Podcast: The Ride - Fixing Tomorrowland

Episode Date: August 9, 2024

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FOREVER! DOG! button. Toward the back is an old rotating theater that rotates no longer, where a man named John once told us about his new oven. Can this land be salvaged? Can the future be saved? We roll up our sleeves and get to work, fixing Tomorrowland on Podcast The Ride, where today we roll up our sleeves and do what the disney corporation hasn't for over 30 years i'm scott garriner joined by mike carlson i'm here it's where it's the burden we've got feel the weight of what we're doing today yes and you know besides the weight of literal uh shovels and dirt and uh construction equipment you know there's no real way but the mental weight the weight and in trying to figure out how to fix this problem which i'm sure nobody in the

building has even attempted never never never jason shared and i you know it was a land that we've encountered and talked a lot about like a lot of essays, a lot of writing videos, talk about Tomorrowland almost forgotten about, you know, when Disneyland first opened, like very under powered. And it took a long time to add some real media traction. Oh, that's yes.

Well, yes. Well, as we've covered this, you know, slowly, sporadically, barely over the course of the last two years, the Tomorrowland problem, we have discovered it is a problem from the root, from the get-go. They just jammed a bunch of stuff in there because they didn't know what else to do.

Things that were exciting at the time got out of date very fast. There have been successful re-dos, overlaysays successful entire other tomorrowlands and other parks but we of course are focused on the disneyland tomorrowland which has pretty much sucked shit since the failed redo in 1998 the redo that made everything worse and uh it now takes us to this point where we tried to figure out how to do it ourselves, how to fix Tomorrowland at Disneyland specifically. Yeah. And we've decided to do it in a unique way. This was the thing I've concocted a while ago. And hopefully it turns out that this was the best way to do it.

But we're going to take different approaches. Each of us has a different assignment. We've been we've randomly chosen these assignments on a previous episode. And basically what the deal is, is we're going to try to cover all the different ways Disneyland could fix Tomorrowland. With no budget at all, or barely a budget. With sort of a good, healthy budget. And in their normal, synergistic corporate thinking and then we're also going to give one of us or scott of course is going to get a blue sky heavy big budget to do

cool stuff yeah who knows what he's concocted we don't know anything we don't know anything we haven't told each other what we're doing yet so each of us are coming at it from a different budget and a different philosophy and different these are very like different thought exercises. Yes. I would say, you know, like there's varying degrees of realism versus science fiction, much like Tomorrowland itself. Yes. So, yeah. So when we're all done here, I mean, I'm not saying we have to combine these three ideas at the end or anything but there will be we can probably get uh good stuff from all these pitches and we can really assess

in all the different ways you could possibly assess uh how to fix tomorrow and we will now have a full picture of it and this is look will disney listen and will they take any of the things we say and apply them i don't think so but'll see. Maybe they don't say anything about Tomorrowland at the upcoming D23 conference. Yes. And they do learn from us. I don't know. Well, that's, you know,

and we are kind of in the middle of a block of episodes related to the upcoming, I think tomorrow as of the day this is released, the D23 Horizons Disney Experiences Showcase. Yes. Which rolls off the tongue, which we all have been saying as naturally as the names of our partners and children.

Yes. So, you know, here on Horizons Disney Experiences Showcase Eve, this is an interesting juncture point, I think, to determine, you know, what if some of the stuff we say gets done then we'll know that they didn't steal it from us because that day is frankly too much time to too little time to turn that around yeah uh but or will they uh say nothing at all which is something that i literally bet money on if you didn't hear the episode about betting on D23, which just happened on the second gate. I recommend that one.

You can see if you agree with our assessments, if you think our money place was foolish. And then once again on Sunday, we're going to do an early episode for that week on the main feed where we go through all of the news we actually do get. Right. And see if it is uh exciting is it as exciting as a blue sky version or does it have the uh hollow ring of a low budget version well it's going to be very interesting there's a two we're doing two episodes essentially where we are making predictions or like casting uh uh our hopes and dreams onto the disney company so we're really going to get to see if anything we said comes true.

And that's exciting for me personally. Yeah. That's coming. We don't usually have something like this. This scenario is sort of unique. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when an event as unique as D23 Horizons Disney Experience Showcase comes up, you have to be as unique along with it.

Yes. It's going to, boy, I hope it blows the rafters, blows the roof off the Honda Center. Yeah. I mean, hopefully they retire Josh DeMauro's suit or casual shirt, casual tie-less shirt. In the rafters. In the rafters, yeah, yeah.

In a way usually reserved for athletes or for Billy Joel in Madison Square Garden. So anyways, yes, as you said, via a randomized order, we figured out who was going to do low, mid and big. And actually, let me also say really quickly that we are recording this on a day where earlier today i set foot on disney property for the first time in a little over six months wow i have not been down there nearly at all and i ended up down there for a uh i mean it was a day of fun in anaheim not disneyland but that ended up with a delightful father-son lunch with my four-year-old boy at Trader Sam's. Wow.

This was like, he'd never been there before. This was such a success and such a delight. Like, not inside. We were out on the patio, but getting some island vibes, just like put me in a good place to ideate here. It reminded me of how crucial it is that we pass these places down to the next generation. Right. That we and Disney

and all of us together make it so that we have a vibrant Disneyland and that depends on a vibrant Tomorrowland. I think so. And it was very,

this was just resonating in my head. Another thing this reminded me of is how much I like hazy IPAs. Oh, wow. Well, one single one. Wow, you're loose for this episode.

No, no, that was hours ago. There was a nap in the intervening time. Oh, wow, Jason, you can appreciate that. I know, I'm living it up. Beer, nap, podcasting with the boys on a Sunday. What a chilled out day. I napped because the heat was making me

lightheaded okay all right i think that was probably in there for me too it's been it's been crazy in uh in la recently um but anyways uh so so that said uh when we kind of digitally drew straws jason had the assignment of coming up with the lowest budget version that's still that's it's an interesting thing because that does it's still called fixing tomorrow yeah there still is the burden of like you have to consider it somehow something has to be fixed despite and i don't know how low you mentally put your budget and i'm excited to to hear yeah geez we're gonna have to well i tried my best uh we're gonna try because like somehow i started getting emails that the budget was being the imaginary budget was being slashed it kept happening so but i that's right i think

you put yourself through the right mental exercise absolutely yeah do you want me to get started i suppose so let's do it jason fix tomorrow land i should just real quick say before like part of our job will be sort of saying okay what you've just proposed maybe that seems like out of budget or that seems out of character maybe for the disney so there will be so we'll be doing a little of sort of judging as we go or toward the end and then we'll have a discussion about it that's what i was gonna say is that i think the role of the others uh in in in the individual presentations i think should be to uh push it further in the direction that it's supposed to be in if we feel like the low budget broke the rules a little bit right we can nudge it mike

yours as the realism i think you know probably needs the most curtailing and if mine doesn't use enough imagination exactly yeah i need your help with that so it'll be sort of and i think it's like it's up to up to all of us individually do we want to just monologue for a while do we want feedback from the peanut gallery it's really up to you yeah we'll feel it out yeah yeah yeah so yeah you know if we're just seems stressed oh geez uh you do i'm trying my best alright I'm going to go ahead and start budget tomorrow land

budget tomorrow land fair warning I'm going low to high so if it seems a little not up to your speed just bear with me alright first things first you know all those planters in tomorrowland

yeah uh the ones where are they located they they they're all around they've got like cabbages and they've got different bushes the idea in 98 at some point was that all right it's all edible stuff and i don't remember how much they committed to that but anyway is it over by star tours and stuff like all around you're saying all around everywhere okay okay sorry sorry sorry yes good news those planners are all getting new sod wow okay great okay all right the crowd's freaking if this if you're tomorrow right now they're all everybody the audience is about to faint. AG Sod Farms is coming through. They're giving us a sponsorship. No money, but up to 14 bags of sod.

So that's coming through. Very good, yes. Star Tours, unchanged. Wait, no, I'm so sorry. The stanchions outside, you know that really brutal extended queue in the sunlight? Right, yeah. That area is getting new ropes on the stanchions. Okay, what kind of ropes? The same nylon, but it's just a little less clawed at by heat-stroked children.

Yeah, kids will wear that down. That's smart. That's good. You need that. Right. Yeah. Okay, really good news. We're That's smart. That's good. You need that. Yeah. Okay. Really good news. We're turning the

Orbitron back on. The kinetic sculpture that used to go off every few minutes. Right. It's coming back. Is it the Observatron? Are you thinking of Orbidon from the E.T. adventure?

The character? We're always thinking of Orbidon. E.T. adventure? The character? We're always thinking of Orbadon. Is that his name, Orbadon? No, look, I'm asking that to myself, too, because it's said in my presentation as well. So I'm not totally. But the point is. It's back. Wow.

It's coming back. They're flipping the on switch. Soon you'll be able to stand there and go, like, what is that? Interesting. And people around you will go, sir, this is the could you keep moving wow it'll confuse new generations yeah that's right and that will cost a little money so just want to keep it in mind i'm not saying it's out of bounds but i think it will cost a little money to turn that back on yeah and we gotta switch out right the cd player for like a pono or something, like an MP3 player.

Neil Young's Pono is what you're saying? High quality audio. Right. That costs $500 per player, I believe. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. So that's going to be powering that.

It's the highest ticket item, I think, the whole time. So far, yeah. So far. Okay. How about this? Space Mountain. The giant crosshairs outside of Space Mountain are getting a fresh coat of paint. Wow. This is kind of a throwback to Tomorrowland 98 where much of the budget went to paint.

Yes. Got it. Still crosshairs? Yeah. It's still unsettling crosshairs that you can't get anywhere near and is taking up a lot of room. Some might say it's supposed to be like, oh, this is for a rocket. This is where a rocket would land.

Got it, yeah. But it does look like crosshairs. But a ride on a rocket has never, nothing interesting has ever happened. No, the rocket was removed, so maybe one day it'll come back. Not for this budget. Not this, no, no.

Okay. Very good news uh star wars launch bay is glowing away forever wow it's glowing away and that building has a brand new sponsor and this is a big one google okay okay old interventions they got a lotnoventions is now becoming the Chromebook Clubhouse. You know Chromebooks, the computers that are made so cheaply they just give them away to schools. Well, they're here and you'll be able to test out Chromebooks from any number of manufacturers. But that's not all. You'll be able to meet new original

characters the chrome critters oh now this is this is good and this is paid for by google google's covering it so disney doesn't have to do any money no nothing's more spent no more money than uh pono they are saving what's it called oh no yeah saving our Okay, you get to meet Google Chrome characters. Like, we see you're using a different browser. Google recommends using Chrome. Switch now. And your Google Drive is filling up. Buy more space.

And everyone's favorite character, Green Text Balloon. Hey, it's Green Text Balloon. He's walking around. He's got arms and legs okay can i ask a couple questions yeah um how will you meet them are they in animatronic form are they a plot like a mascot type character they're like a costume cat they walk around they're like little little bubbles they look like the little pop-ups we all love you know got it and you see all the time if you're using saf or Firefox on a laptop.

Right, right. But the other good thing about this carousel building, if you're looking for a place to warm up on those chilly Southern California evenings. Of course. Oh, yeah, famously, yes. Southern California does get a little chilly much of the year. You gotta bring a light sweater. Especially in winter. Well, you're gonna want to head for Chromebook Clubhouse because just like

using Chrome browser on a laptop, this building gets very hot. And that's for accuracy's sake. Google demanded that. Google will pay for it, but you're gonna have to change the building to make it hot. There will be some technological upgrade. It's going to naturally

get hot. All those Chromebooks in there and then people are going to be trying the Chromebook browser, checking their email, presumably. Okay, okay. That's going to be hot. You've got to think about air conditioning here. You're going to need a solid

system. Okay, so keep going around uh the horn uh finding nemo subs unchanged yeah autopia unchanged electric versions on hold for now but hopefully getting back on track soon um your version put them on hold. Yeah, your version is not. It's not me. I'm doing my best. This is a blue sky situation. The thing they said that was canceled in your world. Yeah. I mean, I get, yeah. I think, I'm just clarifying.

I agree with you. I'm just, you know, I'm being loyal to the spirit of Tomorrowland 98. For better or worse. But hey, how about something more optimistic? Let's talk food in tomorrowland okay okay great yes okay uh tomorrowland terrace is about to become the dining destination of disneyland all right get ready for the food of tomorrow and by tomorrow i mean roughly 10 years ago like 2014 so we're talking cronuts we. So we're talking Cronuts.

We're talking LaCroix sparkling water. Whoa. And you better believe we're talking Sriracha mayo. Wow. Okay. That sounds good. Most Sriracha mayo you can add for a dollar to your burgers and fries, your dipping cups.

Oh, yeah. And you might get a lot, because often if that's an ingredient in something and it shows up, it's been squirted out in a very uncareful manner. Scott, you might get a lot. You might get like an eyedropper squirt. Okay?

It's part of the fun, the unpredictability. Like, we don't really know what the future's gonna hold. You know, the story, and we thought a lot about story. Yeah. The story is that the future is gonna hold you know the story and and we thought a lot about story um yeah the story is that the future is untold the future is unwritten yeah so it could really be anything i'm so glad you focused on story because i've been worried about all of our that we would all lose sight of that it's all about story it is all about story and hey speaking of story for all you easter egg fans out there, keep an eye out.

Can I, real quick, because I just remember there's something that really makes me laugh, is that I was listening to a Tony Baxter interview recently where he was a little grumpy, and Buddy was talking about Mark Davis, talking about, he goes, people keep talking about these rides are stories. They're not stories. Really? That's what he says. Whoa.

