Podcast: The Ride - Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

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Forever Dog. fueled discussion of Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind. No one can stop theme park comedy podcasts from existing. Yeah, it's podcast. The Ride. welcome people of podcasts podcasters podcastians citizens of podcast does anyone know what they call themselves do i do the whole thing what yeah i'm on someone needs to tell me when i'm on welcome podcast terrence the biggest thing fighting me do i do that is the opening was how long it would go uh hey i am centurion scott kerner joined by nova prime jason sheridan oh what a title. I give you Nova Prime.

Head of the Nova Corps and everything. Yes, you're right in league with why Nova Prime. Can I find the name in the notes quickly enough? Do we know Nova Prime's name off the top of our heads yet? No, I don't know Nova Prime's name. Oh, yeah, wait, I don't. Okay, well, we got some work to do. Joined also by, apologies, I have no more of these terms.

I have no more Zandarian terms to apply to Mike Carlson. I ran out. I'm sorry, Mike. That's okay. Well, it's because you're limited to what the information you have from the ride, the pre-show is. So it's not like you're dipping deep into the Marvel comics. You only know the ride. Yeah, oh, this is the definition of what I only know from the rides.

I mean, I looked up other Zandarian titles, but those wouldn't read. Those require explanations. And yeah, you're right, because the entirety of my Guardians of the Galaxy experience is the rides. I still have not seen any of these films. Oh, interesting. Have you seen clips of anything? Have you seen Baby Groot dancing to Mr. Blue Sky from the opening of Guardians of the Galaxy 2? I have not, actually.

No, I didn't know that. That's cute. I think you would like that. I think that's maybe the only thing you would like. Okay, yeah. I mean, maybe there's a few other things. But Baby Groot dances while Mr. Blue Sky and then the other Guardians are fighting this big monster. Okay.

So it's mostly while Baby Groot dances and they're fighting in the background. Why is he Baby Groot? What is the Baby Groot switch? Spoiler alert. At the end of Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Groot sacrifices himself for the team and he kind of blows up. Yeah.

And then I think they take a piece, Jason, correct me if I'm wrong, they take a piece of Groot and plant him. And plant him. And he grows into Baby Groot. And he slowly grows. And so a new Groot grows. Oh.

So it's a different character, actually. So at the end of one, you're like, oh, I thought we were saying goodbye to a great character, but now he's, and now in number two, we get to deal with what this is going to be like. Yes. And two kicks off and he's dancing. So we know we're off to the races. Yes. And then he slowly becomes like petulant teen Groot.

He's teen Groot for a while too. In the later Avengers movies. Yeah. And stuff. He's teen-grewed for a while, too. In the later Avengers movies. Yeah. Well, thank you both for explaining to me the events of probably some very famous and commonly viewed films. Films. Yeah, I know. I know. Now Scott has to be babysat through the events of very popular movies.

Well, I might come up in the conversation here today. So we needed to do it here on mic. Look, it all sounds very nice. Do I have any desire to watch any of these movies? No, Guardians specific. I just look. You know, I have long time listeners know I'm not a big Marvel person. If I had to watch any, it might be these because Guardians of the Galaxy has produced some pretty exceptional rides. Yes.

And we finally get to talk about it. This is a big one. This is long overdue on our part. We have had since May 2022 to talk about this, but we have not all been to Orlando to get. Has anyone missed? I forget when you went before. I went in November 2021, so I saw the construction site.

Okay. This past time, it's like, okay, Guardians is open, Moana is open, which I'm sure we'll get to in a future episode. The beautiful fake rocks and water fountains and plant life, but operationally a panic attack. I think it was worse for Jane walking around, but just observing like, okay, half of these people are just walking through. Half of these people are stopping dead in their tracks to take pictures. Yeah.

Half of them are reading the sun. It just seemed a little confusing. Close quarters, certainly in certain places. Very close quarters. Are you saying there's a lack of understanding, like, is this a thing where you, do you treat it like a line and do you do every step of it? Or do you just move through at your own pace, which I think is what you are supposed to do. I mean, it was very, the walkways were wide. With the scooter, I certainly was able to navigate through easily enough.

It was just, I think, yeah, if you went at a slower time of day, it was probably lovely. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I like getting wet from the spray. I like getting sprayed. Well, so here's a preview of Journey of Water. That is the name of it. I'm not mixing it up because we got Way of Water.

Journey of Water? Yeah, I think so. We'll learn that by the time we get there. But today it's Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind. I'm so happy we're doing it finally. This is like the best of the best that we get to talk about now that we've finally been. Big basics to talk about before we get into specifics and what it is and story and the order of events.

It is the first Disney Marvel ride in Florida. They finally were able to get away from the ironclad but very brief universal contract that excludes most of the characters that they'd love to make attractions out of. Which I didn't realize goes back to, it was agreed upon in 1994. Wow.

So then by the time it actually gets built, Marvel is in bankruptcy reorganization. Marvel is struggling when it opens uh even though you know just run of cartoons in the 90s like very kind of prevalent in the 90s but i think the work around is that these characters are not present in islands of adventure you have to not be present. You have to not be present. And also they can't say Marvel in the marketing and signs and stuff. So they can say Guardians of the Galaxy, but they can't say Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy. Wow. Wow.

Right. I think they can say Marvel, correct me if I'm wrong, in California Adventure now, but they can't do it in Florida. And it's really funny that the Guardians of the Galaxy have two major league rides in Disney parks because of just like legally what happened. Like, it's just, if you said that, well, you know, 30 years ago,

what characters will have like big rides? You'd be like, well, certainly there will be a Fantastic Four ride and there'll be Avengers. X-Men. X-Men, yes. what about the Guardians of the Galaxy oh the characters from the year 3000 yeah what

yeah I was wondering that like did you your relationship to these characters in this world before the movies I mean very much its own vibe and different things I will be honest I had not read there was a there was a good something that I think inspired, for sure inspired the movies. There was like a pretty well-reviewed run by Abnet and Lanning.

Yeah. That I think got people sort of interested again. It wasn't like a big comic book, whatever a big comic book hit is in the year 20- The 2000s. They kind of revitalized all these characters. They had this big Annihilation storyline, and it brought a lot of them to the forefront, and that's a lot of the inspiration for the movies,

except there is a character named Nova. There's been a couple Novas, Richard Rider and St. Alexander. Those were not used in the movies, but the Nova core is used in the movies. Yeah, you know, you pick and choose. You pick and choose some of the mythology, but I

will say I hadn't read that run before the movies came out, and I knew Rocket Raccoon. I don't know that I remember the name drax i don't i knew groot of course because groot's a funny thing that he only says i am groot you maybe couldn't name most of these most of the guardians of the galaxy yeah i don't think i knew gamora in the 90s i don't think as a kid i could have said gamora or drax i don't think. You were where I am now. Basically, yeah. Having been on these rides multiple times.

That's true. A lot of 70s characters. There was a lot of cosmic Marvel comics in the 70s. Stuff that wasn't like in cartoons. I mean, maybe in some Silver Surfer stuff. A comedy character. So it's funny. It's just funny that there's two major,

like this is a crazy new coaster and this is the Marvel property that it's based on which i'm happy about i like i like the vibe of the movies a lot yeah well and not only that yes that it is like it is inspired some of disney imagineering's best work of the last decade yeah but also in this year in, in the year that we are wrapping up, 2023, the only bona fide Disney hit blockbuster. Right, yes. It's an absolute catastrophe of a year, box office-wise, for Disney. The only one, well, there's only two that are clearly wins. One is Guardians of the Galaxy 3, and one is Avatar Way of Water from last year.

Right. from last year right variety just talked about how it made avatar made more money in 2023 than the new most of the new 2023 movies not to mention indiana jones 5 the marvels trounced by the runoff of avatar from last year yeah it's interesting seeing that the guardians because guardian really did resonate i think more like the first up until like end game um marvel was very much like had the momentum of like you gotta see it all because it's all gonna build to one big thing and like even if there was a movie that you felt like was maybe less good or you didn't attach to the characters it was like well you gotta see it because it's gonna be very important tissue it's all together right but then as soon as end game

happened i think people were just like all right well done i guess we finished it so then when they start doing a bunch of new stuff and then and how dare people tap out after 22 films and shows that's what i said how dare you think you've had enough um but then when they try to launch a ton of new stuff and maybe probably overextended themselves then it it was like, uh-oh. We're like starting in a way starting from scratch, I think. And I don't think they maybe expected it. I think they kind of were thinking the momentum would carry all of it through forever.

Yeah. But so that's why I think, yeah, Guardians is like, well, actually that's pointing to like the audience really likes those characters. Like that really resonated with people in a way. And it seems somewhat self-contained. It obviously like attaches to the broader Marvel narratives. audience really likes those characters like that really resonated with people in a way it obviously like attaches to the broader marvel narratives but it's like if you you could only watch those and have a good experience and not yeah confused by well what is that reference and what is this building to and made enough of an impact that director james gunn is now in charge of DC movies entirely. Uh-huh, which is going great. DC-averse just rising and rising straight to the top.

Everybody's happy. Well, yeah, there was that video, that trailer video, where it's like, all right, we're going to start off fresh with Creature Commandos. I was like, what? Well, Gunn is going to bring the magic to Creature Commandos like he did with the Guardians, you know? Yeah, you he did with the Guardians Have I said this on the show before? James Gunn months before getting

James Gunn did a bunch of trauma movies and some other like really small indie type things and like months before getting Guardians judged a live show Jason and I did that's called the Tournament of Nerds I still do it here and there.

He did a couple times, didn't he? I think so. And it was like literally a couple months before. And he was set to judge again. And he got Guardians of the Galaxy all of a sudden. Wow. Because like from what he says, I think he like really like went all in on this pitch at Marvel and got it. And he actually, I think, had agreed to judge before he got this.

So he was set to be back. And I and another person were like, we got to get Jason out on stage in a Rocket Raccoon outfit. Oh, yeah. We're going to have the worst smeary raccoon makeup. So we were like, fuck, James is going to be here. We need to do a bit on stage where Jason is Rocket Raccoon. We have to pitch Jason for Rocket.

And then before the show happened, James pulled out. James pulled out, went with Jackson Maine himself, you know, Mr. Silver Linings playbook, Bradley Cooper. Fucking Bradley Cooper over Jason Sheridan. Just because of name recognition and awareness, Bradley Cooper is like in front of him all the time. But if Jason Sheridan had been in front of him once. That's what we were thinking.

I could have charred the pants off him. That's what we were going to do. Yes, we were going to try to do it. Did you have a sense of how, because it was pre the voice that we all know and love and do. Did you have a sense of your rocket? It would have been pretty close, honestly. It would have been a little more old-timey, but I think a little gruff New York.

I think I would have tried to do Universal Hollywood New York's, you know, Hey! Hey, Mr. Gunn! Hey, it's Rocket! You like these rock and roll tunes? Why don't you go back a little farther and sing the old ones? Yeah. What do you think?

Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy, perhaps? My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean. Ever thought about a rocket who likes public domain? You don't got to pay for those songs, all right? Save yourself some scratch. You think it's far to get to Tara, you know? It's a long way to Tipperary, my man. I like that he's like, oh!

Like a Dice Clay or he's an old Catskill comedian. You want a real lived-in, hard-boiled New York voice? Hey, Mr. Gunn! Yeah. hey miss the gun yeah or if I did a real hard like Philly dialect and then that would have made him go like Philly huh that reminds me of that silver linings playbook

oh would have just brought him right back yeah it was an inevitability so I don't know if I've said that on the show before but I swear Jason was weeks away from being Rocket Wreck that's how i say it that's how i tell it weeks away from bothering a man weeks away from bothering mr slither himself that's right geez so ships in the night it could have been yeah um well anyways yeah we we've arrived here. They finally, they've planted the Marvel flag in Florida. This is a huge technological leap forward roller coaster.

The very first ever Omni Coaster. I forgot that they invented that term. We have advanced from the Omni Mover, which spins and pivots and allows the audience to look at specific elements and kind of direct your field of vision on rides like Haunted Mansion or Little Mermaid. And now this can be done on a roller coaster. Pretty incredible. What times we live in.

And I don't want to like jump too far. We can go through our experience of this emotionally. But I feel like I heard this, I saw this. Sounds cool. All right, spins, you can look at stuff. I watched a video of the guys testing it outside, going on a little not fully built track of it. Or finished track of it.

Looks cool, cool. Was looking forward to it, cool. None of it prepared me for how great this was in person. No, I know. I agree, I completely agree. Once actually doing it. And I still, now I've found myself found myself now i've come back i'm telling people guardians is great they're like what's so great about it well it's the individual car spins you can like look at stuff and you can rotate around and nobody's getting it nobody everybody's the same as i was just like oh yeah sure sounds okay i like

you you have to you have to have been baptized in the Omnicoaster to have the enthusiasm about the Omnicoaster. I completely agree. It is like, I don't, yeah, I was trying to describe it to people and I felt like I was doing a bad job. I couldn't articulate exactly what it was. But I was like, I think I said something along the lines of like, I've never been handled like this on a ride. I've never been like in some giant you still new technology after new technology you've managed to find weird creepy ways of saying everything you like that's true you find a new you find specific ones for every new one that comes i've never

been finessed i've never been caressed caressed like this on a ride taken care of finished i've never been finished like this i've never been completed like this i was ride. Taken care of. Finished. I've never been finished like this. I've never been completed like this. I was about to say I've never been completed. I swear. But now I'm a completer. You kept going and spoke more normally about it at some point. It was like, you know, you go on a coaster, you expect

certain ranges of movement. And like, high grids, you launch forwards, you launch backwards. But then the surprise of the drop is unusual. It's unusual, but it's still,

I've been on a thing with a drop. But this is so much unusual movement. Forward, backwards, spinning in Darknet. So it's, you're a little off kilter. And the lights are adding to that. Like you never, I mean, it's you're a little off kilter and the lights are adding to that like you never i mean it's like space mountain where you never really get a handle on where you are and what's

going on and then you add spinning to that you add lights that sort of never stop to that the project the the lights the star projections are really good i mean it's really new um the screens are really good in it and i definitely watching videos i was able to follow like the story more yes that's out the way i have no i'd coming off it i had no idea what happened even right even the gist right you get the gist of it riding you get the bear but i don't think i knew when you were launched backwards that is the big bang you have been sent back in time to the big bang and that is not yeah not remotely throwing you back missed all that but it's a great it's you know it hits that theme parky thing where you're like you don't need to know any of this it's you're not gonna be lost

you're gonna enjoy it no matter what you you land at the same space as space mountain where like there is no story yeah like you could and then the the those specifics and if you learn about it and you know understand it more it adds texture to the experience but like if this is just if all you if you just go on this once and get uh get handled uh you're gonna have a good time if you get handled on this ride you you're going to love it. This and then I guess I can say this and Velocicoaster, I haven't been on rides in years where I just every different movement and turn, I just go, wow.

