Podcast: The Ride - Lagoon with Steven Ray Morris

Episode Date: November 12, 2021

Steven Ray Morris (My Favorite Murder, The Purrrcast) joins us to discuss working at Disneyland's Pizza Port and the Utah amusement park Lagoon. The Hunchback of Notre Dame: A Musical Adventure episode up at The Second Gate: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: http://foreverdogpodcasts.com/plus FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forever! Dog! Warning, the following podcast contains beaver tales with score bits, a pizza race to a dumpster, a great place to Jurassic Park and chill, and just what you've been hoping for, another theme park and classic

rock connection. Stephen Ray Morris joins us to splash into Salt Lake City's Lagoon theme park on today's podcast, The Ride. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, the world's first fresh water podcast, which means you can drink it. My name is Mike Carlson. Join me as always, Jason Sheridan. I hated saying that. I really hated it. You know what? I'm glad you brought that up. I almost would have forgotten there is a fact about today's park.

Water alkalinity facts yeah of alkalinity that's scott gearner talking about alcohol that's even the correct term the term i have no idea i took a stab at that sounds good uh it was fun to say might not be a word that smart yeah that's one of those like non-joe first of all we were just debating this opening jokes we've pulled the audience before can we get rid of these no no that was the that we were talking about the warnings because those we always end up doing like all right we gotta do this we've tried to get rid of jokes we've never tried to get rid of but we've internally tried to get rid of them right or am i misremembering i might be it's my fault because i didn't want to keep saying childless men because then i had a child oh yeah yeah that's the only reason we could go back to it

could we get rid of all the fun stuff on the podcast i'm asking that to the audience now will you allow us to really stop with like a pre-written stuff yeah that's all yeah we're too lazy to yeah i mean already people probably think we don't do enough research sometimes but can we just at least not be cute why do people think that we do it we do i'm knowing who's saying that well look i'll take it i get hit we know i don't know my monsters facts i don't know my i love lucy facts there's people that are furious at me but those things aren't the premise of the podcast so you are not obliged to know these things taking big swings there that's true okay okay fine the joke at the start is in and the preamble fun joke is still in

it's all in we're not gonna cut any of that stuff no and having guests is in we have guests still there's one here right now is there well there is it's a podcasting professional is he from the podcast percast see jurassic right in my favorite murder that's right is it steven ray morris it is wow i just appeared i i'm glad to be here you know when you're having a meta kind of crisis about your own podcast it's very fun it feels very it's like a throwback i feel like jordan morris a while back was saying it's like remember when podcasts like in 2012 when you just talked you know didn't worry about how long it was it could be three hours and people would listen you know and i i like that feeling yeah yeah it's really just working out minutiae like boring um like just managerial like just really uh like i don't know you have

your meetings while you're doing the show as well right all done while we're all here i feel like the only difference is that people don't just blatantly like say their address and where they live anymore so any comedy podcast like from 2010 to like 13 it's like yeah and just down the street from this place uh-huh it's like nowadays i feel like people don't do that anymore mike mitchell keeps the tradition alive anyone can go find him stalk him bother him yeah end up eating in his house uh which is i don't i don't have the address offhand well but if we yeah if we text he we just get it and read it and he'd be fine with it he's just mildly annoyed if you come yeah yeah yeah damn it all right all right want some i want some wheat thins i feel like that's like the handful of times i've been lucky to

record doughboys it's because i was just wandering off the wandering around with podcast equipment. And he just, Nick just opened the door and it was like, we need it. We need an engineer. You son's gone for the day or whatever. Emma's gone.

You know, like you there. Yeah. Boy, what day is it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

I have an H six N. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Inspiring engineers out there. Yeah. Yeah. Find his address.

You might know it already um well we'll stop talking show business we'll get to the actual show business not show business business of the show the business of the show and we'll talk theme parks this this podcast is about um and you brought a topic today that was not on any of our radar i don't believe before no never heard of it um it's it's a place in salt lake city called lagoon yes um so what is your what's your connection to this place because you were before we started recording you were alluding to growing up here but then you know like then you brought up this place what's's yeah. Yeah. Paint the picture. Well, so the main connection is that my girlfriend, Brenna white is ex Mormon.

And, but I feel like a lot of ex Mormons still go back to Utah. And so it was actually the first time I went to salt Lake. We went to lagoon, which I keep calling lagoon world because I feel like I'm so used to theme parks, having universal studios, Disneyland,

like little more yeah i felt weird saying it just now yeah yeah it passes and you're like that's it that's the name yeah yeah it's i was thinking about it a lot where it's like because i wanted to make sure i remembered what rides and stuff i went on and lagoon when i first went to it growing up here like i literally grew up 10 minutes away from disneyland it was my first job ever was working at pizza port yeah and then going to lagoon and it's like um almost like the legos the lego excuse me when we were a kid where it was just like night cowboy like that's how lagoon is there's like no branded content it's very surreal ah right a rare theme park without any there's not even some rubber stamped spongebob type attraction they

don't even have like yeah like a couple harvey comics characters no no yeah it's very weird i think like they have a subway in the park like i think that's about it yeah and of course like all smaller regional parks they got dip and dots yes yes if you want dip and dots they got dip and dots the canniest sweet sweet tree company i'm so excited for those growing up i thought like i don't know like when because that knots berry farm is where i think i first had them and it was just like this is the most exciting thing in the world and they kind of suck or i don't know i don't really like well the future never came yeah it never became the future where it is ice cream it was a full court press one summer down the shore they

weren't there like all the shore towns in new jersey uh uh like which is a very regional business like a seasonal business the memorial day is official kickoff and one summer dip and dots were just everywhere and it worked we're gotta try these things yeah i get nostalgic for them yeah you know i like them uh yeah well i know i think i said does anyone care about dippin dots and somebody was mad at me once online i think um but i found there's there's ripoff dippin dots at the round one in burbank what wait what is it called i have to look up there are numerous ripoff uh dippin dot i've seen them i i mean dippin dot to this point or you can get them at

like gas state like there's like a to-go little container at gas stations creamy pebbles yeah chill cuties like how the tangerines you know but they're like little ice cream yeah you spell it with a k and then it gets you off of their branding and the show and the series cuties but yeah that was my connection to lagoon was just uh because my girlfriend and i both have universal passes and you know we do the thing like go to lunch and like ride a couple rides i believe kelly nuget was the first person to suggest to me to like go work at universal like when i would see people on hogwarts with like a laptop but they would actually like be dressed in the like full you know regalia like at you at um the like jurassic cafe that to me is the best place to

work because they actually have um plugs outlets oh really yeah yeah you're talking about that second floor i've been calling it jurassic patio it's become my new favorite spot in the park my favorite beer in the park can i ask you obviously a massive jurassic park fan um if anyone follows you on social media uh just just quickly it doesn't have to be quick i'm gonna say quickly uh yeah does that place live up to your expectations are you jealous of the hogwarts people who get maybe a more elaborate like land it does still break my heart that they didn't put margaritaville into like just the jurassic cafe because i feel like the margaritaville is so horribly placed in city walk like i feel like it's abandoned yes like

every time i go i'm like why isn't this place like filled right like because it's a weird like it's it's on the bottom floor and not the top despite that the previous tenant had the top so you have no open air chill it feels very restricted yeah like So you have no open air chill. It feels very restricted. Like this garage has more open air chill than that location. It's so like crunched. I've never thought about that, that why not just put it in the park. Because it's in Jurassic World. So if they were like rebranding.

So much sense. Yeah, this is my gripe corner. Before that, I guess, the Margaritaville thing because i've i've been to i think i've been to four margaritavilles now chicago uh that one's the navy pier one the pier one i passed by that one i didn't go in well it's to me when i was there when it was like getting winter time it almost felt like last call before like all the boats leave and you're stuck on the island sure and then i went to the one in niagara falls and it might be the worst restaurant i've ever eaten oh dude niagara falls is so wonderfully trashy there was somebody was posting about on the facebook group recently and i was like why have

we not talked more about it because i had like from my one frenzied night there i had so many thoughts and memories what was why was that one particularly crazy maybe i just had the wrong thing like i had poutine fries and it was you know it's very funny that margaritaville's occasionally have like a regional delight yeah like like the orlando margaritaville has conch fritters uh but the hollywood one definitely doesn't have conch fritters conch i don't know what that is. Is it pronounced conch? You know the shell that like in Lord of the Flies, that's a conch. And then the meat of it, the meat inside of it is like a popular like florentine dish. Wait, there's meat inside that shell?

Yeah. It's like a big muscle. It's like a muscle. I guess of course it is because it's a shell shell for a, for a, like a creature. Yeah. Yeah. So I just thought it was for hearing the ocean. Yeah.

Or calling. Well, I can't remember. I was thinking of Helms deep, the one he blows, but that was, but yeah, the,

the Jurassic, I think it's great. Like, I think it's one of those things where I think with maybe a lot of theme park stuff, like on paper, like there's a difference between the concept art to reality. And I just feel like concept art is always going to be amazing.

And like, even the concept art for the new Jurassic world, like the, the plus up, uh, like looked amazing, but I was like, they're never going to make that.

So I'm like, part of me is like, if when I'm there and you're just hearing the music, it's just amazing. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, it still satisfies your need as a fan yes oh 100 yeah having the new bar like it's small but i mean it's it's fun you know thing too yeah yeah yeah yeah well you take that up to jurassic patio which i'm so worried about talking up and i know i know it's crowded but it was like good place to hang with my kid he He could run around, push chairs around it, plenty of space. Some of my most chill of 2021 has been on Jurassic Patio.

Oh, yeah. It's nice, and we shouldn't promote it too much. It's so fun. Stay the hell off of it. That's our place. Us and Steven. It's funny because when the Jurassic Park ride ride closed the original one i was there for the last day i was there for most of the day so i just like wrote it over and over again

um but then in that in between i think it was like six or seven months that was when it was the perfect time because there was no like i mean obviously mummy and transformers draw some people but it was truly like i felt like that place was half empty for that oh the lower lot had does not have its biggest attraction so and people are not maybe not doing the full walk which we talk about being too lazy to do sometimes i mean for for that purpose though like i used to go like when i would work more nights like i would go to universal i would uh work for like edit for a couple hours again got the outlets the wi-fi is really good there because there's nobody down there now trying to fight for it and then editing work even like on a laptop yeah yeah i used to edit some of mfm and stuff on there but uh he's

crazy this is a very important point i would throw my backpack in the mummy locker and then go ride a few rides and then that was like my work day. It was so much fun. Jeez. Oh, and that's a way to, is that free that mummy locker like for a certain amount of time or do you, yeah, the mummy lockers I think free for two hours or one hour. I might be wrong about that.

Cause the, you think you have to, you think that only lasts for like 10 minutes or so or however long the ride takes. Oh, that's, that ain't bad, but I guess it would have to.

Yeah. Cause in case there's a long line. Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. Or the ride breaks down and you're still waiting in line. Sure, sure.

That'd be wild. But yeah, just going to the park like that. I think that's when I realized I really like, and when I discovered your guys' pod was like that idea of like, oh, like there's more to a theme park than just like going to, because I feel like as a kid, it's just you're waiting in line for three or two hours at a time or an hour at a time. And then when you're an adult, you're like, oh, I can get so much more out of a theme park than just the rides even kind of.