He's like, Mark Davis is like, why do they keep saying stories? They're not stories. Wow. You're just on a ride and you look at like, he really like simplified it. Like you're on a ride, you look at fun stuff or whatever, but his whole philosophy was not. I did too. I thought it was great.

Jeez. Good for, oh man. I love that. Cut through the clutter. That's funny. Wow. Cool. Maybe it's not a direct quote, but it seemed, I'm pretty sure I'm like.

But today, but today is Disney coming. He's about stories. Yes. I thought that was good. It was story. It's about story and Easter eggs. So keep an eye out because you might have a chance to see Milo from Treasure Planet's

silhouette on one of the ordering windows. Whoa. Wow. How about that? His famous presumably zigzaggy hair. His hair, he's got kind of the big, he's got the middle part that I always had growing up. Wow. And the glasses, we've got the glasses in there.

And by the way, don't think we've forgotten about Alien Pizza Planet. Alien Pizza Planet is going to have flatbreads instead of slices damn how about that in the future we'll all get to eat our own little pizza a flatbread pizza a flatbread pizza right yeah well that certainly brings the spirit of some of the rest of the resort, which all, I think every location at California Adventure particularly has flatbreads. Right. So I'm glad Tomorrowland is finally caught up to, yeah, again, the food of 10 years ago. Yeah, tomorrow is today.

Wow. Okay. Okay. Oh my God, Jason's perspiring. Yeah, yeah, you're literally wiping your face. You brought a towel. I'm not always out of breath. I didn't know you brought a towel. Jason sort of know why he's out of breath. You brought a towel.

Jason sort of embodied, when he was writing this up, he was imagining an executive breathing down his neck or something, I think. It was stressing him out. He's really lived it. Yeah, he's gone method for this. This was supposed to be a fun exercise, but it's really taken a toll on him. We got word, even in this imaginary version. What do you mean, we got word?

We, the crew, the gang. The team, the storytellers. A lot of this is dependent on the success of ESPN bets. And we're moving somebody around. This would be great. If they don't announce anything at D23 that we like, if there was just a very tired guy on stage, I guess tomorrow would have to be that.

His suit was rumpled and hair was messy. He's like, this is all dependent on ESPN bets and we can't do any of this if this betting app doesn't work out for us. I'm really sorry, you guys. Someone made a crazy multi-parlay bet on Simone Biles'

Olympic performance and she killed it. We owe that person a lot of money. I want to get to the big stuff. Great. This is kind of where most of the

80%, 95% of the budget went. Buzz light your astro blasters. We'll be glowing away. Wow really yes uh you know but this is where we spend a lot of the budget like i said buzz light your astro blasters is becoming ant-man and the wasp nano battle oh wow you know ant-man and the wasp nanobattle the hong kong dc land attraction that opened in 2019 and none of us ever talk about i've never even been curious enough to watch a ride right right right now get curious wow because it's coming to anaheim right at the front and

you're gonna thrill to all the original footage featuring Paul Rudd himself and the finest Robert Downey Jr. impersonator Fiverr has to offer. This is not a joke. Look up this ride. The joke is a ride. I thought you were going to tell us to look up this guy on Fiverr who's really good. Are there impressionists on Fiverr? That is a good idea. Nor who's really good. Are there impressionists on Fiverr? That is a good, yeah.

Oh, there's voice people, yeah. There's definitely voice people, but oh man, like specifically, like yeah, do you need a Scarlett Johansson? I got you covered, five bucks. Don't worry, by the way, the original manufacturer, Sansei Technologies,

formerly Sansei Yusuke is on board great okay so we got sansay a surely not nefarious chinese company not it's actually a japanese manufacturing firm i double checked that all right so you're gonna be able to go on this ride that i'm i don't love that because i would like more nefariousness, honestly. Okay. Yeah. You would like the nefariousness of like Arnim Zola, the computer presence who shows up as the adversary in the ride. Oh, is that true? You know Arnim Zola?

Yes. Zola shows up. I'm a big Zola guy. You and I are both big Zola guys. Big Zola guys. I guess I'm going to learn to be. Yeah. Arnim, you say?

Yeah. Arnim Zola guys. I guess I'm going to learn to be. Yeah, you guys are. Arnum, you say? Yeah. Arnum Zola. And going on this ride, you're going to get to experience shades of yellow and gray that you've never seen or thought of before. Because this ride is mostly gray and yellow. And I do have to say, this ride was going to be an original story. Unfortunately, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Kanga Lenga Ding Dong, has Jonathan Majors all over it. So it's going straight to the vault.

So we just cloned the great ride from Hong Kong. It's the same ride as Hong Kong. It's the same ride as Hong Kong. It's the same ride. Save money. I guess they shot some of it, you're saying. Yeah. It's mostly in English, and we're going to try to get the part that's not translated. Sure, sure.

We're trying. And so that's my presentation. We've gone all the way around back to the entrance. Great. So that's Budget Tomorrowland. So we got some Marvel in there. We got a new ride. We got a new ride.

We got a new corporate. Debuting in the United States for the first time. That's how you dress that up. For the first time for American visitors. For the first time. Enjoy a nano battle. We've got a huge sponsor. We've got a slightly smaller sod sponsor.

The ropes and paint, we do it to pay out of pocket. Don't love that. They got word it was Disney buying it, so they kind of got us over a barrel. Oh, yeah. So that's budget Tomorrowland redo. Well, you have questions? Well, I have questions? Well, I have thoughts. My first thoughts, you know, is that this,

all the stuff Jason said would make Tomorrowland better. Like if there was better food in Tomorrowland, which is one of my biggest gripes about Tomorrowland, is it's just like very boring pizza and bad hamburgers. Those are bad food locations. That's the worst place for food in the park. Just improving the food would give me a little bit of a better feeling about going to Tomorrowland.

Yeah. We thought we were going to get that back in like 2015 when they're like, Star Wars, Seasons of the Force. I think that was the first one. And they had Star Wars themed food and it was not it. It was not it, right. Yeah. So what i'm saying is all of the things i think you said are a net positive for tomorrowland ultimately when you put it that i know it's like i the the beleaguered tone and the apologetic tone does kind of like uh belie that you're right these are all like achievable improvements that are right

that yeah i don't know i mean the biggest question is if you can yeah these they are all a net positive the biggest question is if they could actually call that a fully new tomorrow right does that fix i think they would i I think they would. But you feel comfortable fully calling that a new Tomorrowland? I think so. Yeah. Do you think, how much paint? Because clearly, if we're going 98 style, at the very least, you got to paint. Right.

I think so. I think one U-Haul cargo, however much we can fit in there. Tony's talked about doing a lot of this himself and there's going to be a real hands-on everyone on board kind of endeavor don't make him do it again yeah they will hire him as a painter not really pay him because it's like well look you wouldn't look the money don't you have enough money that we gave you before yeah right would you have any of that if not for us so we might need to borrow some of those Mary Poppins 2 lights and props he has in his backyard.

He made a Mary Poppins 2 backyard. Yeah, yeah. That was in the paper, I think. Yeah, I think he said that in public, so that's not like. No, I think there was a photo spread. That's not something we know from looking at his house on Google Maps. Or through binoculars. That's not from that. we didn't do that by the way either we've not looked at his house did not no either of those things nope um you know what not do you get like a you know what

else would be a good trick is just like new just like the logo because logos don't really cost money yeah logo would be great that doesn't you could throw that on and i think i think people buy that right you know you know you just like reveal the name at d23 and that's a lot sure you put it at enough places in the land you put it on t-shirts and coffee mugs and just kind of cement it in people's minds you've done like half the work what's really funny about everything you said and in the manner which you said it, well, it was obviously funny in the way you said it,

but I can imagine the way that Josh DeMauro would say all of that to like thunderous applause. Yeah. And then end with like, there's an Ant-Man ride coming and you'd be like, oh, yeah, okay. I like, Paul Rudd's a funny guy. Yeah, Paul Rudd's great. You can see just the way in which you deliver the message. ant-man ride coming and you'd be like oh that's yeah okay i like paul rudd's a funny guy like

paul rudd's great you can see just the way in which you deliver the message he's like kind of like oh and i did forget one thing then the the iconic ant-man score plays that the people in that room know and i don't i just hear like like it's not anything to me, but, like, I think just that would get a big pop. Right. It's not known enough that nanobattle is sort of nothing to write home about. Right. So, like, they might not know. Sure.

And then, like, if he does, if he frames it as kind of, like, we have revitalized the plant life all around. Yes, right. To build to a sustainable future. I think, you know, I would say you don't use the word sod public facing. God, I wish I would have thought of this. I should have called you guys. Oh, boy. Yeah.

Look, your honesty was the, like, this, what you have done is exactly how it's presented to DeMauro. And then he has to, like, take a deep breath, psych himself up in the mirror. You can do this. You can do this, you handsome devil. You can sell a fast one on him again. You've done it before. You'll do it again.

Like some sort of Boogie Nights-esque movie monologue. Oh yeah, of course. And then he steams the bomber jacket and then he goes out there. We use a hand steamer. Yeah, a hand steamer.

We have one at home. It's great. It's so convenient. Depends on the material, but yeah, they work pretty well. Yeah, so if you have mixed materials,

you don't want to use a steamer because they dry at different rates. So you don't want to use a steamer on like a men different rates so you don't want to use a steamer on like a men's suit coat there's too many layers I got it that's you got to dry clean that all the yeah

but tomorrow knows that of course you get that in executive school 70% of his job yeah that's executive school 101 yeah yeah you can deliver any message while looking sharp and it'll sail right so get your steam around Josh Yeah, yeah. You can deliver any message while looking sharp, and it'll sail. So get your steam around, Josh, and get people excited about that sod.

Yeah. I think that was pretty good. That was pretty good. It was very funny, and also, like, God, it kind of is just enough, isn't it? It's kind of just enough. Yeah. It really is just enough. Yeah, yeah.

You got some Easter eggs. You got new food alone. I feel like people come out. That's what I'm saying. I would feel like, oh, cool. I would go try the better Tomorrowland food. I'd be interested in that. You just call it like now it's Tomorrowland Bistro,

and now that's all you got to do. Yeah, I'd be like, we got to go down to the Bistro, the Tomorrowland Bistro. Let's make a trip to Anaheim if they really wanted to be risky and get a little futuristic the S could be a 2 and the O

could be a 0 right and now like ooh futuristic I guess it'd probably be I was trying to figure out like what would a digital bistro be

and then that would be distro I think that'd be too confusing distro but distro it seems like it's popping for you. Wait a minute. I do like the sound of that.

That's not bad. Uh-huh. It's not the, what's the character? Is Destro the character, DC character? Uh, that's a G.I. Joe villain? Well, I'll check it. I'll check and see which villain I'm throwing a thing on. Look, I got a lot of villains running around

in my head from my youth, so I can't keep them straight. Okay. That was excellent. I think I played perfectly. Followed the rules. Great. Got the job done. Thank you so much. Oh, thank God. So this... It's over. Yeah, it's over.

Get that towel on you. Towel off for a couple days. It's Josh's problem now. Wait, we're not recording, Jason. Yeah, it's over. Get that towel on you. Towel off for a couple days. Oh, Jason, wait. And it's Josh's problem now. Wait, we're not recording, Jason. Oh, no. Oh, jeez. You got to do the whole thing again. Oh, jeez.

By memory. All right, just let me hit the urgent care, and then I'll come back around. Oh, okay. All right. It takes you an hour or two to boot that thing up, right? Yeah, it takes a couple hours. Okay. All right, just kidding.

JK. Excuse me. Why are you walking so close behind me well you're a tall guy you throw a decent shadow when i'm walking in it to keep out of this bright sun it hurts my eyes okay well you know what spec savers you can get two pairs of glasses from 149 and oh you'll like this One can be a pair of prescription sunglasses. Sounds great. Where's the nearest store? Not far. Come on. Let's hurry then.

To my count. One, two, one, two, one, two, one, two. Visit specsavers.ca for details. All right. So I really tried my best to imagine what realistically would happen in this year of our Lord 2024. There's a couple things I think it's a gray area, and there's one big thing that I'll probably talk about at the end that I struggled with that I was like,

this doesn't feel right happening, but maybe it does happen. So check me. Everybody check me. You're allowed to have a little dessert. Sure. Not one drop of whipped cream for Jason, but you get to. So it might very well be. Please don't make me deal with the dairy distributors because they are cut through.

They're worse than the sod people. So, yes. So I really. So just to give you my philosophy before I start here and this, I guess, yeah, tomorrow wouldn't do this, but this is how I'm choosing to present this, is I was trying to keep most of the existing infrastructure. Yeah. Because that would save a lot of money. I would have loved to demolish everything and start fresh, but that's not probably what

I think they would do in 2024. Yeah. So we got to kind of keep the bones of Tomorrowland. So I've tried to find fun stuff that I don't think is gonna break the bank for my proposal here so I think Tomorrowland needs some sort of a new tagline

a new thing cause that's the way Disney does everything now they add more words so I would call it Tomorrowland Spaceport Infinity that would be and you could call it SP I guess for a short spy called spy or whatever uh and the uh the loose premise which we've talked about this before is it's sort of a port of entry it's a place where you know spaceships land and they take off and aliens congregate and all the different IP congregate as well.

So I was thinking, I want stuff that feels like nods to Disney history and sort of original stuff, but that's not going to happen in the modern company. So let's see if we can cram it somewhere else. So I thought, well, why not go with Buzz Lightyear and change the name and change a little bit of what's inside. Call it Buzz Lightyear Adventures Alien Encounter. Wow. With an exclamation mark. Oh, cool.

