Podcast: The Ride - Final Four 5: Vehicle Vengeance

Episode Date: March 31, 2023

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Really, you can customize any options. Anything you want. You're experiencing this. Multi-desk. Do something else as you consume it. Anything you want. The choice is yours be there ride vehicles the way we get around on our favorite rides there are unlimited options when it comes to these fantastical modes of transit. But which one is best? Which vehicle can win a highly competitive bracketed tournament scenario? Listen as the tracked take on the trackless,

coasters take on kitty cars, and logs take on dogs. It's Final Four Five, Vehicle Vengeance, on Podcast The Ride. the ride Welcome to Podcast the Ride Final Four Five, Vehicle Vengeance. A high-octane but even more highly nerdy battle to determine the best vehicle in theme park history. Here to see through this history is me, Scott Gairdner, also Mike Carlson. Hi, Mike Carlson here here i'm soaked with adrenaline and testosterone i'm just uh it's certainly like with the testosterone is out of your body and on

on your skin now so yes the adrenaline is outside my body uh the reason i say this because i used to work on a clip show called sports crash and whoever was writing clips, they would call a racer like a car racer an adrenaline soaked throttle jockey. So I always think about being soaked in adrenaline from that. So I'm stealing it, honestly. But it is true. I am soaked in adrenaline. Wait, sorry, call what type of vehicle?

Like a guy racing a car. A person, not the vehicle. Not the vehicle, yeah. I was wondering if that the driver was applicable for any of the vehicles we're gonna go that's today possible or do they make you feel like an adrenaline soaked throttle jockey throttle jockey let me make sure i have that phrase down adrenaline soaked throttle jockey while i introduce adrenaline soaked throttle jockey jason sheridan yeah uh sorry drew barrymore's character and donnie

darko cellar door is no longer the most beautiful phrase in the english language it's adrenaline soaked throttle jockey that was i'm knocked back by that jason took us on a lot of door that's something that's right in that movie i it said i think it's a reference to a writer or a poet who claimed that, you know, it's not an original Donnie Darko-ism. I think it's meant to be a paradox, like the Zen riddles, you know. The Zen, like, I'm forgetting the name of them now. The things you're meant to meditate on and consider. I see. This is a piece of pop culture I did not know or have forgotten.

Oh, okay. So that's the only reason I look dumbfounded. I was a real annoying 18-year-old. I had all the good posters. That's the entire, that describes the audience of Donnie Darko entirely. Yeah. That's every member of the audience. Oh, Donnie Darko, Fight Club, Pulp Fiction,

all the good college posters. But there's some, I would argue there's a specific non-annoying audience members of these other films. Oh, yeah. Donnie Darko, entirely annoying. I mean, partially, I think,

replicated and bought as much as it did because Donnie Darko usually cost nine or $10 and was available at every Best Buy. So you liked it because it was a budget film. Yeah. I loved budget DVDs. It's artsy and cheap.

So like LA Confidential was always $15. Really? Donnie Darko was like $9, $9, $9. Do you remember the specific prices of DVDs? This is a fascinating discussion, but we really have so much to get through. I really want to keep digging into your memories of how much DVDs cost. We should just try to, if you can remember a price as kind of a chaser after every round.

If you can remember the price of a DVD that you bought, just try to throw it in there. I love it. If they're not in your head, whatever. But okay. So it's the fifth Final Four, if you can believe it. Final Fours, which are, of course, where we take 16 topics. And there is a Final Four in there somewhere. Eventually. So the title is accurate.

Right. Got it. I think we will see no comments this year saying, the boys don't even understand how the brackets work. Yeah, don't worry. It's so cute hearing how the boys don't even know actually how brackets work. Guess what, everyone? We've heard your thoughts and comments, and we've made it even stupider. Yeah, that's true we are look we're changing it up this year because i think the first four final fours were kind of of a piece

and part of that piece is that the word fake was in the title that was always part of it stemming from fake rocks and the things kept being fake but today the word fake is out this is all too real this is a very serious topic we're determining an actual thing um a thing that needed to be determined i don't know i i'm not sure i think it'll be interesting no it's still not and it's still an arbitrary split up of elements yeah of rides but that's one thing I think to make clear about this, that we are talking ride vehicles specifically, not rides. Right. So as classics are thrown out and butt heads,

we have to remember we're not talking about the quality of the ride. We will be very cruel to rides that are very excellent, but that's not, we're talking about just what you're sitting in. Yeah, so when we're talking about what we're sitting in, let me ask you this. Do you consider how the vehicle moves on the track? Is that part of our process today? Novelty, you're saying.

No, I'm saying more of like is the ride smooth or are we just judging sitting in and the aesthetics of the vehicle this is tough we haven't talked about this that's what i think something you got to be careful of is are we describing the track right are we talking because this isn't a competition of tracks i agree the vehicle does on the track so i think we need to restrict to just if we had the right vehicle in this garage and we were sitting in it and looking at it. Yeah. So are you saying this is tough. Are you saying that what it does movement wise.

Irrelevant. But are there not vehicles that what it what it does is inside the the vehicle yeah it's kind of a piece i think i think these could be considered intangibles like oh well i can't quite describe it but it well we better figure out how to describe it because this is a podcast we're gonna have to think of some words it sounds like i've been outvoted as far as my feelings uh well i don't i don't think so i think you've just maybe not made that a criteria for jason and i i think you're allowed to make any if you want to not involve movement in any of your choices i'm gonna try to not involve movement that's great okay that's good well look and i don't you know uh and we'll we'll dig in we don't have to talk about criteria forever.

But a movement, it certainly isn't like, it's not number one on my list. I feel like the phrase iconic is in my head. The word, the phrase you might say. Iconic is in my head, and part of that being, would I want a toy of this? Sure. Is there a toy of the vehicle? Should there be a toy of the vehicle? Not crucial, but it's going to help, at least my votes. this sure is there a toy of the vehicle should there be a toy of the vehicle not crucial but

it's it's it it's gonna help at least my votes the phrase the phrase is toyetic is the ride vehicle toyetic and you're which you're hearkening to joel schumacher in his discussion of batman forever i hearken most or batman and robin which had to be extremely toy. I, most things I try to tie back to Joel Schumacher and Batman forever or Batman and Robin. Uh, so yes, yes. Now. Okay. Maybe I'll think about the movement in this way.

If the movement was just, if you, if the ride was just in a parking lot and there was nothing around it, there was no pre-show, there was no lights, there was no Aerosmith, what would be, what would be the experience? I feel like that's going to be impossible for you to, to remove the Aerosmith, what would be the experience? I feel like that's going to be impossible for you to remove the Aerosmith fully from. Because again, we want to talk, so that's an Aerosmith soaked throttle machine. Yes. The stretch limo, not to give away too many of the things we're talking about. What people don't know about the Rockin' Roller Coaster in Orlando is that they, you know, like popcorn smell, they pipe in.

They actually pipe in Steven Tyler's adrenaline into the room at the pre-show to get you revved up. Because he has very specific adrenaline. That's great. That's something you want piped in. Yeah. You can. You get a mist of Steven Tyler's adrenaline. This is not the first time you've discussed his bodily fluids being on you yeah

there was one where you sit you said that you wanted to go to the deuces wild show yeah and for him to like breathe it on you or spit on you or sneeze on you or that you would get covet i wanted to get coveted from steven tyler in the in the general admission pit at Aerosmith deuces our wild Las Vegas residency. This is, again, you know, to like imagine two vehicles racing next to each other. And I feel like we started at the same starting line with Aerosmith and started moving at the same pace. And the first that we talked about it, which was like, oh, I like the song Jaded. You like the song Jaded? Oh, do you also want to get his spittle all over you?

You're way past me. I stall way back towards the starting line. You're just trying to get some of that rich guy adrenochrome. You know, you're just trying to get some spray. Oh, well, that's a whole other story. Yeah. That's a whole other part. And I'm distracted.

I'm at the Hershey's store about half a block away from that venue. You're soaked in adrenaline for a different reason. Yeah. Because you're around so much chocolate. You'd rather have chocolate than old man spittle? An old creepy man spittle? This is going to be the hottest the hot take that starts us off.

I would rather have chocolate than old man fluid. Yeah. All right. To each his own. Jason, any criteria for you? Is anything like a singular aspect of the decisions you'll be making uh well i think you know i i scott i i mentioned novelty and i think the the toyetic as my put it that your version of like would i want this as a toy

like is this aesthetically pleasing to look both look at and sit in? Yeah. I think is good. I think the, is it pleasant to sit in might come into play. What are the safety restraints? Not judging by like, oh, that's the very old version. And this is the very new version. Oh, yeah. And are the safety restraints uncomfortable or are they like part of the pleasantness? Yeah. Is it like a warm hug from mommy, is it like a warm hug from mommy?

Is it like a warm hug from mommy? Does it make you feel safe, or does it make you feel... Because I've ridden some roller coasters where I was like, this actually makes me feel worse. Uh-huh. I think if I just... The thing is so rickety. Yeah.

This is all I got. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I hadn't thought about restraints being part of it, but that is, is part of it. And do we have to dock points if it's just a, just a strap or if it doesn't really need a,

I guess you can't hold that against it in something where, you know, some of these vehicles, it's like part of the, the, the body of it is where you sit. But if, if it's,

if the seats are kind of different than if they're like added furniture to the ride vehicle, is that part of it? I guess it is. Yeah, I think it has to be part of it. I guess anything in the vehicle, including decor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess, you know, if you're judging a car, you would count the air freshener.

Yeah, of course. Or lack thereof. Right. Yeah. I mean, I guess, you know, if you're judging a car, you would count the air freshener. Of course. Or lack thereof. Right. Yeah. So, all right. These are all things we'll be taking into consideration. And here's another way that we're going to depart from previous Final Fours. Well, a couple things. In the past, we've kind of worked up appropriate thematic pairings. You know, like these two are sort of similar in these ways. These two fake theme parks are both from films released in 1994. They should go up against each other.

In this case, not only have we not done that, it's randomized and we don't know what's going to be against what in this first round. So we've done no preparation in that regard we have no arguments in our head because we don't know what we have to argue yeah we're hearing about this for the first time yeah i am calling this first round the chaos round yeah and it is much closer to actual march madness where a 16 seed will knock out like duke or purdue or something it is very similar to the very similar yeah i'm dead serious serious as a heart attack it's done in one day in several hours instead of many weeks that's right there's a lot in common but here's the other big thing you might be wondering how did we narrow this down to 16?

This is such a wide area. There's so many great iconic theme park vehicles, and we did not narrow it down to 16. For the first time ever, we are starting with 32, possibly the most unwise aspect of this year's competition. And you're also maybe wondering at this point so this is a four-hour episode not true i hope we'll see because we will certainly see but we have kind of put our own rules in place here um i'll just say what what i am calling this first round which is the hurry through 32 so it uh this implies speed it has to be a speed round not to say that we can't discuss the choices that we're making but i think it's got to be limited to emotional reactions to a couple of words yeah we could try to dissuade each other if we're really passionate about a point right we can certainly tell maybe we could even at the end go back and say is there one that we need to

to litigate yeah but i think mostly we just gotta fly off a gut here this is yeah this is gonna be the quick we're gonna start with a burst of speed a burst of uh adrenaline here is it possible that we do this and almost everyone we're like're like, oh, I can't. Then we all start standing up like we have to pee. I'm drinking coffee and it's a little brisk outside today. I got to take a walk. I can't do the first round. It's possible. It was very possible. Then we get back on and we say, hey, we're back.

It's been two weeks and we threw all that out. We had to do a lot more thinking about it. Now it's 64. We've added more. It was unfair. The ones that didn't get in. Yeah. We're going to try.

We'll see. You might hear some drastic edits, but hopefully we just plow through this thing and get through the hurry through 32. Are we ready for the hurry through 32? Ready. Let's do it. And just remember this is the law. When this gets decided, this is legally

binding. You have to think it. As a listener to this show, the longer you've been listening to the show, the more you have to agree with all our opinions. And you have to start saying this opinion at parties or at theme park outings. It's yours. And if we left one of your favorite vehicles out, it means it's bad. Your choice was bad.

Yeah. It means we don't like it. We don't like the ride. Well, so, you know, yeah, you'll just hear them all randomized. And we'll hear for the first time what's competing against what. I tried to not really look at the list. But I guess we'll dig into the list. And I think we have to, so we'll go around,

because it still has to be like we got to, there's going to have to be breaking of ties. So we'll change up who starts every time. So let's start with Jason. Okay. As we get into the first one. What is it? Okay.

Oh, this is funny. All right. Wow. Oh, man. It's randomized. It's randomized. Holy shit. How did these two end up next to each other?

Okay. Remember, we got to go fast. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Radiator Springs Racers versus the Mater's Junkyard Jamboree Tractor. Wow. Holy crap.

How are we in a Radiator Springs duel? I don't know. Even this is too much talk. Okay. Yes. But we have to react to that. That's very strange. Okay.