Well, once you're when, if you can go to a theme park, if you're lucky enough to have it not be just a race to the finish, to pack it all into a short amount of time. And you can actually be like a place where you live some of your life or have a chill time, like just be here. And if we do one or two things, great. But I just want to have, like if you treat it as just like a, an outdoor mall with a target and a Marshalls, I mean, it's, it's the past thing. And I,

the Disneyland past thing confuses me now. Cause I went to, uh, for Brenna's anniversary, we did Avengers campus for the first time because I hadn't been to California adventure since like 2010 or something. Oh wow. So like did cars for the first time, did all that for the first time. And I hadn't been to California Adventure since like 2010 or something. Oh, wow. So like did cars for the first time, did all that for the first time. Ah. And I was like, we were like, I was like, it's only an hour away.

Like, can we justify getting the Disneyland Pass? Are we going to go every two, like two weekends out of the month? Like with Universal, it's really easy to justify. It's free parking. And like you get to the front of the line if you have the Platinum Pass, at least one thing. It is such a good deal.

I mean, this year alone, I've probably gone like 15 times, 20 times already. Jeez, wow. Since it reopened, it's just the best. Makes a lot more sense, for sure. Yeah, yeah. So you grew up around not just Disneyland,land but not that's i'm certainly jealous of that i was not like i was so little close to universal but not terribly so so were you at

these places all the time is that a major part of your childhood i think so yeah i mean disneyland i yeah it was like i was like a disney kid in high school and then obviously the theme park's right there and that was when the pass was like $200, you know, and there was one pass like, and then I worked there for a summer, just one summer at pizza port. And that was the year that the,

it was, uh, they were rebuilding it. So every, like every time I go to work, I would see like the back open. It was really cool. Wait,

what year is it? What are we talking? 2003 or four, I think is when the ride was shut. It wasn't when space mountain was shut down when space mountain was shut down oh that okay yeah that was the reo not not the full not redoing all of tomorrow no no but space mountain is new okay yeah yeah yeah and then and then yeah i think that's and then yeah so then i feel like other people like matt apodaca like talked about you know just going after school

or going on the weekends or you would go until we get crowded or like there was again all those like little hacks or whatever and i also had my winter formal at knots berry farm like matt also mentioned it i think i brought it up on twitter recently when i listened to that episode and i was like how what is the weird monopoly on like winter formal like in southern california and also like it's the worst dance to go to a theme park because you're wearing like a suit right like i feel like be like um like a cd hawkins or something would be a much better option something a lot more casual yeah because it takes water rides not out of the equation it just makes it a lot more you want to wear like as few clothes as possible not like extra clothes yeah yeah this is the first

time i'm wearing a tie like really yeah yeah you gotta check out the timber time I'm wearing a tie. Like, really? Yeah, yeah. You got to check out the Timber Mountain Log Ride in a full wool ensemble. They did it in the 60s. Everybody did it. True, yeah, yeah. I got to ask about Pizza Port. Because I feel like there's, I think there's an episode that's been on the horizon with somebody, I assume somebody mentioned previously in this episode who has some pizza port opinions I think this one's coming down down the road uh but what you know the behind the scenes how the pizza magic

happens so it's funny I mean I feel like because I think maybe some people like the magic is ruined or whatever I didn't work there long enough so I feel like it wasn't kind of but it is one of those things where like if you're looking for a job where you like have like you know your job is like your crew or whatever like they switch out people every day like i was there for a summer probably didn't work with the same people more than once um but it's it's very depressing because it's one of those things where like they want to keep the food fresh so they would like i don't know what it is now i mean this was 15 years ago but they would like if the food was sitting out for more than like a certain amount of time you'd have to throw it away so imagine like a 17 year old like who can like only afford

pop tarts from the vending machine on their break like having to literally carry a whole pizza and dump it in the trash regularly and it's like they don't want to give it to any unhoused or anything and like so then it became a thing where like a few of us would be like how quickly could you eat that pizza before you had to throw it away so you like shove a slice in your mouth as you're walking to the back because it was this long walk right to the back where the trash compactor was oh that helps and so distance yeah so it's just like like i was just like i think i got two slices okay that was like the record yeah i don't know if it was a record but but it was my record. Okay. Yeah. But somebody more, if somebody was desperate, they could maybe go for a five or six. Jason, what do you think you could do?

Yeah, I think two. I mean, that's a doughy slice of pizza. That's a thick, bready. Yes. It is not a small. Underseason slice of pizza. Yeah. Two is a lot.

I mean, two is impressive. Two is a lot. I mean, I was 17. I was young. Sure, sure. That is definitely. You're a young man's game yeah yeah i think don't do yeah the other the other trick was uh uh was the pocket salad because it

was like i don't know if i should be i don't think disney can take take me now just have like a predator sniper thing um but like you would get like a cup for water and you'd put in your pocket when you're at the salad station you would just throw a cup for water and you'd put it in your pocket. And when you're at the salad station, you would just throw a little couple of ingredients in your pocket. And then by the time you go on your lunch, you'd have like a little salad. Wow. Again, this is cause there,

have you guys talked about the in between? I don't know if it's called that anymore, but it's a restaurant in between the two layers of Disneyland. Cause there's like, this has never come up now. Cause there's like the outer layer where you like see the outside of the park and then the inside. And then there's like,

I don't even know. It's probably like 20 or 30 feet of like where cast members go to get changed costumes and break rooms yeah it's sort of on the is it closer to main street or tomorrowland i might have gotten a go i believe it's closer to main street i think i was there once i got to do this like night shoot where i was in space mountain late at night oh cool just through but oh yeah just risk this one time so i think it is like a little bit of main street vibe and like uh peppermint colored umbrellas and okay yeah i think i didn't know there it was very funny though because it was like a mean girl sort of thing where like the cast members who were characters would all sit together and then

people who like worked at the stores would sit together the people worked at restaurants the like trash people or what i don't know the correct name garbage disposal people like it was almost there was those little clicks yeah we've heard that from the people work there were definitely like there was drama between clicks oh i'm sure yeah dating among oh no like there was like yeah there was like uh scandalous stuff happening i think too like and then there would be like drama between yeah actions essentially if he had the story about the guy who had a girl in every land oh my god and but then if but then if any

once somebody switched once the tomorrow land girl ended up being a frontier land girl and all bets were off his whole scheme unraveled not him it wasn't him yeah yeah somebody else some scumbag yeah yeah I'm just sad i never saw the basketball court like i just didn't work there long enough you know yeah yeah that one feels like

is anyone in the audience seen the basketball court i don't even think it's possible because they act i think when i was when i was there on a vip tour they were like it's you won't even we can't take you in there it's like a hazard they took the condemned sign down to film the bob gers sequence in the imagineering story and then when everyone's like all right we gotta get out of here put the condemned sign back up yeah i guess they i guess it's not that bad if they brought a 90 year old man yeah and a film crew and a film crew but i'm sure they don't really want you going it's not as easy as some of the other places that are designed for people to look at like the walt department or whatever yeah and i didn't even see the dis i didn't even see the cats at

disneyland until my most recent trip i actually did see a cat uh by the hotel oh sure that's a good spot for them it's like kind of by trader uh it's trader sam's over on that little stretch yeah yeah by the pools a little bit and the uh by the the raft right by grizzly yeah rapids yeah uh um have you got has that come up on the have you covered uh that end of cats a little a little bit yeah i mean i would love to do because i know somebody runs an instagram yeah like that that's the kind of thing i would love and i would love to just go on like a tour also a ghost just blew open the store which is the ghostly door opening is back. Actually, that was really nice. Yeah, that's why it's open air in here. I love it.

That's more inside business we can do. We're adjusting how the garage works all the time. You know, not to give away when it's being recorded, but we're only a few short hours from Mischief Night, or Devil's Night, as it's known in some parts of the country. So, the ghosts are getting ready. Will we get trick-or-treaters coming to the garage? If the episode goes past midnight

yeah and it's technically we're recording on october 31st then maybe i had never heard of mischief night until jason said the phrase eight years ago and i've never been the same well it's called different things they're all hollows eve is uh that's actually halloween right but the night before halloween in parts of the country, it's called different things. And it's when kids go out a pranking. So mischief night in the Northeast, devil's night, I think, in the Midwest. But who uses any of this? People call it Halloween. This is from the East Coast.

This is one of those things where he said it as if we all knew it and no one had any idea what it was. I thought it was a lot more common than it it was don't you see jason has a backpack full of stink bombs and spars of soap baggies yeah he's ready for mischief night um i i also why i couldn't be remiss if i didn't mention my tunnels experience at least like it's very it's boring but it is true it is true that the tunnels under disneyland look like the nostromo like it's very you know more like alien oh and so there are tunnels because it's we know that the magic kingdom has the big utilidor situation but what what is disneyland that's that's is it like uh it's not like a full park

cover no no i i think at least my time in it was basically if punishment, yeah. Punishment. You send it down to the tunnel. We saw you eat the slices. Get in there. Although I think, I don't know what it's called now,

but club buzz, their break room is underground, which felt very depressing. Oh, wait, well you would have to, cause we did an episode about the bands that would play there. So there would have to be underground cause that's where the,

the, that's where you load up the band and then it rises up to the top yes and so um but i did it a few times because if one of the restaurants was out of ice like so like one time pizza was out of ice and so you don't want to like have this big heavy thing going around like possibly topple over children or like ruin the illusion or whatever and like so we would go down and then i'd have the thing fill it up with ice and then go back underground and then go back up. Gotcha. So that was kind of my, it's not very exciting, but it was,

it was still was like, again, growing up going to Disneyland and then getting to have any of these kind of things was like actually kind of really cool. I remember at the time being like very into it. Most of the audience listening to you are excited to hear about the tunnels. That's absolutely like every, if they were, if somebody at Disneyland was like, Hey, you want to go see the tunnels? They'd like every if they were if somebody at disneyland was like hey you want to go see the tunnels they'd be like oh my god yeah well it's and it was funny too because again i've uh just started listening to you guys like a few months ago really and it's

been one of this these are very exciting things because it feels like every episode i have an example and it's like as somebody who makes podcasts the person screaming at the phone like i'm like i was turning into that person i was like i also saw suburban legends every weekend like when i would go to downtown disney like nobody else who else talks about this so that was very exciting it was perfect we just gather them here like the last few months worth of stuff and uh if you go into the archive you hear anything that you want that you yelled at bring them back and yell here's a list that was about the 2017 stuff yeah oh i haven't even gotten to the city walk song yet but i'm very excited oh boy yeah you have a do you have a favorite uh aspect of city walk or a treasured city walk memory i did sprain my ankle at the uh dueling pianos bar oh wow howl at the moon really yeah howl at the moon

yeah yeah i was my friend annalise who also works at exactly right she was performing and there's a little step you know it's always those little steps yeah yeah and we went to go down and and like just heard like a loud crack but i was drunk like and then leaving it's hard if you if you have to leave city walk it's very difficult if you have sprained your ankle. Yeah. But that's not my favorite, but, uh, this is very memorable. I mean,

strong memory. I don't know. It's, it's weird that it's like now my movie theater too. So it's like, kind of makes it more festive to like, I'm not just like going to the arc light or whatever. It's like,

Oh, I like, and having a pass is like, do I want to go to the theme park before? Or like kind of, you know, that kind of sure you know that kind of stuff sure you get a good little like pre-show like a bill it probably makes a movie more exciting you gotta park up here and pass by a dinosaur on the sign and then weave out of this

labyrinth to get to the well you just theater you just reminded me yeah because one of the uh when the last jurassic world came out we all ate at Margaritaville. There was the T-Rex statue posted there. And then we all went and saw it at the IMAX there. It was really fun. I mean, that's cool. There's a new Jurassic Park out and you're doing it in an environment where there's a lot of Jurassic stuff and a ride downstairs. And they filmed all of the movies around the Snug of the Woods too.

