Podcast: The Ride - Norman Bates & The Psycho House with Chelsea Rebecca

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

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FOREVER! DOG! No late arrivals will be admitted, for shocking twists await. For example, Jason talks about seeing a bunch of old office chairs. Guess I spoiled that one, but there's more to come. Chelsea Rebecca from Dead Meat joins us to talk Universal's storied history with Norman Bates on Hauntcast the Fright! Welcome, foolish mortals, to Hauntcast the Fright fright a masterful work of suspense which we hope gets remade 38 years from now precisely the same but with more masturbation i'm the gare wolf and joined for this haunt cast season by oh uh spiky snarl gun gun snarl gun i sort of really screwed it up because like oh i'm so embarrassed. I'm sorry. I ruined the show.

It wouldn't be the Hot Cast of the Fright Month if there wasn't a lot of hemming and hawing about the names. If we just said them confidently and moved on, that's not what we do. We get caught in the brambles on these. And we'll see if the next guy gets caught in the brambles. His name is? Jackal Skeridan. Jackal Skeridan's wonderful. Yeah. Thank you. gets caught in the brambles his name is jackal scaradin because scaradin's wonderful yeah thank you it only took seven years and i started writing them down so i would remember it doesn't become

like oh right uh uh oh but i look forward to every year when mike uh on every episode is like ah shit trying to remember try to keep it that way try to keep uh not getting them right yes we are kicking off yet another hot cast the fright season we got a lot of fun in store all october and i really like where we're kicking things off today because we are joined by a true horror head and from the sounds of it a big theme park head as well from the dead meat podcast and youtube channel it's chelsea rebecca hi yes if you look closely in the background of this podcast, you can see me out a window walking my dogs by like Alfred Hitchcock.

Yes, this is my spooky cameo appearance. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Thanks for making a cameo and a full appearance as well. And not only that, I mean, so excited you're here. Thank you for reaching out.

I'm so happy to meet you. And then what a great arrival too, so excited you're here. Thank you for reaching out. I'm so happy to meet you. And what a great arrival, too, that you wore the shirt. Yes, my exciting eBay purchase. I can't believe I already found an appropriate occasion on which to wear it. I have a Psycho 1998 promotional giveaway T-shirt that someone on eBay is trying to get rid of lots of them. So check it out. Yeah, they come in every size and you can tell that some marketing department made them and no one wanted them. This is not a thing.

There is nostalgia. Somehow nostalgia has not accrued for 98 exact remake. I just saw somebody try to dig up a little enthusiasm for like you know what 98 was like one like tweet or something that i feel like somebody was like hey hey everybody didn't we actually like this thing and that's probably me maybe it was and this is you were saying this is a runner on your podcast. It's been a runner basically since the beginning of our show, since like 2017, 18. I don't know how it started. Actually, no, I do remember.

I was playing a game where I was reading my husband taglines from like horror posters and making him guess what they were. And I read the Psycho 98 tagline, which is the same. And was like, oh, that's incorrect. It's technically the 1998. And so it just became a runner to kind of like break his winning streak in games. Just slip in the 98 Psycho. Oh, there's no way to know. Yeah. Psycho 98.

When I was 13, 14, and we rented it because we were a big Hitchcock family like everyone could agree on Hitchcock my mom really liked Hitchcock um uh and this is not the actor I wrote down that I was excited about but in that movie the private detective in 98 is william h macy right and that was a very weird 14 year old thing that was like look it's william h macy you mean like you were so excited i was so excited but did you think it was weird he was in there because like he would just discovered him like no i think it was weird that a 14 year old in the year like anyone 1999 or 2000 had that much enthusiasm about william h macy's career i bet that i had a similar enjoyment of william h macy and awareness i will say i don't know that it was such a anomaly i don't want to make you feel less special i'm not trying to do that i'm just saying that

mystery men's around this time he was out there there, Boogie Nights. Mystery Men was great. I was also very into David Mamet's filmography, which looking back has very hit and miss. But William H. Macy shows up in a lot of those. Sure. Philip Baker Hall. Philip Baker Hall's terrific. I hadn't seen, he's the psychiatrist scene at the end. Ray Wright, or is that Forster?

Wait, now I'm going crazy. Oh, yeah. I forget. Are they both in it? They might be both in it. Robert Forster? Yeah. I forget if Robert Forster's in it.

Oh, my gosh. Maybe I'm not the number one psychiatrist. You still could be. That's true. I still could be. I don't think we have time to hear my Robert Forster. Yeah, Robert Forster is Dr. Simon Richmond. Oh, he's the end character.

Oh, and then Philip Baker Hall's the sheriff. That's what it is. Okay, okay. Sorry to get them tangled. Excited they're both in there. Both great. You have a Robert Forrester story? I do have a Robert Forrester story.

Is the story going to be, we were a big Robert Forrester family, and then he was in the movie? It is not. I have not one, but two autographed headshots of robert forrester because he did not like his signature on the first one oh he did it again my old landlord was a floral designer at a flower shop and the owner of it was dating Robert Forrester towards the end of his life. How do we not know this?

She mentioned it at one point and I was like, oh my God, I love her, but Forrester. And I didn't get a letter opener because that was his thing. He always gave letter openers out. But he signed a headshot when I didn't like it. He didn't like his signature. So he signed another headshot and I didn't like it. He didn't like his signature. So he signed another headshot and he gave her both of them. So I have two Jason Robert Forrester headshots. That's so sweet.

I love him. Jackie Brown's one of my favorites. It's in my top three. Sure, yeah. Do you have them framed? Like, where are they? I don't have them framed. I think I just have it with a file with some art and some other photographs okay it would be fun to frame the mistake

actually yeah i think i should yeah you saw this process you saw a great actor's process at work absolutely um chelsea uh excited just to i mean and we'll we'll focus on on norman bates and and and uh all things psycho here uh as it relates to Universal Studios, the theme park. But also, I mean, you're big into Halloween Horror Nights. And I'm not sure about the other one, but I know that you were up there. And have done for many years a red carpet appearance, like you live stream the Halloween Horror Nights red carpet. This year was our first red carpet that we live streamed. And it was the year that it was 107 degrees outside.

So a lot of people were not, they were, because we were located right next to the AMC at CityWalk where they had the doors just slightly propped open so you could feel that it was cold in there. And i think by the time people got to where we were they were like oh but that i can tell it's real cold in there they would just kind of i'm sorry whoever you are you're not air conditioning john carpenter i'll allow it uh he walked by us just flashing peace signs like hey thanks guys i gotta go home and play Sonic or whatever. He's getting up there.

It's great we still have him. You don't want him to, whatever makes you comfortable. We've been fortunate to interview him before, and it was awesome. We barely talked about movies. We talked about video games and the economic situation of Detroit, because I said I was from Detroit, and he was like, oh, what's going on there? Like, tell me about it. We're like, oh, what's going on there? Like, what's, tell me about it. I'm like, okay. He's really cool.

That's great. I was shocked to see him like on the red card, like at horror. Yes. He got out of the house for this? Wow. That's cool. Got those music royalties. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he was there with his wife, Sandy. Like, did he go through a house, do you think? I doubt it. I doubt it, right? But like, why not? Like, you was there with his wife, Sandy. Like, did he go through a house, do you think? I doubt it.

I doubt it, right? But, like, why not? Like, you're there. At least get ushered through it before everyone goes. How was everyone's spirits at 107 degrees at Horror Nights? Because I've watched some live streams, and people still seem to be having fun. Yeah, like, surprisingly, everyone was, I don't know, no one seemed cranky. I think it was just so nasty out that it became like a, oh, we're all in this together kind of thing.

You know, it kind of went past that point of the bell curve. Like it was past miserable into like, well, you know, we're all here. Let's just have fun. Help each other. Yeah. Not I saw that they weren't you couldn't bring your own water bottles in universal was not in the team spirit as much as the people there i think since we were media we were able to oh thank god but that's actually kind of crazy especially since i did see someone uh being attended to who i presume had like heat stroke or something. Oh, yeah.

I saw that happen at Disneyland the week prior, too. Where like on Pixar Pier, someone hit the deck. Yeah. Oh, no. And fair warning, if you're going when it's this hot out, although this is coming out a bit later, so I think hopefully it's better by now. But some of the houses are hotter on the inside,

and I just feel so bad for those actors. Like the Ghostbusters house, which we were excited for because it's, those actors like the Ghostbusters house which we were excited for because it's oh it's Ghostbusters Frozen Empire it'll be cold in there right it's so sweltering that's kind of what I thought too Mike Scullins made a joke to that effect oh yeah not and I was like that is true at least there'll be there'll be a cooling effect why did we think that I don't know that I fully believe that but I was like oh maybe there'll be a cacooling effect. Why did we think that? I don't know that I fully believe that, but I was like, oh, maybe there'll be a room or two where they have some sort of like a freezer open. There is one maze we went through. We didn't go through all of them.

We tapped out. It was just, it was too much. But there was one we went through where it's this, it's not an IP. It's like this radioactive zombie kind of maze. It's by the mummy ride, I think. It's kind of tucked away in a corner but that room you walk through at one point and it's a freezer with a bunch of bodies hanging up and that room is actually cold so if you're looking for somewhere that's cool just a few

minutes of respite it's the freezer in the radioactive zombie you should try to hide like hug a corpse in there and hide. Meanwhile, the evening weather in Orlando, I've been looking, is usually the mid to low 70s. It's very pleasant in Orlando. You check the weather in Orlando every night. You know it. I have like eight or ten cities saved in my weather app. You stare out at the moon and think about what it looks like in Orlando every night. Yeah, like a F-year-old situation.

Yes, yes. I'm like on the windowsill. And you like transport to the windowsill of the Islands of Adventure White House. Their scare zones are under the same moon. Right. This is a little validating what you've said in terms of the heat, at least at the beginning of the season, which was a while ago as listeners hearing this. But you were there up there for the first night.

The second night, Mike and I were set to go. Tickets were arranged and I was going to brave it for the first time because last year's Hauntcast was the first that I've participated in anything. I think what got me over the hump was that the things that we did were so stupid. The names themselves are so dumb. We did a haunted car wash.

We did Shacktoberfest. I was so delighted by... Oh, even... You know what we didn't end up doing an episode about? I went... Our friend Joe Quazala, I followed him to the LA Haunted Hayride in Griffith Park, which has something that he's a big fan of, a zombie lounge singer named Monty Rivolta.

I watched Monty Rivolta's set. No real scares beyond that, other than the general eeriness of just the vibe of Monty Rivolta. Of course. But anyway, all of these things made me, last year's for sure my favorite october my favorite like halloween season doing the show or not so i was a little bit like

this time i think i'm ready mike get me in then it was the night before the night you were up there and i was like i hate to say it i don't know if i can because like i'm teetering as it is i'm a scaredy cat i was like i think i can it, but you add that heat to it. And I was like, too many things. I'm an adult. I don't need to do this. Just sensory overload for sure. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So it's been rescheduled. Let's just say that. This is maybe the element of suspense of the month in general. Will I, Scott, do anything? Was the year enough to reset me and make me will I find an excuse that isn't heat was that me making an excuse to not do it or was it I mean it was so horrible it was horrible yeah I will I have all these questions too though I said well

when it's 15 degrees what will it be something else I don't know I don't know the answer myself the answer I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm excited to find out. I'm excited to see what it is. And listeners, yeah, we'll have to wait all month. And Shaq to find out. We at least need to do the, and we didn't get a chance to do this when we went. We're planning on going again also, but there is

a Chucky live where he roasts everyone and I want to see it so bad. You didn't do it. No, we did not do it. Late Night with Chucky in the DreamWorks Theater. The Kung Fu Panda theater. It was great.