Jason, Radiator Springs versus Junkyard Jamboree Tractor. Ooh, great. Tough ones. Tough ones. The Radiator Springs racers have those cute little No, this is speed round, Jason. No, no, no, stop it. I'm going with Mater. Wow.

Radiator Springs racers are out. What am I saying? The vehicle's cute as shit. I really like that ride. Mater. I'll say that ride. Mater. Yeah, Mater's in. All right.

That's more fun. All right. People upset already. Okay. Too much talking. Let's go to Mike. And the next one is- Oh, shit.

Oh, Dumbo the Flying Elephant versus the Super Stretch Limo from Rock and Roller Coaster. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, shit. Oh, no. It's Dumbo. elephant versus the super stretch limo from rock and roller coaster oh god oh god oh no oh shit no it's Dumbo I gotta say Dumbo I'm sorry I'm sorry Stephen Dumbo Dumbo it's clean sweep okay

man hate that wow oh boy no further discussion of the you want me to read the next one yes sure yes yeah give it to me. Okay. Hagrid's Motorbikes and Sidecars versus Elevator Car from Tower of Terror. Hagrid's.

Yeah, Hagrid's. Elevator. Wow. Wow. All right. All right, finally. Is that the first disagreement? Okay.

Yeah. All right. I will send it to Jason, and I will say the Disneyland Canoes with the Davy Crockett Canoe. What are they called even now? Davy Crockett. Canoes versus Alice in Wonderland Caterpillar. Oh, wow. Ooh.

I'm going to give it to Alice. Mike. Is me next? Caterpillar, yeah. Me too, Caterpillar. Sorry, Canoes. Okay. I will send the next one to Mike, which is the ET Adventure Bikes versus Big Thunder Mountain.

Mine Train. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. You can kind of see. No, no, no. Oh, wow. You can kind of see. No, no, no. Sorry. You're right. Too much. Too much. Too much in your head.

Oh, I want to... E.T. That's difficult. Yeah. I can give a rest, but we don't need to belabor here. Big Thunder. Yeah, I almost said it too. Tiebreaker Jason.

That's the closest I've been. Tiebreaker Jason. That's been the closest I've been. Yeah. I'm going to give it to Big Thunder. Wow. Yep, yep, yep. Wow, wow, wow.

We can discuss any of these later after the speed rant. Okay, you want to give me the next one, Mike? Yeah, it's Spider-Man Scoop Vehicle, Islands of Adventure, First Order Fleet Transport from Rise of the Resistance. First Order Fleet Transport. Me or Jason? Jason.

Scoop. Scoop. Scoop. Scoop. Wow. Okay. Bound to happen, I think. Okay, so next one goes to Jason. Heimlich choo-choo train

versus Slinky Dog. Oh my god. Wow, who do you like better? The Pixar punch-out. These are good. Yeah, these are good match-ups. That's a good pair. I think I'm going to give it to Heimlich. Really?

Heimlich is fun, but that's already too much talking. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Slinky Dog. Ooh. I love that Slinky Dog. I love sitting in that thing. I'm going to allow this discussion because I feel like I need to look at a photo of Heimlich. Heimlich's choo-choo train. Yeah.

Heimlich. Slinky Dog. All right. Okay. Fair enough. Look, I liked looking at it. I was really happy it was in the 32. Yeah.

Okay, let's send the next one to Mike. Okay, PeopleMoverCar versus Soarin' Hang Gliders. Can we, point of clarification, is this the Florida people mover or the California people mover? Which one would you like it to be? Ooh, hmm. That could really weigh it.

I'll say Florida. Okay. What is your pick, Mike? People mover. People mover. Yeah. All right, I'll pick, Mike? PeopleMover. PeopleMover. Yeah. Alright, I'll give it to PeopleMover too. Okay. I keep this going so fast. You're giving me the next one? Yeah. Or I'll do it? Yeah. Haunted Mansion, Doom Buggy vs. Space Mountain Rocket. Wow. Oh my god. Wow. Oh oh this is the most difficult one thus far

for sure shit doom buggy oh tomb buggy uh uh jason uh yeah i'll give it to doom buggy too i was gonna say space oh wow i was gonna say rocket anyway okay uh doom buggy it is doom buggy advances okay next one to jason which is uhhorn Bobsled versus Mr. Toad Motorcar. Interesting. Okay. I'm going to give it to Mr. Toad. Mike. Mr. Toad.

Mr. Toad. Mm-hmm. We're all like, we weigh it, but then- Well, there's been a couple, but yeah. Next up. Next is yours. Indiana Jones Jeep versus Mad Tea Party teacup. Whoa.

This sucks. I don't like this one. Yeah, that's... This sucks to get nothing. Both could have made it far. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Teacup. Teacup.

Teacup. Yep, teacup. Yeah, I got to give it teacup. Wow. They're cute. I wouldn't have believed that before this. That's never a thought I've had. And it makes me a little upset, but we're going fast here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Wait, it's me? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wait, we're here. Read it, Mike.

I get Jungle Cruise Boat versus Back to the Future 8 Passenger DeLoreans. Oh, man. here. Read it, Mike. Jungle Cruise boat versus Back to the Future eight passenger DeLoreans. Oh, man. Wow. I mean, there's no way I cannot say Back to the Future. Yeah. Jason, what do you think? I'm going to give it to Jungle Cruise. Really?

Yeah. Back to the Future. Wow. Fair enough. Jungle Cruise out. That's crazy. It's a brutal competition. This is all. Yeah, I feel sick to the future. Wow. Fair enough. Jungle Cruise, out. That's crazy. It's a brutal competition. This is all, yeah,

I feel sick to my stomach. Disgusting. We're gonna look at the wreckage of this when it's corpses on the ground. I wanna read this next one. Yeah, yeah. You make the choice. Pooh Honeypots in Japan,

Tokyo Disneyland, and Casey Jr. Oh, man. I Tokyo Disneyland, and Casey Jr. Oh, man. I'm throwing it to Casey Jr. Hmm. Shit. I'm going to poo. I'm doing poo.

But it's not an easy choice. Casey Jr. Oh, wow. Okay. But the poo has honey leaking out. I love the story. I wanted to point that out. I wanted to point it Jr. Oh, wow. Okay. But the poo has honey leaking out. I love the story. I wanted to point that out. I wanted to point it out.

And you did. Okay. Thank you. Next one goes to... Jason, I think you should read this one. Yeah, please. Okay, sure. I think it's your fault.

Yeah, it is. Fast and Furious Supercharged Party Bus versus the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train Mine Cart. Okay. Oof. I think I know what I want to answer here. Mike, why don't you start us off? I think I'll go with the Seven Dwarfs Mine Cart. As much as I think it'd be fun

to keep the Super Church Party Bus in there, the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. Yeah, I'll give it to the Mine Cart. Okay. Okay. All right. Tron Light Cy cycle versus skyway bucket this a classic tron light cycle okay jason what do you think giving it to the skyway bucket cycle wow yeah oh boy uh i i was part of the decision and it still hurts yeah it hurts uh um okay so last one goes to jason uh peter pan pirate ship versus

splash mountain log oh also boy we've had a few that could have been in the final. Really? Okay, okay, okay. I'll say Pirate Ship. Pirate Ship. All right, it's in. What am I saying? As a protest vote, I will say.

Yeah. Splash Mountain Law. Well, it's been noted. Okay. All right, I feel awful. I feel sick. I feel like I'm going to throw up. Without thinking too much about what faces what, okay all right i feel awful i feel sick i feel when i'm gonna throw up let's without thinking

too much about what faces what um what was the hardest in in what we just and as you look at this list what tears you up i'm i'm again i was part of it i i'm upset about tron like i'm upset about skyway not getting in there but let me me say my rationale, which is we have classic. You'd look at it at the auction gallery. You'd buy it if you had a million dollars. I think those are in there already. If that was the first round, maybe I would have said Skyway.

Right. But, you know, of course you want to argue classic. And in a lot of cases, we went classic. But that Tron, and I haven't been on Tron, by the way, but you could tell that is an awesome. Yeah, and I think people have compared it to Pony Express at Knott's, which we've done a lot. Which we cut out of the Pony Express.

Now, we tried to have things that were not Disney and Universal. This is very Disney heavy, obviously obviously but but not pony express did not make the cut the thing that really upsets me is that the space mountain rocket is not in here because that's one of those like you look in the stock report when you're little and you see that iconic photo of everybody on space mountain and it looks so cool and that's burned in my brain as being like the one of the coolest looking ride vehicles. So I don't like that Space Mom has been taken out. But that's against Doom Buggy. Look, I signed up for these rules, so I'm comfortable with it.

It just makes me upset. Yeah. There's a few of these that were more curated. I think you'd see a couple of these go almost all the way to the end. But the rules are the rules. And the winner is really all that's important. So the winner should win in any situation. Yes.

Yeah, ultimately, that's the thing. Yeah, any pair up would always take it. Jason, is anything bothering you as you look over the battlefield? Well, you know, that first Cars Land-based ride, that was really tough. That's a little insane what we did there. Yeah. But I feel good about it. Okay.

I feel actually fine about that. To be very clear, just because this ride is not everywhere, Radiator Springs Racers is the big one, which is also the same as Test Track, essentially. So we've eliminated that vehicle, which is also Journey to the center of the earth right not the shape of the vehicle in favor of mater's junkyard jamboree which is where there's the stationary tractor in the front and then your part swings back and forth which is also alien flying saucers in florida florida which is a baymax one i think maybe in Tokyo. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I even said just to do the check at the beginning, I said, should this come out? And I was worried you guys were going to say yes.

And you all said, no, I really like that. And that ride mechanism. Yes. That is like a it's a sleeper. You can take people who are not at Disneyland all the time. If there's if you're in that moment of like, I want to go on a ride, but I don't want to wait for 45 minutes for something, and you know about that one, and that's only 20, and everybody's laughing

and smiling and giggling, that is a very fun ride. That is a delight, that ride. And the Florida one, Real Sleeper 2, if you go on it at night with all the different colored lights and techno-instrumental versions of Toy Story land songs blasting at you, it is a delightful surprise. colored lights and like techno instrumental versions of toy story land songs like blasting

at you it is a delightful surprise i should do it and i'd really like to do the bmx one you should go go to that new family style barbecue restaurant a block away in toy story land and then immediately get a big pile of meat yeah and then get spun around uh anything are you are you mike reeling from super stretch limo i am but if i'm being honest it's like you have to take the steven tyler out of the ride the vehicle and out of um society and being talked about that's a different that's a different story should he be banished? Yes. But that's... Not your decision, ultimately. If there was a big Steven Tyler head

on the front of the vehicle, I think I would be more upset. Or if there was a little Steven... Like on E.T., where E.T.'s in the basket on the ride. If Steven Tyler was in a basket on the front of the limo, and he would kind of turn his head around

and look at you while you were on the ride, then I would be more upset that the rock and roller coaster limo has been eliminated hey you you're the most rocking guy on this whole train you in the 12th row all right back to the ride if you yeah i if it was like a rise of the resistance style elaborate pre-show and pre-show with aerosmith and like yeah stephen tyler was like the droid or something yeah and then i would be more disappointed. Where there's a horrifying visage,

like there's a horrifying mini version that you could turn his head 360 degrees like Linda Blair in The Exorcist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And spray vomit at you. Yeah, so they're like, check out Steven Tyler's hat. And then this little animatronic of Steven Tyler turns his head 360 degrees with his hat on.

He goes, that's rock. Sometimes my scars get caught in the engine. A little animatronic of Steven Tyler turns his head 360 degrees with his hat on. He goes, that's rock. Sometimes my scars get caught in the engine. You're on your own. Does anything, or do you think that anything that we cut would have stood a chance? Or do we get the right 32? I mean, ET Adventure bikes could have stood a chance. I don't know that's making it to the very, very end, but that felt like it would have made it longer. You know what I thought about there is that I like being on the bikes,

but ultimately aren't you on just kind of like a perfunctory platform? You're just on kind of like, yeah, you're just like on a black panel. That's what the bikes themselves. Great, of course. And again, we're trying to separate vehicle from mechanism, but ultimately everything's tied together. I mean, nothing is making me too upset here. Oh, one thing needs to be talked about before we move forward. One back and forth that we're looking at, the rise of the Resistance, the trackless vehicle lost to spider-man scoop from the uh spider-man amazing

adventures of spider-man in islands of adventure uh of course i knew you guys were gonna go that way with that i'm not i'm not mad about that one even where is the resistance i don't know if that was gonna go all the way it's a cool vehicle like that there's a droid in it that was the argument um but when we were this was maybe the only prickly thing when we were narrowing it down to the 32 is that the longer list included both scoop the spider-man vehicle and evac the transformers vehicle uh yes that's true we were kind of like well should we i kind of felt like initially they should have both been in even though they were kind of the same ride i'm actually now feeling a little bit regretful that I didn't push for Evac more over Scoop. Because I kind of feel stupid.