Lost World set is nearby. That feels feels neat it's in the air the jurassic spirit is in the air yeah i did i kind of lucked out as far as like fandoms go because it's like or do you guys know about this were they gonna transform the mummy ride with tom cruise if it had done well because it feels like the jurassic world ride was kind of like a blueprint where like universal always gets rid of rides and replaces them whereas like jurassic's the first like nostalgia revamp and it feels like the Jurassic World ride was kind of like a blueprint where like Universal always gets rid of rides and replaces them. Whereas like Jurassic's the first like nostalgia revamp. And it's like, oh, the mummy could also like stay the same, but just throw Tom Cruise in there. But I don't know if like, I feel like that universe didn't even last long enough for it to be considered.

I'm sure it was on the table. I don't know. Yeah. Because like, yeah, they were, look, we remember the spread announcing the universe so yeah i would imagine they were like hey you know we could do replace brendan with tom yeah but it didn't work yeah i don't think anything's ever off the table i i had always heard the story i had heard was that they had what they had invested in was like the dark universe like had a floor and one of the office buildings just full of classic universal monster stuff.

Like they went all out of like decorating these offices with stuff. Cause it's like, this is an investment. We're going all the way to the top with this. And then there's nothing worse than like buying a building and then the building is empty. Like that just is so depressing. Sure.

Yeah. The Quibi curse. Oh yeah. than like buying a building and then the building is empty like that just is so depressing sure yeah the quibby curse oh yeah the course the course um i well that's all amazing uh um in the pizza pizza port cred what credit you're bringing into the show but let's uh let's head into lagoon let's talk lagoon so that okay wait so this mainly you were saying it mainly comes through your wait girlfriend yeah yeah right um so uh yeah yeah we'll explain that that connection and you've been here presumably or you're just or you just like heard about it and you're fascinated by it yeah yeah no i did i did go again in yeah i think it was like september of yeah september 2019 i was like you know it's that thing you're like visiting the significant other's family for the first time like let's let's you know like i don't know it was fun to like have activities planned versus like just going to have like dinner and

just be in a house for two days sure Sure. Sure. Um, kind of thing. So it was Brenna and then her brother, uh, Thomas. And then I think some of her, like a cousin or a niece joined us at some point, but like, and it was also September.

So it was like starting Oktoberfest. So they've started selling alcohol in Lagoon. I don't know how recent, because it is a Mormon known thing, I still believe, but like, or I don't know if the upper corporate people or whatever, but I think selling alcohol in Lagoon was like a novelty.

Cause I remember Brenna and Thomas were very like, there's like an Oktoberfest thing here. Like all that kind of stuff. That's potentially a little rare. Well, I don't get like, I don't, I don't know much about Salt Lake city.

Is like, is that a, is that a rare aspect of a place in Salt Lake City? Do we know? Or is it like, am I overthinking the puritanical nature of the city? Most people from SLC will be quick to say that it's like the most like liberal, woke, cool, young of Utah kind of thing. And Lagoon is probably like 20 minutes east okay and it is true like i was watching some of the ride videos the rides that i went on again and it's like you are truly

just like looking over a free well i guess that's true for all theme parks i guess but a lot of them yeah besides disney yeah you're often next to a bunch of unglamorous stuff yeah but lagoon is like the attitude there is like the parking lot is a field like oh you know what i mean like that i think if if anybody wants to be like sold on the vibes it's it is a field. Oh, sure. You know what I mean? I feel like if anybody wants to be sold on the vibes, it's a field that you park in. Yeah. And there's a lot of green space in the park, and there's mountains in the background.

Yes. I love parks that have a lot of nature in and around it. Yeah. Well, and the other thing I was saying, because Mike, I sent you a couple of pictures, like the juxtaposition of like these like crazy roller coasters, like cannibal, we could talk about more.

And that's the one where like it, it, it's like cliffhanger, you know, where like it goes under like the, the roller coaster goes under and down. It's not just a straight, like drop 90 degree drop or whatever,

how you describe it. I looked up the term or I saw the term it's beyond vertical that's what a weird way to frame it that it is not just a thing a ride goes straight up and then straight back down but there's a little like lip so that you go a little almost upside down and then straight down i know it'll help the listener it is exactly like the shell razor roller coaster at the american dream mall the ninja turtle coaster it does the same thing which i suspect beat it as steepest drop because at one point i saw this listed at one point as the steepest coaster in north america and now it's just one of the

steepest and that one might be like they squeaked a couple more degrees yeah yeah yeah um and it's indoors it's a trapped ride it's trapped and then you get to like a view of like just the new jersey like wasteland when you look out like at the top of it are you guys gonna do a mall of america episode at some point i feel like that seems like such a yeah yeah i've been i went that's cool and like again this theme park where it's like not branded there's no characters movies or anything it's just it feels like i was in like a disney channel original movie or something which i think they have shot there but they yes i'm sure that will uh come up since we brought up cannibal i have to say i i just love this graphic

on the website of just cannibal mega coaster and then a smiling child oh my god like scary word and then not a very not scary font and kid learn about cannibal like it's just i know it's a roller the juxtaposition was just very funny well and and and that's to sell that point even more it's like on the website it it's like, yeah, cannibal, wicked, like skyrocket. But then there's like roller coaster. Like it's just roller coaster. The wooden roller coaster is just called roller coaster on the website. A hundred years old.

It was built in 1921, designed by the guy who designed some of the Coney Island rides. Oh, wow. Really? And there was a fire in the fifties. They did rebuild, but it is so funny. I was trying to see i couldn't find any t-shirts but if they sold t-shirts i just said roller coaster yeah they roller coaster it's just it's funny because it is like you can just call it anything and then they were like

nah we're good zip like not even think of one verb that a roller coaster does yeah not even like the roller coaster right um but uh the juxtaposition of that is that they also have a full pioneer village which is like recreation of like what the mormon like like probably what salt lake city looked like in the 1800s or something so my day was very weird where it was like we did that in the morning and like started drinking and doing that and then we did roller roller coasters to close out the day. Oh, nice. That seems like a logical flow. Yeah.

Well, this sounds like Utah Knots. It seems completely off brand, not a lot of IP. There's a lot of coasters and then the little charm things that you do. I mean, this seems great. I feel like we'd have a great time there. I feel like Knott's has more, I mean, I haven't been in probably like 10 years as well, but it feels like they've like,

but they're like trying to make it, they're almost building their own universe or whatever. Like Laguna's just like, here are just 15 roller coasters. Yeah, stuff. Again, another thing I like epitomize that like cannibal when we were going on. Um, and I'm also somebody who's terrified of roller coasters until I go on. And then I'm like,

woohoo. Like this was the best. Right. Um, always forget. Yeah. It's like, I'm like,

I'm like, cause as a kid, like I remember like I would hold my head down on Indiana Jones. Like I was so terrified. Um, but it was, but then after the ride, you're like,

Oh, that was great. Like we're fine. Um, but it was, but then after the ride, you're like, Oh, that was great. Like we're fine. Uh, with cannibal, we were waiting to get on and somebody had puked on the ride. And it was like a bunch of like 15 year olds being like, I don't want to do it.

I don't like, it was just, they were all like looking at like mad dog and each other of like, who's going to break and like actually clean up the puke. And that was like the experience getting on that ride. And then, uh, if I don't know if you watch any videos of it, but there's like, actually clean up the puke that and that was like the experience getting on that ride and then uh if i don't know if you watch any videos of it but there's like you literally take a elevator up to the top and then that's when it starts really weird kind of a creepy narrow shaft

yeah um i does it feel uh rickety or dangerous though or anything because it's it's pretty new it's a new yeah yeah it's it no it doesn't feel dangerous it just it is just a weird like the notion of tracks having to disconnect to me that seems like a scary concept like oh i want this thing to be attached the whole time like a break in the thing means like what if it like got off or you know like it's one yeah it's never like yeah you would feel good if it's like, it's never come off this track. Yeah. There's no chance. Yeah. It could just get, like, snatched away by, I don't know, a big bird.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You get at the top, like, it comes in. An eagle could take away one of the cars. Yeah. It's a great roller coaster, but it is one of those things where, like, the buildup of it is definitely the most exciting part, in a way. Because once you do that beyond drop i think there's like one loop and then it's kind of just chill sure yeah sure yeah as far as roller coasters

hang time like a little bit like that too right it's a little it's a little bit i kind of find like that gimmick feels scarier when you look at it as far as it going this way than actually doing it like it is scary to kind of have that slow drop yeah it's unless it's much more severe than hang time the hang time is the one it not to what goes you have to go like straight up like vertical on your oh yeah yeah yeah oh that's here's the shit and then it hanged it holds you yeah that's fine i don't even know if i've been on that that's fine that's newer too yeah scary if you're in the front but it's fine with me but that vertical up i just go oh man like i'm holding the front like like well that's why riser you have to where you just go up to the top and

you just sit there like the one where the guy climbed to the top speaking of knott's berry farm where that guy climbed to the top of a couple months ago yeah that was yeah yeah how did that happen i didn't look into it too much but because he was fine but it was just like how did you even like my fear of height like how did you even get like he climbed up like a service ladder right yeah wow oh yeah so yeah they do that like they make it accessible for employees but yeah but yeah how did yeah it's like if this vehicle wasn't forcing me up here there's no way i would keep going so imagine just yourself yeah on your lonesome do you watch those like urban explorer videos where guys just have like a gopro and they're up at the top of like

a skyscraper yeah yeah they go to like the very top of i don't whatever that's the highest point in a city is and then they're just like like dangling dangling off the side and you're like i don't know how your brain didn't just melt down well i feel like there's like two different kinds of like being afraid of heights it's like i like being up high but being up high safely you know if you go to a city and you're like i'm gonna go up to the space needle or you know do that kind of stuff that's different than like to me like story decks yeah i just like had a panic attack of when, um, cause I went to Orlando like a month ago to do the Hagrid and, the VelociCoaster. And on the way in,

when you're driving, there's that like space needle type thing that like launches people out on swings. Oh yeah. It is like, yes. My stomach like fell when I saw that. And I was like,

I don't know how, like, it's like the, what's the thing in Vegas that also is like a space nidalee kind of thing. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. I don't know the name of it, but like that is terrifying because it is feels the, what's the thing in Vegas that also is like a Space Nidalee kind of thing? Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't know the name of it. But like that is terrifying because it is feels like, oh, that's just like one chain.

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get two pairs of glasses from $149 and oh you'll like this one can be a pair of prescription sunglasses sounds great where's the nearest store not far come on let's hurry then to my count one two one two one two visit specsavers.ca for details i was it was also just like cannibal is like scary and then it kind of tapers out from there i feel like as a roller coaster yeah that's nice get the scary stuff done early yeah yeah a lot of those yeah hang times like that where it's like the big gimmick is up at the top and then it's just fun but then there's like other stuff at six flag

or the like what's uh the one that crushed my genitals on six flags that one was the whole losses twisted colossus was just terrifying from start to finish oh geez wait was that a green lantern one no oh that's it no no no i did uh that one i think was already shut down oh okay it was Colossus was just terrifying from start to finish. Oh, geez. Wait, was that a Green Lantern one? No. Oh, that's a... No, no, no. I did... That one, I think, was already shut down. Oh, okay.

Because it was hurting too many people. People were too, like, in pain. Oh, that was kind of a notorious, like, didn't... Yeah, it was like a weird kind of, like... Too crazy. Figure... I know it's not quite that, but, like, a figure eight where it was, like, the cars were on the side.

