Podcast: The Ride - Oh, Hi Parks with The Room's Greg Sestero

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Greg Sestero (The Disaster Artist) chats about the Swan and Dolphin hotels, the boats on Bay Lake and his memories of 2003 Scott Gairdner helping get the word out about a future cult classic film called "The Room." "Mickey Mouse Disco" episode is up at: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 2003, filmmaker-actor-auteur Tommy Wiseau released his directorial debut, The Room. The landscape of cinema was forever changed, as was the life of eventual Podcast the Ride host, Scott Gairdner. The linchpin in this tale? Today's guest, who starred in the cult classic and helped Wiseau chase his dream. And the best part? This guy loves theme parks. If you know and love The Room, you're in for a treat. If you don't, stay tuned for a big old Disney World nerd out. It's All High Parks with The Room's Greg Sestero on Podcast The Ride, where we believe if a lot of people loved theme parks, the world would be a better place to live. I'm Scott Gairdner. Everybody betray me. I'm fed up with Disney World.

But I'm so happy I have you as my co-host. It seems to me like you're a theme park expert, Mike. Oh, thank you. Yeah. You know, whatever. It's interesting what you're doing. You're channeling something, I feel like. Does it sound, do I sound a little different or something? A little bit, but not much. Not much, but a little bit. There's some indiscernible accent, unplaceable, no particular, like the kind of accent where, you know, the person would not ever answer what the accent is or where it came from. Not important. No, no, no. It doesn't matter. The mystery is part of it. Yeah. Well, look, I will open up a little to anyone who doesn't understand any of what I was just saying and why and say that if you don't know what any of that was, then you are clearly not familiar with Tommy Wiseau's 2003 feature film, The Room. It is a eternal tale of love, lust, and betrayal that I believe has rightfully taken the mantle of the most deliriously fun bad movie ever made. I believe it rose to number one. Anybody try to dethrone it. I don't think you could. Mike, you know that I'm very passionate about this film. Of course, yeah. I think we've talked about it before. There's a long history with me and this film, which is why I've been so excited for this episode for a long time. joined by one of the key figures in the story of The Room,

Johnny's best friend, Mark himself, the writer of an amazing book about his experience called The Disaster Artist, which was turned into a Golden Globe-winning feature film. But for you, the podcast, The Ride listener, what does all of this mean to you if you don't know The Room? Well, I'm thrilled to say that our guest is also one of the biggest Disney Parks fans I've ever run into. So there is a ton to talk about and a ton to do with our guest is also one of the biggest disney parks fans i've ever run into so there is a ton to talk about and a ton to do with our guest today greg sestero yeah oh hi scott

yay this i mean yeah this episode is 20 over 20 years in the making we've known each other we officially met in february of 2004 god God. Yeah. You knew the, you knew the month. Even you remember the specific screening where you finally, where you like joined the fray of, uh, all of the weirdos making their way to your film on the other side. Uh,

after I'm sure what must've been like a strange period after the, the completion of the movie. Yeah. I think with any actor writer, you always remember the first time you've been in something that like has a fan yeah and i remember so i'd been in a movie called retro puppet master so really maybe without you scott that's all i would have is retro puppet master wow wow and you'd be you'd be dependent on some weird nerdy mega fan base of retro puppet master

which there must be that at some point i think there is but there's something about the room like coming to that screening and seeing you guys quote it like i again i like i was telling you earlier i saw myself in you because i when i was 19 and i saw tommy perform in acting class i was quoting him we talked on the phone for hours because i just loved hearing him talk and say things you might have been 19 you were that yeah wow yeah july some july like 11 1998 i saw him perform shakespeare and i was like this is man this is so much this is more fun than i've ever had an acting class like i don't really care about doing

david mamet or any of this crap they're pushing on us this guy is like where it's at and so i approached him to do a scene together and we like get this really weird reaction he's like what does this guy want with me like no one in the class wants to even be around him he's like yeah we you know we can do a scene together but i warn you we need to rehearse i'm very serious actor and i was like hell yeah let's do it he's like well i busy schedule okay so we meet you know bank of america 3 p.m market street and don't be late bank of america is like does he work it yeah i gotta see this guy in action so i go to bank of america of course there's nobody there and so i And so I'm sitting outside Bank of America on Market Street holding my soccer ball because I'd go to Golden Gate Park and play soccer in the summer. And I was like 99% sure he wouldn't show up.

And then I was like, now it's 20 minutes. And I was like, okay, do I just start walking? But then I was like, I just want to see what kind of car this guy drives. Oh, yeah. Like if he showed up, would it be a hearse? I picture him like an ice cream truck and can't turn off like the siren because you can't this is a person as we've said if you're viewing the film for the first time you can't put tommy was so in a box

you've never seen anyone like this you can't go he's this type of person this type of person is here like yeah is he is he gothic is he und What is the, I don't like what type of person am I looking at? Yeah. Visually when I saw him come up on stage, you had like a vampire Michael Jackson thing going on. Yeah. Yeah. But so I, like you just said, he, what does he show up in a brand new Mercedes?

Jeez. Wow. And also I, I get in and I'm like, oh, nice car. And he's like, look, don't talk about me. He's like in class people talk you know i'm saying and i was like oh yeah no problem and so he got like a little strange and i was like looking like analyzing him and then i see this like burger king crab thing attached to his air conditioner like something you like a transformers discount happy meal toy any familiar with you you don't recognize this line? I'm just trying to think

like there was the McDonald's ones like would transform from a burger to a robot or something. Is it something like that? But this was like this was its own thing because it wasn't attached to any franchise. Okay. It was like just enough to be better than Happy Meal but like Right. I didn't know what the hell it was and so I was like looking at it and he's

like don't stare too long he may bite you. So I mean so I'm sitting there at it and he's like, don't stare too long. He may bite you. So I'm sitting there in the car going like, okay, why did I think this would be fun? And then he's like, I need to eat right now because I get cranky if I don't eat. I'm sorry. Don't worry. I pay.

I'm like, all right. So we go to this pasta Pomodoro on like, I don't know, Mission Street or something. Immediately after the bank's not part of it. He just picked you up and immediately went somewhere. And it wasn't the ideal place to pick up. There's a lot of people honking in traffic. So now we're in near Golden Gate Park and we go to this restaurant and he orders like all these dishes. And so he pulls out the play and hands me the scene he's like let's start reading the scene and so i was like okay uh what scene i start reading and he's like your voice is

too low you need to go up you know it's monotone you know what this means and i was like uh yeah uh so he's like pushing it and he's like it's still too low and so i remember we finish we finished the lunch and we finished the scene and i was like okay maybe this isn't like what i expected maybe it's time to like go to the park or do something and he's like hey wait i see you have this ball this ball you want to play huh i'm so jealous you got so much extra time with this man we all we get is the movie and the interviews you have this whole wealth of years yeah the strangest man anyone's ever seen and so he's like let's let's go play soccer and so we go play soccer he's dressed in like black dress pants and like a white button down and he's doing his best he's chasing the ball

and we're playing and we're in golden gate park the fog in the summer is like you can't we can barely see each other it's like just us there and he's like hey come here you're a good sport i have secret for you i was like yeah sure go ahead he's like closer there's nobody there we're in the middle it's like huge soccer field come closer i was like yeah um i have secret guess what i was like what come closer vampire live here i was like really he's like yeah but not just any vampire vampire from alcatraz i was like it's him isn't it so that's how it's that's how it started and he he became more and more like charming as time went on like he was it was a tough read sure but the quotes were coming he's like let's go play soccer let's go let's go eat

huh we'd go and so we just said all that stuff yeah wow and we'd rehearse and then i remember it was like we did one more rehearsal and then we went to this chinese restaurant on sansom street in san francisco and we were sitting there talking and he's like, I have, I have dream. And I'm like, okay, I want to have my own planet. And he starts describing what he wants. And I remember staring at him and I got these goosebumps and I was like, something big is going to happen with this man. I was like, no, there's no rhyme or reason to it i

