Podcast: The Ride - Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln

Episode Date: June 29, 2018

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Warning, the following podcast may include heated advocacy for Disney workers and country bears, a cacophony of loud scissors, plus my fascination with a dirty animatronic foot. Please go buy the most expensive headphones possible to fully appreciate this binaural episode. It's Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln on Podcast The Ride. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, a podcast where we're confident we could do a tidy five-hour episode about the outlet mall on the way to Disneyland, the Citadel. I'm Scott Gairdner, joined by fellow Citadel heads, I assume, Jason Sheridan. Hi, yeah, I haven't really explored many of California's great outlet malls.

I guess I hate one coming back from Palm Springs. Oh, that one. Yeah. Well, I find outlet malls to be sort of generally unpleasant, though I'm like a mall connoisseur in general. I feel like the outlet malls are, you know, as the name implies, less decorated, less of a fun, casual experience and more just a uh you know a cattle call for uh for bargains sure there are fortresses yes i find often i'm by the way mike carlson and mike carlson uh fortresses the one that you're talking about the one on the way to palm springs and the one

at the citadel it's like they're impenetrable. It's hard. You got to drive like for 15 minutes into the parking lot. Oh, yeah. It takes forever to park. It's like a madhouse in there. Yeah. And then once you actually get to the like mall part, you have to like wind this labyrinth. Like it's crazy. Like it's more unpleasant than a normal mall.

I feel like. The Palm Springs one when I was there was also being redone. So, it looked like kind of an open air prison. There was just like a weird chain link fence everywhere but like in in confusing spots yes they are prisons i think i went to the i went to the citadel once so this is really going to be fascinating to people that don't live in los angeles oh wait so the citadel if you're driving down the five from the los angeles area where we all live you will on the right before you get in orange county you'll pass

by this big castle type thing called the citadel uh and it's to me it looks like a it looks like a mario castle from the outside that's what it is cool yeah yes but only the outside because then you go in there and that is a facade there is no continued cool castle theming. There's no medieval times type arena show. The food court doesn't have medieval pun names. It's just, it's very dull. And especially at Christmas time, the exterior, there's a giant present. And let me ask you this question. Does that present make you uncomfortable?

Because it's such a large present. Oh, and I've since, I've recently revealed my issue with giant things, especially giant versions of miniature things. No, I think seeing a big bow on the big Citadel box is a lot of fun. It gets me in the holiday spirit. And it's outside. No one's forcing me to be in an enclosed space with it. But thanks for your concern.

Okay, just wondering. Yeah, because it is like, especially around Christmasmas time that it's so bright it's distracting there's a giant present there's these screens that are like probably it should be illegal to have a screen that bright next to a freeway because like people would be distracted the whole time yeah all advertising like local djs and like uh you know like uh pasadena presentations of Aladdin or whatever. I feel like I saw ads for that on the Citadel. Off-brand e-cigarettes. I went to that Pasadena Aladdin show that you're talking about

starring Bruce Valanche, Richard Karn, and Ben Vereen. Ben Vereen's legit theater royalty. That ain't bad. and they put all these like it was not a disney show but they put in all these like disney references just because they knew people like the only idiots now know the aladdin version of disney from disney so they added like a bunch of disney jokes into it and they had ben varine say like some lion king joke and he called mufasa mufafa that's one of my favorite memories from the show because of all this like there was they were talking about that's not like missing the the

name that's not saying it incorrectly maybe i don't know okay i'm not exactly sure uh it's because look these uh shows they do in pasadena at this playhouse uh lightly rehearsed i would say these aren't like these aren't broadway style sure seeing ben varine on broadway 20 years ago he was like on top of it probably this is like he kind of glanced at the script before he went out there and he just kind of dances around he's so talented he can make it work he knows he'll get a cheer just by by going out there yes um you wait your citadel story oh yeah yeah let's let's yeah. Let's keep track of our tangents. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

People are very upset when we tangent. Our tangents about local Los Angeles things, which, by the way, that bothers, I feel like a large contingent of our audience is in Los Angeles, or at least fascinated by it. But if you're bothered, but we don't ever give enough context, please let us know.

Hashtag no more LA. I mean, if you're listening, but we don't ever give enough context, please let us know. Hashtag no more LA. I mean, if you're listening to any comedy podcast and you're like too much, too much tangent, too much LA talk, I would encourage you to look at, uh, any comedy podcast and you will see the same.

Yeah. Well, and we're going to balance it out with, uh, an equal amount of Orlando local mundanity. Yeah. We'll, we'll always make sure. And, uh, well, and we're going to balance it out with an equal amount of Orlando local mundanity. Yes. We'll always make sure. And France, Martin-le-Vallee.

And Schaumburg, Illinois, and the wonderful Woodfield Mall and all the different things I grew up with. I'm really looking forward to the eventual Schaumburg Mall episode. It's amazing how many odd things we found that were there, and I'm excited. But here, let's close out the Citadel first. Yeah, the Citadel. I mean, the Citadel, look, an unspectacular story. I went to the Citadel. I think it was Christmas Eve or the day after Christmas.

I can't remember. I was driving back up, and I went, you know what? I'm going to stop at the Citadel. It's Christmastime. Outside is so lovely. There's a big present. And I know there's a Disney store there. And a Disney outlet store.

So I stopped. It took me, what I said, 15 minutes to park. Like, just crazy. Like, people stalking spots. There's not enough spots. Well, after Christmas sales, you know? But I guess you're right. I guess it's my fault for going there.

And then you go in the disney outlet store which is not dissimilar to just a disney store and everything is like two dollars off and it's there's nothing because i was like wow there's going to be deals there's going to be everything i want there's going to be theme park merchandise because we're so close to anaheim right it is not the case it is just a a mater shirt for a little child it is a you know how dare rapunzel doll it's all the stuff the normal stuff you would get in a disney store well because in anna uh because in orlando there are disney outlets specifically for park merchandise which i think there used to be out here and then there did it moved and then it closed and and so i never made it so i stupidly

thought that there must be some merchandise here because we're so close to anaheim and no of course not there's no america sings shirt there's no old america sings animatronic in here this is just a disney store that's slightly discounted yeah i'm an idiot the sizes are slightly misprinted right when we went up to wrestlemania wrestlemania 31 WrestleMania 31 in San Jose, we pulled into a shopping mall or like a strip mall and there was a Disney outlet there too and we got very excited and it was the same deal. Oh. It was not.

It was nothing special is all I'm saying. Nothing spectacular. Hey, stick to J. Crew Factory. That's what I like at outlet malls. I've had a lot of good luck at j crew factory i think the shorts i'm wearing right now are from there let me take a photo though so we can post on twitter of these baby blue this is one of the first warm days we've had it's gonna hit 85 here in southern california today this this shot of jason's bare legs is going to tear up the twitter like the pirate uh on pirates of the

caribbean dangling his leg over the bridge this is gonna be just as iconic that is weird that you're just under under bare feet that's one of the most memorable things i feel like about that ride is that foot we'll get into this i don't think i've really really thought about the foot what's a lot of people have shared that think I've really thought about the foot. A lot of people have shared that with me privately, that they remember the foot on Pirates of the Caribbean. Does that foot have a wiki feet page? Is that a celeb feet? What is that website called?

I don't know. I know what you're talking about, but I haven't explored, and I assume you have explored a little more of the foot fetishes on the Internet. Just intellectually, but it's not really my bag bag but you're interested in all the fetishes you're a little more curious than scott and i i'm curious about how people engage with that sort of thing you know what i know about wiki feet is that the uh whereas like you know there's not a lot of like nude scenes out there to choose from for your mr skin kind of websites but wiki feet if there's an actress who has a tv credit anyone we know probably anyone who's been on the show yes they are on wiki feed if you've ever been on

television or in a movie wiki feed is they're just more uh what's the word they're more they're in depth they like they they catalog everything right but you we all might you will be as soon as that picture goes is it equal male and female feet do we know what do you think yeah well no of course it wouldn't be but scott said we could be on there so i thought maybe it is an equal opportunity because mr skin has a different i've heard i've heard is that there's a male version of it now, too. Oh, really? That does like... Oh, for hunks?

Yeah, Harvey Keitel scene, the Kevin Bacon scene. You know, all the famous dick scenes. Burr Reynolds, but he's naked in like a centerfold type setting. Not in a film. Though he might be in a film as well. But the foot... Yeah, the foot thing. The foot fetish, I feel like, this is another tangent real quick,

is so prevalent that we must have friends that have it. But I don't have it. I don't get it at all. Yeah, that's probably true. I don't get it at all, and I'm not covering it all for my deep, dark secret, I swear. Somebody's got it. Because you may have it. I don't want to out you guys unless you

want to say it but anyway um i do not but though i am on wiki feet currently and i just looked up the word pirate and uh there are no results oh boy jason do you do you also isn't that foot memorable am i i think so well like because they made it they painted it to look very dirty right it's a dirty foot dirty foot and that dirty foot is one of the most memorable things to me about pirates of the ryan and disney my mom brings it up too you're speaking in code though now you this you're this sounds like a foot fetish it's not it's just memorable it's this is actually illuminati he speak the code is illuminati oh okay it's not a sex thing it's not a deep because if you're if you get into the illuminati it's a secret foot shake yes yeah a dirty foot shake you have to have the right amount of foot stain my mom would always talk about the foot she

would be like oh isn't it cool the foot is over like what's there to say about the foot when people have discussed the foot with you privately what's the what's the discussion people always say we'll just i mean it's a quick discussion we don't get into it too much of like what would it be like to touch the foot or what would it be like there but everyone's talking about you know like it's it's cool having that foot hanging there and their memory of it is very specific because sometimes you miss stuff on the ride but it seems like almost everybody knows that and fixates on it a little bit. And it's a very, like, I don't know. I guess it looks real.

I guess it looks real. And some of the other stuff, like, you know, the chasing around doesn't look so real because it's on a track. And maybe, yeah, yeah, sure. And, you know, Lincoln, who we're talking about today, we don't know what his feet look like. That was an early animatronicronic and it didn't get too much into the details so got a couple years down the line and they were confident enough in their animatronic making abilities to have a realistic dirty foot right right yeah i do but we do know i mean historically in that doris kearns goodwin book she does refer to l Lincoln as one sick fuck. So, like, he may have been in two feet.

But, yeah, I don't know if that affected the Imagineers when they were building the robot. Statistically speaking, several of the presidents have to have been in defeat. Oh, yeah. And we don't know who, necessarily, but we can all guess, I think. Did anyone show their cards in any way um was there uh well you know i

this is pretty tangential but the um who was it there was a guy who worked for reagan who banned the beach boys america's band from performing their fourth of july concerts in the washington mall appropriate for a fourth of july episode. And he said something about how they bring the wrong element. The 80s Beach Boys bring that seedy rock and roll element to the Washington Mall that we don't want, and they replaced him with Wayne Newton instead. And this was so unpopular, I forget the guy's name, that the Beach Boys came to washington on reagan's invite and the

guy had uh was given a the secretary of the interior or whatever was given a giant foot because he put his foot in his mouth he was given like a foot in your mouth award perhaps by reagan himself so if that uh foot in the mouth given to James whatever Reagan's underling, maybe he just had a lot of cast iron feet hanging around his White House. So that was a long-winded way of saying I think Reagan was a foot man. Yeah, I think we can declare officially here Reagan was a foot guy. We have all the proof we need. Yeah.