Defunct Land did a a video about it and it's like kind of like the cars would like twist like this and so like all of a sudden would just like drop and people would just be like rock slam their heads yeah rocked in the cars and everyone hated it but this used to be the idea of parks i feel like in the 20s 30s 40 if you weren't like uh banging your head around you weren't really doing it. That's true. I mean, we have a privileged time in theme parks where it's like, and we haven't done Velocicoaster. We haven't done Velocicoaster. But I have heard it's like the smoothest.

Yeah. So I don't want to spoil anything or anything. I'm somebody who, I didn't realize that also until, again, thinking about theme parks more. I was like, oh yeah, I don't really want to watch a video before I go on like i know it won't ruin the magic for me but it's almost like if i can help it but yeah i will say that about velocicoaster especially because i did um the hulk one like within the same time frame and yeah i was like oh i've never ridden a roller coaster that was made now i'm always we're always writing things that were developed like with technology from like 20 years ago and it is the smoothest roller coaster i've ever been on it seems like

a lot of lagoon is pretty new when when did you go when's all this 2019 and oh so the most of the stuff most of their big stuff was there yeah it doesn't seem like it's changed much since i went there um the other really cool one was wicked where it was just like it just literally is like it launches you up. Wow. And then, yeah, it is kind of like a chill thing after that. That was my memory of it. But it is like, again, like to me, the terrifying thing of where you're like, where you're changing the angle of which you're like sitting still is terrifying to me for some reason.

Yeah, yeah. It's recapturing that, you know, it's recapturing that of like when you're waiting up at the top for the drop. Oh, sure, sure. I saw a video that had the dreaded swing back on that ride. Like it went, it launched, it went up, and it didn't quite make it, and it came back down. Oh, wow. Which the ride, we talked about Kingda Ka a while ago.

That happens all the time. I think that's very normal. Maybe not on this wicked ride. Yeah, I don't know. That might have been rare. I think that's very normal. Maybe not on this Wicked ride. Yeah, I don't know. That might have been rare. A little alarm. I think they just got it together and then just went again. That wasn't like the days over at Wicked.

Yeah, I mean, it looks like, I checked the website, it looks like it's still open. Yeah, it doesn't seem like much has changed since I've been there. Like, yeah, Cannibal, I think, is their newest one. And yeah, the rest of the rides, I felt like, cause again, it's that thing of like when you have a pass, I feel like other than when I went to Orlando where I truly was there for like 48 hours just to go to,

um, islands of adventure and, and, uh, uh, universal, like, like I feel like now go like going to Laguna was like,

okay, like Brenna's family lives here. So if I want to go again and catch things that I missed, like it was kind of, there was no pressure to like pack the day with every single ride. Sure. Yeah. And it does have 10 roller coasters.

Like it is one of the larger collection of coasters in the Western U S I'm surprised. It's not talked about, uh, more, but it is, uh, also family run family run owned.

So, and I think it's not is it has it been the same family like forever and ever because i think it is if it is who ran in the 50s and 60s i think it's not mormon oddly i think it is i think it's catholic which is oh wow rare out there i think it's been bought it was like slowly purchased oh okay okay so it might not be the same it goes all the way back to 1886 so it's changed hands a number of times and morphed and there's been fires and yeah that surprised me learning about it's like can you call it the same theme park if it completely burned down to the ground and they started over like yeah i mean early on there was a big emphasis on like yeah a freshwater swimming pool and a walking.

You can come. I think you can still do the walking trail like year round around the property. Yeah. But it's it's very it's a very old time park. Yeah. Well, that's what I kind of liked about it as far as like, again, going to theme parks a lot. It's like I appreciate the times where you can kind of like the Pioneer Village is great because was like cool i'll get an ice cream get a slushy or whatever and just walk around and then go on a coaster like kind of that back and forth and like the swing chill at some point don't

you it's hard to i think i think uh and i think people who just say they don't like theme parks are probably people who felt like well i gotta get into you're just running a gun and you're in a line and it's stressful and i think if you approach it chill uh at least build in some chill you'll have a different perspective yeah no totally and like um the there's the swings there have the coolest name turn of the century and it's just a swing ride but it's like oh that's cool it feels like built up more and that was i think that was the first ride we did there and it is over that lake and you can see like the you can see like where you can walk and they also had a there's a water park there as well too but it was closed because i guess september is already winter and salty i don't know but like um and then they also i think

they're phasing out their zoo because i remember we walked like we walked by tiger cages but i don't think i saw any tigers well I heard there was just a tiger. Just one tiger. Like there's just suddenly a tiger in a cage. Come see the tiger. The tiger. But yes, there could have been more animals and I just missed it. We can't probably believe the water park is called Laguna Beach.

Yes. I don't remember that. That's so funny. Laguna Beach. Yes. A beach. yes oh i didn't i don't remember that that's so funny lagoon uh beach yes a beach which is funny to use lagoon which is already water-based yeah and the laguna beach yeah but it's fun i know i'm not mad at it yeah that's like a pun that original california adventure would have done yeah exactly oh for sure hey a lot of great naming stuff i mean the best name thing here is terror ride yeah oh yeah manto of terror and ride like and a great logo terror ride the lagoon logo the multi-colored lagoon logo

like some really fun logos there's also the the extreme area called the x-venture zone honestly don't even remember that it's it's you know it is a thing where you appreciate really good design i feel like with disneyland i can like see it in my sleep like the layout lagoon it is like six flags it's just all over the place dead ends and you're doubling back again like it feels like what's great about it is that the stuff there that's great is really great and that like i mean cannibal is truly like a memorable experience but i was going to say do you guys count water parks as theme parks or is that a separate thing sure we do yeah yeah i think so i well i i've said it before i don't like this thing where universal says oh right volcano bay is their third part that i don't theme park

it's a third part no no this is made up it is not would not not the same thing you haven't been though i haven't been no but uh because it is i've said this before i'm sure i said this on the podcast uh have you been to volcano bay well i saw it from the hotel i was staying at okay i thought it was very charming when the like volcano would go off yeah i just i was sitting in like the way i was just like standing in the wave pool just looking at the fake volcano being like this is so good i love this oh it seems very it seems like an excellent water park but how do you say it's the same thing as these parks that have 40 rides or whatever to me i never it feels different because like growing up there was raging waters and wild rivers in southern california and so that to me was like like we're gonna go to disneyland

wait where's wild rivers wild rivers was in irvine it was also where i think where the irvine spectrum is now yes and with the or like is it in the same neck of the woods is that uh that concert venue where you have to hike two miles yes yeah yeah i saw a k-rock uh no not weenie roast maybe it was weenie roast almost acoustic christmas maybe i saw a k-rock summer thing uh-huh there oh but not sorry it wouldn't be christmas yeah yeah yeah uh and went to wango tango at the rose bowl one year um in high school um but they also had the tiger the drive-through tiger safari out in that part of irvine as well oh right we're right i've heard about that a little bit like that is a weird yeah more than one tiger there i think so more than one yeah yeah yeah i think a few lions and yeah it's weird that they had stuff like that it feels like lagoon had more of that stuff but i don't i don't remember

because again it's like i saw multiple cages yeah well there was okay you could you could they raced horses there for a while i read like they were trying a lot of stuff out yeah doing it's been around for so long um yeah lagoon really read like they were trying a lot of stuff out yeah doing it's been around for so long um yeah lagoon really they experiment they were experimenting yeah yeah the thing that really stuck with me about this part um just because it was so specific not only is there a haunted attraction called terror ride there's another attraction called dracula's castle which is very similar i think terror ride looks better terror ride i think had a big like 50th anniversary and they redid a lot of it put in new lighting and effects and stuff and i was like oh i like terror ride i like i like

both of these a lot if we if i were to go there i'd make a beeline for these two these are great i think i'm trying to remember because i feel like i would have done that but i think maybe it was maybe shut down for like me like because i know it was also there when they were setting up for halloween years ago so i feel like because to me i yeah i love it's a dark ride right yeah i feel like i would have gone like that would have been the first i also really like dark ride so i feel like i would have gone to it but i don't remember being on the agenda two big spooky dark rides like that's awesome uh although watching the videos i was like i think the doors on these rides are pushed open by your car like just oh it just slams i think it slams the doors open or it's just the timing but i swear i

heard a funk as like the the rider's vehicle was going through the door well the video i watched that seems in line we might watch the same one but then also like there's you kind of like yeah three sets of doors swing open and just dark unthemed hallways and in the second one you see a woman in a mask just there yeah and there's some trick there's some like just simple scares in that that i i probably would have jumped if i was riding it but um there there's like a terror ride video and it's i think it's that one it's either from 2020 or 2021 and you can just tell how good low level phone video or gopro video has gotten because like the one from 2017 you can barely make stuff out but 2021 it's so crisp yeah i might have to watch these videos because yeah yeah i remember maybe

it was just in that transition of setting up for halloween and it was confusing and i'd never been there before and brenna hadn't been for a while either so it was just like yeah we we really focused on getting a couple of those key roller coasters. Because part of that trip also was like, I'm just fascinated by Mormon history. And it's such a weird, wild world that that whole thing is. So that was also checking out the Pioneer Village. And there's like, I mean, it truly is like a full-size little city. Like the backlot at Universal. Like you'd walk through the whole town.

And there's the general store and all that kind of thing. Where's the Mormon furniture museum? Yes, yes. That seemed like the most active Mormon representation. It was very exciting. I really enjoyed it. It's not like a mayor though of the city, right? Like it's not like it's fun, it's not.

I agree, yeah. But it doesn't seem like it's got like a whole like town populated. They don't even have like a Joseph Smith walk around or anything. No anything no no that's what you need which is what you need yeah well they'd be fight like behind it there'd be like a little area where they find the plates like every hour you know it's like oh my like you know like um not mephisto what's the name mordecai no not mordecai oh oh yeah it's an m name that comes up the angel comes upon joseph smith gives him a vision. We're all just trying to rewatch that one South Park episode in our heads.

It's the main way. We all know the story. It's in the one Book of Mormon song, too. I can't think of it. He's on the top of every Mormon temple. He's the gold statue. We apologize for not knowing this. Moloch is the devil.

It's not Moloch. What is it? Mosiah? There's a Book of Mosiah. I don't know if it is. I don't devil. It's not Moloch. What is it? Mosiah? There's a book of Mosiah. I don't know if it is. I don't know. It might be. Can you buy seer stones?

Do they have seer stones? Moroni. Moroni. Moroni. Yeah. Moroni. Thank you. Moroni is not Mosiah.

Yeah, it comes down. There's a vision. You get to participate because I think Joseph Smith had a bunch of people swear that they also saw the plates. You're saying they do do this or they should? They should do this. I don't know that they have as good a sense of humor as, say, the Knott's Ghost Town, like, Prospector, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we've encountered religious parks, the Holy Land Experience, where there are Jesuses and crucifixions. And so why not get everyone's favorite characters out there?

Yeah, yeah. Moroni and Joseph Smith. I do understand them playing to the Mormon crowd and population. But it did surprise me that the food and drink section of the park's website is just everyone drinking giant octoberfest beers from the beer garden uh because i you can get alcohol in utah and salt lake city and stuff but it's like weird portions like weirdly regulated i read a lot of stuff relaxed after the olympics in 2002 just now oh yeah that that's when like all like there were some weirder laws but i think mostly they were just like we got to make that money.

Well, and yeah, the beers used to be like lower alcohol content in general all over Utah. And then, yeah, I think all that's changed, but I got the vibe there that like with October fest stuff, like people were excited.

