Podcast: The Ride - Matterhorn Bobsleds + Marvel Land

Episode Date: May 4, 2018

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Warning! Today's podcast may include scandalous tales of teenage lap-seating, rivers of candy blood, and unspeakable evil, like the Shah of Iran's secret torture police and Disney World hotels charging for parking now. Buckle up, it's the Matterhorn Bobsleds on Podcast The Ride. welcome to podcast the ride the show hosted by three men trying to outrace death by knowing every theme park's signature treat. I'm Jason Sheridan, joined as always by Mike Carlson. So you're saying that if we know every treat that exists at Disney or not, that maybe the Grim Reaper will come another day. We will outrace death. Embodied by a skiing man, right, in jack kirby's fourth world isn't oh is that

that's like racing yeah that seems right like the evil racers that really ties into the theme today yeah it's skiing yeah good work oh right also like it does oh yes yes yes yes a lot of skiing going on in the matter jason's playing four-dimensional chess right now. I'm playing four-dimensional chess. And playing with me, Scott Gairdner. I sure am. Don't checkmate me. Yeah, wait, outrunning, yeah. I mean, yeah, treats help distract from the ultimate specter.

Some might say, though, the treats speed up. You know, if you have too many treats jason well yeah but you got to do a few laps on the park to walk off that giardelli all right that's a good place to get your steps in good great place to get your step disneyland a trip to disneyland i will often uh justify the indulgence by knowing on that i'm i'm walking potentially nine ten miles yeah absolutely that's true um most in my life uh i'm never doing any marathon or anything so every trip to disneyland is my marathon yeah it's very funny looking at my steps and it'll be like from my orlando trip it'll be like 20,000

steps 25,000 steps and then the trip is over and it's like 500 steps like one flight climbed and that's it yeah so go there load up load up for the year like gathering berries for your hibernation yeah um and it levels you out you're in pretty good shape i feel uh i don't know i mean kind of i think it's just luck honestly i'm tall and you're tall yeah Yeah, it goes everywhere. It just falls. My metabolism is still okay for a man in his mid-30s. I don't think any of the three of us are a real rough mess considering how much treats factor into our lives and discussion and alcohol and indulgent meals. I eat Taco Bell three times a week, and I'm doing fine.

Wow. Maybe not three, maybe two. Let's say two. Now, did I eat it two hours ago? Yes. Yes. Yes, I did. So on a random sampling day.

Yeah, I ate two small, very small kind of treat snack sizes. Treats. Yeah. Yeah, it's all about portion control now, right? That's what they say. Yes, now it is, yes. In 2018.

So yeah, we're talking matterhorn today sure are matterhorn bobsleds yeah that's the official name yeah thought so didn't want to get that wrong uh and for our seo get all those uh bobsled fans to listen to just this oh yeah that's cool still high off the winter olympics still riding strong uh but some some recent events some news uh to kick us off sure yeah what do you got well uh well we got a very nice message uh uh this was through twitter michael natal sent us a message uh about a recent announcement by disney uh michael writes this is gonna bizarre, but here it goes. My mother,

who isn't in any way tech savvy, is a huge fan of your show. In fact, it's in fact the only podcast you'll listen to. As such, she asked me on her behalf to reach out to ask you guys

if you would at any point discuss the controversy over Disney World choosing to now charge hotel guests for parking at the hotels themselves. I know that's specific, but I'm just doing what I was asked. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Michael's mom. What a good son.

For listening. What a good son. Hey, yeah. Thanks, both of you, for listening. Yeah, I like how he was just like, I'm just following orders. This is not what I wanted to do. I'd be curious to hear what he would like us to talk about. Oh, yeah.

That's true. But, you know, he's going in generational order, which I think is right. That is nice. Yes. Yeah. Good difference to your mom. So, yeah. What do we think?

So, yeah. Disney World is now charging. If you're staying at, like, the Polynesian Hotel and you're staying overnight, most hotels will charge you, like, $40 to keep a a car there whether it's a rent whatever car in general in the world yes in in high density areas yes like if you come to la or you go to new york you're you're gonna pay a premium to park at hotels if you're staying at like a hilton garden inn or a courtyard by marriott in the middle in the suburbs or something there's usually a giant free parking lot but um uh and a lot of resorts sort of play, like Universal's on-site hotels have charged for pretty much,

I think I've always charged for parking, but that was a perk of Disney's. If you stay on-site at Disney, you park for free at the hotels, you're staying at that one little bone tossed to the people who were paying for the far more expensive hotels that are right on site yeah so that's going away that's going away now it's like 40 a night probably i will say this i didn't know they weren't charging people to park there i had no idea i haven't stayed i stayed there like four years ago on site i didn't realize i didn't have a car, though. Right. So I don't know.

I didn't know that. That is news to me. Didn't you just go with a car, though? Well, we didn't. That was a whole thing. I didn't even get to that on the podcast episode. There was a whole debacle with budget rent a car. We had reservations at Be Our Guest restaurant.

There's still more. Yeah, there's more. We had reservations at 830. We were in the line at 7 o'clock at the airport. And I was like, guys, look, if we wait in this line line we're never getting to be our guest i'm like we got to abandon this rent-a-car and i convinced the party i was to abandon the rent-a-car uh he got the money luke he got the money back don't worry but i was yeah jason was he was sweating gripping the microphone like yeah what's the end of this story like a plane going down did budget rent a car were they

also going to make you eat a seven course meal it's in the trunk cranberry sauce and gravy i would have done it to get to be our guest i would have eaten two meals so how did you get on proper did you take a lift we had to take a lift we took an 80 lift ride to the hotel and then to the magic kingdom and i had to look into parking at the Contemporary because I was wondering if before we could have rented a car and parked at the Contemporary. But they do track you. They do check.

So they give you three. You'd have to be eating at the Contemporary to park there if you weren't staying there. So they're already becoming very restrictive on parking at their hotels as it is. This is what we do for fun is do, do this in life and then talk about it later at you. Yeah. Uh,

we, we enjoy getting around, uh, parking fees. And yeah. Well, so in that regard, I'm,

I'm not for this. Well, I don't know. Hey, I'm not for people getting charged for these hotels, but if it gives us all a chance to try to game the system, one of our favorite activities, then... Right.

Harmlessly. Harmlessly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we're not bad boys. Good boy. I will say... Just trying to get a value. I was a bad boy.

So what would happen is, since we were taking lifts at Disney World, you would have to get dropped off. So like at Hollywood Studios, it's very easy to get dropped off. They have a section for ride share. But for instance, Magic Kingdom, they want to make you go to Tickin Transportation Center, take a monorail, and that's going to take a while. What you can do is you can go up to the front of the contemporary.

They go, what are you doing here? And then you go like, oh, I'm going to eat here. And they go, all right. But they're suspicious of you, and they should be because you're not eating there. You're just going to get let out of contemporary and walk over to the Magic Kingdom. This happened to me at the Grand Californian. We took a Lyft because the Lyft drop off is very far away from where we were going at Disneyland. And so, yeah, we took a Lyft to the Grand Californian.

Very, very weird and stern and suspicious. And like, oh, yeah, we're going to a restaurant. Oh yeah, which restaurant? Wet Water Snacks, my man. Yep, that would have been, now I know. Now I know that's the answer. Because I said, did I say this all on the podcast already at some point? I said the Napa Rose and they said, nice try.

Napa Rose opens at 11. Ta-ta. It was like, it was this, it was this very like. Did they say ta-ta? No, not ta-ta. That was the attitude. It was very, it was very ta-ta it was like it was this it was this very like say ta-ta uh no not ta-ta that was the attitude is very uh it was very ta-ta yeah it was it was just kind of like shut you down found a hole in your leg it was this very like snooty movie villain the guy who then you like hit on the head with a club and drag him somewhere and put on his clothes and then march into the lair or whatever i mean mean, that'll be interesting.

Scott is now working the gate at Grand California. Then I got stuck with it. Then I just liked the job and the uniform, and I stayed. That'll be interesting when that four diamond or whatever, the really fancy hotel opens at Disneyland because there's an expected level of service at that quality of high, high-end hotel and like you have to weigh that you have to balance that out with that disney like you pay your ticket everything

above board sort of thing now there's also a lot of uh con man maniacs out there who are trying to pull real cons on them so i get their suspicion um you don't consider us con men maniacs though no i don't think because like also like we're just savvy pass holders yeah and it's goers park goers yeah i mean who cares like uh yeah it's it's yeah very savvy stuff and there's too much of this thing going i couldn't believe that level of judgment. I thought this was the be our guest culture. How could this Disney man be so mean to us? They've gotten yelled at by some meaner person, probably, of like, we can't have just lifts dropping people off here all day, and so they're scared, or they've been hardened by a system.

Yeah, there's a lot to deal with. And that's also like when high-level executives go to Disneyland, they just valet for free at the Grand Californian and then walk into the parks or are escorted into the parks. So they never have to go on the tram. They have a lot to deal with. So yeah, if you're running late once and you want to valet, I mean, you can pay and valet at Contemporary or Grand Californian out here.

But if you're just going to try to go park quickly, you have to do the old the old restaurant fib yeah yeah i mean i think that's a good point that you made earlier mike of like you didn't realize that they were uh not charging people like uh uh and i think that is probably partly of their justification is like if people are buying big packages in florida and paying for everything else or every other resort fee and stuff, they probably won't notice this sort of thing. Yeah. I mean, they are.

Look, there's no better way. They are going to suck all the money they can out of you. So it does. Yeah. If I'm giving you my opinion on it, it does suck. It's bad. I think it's shitty. It's shitty i mean i think it's shitty that the two that like get getting rid of the like uh the free the soaps

and stuff like oh well that's a different the soaps to the shower this is a whole nother topic and this is something you were very upset with i don't know if we've talked about the scottis looks confused the toiletry like some of the disney hotels are like rather than like the single serve travel toiletries, you would get in a hotel room. And this is a thing at kind of more... The budget hotels, right? Budget hotels or pod hotel or ace hotel.

There's a chain called Ace Hotels. There's just giant bottles of soap, shampoo, conditioner bolted to the wall and then housekeeping just refills those every time now it is more environmentally conscious but for disney that's one less free souvenir that's one little perk one of jason's face i mean a lot of people this isn't just a weird this isn't me there's a huge you especially and i would on occasion you bring back a little the mickey the the shampoo with Mickey's head on it. Jason will come back stocked up for six months

with shampoos and soaps and a couple bath towels. They got that H2O. That's a great brand. That's a high-end brand. When else, but at a hotel, are you using the moisturizer or the other the third cream? Shampoo, conditioner, and then the like the

foot rub cream i don't know as a gentleman i'm not usually using uh you know extra shower gel or whatever but in a hotel i'll treat myself well jason's still using some of that cream from one of his visits in 1994 yeah he's been doling that out yeah it's got bill clinton waving on it uh yeah mickey and bill was the part-time promotion. I think that you're going to be really sad when they start bolting the bath towels to the wall. Yeah. And they'll need to.

Yeah. Or the bathrobe that you steal out of the room. Yeah. They just have a, there's a cord attached to the bathrobe that you won't be able to leave with it. Your tether, you can go anywhere in the room, perhaps to the balcony, that you won't be able to leave with it your tether you can go anywhere in the room perhaps to the balcony but it'll snap you back if you try to jump yeah right you're trying to jump in a bathrobe that's good too if you're you have suicidal thoughts mm-hmm so they're

helping yeah they're uh they're curbing the death rate by with that robe leash sure um but yeah i mean i i have to i think it's a little bit of, like, bleeding people dry. I feel like when I was growing up, like, Disney was trying to get, like, as many people as possible to the parks. And now that they've done that for a few generations, they're like, this might be stretching our infrastructure a little bit. What if we got less people, but they spent more money? That is what a lot of places are doing too which is just like well we have some customers instead of making more customers let's just bleed the ones we have dry yeah and there's the assumption maybe you know like when michael eisner took over the company in the early 80s, I think it was maybe the only time in Disney's history

that it was in question whether, like, will this keep going? If there was ever going to be a time that Disney stopped, it was then. And now I think, and there was probably, it was because the whole Eisner run was about keeping Disney relevant for teens and new sets of kids.