Anybody else we think was a secret foot fascist? I'mist processing someone going like beach boys no wayne newton yes because this many years later it's just like i'm sure if you told people that they would just go like that's both old music yeah that's both stuff my parents like it's a lateral move but uh you know the beach boys have uh guitars and there's girls in bikini tops who come to dance to the surf music whereas wayne newton is just kind of swinging and uh quiet and it's it's a more composed horniness i guess you get with wayne newton it's a subtext also had no involvement with uh the manson family wayne newton not as far as i know

but you have to imagine some some mob ties to be that much of a uh fixture oh yeah for sure i found a completely unsourced uh yahoo answers uh answer to how many people have a foot fetish they claim it's from a kinsey study uh done in the 70s 15 of americans have a foot fetish. They claim it's from the Kinsey study done in the 70s. 15% of Americans have a foot or related fetish. Pretty high. Pretty high. Pretty high. So if you then, forgive me while I pull up my calculator, 45 presidents times 0.15, and

that gives us 6.75. So somewhere between six and seven. Reagan, we know with certainty certainty but there have to have been six other presidents who were foot fetishes grant i say grant sure i don't know why i just have a feeling that's a good one um uh he probably saw some feet get lost during the civil war yes he probably saw a lot of stray feet lying around i I bet he did. Was he disturbed by it, but the fetish was a way to process it? Anyway, we just want to wish everyone a happy 4th of July. You sit with your loved ones and tell tales of severed feet.

And let us know who you think of the presidents was a footman. Against my better judgment i'm gonna say tweet at us which president you think had a fondness for the feats we got so many more tweets today than any other day we have blocked everyone who tweeted at us somebody will have like read a biography and it had to be in there like this probably for a few of them is documented so yeah we'll hear we'll find out i feel like uh an obvious answer might be clinton because he was an old perv but yeah i don't but i think we'd know the the foot thing because we're pretty aware of his fetishes or his specific interest i think the foot fetish is too innocent for bill clinton well what do we think about uh abraham lincoln let's

cover that first of all i don't know he seems like a very staid i don't see a lot of sexuality in abraham lincoln there's been so many like books or like was lincoln gay was this like but i don't know that anyone oh right yeah anyone has some definitive like a thing and and to just just say it for the record we're talking about great moments with mr lincoln today yes uh there's nothing about his sex sexuality on that ride no but like the pirates ride uh probably the only one of the few rides with a dirty foot in it this as i was watching a couple different versions i was like is this the only disney ride that openly mentions suicide because they quote that um lyceum speech of lincoln's where he says like die by suicide like that's the only way yeah america would go down by suicide

voice rattling in my head uh last few days. Sounds like Boss Nass. He's shaking his head around while he talks. This is a prequel deep cut character, Boss Nass. Great moments with Boss Nass in Star Wars Land. Where he talks about the Naboo or yeah,

I was going to say Navi or Naboo. The Gungan War. Mm-hmm. Oh, it just has me in such a tizzy. If Disney can get an animatronic to shake their gels accurately, let's get that boss Nass attraction. I think you just use kind of the Ursula-like body, and then you just change the head and make some water effects

where he shoots water at the people when they can mimic someone tweeted at us that we did not talk about on the little mermaid episode we didn't mention uh earlier this year when ursula's head fell off yes the one park yeah but that looked that kind of swung around a lot if they could program an animatronic to have the motions of that dangling head i think you'd get something closer to like a boss nass uh horrible we'll start working on it guys guys and girls people demand the gel shake be immortalized um you know you mentioned uh suicide being mentioned in this attraction yes and i found on a similar note i read an interview with imagineer mark davis who was one of the primary imagineers who worked on all these uh

early attractions in the world's fair stuff and he uh um you know the the great moments with mr lincoln was made for the 1964 world's fair as was the carousel of progress as was it's a small world and as was the primeval world and magic skyway which is now the dinosaur tunnel at disneyland um so they're doing four attractions for the world's fair uh uh this is a magazine the e-ticket asked mark davis was of the four attractions for the world's fair was great moments of mr lincoln the most complex mark davis said well it was the one where we quote sweated blood you. You know, Walt was about ready to cut his own throat. And we were ready to jump off the bridge with him.

Wow. So, suicide was heavy in everyone's minds creating this situation. Well, what I read was that they had, Walt Disney famously loved Abraham Lincoln. And they had Robert Moses, like a longtime new york political fixture i was reading about the parks commissioner the parks commissioner but he also like held like simultaneously held like a dozen different titles but was always appointed never elected but was insanely powerful anyway he was given like disney gave him a tour of the stuff they were working on because uh moses wanted him to you know was was given like disney gave him a tour of the stuff they were working on

because uh moses wanted him to you know was interested in getting disney involved in the world's fair and the very last thing they showed him was like a prototype of early prototype of the abraham lincoln animatronic he's like yes that's great there's an ellen it'll be in the illinois pavilion and uh uh it was nowhere near ready and the but he promised like we'll have it done so like i'm sure the pressure of that and also the pressure of trying to recreate uh one of america's most beloved political figures was probably like yeah i could see you sweating some blood yeah he was like i mean that's i feel like that is a thing that most maniac innovators are like, where it's like, do this now.

I don't care if it's not ready. You figure it out and we'll all be the most stressed up until somebody figures it out. Steve Jobs was famous for that sort of shit. I read the nicer Steve Jobs biography and he still comes out looking like a lunatic. Yeah, but same with Walt, where he would just demand something and then keep checking in on it. And they'd be like, it's impossible. And he'd be like, it's not impossible. And then they wouldn't be impossible.

That's the thing also with maniacs is they are often proven right because then it's not impossible. They got it. They fixed it. They did it. It just had to be pushed harder. And it's where you do it. You have a lot of respect for like what you're seeing in the presidency right now is this syndrome but all the people carrying it out are not good at what they're doing incredibly incompetent but it's the syndrome that typically

works with well thank god the guy's surrounded by geniuses right in the case of walt disney yeah he these people it's it does defy logic the way people who were animators on paper or were suddenly able to switch mediums and pull off something that had never been done before within a year on a crazy timeline. Or like Bob Gurr, a frequently touted Imagineer, who you mainly associate with really technical attractions like the Autopia he mainly worked in vehicles and big blunt uh instruments and stuff he ended up coming aboard the Lincoln thing even though he had not done character animation before but he did he did understand

complex machinery which is what uh Lincoln ended up being yeah I read there's a story about orson welles when they made citizen kane like he was a theater guy uh uh for for his early life he did so much in the theater and on the radio he really didn't know that much about making films so like when it came time to like all right this is where the scene's gonna fade out and we'll fade up on another scene he just had them slowly dim the lights they're practical fades and that's why they don't look some of them like oh that looks so different than any other film but it's because well he didn't know you did that in post he just did it sure on set wow wow um yeah so i mean this is a this is a big victory for uh you know taking taking big swings and the the other cool thing is that walt got to do it on other people's dime like all of these attractions ended up coming to disneyland

en masse but he did not have to pay for them the usual way everything was financed right in in this case the state of illinois or ge sponsoring the carousel of progress um and also just to put things on the contextual animatronic timeline the biggest animatronic thing was it the first i guess the enchanted tiki room um it must have been to some extent um i guess it depends on if you classify the uh fake animals in the jungle cruise those are pretty rudimentary but yeah i guess they move a little they move a little um but yeah tiki room was i think the first big first ones where they speak and it's like the accusers run the show movement um so the enchanted tiki rooms had happened but those are all fairly more simple the creatures it's eyes blinking and mouths moving and

wings flapping. And this is such a giant leap up that it's not only a person, but a person that everybody knows and has very fond feelings about. This one, I didn't realize until reading about this that, you know, so there were two seasons that the World's Fair ran. There was like six months in 1964, six months in 1965. Oh. And while the 65 one was going, they put in Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln simultaneously into Disneyland. So, they were running at the same time.

What? Really? Yeah. And they did it to celebrate the anniversary of the park. Wow. And then there was also, you know pictures of walt everywhere because the the mythology of walt disney is kind of like uh attached to this attraction throughout its history i feel like yeah um but yeah i always thought they just moved the animatronic like they moved all the

other crap out here but the original lincoln animatronic was like they thought lost to the ages until they found it in a crate not too long ago really here like buried in a warehouse in california yeah i think it's been at d23s have you i've seen a new lincoln animatronic but i've not seen the original they had a couple like three or four years ago they had this crazy like expressive lincoln that is quite frankly frighteningly real and i don't think they've put that into any of the parks but they were showing just like the new technology of how much they can make a face a robot face move and it is frightening i'll try to find a video of it it's got to be online somewhere i think i've seen a real close-up

that seemed recent of showing what's uh like it's trained really close and he's like he's a little more cartoonish than normal too which makes it even more like frighteningly real or like just like perverse maybe oh i've got it the original one is now at the one man's dream attraction in uh hollywood studios in florida oh interesting so um you can see that there wow i didn't know that i didn't know that they were running at the same time this is before there was a disneyland and a disney world so that makes it the first multiple locations first cloned attraction wow sure wow there were people sending handwritten newsletters back then of like another clone another clone attraction nothing new the fanboys are furious message boards i was i was impressed to learn that it's a re it's his real face that it's all they had a life mask a life

mask yeah yeah if it's in the video there's a video where he's introducing the ride not the show mask not a death mask a life mask so in what regard this was done like his his face was immortalized like for statues and well this is they said this was before the presidency that they took this life mask that's what he says in the video at least that they did it before the presidency so yeah i don't know if it was i should look more into it if it was during the when he was running for president or i'm not sure or was that just a thing that everyone got when they were in the olden days? We're like, honey, you get your life mask and your death mask?

I think it was an option, especially when photography was so new. Right. Or maybe they knew that one day there will be robots and that we should have this great man and have his face be very accurate. I want to be flopping around on a stage. I think it's interesting about this ride and a lot of portrayals of Lincoln in popular culture is everyone hones in on

writings about his weird voice because like, I mean, this attraction, what is the main guy's, what is the name of the guy who does the voice? In the attraction in the attraction royal dano royal dano um who later there's uh he was an old character actor uh and is survived by a his grandson named hutch dano great wow perfect best names wait is he

related to paul dano i don't know that one let me look that up yeah look that up uh but yeah so a very distinct voice on this traction uh uh and a very distinct voice in uh daniel day lewis doing in the movie lincoln from a few years ago now now now we're on the world stage now now now i was with a group of friends who are really fixated on the lincoln now no no no we are what's the other thing oh i'm the president of the united states clothed in immense power he gets a little less that's not nasally it's the now now now is odd. I don't even know how to describe that. It's a little, it's like kind of whiny. It's a little emo.