Like I'm making noises, like confused noises that were also delight. Like I couldn't kind of like, whoa, what? Okay, what? Like, we did other new rides that were good, good rides, but I wasn't sort of shocked by them. Oh, the dope, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is a tough bar for a ride. But obviously, like, the greats are the ones that do something completely new. Yes, I guess, like, the first time we went on, like, the trackless ride vehicle for Pooh's Honey hut we were like huh what like the first time you're in a new you're

being handled a different way uh is very surprising and if it's fun it's fun it's really fun and i felt that way on this ride and then on velocicoaster at universal so maybe a good new tagline for walt disney world in general w Walt Disney World, we'll handle it. We'll handle it in a new or unique way. Get handled like you've never been handled before. Because that's really what's going on here. You're going to love the way we handle you. We guarantee it.

We guarantee it. We guarantee it. What other first, this is the first roller coaster at Epcot. Right. Yes. First Disney backwards launch, backwards launch, which is catching on, I feel like. I was trying to figure that out. What is the history of backwards launches?

Because I could not, you hear it's the first disney one right okay so other places have done it and you're like where like there's not like a really famous or prominent backwards launch unless i'm wrong do you i looked up examples but do you guys in your head have well there's this uh what do i know i don't i'm not really i mean hagrid's has a lot of tricks but i think the backwards portion is you go backwards no no i'm just saying tricks in general when you go backwards it's the old edge of the track track ends right oh yeah sure yes yeah and that's what a lot of them are like other there's a lot of rides that launch you backwards and then you're right like kind of you

hit it it's different than Hagrid's but like you hit a dead end and then you and then go forwards from there like yeah sorry um but there's not a ton of uh backwards launch and then you stay backwards or backwards for a very long time I think they'll run like uh and I forget the names of all the superman but the superman at Mountain, which is just sort of a shoot you up and then back down again, but I think they will run that backwards sometimes. That's called Superman escape. Escape, yeah.

Superman escape from Krypton. Right. And I think it's maybe, I think they, do they change it? Like it's sometimes it's backwards and sometimes it's forwards. I think so, yeah.

Or the different tracks do different things. There's also something called full throttle at Magic Mountain that launches backwards. That's not the bar though. That's not the full throttle do different things. There's also something called Full Throttle at Magic Mountain that launches backwards. That's not the bar, though. That's not the Full Throttle Lounge. Right. The very classy Full Throttle Lounge. There's something called Mr. Freeze Reverse Blast.

I don't know where that is even. And there's something called Revolution at Blackpool Pleasure Beach in England where they launch you back and you kind of like stall up at a certain point for a while and you stare at a different show building that has a big wallace and gromit on it oh that's not bad i don't like that i mean that's not it's not related but it's just an added bonus right right right but i mean it is this is instantly i would say the most prominent backwards launch.

Yeah, for sure. And in a way, it isn't a backwards launch. It is a regular launch because the vehicle never changes direction, but your cars spin, which lets you get out of the territory. Because you've got to switch tracks, basically, if you want to go backwards, for the most part. Again, listener, correct me if I'm wrong. If you've been on a great backwards launch, let us know. Let us know. We don't want to neglect it.

But, yeah, it's kind of you get a backwards launch, and then you spin around the other way and then keep spinning. It's every type of direction you could be on a coaster. The manufacturer of this ride is the Roller Coaster Company. This is like comic books where I read someone's name but haven't said it out loud. Vekoma or Velkoma? Oh, yeah, I've seen that name.

Other Disney collaborations with them include Big Thunder Mountain, Tokyo and Paris, Gadgets Go Coaster. Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. Expedition Everest. Wow.

And one of my first launches maybe I've ever did was Rock and Roller Coaster. They did Rock and Roller Coaster. That was my first launch too. Which is a very intense, even still is a very intense launch. Yeah. It was terrifying the first time I ever did it. I would not, I don't need to do it again. If a group was doing it, I would do it again.

But that's a little bit above my threshold, I would say. I was pretty shocked the first time I did it. Fun, certainly, but that's right above my intensity line. Right. But Slinky they they have figured out how to do gentle launch like slinky dog dash has some gentle launches yeah yes very relaxing yeah well this new when you get a new just smooth ride it's it it's so much of it is that yeah the fact that like if slinky dog did all the same stuff, but it jittered around a lot, you'd feel overhandled.

Yeah. If Slinky would turn and point you at things to show you toys in Andy's room. Oh, sure. Then, yeah. We're going to have to start spinning on everything, I guess, after this. This is reset. It is kind of hard to go back once you go on a ride that feels like this state of the art. I mean, it's not really that hard,

but it's kind of where you're imagining it. I am upset that we don't have a Velocicoaster or a Cosmic Rewind in California. Because I think if I went on it for the first time, I'd be like, I'm going back tomorrow or next week. I have to figure out how to get on this soon. Yeah.

I totally agree. It haunted me. I was like we only have a couple more days and they're busy days. I'm not going to get back on this. It might be years before I'm back on this and I've been thinking about it a lot. I think about both of these coasters

a few times a week since coming back. We did one member of our party was kind of defeated by this ride the Celestial Esan kind of center. I was wondering if you would address this. I will address this. Jane, immediately the train pulled up to the offloading

and was like, I am going to be sick, and ran to a trash can. Oh, boy. And I think I was not that sick, but cast members very prepared with both barf bags and little bottles of water and these little hand towels, which we found in our luggage.

You produced, you first sold a little hand towel. You had a little towel. This one was not used. The one that she dabbed her mouth with was thrown in the garbage. Okay, that's good. But this one, we just kind of ended up back with us that I think we found the other day. So you got a free towel from Walt Disney World. Got a free towel and free little bottles of water.

Now, this is what I like. This is the smart Jason where he really takes advantage of situations. You get a free towel. Wait, wait, wait. The smarter way to take advantage would be because you had to endure. Jane had to endure the vomiting in order to get the towel. The smart move is to fake the vomiting. And then you get towels for nothing.

And get little waters. Now, here was how the events. We all got off. She was sick. I sent you guys on word. And I'm like, I have pepto-bismol i'm gonna sit with her make sure she's okay there is a bench at the exit which is unusual and i was told that bench was at it later on it's a puking bench it's a it's a collect yourself

bench because what happened as we were sitting on the bench i watched the two track sides i watched the trains pull up and i watched a handful of people also get off this ride and walk to the trash can and be sick like i watched and i talked to the chaos members i was just like this happened a lot they're like yeah it. I'm good. Did you see, you don't have to say specifically, did you see like a large amount of puke being produced from everybody, including Jane, or was it just sort of like a dry heave? I think there was some dry heave, some spit and like, so. Did anyone like throw up a full like set of wings from the Odyssey,

from the Muppet? I didn't see the, you know see your scotch bonnet pepper wing. Oh, God. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. That would have hurt on the way out. Food and wine, people are eating and drinking all morning, all afternoon, and then getting on Cosmic Rewind. I wonder if it's common for people to throw up a ton of food or it's just like that weird

sick feeling. Like when you're in a car and you're reading or you're looking at your phone too much and you're not driving. Yeah. That's like, I wonder if it's like kind of more like that or you were seeing just tons of puke. I think it was just a combo of like, we had shared like a fruit and cheese thing.

And I think she had too much dairy and like a side salad at the end. And meanwhile, I, I talked about this on the live show. I had that day. I'd eaten a cold brew, a Danish,

uh, crab legs, crab claws, uh, half a cheese plate. Uh, and I just hopped on guardians and hopped right off. You ate the crab.

You were eating it on the ride. I was eating it on there. I was cracking crab claws as congo was playing uh let's here cut this if this is too much information but at some point in this conversation i do remember you saying to jane uh you were that you were you're worried in general about that because she mainly ingests salad coffee and weed uh yeah that is and weed. Yeah, that is- This statement stuck with me. That is part of our food thing. Obviously, in Florida, we weren't having much of that.

Just the salad and coffee. Well, coffee can upset your stomach. It sure can. Too much greens, that's a lot of fiber. And too much other greens. Yeah. We feel like we're on Cosmic Rewind all the time. Yeah.

I am Groot. Well, I was, yes. We got so high, we thought we were Groot. That was a teasing line. Whoa, you're smoking baby Groot, man. He's a little bud. Oh, that's enough. Disney wanted to get into the market.

Yeah, yeah. They could make joints that look like little groots and like you're burning the hair of groot that's right that would be great yeah start making that dough they need alternate revenue streams espn shit in the bed and all that yeah your answer is uh they're starting that espn betting app too you're gonna be able to bet more on your phone oh goody uh just start character themed joints that's just i hear you yeah yeah get you know then you can skip all that stuff yeah um no that was that was kind of like a teasing law i think that was more of like i don't know this is ideal for your stomach. But she loved the ride. She had a great time on the ride.

I think she said what did her in was there is a moon set piece towards the end. You're shot around the moon. And I think she was focusing on that to try and steady herself. But that was in very dizzying effects to stare at. Your car is going around it and you're also spinning it. I think it was too much. I don't blame her at all. You have to

calibrate to what this is because the sounds you were making, Mike, it is very like, oh, huh. Oh, okay. You don't have I certainly didn't have experience of a similar thing so you really just got you're figuring out on the fly how do i not get sick yes this and it was i think by the uh uh you know i barely survived not getting i she you know she has a bit

more of a gentle stomach and i occasionally do but often it's an iron stomach. It's either iron or gentle. It's either iron or gentle, which is not ideal either. So it'll surprise you. But yeah, so I think like this ride, I had never seen so many people come off a roller coaster and run for the trash can. And then the other, you know know i was taking the elevators but i the design i was like there are a lot of stairs up and down after you do this dizzying ride

yes you walk right downstairs i think out of the exit area yeah yeah space mountain too that's true there's some that's how guardians yeah if you're on the second level of Guardians at the California Adventure one, you have to go down this big set of stairs. Alright. I will say this. I could feel in my stomach where you could get sick. I didn't

feel like I was going to throw up or even close to it, but I could feel that, like, kind of, again, being in a car and looking down at your phone and, like, the motion sickness of it. I could feel where it kind of, again, being in a car and looking down at your phone and like the motion sickness of it. I could feel where it would have happened. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like what part of your body could have been activated but wasn't.

You know, when I had a bigger problem, which I wrote out, I was fine. I just had to like cover my eyes. But we finally, towards the end of the day, did Remy's Ratatouilley adventure which was mostly very pleasant i think we talked it up in our in our episode with taryn i think we were very positive about it but i also think like thinking back on that episode we were like finding things to to poke at about it and when is it in the timeline and this and that i feel like it may be maybe i at least underrated the ride in my head a little and i was on it thinking like well it's not like a blockbuster like this it's not like guardians but it's a you know what it is it's a it's a wine ride it is like it's perfect for world showcase it's perfect it's like it's it's gentle it's it's culinary

but there was one part and i don't remember at some point something about 3d and screen curvature and yeah probably overindulging all day finally added up into like okay glasses off looking down got a tap which doesn't happen to me a ton but it did on there sure yeah there's opportunities that I've got also unconventional

movements added in with 3D glasses yeah yeah yeah this ride I did keep my glasses on because I wanted to be able to see all the story beats. And I'd seen a video of Mr. Morrow riding it. And he kept his glasses on. So I was like, okay, I feel better.

But I put my baseball cap in the dirty mesh pouch. Dirty mesh pouch, a cousin of the dirty yellow strap, of course. And now we welcome to the show the newest member of the five-timer family, Mike losing his hat on Guardians Cosmic Rewind. Mike losing his hat. Look, I knew it was going to come up here, and the discourse around it is really wild. People can't stop talking about it since we brought it up.

Everybody has very strong opinions on it uh every like we we said this a couple weeks ago is that i left my hat on as did griffin who was sitting next to me and and mr morrow also in a video had a hat on yes but i think a tighter fitted flat brim hat. And in case you didn't listen, I had a bag of stuff that I was trying to cram into the little thing in front, and I didn't even think to sort of take off my hat. I don't always wear a hat, so sometimes I forget I'm wearing it. And what happened is I lost my hat

basically on the launch. And in the photo, we have a photo which I forgot totally the order of events on this because I did not, This is new information. It's kind of fascinating that it is like right at the sun that somehow for all this talk of you've lost that and Griffin took his off. The photo was taken at a precise hat oriented moment. Yes. I think one of you is even holding your hat.

Well, we're both holding our hats. I believe Griffin has more of a hold on his, which is how he kept his. And I'm holding my brim. Well, we're both holding our hats, I believe. Griffin has more of a hold on his, which is how he kept his, and I'm holding my brim. And the hat slipped out of my hands is my memory now on the launch. Yeah. Because all of a sudden it moves and I went, oh, shit, yeah, my hat is – oh, yeah, I'm wearing a hat. And then it slipped out of my hands and that's when I just turned to Griffin

and went, nope, lost my hat. This is the backwards launch? Yes, on the backwards launch. That's when they take the photo. That's the first, yeah, the photo. And then, yes, that's when I had my interaction with the employee who couldn't have been more irritated with me for just asking a question, which is where the discourse, which is where I'm a little bit online.

People are like, well, yeah, he should have been rude to you. And I'm like, well, I didn't, I didn't yell at him. I didn't say I want my hat. Give it, let me walk the track. The people who listen to this show and root against the hosts. I'm glad Mike finally got what was coming to him.