I'll be honest with you guys. Because Evac's a character. Evac has more to do on the ride. And I feel like the biggest mistake I made was not pushing for Evac because he has more to do than Scoop does. But that's what he's doing is voiceover yeah that's little arms on a screen i know that's coming out of your vehicle that's true but the knowledge that you're inside evac still to me makes i think i should have pushed for evac over a scoop i may have made a mistake i made a mistake jason would have walked out

jason i know quit the show. I would have slapped your laptop. Jason would want a scoop bed. He would want to make his bed a scoop. He loves that ride. You know what? Usually, I'm a little creeped out by ideas where Jason has to be in a little thing. I think that's a nice idea for Jason.

I think Jason should try to get a scoop. Like a race car bed, but it's scoop the ride vehicle from the Spider-Man ride. It would lend itself to bed. It's open air, but you're a little cocoon. What do you think you could fit? Could you fit a California King inside scoop? Is there any other podcast? In the actual size of it? Yeah, in the actual full vehicle, how big of a

mattress could you fit if you took the seats out? That's a very inconvenient mattress size like it's comically big california king yeah oh well we've had a california king it's not so bad do you have one yeah is that bigger than king well it's different it's it's a shorter it's it's it's bigger in some ways but it's not i forget if it's it's length uh uh front to like head to toe it's shorter i believe than king but it's wider. Okay. But they're both big, King and California King.

I'm not sure. I think you get the biggest possible mattress size in that. It might have to be custom. Yeah, yeah. If somebody can make Jason a custom bed frame, that's scoop. Sure. Sorry, we're not asking for art. We're asking for a bed front.

Somebody has to build Jason. A carpenter has to make Jason a- It's like Nick Offerman's shop over in California can make Jason. I know they do woodworking, but if they can make- Custom woodworking or 3D printing massive plastic panels, you know? So sometimes we do these live shows and people are nice and give us little gifts. So sometime we're doing a show and then a massive truck pulls up. Beep, beep, beep beep four workers get out just start like pulling out slabs like oh that must be though i guess i guess jason got the bed jason got a bed and they're delivering it to the theater not to his house

i'm not sure how we're gonna move it from the street gotta take it home somehow the main thing to say though is that that when we were going through the list, we were trying to find one. And I said, like, I think the vehicles that are essentially the same should not really be on the. So Dinosaur Time Vehicle is out and Indiana Jones Jeep is in. And I said, maybe not both Scoop and Evac. And the looks that I got from both of you guys, it honestly felt like I would have bought that you guys would have left here and then gone to the front yard and said, so we got to get Scott off the show, right?

This is run its course. What's going on with him? He's coming to a head. No, no, no. I've been waiting to say something. I don't want to, but did you hear him in there? Did you hear him? Look, we had a discussion about replacing you.

That's true. After you said that. We did talk about it. There was a couple names, but we decided, you know, not before this Final Four. Can we get... We're going to wait until after. There's a lot of, you know, with the advances in AI recently. Can we get an AI that sounds like Optimus Prime?

Who would only agree with us, tell us he's proud. I mean, we sent... I completely approve of both of your diets, Mike and Jason. I will never roast you about any of these things. I booted up ChatGPT and it immediately started telling me to like,

maybe you should go do something reckless. Live a little. Look, I'll be honest. We sent a contract to Paging Mr. Morrow, but we couldn't meet our demand. He couldn't agree on terms, so you're still in for now. Look, I got to tell you, he'd be tough to have in this exact episode because he'd say, I can't choose. I love them all. And he'd be right.

And he'd be right. Yes. We're wrong to do any of this cut look ultimately yeah we're gonna get to the end of all of this and we'll there will be an arbitrary winner but of course they're all winners even the ones that didn't make it yes um all right i think that we should take a little break i'm gonna put these into a genuine bracket format so we will re-document and we will pick things up at the 16. Wait, I'll just say the name now, which is the Please Remain Seated 16.

We'll pick it up there. Welcome back to Final Four Five Vehicle Vengeance. We return now for the Please Remain Seated 16. We ourselves are on the move due to a neighbor's yard work. Not wanting to ask him to stop. We're too scared of the neighbor to see, to ask. Yes, yeah. Well, you know,

if he is an adrenaline-soaked throttle jockey, I don't want him throttling me. Well, turning the weed whacker on you. Yeah, that's true. He does have a weapon. It's a murder weapon. Could be carving up a body as we speak. Like the last podcaster who asked him to stop.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So if the sound is different, that's what's happening. And if the sound changes again, that's again what happens. Yep. We'll be back outside. Who knows? One of us is dead by the end. We got weed whacked.

But we are now into it. We have a bracket in front of us. And we can still discuss a little bit. Don't want to go forever, but we can rationalize these. And I think we're going to need each other's help figuring this out because there's big ones going up against each other. So let's start it off with Mater's Junkyard Jamboree Tractor, who again vanquished the bigger

Radiator Springs car unanimously, versus Dumbo the Flying Elephant. And I think Mike is going to have to start this one, if I remember the order correctly. Yeah, I mean, I'll start it. Yes. So this... Okay, so I think the Mater's Junkyard

Jamboree winning was correct. I think that vehicle is cuter, and I also like the coziness of it. So I do think that was correct. I have no regrets about those. It's very nice, like, molded foam. Yeah. They're just very pleasant, and you're excited when you're sitting in them. Yeah.

Dumbo is iconic. you mentioned iconic earlier yeah and it's maybe the most iconic ride vehicle ever could be could be that thing that i said about skyway that i feel like we've covered the type of vehicle you'd want to buy at the auction right you just saw one in the wild, you'd gasp. Dumbo, one of those big time. But here's the thing. I don't love sitting in it. It's not the most comfortable thing to sit in.

Okay. And yeah, I like being in it, but I don't like the sitting. The comfortability of Dumbo is not high you would say the tractors are more comfortable i guess i would say that okay and there's something unique about being pulled on that too i like being pulled along in a way it's not it's it is what's happening you're being pulled essentially it's you're on obviously a track as well but yeah it's like i like the unique you're being towed back and forth which is fun and unique yeah being towed is unique but dumbo i don't know if it's it's hard to beat the iconic dumbo yeah uh yeah that that iconic is the biggest thing it has going for it

certainly and it's still it looks good also just side issue we moved into my office which has toys on it and now i'm like what about skyliner we didn't do it we forgot skyliner skyliner is a good vehicle i mean i don't want to i don't want to like but it's up but hey if we all forgot it that's true take it all the way? Well, that and monorail, I think of more as modes of transit. Yeah. Getting from place A to place B. Right. Because we took out universal tram, too.

Right. And you know what never entered the picture is the train. Right. So, I mean, based on our own internal criteria, we didn't have a lot of disagreement on it. I guess we got to feel okay about it. Well, next year, final four will be modes of transit. Okay.

Well, there we go. Yeah. Now Jason's excited. Jason's checked out until next year. An enterprise rental car versus your legs. Well, our legs are free. We do have them. Yeah.

It's wear and tear over the years, but... Okay. To solve this one, i don't know you want to you want to lock one in dumbo wow okay um yeah i gotta say dumbo too yeah clean sweep i'm also gonna give it to dumbo okay okay probably uh bonus points for again we gotta decide how much we weight range of movement. But Dumbo spins around, but also changes elevation. That's true. Does two things. Right.

Goes around and goes up and down. Two things. Some of these just go forward. Yeah. Boring. Yeah. So something to consider as we move into the next round, which I think I have to start it off when this is hagrid's motorbikes and sidecars versus out the alice in wonderland caterpillars

alice in wonderland caterpillars is another one i was worried somebody would want to take off but i guess i don't know i you know i don't know your guys particular fondness for those vehicles i really like them yeah it's like a i like that they're longer i feel like the fantasyland rides the long ones are kind of trumped or they trump the smaller one like you know what didn't make it is the snow white cars or jepeta a wood wood carvers carts which is the pinocchio vehicle we never discussed a wood carvers cart which is what you climb aboard in pinocchio's daring journey right look it's called march madness not march sensible discussion you know right yeah this is mad what we're doing is mad yeah we're

getting we're getting mad we're getting mad that's the thing i like to say uh um and then you i i it was it was brought up for discussion cutting haggards motorbikes and sidecars but we got when we did that ride and we got to try both the fact that it is a different experience on both sides and they they feel markedly different and that it's it's a really well done vehicle like that could be a every one of those vehicles could be a prop in a film. Yeah. Those are camera ready.

Right. I might have to, I might have to stare at one. I'm going to, I'm going to pull up a picture. Do you guys have any, any points on this? I'll lock one in.

Oh, you're locking it in. Yeah. I'm going to go with the Caterpillar because if we're just looking at vehicles, it's like a whimsical, colorful, like a creation versus dirty, brutish motorcycles.

Oh, you really got dirty in my head. I kind of can't unsee that. That made me feel good, better about the motorcycle, though. It's a descriptor. For wizards who can do anything, there's a lot of filth in their world. There's a lot of... Oh, is that a tagline in one of the Harry Potter movies? Yeah.

There's a lot of filth in our world. Interesting. Scott, do you want to lock something in or do you want me to lock in? Jeez. That's tough. Because I'm ready to lock in. Well, if you're... Then mine doesn't matter.

So yeah, if you're necessarily, um, oh, oh, you're right. Oh, wait, wait. All right. What are you going with? I'm going with a dirty British motorcycle. That's so funny. I dirty pushed you one way and it's, I'm thinking pushed me the other way. I love the Caterpillar, but the uniqueness of sitting and two different

types of sittings two different kinds of sitting totally unique both fun in their own way the look of it is as you're saying a movie prop it's perfect like this caterpillar is really fun sitting in it is fun but i would say like there's nothing else that feels like Hagrid. I mean, I guess there's similar things, I guess like Pony Express or something, or I assume what Tron feels like. But I don't know. I think the Hagrids recreates a ride vehicle from a movie in a perfect way and doesn't, I don't i don't say cheap out but i can imagine a version of it like 10 or 20 years before where they're just sort of suggesting that ride vehicle and you're sitting in little chairs yeah i think they wouldn't have looked as good and you know what look we pulled

out uh et and i think ultimately well it's so cool to sit on a bike and that that flies they didn't go all the way and they don't really look like the the move it's that's also confusing et a little bit it's a bunch of bikes all next to each other how uh you don't get to see et pop up and you know that it's there but yeah he's not turning around and looking at you like steven tyler yeah Ooh. You know what? That way we get, getting to do it both sidecar and, yeah,

yeah, I think you talked me into it with that. I think I'm going with, and there's going to be other, look, cute is represented. Cute is represented already with Dumbo. That was going to be a battle of the cute. And I think Dumbo takes the battle of the cute.

And we love cute here on this podcast, but there should be some realism and some dirt represented in this tournament as well. And that's what this is. Vehicles get dirty. Dirty. Monster trucks, dirt bikes. Yes. It's right there in the name. Right. And I

would say sometimes you get one of those caterpillars and it's dirty and not in a fun way. It looks just kind of like the paint hasn't been freshened up in a while. It doesn't always look like a fresh caterpillar. Not an artifice kind of dirt. Right. Okay. I feel hesitantly comfortable with this.

Okay. I think the recurring thing with all of these is it's less us yelling at each other, arguing with each other, and more just it's hemming and hawing. The real winners of all of these are hems and haws. Yeah. It comes down to two, and it's an even tie. Well, we can get some yelling in there. I think there's about to be some yelling, honestly, as far as the next matchup.

Okay, watch those levels, Mike, because I think Jason leads the discussion, or makes the first choice if you want, on Big Thunder Mountain Mine Train versus Spider-Man Scoop. I'm going to start off the discussion. I wonder where. I wonder where. I'm going to punt my voting. One of you already, or if not both of you have already done it.

So Big Thunder Mountain, if we're just looking at vehicles oh this is tough because you know we can't not mention range of movement big thunder mountain kind of interesting it's got a it's a train changes elevations moves around a lot scoop uh also you know kind of swivels you a lot. It hooks into an elevator at some point. But it's also just a big mold of plastic. If we're just stepping back

and looking at the vehicles and inspecting the vehicles. Oh, wow. I think it might have to be Big Thunder Mountain. Oh, wow. I'm shocked. Wow. The Chaos Round has just inspired me. It's infected me like a rich man's adrenochrome sweat, okay?

And I feel I'm off the leash. I'm like the secret lies of pets. I'm unleashed. Imagine, though, you're leaving all your teenage dreams behind. But my childhood dreams, young childhood, Big Thunder Mountain was just scary enough. You should write your own. This isn't just an idea I had.

This is a side note. If we could write a parody of Katy Perry's teenage dreams song, which I think is one of my favorite Katy Perry songs, not the favorite. Well, write it about you and Islands of Adventure. Oh, okay. Yeah, because yeah because i well i said to you when we were walking to our cars the other night i was like my youtube subscriptions and algorithms are now just like old theme park clips uh right weird weird german guy opening packs of trading cards and um uh dead malls dead and dying malls right why so all the all

stuff I liked is childhood preferably the malls were not dead at the time that's the female x-men is the storm yes yeah okay the opening lines of this song I think storms pretty without any makeup on. In port of entry, I'm grabbing some Cinnabon. Perfect. Great. So we're off to the races. Well, where does that take you, Mike? In another part of the song, you mean?