Like it was like, Ooh, cool. Like we can get trashed at like, Oh, okay. Okay. So it really was special in a way that like at another theme park

an event like that might be like oh whatever who cares but yeah yeah universal it's very par for the course now but you're there to drink a ton yeah yes so exactly well yeah i mean part of brennan and i is uh like when we started dating was we do the modelo challenge because at the jurassic park ride they used to have the two stalls and so you had to try and drink like you had to try and drink as many tall boys before you get to the front of the jurassic park ride they used to have the two stalls and so you had to try and drink like you had to try and drink as many tall boys before you get to the front of the jurassic line oh we both did two again this two number keeps popping yeah yeah yeah because you always end up at two whatever the challenge is yeah because that was before the pass so it was like how do you pass you know two hours waiting in line you know especially if you're just meeting

somebody for the first time or like second or third date or whatever it's just sort of like all right well we're gonna hang out for two hours in line oh yeah that's big if you're getting to know somebody yeah that could you don't want you don't want the relationship to unravel in line because the line was too long and boring yeah exactly at the start of the line you're like into each other by the end you're like you know what this isn't gonna work out if you just picked like a 45 minute yeah you might have survived yeah there's so many other factors that are weighing on everyone at the time yeah i think that jurassic ride's the best ride i think for a date in that sense because you got the misters going on a hot day like the mummy ride's

a little weird because you're like can't tell the if you're when you're in line if you are if somebody is paying attention to you or somebody's going off somewhere else you open your phone it's like like yeah a good date line yes i've never yeah that's a good thought about that um i don't i mean you know i love love radiator springs as you know you take the as i've said many times you take the beer into that line and that seems like a good uh recently scott has said i mean i think he feels this way about lines and dates he just wants to cut to the chase you know i mean hang on let's let's get this unfair you cannot rule the roof you cannot bring that one in by the way i want to say didn't see a lot of scott is wrong didn't see a lot of scott hey that's coming up on a

future episode i have a collection of emails wait a bit but the email was scott is right it's i i created the email address uh-huh and there are emails i'm just saying it was not on this episode but we'll get to them interesting yeah we'll get to them feeling good i don't i wasn't canceled for that i wasn't canceled for saying the haunted mansion attic isn't that good. I feel like I'm all streaked. Since we're on a Scott kick, let me ask, because I didn't want to do this on a second date and have less people hear the explanation. So I do want to know, because you're a listener, Stephen,

you may have seen this going around on Twitter. Scott, what is the story of the picture with Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Justin Timberlake, and you in the background? I'm so, I was, again, I was worried you were going to cancel me or something. It was going to be something bad. I was worried Inquisition was coming. Oh, yeah. So this came up recently. I'm in a photograph with uh paris hilton kim

kardashian and uh justin timberlake and it's because we hung all the time and it was just like a regular thing there's no story really no it was just a i like through some odd connection i got to go to the premiere of the movie alpha dog we all recall alpha dog very well uh uh i got i in which we're like oh maybe maybe timberlake will be there that's great uh we got a sense of what I'll recall alpha dog very well. Uh, uh, I got, I, which we're like, Oh, maybe, maybe Timberlake will be there. That's great.

Uh, we got a sense of what the movie was going to be in. Like, you want to not watch the movie. And I guess in typical Scott fashion. So I didn't see the movie. I just left, wandered around Hollywood and then came back for the party and then really

wanted a picture, uh, with Timberlake. Uh, cause this was future sex, love sounds era. So when Timberlake uh because this was future sex love sounds era so when timberlake is never cooler yeah uh and so we were waiting around to get a photo my now wife erin and i um and did not realize that as we were waiting there trying to get through to his table that i

didn't know paris sultan was there and at the time I didn't know who Kim Kardashian was. Well, because she was Paris' assistant still, I believe. Is that really? Whoa, yeah. That was how she kind of, her first claim to fame, I believe. Yeah. Besides the family connections. Okay. God, I didn't realize that. Yeah, she looks a little more like functional

in the picture. It almost looks like she's like trying to schedule something. Yeah, yeah. I think so. Not as glammed up maybe and like so yeah um so i did not know what photograph i was in basically but i think it's very rare that there is a photo of these three people in one place so if anything ever needs that or i think somebody found it in a meme type setting but I've also heard over the years hey I was watching extra and it was zooming around a photo and I saw you in the photo and what's going on with that so I snuck into this like grand trio meeting of minds that I had no idea was going on although maybe I'm maybe Tim really didn't know who she was at the time either he might not have,

like, oh, Paris's assistant. All right. Well, call me when a real star shows up. I don't know. I don't know his, his feeling at the time.

But the other part of that story is that then we, uh, got up to, we, we did get through to him, got a picture. He said, yeah,

sure. 20 bucks. And we were like, that's funny. And he said, no, really? And then put his hand out. And we were like, that's funny. And he said, no, really? And then put his hand out. And we were like, well, you know what?

When in Rome, we want a picture with Timberlake. And in the photo, I look a little freaked out. Just because I'm thinking about that, like, oh, my God, he's holding our money right now. Wow. Yeah, it was a little like, wait, is this the deal with this kind of guy? So we took the photo and like jesus oh so he sucks and we're in the photo in the photo our face is like wow

this is us meeting timber like and no realizing he sucks and then photo snapped and then he said i'm just kidding here you go hey oh wow okay yeah so that might be that might be his little uh stick it's a little power move still yeah but yeah, yeah. And to see like how far will people, it's like, yeah. Like, can I make people? Right.

Um, anyway, yeah. Look, I guys, I met a real MMC member. Another classic Hollywood sicko. I was going to say,

what's it like out here, folks? I was going to say, it almost reminds me of like this kind of philosophy that really, I didn't realize was taking over rides. That idea of like, you're the hero. So in that moment, that's like,

if that was a ride, like Hollywood, the ride, like you would be the hero. You're getting to mix it up with the rest of the Avengers kind of thing. Like, Oh, true.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. You're the every man that you're in it. You're experiencing the, yeah. Yeah.

It's the intimacy of the ride. Yes. Justin Timberlake's talking to you. He's taking your money. Super're experiencing the, yeah, yeah. It's the intimacy of the ride. Yes. Justin Timberlake's talking to you. He's taking your money. Superstar limo version. Yes. Yeah. I was like, assistant, the ride sounds awful.

That's probably a tad more stressful. Yes. More action, maybe. Yeah. More running around town. More near accidents. You're in the middle of the queue, and somebody just comes out like a secret exit and goes no you're on now now is when you're on the ride and they just throw you on the ride you don't even get a chance to

like buckle in so you got to deal with something um can i bring up something and i guess we're on a scott kick let's bring up something oh i know it's going oh yeah we're going here did you know you did not know this before uh i never made made the connection. No. Okay. Yeah. This was a place where a lot of bands played. Major bands. The Rolling Stones played. Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs played there. The band that did Wooly Bully. Wait, didn't Beach Boys?

That is the most. Knowing the other bands that are on the list, and then you went to Sam the Sham. I've never even thought about the name of the Wooly Bully band. Sam the Shan and the Pharaohs, which I did a little research in. You skipped past the doors and went straight to Sam the Shan and the Pharaohs. Name something people have heard of, like Artie Shaw, Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington. That's for your part of this musical performance.

Glenn Miller. We talk about Glenn Miller. But of course, the beach boys play there yes and this is a theme park featured in a song by the beach boys yes indeed uh i've never i'm so glad this topic came up because it like i've i certainly know the song the song salt lake city of course i do uh and i never thought about what the lyrics were. It was just like nonsense to me. But now, of course, now I understand. Laguna's reference.

There's a park near the city. Yeah, all the kids dig the lagoon now. It's filled with all kinds of girls and rides. And we'll be flying there soon now. And then Brian takes over and sings. And girl for girl, they got the cutest of the western states. Wow. Girl for girl. girl for girl they got the cutest of the western states girl for girl he's running statistics yeah he's figured it out they got the sun in the summer and wintertime skiing is great i don't do you disagree with anything the beach boys don't disagree it's would you say girl for

girl yeah girl for girl well brenna is from. I figure, yeah, that would make you agree. Yeah, but against all the California girls, I think that is a tad insulting. It's on the same album as California girls. This is like the guy with the girls in all the lands in Frontierland, Tamarland. He's touting California girls, and then several tracks later, the Utah is girl for girl.

Although, I don't know, that's Brian's opinion as opposed to Mike is singing, says the California Girls are the best. Oh, right, that's true. Yeah, so lucky you in Utah. Brian Wilson thinks you're the cutest. I feel like, Scott, you should know which Beach Boy thinks the girls are the, which state the girls are cutest in.

Each one has a different opinion um that you would know but they like teen beat interview or tiger beat from like 1960 i don't know but they're all i mean it's got to be california for all of them i'm trying to think of any of them even lived anywhere else and i don't believe that was venice missoula girls, you know? It's all based on politics. Like, you know, Mike's not into the Vermont girls. The more liberal you get. He loves the other Florida, wherever Mar-a-Lago is, whatever town that's in.

West Palm Beach. The beach really knocks me out. Did they, did it, because Brandon and I, we were watching some like old advertisements but it's like it feels like

they could the beach boys could have given this to the lagoon to use because what a better theme song yeah

yeah yeah really I know like a catchy song that touts lagoon that's I like that the list is filled

with all kinds of girls and rides girls come number one attraction yeah take your girl on the terror ride for if we

wrote the song it would have girls would have been like 15th yeah yeah who cares yeah yeah list all the rides they got drop ride they got dark rides they got mormon uh furniture yes museums um but it has the the the beach boys utah connection goes deeper because if you can imagine that if still as they're playing the weird casino circuits that they tour each year with they of course end up in salt lake city every year they play that song probably only there because it's not like a staple beach boy song though i like it very much i like the song uh um but not only that uh one of these trips is where they were talking to one of the cutest girls of the Western states who was describing a scenario where her daddy took her T-Bird away.