just looked at him and i got these like chills like yeah this is going to be an important factor i don't know what it is and i was at a super low point because the week before i met him i had gone on these bunch of auditions living in san francisco it's hard to get films because they don't they weren't really filming up there okay yeah it was a movie called wildflowers with eric roberts which at the time was a was a big deal yeah oh sure yeah and so it was uh he's still he's still kicking right nobody works more than eric roberts does i got a so i went to three callbacks play this bad boy boyfriend opposite clea duvall who i didn't know who i did at the time i worked with her so that's fine wow yeah and so uh went back for the third callback and it was like my agent told me like you're on hold

you're gonna get it and i remember getting the call that monday that i got released and it was like the worst feeling because it was like now what now what do i do like i i've done a few commercials like back then moving to la was a lot more challenging and then I meet Tom that sort of led me to Tom that was like I met Tommy that next that night this is so cinematic the right down and out you're at yeah what could be your lowest and I was which makes puts you in like a fuck it state I was in a total fuck it state I had no answer I had no agent I had no no plan it was like get that role and then that was gonna like jumpstart you and i remember just being like i do i just give up and then it was like i met then i met tommy it was crazy wow crazy timing wow all of these oh my god i could hear these

quotes from this man forever but i guess what i should drive to is the how does this coalesce into and some of this is some of this obviously is portrayed in a in a movie which was great and congrats on that but like it just didn't in terms of cliff notes how does it become uh this guy reveals that he has this cinematic dream and then you help him shepherd it along and appearing at yourself so we connected like tight in those few weeks uh during the acting class and uh we were on a road trip we were lost and he asked me you know class is over what do you like to do and i was like um you know i want to go to la but it's tough you know i've been working like a bunch of jobs trying

to put money aside but like where do i start he's like why you tell me i have place in los angeles and i was like a place yeah i have apartment i can rent you two hundred dollars a month wow geez and i remember i was driving we were lost there was no gps i don't know where the hell we were but i'm like holy crap this is this was that's why i didn't get that part i knew it was like this was the freaking answer so we go i go back home that night all of a sudden sudden I was like, he's like, yeah, I have to go next week. You can check out place. It's yours. And I was like, I could.

Sure. And so then I had to explain this to my mom and my mom had seen a picture of Tommy and thought like, there's no way you're going to associate with this guy. Like he looks like he's been through the ringer. That's what she said. So he comes to pick me up at Walnut Creek Bar Station and my mom has to come meet him. That's the rule. We go up and tommy looks like he's been doing meth for like 60 hours like exhausted she's like uh she

has a accent too she's french accent but she's like how you know how old are you and he's like oh greg's age 28 and she's like sure and what do you want with greg like what's your what's your drawing he's like he's a cool guy and she was like i was like mom we got to go like he's got a meeting she's like what meeting oh i do business it's like it's the movie it's like no answers and then finally she says to him uh tommy uh no sex and i thought like oh he's just gonna shrug it off but he goes well we all do so anyway we had she lets me go we make it to la and we pull up it's on crescent heights and fountain okay i was expecting the worst we show up it's like a nice place the security he can't get into the security gate because he's like i can't remember code what is code and he pulls out these crumpled pieces of paper and the code was 1234.

So we get in and the play, there's no furniture in this place. There's one bed and like there's a bunch of Hollywood reporters thrown all over from years before. It felt like Sunset Boulevard. There was like, whenever I see Sunset Boulevard, I think of the first night with Tommy. There's Hollywood reporters everywhere. And he's like, I don't rush you. You can take if you like.

I was like, this is actually, this could work. So I remember I sleep on the floor and he's in the shower singing A Whole New World from Aladdin. Whoa. Wow. And I was like. That ties it to us. Oh my God. And then.

Which him singing, by the way, in general. I don't know if I've heard it. Does he sing in the. Yeah, he started to sing more. Oh, my God. And then- Which him singing, by the way, in general. I don't know if I've heard it. Does he sing in the- Yeah, he started to sing more. Oh, really? Oh, interesting. Is this available anywhere? Is there an album?

Yeah, please. I'll send you. I got a link to like a Christmas song that he sang. Whoa. Wow. Okay, this is great news. So he's singing A Whole New World. I'm sleeping on the floor, and then he gets out, and he sleeps in the bed, right?

And it's a small, probably like small one studio. Yeah. So the bed's like right there and the door is somewhat closed and I'm like kind of half asleep and I hear somebody's chicken. Oh no. And so I just thought like, Oh, just,

just Tommy being Tommy. But yeah, I think I am a chicken. I'm going to fall asleep. So I fell asleep. I end up convincing my mom that I'm gonna take the apartment. And so I moved going to fall asleep. So I fell asleep. I end up convincing my mom that I'm going to take the apartment. And so I moved down to, I drive down in my crappy car that barely works. September 18th, 1998.

Driving down from San Francisco. No plan. I'm just going. And I had the key. Drive down, get to Hollywood around 1.30 in the morning. I pull up to the apartment. I go up to the place. A lot of emotions going on.

You're like, is this going to work? What am I thinking? I didn't really pack much. Go to open the door. The key doesn't work. So now I'm stranded in Hollywood. Now you live in your car. Yeah, now I'm stranded in Hollywood.

The strange man you followed didn't make good. My mom told me, don't do't do this big mistake i'm like she right so i go to the chevron on sunset on crescent nights and sunset i'm trying to like collect call and he's like hi how i'm listening and i'm like your key doesn't work oh yes it does you just don't know how to do it i was like okay i i need to find it's 2 30 in the morning now and i drive down sunset boulevard and there's like, it's so intimidating. There's like the strip clubs packed with people. I have like little to no cash.

And I pull up to a place called the Saharan Motel. Oh yeah. And the guy's like screaming at me, your car doesn't fit in here, yelling. Anyway, I ended up staying in there that night. And there was like, at that point it was like a stripper like hotel. Oh, okay. Walking in and out. So that's where I spent my first night in Hollywood. Ooh a stripper motel what a deep end of hollywood

arrival i ended up getting the uh the door open eventually and um i got i landed iris burton agency uh who represented like joaquin phoenix river phoenix and on my fourth audition um i booked the lead in retro puppet master wow wow and i just couldn't believe it was like such a crazy turn of events um so i i go and i tell tommy i go to san francisco i say you're not gonna believe this tommy but like thanks to you i booked the lead in this film and and his reaction he starts screaming oh oh my God, I need candy. And he's like, starts eating all these chocolates and stuff. So anyway, I filmed Retro Puppet Master in Bucharest, Romania.

Wow. Straight from Hollywood, from San Francisco to Hollywood to Romania. Which was out there. And then so when I move back to LA, when I come back to LA, Tommy's now living in the apartment. Oh, good. Good news. He's like, oh, yeah, if you can do it, I can do it too. So all of a sudden now- You've got to be glad to have him there just to ensure that you don't become a chicken.

True, true. Keep your chicken meter up. So now we're roommates. And he's going hardcore at Hollywood. He is sending his headshots out he's going like all out he's trying to audition he's doing what you're yeah yeah so i when i first got in i mailed out all my headshots with my the iris burn agency logo and i got a meeting at disney studios like a general meeting because she's like oh she represents joaquin phoenix or river phoenix

or kirsten dunst like this she must but it wasn't her sending out the headshots it was me sure so they're like iris believes in this guy she's like oh i just signed him like he seems like a cool kid like can he act a lot of a lot of good early buzz from retro puppet master that was a tough one of the best puppet master films here uh so tommy goes hardcore it's a really toxic living situation no um for many reasons he's up till 5 a.m my agent can't call because he'll pick up and be like don't call here it's too early hang up uh so it was not going well and then i remember it was the night of the golden globes that year talented mr ripley was nominated i took him to see it and he's like he watches the film he really gets into it and he tells me after he's like you know hollywood

think this is drama well i'm sorry they have surprise coming i will write movie and when people see my movie they will not sleep for two weeks i was like i was like all right he's called the room he knew that oh yeah he's called The Room. He knew that already? He's called The Room. It all takes place in one room. I'll be Johnny. Sort of. It's not a lot.