Oh, no. I meant, I mean, feel free, but also, and also we forgot to check for any DVD prices in Jason's brain. Oh, yeah. Speaking of his teenage dreams. But no, I meant Big Thunder Mountain versus Scoop. Of's brain. Oh, yeah. Speaking of his teenage dreams. But no, I meant Big Thunder Mountain versus Scoop. Of course, of course, of course, yeah. Big Thunder Mountain versus Scoop.

I think it's got to be Big Thunder. Yeah. I love Scoop, but Big Thunder is, yeah, such, you know, I don't have to explain, honestly. No, I don't either. I'm going Big Thunder Mountain. Look, I didn't know. If we hadn't talked about this stuff forever, I didn't know Scoop.

I didn't know the name Scoop. We all say Scoop. Scoop, yeah, of course. Sco forever, I didn't know Scoop. I didn't know the name of Scoop. We all say Scoop. Scoop, yeah, of course. Scoop and the Scoop. Evac Scoop. You know, it's tough, but I'm going to have to go Scoop. I didn't know the name of Scoop. And you're right.

Ultimately, it's Molded Blast. It's great. Yeah. It's great. It's great. It's great. It's great. It's great.

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It's great. Mechanism-wise. Wonderful. Patent, squinching. This is going to happen a lot with these vehicles. If it's a vehicle, if it was the Spider-Mobile, which I believe was the name of his dumb car at a certain point in the

70s or something. They all had cars. It's obviously the Batmobile, we all know, but Superman definitely had a plane and a car. Yeah, and Joker has a car, like the Joker mobile. Here and there, all the characters eventually had mobiles. Thanos' helicopter with his name on it. Oh, yeah.

He didn't have that in the movie. No, he didn't. So, yeah, if it's just, yeah, okay. I feel good. Big Thunder. You know what else didn't make it to the 32 is the Web Slinger's big red box. Oh, right. The Web Slinger's miniature Circuit City boxes within the building that is also a big Circuit City box.

Yeah, there's an element of that ride that makes you feel like you're on a conveyor. You're in a factory kind of being, I don't know, processed in some way. Just the way the whole thing moves. It feels almost like on Radiator Springs when you're getting your wheels checked or you're getting a new coat of paint. Oh, yeah. There's just something about it where it's like, you go to this station, you go to this station. Jason, do you want to throw the next category to Mike?

Sure. Mike, this next category, you got Slinky Dog Dash, the Slinky Dog Dash vehicle versus the People Mover car. Who is right? Who will always be right? This is interesting because PeopleMover, I think we all have a lot of affection for it. It's a little blue box, essentially.

They're throwing out boxes. But I would say of all the boxes, it's the most comfortable box, maybe. Yeah. It's like being in a little private booth like a vegas luxury box club or uh yeah if they could sell like cabanas like a vegas pool that would be like you could set it on the people mover track and ride it around like there would be vip people mover boxes yeah with like a little more shade and like a bottle of gray goose oh god they should this is a really good like i'm not usually for the like charge up ideas but

shapex stuff but oh i would love the bottle service on the people the bottle service on the people mover would be a huge hit and you get multiple laps you get like you know you can spend a couple hours yeah you can do it all day yeah if you want this is such a good every eight or every 10th car is like the bottle service car on the people mover because it is a comfortable seat compared to you know other theme park rides because that's what it's designed to chill you're designed uh you're supposed to chill out on it If you with a group had bottle service in the people room and you can hang out there for hours, and you split it up with people if you want. Yeah.

I feel like $3,000 would be fine. You'd never forget that day. That's how sick you are. But I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, definitely. If I had the money, sure. So, okay, I've disney a great idea here um uh but slinky dog is maybe and i'm trying to think of before i make this point so i don't seem like a moron is there a better representation of

sitting inside a character than slinky dog i don't think on this list not on this caterpillar just went out right so that sort of feels like the dream from my kid brain is like oh my god i'm sitting inside or on top of a character from the movie and he looks just like the character in the movie and i love the love Slinky's awesome character. I guess it's what are you prioritizing, sitting on or in a character's body versus comfort? Because that Florida People mover, like you say, it's very comfortable.

It's very relaxing. I was talking to my dad about this the other day. He's like, look, I always liked Florida Tomorrowland because it was very relaxed. Like all of those rides early look, I always liked Florida Tomorrowland because it was very relaxed. Like all of those rides early on were super relaxed. Florida Tomorrowland? Yeah, Florida Tomorrowland. No, not Space Mountain.

But like if you had wings and the people mover and the carousel of progress. That's a good point. But as we said at the start of this, we got to take the ride away. Yeah. And it just has to be the vehicle. Yeah. So even though those seats are comfortable, we're not getting the comforting experience of being on the people mover. So you're left with a nice seat, fine seat, interesting little box. And I think, even though it's less comfortable,

sitting inside of Slinky, one of the best characters in Pixar history, wins out. Wow. Wow. And a great representation. Better than the Caterpillar, I would say. It is.

Yeah, yeah. Because he's big, too. It's a really satisfying character to see big. And when it pulls into the station and you watch that smile and you see people on it. I remember watching videos of it getting delivered, of it pulling up to Hollywood studios. I also think this is a strange idea, the idea that it's uncomfortable in there. It's not like being in a little... You're sitting across from your friends or being seated backwards in the people mover i'm also i'm trying to like not throw out the disneyland one with a little roof sure no probably aesthetically the better design

maybe kind of over the years as they added more and more safety bars looked uglier and uglier right sure sure but as i said that i was remembering like some smaller regional parks i was at like i was thinking about the sky bucket and i looked up pictures and they did have a full floor but i definitely remember riding some sky bucket like rides where there was just like a square hole in the middle and they're like don't, you won't fall through. And thinking back, I'm like, why was there just a hole on this thing with no seatbelt? Like, why?

So a plus of a lot of these is no hole. No hole. You're not falling out of most of these vehicles. I think your argument really won me over. I think I'm slinky. Yeah. Yeah. Jason, what would you have said?

Well, I actually was going to, you know, in the interest of making it interesting, I was going to say PeopleMover because my concern is that we end up with just a lot of cute ride vehicles and that novelty outweighs comfort for the whole bracket. Well, Hagrid wasn't cute. Yeah, we got a lot. So far, now it's even, I'd say, between cute and dirty. Yeah. I guess if we're discovering a domain component, maybe most ride vehicles fall into those categories. But I would like to see one little box go all the way i would too i don't happen

here pal okay fair enough fair enough look i'm not put your dreams in a little box yeah and shove them um this next one um mike you want to do the honor i think i yeah it's a haunted mansion doom buggy versus mr toad motor car wow this is interesting yeah and let's i mean now the dirty and cute are the sort of things where we've really separated vehicles by these are both well mr toads is more cute, I guess. It's a cute little, again, but it is also a dirty British motor car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So is it boxed out by Hagrid's in some way?

I don't know. That's not its fault. That's not its fault. Hagrid's got in first. Haunted Mansion Doom Buggy, I would argue, doesn't look very good. Isn't visually that interesting to me. It's famous because of the ride.

And by the way, it's kind of representing Omnimover shells in general. Is there an argument that the Little Mermaid ones are kind of more fun, big shells? I think there are, if we're just separating art from the artist. Separating

the ride from the ride. Ride vehicle from the artist. The separating, excuse me, the ride from the ride. Well, this is... Ride vehicle from the ride. What's your... What's more important, I guess? Is it novelty or is it minimalism? Because I think an argument could be made that the Doom Buggies are cute.

They're cute little curved guys. They kind of hug you. I feel very safe in a Doom Buggy as there's a house of horrors that you're going through. Well, that's your argument to make. That's fine. I see what you're saying. It's a visual protection if you want to have brief, awkward teenage makeouts. Yes.

And look, I will say this. The biggest thing that Doom Buggy isgy is that it's, I think, the coziest vehicle in any theme park. Yeah, I took it my first time back at Disneyland. I took a brief nap in it. It is cozy as shit. Boy, and it does. It makes you feel good.

It's covering you. You're in the dark already. You could be alone. You could be packed in there with three people with two people it's it's unique in that way in its coziness but aesthetically i don't think it's cute i'm sorry i'm not gonna go with you on cute i think i think cool and that it's like a big coffin that you're riding in and i like that the bar lowers you gotta give it that that's one bit of functionality i don't even know what i'd say cool if it was separated from the ride.

Wow. I think people are going to hate this opinion. But you know what? Bring it on. I think I share it. This, I think, is mine to lock in. I'm going, Mr. Tilt. I can't believe it.

Because you'd think I would take Doom Buggy all the way. It's famous. The name is famous. But, you know, in a non-intellectual point it's got a little wheel and you spin it around you can do that your kid can do that yeah it's fun to pretend you have some control of it it gives you like interactivity they all have different names it's it's mr toad it's mr toad me. You want to vote next? Yeah, I think coziness hasn't come up yet, and I think it's important.

I think both the... You're right. Both the curve... Jason stands for coziness. The curve combined with the lowering lap bar, which is kind of like a safety feature that's pretty difficult to mess up. You know? What do you mean?

So you're cozy behind, and then it's i find the lap bar lower i find that comforting i feel like i'm tucked into this ride so jason has chosen the ride that tucks you in now that's he's not wrong that is that is a very unique thing but it's it's pure black well you want to get tucked into again but it's a it's pure black. Well, you want to get tucked in? Again, minimalism. It's a psychological factor, it's not like a blanket. And I don't think that's not the purpose of the ride, is to make you feel like you're tucked in. But it's part of, they've incorporated into the narrative

that that's what the ghost host is doing. It honestly never occurred to me until this moment that you're essentially tucked into a coffin. But that is interesting to think about. It is interesting to think about, isn't it? And I'd love to think about it for more than the next minute. But sadly, we have to keep rolling here. It's tough because you do make a good argument that the tucking in and what i was saying and the coziness of it is is unique

it is the closest ride you can get to feeling like you could go to sleep easily that it tips backwards tips backwards like that's a perfect time to go to bed is when you're going down into the cemetery the spin it can i throw in the that i mean i already locked in my vote but just to confuse things that the ability of the omni mover car to direct your attention to stare at this to lock your focus in on this um at the hatbox ghost or the the scared guy at the bottom of the hill um that's that's something it is a you know walliner was talking about it's like po the POV direction of ride vehicles. Yeah. Innovation of that. Yeah.

That said, if you look at them from 10, 20 feet away, Mr. Toads is obviously more colorful, more whimsical. Yes. Yes. So I think, here, I'll go. I think, though, if you take the ride out of the doom buggy, the coziness becomes claustrophobia. That without the funness of the music and all of that,

you're sort of trapped in a not cute looking vehicle. And yeah, it can move you around, but you're not going to feel that same warmth because you're not on the haunted mansion you're just in an odd piece of metal yeah i think i know where you're going mr toad yeah jason another just to say dirty british car he said oh i said you're ready Oh, okay. Got it. Okay. So, geez. I am surprised that Doom Buggy is not... I wouldn't have thought that before we started today. Yeah, I thought Doom Buggy could have been the winner.

But when you talk through it, when you rationalize things... That one started with me, right? So, Jason, you can make the first choice, if you wish, on Mad Tea Party Teacup versus the Back to the Future Eight Passenger DeLoreans.

Oh, boy, this is a tough one. I'll say this year, that randomizer, that chaos round has led to some very interesting ones. Yeah, ones that shouldn't have happened until the final four. Right, but that's the fun. That's the fun of this. Two Alice-based attractions. Yes, two.

Made it to the sit-down. Oh, yes. 16. Big show. Yeah. Cars didn't get that. Alice is better than cars. Yeah.

Jason, what are your initial thoughts here? My initial thoughts, I mean, the teacups are very pleasing to look at. Very pleasing. Very pleasing to look at. I would agree completely with that. Wonderful, that Mary Blair color palette. And in a way, sorry to interrupt you, but maybe the second most iconic Disneyland ride vehicles. You say Dumbo first and teacups second.

Dumbo first, teacups second. Yeah. And it's lasted and been replicated, you know, for a reason. Yes. Back to the future, kind of an early, an 80s technological, 80s, early 90s technological innovation. I mean, it's. The DeLorean. The DeLorean, yeah.

And Doc figured out how to get eight people in there. Yeah. That's the innovation. That's the innovation. That's the innovation. And remote control it. Right. Yeah, old DeLoreans could barely fit two people and a dog. This is tricky because the DeLorean does look like the DeLorean from the movie.

So it's wish fulfillment in that. So you are. It's got the panels. Everything's right. It's flux capacitor. Right. Doors open. Yeah, the doors swing up.