So we talked about this a while ago. The whole hype of Guardians of the Galaxy, oh, they're going to reference Epcot stuff, is loosely referenced. But I feel like in this uh buzz light year adventure is alien encounter you keep the ride system you keep it the shooter ride but you change sort of the narrative of the ride you change every room to maybe be a different reference to old tomorrowland stuff wow so you shrink down in one like a inner space and you do you know you can have your references to alien encounter itself with the excess tech and stuff zurd can still be involved he's still kind of the bad guy but maybe he's the one who kind of is torturing the alien from alien encounter then you kind of end

up having to save that alien by the end which then there's then there's that heart then you're rooting for that yes because like that character was sort of mistreated, the alien from Alien Encounter. But you can still have it be a little lightly scary. Everything's still going to be kind of cartoonish to keep kind of in the same theme, Buzz Lightyear, the way it is now. Whatever, Space Ranger Spin, is that what it's called in Disneyland? No, it's Astro Blaster. Astro Blaster, right. No, you're right.

Space Ranger Spin in Florida. I had to look this up yesterday, too, and I did remember we went through this on the episode. But, yeah, you can do, like, if you had wings room, you can do Captain EO Evil Queen room here, and you can do it in, like, a cartoon Buzz Lightyear style. Oh, her rendered as. Which would be fun.

So you can give, because this is what they've been doing lately, I feel like, and this is what Country Bear been doing lately i feel like and this is what country bear barbecue jamboree like the people in in imagineering do want to give us what we want but they have to sneak it in yeah so this is my attempt to sneak it in here with an over or not overlay a redo that wouldn't be so expensive and would keep the ride system there and would improve buzz light year which i think I think has room for improvement. Yes.

I'm curious what an if you had wings room means. I don't really know. I should have fleshed that out a little more. It could just be a little like one of the hallways that take you from one room to the other. Kind of like a burnt, maybe a burnt crumbling eastern airway sign. Sure. That could be a short little reference. That doesn't necessarily have to have its own room they're just watching buzz lightyear take a comfortable flight sure

that's fine too seven and seven please right so yeah he deserves a break you can shoot chairman clench at the end of the ride maybe a cartoon chairman clench ergan clench teaming up makes sense that's fun i like that yeah yeah yeah you do like some like you could kind of like america you could have a little like america sings references with like the the characters in like little space outfits or something flying around like the eagle can i burl lives eagle can i with lasers blow the head off that eagle uh only if you there's a secret target okay okay you gotta be good it's gonna take me a lot of goes to get it. Yeah, you have to be such a precise shot

to actually have the head fly off, which they don't want normal park goers to see. It's a little violent. But like there's a techno version of like Way Down Upon the Suwannee River. Like the songs of that attraction. You already have one of those on your iPhone iphone right yeah well i just i want my band camp app right my band camp creator so yeah you could just load that right now that's announced

at honda center and there's just one shriek from jason right yeah audience let's go go yes so that is yes that is not the most expensive thing in the world but it is a nice little refresh that's cool with the references that we like great and we will feel take because we want to we us Disneyland weirdos want to feel taken care of and this is the type of thing that makes us feel taken care of

you know I don't think I even need to say this because they're going to do it, but if it's a ride full of Easter eggs, you've got to get an A113 in there. Oh, okay. Yeah, so that we can, and that's code on some spaceship or something, but that way you can get,

every hundredth car is a car with nerds going, A113, that's the classroom at College where a lot of the animators, Tim Burton, so it's kind of a message to each other that they put in the movies. Yeah. So, yeah, that'll be in there. And there'll be maybe a target that will illuminate it or something, too, to really make sure nerds point it out.

So it gets bigger when, if you know the right target to make it bigger and appear, then you can even loudly or even more loudly say to the person next to you. It kind of gives you implicit permission to stop whispering that. and appear than you can even loudly or even more loudly say to the person next to you. It kind of gives you implicit permission to stop whispering that. I think that stuff's important to point out, especially if you're on a date or something at Disneyland, because pointing it out can help facilitate the end of a relationship that's not meant to be. Right, which is nice. It gives the girl an out. I'm saying girl.

It's probably like it's going to be a girl probably more likely. Yeah. Probably, yeah. Yeah, it's a good test. Probably. And A113 is a CalArts classroom or an Imagineering office? Well, now I have to just say the real. No, that's a CalArts thing.

Okay. Because a lot of the, now I don't remember. It's Brad Bird and it's Lassiter and it's Tim Burton. It's a room they all would have known. Like a studio. Yeah. So every 10th car. It is actually interesting.

I'm just- Yeah. I said it facetiously. Every 10th car is into it, but every ninth car is complaining about the prevalence of the CalArts style, which I have seen online before, and I don't understand what they're talking about. Oh, yeah. I don't know.

That's lost on me. I think it's something about animation, yeah. I don't know. That's lost on me. They get something about animation, specifically animation, television animation style. Hmm. Okay, well, we'll look into that. No, I don't know. No, let's not. Probably not.

I'd say let's not. Yeah, yeah. Let's not look into it. Yeah, I'm sorry all these guys made a bunch of good movies and shows. Oh, well, yeah. Star Tours, The Adventures Tours The Adventures Continue The Adventures Continue

That's what it is I can't think of any of the names of these rides The rides that no one calls it Basically the same But we're adding BB-8 to the queue BB-8's gonna be with R2-3PO That's gonna get a big cheer in the room Doesn't seem the most expensive thing

And then we're gonna just get a couple new scenes. Canto Bight from Last Jedi. We're going to do... Oh, Canto Bight's good for a... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that would work in a Star Tours. And more of like a Bespin-like scene, too. A Cloud City scene.

Yeah. Big Cloud City guy. And let's even flirt with the idea that it's more of a calm scene. It's a pleasant scene, because I always talk about... That it's a what? It's like a calming... like a more of a calm scene it's a pleasant scene because I always talk about that it's a what it's like a calm more of a calm scene it would have to be the

first one because you want to end on a big I thought you said like morph a calm I'm like I don't know that planet that's cool we'll make that we can make up our own planet and you go to

morph a calm morph a calm and then more characters more characters that can like like send their transmission max rebo or like give me send their transmission max rebo. Give us a max rebo. Give us, I guess, Figrin Dan and the modal nodes, three of them. Or how many?

There's six of them. There's a lot to fit in there. Yeah, but just really let's open it up as far as all the different characters. All the pod racers could contact you. And again, this isn't the most expensive thing in the world, and it's a nice thing that Star Tours already does this stuff. And I think if you just give us, throw us a couple more things,

we'll feel like, okay, yes, Star Tours is a little refreshed. I like the idea enough to give you permission to say one of the names of the pod racers I know you want to say. No, I don't want to. No. No, really. I don't need to.

I want you to. Can I say it? All right, let Jason do say it Jason can say it Team Topogales Alright thank you Everybody earned that I don't want to say Juan Sandage Or

Odi Randrell I don't want to say any of the names I don't like it anymore I shouldn't make you say I don't like to say the names Astral Orbiter gone Taking that thing I don't like it anymore. I shouldn't make you. I shouldn't make you say. I don't like to say the names. Astral Orbiter, gone. Yeah.

All right. Taking that thing. It's almost like that's like if they only did that. Yes, that would be a big step. That thing is gone. Right now, if you don't know, it's right at the front of Tomorrowland, and it is so inconvenient. You've got to walk around it. There's always bottlenecks happening uh i we've

talked about it before great idea in theory but with how crowded disneyland is it just it's not worth it being there it would only work if everything had like 20 percent more but if you were building a tomorrowland from the ground up and that was your entry point, great. Yes. But it's a pretty narrow, the main avenue, whatever you want to call it. Right. Tomorrow Avenue. Right. Just, yeah, it's tough. And we're ripping out People Mover Track.

Yeah. That goes down the walkway there. Okay. Because that also is in the way and just inconvenient. And obviously they haven't done anything with them in a while. But that's got to go for traffic reasons and you think about other tomorrow avenues in other parks and they don't have that yes overhang and it feels more open and free yes and then the uh now now that now that we've questioned what it's called i'm just thinking orbit on that thing's gone i'm

pulling that thing out too i'm pulling that whole stretch of stuff out to open that walkway up because that's just it's all inconvenient at this point and it's gotta go there's nothing in there and there's nothing in there this is this is somewhat expensive but okay it's it's gotta go i think and i do that feels like they would do that with a modern day decent budget um but it's just nothing it's not even replaced by there's no tower no uh no i don't want to put anything there i don't want to put anything there some more planters hmm with fresh keep in mind yeah if if you had 12 bags mike's getting at least 15 yeah that's hmm okay man well think about the planters i'm not sure i'm I'm iffy on the planners. Okay, fair enough.

Space Mountain basically stays the same, I think, with this. Space Mountain's still a great ride. Would I like them to do what Tokyo's doing, is rip it out and put in the coolest thing ever? Yes, doesn't seem likely. They're not even doing that in Florida, so there's no way they're going to do it here. Well, if you had to rocket launch or blow one up, you would choose Florida.

Yeah, of course. It's pretty rough, and it doesn't have the fun score and smoothness of Anaheim. It doesn't have any music, right? Huh? Does it have any music? It's just eerily. It's kind of quiet. I think it's a lot of click clacking.

And someone out there is listening and saying all that stuff you said is what's good about yeah of course i understand you know yeah yeah i really like the christmas party version where they blast you with like really loud christmas music and yellow and green lights right um that is fun i wish they would do that out here well let's put that in yours mine that's part of mine too yeah yeah Good, yeah, yeah. Nice, nice. But I think they can, I swear they've done this and I've seen no one confirm this online,

but when Space Mountain had a redo a couple months ago, year ago or something, it did feel like the effects with the stars were brighter and I don't know if that any, like, I don't know what the technology is behind making the stars brighter but not showing the track. And somebody, I'm sure I sound like an idiot, but not showing the track. And somebody, I'm sure I sound like an idiot,

but there's probably like little stuff like that they could do or like whatever tricks they've learned on guardians to like make that thing feel so bright, but still not feel like. It's a very high contrast experience, isn't it? Yeah. Whites are very white and the blacks are very black.

And that's trickier because the track is, I think a lot closer together on space mountain.'s it's like this big cylinder in my mind and really yeah like you probably you've probably got like room to to project and separate in that new guardians yeah so i know you can't do something so incredible but i don't know i kind of like the the uh star wars overlay they do so more of that stuff. So you could announce little things like that. There's some improvements coming to the Star Wars Space Mountain overlay or whatever. I'm mostly not a fan of the Star Wars overlay, but there's a move in it where you kind of,

like, there is a real surprise, like, jump scare of a blast. Like, some ship blows up. Yes, yeah. And you kind of duck under like you're heading right for it and then you duck under it like with barely any time yeah and i would say some equivalent move that's always there in a non-star wars version oh yeah that would be cool yeah like a meteor oh yeah shower or blast or like a meteor or just yeah some like i don't know super no yeah yeah yeah two two uh comets collide.

Oh, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, something like that would be cool. Because, yeah, the way they have it, it feels like. Or just an astronaut's head explodes. Wow, yeah. Which is what happens when an astronaut doesn't have his helmet on. His head gradually expands and then bursts like a balloon.

Like that Simpsons joke. It feels like a lot of the Star Wars effects on that overlay is just they've put a long neon strip of green and red to simulate the fire from the X-Wing or the TIE Fighters. And they just play the noise

and then do it. And it kind of works. Very effective. It does. Some of that shit's simple in the first movie. The opening score It kind of works. Very effective. It does. Some of that shit's simple in the first movie. So it's like that. It's very, yeah, just basic.

The opening score, going up the hill and stuff, that really. I like that. Yeah. I guess as we add it up. Hyper space. I don't know. There's value to it. Light space.

But I'm saying that's what we're going to do with this. There's going to be light little effects changes, but it's not going to be. We're not putting a lot of money into a new Space Mountain in this pitch it's not i don't think a required piece of no it's not i again i wish they were i said this before i would if they would replace with guardians i would actually be fine with it like in florida no space mountain oh okay like the guardians coaster i'm saying yeah yeah yeah i thought like i thought you're saying replace space mountain in florida with guardians which i would also be fine with second guardians sure yeah two parks that's great oh yeah that would be great yeah that's cheaper yeah you don't have to

build a new space mountain um but what i am excited about with in regards to space mountain is next to space mountain the uh star, the current Star Wars launch bay. What are we going to do with this thing? This thing has been sitting. This is maybe the most offensive part of Tomorrowland in a lot of ways. Yeah, I've been doing it for a long time. Yeah, I am.

And it's just sitting there. It's had the House of the Future, or whatever they called it. Was it called the House of the Future when it was just the weird, like, uh, Oh, the intervention was just a part of intervention.

Sorry. Yeah. And that like nobody liked that. And then it's now it's like a meet and greets for star Wars characters, which is just fun stuff in there. But like, it's just, it's so much space and whatever.

I think what you got to do with this is turn it into a big restaurant. Yeah. I think that now you can do it a couple of ways. You could keep the building as it is. I mean, it rotates, but you don't have to do that. Or you could just demolish it and build a new two-story restaurants. Yeah. And have the top part be a bar lounge with a nice terrace out there.

Yeah. And this thing is going to be packed. Yeah. Every night. Yeah. There's no one who wouldn't want to do it. Make it Blue Bayou level. Make, I mean, that's for Disney.