And now I think there's been a few generations and the existing fans will make their children existing fans yes and so like i think the cycle will will never end and uh so they don't they don't need to do anybody any favors at this point that's why we know we talked about on videopolis how there was like a summer pass just to get teens into the right into the nightclub they're not doing anything like that no absolutely No, absolutely not. And even in the 90s, like in Disneyland, or even when I started. Yeah, when we started going,

it was like you got in free on your birthday and you could put the free ticket toward your annual pass. So you could get an annual pass for like 100 bucks. You get it for like 150 bucks. And I feel, and like when they started doing the annual pass, like monthly installments, like X number of years ago when they started doing the annual pass like monthly installments like i x number of years ago when i started doing that like it wasn't that noticeable it wasn't a ton like of monthly payments and you could get a pretty good one the charge wasn't that the charge

wasn't that big but then the passes keep going up year over year yeah and i understand part of that is because there's so many people and they want to like curb crowds but it's not it's impossible because we're all fucking maniacs that will just like just drift through a sea of thousands just to go on big thunder mountain for one one ride a night um but this chain does this dissuade you from coming no no nothing will if you made us walk through spikes to get in here we do it we need it but i've said this too with the price increases on all these things the annual pass with this parking if they were if they had the last 10 years been like every summer there was a giant new land or ride or crazy thing and then they were also like we're paying everyone

15 to work here like a living wage i would go okay i'm paying a ton and keep paying more but all the employees are making a lot of money or at least a good amount as much as in and out burger employees are making and well there's an awesome new thing every year oh yeah so like that is not happening that is not happening now it looks like we're you know we're getting star wars land we'll get this marvel thing which we're gonna talk about maybe in a second um and of course florida's building you know finally like new rides and places and they keep opening you know temporary uh warehouses with frozen sing-alongs there's been a lot of good quickly jammed together ways to get let it go in the park stuff to save every dollar so you can fight the unions on very

small cost of living increases right so so look it look we have to if we're weighing in if we're ruling uh it sucks it sucks yeah yeah the lack of free parking uh is bad i mean the excuse they're using is like oh every other resort in florida charges but it's like yeah but you're also not every other resort yeah you're at the top of the mountain come on do you guys realize that this is all this has changed in the recent past in las vegas as well that it was kind of a given that uh there was free parking for casinos and that is now gone atlantic city it kind of goes back and forth too like when stuff is slow i mean that's a lot more seasonable a seasonal that resort town like in the winter

there the parking's really low but in the summer when people like want to also go to the want to go to the casino but also want to go to the beach the like beach side casinos like really raise their ah interesting parking it is i think it's just with the Vegas thing, and I don't think I've been since they started charging for parking, but it hurts morale, definitely. You're spending a lot of money and you're aware how much money you're spending.

And it is a nice little thing, like, oh, I can pop over to Mandalay Bay or whatever and stop into the Luxor and not have to stop at that gate and yeah it's just another little little thing that makes it uh more irritating to go to these places will i stop going to vegas no no will i stop going to disney world no as long as they keep offering uh idiocy and and treats i'm i'm there and treats yeah so why wouldn't they here i'm just volunteering

myself like yeah we're all i will complain about these parking fees on a podcast for three minutes, but all right, I'm still going to go. Nothing will stop me from going. Yeah, unfortunately, that's the problem here. Yeah. Just hope they keep parking free at my apartment. As long as that doesn't change. I guess I'm paying for it on some level.

I think it's probably baked into the price already. It's just not at, like, gates there. As long as that doesn't change. I guess I'm paying for it on some level. I think it's probably baked into the price already. It's just not at like gates there. It's not showing. There's not like a little thing that you write, like a separate check you write every month. Yeah. Just for parking.

This will all change. So Michael and Michael's mother, we hope that answers your question. And what do you guys think? Michael and Michael's mother, I'm saying. They like it. Pro-capitalism. Do they like it? Maybe they would, yeah.

They were talking about this on the Disney Dish podcast. Jim and Len mentioned this pretty quickly. The one thing that they did not mention, though, is I think my dad, when we go down the floor, he likes to have the car, especially if we're going between Universal and Disney and stuff. He likes to have that option, or if we want to eat somewhere else um uh me the the the younger uh the millennial generation my solution would just be like i'm not going to have a car down there i'll just take a

lift or a mirror shuttle because mirrors just has a super shuttle and their transport companies have a monopoly in orlando um that said it's only 16 to take a super shuttle to uh universal from the airport we know these prices offhand i was there i was only there like six months ago okay that's not too long to retain we know but uh yeah take uh yeah just take a shuttle we took we figured out exactly how much the lift cost versus how much we would have paid with the budget and it isn't a ton more if you're mostly doing disney and like then because once you're on property disney then you can just do the buses you can do all the on-site which are free for now which are free for now oh very important boy until that

becomes a weird thing we're gonna start after we after, we're going to pay Disney bus fare. We're going to have like stamp cards and yell at us for not having exact change. There's going to be a fleet of autonomous cars that are like the minivan. Because now we're getting into a whole nother territory. But there's minivans, they have like lifts now that are like polka dotted that are like-

But those are super expensive, right? I would guess. I think it's a flat, what, $20? Maybe going up to $25. For wherever you go on site. Anywhere within the resort. Yeah, so it's not crazy yet. Point to point.

And they'll also drop you off right at the park entrance. They have exclusive. They can get you. They can get you real close. You don't have to lie to no contemporary gate guard. Yeah, you're also paying the premium for the decoration of the cars and stuff. Oh, yeah. You're paying a bow tax. Absolutely. the cars and stuff. Oh, yeah. You're paying a bow tax.

I would pay an extra 20 if Minnie was driving. Well, you know my history with Minnie, too, so I guess that might be... Well, sure. Yeah. You're a second family that you and Minnie have in Florida. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a transactional relationship. You cannot be getting up to anything in that.

Sorry. Mind if I sit in the front? The window goes up the divider yeah so but as we've proved in the past we could talk about transportation options uh options all the live long day evidently but in theory on some level this is a comedic entertainment podcast that's what we started out thinking it was. Yeah. But as we warned from episode one, you'll be amazed how dry we can get. That's true. Do we have dry thoughts or entertaining thoughts about the recent Marvel announcements?

I'm probably mostly dry. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Oh, good. So, yeah, they announced Marvel superheroes that are going to be land at Paris, in Hong Kong, and finally Disneyland. And Jason and I... At California Adventure.

Yeah, specifically. Replacing Bugs Land. Yes. And I think part of Hollywood Land, but they haven't really quite said that yet. Okay. But we'll see. It's opening in phases. It's in the Studios Park, right?

In Paris? Am I wrong? Yes. Yeah. And then it's in just Hong Kong Disney proper. In Tomorrowland, I believe. Because there is no second gate there. Right.

So, as Jason and I, as the podcast listeners know, are Marvel boys. We're big Marvel boys. I'm very excited. I've been waiting for this forever, for them to finally announce this, because they just built Guardians of the Galaxy, and she's been sitting awkwardly in that area over next to Bugs Land and in the middle of Hollywood Land. Yeah, I mean, we're going from old-timey Hollywood with trolleys and stuff and suddenly now

there's a bunch of gizmos, a big inventor's lab. Tannelier Tavon Collector's Fortress has just appeared. And then right next to a bunch of rides that look like ladybugs and grasshoppers doesn't make any sense oh infuriating yeah certainly deeply distracts from me drinking

two glasses of wine and walking around and then going uh-huh yeah um did we talk to on the podcast about what that when we ran into that woman who's so we have not curious about uh like seemingly drunk i think she was drunk yeah so we were it was probably like a year ago so they were building they were changing over i don't think jason no jason was not there uh it was just you and i think it was lindsay and i yeah yeah our significant others were somewhere else probably getting lost getting a nice break can we just go they didn't speak to each other can we just go be quiet somewhere for a little bit? They sat in silence. They were talking about the prices of super shuttles,

and I just, they hugged out of consolation, and then came back. The crisis shelter. It's been 35 minutes. I guess we must return. So this was someone very upset about Guardians. So the construction was still, yeah. We were free to go meet some ladies in their absence,

and boy, did we. We walked up because I said, I want to look at the building. Because the building had... They were changing the Tower of Terror and the Guardians. And it was like they had taken the blanket off the top of it. They'd taken the... Whatever you call it. The scrim though.

Yeah. So I was just staring at this crazy thing. Which I like the look of it, even though it's insane looking. And this woman pushing a stroller? Am I wrong or no? She was with her daughter. With a daughter. Maybe not pushing a stroller.

That is a common sight in California Adventure. Someone pushing a stroller with a jug of wine. Or like a tower of beer. A hammered woman pushing a baby in a stroller. And men. Oh, yeah, that's true. Sure. Everyone can be drunk.

Hammered out Orange County citizens true sure everyone can be drunk hammered out orange county citizens all parents can be drunk uh and we were both like staring at it and she just like comes right up to us and is just like ranting just straight to like oh oh i can you even can you i oh i can't look i can you i can't i can you i cannot uh-huh and her daughter was like trying to get her away from us i remember like she was so embarrassed and we were like yeah i don't know hopefully it's good or whatever we're trying to cheer her up we're trying yeah like you know it's okay there's still one in florida that's better you know doing all the talking points all the tony beckter talking points uh and uh like i feel my memory of it was that for five minutes

she would not leave i think she left and came back even yeah it was around two she had like she was like and another thing and they they're gonna do this in the middle this is hollywood land and she had another thing and then i'm trying to remember she she she was clearly somebody who hated any kind of change because i think she was cranky about a different ride. I think she said, if they do anything to Monsters, Inc., which is a ride that everyone is fine with, it was formerly Superstar Limo.

It's like off in a corner. You forget about it entirely. It was already like a quick beer fill-in, this bad. So you're experiencing this, and your reactions are, I wish Spider-Man would swing in and rescue me. Yes.

Oh, yeah. Thanks, buddy. He shoots the web at her mouth and she can't talk. What? He does that all the time. He does it to villains. Yeah. That's a joke.

It's not going to. That's a joke in every Spider-Man movie. Yeah, he does it to men and women. There's nothing bad about that. And then he shoots her feet and she gets pulled, and she's just hanging there for a while. He's like, we'll let the cops deal with her. Hey, whenever there's theme park nerds who are frustrated with a different type of theme park nerd who doesn't share their precise opinion, I'm there.

And he shoots a glass of wine into Scott's hand with a webbing. Thanks, Spidey. No problem. Swings off into the night screaming about Uncle Ben. He'll hurry it over. Will the Spider-Man walk around in the new Marvel lands, just have breakdowns about Uncle Ben every now and then? I think he'll tell...

You can trigger him if you know the secret word. Like when you could tell The Toy Story toys Andy's coming And they would fall On the ground You know what I'm talking about Yeah

But this was this true ever That's kind of Well there's pictures of them On the ground I've seen pictures of them I think it happened Like once or twice And then it became

Urban Legends status That was just heat exhaustion Right Yeah They were very sick Someone should have helped them It was a 12 hour shift They made $6 an hour.

So people, what were we saying? There's people who are mad about... Like Heimlich's choo-choo train going away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we'll do proper eulogies for all of these attractions and have Mitch on to mourn them, I bet. Yeah, Mitch loves Heimlich's choo-choo train. So they released these posters,

these little pieces of like i guess concept art or what the land will look like um and does everybody i'm not sure if everyone listening knows what they are exactly or what what the the extent of the marvel area is going to be right i mean we know that there's i don't want to interrupt your flow but we know we know there's an we know there's an flow, but we know there's an Avengers attraction. We know there's a Spider-Man attraction. Probably. Probably.

They haven't officially announced those. We know there's like- We know that's from the rumor blogs. We know there's an Ant-Man movie thing going into Paris. We don't know if it's coming to Disneyland. Oh, that's officially announced. That's correct, yeah. And it looks like people have in the concept art like guns and they can shoot at the- Paris or Hong Kong?

I don't remember. I think that's going to Hong Kong. I think there's an Ant-Man. So we're not sure. I'm not sure. So they already have a... We're researched. Don't be mad at us.

They already have a Hong Kong Iron Man ride, which is just Star Tours with Iron Man. So I think maybe that gets cloned somewhere. But they haven't fully announced the whole roster of what's coming. Yeah, the rumor out here is there might be a Spider-Man ride, possibly a big Avengers coaster. Hopefully, yeah. hopefully many rides um but they've just for this particular announcement they just really released these three images um and we'll post these on here and on each on the bottom of each poster before we get into ride speculation uh on the bottom of each poster

there's a phrase that they they use and there's a kid in front of every like there's a bunch of kids on the posters and it says recruitment begins yeah which is i i mean i get it they're going for like you little kid you could be recruited to join the avengers but what i think it may seems to mean is like hey join the military yeah and this is this is a thing that i've had like uh uh been thinking about a lot lately as like infinity war comes out soon or depending on when this is released comes out immediately um uh uh that first wave of marvel films where like shield is in every other scene are so like military there's a lot of military stuff and uh folks if you don't know uh how hollywood works um the u.s military spends a lot of money and resources uh

lending out like equipment and locations so you're going the whole way and saying the u.s military is funding the marvel lands around the world no not funding but like if you have a military angle in your movie and uh right right right and it and you make the military look good uh they'll give you a lot of material support uh i hear i hear what you're saying yeah i get it like if i make a movie will they they might yeah depending uh i mean if someone salutes a flag in your movie or like someone picks up a bruised flag and raises like the uh end of um san andreas as they're raising a flag over a destroyed i think uh golden gate bridge flags are shown respect if craig healy goes into the military i think you could get some money. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Couplicated season two gets a $100 million budget. Hey, check out my thing, Couplicated, on viewboo.com.