It was supposed to be like a theatrical play initially. That's what he envisioned. He's like, and you will play Mark, like this guy Mark Damon. It was Mark. Mark's last name is Damon? No, it was supposed to be based on Matt Damon. But he called him- Because of Talented Mr. Ripley? He's trying to like-

Yeah, he's trying to reimagine the story. Wow, that's interesting. But it's Matt Damon, but he called him Mark Damon, so that's why it's Mark. Mark Damon is a misremembering. Yeah. Whoa, that's incredible mythology. Oh my God. So he's like, that's what's gonna happen.

So he starts writing the script while we're roommates and he's now separated the apartment. So now he's got the living room locked off with these black curtains. I have the bedroom now. So he's the chicken. And so he's typing and typing and he'd yell out like, Greg, how long is movie script?

How do you format? He'd ask me all these questions. And so this goes on for a few months. And then it was i remember like he was taking acting classes on um brian reese studio like cold reading classes and he just tells me one night like i just don't think like i fit in here and i think i'm gonna take a break and he like disappears for nine months i don't know where he went i get these cryptic phone calls and then it's gotta be a relief on some level yeah i was kind of worried like yeah where did he go because he was so big on the acting thing big on the script and

he just disappeared and then it was um so that but nine months later i had like moved i was living across the street a buddy of mine moved to london to do like tech stuff at the time it was like 2000 so that was booming. So I wasn't even living in that apartment. And then Tommy comes back. I remember the day, May 7th, 2001. He says, I'm coming back from San Francisco. I want to see you.

So I go back over to the apartment and he hands me a script called The Room. Wow. He's like, I want you to read this here. You can't take home. Like when you meet on a Marvel movie. Yeah, right. This is a 50s horror novel. Christopher Nolan.

And so I sit there initially thinking he's going to sort of reveal what's happened to him in the last nine months. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so I start reading it and I'm just like, this is my favorite thing ever. Every character sounds like Tommy. Yeah, yeah. I'm very busy. I'm very busy. You're my best friend.

Peter, you're my best friend. Everyone coming and going all the time. Everyone somewhere to be enters rooms immediately leaves rooms no matter what no matter what your age is you always have somewhere else you have to go goodbye it was always like hello how are you today peter's like did you get any clients lisa no i didn't maybe tomorrow will be your lucky day it was like ai before yeah and also well to speak to our you know like mike's improv history the thing they tell you like don't just have characters introduce themselves to each other come in say hello and then get like it is like it violates all these like rules of what make interesting scenes you know yeah and it was just so him um and he's like so what you think you see

reflections of your life and i was like i do i do um and that's how like it started he's like so what you think you see reflections of your life and i was like i do i do um and that's how like it started he's like we need to make this this film we need to make this um a few weird things went down where he was like wanted me to help him cast it and then my girlfriend at the time read it and some of the dialogue she read out loud and it was one of the funniest scenes i wish it was in the film but it ended up getting changed but it's like michelle tells lisa oh i thought the wedding was all playing with johnny how was mark in bed it was like out of nowhere and so she reads it she's like you're not doing this you're not doing this so like there's this fall

out because tommy's like you believe girl over me and my god so hard also to know now you're like you're eschewing important people in your life to follow this man. And I was telling her at the time that Tommy was my cousin. Whoa. Because it was like, I knew she wouldn't get it. I knew she would think like, this is, this is great. If this is a person you can leave at any time, why would you not leave him?

Yeah, exactly. And so she didn't understand we had like a bond starting from the acting class. Like we both really wanted to make movies and she would i knew she wouldn't get that so we had we had kind of like a little break um and then it was august it was august of 2002 he tells me greg i will give you one job because we're going to move into this other apartment i was trying to figure out what i was going to do yeah i offer you a hundred dollars come over 3 p.m so i go over to his apartment and he's got like 5 000 headshots because he put an ad for backstage west for the room okay he's like open headshot pay you a hundred dollars so i was like oh okay so i started opening headshots and i was like this is really therapeutic because now

i'm seeing what other people are seeing behind the scenes of casting and all that. So I start opening all these headshots and I all of a sudden instantly become like the casting director for the role. Wow. Wow. And Tommy's got these HD cameras, like bought all the equipment. So I go with him and I set up the cameras and I call in all these actors. And honestly,mmy audition actors was the funniest thing i've ever seen because people come in and they're like

um hey um do you have a script no get in front of camera they're like whoa okay oh just up on your feet okay you just won one million dollars and they're like um so uh cut you where he's acting he would literally and this went on for weeks it was the greatest time ever wow so that's how it all started um i wasn't gonna be mark because i was like i don't think i should be in this yeah at this point you're like does this do me any good yeah my face in this movie might It might be a big detriment, in fact. And back then it was a lot tighter. Indie film wasn't something that was thriving the way it is now. So it was like I was auditioning for Terminator 3.

I'd done Days of Our Lives. Oh, really? This was something that I was still aspiring was something that, A, more than likely would never go anywhere because of the way the situation was set up. Like you couldn't- You would imagine. You're like, this is cool. You're going to make a movie. What is that?

Yeah. This odd guy wants to make a movie. Like what could possibly become of that? Yeah. And I figured, okay, it's just something he wanted to do, but he was taking it so seriously. But I was sort of the glue

that was holding it all together. I was the one that they would come to and be like, is this legit? Like, you seem cool. Like, what are you doing here? And they'd be like, is this really going to happen? So I was sort i was the one that they would come to and be like is this this is legit like you seem cool like what are you doing here and they'd be like is this really gonna happen so i was sort of like the one keeping it together but what i will say is making the room was like the best film school because it i like so much was on my back to produce it and keep it going that i realized how like the general sense of producing a movie goes right um and it

was like dealing with people on the dp and what they need and the morale on a set so it was such a crazy experience and it opened me up to not just wanting to like act but also be involved in behind the scenes writing producing i was like yeah it, it was such a crazy gift to go through that and see how it works on the other side. And in some cases, like the worst case scenario. Yeah, yeah, and it was like how important collaboration is. Yeah. Sure, sure, sure, yeah, yeah. Because it was like, it was Tommy's vision

and then like the actors didn't have a script. So they're like. Wow. You know, so it was, he had this vision that no one else... That could not be strayed from, seemingly. That's what's odd is you feel everybody stuck doing precisely the strange, specific words of this guy. But you feel everybody trying to break out and find meaning in these phrases that like seem like nothing uh just on their face it's the most like auteur driven movie like one single vision yes because even even the

greatest directors there's plenty of people they rely on but this does feel like everyone's coming came together to try to channel this one man's brain and then that also it's also taught me how important it is to have a vision sure you know because it's like if he just kind of went and improbed it and whatever he wouldn't have that intense emotional strange charm oh sure it has to be plotted out to some extent yeah yeah because if you just if they just like literally improvise the whole thing i think the thing that's so hypnotic about it is that everything like it seems every line feels like it should have like meaning or something behind it. But what,

what does it mean? Why does everybody just come in and then leave immediately? And like all these odd phrases and we see, uh, you should not think too much. It may not come out right. What is this? Why does this have scary music behind it?