I forgot. I forgot. I don't know. And also as Griffin pointed out, they like the woman whispered to her, you may want to take off your hat to him. Not to me. You know what? It wasn't even, I wrote, cause I remember the, the woman whispered to her, you may want to take off your hat. To him, not to me. You know what? It wasn't even, because I remember the term, it was like, you may want to hold on to your

hat. Right, right. Which I keep thinking is like something that would be said at the beginning of like an old VHS where like a youth pastor raps. Yes. You may want to hold on to your hat. Here we go. Jesus is the way way the only way and then the person walked by on on my side of the train

the roller coaster uh car it is called a train i i'm not making that up um but someone did really quick no one mentioned the glasses but they were like careful with that hat i feel like yeah well so i lost it and then i i think i was very nice so is there a chance you could get it back like how does that work and that's when the employee is very rude to me and acted like well somebody told you right that you should take it off kind of not really i don't hold on to is different than take it off yeah it was like i didn't defy someone who told me to do that it was like i'm just asking if it's possible to get it back and how would that work and that's when someone's rude to me but then they were very

not the other cast everybody else was very nice yes until until the listeners until yeah until we saw some of the listeners who were like yeah it's asshole should have known better and i'm like yeah i guess i don't know i wasn't entitled i listened to every episode with my finger up ready to wag at the hosts. A wag from me. I said I think I forgot. I wasn't even... But again, you're an old theme park guest pro. That is how unconventional

the motion of this ride is. Don't call him old. Be careful, man. I mean, you're a young person. Yeah, I am young. Thank you so much. I'm going to edit the old part out anyway, so don't worry about it. I go through and make a pass anytime.

Now, here's what I think. If they really want, if this is like so severe of a thing that it needs to be said and not just repeat, don't put it on the cast members. Don't make them say it over and over. This should have been attained in the dialogue

from Centurion Talmeric, original character in this ride, as portrayed by Terry Crews. Confusingly, Terry Crews, in his pre-show spiel, which I nodded to at the beginning of the episode, also is very firm about no recording devices allowed, which is weird because you can watch many videos taken by recording devices allowed. Right. Which is weird because you can watch many videos taken by recording devices.

So the one that they gave to Terry Crews is ignored roundly. Yeah. But the one that seems like the most important, the biggest divisive issue is not addressed by Tal Merrick. No, Tal Merrick doesn't talk about hats. There should be a lot more hat stuff in the pre-show. Every character should remind you to remove your hat.

Yeah, yeah. And just one more time, real quick. Yes, I'll steal it, because you know I like to pilfer. There should be a version, or the Tom Jones version of You Can Leave Your Hat On by Randy Newman, but you can't leave your hat on. There should be a parody of it to just drill it into your head that you should, you gotta take your hat off. This is crazy.

Don't leave your hat on. Are you crazy? So they should be addressing it in multiple ways, I find. Okay, so that's a plus up. Every single, and we wanna see icons do it. We wanna see Pratt and Bautista have to do some of the dialogue about yeah funny batista lines in this he has always has a few he's a he's a pretty funny in these movies i feel like

we talked about this before is batista how is does he have the best filmography of of a professional wwe stars more More than Hulk Hogan and Santa with muscles? Oh yeah, you got Santa with muscles, you got Thunder in Paradise, you got Suburban Commando. Suburban Commando, yeah. Well, I think Batista,

I will give him credit for wanting to do a range of things and being interested, wants to do interesting things and isn't too worried about like losing in a movie like i have a tough time hearing putting the phrase best filmography uh on a filmography that includes stuber i mean i said a range of i mean the rock has some duds yeah cena cena's been having fun recently i feel like it's been fun in movies and stuff recently but even batista i watched a video

of him riding this for the first time and he was pretty thoughtful in his like analysis of it and and did seem emotional like excited to be like i'm in disney world now like i am a character in disney world yeah that's what you want people to appreciate it that's the thing if they have if they've attained the ultimate goal for some on this earth yes i want them to appreciate it yeah yeah know how crazy it is maybe we well got to ride together of course mr mario got to ride with aaron paul and brian granston that's right which uh they seemed pretty excited to do. But there was no video of that. There was no video of that.

On ride, I don't believe. But yes, you can video this as much as you want, apparently. Well, I think you can strap a GoPro to your chest or your head. Oh, maybe. It seemed like some of the videos I saw. Just holding it would be too much. Yeah, holding it, I don't know if I would trust myself to hold on to it. I caught video from a preview where halfway through the ride stopped and all the lights came on.

So you could kind of see how big the girders were and how big the building is. The show building is massive. Yeah. It's massive. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard it's the size of the contemporary. Oh, my God. That it has the volume to hold four spaceship Earths inside it.

Yeah. And there is a moment when you arrive in that show build. It's dark, so you never get the fullest sense of it. But kind of early on, there's enough light that you could sort of see the scope of where you've just landed. And that was a huge yell of, oh, my God, to me, realizing, like, oh, we haven't even started. We aren't even in the building yet. And it's already – we've already done backwards. It's already all been very exciting.

We've got a great queue with a fun magic trick. And hang on, only now are we getting, and we get to be in this room for, you know, what, the two and a half minutes at least? Yeah. I also say about, there was a lot of discourse online about the actual show building itself because you can see it. It's painted blue, which, let's not go away green, obviously. What's the name? Is there a name of that blue that's supposed to blend into the sky? Is it sky blue that they try to make it blow away blend blend away blend away blue let's call it um

i will say this i didn't really bother me there were some people saying oh it's too big and like it's not hidden at all so like you can see it but actually i it really wasn't like annoying to me in any weird sight line way not that i care so much about that, but I was thinking, oh, it's going to be so jarring. It was being discussed as if this is a true blight on Epcot. And they preserved the Universe of Energy building. Well, part of it, yeah. Is mostly the queue and- The wonders of Xandar.

The wonders of Xandar, which is, this I think, I mean, we certainly made fun of the Chris Pratt going like, oh, I can't wait to get back to Horizons or whatever. Veggie, veggie, fruit, fruit. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Which, is this the first Disney World appearance of the idea of someone being sad their childhood rides are gone well here's okay uh about this beat and we we i didn't see it in person we kind of i didn't realize it was a thing that you move you can move very quickly and i think we went by it too quick the queue is like an epcot world showcase kind of

pavilion about this other planet yes just kind Which is kind of clever. It is. They refer to it as a other world showcase. Okay. So you are getting a, it's like a little like, it's much like the, yeah, you're going to Norway and you're going to learn some stuff about Norway, but it's that for Xandar across the galaxy. And we can talk about some other stuff in there,

but while we're talking about the scene starring the film separately players right um uh the i i mean yeah we didn't get to see it in person but re-watching i think like uh that is a criticism that i have is that the if that's the joke that he can't wait to go do all the stuff that he did as a kid there's no payoff of that joke there's no part where somebody's like oh uh somebody nudges him and like hey bad news star lord um there's no like um the other person doesn't exactly like do a double take of like uh oh we got a little bit to talk about we'll be right back right um there's no acknowledgement if that's

the joke it doesn't work they don't telegraph that joke whatsoever. It's probably because they wanted to nod to stuff, but then somebody looked at the copy and was like, we can't admit that people might be sad coming to Epcot. Yes, yeah, yeah. And we can't acknowledge this thing that we've let these... I feel like a lot of Epcot stuff got yanked out kind of coldly and without the realization

that people grew up with these things and cherish these things. Right. And this is a fun way to acknowledge all that, but they don't want to acknowledge the other side of it, which is the sadness and the fact that they do want to keep trotting out figment for everything but improving the awful scourge of a ride that he is the star of currently yes i think that's probably what

happened where it was like i'm sure somebody was like oh yeah and then he'll say oh but actually the rides aren't here anymore star lord i have one note for this um and this was this was we were dis twitter canceled for this for making fun of this for daring to make fun of this scene where all of the actors are not looking at the same eye line and chris pratt keeps looking off at a second direction almost as if that is where the teleprompter is and you maybe kind of feel that chris pratt has i don't know never heard of any of the things he's mentioning until the second that he's saying them. I have one note here that would help.

You can't help all that, and none of it is that bad. Look, we're teasing. It doesn't drive anybody crazy or anything. Could you get one more take where he doesn't say the veggie veggie fruit fruit? That's the problem. I can't wait to see Horizons and the, and then he really slows down.

And the universe of energy dinosaurs. He could not, he was not keeping those words in the right order in his head. The dinosaur universe, the energy of dinosaur universe. And then he gets to, and here, the veggie veggie fruit fruit who would ever say it that way with the that's the strangest grammar nobody says like

you're right but I kind of like it I can't wait to hear the it's a small world because it's kind of funny because like it's almost like what your grandma would say if you had been to Epcot 30 years prior and she's like what was that song the veggie veggie fruit fruit song that was a nice song you're right but i think you're giving grandma too much credit that grandma would even

remember that much she'd go like remember the fruit concert well yeah that's true the also you know when it came out online it was in like full hd red camera whatever. In the ride, it's like vertical screens and it's got a million filters on it. It's a little maybe glitchy or hazy. Yeah, the treatment's kind of interesting. I didn't even know. I didn't even really, we just went by it so fast. I caught it as we were like leaving the room.

I was like, oh, that's the thing. We just passed that part. Yeah, yeah. I did see the little, I didn't make the connection to Leia. I kind of got what they were going for in the line, which is there's a little model of the Xandar capital, and they play clips of Walt doing the Epcot movie, the Epcot TV presentation.

Are there Walt clips in the Q&A? There are Walt clips, yeah. Trying to make the connection of like, oh, our home planet is much like this experimental city he wanted to build. And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's kind of, I kind of like that. The Easter egg, I really like that.

I did not pick up on until I read about it and then watched the clips. The electric, there's a moment where the guardian ship is going by the giant celestial who has taken the cosmic generator mcguffin and the electric guitar song that's playing is an electric guitar cover of the original universe of energy song i saw that mention and then i was listening really hard for it and it is hard to to parse it's not like the most i didn't notice it when i was there i didn't notice it when i was there but watching it enough times i could hear it is it in the is it before the

launch or is it uh yeah it's right before the launch the ship goes by and he's like what is that noise okay and star lord says a line about like rock and roll yeah you can't there's a little like guitar like kind of a whaley version yeah yeah yeah um yeah i think this wonders of xandar construct is pretty clever and it's a fun nod to epcot history in a way to justify it being in in epcot um i what i do find funny is how okay so because there was all when this got announced there was all of there was there was an energy of the announcement of this ride that was like we're gonna do a marvel ride and okay but but but but but but but but It's going to acknowledge the history, you see? And it's going to be, we're going to edutain as well. And it's going to be kind of like an old Epcot pavilion, you see?

And, and, start Peter Quill. He went to Epcot. He was there. He was there. So this is going to be fine. Don't worry. Don't worry. It all reminded me of like, I was trying to come up with the right scenario of what it,

the tone of it felt like to me, which is like, imagine that like, there's like a parent who's getting up there in age who has like their house that's their special house that they want to keep, you know, where I raised the family and I want to keep it in the family. And, you know, in the autumn years, the kids go to the parent and say like, we will never, the house, we know, we know the house is special to you it's important and we will never let it go because that's because the house is who you are and we promise that we will and as soon as the death happens like all right flip it sell it for two million sell it to some company hey all right let's split that up all right we did it

but they have to do, because we know. We know Epcot important to you. We know that it is. And we would, that legacy, that's why we edutain. We don't just entertain, we edutain. And Peter Quill was there. He went as a boy. Your mother and I love each other very much, but.

But, and this isn't your fault. We are not, and our universe of energy going is not because of you. It's not because you put too much stress on this park, okay? And don't ever think that. You're describing that situation that I said,

and then what you're describing is coddling somebody during a period of bad news. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or during a period, yeah, yeah yeah yeah or during a period yeah yeah the other one was like if imagine that like they're gonna take all right that right near williamsburg virginia they want to like build like a ross and a five below yeah and they have to go meet with the residents and do a dog and pony show for two years and go like and that's why we will honor

the that we are going to call it Founding Father Crossings. So it's going to make all the sense here in Williamsburg because we acknowledge the history and we celebrate it. And look, there's going to be, we're going to do it with like big columns. There's columns there, just like Washington Monument has. History. So we celebrate history here at Founding Father Crossings. And then it's just this awful place with a Costco. Disney's America next to the Manassas Battlefield

full of bullets and bones. It is exactly that. It is them having to say, and we know people died on this ground, and that's why we will honor them, and we will put a grave satona for figment in this ride. You can honor figment on your way into the roller coaster. Bring flowers for figment.

You can do that every day. Bring purple flowers to figment's grave. We will never stop that at the security line. The figment, Jane and I did ride journey into imagination and we when we were getting off we saw the figment photo spot and they're like oh well figment will be out in 20 minutes and we looked around there's no one in line i was like i guess the five hours waits dissipated pretty quickly that was a day one and we like, we are running out of time. We do not want to wait for 20 minutes. We are running out of time.

Oddly proportioned figment. Anyway, I don't say all that to say, like, I don't know that I think it's just funny that they had to do that and that people bought it to some extent. And then you get in and what it is is like, it's kind of a fake Epcot

pavilion and there's this one scene where it is is like it's kind of a fake epcot uh pavilion and there's this one scene where chris brad is saying words he doesn't understand yeah okay we good we good with that um and i don't i don't know what side i take in this exactly i guess i take the side that like isn't it better for everyone if there's a big ride in epcot center that everybody's going to and doesn't that create more traffic that goes to the classics and to the old school ones like Spaceship Earth? Right. Living in the land.

Like, isn't that your better way to get new, to get fresh blood and a different audience to the old school vibe of Epcot that remains? Yeah. Well, that's the larger Epcot question that seems to be debated by, I don't know, I would assume it's a small percentage of theme park goers online. I think most people go there

and they go, what's a good ride to go on? It's this one. Okay. Oh, like that movie we liked. Okay. Yeah. Yes.

Well, hang on. Does this tie into a broader theme? Does this fit into the vision that Walt Disney had years ago? Well, having seen the movie, I think the thing that kind of stuck with me, I haven't watched the third movie yet. I heard there was some animal experimentation, so I'm kind of building it up. I'm kind of bracing myself for that. Oh, God.