Doors open. Yes, they swing open. You're watching a different video that's separate from the ride. You get your own thing. And if you're up steering, that's cool versus being in the back. Huh. This is tricky because I thought I maybe knew exactly what I wanted out of this. if you're up steering, that's cool versus being in the back. Huh? This is tricky. Cause I thought I maybe knew exactly what I wanted out of this,

but now I don't know. Now I'm not sure because the teacup is so simple and it's designed, you know, it's like, it's, it's, it feels pure to me. It feels like this is the embodiment of what you want on a ride.

It spins you around, but it also looks fun. It's got fun colors. All the vehicles are different colors. And that would be fun in any context. In a dirty parking lot, in a swamp, just spinning around in a cup. You don't need anything around. So it can still spin in the swamp it could spin in the swamp and you know what

now that I'm talking myself through this I think I've decided the teacups as a ride doesn't need Disneyland you can have fun on that teacup anywhere you want on the moon on Neptune

in the center of the Earth. Jupiter. Jupiter. Alpha Centauri. I think I see what you're saying. The joy of the ride is built into the vehicle itself. Yes.

The Back to the Future DeLorean is kind of dependent on a rotting IMAX screen. And it's fun because you get to see, like, oh, that's, I mean, it kind of, if you look at the front part of the, it doesn't quite look like the front of the delorean it's a little bit

it's not quite perfect like hagrid's or that's the passenger toad but it's its own you're right it's its own thing but if we're talking movement visually yeah it's teacup it's got to be teacup. Jason? Scott, do you have one? Teacup. Do you know? Teacup. It's teacup. We keep boxing you. We keep just deciding.

But what are you saying officially? What would you have said, Jason? Oh, I think I would have thrown it to Back to the Future because... Well, make your plea. Huh? Make your plea. Well, I think one thing is that like you know it's crazy to say an attraction kind of disrespected through its history back to the future like gone sure is

it gone everywhere yeah it is yeah okay and and like probably one of the most common universal like why did they get rid of that well Well, that's true. The upkeep on it, atrocious. Sure. But vehicle-wise. Vehicle-wise. Purely vehicle-wise. What's your argument for it? I think it's very pleasing to see the panel.

It's pleasing to hear the sounds and like boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Yeah. All the blinking lights and stuff. It is a particularly fun... Like, think about that versus a Radiator Springs Racer, which has no video. It's a car. Right.

It moves better than jostles you around. But think about that pair up. I think DeLorean wins handily. That's true. Yeah. The Radiator Springs Racers, oddly, were not going to go all the way no matter who. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. I can't believe that. Right. But nobody's mind has changed. No. No. I'm back to the future. No, I feel not.

I feel great. Okay. Jason, would you like to throw? Oh, wait. Did I? You took that. Yeah. Send the next one to Mike.

Go ahead. No, you read it. Oh, excuse me. Send it to me, wait. Did I? You took that. Yeah. Send the next one to Mike. Go ahead. No, you read it. You read it. Oh, excuse me. Send it to me, please. Casey Jr. versus the 7 Dwarfs Mine Train Mine Cart. Okay. Casey Jr., one of your favorite rides.

Very cute. Very cute. Very cute. We can all agree it's a very cute ride. We're considering all the cars on Casey Jr. Because there's multiple, again, like Hagrid there's you can have a lot of different types of experiences you can sit different directions on it you can sit in little cages you can sit in regular seats so we're gonna we're gonna put all of that in this right we're gonna yeah think

about all of that you just uh you just made the argument already for me there's no question for me it's casey jr in this this one not to make it less dramatic what is possibly the argument on the other side yeah a bunch of barrels yeah i like bunch of it's better than just some boxy roller coaster but compared to against casey jr you've never been on the ride i haven't been on the ride i will say these this rocking mechanism is so much fun. I don't know the... You're right. You're right.

This is important. Okay. And I will say, because we don't have the original Snow White Scary Adventure ride vehicles. And I would say, as a kid, it was a pretty close... I would say I would have given the edge to Peter Pan and the pirate ship. But as a kid, seeing those little wood carved vehicles on the Snow White ride was very exciting to me. And those were the two vehicles I would have said were the best when I was a little kid. So now it's a roller coaster version of those hand carved looking wood things.

And a very unique, smooth rocking rocking and i love these ride vehicles okay i will say this and i think this ride is maybe the ride itself which we're not trying to but the ride itself is too short but i think it's a really really smooth fun sensation and i would say that even though casey jr is cute i and again it's a personal thing because of how much i like the the hand like the wooden ride vehicles maybe from my youth i think i give it to seven seven dwarfs of mine cart okay honestly well i think jason's a tie breaker then yeah we know we're gonna what he's gonna say i'm giving it to casey jr all right yeah just pure vehicle alone again stand back and look

at it from a distance it's like oh that's a delightful colorful train with multiple options and maybe i'm look i'm maybe i'm saying i don't like it as much because i'm a tall guy and when they throw me in one of those cages it's uncomfortable yeah i'm too tall for the lion cage yeah i'm casey jr i mean it's a ride for little kids also yeah yeah and i might buy it we've had a very i've had a nice time with with a baby on it sure um my own i didn't take one okay good um but all right all right uh it's an odd one but i i hear you mike on this sure well you want want to send the next one my way? Yeah.

Tron Light Cycle versus Peter Pan Pirate Ship. Oof. Look, I'm probably not the guy to start. Start with Pan? I'm bringing a lot of Pan bias into this. You got to take your Pan bias out of here. I know I do. And thank God I can.

Do-do-do-do-do-do. This is the epitome of I have to look at the vehicle and not think about the ways that I've been creeped out by the poster of every single Peter Pan reboot that comes every year and a half. Or the... A reimagining. Yeah, not a reboot. Yeah, you're right. Well, because they're all the same mythology. My feelings about Hook cannot be placed into...

Hook has nothing to do with this ship. You know how I feel is almost like a begrudging... Yeah, I guess I have to... Like Peter Pan pirate ship iconic. We threw out E.T. So we don't have any rides that fly. Where the mechanism is up above you. You got to take that into account.

And honestly, for my taste, there's already too much new stuff, newer stuff in here. I'm putting my foot too many new rides. Wait, what do you mean? You mean Hagrid and Slinky? Yeah, I think. There's two. Bullshit. my foot too many new rides wait what do you like you mean hagrid and slinky yeah i think there's two bullshit two rides from the 2000s two rides um i now look none of us have been on tron so we don't know maybe we don't maybe i have to stare at it we it know. It's certainly... We know it's good.

That's got to be good. I think. We didn't put on the Cosmic Rewind vehicles. Are those cool? They're okay. Kind of like Nova Corps. I think they're probably cool. Again, I think like Seven Dwarves,

I think they're very smooth and they are cool. So there's probably an argument to be made for them somewhere but visually it's okay you know kai selga was down there is down there like as we record and he posted a thing about like my glasses like really we're about to fly off on this thing and that's what i i i told him like touring plans should track this. I am interested in like Which ride makes your glasses fly off? What ride makes your glasses fly off? Because I definitely enjoy

like attractions with show scenes more when I can see them but I would like to keep my glasses also. Oh yeah, because we, I, yeah because that's like Hulk you couldn't wear your glasses on. Oh no, absolutely not. Yeah, and the queue was very dark. Oh, yeah, because that's like Hulk you couldn't wear your glasses on. Oh, no, absolutely not.

Yeah, and the queue was very dark. Like Hagrid, I'm going to have to stumble through that. Or Velocicoaster, I'm going to have to stumble through that queue. Can you do the strap? Could you do the glasses strap like you're playing basketball? Or goggles. Yeah, goggles. Or just finally. Oh, Horace Grant.

Goggles for Jason during a theme park? Oh, man. That would rule. Suiting Horace Grant. Goggles for Jason during a theme park? Oh, man. That would rule. Suiting up and then he limbers up. Holy crap. We need to get you Horace Grant style goggles for theme parks. Finally just stop being a baby and try contacts at 37. Oh, is that why you never tried?

Well, I have terrible astigmatism in one eye. So they tried to fit them for me once. I was like, doctor, get that out. Get it out. It's painful oh really yeah interesting would you do lasik i wouldn't do lasik scared yeah yeah oh yeah of the laser they shoot a laser laser scared of like there's been follies people have they've messed up lasix you know yeah um if you want to keep discussing astigmatism that's fine i'm looking at the

vehicles they light up guys don't forget their light cycles i know we already got haggards on here but they light up it looks so cool at night it looks so cool indoors i i am still a sucker for that it's it's a like a motorcycle and you ride it like a motorcycle that you're not sitting. Uh, it doesn't have the comfort, but you're, you're at attention.

You're, uh, it's, and I guess I have to take my feelings about the movie out, um, which are not good, which I think both of the movies are boring. So it doesn't matter.

Uh, uh, I, since I think it's so much more likely that one of, Both of the movies are boring, so it doesn't matter. Since I think it's so much more likely that one or both of you will go with Peter Pan, I'm going with Light Cycle. I got to say Light Cycle. It lights up! Jason, I'd like you to go next.

Yeah, the light up. I mean, I'm a sucker for neon. I'm a sucker for colored lights i feel like a lot of parks could like really level up just by putting in some good landscaping and colored lighting and it would seem like a six flags could immediately seem like a much more premium experience with like a little landscape architecture and some more colored lights. That said, the other competitor is a cute little pirate ship. And even though it slammed my ass multiple times on that aging track, this is a rough ride. This is a rough ride. Let's keep that in mind.

But flying, I feel like flying should have some representation. I like that you got leg room on that ride. Got a lot of leg room. I like that it's a little bucket. You're not boxed in like being in a wood carver's cart. And I like that molded plastic sail. I could say plenty of nice things. Yeah, the sail.

So I'm going to make Mike break the tie i'm gonna say peter pan pirate ship that's right wow peter pan pirate ship oof again i said this when i was a kid that would that was it was that or the snow white where i was just like these are the coolest vehicles to be in you're flying man because that was like the first that was the first ride i felt comfortable opening my eyes on, as I've said. Because the characters were too far away. Snow White, I love the ride vehicle, but I closed my eyes the whole time on the ride. You wanted Horace Grant goggles, but painted black.

Painted black, yes. So I couldn't see anything. But when you compare Tron Light Cycle to the DeLorean, it looks perfect, I think, kind of. It's a better movie representation, like Hagrid's. Yes, it's recent, but look what we're able to do with new technology. Right. And again, it gives you that motorcycle. I assume what riding a motorcycle is like.

Yeah. You're tipped over. It's exactly like riding a motorcycle, someone might say, if they've been on that motorcycle. I assume what riding a motorcycle is like. Yeah. You're tipped over. It's exactly like riding a motorcycle, someone might say, if they've been on a motorcycle. Right. And I'll never be on a motorcycle, probably. No, I have not been. But it's really, oof. This is hard because this is an emotional, there's an emotional argument in my heart for Pirate, Peter Pan Pirateship.

And I'm trying to remove the ride from my heart for pirate peter panparchip and i'm trying to i'm trying to remove the ride from my heart when i'm if it was what i mean yeah i imagine the photo op outside the that's a good way we haven't talked about that for any of these like not just like the testing the seat functional can you fit in it yeah but the um just photo op outside the ride which which is uh which do you like that photo of more tron yeah yes it's like i like it's a cute peter pan is cute but i feel like the ships could be a little cuter honestly as i'm looking now they could be cuter the ships could be a little cuter, honestly, as I'm looking now. They could be cuter. The ships could be cuter.

I'm sorry to add another new thing when we say new 10 years old onto this. A lot of classics. I'm amazed at what we're not seeing in here, that there's no people mover. There's no pirate ship. But it's still a diverse list. It's not entirely the big new shiny object there's classics in here i think it's a really good i think it's good i think this this might have been what we were dealing with no matter randomizer or not that's what i'm saying yeah um all right

let's uh take another quick break see if the gardeners or see if the see if my neighbors stopped and uh what we'll pick it up somewhere with the eight. All right, we are back for the Watch Your Step While Exiting Eight, and that begins with Dumbo the Flying Elephant versus Hagrid's Motorbikes and Sidecars. Jason, I think, could make the first choice if you wish. Jason, what do you think? Boy, I mean, just both two loaded properties you got

the crows on the one end you got the one of the worst properties are not billionaires no we don't have to do this brain what's talking about the cars the ride vehicle from the ride art from the artist again i think you know, it comes down to like a simulation of a real life thing versus like a whimsical dream. A flying elephant versus, once again, a dirty British motorcycle. That flies. Huh? Again, we shouldn't be talking about actually what it does in a conceptual way, but it does fly. The motorbikes flies.

It rides on a track. It's moved along a track. Dumbo's not really flying for real on this ride. There's a big mechanical arm. Yeah, but could you imagine? I mean, I can imagine a motorcycle riding a track. I don't know if I can imagine an elephant flying. That seems impossible.

