Podcast: The Ride - Mickey's 60th Birthday with Joe Kwaczala

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

In 1988, The Magical World of Disney aired an ambitious special celebrating Mickey Mouse's 60th birthday. Sitcom character guest appearances, a sorcerer Mickey return and a lot of references to MURDER. Eisner is in there too, don't worry. The returning Joe Kwaczala helps us break it all down, from his personal VHS that includes all the original commercials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=377WMqwuQbs Joe Kwaczala's feature film AMERICAN COMIC is debuting at the Chinese Theater in Hollywood, Sunday 6/29. Tickets here! https://danceswithfilms.com/american-comic/ "⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠More Fantasmic!⁠⁠" episode is up at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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On today's podcast, The Ride where we never lose sight of one thing, that it all began with a mouse who was technically different enough from a rabbit to reset the copyright. I'm Scott Gardiner joined by Mike Carlson. Yes, and I always, I wake up every morning with that thought in my head. A complex thought in my head. Just so I know it resets me every morning. Yeah, yeah. Yes much like the reset of the copyright from the thin tall ears of Oswald to the completely different round ears of me. I do my cold plunge, I touch grass with my bare feet, I do the red light, and then I remember

that it all started with a mouse. That is not the rabbit. Well, I've read online from some very helpful people that it is a good thing to touch grass. Yeah. So I'm glad you do it. I do it, yeah. Jason Sheridan, hi.

Hi, yeah, I just, see, you wake up with this optimism, but I go to bed with this fear and cynicism of like, what if that first iteration of the mouse was twisted? Like, what if he was like in a horror move here? Oh, interesting. I've got some news for you. Oh, no. There are things that exist that might-

Not my night terrors becoming real. Sorry, never mind. Let's pretend it didn't happen. Okay. Sometimes you just wanna watch a weird old special. I think that's some great comfort food when you're us. Hopefully when you're the people listening to us. And we got a great one today and a great guest

to do it with, a great standup comedian from the great podcast, Who Cares About the Rock,, it's Joe Quazzalla. Hey guys. Thank you for indulging me on this subject, which I brought to the table. It is no indulgence whatsoever. It is in fact quite related to what you brought to us the first time you were on the show, which was a couple years ago, and that was the Disneyland 35th anniversary special, correct?

Who doesn't celebrate the 35th anniversary with pomp and circumstance? Of most things, of all things. The big 35, who could forget SNL 35? Yes, yeah, yeah. SNL 35 was very touching. Yeah, well, I mean, that's what was happening in this time was kind of arbitrary. What is around? What is anything that is around that we can celebrate and turn into a multi-pronged approach

that is both theme park events and lavish television specials. This was kind of an Eisner era mandate. And this, this almost is like a prequel to the 35th anniversary. Well, Disney had property on Sunday nights, you know? The magical world of Disney, which especially at this time, it was wonderful world of Disney, magical world of Disney, the Sunday night Disney movie.

Sunday night movie, yes, after a bunch of world of color and all that in the 60s. Yeah, it could not decide what it was. And also at this time, you know, I'm one and a half, my brother is four, my parents are like we are going to build a library for our children by taping these specials off of TV and that is going to be the the entertainment library for these kids. Wow. Okay. Well, that's, geez, that's smart of them. And I guess I hadn't done the math on that too. Like I knew that you were coming in with the real deal.

That you were watching this not via YouTube link, which is easy for any of our listeners to do, but that you were going off original tape. Much less, but much worse picture quality. VHS tape, that still exists. I have transferred it to digital at this point, but that's also how I watched the 35th. And I was looking at the rundown of this season

of magical world of Disney. And I was like, oh yeah, my parents were like, this was the peak because on this tape was the screening of Dumbo from like two weeks before. And I actually got to see the promo for this Special from that as I was like kind of going through. Okay. Oh which was not on the version I Believe yet. We didn't get any what's coming up next like in two weeks What happened to Mickey they cut to Woody Harrelson being like I'm sad

Yeah, that is the duality of this thing. But that is, did you feel like your parents were sort of like forward thinking or singular in this regard as opposed to other parents? It's a great question because I'm probably just giving them a lot of credit. They were probably just like, oh, we will tape this and presumably at some point tape over it,

but they just didn't for whatever reason and Yeah, they just it just stuck around on these tapes I don't know if they were like really like well you see if we tape these specials We will own them without having to buy them and then instead of having to rent I just kind of think if I asked them they might I'm sure they don't remember if I brought it up I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, kind of. Wasn't even a conscious choice.

They were not being a media vanguard. Excited about the VCR. Were there any tapes that had other types of programming? Like other compilations in the house? Oh, sure. I mean, like on this tape alone, it begins with my brother's preschool performance of some like crazy, you know, they're just

like clapping their hands and like trying to say words. And it went into Dumbo, then it went into this. And then after this, it went into the Pee-wee Christmas special, which I had to stop myself from watching in its entirety. I have to go to bed. But yeah, I mean, going through, there's a lot of this stuff, there's Muppet stuff, I mean, going through, there's a lot of this stuff. There's Muppets stuff.

There's the Snow White Golden Anniversary, which was also part of this season of Wonderful, Magical World of Disney. Another really important anniversary. They had to celebrate every one of them. What'd they do for the Golden? Do you have any idea? Angela Lansbury, I think, is hosting.

Ooh, wraparounds. And I think it is on like us on like a studio Like stage, you know, like where they did it maybe or somewhere where waltz actually was or in the go were they in the gelsons were the Stands where they animated it originally, but that one has a more I think Dignified air to it versus some of these ones we've watched recently that are a little more geared towards children. That one, for my recollection.

I mean, we'll just have to watch that next time I come. Yeah, sure, yeah. If this is your area, this is a great area. Sure, because there's also, there's like a Mickey's Happy Valentine special that is, I think, mostly packages of Mickey and Minnie kissing. Is that from the strand of things called DTV where they were trying to capitalize on MTV and get the rights to like five pop songs per special and then take all the old shorts that

don't cost them any money and just kind of like jam them into music videos. That was Disney Channel, right? Or no? I don't know, those DTV things might have aired all over I don't even know where they existed I just know that they saw it and they either be like you're the one that I want Yeah, which co-opted it in my head. I remember some I remember seeing Greece oddly late and going That's not a song that Disney made up for me Yeah, I remember those yeah, there are proto versions of that in the special. Yes.

Yeah, similar, yeah. Set to pop songs. Like horny Mickey montages, yeah. Horny Mike again. Where do you find, why are these horny? No, no, no, no, hold on. He comes in hot in one of those with Minnie. He opens the door, he's like,

how about a kiss Minnie? And he really attacks her. There's a lunge. Okay, okay, you'll back, you'll back. Yeah, it was a lunge. It was not, like, oh, he's so shy or whatever. He was a guy. Did you think he meant what the? Clip where they're like That I liked that I approve I like that one a lot too

And I'm curious how much of it is supposed to be funny in the way that we're finding it funny. I'm assuming a little bit. Yeah, I think so. I know, I found myself kind of laughing at it, but going, well, this is a comedy, Mickey Mouse was a comedy product. Right.

And they repeat. They repeat themselves, which has gotta be a joke. Like, that's a joke. It has to be a joke. Yeah. What is it? It's like, I'm fine, how are you? Hi, Mickey, how are you?

I'm fine, how are you, Mickey? Oh, I'm fine, how are you? I'm fine. Yes, we're both fine. That is like the funniest old one See, I thought that's what Mike was referring to. Yeah No, you can go back and forth saying God God Joe is here to remember the thing I remembered or else I look like the town pervert again Or else I look like the town pervert again. God. It's been a running thing. You see sexuality in things where-

I see the truth in things. This is what we have to, the Rippington's cat had a boner, I'm sorry. But the car did not, and Kevin called you out after the fact on that. Well, the car is open to interpretation. That's open to interpretation. There can be a long stretchy car

without it looking like a penis, especially when it's very square at the top and the bottom Yeah, nothing penis II about that unless it's a robot penis long elongated car We have guests don't show some manners Jason sorry doing a lot of dick stuff All right, I'm sorry. We're doing a lot of this. Sorry, Jason, sorry. Doing a lot of the-

No more dick stuff. I put out the nice china. Sorry. The light-filled Garfield Welch's jelly china. That's the finest plate that you have is an old cancer-causing Garfield plate. Well, no, I think Joe put out the nice china for us by bringing us this special.

Nikki's 60th birthday Airdate November 13th 1988 You know perhaps some greater context for this. This was part of a broader Celebration of Mickey Mouse's birthday. This was you know, there were events Nationwide why in Disney World? We know that there was a new kind of mini land set up called Mickey's birthday land that ended up sticking around for a while They they there were already was the Mickey balloon going around the country

Your force one was one, but they did give it a new hat So his balloon got a new hat and that's good. That's a little stops to show off the hat across the country very Malibu Stacy We see the balloon at Niagara Falls the honeymoon capital of the world Special that's a funny thing. Yeah, does that remain true? Was that a thing from the past? Was that like a is that based on 1950s America? They've been to Niagara Falls in the last few years I don't know about it in the last few years. I don't know about it being the honeymoon capital of the world. That wouldn't be my choice.

Wouldn't take a lover there. Did you go to the bonkers area called Clifton Hill? Yeah. Oh, geez. Well, I don't want to get you off the specials front, but we do get requests every once in a while to talk Clifton Hill, where the boys haven't been, but I've been.

I feel like I maybe have asked you guys about Clifton Hill before Where the boys haven't been, but I've been. I feel like I maybe have asked you guys about Clifton Hill before, because when I saw it, like maybe I texted you, because it's just, you guys would love just how psychotic it is. Yeah. It's truly, it's like, I mean, it's like, I saw photos of it and I thought, I'm gonna like it here. Then I was there and I thought, I'm gonna throw up

from no alcohol, from just walking, from too many aesthetics being next to each other. In a single block, it's pretty. It's so condensed. Yeah, yeah. And distorted, like some of the signs are just so big, but like for a hotel, like it just,

it doesn't make any sense like spatially the way it works. And yeah, you know. And then kind of like the way it like climbs up a hill and is like just hard enough to walk around Like it's enough of an actual hike to be slightly exhausting and the weather might be very humid and insane too Depending on when you go. It's a place. Okay. Let's file that away Anyway, yeah further that's where yeah, there was the kind of off It wasn't officially licensed Spider-man ride, but it was mostly like plywood, I think. It seems right.

Dago paint and the WWE, the only ride. Oh, right, right, right. Yes, yeah, yeah. The drop tower. The pile driver. The pile driver. Yeah, which is now just a very normal gastropub with no ride mechanism on top. Anyway, the other one, and this this factors into

the special a little bit, you see it in the special, but I watched a broader press kit about Mickey's 60th and I remembered this odd piece of arcaneo which is cornfield Mickey that they set up in Iowa that they, now I don't remember if this is by planting two different types of corn or if it was a big clearance in which There is no corn but either way if you were in if you were in a plane flying over that exact spot in Iowa You would see Mickey's shape made in a corn field. They show it in the special, right? Yeah, same one. Yeah, they very quickly say it was corn and wheat I think oh, it's a mix of corn and I see okay, okay But the in the press kit I watched they said that it is 220 acres, which is bigger than Disneyland

It looks insane. It looks so big in the but I yeah, I would guess how big it is context Do we think that this endeavor put any further money in the company's pocket? Like how much attendance spikes due to the cornfield? So like a pilot in a crop duster would see it and go, well, I guess I gotta get the family to Disneyland or Disney World, Mickey's having his 60th. So how many crop dusters went over it in like the course of a year? And if you own a crop duster,

I don't know how far the crop duster can make it, how much fuel fits in that plane but if you if you have one you could just go right to Florida right you could just pull up to Disney World you could just park it in the RV park right outside Probably got a pretty small tank I'm guessing I don't know anything about planes

but I don't either no so maybe it just inspired the one crop duster responsible for that area to go to see Mickey at his house even one person if he passed the tradition on to his kids, then that's worth the effort. Presumably there would be news coverage locally, just be like, hey this thing is happening nearby. That's true. That's true. Yeah, have some footage of it.

Pretty cool. Mickey, I mean, were they covering it daily? Possibly. Update on the birdie course planting. Mickey crop circle. All right, the nose has been completed Right, so maybe, yeah But I was going to say the biggest part of this plan

I don't know if that's true A part of this plan was this special Maybe it is, just given the high caliber of comedy talent involved in this But maybe the most visible aspect of the 60th birthday plan was the special, which I felt compelled to read what IMDB wrote about at the synopsis, which is, on his 60th birthday, Mickey goes on a quest to find the magic inside himself.

Which, you know, they sprinkle that theme maybe three times throughout the special. It's about the beginning in the middle, and then in the end, when it's wrapped up very conveniently, like magic's inside you, okay, gotta go, happy birthday. No, it is so fast how that is brushed away. But I love the sort of Lord of the Rings-esque nature, I mean, you read that and you're imagining the three hour

film. Right, the promo from two weeks before, the way they phrased it was, John Ritter and Jill Eikenberry had an all-star mystery. Which is like... It's not quite the same marketing, but... Yeah, yeah. It is a... Yeah, there is a mystery involved, and I think... And I knew this special and I watched this special, but I think what hit me upon the rewatching was the

darkness. I don't think I realized. The melancholy, yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then the and then just the like the looming specter of murder. The word murder. Yeah, appears. More than once. More than once. More than zero really, which is where I would set the bar for a Disney special.