High evolutionary. It's too complicated to explain. I understand kind of why it myself for that. Oh, God. High evolutionary. It's too complicated to explain. I understand kind of why it's in there. But the thing with Guardians, and especially the Peter Quill character in general, there's a lot about him being melancholy for Earth because he had this whole childhood, and then he was abducted

you know and and his connection is all the pop music it's all the pop music it all starts with the death of his mother correct yes yes and and so i he is a character that occasionally there's some sadness to and i guess that's all of the Guardians characters are all kind of drawn together by their, you know, hard times in the past. And that got me thinking, I'm like, oh, this is another thing that connects him to Earth in oh my god it's so different and it's not even teaching me anything about the motor vehicle industry yes i don't i don't get to know what new vehicles general motors has for 1990 my look i'll say this about it i think you're correct do i wish that they could have just kept up all the different dark rides that were edutainment and horizons? Do I wish horizons was all open? Of course.

Do I wish they had just plussed up World of Motion and made it cooler and kept it? Yes, I do. And then added rides around. Let me on the record say I completely agree with you. I think the Epcot not doesn't start with guardians cosmic rewind the epcot problem starts with taking out horizons in the old school and an original journey maybe primarily yeah that's yeah that all feels like it was done in a real short-sighted way yeah and that guts that completely guts the history of the park because again we want a

mix of these places to be things you got to go on as a kid that have been plussed up and kept in good shape and then new cool crazy stuff uh that's just like state-of-the-art so that's kind of gone at epcot other than spaceship earth and i living with the land um but that like that's that's sort of your two things there that like you went on if you were a kid in the 80s or 90s. And look at the struggle, though, too, that they wanted to do the plus up of Spaceship Earth, and then it's X'd budgetarily. And let me say this. All right, everybody get your anger rising.

I know that there's all this love for living with the land, but don't you feel like it could be kept up a little bit? Of course it could. I'm looking at literal- That's all Epcot. There's big patches of dust in that thing. I was pointing out- Yes, Epcot is tired of many places. There's many even old brooms lying around, which is why I like seeing that they do a holiday overlay.

I'm like, that's something. And again, I think people are mad at me about living with the land but if you go back a lot of my argument is like what do we have here we've taken away the old song that was good we've taken away the live uh tour guides and i think you just do some past that's like improving it aesthetically lighting is better uh i'm sorry about like corn kid and bean boy and all those people but maybe that could all be a little brighter like does it detract from the current living with the land to brighten it and freshen it by 10 yeah i mean all the plants look great

they certainly keep those up hey better they're new they're as fresh as can be. I thought the forest scenes looked really good this time. I will say, I think I've underrated the beginning of the ride because I was on there. I was trying to like it more. I was trying to see what everybody sees. I liked the beginning of the ride more. I was, however, explaining some things to Living with the Land newbie, Griffin Newman, and he would say things like, what's up with that window up there? Is that just like an office?

Like, why is that there? I said, no, that's up with that window up there? Is that just like an office? Like, why is that there? I said, no, that's a restaurant that overlooks the ride. And then I said, well, that used to be a revolving restaurant that has not revolved for many, many years. That doesn't sound good, does it? There's all these things that are like, oh, that used to be that way. That used to be that way.

Here's a theory. That the living with the land outrage, people are clinging to living with the land so hard these days because there's not much left. Right. Yeah. It's something. And I can appreciate that.

If Horizons is still around or World of Motion were still around, you might be able to get away with your living with the land slander in that world. This is all we have how dare you come for i'm not asking for the ride to be that's the vibe out i'm not asking for it to go away yeah i just like i think that like i i feel like that like a budget that would go to like a a healthy like a haunted house display in somebody's front yard i think that for ten thousand dollars that's a very expensive house i know but you know what i'm saying i think for not a haunted house display in somebody's front yard. I think that for $10,000,

that's a very expensive house. But you know what I'm saying? I think for not a lot of money, I think everybody could kickstart the level of improvement that Living with the Land needs. Here's what, I don't want this to spiral out of control here,

but I will say this unless we're going to do a full another Living with the Land episode. You might need to. It's one of those that keeps regenerating. I will say this as and yes i was checking uh for fast pass or genie plus on the boat but i was for acknowledging i'm sorry i it was voted you it was very important though what i was doing it was i i was trying to optimize

the day i was optimizing that up you know it was a big pain in the ass to get it set up so i was trying to optimize um but I'll say this. The first part, even though it's not sort of kept up, it still is the vibe. It's still got the old school vibe, dark ride wise. Who is it? Somebody, I apologize if this was, maybe this was Kevin Tully.

Somebody was saying that it feels like the, there's like a natural history museum vibe. Yes. Which I totally like. It would be better with the song i agree but the smell the way it's all set up like you cannot ever recreate that so i was like i i like this when it gets to the lab part and the plants uh it's anticlimactic it's it's just like wow it's just like wow listener quote put a quote around that give it to Mike Carlson

take some heat away from me please it's burning up over here I believe this though I believe that if the listeners think about this themselves they will find it in their heart they don't have to say it I will take the bullet for this you don't have to admit it but deep in your hearts you know that the dark ride portion is the part worth saving is the good part the other part

is fine it's just that it's it's what what is this we're looking at plants and they say oh you can eat a burrito that has this bean in it like i like i feel like i'm getting a full body massage right now what you were to the weight you were taking off of my i'm just saying that i feel like I'm getting a full body massage right now. The weight you were taking off of my shoulders. I'm just saying that the listeners know. I feel like you're taking a bullet for me, Mike, and I appreciate it. Well, yeah, you don't have to thank me. I'm just saying that if the listener, they might have some affection for this part of it. But obviously the magic is in the first half of the ride.

We got to kick it right to Jason because you're the only audience surrogate here in this argument. I like that portion. I think it's very relaxing i think it's you know theme parks is so stimulating having a nice boot ride you're getting what i i find uh you know i am a full believer of like more greenery more water features it's good for the human brain and And I think the ending films and stuff, that is the nostalgia that people are clinging to. I'm not talking about the films. I'm talking about just being in the lab part where it's all the things growing in the greenhouse.

Well, we didn't have time for the behind-the-scenes tour. Seeds. Seeds tour. I was back at the hotel, and I found out they were selling plants, little succulents or little seedlings from the ride you could buy at the exit, and I missed that because I would have – I'm a little plant boy. I got plants on my balcony. I would have totally bought one of those back.

I know airports are a little weird and then bring it on a plane that sounds tough well i think domestically it's well yeah it's tough to pack but i know internationally they're very much of like oh don't bring that apple but into australia you know but if they said we're getting rid of the part where you're watching plants grow and we're building more sort of dark ride that will show like different ways that people harvest crops. There's different like future ways that we want to showcase, but it's going to be in the style of the old part. First part of the ride. Would that not be better?

I don't know, because I feel like this is one of the few remaining pavilions that does fulfill the promise of like... Well, the fish... It's the land... I shouldn't cut you off. The fish, I think the fish tank definitely... The fish tanks, you know, while there are fish in them, we did see someone working with the fish. That's looking a little long in the tooth, you know? Well, that's Epcot in general in those tooth you know that's a little beat up those old sections

because they haven't kept it up i think what i was going to say sorry is that like i think you're i i see all this this all makes sense to me it's one it's an original epcot that is about learning i think there's a way to preserve that without uh it being so dry and maybe that finale could have maybe more of a finale would definitely more of a finale but i just like the climax of the ride is just going in an open air greenhouse in a lot of way like the last half of the ride is mostly just like going by oh like a strawberry that you're going to be able to eat a tart later like with a sign like it's just not as engaging as the first part of the ride which is gives you the epcot feeling

that you're looking for you're looking for that dry old school dark ride which i chase on a lot we we talked about all i think all of the old school short supply especially in epcot i think we got i'm telling you the the solution is ten10,000, and it's not putting the Marvels in it. It's not what I want. It's not what I—I swear. It's like better lights, and then maybe at the end, there's kind of some flashing lights you go through. I'm not a complicated man. And maybe it's cleaning up some of the dust in one of those black tunnels.

That's all. I swear, audience, I'm not trying to take this right away from you. A little bit of set. A little bit of theatricality, I think you're asking for. And it's a little bit of restoring it for the future and polishing it up to how it probably looked on October 1st, 1982.

Well, yeah, I think, too, there's been so many advances in plant-based cuisine. Like that food court and that revolving restaurant, it's still all very like literally meat and potatoes. I'm going to say this right now. Some of the bad feelings that I

get from the living with the land experience in general are from that bottom floor of the land. Oh, I completely agree with that too. It's awful there. It's so stressful. You can feel the stress of everybody trying to get on Soarin'. It feels like an airport down there. It's one of the most unpleasant parts of Disney World. That restaurant has awful signage, awful fonts,

and when you look at old pictures of how that pavilion used to be with the balloons, it was beautifully designed, beautiful colors. Restaurant used to be revolving. Now, truly, that is an airport terminal that you get to stand in while you wait to get on that. I agree. Yeah, and I think I'm the only one who's watched the Awesome Planet movie.

Yeah, I have not. I think I could do a second gauge. I have a lot of thoughts on Awesome Planet. Let's do Awesome Planet. We'll do Awesome Planet. We're going to do Awesome Planet. I'd love to do Awesome Planet. We're going to do all, hey, look, if we, hey, I'll cut you a deal.

We'll only do Awesome Planet if we hit symbiosis. Is that, that's the previous? That was a pre, yeah, yeah. That's the movie before the Lion King about pollution movie? You got it. How have we gone this long without doing all of these land movies? Good question. How have the listeners not found us and burnt us up with torches?

Real quick, I'll say the Living with the Land, I guess around the holidays, they decorate the greenhouse section. I was saying that, and that seems nice. I get it a little more. That's better. We saw the food and wine. They had placards with like, this is in this.

Mike has thrown that under the bus. Mike has now vocalized that it doesn't do anything for you to know that this grape is used outside. Yeah, it's just not. It's just like at least, you know what? Flip them around. Like, let me go in that part first and then let me go back in time and see the dark ride. Because that's obviously the more interesting part of the ride. I think you, Bill, I think there's some little finale.

I think Bean Boy's got to go. And there's just something that ties it all together that works for everyone, that brings together the dry and the people who want a little more. Yeah, I feel like the movie at the end could be updated. You can keep those little heads

in there. Is there even a movie? Well, the projections, just the screens. I feel like you could update that and still have those little guys pop up uh you're right keep the guys but brighten them up we're going on better technology we got better screens i i will i will share my thoughts more on awesome planet that's a good yeah i'm afraid

awesome planet syndrome would affect uh how about Okay, okay. How about they add robots behind the fruits and stuff and the robots tell you, like, you know, this tomato, you can eat it later in the tomato soup at the pavilion by- I-

Love that. Animatronics in the greenhouse would be awesome. Yeah. There's just something there to make that part more exciting. I don't think that ruins it for anyone i don't we'll see i don't know we saw someone in the lab doing tests and people like

i've heard people clap when they see someone in there working and it is nice to see someone doing that because there is work done in there i mean, I think, has the most, like, scientists actually doing stuff because you have to keep those animals alive, God willing. Yes, that's true. You know, and healthy. Okay, well, if I could cosmic rewind us back to the ride in question today. This ties in, I think, to the Epcot educational thing and something you mentioned earlier, Jason. They, all right.

So, and they, okay. Let me ask you both this. Have you, have either of you watched the recent Behind the Attraction, season two of Disney Plus's Behind the Attraction and there's an episode about Epcot. Have either of you seen that? No, I haven't.

No. Well, first of all, I know you've seen some of Behind the Attraction. Yes. Of course, it's this great show where they get interviews with some of the greatest minds and artists of the century, and they use editing to make it look like they are numbskulls. Well, there's also sound effects. There's also like a boing, oing, oing.

They do use sound effects as well, yes. And so the Imagineers hatched yet another brilliant scheme. Uh, scratch his nose. Like, yes, no, human beings do do regular stuff when they're on camera sometimes. Thanks for noticing behind the attraction people but anyway it's this big like uh you know they it is nice at least on like it tells you how much i want to see all this stuff like i endure this show just to see the old footage of these things and there's good old epcot footage and they pay tribute to some of the classic rides but then like the what they're in the like looking forward part where they that's essentially plugging Cosmic Rewind.

And this is more of that like maybe classic fan coddling. They try to convince you that where this ride came from was we need to look. The dinosaur ride is great. Right. Ellen's energy adventure is great. We all can agree on that. But it's maybe getting a little long in the tooth. So is there a better way that we could tell a story about energy?

And we talked to a theoretical physicist who said, you know, what I think would be a good ride is a ride about the Big Bang and how the Big Bang. And yeah. Well, how would you use the power of storytelling to see how the big bang and occurred and uh and then ultimately led us to like you know what would be an interesting way to do it is with these characters with the guardians of the galaxy this is bullshit i call bullshit on every second of this there is no way this didn't start with let's do a guardians ride there's they're really trying to help you like let's pull you in step but no, no, no. We wanted to do Big Bang. We wanted to edutain about Big Bang. I admittedly did not know it was the Big Bang launching you backwards until I read the Wikipedia story of the ride.

You didn't know it when you were on it, right? I just figured it was one of many MCU explosions. Sure, yes. Now, when you look back, Glenn Close does talk about the Big Bang in her opening spiel. So it's there, but it is one of those things you gotta go back and think about a little. And that's fine. I don't object to it. And they're right.

A Big Bang, being launched backwards by the Big Bang, great. I just don't buy the story that the foundation foundation of this was a big bang you know what isan the celestial wants to destroy some stuff there's a here's what i'll say because i remember now reading that there was an idea for a big bang coaster now okay was it the tv show the big bang theory i? I don't think. I don't know. That's maybe owned by different people. But it's possible there was an idea floating around for a Big Bang ride. I believe that. I'll give them this because remember how it seems very convenient, but this whole backstory where Cars Land came out of Car Land, that there actually was a route 66 themed area in progress and they just hadn't connected the dots and wait you should talk to pixar because they're making a movie

and that all seems like such crazy coincidence i guess that is possible but the idea of like you know what we thought was a good idea instead of it was a corporate mandate these characters need to be in the park immediately they're the only marvel characters we can use we need to make some money on rocket plushes like that part where it's like this was purely a creative decision is obviously stretching it's a way we can tell that story oh a roller coaster i guess in epcot i suppose well only if we make sure the audience knows that it's because we're only doing it because the story mandated that we do it yeah yeah that part yes that feels like uh Disney will not

rewriting history I think the reality also be that oh Mission Breakout with its randomized songs was a big hit what if we did different randomized songs on this coaster in Florida you're right they're absolutely somewhere in there. It must have been like this quickie overlay that we did has been received unbelievably well. So how quickly can we get something moving that's from the ground up that vibe? And shocking to me that they didn't just retheme the Tower of Terror in a lot of ways. Because of how, I'm glad, I'm happy about it. But I, just success wise,

I'm sure they were even expecting more people to be upset after the fact. They must have known that somehow that's a bridge you don't cross.