That's high level. Yeah. But it's, you know, be a bee depending on what you get. But you can have a cocktail up there you can have a nice meal you can have different rooms because there's a lot of real estate so you can do some of like the space restaurant and upcott stuff in here too yeah so you could have different like be our guest you could have different rooms that are you know simulating different parts of a spaceship one thing is you're actually in space one you're i don't know dining

in the capsule it's a smaller room or whatever sure or yeah oh yeah like a big round table and kind of a centrifuge sure yeah yeah so like i just think this this makes a lot of sense because there's i'm like blue bayou i guess is technically the best restaurant in disneyland other than club 33 yeah right yeah it feels like i i'm like i'm wondering why they haven't done more of this is what i'm saying they've never done disneyland has never done a uh um be our guest not that i have no idea the actual quality of that i I think it's gone down since it opened. It became a pre-fixed menu. It used to be like, oh, go with breakfast.

It's counter service. And it's like, you can see it all for really cheap. And they're like, pre-fixed lunch and dinner. Yeah. I think it might be still okay. But I think it was. I went pretty, no, I guess not soon, a couple years after. And I thought it was really good. And the next time I guess not soon, a couple years after, and I thought it was really good,

and the next time I went, it was fine. It was okay to find. Yeah, we definitely don't have like a, and there's not like a Skipper's Canteen or anything. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Disneyland is pretty weak with like sit-down restaurants. Right.

What I like about this is you're sneaking in original ideas, original stuff in here, but it's covered by like, oh, the food and beverage. Yes, this is going to generate money. Offerings will pay it off in a year. Right. This is something we would be excited about, but this is just a money generating thing.

Now. That will be cool and be like attraction adjacent. Yes. You know, it's okay that it's not a revolving theatrical show. Now, if they're getting very ambitious, you demolish the building and you build a new two story building and you put the Astro Orbiter on top of it.

Oh, geez. Which now they can, now it can support it. Yes. Because you would have to destroy it. I'm sure it can't hold it as it is. That's cool.

But then, yeah. So then you could be like, you could really even bring out like the terraces and you could have to destroy it. I'm sure it can't hold it as it is. That's cool. But then, yeah, so then you could be, like, you could really even bring out, like, the terraces, and you could have it so you can kind of see the Astro Orbiter above you. You could do it in a different cool way where there were a lot of just opportunities

for, like, interesting seating and interesting vantage points. Yeah. And, like, I guess you could load people. Like, they would have to take an elevator up to get it but it would be kind of like i guess you could do it like the people mover in florida where there's like a moving that's how rocket jets work in florida and it's yeah yeah yeah and you could so you could have a queue within that big new structure which could kind of come out a

little bit it could sort of go west because you've demolished the the the other the waste of space right or badon tower right and then there could be a little like vip entrance up to the astro orbiters after you like go to the to get like a drink at the bar you go up and you get a little rocket ride around tomorrowland yeah and then that's like that sounds like heaven to me yeah you mean are you saying you get a special entrance? Maybe there's a special entrance, yeah. A little perk, a little fast pass perk. A little fast pass perk, yes. Because you ate at the new, at one of the, at the grill.

And there's a special little entrance or elevator that you take. Yeah. That's like the elevator at the restaurant in Epcot. It's nothing like eating a full-size lamb chop and then going on the astro orbit yes been around for a while just a quick seven and seven and pork chop and then get right on the astro orbiter hey if you can't handle that you should not be in space you know that's a good point with a big pork chop in your stomach it's kind of a test get to get to adventure land

pal get to frontier land you can't cut it in space with the rest of us. I got some pitches for the name Space Mountain Station. It would have to be called Space Mountain Station Restaurant. Spaceship Eat is another one of my pitches. Oh, that's really good. So you get your Disney reference there. Somewhere in mine, this isn't better than that,

but I was toying with an idea in mine with the phrase Space Mountain Summit. Okay. Like that. Or Base Camp or something. Right. Something that uses the mountain aspect of it. But I think Spaceship Beat's probably the one.

Spaceship Beat is funny. I have some other ones down where I would Google it, and I'd be like, is there anything called it? Like, I was like, call the bar Bar Orbit, and I think there is some Instagram, but I don't know if it's just a name or there's actually a restaurant or something called that. What was the name of, you know,

how Disney did have a restaurant in the theme building at LAX, which is the big 60s mod? No, the Encounter. The fancy structure. Is that what it was is the big 60s mod. The Encounter? Is that what it was called? I think it was called The Encounter. That's one we gotta look into. There's a lot of interesting stuff.

Closed now, but a lot of interesting stories. I never went. Barely open. Really sporadically. We could name it different things. Some little things It was barely open. Yeah, it was really sporadically. Right. So, yeah. So there's, you know, we could name it different things. Some little things.

Magic Eye Theater, which just is usually like a preview of a movie. I feel like what you could do is turn it into a meet and greet, like walkthrough, like the way they do Chewbacca, where you kind of go through a tiny little section of a rebel base or something and then you meet Chewbacca and it's in a themed room and there's the photographers obviously already there yeah but we could do a full retro Mickey and Friends spaceship outfit kind of space station meet and greet yeah and then you could it would be a pretty good like people eater because you would do you would line up the same way you would line up first for Captain EO or honey, I shrunk the audience and then they would go in and they just kind of go in.

Cause you could, it's a, what is it? A couple hundred seats theater or something. You could probably change that into just a little bit of a, like a windy maze that looks kind of space mountain Q ish. Sure. And then you get to the end and and it's like a little like,

you could probably use the same screen. It's just like a screen that has, I guess you couldn't. It would have to be a video screen, not a projection screen like it is in there. So that doesn't make sense. But it would be like a big space window or whatever, and Mickey, Minnie, everybody would be wearing their retro outfits, which is another thing that's going to get a big pop if you go, oh, we're bringing back the Disney characters

in those old space outfits. Which I don't think I've ever heard officially acknowledged by the company, but I feel like everybody would know, at least if you're at that. Yeah, yeah. The little space outfits. The little space outfits.

We want the little space outfits back. They're in that photo spread of like, was it Vogue from 91 or something? Or it was a high fashion magazine photo spread of like, was it a Vogue from 91 or something? Or it was a high fashion magazine, like photo spread of people in different outfits around Disney World. And they were with the Space Mickey and Minnie in Epcot. Wow.

Yeah. Good enough for Vogue. Yeah. So they can show that at the presentation if they're doing my ideas. But yeah, that's, you basically keep the building the same. And now they've gained a committed meet and greet of characters, but in this different new way.

And then flexible, so you can do different characters in there, depending, to keep it fresh. If everybody has already had their pictures with the little spacesuit Disney characters. Perhaps a Disneyland place and presence for Figment. Well, that's an interesting idea. Very interesting.

I never thought of that. That sounded like I had one coming up. There's no reason to not have Figment also in some small way here. I kind of don't know if I agree with it. I've never thought about it before. You like making Figment a special only Epcot. Truly, I've never thought about that before. Jason, have you ever thought about that before?

I haven't thought about it before, but I think enough time has passed of him being an original Epcot. It's been like 50 years? Or 40 years? I can be sold on that. Yeah. But it is interesting because it's almost like it felt shocking to me wow you just said so strange that he would well as strange as mickey

mouse appearing at the end of a show of star wars characters at well that's just disney bad disney at a disney park curious to see if anyone's doing that. Oh, in our, a permanent hyperspace hoopla. Oh man. I unfortunately, uh, picked stuff that I think they would do, but I'd love to see that. Time to rewrite then.

What about Figment having like a brother or something? A West coast brother. A West coast brother. Eric. Eric. Eric. Figment. He doesn't have a,

he doesn't have a whimsical name Right right His parents got tired At number two They're like They ironically ran out Of imagination Your grandfather is Eric

Right Right Let's come with that Family name He's a great guy Yeah Okay Little stuff

Autopia stays the same We're doing the electric cars In whatever Four years It's a lot of real estate I'd love to demolish it. Doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Maybe within your you can't. That's what I felt.

That's how I felt. Especially now I'm trying to keep them. I know they're going to do electric cars. They say they are. But we'll see. Subs staying the same. And with Tomorrowland Terrace and stuff for the food there I just have make the food better. Just make the food better.

Just like have it 25% better. Just make the food better. Yeah. Just like have it 25% better. It doesn't even have to be different items. No. It's done better. And I love the stage that comes out from underground. That stays the same. I just want more live entertainment.

And it doesn't have to be like a rockabilly band playing in Tomorrowland at night, but it wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't mind it. Because I always like when you go over to Tomorrowland a rockabilly band playing in Tomorrowland at night, but it wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't mind it. Because I always like when you go over to Tomorrowland and there's a band playing at night. It lifts even if you don't stop and watch it. It just feels like something's happening here tonight. So, yeah, more of that.

It's like, though, we had fun talking about Pride Night with Henry. Yes. And I'm like leather stitch all the time why not hey let's just deploy all of us you know like i mean the biggest risk is that some right wing crank talks about it for nine days yes and then it never is thought about or controversial again right no it's gonna ride out exactly one cycle of libs of tiktok and then they can do whatever they then stitch could dance uh for years to come that is i would love to go back teach a media literacy class at ethica and go like okay first things first no comment second thing

wait it out those nine days are gonna fly by if you focus on other things you know this is you teaching kids that you're well you're teaching kids how to ride out a scandal that's a class you're gonna do it not an actual scandal no i don't want to i don't want to encourage like fake scandal logan falls logan paul's in this forest oh uh you know i don't want something like that so he's logan paul's on a talk show, and they're like, well, how did you get over that scandal last year? And he goes, well, my teacher Jason Sheridan, when I took his class at Ithaca,

he taught me how to ride out anything bad that I've ever done. Now, I don't know that I'm ready to be the scapegoat. That might be lesson number three. Pick a well-placed scapegoat that if you get caught in something, you can blame them. This seems like a different philosophy than what you said in the first two steps. No, no, no. Well, the first one is for manufactured bullshit right-wing outrage. Yeah, okay.

Okay. But you are getting into the territory, I assume, of the show Scandal. You are kind of, and I have no further details about the show Scandal. I have only seen like one or two of Scandal. I like Kerry Washington a lot. Jason, you're turning into a regular Olivia Pope. Oh, yeah. I did know the name Olivia Pope.

I did. I had to look up. You were all nervous when you were presenting, but now you're very confident when you're telling people just to ride out a scandal. The pressure's off. I did my project, and now I'm just chilling. I'm just saying you're very comfortable with this part of presenting and teaching. Because you're in the hot seat now.

I am in the hot seat, yeah. You're in the tank. Because the sod concern is off his back. The sod people don't have sniper's dots on his- I blocked all those numbers. We have delivery date and payment date, okay? It's accounts, payable, and receivables problem now. So there's one final question mark on my presentation

because I do think what I just presented, if presented in the sexy DeMauro way, would be pretty popular and people would be excited i think i think carousel is like an amended space uh yeah that's great i think that's huge so just that just that would work now on our patreon on our second gate episode i predicted that tomorrowland is going to close D23, that there's going to be an announcement about new Tomorrowland. And I also made an even riskier prediction about some kind of people mover coming back. Okay.

And this has been weighing on me now for days because I start, I'm really doubting myself now. If it fits in your budget range. Because, yes. And part of it is because I was just like to me it feels like they don't have anything big for disneyland and they always want to close on a hometown announcements now i was thinking about how you said that in that episode and then i was like has that ever actually happened i feel like it has just not a while but not in a while because lately it's just like you know it was like big beyond big like the last two years ago

was just there was nothing it was we're thinking about what would happen in florida well it's the if your if your hometown likes the word maybe and we could i know you like that in a time destination d23 maybe has a more localized conclusion you know also sometimes what i might be thinking of too is that they'll be like, and we're giving everybody a free something fast pass to go. If you're in the park today, you can go. If you have a reservation on your ticket,

you can use this. Also, my logic was, there just doesn't feel like a lot of stuff they're going to fully announce where it's going for Disneyland that's going to open in the next five to six years. To me, it's like it's, there's a couple things and then Tomorrowland

has to happen now before Disneyland forward or else it's not happening. So that's sort of part of my logic of like, I feel like it's going to close with the Tomorrowland.

That's a guess. I don't know. I don't have any insider information, but I said. You've programmed a great show. I just don't know if it's realistic.

And I understand. I understand. We'll see how accurate I am. But I said, I think this is going to be maybe like a new people mover. And I'm starting to doubt my prediction. I'll keep my bet. I'm not going to go back on my bet. Very good. A man of your word

and your money. But I'm looking at this Google map. I'm studying this Google map overhead view. I did a lot of this too. Trying to figure out where we could comfortably make a new tomorrow or tomorrow in that transit that's the florida version but just people mover track in general that wouldn't cost a bunch of money because you'd have to demolish existing buildings and boy does it seem tough yeah i don't know other than really changing some stuff around there where

you're going to get the space. You can kind of go around the back. Like you could kind of maybe go around the back of Space Mountain and go around sort of toward Launch Bay. I just don't know what's happening over there. I don't know the state of any of those tunnels. You would have to think that if they were going to shut down, if Autopia is going to be down for a while, can we just can we like fix those tracks over there? Well, as part of that, that's just part of the same project.

Right. So I'm looking at this and I'm just I'm stressing out. I'm not an engineer of any kind. I don't know what I'm doing other than I'm just eyeballing what looks like there's room to expand and expand in a way that won't interfere with the existing infrastructure there. And it seems pretty impossible to do it. So I start to really doubt my prediction about there being a people mover. But maybe Disney gives a little more money for this presentation or this redo of Tomorrowland. And they rebuild. I think they should not put the PeopleMover track in the middle anymore. I still think that's a bad idea there.