One of the big five is accused of murder. Yes. Of the other. Really, which is where I would set the bar for a Disney special one of the big five is accused of murder Of the other The murder victim and one is the killer the murderer and they don't I mean I guess Toy Story has that plot too Yeah, I feel like oh, yeah Much I don't know well maybe they sure mr. Potato head yells murderer and they do threaten to click hang woody. I guess with the edges. Yeah, that's right Yeah, pretty intense. So I guess it's that couple years after this thing and that's the lighter that's post the revisions if toy star What was this original? Oh the original one with the angry? Yeah angry like mean characters. Yeah

Yeah, did woody cut buzz how far did it go? Yeah, well the show that he you aren't bleeding They see that means you're a toy. Yeah, they tied him down and they tortured him They water-boarded buzz lightyear in the original Yeah, no, it's like so yeah, I don't know. I guess the language of it surprised me more. Yeah Yes, and then at some at times the tone despite a lot of this being pretty just goofy and silly Yeah, no, it's it's such a fun blend. There's a lot of this being pretty just goofy and silly. Yeah. No, it's such a fun blend. There's a lot of meat on the bone. I watched it on a YouTube channel called Progress City Public TV. There's a few versions of it on YouTube. You know, choose to your liking or whatever one has the

highest of quality. I don't think any of them do. There's an archive.org upload that I didn't watch, but they usually have a decent That's somebody who knows what they're doing enough to put it there. Yeah, to know about that. More of an archivist Alright, well, let's let's dive into it Mickey's 60th birthday We smash in well, okay. Wait, first of all, okay, so it's magical world of Disney It's not the theme. I like with the But it's all the visuals of the theme I like and I and we've talked about this opening before but something I never really hit Me till this viewing is the at some point you zoom into a window at the the then new

Disney MGM studios And it's I I don't think I'd ever Disney and James Studios and it's I don't think I'd ever stopped to ponder how much this image struck me as a child too is that you go through a window and then you're behind Mickey Mouse like a big kind of 3d a fide no righty mouse in a chair that says editor yeah and he is doing film editing personally edits everything on magical yeah who wouldn't want to get disappeared under that schedule it's doing the Steven Soderberg he

edits as he goes they shoot in the afternoon edits at night back to shoot that's just the faster way to do things yeah shoot it on modified iPhone Pro you know that's right yeah I mean I guess you Kevin Smith was doing that too on clerks too as I recall from watching the behind's right, yeah. I mean, I guess you and Kevin Smith was doing that too on Clerks too, as I recall from watching the behind the scenes, so.

Oh, okay. Mickey, I mean, maybe they all got it from Mickey. Yeah, Sean Baker, Kevin Smith, Soderbergh, they all. Mickey was the OG. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Oh, that's right, wait, Sean Baker won the Oscar for editor. Editor, yeah. That's a well, yeah, yeah, yeah,

no, without Mickey paving the way. Right. The star and the writer. Oh, yeah. And the editor himself. You would think he would have had an editor, but no. Yeah. He does it all don't trust anyone Make myself look good

Trust anybody. I know my angles people coming to look like shit. I'm sick of it I gave it to one guy one time and it's Carl Reiner in this special and this MF is live switching Mel Feliti in the special and this MF is live switching. Okay. Malfolini. Malfolini. Like once you get, well I guess first, once the intro's over and then you get an Eisner sequence. I was, obviously we're all big fans of Eisner intros. You do get a classic hello.

Past that, I would call this one of the more perfunctory Eisner intros, you do get a classic hello. Past that I would call this one of the more perfunctory Eisner intros unfortunately and it let me down a little bit but thankfully there was more Eisner to come and I think he more than makes up for it. And which is the one because he holds up a Mickey Mouse watch but what special is it where he's got the Mickey Mouse watch and Mickey has the Michael Eisner watch? That is a not so much a special as a thing they used in the parks and got the Mickey Mouse watch and Mickey has in her watch. One of the finest jokes ever. I did love it. I, it definitely gave me pause, cause I was like, wait a minute, which Mickey birthday was it that we watched with the K-pop group?

And that was the 90th a few years ago. Yeah, right. It wouldn't have been in this, I don't think. No, no. Less K-pop in 1988. Yeah, which means that Mickey's 100th will be coming up soon. Three years.

Pretty soon, yeah. Pretty soon, and, cause they've double dipped multiple times, cause they've done Walt's 100th birthday, 100th birthday of the studio, and now they get to do the 100th birthday of Mickey. Oh, yeah, yeah. I guess, yeah, when you got hundreds in the picture,

you gotta do as many hundreds as possible. But will it start to lose meaning when you say Disney 100? Right now, it means so much to all of us. Oh, yeah. And we've all privately reflected on what Disney 100 means to us. But will Mickey 100, are we scraping for parts at that point?

I don't know, I think if they do do Mickey 100, I think we gotta get some more cornfields set up so they have Mickey's head in it. Maybe 100 cornfields. Much bigger, the entire state of Iowa perhaps. Yeah, yeah, so you can see it from space. Yeah, or create a man-made island in the shape of Mickey's head.

Oh man, why haven't they done that before? It's the 100, you gotta go big. Yeah. Do you think, do you blow up an existing island and like cut off parts of it so that it's only those parts of the shape? Or do you merge a few, do you terraform? I think you, well, it's a couple parts,

if we're really gonna think this through, is I think you have to go to the bottom of the ocean with a big landmass, you have to set some explosives and blow up and separate the big land mass from the bottom of the ocean so it rises up. And then at that point you terraform that and then things grow there and you have to then shave it down. Kind of a Superman returns approach.

Exactly. Perfect. Land, real estate scheme. Lex Luthor real estate scheme. But anyway then I just wanted to get Eisner out of the way so that we can go to- I think this is partially, having then watched the special, I was like, I think that Eisner,

it was to establish, remember Fantasia? Like he brings up Fantasia and I think that was like a little bit of like, okay. Just to guide all ages into what this special is gonna be you know Here's some like merch and then like who could forget Fantasia Oh, right right right and may also may be a reminder of the merch He kind of is like a living kind of QVC for a minute there Uh-huh yeah as much as he can a sweatshirt we all like that doesn't have one if you don't you're weird

Yes, all of us all good Americans own Mickey Mouse items. When it got back to him though with the sweatshirt, I was a little like, wasn't he just wearing his suit? And then I realized what he was talking about. I was like, it threw me a little because it's just not commented on. That was me. I edited that. My magic.

The magic inside me. You can put on reality issues and the people with the power of non-linear editing. Yeah, that was, we now know that was Mickey who did that edit. Yeah, yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, no, and somebody else would have messed up the timing or just been too straight with it. That's why he cuts it himself. But then, yeah, then we go to, like the way you smash into the story is very strange, just straight to frustrated live TV director Mel Fellini as portrayed by Carl Reiner, a hell of a star to start it off with, like true legit legend. Philini, of of course I assume is a Joke about the director. Yeah, and is Mel not to the character from the Dick Van Dyke show Mel Cooley It could be you think I like how you like. All right, I'll say the Fellini thing is I have to

Richard Deacon Mel Cooley from the Dick Van Dyke show, Alan Brady played by Carl Reiner's right-hand man who gets made fun of mercilessly the whole time he's ever on screen. All right. They said, will you name this character? He's got to be a real weak beta. Mel always worked. That's right. The Fellini name and nod reminded me of when I did

a branded Funny or Die video for the TV series The Paul Reiser Show. This video was shot between the airing, the, I think between the last that it aired and the next time that it aired, the show was canceled. So it was a Thursday and a Thursday, and we were filming a thing on a Sunday It was a Hail Mary to try to if we get this up and make it go viral Maybe it'll save the show and very quickly did not

But I remember he was pretty nice to me throughout But I do I like he was wrapping up a conversation and I was trying to get his attention then he turns to me and like All right. Well, mr. Bertolucci. What do we? up a conversation and I was trying to get his attention then he turns to me and like all right well mr. Bertolucci what do we uh nice do I like that or do I not like it it stayed in my head I guess I found it he got under your skin lightly gone yeah yeah I think so but that is where it becomes click bait you know now I know now it becomes a headline oh yeah it's gonna be like some sort of like clickbait aggregate service where it's just like a picture of you Like this and then like Paul Reiser like director blasts Paul Reiser right?

Wait up the show though. Yeah. Yeah, no, it'd be good for publicity. Yeah. Yeah What? What did he call you again? Mr. Bertolucci said a nod to Italian film director Bernardo Bertolucci Or is it Stephen Bertolucci. Is that a nod to Italian film director Bernardo Bertolucci? Or is it Steven Bertolucci? It's a different Bertolucci. Was that a long-winded approach to prove that you knew Bertolucci's first name? I mean kind of. I don't really know his work very well, but I know he's up there. No, nor do I. That's why, and that's really what frustrated me is look before the headlines start heading there

It was really that I couldn't spar with him I couldn't say a birdie title back because if I was just a humble maker of viral videos You should have thrown like an act like an obscure like actor like foreign film actor back at him or something That would have been the move, but now I don't have an example for you. Mm-hmm Scanning room scanning room. I mean I look like I can try but it's gonna be embarrassing Yeah, you know, I guess you could have been like I guess that makes you the last Emperor Yeah, all right That's right. Oh, there you go. That's good

Back to said last Emperor If only I had some of Mickey's magic to take me back there. Yeah Car writers funny and fine. I don't he's kind of like yeah He's like live switching a special and they're using there's a lot of like Reuse of clips and yeah, yeah like like old shorts and like as if he's live queuing Clara cluck to go out there and put on a hates. hates. Yeah, he cannot stand. He hates this. Here we go. Chicken.

But Mel Fellini is, Mel Fellini maybe is like a lightly sexist character, but you can't put any of that on Karl Reiner. No, sure, it's playing a character. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He's Mel Fellini. Mel might also be a non to his dear best friend, Mel Brooks.

Oh, you're right. It's possible as well. Oh, that's, yeah, that is funny, I was just saying, he thinks Mel is a weak name and then I forgot. He's gotta be his best friend. Those are his real feelings were coming through. Right, maybe. Although maybe he likes the character Mel Fellini too.

I was gonna say like in the comedy world during his era, it just kind of felt like anybody you met was named Mel. Like it's a good sh short hand for like who's a behind-the-scenes who's a Mel Tolkien who's like who are the other writers and Directors of comedy. Mm-hmm. You know, yeah or just show biz ETA, you know, you're you're a blank and you're made Not a lot. There's not not a lot of showbiz Mel's I don't feel Period is it just are people afraid of the name due to a extremely of showbiz mels, I don't feel. Not a lot of mels, period. Is it just are people afraid of the name due to an extremely prominent showbusiness mel?

Who maybe you don't want yet, if you're naming a child, you don't want that child to take after that mel? Mel B from the Spice Girls. Oh, that's true. There you go. Well, it's on women to reclaim it. And C, there were two mels. Oh yeah, you're right, of course.

That's why we know the initial. Of course. That's why the initials are just high the male penetration of the spice girls yes right so that's England's keeping it alive yeah yeah they brought a funkier spin to it yeah those are foreign actors you could have alright scary spice it oh yeah if that it works is mr. Bertolucci oh yeah well I guess I guess so you know that makes you scary spice, you would have got you to pin drops everyone. What did that joke mean? You're gonna trust this guy to finish the sacred promo for the Paul riser show. Yeah Anyway, so

It's like a live Mickey birthday special that is fraught with problems and the stress of Melfalene. You cut to Mickey backstage getting ready for his appearance. He's wearing some cool clothes. Oh, I love his. Street clothes. Casual Mickey, yeah. This did make me, this suddenly I had a bunch of questions

because was Mickey looking differently, not just on stage being cued by Carl Ranamelfellini, right? We were to believe that there was a Mickey, a different era Mickey, on stage doing his dance routine and Carl. But when we cut to Mickey backstage, he's in his street clothes, he's kind of acting like he hasn't just been on stage. He's not like doing a wardrobe change. And then I was like, are there in this world, are there different Mickeys alive to represent the different Mickey's of the design era? But there was like, no, we obviously the Mickey gets missing in this special. I just had,

I had a lot of questions about like, yeah, how riders like we need Mickey's and you just had Mickey. We need Mickey. It's like, you just had Mickey. Like, we need a big showstopper finale. Well, what if that was another character that was Scrooge McDuck in a Mickey costume, in the costume of Mickey Mouse circa 1938? Yeah. I have a feeling the answer to this question

is that they didn't think too hard about it. Yeah, certainly that's the answer. With the assumption that no one would be watching it or thinking about it past November 13th. But yes, it's interesting because the anim, I mean, I don't know, I don't wanna call the animation shitty, but it is cheap-ish. It's not their like top tier animation of Mickey as well.

And that's the strange thing about this is the like the aesthetic blends are strange. There's a lot of shot on film and looks really nice, but then the animation is just it's very TV. I feel like it must have been done by like yeah, yeah, like Disney afternoon kind of, but then it'll also enter, then it's news broadcast for a lot of it, which is more video, but then they will interview people who are shot on their style of film from their show. Yes, but sometimes you get a three-camera sitcom film, single camera, and so there's a slight change in that way, and obviously, so much of this, they are hoping that you will just be wowed by the Roger Rabbit-style interaction

between animation and live action. When we see Mickey in his dressing room He lifts open his chest of of props and that's a practical live chest But he is animated and that's supposed to be and then everything that comes out of it is animated Yes, I mean it is interesting and then as it goes on I mean very soon after this we get like Cartoons interacting with gigantic prop like yeah like like sky-high props It's also like I don't don't get me wrong It's so much better than the 90th special was even though Mickey does do the kpop dance that I love but any any drone Does he drum in that one? Yeah?

I also love but that's in the studio and it's very, this thing is like an odyssey. And it had really different genres and different types of media. That's what's fun about it. Yes. And I wish they would do something weird. It's an expansive story with expansive styles

and original, like maybe today you're getting somebody of the caliber of Carl Reiner to read off a teleprompter for 30 seconds, right? He's not inventing an original character. Yeah, no through the entire Hour-long special. Yeah, this is this is like full of like new characters. Yeah Yeah, you get to and you like make sense you get their dynamics, you know, yeah He's anchors like it's very clear what's going on with all of them Yeah, they did you guys catch when Mel Fellini says I turned down the new monkeys for this. Yes, I did Yeah, I'm curious that I'm the only one who didn't make sense. I did it

Yes, it didn't jump down to it to you guys for sure. I was trying to parse out that joke Yes, because it's I had to even look up the new monkeys. Yeah. Yeah. Such now an obscure thing that like, I didn't even have, I think I would assume I would have like known about. There was that? There was a new monkeys TV show. And I can't, and it was not successful.

It was only a season. So is the joke, am I thinking too much on this? Is it like the joke that it was a failed thing? Is it a joke? Because it's just a funny thing to reference, which I think is probably what it is. But I was like, it was the new monkeys I think people were talking about.

I have no frame of reference. Because he says what, I turned down the new monkeys for this? When Donald comes out and kind of starts to interrupt the proceedings, because we established that he's a heel in this. turn down the new monkeys for this? When Donald comes out and kind of starts to interrupt the proceedings, because we established that he's a heel in this. I mean, if you're unpacking the joke,

he thinks what he's working on is awful. He could have been doing the new monkeys. So he thinks that that's great. But that had already- Which I think the joke is, yeah, that that sucked. Yeah, right. So he's an idiot. Okay, yeah.