Yeah, I guess. That the studios one has to stay Twilight Zone. I mean, it makes more sense thematically for where it is just because that's a,

I think people like, even though Rock and Roller Coaster is next to it. It doesn't really. But it does make much more sense thematically for where it is just because that's a I think people like even though Rock and Roller Coaster is next to it and it doesn't really yeah but it does make much more sense Hollywood old Hollywood new Hollywood I know what's Hollywood Hollywood record but no one cares about the Hollywood in

California Adventure yeah no one cares about that part of it oh yeah yeah yeah absolutely I want them to turn that into anything they want as soon as they want to versus like it would be weird it would be weirder in Hollywood Studios. Yeah, and then they did tie it in. I like that they reverse engineered it and then built Avengers Campus, and now you can go in that way.

When it was odd, definitely it was, all right, it's a Hollywood street, and then in a corner there's one Marvel ride, and then it's next to Bugs Land. That was all a little strange. I don't get too, sorry to say, bugged out by any of this. And I also think, like, in terms of that Epcot coddling stuff, that, like, it does feel like it belongs in Epcot. Like, aesthetically, like, lead up, build it.

It does not feel like they just plopped a box that doesn't relate to anything into a park with a really specific vibe. I think they got it. They did a good job with the vibe. And I think Epcot needed a new E-ticket. I know Test Track is getting redone soon, which is good because it's the last time I rode it a couple of years ago. It's a little rough.

It's a little kind of feeling it's age. I think all the Tron stuff that they don't call Tron, but I think that glowing blue always looks good. I hadn't done it till, I went straight there on the Epcot day, did single rider on that. I'd never done the Tron version. Oh, okay.

I hear what you're saying. They probably got to tweak the ride mechanism. Yeah, there's some bumpiness, but it's a bummer. I'm glad it's happening. But obviously, there's like 10 things on the Epcot list I would rather have than Test Track. Yeah. I will also say this.

The vibe of Guardians just in the queue is right. Yeah. As soon as you walk in there, you go, yes yes i do feel this makes me feel a certain way and there's all right there's old epcot mainly just it's new it's really like polished and and sleek and clean and there's a lot of purple it's all i ask yeah i don't need a lot to me like you know you can parse what the epcot vibe is forever ultimately there's a lot of that and so and like just like sleek futuristic purple makes me feel enough like i'm in epcot yeah too it worked for me and and a substantial queue as well enough like a lot of stuff in it right when you get in

that big planetarium they call it the the galaxarium i think yeah um which has i think a half hour of new uh uh you know designs and whatever stuff planets and stuff to look at um we the way they're running it you don't really get stopped in there for a long time you don't really get to stop and look at almost anything you got all these like little like um uh hologram projection kind of things like the solo ones like here's just Crews, and I don't know what any of them say or what any of them are, and I may never, I apologize. Yeah, it's hard to catch them.

The great Glenn Close shows up in this ride, right? Yes. Yeah. Vin Diesel and Bradley Cooper do not- Not voicing their characters. Are not voicing their characters. Vin Diesel didn't do Mission Breakout either.

He's been out for a while. He learned it. He's like, he asked the original, how did they like me on the helicopter? Is everybody saying I'm cool? Yeah, sure. Can I look at the message board? No, no, no. Wait, wait, Vin.

Don't, don't. That's it. I'm never doing a ride again. Never doing a ride again. They could have just sent him a blue Yeti and a laptop, don't don't that's it i'm never doing a ride again we're doing a ride again they should have could have just sent him a blue yeti and a laptop and he could have done it well why do they need they could have used the dialogue oh right not like he has to record new dialogue they're true there's only they have enough emotions and inflections yeah so legally there

must be a reason yeah he just didn't like negotiate it and then yeah no Bradley Cooper which is very noticeable that was all I could talk about as we were going through some of the pre-shows yeah I didn't care nearly as much as you yeah well Griffin said I didn't bring it up until Griffin brought up I was like that was not Bradley Cooper and I was like

I agree yeah I know didn't sound anything like him but he is in California Adventure because California Adventure and the marketing, they're like, we took two days and filmed all this stuff on the set of Guardians 2.

Will this come up during the press of Maestro? Will somebody finally press him on? Where were you? Why are you not on the, why are you on the ride in California but not on the ride in Florida?

I don't know. I hope so. Yeah. I want to know. Yeah, yeah. Because he had to get in the booth for it. I understand like- He was wearing the nose when they needed him.

Oh, that might have been it. And the nose was going to mess up. It was going to make him sound nasally. You don't want like, all right, here's the plan. And he wore- That would have been different, yeah. He should have worn the snoot when he played Rocket, though, too, I think. He should have worn the snoot for when he played rocket though too i think he should oh yeah it's rocket snoot getting grief about not doing a ride and weird prosthetic

choices like my man can't win yeah well to be fair i mean yes i would say it's not equal grief for those things not equal grief no the nose is weirder it's a weird choice probably no one would have noticed if he just had his normal nose and they just did other makeup, you know? I think that's right. Hopefully. Yeah, so he's not... I do think I was looking at some

message boards and people were like, I think they're going to just replace it later. When they finally get him in the booth to do Rocket and they're going to replace it. This was a couple years ago. Maybe a year ago. As naive as could be. Somebody posted on posted on an under, it's not different, a year later. Oh, they found out there's no Santa Claus. They don't ever change rides. Why would they ever just swap in?

Like, why would they take a ride down to change audio tracks? Well, I don't know. They would have to take it down. I mean, you would just remaster the audio track and put it in. Don't forget they did record Vincent Price for Phantom Manor and then go in and take it away.

Right. That is true. Which now it's come back. Now it's back. But that's a bizarre. Why do you do that? Why do you have one of the last Vincent Price performances and then throw it in the garbage? There's a lot of head scratching decisions over the years um we should talk about the songs yes well here well hey i think you got a little more uh pre-show oh yeah we haven't really we haven't really talked about okay wait so all right here's the name nova prime irani real

yeah there we go there's our carry that's from the movies, right? Yeah, going close. But our original guy is Centurion Talmeric, and I did the spiel at the beginning. People of Epcot, Epcotters, Epcotians, citizens of Epcot. This has a real, like, oh, boy, I don't think they realized what they were doing in terms of how, if this is going to play nonstop every day for 30 years. Yeah.

This is kind of odd. It's like fine. But again, name check, Kevin Tully from Telethon. He said, I think before I went on it, like, or no, after he said like, did you, were people already doing Haunted Mansion Ghost Host for that? Were people like saying the Terry Crews lines along with it? And they were not. But listener, I wonder if you've experienced this, if people are already throwing this odd dialogue out.

I don't know. It's fun. I like him. Yeah, I like him too. It's nice to see him in an attraction. I think he's funny. But I might date it in the way that Ellen's energy adventure, a lot of that is very 90s comedy. Sure, sure.

Between her and Jamie Lee Curtis, right? I think she's in there. And Bill Nye. Yeah. All of whom I like. I mean, I don't think that strongly about Ellen either direction, but I love Jamie Lee Curtis and I grew up loving Bill Nye. If you like Ellen so much, you should get a job working

for her. Oh, yeah. Well, I do know somebody who got a BISA. I mean, the crew got beach cruisers one year. I do know that. That's nice. Pretty good. You put up with it, you get beach cruisers. What's the cost of a beach cruiser? But then you get acquainted with a couple things.

It would take two and a half million years to get to Xandar. So they're not going to get you to Xandar. But the way you can jump around in space is with the cosmic generator. And there are jump points, artificial tunnels that act as shortcuts linking distant points in space. And that is how people, if you have that, you're able to get to Xandar and then back to Earth very quickly.

So, you know, that's what they're, this is about, it's about science. It's about Big Bang. It's about cosmic generators and jump points. Jump points.

We're teaching, a lot of kids grow up without ever learning about jump points. That's right. Yes, they, jump points, I guess that is from the movie. But yeah, you could have, I guess you could have, a wormhole is kind of a concept that is a real concept. Whether it's been proven or not. I mean, I like that there's an all new thing. It's just funny that they're like, it's still learning.

It's still science. And yes, most of it is faking from Xandar. Of course. It's there. Look, it's Saturday. It could work. But you do get to use like a little jump point. And you jump up to your,

Terry Crews lets you know you're going to be teleported to a Nova ship that is hovering up above Earth. So you get to right next to the Earth, the space restaurant in Epcot, which we didn't get to do. I know. I forgot. There's too much. There's so much to do when you go back now.

No episode about that. Not yet. But you get to do a little jump. And that leads to, so you're brought into this teleportation room that's kind of clinical and a little bit like kind of a tight room and everybody crowds around the center, but then the cosmic generators going nuts. And then is that what that is? I don't know.

Or it's a separate. I think so, yeah. Sure, why not? Anyway, lights go out, power goes down, it's black for a couple seconds and then you look around and you're in a whole other room. This rules. It's great. It's really good.

I didn't know there was this. I didn't either. I stayed away from most of the videos. I saw little clips, but yeah, I stayed away from this. So this was a shock to me. Yeah. This is, now I don't know if they do it in the same way, but we've spoken about how apparently the effect in the Star Trek experience at the Vegas Hilton was very impressive and that there was a lot of like,

how did they do that? And I wonder if it's the same thing, which in this case is, spoiler, is ceiling going up into the rafters rather than the walls going up. You mean? Yeah. I was going to say ceiling.

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Like it shoots up. Yeah. I don't know about that star trek illusion that everybody talks about being so cool um but yeah this was very effective

i first i didn't think oh the walls must be in the ceiling or anything like it's just such a good illusion yeah yeah i don't know how they did it but it's great and that that uh spaceship is quite grand and a big like space vista dis Disney's real good at this right now. Again, haven't been to the space restaurant, so I haven't seen that. But that's a big old space screen, a lot of good space screens in Rise of the Resistance. It seems like one of the better elements probably of the dearly departed Galactic Star Cruiser. Love the space screens. Keep it up, everybody.

Yes, great space screens. Keep it up, everybody. Yes, great space screens. The screens on Mission Breakout, too, I find very good, where you look and you see the Guardians in the collection. Yeah. In that giant facility. That still looks good, yeah. It still looks really good six years later. And Bean Boy deserves that level of screen. This is what I, let's get Bean Boy.

18K. Whatever the sphere is in. Whatever sphere is in. Yeah, yes. Resolution wise. Let's get Bean Boy. We know the technology exists. Bean Boy and sphere.

Let's get Bean Boy and sphere. Let's get them on the sphere. Sure. Let's get Bean Boy and Tomato Girl. Okay, sure. Absolutely. I got nothing against them. All these great, the veggie, veggie, fruit,ie fruit fruit boys and girls let's get them wherever

they deserve to be um and uh also it's you know it's it's a good thing that this teleportation works so well because it's you know our he's not sure he's never transported earthlings before but our molecular structure is very similar to zandarian so it's not a big challenge so lucky that works out that's nice um but But then how quickly is something going wrong? Pretty quickly. Do guardians show up because something went wrong or do they just show up to say hey? I think because something goes wrong.

That's the chronology. And now we're having power struggles on the ship and nobody knows. And there's also some effects in play with the cosmic generator because that's in some tube that's next to where the guardians all show up uh and it it's there but then it's not there and they wonder what happened to it and there's a kind of funny line about like well what happened to well maybe i don't know maybe it's that big guy outside the ship and then a very like, like, okay, Marvel people.

Eson, this is new. There's no Eson anywhere else. Wait, no, Eson is a celestial. He's a celestial. In other media? Yes. Okay. In a movie or in, where do you see?

Is he in the Eternals? I haven't seen the Eternals yet. I'm behind on a lot of my Marvel stuff. Yeah. I saw the first half hour of the Eternals before the hardest sleep I've ever had in my life. The Celestials are ones where it's like they're crazy, giant god, godlike creatures.

They're like sun. They feel like people crossed with suns. They're big sun beings. Yeah, very cool Jack feel like people crossed with suns they're big sun beings yeah very cool jack kirby designs in the comics that in the movies these are the celestials from very pop party in the comics in the movies they're fine i like these on in the ride i like the designs of jack kirby more than maybe the live action celestials the war ragnarok had the most kirby design there's some good kirby background especially background stuff and there's a celestial masks in um uh mission breakout mission breakout those look pretty good those look cool yeah um as a as a not a marvel fan

some of the disconnect i've had is like i I saw first Avengers, enjoyed it fine, but I didn't necessarily think I would like 30 more movies in this aesthetic unchanging in any way. Well, that's a, yeah, I think the fun, as I've said many times, probably the fun of the comics to me is always, or any doing anything that's been around for decades. The fun of it is having somebody with an interesting point of view doing their take on it so you know you you would get then you end up after decades and decades of like oh there's like 10 cool x-men runs with different art and a different vibe and a different voice different style same with batman there's so many different versions of batman yeah so the thing with the marvel movies is they've tried so hard to make them all feel the same. Yeah. Which, after so many of them, it's like, let them do a different thing. Yeah, really.

I don't like that. Or any of them, am I wrong? Have I missed one that's like, actually, this one really stands out? Well, I think that's why the Guardians movie stood out, because it was kind of, I don't want to say blank slate characters, because there was certainly interesting material to draw on, but in terms of the movie you had one guy with a specific voice applying it to these interesting

performers. You feel a little more James Gunn in those than you do I think on some of the other movies but I do think they still all have like this I don't know if there's actually a sheet that says there's a mandate but it all feels like well there has to be seven action sequences in these things or every eight minutes there has to be seven action sequences in these things or every

eight minutes there has to be an action sequence and you're like that's fine sometimes but like some of these characters you could just have it be a little talky and then there's like a big ending or something it just feels like there's still there's a very specific roadmap that everybody has to follow when making these things and the tv shows have tried to deviate to some degree from one vision seems different and that was different yeah so like maybe they have a little more leeway there but it's like i think it's they're trying to like keep everything feeling the same which i think is also a kind of an overthink because like well how will uh viewers accept like the Christian Bale Batman in a movie with a different tone or like with Ezra Miller Flash.