No, no, no. It reminds me of around the same time as Lincoln came out. I never saw the movie, but War Horse. Do you remember the movie War Horse? I never saw War Horse. In the trailer, there is an audio clip. And I saw this trailer so much much i feel like they just played it before everything for a while of um uh benedict cumberbatch yelling be brave be brave like

screaming at a battlefield of soldiers and it's just it's never like again i've never seen the movie i know it's about a man and his horse, but that Be Brave just comes into my head every now and then. Old time, like historical, bizarre lines in historical films. You just unlocked another one. There's some movie, maybe you guys can tell me the title. I want to say Natalie Portman is in it. It is a historical film, not America, but like Renaissance. And I just remember a trailer with a lot of like

but but you are my sister she is my sister um and i don't who is it who's the other one i don't know there's i have the title in my head the other boleyn girl oh oh what is that song oh yeah what song what is that movie called uh the other but you are my sister and as such we must maintain boylan okay the other boylan girl boylan b-o-l-e bolin yeah and bolin or i've just always heard wrong pronunciations that uh yeah anyway why do why do things why do odd phraseologies jump out so much phraseology i mean in the um intro to this when when uh uh dano is reading like the the the biography the lincoln was asked to describe himself uh it always stuck out to me when he goes like i was large for my age it's like oh man lincoln was a big boy he was a large son. Real big one.

As a large son, can they just be tall? Because he's a very lanky guy. Yeah, he's very lanky. He's not a husky boy. He wasn't husky, but he was certainly large. I mean, he called himself large. He's 6'4". Yeah.

You ever play Lincoln in anything, Mike? You're probably, you're of the... That's a good question. I don't think I have. No video or sketch or in a play maybe an improv show an insultingly low amount of money to play lincoln for 12 hours no i don't think so maybe president's day related sketch i think it's in an improv show i'm sure i've done so many improv scenes sure but no you weren't like specifically hired because like a lot of i feel like every heavy set actor we know has had to be santa yes perhaps five times minimum you just it's just what ends

up happening but i'm kind of amazed you haven't been employed as a lincoln i don't think there's as much demand for lincoln as santa i think maybe there's just so i think yes lincoln only comes around once in a while but no car sales when like, when like, you know, presidents take car sales. Like, I'll put it out there. I'm happy to play Lincoln. I will play him like Boss Nass. But I'm tall and you can put the beard on me and it'll look right. And I'm fairly lanky.

So, yeah, I'm open for it. Lincoln 2 reloaded? Sure. I'll do the direct-to-DVD sequel. Which we've already, lincoln he's already been used for you know schlocky entertainment with the vampire hunter oh that's not out of the realm of possibility we lincoln has been put in the category of like uh ninjas and uh pirates and like uh yeah like random stuff if you want to convey that your thing is random get a lincoln in there

there's no better way to let people know you have a twisted sense of humor whoa what are they doing with lincoln i thought that was sacred wow they don't care about anything their sensibility is so twisted yeah wow they're implying he's a foot finishesishist. They go there. The, well, to keep talking about the minutia of Lincoln's voice, another article, I think at various times, Lincoln historians have been unhappy with this attraction because while that,

the Royal Dano performance does seem like that, that seems like what Lincoln might've talked like to me, but apparently it was a little higher. was a little more nasally and i guess the criticism is that he should speak like an indiana guy or a kentucky guy and what does that mean exactly i found one article that explained it that if you said you should not say thank you mr chairman you should say thank you mr chairman so oh yeah you fucked fucked up Disney and have him say cheer instead of chair. Wow. Who's analyzing this?

And I guess if you're a, well, first of all, if you're a Lincoln expert and a historian, you are smarter than me and contribute more than I do. So I have no right to be taking you down. But I don't understand caring about not getting the dialect right in this robot ride it has to be much like uh us who have done a lot of a lot of things comedy wise improv sketch tv shows and now we can't watch any comedy because it bothers us it's the same for historians they can't watch any movie they can't enjoy anything

i was talking to somebody the other day who knew somebody who was an expert on pirates. And they said that this person, this pirate expert, hates the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, hates the ride, hates all of it. So this is not what pirates were like. And it bothers them. So, like, I get it that if you're, like, so immersed in the topic, you can't enjoy just a frivolous fun adventure that that fictionalizes pirates or something like it there's too many inaccuracies is what i'm saying uh i mean i i find it uh personally very tiresome in pop culture when it's like oh we gotta go to bingo world when like theme parks are like there's some very like lame theme park There's a, there's lazy portrayals of theme parks in films.

Yes. I mean, then, then there's like most Simpsons stuff is on point. Most Simpsons stuff is pretty good. So great about their theme park episodes. They're very specific, very specific.

I, all the California adventure jokes from like 2001. Did they make California adventure jokes? Multiple times. Just roasting that. Really? Oh yeah. What, but this is like season 19 right i haven't seen no that would have been like 10 or 11 really i think really a little later i was still watching 10 or 11 did i just did these go over my

head you were so offended you blocked them i was mad there's a couple of them the one that sticks out in my mind is like we need to go where no one would ever find you. Or we need to go somewhere totally empty. Disney's California Adventure. Wow, they really even just spell it out. Let me look for this. Also, Royal Dano not related to Paul Dano, as far as I can tell.

That would have been too perfect. I mean, there are a lot of legacies. There are a lot of legacy families in Hollywood. So Royal and Hutch, a different Dano crew than Paul Hutch. there are a lot of uh legacies there are a lot of legacy families in hollywood so so royal and hutch a different daniel than paul hutch that's the greatest name i also just real quick on the on the paul not the paul dano point the which which one what's his name royal dano um so he he had played lincoln in other stuff and he looked sort of Lincolny, uh,

in general. And he, and I was looking up, what can I see him play Lincoln? And he did it, did it in a film or two, but he also did it in a, in a very strange episode of a show called the rifleman.

Oh yeah. West, uh, black and white show. And, uh, I don't know the rest of what happens on the rifleman, but there's a really strange scene where

the rifleman's son is like wrestling with a with a guy and rough necking and uh you know like uh tumbling all around the uh the stable and then when he flips over like hey all right you guys come in for dinner all right i'll be there in a minute and it's in it's lincoln and you're left for like seven minutes going like why am i watching lincoln in this old west uh like having dinner with these farm people and then you then it's spelled out to you that he is a crazy man who thinks he's lincoln and in order to keep him at bay everybody has to like act like he really is lincoln and at some point a little girl innocently says i know everything about you i know that you were born on such a state and you were assassinated uh i mean you wrote the emancipation very good that's right i don't know what that other word was you were

starting well this is the simpson plot the michael jackson simpsons plot oh you're right there's a guy who thinks he's oh yeah famous guy yeah for once the simpsons did something after yeah they stole yeah yeah yeah speaking of little children this is a good segue uh back into the world's fair uh uh version of this ride um so i i had some of the i was listening to some of the audio files um from this the box set about the world's fair that disney put out a number of years ago um yeah you sent us this file and there's a this is a box set you can hear so audio of yeah so uh there's this box set uh i think it's called like what disney and the world's fair it's great and there's a disc dedicated to every attraction i mean what you really want the main thing on each disc is

the source audio from each ride so it's source audio from carousel the full lincoln show um uh all of these different ones and i got this for my dad a few years ago because he had been at the world he went to the world's fair multiple times uh when he was a kid um and uh but the the intro to this attraction when it was in the illinois pavilion was a thing called the illinois story and it involved children reciting facts about illinois oh and it's very odd and it's just like you know uh uh agriculture commerce like all of this stuff and it's it's already creepy because it's little kids just reading like it's like founded in in 1645 like just saying this and then halfway through this they start talking in unison so it's just a group going like, home to science and innovation. The land of Lincoln.

But it's very odd. Why are children made to recite historical facts? That was my, when I graduated from elementary school, for some reason we all had to get on on like risers and tell the story of america and there were a lot of in unison parts like that where we all said the declaration of independence together that was our treat for graduating six years your longest school six years and we all had to read the tale of paul revere i don't why are these things tied together why are kids made to yeah it's very strange uh the the audio actually i did paul revere and i uh nailed it i was like that was like a solo i had and whatever this

american history piece was and i was i was real proud attend the tale of the wiener scott the the audiophile that you refer to that i sent you guys uh is uh outtakes of the recording of the lincoln uh attraction and it's it's dano reading the lines like you know and it's just like or die by suicide and then you hear the classic okay hey that know, and it's just like, or die by suicide. And then you hear the classic. Okay. Hey, that was great. Let's take it back in this time. Really believe in the words you're saying.

Like, it's so odd to hear the words of Abraham Lincoln get noted from a sound booth. Like, it's very funny. You know what it made me aware of is that the uh directions are given so precisely make sure that it's clear that you have no lack of confidence in the republic heading towards the future yeah all right great every note is given by some old you know some like warhorse guy behind the desk and i do i direct things and i do vo direction specifically and I'm sure if you heard audio of me doing that it'd be like oh that was a pretty uh uh cool uh just maybe um I don't know if would it be interesting possibly if you could maybe uh also like I was shamed by how succinct this

Lincoln director was and I'll strive to be like him in the future from now on you'll be like uh say that like you love our flag please those are the only I'm only giving patriotic notes from now on you'll be like uh say that like you love our flag please those are the only i'm only giving patriotic notes from now on imagine a soaring eagle while you do this one please good note actually yeah i'll give that uh i i the side note that there's others there's other versions of um or other versions there's other uh audio like outtakes like the haunted mansion you can find the outtakes of the narration, the Paul Freese narration, who also was the narrator on this ride. Narrator, yeah.

And it's wonderful to hear stuff that you know. It just doesn't feel like it exists. There shouldn't be other takes of it. It feels so, I don't know, like it was born from us. It was just there. It was always there. So hearing somebody fuck up or trying a different take or a different voice is very fun and weird but also everyone's a lot more composed

like you were saying scott so these outtakes usually aren't like you know anyone doing the voice of lincoln and then going fuck i thought i had it god damn it yeah the freeze one on the haunted mansion is a little more loose like that oh Oh, is it? It's a little more. I don't know if he says that, but I hope he does. God damn it. Yeah. Fuck me. You can hear that with Paul Thomas Anderson's dad, who was the voice of ABC, the Wonder

Years. And you can hear him. Fuck me. One more. Yes. God damn it. Give me another. He was the great Goularty.