I think, before following the logic of it. Was it like an notorious bomb? Was it like the equivalent of saying G. Lee or Ishtar or something? Yeah, I think so. I feel like, well, he's on a multi-week road trip right now so I can't ask him. But I feel like Tom Sharpling told a story

about auditioning for that, maybe at an open call. Which yeah, they definitely did. Not unlike the original monkeys, they did grueling auditions with tons of people that they went through rounds and rounds to try to find these new monkeys. It was really important, because we would be living with these new monkeys

for years and years to come. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta make sure we get it, where we can't just pick four random guys whose names are immediately forgotten. I think it's time to try again. I think it's time to try again I think it's time to try a new Or I don't know I don't understand how you haven't been out there pitching new monkeys new new new

Oh my god, I would love you were born to play. Absolutely It is maybe a little old at this point, but the new monkey the newer monkeys could be older They don't have to be like 25 years living in a house. They're older The first time not very old but they're older. Yeah, that's the thing. That's that makes this different It's like men of a certain age old Show I thought you meant the show no I thought you meant the show. No, no. I mean, the characters in the show, I think, were like 50s, 60s. Was that what you were thinking of the new old monkey? I think, well, if I'm in it, I'm not there.

Oh, you want 40s. What Mike is pitching is whatever age we are should be the target. Whatever age you will be by the time the development process is over. Yes. That's the bullseye. Okay, okay. Yeah, over. Yes, right. That's the bullseye. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah Anyway, uh, no, I missed that entirely and I missed the new monkeys entirely. I fear that they will haunt this Podcast like a specter from now on having been mentioned monkeys to talk on the show did in general

I feel like so we'll see I'll let Jason break the tie on this one How much more monkeys talk would you like, Jason? I'm intrigued. Well, I feel like I could go either way. Well, we're gonna have to both suck up to him off. Do either side have a candy bar for me? Help me, my honey. I will buy you a bag of 100 grand bars.

100 grand? Yeah, that's pretty good. How many grand are we talking in total? Ooh, gotta be 20 in that bag. We're talking 20. 2. 100 grand? Yeah, that's pretty good. How many grand are we talking in total? Oof, gotta be 20 in that bag. We're talking 20. 2000 grand. 2000 grand. Yeah, give me that full grand total.

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a sorcerer's hat in that moment. The sorcerer's hat. The sorcerer's hat, I guess, yeah, yeah. So then, but if you start wearing the sorcerer's hat in that moment. The Sorcerer's hat. The Sorcerer's hat, I guess, yeah, yeah. So then, but you know, if you start wearing the Sorcerer's hat, you know who's gonna show up. Not the Sorcerer. Yeah, I had to like quickly Google, I was like, is this an established guy?

Because I don't think this is, I haven't seen Fantasia in a really long time. I don't think he's in the movie, but who's the Sorcerer? I looked it up. You know, his name's Yen Din? Yen Sid? Oh, Yen Sid.

Yen Sid. And you know what that is, right? Flip that around. Disney. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, well, this is definitely not him. No, no, it's a completely unrecognizable, he looks more like the giant

from Mickey and the Beanstalk or something. Yeah. I don't know who this is. Who the hell is this guy? Why does he care if Mickey's wearing that hat? At first I thought it was casual Yen Sid and I'm like, that hair's not right. No, no, none of the features are correct.

Did they ever do like a casual 80s Yen Sid? You know, like Mickey's wearing like 80s like Miami Vice outfit here, but wouldn't it be like if Yen Sid was just in tailspin or something, hanging out by you or something. Members only jacket. Right. You'd look good in it. Chilling out. Yeah, I'd see it.

Would make sense. Shaved a little bit if he's in a humid atmosphere. Maybe you don't want that long hair. Yeah. Maybe just like a Disney afternoon cartoon where like Yen Sid is a cop or something. The new Yen Sid adventures. And I mean, I think he would, if they really like, because this feels like softened for 7 p.m. NBC, we need someone who's maybe not as like, kind of frightening looking. That feels like who this sorcerer is supposed to be.

People watching will be like, oh yeah, I guess that's the sorcerer. I don't currently have the internet, it is 1988. I'm just gonna go ahead with this idea that this is the sorcerer. There's no way on earth to watch the movie Fantasia if I wanted it right now, so it may as well be, yes. Is there any, I should know this, but like,

Mickey pulls that hat out so quickly. And like, he doesn't often do that. Like, I don't recall on any other shorts where he's just like, oh yeah, I have this hat. Yeah, where is that thing that gives me? Yeah for some reason he just pulls it out and wields the power like nothing feels are magic Yeah, but it's later. It's an attraction much later. Yeah, there's much later. So is this the first time he's like brought it back Because this would be a big like in the Marvel universe of it all these days, this would be a big moment.

Oh my God, the hat is back. It'd be like the infinity gauntlet and people would be going fucking nuts. There'd be reaction videos online. Mickey's hat, ah! Like people going crazy. A whole bar is watching it on a big screen. Oh yeah.

Losing their shit. Get the hat! Oh my God. But I wonder, yeah, how often did he pull the hat out? And maybe this was the start of him pulling the hat back out once in a while. Pre-Fantasmic 2, yeah, how often did he pull the hat out? And maybe this was the start of him pulling the hat back out once in a while. It's pretty phantasmic too, yeah, yeah. I don't know, yeah, is this the official reintroduction

of the hat in the Mexican? They don't milk it. It's not like you get it. No, it's not milk at all. You get a close up shot of it slowly coming out and revealing the full thing. They didn't take care of their famous objects and hats like they do in modern cinema.

You know, that's all it is now is some old hat being trotted out and a zoom into the hat. Yes. Most movies are about taking a big dusty blanket off of a hat and putting it on and everybody in the audience being, oh my gosh, if you're an H's movie that didn't have a hat, there's frankly no reason for you to be remade. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, well I guess it's, no, it's not given the gravity that it should be, and Mickey doesn't give the gravity that he should, because he doesn't try to save the world

with it or anything, he doesn't have to put on a better show and fails immediately. Everything goes haywire, and the guys, so this non-entity sorcerer who nobody's met before is just, is furious. Immediate opposition. And he says, you know better than to use someone else's magic, you have your own.

Right, which I was like, hmm. I don't know, I mean, I guess we'll learn about this later. This is unresolved. I don't quite understand. That, I guess we'll learn about this later. This is unresolved. I guess quite understand Yes, that's what you were saying at one Staring quizzically, um, then you're we're kind of back and forth between a stage manager looks a little familiar As well as then the character Roger Rabbit and when these characters start talking to each other you realize that they sound very

Similar right and the stage manager you're looking at is Charles Fleischer voice of Roger Rabbit Charles Fleischer factored very much into the 35th anniversary special that we talked about This is many many roles. This is hot off of Roger Rabbit. Yes. It was so recent. Yes that was in June 88. This is November 88 and this in fact I looked I was curious this is the first other thing that Roger Rabbit appeared in. This is them trying to jam him into something as fast as they can. Because they had a hit. Yeah. Right? This was that time where it was things were not sticking for Disney and like suddenly we've got this new character. Let's write you some

Little mermaid yeah, yeah, they have not know they sure they had splash, but it's harder to put splash into things Michaelizer tried yeah, yeah Put it in the name of that mountain was there ever did, did he ever introduce Splash on TV or something? You must, oh yeah definitely. I think I've run across that one. Did you? I do, okay. And then there was also the movie Splash 2, which was made for TV? I was scrolling through what played on this, in this time slot with the magical world of Disney and Splash 2 had definitely been, it was a two week part of the thing.

Oh, wow, it's a part of it. You only got one hour per week, so that was a new part of the series. This is a one hour spot, wow, wow. Hence this being an hour, okay. But Michael Iserman was not like a merman in the intro or something. No, he wasn't. He wasn't that level.

Yeah, like, yeah, her, yeah, Daryl Hannah's father. In a big Yen Sid S. Mr. Splash, hello, I'm Mr. Splash. Splash's father. Her name was Splash, right? Yeah, that's the assumption I'm making. I've never seen it. No, I hesitated and switched to saying Darryl Hannah because I was gonna get caught in thinking that her name is Splash, but now that we've all agreed her name is Splash, that's what it is. Mr. Splash. Uh-huh. Is it bad?

And I'm Mr. Splash. Hello, Splash. Splash senior. Splish. I'm Splish Splashing. I'm Mr. Splash. Uh-huh. They're dead. And I'm Mr. Splash. Splash. Senior. I'm Splish Splashing. I'm Mr. Splash. First name Splish. Splish. Splish Splashman.

Splish Splash. Chairman and CEO of the Kingdom of Atlantis. Anyway, so Roger, yeah, Roger Rabbit's in here. Roger Rabbit tries to help the show. I mean, Charles Fleischer so he's like you need to go on Mickey also I can't find the cake which is perfect right yeah a thing that was not a concern no one had even talked about it and then suddenly this is also a thing that I am struggling with everything in

this special no tracks are laid as soon as something is needed it is it is said and then it happens This stage manager might be bad at their job. Although I do like their cool outfit. Yeah I know I like I like yeah, I like glossy jacket. I love shiny glossy jacket for sure Anyway, this leads to Roger advocates. Does he get like hit with something? He's kind of woozy and then yes a, like a classic sandbag on a rope, on a pulley that you have to have if you are backstage, the TV special backstage. Bonks him in the head, he sees stars and he's not,

I mean, Roger Rabbit's already pretty goofy. Yeah. Now that he's gotten bonked. Now that he's in period. Post-bonk. Does he have, does the bump happen on his head too? Yeah, it does. Totally, totally.

Uh-huh, uh-huh. So he head too? Yeah, totally. Totally, totally. Uh huh, uh huh. Right. So he ends up putting a piece of dynamite into cake. That's the backstage dynamite. Don't touch that, you know? We keep that back there in an open box with two sticks of TNT. Just don't, it's not, come on Roger. If it's not your prop, don't touch it.

That's how things go missing. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, so Mickey comes out and tries to like, give the show some pizzazz. This is our first reveal of what the crowd looks like. This isn't like a TV studio. This is at Disneyland for what feels like a stadium audience.

Yeah, it's an amount of people that Unsettled me when I was younger whenever I first saw it's like a distressing amount of people Yeah, tens of thousands. It's how it feels those turn over where they did it maybe Videopolis it might write maybe where would fit that amount of people like it's videopolis but yeah it makes you wonder what the rest of the show was because it's just a stage with 100 balloons and seemingly not much had happened until Mickey Mouse appeared.

And it didn't seem like Mickey had a plan of what he was going to do. That was my question. What is, if Mickey's your headliner, does he sing? I don't really think of Mickey Mouse as like a singer. Like I guess he does, but like is that his talent? No, he sings a little. Yeah, but like is that what you put

in your headlining showstopper? Like does he do a dance? And also again, he's coming out in what looks like street clothes. Like this jacket with the sleeves rolled up. He kind of looks like a standup comic from the late 80s. That's true, yeah. You know, like long sleeve polo underneath and.

Oh, he just screams. This era of Mickey just screams in a mic like Sam Kennes. Oh, this is his Kenneth Sin era, right? Yeah. Right. I mean, you say he doesn't sing, but there is a point in this. I wonder if I can land on it real quick. Oh, I think I can.

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distressing he's torturing those hot dogs mm-hmm funny clip I thought yes yeah when it's funny I think of Walt Disney himself doing that. I got the worst teeth frame right here Yeah, oh, yeah, those things are ready to like fall out It looks like his eyes it looks like you put an old like I guess it's a Simpsons joke an old man's dentures into a dog's mouth Really looks odd like that. Yeah fit. Yeah, they're just way too big for the space Yes, so much larger person and mouth proportions. This is why we need fluoride in the water That's what Mickey's teeth my place Looks like he has like his plastic surgeon talked him into like big veneers or something Yes, just don't open your mouth in public, but on camera it's going to be perfect.

Yeah, it looks good. Her reeds are good from the back road in AMC. I'm having a lot of people to my 60th birthday party. So the people way in the back, it's going to work for them. What if I smile at a kid? He's going to have nightmares for a year at least. Don't let any kids to be up close. I don't want that anywhere. Errrr. Then, as far as the interaction between this gigantic live audience and then the cartoon elements, Mickey, like, he makes this cake bigger?

Correct. Right, so, you know, obviously there's this, yeah, he's using his powers to yeah make this cake huge yes and still not that big when they're just kind of as big as him which makes it weird that when then when you cut to the cake that okay it's that the dynamite explodes yeah right Rogers trying to Rogers making he's destroying the set trying to put out the dynamite, right? Yeah, huge walls of giant fake presence are all collapsing And then we see some real some real things like the sign the practical falls. Oh, yeah

Charles Fleischer is pulling on a rope trying to stop him making it worse And then at one point Carl Reiner's like what where's the stage manager doing and we see Charles Fleischer on the phone with his With his sweetheart making kissy noises, but then you're like I thought he was pulling the rope That was the whole thing to make Roger swing. He would fall if there was no one on there anyway They you know all the all this is kind of happening and then Yeah, Mickey is Actually I so it explodes and then Mickey is like,

he reverses, that's what it is, right? The dynamite explodes, the cartoon cake turns into real cake. Yes. Which I bet that was fun. Well, and that's the, like that freaks me out still on some level, seeing a cartoon cake blow up and then cutting to an audience just getting pummeled by- Splash zone style.

Yeah, but by a cake that feels like, it's like 10 times the amount of cake that that cake could hold. And there's something kinda, it goes slow-mo, there's something almost violent about it, it almost feels like ashes or something. It's an upsetting part to me still to this day. When you were, I had a thing when I was a kid,

especially like the hook scene with the food fight, things like that, I felt, I didn't like it when I would a kid, especially like the hook scene with the food fight, yeah, things like that. I felt I didn't like it when I would see people in like a food fight and people would get messy even though I like double dare and stuff. But some of it like the pie pod, I've said this before, made me uncomfortable, but I did want to get in the pie pod. There was a weird thing. So I do have a thing like I I'm comfortable with it now, but I can feel, I can feel it in my child brain of like when people get pummeled with cake

I don't care for it exactly. I like, and I'm not saying this is your, this has anything to do with your or my feeling or any of our feelings, but when there is that shot, like when there's kind of twin shots of too much cake landing on these people, I'm like, I was watching it thinking, I think this is someone's fetish and I don't know what it is. I don't know what I don't know how it becomes one But there's something That's just him that's just how much he wants To explode on when you bring up the hook food fight scene, I was like, oh yeah, that is kind of grotesque.