We interviewed Zachary Arthur on the red carpet who we've talked to before. It was our first time meeting him in person. He's one of the actors on the Chucky show. He's the lead on that show. We asked, are you going to go do that,

the Chucky live roast thing? He was like, that's my job. I get paid to have Chucky insult me all day. There's nothing he can say anymore. He said, too much Chucky at work. I understand. Yeah, yeah. Thick skin.

Wow. We'll see if Chucky will roast Scott. Yeah, yeah. If it was Chucky, we'll find out that Scott. Yeah. Yeah. If it was Chuck, oh, it's all a thing. I was, that,

that does help me get, I would like to say, because there's nothing about me going that says that then I have to do all of the scariest. You can just enjoy the, there's a way Jason and I should take bets on what, how long you last. I'll say, we'll figure it out off the houses that we did.

We did the ghostbusters house. We did the Universal Monsters house, which we called Oops All Women because it's all women. Like it's it's Bride of Frankenstein. It's a it's a female descendant of Van Helsing and they're like road tripping and killing female monsters. It's cool as hell. And this might interest you might tip you in favor of going through that one at least. I think for the first time ever that they have a maze on stage 12, is it 12? Where they filmed the original Frankenstein, Bride of Frankenstein.

A bunch of the old Universal, which is why they have the Universal Monsters in there this year. Oh, right. Which I think is really, really cool. That is cool. That's the big one. From my tour guide days, I remember that was the first one you could see, and it had the most exciting montage I could play. Because some stages, honestly, not a lot interesting happened in.

But that one, it's like you're playing the montage, and it's like, it's alive! Say hello to my little friend! Yep, they have a scar. Roar! Like T-Rex attack. That was a good one. You get down the hill, and then you hype everybody up with the coolest stage. Granted, you only see a corner of it and that's the end of that.

But I would like to go on stage 12. I'll check that stage. Wow, wow. Interesting. Yeah. I won't say it now, but there's a spoiler from Ghostbusters Maze that I actually am like, oh, why did it get spoiled for me? There's a good spoiler.

Yeah. And I think you know what it is. I know what it is. Yeah. But I was like, oh, that would get spoiled for me there's a good spoiler yeah and I think you know what it is but I know what it is yeah but I was like oh that would have been fun but I won't say that again we have to go you have to go I don't want you you'll probably go oh yeah okay our favorite was the weekend and it was our it was our favorite because this is the second time he's done a house and the first time he did a house it was also our favorite that year it just visually it's always so different than everything else and there's so much color and the first time he did a house, it was also our favorite that year. It just, visually, it's always so different than everything else and there's so much color and the sound is always incredible

and it was the maze I got the most genuinely scared in. I got caught off guard by so many. There's lots of like unexpected changes in scale in that one that I think are really cool. Uh-oh, that's the, yeah, you just talked me out of it. I did actually think of this show because there are certain points

where it's like there's a big thing in a room and I remember that coming up. You know this thing. I do know the thing. That's my thing. That was yours, okay. And genuinely scary. No, you've just talked me out of the weekend, Miz.

Well, we can talk to you. There's a weekend bar that can give you courage to get on the weekend. I'm all the way in on the weekend bar. You can always just ride the rides because they don't have lines during horror nights. Yeah, that too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that too. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's nice. Me being there at all counts as something. You can get into Toad Cafe easily, apparently. Oh, wow. We have friends the same night. Just walk in. That's a good idea. That's interesting.

I would like to have something, an okay something, shaped like a Mario thing. Yeah, and not for it to be the most joyless cafeteria. It feels like it's a disaster you know, it's a disaster situation and well, here we can get everybody fed at least. Right. There's an air of panic

and stress in every corner of the room. Wow. Yeah, all right. Well, there's a lot to look forward to. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. A lot of potential. Well, thank you for this preview of it and in terms of the main thing to talk about, I think this is a great thing,

this is a great slice to take. Slice? I didn't even intend for any pun there. Of Universal's history, of the big cred, I feel like in a horror sense, to the backlot area in general. The presence of Norman Bates, the Bates Motel, and the Psycho House. This is a great thing to peel off as its own thing. Was there anything particularly that drew you to that as kind of an area to meditate on?

I just think because living in L.A., it's a city where L.A. tends to destroy a lot of its own history. It's almost like the theme park, the Disney problem, where it's like this is a business ultimately and so do you have do you prioritize the museum aspect or do you prioritize the like new and exciting aspect right and so it's rare i think for giant set pieces like that to survive for so long that's not just in like a private collector's it's there. If you go to the park

it's there for you to enjoy. And during horror nights if you take the tram tour you can get up super close which I think is reason enough to do the tram tour. You walk right alongside the Bates Motel and you can get your picture taken with Norman on the steps of the house. Wow. Yeah.

Absolutely. I got yelled at last year because I accidentally stepped on the step. Oh, yeah. My husband also, I think, got scolded for doing that. It's tempting. I didn't do it on purpose also. I just like, I don't remember. I was trying to get in position for the photo.

Yeah. It's normal. He's a nice young man. You want to? I just want to take a photo with a nice young man. It's very polite. Sure. Buttoned up.

Yeah, absolutely. And it's also like, it's sort of, I mean, plenty of things have shot there over the years, but it's not the same as you leave up the Back to the Future set and other things can reappropriate that and give it different. But Psycho is sort of Psycho. Yeah. It's too iconic to read. It's clearly the Psycho house.

Yes. The clock tower from back to it's like that has been used so many other times yeah but the psycho house if you ever see it in other stuff it's there to be the psycho house like i don't know if you saw maxine but there's a scene in that where they specifically drive up to the the house in a golf cart and they're like they shot psycho it's just this moment where they're kind of in awe of this right thing and yeah she sees uh like a image of of pearl in the window kind of like mrs bates it's cool oh i see i see another aspect of the experience that they leave uh mother up there yep in the window um no it's a neat like it's a it's a cool like i'm flashing back to being a kid and taking the tram tour and not and at a point where i haven't seen psycho i just know culturally and from simpsons parodies what psycho anima from like i'll never see it uh but i it's it's cool that just kind of uh two facades

have an eerie feel that stays with you in where there is no tech right it's not of course king kong and earthquake are going to give you a feeling yeah and scare you and jaws is going to jump out at you but just that like architecture is scary to drive by yeah it's kind of a it is funny now that i think about it that that still exists on the tram tour where as like other stuff they've added and the psycho hotel or motel and house have outlived like the the briefly i remember the fast and furious like the cars on the kooka arms do you remember it outlived the gasolina cars you know rightfully so that should have lived as long as it did yeah but just the fact that it has so much more staying power than stuff where yeah like you said there's

tech this is just a guy with a body in a bag and he dumps it into a trunk. Yes. Yeah. And there wasn't always that. That was a change. The Norman Bates show that occurs and that there is a walk around Norman Bates. There's some urban legends as to where that originated. That's true. Well, so, yeah, I think, you know, it's been on the tour since the the tour started like proper tram tour starts in 64

and uh which is when psycho 60 correct 60 yeah uh so they they left that up and it was like a it was a perfect like you know probably one of the primary attractions recognizable spot it's been moved around a couple times right yeah that's something that's something I didn't realize. I didn't know that until I was doing some homework for this, that it's been packed up and moved around, both the motel and the house. Yeah, yeah. Which I wonder, like, I'd wondered that before, but it's like it would be weird because you have to also recreate kind of the grounds because the house has to be up on the end of the stairs.

Yeah, the perspective of it from the, mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems hard to move the motel. Yeah, that's true. The house I can conceive of moving. Yeah, because the house takes up less space. And it's a little bit of an illusion. And it's hollow.

How big it is. Yeah. I could feel you and I could just drag that thing somewhere. Yeah, me too. But the motel, no way. No. But I guess you just break the hotel into pieces. Yeah, it's all...

And move it like that. Yeah. The hotel's all empty break the hotel into pieces. Yeah, it's all like that. The hotel's all empty on the inside as well. Moving houses used to be more common, especially in Los Angeles. People would buy a different plot of land and move a house. Right. I think someone did it a few years ago, and it was like news.

Really? To move a house, you had to put it on like a giant truck. And you had to shut down roads. Is it the jerk? There's a whole gag with the house on the truck like that. Am I thinking of the right movie where there's a whole set piece with the house? I know what you're talking about. And I can't remember what it is.

It's not. I don't know if you're thinking of Freddy Got Fingered. But he moves his father's house around him to Pakistan. Right. But I don't think it's, yeah, yeah, yeah, on a big arm. Yeah. Kind of fun sequence. You've created a cool indoor retreat.

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I know that when... It's like a Theseus's ship kind of thing where it's been... I wasn't sure if it was one of the ones from the sequels that survived because that was the one in, the short-lived one, Universal Orlando, was technically the house from Psycho 4? That was, yes,

very much from Psycho 4. Built there in order to have like an arbitrary, it's like we're opening a movie studio, we gotta film something there. All right, Psycho 4 is in motion, you're coming down here and they actually were filming that arbitrary uh it's like we're opening a movie studio we gotta film something there all right psycho four is in motion you're coming down here and they actually were filming that right after the park opened so june 1990 you could go right up to it and watch they filmed most of it at night

so it wasn't really a problem but i think there were times where they were actually filming scenes and the regular paying theme park people could walk pretty close up to it and the juxtaposition freaked me out as a kid in 91 or 92 whenever my family went because it's like the five-hole play area is here the psycho four is over there and there's a giant hard rock cafe and i'm like what is going what is this it's a very chaotic corner and also just the way that it like it's almost like a sadder is the it like it just descends into nothing back there is what i remember so it's like the theme park's over and it ends at a scary house yeah it's like sad dusty planes there's like majesty to the one in hollywood the way they presented it like really feels important

yeah like in the way it's whatever the two things are there do you think the ones here are both of them are the original buildings i know that the the motel's been refurbished um i think john murdy who does like the horror nights like he's the big he's the creative director i think he was involved in a big refurb of the motel to kind of bring it back to what it would have looked like. Because it's been used. It was used in the 98 remake. I actually, so a friend of mine, his name's Trevor Dow. He said it was fine if I used his name.

He is Norman Bates on the tram tour. So there's a chance if you go on the tram tour or if you do the little meet and greet, it's Trevor. I asked him, like, do you have any cool behind the scenes stuff? And he told me that, you know, the original locations and stuff. He said that in the remake, the motel used to be like wooden planks. Like, I think there was a lot of like wooden stuff on the exterior, but then it was changed over to kind of cinder block which is still what it is now so i think the motel's a weird amalgamation of like original material but then also stuff they put in for this remake which is kind of oh interesting yeah wow um because like they've

definitely converted it back to the old vibe for the most part because it's like you know old it's the old sign because that that you you can so like, you know, it's the old sign because that you can so picture from the black and white. And the 90s one was kind of more, 90s one in general was all like kooky and a lot of Julianne Moore's wearing like dresses with weird bubbles all over them. And then if I'm remembering

correctly, what they did with the house is even stranger. They don't even use the psycho house in the remake they built a like a front in front of the house so it's a different house but it's concealing the actual they for sure use the there's a title in front of it but it's the old it's like the the motels there so you're like there's the stairs and then yeah they just built this weird house it's like the motel's there, so you're like, well, there's the stairs, and then,

so they just built this weird house. It's a different house. That's kind of, I mean, there's nothing iconic about that house. Maybe if the movie had been a hit, it would have been, but it's also kind of, I don't know,

that could be where the puppies are being kept in 101 Dalmatians. There's nothing particularly, it's not that like, there's no choice in the house, like the scary, the creepy skinniness. It's such a strange, there's no choice in the house. Like the creepy skinniness. It's such a strange almost meta thing, I think.