Uh-huh. Yes. He was one of the early horror. He was a local horror show host. Where? Was it Pennsylvania? he started one more yes god damn it give me another he was the great goulardi uh-huh yes he was a local horror show host where uh was it pennsylvania somewhere in pennsylvania or something i was somewhere on the east coast for sure okay um but he was he knew tim conway the look up was he ernie anderson i believe if you look up ernie anderson outtakes and you want to hear a great dulcet voice say fuck me um in general it being paul freeze is fun because like i think i'd forgotten that and i don't go to this attraction very often and this preceded the haunted mansion but uh so this was done before his eventual role as the ghost host but you so

associate him with like ghoulishness and malice that when to hear him, it makes the entire attraction today seem sarcastic. Like, at one point he says, like, it was in New Salem that the young Lincoln worked as a clerk and postmaster. What are you getting at? Is that a lie? Did he not do it? Was he a bad clerk? What are you implying? Yeah, like, just here, and I don't even know if he says this, but in my mind, it's like

great moments with Mr. Lincoln. And you're like, ah, it's scary. It's a scary ride. It's just scary now. Like Leslie Nielsen, it's hard to back up and see Leslie Nielsen being a serious part. Unless he's doing a crazy, like he does the Ludwig von Drake voice, which is the scientist duck. Oh, yeah.

And he does one of the uh which tiki bird so like if he's doing a voice like that i think you get away with not sounding sinister yeah but yeah when he's doing his normal voice it really just like you really mr lincoln he was assassinated in 1865 are you glad is that good to you there it would have been better if thorough ravenscroft did the narration oh boy that's what i was yeah the the holy trinity and maybe i might be forgetting a big one but i was thinking about this paul freeze who's the ghost host thorough ravenscroft who's the the deep uh with eerie eyes grim grinning good and hans conreid who i forget what he is in the parks but he's captain hook and he's on a lot of things

with all those guys and these uh these old character actor weirdos i love them i love when they come up on these uh yes episodes because they're in everything these guys are such work horses uh another uh royal dano thing from that lincoln uh him reading Lincoln's self-autobiography portion, he talks about in it a thing that at the time was probably very common, people being self-taught, but now takes on a different meaning when he goes like, I decided to borrow some law books and taught myself the law. And it's like, like nowadays if someone describes themselves as

a self-taught lawyer you're like oh no this is a sovereign citizen or some other form of uh john bircher society maniac better call abe yeah better call abe would have been a real ambulance chaser if there were ambulances uh yeah that is very interesting this guy i don't think self-taught i mean that said we talked about the imagineers like teaching themselves how to build theme park pretty much inventing theme parks as they learned how to do it uh so you know not that long ago and people still are self-taught or jump between uh media but like disney himself had no right to be being able to draw doodles and steal other doodles from your friends doesn't imply that you'd be able to be a you know a opener a guy who builds massive real estate in

theme parks and perfects robot technology and tells stories and uh yeah hey it's the american spirit that is shared by abe and waltz and that's why their stories are intertwined a earnest thing to say but i felt like i had to say it weird or sarcastic because it's uh uh you know i'm insecure with how earnest this podcast is how would paul freeze say it though and add a little bit of a spin to it one of the great american innovators was he not uh disney or lincoln he was saying they were both disruptors it's yeah we have to reverse apply that term one of the great terms yeah a real disruptor what else oh uh okay so one thing that was different at the world's fair attraction was uh uh the illinois pavilion had uh you, because the world's fair, these giant worldwide events,

so they can get stuff. Like, the Illinois Pavilion had the handwritten manuscript of the Gettysburg Address. That did not make the jump to Disneyland. No, no, I don't think that's there. I haven't seen it. Wow. This is a crazy attraction. Yeah. attraction yeah uh when it opened at disneyland of course um uh uh lots of abraham lincoln and

also walt disney exhibits uh in the in the lobby that has pretty much never changed which is also true of the hall of presidents and of the american adventure there's all these this is a trilogy really of attractions walt is essentially a president in terms of the Disney mythology. The story the company tells. You think he would have run if he hadn't died in the 60s? Oh, God. Maybe it would have been Nixon versus Disney in 68. No, because they were buddies.

He would have run with them. Nixon would have been his running mate. Oh, there's something. Disney would have been. That's an Avengers lineup. No, I think Nixon would have rat-fucked him. Well, yeah, yeah. disney would have been avengers lineup no i think nixon would have rat fucked him well yeah yeah uh but i mean like this i think disney was a savvy enough businessman to know to not explicitly even

though he was hanging with nixon not to say exactly where he fell on the political spectrum for his business he didn't really put it out there so thoroughly we know he's probably more conservative yeah yeah but unlike a bob eiger who uh wants to be a centrist democrat he wants to run as a centrist democrat um and he's been very explicit about that except he keeps re-upping his contract every he's gonna say like he'll say he's done and then he goes oh two more years for me oh i see and he's not running in 2020 it wouldn't seem right he can't do that but he was he was going oprah wants him to do it so but he so he's taking it's a different approach is what i'm saying then why why would he want to stay on for 400 million dollars when he could get 400 000 as president it's strange and criticized by everyone roundly

at all times and yeah potentially shot at or assassinated but he's being we're currently we're recording this in a weekend where he's been robert eiger specifically has been been criticized by bernie sanders yes as part of this getting his ass roasted for disney's poor uh labor treatment which yeah i don't know we're not like obligated to talk about but i've thought about how we haven't no i'm not like i think we have we've talked about how like touched upon it yeah we haven't here's what i voted a whole episode to uh labor theories but uh i just think you know i feel like we should make clear though we like these parks we don't like that i think we have said yeah we said pay them more money here's what i want entirely unethical to like keep charging

more for tickets and hotels and everything else and not share that with the workers who do the brunt of the labor i will like like these and i this truly i'm saying this with the most love i can possibly muster these these wonderful nerds that run this park and are responsible for the day-to-day operations, truly are the backbone of this whole thing that we love. And these people deserve more money for it. It is a hard job in a lot of cases. They have to deal with a lot of people that are angry and yelling at them. There's so many people that come through.

The crowds are insane. And maintain a level of friendliness. Yes. And be an ambassador of Disney magic magic a very hard thing to do uh we had jenny nicholson on she was like so clearly a like it's in her it was in her dna to do that she doesn't do it anymore but like did you ever get mad or flip out at anybody and the answer is no right but she and jenny was not like a you know robotic weird made in a lab disney person she just like genuinely believes

in it was probably very good at uh at all these people are very are very valuable and it's uh yes it's amazing that they're they can keep that up and on top of just being you know nice and help helpful and stuff they love it they give a shit about all of it so much most of them at least a majority um and it would be nice if they would show them you know basic decency by giving them an amount of money that would let them live comfortably in anaheim yeah that's the other thing it's like it's not cheap to live in california i mean no you can't live here uh uh you just have to make sacrifices to live here pretty much. Unless you have a lot of money. I mean,

Orange County wouldn't be, well, obviously Orange County has is very ritzy areas, but like there's, you know, like you go around Anaheim and there's some, like there's apartment complexes that are so lame looking. You like make fun of them.

And then like, who would live here ever? Oh, people who have no choice and work really hard to a 50 year disney veteran lives in this apartment with three others yeah and someone someone pointed out like online well you know anytime this comes up in any industry it's like well if they're not making enough money they should find a new job which first off fuck you grow a heart like second yeah there's a lot of people on twitter that are like well they should just leave then it's like shut the fuck up one of those other jobs that are so easy to come by yeah oh love to get uh uh love to get scolded by uh uh cranky uh baby boomers who had a million more like uh uh safety net that we had pensions and like uh yeah sure lots of vacation and all this stuff as we live in the gig economy hell um but

really enjoying doing the pod and yeah well you also like uh what you're describing the uh the people who believe in the mythology of the park and these attractions so hard, never will you find that type more than in the trilogy of patriotic attractions. Oh, sure. if you go see the great moments show or american adventure i think you talked about this uh on that episode they do these verbal presentations that are like you're so carefully manicured and full of love and enthusiasm uh uh you know it's not just like press and play on the robot show please enjoy grandmas and mr lincoln like they specifically these positions people are like these docents and uh and they do a good job and they're great and they deserve uh the same more money uh the same uh money and benefits that an in and out burger employee gets like how about that that's a good company that's a like a pretty decent company as far as they're like

their starting wage and their benefits and yep uh but one thing specific to the parks i saw someone point out when that like get it well maybe they should find a new job someone pointed out like yeah often they do and uh uh cast member turnover like can hurt the experience because you have less and less experienced people sticking around who uh and more like newer and newer people who great i mean you always need to refresh uh your employee base but like you know someone's got to you know show the new kids how it's done you know and if you don't know how to pilot those canoes they could sink if you don't know how to pilot the Main Street ambulance, it could go off of Main Street and into the Emporium and run over 20 people.

And even just those little extra touches that Disney is famous, when someone goes out of your way, like, oh, we don't have this item here, let me call another store, and that sort of thing. Yeah, we did that the other day. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that doesn't seem very specific. specific 30 minute a 30 minute journey from somebody trying to call different stores and like they're at a different kiosk and i was like you don't have to do this and i'm like yeah yeah it's

okay and they're like waiting on hold what were you after uh it was uh i had to make a bulk purchase that we'll talk about on a different show oh yes those have been alluded to on social although this may come out after that so i may have to edit this don't know well if you're not hearing it then it's it didn't happen you're one of us uh okay so uh well we've been on a labor yeah we could go on one hey i think it was you started it's gotten we're ready to go yeah yeah yeah i mean you can't always be factoring in inflation i mean like disney the disney pricing and stuff has outpaced inflation so much and wages across the border stagnant or like very slowly rising but like disney certainly isn't leading the way yeah if i'm paying this much for the annual pass i would like to think that the workers are getting

paid a little more. That would be nice. Because it's gone up about 500% in the last five years. Yeah, and as I am not a Disney shareholder, I don't give a shit about Disney shareholders. Sure. Oh, I am one, though. I'm sorry, Jason. Oh, no.

Do you have a single one? Do you have a single souvenir one? No, just just my my dad i'm like a pretty good grandfathered into it oh okay um that was apparently give a shit about you i guess now i know i've been hiding in plain sight this whole time all right uh this was it used to be a very common thing people would give like a share to newborns and then also you would get the the shareholder reports used to be a very common thing people would give like a share to newborns and then also you would get the the shareholder reports used to be nice souvenirs i'll tell you this you know i like that my family is also shareholders oh okay but my mom refuses to vote in the elections my mom won't vote i told her uh and like for years States elections no no no she yeah yeah

she votes in those Disney shareholders the Disney shareholders she doesn't want to offend anyone though because she thinks that then like a CEO will see that she

voted against them and that they'll be mad at her and that so she would not she would never because I would try to tell her what to do and she just wouldn't

she would not vote well that's why I don't vote in national elections because you don't want to make the candidates mad yeah i just want everyone to have a nice time trump might have a list of everyone who didn't vote for that is true trump and nixon as well probably did have got me the ledger of all the people yeah yeah he probably if he's criticized on twitter if you've been blocked he might have like looked you up yeah i, I think that's probably right. That's what I thought.