But maybe. I watched somebody kind of ideate on some of this stuff. I think Offhand Disney is the YouTube. Yes, he's really excited about. Yeah, yeah. I like some of the stuff i think offhand disney yes he's really excited about yeah yeah i like some of his ideas and i he had the proposal of uh doing it like disney world where there's no middle track and it goes all along the sides of the show buildings down tomorrow avenue yes i think that's basically what i came to the conclusion that would have to be it still feels like they're

gonna have to do some adjusting existing building to existing buildings that it would have to be. It still feels like they're going to have to do some adjusting existing buildings to existing buildings. It's not the easiest thing in the world. What I would do then, in keeping with modern Disney, is theme the people mover to Tron. Great. It's not going to go fast, but it's going to have neon

when you're in the tunnels. It's going to go around and you can call it... There's two names. Tron pull movers. It's going to go around and you can call it there's two names. Tron Pull Movers. Well, that's good too. Call it the Transportation Center. Cool, yeah. You could also call it

the Tron Transit Authority, but that's not as funny, I don't think. Yeah, Transportation Center. You could call it the Ticket and Transportation Center I guess if you really wanted to be the complete accurate reference to Disney World. But, yes, it would have to go sort of around the outskirts of Tomorrowland. It gets tricky, and this is where I really should have really done my homework and figured out how it can loop around the area by Autopia and the subs.

Because that's tricky because you've got Monorail Track there. You've got the cars, obviously track there you got the um you got the cars obviously we got the streets for autopia but there's got to be some way to kind of loop it around there and have it come back less it just doesn't do as much which would be unfortunate but right you know that's the way it gets done in your mid-budget version i think you'd also have to just close attractions and phases you close close Star Tours for three months, Spacebound for three months, Utopia for three months.

And you just, the track gets built, like people know, like, oh, it's coming. It's getting closer. They started here and now they're here. And I think the pitch then for where you load, if you're going to build a new restaurant from the ground up, I think it loads sort of in that general area it's like that's

because that sort of feels like it's got the most space and then especially if you're going to demolish that building anyway you can sort of you can add your excuse me now i'm getting indigestion from talking so much um you could add your like whatever moving walkway or your elevator and sort of have that whole restaurant just be like a big transportation hub, a big port, a big space port for all the different places you want to go in the galaxy. Yeah, yeah. You know what's maybe a, somewhere some of that stuff could happen

is like Starcade. Starcade's like becomes loading for something. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I'm trying to think of the geography of that. Star Traders goes or something. If it's not there i also would pitch just fill that up with arcades please like fill that up like the old days it was very fun when it was like uh uh i guess it was on flynn's arcade that was in california adventure but wreck it

ralph around that time before that it was just generic arcade. Right. Then it was Wreck-It Ralph kind of themed, and then it just shut down. I was remembering they had the short-lived Magic Keyholder Lounge, which was mostly tiny digital advertisements for West Side Story and one photo opportunity step and repeat and then after i checked that out we went to tomorrowland terrace and i got food that was so bad and it was my birthday it was my birthday that lounge was terrible the food was off it was something like waffle fries with pulled pork on it two of my favorite foods and was so bad and every weight was like over an hour like 90 minutes and like tears were kind of welling up in my eyes because i'm like this day sucks so much and on my birthday that food sounds terrible how many times have you been back since ah i even i have my limits wow that was how crowded

it was I don't I usually avoid Tomorrowland Terrace but I was like you had nothing that's got a reasonable line yeah I think it's cool I think you kind of got a way to attack Tomorrowland or I'm sorry a people

mover and the Tron thing maybe gives it the extra money it needs. That's my thought. New movie coming, Synergy. They seem to keep wanting to try. Yeah, great. New bad movie coming. New disappointing, turgid, boring movie coming. Sure. But again, I don't

care. I do not care about the quality of these films. I just want some, if it finances some lights in these theme parks some blue glowing lights you'll put up with i'm guessing a reunion of jared leto and skrillex back together again not since suicide squad the first one no there i'm just guessing it's like the the downgrade from the original Daft Punk album, the soundtrack for the second one that everyone liked so much. And it's like Skrillex is back.

Ten years after his prime. Because Daft Punk broke up. Is that right? I didn't know that. Helmets finally cracked? Yeah, they only had one set of helmets. Fuck. Yeah, it's over.

That was all it took so well they well once the like once there was a crack in the helmets then they're that allowed oxygen in and they're they're aliens so their heads expanded and blew up like earlier they're robots okay um well uh robots who also can't be exposed It could be like humanoid robots But they're wearing helmets it's gotta be for some reason Vacuum is being sucked out of the circuits and wires The only reason I I really like watching interviews Like Nile Rodgers talking about when he worked on that

Last Daft Punk album and he calls them the robots And stuff very casually Paul Williams in the speech I'm here with a bunch of robots I liked the Like cartoon anime footage from the one album, like the music videos, where they were animated as blue aliens. And that aired on Adult Swim once at like one or two in the morning. And it was like summer in high school.

And I was like, I don't know what the hell is going on but i like that i had no idea i didn't know about the mythology i didn't know about the albums and you were in the window of time where you were noting new music it was still in that zone oh yeah soon to conclude i was trying to note i was trying to note but adult swim and the local tv guide it wasn't explaining it at all before you wrapped it up and stuck to uh stuck to the soundtrack of maim maim or mike was driving us home the other night from jane's birthday he was making fun of me because uh december his song came on his shuffle i had shuffle on yeah jason likes his snurch.

I was like, these guys are so smart. You hear these lyrics? But it was on your shuffle. They sing sea shanties. I like them. They sing sea shanties. Me being able to make fun of Jason doesn't mean I'm not being a hypocrite. You're not all says you're a shanty.

You were right. I've listened to the Queen wife a lot. Of course. I like them. Well, I dig it. I don't think either of these have needed a lot of course correction in terms of understanding the assignment. I think you're honest. And that whole, well, look, here's the thing.

I think you will find some crossover with mine. Sure. And this was some of the, if we all go off and think separately, maybe it really illuminates some areas that are, I don't know, like key areas, I guess, that they could and should do. Right. So I guess with that, we can get into mine. I'm trying to think any caveats i mean even you know i feel like maybe this assignment gives you the most at least i took it to be you know there's the most room for putting your own narrative voice and opinions and taste into right uh so i think you'll find that there are some things that are very much the things i want but i don't think entirely i think

it's a crowd pleaser too uh um and i you know uh feel free to interrupt because i i think i i am gonna try to go a little bit tomorrow oh please yeah uh uh let's not that i'm even in the same league, but let's see what I can, if I can get steaming and make everybody else get steamy. Okay. I'll try to, okay, okay. Remember when we dreamed of a better tomorrow? A tomorrow without limits. A tomorrow that acknowledges and celebrates yesterday, but isn't stuck in it. A tomorrow that doesn't merely imagine the near future, but rather millennia beyond.

Welcome to Tomorrowland 3055. Oh, wow. That clears it. That's fine. Tomorrowland 3055, a visionary hub of innovation, transportation, and imagination. Tomorrowland 35, in an unprecedented decision, certainly not said half an hour ago, will deliver on the promise of an intergalactic port where mind-blowing vehicles and astounding technology let you rocket to the stars and beyond, and unforgettable visits to our planet by astounding beings from across the cosmos.

The experience begins before you even set foot on an attraction, where during the day, a refurbished, repainted white chrome and crystal color scheme has finally unified the land aesthetically. And at night, eye-popping LED screens turn the land aquamarine purple, blue, and magenta in a light show that rivals New Spaceship Earth, Sphere, or the streets of Tokyo. I mean, isn't that the way? Wow. Just brighten it up. Of course. They can at least get to LA Live.

Can we not get to LA Live? Of course. Can we not get to LA Live? Can we not get to LA Live? Mike, just imagine this is the Aaron Sorkin, Danny Boyle movie, Steve Jobs, and you and I are standing on the side of the stage, and he's Steve Jobs, and we're just there going like, he's doing it. He's really doing it.

Wow. That's what I felt. I was wrong. I'm glad you put it into a movie reference. The structure of this has been split into three, much like that film. Nice. That's, by the way, that way, what you said is expensive. Yeah, sure.

I guess that's the reason it hasn't been done. But let's fuck it. Yeah, let's go. If some fucking crappy mall can do it. I agree. They can do it. Okay. Guests will immediately note the wide open space thanks to the absence of the Astro Orbiter in the entryway.

Of course. absence of the Astro Orbiter in the entryway. Did it go back atop the central tower replacing the Observatron? I'm sorry, the Orbadon. Orbadon. Not quite. The highest point in Tomorrowland now belongs to a brand new attraction concept, Abduction Point. Wow. Inspired by a never-built Tokyo attraction, this high-in- in the sky drop tower beams guests up toward

a hovering alien craft only to plummet back towards Earth offering stunning views of the entire park along the way and a dazzling light show from the UFO's beams. We touched on this. This was not fleshed out to that extent.

I mentioned it really quick at the end of like the Tomorrowland 2055. I thought that's such a fucking cool, like a Tower of Terror. And this would be kind of like a mini version, like more of like a, not carnival-ish, but like closer to whatever that California Adventure one was called. But, you know, but like elevate, you know. Yeah, yeah. We don't need a circular.

We don't need another Dumbo. Let's do something new. Well, in a way, yeah, you're also looking at something that actually then becomes a decoration in the way that other things in Tomorrowland would be. So it is a ride, but primarily it's for kinetic energy. It's primarily for the lights and to really add to the atmosphere a thousand percent absolutely if these and i think you'll find that throughout if the rides as light shows and uh depictions of of transportation technology it's a weenie it's like i mean you know what i think this is i think there's a bit like more there's like more centerpiece attractions but this is the weenie this is the weenie in the way that mgm studios then hollywood studios kept changing like oh the earful terror is the weenie. The big sorcerer's hat. No, it's actually terror, terror.

Yeah, yeah. And much like Disney Studios, I am keeping Star Wars Launch Bay. I'm the only one who's... No, I'm not doing Star Wars. Oh, okay. Absolutely not. That would have been a bold choice. That would have been good, yeah.

I would have respected it. We're blowing up Galaxy's Edge and keeping only the Launch Bay. Boiling it down a bold choice. I'll find a way to make it work. We're blowing up Galaxy's Edge and keeping only the launch bay, boiling it down to its essentials. Okay, perhaps while caught in that UFO beam, you looked over and noticed the nearby lagoon. The water seems cleaner and also more active. That's because the submarines have made way for a Tokyo DisneySea audience favorite, Aquatopia.

No more slow-loading claustrophobic tubes. Now guests will travel open air in personal trackless hovercraft, whizzing and splashing above the water. Jason, you're aware of this. Mike, you've seen this attraction. I did, yeah. this attraction. Doesn't that seem like let's keep it you know, let's keep water but it's that, like, that's a futuristic water attraction that's more fun than any of the stuff around here.

Let's do it. Yes. Is the is it the rides, is there a thin amount of water? Like a shallow amount of water at Aquatopia? Yes. There's a TikTok of a cast member walking out onto the water, but the ground is very close. So you're going to have to develop new technology, perhaps, to have full Wi-Fi boats.

Well, I think it's like you redo the lagoon. Oh, okay. Fill up the lagoon. Yeah, yeah. You just keep the lagoon atmosphere and vibe. Because I'm not, as I think you'll find throughout, i'm not necessarily blowing it all up and starting over right because i do love tomorrowland there's a lot that i love about the bones of tomorrowland so that's but you know another version and i might be curious to hear when all said and done what would be good ideas if we were blowing it all up

but i'm not the person to do that because i love tomorrowland i think there was a lot that was great about tomorrowland the first time i ever went to the place in 1988, and I think it's a matter of restoring and building back. Because if I had your assignment, I think I would have said, first things first, we're leveling all of it to the ground. Well, this is what, let's play that out after I'm done. Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's probably the one thing, yeah, that is different between how you and I would

have done it. Okay, so, Aquatopia will delight guests with its showcase of clean energy so thoroughly that they aren't upset that we have eliminated Autopia. Don't care if it's electric, it's going away. Plan canceled. A lot of real estate. It is a lot of real estate, and I have been very gracious. Despite this being a Tomorrowland project, I have donated the top half of the Autopia property to Fantasyland in order to build. This was a tough choice, but I ended up landing on Beauty and the Beast Tokyo ride. That's what we're getting. So you've added to Fantasyland.

I have taken, yes. I mean, if you consider all of Autopia to be tomorrow land. Yeah. I think, I think this is worth an annex. I think it makes, I don't, there's not a room.

There's not room for like full new fantasy land up there. So I was like, let me pick the best of the best and something that I don't think needs like the full real estate of Disneyland forward. Right. Because I like the Frozen stuff aesthetically. There's another fairy tale. I mean, there's Tangled, all that Fantasy Springs stuff. But I'd rather just take all that new land,

do all of Fantasy Springs over there, and let's just take the best of the best that could work in Fantasyland. I think that's Beauty and the Beast. The Beast's castle will blend perfectly into aquatopia with a new backdrop of forests and waterfalls i think that'll all blend and look nice next to matterhorn uh elsewhere cherished classics remain but with fan favorite enhancements star tours is still bustling but one cabin has been permanently converted to a restored enhanced enhanced version of the original Star Tours journey, complete with our old pal Captain Rex. Yeah, good. Very good.

Just one, and then the rest are still interactive, and you don't know if you're going to end up in that, even though certain guests, you might be looking at one, will demand to always go on the Rex one. They'll have to figure out how they'll handle the amount of requests to go on the old one. Well, I think the biggest thing in their corner will be that everybody who, like, excuse me, could I do, all of the Rex demanders will be such pushovers that they'll wait wherever they have to wait as long as they need to wait.

And you'll be able to spot them. You'll be able to spot them in line. Well, it will become a contest between cast members of like, all right, whichever one of them is crying the hardest gets to go. You know what actually would be good is every car had a different person piloting it. Like C-3PO's in one. Yes.