Yeah, what did you think about it when you were a kid? I don't think I liked it. Both because it was kind of gross, and also like they're gonna get in trouble having a food fight. I feel like the food fights at my schools did not last very long. Did you have them?

I don't remember a single food fight. Every now in that it was like someone threw something someone else threw it back and then they just Immediately got screamed at okay, because yeah, I don't know what's next sitcoms would have you believe very common Adults are powerless in this situation Trays like cowards they get they get hit with like aate and they'll have nothing to. They're like one mic. High behind trays like cowards. They get hit with like a sandwich and they're like incapacitated by it. No, no, yeah, that's like they got hit with a bullet in the center of the forehead.

They're done. You get mashed potatoes on your glasses, you're out. Yeah. But you lost a leg. I was praying that Jason was like, yeah, every week we would have a whole cafeteria wide food fight. Didn't happen though. Well, I eat in this special when they reverse

the footage and the cake comes off. Oh yeah. Well, my first reaction was, Hey, get that back. I was eating that. If someone ate a little, would it like get pulled out of their mouth? Around. Or all the way out of their stomach. Yeah. Dude. Yeah.

Would it be yanked fully? God, that's a disturbing. On one of these ticketed nights, could they recreate this at the Videopolis stage and explode a cake and shoot it into the audience like that? Yeah. I would do it. Yeah, no, I'd stand there for you,

despite our strange feelings about the entire affair. No, it's good to confront your fears. That's how we're the only way to move on yeah so Yeah, that's the stage is collapsed. It's all a disaster Mickey uses his magic to reverse the damage But then he just makes the cake grow much much much bigger. It's a drunk on his power. He's desperate He knows he's not supposed to use this hat, but he's like I this I have to reverse all this guy Whose name I don't know said don't use it. Yeah

Well, that wasn't it was he and since brother your he was always had to your Tut-tut on the crazy All right shorthand he's your now just for our purposes All right shorthand he's your now just for our purposes Just your casual your but it's not me saying the word why oh you are that's us saying it's why oh all right Don't get confused Anyway, it's also a really weird POV shot of the audience from the point of view of the cake like a really like odd You could just tell the audience. I think directing these this audience must have been a tough endeavor I hope this audience at least got free tickets oh like well we need you for a

couple hours but then you can have them around to the park because you paid money and you're like all right we got to do it again okay and one more time for safety actually we weren't rolling on that so let's do it again. Reset! Reset! Clean the cake. It's so hot! Anyways, this continues to go awry. Mickey... He's got stars, he's got confetti. Yeah, he's controlling the... he is God now. Yeah, and he's loving it. Yes, yeah. They're loving it, everybody's loving it. What could go wrong? Well, I guess what goes wrong is that he lightnings himself and then disappears. And sort of a back to the future in reverse in a way. And as far as our world knows, Mickey Mouse is gone.

No one knows where he is. And Scott, I hate to correct you, he wasn't using his magic. He was using stolen magic. This is very important. If it was his magic, it wouldn't have been a problem. His magic is good and pure. Stolen magic can never be. Could the hat have been a metaphor for the false confidence of cocaine?

Oh, it's the time, you know. And all that powder exploding out. Scott Garen might have been making a bigger statement, the writer, co-writer, director. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yes. The director of this is Scott Gare which is what Garen that's what someone says about that's that what someone calls me when they aren't sure of my name Scott Garen it's like when places or publications just call us the ride podcast and it's like you know technically most look that's fine close publications just call us the ride podcast. You know technically most look that's fine close enough. Tony Baxter called us the ride guys.

Before Universal started having that. He can call us whatever he wants. Scott Garan by the way went on to direct the movie Treasure Island the Adventure Begins. The movie that played exclusively in Treasure Island the Hotel in Vegas when it opened. You aware of this Joe? No, this was I mean I of course looked at Scott Garan's IMDB. What I learned is that he and Joey Albrecht, who was the co-writer, they made their name packaging commercials as TV specials in the early 80s. Something at the time people were like,

people, no, people hate commercials. And they were like, what about we compile the greatest commercials into a TV special? And a lot of networks passed, because they were like, again, no, commercials are the thing that no one wants. But then it was a huge success. They made a bunch of them and they got,

they ended up doing the stuff for Disney. And became in with Disney. They did totally mini, uh simply mad about the mouse such as music video thing and then uh yeah the movie uh where pirates actually come to life in treasurer all in the hotel with the acting by Steve Wynn himself uh highly recommended i think the same runtime i think i get that's a that's a good 45 minutes just just like this. Okay, so now we switch formats entirely and we start dealing with an

anchor on network news, the name that's on the wall, John Ritter is a news anchor who takes us through what now is happening to the world in real time where Mickey Mouse has disappeared and nobody knows where he is. Right. You know, this isn't quite in order, but he is Dudley Good, his co-anchor played by Jill Eichenberry, his Nia Loud, together they are good and loud. Solid. They are our guides through most of this. Now we don't abandon the first zone of the special and its aesthetics because they interview

Mel Fellini. Of course. Go to the man's experience. He had cameras all around. Right. Oh yeah, yeah. in the first zone of the special in its aesthetics because they interview Mel Fellini. Of course, go to the man who's parents had cameras all around. Right. He should be the one to see it. He would know more than anybody, although he doesn't in particular.

Everyone seems vexed by whatever has happened here. They check in with Mel Fellini a fair amount, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, no, kind of a high amount of presence in this. What actually has happened, once we go to Mickey's, and then like a park or something, the rules of this are, he, no wait, he didn't, he's in our world.

Yes. This is, oof, okay. He goes to the sorcerer's house for a moment. Yeah. And the sorcerer is like, yeah, yeah, I warned you, you know, you can't, you know, the magic has to come from within, and I'm gonna curse you to so that no one will know who you are You must walk the earth When everyone can see you you're not a ghost and it's not a it's a wonderful life

They're around they did this at the end of the most recent spider. Yes. Oh, oh But nobody will the people yeah they're gonna be like I don't think I know who you are okay which is unsettling and that's what he wants that's what's better and wants yes for you okay yes yeah he wants it to save the world he doesn't really want send I not to know him but oh it's a Zendaya to yeah well again it's the specials very pioneering and that it calls that. Um, it's very strange that it's a world where Mickey Mouse does exist.

Everyone knows there is Mickey Mouse, and they know what he looks like. He's real. But, what? Yes. Yeah, and he's a real guy. That too. He's not just, it's not our world where he's a cartoon character, he's real. Yes. Um, though they also talk about a history where Walt Disney drew him But it's more those rules of he was like drawn and then he looked a little jumped off the page drawn. Okay, okay similar to our world, but but not entirely and

Mickey Mouse can walk up to people and say hi. I'm Mickey Mouse and they say bullshit. You're not right You are someone who looks exactly like him up here There's there's allusions to him wearing Mickey ears. Sometimes. Mm-hmm say that right sometimes people are like, yeah I mean, I guess you do look like him. But yeah, everyone is just kind of like get out of here You little asshole, you know what they are The contempt everyone is just so worried about Mickey and then they will not give this guy any credibility. They're like, not now, motherfucker.

He approaches perfectly nice and meek everywhere he goes. But how dare he? How dare, like Mickey Mouse, this is the biggest news story in the world. Mickey Mouse is missing and this guy, this nobody is being like, I'm actually Mickey. Yeah. Yeah read the room Yeah, really get away disrespectful. What's enough? I can't conjure like a someone who went missing for a while But if you were if it was one of the big story bird, baby

Yeah, oh my god If you well like imagine like I don't know like Jason starts walking around claiming that he's the linden baby But that was the summer of 2012 Guy now yeah, I'm like the closest thing I can think of is Patty Hearst was kidnapped by the Simi needs liberation army before the photo showed up And then she did when they did see her she was different. Oh, yeah, she was like Stockholm or whatever she was going on with. But it's like the world got stockholmed.

It's a reverse Patty Hearst where it's everyone but Patty Hearst. Right, right. Everyone got symbionese. As they say. The mysterious sorcerer, Yor. So his first encounter I think is with and forget yeah correct me if I'm skipping or well you do I mean you know what you do get to see is minis reaction

to this happen oh yeah you see many have to do a live interview yeah it's possible and nobody said this out loud yet, but everybody's got to be thinking a little bit Perhaps Mickey Mouse is dead Right and you want and that's the conclusion that she's jumped to because she's worried and you see kind of how it would actually Play out. She kind of just cries non comedic. Yes. I mean it's yeah It's woohoo, but it's real. It's very, like it plays out what would happen. Yeah, it does. But I think, maybe I'm wrong,

but it feels like they thought that was gonna be a comedic beat, but it was a sad beat. It's depressing. And also they cut to Mickey, Minnie Mouse, not in a house. They cut to her like in a blue void, got a long table, and on the table is a picture of Mickey Mouse,

a big key. and on the table is a picture of Mickey Mouse, a big key. Oh yeah. There's a big, like a point and click CD-ROM game. She is just sitting there with her diary, a picture of Mickey Mouse, and a big key. Yeah. What the hell is the key? What the hell is the key for?

Did he give that to her as a key? Is this canon? The key to my heart? Is this? Is that the key to his safe deposit box at the bank? She's assuming he's gone? She's on her. She's collecting money now.

She's making quick work. Or was it just a background they already had ready to go? With the key on the thing. Is it just an element? It's going to take too much work and money and time to get rid of this key. We have a long table with a key on it. We're already spending all our money

on the framed photograph. The shot is due at the end of the day. All right, yep, key sounds good. Key's fine, yeah. The key is in. She'd have a key, she uses keys. Yeah, who doesn't? It's Minnie.

Cartoon character. Does that sound weird to you? Yeah, it doesn't sound weird to me. No, it doesn't. Big silly key. Oh, maybe it's an odd to Mickey. It, it doesn't sound weird. Big silly key. Oh, maybe it's not Mickey, it's in his name. Yeah.

Okay, okay. Well, she's a professional too, probably media trained. She would probably give some thoughts on Mickey's beard. No, we need just loop the animation of her crying. Yeah, before this we do, we get our first like montage and the first John Ritter thing he's like, hey, here's some basic context on who Mickey is and we get like, oh, yes, catch everybody up on Mickey and his whole deal.

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But so this, apparently the premise of this, at the end of Three's Company, John Ritter meets a woman. He proposes to her. She says no because she doesn't want to repeat her parents' tumultuous relationship and divorce. So then she's like, but I have this place. Why don't you move in with me? And it's above John Ritter's restaurant is Bistro.

And I believe the three is a crowd, and that context refers to him, the woman, and her father, who eventually is a rich guy and he buys the building. This is, how can they follow up one where it's like there's two girls and he might have sex with any of them at any time with an old rich dad

Remotely is appealing Everybody might find Older man that might be funny What if he's like older but you know in his 40s, maybe I like to reach company But it gets rid of the ladies more done. That's what I think we've done that been there Areos of all the mistaken identities played out Yeah I looked up to see if John Ritter was on an NBC show at this time just because oh trying to get a sense of like

Jill Aguilera was on LA law at the time right right for NBC. He was on a show called Hooper man Hooper man anyway,. He was on a show called Hooper Man. Hooper Man? Anyway, it was on ABC though. So he was on a TV show this time, but I guess he was in it for the love of the game or the paycheck. It was just things, the wires are more crossed at this time.

None of it made sense. This is post three is a crowd pre-problem child. Mm-hmm. And pre-Stay Tuned, but also predates all of the TV genre hopping of Stay Tuned. A movie that I'll always be convinced is good, even though I am sure that it is not. But sometimes you see things at the right age and you can't unlearn. But we get the first commercial break after Charles Fleischer is the stage manager, also the janitor, I guess. He's cleaning up the mess, doesn't recognize Mickey.

Oh no, get out of here. Commercial break, here are the commercials from my team. Oh yes, from your copy, yes. McDonald's presents Holiday Hugable Muppet Babies. You guys are very good. Yeah, I still have a few. Yeah, I still have a few. I still have those, yeah.

That commercial also features some new animated footage of the Muppet Babies. Wow. A Delta Airlines commercial where an attendant goes the extra mile of just kind of waiting around at baggage claim with a lady who's getting picked up by her son. There's a lot of earnest jingles still in the late 80s.

This would change within a few years, but you get a lot of like someone singing we love to fly and it shows. For like Delta Airlines. And then learning about the rest of the primetime schedule on NBC, Back to the Future network premiere at 8.30 that night after Family Ties. So double dose of Michael J. Fox.

Oh, wow. Yeah, and then back to the special. Well, the dose you get of him in this is a weak dose Yeah, it makes you ask questions about What they originally wrote? Yes. Yeah. Yeah That's my I think my only Trumpian. Let's go back to the 80s is earnest songs in commercials Yeah, I think I would I think I'd be more okay with the rise of AI They were giving all to teach the world

And there there are more to come later But then we get back and it's day two on the network news and we do we had an Eisner multi-day Oh, yes, yeah, yeah quick guys are hit quick clip of that. I don't think any Mike This is all very hissy and quiet apologies bear with me. But yeah, it's Eisner He speaks volumes. No matter what....couldn't be that Mickey's disappearance was part of an elaborate publicity stunt? Absolutely not. At first we thought it might be a practical joke by those guys in the special effects department. You know how they love to kid around. Come on guys, cut that out. See what I mean? Michael.

It's excellent acting. These editors and these special effects guys. Guys, cut that out. But we know it's established, Mickey's the one editing. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's true, yeah. Who edited that if Mickey's missing? Remembered.

Watch your own intro, Michael. Cut that out. This is a great, it's really nice to see him have to act in a scene. Beautiful. And carry the weight of the emblem of his company. He's possibly dead. I don't like it. I don't feel good about it. I'm worried that the stock could plummet.

Hope it's not some jokers who are, we know how they all are. Anyway. I want another, whoever runs Disney next needs to do parts in TV shows. Yeah. Yes. That's all I care about as far as anything. I will be on board with anything that they do as long as we have some fun experiences. As long as they're in specials.

Yeah, I want to hear a very tri-Pop Iger go, authentically Disney, distinctly Abbott Elementary, uh-oh, and then he finds himself in the middle of a food fight. Is that a Disney special or is that Abbott Elementary, uh oh, and then he finds himself in the middle of a food fight. Is that a Disney special or is that Abbott Elementary episode that you just guessed? I'm just saying that's all under the same umbrella, right? Right, you would now have the Abbott Elementary cast in a special. In a Disney special, right. That would probably be a hilarious upfront video that the population would not ever see. Yeah, sure. That would remain private. video that the population would not ever see.