What do you mean you can't imagine it? Only the greatest imaginer who also imagined some terrible things, but they also imagined who wrote Dumbo? Straight from the mind of some art author who Disney stole from. Well, I feel like you don't like Hagrid like you don't you don't like hagrid this has been a lot of yeah if you're looking at the vehicles again one of these is a dirty motorcycle and sidecar and one of these is a cute different uh color outfit elephant you stand back and look at these from a distance right but sitting inside them and then moving is also a different story too.

Yeah, that motorcycle is a little uncomfortable to sit inside. In the sidecar or on the front part? Oh, no, the sidecar is more comfortable. That's cozier, the sidecar. The sidecar is cozy. So I think that's even something we haven't talked about is there actually is a cozy option on Hagrid's. There's a sort of more action pose that you can do if you're actually like on the handlebars. But then a sort of more action pose that you can do if you're actually on the handlebars.

But then you are a little cozy in that sidecar. You're a little cozy. So I think we haven't talked enough about the sidecar aspect of Hagrid's, which is a big strike in its favor. It is innovative. And also, I was more right

than I knew. Just to sidetrack, the rights for Dumbo were bought by Disney from the two authors behind the book for about a thousand dollars so pretty best do we do we support the current monster or the monster from the past

who bought from a nice woman and ripped her up but none of these things it's about vehicles it's irrelevant you vehicles it's irrelevant you know it's irrelevant um i hmm do you have any any leanings mike well dumbo is a little uncomfortable for me as well sitting inside of it and especially when the ride vehicle i mean if it's just a vehicle itself but if it's moving in the way that it moves, I kind of slide around it. And I kind of feel like I'm going to tip over and fall out of it.

I don't know if that's due to my height or what or my just sort of fear of heights. I'm not sure. Hagrid's, I feel great on it the whole time. I feel better than in real life, my normal day. You feel better than just being in your bed? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Compare all of the vehicles to our beds okay or worse well that's it we should do a whole another episode about that

um but yeah so so i don't know that visually that dumbo is hard to beat. He's at a loss for words. I'm at a loss for words. You would want to own it over the motorbike. Somebody might see the bike and think, you have an old, dirty British bike. Right, but that's kind of cool. Did you buy that for $1,000, the cost of one dumbo story yeah for disney to purchase but that being said if it was harry look i ain't buying a giant harry potter prop no for many reasons at this point but

the bike divorced from it being harry potter is kind of cool yeah if you sort of just had that parked like you had a big dog garage and you had the Harry Potter bike in there, but it was just a nondescript dirty British bike, it is kind of cool. It's a cool old school looking motorcycle. I do agree with that. I think so much of it though,

yes, the motorcycle and sidecar aspect is really great, but what are those worth if it's not moving? If you are just judging the vehicle pre-movement versus a silly Dumbo. What if Jay Leno were driving the motorcycle and you were in the sidecar? What if he's driving the Dumbo? Like, I mean, it should be Jay. Okay, perfect. Now, this is great.

Okay, you and Jay in the Dumbo car, would you rather have that, or would you rather be on the Dirty British motorcycle with Jay driving, and you're in the sidecar? This is maybe the toughest question to answer in my mind. No, it's not. Seeing Jay Leno in a Dumbo would be the funniest thing ever. Coming down the street, separate from the ride, if you heard a big rev and you turned your head

and it was Jay Leno in a Dumbo, a thousand percent. Dumbo, locked in. I'm going to go Dumbo too. All right. Okay. What do you think? I don't even want to vote now.

I'm not even going to say. So if you're recording this officially, Mike did not vote. Protest vote. We're back to some... Some tough ones, yeah. Because you've got the fun dirty train you got slinky dog slinky dog battle and that's the last one right and um big thunder yeah low-key

favorite ride for me again i divorced myself from that though um the ride vehicle and the fun of big thunder i think you know it's an old ride it still holds up in the way that like you slide around it when you're moving and that's fun when you're sort of on a straightaway it's fun when you're going up a hill like that all of that is still taken away from fake rocks the majesty of the fake rocks on big thunder you're still enjoying the hell out of it visually it looks cool too slinky is a different type of coaster but it's similar i mean it's they're both sort of like good starter coasters i think for for you know your young pre-teens you know just getting into coaster maybe you're maybe you're eight or nine maybe yeah you know they're both sort of in the same zone there. So they're both independently kind of giving you a similar type of rides.

So the thing you're going to have to, I think, judge on is do you value realism over whimsical magic? Mm-hmm. I think. What are your values? What do you believe in? Okay. I want to ask the listener that. What do you believe in? What do you believe in? Okay, I want to ask the listener that. What do you believe in? What do you believe in in your heart?

Does your heart say, I want to live sort of in a fantasy land with talking animals, or do I sort of want to be in a heightened reality that doesn't maybe have talking animals, but you can experience adventure. Well, yeah, that's true. Dynamite-holding have talking animals, but you can experience adventure. Well, dynamite holding animals. Right. But that's more realistic.

Animals can hold dynamite in real life. Yeah, they choose not to, but they could. But they could. But yeah, Slinky Toy, Slinky Dog Toy couldn't actually put you in its back and you ride on a fun ride. But the whole environment, I mean, you are on Slinky and you are in like a backyard filled with toys. Yes. Meant to look as if Andy built a theme park in his backyard. But I would argue in the same, my same teacup argument

is that taking the fake rocks away from big thunder it's a fun roller coaster movement thing you can take away the environment you could put slinky dog on the moon on neptune in a swamp at the center of the earth and you are still in a big dog you still have the knowledge you can see him you can see slinking in front you. You can still see that you are part of some sort of whimsical magic. Well, don't we need to bring the head of Big Dog Productions into the Big Dog? Jay Leno. You might be right. Do the Jay Leno test again.

If Jay Leno is pulling up to Bob's big boy and he's in a Slinky Dog or he's in. Yeah, that's unfair. I mean, that argument is pure slinky dog. It's always going to be cartoon if we're talking about Jay, the Jay Leno test. Yeah, of course. Let me just discuss. Of course, you're in a train. But colors, I don't think we've talked about.

I'm staring at one right now. A very pleasing red and green combo, and I like that tan of the cars. I think that a Big Thunder choice represents anything that's train style. This is common in coasters, but never pulled off this well. Yeah. And I think you have to pick the best of a genre. Slinky Dog's in a genre of its own.

Yes. I would say there's not a lot of big cartoony roller coasters out there. But in terms of, well, I don't know if it's better than, well, maybe it is better than Dumbo, but it's just not as classic. Yeah, it's not as classic. And I've been picking not classic throughout. Right. And what is classic? It's just nostalgia It's just you've known about it longer

Yeah, true You just haven't had time to decide something is classic Sometimes you have to judge something You know, as if they both came out today Yeah, that's true If these rides were both new Slinky Dog I'll say this in the favor of Slinky Dog Slinky Dog is smiling Yeah, that's true. If these rides were both new. Slinky Dog, I'll say this in the favor of Slinky Dog.

Slinky Dog is smiling. He looks happy. It's how we all want to remember the beloved Jim Varney. I thought you were going to say like taking a trip to Disney World. I thought that's what you were going to say too. So you said Jim Varney. I mean, also that. Both can be true. Honoring, yes. A vote for this is honoring the great actor jim varney not dissimilar color schemes

sure yeah both kind of earth tones pops of green i mean you know yeah i i think big thunder for me wins out if slinky dog is a little less good as a little more caterpillar you know yeah if it's not such the whole his butt slinky you would get you get the butt of slinky the seat excuse me the seat of slinky is on this ride the little tail with a little effing i'm so sorry to say effing but the effing tail say part of a curse yeah that i look, it's a big slinky. You get to ride on it and it's fun as shit. I think suddenly I'm like... It's slinky. I was literally about to say Big Thunder,

but I'm looking at his face and what Jason said, he's smiling. He's smiling like the great Hector Gervarne. And his floppy ears. Slinky dog. Yes. Wow, I was on the precipice of Big Thunder. Take the ride out of it. A clean sweep. I'm going to precipice of pick-under. Take the ride out of it. A clean sweep.

I'm going to give it to Slinky Dog, too. I think every year we have a round or two where there is a persuasive argument. And I think Mike made a very persuasive argument. Mike's made a bunch of them. Thank you. You have changed my mind on a few. Mike, you want to give me the next one? Mr. Toad Motor Car versus mad tea party teacup damn it

oh damn it oof ah interesting interesting i'm not i don't know that i have even an initial thought here god i'm not sure i do either but i better think of one yeah. I was thinking about the toy aspect, and I have never been tempted to get a toy of the Mr. Toad motor car. I almost was more in talking about it in winning the last round. Hmm. I have a toy of the Mr. Toad. I have a Funko Pop. Do you have one with a character riding it?

Yeah. Toad's in it. Toad is in it. And I will say this. I'm very upset with Mr. Brian Mariotti for buying. they bought Mondo and they gutted it terrible oh oh for shame Mr. Mariotti sucks I gotta say I I've got a couple now of the um Disney World 50th like Funko where like Mickey is in front of Space Mountain and you gave us Mickey popping out of the Skyliner and it is it is a little shocking because they do have a Florida People Mover car kind of a

rare vehicle to turn into a toy and it kind of looks like shit because they stuck the logo on it and Pluto looks cute in it but it it's just a little off yes i agree i have the people mover funko's as well but like that's that's where you're getting your most ride vehicle toys these days is from funko pops yeah and some of them look pretty good and then some of them you're like that's that's okay but yeah i look as far as toys i i i like the real is i like them to look as close to what the thing is. And that goes for figures. And that goes, that's why I'm a big NECA guy

is because they do really great recreations of whatever they're generally. Honestly, I've gotten the Funko Pop. I could care less about the little Funko characters. I'm just like, wow, how often do you get a little Space Mountain in the little sign yes and the sign i have a few of those i have the space mountain one where it's just the little space mountain building but then i also have mickey in the ride vehicle but yeah i don't care

take mickey out of it it's all for all i care yeah you should rip him out i can have it yeah i'm looking at these two next to each other it might help you guys too i recommend it i'm looking i'm looking um i don't know if it's completely helping me but you know what it's something big is hitting me um tea part teacup you are controlling the spin you have a big wheel in the center that is the same weighty what not plastic i don't know whatever material the metal it's made out of um and you're physically doing it mr toad you are not physically doing it but you could take that wheel and just spin it and spin it as fast as you can i don't care that i'm not in control and that's the whole thing is being out of control um i just compared mr toad i really thought how a more lo-fi Mr. Toad style ride would be a better fit for Mario Kart than what they did.

You better believe no Mario Kart vehicle in this top 32. Not even discussed. Not even for a second. What a failure on the part of that ride to not hit the 32. Yeah, good point. I also like the kind of cushioning. We got upholstery. We have fine European fonts, upholstery, styling, brass fixtures.

It's not as fun and cartoony. I mean, icon is completely what I'm thinking with Tea Party. But what do I like more? I'm starting to head to Toad. Well, the thing with Toad, too, is that Toad has a thing that I love. And I think we've all talked about it, where there's different names of different characters on the front. And that goes a long way, too. It's not sitting inside a character. You're not sitting inside Badger or something.

But just having the names on the cars is fun as shit. It's really, I don't know why that is. Yeah. I don't even like those characters, by the way. Really? I don't really. I'm not like, hey, Badger. Go back and watch. I may have been watching. They are still good. Not that I dislike. I have not watched this

property. We watched Toad a couple years ago, and we were like, this is funny. Toad is funny. Scott, you made a persuasive argument, though though that i can't like get out of my mind now of the presence of control toad is what's left like toad is the only one that you control what no you don't not toad or sorry no teacups yes yeah i'm so upset i got so focused on the control. Did we just reveal that Jason thought for maybe 37 years

that he's been controlling the car on Mr. Toad? Yeah, and I go beep beep and they get out of the way. I say beep beep and the other car, and these doors open every time. That judge, he steps the fuck off. Every time Jason gets off, he goes, I am a good driver. I am a good driver. I yell, spin those beers, man steps the fuck off. Every time Jason gets off, he goes, I am a good driver. I am a good driver. I yell, spin those beers, man.

Spin those beers. Jason conducts everything like an orchestra. So yes. So you're saying that's a teacup argument? That's a teacup argument. Because control, look, we're all searching for control in our own lives. And it's really hard because so much is out of our control in our own lives. And for that brief moment on the teacups, we are in control.

We are in control. We can choose our destiny for however long it is, two minutes or whatever. It's a conundrum because searching for control is folly. And accepting that you are out of control of much in your life. It's harder to do. It's very hard to do, but it's something we all need to realize because so much of our anxiety comes from trying to maintain control. But if you accept reality as it is,

you're probably going to have an easier go of it. Yes. That's an argument for Mr. Toad is what you just made. That became like seeking control. Well, not exactly because so in fatigue up you can you do have control so you can spin her as much as as little as you want it's a brief moment when you do actually have control that's your relish it jason turned it into mr toad which is a wild ride that you should just give yourself over to life. Well, I don't know if you've seen the end of Parenthood, but you start to realize that life, and especially Parenthood, is just a wild rollercoaster if you just laugh. Are you talking about the...