Or not my thing. I have nothing to do with it. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry. V-I-O-O-B-U.com. I'm just a fan. So. But, yeah, a lot of this in the movies, and it kind of goes back and forth in the comics.

Yeah. Like, after 9-11, a lot of this in the movies, and it kind of goes back and forth in the comics. Like, after 9-11, a lot of military stuff in the comics. After Watergate, less rah-rah USA stuff in the comics. And the Avengers, alternately, are like, work for the American government, work for the United Nations, are just kind of on their own. It is, like, and I'm not even trying to even trying to make a point or anything about the military. I just think it's interesting that if you look at the pictures here and it's like a big Avengers logo and S.H.I.E.L.D. and it very much, to me, other than maybe this picture

in the back of the Guardians thing, it looks very cold and industrial. Like, hey, kids, don't you want to live in your favorite Marvel comic? Like, yeah. Well, what do you want to do? Do you want to go look at S.H.I.E.L.D. headquarters and look at sonar? What do you want to do? That's like one of the last things that I want to do.

I want to go have lunch with Jarvis at Avengers Mansion. I want to dine with Doctor Strange in a different dimension. And it's like but instead or you could ride with one of the Avengers in the brand new Chevy Volt the brand new 2019 Chevy Volt in that one like a one scene you know your one scene from the movie yes we all remember the one scene with the Chevy Volt I mean they gotta pick a vehicle so they gotta pick a vehicle yeah that's also that's a different kind of material support is like, I forget which one. One of the Captain Americas, I was like, did Mercedes-Benz pay for this movie?

Because there were so many shots of like the military, like SUVs pulling up in front of the camera. Well, SUVs, so we were down there last year at Disneyland was the Summer of Heroes. The great Summer of Heroes when they were opening the Guardians ride. And the Guardians ride, which we both, we all like, you like in theory, you have not been on it yet. Oh, from the videos I've watched, it seems like a lot of fun. From the video, you think it seems like fun? The songs, you like those songs?

Sure. And Jason and I have been on it and like it. Everything else at the Summer of Heroes, a bit of a dud, a little weird. Yeah. Had a lot of the trademarks of superheroes in theme parks which is like guitar heavy rock music and also atv vehicles like superheroes on they would do a ceremony where the where black widow would come out like once once an hour and all of a sudden it would be this like crazy like intense and then like on a like an suv black widow like sternly standing would drive down

the street in this armored vehicle and you're like jesus christ this isn't fun like what kid is like ah like oh great yeah scarlet scarlet witch black widow was coming uh to kill us that's a different character oh okay you didn't get confused no no no scarlet is in uh that is probably what my brain was doing but scarlet witch is a different character elizabeth olsen in the in the movies i see this is where i'm just going radio silent for all these marvel things i don't know whatever the rides are i'll show up i'll go on them i'm not gonna understand them like that like that transformers ride which i will never like if i if i studied if i had to take a test about that ride i would i'd get 10 but you know what you go on and it shakes you around i'm fine i don't know

whatever look do you know the name of the vehicle you sit in on the transformer ride uh come on vehicle's not the all spark no the all spark the vehicle's a come on the vehicle is a name yeah hell yeah jason knows the name i Yeah, of course I know the name. Hell yeah, Jason knows the name. I'm going to know it once you say it. But they keep referring to you as a character. You are a character. It's not Mudflap or Skids.

No. What accent does my vehicle speak? What stereotype is it? He's a pizza chef. He's an Italian pizza chef. Yeah, the vehicle, an original creation for the ride named Evac. Evac. Evac.

Okay. That doesn't sound familiar to you? No, it doesn't. That's how much my brain does not retain any information about that ride. Evac talks a lot to the general played by that great character actor whose name escapes me right now. We don't know the actor's name, but we know Evac's name. Yeah.

That's important. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited to see what all this Marvel stuff is. In addition to being Marvel boys, Mike and I are the exact right age to be like X-Men boys, like X-Men fans. Sure. Like we grew up in the 90s with the cartoon show with the arcade cabinet the height of like marvel trading cards too and uh hopefully with this 21st century fox deal there's a little bit of x-men rehab because they're kind of like sure all over the map the

movies and tv shows and stuff i just think we're gonna have to wait're going to have to wait. Yeah, but like... We're going to have to wait for Third Park in 2031 to get our Danger Room ride. There's like a dozen X-Men rides that would be great. Fighting the Sentinels in the Danger Broom in the Xavier School. I know, we know. That's what we want. I just think, if I was putting together the whole thing,

I would have been... There is a picture if you can see. There is Doctor Strange's, of course, his trademark home scott of course knows it uh-huh the sanctum sanctorum yeah yeah yeah yeah i said exactly what you said yeah there is a little picture of it but like if it was like him and like he was like on a giant dragon and he was like come on in or something like that to me is like fun let's do it uh versus these posters that are very a little cold for me a little uh a little uh yeah without have i officially said on the podcast also that not all i just i don't see any of these

i'm skipping the entire genre you've never seen one you've seen a couple i saw iron man one and avengers and i found avengers so insufferably boring and confusing and why are there five acts in this movie and i'm skipping all i and just sheer money i've saved economics to not because i feel like people joylessly go see i mean you love some of them you know some of them you go see opening night as expensive as it can be in the highest quality it can be exactly pay a utility IMAX. Exactly. You essentially pay a utility bill to go up and see these. And then don't have a good time. Well, I always have a good time. Look, you got a Margaritaville, you have one of the hot, hot, hot margaritas there.

Or you do what I do, which I've done with you guys, which is do that part and then leave. That's the best thing that could ever occur. I think, though, I would pass a lie detector like, did you have a good time? And I would have passed it every time. Really? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I have a lot of fun, and we usually get a big group together, and that's fun, and it becomes a thing.

And even in, like, the worst of the movies, you know, the third act starts, and, you know, Thor's hitting somebody with a hammer, and I'm like, oh, that's pretty good. Maybe there's some story problems, but whatever. Sure. pretty good maybe there's some story problems but whatever sure now that being said but the opinion that i stick to is that the rides i'm all for you i don't want to see any of these movies i want every ride there could possibly be yes yeah i think i mean we're all on the same page i think like if it's a property and it has a lot of money that's great that's all we really care about it could be a show we've never heard of or seen uh And as long as they're going to put a lot of money and thought into it, great.

We'll be happy to go on it. And we'll become fans. Yeah. You know, like Avatar. Yeah. Yeah, sure. We made it work. Yeah.

We forced ourselves. You rode the mighty Akron. I love the mighty Akron. So, yeah. So, Marvel, we're excited. It's coming in 2020, but it says, like, opening in phases, which has me worried that we're not getting any new rides for a while. Yeah, maybe not.

Opening in phases. Nothing happening in tomorrow. It's like, well, you know, you're not going to get a new ride, but if you want to wait in a long line to put your name down to be recruited, you can. Yeah. Who here likes limited run food options who here likes what do we have a cinnamon roll that looked like the incredible hulk we split some crazy donut once oh yeah we

ate an incredible hulk in america uh apple pie donut oh i think that's right yeah yeah well we waited four hours for the guardians ride a A Rice Krispie Square with frosting that looks like the Iron Man mask that is not related to the Krispie Square at all and, in fact, just breaks off with the first bite, shatters, falls to the floor. We're going to have a lot of fondant-based experiences until the attractions actually open. Wait, what?

What's fondant? What's fondant? Fondant is the stuff they use on like the crazy cake shows fondant it's like sugar stuff that you can mold oh i love that sometimes doesn't have any flavor like it's sometimes just very sugary and it's more for the decoration yes an artistic implement that is technically edible but also probably chalky and Not great yeah I always get rainbow Sprinkles and I think it's just because It's visual like there's not individual

Flavors on those rainbow sprinkles it's Fooling me yeah oh but you Feel mentally like you can taste The difference between a red and blue sprinkle Uh I don't even think I can I just Think that the aesthetically when I'm looking at it It pleases me so much that I have to Get them rainbow like if it's sometimes they'll do like a limited edition like it'll just be like christmas

like red and green sprinkles i don't quite enjoy the cone as much unless i have thank you well i find mike's uh sometimes mike's energy about rainbow sprinkles is infectious and i'm like yeah he's right for all the talk about me being like the treat king of the podcast. I have a couple treat indulgences. It's the candy at the movie theater and it's rainbow sprinkles. I don't know why. Although I'll tell you this, a two-colored rainbow sprinkle approach that I like is Halloween when they have purple and orange, my two favorite colors. That's a hell of a combination.

As long as it's colors you like. I guess that's right. Yes. But you don't care for red and green. Yeah, it doesn't do much for me. Yeah. They're very stuffy colors, you know? Stodgy.

They're my parents' colors. Purple and orange. Now, those are fun. Those are exciting. I wanted to paint my room those colors when I was a child. Did you? No, I wasn't. You just moved.

You could do it today. I could do it today i could do it today live it up i'm not going to though yeah uh yeah actually that's not a good yeah uh that wouldn't be a good vibe for a room but to eat it and it's gone immediately hey i've got an idea you're gonna you know in the meantime before the rides are open we're sending these characters around uh-huh why not i i want them to I want their costumes and uniforms to be made of fondant so I can walk up to Captain America or Thor and take a bite out of his helmet. They're a walking treat delivery mechanism. I would like,

yeah, I'd like to take a bite out of Agent Coulson's suit. Yeah. Clark Gregg's famous shield character's suit. That's an interesting point. Will there be S.H.I.E.L.D. face characters in this land, which is just people

in suits and aviator glasses? I think they will be. I think they'll be escorting the superheroes around. They're secret shoppers. They're like actual armed security guards in the park. Oh, sure. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, the secret police are S.H.I.E.L.D. agents.

So, in California Adventure, there is no Disney jail. It's S.H.I.E.L.D. You'll secret police are S.H.I.E.L.D. agents. So, in California Adventure, there is no Disney jail. It's S.H.I.E.L.D. You'll get thrown in a S.H.I.E.L.D. jail cell. What's the prison out in the ocean? The Triskelion? The Triskelion. No, wait. No.

No, no. That's the S.H.I.E.L.D. headquarters. Jason, come on. Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's S.H.I.E.L.D. headquarters. Get with it. Snap to it. It's called like-

It was in Civil War. The Cube or something or like the- Let me Google jail from civil war it does come up a lot of the vault no what is it it's like something like the vault or something it's something lame i feel like wow look what i'm missing out on it's the raft the raft it's the jail where they they put super villains uh in like the middle of the ocean so if they get out there's just water everywhere so they can't get away so you get to go there now if you dump a soda on daisy or something yeah yeah you get thrown in the raft which is in the middle of uh the the uh well they move that to the paradise pier yes that's what i

was going for thank you this i like oh yeah yeah big scary lake jail yeah oh all right yeah lake jail ride would be fun yeah or or real just a Somewhere where you go in there where you got to get somebody out or something. That's what Mission Breakout is. We got to bust somebody. We got to bust Agent Kobe Smulders out. What's her name? I can't think of her character name either. I'm losing my mind.

Maria. Maria Hill. Maria Hill. We got to bust Maria Hill out of here, guys. We know all of these actual answers, but we like audience participation. We like the listener to be shouting the answer to us. We're like leaving a space, like we leave a space for a laugh or something. Right, right.

Of course we know all these things, but yell the answers, and then we'll say them right when you get it. It's Friday morning in the car, and someone's screaming, Maria Hill. Yeah. I swear to god i will unsubscribe one of these days damn it uh but you won't you'll keep coming back just like all these just like us disneyland people paying for parking yeah please all right well you want to talk about here's the here's the segue this is amazing this is the latest big uh marvel is the latest big

expansion coming to disneyland but the what i would say is the first major multi-attraction expansion i would agree with parks history 1959 we get the submarine voyage we get the monorail and we get the matterhorn bobsleds right three e-tickets at once yeah i believe or necessitated the terminology is that yeah uh like they there was the terminology e-ticket. Like there was not an e-ticket up until that point. And then they retroactively converted things to be existing rides to become e-tickets. But yeah, they invented a category. An original bleeding people dry move to convert older rides to e-tickets.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, this was a big deal, and I realized this is the oldest attraction that we've talked about so far, because we have not done any opening day 1955 attractions. I feel like we are so 80s, 90s skewing to where it's like, yeah, skip Mr. Toad, skip the castle, skip... Where there are lasers in it. Yeah, yeah, skip Mr. Toad, skip the castle, skip... Where are their lasers in it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, where is there an... Is there an embarrassing use of a band or an actor? Uh-huh. Yeah, we're getting to food rocks so far ahead of Snow White's Scary Adventures. Sure. It shows where our leanings are.

