Podcast: The Ride - Innoventions with Jenny Nicholson

Episode Date: February 22, 2019

Jenny Nicholson returns! We talk Disney's CES/World's Fair mashup, Innoventions. Disappearing phones! Low energy marketing execs! Free to play Sega Games! Plus, which exhibit had the most ghoulish sponsor? Head over to the Second Gate to hear Jenny talk Sonny Eclipse! patreon.com/podcasttheride Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/ FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forever Dog. Yes, it's a great big world of interventions made possible by Compact Computers, Kaiser Permanente, Murata Electronic Components, and presenting sponsor Jenny Nicholson. Only on podcast. The Ride, the theme park podcast hosted by three men who are all corporately sponsored. My name is Mike Carlson. I'm sponsored by Sycamore Partners owner of Hot Topic I'm joined by Jason Sheridan I'm sponsored by the Darden Restaurant group who own

Fine establishments like Olive Garden And Red Lobster I'm also Of course our co-host Scott Gairdner here And I'm sponsored by the Fess Parker Winery Of which I am a proud member I'm looking forward to receiving my first mail shipment. The first one I got, of course, when I went up there in person to Santa Ynez. But I'm looking forward to some nice summer varietals.

That's great. And we're all wearing clothing that we were given by the corporation. Like Brock Lesnar wears Jimmy John's shorts when he's wrestling. That's just how we do it. I'm wearing Wine Is My Favorite Salad socks, of course, as always. I am wearing Jimmy John's shorts. I'm also sponsored by Jimmy John's. Fair enough.

Let's bring the guest in. Let's find out who she is sponsored by. Folks, you know her from her YouTube channel that has her name. It's Jenny Nicholson, friend of podcast, the ride. She's back. And I am sponsored by rainforest cafe. We're going to make a comeback. It's going to be fine.

They can pull it out. Yeah. Yeah. They got a couple of tent poles. Do they come back at downtown Disney though? Or is that ship sailed? Yeah. They haven't yet, but do you think they could, do you think they'll, uh, they'll pull in

a roll of sandwich? I mean, where else are they going to go? I think carbon taxes. Everyone's like, oh, carbon taxes, that's going to help offset environmental damage. I think the carbon taxes are going to help bring back the Rainforest Cafe. I don't know about the actual rainforest. I think the time is right for T-Rex to come in there. T-Rex Cafe. Take advantage of the closure and bring in T-Rx to come in there t-rex advantage of the

closure and bring in t-rex this time oh sure yeah when has the west coast had a t-rex that is their other very similar restaurant yeah it's where it's dinosaurs instead have you been i have oh the one in florida i've been most times i've been to Florida. Really? Oh, really? You make a point of it. The menu is the same, but everything has dinosaur pun names. Okay. And none of it's good. Yeah. But there are dinosaurs all throughout. And they are owned by the Landry Restaurant Group, who I have a very checkered history

with. Oh, yeah. Who also owns Bubblegum Shrimp. Yeah, there was a Point Snafu and City Walk Saga. When Jason, we were at Bubblegum Shrimp and Jason wanted to collect points from our check for his father's Landry's account. And when the waiter came back, he brought it and he said, oh, you had a $25 credit on there.

I just applied it to the bill. No. And Jason's face went white. They can't do that without your permission. Well, it apparently happens automatically at Landry's. Just like all the CityWalk happy hours like immediately shut down at six o'clock because the computers make

it do that. His father worked hard year after year for those points and then he just took them out from under him. It would have been worth more if you had saved them. Yeah. Yeah. What a nice way to give back to your father. That's the millennial version of buying your parents a home is paying them in a restaurant points that. Yeah, sure.

Yeah. That's the best we can do at the T-Rex restaurant. Were the dinosaurs cool at least? Was it like did they have? No. OK. Was it like, did they have? No. Okay. In my opinion, a mediocre dinosaur animatronic looks much better than a mediocre elephant animatronic because I've never seen a dinosaur. So to me, I'm like, oh, yeah, sure. That's that's what it looks like.

So your recommendation is just go for the drinks at T-Rex. Maybe not the meal. No, because then you're just in the bar section. You want to be sitting among the dinosaurs or maybe the ice caves which is also a section oh that's cool my experience was always uh lean stick to the apps because the entrees were never that great but the apps were usually reliable yeah you can get like three apps and share them with your one other friend and then you're good perfect yeah when dick van dyke was in the parade at disneyland and i went down alone uh to validate parking I got a cheeseburger

To go at the bar At Rainforest Cafe at Downtown Disney I didn't know they offered to go That seems counter to their entire Emission statement of providing a rainforest Experience Yeah it doesn't make sense because why would you go If you're not going to get to enjoy the sights

No certainly not for the food I ate the food on the five and it was maybe the worst cheeseburger I ever had or had had in 10 years maybe. How it's so was so bad. No, even you could even get like a French onion soup and be like, oh, this is a bad French onion soup. I didn't know there was such a thing. Right. They can screw up the easiest dish. The most idiot-proof dish.

Bad bread. My friends, Tyler and Kia, listeners to the show, just went to Disney World for the first time together. And their trip report that I got from them, they brought up the T-Rex Cafe, which they went into, smelled the smell, and turned around immediately. I might be misquoting them, but I believe what they said was that it's it that it smelled like airplane salisbury steak and a hundred children all at once that's fair i don't think your food and it's like lukewarm but you waited 40 minutes for it it's like that vibe yeah yeah yeah uh which is where food lands when it's not fresh you You're looking at T-Rex. You're looking at an Iguanodon. Which they got to do all of that stuff.

So if that's what you're going. So maybe my, I haven't been there myself, but maybe my T-Rex cafe tip is walk in, walk out immediately. But then you don't see all the dinosaurs. But if you, maybe you go in, maybe you go in, pretend that you're looking for a family. A family where you drop something. My mistake. They're not eating at the place with the dinosaurs. I don't know how they communicated that wrong.

I'm sorry. They appear to be in the hot air balloon. Yeah. Well, as you were. Well, I don't know if you guys are Rainforest Cafe fans, but they have a jungle storm that makes all the animals go crazy every half hour or so. Yes. At T-Rexx it's a little darker it's a meteor shower so all the dinosaurs start screaming for their lives and you see little meteors on the ceiling it's great i mean what so they're reliving the extinction over and over

again they're caught in a loop oh my god that's a hell for them The restaurant at the end of the Cretaceous period Some future race will be doing That with us at the human Cafe oh yeah they'll be fondly recalling Our extinction Like Abraham Lincoln they don't understand how time Works they think Abraham Lincoln was next To Genghis Khan was next to Christian

When the asteroids start falling he goes Four score and seven years ago And everyone just says their thing. Everyone's famous phrase were their dying words in the meteor shower. Aerosmith is there. Sure, sure. They only know what they've gleaned from the parks as far as his significant history. Nixon was the bass player of Aerosmith.

A Tim Allen animatronic, heavily stylized Tim Allen is there. It does feel like how Pleasure Island was like, you can ring in the New Year every night. This should be called the Extinction Restaurant and you can relive it. I thought you were going to say all of Downtown Disney should be the end of the world every night, which would be great. Honestly, that's not a bad idea either. It's even better than New

Year. I think there's at least two Cory Doctorow sci-fi novels that take place like end of the world in the theme parks. Okay. Yeah, I feel like that is a real. I read his one book down and out in the Magic Kingdom about people competing whether to plus up or keep the Haunted Mansion as it is a thousand years in the future or something. Really? Yeah, this is real and you can read it for free under a creative commons license because he puts out all this stuff for free i'm just talking about a joe rody supervised experience where we get to live the

end of the world over and over and over again yeah that's what i'm looking for that would tie into c but it's sanitized It's not like Because in a real End of the world scenario People are Stabbing Robbing each other And hurting each other Yeah

In this one It brings people closer Right The improv actors Are weeping And hugging each other At the end of the night It might be like

Old women Tucking their kids in Like Titanic They're all wearing Different religious garbs To demonstrate That they've come From different walks of life

But now they're brought together By this tragedy. Oh, yeah. It would probably be cathartic, honestly. Yeah. And the whole audience is just drunk off their minds. Yeah. They're like, yeah. And then you get out and you're like, I'm alive.

And now I have the rest of my life in front of me. All the bachelorette parties there, living it up. And then they all feel good about getting married. And they're like, you know what? It's great. Ryan's a great guy. And they're like, you know what? It's great. Ryan's a great guy. And they're like, everything's going to be fine. The perspective from that fake apocalypse really taught me something. Yeah.

I mean, this is really a good one. The motto of T-Rex Cafe is Ryan is a great guy. I mean, I guess you can tie that all together. Yes. Yeah. So we're going to talk eventually about interventions if we have to I guess Yeah let's get into it Let's just get right to it

We all are just chomping at the bit Chomping like T-Rexes Everyone is I If you're listening to this you probably know What interventions is but just the primer You go into Epcot Center before you get to, well, just past, I guess, Spaceship Earth. You go left or you go right.

And either way, there's an Interventions waiting for you. And it's where you go experience all the products that are coming down the pike. And in Disneyland, it was the thing in the Circle Theater that now is where you go meet kylo ren or whatever uh and i'm gonna be totally honest with you i didn't realize until i started researching this that it had closed that we don't don't consider what's there now in inventions no they took the sign down it's okay i didn't know that it is apparently been renamed at some point the tomorrowland expo center yes with star Wars Launch Bay on the bottom. As many names you can give any building.

As many names. And shut down attractions without making it clear to me, a theme park nerd podcast host, that it was closed at all. Yeah, kind of like the Wonders of Life being called the Festival Center. It's always a great sign when a building is named a building first and then what's in it second you know you're gonna get a great attraction like if splash mountain was in like pavilion building west presents splash mountain you'd be like okay featuring splash mountain presented by fidelity insurance yeah uh i feel like we're getting a little ahead of ourselves and if because first

off we need to explain that interventions is the combination of inventions and innovation yeah yeah a robot told me that a robot told me his name was michael eisner he was the head of the company uh look you could see a whole making of uh preview of interventions in epcot from like 94 93 uh that we i do you guys both watch this jenny have you ever seen this before no i haven't seen it's on youtube and it is uh really something oh my god everyone who speaks in it seems like they're doing so At gunpoint Every vice president of Marketing

Every senior vice president Of executive outreach It is just Dull person after dull person In which I guess I don't know What happened? Why did Michael Eisner think this was a good idea?

I think his idea was we've got to, we've got to pimp up either Epcot or new tomorrow land. We have that whole building and we ran out of money. What can we do? Not only for free, but for negative dollars where people will pay us to put things in our park. So I think that was the driving innovation behind it. The real innovation.

I mean, what was there before was called CommuniCore. And it was about communication stuff. I don't understand the Epcot logic. I understand the Disneyland logic where they had a building they had emptied out. But with Epcot, why get rid of CommuniCore? Yeah, CommuniCore looks good. had a building they had emptied out yeah epcot why get rid of communicor yeah communicor looks i watched the uh the bright sun films like you know uh walk through about communicor and i smart one robot smart one love smart one smart one yeah smarty smarty one they had they seemed to start

something called the person of the century award that I'm not Sure if they ever finished It like around 1990 Communicore was where you could go to Vote for person of the century I don't know where or how or any details We'll get to it in the communique But I don't know I don't Think they settled it because by 2000

It had long been interventions And interventions no longer Cared who was the person. Maybe they just mailed a plaque to whoever won by that point. They tallied up the existing votes. And they're like, okay. A couple of coupons. Marie Callender's gift certificate. They had a contractual obligation to announce a winner.

They just had to put it in a local newspaper in a bottom corner. Technically, it was published. It's in the Sentinel. It's in the Orlando Sentinel. But you could. And there was a census there was a constantly updating uh census thing of how many people lived in the country uh there was also this looked really cool you could look into the behind the scenes room with all the computers that controlled epcot i think comedicore was also where you had to go to make lunch and dinner reservations.

Like, you would pick up a phone there. Wow. I didn't know that. I forget. That's a whole thing. I gotta look more into that. When that was a novel, I guess phone reservations weren't novel,

but there was something, or was it like a computer touchscreen or something? I think it was kind of, yeah, it was combining Future World and World Showcase together. I mean, even though it is a computer touch screen or something? I think it was kind of, yeah, it was combining future world and world showcase. I mean, even though it is a dated concept now, it would feel more futuristic if you were told, like, proceed to the CommuniCore to book your dining reservation. That's true. Even though you have to, like, walk there, it would feel more high tech. Yeah.