Go on with it. I'm assuming that's both the conclusion of the two-hour movie and the multi-season TV show. I couldn't tell you that one. Oh, okay. No, just every episode of parenthood um does somebody else want to do it i don't think i know i it's really tricky here because here's what i think ultimately mr toad again the movement of it separated from the ride the vehicle's cute is cute i, and also interesting and fun.

The ride vehicle itself is like, it kind of jerks you around. And I don't know if that's so much fun without spinning beers. I don't know if you take away the flats and the opening doors and the beep beeps. I don't know that that's so much fun. And again, the teacup is fun

wherever you are neptune the moon center of the earth swamp swamp this is a good this is a good thing to go back to i think it's been a reliable like very reliable pushing pushing over the edge very reliableushing the teacup to like the extra spin. I haven't decided, by the way. I will say I like the brutal curved like fiberglass plastic of the teacup. I don't want to be in it for more than three to five minutes, but I kind of like it. I'm going to go with teacup.

I'm going teacup too. All right. Then I will just counterbalance that with Mr. Toad, but it's impossible to be upset about that. Yeah. Teacup. Yeah. I mean, it's the cleaner pick.

I wish there was a final four that had Mr. Toad in it. So I will kick the next one to Jason, and that is Casey Jr. versus Tron Light Cycle. Ooh, boy. You know, we don't, you can just say your pick now if you want. Oh, sure, yeah. I mean, if we all want to go home soon. Yeah, I, boy, this is tough.

Casey Jr. is very cute, and there's lots of different options and it's very fun to see from a distance Tron Light Cycle does glow okay I thought this was a lock for Casey yeah I mean I think it is I think it is I think I'm gonna

throw it to Casey but I'm not gonna be mad yeah I think what we're learning at least i'm learning about myself today is that i value high quality whimsy over high quality reality sure and obviously the tron light cycle is very realistic not whimsical it's a sci-fi kind of whimsy it's like the real game grid. But I think Tron Light Cycle might win against some other things. But yes, the full Casey Jr. train,

you see it all. It's hard to pass that up. But it's uncomfortable if I'm in the cage. But I don't have to run in the cage. Think about a child. Think about when you were a child. Yeah, I do all the time.

Constantly thinking about that. The whole point of everything I think about. Yes. It's a problem. Sometimes. It's an issue. Himena, himena. Yeah, I've done that a couple times. Okay, Harold, let me ask this question. him and him and a couple of times. Okay. Here,

let me ask this question. Do, are we taking out when Casey jr. Talks and sings on the ride that we have to take that out of like, when he's like, it sounds like he's has asthma and he's, we're going up a hill and he's like, is that not involved here?

I don't know. We said the beep, beep, beeps were part of Back to the Future. Okay, they were. But not Mr. Toad. Right. Those are beep, beep, beeps in the room. This is a ride that is kind of alive, and it overcomes adversity. It gets up that hill.

That's true, yes. It's like a little train that could a different totally i know the story of casey jr yeah the fable the legend but isn't it but isn't it also a great story that once there was a big cool motorcycle that glowed, and it thought that it could go very fast. You know what? And it did, and it blew everybody's faces back, and it glowed all the way. Here's what I'll say. I'm actually going to transport myself back into a child's brain. Believe it or not, very unusual for me to do.

Think back to being a kid. And think about, let's say, 8, 9, 10 years old. I'm a kid. Which one do I want outside of the ride in my backyard and I could ride around on it? The answer is Tron. Yeah. Yeah. Even then.

I think KC Jr. is great. It looks cool. They would win against so many of these other ones. It's Tron. Wow. Ooh. So this puts it on me. As a kid, honestly, I like KC Jr. more now as an adult and not as a kid.

Because as a kid, I'd go, neon lights, motorcycle? Are you kidding me? It's Tron. But none of us have ridden Tron. You're saying that purely theoretical. I know what Tron's like. Okay. It lasts about a minute 15.

It's awesome for the minute 15. You're going to be like, oh, it's kind of short. But oh, wow, it was cool. Those lights and the, in the it's like pony express which i find very fun and exciting where you're kind of like motorcycle uh position we were saying before we started recording i think in losing vehicles of a genre well you know one can live on in the other of course yeah and that and i think pony express lives on in Tron Light Cycle. Yes. I think Hagrid, the motorcycle part, lives on in Tron Light Cycle.

Yes. I really liked that last argument, Mike. I think it's Tron Light Cycle for me. Yeah. Oh, Casey Jr., the cute, getting crushed. Eat shit, Casey Jr. But everything else is cute. That's what's interesting about where we go now.

Everything is cute. Yeah. All the ones that are left are cute in what I'm calling the perminiscer sentados por favor. OK, good. So first one. Oh, this is interesting. Let's let's I think this goes to Mike first. And it is Dumbo, the flying elephant versus Slinky Dog. Slinky Dog versus Dumbo. And we've said a lot at this point. Some of the same arguments for both

and now they go against each other. Right, right, right, right. So again, I'm trying, we were trying to take nostalgia even out of it if they both came out today. And Dumbo was not even one of my favorite movies as a kid i liked i liked dumbo but it was not like peter it was not like pan i love it was a pan kid i was a snow white kid uh i wanted it to be michael and the seven dwarves i wanted snow white out of there i wanted to hang out with the

dwarves but dumbo i liked but dumbo's a weird sad movie yeah and probably wouldn't have cracked my top five i liked pinocchio better than dumbo so it makes it tough to go up against something from toy story toy story is we grew up with and they made they stay so good right my biggest criticism is like four is oh four is like less a little less good of a masterpiece masterpiece. When the bar is masterpiece. But still like a fun movie. Still, I had it on every day for a long time because of the boy and it was, I was not mad at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, Slinky Dog. Wow. Yeah. Sure about it. I'm pretty sure about it. Interesting, both of these creatures are smiling. They're both smiling. That was, I think, an endorsement.

That pushed me for a slinky dog, but it kind of negates itself, having both of them smiling. Once you remove the part of nostalgia that, again, is like you see the stock report of Disneyland, of the kids in the Dumbo flying elephants,

once you take that away, you come out into your backyard and you see Slinky or you see Dumbo, both good, by the way, neither one bad, but you see Slinky or Dumbo. I got more affection for Slinky. But wait,

do you need the whole, are you saying the whole Slinky? Yes. Because you would need like, you couldn't chop it up in pieces. In this scenario, I own that Michaelisner house that he was selling which is like has 10 houses on a property so there's enough room for

the whole slinky dog vehicle i it's slinky i think it's slinky okay oh god this is so much of what i want this is what i want from an adult's point of view and a kid point of view. This fulfills both things. Hmm. It bends. It takes a character who was not a ride. Right. You know, you have your Back to the Future, and then you make the car, and it looks like

the cupid slinky wasn't a ride before, but when we know about him, he bends and stretches. He shrinks. He's very flexible. Again, the ride. Too flexible to be human. And he is the ride. again the right flexible to be human he is the ride the track is not the ride he is the ride the vehicle is the ride in this instance i think like the surrounding stuff is great and it makes everything better in the uh uh seeing wheezy at the end sing is amazing amazing but i think this is this is this is pure this is what. This is what I...

This is finally a juncture where I feel like, should I represent classic? And how much of Disney is built on Dumbo? Do we need to represent classic? Does it matter? Well, I think that's everyone's individual decision. It's like a gut decision. A personal decision between you and your God.

And your pastor, yeah. And your pastor, yeah. Do you want to represent Classic in a tournament like this? Jason, do you know? Looking, hmm. His paws are pointed up. He's got those fun paws. They're big.

Again, and his seat is on the ride. Imagine you're shrunk down to figure size. Yeah. And you could go on Slinky, your good friend who you do like more than Dumbo. Yeah. We all like him more than Dumbo. There's no question about that. I want everyone to admit they like Slinky more than Dumbo.

Of course I do. Jason, admit it. Yeah, I think that's right. All right, good. Listener, I want you to pause this and admit it to yourself now in your car or wherever you are. If you're in a Starbucks, I want you to make an announcement right now to the Starbucks that you like Slinky better than Dumbo. Just yell to the room. Yes.

I like Slinky more than Dumbo. Right, and then run. Yes. I like Slinky more than Dumbo. Right. And then run out. Whatever you're doing. Push. Kick the door open and run out. Yeah. Wait.

Wait. Yeah, I know. It's like classic. Oh, like this isn't classic. I care about. It's some movie. It's boring. Weird.

The ride vehicle's not bad. It's great. Yeah. But Slinky versus Dumbo. Something that doesn't feel right to me about Slinky ending up being the best. Forget the past. Kill it if you must. Okay.

That's what I say. I'm going to save my classic vote. I'm going to give it to Slinky. Okay. But there's no fucking way I'm letting Tron win this. All right. Okay. well well let's get into the pit then i might you know then i'll just say slinky but for anyone keeping the records i want more i think it tops the model of if you're we're in a cute character this is this is this

for the 20 i'll be honest i'm disappointed in both of these answers in the sense that both of them were like, I guess Slinky versus just an emphatic Slinky is the answer. I think it's tough for me in a way because it's a ride that I've been on I think only once. And it's in this one park and it's not like replicated everywhere.

I feel like it's like it's some kind of institutional guilt that I'm supposed to pick Dumbo. But maybe you're right, Mike. Maybe you can help me break through that. Just burn the sacred Jedi texts is what I'm saying. Not page turners. Doesn't matter.

Not page turners. They are not. They are not. So that's my feeling. Okay. Well, then let's hash this one out. I think Jason is setting up a 12 angry men scenario. We don't get to leave the room.

I don't, Tron is one of the oddest phenomena. Like you were saying, like you found both those movies particularly boring. I don't think I've ever sat down and watched either all the way through. I think it is a movie. It doesn't matter. Irrelevant.

But it's a fucking, the institutional stuff comes up the movements come up i can't i can't get it out of my mind is that tron is a thing that exists purely on aesthetics yes it's like a hollow piece it's like what what do you want a theme park but aesthetics kinder no i think all right it's not i think that the just aesthetics is probably not a great thing for theme parks. Well, no, I would disagree with that. Okay, it's not completely irrelevant in the sense that I just posed the argument of character that you like because it's basically just decide which character you like and who you want to be on a ride with.

So, yes, your affection for the thing does come into play. It comes into play. So the teacups are winning by a country mile in that respect. I mean, yeah, the Tron-like cycle looks cool and it glows, but I don't have the personal affection. I have not ridden it, so I don't have the direct experience. And it's also kind of like, it like one of those those kinder ball candies where they can't trust americans to have a toy inside so it's just a hollow ball with the

the toy next to it it's just full of air it's just full of hot air there's nothing in the middle but there is a toy in those they just separate it from the chocolate so there is a toy. Yeah, like over there. I'm saying Tron is kind of hollow. Like Tron, I don't know. I don't, but the thing about the ride, I think everybody likes this ride, but the ride, you got to take away from it. Yeah. Well, and if you guys,

then you definitely have to take away the IP. And also, then what are we putting in? Alice in Wonderland? There are no big teacups in Alice in Wonderland. Then we're really off the tracks. That's true. there's no part where they get in a big teacup they sip a teacup well then they grow and shrink

spin around in this all day long if I could and I'd probably do it alone you said you'd only want to be in one for 3-5 minutes yeah but I don't want to be on a roller coaster all day. People can change within minutes. We're all full of contradictions.

I love the teacups. Is it not to be human or to be contradicting yourself constantly? It's the most philosophical episode. Yes, which, yes, it has to be in a lot of ways because we're trying to, yeah. We're just trying to parse through this, grappling with big questions. Again, I think control, I think that the fact that you, this is an instance where you can control as much or as little as you want. Okay, the last time Tron was in this tournament, I, again, aesthetically, I really convinced myself of the greatness of it because it is more hitting me on an adult level and a child level because I've said this before.

I could not have cared less about the old west or like old time whimsy when I was little. When I was little, it was all about space. It was all about Tomorrowland. It was always about colored lights. And that's what this has this is my teenage dream my child's dream and my my adult dream of a cool vehicle to ride on i wish i wish i had the balls to trip out my car in the way you see those obnoxious cars sometimes there's like lights coming underneath the car when they're driving at night and like they've customized their dashboard and there's different colored lights like i wish i could do

that i don't want to do that because i feel like i don't want to call attention to myself on the street and soon it'll be like like pretty cool ride huh now let me just get my three-year-old out of the back yeah yeah it probably doesn't work but I do admire it sometimes when I see it. The people that have custom lights by the door handle inside. You can do a lot of crazy stuff like that. Because that, as a kid, would have been my dream, to have a car that has neon bright cool lights. I just saw that the company is making a color change car,

which is unbelievable. Wait, the lights underneath the car car itself oh okay my god yes just imagining mike pulling up like at a stop like a drag racing scene and the other guy turns up like cool music and then mike turns up like hey it's a little steven's garage you're here with me a little ste. Perfect aesthetic match to a growy car. Uh-huh. Ah. Ah.