Why are they on a rooftop why do people keep falling it's just it's it's a just an endless series of lies that are that 20 years later there's still no real answer for most of them yeah it's like these these things that could almost work like randomly denny looks at mark and they have a moment it's like oh did you look at him because like the drugs are on the roof or there's just all these questions that sort of line up and i think it all came down to you know the the the earnest creative expression the frustration of whatever tommy had gone through in life was just represented in that film geez yeah so mission accomplished he did well so that's all right to to start bringing it into the well 2003 where our paths merge finally uh so this you you make the film you finish the film and you get like

miraculously a little like like theatrical run you get to what it's two theaters yes in los angeles for two weeks and you did a you did a screening you did a premiere am i correct that there were spotlights during the day at the premiere yeah those were tommy spotlights that he brought out he owned them yeah you what god the mystery of this guy how do you own spotlights he would use them at his stores and retail stores in san francisco i helped him a few nights on hate street and he put the sky trackers on hate street oh really like sale let's all go so i think he again he utilized a lot of those marketing skills that's what some of it is you own all these weird stores in san francisco it's i mean you and you get into some of this in the book and the way you go to san francisco with him and

he just has a key for everything uh just a enigma it's just so fascinating but so at this at this juncture uh there's a premiere uh it's gonna it's gonna be in theaters for two weeks do you have any sense of what did you think was going to happen at that point nothing no i i just remember i i went to the premiere i was moving places in la and um you know i just had given so much of my life to helping Tommy getting the film done. It was, you know, it was made years. You give him five years of your life.

Yeah. It had been, yeah, it had been quite a journey, especially like producing the room. I was there through the whole thing and helped him with post. And, um,

I think I was like, yeah, okay. You put the billboard up the premiere and that was it. I figured it was just, just move on. Um, the project was done. So I went I was like, yeah, okay. You put the billboard up the premiere and that was it. I figured it was just, just move on. Um, the project was done. So I went to the premiere and it was really funny to finally see, have an audience watch it that had no idea what was going on.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember these two critics in the lobby talking, like they walked out like 10 minutes in and the one guy said to his buddy, I'll never get hard again. And so that was funny, but I thought... Which if you haven't seen The Room, and by the way, big encouragement to any of our audience to see The Room if you haven't seen The Room,

but the treat of Tommy Wiseau's naked backside, which isn't even, you see his butt during the sex scenes, but then you really see it when he just like gets up to go to the bathroom. And that's another why. Like kind of all nudity in film has some intention. Either it's for like,

you know, sensual purposes or it's to like show somebody's vulnerability. And this is just like, I'm going to go to the can. You just follow him naked for no. What does that do other than make the audience

all yell and recoil? You know what he told me right before that? said greg i have to do it i was like what now i have to show my ass to sell this movie he's like you know brando would do it and i was like i was like yeah it's true but i thought that was it and then he literally went out and straight up did it. Wow. Wow. Wow. Oh, my God. So he was just, maybe that was the most calculated thing of like, this is going to help sell it. Like, he literally, a little nudity is making him titillate people and make them excited

to see it. Yeah, mission accomplished. I also think it was, yeah, it was his chance to be Brando James Dean leading man. And he was just gonna go all out for it and i think he had no idea what it was gonna turn into so he was truly that's what's so authentic about it you're seeing a guy who's really shooting for the stars wow wow yeah yeah yeah and you feel yeah you feel his influences he wears those on his sleeve in such a such a beautiful way um but i guess okay so at this point i thought that was it i thought i thought they

like it would show for two weeks and like it's hard to get even even good films traction right yeah yeah of course movies come out and then they have a la premiere and they're good and then that's it so i thought for sure this was going to be like he did his thing and now it's time to move on were you did you maybe want no one to see it just in case because you are in these you're in these odd sex scenes i did laugh when because with the premiere he had a few people review it so i did kind of in a sick way want that review where people are like what in the hell did happen and so some in the review somebody called my character something really funny so i laughed about it but i just did not think it could ever gain traction in a serious way i thought a few people would see it and i really wanted that

cringe that audience to experience the cringe but i that was about it right sure sure just like all right well i saw this through this has been an interesting experience so uh i guess now cut to 17 year old scott gardner uh the summer between high school and college and i am bored uh also i'm not i'm not i'm not doing much kind of a listless time for me and an angsty time being in that like that middle that middle gap and college nerves and i uh i just i remember watching tv like kind of like some local, and then seeing an ad for this movie, which mainly just struck me as, like, it probably was barely holding my attention. Just like, okay, so this is some, like, odd, pretentious little, like, independent drama or something. Until Tommy Husso yells, you're tearing me apart Lisa and that was this instant earworm there's just this like you know there's there's just such a a call from that like you

can't forget it so it's stuck in my head I'm like that's interesting okay let me file that away just like maybe I'll mention this to somebody someday and then then a week or so later, I'm in the car with my friends David Nelson and Michael Rousselet. Michael Rousselet later of, if any listeners have ever seen five second films of the movie Dude Bro Party Massacre 3, which you are in, Greg, a great guy. So we're just like tooling around the valley bored, trying to think of some way to kill the day. And I'm like, hey, has anybody seen this weird ad where this guy yells, you're tearing me apart? And I will never forget the look on Mike's face where he spins around with just bloodshot intensity in his eyes. And he says, yes, what the hell is that? He'd also been thinking about it for a week but

nobody to share with and it's pre not pre-internet but pre-youtube instead so like there's no way to like now there might be a way to like track that and what was that right but it's just been like gnawing at him and me too and then like oh my god that yeah well what is that we gotta figure out what that is and we went searching i think one of us remembered the name of the movie and god is there any way we could see that oh that's what we should do we should go see that movie well how do we see it oh my god it is playing at the literal closest movie theater to us what are the odds of that so we just get so punch drunk on this idea that we could like oh we're gonna do it we're gonna go watch it but assuming that we would encounter something that is like vaguely funny three times because this is the thing when you're fishing with kind

of crazy bad movies is like the thing you know the death of it is always boring like like a but just just a big merc uh which is what you know most are honestly um so that's what i expected maybe there'll be some weird hidden treasure in this uh we walk up to the box office of the lemley fallbrook seven uh and we have shading and grins on our faces and we say three for the room please and the person behind the counter smirks and just like has to stifle laughter and then and like and do her job um his job i forget who it was but the but uh this person then puts their just like uh like breaks a little bit uh gets themselves together and then says would you like to see a uh a review of the room uh yes we would that sounds great uh puts a review

up that is printed out puts it up to the window of the box office and immediately there's the headline this film is like getting stabbed in the head and now we're like hang on we are in for a lot more than i think we anticipated that we ever would be uh uh then this then a person immediately like stifles a little more laughter and would you like a copy of the soundtrack of the room what soundtracks are I'm getting presents from this movie? What have we entered here? So we're only getting more giggly as we walk in. Lights go down.

We sew films. Big ostentatious logo. Oh my God, there's a production company behind this. Credits start. Just pretty sincere-seeming film. The only odd thing is that his name is almost every credit but we are still just kind of like giggly where's this going and then he opens the door a moment i will never ever forget in my life is the first time hearing him open the

door and say hi babe and we it's just euphoria like we've never like the tension was building and building and then just erupted there was something orgasmic about this experience honestly not to be uncomfortable but just the but but truly where it's just like full body and then everything he says is in that tone and then his scenes and then a odd man child comes in a kid who they live with denny who's this and then every other scene is a sex scene i don't need to recap the whole movie but just the point is we were so just like this delivered out of the gate in a bigger way than we'd ever imagined the thing i always say about it like every every it is as funny uh as often as a sitcom is supposed to be you know like the way like a sitcom they're like checking the jokes off.