And the aesthetic has aged a lot better. The CommuniCore aesthetic looks a lot better than any of the interventions uh stuff interventions i only got to go once before they got rid of the rest of it it was already mostly gone but um it looked very today i didn't even realize initially that i was in interventions oh you at disneyland you're speaking specifically oh and epcot yeah it was just a lot of modern stuff and i did experience two things that are now gone also. So I'm glad I got to see these Yesterworld attractions. But I went on three things, actually.

One of them was an experience about how to tornado-proof your home. Yes, that was a weather simulator. Yeah, but it was like a game show. You would vote for which one you wanted to win that you thought would withstand the storm. Yeah. But we were alone with two other wanted to win that you thought would withstand the storm. Yeah. But we were only with like two other families, so we were trying to throw the vote and make the house vulnerable. And it worked.

We got to see like the roof lift off the simulation and stuff. Oh, wow. And then we did something called like Fitness Heroes that I think was Marvel themed. It might not have been and you um it was like a connect game and you had to do different exercise moves to um save a city from i want to save pollution and there was one other child in the room just one very small child their parents and me and my friend so that was good energy what did the competition uh consist of exactly you were just in place like punching and raising your arms and things or like doing kicks and then it would detect that you were doing that with like playstation connect type technology right and then you would see a bar going like it's working and then you'd save the city and they would come in and like they'd teach

you some chance about fitness and be like no you're fitness heroes. And the third thing was an actual good thing. And it was called the sum of all thrills. And it's where you programmed your own roller coaster. And they would try to give you like a physics lesson about how not to build a dangerous roller coaster. And we did the opposite of all their advice because we wanted a thrilling simulation. And it gives you like a number score at the end of how your simulation came out, like a thrill level. And I told it to the person that was putting our result in the machine. And they said, oh, that's 10 points away from breaking the simulation. We named it Wild Snake.

And it was a masterpiece. It was wild. Was it fun to go on the simulation, though? It was. And they would tell you as they're telling you how to design your roller coaster, like have a green zone of like don't make your hill steeper than this if you can and so we'd put it all the way up and they'd be like don't make your loop a perfect circle because it's bad for the human body like the inertia from it is dangerous so we just made it as round as possible it's good it's not a real coaster it's gonna be fine yeah okay so this is this is very um that closed a couple a few years

ago yeah and it was one of the newer things to open i have all the sum of all uh thrill stuff but good i tried okay so some of all thrills the last when i was there in 2014 i tried to go on it i was very surprised i didn't really know it was there um And I was like, this actually looks cool because you designed the coaster and then you ride the coaster. It was great. The line was really long. Yes, the line is really long because there was only two capsules on and they're on. They were on kooka arms.

It takes forever to load you in and strap you in and make it safe. Yes. Yeah. And it's only like two people per vehicle. So, yeah, when it had a wait, it was very long wait. So, I watched a video of the ride through. And so, here's the thing I didn't know about the Sum of All Thrills. I knew it had a long wait because it didn't have very high per hour capacity.

Very quickly, you learn that the sponsor of this attraction is Raytheon, the weapons company. Oh, come on. Are you serious? Yes. They say it in, they say, like, the line is, this is part of Raytheon's commitment to help inspire a new generation of technologists and innovators. Oh, no. So, it's all about STEM and mathematics, mathematics but is and i've made this joke on the

show before and i've heard it on other part of like yeah it's sponsored by like north rep gunnum or raytheon these companies that make missiles but i didn't know this actually happened this was sponsored by raytheon as a way to like also like and it's about stem i think i'm sure they got a massive tax write-off or something for it because it's about teaching children because it's about teaching children and like you can do this too and maybe one day you can work for raytheon yeah the missile company and like maybe this is naive but it can't have cost that much as an attraction it didn't take up a lot of space they had to buy the two kuka arms but that's it which kuka arms are not made by they're made by the kuka

company uh kuka rebatter gmbh of germany um but yeah raytheon raytheon also uh most recently mentioned when uh donald trump launched a bunch of missiles at an empty syrian airfield those were shown to be raytheon missiles still missiles. Those made by KUKA? They're still having their ride-in interventions in that case. It's a shame they closed it before that. Yeah, if you could program the arm to swing you around to set the exact trajectory of the missiles

that bombed the warehouse. That should have been the third option, because you could choose coaster or plane before you designed your thing. They should have had missile as a third one. And drone. Is that the same was it different than the disney quest build your own coaster yes so that was called cyberspace mountain right and that was just a thing but communicor also had a design your own coaster so there's always there was a history of design your own coaster in this space. And that was very like wireframe-y.

Like that looked cool. You only had a few selections. It kind of looked like, have you ever played the Tron video game? Or like the arcade one? The old, old arcade one or the Empire Strikes Back old arcade game when it was very like, oh, cool, it's in 3D, but everything is wireframe. Sure. Sort of the virtual boy a little bit too. Oh, yeah. Sort of the virtual boy a little bit, too.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Wireframe-y. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, some of all thrills lasted from 2009 to 2016. Wow. The entire Obama administration invented it. Pretty much. You could go to Disney World and watch a

weapons company demonstration. Weapons sponsored company. Luckily, there was no tie-in comic like there was with Exxon, where Mickey and Donald and Goofy were... Mickey was telling them about how good the company is. This is the Patreon, too. It's much more tactically advanced than the Patreon. Not Patreon.

Patreon. Patriot missiles. Jason is our Patreon always on the brain. They make the Patriot Missile System. I see. Gorsh. Gorsh. Who makes the drones, Nick?

Yeah, so they were gone. And the last two holding on clients, Innoventions West closed in 2015. It is mostly the Epcot character spot now. Oh, that's where you, yeah. My friends are just there and they said that's where you meet Big Hero Sick. That's where I believe Minnie.

That's where I met Minnie. I mean, ran into Minnie again. Wow. You've met her. Minnie, yeah. Well, every Minnie in Orlando Kisses me And the performer inside the suit

Makes a noise When they press their big snout up against The side of my face What I I think next time you get kissed By Minnie and it will be soon You need to survey The next ten men in line and ask

If that happened to them too Because if they didn't get a smooch Then you know it's a thing Yeah it's a good point We were at Disneyland like a week ago And Minnie walked by And she was on her way somewhere So she was busy but she just waved at me

So she didn't I have like a couple pictures of it They're great photos but she was clearly Trying to get somewhere and didn't need she didn't have time to stop but you also you have no idea you were far away from her not within the range where you could have heard the smooch sound you should be very welcome to get one kiss oh i see i was so impressed i met goofy a couple weeks ago and i know they sometimes make kissing sounds. They can't vocalize. But this Goofy was making, like, guttural Goofy voice noises. Oh. Like, he would nod his head and go like, ooh, ooh, ooh. Like, a Goofy voice.

And it sounded on the money. And I was just like, this is incredible. But it also was weird because they weren't words. They were just, like, weird guttural vocalizations that Goofy would make. And you know that Goofy can speak. Goofy is not a minion. They don't like him to speak when he's in Disneyland. Oh, yes.

They don't know what he'll say. Right. He's not allowed to speak on behalf of the company. It's a legality concern. He'll talk about drones or something. He might start expressing his political opinion. Yeah. Do like a Tim Allen or a James Woods.

They don't need that. Yeah yeah don't drink the tap water there's fluoride in it gosh yeah where where was goofy talking which part of the disneyland kitchen my family was visiting i had not visited goofy's kitchen in probably like years in the disneyland hotel maybe they put their a goofy at goofy's Goofy's Kitchen. Yeah, the one at the Disneyland hotel in the little festival center. That's a good question. Convention center, I guess. That's actually a good question because you worked at Disneyland very famously. Yes.

And I wanted to let people that knew that feel like they knew it already, but then let the new listeners know. As everyone knows. So famously seemed like it made the most sense to me. Was there a hierarchy of Disney performance? Have we talked about this ever? So famously Made the most sense to me were there Was there a hierarchy of Disney Performed did we talk we talked about this ever like was There an a goofy a Mickey And they would be brought out at the I feel like

I didn't interact enough with characters there actually Was kind of a rivalry between guest relations And characters I think because they Were the two departments with the biggest egos So the characters want to be like Everyone knows we have the coolest job. And then guest relations is the same way. So if you would ever interact with characters department, there would be kind of a tension there. But I think with characters, the main hierarchy was like

face characters versus fur characters. So like the princesses versus Mickey and friends. Faces be furs. Yeah. So I think that's the main hierarchy. But I do know that people would get scheduled more often based on their performance. Right. Like there were, you know, princesses who were not there all the time. And there were princesses who were always in the parades, always doing everything. Some would never get approved for parades.

So I would imagine there was some ego going on there. But I don't know. With the fur characters, I always felt like they were the chill ones like i i feel like the face characters are like the la people and the fur characters are the theater kids if that makes sense oh that i get i know what you're saying yeah personality wise so i feel like maybe within the fur characters there's less rivalry um they're all just there to have a good time but there's kind of a union they're more like good old boys yeah sure yeah yeah yeah uh uh yeah they don't they don't have the egos from like the improv skills and although they're although there's physical pretty well yeah certainly yeah there's been many great improv

moments i feel like when robin Hood I had a target on my shirt Remember that And Robin Hood like Pointed right at it And they did a whole bit He shot an arrow Into your chest Yeah that was the bit

They were pretending to kill me Yeah Good It was great They loved that Yeah And when Minnie improvised Reaching down your pants

Sure Oh nice In front of all those children Yes Inappropriate Minnie I actually do wonder also Like who When there's a high profile In front of all those children yes Uh inappropriate Minnie I actually do wonder also Like who when there's a high Profile uh Mickey

Appearance like when here Mickey is gonna cut the ribbon of Euro Disneyland or is gonna Like meet Ronald Reagan The televised coronation events and things I think it goes by seniority And I think it definitely is something they think about Of like who they consider their best one yeah okay oh that's interesting huh you seen already probably the ones that are signed off on the most areas like for mickeys and stuff

you would want a mickey that does phantasmic because i feel like that's the hardest mickey role uh-huh uh-huh um oh yeah yeah because you're like like, I was watching a video about phantasmic mishaps that explain all of the, like, stopgap. And the Mickey has to know if this thing didn't happen, you have, like, a backup procedure in choreography. Yeah, and he has a lot of precise marks. There's a lot to remember. Okay. So maybe a phantasmic Mickey is the one you want. Or the one signed off in the most areas, at least.

I see. Because every different show or location, well not location for meet and greets, but every different parade and show and everything are different sign offs. And I think some people just know all of them. Hmm. Hmm. Wow. The Mickey that's going to help open Galaxy's Edge, they're going to let the ravenous first people

in line eat him. Yeah. Eat him to try and pacify the masses. So not going to send their top Mickey in that case. That'll be the Mickey that started last weekend. Right. Maybe. Wow, what an honor. Out of the gate.

They actually hold separate auditions to see who the most vulnerable one is. Right. The most expendable Mickey. Yeah. This is the way I want it to go. I know. The crowds might know and get angrier. They know it's a lesser Mickey that they're feasting on.

They'll find a lot of reasons, I think, to be angry that day. Sure. This is close. That's what people are saying. That's the prediction I've heard. But like, to get in to the land. Yeah, but like, they'll let you walk

around. They'll give you a ticket or a I guess not a bus. I don't know. Who knows't know. That would make sense. It would make sense. I mean, that's what they've done with the Harry Potters on both coats, I think. You essentially get a reservation ticket. Will people then be scalping those and fighting for those? They can't if it's attached to a ticket, which is probably what they would do.

That's true. Is they would attach it to the app or like a fast pass type thing. So QRs will save this historic landmark. Yeah. QR codes will save this park from being destroyed. I mean, my hot take, and I hate when people say they should do this with every ride

because with the infrastructure of the park, it literally wouldn't work to have no one wait in any lines. And everyone says, oh, they should make it all digital and not have any lines. But I think with a newly built land, it would be really good

if they just had the lines be virtual. And they can do that because they can factor that into capacity when they're building the land. Oh, but you couldn't like retroactively take Snow White. Because Disneyland's fire code is set to assume that a lot of the people in the park are going to be standing in the queues

and inside the buildings. So if they're all suddenly on Main Street, it's chaos. Oh, okay. Interesting. We're getting fire code info. Yeah, this is the stuff. So if they're all suddenly on Main Street, it's chaos. Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah. We're getting fire code info. Yeah. Yeah.