But hey, the matterhorn is a classic that has yeah uh survived since the uh yeah it's i feel like one of the one of the primary parts of the disneyland experience sure striking uh visual when you come down to main down main street you see a castle straight ahead of you you see this swiss mountain uh to the right uh and exclusive to disneyland they never built the matterhorn anywhere else expedition ever is kind of a You see this Swiss mountain to the right, and exclusive to Disneyland. They never built the Matterhorn anywhere else. Expedition Everest, kind of a spiritual sequel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matterhorn 5. But now there were attempts, because there was always talk of it going into a Swiss pavilion at World Showcase. Yes. Yes. And talk also of a similar idea, but not exactly the same of mount fuji in japan um with a japanese bullet train kind of coaster yes right oh would it have been a uh i don't know much more about i think theme to like because train travel is such an important part of modern japanese culture it goes awry so constantly. It's so not trustworthy.

Well, I don't know that they would let that happen. Yeah, yeah. But there was going to be, it was going to be sponsored by Fujifilm, but there was already a competing contract with Kodak in our beloved Journey Into Imagination. So it couldn't be two types of film. Thus, Mount Fuji fell apart. I also saw a rumor, I don't know how trustworthy it is, journey into imagination so yes yeah so it couldn't be two types of film thus mount fuji

fell apart uh i i also saw a rumor i don't know how trustworthy it is that they wanted to try to do this at uh disney mgm studios and that it would it would be justified as a film set oh really best way to water down and ruin any uh fun attraction uh um i yeah i don't know i saw that that was not super sourced but right saw it as a rumor so you want to talk 80s 90s stuff blank is a film set is like the ultimate justification or ultimate backstory the vast majority of rides built in the 80s and et of course the first incarnation was you're on the set of et2 yes which they bailed on. Right, because it is a bad, it's bad. People want to be there, they don't want to be acting. They want to live it.

This idea that, well, I think this also has gone away with time, that like, what if you could be the star of a movie and we can all do this at home all the time. The idea of like green screen being explained to us, I feel like children just instinctually understand how keying works so they can start making videos at age eight at this point. I mean, that's something I ran into with the original Fantasyland rides is like, oh, you're going to see everything from the lead character's perspective. And then everyone's like, we want to see the lead characters in these rides.

We want to see Peter Pan. We want to see Snow White. Yeah. So like that fixes would be made over time. That's a pretty correct uh instinct i think and uh although there seems to be disagreement in general about if is the little mermaid ride good or not but i think it's pretty exciting when you turn the corner and there's ariel and then the second appearance of ariel in the under the sea set like those are and they're all good

animatronics i feel and um yeah i'm glad they started putting characters in yeah yeah yeah because i mean toad is awesome but like yeah you're not there's not a i'd like to see toad in tow that's true i don't know toad well enough to be toad yeah you you are toad or you're riding with toad you are toad just as exciting as get recruited uh put those twitter claps in between those words you are so um so also the first mountain hey good point the first disney mountain which of course they would go on to brand mountains uh i guess everest then broke from that tradition of there was space mountain this Big Thunder Mountain Railroad and the other one that I'm forgetting There's one more right?

Space Mountain? Space Splash Big Thunder Oh Splash Mountain Geez I'm losing my mind today It was Wrestlemania yesterday Oh yeah yeah You're still reeling from it So this was the original mountain but not called

Matterhorn Bobsled Mountain, but it's the first mountain. The first part of the Disneyland mountain range. I remember thinking that was cool as a kid, that there's multiple mountains. Which I guess, is anything, there is kind of like a big rocky peak in Star Wars Galaxy's Edge,

but is that, this is not, I consider it a part of the mountain range, but is there a specific name to that thing? We don't know yet. What's the Batuu... What is Batuu's mountain range name? Is it just the Batuu Mountains, or is it like a... What do they call mountains on Batuu?

Glipglorp. I don't know. Glipglorp? Probably Glipglorp. I know how Star Wars names work there. I to shit one out you might know what oh yeah this is the first podcast in the wake of the announcement of therm scissor punch yes i'd say we're in a post scissor punch era at after therm yeah uh what is uh what what is therm uh what character is therm scissor punch i don't know actually right he's a crab man? I don't know, actually.

Kind of like a crab-looking man. He's a crab man, but I don't know that he's going to be any more important than Constable Zuvio, who was a character announced for Force Awakens and then was not in the movie, but he had a toy. And everybody was having... I mean, I had Constable Zuvio fever before the movie came out, and then he wasn't in it, which was very disappointing. Yeah.

It was a very funny name. We spent a lot of money on healthcare, because before movies come out, we have all these fevers. I mean, we got Thanos fever right now. Uh-huh, that's true. Got Fallen Kingdom fever. I can feel it in my veins. It's already out as we listen, but I haven't gotten to see it and recover from blocker fever. Sure.

Yeah. That's my own fault, though. I could have gotten checked out for that the last three days since Friday night, but I haven't done it. And, of course, we've said in another podcast, Jason always catches bicentennial fever. Uh-huh. Is that after Bicentennial Man? You've never been cured. You always want more viewings of Bicentennial Man? You've never been cured. You always want more viewings of Bicentennial Man.

I wanted a sequel. No, I think you were fond of the... You've stated you were fond of the 1976. Yeah. Oh, yeah, 1776. The thing on the American Adventure. I think that joke was from the American Adventure. I'm calling back here.

I'm doing my best. If you're a listener for a while and you a and you like that joke let me know on twitter is it a funny uh stereotype about jason that he loves the bicentennial is this something to continue ripping him similar to how we have nostalgia now for uh the hard rock park which we've never been to i have nostalgia for the bicentennial which i was was born nine years after. I believe, actually, I made that comment now that I think about it on the Splash Mountain episode. You know, it's hard to remember exactly. After you've been talking for hours,

after you've recorded hours and hours, it's hard to remember. I don't remember a single thing in any of these, and I just hope I don't insult personal friends or entire swaths of people. I just hope I don't insult personal friends or entire swaths of people. I just hope I'm not being a defense. I guess I have. I do apologize to Nick Weiger in person.

Oh, right. I did do a brief Weiger voice. I implied that he liked a bird show. And I said, oh, you know, like I was talking to him about it. And I was like, ah, you know, we just did a voice. I'm sorry, man. He's like, oh, it's so. I won't do the voice here i'm gonna do oh do the voice no no no i'm gonna say this is how he said he said well no no everything's fine he said i'm just upset that

you didn't like the bird show at medieval times our joke about him was proven correct that he did like the bird he really yeah he was he said he was just thrown off because he was upset that i i shit on the bird part of the medieval time Times show where they send a bird around the arena. So to track everybody's stereotypes within the world of this, Nick Weiger, friend of the pod, loves birds and bird shows. Jason loves the Bicentennial.

The thing that I have a lot of fondness for that I didn't get to experience is the 1984 Olympics. I was born right after that. It's a thing that gives me a lot of pride in Los Angeles. I feel like the vibe must have been really cool in L.A. And as exemplified by the music video, I Love L.A. by Randy Newman, in which the Matterhorn factors.

When he sings the lyric, look at those mountains, look at those trees, it cuts to the Matterhorn. And that whole video for me, it's that 80s vibe, it's that post, it's that Olympics era, LA pride. I don't know, I feel like things are on the move, on the grow, and you got Disneyland in there too. Yeah. Yeah. It's great.

And it made me feel, when it cuts to that in the video, it makes me feel the way I felt as a kid going to Disneyland and seeing it on the freeway, on the way,

it's like the thing that lets you know you're there. The first landmark, I guess, at Disneyland, you could see from the five freeway

and the excitement you get like, oh, yes, this means we're here. There's the Matterhorn. Right. I think the monorail goes by it in the video too yes i think it's like so you get both for your money there and those things those little moments are very exciting the matterhorn uh uh

you know like for all so many types of transportation go by the matterhorn you've got the you've got the monorail right there the alice ride is going back and forth like the outdoor section of the alice ride and you used and forth like the outdoor section of the alice ride and you used to have the skyway going right through it when it yeah that looked so cool like i wish i could have ridden that i mean i rode the skyway a lot in florida and i loved it as it was a form of transportation i loved it i rode it in florida and i was scared shitless i felt i was gonna slide out and fall that's a very apparent like reading about the matterhorn and like i started reading about the matterhorn and then uh went

down a rabbit hole reading about the skyway and accidentally started taking notes on the skyway and i went oh no we're doing a matterhorn episode i don't need this oh you had too much skyway i was like reading about the skyway because that had some... Both of the... The Skyway, I feel like people are like, well, they shut that down because people died. No, they shut that down for financial costs and some dipshit jumped out of it

and tried to act like he fell out of it and the case was dismissed. The Matterhorn, someone has died on. The Matterhorn was the cause of the first death in Disneyland in 1968 number one I'm not sure what the tally is at this point is it like uh whenever uh Snopes last weighed in on this subject it was nine and two of those were the Matterhorn I think that's right and like a lot of the earlier ones or and even one or two of the later ones resulted

in like um uh oh sorry uh 1964 was the accident that caused disney's first fatality in 1984 someone was what is the word decapitated what's the word what's that word and your head falls off so yeah uh both of which the story in both of them involves a lack of seat belts seat belts which you just hope is true and not something like like when the accident happened then some enter some disney employee just like yeah reach down kind of like undid the thing oh see no see, no seatbelt, no seatbelt. I mean, there was someone killed on the people, but there's a few of the deaths where like teen hops out and started doing a goof and then lost their life,

which is incredibly morbid. And this also- I think that, oh, sorry. Oh, I was going to say this touches on, I think recently we have been talking about like some of the like lazy urban legends around Disney park stuff. And one of the most nails on the chalkboard for me is the one about, well, you know, no one dies on the property. They always fake it off proper.

They move the body. And it's like, come on. That takes 30 seconds on Snopes to find if that is true or not. And very quickly, it's like, no, that's not true. Also, there's usually a lot of witnesses. I don't know. When I did the Universal tour, I was stuck outside of Earthquake for an hour because there was a tram right in front of us that got stopped. And we couldn't figure out for like half an hour what was going on.

And then paramedics showed up. And it turned out a guy had a heart attack during the earthquake attraction and we found out the next day that he died but he died not on the site and i always i don't want to go accusing my past employer here we go perhaps future employer uh but it's it certainly seemed a little odd to me that's that is i guess so maybe it was legitimately true but yeah health and safety like lockdown get the paramedics in so like jason is really you're so in the line i don't know i i just think it's like uh uh people use it as like really lazy like party small talk well if you're saying yeah hey look they're trying unlike they're at a party with you they know you like disney they're trying to come up with something to tell you

they're trying to impress you man they don't all know not like our listeners they don't know about parking fees and uh this you know the genuine stuff they shouldn't uh but yeah um a lot i guess a lot of the uh of the deaths uh are like somebody was horsing around or something and an accident happened. I will say that I believe someone was jumping from people mover to people mover and then accident happened once. But I was speaking with Bug Main about this. Friend of the pod? The entity known as Bug Main. Yeah.

He said he used to do that. What? That was a thing he used to do was jump from people mover to people mover while it was moving. Well, he's the ultimate bad boy. But that's, yes.

We're the ultimate good boys. I can't figure out how that would work in Cali. Well, in Florida, the cars are open. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think in Florida, he's from...

That makes a little more sense. I shouldn't reveal his location, I guess, but we revealed where he lived a couple of times ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was literally, someone that was noted on Reddit somewhere.

They just revealed Bug's location. Sorry. Shield has found Bug. Agent Coulson is going to Bug Mane's whereabouts. An urban legend, a thing about this ride that I was able to find was that the story behind it goes that Walt Disney was in Switzerland because they were filming a movie called Third Man on the Mountain, which I can only assume is one of those very dry live action movies they used to be so fond of making. They wish it was an Apple Dumpling Gang.

Yeah, exactly. Didn't ascend to the heights of Condor Man. And he really liked the Matterhorn, and he sent a postcard of it to Imagineer... Vic Green. Vic Green, and said, Vic, build this, Walt. Which, to me, if I was working at Imagineering, that I would be worried about setting a precedent

when I heard, like, oh, Walt's going out of town. It's like, oh, Jesus, where's he gonna go this time? Anytime he sees a thing, he just is like, build it. He sees a thing, it's like, oh, God's going out of town. It's like, oh, Jesus, where's he going to go this time? Anytime he sees a thing, he just builds it. It's like, oh, God, he's gone to the Grand Canyon. Oh, geez, we're going to have to figure out how to make the Grand. Shit. Walt's going to the Coliseum.