Like, okay, five per page. That was this movie. Like, I've just never seen anything like it. So we stay in the theater. The credits start rolling and we're like,

boy, that boy, that was something. All right. Well, you want to go? Michael Russo says, no,

we're not leaving. We are, I'm calling every let's, we all have to do it. We all have to call everyone in our phone and get them to come here right now we're rolling this into the next screening wow we're watching this again right now and i can't argue against that because like that's insane what do you mean i like um well the dicey thing uh we know we just we just rolled through

nobody asked about it uh uh Some people came in and paid. Other people were like, what are you talking about? I don't want to do that. That sounds like shit. And Mike said, we will open the theater doors and sneak you in. Go into the alley. So apologies for cutting into the box office back then. But it seems like everything worked out.

Yeah, I guess so, yeah. If not for that, it would have been. How many people were in the theater first, that screening, the first one? Oh, good question. In the audience. Yeah, so it was just me. If not for that, it would have been. How many people were in the theater first, that screening, the first one? Oh, good question. In the audience. Yeah, so it was just me and my friends David and Mike. And then a couple pockets. There was a group of two and a group of two.

And this was part of the strange, just full body shivers of the whole thing is that we were trying to stifle laughter, but it was impossible because we were like, who are those people? And did they work on the movie or something and then two of them left midway through who was so few okay so they're set two of them stayed and then we asked like did you have anything to do with that or whatever and and uh and one of them just said the worst goddamn movie i've ever seen

in my life and then kept walking okay so we're fine we're fine so the next screening i think we're clear we'll just like load this up with people uh i think like 10 people came the next night we went back probably like yeah 20 to 30 people the next night which is the final night of the run i think 60 people now we're like passing booze around we're all just like disgustingly sharing like one giant glass bottle of smirnoff. That's just like going down the road. So it's just, it's becoming a fucking part. I think that bottle shattered. It's just like,

it's a big fucking mess of a party. And then it ended and we thought, well, that was that we got to experience this thing, but we may never see this again. Did you know any of that was going on during that? Wow. Wow.

Jeez. Crazy. Cause I think there was us. And then the other one was in like mid Wilshire. Yeah. And I think a little group might have found it there. So then it became this odd thing of like stalking the movie. Like, are we ever going to get the chance to see this thing again? And we were worried it would never happen.

And then I'm checking the website every day. These are my strongest memories of the beginning of college. I should have been partying. I should have been trying to get laid. I wasn't doing website every day. These are my strongest memories of the beginning of college. I should have been partying. I should have been trying to get laid. I wasn't doing any of this. So much room. And then the room ended up being like this big icebreaker. It became like the way that I like, here, I have a personality.

I know about this weird movie. You have to come see it. They're showing it at this office building. So anyway, and then finally you guys start, somebody starts showing it. Oh, you were saying the son of Carl Lemley, founder of Universal Studios. See, there is theme park talk in this. Yeah, there is. And more to come.

We'll get into it with Greg. There's a lot to talk about. But that was a mind blower that Carl Lemley's son starts putting screenings together. So it becomes a once a month thing. Yeah, it would show at the Lemley Sunset Five last Saturday of every month. Wow. Yeah, yeah. And I would do the voice recording on the machine that Tommy had.

On the billboard, he had a phone number, which used to be my home phone number. Oh, yes. I would call that number. Wow, that was you. That used to be my home. And then so he would have me do the recording like, hey, come see the room last Saturday of every month. That sounds familiar because you're trying to unravel the mystery. Like the billboard has a number to call and then you call it and

it's mark answers what the fuck wild yeah what's happening so we all are like what is happening on the other side of this and then i imagine at some point it happened to you too that like wait people are coming to this like there is a weird little audience starting to come to these things speaking of icebreakers it's funny it did the same thing for me because so now we're now we're 2005 and it's the last set of every month for free yeah and so i'd be going around la driving meeting people and i have the room postcards in my car and so i'd be like hey i see this girl or whatever i'd be like hey uh you got this this going on i did this you know movie or whatever and then be like an icebreaker hopefully i at that time i was like hoping they'd never show up but i remember there's this

girl from south africa i was talking to her at starbucks and and then she called me later she's like you know in her accent she said i mean to be mean but this movie looks like shite she's like you're in this uh so i remember i was doing that and then i went to a couple screenings in like 2005 i think and i remember you guys were there and it was like a group of like 40 sure and the spoons were starting oh boy great and so it was this is a whole wait let me say that that really quickly that again if you and you might be very less if you don't know the movie just watch the movie it's wonderful it's such a rewarding treasure of the movie get the where do people watch it now is it still dvd the main way to

blu-ray and blu-ray i never did the brush i i owe a purchase of the blu-ray i gotta see what's up with the blu-ray but uh uh one of the odd aspects of it is that there is a framed photo of a spoon that's visible in many shots which i remember the discovery of that probably in the third time that we watched it where i think it was i think michael risley yelled there's a picture of a spoon up there and then like it was so lit up about it, so then the next night, he's like, here's an idea, got an idea, this is what's gonna make it Rocky Horror.

We should bring plastic spoons and throw them at the screen. And my now wife, Erin, was part of our, so the group that was starting to see this in these early days, and she discouraged this from happening she was like you cannot do that that's gonna make such a mess all these theater employees are gonna have to clean those things up you gotta think about that she's almost killed well now you've seen

like what it rot like she probably could have saved in her success she could have saved a lot of uh cleanup around the world like i've been oh wow yeah people come armed with spoons like around the world wow that's what the wow yeah people come armed with spoons like around the world wow that's what the biggest mind blower to me like the movie for sure but specifically the spoon thing being there for the like remembering someone having that idea and now knowing that spoons are thrown in russia yeah wait where did where have you because and this is a whole other thing you you like traveled the world showing this movie now. And this documentary piece that you made to promote your book, which I'm in, which is the last we saw each other.

But like, yeah, what's the crazy, where have you been with this movie? I mean, really like everywhere, all over Europe, every state. I've been to Russia, Estonia. Estonia. Estonia. Everywhere. Finland, Denmark, Sweden. Like, they're upset. Like, they throw so many spoons in Sweden.

Did you go back to Romania? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, good ass. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, do a double feature with the Retro Pub Master. It's in Japan. It's in China. I got stopped by, and it was in london fans fan from china

and and obviously we're gonna head into a music park stuff but i've been stopped at disneyland disney world like oh the employees oh hi mark oh wow everybody like everybody like a stormtrooper kylo you ever got like somebody did i send you the video wait i saw you post it i came up to me i was like off the side and i think it was the guy who was playing kylo is friends with somebody from alamo draft house who recognized came up wow and i was like this is weird you don't really try to get their attention but they totally trolled me and the stormtroopers like what have you done with the wookiee and i was like uh everyone's staring at me i was like i think he's that way but the uh no the spoon thing is like you guys are like the fact that you guys discovered that and it's become a worldwide like that's what everybody thought the publisher when i wrote

disaster i just wanted the the cover of the book to be a spoon wow wow oh my god it's the icon of the whole well this is the whole i mean like, basically, like the at least my personal journey through this movie has always been so like positive and magical. And like, you know, just like we said, like like it being this icebreaker and then like getting to the other side and like meeting you and the other people who were part of it. And like, oh, my God, everybody's everybody's like cool and excited about it and like deriving positivity from it and then watching that honestly that that spoon that watching that grow from like i remember somebody having that idea too it happens all over the world the fact that i encountered the movie on the way to film school basically in a very like precarious summer in a summer of a lot of fear, and like, I'm going to go chase my dream. But is there any chance that I would ever do anything

that anyone would ever see or that would spread or that anyone would ever respond to? The room and the spoons and all of it always was this beacon of hope for like, wow, if that can happen, what else can happen? If you just make something that you try to do sincerely and try to have a vision for, as you were saying. So honestly, let me just say sincerely,

like how inspiring the whole thing has been for me. And like everything I've gotten to do since, all the videos I've made, this podcast, it just like, it like all provided an example of like, you can start something with no audience and have it grow and have tons of strangers be into it and be excited about it. With no budget or plan for marketing. That's another important thing. Yes.