This is the stuff. This is why the listeners tune in. This is why you're one of the most requested guests to come back. Because you would bring the fire code stuff. If Star Wars land is new, it's new land. So if anything, the capacity will increase slightly. But they could just keep that in mind. Right.

People not in the lines. We should get back to inventions, but real quick. Yes. How long would you be willing to wait, like, first week? I mean, how long am I willing to wait for anything? Sure. Two hours. Two hours?

Okay. Yeah. I don't like lines. I'm just too keenly aware of wasting my time. Yeah. This is the question. Because this will be the longest wait probably anyone ever has to face yeah life i just i don't know and it's too easy also when you're local to

just think that you can come back even if you really want to do it you're like i should just come back i could be in my home right i mean also i think if i had a friend who i knew was willing to do a really long wait with me i would would be more willing to, but most of my friends hate lines and also don't like theme parks as much as me. So I'm sure I could not convince them to wait in even a three hour line with me and I'm not doing it by myself. So yeah. So that's usually the deal breaker. Like when I go to D23, I never go in like the store line and stuff because I'm always with someone who's only kind of into it. And I don't want to be like, Hey, I want to stand in this taped out queue for three hours

for only me to buy stuff. Mike, are your ears burning? Well, I understand that a lot of folks feel that way and that's OK. But I think that Jason and I are prepared to wait upwards of six, seven. Are you guys going to camp out? Because even getting in is... I won't camp out. I would much

rather get wait like a full work shift to meet bruce springsteen that one i mean that's a different situation different situation but this is we're not like meeting the real general hucks or something you know no but i would you wait a long time for that no but think about it if they transported a character from the realm of fiction into our reality, that'd be something to me. But not Hux. That's to be a better. Constable Zuvio, perhaps? I mean.

Perhaps. Max Rebo? Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Anytime. You got me, finally. Oh, yeah. I'll wait eight hours for Max Rebo.

I mean, meeting a robot I can haggle with is kind of like a celebrity to me. Yeah. So, and I want to do that before they turn it off You're haggling Same with all the droids that wander around and the interactive ones and stuff Yeah all that stuff that's going to go away after two weeks That's the thing that's the pressure to go right away That's why we're going Because you know they're going to stop that and the improv training and stuff that's all going to go away Yes my feeling is that the situation should be as soon as we

hear when the dates are going we book the cheapest hotel and walking distance and then maybe the play is not wait overnight but the play is get there at four in the morning from the hotel i don't want to say this i mean i'm literally saying it on a podcast i was gonna say i don't want to say this to too many people we can edit it out what just happened was we just cracked how to do it. Yeah, right. We did edit it out and you haven't heard it and I'm sorry.

Yeah, don't tell them. Yeah, yeah. Jenny, honestly, you had the best because I've tried to crack this too but this is... I have the best idea. You have the best idea

I've ever heard. Okay. Oh, all three of us are in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a clue a little. Oh, no. Cut that out too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cut's a clue a little. Oh, no. Cut that out, too.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cut that. Or we bleep. Just bleep. You'll be part of my. And then. Yeah. That's going to set.

People will wonder, what the fuck was that? Yeah. And why didn't they bleep fuck when Scott said fuck just now? We cracked it. We got it. It's happening. Wow. All right. Okay.

So back to intervention. So let's jump back in time to 1994. So CommuniCorps is not cutting edge. But in this opening special, the pitch they're giving you is that this is Epcot 94. And like we need something new for Epcot 94. But Disney's history is rooted in World's Fairs. in world fairs and they show all these footage of amazing inventions dynamic footage first ever show world fairs from the the chicago world's fair the philadelphia world's fair the new york world's fair of course they show the carousel of progress and they're like

interventions is going to be like a world's fair right in epcot and it's always changing and always updating and it already was like was like it already was epcot itself is supposed to be a world's fair so i don't so and the carousel of progress wasn't like selling you like humidifiers like they weren't selling you things that were currently out it was all speculative yeah you couldn't buy the the vr machine but now we so we need a place where we can actually sell you the vr machine i think you could buy some of the ge products you saw they had at least one thing that was current i think they had the current ge dishwasher or something yeah jason wanted to buy john's clothes i wanted to buy john's fashionable sweater um but i roomy bathtub i i think it was it was more

subtle and that's what i got from you know the quick glimpse of like trying to remember communicore was like the corporate sponsorship was either a little more subtle of course if it's phones it's going to be bell or at&t um it was either subtle or agnostic there was no like sponsor for like the virtual roller coaster whatever what have you but we're gonna change that we're gonna change that money um also isn't part of the story maybe that eisner went to the consumer electronics fair or expo or whatever cds is the thing cds is the one in vegas yeah and he he thought well this is so active and visual and vibrant and you look out at the i mean it's like

comic-con like you look out at a room where it's a big mess there's 20 big signs and mismatchy displays but isn't it exciting and what if we could bring that vibe to the parks and let me tell you this i'm talking about this sarcastically now but when i was a kid because i think the second time i went to disney To Disney World was New I bought it Hook line and sinker I thought interventions was Great and I spent a lot of time in there Yeah well I Whatever however this was sold to me

As a kid I was Excited for our next trip to Florida And it is primarily The character that's on Jenny's socks Oh Sonic the Hedgehog He was featured prominently in And it is primarily the character that's on Jenny's socks Oh, oh Sonic the Hedgehog Wait, was he there?

He was featured prominently in the advertising Now, I was a kid who only had Nintendo systems My friend down the street had Sonic, had Sega But I was obsessed with Sonic So what was his relation to the interventions? So there was a massive Sega area of free games. So Sega Genesis, Sega 32X,

Sega CD, Game Gear represented. Sega Pico. It's a little educational Sega for kids. Oh yeah. Oh that was a thing? Apparently. Oh yeah. Was it interventions? Wow. i thought you wore

those on purpose i was like oh what a great nod to interventions i just have my sonic that's pretty good kids i me and my brother loved it because it was a massive free arcade i mean all the hotel arcades at the time were pretty big and we spent a lot of time there but these games were all free to play and yeah we were in Nintendo house too So say So Sonic the X-Men game Was the X-Men game there? That was one of the big Sega The two X-Men games were huge launches

Was that the X-Men game where to beat it You would have had to hit the reset button at the end Do you know what I'm talking about? Maybe Is that the Days of Future Past game? Just a little X-Men humor. Sure. I mean, I got it.

Yeah, yeah. I'm actually just trying to remember the storyline if they actually borrowed from it. I think it was something with Apocalypse though. And I think at the very end of the game, in order to win, you had to hit reset on the actual console. That's insane. Because people were so confused because there's no, that doesn't make any sense to to do that but that was the only way you could truly beat that might have been the second one okay but the first one came pretty early some listener will yell it at us on twitter

which i'm talking the big deal was you could pick which x-men you played at right uh out of how many out of like all of them four or five okay yeah well because the other x-men game that i've played at the grand floridian when I was a kid was the side-scrolling arcade version where you could play like Dazzler, Cyclops, and they were all in their like 80s outfits. It was based off the pilot. Based off the pilot. Yes.

They released on VHS, but they never made more than one of. I think I have them on my phone. It's crazy. Now I use to spend so many quarters and now I have it on my phone. But I beat the game. The machine was broken at the Grand Floridian and And I beat it with like six other kids. And it's one of the most triumphant moments of my young life. Because the games would be like, you have to die constantly.

Like the Simpsons arcade game or those other, like there's similar type games like that. Where to ever get to the end, you were having to just spend $10. Quarter after quarter. Right. Unless you were incredible at it. And then this one was just busted. So, like, five allies and I one day in the soda shop of the Grand Floral, whatever it was, beat it. And that's another great theme park memory that was just unearthed.

Huh. Okay. Anyway. Oh, wow. You were like that? You buried that away? I hadn't thought about it in a while. But I was like, oh, yeah, they played it at Disney World Also Now that I'm thinking about it, a Ghostbusters arcade game

That I never played anywhere else Other than the basement of the Contemporary I never saw it at any Chuck E. Cheese And any other place, and we had a lot of arcades Around where I grew up, but there was a Side-scrolling Ghostbusters game And my mind, I lost my mind Like, because I never

I guess, I guess now that I'm thinking about it Did you go to the Starcade too? No I've never been to the Disneyland Starcade I do remember the Starcade It was very lame Because it used to be double Decker the area that they just turned into The Space Mountain line

I have vague memories I do remember seeing the upstairs and downstairs Of the Starcade But never spending significant time there Sure I mean it doesn't make sense to do that Yeah, vague memories of that. I do remember seeing the upstairs and downstairs of the Starrcade. Uh-huh. Yeah. But never spending significant time there. Sure. I mean, it doesn't make sense to do that. I mean, I guess these were all, this was all after hours and I was little.

Yeah. So we were in a hotel. It wasn't like it was. It's true. It's like, what else are you going to do? Right. Yeah. Because we weren't there until midnight.

And most, only one park usually stays open late. Yeah. I don't even remember if they did that 25 years ago. It's longer hours now. And it depends on your parents' willingness to stay until closing too. Yeah. Like they tire out more. Because I feel like kids, they weigh a lot less. So their legs don't even remember if they did that 25 years ago. It depends on your parents' willingness to stay until closing, too. Yeah. Like, they tire out more. Because I feel like kids, they weigh a lot less, so their legs don't get as tired.

And they also get carried for a lot of the day. Yes. So usually it's the parents that need to call it. Yeah. Kids aren't waking up to golf at 5 a.m. Yeah. Like my dad always was. On the Disney World trips?

Yeah, yeah. I don't think I ever would have been to Disney World As a kid if there wasn't golf That was a legitimately Great golf resort Never really shouted out the golf We gotta do an episode on the golf Would your dad do the episode On the golf? I have thought about

Proposing that It maybe is a can of worms And it maybe is a ticket To now on the 14th, you get kind of like, you know, it kind of bends off to the right there. Maybe a Patreon.

But I, that's, I have, this thought has occurred to me. I have questioned, but now that we've said it, unless we edit this out too, but I've,

I have thought about proposing that and maybe now we have to do it. Is that the Shades of Green resort now? That was one of the Gulf things. Shades of Green. Yeah. That's, I forget how that's affiliated with that was the disney inn before oh the disney shades of green is now exclusively for military

families um and it's it's supposed to be very nice accommodations uh uh you know lower lower prices for everyone and you're right next to the magic kingdom it is right next to the polynesian oh right well and we can i mean and mainly if you don't know about the disney world golf there is a sand trap that is mickey ears so that's get ready to hear about that for an hour and a half hi folks it's jason and i just want to take a second to tell you about hello fresh hello fresh is a meal kit delivery service that shops plans and delivers step-by-step recipes and pre-measured ingredients so you can just cook eat and enjoy each box is made up of fresh responsibly obtained ingredients

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ThemePark60 It's like receiving six meals free Or up to 50% off Three boxes My dad did one I think he golfed once Did you golf with him or no? No, no, no, that was his free time

Where he didn't have to be at the theme park. My dad did the same thing, I think. I don't think it was every day. I think he did it once on one of our trips. So maybe multiple trips. A golf at Disney Paris also. And I did take time while there to go to the Disney Paris Pro Shop, which was very locked in 1992. And I bought Disney Paris golf balls that I proudly display at home. Wow.

So, yeah. All right. Get ready. Golf coming your way. We were a miniature golf family. Oh, yeah. We played. Not really in Florida.

We did enough of that at the Jersey Shore. We didn't need to do that on vacation vacation. Good mini golf courses down there, though. And also this Pirates mini golf across the street from Disney World. Oh, yeah. I would love to do that. Whatever that center is. I forget. With the street from Disney World. Oh, yeah. I would like to do that. That's where the center is. I forget.

With the Perkins Diner. I think it's closed now. Did you go there? No, I've done gator golfing out on International Drive before, which is pretty special. And then you get to see the man fight the alligators after you golf. What? Whoa. It's a separate ticket.