Yeah, sure. That would remain private. Yeah. But we get another Mickey package after this. Steamboat Willie is where we get the hot dogs video. Oh, hot dogs in here, right, right. His relationship with Walt, this is where they kind of try to make sense of like,

yes, Walt created them, but they were like buddies. They were like partners. Yes, yeah, more like a son, yes. Right. And we fell in love with Mickey because he's fallible. Someone says that. Yes. He's fallible.

Oh, interesting. Just like us. Or is, wait, is this, this is later maybe? Somebody says he's the common man's hero? It's Mike, yeah. I think that's, is it this part of the, somewhere in there, somebody describes Mickey as the common man's hero.

And I said, is he? Is that right? Okay. I'm getting a pre-Trump time. His bugs money is a cool, like he's a cool guy. He can do anything. Mickey's cool? No, no, Bugs is who you aspire to be.

Mickey is who you really are. Is who you really are. Oh. And Bugs is interesting, because there's multiple Looney Tunes references during this special as well. Shocked me. Oh, that's right.

Because they would, it feels like years later, like would not acknowledge the existence. God, that's true. Yeah, yeah, there's separate universes now. With the Wile E. Coyote assault case, I think is what it is. That's later, Wile E. Coyote, I wrote that down. Yes, yeah, yeah. I imagine it's stuck in all of our brains.

They're testing. The phrase Wile E. Coyote assault case. I mean, you're coming fresh off of Roger Rabbit, and it's like that was a big moment. Yeah, they're testing the waters. So that means the world. We could work together. There's some contract that lasted through this year

where they were allowed to mention them. It's a strange thing where, yeah, they mention Warner Brothers stuff, and then it's all, how better to celebrate Mickey's 60th birthday than by all the stars of NBC shows coming up We're going to interact with him, and it's so I mean I guess their deal was with NBC So that was the motivation, but that they didn't own them and there was no like broader It's just a really weird. I don't know why they did it if it wasn't

You know synergy we have half a day with CBS Radford sound stages. Half a week, we get a tenth of the days with family ties and then most of the days with sheers. And they do not want to be there too long. Mm-hmm. Although you do really get to see, they are all shot in their element. All these shows are shot in the styles

Yeah, yeah of the shows the first one you go to is family ties. Yeah, and initially I don't think you realize that's where you're going because some kids starts talking to Mickey and I was like who is I know I was like who is this kid? I did not grow up with family ties. Yes And even if even if I did it's like this is like what in the eighth build like it in the in the run of Family ties. I didn't know I was a kid. I was like baby that was introduced halfway, you know And then yes, and then it's similar to step-by-step did this to where there was a giant age up They like to run out of baby stories toddler time. Let us me yes. This is a much older kid. Oh modern family did it Toddler time. Let us, yes, this is a much older kid now.

Oh, Modern Family did it. Kind of famously between one season, it was a baby the next season, she was a few years old. She's cracking wise. Yeah, she's cracking wise a lot. I like that, that kid was funny. As a kid, I feel like I got Family Ties, Charles in Charge, and Who's the Boss confused.

I never watched any of it. Yeah. And I liked Michael J. Fox, obviously, like we all did from Back to the Future. But yeah, I didn't know what was what and what the shows were about. Yeah. And I didn't know.

I mean, I know what they're about now. I agree with you on the first and the last, but Charles and Charge was in syndication one summer and I will watch it every day. Oh, so you're the biggest Charles and Charge fan of the four of us. Probably. And I feel like I was probably being like

Annoyingly precocious going like that's a guy from the older and from the newer happy days That's that's he works. Who were you saying it to? Police on the street They would get these dead-eye looks when I would start doing that, but I thought I was making connections. I thought that's what you wanted me to do. You were. I'm tying together universes.

You watched a lot of Charles and Charge. I didn't know that about you. Yeah, I did. Do you think it holds up? I haven't revisited. A lot of it, I think I really liked the theme song. Yes. That was for me too.

As a little kid, I knew and like the theme song. Yes As a little kid I knew and liked the theme song theme songs carried me Pretty big way on some of those shows. They make you for 30 minutes Well, there was high jigs though. Yeah, I like the kind of silly high jigs I will say there's no Charles and Church song fine family ties song. Perfect family ties end Charles and charge song fine family ties song perfect family ties end Instrumental where it's just saxophone exactly my shit Favorite pieces of music without us instrumental played by Tom Scott great smooth jazz bullshit So this kid is Brian Bonsall later the star of the film blank check Wow yes That's that kid. All right. Also in Mother Goose Rock and Rhyme.

Oh right. He shows up at the end of that. That's the kid who, it's a similar thing where Mother Goose has disappeared from the world and a lot of mischief is caused. Starting to think this kid. And a lot of celebrities are met. Might be a blame.

Yeah, there's a lot of bad. The common denominator here. There's bad Moja. He made a lot of seasons of Family Ties we don't remember He misused the blank check to end up kissing an older FBI agent in a scene in a sequence that is extremely unsettling Kiss on the lips from a grown woman And and he's frankly rude to Mickey Mouse Yeah He immediately hatches a scheme of how he can like use this situation of a false Mickey to his advantage

He meets Mickey sleeping on a park bench. That's how which begs the question. There's five days of Mickey missing Is he homeless this entire time? Yeah, where is he to go? Right? I Yes, well, there's that and then another I will credit Disney dot fandom comm With pointing out this logical error that this this all begins in Disneyland ends in Disneyland But somewhere in there he manages to make it to Boston Yes, that is really not enough time unless you hitchhike onto a plane Yeah, I don't know where family ties takes place. I couldn't oh yes, so I don't know the logical issues in that case, but Brian the big reveal of Brian Bonsall

He's holding up a USA Today and like that must be some sort of like I would assume it be some sort of synergy because It's not like a fake newspaper that just write news on it. It's very clearly USA Today Yes, right. Oh, yeah, that's another so why are they incentivized and that's where you get the headline Stocks due to missing Mickey Mouse multiple times. They talk about the stock slumping. Yes, that's a runner This is a scheme of this boy. Yeah, I don't know the characteristics of this boy I don't know what his deal is. Maybe he's kind of a hustler. Maybe he's looking out for allowance and and I like Alex Keaton though was like a young Republican, right?

And like, he would be paying attention to the stocks. It made me wonder if at one point there was a draft where like, this was his scheme to use. Because as we learn, Michael J was not available for the big family ties. So initially, you're like, who is this child? Then you realize he is a child from family ties that we don't know then other characters start appearing Tina Yeathers appears and before that just in Bateman

I don't remember their characters names, but the then somebody says like well Don't you think don't think that's something that Alex would have done like? then it goes to a scene that is seemingly unrelated with Michael J Fox archival footage yeah yeah from another episode from an em were you implying possibly like cut from an ep maybe a scene they didn't need that they just like tied into this story I don't know yeah is it a reference to the fact that Family Ties did a lot of clip shows? I think that is a thing about Family Ties. Oh, that could be it. They did a lot of remembering lessons. I think you're giving them more credit.

I think I am. We want Michael J. Fox in this and he did not want to do it, but we have the rights to a scene from the show that was either there or cut. We got one stray one as if one of these things like Marlon Brando in Superman and he's dead now. We got one stray one as if one of these things like like Marlon Brando and Superman late And he's dead now. We got one. We got the one scene. We can do what we want. We've got one state the rise of skywalkers Yes, that Alex P Keaton could get presentation foamcore boards made up More than what appears to be a child under. Oh, yeah, you're right. He has a very slick presentation right away.

Yeah, so this child hatch is a plan to rig the stock market by promising that Mickey Mouse is returned and buying stocks in the companies that would be the most invested in Mickey Mouse's return, which I don't know who that is besides Disney. Yeah, I don't know. What does Disney buy? I think this whole situation would hurt liquor companies

I think liquor is probably on the rise because people are trying to drink their sorrows were a Mickey Mouse is gone, right? presumed dead Nationwide spike in alcoholism after stunning death of Mickey but he never found After stunning death of Mickey body never found And and mr. Good the newsman is not showering That is like a joke that is like a runner a hammer hitting next to a nail Like it is not it is a runner and it seems to never land Yeah, I guess not. Yeah, no, in solidarity with the spirits of the nation, he does not shower as long as he is on TV talking about this. Yeah, it's all, look,

it's all fine. The news stuff is all fine. I think Ritter's locked in, I think Jill Ikenberry is kind of phoning it in. That's my read on it. I had to look up Jill Eikenberry, cause like Family Dies, LA Law is just a big hole in my brain. Like it is a reference where I'm like, I know that was a popular LA Law based show. Yeah. Yeah, you've got it right there in the title. You're right, you're right, you're right.

I ain't not gonna say. There's not one falsehood in that statement. There's no falsehood. Yeah, I mean this special throughout when you kind of see who the women are and who the men are, it does remind you where it's like, oh yeah, Hollywood really would flush women away when they turned 40,

and we would hold on to the guys and let them. Anytime I watch something from this era, I'm always like, I've never seen this woman before in my life and she's as famous as. Oh, you're saying that? Yeah, because they didn't, the careers didn't go. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't get to see them later.

Yes. In the nineties and beyond, whereas like John Ritter never stopped working. Sure. Uh, but yeah, Jill Lagenberry seemingly disappeared. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. working sure but yeah Jill Aikenberry seemingly disappeared yeah yeah right yeah I guess now all these men just get to like balled it up for decades and decades yeah give them a new wife a new

young wife replace the wife yes yeah come the wealthy dad of the guy on three is a crowd endless work for the woman your place with an old man these are the ways I can't be totally mad at that Anyone tell me if I'm missing anything but you know the news is stressed about this, they mention

that Michael Eisner's blood pressure continues to go up a chilling statement as this is a mere six years before his quadruple bypass Oh god I mean think about that, you're right His health woes became a real thing that did kind of hurt the company permanently in a way. Then there's an interruption for a sudden cut to Ed McMahon.

Okay. So I have a commercial break before. Okay. Oh, there's some interest in Donald as a suspect. They talked to him. They're also backstage watching like really, uh really analyzing footage of the Mickey Mouse Club. And they're like, wait, what was that? And then we cut to a commercial break.

We've got a perfect like jingle where it's just, perfect late eighties, it's just like shots of people living their lives. Like a business woman getting off a train, dudes playing you know football with each other at planes landing newlyweds a father and son cavorting in leaves and life is I I can't like I saw it once I don't think I can pull the exact melody but it was like you're the one they depend on to see it through In the world it all counts and they're counting on you

Show that world some style You've been waiting for this time to come And you know that time is here You're living in real time And it is a commercial for a Mickey Mouse watch What? Brought to you by Seiko, Se I K yeah yeah and it's I couldn't bully because I was like what is this gonna be for because it could be for

anything and it is just to get a Mickey Mouse watch oh my god it's not silly it's not cute it's not centered around children it is just yeah you're living in real time you're living in real time. You're living in real time. That was beautiful. It was a very well song also Yeah, that was nice. Thank you. No, the actual song was was not needed. I Man, yeah, it was beautiful. But then this is where I think I don't know like like I think this is a viable economic plan I think this would drive up You know like spending in general, you know Regardless of what happens with tariffs if we like make songs really emotional again

People feel compelled to buy whatever it is the song made me cry It also seemed like an expensive shoot. There's like 12 different setups with a lot of hours. Yeah Yeah, you know exterior shots indoors like on location it really the scope of this thing is breathtaking Probably done in multiple cities. Yeah. All right, welcome to week eight everyone. Right, we're living in real time, the Mickey Mouse watch commercial.

Oh boy. Then we got a Johnson and Johnson, No More Tears, baby shampoo with babies singing about the shampoo. Then we got kids washing cars singing about the heartbeat of America. It is a commercial for Chevrolet. And the kids all sounded like, the heartbeat of America. Close to it. As close as they can get. It's for Chevrolet.

Commercial for, in theaters everywhere this Friday, The Land Before Time. Oh wow. My first movie in theaters. Wow. It hooks it right up to, yes, half the age that my son is now and he still has not been to a movie theater. Wow. Half him scared, half that Hollywood just isn't bringing it, like they did

back in the days of Land Before Time, a film I also assume is perfect. Oh yeah, it's a masterpiece. Well, you don't get 16 sequels unless you're perfect. Oh, Dine is surely relaxing and fun. That's it for the break. Then we're back to the day three. The news report, things are getting more dire,

blood pressure is rising. Then it goes to Ed McMahon. You pointed out something strange about this. Yes, so Ed McMahon offers $5 million for info on the safe return, holds a big check, because that's the thing we know about Ed McMahon. Then after that, John Ritter says, that should certainly stir up a little action.

And then looks at Jill, she rolls her eyes, and then you have a beat of John Ritter smugly like, I just made a great joke. And I don't get it. Yeah, I watched it. I, under that lens, I have no idea. But it's like a really- It's a slur. It's a blade like.

Horny joke, right? I just said it was. See, once again, there was a mystery. I have to say something is. That's the only thing I can think of. The only thing it could be. But like why in that context? Why is it, is he horny for her?

That's what it seems like. After watching a clip of Ed McMahon with a check. It just really, it was just so confounding. Cause it was like, that should stir up a little action. What else would action mean in this context? Well, scratch, you know? I looked up to see if like Ed McMahon was in a show called A Little Action.

Like I was just like, cause that's the only- And the answer was yes! If that was true, then it would be like, okay. This is a New Monkeys style reference that is lost in time. But no, I couldn't... Stir her up. Maybe we gotta post this clip and get the... Get a take.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. But how would it... Explain the... Okay. It is... Let's assume it's sexual. Explain... why. Because the way he says it and the way she reacts. Uh-huh. But stir her up.

But for no reason. He just does it for kind of no reason. But stir up a little action is a sexy phrase? Well, I got the smoothest. After you've just watched Ed McMahon in a check. Because the double meaning would be... Well, I would get aroused watching Ed, but I'm saying the way he delivers it in the word action, I don't know yet, unless it's, Jason's saying it's gambling in some ways, but like why would he say it like that then? Why would he say it in a manner of that? But yeah, he says it because it's like, okay, this could get people to then want to help to find Mickey. That's the one meaning.

But he says it with this. And also what's sexier than helping to find Mickey Mouse? Right, of course. Ed McMahon. There's one thing. Yeah, so. Keep getting thrown on you, Ed McMahon. There's a lot, Charles Fleischer, the love talk,

this is a perverted special, let's be honest. Charles Fleischer's with the love talk. This is a preferred special. Let's be honest. Charles Fleischer. Open your eyes. Yeah. Yeah. See what's in front of you.