As all things start, as this podcast started. It's just the power of getting started. I think people wait for the perfect time or the perfect project and it's like, you just got to get out there and try it. And I think what comes from that may not be the first time. Maybe you meet somebody on the second project and you find your voice, but it's really one of those things. Like I didn't expect anything from the room of anything I've ever done in my entire life.

It was the last thing that I thought would ever connect with people. And it's just so fascinating. It's like such a great lesson with film never look down upon something never think something is you just don't know and and um what's so interesting is like hearing your story i mean i've told your story to audiences for years like i've talked about watching this film like getting stabbed in the head that you guys saw i must have said all i imagine i said all that when you interviewed me 10 years ago um but what i'm wondering like do you think there's some sort of destiny like there's something there with the room like you guys were sort of the voice of that generation whoa do you know what i mean like like i that's a weighty thing to uh i don't know if i can speak

to that is i don't know if that's my mantle to take i just accepted i think about it i think where you were at in your guys's life like the openness and maybe you guys were the kind of that first audience that was could get like your minds were in a place where you could get it i don't think my parents didn't get it like my mom said oh hi marx i was in it but you guys were really the first audience that could sit there and like like digest it the way it was meant to be digested jeez wow i mean i hope so that's an honor if you're saying that and by the way you the like you legitimized it has always meant a lot to me that you put uh credit mike and i in the book and as a picture of us in

your bit like it has always felt wonderful to like because you know sometimes you can feel like you know a hipster like oh i was there like you know you're trying to like uh insert yourself as a i knew about this thing before but you like giving us any sort of credit for that has always been been very uh meaningful but i yeah i mean i think what i i i think hopefully what we all love about and what continues to resonate about it for us is the like the psychology at play you're not just watching the movie you know that there's a story here there's another and that it all stems from the odd psychology of tommy and as you were saying like he really does get like has anyone like put their unique brain into a movie more successfully?

I don't think. Somebody, I was literally watching a video this morning about Steven Soderbergh. And somebody's like, you know, he does all the things himself. And he edits while he's going. And I'm like, yeah, that's true. Like, that is kind of rare. Because most, you know, big people, yeah, they have other people they rely on to do a few of the things. And they get the input.

But this, the way, especially hearing you describe it, I it i'm like oh it's like he literally shaped it it's all directly yeah and yeah i got a crazy story about you bring up steven soderbergh um i mean this is just like hard hitting but uh the simon schuster sent a copy of my book, The Disaster Artist, to David Fincher. Wow. David Fincher received it and looked at it and said, oh, The Room. My friend Steven Soderbergh is obsessed with this film. Wow.

Oh my God. And hearing David Fincher say that, I was like, oh my God. Wow. Wow. I mean, you're talking about like our, and then another crazy story. I was at the Palm spring film festival and the disaster came out and Paul Thomas Anderson was there for a phantom threat and he was standing alone at

the bar. And I thought, I'm just going to go up. And I was sitting with the organizer of the festival. And I went up to him and I said, Hey, uh, your films,

boogie nights and the master really inspired me when I was writing the disaster. And he just like shook my hand and said, Oh, thank you. And then I walked away and I was like, my god i shook like paul thomas there saying i'm talking to jen who was like one of the pr people and so he walked away and went to the other organizer and said oh my i'm a little starstruck i met the guy from the room

and so i thought like what is this like this crazy world we're living in where somehow that movie has tapped into all the people you would have dreamt of working with in such a twisted, strange way? How would you have traveled? What you could have ever... As a struggling actor, you missed a part in this movie. How could you have ever imagined

on the other stage in 20 years, this is your path to all's all of cinema's great yeah it's so it's it's such a twisted joke how you know and i used to always say out of the room like it's so bad and watch it but then like after once once anything any art has traveled for 20 years and people still talk about it and watch it and it's been through generations like you guys were the first one that's now in 2025 um i can't really like judge it that way because it's like any film i ever do or make or like i would hope that like the dream is that people still consume it 20 years later like it still works like something timeless and i'm like damn how did like how did it pull it off this is

strangest possible paths there ever could have been to one of those. Well, let me bring things into our territory here a little bit and say, so here's another. So we hadn't, I don't think we hadn't spoken since you interviewed me for this video that you've been showing when you toured the movie. You showed this little documentary you did about it, and then you show the film. And you were showing it at this venue in Pittsburgh that we, the Podcast of the Riot, would really love to play at some point, Bottle Rocket Social Hall. Chris Kopin is the owner's name.

And I think, so he was hosting you for your tour, and the video before it comes up, and I'm in it, and he approaches you after and says wait a minute you know Scott Garner wait why is Scott Garner in this what's going on here yeah he's like how did you get Scott Garner in here and I was like oh he's like one of the original who launched the room he's like no he has oh he's like I know you love Disney you're always a Disney world like he has the best podcast about like music. You got to listen to it. And I'm like, of course Scott does. So that morning I reached out to Scott and I started listening to podcasts right all the way, driving like across.

Oh man. Thank you. Which then has caused a bunch of discussion for a while between you and I, which has been such a delight. The discovery that with all the, okay, there's that whole shared odd history that we have and the weird way that we met. And now on top of it, you are a mega Disney parks person, a mega Disney world person. I don't even know where to begin exactly with all of this other than I think when you first brought it up, you really threw it all out there and said that you were, you didn't even say I go to Disney world all the time.

You framed it as i've been living in disney world four chunks at a time do you want you want to speak to that or what you're especially recent disney sure yeah a quick so super quick backstory uh at the age of 12 um i went to disney world for the first time and um i didn't know it at the time but there's something called disney depression you're probably like to be like, what the hell? You know, I've never heard that coin, but I know what you're talking about. I think I know what you're talking about. Because you're immersed in this world.

Every decision you're making is based on fun, excitement. Nothing counts. You're walking so much, food calories don't count. Right, right. Everything, it takes away all your problems. And then you leave and it's like really hard especially world because you're in the world like everywhere you go it's disney you're the music that you're saying there's probably no more core memory for me and my parents still bring it up all the time

than leaving disney world from our first trip when i was seven and that i was just like bawling the entire time from the cab, the airport. I like it's among my earliest memories, which are interesting things to be earliest memories because it's full of joy. But also, but the deep set. And I think my parents knew then like this is a sadness that isn't just like, we'll come back next year. And they're like, I think a personality is forming and perhaps a podcast in many years. But anyway, I know exactly. So it was 12 for you.

Yeah. And so I left and I was just, yeah, I was just like down. I didn't want to go back to school. It was like a late summer trip. I went to the water parks. I met this girl who we kept in touch, like writing letters. We talk about this all the time. We always thought on a vacation we could like form new identities.

Right. this is we talk about this all the time we always thought on a vacation we could like form new identities right like if i'm really confident at blizzard beach just eschew everything i am back in woodland hills well well for me it was if i'm really confident a girl will come up and do all of the work as far as introducing herself to me then saying like hey let me show you how to kiss for the first time but that did not happen yes you actually had to talk to people to make that go down but i did not do it um just these incredible memories i was kind of depressed to go back to school i wasn't a wasn't a great student and i just wanted to find my way back to disney world obviously being back in california that was a long way uh and then christmas i saw the movie home alone and i i don't know what came over me but after I saw the movie Home Alone I started I've never written anything before I took a pencil and a notepad and I

literally hand wrote a 78 page script Home Alone lost in Disney World wow and I wrote a good idea good idea yeah that's if they had somehow pulled that together then that's a that's a money printer as the third movie yeah and so i and and and get this and i'm not making it up i wrote a part for myself that kevin mcallister now had a buddy sure in disney world to fight off the bandits who are now janitors who are there to rob cinderella's jewels and they call themselves the Bling Bandits. Wow. Cinderella's jewels, that's so good.