Hey, this is a good... Nixon is a good jumping off point. So, as we said, this ride opened at the World's Fair, then opened simultaneously in 65, opened at Disneyland, where it ran until 1972. Also, funny note, sponsored by Lincoln Savings and Loan Association. Fun. Very cute.

Never required an A through E ticket. Walt wanted this, wanted everyone to see this because it was important historically. So it was free. You could just walk over to Disney and go on this show and enjoy it and then leave. So like Scott, for instance, in the old days

could go down he'd probably have to smuggle white wine in and they drink it aaron you and aaron would drink it in the car would have had to know a uh we would have we would have paid for club 33 just for right just for wine cheaper yeah and then you'd go on lincoln and then you go home yeah you know it's a thing with no line they see although we do it do it. We certainly do not do it these days. Do you guys go on this attraction? It's a once a year for me. Once a year.

I believe. There are a couple attractions around the park that's once a year. Jason is smiling from ear to ear. I think he's about to tell us that he goes on it very frequently. Every time. I do pretty regularly. Do you really? How?

Well, sometimes you hit that point in the day where the wait time for everything else is just it's just it's just like a stalemate like oh even pirates is too low the point where i leave the park that's what i haven't gone on this with you have i or have i do you i don't really recall us going on this jason Jason needs to be alone. I've gone a lot. Well, because I had never. From Rose Center, Jason. It's an emotional experience. Apparently, Walt would tear up when he watched this. And Lily and his wife would have to cover for him.

And like, oh, he had something in his eye. And is that your situation as well, Jason? No. Well, I mean, especially when it's hot. It's air conditioned. Oh, you take a nap. You're crying because it's so hot. I just, I like the animatronic.

I like. Do you bring a treat in with you? I don't think you can. I don't. I think they say you have to finish that before you go. It's sorry. You're tearing up right now. You have to finish that Jersey Mike's and also where did you get it from?

You hid it in a locker several days in advance there's there's some very odd portions of it in the current well so the thing i was getting to earlier about nixon uh uh i'll talk more when we get to the current version about why i like it um but uh nixon probably among the people uh uh came from orange county republicans um and they i believe were some among the people, came from Orange County Republicans. And they, I believe, were some of the people not very happy in 1973 when Disney opened the Walt Disney Story in place of Great Adventures with Mr. Lincoln. Oh. Was it Great Adventures?

What did you say? Great Moments. Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. It's not a great adventure that's for sure i mean that's abraham lincoln vampire hunter if you want that's true great adventure greatest american adventure there is so this lasted uh two years wait nixon was mad no no i'm just saying i think orange county republicans were mad because they just got rid of this Lincoln attraction for a Walt Disney attraction.

And the rap was, it is a dishonor to Walt Disney's legacy to take out Lincoln and put in a thing about Walt Disney's legacy. Yes. Very confusingly, people felt that it was more of a tribute to Walt to keep Lincoln in there. Yes. people felt that it was more of a more of a tribute to walt to keep lincoln in there yes so they eventually sort of combined them in this odd way right i think like yes like they played the walt disney story in the lobby and then it had like a tortured title that was the walt disney story featuring great moments of mr lincoln um i think they would play it partly during the show too though and then

lincoln would appear oh like so the main theater is still playing a walt disney movie it was like half and half i believe huh um none of us are interested enough to know officially that's where our research sometimes lags is when you're bored by the information, so you don't keep looking at it. Well, also, like, this two-year-old attraction that people really didn't like, like, is not exactly archived that well. Nobody took an old Bolex camera and filmed a film off of a screen. Film was 23 minutes long, says here, stitched together, archival film and audio footage, blah, blah, blah. Similar version was in the Magic Kingdom.

Where was that? The Magic Kingdom. From 1973 to 1992. There was a Walt Disney story. There was a Walt Disney story. In Disney World? Magic Kingdom. Yeah.

Hmm. I'm trying to, I'm sure I saw it. Does this episode cover us on that, or are we going to have to talk about that in some other horrible episode down the line we're gonna do magic kingdom specific walt disney story walt disney auto bio stuff in one episode one man's dream and uh we can talk about how um my i owned a couple walt disney biographies as a kid if you can imagine that yeah and my dad gave me one one time and the uh he just

like it's a book about walt here you go happy birthday and then uh he didn't look at it too carefully because the book was called hollywood's dark prince and it was a picture of walt but then his shadow was like like weird and scary and grotesque he was like like his shadow showed the true devil that was walt and i read this whole to tie it all together it was like largely about his union and labor issues and the strikes that he crushed and uh communism and i was d i was like 200 pages into this book before my mom figured it out and was like maybe you shouldn't be reading that but i was like no mommy please i must finish hollywood's dark prince it was a good book credit where it's due i think hold on one second edwin laid on my mic cord oh yeah there we go um credit where it's due the disney family museum uh uh that his daughter uh was you know that that is up in san francisco

that the family was involved in making does not gloss over the strike stuff okay it's like a pretty big chunk about like yeah they strike unlike the moments of mr lincoln that glossed over the foot fetish yeah during uh i think during halloween they should rename the walt disney story uh the dark prince story featuring great moments with mr lincoln oh yeah what a when in a time when you celebrate villains let's uh talk about the villainy of uh walt yeah i this well this is a you know when i wanted to talk about the labor stuff for a second i think i'm like i want to convey that we aren't so rosy cheeks and bushy eye or whatever adjective that we will not though we are very sincere in our love of the

parks sure and i don't i never wanted this to be a podcast that's about how walt was secretly you know yeah he hated the jews and like all that which i always find like uh is that based in fact or we just is it all urban legend and what are we i never wanted to be like an ant this to be a uh so dark of a podcast, but I don't want to ignore that stuff either. I agree. We've got a realist take on all of these things. Well, I think we also would agree that the Imagineers

should probably be paid more too. Sure. These are the real heroes. They're real heroes. It's not the Disney Corporation. Yeah, not so. But again, the wonderful nerds in all levels of the, uh these are the real heroes they're really not the disney corporation yeah not so but then again the wonderful nerds in all levels of the of uh or whatever the hierarchy of all this stuff i don't

know what they're paid but it should be more let's bring them on we love them we love what they do and ask how much they're paid let's just ask him to show pay stubs it'll be like a howard stern interview how much you how much you make doing something like that which imagineers you want to ban um uh uh anyway hey back to lincoln facts um there was also uh there was like a couple other little exhibits in this in this zone there was like a i think you could you could look at walt's office for a long time is that still the case that is in uh well they've restored his office on the lot and then uh uh the last time i was in florida there was a recreation of it yeah but there's one man's dream in that same exhibit in hollywood but there's not one up in in anaheim okay i think there was at one point and there's also this little thing do we guys ever

there when there was a uh there's this little show that was kind of well done that you would watch with four other people. Nobody ever sat and watched this. That was, it was like, it was an owl with a, with the graduation, is it a mortar board? I saw a picture of this and I got very excited, but it was before my time going to Disneyland. This might've been like pre-2000.

Yeah. There's this little show in the corner of the lobby where you wait for the Mr. Lincoln attraction. And there's a, yeah, it's like a owl with a chalkboard. It's the owl. And he tells you about the true life adventures, the nature movies that Walt made in the 50s and 60s and how he and his interest in and love for animals.

It's the owl from the old like music shorts. Oh yeah. And the Disney sing-alongs. Who opened the sing-alongs. They would repurpose that footage the sing disney sing-alongs they would repurpose that footage to do those disney sing-alongs yes um yeah that's why i got so excited i was like holy crap it's the owl yeah i don't know what his character's name is but you would have loved it because as uh as a chucky cheese fan this was seeing an animatronic uh that played to audiences of no one quietly in a corner wow wasted. Wasted animatronics are a wonderful thing.

That's crazy. I didn't, that was news to me when I was looking this up, that that existed. That they ever had one of those albums. Yeah. Well, it was fascinating to see, and then he presses play on a video, and then I stopped watching the video. But the first two minutes of the video of the video that I watched were fascinating. Maybe I have not been less engaged in the

source material of a topic before i never i don't know what you guys did i don't think i watched a full lincoln speech i don't think i don't really know a lot about how the versions were different um i i know that it got shorter every time like The World's Fair one was very long, got a little shorter when it came to Disney, and then it got a little shorter again in the 70s. Everything gets a little shorter. All these shows over the years, I think, have gotten a little shorter.

Which is fine by me, but a problem for you, Jason? Well, no. Jason cannot get to REM if the show is in a certain length minutes isn't enough time to fall all the way asleep they they've made they've certainly made some edits i mean the speeches are uh uh now edwin is getting uh fidgety um they they've certainly made some edits over the years i mean the dialogue of the the royal dano uh section the actual animatronic is kind of a hodgepodge of speeches like it's not one speech all the way through yeah uh i think that happened at one point um well i want to get to that because i know scott you're excited about that version oh yeah real quick in

um the 80s uh so in 1975 lincoln comes back uh at disneyland um and in 1984 they added in the uh golden dream and two brothers from the american adventure in f cod these songs rearing their heads on this podcast again yeah uh again i would like to yeah i would like to talk about how occasionally i like to just yell like one war blow and one war gray like just out of nowhere i think it's a very funny bit to do on a date where do you do it yeah sure let's go to that um just anywhere just anywhere um and golden dream i think used to be in the show somewhere now it just kind of plays when you're leaving out oh it plays in the lobby really i think it's after the show after the show like when the lights come up and you're leaving when was the last time you saw the show um i think i went in

2014 i'm on a once every four years with lincoln see it's been a while although you know the most recent time you have been in the theater oh yeah this was when scott and i watched when our respective our significant others uh watched the oscars yeah there was a special annual pass holder event yeah um where yeah we watched the live telecast of the oscars um this end what ended up being the the the kimmel yes uh wrong envelope uh snafu year although we had long vacated for our blue bayou reservation by the time all that happened but But yeah, we got to watch the Oscar opening with Justin Timberlake and Kimmel's monologue with an audience. Like second row.