Okay. I know you want to block out the world, but this is an evil, evil special. You're gonna go march at the Disney lot for like, what's this? Is there a strike? Are they like, is there a labor issue? No, this is about the 1988 Mickey's 60th birthday birthday I'm gonna stop on my way home and protest this

special. Stir up direction how dare you yeah I know what you're applying I know what John Renner's eyes meant. Right. Your first one in Niagara Falls. With a real person I would they cut to Allison Rosati. I looked her up. Oh, real news anchor from there? Yeah, a Buffalo at the time. She's in Chicago now. Still, you know, she was very young at the time. She's like 62 now.

It works in Chicago. But yeah, she's at the honeymoon capital of the world, of course, Niagara Falls. And cues up the Mickey and Minnie montage. Okay. Now, one of these montages has the classic kind of sepia tone photo of Walt and then the silhouette of Mickey that was the cover of one of the two Dueling Walt biographies.

Yes, yes. And I think that's the one the company likes. I think the one the company is less fond of is the one with just a cross-armed photo of Walt and it's got like the yellow kind of cartoon, what's that? Is he by a door? Yeah, he's by a door. I think that's the one the company likes,

but the one where it's just Walt and like a yellow cartoony font, that is like- Are you speaking of Walt Disney America or I'm sorry, Walt Disney Hollywood's Dark Prince? Because that is the one I like. That's I may have said this on the show before. Is this it?

Jason, is that what you're picturing? Because this is OK. No, that's not the one. Because it's a book that my dad got me like, oh, he likes you like Walt Disney. Here, I got you a book about it. And well doesn't hear I got you a book about it

And he didn't know that it was a book about like all the labor issues and then like accusations of like you know racism and in fact the cover is sort of strange and questionable in certain it's a I don't know Strange presence on my dad's part. But there's another scary Walt photo. So this is the one, Neil Gabler wrote this book. This is the one that I think maybe came out first. Okay. You're saying they don't like the book

or they don't like the photo of Walt? The book. Oh, okay. So this one came out October 2006. The other one came out. I bet they also don't like the Dark Prince one Yeah, I have anything to do with Disney But it was eye-opening as a child. That's for sure

You should have been on board with all my takes on this Special yeah the darkness within right often encouraged writers one creepy phrases into the copy like stir up a little action This Bob Thomas one is the one that came out They're like twin movies like Armageddon and deep impact. I just remember both these wall biographies coming out very close to each other summer event for you is to Biographies coming out majors about Walt Disney

I've never gone to Dived into either one of them both like the size of a phone book. I've read one of them actually Oh, yeah, believe it or not. I have two Wow. Look at us Mike. We've read you see Jason When we were children, we read. Read a book. Not in the last 10 years. Yeah.

Yeah. So, we get a strange sequence that is very well done, but kind of scary where lots of Mickey toys all come to life and talk like gremlins. Stop motion. Yeah, every day. This is really weird. Yeah, yeah.

It is cool, but it's weird. Yeah. Out of place, but you know. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And goes out the window so I guess the toys will help but then this never comes back and They have to go to they have to kind of bring out heavier Artillery to find Mickey Sergeant Rick Hunter. Oh boy So let me just make sure I've got everything here. Yes. Yes, please. Yeah, they we get some Donald stuff for oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, let's make sure we don't skip the Donald story, because at this point, he's being landed on as a potential murderer suspect.

A lot of speculation. They use it as an excuse to show a clip from a magic-themed Mickey short with Donald that ends with Donald pointing a gun at him. Yeah. Which was like, okay. So they're seeds, just photographic evidence. Donald gets a call from an Irish cop, and on his old-timey radio he's hearing every,

it was just like clearly, you know, they're recycling old, old footage of Donald, because he's like, it's like a 1940s radio where he's hearing everything about it. He changes appearance between shots. Yeah, we get another real anchor, we get Sue Simmons in New York City who shows the lights on the skyscraper with the Mickey ears. Yeah, another thing they did. They were making Mickey shapes everywhere. And then we get, what I thought was one of the better bits

of this special which was the mysterious informant who they don't change, they put him in silhouette but they don't change his voice and it's clearly Donald. This segment made me laugh when they're like, if you didn't do it, you didn't do this Donald? And he goes, Minnie did it. I think that's really funny. That got me good.

This is where he says Porky Pig, which is like, oh, it's a yeah, oh yeah, right, right. It's the guy from Roger Rabbit, it's Wicked Witch, it's Porky Pig. Yeah, and this is not a good media appearance for Donald because he's on the cover of Time, he's on the cover of People, he's on the Trades, he's in Variety.

So the public is forming a case against- D-Duck on the Lamb. Yeah, yeah. Imagine this playing out in reality, where you first Mickey Mouse goes missing, and then realizing it may have been Donald Duck. Donald may be behind it. Three of your favorite cartoon characters.

One murdered the other. Brutal. Was this all an attempt to capitalize on Roger Rabbit and like the dark, was it a weird way to do it? Like do something that has some Roger Rabbit darkness, but on TV but on TV maybe I mean it was such a big hit. They were like everything's Roger Rabbit now. Yeah Yeah, yeah, so Jessica Rabbit and Ellie Eddie Valian are in this special no No, well whoever on NBC has cameras in front of them already they do mention Judge doom at one.

They say like, uh, it's a guy who framed Roger Rabbit. And, and Jill Eganberry goes, he's dead. It's like, all right. Fair enough. A lot of the specter of death in this special. Yeah. I got a commercial break here. Play school express, the first real train for

preschoolers, no electricity, you know, safer, safer little kid, uh, no electricity, you know, safer little kid. General Electric soft white light bulbs. We bring good things to life. Yes, that would make me buy those. I'd buy 40 year old dangerous light bulbs now. Ahead of that song. On eBay. Right? Kind of ahead of what would be a trend, we get a quirky commercial. We get like kind of a comedy commercial for Little Caesars. They do a joke about, like they're at another pizza place, like, can I get two pan pizzas for the price of one?

And the guy has a mirror and is like, yeah, here's two. And she's very, yeah, it's beautifully done. She's very like deadpan, like oh, okay. Like it's interesting, because that would become the style of music that's going after this. Yeah, yeah, right. Put that back in the, but more songs, less comedy.

What didn't catch on was that they were trying the Little Caesar's guy to go with this pan pizza promotion to go pan pan. Doesn't really roll off the tongue. I vaguely remember that. Pan pan. Maybe that's, yeah. It's already really roll off the tongue. I vaguely remember that. Pan Pan. Maybe that's, yeah. It's already a very bready pizza.

Little Seasons? Yeah, yeah, uh huh. Yeah, that's really a pan and maybe it gets bready. Pizza Hut was the pan. That was the pan. And they did it better. The one, yeah. Yeah.

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It's like, no law requires us to be in a Stetson hat and a white suit. And it's just footage of this, the Bob Evans truck traversing America. Oh. And it was interesting that when it didn't end with like Bob Evans, it was just like of this, the Bob Evans truck traversing America. And it was interesting that when it didn't end with like Bob Evans, it was just like, you got it, you saw it's Bob Evans, it's just a guy going, well, there's no laws that say we can't.

That make us refrigerate instead of freeze it. Is it for the, like, sausage you can get in the freezer? I believe it's just for the restaurant. I believe it's just for the restaurant. It was just for Bob Evans. Wow. We were a big Bob Evans family growing up. I loved Bob Evans. We liked them when we go on vacation We go to Disney World. That's the only time we'd get them. It's they were on the west coast. Yeah. Wow Wow, we're all in agreement on this. All big Bob Evans restaurant fans. Their lawless ways spoke to us

Yeah, well, you know we do things a little differently here at Bob Evans. No need to inspect it when it's made with pride Yo silly FDA laws don't apply here because we do it with southern chum. The south and the hooves are the best part. Every sausage patty has a delicious taste of hooves. And then the odd couple, tonight at 1130, real quick. I love those quick ones, those quick spikes. Then we're back day four. Yes, we get a character I had to Google, Sergeant Hunter.

He too, yeah. I know we think we don't know LA Law, but we kind of know LA Law. Sure. Hunter. I was like, is this a Hill Street Blues character? I'm trying to think NBC. I Google Hunter TV show. There was a show called Hunter

and it was on for seven seasons. Wow. Massive show, that none of us know. and this is a former football player Fred dryer fred dryer a dryer. He was a defensive man in the nfl for 13 years. He's six foot six Wow, uh and we get a whole segment with with hunter just one zoom in scare one scary shot of a real murder Investigator considering whether donald did it This is what I said this a couple months, where I think we should do an episode where we each bring in a show that we feel

that no one's ever heard of before that went at least four seasons. Oh yeah, that's great, that is great. And we tried, we do it so you're like, I'm pretty sure no one's heard, because I go in trying to stump everybody, I guess, is what I'm saying. Well, and if you get, if you even go beyond that,

you look at kids' cartoons, and that's when, if you even go beyond that, you look at kids cartoons and that's when shit gets really even crazier. Cause it's like, well, I love the bots master. I don't know that anyone else did besides, uh, all the, uh, the bot was it called the bots master? Yeah. Ziv Zoolander, the main character. Oh, really?

His name was Zoolander. Ziv Zoolander. Um, Ziv Zoolander, the main character. Oh, really? That's the name? His name was Zoolander? Ziv Zoolander, Ziziv for short. So it's like- This didn't last very long. This didn't last very long though, did it? No, I think it would usually air in syndication on like UPN or WB at weird times.

It lasted long enough, and I think it was a Heim Saban project. 40 episodes, BOTS Master, 1993. Yeah. That's every cartoon they would make 40. They'd make 40 or 60, batch make them, and then just spread them out. And there was a line of toys

that I only ever saw in the KB clearance section. Here's a funny thing here's a funny thing produced by somebody named Xavier Picard. Wow. Wow. Wow. The two Patrick Stewart last names. Yeah, that's funny.

Wow. Xavier Picard. It's also funny that the show was set in the distant future of 2025. Yeah. Oh no. Well, I guess it's the official anniversary. Yeah.

Careful. It was kind of like, imagine a team of robots, but everyone's Michelangelo. Except for one various serious ninja robot. Xavier Picard is a French animation director. Wow. Yeah, I think it was. With the coolest name ever.

Yeah, really. Yeah. All right, so, oh, wait, sorry, I was just, no, that's, where do we, yeah, after, I don't know if you had anything else to say about Hunter. Well, just the fact that he says, even just saying, like, now normally in a murder case, what you'd want is a body, but this is a confusing, like,

I, wow, they weren't even talking, that we're even, that they're, for Mickey's birthday, we're doing a special that makes you think about Mickey's body about like police going into like a you know Like a storm drain and like the right what is that? Yeah, what's that that those rats are on to get away? Oh my god. It's a big rat Don't eat your own kind It's the biggest threat. Don't eat your own kind. It's just, it's really something. Yeah, I wonder what year does that change

where they couldn't do it? Like was it 95, what do you think? Like what's the year when all this stuff wouldn't fly? Was it two years later? Maybe it's, maybe Eisner did straighten up after his quadruple bypass. I mean that's where it all kind of like, and where like now we we become about buying stuff.

We buy ABC. There's more interests to kind of like placate. And we can't do weird stuff like potentially killing Mickey. They called it after the mid-90s Casper. Because they're like, oh, there's little kids saying, can I keep you? That's it. No more kids in death. That's too creepy. It's nasty. These are both good theories. Yeah, but it feels like mid-90s, doesn't it? It does feel like mid-90s, yeah. When the, when no more fun with murder.

Bring this back. Kill Mickey for real. What better way, like it's, all right, a hundred years, that's about as much time as you can do with a character right? Kill him. New character. We all go we all go more and then like now the Mickey hundredth anniversary event is like they partner with churches and you can go to churches and go mourn him. Okay. Puts people into the churches too. It helps them with collection plates. There's a collection plate for the church and one for the Walt Disney Company. I had some blow back for making a crucified Mickey

limited edition. And like. Yeah, that's what you do. You kill him and he rises again. Yeah. Hey, I'm here at 5 a.m. to line up to get the crucified Mickey only available at Disney's Hollywood Studios.

I would line up for that popcorn bucket. Exclusive. So I guess not long after, Hunter, you go to LA law. With a brief interlude of Donald getting visited by a demon who arrests him. Oh yeah. They did not really have the footage to of a policeman coming to, so they took some weird

kind of horror short with Donald where a monster comes to his door and they just kind of dub over him being like, you're under arrest. They deputized a devil. Yeah. All right, so now LA law is coming to the, whatever the hell the firm is called in that, they decide, they're all arguing that he deserves good representation, you know, despite his very obvious guilt. Right, we get a moment for the LA law heads,

we get actor Michael Tucker commenting on Jill Likenberry's looks, because they are married in real life. Oh, life. Oh Yes, so that's nice that whole sound loud is strangely attractive right? That's is I believe they were together before the show But when you heard it before you found out they were married you were very offended by this Yeah, I was mad. I threw my phone at the TV. You were ready to go on a 25 minute tirade Yeah, I was just saved you that yeah. Um all right for you. We can all calm down but they all discuss like, how he deserves a good trial, but none of them want to take

the case. It becomes like a passing of the buck that none of these lawyers want to, but you go around the table, you get everybody. You get Harry Hamlin. Plenty of anonymous faces. You get Corbin Berenson. You get others whose names I know waste your time Jimmy Smith Jimmy Smith's yeah, and then and the rest Alan ratchets I

Buy it sure And one of and somewhere in this is where somebody refers to the previously existing Wiley Coyote assault case, right? Yes, this is the moment Now what do we there's this is the implication? Well, I guess we don't know if it was an assault on Wiley Coyote or an assault from Wiley Coyote I'm guessing he assaults the Roadrunner. That's what I thought too, but there's an interesting point. It could be against Acme Uh-huh. You know, I guess it'd be more like negligence than assault. Yeah, assault implies Yeah, which if that case is coyote versus acme It's a lot of stuff interesting. Mm-hmm. No, but I think it's a

runner V Coyote. Yeah, I think so I think that the sympathy that a jury would feel for the Roadrunner and the road yeah And ability to although wait, actually, what am I saying? Well, the coyote can speak even less than the Roadrunner and the road yeah, and cuz although wait actually what am I saying? Well, the Coyote can speak even less than the Roadrunner Where he would talk a lot though, there's certain shorts where he would be very intellectual Usually right wasn't that he was in one All of them I forget there once in a while. He would do like a very like eloquent speech Well fire is like if I were Corbin Berntz and I'd say shut the fuck up

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No not put him on the stand. I also know he'll implicate himself for sure I know maybe this is adding too much logic to but I also think it's because Donald is the one on trial for doing something bad. So the one to one is Wiley on trial for doing something bad. That's why. Oh yeah, yeah, sure. I think. Antagonist, yeah. In Coyote versus Acme, is there like a bail ponds agency

which is run by Foghorn, Lycorn and Pepe Le Pew? Like they don't put us in the cartoons anymore. We had to figure out a new venture. Is Foghorn not in the cartoons anymore? I feel like they use him less don't they? But he wasn't like there's nothing inherently wrong with what foghorn does No, it's not a problem at- no no no no Max Landis didn't write a creepy foghorn leghorn movie I thought you were going with the fact that foghornhorn Leghorn would be perfect as a southern lawyer. Oh Yeah, well I swear real life now I say

I'm but a simple rooster right but then if you asked for that like who could we get that transcript read back Well, let's see. Well, I say I say No, read them all please read them off the record That's the nog first job I say, I say. I say, well. Can I skip any of these? No, read them all please. Read them all for the record. All right. Best day of that stenographer's job. Just came for a meat egg and I say come and taste some of these. So what happens after LA Law? We get a few montages.