Because when you watch the remake, everyone's a bizarro version of the original characters. Because everything is so identical. And I think they were just like, why not do that to the house too? Like the house is almost like a weird recast. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But framed with the same framing. It's so bizarre. With the old, but yeah, I was glad I watched it.

It was a very interesting watch, I thought. And then that resulted in a weird time where I might have taken the tour in this time where then they moved, they kept the facade, but they moved it over. So there was a time right before the movie was going to come out where you would go by there and there were two psycho houses, original and 98. Really strange. Bring it over. So there was a time right before the movie was going to come out where you would go by there and there were two psycho houses, original and 98.

Really strange. Bring it back. Yeah, yeah. Bring it back. That I would like. I'd sign off on that for sure. So very strange history. Interesting.

So they kept some of the elements of it and they've refurbished it. And that's been the spot since mid 80s, I think. I think it's been, I think the current spot is like 80s to present it moved around a bunch before that which is you know what it doesn't need to be uh the same i don't care that it moved up the hill yeah they recreated the vibe perfectly it's 100 feet away it's all good it's still magical to be again if you do the tram tour, to get that close to it. And you're just so aware that this is the stuff they used. It's so neat.

Yeah. And then in Horror Nights, and I don't know if they're doing this this year with the Terror Tram, you get to walk right up front by the motel, too. There's scares there. Yeah. That's always, it goes through the parking lot. And they have people popping out of the motel rooms and stuff. That's cool.

The first time I got to do that, I was like, whoa, wow. I mean, I almost wished it was more psycho-themed. Yeah, that would be cool. But I don't know, if it was just a bunch of Normans, I don't know. But they always have the time. Yeah, who would you have popping out of each one? In every room, 12 Normans. Wait, now your friend, because you were doing a list, I mean, anything else he told you about what that experience is like?

Day to day, what a Norman shift is like? I'd be so curious. I didn't get any gruesome details. I just imagine it's a lot of sitting and waiting, you know? But I do think that they wait in, you know, it's the original, it's's cabin one which is apparently the only it's the only usable room in the motel it's got all the furniture and it's made up to look wow like the room um i don't know if they used the interiors of the motel for the movie but it is like made up i don't think they did i was curious i think that might have been on a stage yeah wow i did i did printed things i did print things yeah yeah he hasn't had to like just when you're

playing norman bates you don't have to do like a leto style immerse yourself acting no he just like he makes a face and he acts scary what's funny is like on that note i you know my friend who does it and when I was doing some kind of homework for this I found someone else on reddit saying that they knew someone who played Norman as well and that you know it's something where he knew a lot about the history of the building and I get the sense that all the guys who play Norman are like like really love like and care about this building and the history and are like very attached to it and are just you know like i don't know what i was expecting to get from my friend but this is

all just very like oh here's some like genuinely cool stuff about not like oh yeah here's what my day i sit around and it's boring you know it was like no this is i get to be in this really cool piece i don't know and it's it is in a way. It's very, they're just very nice young, young boys who are very respectful of the history that they're surrounded by. And it just all feels very appropriate. It feels, that just feels to me like when you go into the, whatever,

the pavilion, the room to see the American adventure at the American, uh, in Epcot center. Yeah. All the people in there are like museum level history nerds, American nerds. And like you really feel that from almost everybody, at least not necessarily the people

that work at the barbecue kiosk outside, but the people inside that are showing you around. I bet there's Sam the Eagle barbecue enthusiasts. Enthusiasts, but they're maybe not as diehard as the people that will explain like these are George W. Bush's boots and they know everything about the boots. I like hearing that there are like Norman enthusiasts

taking on the role. Yeah, they're almost like docents it feels like. You know, just because they end up spending so much time in there. What I remember, when they started,

they started the program when I was still working there. I think I started 2006 and I feel like 07 or 08 they started having, and I was still working there. I think I started in 2006, and I feel like 2007 or 2008 they started having it. And sometimes you would, like, because I started working very seasonally, and I think I may have encountered Norman for the first time, and it was genuinely a surprise. I think maybe nobody told me that they were doing that,

and I just had to react, which was not, I did not think it was an actual I'm actual um cytomaniac uh it was just out there randomly uh but i i remember that it was like i recognized all the people who were doing it and they were all people who were tour guides and i think like vip tour guides and the people who like really cared about it so like yeah i think something about it attracts like film historians like to do that part and there's one i know i I know, because I did that job so long ago and I don't remember his name, but I should say hi at some point,

but like I end up at the same coffee shop a lot with one of the Normans. And I remember him being a nice guy from working there, but I more remember that he was Norman. So there's still something for me where I'm like, uh oh, Norman. I better hole up in a corner and what's the furthest away I can get here?

It's unnerving. He already got a cold foam cold brew and then he just came over and said, we all go a little mad sometimes. It sounds like I just looked at the stuff I brought. I do think they might have shot the motel interiors in

there. Really? Yes. Oh, my God. And my friend said, I didn't see this anywhere online, so this might be cast member knowledge or just a fun little secret that I couldn't find pictures of or anything. But apparently, Marlee Renfro, who was the body double for the shower scene, because she was willing to do on on-screen nudity. She apparently recently visited. She's the only living cast member still.

Yeah, she's like in her 90s, I think. But she came to visit. She apparently booked it because she had modeled for Playboy. And so it was like, oh, yeah, I'm comfortable doing it. And she, I don't know how recently she was there but she apparently signed the the shower like her signatures in the hotel and there is a shower in there really wow that's what makes me think they might have filmed it right if there's that much stuff yeah yeah wow wow crazy that's very that's fascinating yeah yeah i know i didn't see that anywhere online

this might just be kind of a cool thing that recently happened. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I also think it's cool to see this because like there's all the other horror stuff. You like Michael Myers is around like Psycho hasn't been like sequel. There hasn't been a sequel for many years. It's like a lot at one point.

At one point there were a ton. I'm just saying now it almost feels a little more special going to see it because oh that's that old movie and now it's like i get to live it i get to live it here i don't see it everywhere it's not on billboards it's not like there's some specialness about it because of that in my mind not that i don't think they should do 10 sequels to the gus van sant movie i'm just saying it is like to me i feel a remake that like i want to see a remake of that with some like additional scenes that we can keep doing this weird like you know like copy of a copy of a copy like how far can we degrade what this movie ends up being oh yeah and by this if you did it

but for the seventh time would it still resemble the old one or would enough variances occur that it's kind of its own movie now? Yeah, like the half-life of it. Yes, exactly. It keeps degrading somewhat. Is there an episode of the Freddie Highmore Bates Motel TV show that's just a shot-by-shot remake of the Gus Van Sant psycho?

That would be good, yeah. Yeah, that would be. It should be. It should be, yeah. There was that, too. Really, per your statement, there's been a lot of psycho. There's been a lot. good, yeah. Psycho. Yeah, that would be. It should be. It should be, yeah. There was that, too. Really, per your statement, there's been a lot of psycho. There's been a lot. Okay, fine.

I forgot about the TV show. But not lately. But not lately is what I'm saying. I don't feel like. It's a miracle. There's other stuff that, like, you see the Minions. You go, well, the Minions are everywhere all the time, I feel like. So it just feels good to me.

I didn't watch the show. I'm sorry. I didn't watch the show. Yeah. Some people like the show, though. I yeah um the i think you kind of alluded to i don't this may have inspired the notion of putting characters up there because there was this story and i don't know if it was urban legend or i think it did actually happen but i believe that uh around 1999 that a tram tour was attacked by somebody dressed as mother and uh it was genuinely upsetting because it's what i was fearing when i

went by like i'm gonna assume that's an employee that is norman bates yeah uh but in this case truly nobody knew what it was and the guide came back and was freaked and when they poked around and figured out what happened, it was Jim Carrey filming Man on the Moon.

Thus, so in his, the anarchic Kaufman spirit, which we know much about and we're unnerved by much about in that documentary.

But fun, I mean that is kind of like living the dream. I feel like there's probably, I think there are some people who have filmed entire projects and been on the lot, a lot who do not care and don't want to engage with but I love hearing because I

loved it as a kid and I did it as a job the idea that an actor would be like oh my god we're on the tram to this i'm a theme park attraction let's go make some madness happen right um so that's that's fun well we got jason anthony geo and i got to do this because geo was working on the lot and he took us behind amity on the lake yeah we got a golf cart and we got to like i mean no one told us we could do this, but we just like reacted as if jaws had come out and we were surprised.

Well, you and Gio did. I just was smiling and waving at the, I missed the direction. I was going to be nice and not bring up the fact that Gio told us exactly what to do, and you just did not do it. No. Gio and I went, oh my God, and you were just like,

Jason, I'm scared. You said scared. I think I had turned around and was distracted Gio and I went, oh my God. And you were just like, Jason, scared. You said scared. I think I had turned around and was distracted because behind one of the building facades, there was a bunch of broken office chairs. So I was like, guys, look, it's like an office chair graveyard back here. For some reason, I was like, how did these office chairs get here? There's no office close by.

And then- This is very, if there's options A and B to be excited about, Jason will always find option G. Yeah. I just thought it was so strange. And then we got in the golf cart and we drove up and parked behind the Bates Motel. Yeah, yeah. And there was a Norman walking around and there was a VIP trolley. Then people walking around, it's like, oh, we shouldn't be here. We are just looky-loose.

No one cares. No one cares. That is the rule. If you sneak onto the Universal lot, no one cares. Just act like you belong there. As long as no one catches you sneaking on, no one cares. Now, if you sneak back to the lot with the utility vehicles and the free gas pumps, people will probably care. Oh, my God. Again, the most Jason-y thing.

You're scheming about to get free gas because you have a meeting. It's gas meant for a Four car tram But as long as They don't have auto shut on Like they sent me as an intern To go fill up the gas Of the Of the golf cart

That's why you Oh my god That's why you desire it so much You worked on the lot My husband worked on the lot When we both first moved out Yeah And he was a production assistant

So we also would take the golf cart And go all over it What was he on? What did he do? He just worked for the studio's post department. Oh, just in general? Yeah, lots of running hard drives and tape. Oh, gotcha.

Yeah, yeah. Free gas. Yeah. Free gas. They built out that side. It's by the Barham Gate where they built all these additional sound stages, and the superstore facade used to be there. We gotta get him free gas.

We gotta get somebody to get us a drive-on. Maybe it was diesel. Maybe it was lead. I don't know. I just like to imagine the one that you went on to the bar and sighed, got under the fence, glugged as much as you can and spit it out as soon as you got

out of the... I... Well, I also, God knows what I inhaled. Your stomach can hold a gallon of liquid. When I was a PA, I had to go pick up like hard drives or paperwork or something once at these temporary offices a day after the King Kong fire. And there's people in hazmat suits.

And the people in the temporary offices just had fans going in every direction. That was your time to strike. When they were all distracted by the fire. It was chaos. You should have stocked up on gas. You should have gotten all that free gas on the universal lot.