And then there's a different Forlom, the bounty hunter, is in one or something. Forlom, the bounty hunter is in one or something. Four-lom, the bounty hunter. Four-lom, yeah. I mean, seems like a fun place for Grogu. Let's figure out

how to make him pilot. Right, great. If he's got to sit on a couple of crates. Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah, if he's a little clumsy piloting

but he keeps moving stuff out of the way with force so it works you know if you sort of go wreck like it's it's uh original trilogy one the one cabin is original one is prequel one is new yeah one is or tv whatever you know every like post 2015 essentially and then one is old school disneyland with right that's a good and now we're covering everything babu frick in one of them cool yes oh man yeah yeah hell yeah or just give him a seat just like you know he just gets to sit and enjoy it like us and you just got to

really make sure people don't squish him can i say real quick about this d23 star speeder toy that's coming out that's exclusive there's only only 3,000 of them that actually plays the original Star Tours movie and the little LED screen inside of it. It's a toy that plays the ride. Do we know how much? Do we know with what technology? How much it costs? How much of the...

I think it's all of the ride. I believe it's like a toy re-release of a restored ride. It's an LCD. It's got a toy re-release of a restored ride. Yes. It's an LCD. It's got little seat belts. You can click the seat belts. I don't know if it's each one or it just might be a row.

You can just click the seat belt in the row. I don't know if there's a tiny, dirty, little yellow strap. I don't know about that either. That would be the dream. I know it's an original. It's not a redo of one of the old Star Speeder toys. Wow. And I think this is, of all the toy chats I have,

this is the one that almost is universally being purchased by all these toy people I know. Okay. They say it will be on sale in person, but also online Monday. But who knows how many will be left. That's going to go so fast. $300.

That's $300? That's actually not so. It's not. I know, I know. It's not so. I know, I know. It's not. This is one of those purchases where I go, I'll buy it and keep it in the box. And if I need to pay for a medical bill, I guess I'll just sell it. If the dog gets sick.

Yes, I need to have it. That'll do. That'll go a third of the way. Yeah, that's basically my philosophy going in. That's smart. that's smart. Okay, Space Mountain. I am not blowing it up. I like the current Space Mountain plenty.

I think even in a blue sky version, there's a lot that I'm too addicted to. But I have made a crucial change. If a visitor named Mike Carlson asks a cast member nicely, they will turn on the goddamn Red Hot Chili Peppers. Thank you. Wow, that's really nice. It's back. Only if you ask for it, much like the robots at Chuck E. Cheese in Northridge,

and mostly it will not be asked for. Any song? Can I choose a song, too, or does it have to be one of the old ones don't don't push your luck it's whatever it was before it's uh people yeah it was the higher ground cover yeah yeah yeah yeah all right so that okay um so here already we now have a thriving land of ufos hovercraft rockets star speeders and of course monorails hey let's redo that i didn't think about it let's redo that. I didn't think about it. Let's redo that station. That signage is dumb. It's like a little bit steampunky.

Don't make it. It's all, everything's, look, it's white. It's white. It's silver. It's chrome. We're going simple here. With a lot of LED, of course. But we have missed one big vehicle, probably the centerpiece of the whole thing, light cycles. An entire mini land within Tomorrowland

3055 will be the Tron game grid. The centerpiece of this, of course, will be Tron light cycle run 2.0. That's right. It is elevated. It is lifted up. It is no mere carbon copy of Magic Kingdom and Shanghai's Tron Light Cycle Run. This is a brand new experience tailor-made for the Tomorrowland Disneyland space. So the former Carousel Theater will be raised to the ground, much like Mike's version, in order to build a new towering queue building and launch site combining the neon aesthetics of Tron and the never built crystal cubism of Lucasport. A little bit of flavor of that cool Lucasport

concept. Talked about it on the second gate. If you haven't heard it, look it up. Slash Ventureport. It had a couple names. Big, cool crystal building. Almost like Journey into Imagination building but better. I had that thought for the restaurant in my pitch almost like journey into imagination building, but better. Yeah. I, you know what? I, I completely, I had that thought for the restaurant in my pitch with,

with that aesthetic, but I completely forgot to write it down. We were, I think we're thinking I, this is where the parallel thinking I think is great. I, I hadn't even, I felt like you maybe keep that because I like aesthetically the carousel

building. I think there's a way to, but also just the land it sits on and like yeah as they found with parking structures when you don't have a lot of space what do you do you build up right and i think tomorrowland is a great place to build up absolutely i think there's been a lot of advances too in compact roller like getting a lot of thrill out of a compact coaster sure sure well that is my question unless you're about to go there. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'll explain. I'll take it there. But poke holes in this, because this one might have the biggest logic holes. So, on the top floor of the Tron Game Grid building, a permanent end-of-line club straight out of the Electronica event. Oh, wow. Where you can dance to electronic beats drink glojitos as well as actual drinks for grown-ups wow and take in the highest in park view of fireworks available the end of line club will be amazing and open and available to all guests not some dvc DVC bullshit. That's for everybody. Wow. Great. For the people.

Oh, and also part of this, in this new land, the little UFO booth that's kind of, as you get it, like next to the unused people mover tower, there's a UFO and like an umbrella where you learn about DVC pricing, and this will be personally put into a shredding machine by me. I will insist on myself getting rid of this stupid fucking techie booth. You know, that is the first mention of umbrellas or awnings or shit that I'm hoping any one of these Tomorrowlands might address down the line. It's like, oh, this is a little too brutalist heat-wise. You know, it's a lot of cement and metal.

I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you lose that with the People Mover track. Yeah. But I don't know, maybe some of the other, maybe the other track I'm talking about. Okay, before I get to the light cycles, another part of the game grid

is Alien Pizza Planet becomes Flynn's Barcade, an amended concept like Jason referred to earlier. This is an indoor-outdoor space where the whole family can eat, drink, well, not the whole family can drink, you know what I'm saying, and play both modern

and old school video games. Often, hopefully, customized games from within the Disney universe. Tron, Fix-It Felix, a Toy Story Alien Claw game, acknowledging the Toy Story history of that space. You could do the Zerg game from the cold open of Toy Story 2. Maybe you always lose. You always get blasted and then your little legs drop to the ground and zerg laughs there's no way to win the game uh but putting all the disney video games in in one place and this is the thing i'm not trying to just please myself with some of these things i'm trying to

like think country bear style right and uh you know how do we fold disney IP into itself. So, oh, and also they do still serve pizza, but it is no longer trash. Oh, okay. So it's good. They do good pizza. That's an upgrade, yeah. Yes, by reaching out to Acclaimed Chef Anyone, we can finally get some good pizza.

By Acclaimed Chef, your stepmom got a pizza stone for Christmas and wants to try it out with some Trader Joe's dough. And there's a bottle of Francesca Rinaldi in the pantry. Absolutely. Done. Your stepmom, she's in. So now let's talk light cycles. Inspired by the original route of the people mover, Tron light cycles will take a winding path that traverses all of Tomorrowland.

Once aboard, your light cycle will launch past Space Mountain, out of Disneyland, out of the park, into a glowing canopy, much like what is in Shanghai and Magic Kingdom. But this is built in the former bus and transportation zone off harbor. That sequence, that big launch and loop and the glowing light show all happens in the, not the hub, the esplanade. It takes over part of the esplanade, which I think, frankly, makes more sense for this zone and is cooler than a Pandora expansion. I want Pandora over in Disneyland Forward. I don't want Pandora to be cramped at all.

I don't really get that coming out of that part of the park. Now, this portion of the ride doubles as a stunning free light show for guests arriving from Harbor Boulevard and even non-paying guests on their way to downtown Disney. You are using some of your blue sky to make public art. That's right. Civic engagement.

Giving back. Yes. What does that do to a zone that is kind of like, look, we haven't done the Harbor Ho Down yet. We may never do the Harbor Ho Down is one possibility. That's one blue sky. But, you know, aesthetics are not always the best around that place. And especially now, like, in a way, I'm sad to see the bus zone.

I do think that bus zone is going to go. And I've had nice memories there because that's how I've been doing it. I've been doing a hotel that's a little ways away, and I take a shuttle, but the shuttle drops you right there. And I kind of don't like that the bus is going across. It's going to add to hassle a little bit, but I do want it for park. And the idea of a light show that the public gets that also lures you in, that's a weenie that's outside Disneyland. It's like, well, what's the rest of this thing do? That's interesting.

Yeah, I wonder what the vibe of that area, like, is it going to be like when you're in different parts of Tokyo or Vegas or something where it's like a neon sign essentially for Disneyland, I guess? I think so. Well, you know what it is, is it's a big advertisement that Tomorrowland is back in business. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely like, well, here's the thing. I think there'd be enough separation between that and then like where you have to get train station mickey mouse to get you know there's like space between those well so it's not like you know if it's kind of a different vibe than the rest of esplanade i think it's okay i think it's cool well the way it's described the way that this parking situation will as described is that there's going to be a big parking garage and this is the thing the eastern gateway project that was called yeah uh it was gonna be on the other side of harbor and they were going to be a big parking garage and this is the thing the eastern gateway project that was called yeah uh it was gonna be on the other side of harbor and they were going to build a big parking garage there and then you were gonna have all your security over there

right and then you were going to walk across a bridge just right into the esplanade no security so you can make that walkway a lot more narrow all of a sudden so you know it doesn't need like a row after row of metal detectors right right needs nothing so it obviously needs to be big enough for people to walk to and fro but uh you can have a lot of room on both sides to do stuff i think maybe with this plan you still get a little room for california adventure to expand too so you could get a little yeah maybe something 75 25 even yeah yeah yes i like that and maybe some you know like i'm i think we talked about if zootopia is a rumor over there that's

cool you get a little extra zootopia yeah what if they did something we neglected in the betting episode there's people who think and want that maybe we get a monsters inc door coaster um that's been for i think it's been 20 years i've heard monsters i've heard about i don't see any reason other than it beats fun to think about that it would be now but like imagine if you sort of what if you did a better bigger monstropolis over there in dca that's fine i just want i i don't want avatar i don't want pandora to be stifled we need room to why would that go there? That doesn't make any sense.

We might find out tomorrow that it is there. I will be shocked if that happens. It doesn't feel right. That feels very online rumor. Jason liked it, but I thought it was wild. No, I don't like it. It's the fact that he kept calling it an experience and not an attraction. Well, there is an attraction. But we're getting, no. I hope so. We've got yeah okay boat ride and i want a lot of room for that thing that needs to be

where it has room to breathe well it's got to be the sea now the you know yes they need room to splash and swim free and experience all the wonders of life with the great, mighty Tolkoon. Oh, we need some Tolkoon animatronics. Oh, if we get a physical. Possible. A big Tolkoon. A real Pyakon. I'll be happy to visit any Pyakon,

but the ability to hug Pyakon would certainly. Oh. Well, this isn't Blue Skying Avatar, sadly. I know, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could change plans. No more Beauty and the Beast. It goes over there.

That's technically in my confines. You could go like a nod to Disneyland, like the Storybook boats, Storybook canal boats. You could go into a Tolkien's mouth, Pyakon's mouth. Or you could take inspiration from Islands of Adventure when you used to be able to meet the Triceratops and you could pet.

Like, Pyacon is coming for his daily hello. He's coming for his little pets. He's coming for his little pets. That relaxes me so much, thinking about being able to do a Pyacon encounter. Tell him my darkest secrets. I can trust you with this. Isn't that right, boy?

I'm like, you're the little girl in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and you whisper, you're the best Piacon I've ever seen. Piacon starts sobbing like DiCaprio. Okay, so where was I? Okay, so yeah, that's that big initial. That's the big exciting start. It gets you, we get extra space. It takes you out of the park, but from there,

the ride turns back into Tomorrowland and speeds all through Disneyland's eastern half over the two main show buildings in Tomorrowland on Tomorrow Avenue, a dramatic curve across the hub that serves as the entry arch for Tomorrowland 3055. Show scene tunnels that revitalize long unused spaces like the second floor of the Starrcade. You'll crisscross around the monorail tracks and even take in a dizzying loop all the way around the Matterhorn. Wow.

Very cool. Imagine that big loop. You feel like inches away from it. How about that? So you'll see that from Main Street, obviously. Oh, I guess you could. Yeah, sure. Yeah, why not? You could see the Astro Orbiter from Main Street and it stinks. True. Let's get something

cool. It doesn't make any sense to see. That's the spirit to me. It doesn't make any sense to see a mountain from Main Street, but why not? Hey, it doesn't make any sense to see a castle from Main Street, but why not? Hey, it doesn't make any sense to see a castle from Main Street, but we're making it all happen. Is there any way you could theme the outside of it to look more Matterhorn? Like it belongs. When you're seeing the Matterhorn from a certain angle.

Like a slalom tunnel of some kind. It looks like a slalom. Yes, a tunnel of some kind. You're worried about a clash. I am worried about a clash. Over there. That's a fair note. Well, then I about a clash. I am worried about a clash. Over there. That's a fair note. Well, then I'm glad I didn't take it all the way.

I was thinking, here's... You want to get really blue sky? Yeah. Matterhorn rebuilt from the ground up. I was thinking about it. I don't know if that counts. It's kind of fantasy land. But yeah, you've mentioned it.

It's one of those structural things. What if we do it now? What if it's the sturdiest building ever built it's got room for a properly working yeti oh we get the yeti in there and or you know abominableified whatever but i was thinking leftron light cycles go through the matter or yeah it'd be awesome yeah okay well if you're in favor of it well with this version where it's been rebuilt then you can really kind of hide it in the way I'm thinking. So it won't be so, like, why is there a space motorcycle going in front of the Matterhorn when I'm looking at it from Main Street?