With a screen blocking what you know has a Lincoln animatronic behind it. It was Hollywood's biggest night. You got to see projected on a screen in front of like a sleeping Lincoln animatronic. Yeah. It would have been nice if they opened the curtain once in a while you can see him yeah but they didn't the brightest stars in hollywood sky are out tonight but the real brightest star is right here and he was our 16th president and he rips through the screen who cares about this all this fluff um let's talk about fortitude and having a pride in your bosom

um that was a blast and there was a trivia contest yes and i i won one no it wasn't a trivia contest it was a raffle yeah and they had to keep skipping past all the empty seats so eventually once the seat was reached with a person in it i was that person and i got a copy of the guardians two cartoon guardians tape yeah cartoon soundtrack which is i believe still in its original packaging in a closet somewhere and a palette of bulk uh perry the platypuses uh that have not been sold you get to take these off our hands um that was a lot of fun and that you know i i pre-thinking about what else do you do with the space uh you know i leave lincoln in there certainly but more more events more award

screenings and stuff yeah let's do football games let's do the miss america pageant i want to watch everything in modern new modern family episodes screened in live as they air to watch it with a laugh track i i was there i happened to be there once i think it was when family was visiting we were staying down there and it was an ap event in there and they were showing um old documentary they showed like um either the disney world story or they showed like one of the wonderful world of disney like documentaries in there just for aps and you got a button so so so uh while we certain things about disneyland we're not thrilled about the ap program is yeah not one of them that's not on our shit list you get a but honestly it is kind of on my shit list i feel like they've dialed back

on they've dialed way back on events we used to get crazy perks you would go down and if you signed up or i have on my twitter an alert that sends me a message that says if there's an ap thing you can sign up for there used to be wonderful events that would be like closed off i think they did one like a year ago and i was too too slow getting it it was for cars land and then it was it would just be aps after dark you get two hours with just a small group of people they used to do that stuff all the time they would do previews for new rides not anymore everything sucks now because of how many people are there. Yeah. So, yeah, we do. And as protest, you're only going to go one and a half times a week on average. And I only pay $300 to get into Star Wars land.

I will not pay five. I swear. I have a limit. I am a disciplined man. I will only slip some bribes to the people controlling the line for Star Wars Galaxy's Edge. Scott, I started to tee this up. Now, eventually, the Walt Disney story with great moments featuring Mr. Lincoln. That's Mr. Lincoln, not Abraham or President Lincoln. It was never Abraham in the title.

Yeah. But eventually, you got a refurb. Yeah. In the, what was it, 2000? 2001 is what I'm seeing. At which point, well, you're talking about the Walt Disney story featuring great moments with Mr. Lincoln, The Journey to Gettysburg? Colon.

Colon. The Journey to Gettysburg, yes. I saw a sign that had even more. The sign was, the Disneyland Opera House presents the Walt Disney Story featuring great moments of Mr. Lincoln, The Journey to Gettysburg. Incredible. Boy, there's a lot of convoluted names out there. Yeah.

This puts Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout to shame. Yeah, I was going to say, people that were complaining about that, Jesus, this was double the size. It's important to know that the disneyland opera house presents it i mean what because how do i they might be presenting something else yeah how would you know it could be the oscars or uh um do you know do anybody know what the opera house was before lincoln in general i don't i didn't know this because i was like was that building there or did they build it because it was always there but it was kind of nothing. It was, I think, just a facade.

And then they put in Babes in Toyland sets for four years. Oh, wow. So that's what was there from 61 to 65. And then for Disneyland's 10th birthday, Mr. Lincoln evicted the toys. Wow. I didn't know that. Whoa. Yeah.

Sorry, kids. It's time to learn. Babes in Toyland is a horrifying movie. Yeah. Yeah. Not horrifying, but it's very weird and not great. Yeah. But it gave us those soldiers who factor into so many parades.

Yeah, the soldiers are cool. Around Christmas time. And there's a great Ed Wynn performance in it. Not Ed Wynn, your dog. Not Ed Wynn, the dog, but Ed Wynn. That is why your dog is edwin though you said yeah basically he's sort of named after edwin oh man have we talked about how i'm a keenan win guy no i don't think so edwin's son keenan who is an old grouch who's

an old like old curly mustached weirdo who's a villain and a lot of old disney's and like the shaggy da and the love bug i'll get that love bug he's just this old sour cranky i like him as much as thorough or any of them wow love keen and win uh he intrigued he's responsible for one of my favorite scenes ever which is in the movie super train where he's the billionaire who presents the idea of a super train. Gentlemen, we must build Super Train! And then kick into hard disco and shots of a high-tech train. Great scene. Love Keenan Wynn. We've got to do a bunch of Wynn episodes, I think.

Yeah, let's just go through the filmography. Not Steve Wynn, though. No, that's a bad Wynn. That ship has sailed. But like the Danos, it's multiple families. Right, they're not related. But anyway, great moments with Mr. Lincoln, the journey to Gettysburg. This was a very bizarre attempt to revitalize this attraction

because a complaint you might have to this day is that it's a little dull it's a little dry and they decided to bring in some technology that was a smash hit at the show sounds dangerous with drew carey in florida which is a show that is a uh where drew carey is a private eye, and then the lights go out, and you experience his adventure with headphones, and the audio is so precise. It's actually the same as Alien Encounter, where the audio is so precise that you feel like these sensations are actually happening to you, such as liquid being poured right next to your ears,

as often happens. happens well and getting a haircut right getting that haircut happens in this you're and this is binaural audio binaural sound you were the there you were given these fancy headphones yeah so disgusting reused throughout the day headphones yeah 3d glasses are one thing they clean them now too most of these places as you and i know because we went backstage to see it oh that's right we were given an odd tour of the despicable me years ago we were at universal studios and employees came and said hey do you want to get a tour of the backstage and then go right to the front of the line and we were like what are you talking about who are you and we're like you don't want the tour and we're like why are you giving us this tour and this sounds like i'm

doing a bit this is literally what happened and there we were like i guess so but like do we have to is there like a price do we have to pay for it no it's just come with us they were like such kind of sedate girls and we're like oh okay i guess but why is this happening they're like come on we're going on the tour this is the This is the happy fun land. This is where Gru goes to his daughters. They're like, you don't want the tour? And we're like, what are we touring? And then they're like, just come.

And we're like, all right. And we were like laughing. Like, why is this happening? And they were laughing too. And they don't have an answer for it. And we just like saw where they washed the glasses. So this is where I washed the glasses. Okay, why are you showing us this?

Ha ha, okay. I never understood any of that. And you know what's funny is that we were with, we happened to be with the hallowed bug main. Yes. I'm not familiar with this entity. Oh, really? Yeah, bug main.

Well, he's a villain who haunts podcasts. Oh. And the internet at large. he's a twisted man and he with this is we were at universal studios within a month of a man oh yeah blowing his brains out at the despicable me area um i forget the whole it was some like ongoing dispute with he had been dating an employee and he committed suicide next to the despicable me fun land. And which caused when we were so confused, why are we getting this despicable me tour? And bug asked,

is this cause of the thing? A reasonable question. Is it some strange, like, do they have to like go overboard to show that this area is thriving there's no ghost here yes they were showing us there were no ghosts in the glasses cleaning i guess stations we never yeah we never got a good answer they didn't answer that they didn't answer anything i also remember that we were led into a room where we all just started

dancing too happy that's the end of the ride oh okay out there anyway oh okay well they they did it in the opposite way and we were there and we were dancing for a while sort of without questioning it okay we're dancing and then bug was like can we stop and they said yeah well they were they were surprised like we felt like we had an obligation to dance in the happy room yeah and we didn't apparently and they were like no you don't have to keep dancing so for whatever reason we felt like we had to perform for these people well wait if somebody comes up to us and is bossing us around and leading us with a clipboard or something where we better do everything they say let me ask were these people flirting with you i don't think so i mean this guy was

with his wife i don't know okay hey it doesn't mean anything. That's a good point. All bets are off with these despicable me maidens. They did not seem interested in us. They didn't seem like they really wanted to be doing what- It seemed like they had to randomly give people, every 20 people, they had to give a tour to or like once an hour. The minions have their own morality. Sure. They have their own laws and rules.

Hey, look, they didn't have to ask- Do they claim mates are their husbands and wives within minion world or is it just is it like a question is it like wild wild country are they all do the minions all have sex parties probably the second one probably that yeah hey look they didn't have to ask me to captain the mark twain many years ago but i still you know i think it's just so it's those little perks we were talking that little extra to do that i thought you went up to the captain and we're like please it's my birthday i'm 30 years old let me drive the boat i thought that's what it was anyway i guess not uh so the journey to get his birthday it's been as long as the journey to talk about how i i went on the drew carey uh experience when i

was young congrats you're lucky enough i did not go on this binaural sound version of great moments um what were the were they i'm trying to remember were they full headphones um they weren't i don't think as they weren't thick they were they were a little thicker than, it wasn't earbuds. Right. But it was not as, you're monitoring the audio and your headphones are smaller than this. It was smaller than your whole ear.

Maybe they were though. I don't quite recall. I kind of have a feeling, I kind of have a memory that they were. At least it's a Drew Carey thing. Okay. That it was like cushioning.

I don't remember if you came in with them. Jason yawning during the Lincoln episode. I, yeah. Just talking about Lincoln is making him remember yawning during the Lincoln episode. I... Yeah. Just talking about Lincoln is making him remember the naps he's taken in the ride. Yeah.

We're scoring seven naps ago. So, this version of the ride... I mean, look, every ride from... Every new ride from 1990 to 2008 involved you getting your haircut. They had to use this haircut thing

because it does really work. You feel like there are scissors snipping right at your ears. You know? A fun feeling. That there are scissors so close inside your ears. Why would you want this? And they make jokes about having cut

people before don't worry don't worry i won't cut you i've cut a lot of people their hair of course yeah we now this one i did listen to and maybe i in a way i do like this more than just the dry lincoln speech because it's so bizarre so the premise that they lay out like the lights go out and now you are taking on the role of private cunningham you've fought in the war and now you're going to get you're going to meet lincoln i don't know if you're saying you know you're going to meet lincoln or if it's uh it just happens to happen by accident by accident you do meet frederick douglas so uh audio but also then just he's

talking they can't simulate hey this is frederick douglas he's talking. They can't simulate, hey, this is Frederick Douglass. He's going to put his finger in your ear. There's no way to, the audio doesn't enhance that in any way. Like Frederick Douglass doesn't like mush your hair up or anything. Yeah, there you go, good boy. Old guy. His hair would be fun to mush. He had like big weird hair.

Yeah, Matthew Brady also in this. You meet the civil war photographer when you get your hair cut so that you can get a photo taken by civil war photographer matthew brady i'm gonna keep talking i'm gonna go get you guys keep talking i'm gonna go get a couple of pairs of scissors and i'm gonna try to recreate this okay live uh asmr experiment live on the podcast i like this okay so what can we uh explain you yeah so then uh also uh the they say after you get your picture taken they say oh are you mating mr you're meeting president lincoln i'm heading to the white house too let's go together yeah

so you hitch a ride with some guy uh and then... Oh, he literally says... Oh, there's a fly at one point. A fly buzzes around your ear. Which, all right, I'll give you that. It was a weird, dirty, smelly time in the 1800s. There were flies everywhere, I assume. Their line is literally said, So, Private Cunningham, are you ready to meet Abraham Lincoln? Boy, oh, the writing of this.

Yeah. Are you ready for this experiment? You have scissors now, Mike. Well, you guys can finish recapping, and then I will. And then we'll run an experiment. Do you have a fly you can make go inside the listener's ears? I can do a Michael Winslow-style presentation of a fly. Can we make just this episode binaural?