I don't know why we always get excited. My husband and I love the fact that it has its own fire department. Oh, yeah, yeah. That is a fun thing. Fire department. That's one of the first things you see, too. You're up right before stage 12. You're on your way down. I don't know why it's so own fire department. Oh, yeah, yeah. That is a fun thing. Fire department. That's one of the first things you see, too. You're right before stage 12.

You're on your way down. I don't know why it's so exciting to me. Just this tiny little... There's something tiny about it. It's like a Richard Scarry kind of fire department, you know? That's what proves it's a real city. You're like, universal city. That's cute, but fake.

No, no, no. It's a fire department. It's like Disneyland has a fire department. Yes, yeah. So there is something to like, even if it was real or not, I feel like it's a fire department. It's like Disneyland has a fire department. Yes, yes. So there is like something to like, even if it was real or not, I feel like it wouldn't matter. Just the idea that there's a special one.

Yeah. Have you all seen the Trey Parker, Matt Stone video that they made? Oh, The Secret. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Your studio and you. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

The black and white, right? It's an old film strip that with lots of cameo big cameos anymore steven spielberg's driving the tram wow because he's you know bruce the shark pops out and he goes ah it's scary but he kind of just you know that's right a non-plus spielberg doing that's a great idea like eating an apple the whole time it's already asked questions and then kind of like between bites yeah it's so I I love that thing so much when it has it's a great piece of I mean I like great for the studio stuff but also like that it has the South Park energy and the Trey Parker voice so like say that say that. And which is like, I just went to Casa Bonita.

I listened to that episode and I want to go there so bad. You totally sold me. It's so, yeah. I feel like I may have led to a wave of people, which I'm so glad about. And his voice is part of the magic of it. It's so cool. There's a permanent spot that has that.

And since we did that episode, very recently in tandem with the documentary, they have made it easier to go. Reservations are now open to the book. I still can't imagine it's that easy with the 600,000 people who are trying to do it, but there is a way. I signed up for the Founders Club email.

I've been meaning to sign up for the Founders Club. And Evan Susser also signed up yesterday. He said he did, he said he listened to the episode and he did what you said, turn the episode off and sign up. Great. So he actually did it in order you said.

Because I really didn't want to, it deserves to not be spoiled. It really, because there are surprises. I mean, I think he actually went back. Especially Black Bart's Cave. Just don't, do not, if you haven't heard it already,

don't listen to what I said about Black Bart's cave it's so fun you might get rewarded for your promotion with a second reservation one of the rarest theme park technically still because mine was a trade with somebody who did get to go himself because i think he he said he was smart and set up a separate one a month later too too. He nailed it. So I do still have my, yeah, I have a backup, but I don't know when the hell I'll get to do it. Well, you got to get back to LH Gardens and do all this stuff that was close.

Oh, what a time. Never again, never again. I just think with stuff like the Universal video that those guys made, I don't know, just finding other people where you're like, oh, you like this stuff the same way I do is so exciting. Yeah. You know, because I think, I don't know. I mean, I guess now there's more of the idea of like theme park adults or Disney adults.

It's more of a pop cultural kind of thing. But just, I don't know, because there's something that is not, I don't know, like theme parks are never the thing that you think people are going to find a respectable interest to have. It's just not, there's nothing cool about it. Exactly. Yes. And you have to, and that's probably when I was engaging with it, the least was kind of like teen years, 20s, because like you need the currency of cool and cool music and stuff if you but if you get past that i feel like for me it completely lines up with like uh meeting my wife oh i don't have to date anymore all right well fuck cool i do not need to care about that whatsoever but but i what i think what is great about it is that everybody who shares the interest are such fun, bubbly people for the most part.

Everybody does like it in the same way, which is pretty lit up. I think it's a fandom that's... There's miserable fandoms. There's fandoms where everybody just kind of reads off a list, and you've seen this? Okay, good. I saw the idea, too. But I find... Yeah, I think the fandom tends to be pretty like, I went on this thing, and it was so cool, okay, good. I saw the idea too. But I find, yeah, I think the fandom tends to be pretty like,

I went on this thing, it was so cool. I think the fandom is maturing. And when I say maturing, I mean there is more bad coming. It's growing. It's been growing a lot. There's a lot more content creators. We're certainly part of that. But then, you know, there's so many different,

once the Rivers of America was going away in Florida, a lot of people started popping up on my feed. And I went, oh, this feels like, you you know what i should be proud of the fandom for growing up so i see all some some bad stuff now more often yeah because that is a sign of success star wars has been a fandom for decades now and there's so many different pockets there's the resistance there's the first order there's different types whatever but this i feel like oh my god it's kind of it's coming into its own there's so many different yeah yeah because 10 years ago i don't even know i was i rediscovered all this stuff uh i guess in our late jason and i when we got started going to disneyland a lot

again and i was like oh yeah this is cool and it felt so small at that time it but now it feels like it's a big industry almost big enough for us for some to be toxic but that but that it that's that shows that's what i'm it that's that shows that's what i'm saying that's success and that's showing that overall there's more awareness about it yeah and like horror nights has its own very dedicated fandom as well especially orlando's because orlando's leans a lot harder into its own kind of lore which i'm not super familiar with because i don't really i've only been to Universal Orlando once and it was to do Horror Nights specifically um but they they have like their their park icons like every year

there's there's a Horror Nights icon and often they're returning characters and they're all kind of interconnected and related and there's this whole like you scratch the surface and there's so much lore. We did a podcast episode on it once and got so much stuff wrong and people were sad. Yeah. And I realized then, like, oh, wow, this is really, really important to some people. I get it, you know. Wow. Yeah.

But there's not a lot of, the company is starting to not only build out out the lure but keep a record of it yes because there's it's mostly fan created the like when we did the episode about when um horror nights was at islands of adventure and it's like oh yeah the marvel island was taken over by carnage and the villains like there there was so little video and photos and stuff. You're saying the fans sort of are like, They're the archivists. Yeah, yeah. They were the ones that kind of kept it going when it wasn't so like on the minds of everybody.

Yeah. And they're, I feel like our nights in Orlando this year, there's a lot more original, their original houses are very popular down there. Yeah, Orlando does a lot more original their original houses are very popular down there yeah Orlando does a lot more original stuff versus and like oh this house was a scare zone it was very well received so it got upgraded or this

is a this house is a sequel to the house from three years ago like it's really interesting I've seen people say we have to do an episode on those and I feel intimidated honestly it's intimidating it feels like not this year not this year I'm not ready It's really interesting. I've seen people say we have to do an episode on those, and I feel intimidated, honestly. It's intimidating. It feels like not this year.

Not this year, I'm not ready. Not this year. There's so many icons. Yes. There is a lot. And to what you were talking about, it is hard to get a sense of the kind of correct, like the canon and timeline of stuff,

because so much of it's just fan documented. And you'll find stuff that contradicts itself, and it's like, I don't know. I feel like I haven't been part of it this whole time as an outsider trying to get a perspective on like what this kind of running story is it's so hard yeah if you haven't been there for any of it so you can't catalog

oh yeah I remember that was the vibe of 07 yeah or like they have the opening ceremony where it's scripted and there's stuff that happens and you know yeah trying to find video of that. This is like a 10-year project for us. We'll be ready in 10 years. We'll be breaking into eras.

Yeah, but we'll be, yeah, 10 years it'll take to find everything. You can always do an episode on the weird one-off houses. We spent a lot of time on that Universal, the Orlando Horror Nights episode talking about the Undertaker-themed house that we're kind of obsessed with. Yes. But it's great because... The talking about the Undertaker themed house that we're kind of obsessed with. But it's great because The wrestler of the Undertaker. Yes, it was a WWE Undertaker, a WWF

I know some wrestler. What Undertaker could be anything? I just want to make sure. Yeah, it could just be. Is it about the profession in general? What do you mean? I'm also telling the list. I'm telling the list. You know, a working man. His name is Mark Calloway. That's the real i didn't know that but what's great is i think at that point in time uh undertaker was in his american badass

era so all the press stuff he's got the like american flag bandana on and there's a video of him going through the house where he's still it's all you know he's keeping kayfabe and it's like yeah i remember when that happened and you know it's it's it's it just goes through it like it is a a diorama of things that actually happened in his real life yes because it's all these different eras yes and he's like commenting on each scare and it's like the yeah yeah. This is 2000? This is forever ago. His brother lives in hell.

He's lazily committing to the bit in that. Yes. Because yes, he had an era and this is less well known. He had an era where he just wore like jeans

and rode a motorcycle and had a bandana and he wasn't undead anymore. And it was his American badass era and he came out to either olympus gets rolling or kid rocks american badass and it was not the best time to be an undertaker fan people were like yeah but we like it when he comes out of like a coffin and stuff yeah like

the fun like the nonsense we like it when it takes him 10 minutes to walk to the ring yeah and there are druids when you come to make an entrance and the song and the music, whatever. So yes, that is a funny. I don't know what you mean. When I was talking about the 2000s and needing to be cool more, that's what I meant. I meant I was listening to American Badass all the time.

Do you song American Badass? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The coolest song. Very cool. Still cool, honestly. Or Ball with the ball. You know, the film director, Frederick Durst, his previous project.

Well, ball with the ball. That was Kid Rock. I'm sorry to tell you, my man. Oh, that was, fuck. Uh-huh. New metal and that. I don't know. Kid Rock was new metal.

Huh? Yeah, Kid Rock's a weird. I don't, I guess you could call it was new metal. I don't know. I guess you could call it this new metal. I don't know. I just get that era. Rap rock, for sure. You're right. There's no metal in it, per se.

Yeah. Yeah. I never got into it, because that's what my police listened to back in the late 90s. That's our punching music. That's the sound of them punching you. American badass. Well, the police had rock and stone cold t-shirts at that point. That's probably why I never engaged with wrestling then.

I didn't realize it was a nerdy thing. Again, the fandom matures. The fandom has higher expectations. There was nerdy characters alike that the ones I liked. Mankind was my guy. I was gonna say, Mick Foley is like for the nerds for sure. He's one of the nicest people

ever, by the way. He does the horror convention circuit, so at this point we've done a few shows with him and he's so sweet. He's just very jolly. And a legit theme park nerd. Yes. And always been. There's like him and the hardy boys and islands of adventure photos from 1999 that's really yeah really good wow wow oh can i

bring up an old orlando thing but i mean i i think i said most of what i was gonna say about psycho four but then that when that house was still up there uh and and theel. I don't think that you could walk through it for mazes in the way we do in Hollywood, but you could apparently, I just watched a video that had a brief clip of a show where it's the Bates Motel, and in front of it, hopping around are Beetlejuice and the Blues Brothers together. So I would like to know the full context,

the dense narrative. Wait, they're like in the front yard? They're just in the, they're just, you know, in the middle of the hotel courtyard. They're in front of room six and hopping. That's all I know. It's a two second clip,

but boy, it spoke to me. The other fact about Psycho 4, per things we've talked about before, directed by Mick Garris. Mick Garris! I'm sure you know Mick. I do know Mick, yes. What jumped out at me is that Mick Garris

is the writer and director of Fuzzbucket, one of the worst things we've ever watched for the show. I have not seen Fuzzbucket. This was when Disney Plus came out and there was a question of how deep do they go? What's the weirdest thing on Disney Plus? The weirdest thing may have been Fuzzbucket.