Like that's just such different universes and it's like, I think the reality is the audience doesn't care if the movie's cool. Yeah, no one cares. It'd be great. I love it. Somebody from one universe

showing up in a totally different one sounds awesome. Yeah. That's the problem is that when Clooney, spoiler, when Clooney Batman shows up, you're like, that's not him. That's George Clooney. That has nothing problem is that when Clooney, but spoiler, when Clooney Batman shows up, you're like, that's not him.

That's George Clooney. That has nothing to do with Joel. That is not a bunch of, that's not Joel Schumacher landing in this boring 2023 movie. So it is like, I wish the movies, I wish people that were making the movies really got to do what they wanted. It's like running Edgar right off of ant-man to me is a very proof that like yeah they have a different agenda than like making sure everything like has its own unique voice and is

cool and like they would like you could pick any cool like filmmaker that like really has a specific voice and i feel like at the end of the day like marvel studios would be like no we're good we don't need you to make a unique movie for us we're more interested in making something that feels like the other movies yeah and well i think the ones like guardians or winter soldier or ragnarok the stuff that sticks with people is a little more personality or a little more character from the directors yes yeah um end game and infinity war i think stuck out because you got like that one it was just everyone well that's that's everyone that's sesame street meets the muppets it's scale yeah yeah so it's like you

throw enough sesame street characters meeting the muppet characters at me and it's done yeah yeah so it's like you throw enough sesame street characters meeting the muppet characters at me and it's done in like an interesting way i'm like i'm gonna be entertained i'm gonna enjoy it yeah if you know if the characters are doing it so yeah those are and i assume when secret wars comes out in a couple of years and you just have like jackman and toby mcguire hanging out i wish i assume that's what the movie will be your prayer my brain was really that's cool I like watching those care like I like that so yes but you will never get your dream of Han Solo hanging out with Wado or Dexter Jettster yeah no I won't but but what you were saying are like Fantastic Four

and x-men do have like their own self-contained universes, their own rogues gallery. Yeah, yeah. And that is like, if you want to juice these movies a little, it's like, well, bring in all this, you know? Right, which is like- Sure, they're trying.

We'll be doing- Whatever else they have. Yeah, yeah. Who got cast as Mr. Fantastic? One of the five actors- Pedro Pascal is the word right now I like him Sure yeah

I mean I like everybody I love everything I love everybody So I would love it if They could Just really make the movies very different feeling. Yeah.

Because that would be cool. But yeah. But here, you know, like, okay, so let's see. We're on evacuation shuttles is what the ride vehicle is sold as. Now we're on like a ship that's losing power. So there's red lights. There's a panic air you move from teleportation room or from the ship rather post-teleportation room to the like uh evacuation area slash coaster

loading zone very quickly that's nice it's a fun you pass by a window and go oh there we go that room looks good i'm excited to be in there uh um there's a real like space mountain times five kind of like that's when we're descending down into the load zone coaster vehicles look cool the ride vehicles themselves besides that they spin and everything so cool really sharp a little like battle worn and just the right amount

good color scheme love it I want to go on it right now describing it to me like I feel I'm wistful I I feel wistful. The Xandarian ship in front of the building, I like a lot, too. Oh, yeah, yeah. I like that choice. With a plaque from Nova Prime, like, that's clever.

I didn't see the plaque. That's cool. Okay. Yeah, and then you load up, you go up, that lift hill is fantastic. I don't know how to describe what the lift hill is, but just with those kind of like curved brackets and then screens that are rapid fire cycling through. That's an exciting buildup.

It's pretty good seeing like big screens with the Guardians, my friends from the other ride and no other media. It's like Rex. I was trying to do the math of when you, are you in the other building past that lift hill, or is that at the launch? And I believe it is the launch. I think that you're not in building two until the launch.

I believe that's right. When you look at it from afar, and you of this weird little tunnel that connects to you yeah it's kind of exciting to see the architecture from outside and like oh wow yeah that's just that's purely a launch tunnel there yeah look how much we god we haven't even gotten over here yet um that room you go through kind of like a jump point tunnel cool lights there it all feels more to the argument of like a lot of Marvel things have similar aesthetics I do get

I fuzz out on like this explosion versus this explosion versus this sky beam versus but that I think that jump point tunnel is cool I'm seeing how like the Guardians aesthetic is a little more specific and a little more defined, a little more colorful. Yeah, very colorful for sure. Then this really cool room where you do a big horseshoe.

And that's kind of the first. It's the room that serves to flip you around, where you stay focused on Eson and the Guardian's ship. And it doesn't look as good. It really doesn't read in ride videos. Yeah, it doesn't. Because cameras, phones and stuff can't adjust the exposure correctly. So you can see the screens. You can see the ceiling.

You can see the track. In the room, it's immaculate in there. It's so cool. And you may not even realize that's what the track is doing. And maybe you don't even catch that you're looping around at that moment. But then you get some really great Guardian's Cheese, which is the line, no one can stop rock and roll from existing. Yeah.

And that's the Universe of Energy electric guitar cover. Which on the ride, I just thought that was like, that just read to me as copyright free. It's like Bohemian Rhapsody. Rock and roll music. Yeah, yeah. And before that, I believe it's the Guardians theme. Is that correct, Mike?

I believe so. Yeah. I always get the Guardians theme and the Avengers theme confused. They're pretty close. Do you think there was ever a time when they had it in the copy that it was just going to say rock and roll will never die? Because, I mean, I understand why they're saying existing is going back in the past. And you could like. Yeah.

No, death is the opposite. Death is the end. This is like never. It's just rock and roll will never die. It's such a cooler thing to say. Well, Universal. It's not applicable to the entertainment. Universal has the monopoly on the phrase,

death is only the beginning, which has shown up in an unusually large number of attractions over there. Which theme park has the rights to Neil Young's Hey, Hey, My, My, Rock and Roll Can Never Die or Will Never Die? He's very anti-corporate, but he gives it out to theme parks, no problem. He was trying to get a song on this, and they didn't take it, really. What about Neil Young's Rockin' Roller Coaster? How about that?

Oh, because Shop Joe sells Pono's. Overstock Pono's. Oh, yeah, it's Pono's. It's mostly his $500 uncompressed music software. But we don't have Neil Young. What we do have is a great bevy of other song selections. Rock and roll, no one's going to stop rock and roll from existing. Then there's a little like, everything like,

all this momentum is building and then it all sucks down to nothing. And the kind of, I really like that moment of, I think we went back. Zoe Saldana line. Yes, yeah. And then it's silent for a second. There's an eerily still moment before incredible launch sequence.

It's a similar moment to Star Tours when you shoot that, I forget which scene it is. It's the one with Boba Fett and his ship. Oh, yeah. And you shoot like a thing, or no, Boba Fett shoots it at you and there's like a brief like kind of

moment of silence and then this like massive explosion happens in space with like and you like shake and it's that cool you get a little moment. A little moment of silence but that doesn't have like a Blondie song playing suddenly. Well I hear you

yeah. Yeah it's true because what a great to like let it all die down so that uh some music can blast at you um i guess right before the music that launch itself is incredibly exciting i look so terrified on on the it's a really embarrassing ride photo and i uh as was tron and i get i think it's i think it's the unfamiliarity I think my first time on anything I just really and I don't even feel the panic but I look back and like oh that's bad that's really but it is the launch is something that's that's it's intense it's not near rock and roller coaster but it's a hell of a launch and I hadn't done a backwards launch before

it's yeah it's really cool it's not unpleasant didn't make me sick didn't make me uh too scared after the fact but it's uh it's intense and it's a cool tunnel you go through it's really cool it's not unpleasant didn't make me sick didn't make me too scared after the fact but it's intense and it's a cool tunnel you go through it's a great moment do you think you would be more like on rip ride rocket which is the vertical because again I would say like the launch is the ripping the bandaid off for me at this point still with any coaster it's like I

am not bothered by the launch it just it rattles my brain immediately and we're ready to go. I'm so much less so. It's one of those, you feel the time passage, how long we've been doing that. Honestly, the no launch queen feels really far in the rear view. Yes. And I'm not just saying that because I'm trying to shake that phrase off.

Sure. It just genuinely isn't something, it's something that I love that like, due to doing this podcast, it's like everyone, you guys, listeners, Matt Rogers, everyone helps me together to get over this thing. And now I get to go on rides like this. And I'm not like, because you were in the line with me. I wasn't like shaking, trembling. And I was really excited to do this ride.

I had zero nerves whatsoever. That's good. More intense coasters possibly. And I forget if I've said, I did not do VelociCoasters. So that is still, there's still some hills I have I forget if I've said I did not do VelociCoaster so that is still there's still some hills I have to climb before it too I sat out a Hulk this time we did Hulk last time oh I did Hulk yeah and

that's a very intentional launch and you immediately twist at the top of that hill and Hulk well just your brain will rattle around in your skull on the Hulk were you were asking about Rip Ride Rocket. Yeah, I'm just saying that I still, to this day, I'm very anxious, especially on like a completely vertical, slow climb. But I, yes, it's anticipation still for me that I get anxious. Well, look, and I don't, you know, I still am not very versed in Magic Mountain or other Six Flags or more coaster-based parts. I'm so based in the Disney Universal ones that I think I would constantly be like,

we're not done with this hill yet. There's no soundtrack. There's no onboard audio. What is this? What is this? I'm in coach. I only fly first class. Yeah.

Yeah, that'll happen. I'd be a snob, I think. It's also a mix of emotions when you're like, I was just loaded by a 16-year-old. My valuables are in like an Ikea bookshelf. I am trusting no one to steal them. But anyway, great launch, love the launch. Photos be damned.

Music. Sorry to cut you off when you started talking about music before. Photos be damned. Music. Sorry to cut you off when you said you didn't know about music before. Oh my God. I'm going to make this declaration. I think that just the list of songs, the musical selection here, I think all told is a better crop of songs

than Mission Breakout. At least for me, more songs that I specifically like and listen to regardless of being on a ride. I think it's a really kick-ass crop. Yeah, I think I agree with that. Okay. I think so. Yeah, not so controversial.

Let's talk about what we actually had, Conga. Conga! We got Conga. I was so excited about Conga. Okay, first of all, launch hitting me. Oh, my God, so I'm screaming at launch. Then that it is conga. Is on this. It really delighted me that you would hear this 80s Gloria Estefan song as the score of a roller coaster. That just seemed like the most fun to me. And apologies to Jane.

Jane on the way, Jane said, I just hope it isn't conga. And I was like, what? And she had her reasons. I'm like, okay. But then it made me like, it almost like, I was like, her spirit is going to her reasons. I'm like, okay. But then it made me like, it almost like, I was like, her spirit is gonna make it so we don't get conga. No.

And then we got conga and I was like, yeah! I think, I don't think she feels, I think she just thinks conga is a little overplayed. That's definitely true, yeah. But I associate it with a lot of early 90s late 80s disney parades and specials totally feel like so much yeah we're dancing at the the newly opened caribbean beach resort or whatever like a kid friendly pop hit when they didn't you when they didn't make music specifically for kids and teens,

and they just had to make do with the most clean songs that adults liked. Yeah. And Gloria Estefan and Emilio Estefan, kind of a long history with the resort, I feel, with that stuff, with appearances in the specials. There was, of course, the Bongos Cafe at Downtown Disney. For a while. For a long time, yes.

Of course, the greatest moment in Disney World history, Mike's performance with his mother. Which song was that? Was that 1, 2, 3? That was a 1, 2, 3, yeah. Come on, baby, say you love me. So that's a historic moment. Great concert performance.

And then she also made a little video of her and her family they shot a video of her and her family going on this ride and really funny seeing her say all right today we're going to zandar in the crossover of now gloria estefan being aware of uh right right this marvel mythology yeah and unfortunately they got tno. Yeah, sorry, there's no way to even, we can't custom do it. Sorry, Gloria. So anyway, it was the one I wanted for whatever reason. And then it gets you into this area where the ride, it's a roller coaster that is also kind of concert

because it is so loud and so disorienting and fun and such a party and i i'm like i'm like uh like pumping my arms the whole time i was watching the kid next to me to make sure i didn't hit him it's like let me bend over this way just so i can prop because my impulse was definitely to like just pump those arms the whole time. It was so fun. Yeah. I was laughing a lot on this. And Velocica. I was just so delighted by all the little- I know. Tricks and turns and all sorts of things.

Yes. It feels like, yes, I've never, yes, you've never been handled like this before. And the delight, you can't help but express it. Yeah. I'm being handled. I love how I'm being handled. The list of songs, September by Earth, Wind, and Fire,

Disco Inferno by The Tramps, Everybody Wants to Rule the World by Tears for Fears, One Way or Another by Blondie, I Ran So Far Away by Flock of Seagulls, and Congo by Miami Sound Machine. So, yeah, I wanted uh tears for fears sure because i was like that is an interesting vibe for a coaster that's there's not a lot of music on roller coasters that are songs that like give me feelings that's what i'm talking about yeah it's

moody it's like i put that on as kind of when i like want to feel you know so that's that is crazy that's crazy and that's especially in the last couple of years, I've listened to that song and I go, this is like one of the best constructed songs ever. Like it's because like that almost was just on so much when I was a kid that I didn't even think twice about it. I didn't care when it was like, if it would pop up on VH1,

I didn't give it the time of day, didn't I? Yeah, yeah. It's one of those where you need like a little time, you need to discover it on your own. And you go, oh God, this is a great. That and Head Over Heels both. Yeah, the vibes with those songs too. And you're like, if you really listen to it.

So when I heard that, that was one of the choices. I go, oh, God. Like I imagine I'm fantasizing about like being at Epcot, like at closing, alone on the ride. Maybe I'm sad for some reason. And like, I'm going on this and listening to that song, like blast.