You're not going to believe what I called my character in 1990. Oh God, not Mark Damon. Mark. What? What? It was Mark. I called myself Mark. That's insane.

Insane. That's also insane that you didn't just say Greg, that it's me, Greg. Oh yeah, yeah, you're right. You weren't so egotistical in your 12-year-old writing. Just a tad. Insane. That's also insane that you didn't just say, Greg, like it's me, Greg. Oh yeah, yeah, you're right. You weren't so egotistical in your 12-year-old writing. Just a tad. So I wrote a part for myself and I hand wrote the script to 78 pages

and I wasn't doing homework. I was just writing nonstop and researching. Back then it was really hard. You had to get the newspaper. You had to like, I looked at Home Alone photos. And then I convinced my parents to get me a video writer. I mean, this was so archaic. It was like a floppy disc and a little mini cursor with like, it looked like old Space

Invaders, like 1960s style. I wrote out the script, drew a poster for it, printed it, went to Kinko's, got on 411, called 20th Century Fox, found, they're like, you can't send it here you got to find john hughes's production company we don't produce home alone found found john hughes production company in lake forest illinois went to fedex mailed the package my mom thought like i'm not putting any money in this like you're insane and i mailed the script out with a cover letter and in my cover letter i was telling john hughes that combining the home alone story with the disney franchise would be again it would be an incredible marketing tool this is like 1991 i was like you were being you were an executive right that's really it took me over i was obsessed

like my life was this so i mailed it to john hughes week goes by and i'm like i so believe this was gonna happen i stopped like studying i didn't care about school and i was like a week's gone by i haven't heard from john hughes uh two weeks go by my mom comes back from the mail and says there's a package for you from from hughes productions and i was like wow oh damn yeah okay here we go it's a go yeah we're making it next week yeah and so i i open it and um my script is in there and then there's a handwritten note that says like how impressed john hughes was that i found him that i did this and that like keep believing in yourself and follow your dreams and i was like

oh my god so what about the movie right um straight to the negative yeah but uh moving here and so um it hit me pretty hard. We didn't make it. I couldn't watch Home Alone for a while, but I knew there, like that's what I wanted to do is I wanted to tell stories. I like, so now let's cut to 2023. Okay.

Late 2023, I take a young family member to Disney World for the first time. and i get to and i'd been a few times been to disneyland like i always had a good time but this is like july of 2023 and i i see disney world through her eyes wow and just have this incredible time and then i start to discover sort of what disney world is now you have the resorts you have the uh extended hours and the magic bands and all this stuff and all of a sudden like i get like i i get hit the way i did when i was 12 wow oh so you were like you were into into it never like

fully built on but you were like a fully reactivated it was yeah totally reactivated and i i sort of like because there's a there's a new draw as an adult like so for me i haven't seen a lot of the films like i just this last year watched moana like i haven't seen a lot of films what drew me in was the the imagineering and the park and the just the whole feeling you are when you go um and so we went back for christmas and it was incredible see i sent you photos stay at the grand floridian the gingerbread house oh yeah it was just like this whole i was like okay now i'm back to where i was 12 and i was like i gotta go back and revisit what i what i did and so i went back to it and I said, you know what? Now I'm an adult.

I think. I can do something with this now. I'm going to take this story and I'm going to turn it into something. And so for the past year, I've basically, like I said, so my character in the story, the script that I wrote, lives at Disney World. Right.

He was related. Where? Where do you live? He was related to Walt Disney. Oh. And he was trying to defend the vision of Walt, but like it had been taken over. So he was like living in the underground, like parts of the park. In the tunnels below.

In the tunnels. Oh. The secret little caverns that walt built he was living he had keys to walt's apartment like he had he had like the little underground magic that nobody else had and so he helps kevin so i uh so he's the bird lady of like yeah totally yeah i do have someone on my side in this crazy place. And so I just got fully back. And so when I'd go, like I sent you that list, I've been to all the resorts. I've gone to all the different.

I don't think I realized that that was because you've basically, you've stayed everywhere, but you're only missing two. And I think I thought that was more of a like last five years or lifetime thing. That's since that's only in front of 2023. Yeah. That's starting 2023 to, wow. To October of last year. Holy shit.

Wow. Okay. What, what are you missing? Well, let's go by what you were missing because otherwise you've been to every, it, did you say you got in beach club?

I haven't done young beach club. I haven't done boardwalk. Hmm. Um, so those two, but everywhere else you've stayed at wow and for like big stretches like average of like three to five wow sometimes if it's so fourth of july at epcot is the best party like that is never done that no we've never done that incredible time they have live music firework show is like the best I've seen. So 4th of July is a really great way to kick it off. And what's awesome is if you're staying near Epcot at Swan or Yacht and Beach Club or any of those, you just walk in. Right.

Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. And then for contemporary is one of the best spots. Because if you have a resort view, you literally go on your balcony. I think I sent you the video where you just look out and you see magic kingdom right you see the grand floridian you can just see everything from your balcony it's almost like i don't need to go and so there's just yeah certain parts of the park that are just have this like i don't know

when you when you're at disney world everything your whole mood's different and and it's like i i hadn't you know i'd been back before but rediscovering the magic in a different way has really plugged me into the creation of it like how like riding tron i remember i sent you those yeah yeah those videos like just going into how they take the movie and how they take one idea and build it. And the joy it brings to so many people. I've rediscovered so much of it. And I went actually to Marceline, Missouri, which is where Walt was from. Oh, yes. The basis of Main Street.

Yeah. Yeah. That was a mind blow. When you were giving me your stats and I was like, I don't know, have we talked to anybody who's been to Marceline, Missouri? It's a tough one to get to. I've been to Kansas City, and it's just far enough to where you're going somewhere else.

And so this last time I was in Omaha, Nebraska. And I was like, you know what? It's only two and something hours away. Screw it. I'm going. I'm not going to wait for the next chance and so i pull pull into marceline missouri and it was so eerie and cool because it feels like you're on main street there's nobody there yeah and you pull up and there's like the old theater and they have like the railroad that walt used to like

what inspired him to do all the railroads um you go into some of the restaurants and they have some of the drinks from Disney World like Boathouse they have like the really oh hey now we're talking wow okay yeah I was like you guys want me over here this is cool yeah yeah and then just getting to walk around the town at night and hear the railroad and then go to the museum I went to the old wishing barn which oh yes now this was it because we talk a lot about kind of odd walt mythology and that sudden like because we feel like things come up that like oh he's got the lamp above the fire station and we were like i never heard of this lamp before and you're telling me i did now there's a whole other i didn't know about

the barn and the tree there's a lot there's all these wishing things that yeah yeah i went so i walked up the wishing barn and it was so bizarre because this the cutest cat followed me around for an hour and 20 minutes like it was like a real life figure that's what i would say is it figaro yeah he literally and i kept videoing him and he was like followed me and would rub up against me and then i went into the wishing barn he just sat outside the door and looked at me and meowed the entire time and just sat there wow it would come it was like it was i was like is this walt is it reincarnated it was it was such like a ghost is rubbing people before they go in the barn pretty magical right come to my parts money in the pockets of my ancestors or my relatives uh but it was it was

if anybody is a disney fan it was a great pilgrimage uh rolling in there at night and they have the old main street music playing which is just like which is like what turn of the century kind of like yeah it's sort of like what you hear at the parks and i and i i try to get a video for you like just to like the scroll over and see what it's like, but it felt like you were on Main Street. Yeah, yeah. There was an odd specific magic, too, that wasn't just regular main drag, a small town. There's something to it. Was there a lot of people?

Were there a lot of tourists there? There was nobody there. Nobody, okay. I was the only one walking around. Really? Huh. There was nobody there. Wow.