This awful little creature. It was so unpleasant. This is the first time I've heard of Fuzzbucket. To be honest. We should show you a picture of Fuzzbucket. I do want to see what it looks like. A picture. We can get a reaction on that and then the kind of thing he says. I do want to see what it looks like. Yeah, a picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. We can get a reaction on that

and then like the kind of thing he says. It might be a ring situation where like, don't go out in seven, like, be careful. Fine, I'm trying to find

the biggest photo. Well, this is pretty good. What's the good, what's Mick Garris's, Mick Garris wrote Hocus Pocus. He did the, the Shining miniseries

with Steven Weber. Wow, wow,ber and i'm trying to think what else all right he's just one of like horror's elder statesmen like he's always at horror events he's very kind soft-spoken and has very long silver hair like he just he's got kind of a gandalf type wizardy presence where he's very wise and i'm still like i i we know him at this point i'm always still kind of intimidated by him even though he's very gentle and I'm still like, we know him at this point. I'm always still kind of intimidated by him even though he's very gentle. Oh, you got to ask him about Fuzzbucket. I genuinely will next time.

You really picked the worst one and you brought that up in such close up on your laptop. He's so happy. I zoomed in on my face. He's like so happy and so zoomed in in that picture. And then it's like the copy of the copy, Psycho premise. I always forget what the thing, but whatever that now in my head, the weird thing that he says is like, hey, let's get wet, party boy.

No. It's not wet. What is it? We thought it is party boy. I've just searched for my old notes about Fuzzbucket to see if I can figure it out. It's not this, but I also feel like it's hang loose, party boy, or something like that. But I don't think it's hang loose either. I guess it's just how we doing party boy.

How we doing party boy. We would have been right about party boy. Because I think we've done an episode on this. I think we were debating, like, it sounds like party boy, but that's kind of a weird thing for the creature to say. Yeah, yeah. Because it's not like E.T. or somebody something they're repeating it just like this guy's calling this kid party boy yeah there's not even a phrase like a familiar phrase i don't know i think his vocabulary as a writer is kind of bizarre because in hocus pocus he's there's like yabos where he's

oh yeah i don't know in the context the movie, yabos is some weird, that's something Thora Birch says that's like a, it's almost like in Back to the Future 2 when there's all these future slang terms

that aren't real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's how yabos is like jerk or something to a kid. Yeah. Is it like mook or palooka or something?

I thought it was slang for boobs. Oh. I thought. Oh, it is. Oh, yeah, yabos. I thought she was calling them jerks like a bunch of yabbos. Her yabbos.

Oh, like, did you see her yabbos? Oh, right. Weird. Weird, weird. Oh, there he is again. Oh, wow. He's got one more photo of Fuzzbucket. He's giving a little over-the-shoulder.

Oh, yeah. He has a... Yeah, he's getting coquettish. He's a little... Yeah, he's mischievous in this. He apparently also says, according to my notes, you love fuzz bucket? Give smooch.

Yes. I wasn't expecting that picture to scroll down. I didn't know there was like a full body. He's got the tail going. Oh, that's his tail, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're kicking off a season of Frights Right. These are some of the scariest images we'll see all month long.

Yeah, fuzz bucket. He's a contemporary of like Mac and Me. Yeah, they'd be friends. Little guys. Little guys. Pre or around the time of Harry and the Hendersons. But before

Warriors of Virtue. That's that movie, right? Which movie is that? This is weird. 1996 bomb. Or 97. Warriors of Virt virtue were a bunch of like weird like wolf or bunny they were like the ninja turtles but what if they were like rabbits or something nobody's nobody's ever seen like it sounds like like like a christian sounds like a cartoon show that you're not allowed to watch

the satanic cartoons yeah yeah you can watch Warriors of Earth. It may have been, and I just wasn't clued into that, but like, are they kangaroos? We're in the Zoobly Zoo zone. We're in a frightening zone here. Yes, yes, yes. I know what this is. Forgive me, guys.

Did we talk about Michael Eisner and Fuzzbucket on that episode? We have to, right? I am 110% positive. Because there's a good picture. Though I don't remember what he... Is there a picture of them together? Well, he did an intro for it.

And Fuzzbucket is in the video with him. Oh my goodness. And I just hope... I'm assuming we talked about it. And Mickey's there too. And Mickey, Fuzzbucket, and Michael Eisner were all together. I am going...

Next time I see Mick, I'm going to ask about this. Oh, please. I don't even know him that well, so he's going to be like, why were you even thinking of it? Okay. Right. It's not incorrect to say, well, there's been a new, because Disney Plus is a new cult for

Fuzzbucket. Yeah, yeah. Even if that cult is only 10 people and they were scared of the movie. We can get back to the little guys era. Yeah. Whether it's one little guy or a bunch of little guys, like critters. Right. Or ghoulies.

There was a thread recently online, I should find it, of all the different countries' ET ripoffs. Oh my gosh. And it was unbelievable because they all had different takes on the material. And they all had different budget levels. So some of them were just the scariest, cheapest looking things. And then some of them were the worst, scariest things. Like, oh, they got some money to do this.

But there were multiple countries that did rip off ETs. I should find it. Really? I sent this to Gio the other day. Oh, that's crazy. I'll find it. Do you have something that you've stumbled across in the years of doing your podcast that's like uh nope not no fondness for this scared of this don't like this creature not really no fuzzbutt nobody nobody that's no i genuinely i just no i

can't think of anything that i'm like superulsed by. I'm sure if anyone is listening that also listens to our show, they probably are yelling an example at me. Okay, well, wait. Where do you stand on Art the Clown? Where do you stand on the Terrifier? David Howard Thornton is a very nice man. It's a weird thing because horror is tiny and we all kind of know each other because we end up doing the convention circus together. So like the Terrifier team is like the nicest, most normal people. David is, and he's a professionally trained mime.

He's like just a very, like he's, he's super sweet. And what's, I have an Art the Clown story. art the clown story uh my the first time my parents ever came to a horror convention to like help us table and kind of just see you know what the horror scene is is like we were tabling next to david who plays art and the rest of the terrifier crew from like terrifier one and they were doing a like an in costume photo op where people could take pictures with him all dressed up and um that same morning my parents brought in like donuts and coffee and they were you know they see him in costume and they're like hey we knew you were doing your big photo shoot as we brought you breakfast and he's being in it i'm just watching him being so sweet to my parents

they've never seen this movie but and i'm telling you this movie. And I was like, do not under any. I'm like, I'm not letting you watch it. That nice girl you were talking to, Catherine, yeah, she gets sawed in half the long way upside down. You don't want to see it. We want to watch your friend's movie. That's the thing. For my parents, their image of art is just this nice.

He's like an actual nice clown. They're sweet. The Terrifier movies are interesting. The first one I don't like because I think it's just kind of mean. Like it's a mean. I don't know if any of you have seen it. I'm too scared. It's a lot.

Yeah, yeah. It's just kind of a mean movie. And it is. The director, Damien, he's an effects guy. So it is like an effects showcase. So if that's what you're looking for, you'll like it kind of thing. It's very intense gore. The second one, I think, is a lot of fun. It's extremely graphic.

It is still kind of an effects showcase but there is more of a story in this one and there's some interesting like almost supernatural stuff going on and i just arts arts fun you know he's just having so much fun doing the most fucked up shit you've ever seen that i can't help but like it i'm also so desensitized at this point. This is, we go back and forth, I feel like, every Halloween season where we were scared little boys and scared young men and then scared adults. So we micro-dose horror and stuff.

But the convention, the small, close-knit community in the convention world coming as fans of comic books and professional wrestling is so familiar to me. It's so recognizable where it's like, I have a lot of respect for horror. I see the craft. I see the community. But I am very easily startled.

So it's like, okay, I did Babadook, working up to Pinhead and it follows. Uh-huh. Like, piecing myself, starting with

I Saw the TV Glow. Gonna, gonna do that next. Oh, I love that movie. Because that just looks more spooky than scary and psychologically taught

or whatever. Yeah, that's more like existentially scary. Existential, yeah. I can handle that more than like existentially existential yeah i can handle that more than like a simple jump scare because i'm a fool i am i'm very easily like putting in front of my head really hard i'm a fool uh yeah no it's a i also for years of course was just like gremlins i was like this i've said this a hundred times in the show this is a snuff film that i will never see was the thought i had as a child i was terrified

like as a kid just the ultimate little guys and then especially too obviously i'm just like this is a looney tunes cartoon was made to be a looney tunes cartoon basically um but it is so it's like oh it's like going to a comic book convention when i was 12 and i'd be it's like they were right next to each other the comics and the horror stuff and i was just like this is for me this is not and you're like actually they're the same thing it's just like sometimes there's like a gross cut yeah on the movie or like in the comics or whatever like it's gross yeah i was a very easily frightened kid like i did not like scary movies growing up i think getting into scary movies it was kind of a it was a weird like

shift where I was like oh I you know working my way up through like more and more intense scares and stuff and kind of learning to appreciate them I found personally like I don't know empowering in a way where I was like oh I can like deal with this and I can appreciate this and I've come to really love it for that reason it's a reason a lot of people are drawn to it is it's like, you know, kind of pushing yourself

to see what you can handle and there's always the opportunity. You can always turn it off. You know. This is what, Scott and I go to this is what he will tell me. He needs to do like three mazes

for it to almost like get his brain reset to it and feel the accomplishment versus just the terror or shock of it because that's what it took what took my wife to do and that's what it took me to do like two or three and then you go okay the scare actor is not going to kill me and then you can kind of you get you're still like jumpy but you get a little calmer and then you do start to feel good about yourself in a way you're like wow look wow, look at me. Look at this little boy.

Look what he's up to now. You do feel a sense of accomplishment. I feel like it is a theme park ride thing. I've heard Tony Baxter talk about Splash Mountain. He wanted it to feel like an accomplishment for kids. You make it scary going up because they really

feel like they've overcome something. It works that way. In your 40s walking through a dark house yeah with a bunch of people yelling at you like it's the kind of the same thing like and i and i guess maybe because it took me so long to do something like a haunted house it really i'll never i'll never lose that like little look at me how about it i'm doing you wanted you wanted to snoo you wanted to be a snooty little boy i did i didn't want to be it took me forever to want to actually go to horror nights because at a certain point i was like okay i'm good with horror movies i love them at this point it's my job but i'm still i have that mental wall where i'm like i i'm scared of people and real and like loud noises and real

like people jumping out at me took me a long time. And then, yeah, once I just did a bunch, it was like, oh, you get a sense of like the rhythm of them. Yes, yeah. Like you know what they're going to be essentially. You described that, yeah, the rhythm. Like that, you know, you know how often it's going to happen, you know.

And you see it like, because especially horror nights, they're running so many people through those mazes. You often see the people in front of you get the scare. You see the people behind you get the scare. Yeah. And you also then start to notice stuff as well. Okay, that's obviously...

After a while, then we'll get impressed when they get you. And you will, I do feel a sense of like, oh wow, I didn't see that coming. I have a weird, I'll instinctively just clap. Kind of a scared clap.

Because I'm like, you know, I'm like, oh, cool, great. So you do, yeah, you start judging it based on like, you tricked me, you fooled me. I'm a little know-it-all. I thought that that's. And knowing a lot of people who like are really passionate about haunts, everyone wants it to be fun, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

You know, it's all fun. No one's trying to actually traumatize you except for that one haunted i don't know if you guys are familiar with this that like mckamey manor that they just oh yeah that like extreme haunt that now fortunately does not exist i think because they got sued into oblivion oh my god this was oh boy mckamey Manor is like the nasty side of like the haunt kind of thing. Oh, really? Yeah. It was a thing where it was like one of those like immersive haunts where they can touch you and stuff.