I agree with you, except that's another, as I was starting to say, I think that's, you know, why is there a train going through a dinosaur world? Yes. I mean, Skyway is kind of like Swiss Chalet. I think actually the spirit of light cycles go through the Matterhorn is what's missing. I think that is like original Disneyland thinking in a way. Yeah, Skyway went through it.

Yeah. Yeah. And if you're really that concerned, you put like a video wall, you make it look like a video wall for a Grand Budapest Hotel style funicular going up the Matterhorn. But it's really the light cycles going inside the tunnel. Okay. Yeah, I don't know the pitch on how to mask it at all. But the more I think about it, the more I'm like, I just want to proudly have things

that don't quite match because I think there's great moments in Disneyland attraction combining that don't quite line up and I think it's great. It's like a child's imagination when the X-Men meet the G.I. Joe and they meet the turtles.

That's right. When a cowboy plays with a spaceman and a Mr. Potato Head and a dinosaur. Well, there we are. And it's the most magical combining of all these universes altogether. I'm trying to think what light you would expect, like a red flare light.

So it's almost like when the bike goes around and hits into the Matterhorn, it almost turns red. So it's almost like you see a flare coming off the mountain in the distance. sure like somebody is seeking rescue yeah maybe yeah like something like that like in the because I guess when you first described it I was like almost like okay just kind of goes like in front of it but yeah if you could do something that like from the distance looks like it's kind of themed to the to the Matterhorn more sure and it gives

it some energy. Yeah. And then obviously when you're riding it and you're seeing it, it's just you're going through a – you're on a space motorcycle. You're on an internet motorcycle. I mean, I hear you. There's something weird about it, but maybe it's a good kind of weird. I just think – for whatever reason, I'm hung up on far away seeing it and it not looking right.

Blue sky, no bad ideas. I'm not saying it's a bad idea. There's also, I guess, a version where, but also does not, maybe not from the hub, but do we not get already monorail right next, like monorail doesn't make sense next to Matterhorn, technically. That's true, yeah.

Yeah. That's true. I don't know. I think it's i think it's worth an adjust you're not wrong but my but my argument just to try to fight for it might be fuck it let's do it and be legends i i think the electric blow is very copacetic with the white of the snow is off and snow and ice often portrayed as blue and white the new building of matterhorn going in and out of it,

though, I'm on board for. I was just sort of thinking of other ways to make it look... To bring that back, that a ride goes through. For whatever reason, I was hung up on the old Matterhorn just sort of having a Tron thing in front of it, whatever reason. Yeah. Okay, so somehow through does... Through I like better. I'm almost surprised that that... Okay, well, then

we're doing that. All right, new Matterhorn, Yeti's in there, and light cycles go through it. Sure. Great. Hell yeah. They'll blend it. They'll do something good. That's for them to do, the engineers.

Anyway, this is an e-ticket and visual spectacle that pumps life through all of Tomorrowland and beyond. But by making the light cycles kind of the, now that's the track that weaves through all of Tomorrowland. Are we now ignoring the need for a mellow, slow-moving, family-friendly experience? I say hardly because Buzz Lightyear's Astro Blasters will say goodbye. What was the phrase? Glowing away. I'm going to have to use that. Glowing away.

Buzz Lightyear's Astro Blasters is glowing away forever to make way for a brand new journey through the world of WALL-E. WALL-E is coming to my Tomorrowland in WALL-E's cosmic directive. Feel free to workshop this. I couldn't quite land on one, but the word directive is part of the movie. Guests will follow Wally and Eve's journey from Earth to space and back aboard the Axiom and the returning pet and even go

past the events of the film to see how Wally and his robot pals revive Earth with plant life. Imagine a pleasant, slow-moving dark ride that takes you to space where an adorable, creaky-voiced pal uses his healing touch to turn a planet green.

Oh, interesting. The merchandising makes itself like Wally or Eva holding a little plant. And if you... Jason, I know that you like to bring or want to bring little plants home

from theme parks. If you could do it in a boot, in a Wally boot, that's a good little merchandise opportunity. That's a really good one. I think this lived entirely in Club 3. The notion presented by Griffin, not me, that people liked. They liked it the notion that living with the land gets a nice subtle wally overlay that uses this because he wally is the bridge between technology and future and plants he ties it all together it could be subtle it could be nice it could be additive and then you go home with your boot with a little

simple plant in it cool cool i didn't even think about that aspect of it that is great that is and that is not just like with apologies to the star speeder which sounds great and everything like it that's not just a plastic piece of plastic that's now you go home and you're making nature happen where you live this This is beautiful. Beautiful, yeah. Okay, okay. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Does Wally have any new character you've created that's like a teacher of his or anything?

Oh, shoot. Eric. Wally needs your help. Not Eric. Eric's on mine. I would like- Or Eric's Figment's brother. He's not Wally's teacher

A different character Okay I would like a very stiff Andrew Stanton To do a pre-show video We don't have much time We have to be quick Wally needs your help Only you can help Wally

He would love that He's a Parks guy Isn't he? Yeah Did he write the Mark Davis Like giant, giant coffee table book, I think? Oh, really? Okay. There's something like that.

One of the Pixar guys worked on it. I think he's got it in him to be as charismatic as Steven Spielberg. I believe so. Yeah. Which is to say, limited. But that's what I love is the limited. Yeah. Okay.

So, the ride's exit could perfectly transition into a stacked hydroponic garden. I'm going a little living with the land here. It forms a lush environment for a reimagined galactic grill, I think, or Tomorrowland Terrace, whatever you're calling it. Still quick service, but now serving entirely sustainably grown food. We're eating healthy there now. It's fast, but it it's healthy and they have to commit to it they can't say they're doing that and then make the food get worse as it goes but it's like good fresh farm grown ingredients let's turn that into a good restaurant that is the

aftermath and in the you know what it's not consumerist that's the message of wally right it can't be a gift shop other than getting the plant in the boot. It has to take you into, I mean, it's consumerist because you're in Disneyland and you're buying food at a restaurant. But it's not a gift shop. It's a place where you go eat from the earth, you see, which WALL-E has made possible for you. You should make available the boot a la carte boot with seeds just in case people don't want to lug soil home. But the boot a la carte

especially for international travelers might have restrictions on bringing like plant life into their country. This is a very very good thing that you thought of. A good logistical issue and I really like the phrase boot a la carte. A lot of good stuff happening over here.

Well, it's what I end up catching down at the pond when I'm not catching the ales. I wish they'd throw in French fries and coleslaw, but it just don't happen. Now, I've missed one aspect of this attraction, the ride vehicle. The ride vehicle is an updated and restored people mover. Wow.

The people mover is the ride vehicle in the Wally ride, allowing a high-capacity relaxing experience for the whole family. This is a ride with heart that dreams of a better future for our planet. But it's not the only heart in Tomorrowland 3055, and for that we turn to the long ignored but not destroyed

Magic Eye Theater. The fact is I can't do, I can't blow it up. I can't make a new Space Mountain because I love that area of the, like that Space Mountain atrium with the big metal bars that feels like an 80s airport. I love it too much. It's too much

core memory for me. I want to make it work. That's why we got some of Barcade in there. Right. And then what we have is a world-class venue that will no longer be limited to previews of movies that have been out for years. In fact, it will no longer be limited to movies at all

because it will now be home to a little attraction called Plekdu's Fantastic Intergalactic Review. I'm getting a lot of Tomorrowland 2055 in here, and it's not just due to nostalgia, not just nostalgia for what never was. I think it can work now today, and I don't think that has to be carousel theater. I think, honestly, you have to build less animatronics this way but you are still building animatronics god damn it of course you are because this is a new uh country bear jamboree type animatronic and film show you could still screen it but let's update those screens uh teaming with aliens and robots from across the Disney universe, one thing we have to figure out is who is Plektu? What is Plektu? And I've decided that Plektu is the ringleader of this whole thing,

and he is part of the same species as Skippy from Alien and Smarter. Here we go. Yeah, yes. He is a Skippy. Apparently, his species, here's what's happening. My phone, or sorry, my laptop has auto-corrected so much of the, in doing this, I had to teach my computer what Autopia is and what Plekdu is. It's trying to tell me that these aren't words, but they are words.

I'm teaching my computer a lot. My phone tried to correct choo-choo to chop chop and i'm like you what i must have typed choo-choo before i need to know the context in which you were trying to send a message to someone with choo-choo great question jane was sending me a tweet about how there's a tiny big Thunder Mountain play set you can buy at Tokyo Disney now. Oh, I saw that. And I wrote back, choo-choo. Very good.

This is a text for the ages. Anyway, this thing was trying to autocorrect the species that Skippy is, which is, I can say proudly, Fluthmagoon Cliffhugger. That is the species. Now we know. Somehow it didn't come up when we talked about Alien Encounter years ago.

So this Cliffhugger, despite his small stature, is the most revered musical mind in this or any galaxy. And using the power of teleportation, Plekdu has prepared an incredible show featuring all the greatest musicians and performers across the known universe. This is now a show, a review, that features Sonny Eclipse. Whoa. He's in it.

You said him before. Max Rebo. Max Rebo's in it. They own it. He's in it. The Cantina Band is in it. Why not? Figurin' Dan, they own it.

Why was there not a show that puts all this stuff together? I hear you. Here's where, let me take a deep breath and say that the main backing band, the wrecking crew of this show, will be Hooter, Idy and Odie, Major and Minor Domo, Fuzzball, Captain EO's pals, who all play music and turn into instruments at the end of Captain EO. It's the theater where Captain EO happened right they will this will be a great band we know that they can bring it and they will finally be freed from the tyrannical clutches of their problematic captain right free to do their own thing this was the thing i thought about too oh yeah they don't they don't work for him anymore

like i guess we could just make a new movie with a different captain EO in there. That was a pitch I was thinking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's, I don't know. Maybe let's just take these characters. They're just, they're drums. They're living keyboards now. And lest you think that this is only for dorks and nostalgic for the 80s, this can also be a vessel to tie together all kinds of Disney IP.

The Toy Story aliens could be in it. Zurg can be in it. Zurg can do a song. Let's let Zurg do a song. Baymax. Stitch can do an Elvis song. They own the Muppets. They could have the Yip Yip Aliens.

Oh, yeah. Put the Yip Yips in it. They do some Yip Yip song. Pigs in Space? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Sure? Yes, yes.

And you know what? And it doesn't all have to be, like, they don't all have to have a song associated with them. I think we can draw from the Disney library. Well, hey, why not do original stuff too? I mean, there's lots of possibilities musically here. You know, hey, you know who's an alien? The Na'vi Shamana song. What if the Na'vi Shamana song showed up in her own thing?

Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. She could do a duet with Zurg. I would love to see Zurg in a full tuxedo pulling a Seth MacFarlane and singing Beyond the Sea or something. Yeah, yeah. Well, what's a good, you know, I mean, Randy Newman is the soundtrack of the Toy Story world, you know, like a really heavy, I don't know,

Living Without You or something, sung by Zurg. Yeah. Who had to go without his son for so many years. It's so hard. Musically, I mean, this could be a way, I want to tie together the whole sci-fi Disney space-averse. You could do like the Universe of Energy song. Oh, yeah. And like Epcot music could be a way. I want to tie together the whole sci-fi Disney space-averse. You could do, like, the Universe of Energy song. Oh, yeah.

And, like, Epcot music could be part of this. You know what could be part of this? Also paying tribute to the legacy of this very spot, Halix. We could do Halix songs. They own the Halix songs. It's amazing. Like, to finally use,

it's such a, like, fucking movie previews for years in the place where Helix and Captain EO happened. We're fixing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. I thought about Helix, too, but I was like, they wouldn't do it. I know they would, but, I don't know, they pay attention to stuff. The documentary is a huge hit.

That's a massive YouTube thing. People bring that up to me. That's been a way to, like, reconnect with people who I haven't seen in years. Like, I saw you in that Helix documentary. Wow. That's wild that that is a thing that's getting around. And I'm so happy. Rightfully so.

Matthew Kevin did such a great job. But anyway, Helix can be here. Where else could it build but Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow? Wow. Now we're revitalizing all of these things that they own and they could be doing something with. Like a Skrillex version of Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow. Now we're revitalizing all of these things that they own and they could be doing something with. Like a Skrillex version of Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow. Dabbs, of course.

Yes. Let Skrillex go to town on that baby. Finally make it a good song. Right, Jason? Yeah. We're trying to needle you in failing. We could really not do Disney history. You could get Devo 3.0 in here

even younger children singing the hits of Devo animatronic Devo 3.0 and yet somehow and this is not an alien thing but does this not feel like a if we're going to have lots of alien races and different types of robots

all working together and singing together in harmony would not a great way to sum this all up. Be if we listen to each other. Let's do that. Let's do that. Eye to eye is the finale. I think they're dying. I think they need a permanent spot for eye to eye somewhere in the park.