He's like, if you want to see me wrestle the gators. And it was like late at night and there were maybe only like two other groups there. And it was an elaborate show that like culminated in him pretending to fall into the water and be in danger. And I was like, man, he got all his clothes wet just for us. Like I felt bad about it because it was a really small audience. Like he didn't get to perform for 30 people. Like was this really worth getting ready for? And there was a bar across the parking lot? My friend's dad, who's a local was visiting with us. And he was inebriated enough by that point that he's like, how much to let the girls in and see the gators. And the guy

was like 10 bucks each. So we walked across a shaky plank and got to go near the gators and get pictures with them. It felt very like under the table and not safe. It seemed like that was negotiable, maybe the fee. I think it might have been. He could have haggled it down. Really? It's like an attraction that was not a real thing that was offered, but just since the promise of more money was out there.

Sure. He let us do it. It was like stripper tricks or whatever. Like, yeah, this can be bought. It's not written down on a menu anywhere. And he had a lot of gators. I guess they were all rescues, so he didn't have to feel guilty about it so it's a good time yeah i don't that's another we haven't talked about golf and we haven't talked about weird i drive uh attractions which i have you spent a lot of time depressing okay okay sure it's the florida project my friend and her dad

were like locals i think to them it's like a nostalgic level of depressing so i was through their eyes i was enjoying it but yeah it's not it's you kind of just want to stay on disney property when you're in that area um jenny did you you mentioned saratoga springs resort did you guys all know i just learned this like last week the treehouse uh suites are still there yeah you can still stay do you know what i'm talking about the tree houses you can see them on the river at certain hotels you boat past them yeah i want to say it like key west we boated past them or something oh i know what you're saying but they were in all the promotional

videos like in the early 90s and stuff you see they looked so cool and um i guess now they are part of of saratoga springs um but it is like you are almost staying like off the as far off the grid within disney property as you can get because like you have to drive there's a gate that closes and you have to use your room key to get to drive in so you can't get like food delivered or anything um but like they restored them they look really nice but I just remember As a kid going like god I want to Stay in those tree houses for a day I don't know I always feel like torn about The Disney hotels because there's so many really cool

Ones but like for what they cost and How cool they are you feel like you should be Like getting your money's worth by not leaving Them but then you want to leave them all day To be at the park so it's like how much is it Worth it staying at the really cool ones or should you Just stay at a boring one that has more space so oh to like encourage you to get up and out uh yeah that's what yeah like disney paris we maybe should have just sprung for one

right there but we stayed at just a radisson that was the dullest like let's get out of here asap kind of like i'm not gonna be at the hotel And also my family's vacation club, so a lot of the vacation club rooms that are the actual suites for more people are at the most boring resorts. But usually the family vote outweighs the fact that we should be in the spacious one instead of the cool one. Can I ask what your

home resort is? It's Alani, which I have no interest in going to. Really? Oh, interesting. I can't swim and I don't like the sun, so I don't see myself ever going to Ohlone. Very fair. Very fair. So we tried to ask if we could get a different home resort, but we couldn't.

So we're thinking of trying to switch to a new one, like the train one or something. I think if you get more points, you can get an additional home resort. What is a home resort? I don't know about this. So that is where, like, that is your base. Like, that is where you have to-

So the perk of it being your home resort is if you ever need a room there, they say that you can get a room there. No matter when you're booking it. So, like, Aulani, if we wanted to try to book a room, like, Christmas Eve and it's, like, the week before, I think, in theory, they have reserved rooms for people that are their home resort. And then they just they give it to you will you or you choose it you buy it's just available for you to book yeah it's available for you to book and you have to like pick a home resort like some cost more than your family pick no it's um you don't get to pick it's whenever you buy into the vacation club it's usually whichever one they just built and then they keep offering that one until they've run out

of rooms for that to be someone's home resort interesting and then they switch to whatever new new one they're building so i think in like next year it's going to be the train one yeah where's the train one it's in florida but i kind of like it because it's train themed which i'm all about so um yeah we tried to ask if they were ever going to have any for the star wars hotel and they were like i don't think so yeah it's going to have any for the star wars hotel and they were like i don't think so yeah it's gonna be like a cruise ship type package so yeah when we were in in the 90s we were at old key west was our home one and that one's like it's pretty good because at least it's huge rooms huge rooms very boring it's that's the one my family usually likes it's

also really spread out so it takes a while to like wait at a bus stop. To like get to the bus and stuff. Yeah. The next time I go, I'm just going to Uber everywhere. Yes. Yeah. I did it on my last trip and I was like, oh my God, I saved like six hours a day of my life.

And now I can like park hop and it doesn't seem like a hassle. I was like, I'm never taking the buses again. It sounds easy and it sounds like a game changer. Yeah. And it's like $5 a ride because everything's like not that far. No. In Uber terms. Yeah. Sure. We did yeah and it's like five dollars a ride because everything's like not that far no we knew returns yeah sure we did that and it's great and everyone's gonna catch can i catch on at a certain point maybe we should edit this part out too we can't be giving these tips away for free people are like they have that forced frugality

where they're like you mean i can spend five dollars or waste an hour well i'm gonna take the free bus and it's like that's less than minimum wage if you're thinking about like the value of your time i don't know i don't get it yeah i think especially like dads get in that mode where they're like why would i pay extra when it can be free yeah oh for sure but i yeah there are certain times when like you got two hours to get to animal kingdom because they're open a little later for the avatar rides food reservation and you didn't plan ahead and especially if you're leaving a little later for the Avatar rides. Yeah, or you have a food reservation and you didn't plan ahead. And especially if you're leaving a park that's like emptying out. Yeah. You can end up

waiting like two hours to get a bus to your hotel and then they don't always stop at your hotel first. It's a nightmare. It all depends. Alright, Innoventions, right? Innoventions. I couldn't think of a segue back to it, but I forget that you could just say Innoventions. Yeah, that's what I, yeah. That's the segue. Does anyone have fun anecdotes about interventions either coast uh no uh i as a

child i remember so so as a child i was like oh yeah this is sonic's house sega so i went in there i was like so excited because i all i saw i didn't care about price point products yeah no because it would be like I can play Sonic And I think When I went All the machines were taken No And then at a certain point Because this is also

A phenomenon with arcades I think as a kid Is like Waiting for older kids To stop playing The game Oh right Because the older kids

Are also a little bossier And I was not Yeah they're intimidating Very intimidating I was not I was not an assertive Young man So I think I just stood there For a while, maybe played for five minutes,

and then my parents, I think, were like, we should go on a ride. Yeah. And that was it. I don't think I've done any other interventions. When I got to California, they had the House of Tomorrow. Of course. Did you watch the presentation? I can't remember. I'm sure we bummed around there a little. You and I I'm sure for a little bit. We played with the

touchscreens that were already way more outdated than the phones we had and they weren't. Maybe it was like first, fourth or fourth generation iPhones and you're like our phones are way better than these touchscreens and that's it I think. I think we did a little presentation. I think we saw some of a presentation

but I cannot tell you what it is the technology getting outdated a real syndrome of of this and any Disney arcade and Disney quest sort of thing yeah which relates to something that I learned about also from my my friends Tyler and Kia who were just there uh they spent some time in something called uh Colortopia brought to you by Gildan. Yes. Gildan Paint Company. Or Glidden? Oh, sorry. What is Colortopia?

I don't know. It sounds familiar. That is one of two things hanging on in Innoventions East. Colortopia is still there? Yes. Colortopia is still there. My friends did it last week. Is it just surrounded by construction walls?

I think so. Yeah, yeah. You're trying to shout over people jackhammering and stuff. So they were explaining it to me and yeah, so it's kind of this paint exhibit and it's hosted by Ty Burrell from Modern Family and they give you like

a, oh, what do you mean? It's very exciting. It's Mr. Dunphy. I love Ty Burrell, but I wouldn't call him an A-lister is all. Whenever any Modern Family cast member cameos in anything, stop the presses. It's a huge deal. This never happens. So my pet peeves coming out of the show.

So in this exhibit, Ty Burrell shows you how to you take like a fiber optics brush and you dip it into fiber optics uh paint cans this already sounds really fun to be honest it's a it's yeah well they so they're describing it to me at this dinner and say yeah it's actually pretty neat and you like you know you dip the brush and you can combine colors and you start with primary colors and then like mix them and that shows you how to make secondary colors and uh and my friends you know explaining details of this and then all of a sudden uh tyler interrupts and says I don't know why you're Talking about this so much this is the worst thing We did the entire vacation

This was so boring he said that it Reminded him of like a Flash experience that you'd find On new grounds Circa 1999 But if you're physically walking around with a Magical paintbrush it would feel like futuristic Yes

It looks a little like the old image works Yeah yeah yeah That journey into imagination And it sounds like a successor to it technology wise Yeah A successor to the thing where you pointed Fred Flintstone's head And turned him into leopard print It sounds like the thing they had at the Warner Brothers

Store in Woodfield Mall in Shawnee, Illinois You know what I'm talking about? Yes, Aaron mentioned that too when this came up And turned him into leopard print It sounds like the thing they had at the Warner Brothers store In Woodfield Mall in Shawnee, Illinois You know what I'm talking about? Yes, Aaron mentioned that too when this came up Yeah, in the Warner Brothers stores You could touch the screen and paint the Taz It's like blue and stuff

And I loved it as a kid Taz with green eyes, are you crazy? That's outrageous But I would do it, I would be crazy and do that as a child that's as crazy as i got stripes on foghorn leghorn you should you need to go to an institution you could spend at least a half hour doing that yeah yeah yeah oh so i love the warner brothers store we'll get to there's gonna be a full episode on the warner oh that's coming i had like a rocket you could climb in and you'd push buttons and they'd make sounds. Oh, yeah, yeah.

There was like a- It was like a rocket tube. Yeah. There was like a- Was it Marvin the Martian themed? Okay. Yeah, yeah. You know what killed the Warner Brothers store is they never carried any Pokemon things at any point.

Oh. That store still existed at the height of Pokemon and they would play the trailer for the movie in the store and you'd walk in like, oh my God, Pokemon. oh my god pokemon and they'd only have like golf tees with taz on them you'd be like where's the pokemon could essentially could have been like the san rio store but for poke yeah yeah could it have every other store and like the malls i went to growing up had pokemon stuff and even like a clothing store they just have a box of the bean bags like by the register yeah there's a box of cars just box bean bags and and be like oh we're wiped out we don't have any that could have saved the warner brother store okay this is a documentary waiting to happen

oh yeah who killed the electric car type which but which by the way i swear that was not just a ham-fisted segue there was stuff in in interventions about, GM did an exhibit about zero emissions electric vehicles. And was it that it's impossible? Yeah, yeah. It'll never happen. Garsh, that sounds too hard to even try. Yeah, it's too hard. They're never going to figure it out.

Like the universe of energy, like, but won't we run out of these finite fossil fuels? Well, yeah yeah but not for a really long time hey don't worry about it man it's too complicated we shouldn't think about it right now the the official mascot of interventions was a gray sedan like that is the thing i remember as a kid tom morrow well it was tom morrow but i also remember a lot of gray sedan but also it's okay so it was tom Morrow here on the West Coast Maybe we'll do like a full shift over to the West Coast But on the East Coast

It was a different robot Who you could see all the insides of I saw you send me a video clip of him rapping You saw it? Okay wonderful We're talking about Alektronic Who was a clear robot And this was really cool to me as a kid because he yeah he

looks totally crazy he's he just has clear a clear surface around him and wires and pistons and stuff inside because he is just an undressed animatronic like if lincoln didn't have any of his skin he would look like right electronic robot lincoln didn't have his skin Not if real The real human Abraham Lincoln Yeah Correct Thank you for clarifying Just making sure

Everyone knows So this was kind of This like centerpiece Yeah he was almost As close as there was To a mascot Of interventions Although not to be

Confused with Sky Cyberguy What? Who was a Motorola Animatronic who you could also meet in interventions but he was only in the Motorola part electronic was like

a host of the whole thing do you know the timeline on electronic because when you sent me that video I was wondering if Tom Morrow was just him with another head that they had hastily sent to the west coast for interventions that sounds because it didn't feel very planned and that looked like the same body,

but like, don't they all, you know? Maybe it was a last minute. Maybe they're like, we need an animatronic. Because Tom Morrow felt like an afterthought and had such an incredible range of motion considering how little he entertained people. Yes, which people walked past him. And I mean it in terms of time,

but also in terms of entertainment value. This is the one voiced by Nathan Lane. Yes. That sang an update of- And he had horrible hair. Yeah. It looked like it was just like magnetic tape. Yeah, he sang It's a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow, but yeah, he had weird curly hair.