Yeah. And this was supposed to be like the extreme one where the whole point was like, we don't let you have a safe word kind of thing. Oh, I guess maybe I don't know this. Oh, and this year russ mccain some very bad things okay yeah this is terrible to see this is in alabama and tennessee yes and it's a shame because he really makes it hard for like other people who do the immersive haunts where again they they're allowed to touch you and stuff but you sign waivers up the ass for those and those are like you get a safe word and that's

the whole point is it can end anytime you want it to and i feel the frustration on you know those people's parts where it's like people think that that's what this is where it's like us torturing you and kind of enjoy but it's like no that's you know yeah and it sucks that that because that one was so sensational and bizarre and that was the one that kind of got the reputation as you know

what these things are like when that's just not this reputation is what I still think just the the insidious maze is going to be demon just touching you. Yeah, there's no touching. She's going to actually take my fingernails off.

That's what their waiver said, that you might have your fingernails removed, you might get a tattoo, and you might have your teeth extracted. Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, it's- No, no, no.

No, I don't care for that it is funny now that you know we're saying this because like one of the first things the first year or two of me doing this i went to zombie joes the local horror theater immersive different they put on different productions with eva anderson and it was we went in two at a time for this one a haunt that was like a dark ride where we got in a little vehicle and when they pushed us around and then went into a room full of a couple of naked people. That's the scare for you. Well, yeah, I didn't care for that. Please.

But we signed it. We signed a thing that was like, yeah, they can touch you. And I was like, that's not going to be crazy. Right. And it was not. But thinking about it back to it now, because the last room we get, we got thrown in a room and then all the performers like basically kind of come up behind you and then on the sides and there's like a man in a devil mask and he's like started i just remember he's like stroking eva's face and then we just

are like more and more surrounded by all these people but there was something by at that point that i wasn't so worried about getting killed but now that you're saying like i guess i did sign a waiver i guess i could have a safe word or like this is how you get this to stop kind of thing it was pretty short i think it was like six to eight minutes i did what jason walner did and uh landon did it i think they went together now i'm thinking about it but i remember two would go in at a time and it'll be eight minutes but there was some paperwork before the paperwork said no safe some paperwork before. The paperwork said no safe words. The paperwork, I guess, the paperwork said no safe words.

So I think they were like, this is too short to even have it. You just got to finish it out. Wasn't that one in North Hollywood? Yeah, that's always where they've had shows and stuff. So there is a karaoke bar and a house of pies down the block. I feel like that maybe takes out

some of the really big fear. You don't even get a tooth removed in a building near Idle Hour, the big barrel. You can get a tooth pulled out of with a plier. Pies or no pies, yeah, it doesn't stop anybody from taking your teeth out. You're just trying to get through and you're like,

I can go to the new Randy's Donuts location and it's still open. But if all your teeth are gone, Randy's ain't going to be too fun for him. Well, but if you get a raised one, you can at least gum it. He's right about that. The plucky, never-give-up spirit of Jason.

I can just gum. The previous tent had eight saltfish and chips was a little more unreliable for eating. A little more reliable texture-wise. Yeah, so anyway. No one's going to touch you. What's that? No one's going to touch you on purpose.

No, no, no. Sometimes it happens on accident. It does. It's happened on accident. And I've had it happen, and you can tell the performers, like, you know, they flinch a little bit, like, oh, shit, you know? Oh, okay. I did. I saw something this year, the day we went, that I thought actually was very cute.

There are these giant stilt performers that are like big crows. They have light up red eyes and they're really cool looking. I saw a woman holding up her hand like flat and I saw the crow pretending to eat out of her palm. And I just thought it was so cute. It was just like, oh, giving him bird seed. That's nice. It was nice. I believe there's a baby crow this year too.

Oh, I didn't see the baby crow. I don't know, maybe that was added late. I think the giant still walker, there might be a nest with a baby. Oh, I did see the nest. Yeah, there's a nest with like an animatronic kind of little baby crow in there. I did see one of the big crows proudly showing off the little baby.

No, I mean, that's cute. That's very cute. I can't find this thread of fake ETs, but I did find, there's one like Nuki. Nuki, I know Nuki. You know Nuki? Yeah, there was some like press around Nuki. I'm scared of Nuki.

Yeah, I don't like Nuki off the bat. Maybe I would if I saw the movie. Squirming all these guys. uh well let me go back to hitchcock like do you remember what age you all were when you first saw psycho probably film school yeah okay i might have been like college the first hitchcock i ever saw was the birds and scared the shit out of me I loved it I again we were a big Hitchcock family and

Nickelodeon and Nick at Night set it up so Saturday nights it's Nick are you afraid of the dark what air Alfred Hitchcock presents will be right after it so I would see that and then down at Universal they hit the Hitchcock show in Florida so we're like okay let's

rent some of these movies so we rent it psycho and the shower scene scared me so much from then on anytime i would take a bath or shower i would lock the door which is probably not great as like a clumsy 11 or 12 year old to lock yourself yeah the faucet broke and shot up my butt yeah tell me we can't we can't um but yeah that that scared like until basically going to college and shared dorm bathroom like i was like, I can't lock the bathroom. Oh, no. You had to get over it. It's scary. The sound, too, especially, is so effective.

I think there's the story where they're stabbing cantaloupes and stuff to make that kind of news. Well, if we want some of the real intel about some of these things, I'm going to bust out a document, a sacred document that I don't think I brought out for a long time.

This is the actual official Universal Studio Guide manual. Wow. Straight from 2000 Jedi Texts. Oh my gosh. I'm not letting these burn up. Yeah, yeah. How about this? So this is, I got the, not only the real script,

at least at the time of how you're supposed to take people through it, but then there's like, you have a bunch of stall material. You have the, if you were to get stuck up there, how would you? And I, you know, you were talking earlier about like, your friend cares about the history of it. I was reading all, I'm like, I don't think I got stuck up there in any, it's not a place. If you know the flow of the tour, you're not getting stuck up there. Yeah.

There's not like an intersection or anything. Yeah. No, there'd be nothing to wait for. It's where you get stuck is when you're waiting for like, uh, Oh, we're trying to get into earthquake,

but the, you know, the other trams are head aren't through it all the way. So there's no, you would never get stuck. But I feel like the people who put this together, love the movie so much that they're like, we'll give them eight different big paragraphs they can read

because I want to write it. I enjoy writing it so much. It's fine. I think that, okay, because I think the cantaloupe thing is mentioned. The sound you hear in the scene was created by a knife being plunged into a helpless cassava melon. Oh, a cassava melon.

Now we have the type even. How about that? And Hitchcock himself held the knife for some of the close-ups. I didn't know that. Like what, chocolate syrup was the blood? Oh, they loved saying that. It's a universal classic.

It was black and white, so it was chocolate syrup. I didn't know it was not Anthony Perkins. I didn't realize until, I don't think, I must have not read this at the time. Just not in the entire scene. It's not him. He was in New York doing a play. Oh, okay. Not him at all.

Because it took days and days to film. Why seven days of filming and over 70 different cuts. Him doing that play is why at the end of Psycho, when he screams, he doesn't make any noise. And originally it was a, okay, pretend you're screaming. We'll dub it later. And apparently just in the edit they were like it's kind of creepy that he doesn't make any sound so they just whoa yeah he was saving his voice for that broadway stuff he was doing yeah wow wow um i'm trying to think of anything else

jumped out of here uh uh i boy so many so many oh my you're not yeah lots of uh yeah this is the most like this is just a messy uh by the way mike you were referring to this syndrome on the show of like not this year not this year not ready i've punted the tram tour so many times and again i will say not this year not ready uh i'm really glad we've peeled off this aspect of it but i'm I don't even want to I you don't want to commit to next year I don't want to commit to next year but I've I really have thought about the tram tour and and like I mean because I think it's like a month long event

is what I've got a way I think it'll it can work talking about at the very beginning of 2020 of like maybe in a few months and then we're waylaid by a worldwide pandemic and you and erin had a child yes yeah yeah there's always stuff so uh so again i'll say not this year not this year but i would i would love to figure it out for next year so this

hopefully this this document's getting some play and i can just read from the from the thing which i like to do uh because and this actually brings up an interesting aspect that's no longer true of the the bates motel on the tour but that there's this hard pivot because for a long time they left up some of the whoville sets from the jim carrey grinch oh yeah during grinchmas you get a little song and dance you get yes sometimes there were both of these things sometimes you would pull up get the little song and dance something else i didn't know about until it was happening in front of me and like what i was in the middle of a

sentence and then like we welcome you oh shit okay i better shut up uh and then you round the corner and then norman bates comes out like that's the live entertainment zone yeah the tour up there um but also for a long time you'd be looking at the bates motel and then there's like big crazy curvy thingamabobs back there which sort of take away the scariness although except those were getting real decrepit too yeah i remember they were very sun faded by the end yeah yeah cracking apart um i but you but you had to they're like well we gotta help people transition because that's a tough like how do you swing from that to from whoville to this uh the residents of whoville had to put up with a lot more than a grinch out here on the back lot they lived right next door to norman bates on your right or two of

the most and then like little jokes you could do. Anyone feel like taking a break? Maybe grabbing a shower. Which is, that's the only time doing that job you're allowed to ask the guests if they want to take a shower. Any other setting you would and should be fired. At that point too I like, years in like

how many people remember that there's a shower scene in Psych? I mean a lot but like is it 60%? I want to give people credit and say that it's like because that's not the psycho has not psycho in the shower scene become like one of that like that's one of the things anyone knows you know yeah yeah yeah because if you're in there it exists now as one of the only movies the way like time oh that's the way all these bands are gone. Glatton's history. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's one of the ones

that's left. Do we think that it's a deserved thing that Psycho is the one? I think so. Oh, I think so. From a horror perspective especially, it changed so much. Right, right.

When you look at what horror was like before and after, it's crazy. I mean, I took a class in college that was the horror film 1960s so psycho to present because it was such a big change in terms of like what he showed what he implied the subject matter everything i think totally and the fact that it just made america go kind of crazy especially right the fact that it has become something you can watch with your family is so weird when you think about the way that movie was received when it was released it genuinely was very controversial

oh and promote yeah it's like don't learn anything about it yes he wouldn't let you in and don't you can't come in after it starts. That stuff, that has a bit, this is like the beginning of spoilers and potential spoilers. Yes, and it was, I just recently, I was in Tampa for a horror convention and my husband and I took a tour of the Tampa Theater, which is a beautiful old, like a movie,

like a proper movie palace. It's beautiful. And I learned on that tour that pre-psycho specifically it was common to like because movies would play almost in like a loop all day so you could like just show up halfway through one and sit through it and then see the first half like that wasn't yes okay uncommon and the reason that we have like you know you get to a movie on time is because of Psycho and Hitchcock specifically telling exhibitors like you cannot let people in. Right. Halfway through.

Whoa. Because it's just going to ruin. They would just ambiently play movies like the Disneyland silent movie. Yeah. That's interesting. I could be wrong, but from what I remember of that tour, it was like, yeah, you buy your ticket price and you kind of, you just want to say, yeah, it is almost like a theme park style thing where it's just playing a loop of something. I've never heard that. Isn't that bizarre?