This episode is officially binaural? This episode is officially Binaural Hey, the first binaural podcast The Ride I'll just say my name And in editing this should be Shifting back and forth rapidly In a Doppler way between your ears

And if it isn't then Mike Fucked up the editing Hi, I'm Scott Nerd editing was that pretty crazy do you feel like you were inside a washing machine or something you know what we should do uh let's do we'll do a quick like uh quick improv as they call it sure you're gonna meet jason sheridan all right so you're okay let's figure out a scenario here that you would be going to meet Jason at. What if you're trying to petition me to make it so that white union soldiers and black union soldiers get the same pay? So it's still the Civil War. It's the same scenario, but you're the president or you're just around?

Yeah. I think it's better if you're like in an ice cream parlor. All right. So we're at the drive-thru. you pick the parlor yeah sure uh we're at one of my favorite la spots uh uh that i i try not to go to a lot lest it becomes less special the drive-thru baskin robbins that is also a regional training center uh oh yes nearby burbank oh yeah right here in burbank what does the training center do to make it different uh i don't know well it's just like an office building that looks like it has like a baskin robbins glued to it uh that also has a drive-thru okay drive-thru is the

real thing star of the show for this case are you eating inside you're inside all right that's good okay which mike and i discovered recently pretty nice Yes, it has to be pretty nice. Now, is it me? Because really in the show, the audience would be. Well, I think it's the audience. So we have to come up with a name now that the audience is going to assume. So they're, you know, like Private Cunningham, for instance, a different name. And we're all sort of assuming this character. Yeah, so maybe, but it has to be a non-gender specific.

So let's say that the listener is a doctor. Great. So you're Dr. the listener is a doctor. Great. So you're Dr. Reynolds. Dr. Reynolds, all right. And you're going to meet Jason Sheridan. But of course, you're in the parking lot now, and a barber comes up to you. Excuse me, Dr. Reynolds.

And Scott, you'll be Dr. Reynolds. Oh, wait, but I thought the listener is Dr. Reynolds. All right, I'm getting confused. You just have to direct it to the audience entirely. We could both be. We're two barbers. We're both barbers. Okay, great.

Excuse me, Dr. Reynolds. Before you go inside this Baskin-Robbins training center, I think it's very important that I cut your hair in the parking lot. Yes, and me as well. You need to look your best. After all, you're meeting Jason Sheridan himself. Yes. The president of ice cream eating yes uh and so i think we're gonna both be working on you at the same time uh so just a little bit of a trim you'll you won't regret it you'll look smashing in that photograph and you'll show your grandchildren yes and uh i want you we're very

good at cutting hair you know we've we've never uh injured a man seriously haha just a bit of a joke there uh seriously we're very safe yes so uh of course you have such such large hair here uh we're just gonna take a little while uh here we go almost there just a little bit more off the side i know we're focusing almost only on the sideburns, but they were incredibly long, almost down to your waist, as you know. This is the style that Jason prefers when he meets a stranger.

Clean cut. He's very specific. All right, hold on. And one last snip there. Let me just pour a quick cup of coffee. Ah, yes. You'll need your energy. Okay, here you go.

Oh, no. Would someone get that horse fly out of here? All right, are you all set? Are you ready to meet Mr. Sheridan? It seems as though you are. Ah, good. Right this way. Clop, clop, clop, cluck, cluck, cluck.

Ah, Dr. Reynolds! Welcome to ice cream. And that's it, I guess. I mean, that's the experience. Wait a minute, doctor. Don't you want to eat ice cream next to Jason and hear what it's like when he eats ice cream? Look, I've been

coming here a long time, and I'm telling these people they have to use more fudge. There's just not enough fudge for my taste. Hold on. Some of the fudge has hardened, and I need to cut it. It's my fudge scissors. They keep on

me at all times. America, America, spend your gold it's my fudge scissors i keep on me at all times america and this is an accurate new fangled simulation of binaural great moments of mr lincoln presents i hope you enjoyed this the podcast the ride presents great moments with Jason Sheridan at a Baskin Robbins training parlor. Presented by the podcast the ride historical society. Yes. Elevating culture since 1872. Sponsored by scissors. We should have also said before all that to either close your eyes or shut off all the lights

whether you are in a car or on a jog you should have for full effect you should have listened to that in pure darkness yes uh so go back and do it again and do all the experience of the way it was meant to be well that was good i think we really illustrated what was so successful about it. We really illustrated. Great moments of Mr. Liggett. This is another issue. We're missing a big part of this, and that is that you get in a battle and you lose a leg. Oh, that's right.

We should have had a moment where an ice cream machine, a freezing machine, a freezer goes haywire. And starts yelling, yee-haw, yee-haw. a freezing machine a freezer goes haywire and you get you get amputated by the ice cream machine so after you get the joy of meeting frederick douglas and then meeting mr lincoln there's a there's a great little stiff exchange that's like uh oh he's getting a haircut as well and it's like you'll look well you're going to look very natural mr lincoln why that's exactly what i'd like to avoid oh boy just clever politeness um but douglas and lincoln are arguing about pay disputes about union soldiers uh we were talking about pay earlier i see well you in this scenario you were probably talking about union disputes with the baskin robbins employees yes in between i was

trying to unionize the baskin robbins employees yeah a valuable uh effort uh and the training center is really the place to do it that's ground zero yeah uh but anyway you meet the president and then you get and then you're immediately back in the war and you get amputee you get a leg amputee you get a leg blown off you like it seems like somebody's just saying your name private cunningham private cunningham and then you wake up and you're in the hospital and the doctors did everything they could but they had to cut your leg off and then lincoln comes in but there's no there's no like sound of like while they're cutting your leg off no no all right just a quick snip uh here hold your leg up towards your ear please make it easier for me to trim it off.

And then Lincoln arrives to see the wounded. So not only do you meet Lincoln once, you meet him twice. And he tells you, you have to live, son. He gets right up in your ear. This is ASMR. Yeah. You must live, boy. You must

live. Which is then followed by the narration of private cunningham followed the president's order and lived he would not have if um this was a different time this was before the president would go visit victims and call the people who shot them wacky and goofs and nut nuts and whatever with paper towel rolls and oh yeah throwing there you go throwing paper towels so after many years of dry speeches and choruses of children talking about illinois suddenly we end up with a little headphone role play the same that previously had been used to

make an alien growl on your neck and now it's the president you're getting a haircut to meet the president this was so strange this is one of the strangest things ever in the disney this is a forcing this is the forcing technology they had onto this it makes more sense for the other applications a little more sense why didn't you get to try on lincoln's hat that would have been perfect a little bit of hair russell the famous stove pipe is lower and like you look why i think you look better than me not that that's difficult to do uh sure that uh also this ends with the entirety of the Gettysburg Address. Oh, yeah. The animatronic does a full speech. And what I don't remember is, obviously the Gettysburg Address is iconic, but I feel like

I maybe caught the criticism that it was less interesting in a way of a full speech than this great moments where it's stitching together. It's all the hits. The great moments. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah. it's like a medley um uh your favorite thing in a concert when a band plays a medley right just the choruses or something um that's weird that that happens i don't like a medley i i except for when prince did that sampler set that was kind of cool but also a real cock tease also

he's just plowing through it's a bummer we know we're but also a real cock tease also he's just plowing through it's a bummer we know we're not going to hear the whole song he's just playing the beginning of when does cry and he shuts it off and then he would play like the first like five seconds of darling nicky and then he would be like i saw the roots play once and it was an hour long medley really at least it was the whole thing was their medley. Was it their songs or something else? It was their songs. I feel like you're pro-medley to get done with this quicker. I don't know. I was just more like, oh, this is one long jam. Like, I didn't really know them that well at the time.

That doesn't sound too bad. That doesn't sound as corny as the Beach Boys doing a medley of all the car songs. Oh, no. Yeah yeah no um who else does medleys i'm trying to remember i mean lincoln does medleys lincoln met lincoln beach boys prince like that's it basically all the greats the greats the great performers of our time um but so uh this was very strange it was very odd and uh and people are seemingly not satisfied with the gettysburg yeah and then what replaced it was a 50th anniversary movie starring steve martin and donald duck yeah no did you ever watch that yes i did was that is that was that any good i

don't think i ever did the whole thing i still play it in the lobby i've watched in the lobby i don't think i saw it when it was actually in the main theater. Because it started in what, 2005? I didn't see it on the big screen. For the 50th anniversary. I saw it. That would have been when I first started going to Disneyland in 2006. I would have.

I remember seeing this. I must have missed it when I went. Because the first time I went in 2007, I think. So, I must have missed it. Yeah. For some reason. I didn't feel like i needed to go watch a movie for i thought it was nice sure it was very pleasant it was your air

conditioned theater yeah i i like a nice little movie break or a little show break you know what i like about this and lincoln is that they would run continuously i don't like a show with like a set start time wait what do you mean? As much. I can't box you in. If you go to Universal Studios, and the animal show is going to be at 11 and 12.30. Okay, I take it back, because I do like the animal actor show.

But I like a show that you can just squeeze in wherever, because you know, oh, every 15, 20 minutes. It's easier to do if it's robots. You're just saying it runs more, basically. Yeah, it runs continuously. I don't know what it says on there but it'll run like 50 continuously for no one and i think maybe we should talk about the greater issue with this which is uh i i would say at this point it's not a real priority to like replace this or do something better but there was a moment where they were going to evict lincoln

for muppet vision 3d yes and there was a lot of people were i remember newspaper articles growing up here i remember people being upset about that and i even saw a quote that is so wienery that it sounds like something child scott would have said uh which a 12 year old uh was quoted as saying lincoln was president kermit is a frog and that's why you can't put the fun muppet show into the theater did he wait frog or fraud not a fraud uh no this child uh didn't think that uh kormat didn't earn his entertainment success did you just call him cormet did i say cormet i'm pretty sure you probably force of habit i do something called tiny puppets which is a portuguese ripoff of muppet babies did i say cormet every time no no the last

time i think you should call them yeah i do a thing with all these ripoffs of uh muppet characters so it's very so i've said the word Kermit a lot more than Kermit. So it's very force of habit. Thanks for pointing it out. I figured you could get a plug in real quick, too. That's true. Yeah, well, go to tinyfuppets.com, and there may be some new Tiny Fuppets activity in the near future.