But like about products you could buy. Yes. And I didn't realize until recently that he had four different songs to preference, four different pre-shows. Oh my God. I think they quickly stopped running most of them because I only ever saw The House of the Future, to my knowledge. But I guess there was a sports one. There was like a communication one. I don't know what the fourth one was. Art, entertainment or something.

There was also this little fellow in Florida. Is this Tom Morrow 2.0? Yes. Yeah. And I never saw him. I saw him on eBay a little while ago. Really? Yeah. And I think it was the version of him they used for promotional videos and not the actual one from the park. But yeah, he was in rough shape and he was on eBay. How much was he? A lot.

Like 10 grand? No, probably like two grand, but like a lot for what he is. Yeah. Sure. He seemed much more endearing. I think we could get him for, we should buy him if he's two grand. Well, he's gone now. I mean, for like $600, you could get the for, we should buy him if he's two grand. Well, he's gone now. I mean, for like

$600, you could get the Dance and Henry from the dance machine that's now a Woody. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wait, what's Dance and Henry? I don't know about this. I forget what the bear was called, but now it's called like Woody's Roundup and you can have Woody dance by pressing buttons. Oh. And it's just a little coin

operating machine. It's in Frontierland. It looks like an old Penny Arcade. There's like a Pinocchio version too somewhere, right? Oh, yeah, there is. Or there used to be. I don't know if there still is. Somewhere. Maybe it's on Main Street, the Pinocchio one. I think it's in the confectionery on Main Street. I think it is. I think it's on the right wall where all the popcorn is. You know, a little dancing guy. So we

can't move past electronic without talking about the rap. No. So I don't know the full range of what he did exactly Exactly his full show But I found the one That is clearly the only one To care about which is and I don't know why Why the robot host of a

Computer electronic show Does this but there is a rap That he does about the Recent presidents of the United States Wasn't like Lyndon B. Johnson in the lineup He goes back that far. Comedy cult. He goes back to Kennedy.

He kind of closes. Yeah, he makes fun of all of the stereotypes that we know about LBJ. Yeah, you can tell he's doing voice impressions. And I was like, I don't know if this is what Lyndon B. Johnson sounded like. I have no idea. I only know about Lyndon B. Johnson at all

because there's a robot of him at his own presidential library in Austin, Texas. That's pretty cool. It's pretty crazy. And you watch him tell folksy stories and then you hear disembodied applause. Is it like a Carousel of Progress type experience? It's just you can walk right up to it. Oh, my God.

Can you touch it? It's just like you round a corner and then like, ah, oh, my God. Can you lay your hands on it? You're probably not supposed to. You probably could. You could maybe let him do his entire speech while just holding his lower lip. I just want to feel his cheek muscles move under my hands. Is it still there?

Caress his face. Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. You can look up videos of this really insane. There'll be an episode about it. I'm going to guess if there's any part they don't want you to touch, it would be the face. Yeah. The most precarious.

The droopy dog face. Yeah. I would like that robot to be programmed To play the audio tapes of the Do you know the phone call where he gives a Tailor oh my god Like he's talking to a tailor I think back in Texas of like yeah I just want you to take the crotch out

A little pants were real good It's crazy that I don't know why that exists I don't know why it exists at all Did the tailor record it like for posterity I don't know It is exists. I don't know why it exists at all. Did the tailor record it? Like for posterity? I don't know. I think it is from an official White House recording. I mean, I guess either they did or LBJ did. Yeah.

It's in the Library of Congress. He just loved his, he loved the pants, but he wanted a little more breathing room in the crotch. Sure. And also, it's a lot more vulgar than what I am saying. Oh, yeah. It's very. Very coarse.

It was a coarse man. Yeah. Yeah. He seems unpleasant. But none very, very coarse. It was a coarse man. Yeah. Yeah. He seems unpleasant. But none of this is addressed in the rap. Mike, what would you like to display to us from the president's rant? Well, I'm just going to play a second. The whole thing will obviously post on Twitter.

But let's just just so you guys can get a hint of what is going on here. A guy with a thousand points of luck. The name is Ron and my friend's item is the Worry Runs of Death Valley Tea. My name is Jimmy and I'm here to run the country and help Billy sell beer. And help Billy sell beer. A lot of like C-grade impressions of not relevant presidents. No.

Yeah, and he also, the Ford one, it's just a joke that Chevy chased it. He's like, I fall down a lot or something. My name is Jerry. My name is Jerry. I slip and fall. Pillows and mattresses line my wall. Oh, yeah.

Gerald Ford lines his home with soft things because he... And also lining your wall ain't going to help you too much. You want those mattresses on the floor. He might also fall sideways into things with a trajectory going. That's true. It makes sense. So you need it all around. Clearly you've never had his problem before.

Gerald Ford needs to live in Goofy's bounce house. Yeah. It is also the same... I mean, this has been used many times, but it's a Super Bowl shuffle. Very familiar. My name is blank. Right.

They want to make sure you understand the impressions because they can't trust you two without identifying who they're doing an impression of like any good comedy act. Not that good. Yes. Every impressions should say, Oh, I'm...

That's how a lot of people start impressions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah., I'm... That's how a lot of people start impressions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my favorite thing when people start an impression and have to say I'm and the name of the person they're trying to do. Well, we're describing the best content on YouTube, which is I'm Stewie. Oh, God. Or that guy, no, I shouldn't say it. 7 million views. I shouldn't say it, I won't.

It's an actual YouTuber. There's no way to know I'll tell you after There are 250 YouTubers Who do Stewie Griffin impressions Look I'm starting shit with Tom Morrow Who technically was the mayor of Tomorrowland Unofficially

Oh was he? That's true He's also kind of a mayor They still mention him on the PeopleMover Oh that's right Hey Gene Tom Morrow Tom Morrow So that's the question i is that that's

referencing the tom morrow in epcot i believe it is i think he was a well in general i think he was a recurring character name huh yeah that's interesting we we came upon i forget did the episode come out where we sort of because you know see the society of explorers and adventurers but we came up with another thing we think we should pitch called space. I would love that. And we're not sure. Tomorrowland extended universe. Yes. Because it does exist.

Yeah. There's a lot of aldermen in Tomorrowland 94. There's a lot of bureaucratic positions. So with people like Sunny Eclipse. Hmm. When will we talk about Sunny Eclipse? Boy, that would be A great topic to address More on that later

Should we use the Animatronics as the juncture point To switch over to West Coast Innoventions As we've already talked a little bit about Would you know a bunch more About, yes, you've spent Seemingly a lot of

Time in there, potentially Compared to other people, regular people So yes, you've spent seemingly a lot of time in there, potentially. Certainly enough. Compared to other people, regular people. So, yeah, you're, all right. This was part of New Tomorrowland 1998. One of the major parts of it, and I was such a weird, poisoned kid that when I read that on Disneyland.com in the computer lab in sixth grade which is where i i spent lunch looking at uh disneyland.com instead of socializing and i i have a very specific memory of going to

the website and saying oh interventions is coming out here well that's a smart idea and i probably went and told that to another kid who just like snarled at me and looked away smacked a lunch bag out of my hand we went to the opening of tomorrowland 1998 oh wow really very little i barely remember it but i do remember the ceo came out and talked and then flung a bunch of like astronaut mickey beanbags into the crowd and we caught quite a few of them they tossed a lot so my aunt like found one recently and she sent it to me in the mail just like, I thought you'd want this. So I have a Mickey Mouse beanbag

astronaut. Wow, have you tweeted that? I should. I think it's literally in my apartment, so I should. Wow. The listeners want to see that beanbag. They gotta see that beanbag. He even still has his tag on because it was just one that my aunt had so it was never played with. That's great.

How much things have changed you were just encouraged encouraged to play with that mickey that was thrown to you as opposed to eat that yeah uh at an opening attraction new tomorrow land i believe other than cosmetic changes like moving the astro orbiter and things i think that the only new things were autopia and Innoventions. And I might be wrong about that. But I think otherwise it was just Rocket Rods. Rocket Rods. Can't forget Rocket Rods. Which I rode, I think, twice before it closed.

That's what I did too. Wow. It's pretty good. Twice is pretty good. And I really liked Rocket Rods. You know, I actually remember that after the Mega Wait that I sort of, I enjoyed it more than I thought because it had been built so down. Yeah.

I remember both times we went really early, so we didn't probably wait more than a half hour, which is really nice. Oh, really? But the trick was being there when it didn't shut down. I think there was at least one time we waited in line and it closed. A hard trick to pull off. Which is pretty common. So you're at the first day when interventions is sparkling and new the only real thing i remember about opening day was like after getting beanbags

was um walking in and being really impressed by the neon mickey that tumbles in his astronaut gear do they still have that or they sure they do god bless it i loved that i was so impressed where if it ever goes away, that's when I protest. That's when I throw pipe bombs. So yeah, I remember the gift shop had all these Tomorrowland things in it and I remember the Mickey on the wall but I don't remember doing a lot else that day.

But yeah, I have vivid memories of like Innoventions the new attraction and being excited to find out what it is and like queuing up to go into interventions and watch the pre-show and everything um and then yeah it's really just an ad for things i remember that right up until their closing they still had like a large section where you would play ps1 games like the playstation 1 lilo and stitch game oh yeah i remember that closing day of interventions they still had that

and i want to say that game is from like 2006 sure oh my god it was so old by that point they had some like disney infinity stuff too toward the end right which should have been an omen and was it still called interventions when they had like the marvel stuff open on the top then it was uh star wars launch bay and marvel headquarters i think and that's what they renamed it the tomorrowland expo center and they put up on the outside cute retro looking stark expo posters oh that's right okay like an apt use of the space because it does that world's fair vibe sure but the the contents were not interesting or good but like visually it was was a nice concept. I think there was one or two Marvel things when it was still an invention.

It was the Thor meet and greet and then Spider-Man meet and greet. Oh, I did the Thor meet and greet. And the Iron Man suits. And maybe Captain America 2. Yeah, and the Iron Man suits where you could do, again, connect technology.

Yes. Where it would look like it put the suit on you. I did the Thor. And then I think send you a GIF of it or something. And then the empty area where like, Awesome-O would come out. Yes, I wanted to talk about Awesome-O. I love Home of the Future.

I love that in their version of the future, they had what was basically Alexa technology, but instead of it just being a box that you set in your living room, they thought that it would be a 500 pound, four foot tall boy robot that walks around and it can only really do things like call people for you order a pizza add something to your grocery list like literally nothing beyond what alexa can do but it has to be a fully mobile

500 pound boy and it shuffles around your house ominously and he has to be next to four massive microsoft surface yes tabletops that are pushed together and yeah already out of date and he knows your voice and they never made it clear from like a cultural perspective what awesome oh is doing when he's not doing like tasks for you like do you think he goes on autopilot in their imagining of it and just wanders your house or do you think he stands in a corner unmoving until you acknowledge him put him in a closet i was gonna say yeah yeah like what is life with awesome oh yeah i it depends what how off like how often you have to charge him i feel like it feels like probably really probably really often so So you probably,

or I want to hope that he knows himself how to navigate to a charger and plug himself in, but I'm not confident that's the case. I would like us taking a nap or going to sleep. I would like to think that he knows, but he can't get there and he has to like, hold up to you for help. He holds up his plug and goes, please plug,

please. I can feel the windows ninenawing and uninstalling Edwin stands and clearly wants a walker food I remember for a time he ran but it happened frequently enough that he would fall over backwards that they discontinued his running because he was so heavy

and fragile that when he would fall over backwards they were told not to move him so they would come out with like a portable curtain yes they just bring a wall out backwards they were told not to move him so they would come out with like a portable uh curtain yes they just bring a wall out which was the same thing they would do with the meet and greet wally when he broke down they would bring out a little curtain like a changing screen and just put it around him and have everyone leave oh that's why he's too heavy to move yeah that was the same with wally i think wally weights like 400 pounds or something. I think if you're living with Asimo, like a dog who wants to play catch or play frisbee,

Asimo constantly wants to show you that he can climb the stairs. Yes. And he does it really slowly. And he's wide enough that you can't go around him. And he can't turn around once he starts. Can I go up the stairs for you? Can I fetch you a glass of water? Particularly one up the stairs for you? Can I fetch you a glass of water? Particularly one up the stairs.