That's really cool. Wow. Geez. All right. Well, this is all mega history. my um my other like weird little kid i guess pre-teen kind of anthony perkins memory do any of you know about the book or film on the beach no yeah i think you told me about it yeah so this is a book it like this the book psycho it was a bestseller and then it became a movie um it is a book about there is a nuclear war and the the surviving remnants of humanity are left down in australia and they know their time the clock is ticking

because the nuclear winds the nuclear winter is coming um and i read this book in ninth grade uh i really enjoyed it i forget why we read it in ninth grade. Uh, I really enjoyed it. I forget why we read it in ninth grade. I think we were doing, like, suspense and genre stuff, because we read and then there were none as well. Um, but the movie version stars Anthony Perkins. And I remember being so excited when the teacher told, oh, this movie, uh, it's an old movie.

It's Black and White. It stars Anthony Perkins. And I was like, he's Norman Bates. Guys, did you hear that? No one else gave a shit. Calm down, everyone. No one else gave a shit about this enthusiast. Likely more interested in Limp Bizkit

and American Badass Undertaker. So this is like 1999? 99-2000. They're the fools. Look, I liked Anthony Perkins in 1999 and Mankind. I liked all the different I knew all the lyrics

that Limp Bizkit breaks stuff. Yeah, doesn't Mankind also love his mom isn't that a thing i forget if that's part of his character well initially mankind was a very he's mrs oh what is it foley's baby boy that's right mrs foley's baby boy mrs bates baby boy yes right initially the mankind character was a very tortured pulling his hair out hitting himself he lived in the boiler room and he had feud with Undertaker. But then I think Mick himself talks about how mankind turned from that into a human Muppet of like kind of a silly guy with a funny mask with a big like dress shirt untucked. He's got the sock.

And he had a sock. Yeah. Mr. Sock. His finishing move was the mandible claw and he had like this kind of leather strap around and he'd shove it in somebody's mouth and put like some sort of pressure. Like the idea was a pressure point on your tongue or something and just knock you out or whatever. And then that turned into, he put a sock with a smiley face on his hand

and put it in somebody's mouth. And it was Mr. Socko, and they sold Mr. Sockos. You would pull it out of his pants, his sweat pants he was wearing around that time. We have an autograph of Mr. Socko. That is very impressive. Very cool. I forgot.

The other, more recent Anthony Perkins fact, his son, Oz Perkins, director of Long Legs. Yes. The recent film, Long Legs. I didn't know that. And the Black Coat's daughter. Long Legs is definitely his best. I love Long Legs.

I'm excited. He's got another movie coming out that's a stephen king adaptation called monkey that i'm really looking forward to uh yeah we got to this was very cool and is humble braggy i apologize we got to see long legs very early the neon the studio contacted my husband and i were hey, we want you two to see this first. Wow. We're like, yes. Whoa.

Yeah. Hell yeah. And they're like, okay, pick a theater. We'll set up a screening. We get there. And Oz is there. Oz came there to meet us and tell us about his movie. And he was super cool.

Wow. And afterwards, it then hit me like, that's Anthony Perkins' son. You know what I mean? It was just a weird like, and he looks so much like his dad. And then I also thought, he was in Legally Blonde. Yes, he's Anthony Perkins' son. You know what I mean? It was just a weird, like, and he looks so much like his dad. And then I also thought, he was in Legally Blonde. Yes, he's in Legally Blonde. That's pretty good. A lot of good credits.

Yeah, that's a fascinating filmography, for sure. Yeah. I didn't know that. But I think it's a cool, like, he's really, like, you know, I think it's cool that he's really made a name for himself as a filmmaker and and then the afterthought is oh yeah he's Anthony Perkins you know that's the dream yeah he's like really transcended that kind of you know to where it becomes trivia about him like he's also related to so-and-so similar in the horror shot where The very successful writer, Joe Hill, is Stephen King's son.

Oh, okay. What has he written? I'm sorry. The Black Phone. Oh, yeah, yeah. The Black Phone. That's cool. I'm learning about all the kids today.

Yes. Oz Perkins, he is Norman in Psycho 2. He's young Norman, yeah. Wow, wow. 2. Yep, he's young Norman, yeah. Wow, wow. Psycho 4, that's the E.T. What's that actor's name? Oh, Henry Thomas. Henry Thomas, yeah.

Do you have, I'm fascinated by this, because I feel like it's Quentin Tarantino or something interview where he was like, Psycho 2 is better than Psycho 1. Do you have any, what's your most controversial takes on movies in this vein of a take? Like Psycho 2 better than 1, which is hilarious. Oh boy.

I like Psycho 2. Like horror in general? Yeah, I get that. I mean, if anything in general. But is there one where you're like, you know what? Like Jaws 5 is actually the best. I genuinely unironically like Human Centipede. I think it's really good.

Okay. I am a little scared to watch that one too. I've done Human Centipede where it's so insane. It's almost like it's just this absurd world. It does the same thing that I love about Texas Chainsaw Massacre where your memory of it is that you saw so much stuff that you didn't see because it's like filmed

to where it's, I don't know. I just think it's, they're both very clever in like the way that they obscure things and hide and it makes you fill in all the gross stuff.

Right. But then there's the human centipede sequels that are like, fuck it, we're just going to show you. We're going to do what you thought the first movie was and that's it. Right, But then there's the human centipede sequels that are like, fuck it, we're just going to show you, we're going to, we're going to do what you thought the first movie was.

And that's. Right, right, right. More process. Let's see how, I haven't seen the other ones. Do you,

do you find out too much about the digestive situation? Yeah, and it gets, you know, it's, yeah, it's more about like,

it's a series of like, just shocking. Yeah. Well, isn't it also, isn't the, the, the surgeon who I think is fantastic,

I'll go back and just less the true horror of it and more just watch him explain the situation. Here's what I'm doing. But then by a couple in, isn't it like, yee-haw, I'm the sheriff now. Same guy, but he's in a cowboy hat. There's like the big, there's like, I think the third one is like it's a giant prison

complex. I don't know. Yeah, I don't really mess with the human centipedes. Do you think there if you were imagining like, I guess it could be any horror movie, like a human centipede maze at Horror Nights. Something like, would that be something that makes sense

or is there's another movie that you would be like oh i'd love to walk through i think a suspiria maze would be really cool just because of all the colors and stuff the problem is like so many movies that i think oh this would be a cool maze you realize how kind of like we were talking about with a psycho themed walk through the hotel it's like well you just have like a bunch of Norman Bates. Like what is that, you know? Oh yeah. How do you have like constant stuff

instead of when a lot of movies are like building up to one big scare? Yeah, where there's one villain or like one kind of set piece. It's like, well, how do you, you know, like something like Ghostbusters works well because there's all kinds of creepy crawlies. I guess it's more at Knott's at Scary Farm.

I forget which maze it is. I feel like there was one maze where there weren't a lot of jump scares, and I couldn't tell if it was because everybody was on their break. That happens sometimes. Yes, it happens sometimes. If you catch a maze at the wrong time. We walked into a room, and it was clearly supposed to be something happening, and it was just kind of empty.

It happens. When does it happen? Well, Scott, just look for some places they move people in and out in black cloaks. Maybe that's a Florida thing. So if I hang out at the side, see a lot of cloaks go by. If you look for the shift change. If you can hear the dinner bell ring, that's when everybody has to go eat dinner. If I can smell fajitas

a couple hundred feet away. That's why I'm banned from Horror Nights. If I hear the dinner bell, I just start adding. Employees only, sir. That was the best. The one time we were talking to people at Knott's Berry Farm and

we're backstage and just walking by a tent of people in the makeup eating their lunch like eating yeah like it's like it's the magic of comic-con where you'll see the flash villain captain cold going to the bathroom yeah yeah and it's like that is what i love about comic-con that was a legitimate startling moment we were in an office building i went to go to the bathroom. Oh, you got scared. You got freaked. Yeah, a werewolf came out, and he went, oh, excuse me.

You went, ah! You made a noise, yeah. I did make a noise, and he held the door for me. It was just a guy using the bathroom before he went back to work. Just a guy? Just a guy, just a werewolf. Half man, half wolf. Well, that's what I was scared of.

Just a guy, just half a guy. My husband and I just did a set visit for something. can't say what it is yet just in case but we uh were at crafty and the monster the the thing in this movie uh his stunt double who was also fully you know in the full get up walked up next to me was also getting coffee and i was like this is this is like the studio lot experience that you want you know what i mean like a monster on break was so exciting yes casual monster so exciting yes well what we were saying that you go onto the lot and nobody's around and you can't which just makes it cool you can just hang out on amity then but right i i want uh facades to be wheeled by wow Yeah, it's like the end of Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I want a bunch of showgirls. Yes. I know there hasn't been a movie made with a bunch of showgirls in decades. Or like cowboys. Yeah, yeah. That's the dream is they're making a radically different movie of every genre in all 10 of these stages. I know. Yeah, that would be really.

I was trying to think like, yeah, they're using the flood scene for something and they're shooting on, or what is the technical term for the flood? Oh, the flash flood? The flash flood, yeah. That's in Big Fat Liar. Yes. It's kind of hard to do. You can kind of only use it as itself. I think it's hard to write a scene where a

flash flood happens organically. In Mexico. Have they ever dyed that red or am I making that up? That would be cool. Because a blood flash flood. I'm sure Have they ever died that red or am I making that up? That would be cool. Because a blood flash flood. I'm sure you could, but that's a huge effort. They dye the lake in Chicago green for St. Patrick's Day. That's a lot of water.

So they should have a blood flood. They should have a blood flood. That's a million dollar title right there. Well, hopefully more than a million isn't very much. It's a hundred million dollar title Alright great I'll write and direct Blood Flood And then you're long gone

And we're talking about you My controversial take Blood Flood 3 That's when it really came into its own And I will declare I will have written And shot Blood Flood by next year. I will declare that we will next year. Oh, then you will this year.

Yes, I will commit to going into production on Blood Flood in the next few months. That's a good goal post. You can get that done. That's nuts. And Jason Sheridan is a star of Blood Flood. Very good. You're going to get very annoying when you're using your Blood Flood concept to do money laundering. Yeah, this is going to be- And a movie never gets your blood-fledged concept to do money laundering.

Yeah, this is going to be- And a movie never gets made. Yeah, this is a big- It'll be a big scam. Yeah, it'll be like a big Kickstarter scandal. Oh, yeah. You're not delivering rewards. Oh, we've all given money to big scams on Kickstarter. I love the updates.

I love the things that never come. People I would know for years were like, I need money for a movie. And then five years later, I go, huh, that didn't come out, did it? I need money for an escape. Did I get the money back? I don't think so. I need money for a new identity. A person fled the city.

I wonder where they are now. Oh, okay. Sorry. Well, looking forward to Blood Flood. The blood flood. The twisted mind of my Carlson. What have we missed? Anything else about the aspects of the psycho experience or the house?

Has Norman ever been in just the parks or is he always over here? That's a good question. I've never seen him in the parks. I don't know if he's just walking around. I've never seen him walking around the parks. But I guess, I mean, what's the, because Frankenstein, Dracula, they're still around. Yep, they're always walking around. I saw them a couple weeks ago.

They look funny no matter where they are in the park. You know, there's not like a good spot for them. Like they'll be walking around. Like we went during Grinchmas and they were like right by Whoville, which I liked a lot, you know? Yeah, it's like, I think recently, yeah, they're just on the sort of the main street. But then like the Mystery Machine and Scooby Doo gang are like feet away from them.