Yeah, Walt's. Can't he go somewhere easier? Antarctica. We have to build actual melting ice caps now. Real polar bears to live on. Waltalt is in the sphinx again um yeah so that's pretty impressive that they yeah sorted it out and apparently the history or the the story of putting this together was full of moments of this is physically impossible what you're asking for waltz and he said figure it out and they did um yeah uh i guess when you this this

i don't know when you think about this being from 1959 um a pretty pretty impressive attraction for that time first in its theming and its construction first steel coaster is that right yeah uh there's some qualifier yeah yeah um they uh uh of course the themed like it was kind of it it added more theming in the 70s the themed caves and the abominable snowman were added in the 70s and then sort of plussed up again in the 90s it's yeah it seems like it was pretty spare initially i I couldn't find it. There's no video of it, right? I didn't find it. I didn't see any. Well, there's one video you can watch in which Walt Disney

accompanies the Shah of Iran. Oh, yeah, the Shah of Iran visit at the park. As the video itself says, the narration, and I quote, here is the Shah of Iran and his pretty empress in the front seat. That's Walt, says that?

I don't know who said that. I think it's another narrator. It's a minute. I found the video, right? Because the next line is, And Walt Disney and the pretty hostess in the back. So it's four people. It was the old smaller car because they went from four to eight.

And the group of four is Disney and a hostess and the Shah of iran and his wife and this is where the the and i wrote this this is where the original where you would have to have a person on your lap essentially while you were riding yes uh uh similar to uh the the track layout for this by the way was used in space mountain in florida it's the same layout? It's the same sort of, it's the same kind of toboggan track. But it's not the same track layout, right? Yeah, sorry. I don't think the layout's the same,

but the same sort of toboggan style track. The Space Mountain in Anaheim is a different coaster entirely. And this is a big thing for me about the Matterhorn and Space Mountain in Florida. They're rough. That toboggan track is not aged well.

There's big old clunks that hurt your back a good deal. Yeah. Yeah. It depends. There's a couple of sudden drops on it, and you can get rocked. And they've done a little work to the track in the last few years, and it didn't help that much. Not a ton. There's still ones that much it didn't like not a ton

there's still ones that are it's not like a thrilling drop it's a perfunctory little one like this is the noise yeah yes yeah no one would like squeal from delight about it it's pure yes ouch it's like because i was on space mountain florida and it does it the cars both both on space mountain florida and on Matterhorn also really feel like you're exposed a little more than the Space Mountain in Disneyland uh you feel really taken care of there's a lot of space on the sides you got a lot of room on that seat compared to other things it's a bigger car the you kind of feel rushing at you the wind like air conditioning shot at you to make you feel like you're going faster i feel

comforting and well you just like you were talking about uh i guess this might come up before but you were talking about not liking wild mouse coasters and this is more in the vein of what i think sort of inspired by wild mouse yes yes which are just kind of more clunky or messy feels like they could fall apart yeah it seems like like more low rent and janky. It feels like you're just sitting in a little tiny chair. It doesn't feel, it feels like your whole body is exposed, whereas on Space Mountain of Disneyland, it feels like you're sitting in a proper little car.

This just feels like you're kind of sitting on a little sheet of metal, and that's it. There's nothing on the sides. It feels like your body is, that's why it feels like your body can just fly out at any moment yeah and it was closed for six months in 2015 to like you know gussy up some projection effects inside and put in a new abominable snowman and i thought like oh it's gonna come back it's gonna be a real smooth ride and i'm like i think it got worse i think it got rougher or maybe i'm just getting older when i was a kid i loved like the shaky roller coaster i was i i i didn't care i didn't care if it was rough i i think because

shake my spine please yeah i think the the coasters i a lot of the coasters i went on when i was young were like wooden coasters and some of them very old like I was terrified of going upside down but I would ride the shakiest wooden coasters like again and again which I wouldn't describe my response to those things now as being afraid of them like I'm not afraid of them okay okay all right calm down calm down don't suggest that with your eyes fair enough um no I don't yeah there are a lot of lot of rides you feel like you want to avoid just because it'll be literally unpleasant and not, like, the experience of it

is not fun enough to counteract. Although, I will say, I will still do the Matterhorn, and I think the plus-ups that they did a couple years ago

got it back in my rotation of I will tend to do it when I go to D.S. I really like it, but I know I'm going to need a minute or two after I get off. It is one of the only rides at both parks where if,

well, I'm about to say this now. I think it's not true. I was going to say that the guy could go, hey, you want to go on it again? And I go, I'm going to need five minutes before I got to get out and get back on. That being said, I feel like even if my spine was rocked and a man made an offer to go on another ride without waiting in line,

I'd go, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So never mind. Maybe that's wrong. But it is. Yeah, in the moment. It does feel like one ride is enough. I don't need to go on this twice.

I see what you're saying. I need a little, as Jason said, recovery. We don't go on it a lot because Lindsay hates it because of how hard it is on her spine yes a valid reason and it was even weirder i feel like when they had the old cars because you'd have to sit with someone in your lap i mean you don't have to but if you had a significant other uh maybe from a different relationship that had to sit in your like it was weird like you you felt like you like it's very intimate.

They were just hitting into you. Yes, very intimate. Yeah. I have a story about the lap seating, which is that I went to Disneyland in high school with my then-girlfriend, my high school girlfriend, and her mother, who was very, very overprotective, perhaps psychotically so like just a degree that was that was very crazy and and context i don't know if this is important but it was a long distance

relationship so we would only get like little stints of time together always under very close supervision of this mother and uh know but Disneyland's a fun place to go because you got little like little quiet parts where you could sneak a little make out in you know the haunted mansion that's those cars almost have sides and it's dark

and at some point the you know like I think I remember we got on the haunted mansion we kind of like dashed forward so we'd have some distance from her mom which but then you gotta think this is where it was helpful for me to know all the stuff so well because i was like okay we have to stop this uh this slight makeout during madam leota because because you see everyone else yes yeah yeah yeah so and the lighting's pretty decent in there so you, we had to save it up for the big, you know, the big makeout moments, like when you're going down the hill into the graveyard.

Oh, yeah. So this is where it's practical and beneficial to know. Oh, these are good tips. I'm surprised you waited this long on the podcast to give us these great makeout tips at Disney. Hey, yeah. Yeah. Any enterprising youngsters.

Yeah. Let me tell you, I've made out in all the great places at Disneyland. The Haunted Mansion, the end. I think there is no other place, actually. Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, you don't have that car privacy. I guess maybe now Little Mermaid. Omni movers are make-out spots.

Zephyr, not happening. No, no, no. And the swings, you not happening. No, no, no. And the swings you can't. No. Your partner's too far away from you. That feels very wholesome. If you got a private Ferris wheel car, that's a make out spot.

Especially a wobbly one. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, because maybe she like she falls into your arms in a playful fashion. You gotta be careful. You could chip a tooth or something, too, if that car is too swinging. Hey, exercise caution, too, guys. Hey, make out safe out there.

Anyway, it did certainly occur to me, oh, this is a, hey, the Matterhorn is a spot where you got that lap seating. Maybe on that lift hill, I do what? I don't know. Oh, my, yeah know yeah hug her uh i don't know what the plan was exactly right and so this was in the back of my head however we're in the matterhorn line and uh she and i are talking and uh just started laughing about something unrelated and then the mom there there'd been this tension for the entire visit probably knowing we're sneaking

out sneaking these haunted mansion makeouts in there'd been this this for the entire visit, probably knowing we're sneaking out, sneaking these haunted mansion make-outs in. There'd been this tension. And then she says, and I'll go a little close, Mike, and just be at the clip that she was at, which is she just not looking at us, staring at the ground. Her mother says, I know what you two are laughing about. You're looking forward to being in each other's laps. Well, let me tell you something.

I've got news for you. It is not happening. I will have my eyes glued on you from right behind you. Why this is the sort of helicopter overbearing parent I would expect in the movie blockers. That's why I'm dying to see it. I want to see those people get lampooned like they desire I can relate to this I've had blockers

in my life this is very funny because like I yeah I was a real dorky kid growing up but my parents were pretty like they weren't obnoxious like they I would stay out to like one or two I think because they realized like

hell yeah well he just did a play and we've met the other dorks who also did this play uh so yeah i don't think we gotta worry about this one uh but i did there was like i had two or three friends who's like parents were like yeah that weird robert de niro meet the parent i got my eye on you yeah again it's just like it's very funny to me when that happens and it's like you see the kids and they're all fucking dorks yeah yeah yeah what are you what are you worried about here oh and especially in a like look i am not going to impregnate her on the ride yeah there is no i don't know what exactly you were being a

little more hands off you're at the safest place on earth you're at like disneyland well and there's a way not the matterhorn well no yeah look there you know she could have she certainly could have done that and and she could have even played it off hey hey i'll be watching you instead this like odd internalized monologue done in this scary breathy way and we still had about half hour a half hour more of line to go wow so we just kind of were all in silence until this occurred so was she in the mom's lap how did it work i think i I was still... Or a separate car. Strangely, I was still allowed the lap time, but with the warning that I would be under supervision, which obviously there's a lot of cameras watching you as well. I also was a real smart-ass kid

and was raised by at least one smart-ass. I guess both my parents are a little smart-ass. One even more than the other. But I definitely, in that situation, would have gone like, what does that mean? I would have tried to cut the tension with a well-placed joke and failed miserably. Mike has seen me do this where I'm like,

I'm going to call out exactly what's happening, and it just makes it worse. I have seen you do that. I'm trying to remember. Just say what it was, and if we have to cut it out, we'll cut it out. I don't remember. I just mean, like, in social situations, like, I will go, like, well, this is going great, like, when something uncomfortable happens.

Oh, that's true. Well, you did that when Minnie was harassing Mike. Yeah. Which didn't help anything. I yelled. She only got more grab assy. I yelled, oh, nice. Hell yeah.

As loud for everyone in the live here but um damn baller move that that is very funny now I I seeing um the the from the that young lady's mother's perspective I will admit I there is nothing scarier as an adult than teenagers laughing and you don't know what they're laughing about and they're looking in your direction like that is like oh no i'm gonna get bullied by kids yeah i know i look foolish just on the street i know yeah nothing for like and i don't mean this isn't even recent that i'm in my 30s i think think when I was 22, I was terrified of teens laughing. It took me no time to get past.

There's no people I want the acceptance of more than teens. Than teens. I want teens to like me when I walk by teens on the street. I'm like, I think they would think I was cool. I don't know. But I also am scared. Scared. And I admire them and scared of them.

It's sort of like on the 30 Rock joke where Tina Fey's outside a building and she goes, ah, youths! And some kids just walk by. They're not really doing anything. They just walk by and she's scared of them. Something unnerving about it. I've never felt comfortable with teens,

not before I was one, not while I was one, and certainly not after being one. No, I don't know that I've ever... Maybe it's longing because I've never been young. i don't think i've ever felt like a young i've never felt i've never felt like the correct age that i am yes i i agree um do you think are there teenagers listening to this oh yeah and now i'm thinking about it and like do they like it the way we intend or are they laughing at it is it the way we intend, or are they laughing at us?

Is it a long con? Are they making fun of us while listening to it for two hours at a time? Do you listen to us while you eat the Tide Pods and before you put on a Lil Xan track? Is that what you guys write? Was it Xan? Lil Xan? Yeah, like Xanax. Lil Xan.

Oh, that's his name. Okay. That's what he's short for. He's in a Twitter feud right now with my friend. Past guest John Daly. Past guest John Daly. Boy, John learned a real lesson about. John sure learned not to mess with teens.

Yeah. Hey, it's what he gets for sticking his foot in the water. Nothing funnier than me and John Daly feuding with Lil Xan. It was reported on. There was an article in Stereogum. This is worthy of a headline, apparently. Thank you. Well, look, most of our guests are good boys.

Podcast of the Ride is no beef with Lil Xan, okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And teens, we love it. Thank you for listening. Yeah, thank you, teens. Thank you, teens. If you tell your friends about the podcast, say it's these super cool, really self-aware guys who love Lil Xan.