They've got a music version of eye to eye playing in Toontown. Really? Yeah. Great, great. And there's other some Muzak version of like... Is that in the queue or is that out in the... Out in the... That's out in the grass. Yeah. But they have like DuckTales and Chip and Dale Muzak themes. Oh, cool. And Mickey Mouse Clubhouse songs, which now I'm very

aware of. Oh, okay. Hot Diggity Dog by They Might Be Giants. Oh. which plays on the mickey mouse clubhouse wow wow wow okay okay uh um anyway this uh this could of course also be installed at epcot's magic guy theater we don't have to limit ourselves to i mean space wise who fucking knows but we'll figure it out they'll figure it out it also some of it could be screens if we go really good screens we go born stuntacular screens maybe now we i don't know then if we're limited in space it could be a mix of animatronics and just really good uh you know screen technology um also uh here's here's a thought too if we're of course we all love this it's very 80 80s, 90s. If ultimately, if somehow this is not seized upon by the world,

I have another idea. Because to do this right, you'd have to do a full refresh of the seating and the sound for this theater. You'd put immersive speakers next to every seat. During the day, this would create incredible quality for the music for Plekdu's Intergalactic Review. But at night, it could enable an entire second show imagine a monsters after dark night only perhaps halloween only or maybe it expands but imagine if the same space past a certain hour transformed into an experience meant only for adults and the bravest of children a reimagined alien encounter oh wow this theater in the same wow theater in this theater i guess that had harnesses before but whatever i think you'd re you i don't know you you could discombobulate

it just do something new with it uh but this but sort of that idea and i haven't fleshed this out thoroughly but imagine if now it finally is featuring the true alien now the property of disney as it was meant to be in this neck of the park the xenomorph is actually in a new reimagined alien encounter wow yeah that would be very cool i also thought a little bit about some of that alien stuff but then i was i guess really like you could have put like a mind buzz light you could have done like a cartoon xenomorph oh sure but then a cute issue are we aware real quick of the Haunted Mansion Krusty reference that's been removed? No.

In Haunted Mansion Holiday, on one of the boxes where the jack-in-the-box pops out, there's a kind of haunted-looking Krusty the Clown on the box, and people pointed it out right away. Oh, this is a Simpsons reference in a Disney park. In the Haunted Mansion. People pointed it out right away. Oh, this is a Simpsons reference in a Disney park. In the Haunted Mansion. People pointed it out right away.

Three or four days later, gone. Wow. Wow. Geez, I wonder what does that mean? I don't know. Wait a minute. Is the Tim Burton Batman Returns duck in there? The tiny toy duck?

Is it weird? Do you know about this? In the Haunted Mansion? In the Haunted Mansion Holiday, there's a small duck that looks like the penguin's giant duck. Really? I did not see that. It's been there for years. Oh.

What? Yeah. But is it just a duck-looking thing? It looks like the duck. Okay. Looks like the vehicle. So it's a little reference because Tim Burton produced- It's a little nod because Tim Burton, yeah.

Yeah. Oh. Produced the movie. Oh, wait, I guess I can tell. But it's sort of like the Mr. Limpet fish. It's not official. It's not official enough. I see.

Disney doesn't own Mr. Limpet yet. The character is on the Snow White. It's been a long record, I guess. Little Mermaid Ride. Little Mermaid. Oh, they don't own Limpet. That's a brazen cut. Wow.

He's not lit up, Mr. Limimpit, on the Little Mermaid ride. You have to know where to look. And that's definitely one of my top. Grab the person next to me by the arm and shake the arm and tell them, look, it's Mr. Limpit. The character of Mr. Limpit. And they're like, what is that? Yeah, of course.

I was born in the 1980s. What is that? What's wrong with you? Are you a time traveler? Your daughter just responds with, eh. Yeah. So, brand new attractions, revitalized favorites from Tomorrowland's past and never built, light speed and slow speed, thrills and heart.

It's all waiting in Tomorrowland 3055. My Blue Sky presentation. I felt emotional writing this i think even just imagining that any of this i wanted i wanted to go so deep in thinking about this that maybe it like lands in my dreams i want to dream about some of this stuff so bad i want to too i mean there's a lot of marquee attractions it's like it's kind of like that moment at the movies in the middle of summer kind of about now we're like all the blockbusters and some big indie surprise hits are playing at once and you're like look at all these movies i yeah well that's how it should feel that's how it could feel I don't you know it's like some ideas

they've sort of done it's some some blue sky stuff uh um and like as I said I I there's enough that I love about what's there and what's been there that I don't want to fully blow it up yeah I do ask you and it I mean maybe just really quick if you were going to fully blow it up if you had my assignment what's the is there like just do you flash to this thing's out entirely? I truly – I'm not joking when I say I level the whole – everything goes. Wow. You rebuild space. I mean the only thing is like keeping something that looks sort of Space Mountain-ish, but I think I would rebuild the whole thing.

Yeah. Because I would want whatever that Tokyo Space Mountain is. Yeah, yeah. And maybe I should have, but again, I love my atrium. Yeah. And I love Star Tours, and I don't, you know. I think there's a really good version that's a full blow-up, but it's not my version. Yeah.

I wouldn't be honest. It definitely, I would have blown the whole thing up. It would have been like two stories like Tomorrowland 2055. Well, you know what I thought about is that like you you at least the wally side of things the former bus layer side of things that that could be room for like a like a tron tunnel or something like the show scene happens in there uh um so you could maybe you raise like that one's gone star tours i capen though right and then yeah and then just yeah i don't i don't think i think the lagoon goes i think autopia goes for me yeah yeah and then i

think i another full up people mover is there uh it's new space mountain i think there's i would add one more e-ticket that would be like a completely original e-ticket. Yeah. That's like, this is off the top of my head, like some sort of like planetary exploration ride. Okay. Where you're like going through like, I don't know, maybe like a crater and like an asteroid or something. More of an on the ground sort of. You're running into aliens and stuff

and it could be kind of scary, depending. Could you be like in an astronaut training and Gary Sinise is there? Gary Sinise could be there, yes. And you're in a G-force like. We call it mission space. Okay. But it could be good

and it could be more of a dark ride where you come upon aliens and like you're now exploring the surface of a planet what about like journey to the center of the earth but it's in space sure the way like those cool caves that you yeah yeah you know what god that's really good that is a future aesthetic that isn't mined anywhere is like craters underground here's an interesting this is again i'm not i haven't thought this through where but if you could have it where it was almost like a tower of terror ride system and you could kind of float almost to make it feel you were zero gravity if there was a way i guess maybe

kuka arm is the way to do it yeah but a kuka arm that wouldn't so kind of aggressively move you around if it almost like a kuka arm that was really gentle sure they could kind of float you serene feeling yeah so it could kind of float you in front of things and you could get jump scares that way but then you could get like cool like feeling like you're zero gravity where you're kind of jumping yeah that feeling that you'd always when you see like the footage of the people on the moon where you're like oh that would be so cool to be jumping and you have like 10 seconds of hang time. Something like that. Yeah. Like I would have gone with another, yeah, like a completely original.

The gravity, representing the gravity like on the ground on the moon. Something like that. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm obsessed with that patent for that spider, probably a Spider-Man ride that was suspending you from the ceiling on kind of like a row of chairs that would have simulated swinging like Spider-Man because when we talk about like well what would you want from the property with Spider-Man it's like swinging is the coolest thing

if you could actually feel like you were swinging in a practical city which is what it looked like that ride would have been and I guess I guess getting a good upper body workout it's also a very cool thing well that's true too yeah having really worn down shoulders uh-huh it's pretty fun sure but yeah i even though i do love the stuff you're talking about in tomorrowland i'm like i'm envisioning like crazy new tomorrowland well i almost like you know i i i almost feel like I landed that not fully, but I had a lot of logic in mind and keeping infrastructure.

So I almost feel like mine, if there was any failing in what I did, it was maybe somewhere between mid and blue sky. Sure, I don't think you failed. And I do like the dreaming of, no, yeah, it's just, you know, to personal taste, I suppose. But yeah, something fully new. I think I am so hung up on what they've wanted to do. I love all of the Never Built Tomorrowland stuff almost like more than what I think I could come up with myself. I love so much of these ideas. I think reusing that UFO abduction drop tower is like, I think yours were a lot of E-Tech hits

and honored Disney history and then no idea ever abandoned, you know. What we both were doing was trying to, because there's so much stuff that's gone that we miss or miss because it didn't exist. And trying to encapsulate that, trying to forge that in iron so it can't go away. It has a presence there forever or just embalm it so we can still get little tastes of all the stuff we like from the history of disney because because it feels like so much of that weird stuff is gone yeah so just trying to sneak it in here

and there yeah we're still very ip brand we like we need right we know even in a blue sky version you like want that but i do love some of this ip that's the thing i uh matron i love the aesthetic of at least i do love love WALL-E. Of all the areas, I think there are a lot. And some Toy Story Buzz representation. Yeah. I don't need it to be free of IP. That said, I love your crater.

It's just off the top of my head or whatever. I know. You don't even have notes. Can you put the guitar down? We don't have it hooked up to the audio. You can't sing. I'm just strumming G, A minor, D minor. I'm just kind of feeling it.

I feel like we should wind it down, but I mean, I don't think there's any winning or losing here. No. The only losers will be all of us when they don't say anything close to any of what was said, not even the sod. I'm actually trying to be faithful to current company. I have been laid off.

I've been kicked out of the Slack channels. Oh, no. You got fired from your fictional job? I was only 1099 anyway. It's not like an official firing. Yeah. Oh, man. So you didn't get insurance anyway?

No. It's just freelance. No. Covered California actually got worse because of the increased revenue, increased income. Boy, oh boy. I am so sorry for your fake struggles. Sorry. So many thoughts in my head at once.

What is the most logical thing they'll announce of all three of these pitches? Is there one thing that one of us has said where you go, well, that is going to happen? Is there a single thing? I think some. I don't think they will. The fact that we both landed there, I think something with Carousel and Space Restaurant or something, or it's a bar up there. You build higher or you make that building cooler.

They should. I don't know if they will. But I think if they actually are going to redo all of Tomorrowland, now I'm like, if we both landed there, it means maybe they will too. Maybe, yeah. But yeah, you're right. Of what was said, what do we think actually will? Ant-Man could

be the answer. This ride is, I watched it, it's nonsense. It took me a while to realize, oh, Ant-Man, you're shrunk down they still have the rule that like marvel's in california adventure but i guess that's like an easy thing they've got designed that would fit um and it would be an announcement of something somewhat exciting to i don't know i don't know it's got to be from yours right what do you think

from yours might i well from mine i mean i don't i don't think they're gonna do my buzz lightyear idea but uh i i think they could potentially announce just other star tours levels they could they yeah it's possible they could just i think it's funny we all got rid of buzz which i don't know that they're guaranteed to well i kept buzz the character yeah yeah so but we all agreed something there which i don't think we've like... Yeah, that's true. It's not that I dislike the ride, it's just like there's still possibilities. It needs something. It needs a refreshing... A little juice, something.

Some juice. Yeah. Some fresh juice. It's hard to... I cannot come up with what... I mean, it's something to carousel building, but I'm not sure what it is. Maybe. Yes, yes. It is something. You're right. It's something there. Is there any possibility that Tron is there and not in the new i was this is the whole thing i'm looking at google maps and i'm looking at the footprint of tron and magic kingdom and i'm like it's so big that's why i

went with a deconstructed i like tron as people mover it's kind of both of our ideas in different ways i really love that idea i think they should do it and again i want as much i'm just like let's do shit here so then uh it's all free over in disneyland forward it still feels like if they do a rear like a an abridged tron or a different tron it still feels like they have to build a lot yeah like it doesn't feel like there's an easy like plot of land for them to build this new tron because it still needs long stretches for it to go fast yeah so i mean your idea into the esplanade it makes a lot of sense if if they're gonna if it's gonna coincide with the the expansion of that area so yeah i

guess it's possible but i was just looking at it ah, it feels like that's a lot of work for them to figure out where to put Tron here. You can't. I don't think you can just do regular light cycle run. You can't. I don't think it's possible. That's right. I want them to re-imagine. I want them to do something bold.

But, yes, then it's an expensive thing, I think, because then they've got to build either on top of infrastructure there or they've got to go behind into different areas. And I don't know which buildings are necessary. And the the trains stuff is right there there's like a road there's like a service road and then the train stuff is right there you're at harbor pretty fast too right tough it's a tough gambit listeners we had to think so hard about all these things it's tricky oh the maps all of us yeah it wasn't yeah you what? It was a struggle for all of us. Jason's the only one who got fired, but otherwise. Right. I try my best.

I mean, I'll still put it on my resume. You should. Yeah, you should. It's a bad time to look for work in Southern California entertainment industry. Of course. It says here you personally redesigned and painted all of New Tomorrowland at Disneyland. Yep, yep. I'm willing to start from the bottom, and I'm hard.

My greatest weakness is actually that I'm too hard of a worker. That's smart. That's a good tip. I care too much. That's a good thing to say when you're in an interview. That's a tip. Good tip. All right.

Well, that's good because we got a lot of sod to sow. You are hired as a sodsman. Okay. Well, at least that has benefits in the Landscapers Union, right? Of course, yeah. Okay. We've undermined the union a little bit. Don't worry about it. Oh, no. Well, we will see tomorrow if there is anything close to what we have discussed for tomorrow.

Yes. And real quick, I'd like to say, why not do this concept with other lands? Ooh. You're right. You're right. May as well. I enjoyed it. I hope the listener did too.

I absolutely. Well, that's, hey, listeners, what do you want us to? You know what? Yeah, because any, even the best land could use it, you know. I'll demolish almost any land. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting.

Like, make it better. I'll try to make it better. That's the whole goal, I think. If you draw, I think we'll keep this structure, and if you draw the special blue sky where you you could demolish everything just try to make it better yeah make it better I'm just here to help well and you know what building our dream Disneyland forwards is also probably I think we should do that yeah

yeah I think we should all right well hey new ideas opened up I hope you enjoyed this mental exercise exercise I hope that you're sad that none of what we said will happen I hope that there's I hope that you're sad that none of what we said will happen. I hope that there's, I hope that there is like the avatar onboarding. Uh,

I don't get, get to actually live on Pandora. And I hope that, uh, all of you are upset that some of these cool things will never happen. I know I am. I have to say goodbye now to Plekdu and a show with all my friends. Yeah.

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