But anyway, kermit uh people were upset i was gonna evict lincoln they were like like fans really this was an early this was a pre-internet instance of the fanboys being furious that they were gonna take away something beloved and and yet even in that article it's clear like the imagineers are a little baffled they're like it's funny that everybody's so upset about this because you know what they weren't doing was going to the show attraction now i don't think they boned that decision necessarily because muppet vision 3d did make it to disneyland in california adventure and they don't even run it all the time anymore they use that it's done

forever i think so they use it mainly for to that theater to preview um upcoming films and your wrinkles and times and what have you but the so i don't know that they made the bad decision but uh muppet vision was real hot at the time a lot of uh popularity uh a lot of hype about it coming out of florida uh and i maybe i don't know at the time maybe it would have been a good move too and i i think we just we should be open to the idea that if there's a better idea one day why do we have to keep this attraction well it's it's interesting you're bringing this up i i have i'm conflicted on that because as you know we're all very progressive when it comes to rides and people changing things at the parks but i do think there's something nice about main street sort of being untouched like the idea that it's still lincoln that is a very dry pretty boring historical

lesson through the lens of walt disney it's nice that it's on main street because main street still kind of feels untouched even though there's a little starbucks in there but it's nice that it's on main street because main street still kind of feels untouched even though there's a little starbucks in there but it's nicely hidden and it's still themed you know what i will you know what maybe i'll take that back i love the muppet show they do in orlando there's a real puppet practical puppet show they do in a liberty square oh yeah they like they poke their heads out of the window it's wonderful and everyone gathers around and it's so nice to see the actual muppets like you see them in person and there are five different shows so if you do something i feel like that might be in the spirit of main street it might be okay but i do like i do like having something dry and boring in that

place well it also makes the most sense there yeah and it fits the theme yeah of everything so i would be i would be almost more precious about it than i would be other places in the park for some reason i don't know why it's weird that they got away with taking it out for like four or five years to have steve martin and donald duck talk about disneyland but it wasn't supposed to last that long but yeah or four years sorry four years and then lincoln came back with the new and improved in 2009. Yes. The current version that we have now. Yeah.

They made a big deal when it came back. And it is improved. You were withholding your thoughts. No, I just like it. I don't know that I have... I like it. It's no revolutionary. It's a nice...

Actually, they went back to a lot of original stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They did. To Paul Freese. Because they had taken Paul Fre freeze off and royal dano there have been another who are much better than the journeys to gettysburg uh yeah yeah they had different actors there and they put the original stuff back on yeah that might have been also like

the like i wonder if you actually were to gather up the amount of people that were protesting though the lincoln going away and added up to people that were protesting like tower of terror going away is it possible that just because it was early on and people protesting things it felt like a bigger deal and because there was less precedent i think that's what that may be the first instance of like a beloved classic thing being taken out and they people they were like oh shit like we're people are so mad and it was really like 150 people heard about when inner space was taken out well that is a question i have for uh imagineers and historians is what were that what was it like back then when i want to move excuse me a ride like that where it was taken out were people really upset or did people just go to the park and go ah it's gone it something else. And they didn't give a shit.

The way it probably should be, although there's things we're upset about, I guess. Yeah, it depends. I mean, obviously it depends what it is. But yeah, like I wonder if it was like just a very vocal 50 people and Imagineers and management was like, oh no, like I don't want them to be mad at us.

But like Tower of Terror had maybe some stupid petition online that was 15,000 strong, and they're like, who gives a shit? They're going to go on the new one. They'll like it. I'm sure there's a damned if you do, damned if you don't element of, like, well, if we change it, people complain. If we don't change it, yeah, either people complain it's boring or no one goes there. Like, there should have been, I'll say this, there should have been a massive protest when the country bears were taken out of Disneyland.

I wasn't here at the time, and it wasn't even my favorite ride at that time, but I am so upset that it's not there that that might be one of the only ones I would actually, like, go down there with a sign. I let you down. I could have represented California,ia i didn't i apologize the country bears uh i wasn't mobilized uh now i'm more engaged and i'll i will fight the fight

on anything else that uh i would like i will go down there and protest the wages for the workers and the removal of country bears over a decade ago those are two causes i really believe in you flip a sign and it says and while i'm here yeah right as well get this out yeah is there any way to reverse that the heads are still up in the back yeah can we please poo no one goes on that poo bear ride i think um i think my lincoln thing is like absolutely leave it and they it's good that they did a refresh and they're uh you know keeping it uh you know pristine but i think we should be open to the idea that if something was better to go in there but the disney show situation like i'm not i'm not so into anything they've recently done i'm not like dying to get philhar magic in their

yeah florida show i don't think there is a good candidate i'm just saying if it ever there are probably there's probably a way to make the show a little bit more interesting it's not putting headphones on the audience well because a lot of it is the paintings like from the epcot uh yeah yeah yeah from the american adventure a lot of it before lincoln starts talking is two brothers still in it yes oh yeah two brothers is very much alive honestly i would like more of the animatronic like that's what i'm saying there's a version i don't know if we have other animatronics added to it or he becomes like that cartoonish robot more and he like gets up real close to the stage. Can we get him to walk a little more?

Because right now he still kind of just gets like, it seems like there's like an invisible string that pulls him out of the chair. Like if we could get him to walk a little bit, if we could get that robot a little more sophisticated, I think a lot more people will go in. If he's like maybe like doing the Jay Leno start start of the show he goes down and he slaps hands with the front row or something like let's get something flashier in there have you heard about this have you seen this i don't want him to do lowinsky jokes but i'm just saying if he can do something more impressive maybe well you know what we missed is the fact that the the urban legend of the story and i think i saw an imagineer talking about it so i think it's true that when they were first testing this robot during the uh the 64 world's fair that they they they brought a bunch of illinois specific dignitaries and they ran a test for them

and the uh there was a problem in hydraulic fluid leaked out of the neck of the robot the shot out of the neck and straight this is where it seems made up but they imagine here says that it is true that the hydraulic fluid they were using was red my god so it seemed as though he was gushing blood from the neck as though he had been shot there is a clip online of the lincoln animatronic in the Hall of Presidents slowly falling over. Oh, yes, that's the best. It's very funny. As if he's limboing. I think it was in America's Funniest Videos episode, too.

Because they had creaky sound effects. Yeah. Oh, we'll post that, though. Yeah, yeah. And the speech never stops. It never stops. But he just bends perfectly at the knees. The show must go on.

But anyway, I think maybe you nod to that history, and you just, I think maybe we do shoot Lincoln on stage. Oh, wow. We load him up with blood. Look, I don't normally, I wouldn't go for that normally,

but for a Halloween overlay. Yes. Oh, that's, that's fine. I found a weird fact about this show in, okay. In the modern family episode from season three where they go to disneyland

uh-huh uh okay this is a quote the episode closed with the family sitting together watching great moments with mr lincoln jay pritchard which is ed o'neill's character reflects that watching the show with his kids while they were young inspired him to stay with his wife for the sake of the children. Isn't that weird? Yeah, it is weird. Huh. Well, and much earlier, I guess, on a different sitcom,

Lincoln offered advice to a different character who was having love issues, Blossom's brother. I did a lot of tweets about a very bizarre Blossom episode that was shot at Disneyland, and there's a very strange moment where you watch the end of the Lincoln show where he just sits down, and then no curtain comes in.

It's just the lights stay on. The end. Everyone gets up and leaves. They don't lower the curtain on Lincoln, so he's just sitting there but then you find out why because everybody leaves but then blossom's brother stays behind and lincoln starts talking to him in kind of like a borscht belty voice uh and he i had one all the audio is great but i just wanted my favorite joke that he says uh here you go i just don't know what to do do enjoy you're lucky ever see what mary todd

looked like whoa this lounge lizard voice delivering a joke about his lincoln roasting his wife's unwell wife mentally unwell ball and show boy i love the if i had a milani on my hands it'd be no problem um i yeah quite a moment and it's unclear whether it's like magic there's never a moment where he like somebody comes back and taps blossom's brother on the shoulder and says like hey are you okay you fell asleep there i think just in the reality of blossom lincoln comes to life lincoln came to life or he did uh or was possessed sure uh uh but not by lincoln's to life lincoln came to life or he was possessed uh or was possessed sure uh uh but not by lincoln's ghost but by the ghost of like uh cat skills comedian yeah yeah allen something yeah yeah that lenny or lenny allen forgotten

but so uh and also but also they did custom uh animation I think, for the, like Blossom got them to do specific programming. An episode apparently directed by Bill Bixby, the Incredible Hulk. Odd fact about that. So Bill Bixby was overseeing custom animation, turning Lincoln into an old comedian. So I think all this does is show that Lincolnincoln is you can reprogram them you can do other things you can bring character a bit lincoln sings the entirety of let it go i mean that would kill at the park sure people would love that pack the house in i think yeah i think you can do with with

the big thing in in rides now is that you know it just changes up every time you go on there's a slightly different experience or you'd get a different like indiana jones you were at a certain point you got different like temples with different colors and stuff um but with guardians you get different songs so i think yeah maybe changing up the lincoln show sometimes you get the gettysburg address sometimes he sings uh you know famous disney songs one is all roast jokes about his wife yeah she's so crazy i'm gonna uh say you know because because trends are so cyclical um if they go back to a thing that seemed like they were trying to really get to catch on a few years ago of personalization so it's just a full link in speeches but just every now and then he has

they have to slip in like jason jason no no pal all the armies of europe and asia and africa combined could not take a drink from the mississippi eric well you know what you could actually do so you don't have to use that terrible E.T. technology where he garbles voices. Just do the turtle talk with crush technology. Have some teenager backstage. He's making Lincoln talk. So Lincoln can do crowd work. So like he can do the speech, too, but also he can address the people and they can ask him questions.

Oh, yeah. I think that would be great. Hey, that was my time folks but we got a little bit left if anybody was wondering if you want to line up by the microphone over here he could do that like a real inoffensive kind of topical comedy where you don't really take a shot at anyone it's like i don't know about this guy and the current guy in the white house but the opposite isn't much better either right like it's the most whitewashed that was a little controversial for a theme park that that material i feel like it would have to be non-political he would have to be like oh like he would have to be the simpsons

congress joke like those those kooky guys those clowns in congress huh then everyone would clap and that would be it yeah uh what's the uh the congress oh it like well i thought the civil war was bad but uh i'd trade it in in a second to not have to sit through a capital steps performance and then there'd be like and it's a small it would be some of the same jokes from that improv disney show and pleasure island and you'd be like uh you know it's not as annoying as it's a small world after all. That'll make anyone gush red hydraulic fluid from their neck. When I see those little dolls in the animatronic lounge,

I get, I get mad creeped out. What else? What else is going on? Hold on. Let me check my composition book i mean this would be the hit of the park quilled any other ideas lately oh here's one

um well there we go that's that's a fix yeah you know life puppeting um hey and we i think we all just clearly proved we could be the puppeteers if they suddenly need three guys to do perfect lincoln impressions yeah yeah and then if if if that or if you if maybe they want to bring back binaural sound obviously we're also very good at that yeah so we can and we'll we'll do it live and we'll do the binaeteer with one hand and scissor with another and like here maybe that's like an enhanced experience at Gibson Girl oh if you want me

to have ice cream with Jason Jordan I'm in yeah you get to hear the sound of the scoop and then like you whispering into their ear

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