And the song Fun, Fun, Fun is based on, there is a specific person who has been tracked down and interviewed that is in Salt Lake City. So big connection there. But it's maintained up until now. And in 2005, this is one of the cruddiest rabbit holes I've ever been down. I'm about to describe the most groan-worthy thing you've ever heard. 2005, they play a show at the Sandy Amphitheater, and their opening act was very special

because it was a rock and roll band led by then utah governor john huntsman if people can remember this sort of like blander pre-trump era of republican uh uh that with the primaries like he was like a boring guy who ran and in uh i guess against mit Romney. But this band, this guy eventually was also the Trump ambassador to Russia. What a job to tell. So it's not just him, but this guy had a rock past. Before he turned to politics, he played in a band called Wizard in the 70s. Not the famous Wizard, a less famous Wizard. But the rest of the

band is uh uh the then mayor of salt lake city uh on drums john huntsman the third the guy's son and the uh ceos and founders of utah's biggest health and natural gas companies jesus yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah truly there's never been more evil the justice department has opened an investigation in this utah rock band i'm about to make it more evil because they could they did they did a cover by maybe the second most evil band in the world they the only thing i could find that they that was in their set it was only four songs long. Uh, and they, they did what was described as a potentially 15 minute cover of the Eagles

tequila sunrise, my God, applauding endless Eagles cover by the governor, the mayor of the city and a guy from the CEO of merit medical, which was sued last year for like some doctor kickback scheme where they'd like pay doctors on the slide and make them use their equipment like yeah truly pound for pound the most evil a band of the western state and i think i assume that john huntsman is good friends with mike love right

yeah probably that's probably how this goes down. I think so. Yeah, how does a project, it's like Russell Crowe's band or what, it's like, I feel like they just get- 30-odd feet of grunt. Yes, sorry, sir, excuse me. But it's just like-

Grunt, I think, plural, Jason. Yeah, and I think, isn't it the odd? Isn't it foot singular? Yeah, foot, 30-odd foot. Oh, 30-odd foot. I don't know, look i don't know look at it it's a very bizarre name but yeah it's just it feels like you know it's it's there's probably some broker like well you beach boys we won't charge you for like the gas fees or taxes when you come through our city or so you know some shady deal has happened yeah yeah or maybe like did maybe if mike i don't know if mike maybe got involved with

like a like a salt lake city woman and like owed alimony and maybe like he cut a sweetheart deal okay so if huntsman performs uh if he if i make you the opening act then i don't have to pay alimony to my fifth wife yeah we'll throw her in jail where she remains yeah what did i do just tell me you know you can think about what you did for decades to come thanks so much john if i could i i do think while mike love is the most evil beach boy i think al jardine is is considerably less evil and apparently the former uh the owners of the park uh what's the guy's name peter freed was the owner of lagoon and for a long time uh maybe still he sent al jardine a package of mixed nuts every christmas there's there's trivia go whoever you're with if you have like a loved one in the

other the other room a partner or a parent go excitedly tell him guess what i just learned on this podcast lagoon owner peter freed would send al jardine for the beach boys a package of mixed nuts every christmas a perfect combination of words to get the response of i think we should see other people regardless of whether it's partner or parents oh yeah i think i should have other children go to your room forever isn't the internet great that that stuff oh my god how could i ever have known about john huntsman's governor john huntsman's band uh you can also if we're if we're talking a little bit more about the rock and roll history mike you also

skip past the who and jimmy hendrix yeah to go to the woolly bully band sam the sham and the pharaohs from the chipmunks movie tv and film the hot one of the high points of rock and roll for me is that 80s chipmunks movie the band that inspired you gotta think this this band there wouldn't have been a chipmunks without sam the sham sam the sham the pharaohs yeah um the question the mysterios ever play there oh i don't know. It feels like that could be a good, I know electric or the strawberry alarm clock. Oh yeah. Played there. Monkeys played there. Everly brothers played there.

That's amazing. Yeah. Well, this, this also speaks to, again, I don't know who owns it now, but I think at the genuinely it was not like,

um, I don't like, it was a big deal that as with Oktoberfest today, it was a big deal that this became a big rock and roll venue because in other parts of utah there probably wouldn't have been like a sanctuary right for rock music and also at the time because these owners were were liberal for utah like they allowed the the races to mix when other parts of utah were not like this was like a like super liberal place in the 60s in

that regard so that's super cool well yeah and it is funny to think because yeah obviously like bands and stuff would come play in california and stuff but it's like if i'm trying to think of like what are cities between like chicago or other kind of big midwest places if you're going on tour like i feel like salt lake city probably was like a huge hub oh sure yeah it still is really yeah it's okay yeah it probably like like yeah serves a lot of the because i feel like places don't necessarily they're like big tours wouldn't necessarily stop in idaho or yeah yeah or new mexico or something like that yeah yeah yeah right right um but way to vegas you know yeah yeah yeah um but the uh uh oh but also if you look at the list of who played there the back to our relevant interests uh the he-man uh in the power tour played there

yep ninja turtles coming out of our shells played there so that's boy that's huge that's huge but also one that i saw in 1988 and this is one where I might need a little bit of listener help. Because it just lists, with no other information, Ghostbusters for two nights. Oh, wow. Was there, and I couldn't find any other info about this, but are there any listeners who have memory of seeing a Ghostbusters live tour? Was there such a thing? And if so, why don't we know more about it? Why isn't there more

information about it did it involve rock music did they play the ray parker jr song like were they a band in addition to being ghostbusters yeah i'm sure you did a google because i didn't see this i couldn't find anything else about no grainy vhs footage on like a big you know one of the backpack like camera or like shoulder cams or with so much like light streak like impossible to see like akroyd and jim belushi in ghostbuster suits doing blues songs likely what it could have been yeah yeah um the exact same blues brothers set list that they do with all the casinos but just wearing the proton packs yeah yeah yeah i'm a ghost man that's the only change um so that's a homework aside if any if anyone remembers seeing the ghostbusters live i really

want to know what that was because i'm sure that was if it happened it was amazing yeah we know about that band huntsman's uh rock band but we don't know if there was why is that so documented like there's a new movie literally coming out in a week or whatever not with a tour though not with any rock music to support it and they don't even have fallout boy this time around um back to attractions is there anything that we've missed or anything that you did that you that you enjoyed there the The sky ride was nice. It's a very weird,

like, cause it feels like sky ride or like, uh, they're basically just, you know, you go over the park and then go one way and go back or whatever. And it, I've been on a few of those.

The San Diego zoo has a really nice one. Oh yeah. But the big difference with this one is that you're kind of like just in it. Like you are like, you're not like touching any rides or anything, but you are like basically sitting above all the buildings versus like, you're not that up high. Okay.

You're just seeing shit dropped on top of like the roofs and stuff. And your feet are dangling. Yes. Yeah. Like the Santa Cruz beach boardwalk. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So you could like put something in the gutter if you want it to, if you want to get rid of it. Stuff just like, like hats and just like, know souvenirs like things are just dropped because it's like yeah it was very it's it's very relaxing and it's cool because you get to just you get to it's almost like if i were if like you guys were to go there like i would almost recommend doing that first because it almost kind of give you like a little bit of a lay of the land

yeah um but it is very i'm so used to those kind of things you like a little bit of a lay of the land. Yeah. But it is very, I'm so used to those kinds of things. Like, cause what was the one at Disneyland? The skyway. Yeah. Like that, that like gets you like nice and high. Like this,

you are like at the height of the trees. Right. It's very low for what it is. I think it's only like 30 feet or something like that. Maybe at its shortest. Sure. Sure. So it is very like,

okay, well, you know, we're like, I got to dodge it like a tree branch it's a little more thrilling than a normal sky ride like a sky i got out i got up here without even climbing a ladder yeah yeah i guess yeah that one the uh um the gondolas now at disney world have you done those or those weren't there when you were there no no uh when they go up to a certain level, I get scared. But when they're about 30 feet, I think I'm like, oh, this is fine.

Yeah, yeah. Ski lifts. It seems like I'll be better. Ski lifts terrify me. Yeah. Ugh. Because it's like being up high but being close to not to fall in. It feels precarious.

Yes. Yes. And I have a thing with my legs dangling. Oh, I don't like that either. Yeah. It is. It feels like you're prone to anything. It's something you get caught. Mm-hmm. Another bird could fly. A bird could grab your shoe and yeah it is feels like you're prone to anything it's something you get

caught another bird could fly bird could grab your shoe carry you off yeah carry you away just by the one leg well my question is what are your guys's thoughts on um ferris ferris ferris wheel no merry-go-round is laying flat yeah ferris wheels i'm so terrified of ferris wheels for some reason i still won't go on even when i was just a california adventure i don't want to go on that ferris wheel it's not big on those on that one yeah right the one at california venture i've never done the hanging the crazy car one where it like hits the side or whatever but i remember talking about my anxiety lately and i did when jason paul sheer and i went up in one of those i had a little bit of an anxiety attack on the way up we were kind of packed in

like sardines though it was the three of us on one bench and then a strain a family of strangers oh my god the other yeah and i remember this guy kind of like zoning out of my brain for a moment so yeah i do have a weird it's like heights i have a weird height it comes in and out at different times and for different reasons yeah it's like i've done the at the sears willis they're changing the name again i think right in chicago yeah yeah i've done the walk over the edge oh yeah oh really and it's crazy how your lizard brain is like you're gonna die and so you're like my legs like turn to mush when i did that but it's like oh you're safe but yeah ferris wheels it's like it's a weird combo because if you are sitting and you're enclosed like that should feel safe but yeah ferris wheels it's like it's a weird combo because if you are sitting and you're enclosed like that should feel safe but i wonder if it's like a cloverfield thing because it's

always the last shot of that movie is them in that thing when you see the monster come down and i wonder if there's a little bit of that in there too like i'm about to be attacked you know like or the giant creature i for me i think it's uh heights and slow like being slow if it's fast i don't care but if it's we're if we're high up and it's very slow and there's any little bit of like feeling like you're exposed yeah i think do you hate like a hang like you're like we're stopping the ferris wheel for a little bit yes you'd rather just keep it keep it rolling i wish the ferris wheel was fast as hell going nuts and i wouldn't worry about it sure they're building a ferris wheel

in dubai that's like three times the size of the one in the uk or something insane i think it's open oh it is open oh geez well the thing you know what the thing i do at the dumbest thing one of the dumbest things in vegas they have that i do want to do because i've brought it up before is you because they have the big ferris wheel there and you can rent out one that has a bar in it whoa and it goes up for like 45 minutes or an hour so you get a big group of people in there is they have the big Ferris wheel there and you can rent out one that has a bar in it. Whoa. And it goes up for like 45 minutes or an hour. So you get a big group of people in there with like a bartender.

Bachelor party. Bachelor party. I'm thinking about it. Oh yeah. Congrats by the way. Oh, thank you. See, and that's great for me because all these things you're talking about are my

ideal modes of transit. If I could, I would ride them every day. A Ferris wheel? You would ride the Ferris wheel to work? I could take a Ferris wheel to an urban gondola system. I would probably be the happiest in my life. How's that going to work?

So you like step out of it onto a platform? Yes, step out. Look, I didn't say it was realistic. I'm just saying. It's like Pee-wee's Big Adventure. I'm the total opposite. It's just like, I love these things. You can do into a gondola.

Fired into a cannon. What? Have you seen that you can now rent train cars like oh don't tell him this he'll lose all his money billy jensen true crime journalist mentions because he wants to do this where you basically it's like that idea of like you rent a train car with you and your friends and there's like bunks and they have like routes to like vegas or louisiana or whatever new orleans and it's like you have your own private car basically wow you're like hitched to the back of like a thing this is his dream there is um i i learned about um one of the fremont street casinos used to be a train like the ground float like you the train would this was a train station like you would take the train into this

casino and like get off that's and of course that has not been the case in many decades but it's like could you imagine so you're saying like a bachelor party i could rent a train car yeah yeah well i don't know the high speed rail the the los angeles las vegas high speed rail i feel like was a big big project talked about for a long time that never really happened oh yeah yeah on the ground no but this train car i'm saying yeah yeah it's dragged back yeah behind a truck or something yeah maybe like you're behind freight cars you're just hooked up to the back and yeah i think i mean i didn't really look into it that much but i wonder if it's similar to like that twa thing where you can do dinner on the plane and all like you're recreating the 60s pan am or whatever interesting

but you're actually moving on the train like i mean it seems like post or like between the pandemic and then this now whatever it's like we're there's actually other kinds of cool like almost theme park like experiences like they're trying to make outside of the theme parks like i did the dinosaurs in the parking lot jurassic quest yeah i did that and that was super fun like that was a really good time yeah we were i mean there's there's it comes in waves the theme parkification of like obviously eventually we'll do a little more on the restaurants but that was obviously in vogue in the 90s especially to to make everything feel like it was some crazy theme.

Oh, yeah. Ray Forrest Cafe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And all that stuff. And we'll do it. Dive.

Steven Spielberg's Dive. Why do you sound so annoyed? No, I'm not. I'm just saying I know I'm exasperated with us for not doing the Dive. Yeah. Yeah. No. Oh, long.