Yeah, and you'll see like Shrek wearing a Santa hat. I like when they interact. Yes, I do. I like it, yes. When you see a ball and Betty Boop meet Frankenstein and they just have a conversation and character. But I wonder if there was any Norman Bates ever walking around and if that would even be identifiable outside of being in front of the Bates Motel. Because he is just a guy.

It's like when they did videos of, what was it, Loki, where they had a Loki-faced character walking around. But it was him from the show. So it was just a guy in clothes. It just looked like a guy in clothes like it just looked like a guy that kind of looked like oh and it's right right right yes yeah loki and all the different outfits yeah yeah but without the horns it's not so identifiable unless you know the guy with the knife yes yes um because like they still like lucille ball is still in the park there's

still a woman playing lucille ball and i guess guess that's more identifiable than Norman Bates at this point, but that is still old. Don't look, don't dress like that, but that's still, that's old. So I am impressed. Lucy is still in those parks because it's one of the only things left.

She's been dead for many decades now at this point. I don't want her to go away. Don't get me wrong. You know me, I want her there forever, but I am shocked at that. She's still there. So, yeah, I wonder if that was ever like the man in a, what kind of a suit I guess you would call it.

It's like a brown suit. Brown suit. When it's translated to color in real life, it's like a brown suit and a blue shirt. Right. Obviously, it's all black and white in the movie. Scott, I wanted to mention you. I know you're usually the John Forsythe keeper. The universal souvenir videos. There's these old video, yeah, where there's these mealy-mouthed intros from old actor John Forsythe.

Movies are the wizard's wand. So there's the one for Universal Hollywood, the one for Universal Florida, and I scrubbed through the Hollywood one, and I was hoping, like, if it was more modern, like Whoopi or something, they would have been menaced by Norman. But John Forsythe did not goof around with Norman Bates. What they had with him, he was in front of the psycho house, and you saw the Hitchcock silhouette graphic,

and then it slid away, and John Forsythe was standing sideways, and then he was like, Alfred Hitchcock and the magic of the movie. So there was no Norman Bates, John Forsythe action, unfortunately. That's a shame. I did just remember though, there was a video,

I was just trying to remember what the general gist of the, what does Norman do when he runs out, right? And it's, you know, it's like you maybe see him for a second, possibly before he comes out with a body that feels like Janet Leigh, and then puts it in the trunk. Cool car they got there.

The whole setup's great. And then he kind of spots the tram. That's the last aspect I like about it, is that you're a part of it, and that you're like your witnesses now. So he's like it's not arbitrary really that he's coming after you. Yeah. And then, you know, you get just like a good fast walk that, you know, maybe you probably get the biggest scare in the back because maybe he swipes at you. Yeah.

And then just kind of stares. And it's still scary even though nothing happened. I remember one time we rode the tram and I made a point to kind of look and see how long he stares. He watches you pull away. You don't get a reset. He's not resetting immediately.

They're all committed. Everybody who does this, it's great. I have seen variations. He reaches into his coat and pulls out a cleaver and starts chasing the tram. And what I don't think they've done in a while is that, so he man dogs the tram, tram goes up the hill, he runs up the stairs and comes after the tram again. Ooh, I haven't seen that. And that scared the hell out of people, but I think it is

a little dangerous to run up steep stair steps with no railing. Yeah, and that's a steep hill going down. Yes. Dangerous seeming stairs. Yes, true.

That is scary. I had that happen once and then it's never happened again. Yeah. And I'm always like a little bit like, is he going to be there? Oh, but now you're on edge for a minute. Wow. Well, that's cool they established that to be at the top of the hill? Oh, but now you're on edge for a minute. Yeah. Wow.

Well, that's cool they established that. Sometimes it comes out of the house. Okay. Sometimes it comes down the steps, I feel like. Yeah. Sure. Maybe I haven't seen the house. I think, I hate to be logic police, but it is funny to think about Norman.

He's, okay, in reality what's happening, he's killed a woman. He's putting her in the trunk in the middle of the day. Yeah. He looks over. There's killed a woman. He's putting her in the trunk in the middle of the day. He looks over. There are 150 people looking. What is his plan? He's going to run over and stab all 150 people very fast. He does not have a lot of time with one single knife.

One knife. He's going to run over and then, yeah, I don't know if he has a second. I don't know if in the narrative he actually is getting us. I guess we just narrowly get away yeah let me you'd have to and you'd have to come up with this plan really fast and i don't know his working knowledge of the universal tram tour because i know the reality where this is if i assume it doesn't go by his house in this world every five minutes i would assume that um but yeah i think you'd have to go for the driver first to get that thing to stop or the tires oh maybe it is tires that maybe

that is what he's doing a lot of tires though you're you're probably right but well if you get one that might stop well and then you get more get one tire so it would take a little while i feel like to dig the with a regular knife through a big, thick tire. And you're tired, because you just stabbed. We know the scene. He just stabbed Janet Leigh many times. Yes, he's exhausted from murder. He had to change out of the mother costume.

Right, right. That, too. He's already done a wardrobe change. Yeah, he had to change. So maybe he's cooled down. That's exhausting, too. He's cooled down, though. Yeah, yeah.

He's in a different outfit. Maybe he's like that. I think, like, because in the movie, the reason the Bates Motel is so empty is he complains, like, you know, they built the highway, so no one comes by there anymore. You think, you know, look at all these potential customers to fill the rest of the room. Right, yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. Also, maybe he can't. Yeah, he might be in his best interest to just, like, throw the knife away.

Yeah, yeah. And then she passed out from hot tub fumes. Yes. Right. She was enjoying our amenities too much. She'll be back around in no time. You'll see. Does Norman ever kill?

In the first one, he's always wearing the mother outfit when he kills. Yes. I believe. I don't think there's ever, because he's wearing it even in the end. He has just the wig on or something. Yeah. There was an equally scary scene where the private detective is going inside. Detective Arbogast?

Yes. Arbogast? Arbogast, yeah. But Norma, it's overhead, and Norma runs out of the room so fast, and that scared the hell out of me. Although, because I was just trying to figure out if maybe he doesn't kill the tram because he's not mother. But at the end of Psycho 2, he hits, he kills his real, spoiler alert, he kills his real mother with a shovel. As dressed as Norman.

So I guess they, in continuity, he kills then, just dressed as regular Norman. Oh, sure. So I'm just trying to piece together exactly where he is in his life in this moment and what his plan might have been. He, sure. So I'm just trying to piece together exactly where he is in his life in this moment and what his plan might have been. He's killed. Yeah, right. So he knows he

kills as Norman. But that's his biggest challenge. This is like when Deadpool and Wolverine have to fight all of the Deadpools. Oh my god, can you imagine like an action sequence where Norman kills 150 tram tour people in like slow-mo. Just a bunch of blonde women pull up on the tram like, oh my God.

He'd have the easiest time. That's what he's used to. Miss USA pageant rolls up or something. It's like the bus of all the Lucys in Rat Race. It's like a bunch of Maryland convention. That's good. That's really good. He looks at camera like, no, this

I can do. Like dubstep music plays or something. Oh, the theme remixed. Oh yeah, there you go. It would be very funny to see the property manager of the Universe Backlot go like Oh, Norman?

Yeah, he's a little strange But he hasn't been the same Since the Universal Hilton and Sheraton opened And took away the business It's in canon Yeah, yeah A lot more room, sure But none of the charm

I'm gonna have you deliver that line in blood flood about the care of the main character of blood flood oh okay i haven't figured out it yet but you'll you'll be managing maybe managing the hotels i don't know i'm not sure yet yeah nobody comes to see my downhill road anymore jason all i know is that jason's character is going to talk about hotels a lot that's all i I know. Oh, yeah. There'll be a lot of hotel talk, and he knows that like the back of his hand. Yeah. The thread count on sheets, and then the different amenities. Why are all hotel bathrooms barn doors now?

You know? There's a whole scene about that. The barn doors. I know. Get me started. Actually, you know what? That's what causes the blood flow. I hate to make this go longer, but what do you

think about the barn doors, Jason? Well, okay. This isn't coming out for a while now, but the air condition at my apartment crapped out. Oh, no. I covered it in this. In the same heat that kept me away from horror nights.

And the bathroom door is normal, but the headboards on the beds are barn doors. What? Whoa. And we were talking about it. It's like, I'm okay with it. I'm more okay with this

than the barn doors as bathroom doors. At least you have some privacy. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I'm fascinated. I didn't even realize this barn door thing

has been taking the hotel world by storm. Where the door slides open. It's just, if you're staying in a room with someone, you better be pretty comfortable with that. Pretty close. Right, right, right. Okay, well, I'll keep an eye out for it. Beware of barn doors. Well, that's an update you have to make in a new Psycho.

Norman would have to have a barn door in the motel. You have to add one new line. So we recently renovated, got all barn doors now. And then she would just be able to hear him coming because there's no sound, you know.

Oh. That's the thing is you can hear everything with the barn door. There's no, you can see her fiddling with the shower. Yeah, where it gets

kind of stuck on the track. You just hear her cursing and it kind of. Yeah, yeah. Come on. It just never works. It's like a murder deterrent. Yeah, sure. Yeah. It's bad for the remake, but it's good for us and it's of... Yeah, yeah. So it's good. It just never works. It's like a murder deterrent. Yeah, sure.

Yeah. It's bad for the remake, but it's good for us, and it's good for you in the heat situation that you're less likely... With you with the fear that you've had

since you saw the movie, you were so much less likely to... And then all you have to deal with is a maniac with a knife who you've heard and now have to fight. Oh, yeah. You're spending a couple more seconds

of lead time there then. Yeah, at least you can get the jump on it, yeah. Right. Yeah. And then figure out how to slam that barn door real quick and crush his face. Try to get that weird towel rack above, like in the back of the shed, get that off the wall that he uses as a weapon.

Oh yeah. Well, this has been such a blast. So much to talk about here, Psycho and beyond. I guess we can say, Chelsea, Rebecca, you survived Hauntcast the Fright. I did. Thank you for kicking off. I can't think of a better way to kick off the series. And thanks for bringing all your knowledge and fun.

This was so much fun. Thank you for having me. I'm so happy you did. Please come back anytime. Let's exit through the gift shop. Anything you'd like to plug? You can find me over on Dead Meat on YouTube and Dead Meat Presents. That's where our podcast lives, among other things.

We have our Horror Nights live streams and different interviews with people. Yeah. What is the Kill Count? Kill Count is the flagship series that is on the main dead meat channel. We had to do some finagling with where things live because the ever-changing algorithm. We have to appease it. The true horror in this world now.

Kill Count of Psycho is, there's not that many, really. There's like a ham. Yeah, you've got the detective. You've got like the detective. You've got obviously the shower scene. I mean, the mother is dead, but you don't see the events of it. Yeah, but you are looking at the corpse.

The sister survives at the end. Isn't there one more? I can't think. I haven't seen it in a little while. I know it's been a minute since I've seen it. I forget if the boyfriend lives or not. Viggo Mortensen. Viggo Mortensen. Viggo Mortensen, yeah. Who also wears crazy shirts.

They all went to like Iguana's, the like retro vintage. Yes, the vintage store. Yes. All right. They just took the cast like, all right, here's 20 bucks, everyone. Buy the kookiest shirts you can find. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're making me want to, now I kind of want to rewatch the movie.

I want to watch it too. I want Gus Van Sant to remake Psycho 2 now. It's better than Elephant. Delivery. Well, thank you so much for being here. What a blast, Chelsea. And as for us, for three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast Thread, The Cemetery Gate.

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