And also theme parks, but mainly, there's just more to talk about with theme parks, but we love Lil Xan more than theme parks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Well, three cool dudes with real normal body shapes, real regular. Who know where all the cool makeout spots are in disneyland yeah and and you know uh think your parents are giving you way too much grief look there might not be a world left for you to be adults in the way things are going so have fun now yeah come on enjoy treats while you can yeah although that's been every uh generation thinks they'll be the last generation you know that's why all those 50s greasers were drag racing all the time oh they had

well i mean they lived in the era of like uh duck and cover because a nuclear bomb will be dropped on their like podunk high school well i mean and this and this is a very teen friendly reference of course the wilco song uh jeff tweedy says that that when he's singing. He says, every generation thinks it's the last. Oh, yeah. So if you teens love alt rock, dad rockers, Wilco. Wilco's kind of,

they're kind of like the rock equivalent of Lil Xan. They paved the way for Lil Xan. Sure. You got to pay respect to the elders. They're still rock. I mean, I had Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

when I was in high school. I remember listening to that. Sure. I was getting ready for the SATs. Yeah, 2001. Yeah. You don't hate all music, Jason. No, I don't. No, I remember listening to that. Sure. Getting ready for the SATs. Yeah, 2001. Yeah. You don't hate all music, Jason. No, I don't.

No, I don't hate all music. You just get mad when we're talking about Denny Lane. Yeah, I just get confused or I lose track. Well, it is true. Well, like Marvel. You two know a lot about Marvel. Yeah, that's exactly. We know a lot about, like, you have a lot of, like,

because you're also a big wrestling guy but I'm not as big of a wrestling guy but you and Mundy are big wrestling guy you've got a lot of quadrants I guess you cross over with most of them Jason yeah I'm a day tripper and some of them that's a music reference

what? let me keep with the parental theme a little bit, which I have another story also involving in-laws. My wife's dad, probably in the 60s, I'm not sure if it was a grad night or just a regular day at Disneyland, but in the time when the Skyway passed through the Matterhorn,

he was a no-good kid, and he threw a cherry bomb into the Matterhorn from the Skyway and felt pretty pleased with himself. Like, wow, I got away with it. No PA announcement was made. I made it and then got to the Skyway station. And as he gets closer and closer, sees several security guards, arms folded, and he knows what it is. He just surrenders immediately. All right, where are we going? Kicked out of the park.

Now, see, that's very much a sign of the times, because at the time, that was like, oh, Dennis the Metis, and now that would be like, uh-oh, ISIS. Yeah, you'd be reading about that. That would be an LA Times article. He'd be thrown in the raft with Baron Zemo. No,

Mike. Hey, that's just the world we live in now'll bust you out mike mike being the dad yeah not me uh yeah uh important clarification glad i made it um yeah so look a lot of opportunity to get up to some no good stuff on this ride whether it's making out or throwing bombs or getting decapitated. Whatever your teen interest is, the Matterhorn can satisfy. You know, we've mentioned, like, this ride has been plussed up over the years. Like, it always had, like, yeah, it's a ride, it's a toboggan ride through the Swiss Alps, through the Matterhorn. And, you know, eventually the Abominable Snowman got added.

One detail that was added in the 90s was the crate labeled Wells Expeditions, which is a tribute to the late Frank Wells, who along with Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg, right, were often cited as like the great, the three executives that like kind of brought the disney company back to life uh frank wells often credited as like the level one the peacekeeper um and things sort of seemingly took a dive after he passed away because he died in 1994 or something and that was when the classic movie era kind of ended and people started to get yeah at Eisner. But he would play Peacekeeper

I guess was the role he fell into. Between Eisner and Katzenberg and probably other entities. And he was an avid skier and in fact died in a helicopter crash during a ski trip. So, I mean, and they put this crate in as a tribute

that year. But like to me, like I get it, it makes sense as a tribute, year. But to me, I get it. It makes sense as a tribute. But it does seem very morbid to me that it's like, well, yeah, but he also died. It wasn't a casket, though. Yeah, I guess that's true. Wasn't bones flying. He had been eaten by the snowman.

Although that would be cool. If there were a bunch of bones lying around. Oh, you mean like if you died, that was the way? Yeah. Yeah. That would be cool. If there were a bunch of bones lying around. Oh, you mean like if you died, that was the way? Yeah. Yeah. That would be cool. With like some shreds of orange and purple. Yeah, I was eating an ice cream cone and the Yeti came by and he wanted a larger snack than that.

Or if I was covered in sprinkles. The Yeti covered me in sprinkles and ate me like an ice cream cone. The Yeti. I didn't know the Yeti performed ironic deaths. Yes, he does. He's smarter than you give him credit for. Well, wait. He's not the Yeti, though. He. The Yeti. I didn't know the Yeti performed ironic deaths. Yes, he does. He's smart, and you give him credit for it. Wait, he's not the Yeti, though,

correct? Yeah, yeah. He's the abominable snowman. Yes, the Yeti is Expedition Everest. Yes. Right. And the abominable snowman was added in 1978.

The word abominable, strange, by the way, not often used outside. And I feel like probably a lot of kids mispronounce that word. I'm not sure I would have said it correctly. I probably know the word now better because that's the company that made our special Lords of Synth. Thanks, guys. That's some abominable listeners out there.

But I think I was, I probably said like a domino balls. Like, I think I said it wrong until Lords. you did make that but i think i was i probably said like a dom a domino balls like i think i said it wrong until lord's yes lord's the synth a genuine project of right not just a fan yeah there's no character who hypothetically made it uh um yeah but i yeah i learned to say abominable but that's a um very confusing and i still do we know the definition of it and why it's associated with snowmen that's a good question. What is the technical? I mean, I'll look it up. Horrifying? Scary?

Abominable? It also seems like notorious. Oh, yeah. Like the unsinkable... Causing moral revulsion. Whoa, see, that's heavier. That's what I'm saying. So he's like a creep.

He's like a deviant. It also says very bad or unpleasant. A deviant snowman. That's why the mom was mad. She knew that deviant snowman was going to be watching us. Oh, yeah. Watching me touch over the shirt. That pervert snowman.

Because before they changed out the animatronic, he did have like five cigarettes in his mouth, and he had a jug with three X's on it and a bunch of porno mags in his hand. And his bright red eyes bugged out like the uh like the mask wolf yeah and he made the reason he made the ride so bumpy was so you'd have extra fun in the seats it was like that curb episode where larry is the car that shakes the people in the passenger seat oh sure orgasms oh you know what i'm talking about yeah uh-huh uh uh i forgot to mention this this is a

perfect this would have been a perfect segue when we're talking about uh your your romantic life as a teen oh but apparently there was just a big pile of dirt this is in the wikipedia um before it was built so during the construction of the park there was dirt from the excavation of sleeping beauty's castle uh and it was like just piled up in between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland and it was dubbed Holiday Hill. Just a bunch of dirt. It was just a bunch of dirt. Walt tried to frame like it was something that was

supposed to be there. Right, but it was just like they didn't have a place to put this dirt. And they started, I don't want to interrupt, but I read that they started putting plants and stuff on there because otherwise dirt would just whip around in the wind. Because it was just a big pile of dirt, it would just fly off and hit guests in the eye. So they had to start retroactively landscaping this pile that they called Holiday Hill.

So they were having, they wanted people to picnic on it so you could go and eat your lunch or whatever there. But the hill had come to be used primarily as a nighttime lover's lane. Ooh, a lover's lane. Yeah, and Disneyland, they were not pleased about this. And by that, whatever the source of this, it means it happened twice. There were two occasions, and that's enough to make it an urban legend that like there were holiday hill babies. And there's a similar thing also about the hill, which is when they started growing plants and trees and shrubs that supposedly a Disney gardener started planting a different kind of plant. Oh, really?

A marijuana plant. Whoa! Holiday Hill. Yeah, yeah. Holiday Hill was the place for you. Oh, boy. If only I'd been 16 in 1957. You'd get high and then go neck with your best gal.

Talk about my burgeoning communist viewpoints. Sure. And if Jason were around back then, he would just be having a picnic alone and screaming at everyone to knock off the nonsense. Stop rustling. My picnic basket is falling off the hill. I'm perceiving everything a lot more intensely

because of this plant for some reason. I guess you would be high. I'd be high, but also cranky. Has happened often in the past. Because too many greasers would be necking I'd be high, but also cranky. Has happened often in the past. Because too many greasers would be necking with their poodle skirt-wearing girlfriends. That's true. They're saying, loud, loud rustle of poodle cotton.

Poodle skirts and crispy leather. Hey, here's an urban legend that is not an urban legend. It is a true fact. There is a cast member made half-basket basketball court in the top of the Matterhorn. It's kind of been shifted around once or twice, but it's sort of like an area, because there used to be, and there are now again,

although I haven't seen them in a while, live climbers, like costumed mountain climbers that would climb up and down this mountain. Yes, I love those climbers. Has that happened in a long time? They up and down this mountain. Yes, I love those climbers. Has that happened in a long time? They brought it back in 2012. Yes.

But I don't know recently. We were there in 2012. I was there with my family in 2012 and they were there and they were waving to us. And it is so much fun seeing these people in little outfits. Yeah. Oh, that's another.

I was saying that all the different types of transportation are going by the Matterhorn. Also the fact that you'd have people propelling down the hill. And this is a whole other thing, but Tinkerbell flying down during the fireworks show. What the Matterhorn did in terms of providing this exciting hub and this real unique, odd feature to the park. Very visually pleasing. A lot of kinetic energy uh they talk about uh one of my favorite reference points on this show devil in the white city the famous landscape architect who designed

the chicago world's fair was very conscious of uh having kinetic movement so like uh boats in like people crossing on different walkways and boats going through canals and stuff you realized it was very visually pleasing and sort of that extra sort of like uh oomph than just like your regular city park or something and disney you know uh it is noticeable in theme parks yeah monorail going by the main street vehicles and stuff uh i feel like i notice when it's not there like i like at epcot there's the boats that you know go across world showcase but it's uh was a real disappointment to me uh after the first once or twice i had been to islands of adventure when the boats that would take you from the port of entry to jurassic park they only ran for a little while and i thought that was very cool and very

cool to look out and see these kind of like junk boat looking things uh they're gone like i they have not been there for many years they don't do the boats anymore or it's a different boat at islands yeah there's nothing yeah there's nothing yeah um i don't think there was ever boats in universal studios florida because that always had nighttime shows going i wish there were boats in the water in California Adventure, too. Although that, I guess, has not been possible for a long time now with World of Color.

If there was even something, yeah, I guess, can you not even pilot anything through there? Even if, like, people, even if you couldn't get in the lake, if there were jet skiers

or something going by, that'd be kind of fun. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, love a jet ski. Sure. I mean, you know, you just want to feel like the hustle and bustle of whatever fakeki sure i mean you know you just want to feel like uh the hustle and bustle of whatever fake town or fake land like you want to feel like people

are going to work people are doing things make this feel like a real place would feel because i'm never going to any real not going to the row yeah we're not going to the real matter horn um and we're not going to a real uh basketball court we just like knowing that there is one yeah fake mountain no um we are not in any of the uh two dozen uh uh social basketball leagues los angeles comedians are in yes true no documentary about our basketball playing no um but uh yeah what else about this well the the basketball court is is interesting because i i feel like was a, that's like one of those first pieces of Disneyland nerddom that you sort of hook on to. That's one of those first things that you can drop, you know, on a date at the park or something. And feel out if the person is annoyed by facts like that or into them.

It's one of those entry-level pieces of trivia that I always thought was really neat. I feel like the actual court, I think Disney now is like, they've just filmed it. You can see it in a video or something. And it's not, I think I always imagined it was like a really polished

nice gym, like a Chicago Bulls practice. Yeah. Oh yeah. Like, yeah. Like shiny and kept up. And that may be like,

if, if like a high profile talent, if like Kobe needs somewhere private to practice, he could work out a deal to go use the, but in fact it's just, it looks like an attic or something. It's just Iowa with a rim. You can play like horse up there,

but you probably can't even have a game, I don't think. Or can you? Is it half court? Is it a half court game? Is it a half court game? I've seen it described as a quarter court. That's what I thought, yeah. I think it might actually be even a little bit smaller.

You can get a horse going. Yeah, you could have a little fun up there, and I think that's neat. Being that that's the case, the top of the Matterhorn is only used for that. And as you said, that's kind of the basketball court. It's like a kind of a break lounge for the mountain climbers. And other than that, that's the only people who go up to the top because the ride stops kind of, I think, 80 feet of the way up.

It's a very tall structure, the Matterhorn, is what I'm saying, but only the bottom half essentially is used for the actual ride. Yeah, and of course looks much taller because of forced perspective when you're standing. I read that they recently repainted the Matterhorn to make it, or they also designed it so that the sun would hit it in the same way that it hits the actual mountain. And they did a paint job that was more realistic to where, like, what feature is on the actual Matterhorn.