I waited far too long. But I'm saying, yeah. Then I feel like, yeah, it is coming stuff and malls. Obviously, the Void is gone now. Oh, really? Although is gone now although rumors that maybe the void will sell or try to come back i just heard that um but like yeah having a little guy it's meta meta is where we're all gonna be living we're gonna want to go we're gonna want to go to theme parks to take a break from meta because we're gonna be Meta for 22 hours a day. Going to be meeting all our robot friends and watching koi fish fly through the sky.

The robot friends is good. This is the VR future that we've somehow ended up. Mike loves Meta. Finally. Oh, yeah. We're second life. Awesome. I'm into Meta now, is what i'll say on the podcast we have to

now it's so we started doing it in person and it was fun like we're podcast recording in person again and now mike insists on doing it through meta yeah where he can see us as giant lizards and abstract wind creatures that i'm just kirby like in my beer. That's who I am. In my space. That sounds nice. Yeah, Kirby's fun. That reminds me of a former podcast guest, Van Robichaux, who created a VR scenario where he could write in VR on a beach. Like the Terminator surgeon performing surgery. He had created a thing where he put the the the

helmet on and then he was on a beach at a computer but he could just go to the beach with the computer i'm just this driving to the west yeah oh my god this is a secret parking is impossible i rarely i don't do it it's another universe over there. I mean, as somebody who uses their Oculus only for pottery, for the pottery game that they have, I kind of get it. Sure. But way less, but see, but that's way less messy. Like I'm not doing a real pottery setup that's hundreds of dollars. Right.

Oh, that's true. Oh, you're right. And the cleanup on that is insane. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That makes all the sense. So we'll all be in meta.

We'll all be doing our own work on the computer VR laptops. Mike's starting an episode over in the space room. I better get over there. I just got a pixel tattoo. Where? He's surrounded by all his robot

friends. He's friends with 100 robots in meta. Yes. That would be awesome. I'm like the king of meta and all the robots want to be my friend you create your own was that isn't that like ready player one where it's like he's you create kind of your own like life timeline thing where it's like a reliving parsifal from ready player one right that's his name i i don't know the characters we all know and love and remember i saw it mike look you've made so many robot friends in here and i your robot father figure am so proud of you i've never been more proud of you hey uh man uh thanks so much but i don't think i can hang

out with you as much i have a lot of other friends now so i don't need your i don't need your shit anymore man i don't need you to tell me i'm good i know i'm good but i you used to love when i thanked you for your bravery yeah that was a few years ago i'm cooler now are you sure do you don't do you want to like go uh toss the all spark around in Twilight Zone 2022 that's the best episode it's gonna happen some version of it's gonna happen let's talk the filming

location we can't let the episode end without talking about the fine works of art that have been filmed in Lagoon I mean call out any that you're excited about at the episode end without talking about the fine works of art that have been filmed in Lagoon. I mean, call out any that you're excited about. There's one that's

regrettably not on the Wikipedia, or no, it is on the Wikipedia. I just, there wasn't enough context for it, I didn't think,

to build up what this great film was. I mean, I like the first one, Mirror, Mirror, You and Your Self Image, a 1969 film by the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints and brigham young university great that's available on youtube

if you want to uh watch a creepy eight millimeter film where a guy's mirror uh tries to empower him a white guy that's when a young white guy in utah who really needs building up of self-esteem sure in the 60s sure um tough uh what what did what did you respond to as a well i this really meant nothing to me but jane got very excited and this this i think is one of our our uh gaps in our knowledge is that she grew up watching the dcom the disney channel original movie so when i said do you know what the people say the irish is dcom is the term people use dcom yeah does she say it it's a dcom jason has said it yeah she i i don't know if i heard it from her first or inside the disney vault first uh podcast um but uh yeah the luck of the irish film scenes there which is yeah that movie is

literally a kid turns into a leprechaun yes and plays basketball i have seen this but it's been a minute he in the scene they film in lagoon he there's irish step dancing happening as it does around most places that you live and he can't help him so he just like his legs take over it's just like uh like like turning into a werewolf what is happening to me and he starts stepping and clogging oh my god and he's just up there when was lord of the dance uh wait this movie feels late it was like 2001 that yeah it was before that yeah what are the mid 90s well, we talked about this. Michael Flatley was in there.

Because it inspired this bad Disney parade. He was in Riverdance. Yes. To begin with. And then he created Lord of the Dance after the mid-90s. And then they got off their asses and made a decom five years after all this hit its peak. Right. Sure.

The decom. Probably the most unpleasant thing uh various scenes for the movie wieners starring keenan thompson jenny mccarthy and daryl hammond whoa you say you say most unplugged i was that's the one i was the most excited about was wieners this is one of the most unpleasant posters i've ever seen. Oh, no way. It's a package of hot dogs. Yeah, and you don't like it. The movie's called Wieners. I mean, I still feel it's my favorite thing. Like, I don't know, man. Co-op.

You're like, if they're going to make a movie about Wieners, they got to do it right. Show some respect to the Oscar Mayer packaging logos. Does it not change the equation that it went straight to DVD where it was referred to as the 100% pure beef edition? Oh God. I miss those days of DVDs getting the jokey special edition titles. Totally not rated, totally blurfed up.

And then it's like hashtag at sign exclamation point. I just, the real is the plot. There's only, there's three no four or five paragraphs the second paragraph starts on the way they encounter an elderly nymphomaniac couple frank and felicia applebaum blake clark and mindy sterling who have sexual intercourse in front of them that's the second plot paragraph slinky dog slinky dog number two blake clark oh wow he's a great cast and the the king of of theme park media

chris pratt this is an early chris pratt performance where he's on the show that daryl hammond hosts the dr duane show where he does not they don't have the money to give him a bald cap but he does do like you need to get out of your toxic relationship. I think I know who Dr. Dwayne is supposed to be. I guess we're all watching Wieners. Yeah, I know. I turn everybody around. It's got genuine movie stars.

Wait, is this on? Can we watch this on Disney Plus? Is this like a peacock? I think you have to buy the physical 100% pure beef edition. The creators are very specific. It's meant for DVD. We forgo the theatrical run. We refuse it. We're not taking one.

You need to buy this at a Walmart. All right. For like $29. Purchase at a Walmart. All right. Two of us are going to Walmart. Two of us are going to Amoeba Records We'll surely find one somewhere between the two I'm sure we can get you

I will one day get you like 50 copies of Wieners As a gift They're in a warehouse somewhere All this loose stock It has to be Well let me look up the resale now 100 times 50

Equals like 5000% to be and i will see i'll look up the well let me look up the resale now 100 times 50 equals like what that's like 5 000 pure beef as you could there could never be so much pure beef in one place outside of hot dog factory it would be impossible um an episode of andy mack uh past guest lee lampoden of course one of the stars that show that shot at lagoon a lot of disney uh series disney shoots in utah a lot the high school musical show shoots there too so if you make a tax break movie or show then you're gonna end up at lagoon yeah so that's what in my head i got it mixed up when i went there i thought they had shot high school musical there at the theme park but i guess they just shoot in utah yeah oh gotcha yeah i was like and it's like oh no there's no there's nothing here that looks not that i'm you know uh not that i've like watched

them religiously but i did not i did not recognize any you know it's any time you go to a place and you're like oh i want to see where they film the thing uh not the thing but like even uh like the last time i was in hawaii was like oh cool this is where they shot this part of jurassic park but it's like you can't really tell it's always kind of a letdown a little bit i find oh yeah yeah yeah that's hard yeah that's just a little like amorphous i got i was on a boat tour and i got to see where the they said this is where the helipad was like where they arrived yeah yeah i did that yeah yeah uh you can sort of tell but you're also like i don't think it tell me any of these are the one without the platform you can't really yeah i was like like lauren because lauren lapkus was in a scene i was like were you there and i think she literally went to hawaii just for that one

part wow with um with miss ronnie um with that character with erfin khan like they literally she just flew to hawaii just to shoot that helipad sequence because the rest of this stuff was in louisiana oh wow that's crazy oh that's so sweet i can't find a wieners dvd on ebay oh what this is this is really rare wieners is not available it's not available there's a listing for it on walmart but i can't find it oh man i feel like i did see ads for it wait wait no i found it on ebay okay okay nine thousand dollars quick quick uh souvenir smackdown okay how much without shipping i'll say the shipping would be 319 how much do you think wieners dvd is going for 2008 wieners 2008 um let's steven finish it so maybe he can take the do the over

under i'll just i'll say like uh thirty five dollars thirty five dollars jason eighteen dollars eighteen dollars steven i'm gonna go 10.99 well if it's price of right rules, everyone loses. Yeah, yeah, okay. It's $1.30. Why can't we all? Because if we had made these guesses before we talked about it, we would have said, I don't know. Right. 42 cents? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The legend of wieners got too big. Buy wieners for $1.30. Wait, is it mint and packaged, do you know? Let me see. Let me see what it says. That is less than the cost of a package of wieners. It just says condition is good oh so i it's not like there's no seal on it condition is good film is great oh man um well i mean incredible lineup of stuff not to mention the show werewolf which is apparently one of the

first fox shows when fox was new oh i never a werewolf and why didn't werewolf go beyond season one and we kind of look into that yeah amazing stuff that and dark angel i need to re-watch yeah this all right with the werewolf cast we're revisiting every episode of werewolf cast were revisiting every episode of werewolf then no zero listeners at a certain point that will happen here was something uh tangentially related nolan bushnell oh yeah worked at the carnival games while he was getting his electrical engineering degree at the universal university of utah that's like his waltz or no, Tony Baxter Ice Cream Scooper thing, where his formative years were at Lagoon. Yeah.

I kind of like that. Like whenever you learn that somebody, because isn't that the thing with the studio tour at Universal, that a lot of people gave that tour and then would go on to be famous? Famous podcasters. Yeah, like maybe they're one of the top podcasters on this show certainly he's in the three the top three hosts of podcast thread uh um that there's like a few

it's not that good of a paul feig's a big one nice okay um and there's like and there's an actor named jack wagner who people don't really he made a song called all i need that's like a soft rock classic and that's that nice so if you like and those three those are three that's it jack wagner scott garner i mean i think i mean working at a theme park is like such a because you're whatever job you have i think at least like with food it's like you're working at a like a restaurant or cafeteria but then you're also dealing with the added like in my head it was always like well everybody's been waiting in lines all day and now we're hungry and we just want to eat so i feel like everyone's a little more tense like going

to places but i feel like at the sit-down restaurants it was probably more relaxing i imagine that the blue bayou is probably like nice to actually sit down but like because pizza port it's another line you have to get into to get food yeah so i always felt that way it's stressful in there that's a that's those are that's points like maybe the patio is okay but the patio like did you feel that stress yeah i i enjoyed being it felt like when you were cleaning outside it was like you were like independent you were like we're in your own thoughts like you were walking around sweeping i'd watch the bands you know like of course you would see like the same thing every time.

So I was like getting sick of it. But like, uh, I always, I enjoyed that. And then I enjoyed making the salads more because you just got a big bowl and you just got to like, you know,

you had to make like a hundred pound salad or whatever. And then disperse amongst people. Whoa. Um, the pizza was always the, again, as I mentioned earlier, because it's like, you just have to throw away so much pizza. Yeah. Yeah as I mentioned earlier because it's like you just have to throw

away so much pizza yeah what's it do you know anything about what's going into that pizza because I find the pizza a tad suspect I always feel like to me I think I mean I'm not like a pizza expert or anything but I feel like it's basically a

not as good version of Costco pizza that's my assessment of, but I haven't had the, I haven't had the pizza or pizza in like, yeah, 15 years. Right. But at the time they said it was the most popular restaurant at Disneyland.