He moves like half a mile an hour around the house. His steps are so careful. Osimo, it's really okay. I can run up. No, no. Let Osimo do it. Osimo can't climb stairs. And if he's halfway up and you change your mind,

he has to complete the ascent because he can't turn around without falling it's okay you can stop no i can't i will fall what do you have a curtain otherwise i must finish climbing the stairs what am i even doing anymore fuck man who is awesome oh if awesome oh cannot climb stairs is there awesome oh um i i believe this was so it was called dream home right i loved dream home dream home yes that's what i was talking about with the screens yeah yeah with the smart screens by hp microsoft and taylor morrison a home building company taylor morrison okay i remember one time

i was there and they were doing their spiel about the tv and it was like a smart tv this was like in the end times of interventions like in the last five years so it was a smart tv but it was connected to wi-fi and they were trying to show us the like beautiful picture quality like the high def picture but uh the wi-fi wasn't good. So it was the worst image quality ever. It was like 240p. And there were only about like five people watching. And my sister said, much too loud. It looks terrible. And she said it to me, but everybody heard and the host had to awkwardly be like, it's well, that's because of the internet speed, but the capabilities of the TV are much better. So like they had to talk back to her saying that it looked really bad. And awkwardly be like uh it's well that's because of the internet speed but the capabilities of the tv

are much better so like they had to talk back to her saying that it looked really bad and i was mortified disneyland uh not great internet not great wi-fi still still the hotels have gotten a lot better but the walk around life is well even the for employees the wi-fi is not good there are several like info kiosks they kept having to move because you couldn't get Wi-Fi at them. In fact, I think right now the one on the pier, like Pixar Pier, it's called now. The kiosk used to be closer to the Incredicoaster line and they moved it across the way. And now it just never has Wi-Fi. And the Wi-Fi is slightly better, but now it's really loud because you have to hear Dash screaming every time.

Oh, yeah. So I think at the time that I left, everyone was begging them to move it. And I don't think they have yet. I did just go there for something, and it was something they couldn't do because they weren't hooked up to something or other. Yeah, they can't set you up with, like, if you're handicapped and you get the return times, they can't do that without Wi-Fi and they can't give you fast passes. They can't book anything.

Basically every aspect of their job except giving you buttons or walking directions can't be done without Wi-Fi. It's one of the few things that Universal Hollywood outpaces, probably because they are owned by Comcast, an information services company as opposed to being the company that tried to start go.com

right always a spotty history with Disney and the internet he tried to start go.com wow yeah that was their like competitor to Google or to ask oh my god yeah that's why their sites is still Disney.go Disney. Oh my is it really, that's why their site is still Disney.go. Oh, Disney. Oh my. Is it really?

Yeah, if you go to like Book Hotel or check out the ride times and stuff, it's Disney.go.com. Yikes. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. So, in other words, in 2015, Disney had a big display of poor Wi-Fi and video games from 2006. Yeah. Here is a take from me. Of all the things, I'll just do the last.

I'll just do it in my lifetime since I've been going to Disneyland. Interventions Disneyland, I think, is the worst thing passed off as an attraction. And I count Superstar Limo. I can't because that's a ride ride It is a stupid yes but a ride Rocket rods you did go really fast What is the That building is so big A massive footprint

They dare Call that an attraction Are you kidding me If you list it under Glorified shops If that's the heading on the map Then sure And I don't think these are bad

The tortilla tour At least you get a tortilla Yes you get a tortilla I agree I'm just trying to throw things out here The bread tour you get a piece of bread The caterpillar Heimlich's choo choo train No not Heimlich's choo-choo train No not Heimlich's choo-choo train

The farm equipment Oh right Bountiful Valley Farm Bountiful Valley Farm Yeah You might have me on You'd find me have one Cornstalk characters

Which automatically makes it better than Innoventions Yeah Yeah Although does Asamo not Do you agree with my statement? Oh you're right Asamo is pretty good

Yeah yeah yeah Maybe it depends on if you were there in Asamo era But he was not always running. Oh, okay. Yeah. A single Segway. And he was a late addition, I think, too. Yeah, not so like-

He's still on the- He's on the Autopia now. Yeah. Not doing much. I've always wondered if those are actual Awesome-Os who have just been disabled or if they- Oh, it's that too. I think they're Awesome-O shells, but how scary to think that they have like a full brain And can like recognize faces

And are capable of walking But not allowed to But I will never climb stairs again It doesn't move though right? On the Autopia isn't it? No it's bird moves It's bird with a Y The most famous moving robot

Is on the car ride and can't move. I think one of them waves. Yeah, the one that you can see from the train waves to you. Oh, yeah, yeah. He turns his head. He does like a Miss America wave. That's something. It's nice.

Worth keeping that attraction. Keep that forever. Keep Innoventions and Empty Husk forever. Yeah, Autopia is another huge footprint That could really be something better Or at least electric Just gonna put it out there Sure, oh sure It's kind of embarrassing in Tomorrowland

To have gas-powered vehicles Well, doesn't Tokyo have electric ones? I think they do Or at least they announced they're going to A million dollars a car Yeah, we didn't do it And I don't remember where it is But I don't know if it was

I mean, can they get like Tesla to sponsor it or something well that's i mean that that's my big thing because um in michael eiser's pitch to to the viewing public about interventions he said like only the best of the in their fields are going to be here so so honda yeah yeah honda gm i mean so when it first opened, it was GM and Sega. And it was Chevron, too, initially, of Autopia. They had the Chevron car mascots. Oh, that's when they had the faces. Yeah, that was cool. But I always wondered, why didn't they just turn interventions over to Apple?

Turns out Apple was an original tenant of interventions, but it was 1994 apple when they were selling the newton their version of the pop pilot oh no it was the most awkward era of apple the most awkward between steve's which uh right the fewest steve's were pre-net yeah and pre-next uh when when steve like sold that and then came back to Apple. Yeah, so that was very but like, yeah, you'd think like Apple and Tesla like taking it over could do something. Companies like

that could do something. Though probably best that there's not a platform for Elon Musk. Yeah, I don't know. He's a rat. He's a bum. Maybe like five years ago Elon Musk Before people like knew really what he was like Yeah yeah Before we knew any facts

He was just the guy that owned a company that was doing well And all I remember hearing like you know He's actually kind of like the real life Iron Man No but he loves the idea that he's Iron Man I think there's an Iron Man statue Inside of SpaceX. Oh, sure.

There's also one of Rick from Rick and Morty. So, you know. So, two statues, zero unions. Yeah. I mean, we can't deny that both Tony Stark and Rick would be anti-union. Oh, yeah. A hundred, yeah. That's why those are the statues.

Rick does not exactly think collectively. This is the first episode of ours posted on Reddit with 796 comments. 2,000 down votes. Stay away from Rick. Oh, boy. Our first real death threat. And they didn't tell us how they're getting into Galaxy's Edge. That's true.

This is why you withhold the information. Yeah. You have to earn that. Now, but you talk about leaders in your field. Of course, there were leaders in their fields at Innoventions 98. And I'm talking about Kaiser Permanente. Thrive. Right.

The second floor was health geared. I also remember my first trip to Innoventions, they had a tiny corral of Segways. And I found that really exciting. It was the first time I had seen or heard of a Segway. But I was very young and you had to be 18 to try the Segways. So basically anyone old enough to try them was too old to be interested in trying them. All the children wanted to ride the Segways, but it was not allowed. It was a liability.

You had to sign a waiver before getting on the Segway. Oh, yeah. In inventions, you can sign waivers that you've never dreamed of. Wasn't the Segway, there was like a Segway tour of California Adventure as well? California Adventure just a few years ago. We've talked about that before, I think. I regret never doing that. So that was all probably from the same batch of Segways?

Yeah, the same sponsorship. You're right. They would wrangle them from the corral and take them over to California Adventure. The running of the segways. It was so cute, it was like a segway petting farm. Like it was maybe like a 10 foot diameter little thing and like everyone was just like having to go and then stop

because there were so many segways in this tiny little circle. It really was like a segway corral, like they were going to round them up for branding or something. But it was kind of eating time yeah they were milling around electricity little pellets from a machine and have them come up to you over the fence bolts um i that's insane i uh if i could talk about this kaiser permanente thing really fast i i sent you I sent you guys a video Oh yeah you could weigh yourself The thing you least want to do At a theme park

How much do you weigh And then it would give you like pointers on how to Lose weight And like calculated your BMI for you And then went like you might want to eat less carbs After you just like ate a churro It's like cool I love this Oh yeah wait there was also Confusingly there was also a thing that was sponsored by cards. For God's sake. After you just like ate a churro. It's like, cool. I love this. Oh, yeah.

Well, there was also, confusingly, there was also a thing that was sponsored by St. Joseph's Hospital. What? Like the Children's Hospital? Yeah. It's kind of a downer. This attraction was called Healthy University. That's where you could calculate your BMI, play virtual sports games, and have a chance to see yourself

50 years in the future. Oh, no. You're fat. Here's what you're gonna look like Before you die 50 years is like Not fun for anyone even if you're Really young at least if they said 10 years Maybe if you're 10 you want to see yourself as like A hot 20 year old and be like oh good

It's all gonna work out Hey I get pretty But yeah at no There's no age at which 50 years you're going to be like, you're looking forward to that. But 50 years gives them a huge margin for error because no one can look at it and go, that can't be right.

Because 50 years is so long. What if you were 80? Oh no, it shows you like a skeleton. It shows you at 130. It just shows you the skeleton dance short that plays in the face. So also, there's a Kaiser Permanente thing, and I found a video about Kaiser Permanente's, it was from their YouTube channel, that was from, you know, Kaiser Permanente's video magazine, Perspectives.

This is now posted to their YouTube channel where it has a solid 791 views. Oh my gosh. And I hope, hey, listeners, get up there. Let's get them to 1,000. PTR Army, let's help Kaiser thrive. And you'll also get to see Charlie McMillan the president of the McMillan group which is something that Has to do with Kaiser Why is he hanging out there to give an awesome-o type show every hour

Show us what you can do Charlie Let me just show Since you didn't see this video Jenny let me just show you some stills Of the boardroom where people Wait was that a physical thing inside Oh that's a video no this

Is this is people brainstorming at easels Uh the Uh you know what the attraction is going To be and this is a Purple plastic wall that Says magnetic madness Magnetic resonance imaging And then here's the lady who's the host

Of perspectives in front of a like Literally just get an MRI at Disneyland Yo why were there like hey Think about MRIs Always a good sign when you're getting one of those People love MRIs Not only that but you could Do a practice

Ultrasound You could like rub the little arm On to something or other somewhere Little belly and in the frame that I have in front of me I sent you guys a video But I don't know if you saw this detail Well yeah you're looking at sort of a simulation Of a little baby black and white in the womb

Aren't ultrasounds like x-rays Where like you're not supposed to get them for fun Like it's not great for you So you're supposed to do it sparingly It's better I think than an x-ray But I don't know that it's not I think I remember some news story Where where a rich celebrity bought an ultrasound because his wife was pregnant and he just enjoyed using it recreationally. He's like, if we buy one,

we can use it all the time. And I remember the news was very much like, this is not a thing you should have done because it's not medically responsible responsible to do that all the time i don't editorialize very much but i need to i need to say something here this edward r murrow moment maybe it was a question of like if you're not a licensed tech it can be dangerous but i don't know the impression i got was you're not supposed to just go let's look in your arm it's disneyland boy well i had a great day at Disneyland. I did an MRI. I did a false ultrasound. And I went on seven roller coasters. Anyway, can't wait to have that baby next month.

And doesn't an MRI take a long time? I want to imagine they put you in the tube for like 45 minutes. I think so. Also very loud, right? Very loud. Creepy noises. I don't know if there was. I think so. Also very loud, right? They're very loud. Creepy noises. I don't know if there was. The tech can shout over it.

I'm not entirely sure that there was like a fake MRI, but you could learn about MRIs. Maybe they had like a puppet MRI, kind of like the House of the Future demonstration where there wasn't really someone on the phone. Right. So it's like the machine's not really on. It just screams at you. And then it goes, look, that's their brain. And it's like an actor.