This is so hard. But the ride, yes. It's tough. It's tough, tough. Now, the only thing I would dock, Tron, is that once you take away the big rooms with the lights, you are getting less lights. That is part of it. You are getting less lights. There's lights on the vehicle, but a big part of that experience is going into that little, that light room and you feel like you're on the grid.

I mean, ease of riding too. Like, it's simple. You just walk up to the line and get in line for the teacups trying like okay i did the virtual you know that's not part of the railroad track it's so far away all modern rides made after 2012 are a pain in the ass to ride that is a requirement for modern rides we set the rules here's this is all right let me just i've been annoyed all day. We set the rules. All right. Let me just... I've been annoyed by everything Jason said in this round. Very well. However, I think I am going to land at teacups.

Maybe if I land at teacups now, we won't have to hear any more arguments that are irrelevant. Well, we'll see. I think something that influenced me, I'm looking at Google images of Tron Light Cycle, and I found what I think is Len Testa of Touring Plans in the Disney Dish. I think this is him testing the one outside, and he looks kind of uncomfortable. And I don't know. Maybe that's just him. I shouldn't let that impact.

But as opposed to nobody's unhappy in a teacup, you know? Look, if that is indeed Len Testa and he didn't like it, then it's teacups. He might have liked the ride. He just, like, this specific photo. Yeah. You're going with teacups, too? Well, because of Len? Because of Len.

In solidarity with Len? Everything I just said. You're concerned about him contorting his spine. Yeah. Well, yeah, everything I said I don't believe in anymore because of what you just said about Len. Wow. Well, that took a turn. Okay.

And that brings us to, what the hell did I call it? The full and complete stop top two. Wow. So we now are at, I'm happy with the top two. Slinky Dog versus Teacups. This could have easily been Dumbo versus Teacups who this could have this could have easily been dumbo verse teacups which i'll ultimately when i think that dumbo and teacups are the two most iconic ride vehicles makes sense i like that it's both things that are silly to be in if you know let's let's step outside of

theme park super fans and let's go to your grandfather or a teacher or a visiting dignitary that like walt would have used to i i don't even know who he was republican senator yeah yeah think about an evil man who harmed this country irreparably and think about walt taking this person and like look how silly me in a big teacup me in a giant dog Robert Byrd sitting in a teacup 90 years old that's right yeah so I think we're in the

right you know but tech is represented Slinky Dog is current and I like that we have a 2010s versus a 1955 yes classic versus newer oh who wants to even have a 2010s versus a 1955. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. So classic versus newer. Oh, who wants to even start? Well, I'll say that's in favor of teacups. Much more whimsical color palette. Yeah. I mean, there's a very, each car though is different. Yeah. But there's quite a few of them.

Yeah. So there's different styles. It's pretty wide range. In this instance, though, I think we would only be going with one ride vehicle or no? I guess at Casey Jr. we were looking at the whole train, so I guess not. I guess it is the full slate of cups. It's all the cups?

I think that it comes in all these varieties, so I think you can... I guess you have to consider all the cups. Yeah. Not just... And maybe we would have to consider all the cups yeah not just and maybe we would have to i will go i'll go back and edit something where we i add and say all the cups when we start talking in the other rounds i i started thinking just now well what did they look like to begin with because that's something we didn't really rule on right kind of which era

and i thought well surely the mad tea party teacups of yesteryear, of yesterland, as I'm looking at right now, were jankier, hard steel, cut kids in the back while the spinning happened. But in fact, what I'm looking at is kind of what it looks like today. It's the same sort of fun, jagged patterns, very similar color palette. I'm actually surprised. I think probably Dumbo has changed more than the teacups. So you really are honoring 1955 and something they got right pretty early. Yeah. I think if you would call anything in media untouchable,

I think it's Mary Blair's use of color. Did she do the teacups? Well, no, I think she did Alice. I think she established so much of the look of Alice, I think is credited to her and other small world. Maybe she drew the things on the outside. I don't know. It's a good question

but i think it's hard to improve which is interesting to think about because when people talk about her it's like oh she would just kind of combine she went off her instincts and her gut a lot she would combine like you know different pairings and oh Hmm. So there is a, I'll give it this. There's this simplicity, of course, to the Cubs versus Slinky, which is a big sort of unruly thing. It's a big coaster,

but you know, there's something to be said for simplicity, I guess, of design. Yeah. You know what? I'm seeing Jason's right. I think according to one website,

at least that she did design them. So these, these designs on the back. So you're getting a Mary Blair vote. I think, according to one website at least, that she did design them. So these designs on the back... So you're getting a Mary Blair vote. I didn't know that, since we haven't done this as an episode. That's kind of interesting. So she picked the colors. She... Wow.

This is an interesting fact. And that pattern does feel like her aesthetic. So you're getting some like... Like you're representing Disneyland 50 you know like you're representing Disneyland 50s and 60s yeah in this hmm

I mean look we're not taking into consideration but if you want to go back and watch a classic Disney purely for aesthetics Alice is I think the most pleasing to the eye the movie sure and I guess the movie is relevant in that is, I think, the most pleasing to the eye. The movie. The movie, yeah.

Sure. And I guess the movie is relevant in that you do maybe want to live in the world of a movie if there is a movie in the attraction, at least vibe-wise. I mean, Slinky Dog, it's your friend. It's your friend Slinky Dog. It is.

Yeah. It's him and his seat. The teacups have handles. I like that you step up onto a plate. The first step is you have to step onto that little plate and then climb inside of a cup. Right. And that there's always a little like do-si-do you got to do to fit in there. Right, right, right.

I like closing that little door. I like that the door protects you, but it's very slight. It's not some big scary locking mechanism. You make a great point. Both closing the door and the do-si-do to like scooch on in. That's fun.

But the slinky dog I find satisfying as well. I find sitting on that seat fun. It's not, you know, it's not comfortable like the people mover, but it does feel good.

That's open air. And you know, you're not too locked in. It's not a crazy high. We haven't really even talked about harnesses at all. We talked to early on about it and we never really brought it up again, but there's not a crazy intrusive harness, which is rare on a coaster right so you really

feel like you're getting the wind in your hair on on slinky dog and it's not in a restrictive way like on uh uh in credit coaster or something but so are you on teacups i would say that's true you're getting wind in your hair and maybe you aren't even going way up a hill. And a kid can get that wind. You're always going to be spinning to some degree in the teacups. Yes. Yeah. And on this earth. To some degree.

Yeah, yeah. And aren't we spinning on the earth in the same way? We're already spinning. We don't need to spin more. Now, spinning. Let me ask you as far as the sensation of spinning. I feel like people generally have more of a, of a,

not objection, but generally a version to spinning versus going sort of straight ahead or bouncing up and down a little bit on the rollercoaster track. So should we dock the teacups in a way? Because I would say there's a, probably a decent percentage of human beings on earth that don't want to spin like that because it makes them ill. I don't think so because of what Jason said earlier, which is control.

And I think, you know, you've got your big turntables. And if you only want to spin to the degree that the turntable is taking you, that's one thing. But if you want to get a group together and spin the thing as fast as you can you can do that as well that is pretty this is innovative for 1955 yeah this is some early bob gurr and again i don't know his specific participation if i look it up in bob gurr but it is i think we're stuck i think i mean aero development is involved major a major company. Again, irrelevant. But if I see the name Bob Gurr, what choice do we have?

We're going to say, I'd rather tell Slinky Dog to go away than Bob Gurr. Well, I don't want to tell Bob Gurr to go away. So now you put this on the table, it would be upsetting to me to do that. It's tough. I know, Mike, what you're saying with the aversion because I think Jane avoids the teacups. A lot of people avoid the teacups. In the same way that like- The stomach.

But we did ride Slinky Dog last time we were in Florida. Now, I love to spin. Yeah, me too. I was spinning in a chair, in a little chair with my daughter yesterday. I loved it. And I'm a man in his late 30s. So are you proposing that we put your chair in it instead?

I would like to sub out the teacups for the office chair that I spun in yesterday. Let's put your daughter in both. Let's let her make the call. I think she'd like teacups better. Probably. Sure. I think that she would like teacups better at this stage. Hmm. would like teacups better at this stage hmm here's i think that with one of these choices

that you represent a lot of history you represent tradition at the park i you know the you know what's alive in the teacups is all carnival teacup ride the idea of the ride mechanism in general as it exists outside of Disneyland even like the most basic primal a ride that spins round and round you also represent something that isn't Slinky Dog where you're suddenly small and you're in a big thing you get that in this you get bright colors you get to choose one you get control i think just like all of these facets that you would want out of any ride vehicle worth its weight in salt worth its salt what's the phrase whatever however you feel about salt weight in gold it's gold not so worth its weight in salt that's another this is so great that if you added the salt and the amount of it,

you could sell that salt for a lot of money. Everything you said is good, and it's correct, and it's a good persuasive argument. But if you go outside and you see Slinky, you got a friend there. That's a friend. But my relationship has been longer with the teacups but can you be friends with a cup i don't think that it's a requirement to be friends with any of these vehicles it's not a requirement but what do you value do you do you value history or do

you value friendship more that's my question do you value friendship with a fictional character right who you have not met and who you do not interact with when you're on the ride vehicle scott mentioned another good point not just the scooching and the door closing but yeah that moment of oh i want the purple one or oh i want the green one and then racing to get it yeah you don't get snaked that's fun other rides pull up and they choose for you it. Yeah. So you don't get snaked. That's fun. Other rides pull up and they choose for you. It's just whatever. It's just luck of the draw.

It's fun to be able to go pick. My mind is made up. It's teacups. And tossing it to the wind. I'm going to give it to teacups. Wow. Well, that's it. But Mike, wait a minute.

Take one shot at the buzzer. I... This is tough because I would rather Dumbo win than teacups win. Then what happened? Because I like Slinky better than Dumbo. Well, we could really say screw it. Okay, we could all decide right now to give it to Dumbo instead of the teacups. Dumbo is also an element of control.

You can go up and down. True. There is an element of control. That would really screw the rules. I'm not changing mine. No, no, me neither. Well, I'm going to vote for... You're holding up the victory party.

The teacups are waiting to get full with Gatorade and champagne, and you're holding them up. Let them go. Let them go. Enjoy their victory spin. You just brought up a different thing that maybe that assuaged me. You can fill up the teacup with champagne and ride it. I mean.

I guess you could do that with Slinky, too. In theory, if you are at, I think one of, didn't like Nick Cannon and Mariah Carey, one of his marriages, didn't he get married at Disneyland? Yes, yeah, yeah. Or they renewed their vows or something? Okay. Well, yeah, something like that. You know, maybe at that level.

Those two could have and should have filled up a teacup with champagne and then swam around in it and gulped it up. Okay, now this is, yes, they should have done that. Having a teacup, you can do, Jason, you can fill that teacup up with broth and you could have a little like broth bath every night. Okay, this is an interesting new wrinkle, me and broth. It's going to make him switch his vote. He doesn't want to burn alive in brawn yeah i don't know if i i know it's kind of uh the last few years it's been very uh bone broth has been a big like

superfood kind of thing all right on that i'm not of tea cups are the winner of i hate to interrupt the bone broth story but tea cups are the winner. Oh, five. That was a ride. Giant teacup filled with champagne also sounds like it'd be on the rider for the Deuces are Wild residency. Well, that's true. You know? All right. It could have been milk.

We have got an Aerosmith representation in there somehow. Our congratulations to the teacups on a well-earned victory. Hey, you've stuck in there for many years however long disneyland's been open i don't care to do that math uh but since 1955 a classic and uh you did it the original spin doctors as i like to say the teacups and uh uh yeah hey um a very interesting discussion i think we got to the right player we are we all ultimately happy are you going to be uh this honestly this of all the ones we've done so far this one feels the most wrong as far as the winner to me i don't know why i feel like i feel like not bad but i feel like we did something wrong here today i'm i'm curious what the listeners think i think this one by making it a little bit more real of a discussion,

something that you actually could talk about if you had a group of people with as insular of interest as us. You should talk this out with anybody you care to. You pick your favorite. You fill out the bracket, which we'll post. If anything didn't make it to the 32, and it should have, give us a good justice for, give us a hashtag justice for, whatever. You fill out the bracket, which we'll post. If anything didn't make it to the 32, and it should have, give us a good justice for, give us a hashtag justice for whatever.

For the one that I liked your pitch, Jason, I'll say justice for Knights in White Satin Mobile. Good idea. Ultimately, I was like, was it a good ride vehicle? And I looked at it, and I could not say that it was. It's just kind of a default. It's just kind of a default. It was just kind of a default. I just threw some, I had some in there where I was like, like the Omnibus.

Isn't that just a car? I think you had to take out some, yeah. Ultimately, yeah. I think ride vehicles have to be moved by some mechanism. What's more fun than the teacups? Maybe most of the rides we said. However, it feels right-ish to me. Does it not feel right-ish

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