We get his Mickey stunt ability, which is set to shake, rattle and roll. Then we also get the Mickey love montage with Pluto. Yes. Set to the song, Friends by Elton John. Friends by Elton John. A song that I did Pluto. Yes set to the song friends by John a song that I did not know had to look it up by the lyrics. I was shocked. Wow I didn't yeah, I know Elton John songs probably I did not know a lot of them I think I think I just I caught them. I was like, oh, this is an old Elton song

I don't really know it was not a hit a hit yeah it must have been affordable. Wow. Friends by Elton John yeah. Oh the cute thing when that started playing I was watching it on Edphone but right at that moment Garfield walked in the room and came and gave me Sniffs and I gave him pets. Very nice. Wow. Real life Pluto. We cut to a bar. Boston. Oh boy, and now the big dog Yeah, so now Mickey appears in Cheers. They talk for a minute there. We're watching the story, right? Yeah, and they are aware. They got everybody Yeah, yeah, I was impressed now Cheers also appeared now This is later chronologically the 35th anniversary that we talked about there is it opens a big scene and cheers. Yeah But with less yeah people because no Kristi Alley and even maybe no Rio Pearlman. I don't know I'm not sure I don't recall. Yeah, but it's it's it's a

Portion of the main cast but the whole main cast is here Yeah, yeah, it really so you might bug you might think that an episode of Cheers has started all of a sudden until Mickey Mouse himself Walks into Cheers and orders a super normal order Here's what's weirder than Mickey Mouse ordering a root beer float at the bar. The weirder thing is that they make it They are like you can't order that they're like coming right up. They don't yeah pretty simply Did Cheers serve food? Cause I'm forgetting. I don't think so. There's a restaurant above Cheers, right?

I mean, it's kind of a rival maybe restaurant bar, but no, I don't think that. Which would really then imply that they don't have just ice cream at the ready. If they aren't serving burgers, they probably don't got ice cream. There's very few bars of ice cream at the ready. If they aren't serving burgers and they probably don't got ice cream. Very few bars of ice cream. Right.

I was expecting one of the buttons on the little gun. Mud slides? Ketch a gun? Can you make that with ice cream or is that just cream? Oh, I don't think a mud slide has ice cream in it. Or I mean, maybe you could make it with it, but it's not the normal way to make it. Scott's Googling the ingredients for mud slide. No, I'm Googling did cheers or food

I'm curious about that Well, this is a it says no, but this is AI overview. Oh, yeah I don't care for that yeah, yeah, all right. No the cheers reddit says just the nuts and pretzels Yeah, right and and norm does reference cheese doodles several times But that's from his outside life as little as Shout out in this that's true. You gotta if you're gonna give normal line. I feel like not every place has root beer even I feel Yeah, no, I don't know that a bar is going to have good mixer. You're gonna have feel like it's a good mixer for what? Lick of vodka vodka

I mean, you're probably right. I don't know whiskey root beer would I think yeah, probably Coke is like, you know might be fine. Yeah rum and root beer probably is pretty Yeah, yes. Yeah run. I could see I don't know. Let's all try it. We'll report back Alcoholic yeah, do you have any root beer in the house Jason? Do I have root beer in the house? No, I don't think so. I think just Coke zero right? Okay. All right. What was the last time you bought root beer? Well, I was trying the zero root beers like a and W zero I did I tried it at all pretty good pretty good That was just a nice that was just the nice part with good and loud.

I think root beer, orange and like seven up are, are do well with zeros from what I've tried. Okay. The order of business that cheers is that they again, don't believe this is Mickey Mouse. I think it seems like they'd prefer to have this little monster out of the bar. You strip away a celebrity and everyone despises Mickey right away. They are very depressed. Yeah. This is weighing

heavily on them. And they have and I think notable that they have no customers and that's probably why I think everyone has stayed home. The economy's taking a hit across the second workers that stock market is down. Yeah For it, I'm crying or on the hunt. Yeah part of the search search effort. Oh, that's yeah That's what we're not seeing is yeah people going out with their own dogs to their own smell We see toys doing that presumably that's right. You know every toy is on That weird kid who says his toys talk to him, he's like really obsessed with this Mickey thing. Keep an eye on him.

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July 13th. Sign up now at Dazone.com slash fifa. That's D-A-Z-N dot com slash fifa. We didn't touch on the Mickey seeking satellite in space that we do get a glimpse of earlier. Oh yeah, that's right. That's footage I've seen and other stuff. I think that was a repurpose of this weird Mickey satellite

they made for something, but I don't know what it was for. But this freak can't, he can't pay for his root beer float Yes, so he's got to pay with something else here. Here's a normal bargain My boss it's sad that it's her birthday but if you sing to her she'll be happy and then that's about a Dollar thirty or whatever the root beer cost mm-hmm at Cheers and so naturally Frazier pulls up a chair to the piano Yeah, something I sure knew that he could do wait a minute of course I know he can do it laughing is a rhythm yeah yeah highly recommended clip if you've never seen it

laughing is a rhythm live at JFL it's on the Just For Laughs YouTube, or at least it was. That is something. That is a man at peak confidence. That's a man with new money from another show after a lot of money from a previous show. He can do no wrong. I can jazz scat in front of a comedy audience and it'll go over great. Anyways, so they do so. He sings Happy Birthday and Christy Alley appears, my god, she's in it too. Just getting to actually see, as opposed to the other Cheers scene, that a cartoon character is in Cheers is pretty delightful. It's just basically a fun thing.

It's too bad it didn't happen all the time. Then we would know Cheers better front to back. We wouldn't even have to look up, do they have food there? Oh, Charlie Toon has stopped by to drown in his sorrows. Charlie Tuna was the Well, this is so successful that Rebecca leaves with Mickey that they walk out together. Yeah, they gotta go to a dinner, movie and a dinner. Mickey hits on Christy Ali a little bit too. He says she's attractive.

Sorry, Mike. Add up in the list, I'm just saying, add it to the list. We start to get a sense of what Mickey's magic is. Oh, right. It's like you have to look within yourself. You have to, hey, don't be down on yourself. Complimenting women is his magic magic you need to have a new outlook She's like that's right learn pick up your magic is you're a pickup artist

So he's starting to tap into what what will I almost didn't even connect it as I forgot what the plot was it Had been so long since it had been mentioned Commercial break well hang on right before that then they go back to like well That was an interesting thing when that mouse came in Anyway, I sure hope they find Mickey Mouse And then they all the Cheers gang all sings M-I-C-K-E-Y with why?

Because we miss you Mm-hmm. It's the most sincere. It's like more feels more sincere than the end of cheers this is like just Absolutely, why because we miss you because we miss you I can't imagine being Ted Danson and having to deliver So straight maybe he meant it. Maybe it really meant something to him They asked him to will you go to just imagine place who is yes, right? Who is who has died in your life. Who is a child who matters to you? Now imagine that child found in a sewer.

He had to do some method, or not method, but like just whatever Meisner techniques he learned. It's a great performance. I also looked up- Meisner stands for Michael Eisner, right? Michael Eisner, yeah. Meisner. When we say Meisner, that's what I mean.

On this podcast. Meisner technique is Michael Eisner's way of delivering lines. Right. There's mentioning also On this podcast. Meisner technique is Michael Eisner's way of delivering lines. Right. There's mentioning also that this was written by actual Cheers writers, partially because the request came to the cast. Here's the script that was written.

The script was so wretched and so missed the voices of the characters. According to the Cheers writers, I think Ken Levine is the guy who talked about it. He said they didn't even write Mickey well. Yeah. So they volunteered like, we'll take half a day. We'll do, we'll tune it up for it. We'll make it feel like the show.

Crazy. They were unpaid for this other than a big box of swag, which presumably was all the toys that came to life in that. Right. Sweatshirt that Eisner was wearing. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

The same one dirty from his wearing of it. Uh, but at least they got something. It's got the Eisner smell. We'll take it. Anyways, commercial break. Play school, play sounds, stove and sink, play with food and hear the sounds on the little. Oh, I remember this, I remember this ad.

Yeah, yeah. You pick up the phone. Sizzle a bacon or something? Yes, absolutely, eggs and bacon on the frying pan. That's fun. And we got another rockin' jingle. It's a piece of America. Share a little piece of America.

This is for Halliburton. So similar to the Mickey watch one cause it's like guys playing football in the mud and like Top Gun guys high fiving in front of a fighter jet. Like bikini babes on the beach. It is for Wrigley gum It is yeah, it is the piece of America is the is the gum piece of gum piece of America

Doubleman ads obviously were fair. They were like a little more like peppy They were made to make you feel but they were so produced to those also I hadn't thought about how commercials commercials all had 40 people in them that were filmed in three states. So many locations. I laughed so hard, because right after this commercial, they played the Mickey watch commercial.

Like back to back, virtually the same commercial. Yeah, and then back to the future, coming up with Family Ties at eight. Growing up with every commercial break being this for so many years, in my childhood must be why I like Michael McDonald so much today. That's just to be it. There's no other explanation.

You were trained. You got versions of second tier doobies. Yeah, yeah. It was all, that's what they were aiming for, I think. When does the, am I getting ahead of myself? Was Send in the Clowns? Oh, I think we're coming up. That's another montage, yeah.

This is- When we come back, we get the Iowas. I think we're coming up. That's another montage, yeah. When we come back, we get the Iowa stuff. With another real person, but this person I looked up, it had a very interesting story. Tony Perry was an in-house Disney broadcaster, which is like the first time a company ever did that, where they would have a news journalist

who was hired by the company to interview people, be on location, make stuff, news footage to then give to the networks. And he was the guy who was producing and anchoring this stuff. Whoa. Interesting. Whoa. Well, something like the press kit that I watched probably was produced by that unit.

Like we know, like we, you know, hey, local stations can kill a little time talking about Mickey turning 16. It's already produced, like you can just throw this on. And then the other big thing was he went with Roy Disney to Russia to screen Disney films for the first time there. Whoa. It's weird.

Presumably covered it from a news angle as well. Well, we've talked about that because the balloon went to Russia, that might have been part of the same thing. Yeah. There was a whole film festival where they were just like, you guys have never seen anything Disney before. We are going to screen it. They never got them.

As part of this festival. Wow, wow. You know. Interesting. That's a weird thing that they had. And then send in the clowns. Because of course, Mickey is dead. Right, right.

Mickey's dead, he's dead and gone. The tone when this happened, they are like, we are watching John Redder the News Anchor really wrap his head around this, this must be it. Like four days, five days, like this is, it's happened. Mickey, we can only assume Mickey Mouse. We've had plenty of time to produce this He's Dead montage. We found the saddest song to play over it.

It's day five, like you know, you gotta, at this point, we gotta move on with our lives. Gotta be realistic, yeah. And then send in the clowns is the choice. It's so, I mean is this the saddest, it really like, I don't know, it's as close as we're ever gonna get to them killing Mickey and to see what that would feel like.

Didn't you feel a little bit like yourself? Like you had to go to that place? I made my child watch this with me and I felt bad. Sit down. Putting your hand out to stop her. Sit down, no you're not gonna come. You have to watch this. The old cartoons she would be like,

oh yeah I'm interested in this. And then like something like Minnie crying and she's like kinda like trying to figure it out and I'm like, ah we don't have to play over here and then send in the clowns is playing and she's kinda like fixated on it in a way And I'm like what this is doing. Oh awakening something. Yeah, so Mickey died, right? We're not sure I don't think so. Yeah, we all die

Yeah, no, this was the moment that unlocked it. I that would have been really If I don't maybe it did I don't know as far as I know it didn't though My child has discovered death, but he is not upset about it or conflicted about it He's like really flippin about it and wait I gotta see if I can get it right that he's like He'd discrete now as shorthand for describing like the cycle of like I know how life works and we're like, yeah What does that mean? And he said baby toddler kid teen adult dead whoa wow this is a list to spit out everyone so yeah yeah we just gave him an old person yeah that was my one note we're like don't forget old

there's old all right sure don't anymore right he's dead man of a certain age well if you're if you're if you're lucky old that's what i should have told you your son if you're lucky you get old Yeah, well you can add it. He's got the basics. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Good at it Anyways, so yeah send in the car. What are you the kids across America watching this live send in the clowns is playing They're being there. I'm sure they're upset to some degree even though they know but the whole thing is so confusing yeah how can you know we couldn't if you were four you'd be like oh I guess he's gone if you did a cut of this this would be a cruel experiment on

a child is to just shit is to edit out all of the parts where we know that Mickey is around right and caught in a strange invisible limbo state and there would be a shooting yeah if you go to the TV what are you seeing yeah yeah the universe cut in the inverse cut we can because then also in the in universe cut you don't get the dance you just get that he oh I guess Mickey's back then right oh right so you don't even get the fun yeah absolving the thing that makes him realize that he the magic is inside him which is meeting Felicia Rashad and Cheech Marine and Daglow. Wonderful clothes I love the this is the Disneyland of my childhood.

Excellent pastels. This is excellent and it feels like a completely different special. Yes. Yeah. You've got it. You've got it. Sharingly different. Yeah. Kenny Ortega choreographed dance number That's yeah, gee one of the key Disney dance people are really the biggest dance person. Yeah, even coming close Yeah, that's real set piece right in Yeah, clearly being done as the light is coming up But like like they do it in order and you can sense it going from dark of midnight to fuck fuck fuck It's almost 8 a.m.