Yeah, there's been a lot of paint work. Another place we will never go. Supposedly, Walt wanted real snow or, like, at least fakes, like, some snow. Like, he wanted the snow not to be just painted on initially, but that was too hard. Oh, okay. I mean, it looks kind of snowy, but of course it doesn't really make sense. I was looking at photos

from the 50s and 60s as opposed to now, and it definitely looks snowier these days. I think there were times where it got to more of just a gray point, and it just looked like a big concrete. Here's the thing. They never changed this into a giant birthday cake right they never there was never any crazy different version they never made it like a check in the minus column of course yeah yeah yeah there was talk of a paint job at one time which i will source uh jim hill sure on, which is that when there was a,

supposedly when they were going to bring the Muppets to Disneyland for the first time, they were thinking about heralding that by painting the Matterhorn green and maybe putting big Kermit eyes on the top. So it was maybe almost a Kermitified. That seems terrifying. And if I was a child, I'd be upset by it.

Yeah, possibly. Because I don't know that that would... Would you know that was why? And the shape of Kermit is not like the shape of this mountain. No, I would say Beaker is probably the best in terms of Muppet shapes. Like a pointy head. Maybe a monster. But the monsters are more from Sesame Street.

Oh, it's Sweetums. I guess you could kind of make it look like Sweetums. But Sweetums doesn't have a pointy head. Like, Bert's head would look more like the top of... Yeah, but the Sesame Street workshop is a different corporate entity. Because of the sale, and we all know. You all know what we're talking about.

So what, yeah, I guess you're limited in your regular Muppet characters who look enough like a mountain to... That, yet again, feels like, would have felt to me like a Great Gatsby eyes, like God, watching everything you're doing in Disney Park. Making sure there's no makeouts going on. Yeah, making sure there's no makeouts. The eyes in the sky.

Beware the eyes. Do you know the other we're jumping all around we could have done this chronologically but why and i'll say things as they occur to me there's also um when they wanted to replace holiday hill and clear out all that marijuana growing everywhere there was talk of uh replacing it with they had the idea of putting a ride there and kind of building on top of the dirt pile. And there was another proto Matterhorn situation called rock candy mountain. Yes.

I've heard of this. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I don't, I don't know a ton about it, but I looked into it a little bit. It was not going to be a roller coaster,

but it had some structural similarities to the Matterhorn and it would have, they would have actually extended the Casey Jr. train ride and the storybook canal boats to explore the inner caverns of this big mountain that looks like candy and in fact when they made a model of this

they just put actual candy all over it and apparently like birds flew into the studio and started to taking away you know necco wafers that were pasted to the side and that's i mean that's i would like that ride but more than the matterhorn unfortunately i like the matterhorn fine but that candy i've read a little bit about that and that sounds amazing it would have been like 60 it would look like the willy wonka's chocolate factory candy yeah like however they would like the maid like that it would be like

a dirty brown water and it's like oh chocolate and you're like now it's like oil if you look at it they said the rivers were going to be red but what what candy doesn't that it just feels like rivers of blood delicious blood yeah well wait Yeah. Well, wait, but there... The candy we all have inside of us. And nothing about... It wouldn't have... It would have just shared the name with the, you know, folk song that hobos would sing.

Because Big Rock Candy Mountain, here's the Wikipedia, is a folk song about a hobo's idea of paradise. You know, where hens lay soft-boiled eggs and there's cigarette trees. It's about hobos idea of paradise you know where hens lay soft-boiled eggs and there's cigarette trees it's about hobos alluring like pied pipering children away to like yes come here it'll be everything you want genuinely cigarette trees or is that your generalization no that's it says cigarette trees yeah wow uh john very funny john hodgman in his book, The Area of My Expertise, says a whole chapter deconstructing this song in American hobo code.

Really? I don't think it was going to be based on that song. Maybe they would have used the song and not used the certain lyrics. Yeah, there are different lyrics. There's cleaner lyrics, but then there's lyrics. Well, regional hobos would change the words to whatever they wanted. So they could fix a version where they didn't have to talk about cigarettes or stealing. Sure.

It could have just been, yeah, delicious. They could sing about Frito Pies if they were in the Southwest or delicious pastrami sandwiches if they're in New York. That's what your hobo song was. Yes, I'm getting hungry just talking about this idea. In a very dire time, they might sing about eating their own hand off oh potentially sure if you're in a really grim hobo situation um yeah well i wish there were cigarette trees if there had been that would have been a whole thing if there was they built cigarette trees on the ride then in like the 1990s there would have been a big like to do about well we

have to get rid of the cigarette trees on this ride. It's outdated. No, you can't. The cigarette trees, Walt wanted those. Walt's vision. Those were Walt's cigarettes, and they need to be growing on those trees. Main Street had a tobaccoist for a long time. Yeah.

I wonder if there was an outcry about that, too. Like, I used to buy all my tobacco from the man one man on main street and like he's going away he knew me he knew which uh rubs i liked i don't know how you bite like that drunk woman we ran into at guardians of galaxy like her mother would like was outside the tobaccoist as it was being retrofitted into a gift shop or that crystal store on main street she was like come on this She was like, come on. This is bad. Let me buy my Lucky Eats. This is bad.

I want my cigarettes. Where am I going to get my Lucky Eats? I don't know. What was the official cigarette of Disneyland? I'll Google that. Official cigarette of Disneyland. There must have been, right? They were cutting deals with everybody.

Left and right, yeah. That woman, she needed her special pack land there must have been right they were cutting deals with everybody left and right yeah that woman that she needed her special pack to make sure her daughter grew up big and strong if i don't special pregnancy cigarettes uh so uh another noticeable thing uh i thought this would have come up when we were talking about team stuff teen stuff but the safety warning the please remain seated per month sarah sentados por favor the jack wagner voiced uh safety recording kind of infamous uh if you grew up at a certain age and i didn't realize this because again i didn't i'm just learned about music five years ago is in the opening of the No Doubt album, Tragic Kingdom,

which I believe I realized was a Disneyland pun like last month. It was like a Magic Kingdom pun not too long ago. That came up in, we discussed Gwen Stefani apparently frequenting Studio K. Studio K. And perhaps Videopolis as well.

And the unbuilt West Coast rock and roller coaster. Oh, it was potentially a No Doubt equivalent. Oh, right, right, right. But they sample a little of this famous safety spiel. So that'll, when we do a theme episode about uh songs about the parks that'll be one of the four that we can address that'll be one of them tragic kingdom also in the name of what seems to be like at least one if not multiple exhausting books written by x cast members of like the real stories that went on behind the

scenes of Disney that the Disney parks yeah yeah tragic kingdom what was the most the Banksy theme park exit Oh Dismal and exit through the gift shop is yeah that's the theme park thing yeah Yeah, yeah, right, right. And one of his pranks in the movie is at Disney, he puts a Guantanamo body at Big Thunder, which is just confusing and upsetting. Yeah, it doesn't really make sense. Yeah.

Nailed it. Got him. Really? You got the man there. Sorry, man. I can't find the official tobacco. I don't know if they had a brand. Mike's back from the Burbank Library with a stack

of books. And I'm researching thoroughly. Trying to find the official cigarette at Disneyland. It says, look, they sold a bunch of tobacco products to anyone who was 16 or older. Boy, I came up in the wrong time. I could have had cigarettes coming

out every corner of my mouth and put them to the side long enough for a quick make out. Yeah, your girlfriend's mom could have been giving you grief and you could have blown Paul Ball smoke at her face. Like, hey, mind your own business here, lady. You're not going to see anything blow smoke in her eyes momentarily blinded. Mind your P's and Q's. We're legal adults. We're 13 years old.

We're getting married before we leave today. Yeah, there was a marriage. You could get married. I assume that was at Disneyland, too. It's between the cigarette store and the bra store. The quick shack up marriage spot. And also, probably the captain of the Mark Twain

could marry you, too. Whoever was... Oh, so I could have done marriages the day I was the honorary captain? The day that you were at the wheel of the Mark Twain, there's a good chance that anyone who wanted to get married, you could just quickly dole it out. You just had to read a couple things from a book. Could I have annulled marriages too if I saw a couple waiting down?

I think you could have done a lot as the captain of the Mark Twain. Oh, man. Any marriage you wanted to move in on, you could declare no. Oh, I could have made a lot as the captain of the Mark Twain. Oh, man. Any marriage you wanted to move in on, you could declare no. Oh, I could have made a triad, too? You would look down from the captain's deck, and you would have seen a couple, and you'd go, hey, I'm part of that now. And then it would have been legally binding.

I look. I'm your third. I'm all for it. I'm all for it. I'm all for the government to start recognizing triads. I'm on board for, like like there's 47 genders or no genders. I'm on board for it. You're on board.

Count me in. Yeah. You just want to blow up. I'm also on board the Mark Twain. You just want to blow up math. You just don't like the number two. You don't like duos or things coming in twos. No, I'm an odd numbered man.

I'm an odd man and I love odd numbers. So, man, the list of things we know about you. Big old drug head. Hates music. Come on. Come on. It's an exceedingly accurate list that I'm giving. And looking to be a third.

We know that. Family members see me plug this show, and as far as I know, only my father and brother have looked it up. Yeah, that's fine. If they don't want to know their real son, then that's not my problem. Yeah, I'm a real rowdy boy.

This is the last thing I have written down that I thought was interesting, and this is just to cross off the dry facts part of it. The splashdown pool, towards the end of the ride, you come down an incline and you hit a splashdown pool and there's a little bit of a splash. That is also practical. It cools down, cools off the braking pads

that are mounted under the bobsled. That's interesting. And the hitting the water itself also acts as a braking mechanism. I read that that came about because Bob Gurr, a long time Imagineer, Bob Gurr and Walt took a ride on it

and that they had not really sorted out the end and that they crashed into like a haystack. Like Walt flew out of the car or something. Really? But that he liked it he thought it

was fun he was like oh some kind of some crazy ending something that slows you down i think the haystacks are probably there to stop the car yeah yeah i thought it'd be a more gentle thing but instead it was a big rock ascending but yeah walt wanted something interesting at the end that practically stopped the ride i wish there was more classic rides that ended up with you in a haystack or like a big hay pile like it been back to the future that should the back to the future ride you should really end up in like a manure truck or something oh yeah that well there was a possible ending of that did we discuss this oh maybe we did or biff was gonna get manure poured on him and in fact if you look close in the ride there's a big pipe over him that I think says manure.

How about that? Which, why in a science lab is there a big manure pipe? There's no reason for that. So I'm glad they didn't, that that would have been a plot hole. I'll say this, that landing in a big haystack reminds me of like, you know, we talked about not, you know, we've done a lot of more recent stuff or more recent last few decades. And this is an older one i mean we have to do like an episode or multiple episodes about like 50s disneyland when you you read about stuff or you look at pictures and go like wait what was the burning of the town or like what was circus that was a fully operational circus for a year i see like the? Huh? Wasn't that in the early 90s

or late 80s? Well, that was something. That was like a carnival summer or something. There was something called the Mickey Mouse Club Circus. Oh. Yeah, there was a circus.

Wow. And like the Mouseketeers would be there and stuff. Wow. So there was a lot of early stuff while they were figuring out what people really liked about the park and what

The 50s I feel like might actually kind of be when the park was the coolest you think so because like or maybe i whenever like louis armstrong's on the mark twain just playing a concert like they'd have like cool people down there there was it was like people would obviously dress up and go there and like the golden horseshoe was like a cool show to go like a cool show people liked like adults loved it like there's a vibe to it and of course i'm just this is i wasn't there but there is a vibe to it in the 50s of like this is just a cool place to hang out like it's a high-end it felt more like a shot of

iran is the shot of iran or iran iran that is very weird because i i remember learning about radio in college and the associated press in addition to having formatting rules, has pronunciation rules for major news organizations. And at the time of the Iraq War, you were supposed to say Iraq, not Iraq. Yes. Well, there weren't such rules. Not such rules in the days of- Narrating Disney specials. Yeah.

I actually have another, strangely, the Shah of Iran had another connection to Disney later, which is that he, there was a, they were going to build the Persian Hotel at Bay Lake,

like near, not on the same, in the same area as the Polynesian, but close to it, I guess. The concept art is beautiful for that.

Yeah, yeah, sort of. It's kind of a Taj Mahal-y looking palace kind of vibe. Yes, I forget the official terms for the architectural style, but it's a lot of blues and whites and very pretty. Oh, I don't think I've really seen it. But yeah, the Shah of Iran was going to put up the money for this, potentially. But then the Iranian revolution happened. Yes.

And he went into exile. And the biggest fallout from that was the loss of the Persian Hotel. I can think of nothing else more important. I think there was supposed to be like a pavilion, too. There was talk of an Iran pavilion. The great Shah of Iran did a lot of great work with totalitarian uh piece of shit overthrown by the sea or initially put in power by the cia three years before his uh fun matterhorn ride with his wife he started savak a secret police police force that tortured his enemies.

And then there he is, riding with Waltz. How is that word spelled? S-A-V-A-K. Because Savik in Navi means rise to the challenge. Whoa. How that is very... Same spelling? No, it's like an I instead of an A, I think.