You want to, you want to create a heavy experience for yourself. Yeah. That's how you get handled into a better headspace. Yeah. That was real. That's really intriguing to me. The idea that I could go on there and be in like a thrilling situation,

but be sad. And it's making me feel sad. And kind of a good cathartic maybe sad. I don't want something really to be wrong. It's like melancholy more than, or it's a mixed emotion more than, it's not a depressing song, but it's. Yeah, right, right. It's moody and it's just like you could bring,

it brings out a different feeling in yourself. And I just. I'd like to know what that feels like yeah yeah yeah that'd be if i want to go back if i could request a song for the second time doing it that would be my request yes yes yes for sure i have to say i agree with that but the one that caught me off guard watching it and i don't think i realized it was one of the songs was I ran so far away, activated a memory in my mind of driving around in Grand Theft Auto Vice City. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like stealing a car that comes on one of the radio stations.

And that was like one of the most awesome parts of the game. Sure. That's one that I will. That's not a song I actively listen to. And that almost feels like what Jane probably felt about Conga is like overused obvious I think about about that song but then but also that's very callous of me if you

if it wasn't so played a ton and kind of like a go to this is what 80s music is it's fucking great it is really good and I agree in watching some ride throughs I was like it's yeah it's not my favorite song on here on its own,

but matched with the ride aesthetics and the peril and the story. I thought it worked really, really well. Vice City, another Florida connection. Oh, yeah. Because it's supposed to be a stand-in for Miami. If they could have put Cortez the Killer by Neil Young on here,

that would have maybe been the best choice. If you really want to feel like you're in a sad haze, a moody haze, but I understand why they didn't. And you've got all those Randy Newman album cuts you want to hear. Oh, Randy Newman on a roller coaster. Is he on Rip Ride Rocket? Do we know? Is he on the Secret Menu maybe?

I don't know. Does he show up a little on Incredicoaster or California Screamin'? I don't think he has music. Does he have music in Incredibles? Probably the only Randy Newman you're getting is like, well, don't you hear it on Slinky Dog? You get the swinging version of You Got a Friend in Me the spinner ride in Toy Story Land that's all the techno revics

of Strange Things Are Happening to Me whatever it's called that's all over Samara Land actually a lot of Randy Newman in the parks if you think about it Toy Story Land sorry Toy Story Land you're not getting something what's your all right what's your randy newman coaster pick

oh my god that's a good question because do you want it to be as sad as possible baltimore ain't it hard uh uh yeah that's a good question i've talked about the song wandering boy that makes me cry anytime i hear it uh so maybe it's that you need to well you need to like meld some ride in your head that is that where you because you there's some stuff that you you clearly want to go through on a ride yeah so you need wandering boy that leads into your bravery has saved the plan you found this man's boy song about a family for me. Family about a son who goes like, I don't know, he has troubles and they lose contact with him.

And then after this part, he's like, you found his son. You found the man's wandering boy. Congratulations. And I go, oh my god, I did it. So do you think that's like, would that be good for like a wild mouse or more of like a more of a Dumbo kind of ride?

What are you thinking? Yeah, spinner. More of a spinner. A spinner ride. It is surprising there is not a fireworks show in DCA 1.0 with I Love LA or other California numbers.

Right. They got every California song they could think of. Mickey's Mix Magic, which I'm surprised I didn't force a second gate on uh which i really do like 2024 uh i don't know there are they doing it anymore i don't know i don't think so what is it it's like a light show on main street where they play like modernish sounding

music with like different projections on main street in what park uh in disneyland in disneyland and i've not noticed it whatsoever it's brutal out here and then it would end I think with We Belong Together which is Randy Newman from Toy Story 3 which is a nice little song so that's another Newman in the Park

Newman in the Park that's the second gate maybe now a close I said that my number two pick, if I could choose, would be Tears for Fears, but it's a close one. That only maybe barely nudges out September, which is a fantastic song.

Yeah. And I love that they're doing the, that they do play it all day. That's the only option on the 21st night of September. That's great. I think that would, I don't know. I mean, I just wanted the party vibe. There's a time and a place for the mood and for the feels,

but it's my first time, I want to party, so I think I would have been very happy with September as well. Yeah, I would have been happy with that too, yeah. Surprise watching ride-throughs. Disco Inferno works pretty well too. It adds the conga sort of party vibe. Yeah. Surprise watching ride through is Disco Inferno works pretty well too. It adds the conga sort of like party vibe. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think you can go wrong. And then the kid next to me said he was like conga is the worst one. Oh really? What's the best one? He said one way or another.

Interesting. Yep. I mean I'd say it'll be fun. This kid who is much more comfortable with the launch than me. Well that's always

what I look to whenever I'm doing something that's making me a little anxious. And I go, there's a 11-year-old boy in front of me. I go, surely you can handle this. Yeah. Yeah. You pay taxes. You pay rent. Because I knew.

Utilities. Yeah. And I yell at him. I go, I pay taxes. I pay taxes. I'll be fine on this, kid. Some years yell at him. I go, I pay taxes. I'm fine. I'll be fine on this kid. Some years I owe some. Some years I get a refund.

It's like living in a roller coaster. Yeah. Because when approaching Velocicoaster and I was like, it's going to be a little intense. And then like the thing pulls up and I go, it's half kids under 15 on this. I go, it's fine. I'll be okay. I got to do my best to make my boy one of those kids, but right now

at almost four, it's not looking great. He is his dad's son. So far, but I'm gonna see what I can do. Well, you never know. Yeah, well, Uncle Jason might take it to Magic Mountain and do a dozen slightly

off coasters. Alright, have fun with the boys. Jason and Mike traumatized him on Twisted Colossus. You take a seven-year-old through the sewer of souls and it really will open them up. It will make them really want to do new stuff.

That's for the uncles to do. A little graveyard pudding to put his mind at ease. Hey, and then afterwards, you're hanging around, deciding if you should leave or not, because there's a vomit in progress. Apologies. This was the first time in 38 years

I had ever been to a theme park with someone who was that nauseous. It never happened to me before. I was with some people who had trouble with Space Mountain one time. It has happened. I'm amazed it's never happened to me before. I was with some people who had trouble with Space Mountain one time. It has happened. I'm amazed it's never happened to me. I'm more afraid of it happening than it happening. But we're hanging around in kind of the post room, and you get a little surrender. You still got your classic rock band there.

That would have been great on the ride, too. Surrender would totally work. That would work great. Is surrender in the exit part of Mission Breakout? I don't know. I feel like it might be, but maybe I'm missing things out. I haven't paid a lot of attention to what's in there. And then there is some music we haven't talked about,

but you guys told me right before we started recording that they aren't doing it this year. Last year there was a holiday overlay, a Cosmic Rewind holiday remix, and they aren't doing it. Because I guess you were saying they are not promoting a new Guardians holiday special.

I don't know why they, because they still do the overlay during Halloween for Mission Breakout. So I don't know why. Yeah, so why would it be any, I don't know,

was it like poorly received in some way? Maybe. Is there a reason that we don't know about why they wouldn't want to do it? I think this is very cute too. They made the soundtrack Run Run Rudolph,

but they changed the lyric to Run Run Rocket. I think it sounds great, yeah. I don't know why. I heard it also incorporates other Christmas melodies in some way. I don't know. Maybe it's not. I don't know. I guess I haven't seen too many people talking about it

in the sense that, oh, I hate that one. I wish they would do the regular songs. So I don't know. I actually haven't, I guess I haven't seen too many people talking about it in the sense that like, oh, I hate that one. I wish it would do, they would do the regular songs. So I'm not, I don't know. I didn't know about at the holiday, the Christmas parties at Magic Kingdom. There's like a crazy overlay on Space Mountain where they're like blaring.

Oh yeah. Christmas music and flashing red and green lights. And it looks. I would love to do that. Very weird in a good way. We talked about that last year and we saw a couple of videos and I was like, they're doing what? This looks so dumb, like kind of dumb and like, not like, there's not too much finesse to it, at least from videos. I like that.

No, I agree. I've seen like a Warped Trans-Siberian Orchestra album. Like it was, the record was left out in the sun and then they played it. A very unique way to do an old, I don't want to say shitty, but rough coaster at this point. Which we got to see with the lights on when we were on PeopleMover. Oh, that's right. Yes, we did a PeopleMover pass. Which then, because it was down for a long time, I didn't get to do it, which I wanted to do.

Yeah, I didn't do it either. I didn't see any fans. We saw no fans. Well, there were no conventional fans, but there were places. Yes, well, that's a whole nother. Yeah, we don't have time this time. Look, I didn't mean to start a discourse. No, you did mean to, and it's good.

Oh, if it were a discourse, I'd never bring it up again. I hate discourses. Discussions and debates I like. If we can get a hold of Tony Baxter. I swear I felt cold air blowing on me. I think there's something to it. It's cold in there. I think there's something to the fan thing.

It's just not fans in the way that there's a big fan next to you on the track. But I do think there's some sort of science to it or planning. Some sort of aggressive HVAC system. Yes, that's what i think uh and we're gonna need to talk to some imagineer who might be you know we can't well this is gonna delay the space the space mountain episode even longer is having needing to get a coherent answer for sure yeah on this um moments in the ride it's tough to say because it is just a big disorienting thing but like uh but it does like it's it's all bad for a podcast right where we're supposed to um verbally go through things in yeah

in a in a way that that makes some sense and but you get off the thing and you're just like oh in the one part part you're kind of like it feels like you're like a little sideways yeah none of this is good to say out loud the only one that I could maybe vocalize is, well, unfortunately, the part that made Jane sick. Yes, it's the moon. And this is the one I've been trying to illustrate to people how cool it is that you can pick these pivot points. It happens with the moon, and it happens, I think, with Earth, too,

that your car perfectly rotates to stare at this central planet point. Those moments are so thrilling i bet it gives you a little bit of what staring at the goat on big thunder gives you but they're doing it on purpose oh yeah i think you crane your neck for it yeah i think that's right um i'm very impressed with however they figured out how to make things bright, but not show off the building. Yeah. That kind of inward light that doesn't let you see the track. Yeah. Because, yeah, you don't necessarily, it's not calling attention to the fact that you're in a building all that often.

And I believe, I don't know if it's the exact same technology, but going on Space Mountain a couple weeks ago, they have now projected stars much more brightly onto the walls, and there are little nebula things. Has it improved lately? Yes. I haven't been on it in a while. Yeah, for sure, because it was down for a little while, and I think I was there actually the day it opened because I hadn't been on it in so long,

and for sure the stars are brighter. I saw other people mention this, and a lot of the projections are, they're not quality of this ride, of Guardians, of course, but it was very noticeable that they're using some different thing. The star projections in this ride are great.

Yeah, oh yeah. But I wonder if they learned something on this and that's what they're using, or who knows. Yeah, maybe. Well, it feels like this ride is going to influence a lot of rides going forward. I hope that in redoing Space Mountains that some of this technology overlaps. I hope that there's another Omnicoaster again.

Mike, your theory, you just fully thought this Tokyo Disneyland fully new Space Mountain. You're like, it's got to just be this, right? I bet. I don't know. What else would you? I don't know. Because it's space mountain you're like it's got to just be this i bet i don't know what else would i don't know because it's such you're on it you're going oh this is space mountain with like a rock and roll song yeah or that this is just space mountain with pop music so i don't know don't discount dick dale dick dale was on there before that's true you're right i did like that dick Dale kicked the door open. He broke the rock ceiling. That's true. You're right. Yeah. And Michael Giacchino

took the ball and ran with it a little. Which I like that song too, but it's not as rock and roll as Dick Dale. I prefer Dick Dale. I like Dick Dale. It is not as rock and roll. I guess you did it with the Dick Dale song. Yeah, that's right. Right when I started going on Space Mountain, that was new in the soundtrack. And of course, I did do Space Mountain with a red-eyed chili pepper, so I did rock on Space Mountain.

Oh, I've rocked on Space Mountain. Not without precedent. I've gotten to rock at Disneyland. Although, no, that was on California Screamin'. I don't remember which was which. Around the world, I believe. Oh, okay. I believe Higher Ground is on Space Mountain.

I think so. Makes sense. Well, let's get Imagine Dragons in there. Let's get the Chainsmokers on Incredicoaster. Some of the new great rock music that's out there. Some of the new rockers. With this technology and seeing this ride as a space ride, how would you not just use this? Unless they have something

cooler, which they might. I think Omnicoasters should not be specific to Guardians in this ride. If there is an Omnicoaster that fits better into one of the Disneyland parks, get it in there ASAP. If you can get an Omnicoaster in Animal Kingdom, throw it

wherever, anywhere. I want all the Omnicoasters we can muster up. I was trying to figure out too. Throw it wherever, anywhere. I want all the Omnicoasters we can muster up. I was trying to figure out what, because Space Mountain, I guess, they've talked about redoing it out here, redoing obviously all of Tomorrowland. We've talked about it many times. We'll continue.

As we've said on our show, our Tomorrowland redo thoughts will bleed into 2024 at this point. Yes, like Disney, we have pushed our Tomorrowland plans into the future. We have plans though. We ran out the future. We have plans, though. We ran out of budget. We ran out of budget. That's really a budget thing.

That SD card is full, and we don't need, it's not like you can just buy them at CVS now. The podcast, the right. We use special ones, handcrafted. The podcast, the right Imagineer, who was in charge of our Tomorrowland episodes, have been, they've been fired.

All of them have been fired. They've all, yeah, they've all been scooped up by like D boy they've all jumped we had to fire them though because they were making too much money yeah yeah no they're they're bleeding yeah so all of our tomorrowland researchers uh all 10 of them laid out gone like the imagineers of animal kingdom jumping over to lost continent uh so i guess yeah there's a world like because at this point it's like oh it's gonna be tron they're gonna move tron into disneyland and like i'm more interested in just guardians going yeah i would take look this is gonna be crazy maybe if i

haven't said this out loud i haven't even allowed myself to think it would I trade our Space Mountain for Guardians of the Galaxy right now in Disneyland and the answer is yes I think my answer is also yes demolish Space Mountain and build this Guardians there there's no way they have room I know that's blue sky I understand

this box is just too big so Space Mountain I get it I know it's probably safe from what I'm saying but it's so close to So Space Mountain. I get it. I know it's probably safe from what I'm saying, but it's so close to the Space Mountain vibe already, just with songs like yeah, give it to me. Give me this. It's better ride. Where could an Omni coaster go on the Disneyland property? With the size, you mean?