Oh, okay. They should have put Awesome-O in the MRI. Oh, God. It's okay. You're in here with me. Would that be like putting a fork in a microwave? I feel like something bad would happen. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I climbed in here with you so I could keep you company. Ah,

zap, fire. You burn up too. They should have put the old John animatronic from the Carousel progress in the mri machine yeah that would have been better i can't like a turtle if i'm on my back i can't get up so someone please help me the the the frame in the ultrasound point that can't get up so the frame in this Kaiser Permanente video where they're showing you the fake ultrasound, it has a big blue bar up at the top of it.

And children are looking at this. The big blue bar says, current view, genitalia. No. This is what they showed in their YouTube video. Computer, enhance. No. Wow, mom. So that's what a baby's dick looks like.

Why are they doing that? That's bizarre. I don't know. Interventions where you can see unborn babies. It feels like the Imagineers had nothing to do with this. I hope not. Like, it just feels like this is a separate thing from the rest of Disney. I feel like they were involved as much as a teacher's involved in a group project you might have

where they like check in on your idea and give you gentle guidance. And like the more lost you are, the more they step in. Right. It's a nurturing role. Although maybe somebody's like, my proudest accomplishments at Disney,

California Screamin' and Tower of Terror and gotta go with the Baby Genitalia Machine. Yep. My three proud... Put those on my tombstone. I was the one who made the choice that interventions in Epcot,

the pathways through it, would look like little roads. So there was white lines with brakes that you could pass and yellow lines if you shouldn't be walking on that side. It added some whimsy. Yes. Roads indoors, they said.

They laughed me out of the room, but I showed them. Well, if you were on a Segway, that would make a lot more sense. Now it has a division of the traffic lines, right or left. All the sidewalks are going to have that when Segways are the new thing. It's coming up any day now. We're going to wake up and it's going to have that when segues are the new thing. Yeah, you're right. Any day now. Yep. We're going to wake up and it's going to happen. Yeah.

We're in segue world. Tomorrowland 2020 will be the future that never was, but it was the future predicted in 1999. So a lot of segues, a lot of like in the promotional, one of the intervention specials are like in the future, your phone's just going to disappear. You won't have a phone. It'll be in your TV and your coffee maker. And you have Osimo instead of a smartphone. And you have Osimo. Yeah.

And they were kind of right. And also they were horrifically wrong. Now our phones are like drugs that we can never be without. Well, yeah, maybe this was a juncture point in Britain. Maybe we wouldn't be in all the messes that we're in if we didn't have these things. And we just had little eager awesomes want to climb stairs for us. More curved metal, more curved plastics. And we all go out and we're not connected to each other because we're looking at our phones. But if to be connected to the internet require

you to carry around a 500 pound baby at all times. Yeah, we need to go. This is the this is the almanac. I want to go back and when you want a picture of something you say awesome. Oh, take a picture. And he goes like, well, would you like me to take a picture of and you have to like point your finger very

precisely what he's going to take a picture of? And you have to point your finger very precisely at what he's going to take a picture of. It's a three-minute ordeal. You have to kind of lean over his shoulder to see what it'll look like from his perspective. And then he emails it to you and you can look at it at home. Portrait or landscape. Yeah. It will be from a low POV. I am very short.

A lot of them flattering selfies. Instagram would have never existed. Sure. From a low POV I am very short Unless I climb stairs Instagram would have never existed Just everyone from chin down Awesome Mo is the solution To the selfie But if you were using a stranger's Awesome Mo It would be constant Sorry I security lock

How do I Recognize your face so he would not focus on you I was not told I can trust you. You are not my owner. I would also like it if he was just like upset when you would check and make sure he was doing something. No, I'm OK. I took a few. Come on.

It's fine. You don't need to check. Who are you, mom? Dad? I am never shaky. I'm very very steady get off my ass everyone i'm tired of this so did you guys experience the uh show that was in the smart home like not only the intro show that with awesomo and the interactive stuff but um they had a tiny theater you could go into right where you would go on a virtual vacation to one of three places oh oh yeah the walls were screens and they would

pump one smell per location so if it was like a camp it would be like a woodsy smell or if it was a jungle it would be like some kind of tropical smell or like beach smell and the seats didn't move and i think there were only like five seats it was like a single row of movie theater chairs and then you picked your destination and they'd be like okay you're at a vineyard and you'd be like oh and and then you'd leave is so is that as if soon you will take vacations in chairs at home i guess they thought in the future and since you have all your walls be screens and buy scents. And there will be just different vats of scents that you will keep for different vacations.

Exactly. Instead of just buying a candle, you're going to get a scent machine. That's like vacations of Fahrenheit 451. That sounds like a nightmare. And I was always questioning the like, how much of a return you get for a room with walls that are screens over just looking at a video of the same image. Yeah.

How much more are you deceived by bigger screens than just like, you still don't think you're there. Right. No. And the Wi-Fi keeps cutting out. Yeah. And it's all low res. And it's not VR. If you... there right no and the wi-fi keeps cutting out yeah and it's not vr if you yeah no it's not we're we're adults so it wouldn't trick us but if you had a child and raised it in a world where they thought that was traveling yeah so if you're constantly deceiving your own child into thinking

they're going on vacations yeah then uh Then, yeah, you raise them that way. You train them not to enjoy vacations, so they make no demands of you. Don't ever get curious about the outside world. See, look, we just stepped into another room which took us to Colonial Williamsburg, which smelled like tar, so you never want to go there again.

I hope you want to go back because we bought at least a liter of the tar smell. And it's super concentrated, so we have to go at least 60 more times to get our money's worth. Unless any of you folks would like some tar scent. Yeah. Your dad got upsold on tar smell

at the vacation store. Salesmen really talked it up. If you get five at once It's like four of them are free You gotta get the tar I don't I went in it I think but my memory Of it is just so nothing

They had every room so they had like the kitchen Which was the demo space There was a piano in there right Yeah there was a smart piano But like people would play it as well. They would. I think I tried playing it. I think the thing that made it smart was the keys would light up

to a guitar hero of a piano experience. Yes, that's right. So if you didn't know how to play, in theory, it would teach you, which I think is a tech people buy now. Yeah, it is. I think people do have smart pianos that do that. We had a keyboard that did that in like 1995. But it was built into a real piano.

Oh, it was built into... Oh piano oh it was built into oh okay yeah well i think keyboards have done that for a long time yeah yeah i feel like you and i were in that room and i think i sat down at the piano maybe maybe i'm mixing up my time so i definitely remember i i remember going once in like 2012 and making the connection of like oh dream home like house of the like the old house of the future how cool what an interesting throwback concept and they did not lean on the nostalgia they just leaned on the microsoft yeah not at all i remember being more entertained by like at some point you got like one of the light bulbs that you can change the colors on from your phone like yeah 2011 or 2012 and we were all kind of like oh shit

check this out and that entertained us for longer i think than the house the tree oh yeah they had that was like a missing the mark kind of thing was um they did have app controlled light dimmers and i think in theory like the temperature control although obviously you couldn't actually control it in the demo um but instead of deciding it would be on your phone they believed that in the future people would attach tablets to their walls permanently and just go up to the tablet to control it instead of like having a thing in your pocket to control it from so you know if you want to do the lights in every room you have to walk to the wall switch tablet so it's not any more

convenient than having a dimmer switch i used to work at an office that had like some tablets framed outside of like common you like conference rooms and stuff so that you could like you could just slide over. You could slide over just whether it was occupied or not, which must have just been like the photos app on an iPad. And those iPads were turned on for about two weeks i think and then just i could see it having that instead of a switch if it fulfilled like many functions like if it was lights temperature whether it's occupied what's in it and then maybe an app if you're lost in the building and need to know where to go but it seemed like it only ever replaced a

thing a switch could do and did the same thing a switch would do yeah i think they had that neil patrick harris's character has that on an ipad in gone girl and it's meant to be like look at this insane person who's got surveillance and can control everything in his home from his ipad look at this uh a weirdo a man of the future a man of the future. A man of the future. You want to be like Neil Patrick Harris in Gone Girl. Spoiler alert, he does not get to see much of that future, folks. Yeah, it doesn't work out so great for him. You know,

in keeping with interventions being the home of characters no one is fond of, there was also apparently something called Body Builder, a 3D game allowing guests to build a digital human body. It featured the voice of Wallace Shawn as Dr. Bones. That's great. Well, I'm kind of into it.

I wish I had met Dr. Bones. Yeah, but nobody ever told you it was good. But he was just a digital character? I guess so, and maybe just a voice. Yeah. So how good could it have been if nobody ever Alerted you that there was a wall of Sean Dr. Bones only in theme parks that you

Could go see cause there's no park Scale for this there's no park star Dr. Bones that I have or anything These are think about this list electronic Tom Morrow Tom Morrow 2.0 None of them are park stars They made six five waves of them Even Sunny Eclipse is a park star.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, there's much more obscure characters in Sunny Eclipse, too, in the park stars. Who would you say is the most obscure park star? Oh, that's a good question that I now feel like I set it up. I got one. Yeah. Laguna Gator.

Yes, that's good. Oh, the old mascot of Typhoon Lagoon? Typhoon Lagoon, yeah. Okay. Yeah, not the Blizzard Beach guy. The brother of Ice Gator. Is he no longer the mascot? I think he might still be.

He was never prominent like Ice Skater. Not as obscure. Well, Wally Bogue is kind of obscure. Wally Bogue, the human man, is a park star? He is a park star. Yes, I have him. Wally Bogue, Abraham Lincoln, and I feel like there's one other real life person. Abraham Lincoln is also an animatronic.

Wally Bogue is not. No, he's a man. He's definitely a man. That's what makes that really weird. Yeah, I forget. Abraham Lincoln is also an animatronic. Wally Bogue is not. No, he's a man. He's definitely a man. That's what makes that really weird. Yeah. I thought you could get a Wally Bogue. Yeah. That's pretty cool. But no Eisner. No Eisner Park Star. We want more Eisner merch. That's a big thing on this podcast. Why? Like for voodoo purposes? No, we like

him. We have a fondness for him. We have the specials when he would introduce. Did he just spend an hour and a half complaining about an attraction that he thought of? Yes, but. Yeah, he tried to make himself a character like a Walt Disney. And he succeeded in our hearts. And we want a $100 deluxe toy of him. We won't stop until we get it.

Oh, like one of those super realistic ones that they make of Marvel characters. Like this Adam West. The Hot Toys ones. Hot Toys.ys, Adam West Batman I have over here. Yes, that's what we want. Michael Eisner. Are we anywhere near the 100th episode of this show? Did we determine? Close.

If we're, okay. This is 80. I have this as 80 in my weird numbering system that's just for me. I'm going to tease a little something. Oh. weird numbering system that's just for me i'm gonna tease a little something oh i have a michael eisner related surprise that i will be really that i will be sharing with you guys and the audience for the 100th episode 100th episode spectacular let that be an exciting about this almost as exciting as my father being on the show a lot to look forward to. Gotta edit that one out. That's a surprise. Yeah, yeah. Oh, shoot.

A lot of edits in this one. Well, what have we missed? You know, I don't think we like, I don't think we really acknowledged enough. Oh, I didn't talk about Bedroom of the Future. Oh, please. Yes, do. Which was the final room of the House of the Future. And it was like a girl's room.

And it also had a tablet control. But it also had like a smart mirror where you could virtually try on outfits and clueless yeah and it was very dated tech so it did not work well it was just kind of a hovering image of a cartoon outfit in front of your body that like kind of

synced up to your movements and we went in there today it would be readily something that you could easily do. Probably on your phone. No, you could probably do an app where you take a picture of yourself and upload it to a site or something. I would imagine. But they also had like a computer that I think had its own game of some kind.

But my sister went over to it and immediately hit control alt delete, I guess, just to see what it did. And it just crashed everything in the room so the mirror had like an error warning that popped up like on the smart mirror which was obviously just a screen hooked up to a computer that was in the same system and she was like oh oh no something happened and i was just immediately like we have to go and i just like physically dragged her out of the room i was like i want to be out of this house of the future before someone notices that you broke it but um yeah that's my strongest memory about the house of the future were you worried that the control alt delete would also turn the osmos evil yes everything's going south which they couldn't they couldn't really chase after you but

if you were running outside and one of them was trying to climb stairs. Well, they would start to jog after us, but fall over backwards. No gods, no masters. No gods, no masters. But it would remember my face after it looked at me. So you're never really clear of Asimo. He went back four years later. Yeah. As soon as he's back on his feet, he'll just start walking toward you and never tire.