We gotta finish this, yeah. And we gotta open the park. Yeah, cuz they are clean- they're cleaning up but because they've got this Scheduled Mickey's 60th, you know, that's what- But there's not gonna be any party now. No, they're losing hope You know? Might be a funeral

Just cross out birthday It's funeral! And on the 60 60th Mickey's first funeral would be. Saving and right funeral pyre where it's this Birthday. Would be an interesting summer event at Disneyland. All summer long. Wear your blacks Different vibe there for sure. Mm-hmm, but people would come out. Yeah people. Yeah, they want they want the merch of course They want the merch. Yeah

But it's really it's really cheech who's down and Felicia Rashad is it kind of picks him back up right? Yes. Yeah, this will be shitty and quiet But just for just for a taste of the song because I think the song is is a real joy. Yeah You say and do Find it in your heart Having fun is up to you Wonderful. Having fun is up to you. Yeah, yeah. I never think about that. Breakthrough. Just like you want your stage managers

in very reflective clothing shortly the third shift custodial staff is wearing Tagalow attire so they can see each other from a distance. Yeah, it's dark. Yeah, yeah. I know who else is on their team. It's so great. Mickey's colors are great. Their clothes are great.

The Mickey 60 logo is wonderful. Whenever I've seen this over the years on old merch or the signs go up for auctions sometimes, I get tempted. It's all wonderful. The song's very Pointer Sisters. It's absolutely a viable pop song of the era. This is all a delight. Yeah, yeah, but no, best part of the special, I feel like.

Yeah, I agree. They liked it so much that they reused some of Mickey dancing in the 35th anniversary special that we talked about last time. They looped the animation, I think, played over the Fresh Prince performance. That makes sense. Right. Yeah, yeah. We're play it over the Fresh Prince It makes sense to perform right? Yeah. Yeah Okay, I was real late in the episode and I'm just gonna ask another question that we probably don't know the answer to when is the Last time they shot something in Disneyland that had like a narrative

It feels like all they do in Disneyland now with these specials is just like somebody performs in front of the castle in Florida Yeah, yeah, just somebody's all that somebody doing an ad Theater it was like a parade a few years ago. Was it on a special, a TV special? I think it was on a special, but I don't know that it followed up with anything. Yeah, I just want some antics in the parks. Are you talking about the thing where Darth Vader

is like going on the rides? No, no, not that. That's a commercial, right? Yeah, yeah. There was something else, maybe it was in Disney World. I'm wrong. I think it was in Neil Patrick I'm wrong. I think was a Neil Patrick Harris thing that narrows it down. Let's Be anything less listener. Yeah, let us know Saving mr. Banks perhaps because oh they go they go to Disneyland in the mid they had to like, you know, yeah

Yeah, the park back to the 60s. There's an episode of Modern Family I just looked it up, because I was like, how late did the ABC shows? Oh, the Goldbergs went to Disney, too, I believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not the only one we're forgetting, even. But that's like 2012. But with specials specifically,

was there like a last special that had like an original? Really, that probably begs the question, what was the last good special? Well, that's a great question, yeah. Did good specials go past the 90s because the 90s certainly seemed to peak. Well early 2000s California venture opening day. Oh wait yeah you got your Richard Kind and Barry Postwick. So that's what I'm talking about is when was the last one of those. High jinks. Yeah yeah. Last one of those. Not just a concert. Right right not just a concert. And why did they stop? These are wonderful we all like and know, if we like them

and if our listeners like them, surely that means that millions of people like things like this. We can extrapolate this to the entire population. Well this is based on that random sampling. This is the most listened to podcast in the world. That's right. So therefore.

So it would translate perfectly. I don't see why not. Our sensibility is the sensibility of America and the world at large. Yes, yes, proven time and time again. That's right Accessible relatable. Yes. Yes. The taste is Perfection bring them back bring back dance numbers like this and then the you know, I mean it's it's crazy It sucks that we're towards the end of the episode because it takes so much to explain how the story reps

I'll give it a shot sorcerer shows up and goes hey magic wouldn't side you all along Let's first a spell who was I doesn't matter happy birthday He's really he's like he is starting to disappear from frame before the line is over Yeah, right, right, right, so yeah, okay. You did it, it was in you. Good dancing, I just wanna see you dance, mainly. Spells the first of it. That's all right. Mickey, you've been one of the most recognizable things

on Earth for 60 years. You can't say you have imposter syndrome, come now. Okay. Well, it all, it works out. He gets to celebrate his birthday, he gets to join Minnie on the castle. Roger gets some credit, you know, Roger shows up. Oh yeah, he gets the headline, Roger Abbott discovers missing Mickey Mouse.

Donald quitted. I think my guess would be it was USA Today because that was available everywhere. So that way they don't have to like, swap in. Yeah, that's a good solution. everywhere so that way they don't have to like localize. They should spend more time on Donald coping with like being absolved of this. Off of death row. Yeah yeah. New lease on life. And vowing to find the real killer. I mean we do we get a moment of him a little Y-I-OTA when they in the news footage go right Donald and Mickey reuniting and he's like of him a little why I oughta when they when the news footage go right Donald and Mickey reuniting and he's like, haha

Gets a little buddy old pal from Donald Just what like how do you make it up to it? Like he's been the like the car and the company seems to go along with the company. Yeah, right hands him over Yeah, probably him. He's always been trouble early on I think it's a Charles Fleischer who says that makes a lot of money Oh, yeah, he does say that, the duck makes a lot of money. Oh yeah, he does say that, yeah. Duck makes a lot of money, or however Charles Fleischer vocally chose to deliver

his lines in that moment. Wow, this is like, they're being honest about how Hollywood covers things up. Does Mel Fellini say kill the duck? Isn't there like a joke about like kill the duck and he goes, ah, we can't kill him, he makes a lot of money or something. Yeah, that's exactly right he makes a lot of money

Right, so there's murder talk earlier even this is a joke But it's a violent special this we know in the eyes of some of us. It's an exceedingly sexual special Yes, it's nc 17 level as far as i'm concerned So what we're saying is at least we we like it and we want it to be around but yes Not for children. They they should produce things like this. Yes, but children should never lay eyes I should not be exposed to Mel Fellini's white mock turtleneck He also wears a few days in a row and I don't know if he made the same pledge Or if they just didn't have a wardrobe change For the 90 minutes they had Carl

Are you thinking for Halloween this year? You'll be melpholy Pretty good at the most Halloween costume would have to be explained in history second only to Lindbergh, baby That and I believe there was some con artists who tried to be like, I'm the Lindbergh baby. Yes, I'm the grown-up Lindbergh baby. I'm the grown-up Lindbergh baby. Yes, that 100% happened. Oh, oh, huh. Good racket if you can pull it off.

We tried, we haven't succeeded. We get a real parade. Oh yes, yeah. We get the real parade that was at Disneyland. We get video birthday greetings. Oh yeah, from a bunch of stars. From the Golden golden girls a hot NBC property. Oh, yeah another one Burt Reynolds. Yep Someone who wait a minute the version I was watching cut off a lot of these I really don't really I didn't see Burt. Whoa someone who I was like, this is in between Charo and Gem and the holograms

I looked it up. It's Diane Cannon. I am another actress where like Turned 40 and it was like nope. you're not gonna ever see this person again. And I looked it up. Logix run rules. She must've, she had rockstar hair. She was, had just done a Sunday night Disney movie called Rock and Roll Mom. Ah!

Ha ha ha ha! So they must've just gotten it on set because it was a thing that Disney was shooting for, you know, what would become Magical World at Disney. Well, this might be the first utter in some rock and roll mom on this show. Diane Cannon is in the Walter Matha Jack Lemmon movie Out to Sea.

So also. Oh, okay. She did work. Oh, another old. Yeah, you're allowed to be in movies if you're the co-star of olds. Of the grumpiest, oldest men. Right. Phil Collins. Phil Collins. Yeah, yeah, I saw him. You're allowed to be in movies if you're the co-star of olds. Of the grumpiest, oldest men.

Right. Phil Collins. Phil Collins. Yeah, yeah, I saw him. Annette Funicello. Yep. Bette Midler and her friend. Which is-

I was wondering who was with Bette Midler. This is, Beaches was at Buena Vista. Oh, yeah. Right in that year. Oh, now they did so much Bette Midler. Another actress, Barbara Hershey Like was hot and then like they you know never saw her again and then

The my last observation really is that Minnie's dressed exactly like Jackie. Oh, yep Box hat pearls, it's you know, to me I'm like, don't get in a motorcade, Mickey. Classic look, you know? The specter of violence, just like throughout this thing. But like the way Mickey was able to reverse time early in the special, it's like he reversed, you know,

like America lost its innocence when JFK died and it would happen all over again if Mickey Mouse died. So it really, it reclaims the pillbox hat as a non-blood splattered, as a perfectly good item of clothing for America's princess to wear. Great way to think of the special. I think, you know, I didn't go into that thinking

there was gonna be a big important lesson or a big important piece of Americana. Yeah, yeah, we learned that. So this special is JFK in reverse. Right. And the magic was in inside John F. Kennedy all along. It feels like this era of Eisner if like a writer went in and, okay, it's JFK in reverse Mickey special. He goes, all right, great. Whatever. Do it. Let's do it. Let's try it. Like he was greenlining everything. He didn't all right, great, whatever, do it. Let's do it, let's try it. Like he was green lighting everything. He didn't care.

He might've green lit that pitch. What I'm trying to figure out really, oh, I don't know if I can do it. I'm trying to really quickly see if I can find an Eisner intro for Rock and Roll Mom. Oh, wow. Maybe we can just tack it on if it is found or I'll post it if it's found,

but all the versions I'm finding don't have the Eisner intro so I won't do the oh what a tease I shouldn't end with such a such a tease but we might have to I know the listeners are salivating ooh unless nope I failed three times man well I hate to end on such a negative note the last things from my tape the next week, a bold new take on Davy Crockett. Yes, right, right. That's what we've got on. Oh, I always saw in those intros that there was a new Davy Crockett.

What was up with the new Davy Crockett? It's really a lot in the opening of this special. Yeah, yeah. They show this every week. A new Davy Crockett. Davy Crockett guardian spirit. New Davy Crockett fights the new monkeys. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Johnny Cash is in the new Davy Crockett fights the new monkeys. Johnny Cash is in the new Davy Crockett. Wow. Wow. Wow. Oliver and Company opens nationwide. My first movie. Yeah. My first movie in a theater.

Yeah. Wow. We were all, we were all headed to the theater. And this week, this very week. That's right. This has looped us around back to our childhood, this era, like probably right before we could remember anything.

That's right. Took us back there in a magical way. And the craziest thing I found out about this special, it might be not real, but it was on IMDB. They said this was released theatrically in Finland and Russia. Yeah. Whoa.

Which is like like imagine the disappointment 45 minutes first of all too short. I don't know what the movies are like there. So maybe this was a big hit I don't know. Yeah, they paired it with another short film that was also meditation on death Double bill. Oh, yeah. No, they didn't they didn't find it moody and miserable in Russia whatsoever Yeah, this was a light-hearted comedy movie of the summer. What is LA law? Oh yeah, no, they didn't, they didn't find it moody and miserable in Russia whatsoever. Yeah. This was a lighthearted comedy. A movie of the summer. What is LA law?

Well, Joe, thank you for bringing this to us. Now I'm enjoying this lane very much of, uh, of old specials with their commercials. Uh, it's, it's been delightful to do and, uh and I'd like to figure out more about Rock and Roll Mom, but yeah, or was the other one, oh, Golden Age of, I don't know, whenever you got one, you go tape diving, you let us know. Yeah, I mean, what I've got, I've got the Mickey's Happy Valentine special.

I'll have to preview some of these, because the two we've done are like fun. I don't know the quality of these other ones. Angela Lansbury somberly talking about the majesty of Snow White. May not be a ton of meat on that bone. Yeah, I'd like them to be sadder and gorier, if possible. That would be my request.

But before you go, diving for those, Joke Was All You Survived podcast, The Ride. Thank you for joining us, what a delight. This was great. Let's exit through the gift shop. Is there anything you'd like to plug? Yeah, you know, I don't know when this comes out and when that is in relation to an announcement

about a movie screening in Los Angeles. But if you follow me on, you know, Instagram, TikTok, at joequah, J-O-E-K-W-A, I will certainly be posting about a movie that will be June 29th. I'm trying to avoid saying things that I can't say. Let's just say it'll be at Los Angeles' most Chinese theater. Oh, a subtle hint.

So mark your calendars. It's a- AMC 6 in Chinatown. But I will. Statistically, the theater that shows the most Chinese language films would be. But I was very fortunate to write and make a movie last year that will be start to screen places very soon. So yeah, congrats on this endeavor and wrapping it up.

And I can't wait to see it. And if people follow you on Joe Kua, they'll also see a lot of great sketches and a lot of great material year round. Yes. Not constantly, yeah. My podcast is kind of on the off season right now because the Rock Hall inductees were just announced,

but who cares about the Rock Hall if you wanna, we will be posting stuff from like the vault and stuff. So there will still be content over there as well. Yeah, yeah. And I caught the announcements, but now I can't remember. Did Rock and Roll Mom make the- Special category. Oh, okay, great.

The maternal category. No, they got her in through the side. Maybe they were next to Lenny Warronker. The side categories are Rock and Roll Mom, New Monkeys. Oh, good, wow. New Monkeys beat Monkeys, that's crazy. That's right, yeah. Oh my God.

If I can make a bold prediction, I think the Monkeys will get in next year. Why next year? They seem to open some sort of floodgate. We'll see if it is a floodgate or a regular gate, but they put Chubby Checker in this year, who's one of those long time snub artists that you thought the hall was never going to acknowledge.

And I feel like if they're gonna go Chubby Checker and reverse course from like this long snub, then I could the monkeys being next well. Yeah, make me very happy. Yeah Yeah, that's my it's my no no my prediction my family could really use this You're wearing the black arms for Mickey almost died Mickey almost died. He's still got an arm band and it's got a half circle and then another half circle. Right. Well, Mickey's the only monkey alive. So I know, I know.

Before another Mickey dies. Right. Let's get this done. Well, thank you, Joe. As for us, for three bonus episodes every month, check out podcast throughout the second gate or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier club three. You will find all of that at patreon.com slash podcast.

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