Let me ask Jason real quick what he thinks of that controversial statement. Would you trade? The devil shows up to your door and he says you can get rid of Space Mountain and have Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind if you want, Jason. I was of the mind, too, of like,

this sucks, we can't ride this again today, either because of virtual queue or lightning lanes just totally sold out. Sounds like you're going to join Scott and I on the devil's side. Jason's first question probably is like, sorry, devil, that's what you're bringing to me? I can't end the war. Well, the devil doesn't want to end the war. Yeah, the devil loves war.

The devil loves war. What am I saying? The devil is evil. I just want to disappoint Twitter people. Unless it's hot stuff, the little devil. But that's not the devil I'm talking about. I'm talking about a Christian devil. The reality of like, oh, there's already Guardians Ride at California Adventure. There's already Marvel Campus.

Sure. But I really, really liked this. Join us, Jason. Join us. Join us. Yeah, baby. You want to talk about, I mean, Disneyland Tomorrowland. It was looking a little rough when I first got out here in 2006,

let alone in 2023. The thing is, though, like we can't, I mean, getting rid of Space Mountain doesn't, Space Mountain isn't the problem and it shouldn't suffer. No, it's not. But I agree, it would be,

I mean, yes, I would make a trade. No, I love the Space Mountain out here. The Space Mountain in Florida has fucked me up in recent years. It's rough. It's like Matterhorn level rough.

Well, let me ask, let me ask this. My question was, if we can reverse engineer, where is the room on property? And let's take that Disneyland forward shit out. Not yet. It's maybe the only hope, but let's say

that gets canceled. City doesn't approve it. We want an Omnicoaster somewhere at Disneyland where possibly and let's work backwards. Let's like... Where's the space? Yeah, and let's... If we determine that

somehow it's in frontierland it's got to be an old west omni coaster if it's in fantasy land that i know there isn't i know it's not that i the well there's space oh sorry disneyland forward i think that's where you get the space either it wraps around the disneyland hotel yeah i'm taking that off i mean you're right that's it i'm taking that off. I mean, you're right. That's it. I'm taking that off the table. Let's say that is done. I'll tell you where there's space. The Toy Story parking lot. Okay. A huge amount of space.

Yeah. I don't think they're going to. We're at Mainland Disneyland only. Mainland Disneyland? Yeah, I'm boxing you in. And we have to, we got to, would you take a, how about this? You know how there's room in Frontierland? If you get rid of Frontierland, would you blow up Rivers of America and all of it to get an Omnicoaster?

Well, okay. What does that look like? Is that just a big building now where the river is? I don't know. They could put something nice on the outside. You're going to have to expand on what this looks like for me to approve it. Okay, okay, okay. Because the vibe there is so good.

We'll put a bunch of trees on top of it. You won't build really tall trees. I think I've got it. What's that? Big stretch of land. You gut Pixar Pier and Paradise Garden Park. Oh my goodness. That's gonna be weird too. There's your space. Now you're getting rid of

a coaster though. I mean I guess I would rather have. You're trading it for a better coaster though. Better but Incredicoaster is very good too. Well but also then that gets rid of the vibe. That gets rid of the hangout of the pier and the water. And you've gotten rid of Toy Story Mania, too.

Or you think all that? I think, yeah, I think all that. But the water stays? In terms of vibe, I would rather keep Grizzly Peak, which people are already speculating that will become Avatar stuff, but I don't think that. They keep saying experience. Avatar is going to be so. They keep saying experience.

I think it's going to be. Experience is the smoking gun. Yes. Sound stages. That's right. Using a sound stage. It's going to be where the Tron arcade was. Well, first of all, okay.

I think I have an answer. Before we get all severe over in the pier, before we get severe in the pier, as I was saying earlier, Hollywood's gone. That's what I'm saying, yes. Any Omnicode, just do Guardians. Do it there. Do a different lead in than Wonders of Xandar.

I don't care that there's already a Guardians, right? Just put it there. Whenever the Arch, whenever you leave the area by Carthay and you go right next to like the Disney Junior Theater, that's when you can start destroying things. They're getting rid of that Beast's

castle walkthrough, which I always forget is there. Oh, the library. Which is really cool. It is a little like fun thing. Have you ever done it? Do we need to do like an RIP for that? I kind of think we do. I haven't been on in a while. I almost want to get down there. It closes soon. I almost want to get down there. It closes soon. I almost want to get down there and walk through it.

I forgot about it the last couple years. I remember stumbling upon it years ago and going, wow, this is cool. This is a cool little thing. Awesome Planet. Beast Library. It was really cool when they at that end, the Toy Story Zoetrope. Oh, that was great.

Which is in the Academy Museum now. That's maybe right. Did you see it? I don't remember seeing that. I thought I heard that move there. What you can do, I think, is you can get rid of all those buildings. You can get rid of Award Wieners.

You can go all the way back, get rid of Monsters, Inc. Well, now, hold on. Well, Award Wieners can move. I would rather keep Award Wieners than Monsters, Inc. What? Hang on. can move i would rather keep award wieners than monsters inc what hang on you just there will be that good the same quality of hot dog which is to say c plus hot dog everywhere can be maintained somewhere else on property i have i know i'm

not i am the only one but i have always had good luck with film strip fries. So if you can move the hot dogs and film strip fries. I'm not with you on film strip fries at all. I think those are delightful. They're fine. I'm not against film strip fries, but I would say that I don't value them. Here's the solution. Make them available at the Sit Down Carthay Circle.

Yeah. Now you get that as a $15 side for the table loaded irish nacho film strip fries there was just a little cart that said award wieners that had one hot dog and film strip fries i'll take it yeah that's fine but clear the area blow it up of course all the sound stages blow it up great plan to at a certain point when they had that parking garage, which I think is eventually still the plan on the other side of Harbor, and you were going to have all the security over on the other side of Harbor and have the bridge, have the pedestrian bridge,

they were going to move the boundaries of California Adventure out into the Esplanade. So there would be more room there as well. Good. So you get rid of those different sound stages. You get rid of Monsters, Inc. You get rid of all those streets. Then you can get rid of the theater, even you get rid of monsters inc you get rid of all those streets then you can get rid of the theater even though i like the idea that you could have a thing but if we need to get space space space for this crazy coaster yeah get rid of it and then you

push out back that way and then i think you could even like do something crazy and have the like walkway be like under the ride like building like have some sort of like oh yeah screen thing where you walk under like you're walking into like a jump point or something and you could walk that way through to like the mission breakout and then to avengers campus you could do something weird like that where then the show building was maybe above and theme it somehow that would be a little bit extreme but that's a lot of space i think right there i'll say this i'll go so far as to say re-theme this to the constantly changing question mark avengers e-ticket and you can use the multiverse idea fine yes that ride yes put it

there just two guardians rides i mean yeah the song, Avengers doesn't, the pop song-wise, it's not as fun. But still, the technology's amazing, and I guess you can have a big Thanos or, you know what really would be good? You know what really would be good? What? His Fantastic Four overlay for this, and have Galactus be the sort of projection character, and have him sort of going around. And then Silver Surfer as well. And Johnny Storm's a bit of a playboy. He's a bit of a party storm's a bit of a playboy he's a bit of a party boy maybe he's playing on some tunes yeah absolutely why he was played by by have chris

evans reprise the role have you ever seen scott have you ever seen the clip of the 90s fantastic four where johnny storm the human torch no no no uh the The cartoon where he kind of raps. No. You should see this. I think you would really like this. Okay, okay. Flame on, flame on, and on and on and on. It's really good. You should look it up.

Here's what I want. I want Herbie the robot from the old 80s, 70s cartoon, whatever it is. You could do a great queue of going through the Baxter building, obviously, which is a big laboratory stuff going on aliens popping out robots reed's lab ben grimms and again like you know i want to see where everybody sleeps yeah i want to see where the thing sleeps i want to see where uh mr and mrs fantastic uh conceived their children franklin and franklin valeria valeria i want to get handled and i want to see where my friends sleep that's correct so scott do you know about herbie the

robot no okay so i know about this because blockbuster had some video compilations in the in you know vhs days uh there was a fantastic four cartoon but when they made it they were too concerned about the human torch inspiring children to light themselves on fire so they replaced the human torch and the fourth member of the fantastic four was this annoying little guy named herbie the robot or he was named herbie and he was a robot and he uh did not really have a power set uh quite equivalent to a guy who can generate flames okay okay but can we get some kind of herbie the robot like pop and lock challenge happening in the parks we can't i've just sent you the human torch song i don't know i'm saying all these multiverse things that they're experimenting with, let's get Herbie in there.

Of course. You know? Let's get Spider-Man's amazing friends Iceman and Firestorm in there. For sure. I've been looking down, if it seems like I was tuning out because it was Marvel Talk, that's not exactly right. That's fine. I was just trying to see physical footprint and if this would work in either of the areas. And I can't quite determine.

My Google Maps aren't lining up very well. But if it could i and i'm curious if any listeners are mad about any of this would you would you listeners would you sacrifice planned avengers e-ticket that never seems to come yeah and would you sacrifice all of hollywood uh muppet vision readily used theater and or that's spectro magic spectro PhilharMagic. Spectromagic. Yeah, PhilharMagic. Who can't answer PhilharMagic? I answer my own question.

Blow it up. And then I think, yeah, I think Hollywood's out for this. Yeah. That's great. I think that's really good. That's a fun little

spirited debate, I think, and I don't want to open it up into a whole other thing, but just on the way out the door, we could solve this later because we

have other candidates in the question i'm about to ask uh to discuss down the road is guardians of the galaxy cosmic rewind the best ride in orlando oh baby um it's a good question uh i don't think that would be a controversial thing to say. No, but you couldn't. I don't think you'd get mad at anybody for saying that. Pretty. I'm still sticking with Spider-Man. Spider-Man is still great.

I 100% knew that would be your answer. Because I wrote it. I went on it. It's still very good. It is good. Yes, of course. It's good. I was in front of a family who was like clapping and laughing the whole time, and I'm like, this is still getting me to react.

I think there's no question that Spider-Man, at least in Orlando, maybe all told that I think it is the best non-coaster thrilling attraction. Fair enough. Dark ride style. And the only way, the thing that would just notch it up is how great and expansive and exciting the coaster is. I will say this. I do think, obviously, the theming is less cool. The VelociCoaster handles me in a slightly more fun way. I almost if I was just closing my eyes

and feeling the thrill of being moved around the Velocicoaster might have the edge there's a little trick right at the end of Velocicoaster that took my breath away there's a couple things but especially I think the thing you're talking about at the end yeah there's just

there's parts of it where if yeah if I close my eyes so that's the only reason i'm giving it pause i think maybe overall you still say cosmic rewind is the best but that's the only reason i'm giving it pause is because there's stuff about colossal coaster that i again i can't stop thinking about i just can't stop thinking about that the handling i just get handled i just put on cortez the killer and I sit and listen and think about these rides and when will I get to do them again? You listen to the long

song Cortez the Killer and it reminds you that you're sad you can't always be on this roller coaster. I want to always be riding. A-B-R. Always be riding. That's what I want. Always or A-B-B-H. Always be being handled. I mean look you can get off Guardians,

walk across the park and board the Skyliner. Velocicoaster, you can get off and walk to the water taxi in CityWalk and take a nice little boat ride. I don't know. Should that count? Wait, sorry. You're just pulling in.

I'm just talking about nice, fun modes of transit that I would like to do back to back. I'm just saying Skyliner, Boat, both very satisfying. Things that have nothing to do with the ride. These are nothing to do with the ride. Hey, he's allowed to throw his own criteria. I'm just constructing my perfect little day. I hear you.

I understand. You have a more gentle definition of handling. I would say I wouldn't argue with that statement, but there's a few things that just slightly give me pause. And maybe when we do Velocicoaster, I will definitively say what I think. Okay. Well, I think that is going to be a 2024 thing. We're getting close to the end of the year here, so that's something to look forward to.

Velocicoaster, the full debate of what is the best ride in Orlando, which could lead to what is the best ride on Earth. On planet Earth. Or Zandar. We'll determine that, I guess, next year, but for now, you survived podcast The Ride.

Boy, how great does it feel to just talk about a great cool ride? Sometimes is it as funny as talking about an awful nightmare or a funny bad thing? Not always. Not necessarily. Not necessarily. But it's fun for us.

I think it takes us right back to how we were getting handled. This is all about how we're getting handled. It's an audio handling. There's some funny dialogue. There's different dialogue at the end of the ride. Oh, right. Yes. There's a storyboard line.

There's a questioning whether they're heroes or whether you're heroes or not because you kind of just sat there. Yes. Similar to the end of Mission Breakout. Yeah. He says it's honorary. They joke about that. They say they're not coming with us. There's a weird Epcot line that it stands for every person comes out tired

and i'm like i don't know if that one works but the other ones are pretty solid i didn't know they changed those out actually thanks for reminding me of that yeah yeah and that you know and exiting that like that going back through that tunnel that last like you talk about talking topping um space mountain um dark dark rides kind of through space that end with a big, cool tunnel. They did it a little better. It's a great tunnel at the end there. There's a great hologram feature.

And you get a little, and you know what? Also, I know we're winding it down, but there's those rides where you're like, that was fantastic, but that was it. It's a little, I like Tron. I absolutely like Tron. But Tron finishes, and you're like, that was fantastic, but that was it. It's a little, I like Tron. I absolutely like Tron. But Tron finishes and you're like, okay, that was it. Mike, that's your complaint about Journey to the Center of the Earth, which is valid.

You're not wrong. It's literally a shorter ride. I like it. I don't give a knock at those points. But I think it'd be really hard to feel that way about Guardian's Cosmic Rule. I know. It's a long ride. The person who doesn't feel

satisfied by it is a bitter, cynical, is a real- A devil. Cortez the killer. And you know what? I take it back. Every person in our party

did come out tired of Epcot, but Mike whiled away the early morning hours at jelly rolls. So that, that, not everybody, not every person came out tired. Uh, um,

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