Take this. It's like It Follows, but with Asimo. That's a good idea. He's slow, but he doesn't stop. It might take, it might be like 12 years, but he will track you down.

And he might need a stranger to like put him back on his feet every now and then. Please help. Yeah. I don't think we acknowledged enough that they suckered the Sherman brothers into doing a new, right? did they re-lyricize it

yeah and in this opening special that i found they you can see them singing the new song yeah i just assumed someone else redid the lyrics nope they like we did it he had a song about sports he had a song about the house. I think they did it. I think they wrote them. That's devastating. I found the video. I'll send it around. You can see them go, it's a great big world of interventions.

It kind of crushes your spirit. It's like, I don't know. It has a vibe. It feels like watching the guy. And this is when they were both still alive. Yeah. That's even sadder. What if it was the one guy's last work It could have been Is the surviving one the lyricist

Or the melody man I think it's the lyricist that's still alive Well Robert is alive Richard is alive And he's the guy who played the piano The other one's just kind of sitting there He is the one who Clearly saw some stuff in the war. Yeah, he was the one who came back from the war and he was injured.

He had PTSD, right? Something, yeah. Or probably undiagnosed because it was the olden days. Right, and they were just like, let's get over it. Yeah, if you're a man, you'll be fine. Stuff it down. Yeah. But then he would come up with some whimsical lyric about something.

Yeah, he was the lyricist guy. So like the stuff that makes you cry, the feed the birds kind of stuff. So the reason I asked is because that is sadder. Because the only one that really had to redo anything for Innoventions was the lyrics guy. So it may well have been his last work. Oh my God, we have to look into that. If it was the last work of the melody man I'd be like well he already wrote the melody So it's not sad

No they did that musical right Wasn't there a Chitty Chitty Bang Bang musical that they did some new songs for Oh yeah maybe that's right Like a stage musical Like that ran at the West End Must not have run long at the West End I forget But what a nice way to go out to like write

You know There is a man named Dr. Bones I forget. Yeah. But what a nice way to go out to write about, there is a man named Dr. Bones. You can find him just beyond the future home. I don't think that was very nice. Pretty good. That would have been pretty good. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Your phones disappear into TV.

Now go try some virtual reality. The example they showed in one of the specials of virtual reality was the Magic Carpet ride. Oh yeah, there was this purple looking version of the Disney Quest one. Well, it looks like a primitive version of the Disney Quest

one that goes very slow. And they had that in California? I think it was in Orlando. I also don't know how far. I don yeah, because I don't remember that at all, but that sounds good. My other favorite thing of the opening spat is when the guy who was the representative for Sega says the

phrase in the most monotone voice, the Sega experience is going to be overwhelming. We might just have to do a commentary track for that special yeah that's a good idea you know i wrote down who that guy is tom kalinsky who's a major figure in sega history i didn't look into it too much but like if you're apparently the book console wars which now i do want to read yeah he's like he's responsible for a lot of sega innovation interventions including the scream.

He pushed the scream, this is our Sega! Oh, really? I don't know if he thought of it, but he's the guy who's like, that is our hook. Sega! So that boring guy was the guy who thought of Sonic. No, Sega! That's what's memorable. Not the scream.

That's memorable, too. Well, that's when it boosts up. That's when you turn it on. That's what's memorable. Not the scream. That's memorable, too. Well, that's when it boosts up. That's when you turn it on. Okay. Yeah. That's the Genesis startup sound. I think they dropped it. Well, you're discovering now that I didn't have a Genesis.

That's why I don't know that. None of us were Genesis kids. I had a Genesis. I had a Genesis. You said you were a Nintendo house. I was a Nintendo house. Hey. But.

That was our sixth. So we got, I think when I was like in second grade, we got Nintendo. I was a Genesis kid. See? All right, Lindsay was a Genesis kid. Lindsay was a Genesis kid and she is proud. In fifth grade, I think we got a Genesis. And then when I was in seventh grade, we got an N64.

We always got the systems when it was a little into the life, like a couple years into the life run. Just like Disney. Well, sure. Yeah. So we had, and then eventually once my brother, my brother was a little bit older. like a couple years into the life run when you would get at least two games. Well, sure. Yeah. So we had, and then eventually once my brother, my brother was very good at saving his money to get new games and systems and stuff.

And that's when I sort of faded out from, from video games. Checked out a bit. Did anyone have a dream cast? No, no, but I loved playing the demos and stores. Like they were good about getting those demos and stores. And I would love to play, what was it? Knights? Yeah, Knights. The first Sonic Adventure had a great demo.

The first level and the cool cutscene with chaos breaking out of the building and you'd go, what's that? Oh my god. Good for Sonic. Any closing thoughts about Interventions before we wrap it up? I mean, what can you say about an attraction like Interventions for you before we wrap it i mean what what can

you say about an attraction like interventions real i mean what would we how would we plus it up how would we give me my question what would you guys do if you got um if you were in charge of the new interventions project you guys mean you don't like spectacular lab brought to you by morata electronic components the one thing two current clients is is the uh color topia and then spectacular interventions west entirely closed in 2015 and they claimed they were going to do something with it nothing has really happened i believe that you some of it is still in there behind the scene i think you can see it on uh the youtube channel that Back to Disney account, an account that seems to constantly be having a very normal one, very regular. Just a balanced guy.

Just really everything seems great over there. He's definitely in like a great time in his life. He's having a normal one all the time. So, yeah, a lot of the 90s kind of design stuff still hanging out in there so who knows what'll happen oh interesting fact i learned this is probably more for the communicor one those buildings were built so high because they blue sky early on we're thinking about putting a people mover connecting them where you could look down into the exhibits. Wow, so sick. Please. Oh, yeah, that would have taken it up a real notch. So I think that, like an actual, like more science-driven,

because I think like Cornell University did sponsor some exhibits at some point. So a more science and academic and nonprofit-driven one, I would be interested in. So is that what you would do if you could decide? More science. Yeah, more science stuff and a people mover to oversee it all. More Sonic is what I say. Sonic the Hedgehog. Yeah, why

can't they get Sonic? Make all of the things Sonic. So it's a health exhibit, but it's Sonic and you're like running and then you could see Sonic and Tails or Amy. Was Amy a character? Yes! Amy Rose. Amy Rose, right. Come on, Mike. Well, I forget because I stopped playing. I'm a big Sonic fan. Yes. Amy Rose. Amy Rose. Right. Come on, Mike.

Well, I forget because I stopped playing. I'm a big Sonic fan, but I. Big the Cat could show up. Those are the characters. We love Big the Cat. Big the Cat. I'm only tangentially familiar with that when they introduced all those characters. So I know. Look, I'm an old school rotor guy from the Archie comics.

I read. The Walrus, right? The Walrus and Sally and what was it a little Fox with the colonel's outfit Antoine Bunny robot I was way into that I was way into the ABC cartoon

Antoine was definitely the weirdest Concept yeah he wore like a Little general's outfit he was a Frenchman And his character trait was that he Was a coward yes He was a one joke character and he they always had to like phonetically write out his french accent i'm sure they really just busted it got right beachy france exists yeah sonic canon uh funny sonic cartoon or dark so dark all the way yeah funny i didn't care for that much and there was a lot of like... The Sonic Saturday

morning one where everyone's getting roboticized. Yes, maybe it was dark and I really liked it. They were both Julio White voiced. But I think, yeah, put all the characters, you can meet all the characters, theme all these like loose corporate things to whatever Sonic

and his character. Robotics corporation. Fantastic. Now you got me in there Maybe it's a little chintzy but it's tied To an IP that I love And it's done deal I'm into it Go Sonic Oh wait well let me tie it to an IP I love You said Jaleel White

This is one fact that I missed That Interventions was the home Of the Invention of the Year contest In the Disney World episode Of Family Matters this was the first public demonstration of the transformation machine that turned steve urkel into stefan or kell laura broke off a piece so that uh he would stay stuck stefan or kell uh but they so you know this the the machine had only been used in

the Winslow's basement or wherever Urkel lived. This is the first public demonstration of it. This is science history. This is pop culture history. So they took it to Epcot? Yep. The first place. And he ended up David Lander from Laverne and Shirley

challenged it. He had a suitcase car which initially worked better. People did not believe that the transformation machine was real and really worked. In a really stirring, emotional two-parter, eventually, spoiler,

Urkel bests David Lander and wins the contest. So if you'll carve out a little bit of Sega for me to constantly tribute Would it be an animatronics driven dark ride Conveying the story you just told us? Hell yeah

Yeah it could be a blue ride Because it's again The moral is it's better to stay the way you are And never leave your home Yeah Wow So it's like a little morality tale Yeah but now Urkel's singing at the end

It's better to stay the way you are. And also like doing the Snow White Witch effect, but a fun version where you're looking in a mirror and it's Urkel and then he turns and it's Stefan Urkel. And he turns around. Yeah, and you see the back of normal Urkel. And instead of, you know, shoving an apple in your face, he's offering you a rose. A rose for you my lady Stefan Urkel's Famous catchphrase

Of course yeah yeah so put that I want Stefan Urkel presence And if not burn it to the ground For insurance money Except for the electric Umbrella restaurant which I like because It looks like a 90s Edwards movie Oh okay it's

sick uh yeah we can all agree on that i have two ideas for go for it yeah okay for california um my first idea when i didn't know what i know now is i for a long time wanted uh the interventions building to become the new q building for something utilizing the people mover track yeah because it used to load from the building that's now buzz lightyear so they couldn't use that anymore so i was like that's plenty of space to put like a big wraparound queue and loading bay on the upper deck. And it's attached to the people mover track already. But then I found out that a, the people mover track is no longer complete. It has a big chunk out of it at the Buzz Lightyear building. Um, but they could rebuild that. But the bigger issue is

that it's a no longer to code and they'd have to totally redo all of it to ever use it again so um if we're going with the actual budget that might be given to an interventions project i would decide that in like florida's tomorrowland my favorite thing uh which is now gone is um all the set dressing things like the electric palm trees, the robot newsy, the phone of the future. So for me, I'm taking a page out of the Mickey Mouse house in Toontown and doing the equivalent of that, but for like fun future ambiance. And that would just be the interior of Innoventions is different scenery of fun futuristic things

that are also photo ops to appeal to the Instagram generation who likes to go to those pop-up museums and take pictures with everything. And if it's something more involved, like a ball pit or something, there's like a line for it. But otherwise you just wander around and take pics. I feel like this is probably a silly question to ask. Would Push the Trash Can be there?

Yes, of course. Great. I'm on board. And then, you know, one room could have like a single animatronic of like Sunny E eclipse type that's maybe performing or something. Sounds good to me. And maybe this is a good time to say. Did Jenny have two ideas?

Oh, yes. That was the second one. Oh, that was the second one. The first was the queue line. The second was this pop up. Perfect. Yeah. Well, I'm sure we already said this on Twitter as you hear this.

But if you want to hear more from Jenny, we are doing our first ever park hopper. If you want to hear more, you can hop over to the second gate, our Patreon, where you will hear us talk about Sunny Eclipse. A long awaited top. Something we've wanted to talk to you about for a while. Yes, and I always want to talk about it. Yes, I think this will be this will be an easy breezy go for us to talk about Sunny Eclipse

who, if somehow you don't know the character, the lounge singer alien in Tomorrowland in Disney World who plays in the hamburger restaurant. Yes, in Cosmic Race. Through empty crowds. Yes, often empty I'm so excited to talk about him for a while

So that to say That if you head over to the Patreon Then this is not the end of Jenny Nicholson This week But for this specific episode Jenny Nicholson, you survived Podcast The Ride Yay! Thanks for being back

Much appreciated Any time really What a fun conversation Thanks for bringing it to us I was pulling for interventions Yeah Very on board No complaints from us

That was a blast Oh wait a second And if you listen to the Patreon first And you're hearing this second Thank you I don't have any If you listen to the Patreon first and you're hearing this second, thank you. I don't have any. Yep. Just a reminder that interventions is a portmanteau of invention and innovation.

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