. I'm too humble to take that.

He's a name. I believe it. I'm really impressed. Oh, geez. I'm blushing. You can't see because I've already got red makeup on

but under that I'm blushing. What do the songs of zombies do? She's not there is the big one and then time of the season but then the album

that that's from is called Odyssey and Oracle I've heard about that one that's a record store if you like Pet Sounds you do Odyssey and Oracle. Pet Sounds is amazing

that's later Beach Boys yeah yeah that's kind of yeah well they were they got like the orchestra as part of so many musicians absolutely yeah yeah yeah

well geez well you know your stuff too. Anything else you want to say about Winter's Wish? Yeah, sure. Like Scott mentioned, it's on vinyl at a stone's throw.com. That's the record label who's, you know, who's put out the album and

Real Me's is available there as well. And it's just been, it's been a really incredible year. Getting the chance to be myself, to be artistic, to be creative. And I want to thank you all for giving me this platform today to talk about my music.

And now I'm like, I've got to go see this movie. You got to check this movie. Mostly I've been watching rock docs. Oh, sure, of course. That makes sense. But now I'm like, oh, this thing you're, because it's not this one where they go to heaven. There's sort of, and well, none of it's quite heaven. It's the AWAS, their God.

And they sort of, it's kind of this, like, nebulous, like, web of shared information and memories that they go to. It's pretty, but see it in the theater. Okay. And maybe, I don't know if you partake in a little bit of, like, Ereble Oh, that I'm not going to talk about on camera Or on microphone Yeah, oh yeah, he's not going to talk about

He's a musician He stock up on your Delta 8 and Delta 9 to hemp They does the, you know, budget They did stuff next fall It's got to kick in So stock up now, you know It's a hill talking about he's willing to talk about it Yeah

A tastemaker, music master, drug boy Yeah That's what we call him The weed toker The weed toker. The weed toker. Okay, that maybe is better. The Joker? Steve Miller, yeah.

Oh, hey, I don't know if I know those. How would you even play this? We didn't plan this before. I'm a Joker. I'm a Toker. I'm a Midnight. Could you play us out? I play the music while Scott does the exit stuff?

Oh, yeah. Well, it doesn't have to be that. Is there something else? Like, anything that you want to play maybe is like, because this has been a musical episode. I got to do like plugs and stuff for like our page. Oh, sure. Is there anything you can play?

And then maybe we can all join a, you know, it could be a, let it be anything you're anything yeah i could do that i mean like if we need the door dash you a legal pad and a pen we can't see that's very nice of you Jason but I don't think he's got it I think he's got it yeah I don't think so I don't think so I don't think so I'll just try to make it be polite for I guess I mean let it be always let's do let it let it be just do it instrumentally and we'll close it at a What a nice way to close out. Oh, my God.

You just tell me when. You just start. I'll be talking over it, but then we'll, so don't sing yet, but then we can all join it. Okay. Wow. All right. And with that, you survived. Podcast, The Ride, 2025 on the main feed.

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