Okay. But it's very close. What a spooky coincidence. Rise to the challenge. It's a more positive word than the, yeah, the other, the thing representing

a secret police force that apparently tied weights to people's testicles until they confessed. Jesus Christ. Yeah, this is happening while these haven't,

like, ah, this is just like the Swiss Alps. The strangest historical tangent. Who would have thought we would have started at the Matterhorn and ended up in a pre-revolution Iran. It's a big tic-tac between

16-year-old makeouts and giant overthrows. Something for the whole family on this episode. If you're a history buff or if you're a horny teen there's something for all of you city planner who loves talking about parking options if you're little zan again we have no feud with little zan we love little love you zan we're glad you're listening

we've heard he listens yeah he does listen yeah um he's gonna do a song about us uh what else have we i like i like on the new the they refurbed the ride a couple years ago and even though they didn't make any improvements to the track even though it seems like it's the exact same it's different cars but like not much as far as if it's a smoother ride uh they made the yeti better there's a cool effect now where or excuse me the snowman abominable snowman there's a cool effect now where it looks like he's like you're seeing him on the other side of ice i kind of that. And he's kind of climbing toward you. It looks so cool.

That is so well done. And the sound design is legit scary. Yeah. And yeah, that all, almost more than the robotic snowman. I think that buildup is cool. Really? I mean, I was going to say I love the robotic snowman is legit terrifying. Yeah.

He looks, his movement looks real. Yeah, he lunges at you now. He lunges at you. Because it was a little unclear before what the snowman's deal was. He just kind of like flatly, and I liked the old snowman too. I got no beef with the old snowman or Lil Xan, but the new one, it does seem more clear to me. Maybe I just know this from watching an Imagineering video, but they pointed out how he's protective.

He's protecting his mountain. I think that communicates a little better. And there's a great thing they added, too, is that when you're zooming in and out of the mountain, there's a Skyway car that he has taken and some other little artifacts. One of the old styles of vehicle. Yes, it was the old Skyway car that he has taken and some other little artifacts. One of the old styles of vehicle. Yes. It was the old Skyway.

So the idea is that when that Skyway was going through, he took one and he took it and he put it in his little treasure pile. He mangled it up a little. Which is, this is nerd stuff that I love. This is fun. I guess this is an Easter. This is like a classic Ready Player One Easter egg, if you really think about it. And, of course, there is two snowmen because two tracks.

One of the old original snowmen is in the queue for Guardians of the Galaxy. Yes, which is awesome. Trapped with figments in a crate. Yes, and that's another thing that's cool about the Guardians is that they've made the collector, the famous Benicio Del Toro character that's in the movie for five minutes, he loves the Disney Parks.

He's a Disney Parks fanatic. Yeah. So he has a lot of artifacts and characters from the Disney Parks history. They must have been thrilled to get to buy that hotel then. That old haunted hotel that they wanted to get rid of anyway. Of course.

He had to overtake it and put his collection there? Well, I think Joe Rohde said that in the narrative of what's going on in that area is that one day that just appeared. Oh. That's his explanation for it. There was no sign of the lease from the bank right from the uh i don't know uh hr terrorson whoever owned the tower of terror before it was not it was not like back to the future ride simpsons where there was a they put the narrative there that they sold he sold the institute of future technology to uh that's what i'm after

i want forms i want to see transfer of ownership no logic here i think the roadie logic is that all of a sudden oh my god where did this giant crazy space fortress spaceship whatever he calls it power plant the one i think the first or second time mike and i wrote it because there's stuff there's clearly audio easter eggs in the queue line too in the outside queue it is and i very quickly like went like oh this is a i was like oh this i very very proudly went like this is a midi version of the best time of your life yes so they yeah there are audio he not only other carousel of progress the other carousel where it might have just been the song but i forget in tanalier to von's collection he

also has an audio collection and while you're listening in line they have kind of like warped little like things so like it feels like there's loops of like maybe old tomorrowland in that line like while you're listening to stuff so like there's a whole i don't know how long it goes but i don't think i've ever heard a repeat even if i'm in line for a long time so there's like if this is like the, this is the nerdy stuff and they really found a good way to do it on this particular ride.

Which probably also helps because there was a lot of, people were skeptical and some people still do not really like the Guardians ride and I think it was probably a good way

to like shut up some of the nerds to put all your Easter eggs in there. I'm sure it went a good way to you having goodwill towards this ride.

Yes, it makes me, yes, it makes me very happy to see the old yeti yeah it makes and hear this there's a squid right there's squid from 20 000 leagues yes the squid from 20 000 leagues there's a couple other things too and then they're they're gonna change stuff out supposedly and put all their old things in there do you did you do you know that the the Abominable Snowman was a redress of a Jungle Cruise gorilla? Really? How about that? Uh-huh.

Not unlike the story of changing the Rockafire Explosion to Munch's Make-Believe Band. Right. Very similar. It is a redress of a gorilla. But in this case, probably to better use. Yeah. Sorry, Munch. You're not a good use. Yeah. Sorry, Munch.

You're not a good redressed gorilla. Mr. Munch. I like Munch. What am I talking about? Yeah, we all like Munch. Why am I? I'm a big fan of Munch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I take it back. Sorry, Munch. I guess Doug Jones is a little upset when we say stuff like, we like the Chuck E. Cheese band more than the Rock of Fire Explosion. Yeah, and he doesn't like Guardians, I don't think. He did a little jab. Everybody's got their things that they do and don't like. There's people, yeah, I remember I saw Mark Hoppus tweet.

He was very upset about the Guardians of the Galaxy, Blink-182 front man, Mark Hoppus. People are very... Maybe we have not properly... And we've got our own opinions, too. Yeah, yeah. Maybe we haven't properly represented the people who do not like us.

I do think we could have done, when we were putting this podcast together, we could have had a difference of, like, we fall in a similar line. We have differences, but we need to have the counterpoint. You know? We need to add a person to the podcast. We need more people talking on top of us. Just an incredibly annoying devil's advocate in the corner. I like that the Matterhorn hurts your back.

It's good. And then somebody who never wants anything to change. I think we should bring the Chauverin back. We should find that woman in front of Guardians and get her on the podcast. Sure. And she should be here every week. Do you think?

What if we did track her? I feel like we haven't been super nice to her. So if she's heard this, I don't know if she's going to agree. Although maybe it'll start the fire and she'll want to come start arguing points. The problem is I have a feeling that she came up to several different people that looked like you and i who also all have podcasts who also have podcasts who also were like oh maybe it'll be fun and maybe she won't know yeah she won't know maybe also too drunk to remember that yes very good point very good point. She had Waltz Scotch Mist at the

Carthay Circle Lounge. We wouldn't put up with that here. Nobody's drunk on this podcast. This ain't no Lover's Lane. We don't have special plants here. We breathalyze each other before to make sure that we're at optimum performance.

So what do you guys think about this rod like wrapping up our usual ratings how do you guys feel about this um i well i think they legitimately did a a great um plus up and it feels like it's just it's got to be mechanical they got to make that thing not yes the number one thing is mechanical i fear that the thing is built in such a way that it might be impossible just as far as clearances are concerned like if they were to make the track like smoother they'd have to put a whole different thing like a different system in there maybe and then like you'd have to like make the tunnels wider because then they don't want a human being's

hand to be able to touch it if they yeah although it feels like it feels like i could touch a wall if i if i tried the thing has maimed people body parts have come off and yeah you feel that it's it's pretty tight clearances on this thing uh yeah so i don't know if it's if somebody would probably say it's impossible to make it a different ride system this might be the most like easy consensus in in terms of how we feel about a ride. The plus-up. Yeah, it's recently gotten plus-up. All that story stuff and the effects looks great. But yeah, if we could plus anything up that track, man.

Yeah, this is a genuine idea. Just make it more comfortable. We're getting up there. We're not rowdy teens anymore. We need back support, so help us. I would love some more Easter eggs, too. I would love a little more. Sure.

I don't know if there's any room for show scenes, but you know. Yeah. One more appearance of the snowman. Some sense of closure. You know what I was thinking? If he's hanging upside down from somewhere. If you were going down and then he sort of like came down surprised and

reached for you. How about this? Bring back the climbers outside the people, but then have one of them get eaten or get sucked into the side of the mountain. That would be so cool. I mean, it would kind of ruin maybe the fun atmosphere of Main Street, but it would be fun. Sure.

And Scott, maybe to your idea, they could re-skin the Xenomorph from the great movie ride that comes from the ceiling. Oh, yeah. And have an about-multi-snowman. That already hangs down and attacks folks. Yeah. I have an idea that would just be it would not negate the regular operation of the ride but it actually would be a a holiday overlay or sort of a you know the theme to certain

times of the year it would be uh when speaking of our fevers when olympic fever uh hits the world uh if we if during the winter olympics there's a perfect opportunity to get a beloved Disney property in there. And I'm talking, of course, about cool runnings. If there is just a seasonal, just for in February in Olympics years, if the ride becomes a race against the Jamaican bobsled team, and you would have to shut down one of the two tracks, You'd have to give it over to be their track, and then you weave in and out, and you'd have to start them all at the same time and presumably build a set of four robots in each car.

This is an expensive... Yeah, this is going to be... This is expensive, and then you also have to make sure the ending, like Radiator Springs Racers, yeah, someone wins, but you have to smooth that out. You can't say you lost the race because you can't lose it it's not a gloating situation and the bobsled team are beloved underdogs you wouldn't feel great about beating them yeah but you'd be the stand-in for the evil swiss team that was the enemy right

right um uh but um but this is an uh a good-hearted rate this is a an exposition is that the term right when baseball exhibition exhibition it's an exhibition exhibition game bobsled race yeah they're trained you're helping them train right so win or lose you're giving them a little challenge because the olympics are going to be in switzerland this year right but then imagine they're surprised when there's a monster hanging around like they, you know, they've been training for a while in their weird jalopy bobsleds out in the sun. But they're in good shape, but they were not expecting a play. We couldn't train for this. I have another pitch for that.

How about it's just like you're on the set of Cool Runnings 2, and you are your actors, and you're... Oh, yeah, great. We need you to perform in the scene. So when you're passing by the other car, give them a cheer, give them a boo. Yeah. Express yourself. That's good.

I like that. Yeah. And then I was saying I'd like one more robot appearance. Right. And I've got an idea. Well, so I think you get rid of the competition aspect by,

as in the climactic race in the film, they skid out. And they... Oh, yeah. Because they get to walk out, you out you know proud even though they didn't quite finish but they marched across the finish line so we know that they'll give it their all no matter what happens you keep going they get grabbed by the monster right uh and you know they're they're so they're disqualified but then you wonder what happened to the bobsled team i wanted to beat them in the race but i didn't want anything bad to happen to them and then you see them right at the end you make one little show scene and they they're now they're hanging out with the abominable

snowman and they got some spliffs and they're getting them high oh a tribute to the old holiday hill yes yeah yeah an acknowledgement of the history of the place i like that yeah and they brought they brought some they brought some good stuff, and they're smoking out the snowman. They're best buds now. Let's just call it Ice Cream Mountain, all right? Oh, hey! Jason perked up.

Let's cover it in orange and purple sprinkles, all right? And in that climactic scene where the abominable snowman is reaching at you, you put an ice cream cone in his hand. And he's trying to hand you an ice cream. Oh, boy, that's fun. He's nice. That's nice. He was trying to get your attention.

Yeah. To an abominable snowman, what seems to us like a terrifying roar is just him saying, hey, take this. Hey, want a refreshing treat? Yeah, yeah. And we can add that dialogue, too. Yeah, yeah. A translator puts subtitles in front of it. Yeah.

This is probably the time to wrap up. I have a very quick fact, which is that the Tinkerbell, because I'll never get the chance to say it otherwise, Tinkerbell who flew down when they started doing that in the 60s, her name was Tiny Klein. She was a Hungarian circus performer. She was 70 years old when she started doing the Tinkerbell flight from the top. Yeah, yeah. And she died of stomach cancer three years after she started doing it in 1964.

So that's three years of her life she spent in summers flying down. That's crazy. It was a trick that Walt saw in a circus. Or no, it was a Hollywood Bowl show where Tinkerbell did that, and he said, I want that at the park every night this summer. Man. She did it the last couple years of her life, Tiny Klein. God bless her.

So if I didn't get that Tiny Klein info. No, we needed that. Yeah, let's shoehorn that in there, and now that's all the dry facts about the Matterhorn. All right. And you have survived Podcast the Ride. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram podcast the ride and podcast the ride at gmail.com yeah and send us more questions now you know when i read questions and tell and tell your mom about us yeah and if mom has a question let's email us thanks mom yeah thanks

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