Yeah. I don't know if that's changed at all, but yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I was just there a couple of days ago and there was a little big line. It's now alien pizza port or pizza planet. Excuse me.

Um, they've changed the name of it but it is i think the same pizza yeah i'm increasingly more expensive yeah it's 15 more per slice um but yeah it seems like it's still very popular um so yeah um this is maybe this is a good thing to start hitting out on the uh there was there let's talk about a lagoon snack something that they this is apparently as opposed to dip and dots this is very rare in america maybe very popular in canada but i believe this is the first american location of something called beaver tails beaver tails anyone had beaver tails or know about it before i know that it used to be

served or briefly was served at the canada pavilion in epcot oh that makes sense okay okay um i have to picture this these are maybe i did good like so it's the it is like kind of this wider it's like a pizza crust but um you know like mixed with i mean beaver tail is a great way it's like that width and length. And then it's, I mean, the stuff they top it with is Fantier's, one with a bunch of Reese's Pieces. There's one with an avalanche with cheesecake spread score bits. What's score, Jason? Are you kidding me? Score?

Decom, score, keep up, Scott. Score is, I would say, the main competitor to Heath Bar. Score is like a hard crispy toffee covered in chocolate. Mike ever heard of it? Never. Steve ever heard of it? Score, Score and Heath Bars. Are you kidding me?

You're turning to John McEnroe. Jason. Oh, man, I'm throwing this microphone. It sounds delicious. He would try to go get Score Bars on Mischief Night. But, you know know i didn't i didn't have beaver tails but it reminds me the other kind of like salt lake uh staple kind of thing that i tried was uh like uh navajo like fried bread and it's like it's like a big thing

out there where it's like thick it's like kind of the same thing with the the beaver tails where it's kind of like a thicker pastry i don't think it's it might be fried or baked or something like that but there's a lot of like fast food like specific to salt lake where they had that as like get your thing in like a nava like your taco or whatever in a navajo fry bread that sounds really good because it's like it's basically um a gordita you know basically yeah like the the origin of that is like thicker bread on the sides or like a burger or whatever yeah that sounds good yeah do you remember was it like any of the drinks were they special in any way i mean i think for for that it was truly the oktoberfest thing that we kind of focused on and then yeah because i kind of it's funny i usually take lots of pictures but when i was like looking for my pictures i wasn't finding as many like pictures of food or anything.

And I feel like, yeah, I think we, I think we just snacked. I think we did do some Dippin' Dots. Maybe you were just living in the moment. Yeah. Yeah.

I was really focused on the pioneer village. Yeah. And the furniture. Yes. I was looking up souvenir stuff because if it's part I haven't been to, I usually look up like, Oh yeah. Are there notable foods? Are there notable souvenirs and one of the uh like tour videos i watched on youtube

of like people going to the park they they pointed out that there's not a ton of souvenir shops no it's truly i mean there's there was like another like big memory towards the end of the day was that they had a ram um uh i think the name is not rampage but it's the other primal rage they had a primal rage video game there so i had to like stop and play that for a little bit it was the dinosaur fighting game that they actually used claymation to animate the dinosaurs fighting and there was also the apes where they could take a piss like as like a taunt yes and then whoa yeah and it was a really successful game but then i think midway bought the company and they were like this is way too expensive to literally do stop motion

animation fighting so they like halfway finished the second game and then never put it out that was all like the uh clay fighters is like that too yeah there was like a thing everyone was doing and i guess like mortal kombat was like real life people yeah for a while but that was like cheaper than like having somebody like like i just have like flashbacks of like nightmare before christmas like making up videos of like you know just slowly moving it's like yeah we need this arcade game to come out in six months we don't have time for this yeah jeez but you hadn't seen one in a long time and they had it there yeah i hadn't seen i yeah i just have such specific memories of a kid. Because it did come out for Sega Genesis, I think, and Super Nintendo.

But I never owned it. So to me, that's like an arcade game memory. Oh, yeah. If I, when I was a kid, if I ever saw one of the, is it Neo Geo? The cabinets that had like four games in it and you selected the game? I would always play it because it was always games you might never see again yeah like you could configure what was in those cabinets so like yeah i was fighting game obsessed as a child oh sure to a one-on-one or whatever just killer instinct time splitters was another one that was yeah splitters i didn't play

that one that much that was where you could saw off limbs yeah and somebody could bounce around on like one leg and fight each other i do remember that but i didn't play it enough final fight uh was this final fight one-on-one or is it a side scroller it might have been a side scroller because i like those two but um like the renit the fighting game probably this is offensive to real video game people like the renaissance of the like 90s violent yeah yeah uh fighting games so there's a couple other oh turtles tournament fighters my favorite game of all time maybe the ninja turtles one-on-one with their you know villains and heroes mine's probably i freak out if i ever see wieners the video game yeah oh my god now now the pure beef is in your hands i mean that i lose my because the joysticks are big wieners yeah it feels so realistic you can now they're remaking that

so you can get that at home that console at home oh like a little mini version kind of like a retro a retro wieners the wieners look exactly like they did in 2008 really ticked yeah you got to play like uh super smash brothers with that though oh yeah it works for other games yeah yeah it's nice they made it to uh actually jason i was gonna say i did get a magnet from lagoon because i do good i do like for a while my thing was like coffee cups and then that got so many coffee mugs yeah out of control so i started getting um magnets for places in the last few years and so lagoon um it is basically it's the ferris wheel it looks like it's like a drop thing but i don't remember seeing that and there's almost like the top of like a carnival tent and a flag and lagoon in that kind of rainbowy color and it says lagoon

the fun spot of utah yes they have some good slogans all All right. Yeah. Great. Yeah, it's fun. They're not lying. One of their other slogans is just, it's what fun is. Yes. It's what fun is. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

All right. It's minimal. It means something to me. I mean, it doesn't seem like you disagree with any of this. No. It seems like you'll be back. I would dig it. I think we definitely, I haven't been back to Salt Lake in a bit, but I feel like if

I, the next time I go, I definitely would go again. Cause it's reasonable price and it's like a fun day. And it's not like, cause my experience going to Orlando recently was my first time back since I was a kid. And I was like, how could you even do any, even a single park is way bigger than anything here. I feel like I couldn't do any of those parks in one day. Yeah. If I wanted to be thorough, you know, sure. Sure. sure sure lagoon is like very much like again i didn't hit everything but then that's kind of nice because if i go back then i could give myself a whole different experience

yeah when you go back you have to see this painting this is at the loading of terror ride this painting is uh awesome it's uh got a dragon and a caveman and a wrapped up skeleton and a squid and a snake. I don't know. Well, and there's a little like there's a vulture at the beginning of that ride that makes a joke about like calling. I need to. They told me to stop calling small children appetizers. Yes. The vulture gives the safety spiel to too. Yeah. Like, click-clack with the mouth. Yeah, that's good. Terrific.

Yeah. And then at the end of the ride, there's a big, like, suddenly you get hit by lights, and there's a big honk, like a train or a truck is about to hit you, and it's so loud that you can hear it from outside the building, like, constantly. Like, the video that I saw, I was like, why do you keep hearing, er, er? So, they're not the best at soundproofing but it seems like they're uh among the best at fun there might be some bleed i'm just like thinking the mummy ride where it's like in the break room you just say your soul is mine like every five minutes like

yeah yeah i would get old as you like just like so what are you doing this weekend i'm gonna go see a movie at the it's free parking at the theater i might go is mine it's just like becomes like white noise like people probably use it to go to sleep at that point like they're so used to it and it's calming at that well it's funny that you say that because it it didn't occur to me until going back to california adventure is like oh i grew up with just fireworks every night at nine o'clock oh yeah yeah and i totally forgot about that like again i lived like 15 minutes away like so i couldn't see them but we would hear them every night like nine nine o'clock i believe right is

when the fireworks just a way a lot it's just like a basic of your day i'm like interesting but yeah so like moving to la where it was like with animals being like scared of fireworks i was like i feel like i mean they were all of our pets growing we're just fucked up like you know what i mean like having fireworks every night yeah pts like constant pts yeah yeah because la was like then now it was like oh like fireworks are i mean they in la it is very terrifying like when fireworks go off right next to you like wherever you're standing but uh yeah i grew up like grew up just with that as just part of the background yeah i mean i mean, I guess if it's on a schedule, it's okay. The first time I went to New York and stayed in a hotel, I was like, that noise never stops. That city noise doesn't stop.

It's like the city doesn't sleep is what I thought. But it's like, yeah, anything that's just kind of as long as it comes on time or it's just constant, your brain just goes, yeah, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Processes it in the background. Tune it out. That's what it's like in Salt Lake City with John Huntsman's band. It's just always playing. He's always jamming.

He's jamming loud enough in the governor's mansion for the whole city to hear. Has Huntsman ever jammed with Huckabee? Oh, boy. Well, the whole city would light on fire like lagoon did in the 50s because they'd burn everything around them to the ground the heat of their jam does huntsman play guitar uh i'm not sure it might be keyboards oh interesting okay so they could have just rocks he just holds the mic just he considers himself um an anthony ketis of republican band oh yeah that's what i didn't say the whole band was nude also wearing only socks yeah yeah again salt lake city

is liberal compared to the rest of uh uh this has been so fun thank you for uh bringing us to this place that we never would have known about filled with stuff that we love. Steven Ray Morris, you survived podcast, the ride. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you. It's been such an honor to join the podcast. I have to shout out to my friend Carly.

She's such a big fan of you guys. And yeah, and no, it's just, this has been so much fun. Again, it was one of those things where I was like, like I going to theme parks and having it be part of my life.

I'd never realized that like there there's like a whole world of it. So that's been very exciting. Oh, and like people have lots of opinions about this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

that's great. Oh, we could be the conduit for that and you know, help you avoid the like Facebook groups that were started 15 years ago about it that you don't even want to, you don't want to go anywhere near. I think we're closed. I think the moment that it hit for me too,

is like the idea that there is now an opinion about how long the Nightmare Before Christmas stuff is on Haunted Mansion. I was like, oh, I guess that's been around longer than now that people don't like that anymore. There's even subcultures within it. Because you were probably like, it'd be weird to have an opinion about it at all, let alone multiple. Yeah, yeah.

So it's been exciting going down that rabbit hole a little bit well thank you for like like for tweeting and supporting the show and sharing your memories and stuff it's like fun to interact with you in the last couple months glad to meet you in person let's exit through the gift shop is there anything you'd like to plug uh yeah just at steve ray morris on social media and then yeah uh the percast and uh see jurassic right um i was lucky enough to also go to the jurassic world ride premiere um back when it first opened in 2019 we were there yeah yeah and i it was it was such a it was like oh well movies come out all the time and that's cool but how often do new rides open and so to me that was like one of the coolest experiences ever um and i talked about that

that was its end with fireworks yeah and star of wieners fireworks speaking of those fireworks yeah crazy i was not prepped for that yeah no no no yeah yeah that was like a little jump scares yeah yeah you want um but yeah yeah check out see jurassic right i uh we have we do a lot i spent a lot of time universal so it comes up a lot okay have you now have you watched the new ride? The China one? From Beijing. Yeah, the one in Beijing. I've seen some of it.

Okay, but you're going to go in fresh. I don't say anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hoping, yeah, what they're doing there in Japan is so cool, and I definitely want to go someday. It looks crazy. Yeah. As for us, you can find us on all the socials at Podcast the Ride.

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