I guess because it's kind of out of the way. Like I said, it's like two hours going each way and it's like unless yeah I really lined it up and I'm so glad I went during the winter it was like a lot cooler right and it just had yeah I was it was and then not far from there is Hannibal Missouri which is where Mark Twain is from no really which is where he got the

idea to do the 20 the Mark Twain boat sure. Oh, really? Which is where he got the idea to do the Mark Twain boat. Sure, sure. The Tom Sawyer Island. I went to like, that's only an hour and a half. Tom Sawyer Island is all near there. So you could see the influences of the parks so clearly. Jeez, jeez. Like true Americana.

That's great. So you recommend it as a pilgrimage, but it's kind of a, you don't stay at the, there's not some magical Marceline hotel. You sort of got to like pop in. The Grand Marceline? Yeah. Oh, they should.

Why don't they do it? There is a cute little motel there that has the old Disney posters, like the old monorail posters, the old Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, wow. So there is a cute little hotel in town, like a mile out. Sure, sure. Yeah. They haven't, they have no deluxe resorts there yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It sounds like they haven't monetized this to the degree they could it sounds like in some ways you'd imagine it's the Wisconsin Dells and there's just a bunch of shitty t-shirt stores being like Disney was here it seems classier than that it does that's what I liked about it

it felt like you were just in some small town you could really get a feel of what he experienced and there's a really cute little museum there that's very well done has a lot of artifacts some really great like 3d disney art that's cool again very subtle wow wow that sounds lovely um so you're so you're a disney world hotels aficionado particularly let me i guess let me ask is there if you had to commit to one you can only stay at one from here on out which which one we talk on a great great question i was in so i one of the most insane disney things i've ever done is i went to the grand floridian for the fourth of july because we would talk about like investigating disney depression right when you leave you just

feel like you're going back to the real world and it's still there in a different way. So this time I thought I'm going to try to test it. So I was at the Grand Floridian for 4th of July. My birthday flew to Aulani in Hawaii. Wow. Which is an incredible Disney world there. They have all the characters. And then from Aulani flew straight back to the disney world to the

polynesian for uh my family family's birthday damn so i tested to see what is hawaii is totally but when i was in alani um i got pulled aside they're like have you heard of like dbc disney vacation club okay and they're like like yeah it's like so they start saying you can like buy into a resort it's your home resort and when they're asking that question made me think about it all and they were telling me like riviere is available or this is available and i would say for me probably my favorite that feels the most timeless is the grand florida yeah yeah i love the idea of the monorail coming into the hotel yeah picking you up taking you to the park it's those little things when you get older where

it's like you've done the rides it's those little touches that like that's what gets you i think as you get older so i think grand floridian um was was incredible and then at during the holidays at christmas time the wilderness lodge is spectacular like they have one of the best trees i've ever seen it's like huge right yeah you walk in it's like a woodsy cabin feel and you look up and the tree is is really anybody who hasn't done during the holidays it's an incredible resort that's the thing i remember my parents carving out time to do and even in our childhood trips was like this day no parks or maybe we'll pop into one later in the day but today we're just going to go or we're just going to look at christmas decorations in these hotels you have smart parents yeah they knew how to do it that's

really i don't know how they even knew that that was an aspect of it but they were they were that that part of it had a giant influence on me and the fact that I still try to spend as much time as I can in hotel lobbies still where I go to write and relax and get away. Yeah, no, same here. I'm always chasing that vibe. That's what I'm saying. Living at Disney World, like anytime I had a booking or something, I'd always, if there's in-between week or i'd always be i was at disney world for 36 36 days and it was like again the fact that if you have the annual pass thing it's fun because you have like the magic band and you can go in and do whatever you want but it was chilling

in the resort going for a walk just the freedom to just explore and then i found this like super cool experience that i did not know was possible if you're staying at the contemporary they actually rent boats yes i've done this yes and you can go and go cruise around the seven seas lagoon it's like i was the only person out there yep and it was the another the other one was the sheriff like the just waiting and. And it was the, the other one was the sheriff, like the, just waiting. And I was literally cruising through the Polynesian. Yep. And it was like, there's just so many cool things you can do.

And if you're doing something creative or want to get your mind off stuff, like just that low stress, being around creativity. That's also what I love is like how they schedule those midday parades. And you have to see, so you see people giving their all the dancers, the MCs. Yeah. You're just around like happiness and creativity that it, it just, it's such a good place to be just, just for that.

Yeah. This is what the, this is what people don't. I mean, people that are listening to this understand it, but regular people don't understand when you're like, well, you go to Disney a lot.

It's like, yeah, I do. And then you will, will you go to all the rides every, no no no no no no no no no you drive down you get a little meal you can do some work near it and you'll hear the music you'll you'll smell the smells and then it's so much and it's vibes and i go maybe i'll go on one ride and then i'll come back and then they just look at you like you're insane. But you're like, no, no, no, no. Come with me.

Come with me and I will convert you. I think if you were spending every day just like bouncing around the Fantasyland dark rides and that is it. If you're just around like Carousel Calliope, there's something odd about that. I can see the lack of appeal. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, just around loud sounds and kids and rides where things jump out at you. But I do think that's one of the biggest gulfs in trying to convey any of this to anybody is the Disney serenity. Because it's definitely there.

You've for sure experienced it. I think every hotel has its version of just like, oh, it's so still. And either people are already back from the parks or they're still at the parks. So you kind of got this. The fact that you could just like, I got the boardwalk to myself. How is that even possible? Yes. And just crickets chirping and water shimmering.

It's like, it is, it's magical to think about. It is. It's just built to like experience joy. Like I was staying at the Swan Hotel and I walked out and there was like the white sand. Yes. The water there. Yeah. And there was a hammock in

between two palm trees and i just like sat on it for a little bit i was like looking up and i was like you know you could be in so many different places but disney's found a way to take what you would feel in all these other countries that would take you so long to get there and passports and like difficulties and they've brought it to you yeah and that's what i think if you you have the imagination you can go there and escape into kind of whatever you want to do and that's also why epcot's become one of my favorite parks too is because yeah they've just found a way to bring you safety fun adventure and it's just all handed to you and like and just like like big strolls i feel like front of the show jason wallner was just there and i was like i feel like the big

thing about epcot is just is just being there it's just taking a walk it's just like lagoon it's looking at that architecture even if you don't go do anything in the world showcase pavilions just like passing by and then this music gives way to that music and like i really think especially epcot i think number one attraction is just is just vibe well i also think of boardwalk and everything as part of epcot like the attraction wise i'm like well at night we're going to go to abracadabra and we're going to do this and yes if jelly rolls was still there if i mean it is still there right now but for me i would be like well we're doing jelly rolls that's part of Epcot in my mind.

So that's all rolls into one for me when I think of it. 100% right. I always think Epcot is like its own world. And then you can just literally walk over to Hollywood Studios. Yes. Yeah, yeah, right.

Or a little boat. Or a little, yeah, yeah, your little Skyliner now. Yeah. That's so much, yeah, that aspect. I had like true serenity in that zone you're describing, Greg, where the like, when these guys, I did not, it was a long day around drinking around the world, food and wine. I did not have it in me to go to a dueling piano bar at the very end of the long day,

even though they did and had a wonderful time. But I was like like i know what i need i know what my spirit needs so badly which is to just walk that the michael graves causeway between the swan and the dolphin and then just kind of like go sit on the grass and just like put my feet out watch the water and it like it's just funny that it gives it gives you any if you're in the mood for dueling piano covers of Give Me One, what did they play? Oh, well, they played like Moving Right Along, I think, from the Muppet movie. But then they, you know, I don't, did they do Don't Stop Believing?

It feels right if they didn't. Seems like if you want to hear some dueling piano journey, but if you want just like peace, you can get that too. That's still what I'm dreaming of because I'm coming off a crazy run, like a big project that was very involved and then having a second child and really my happy place. And I was like, and I still haven't gotten there, but I will. Ooh, and when I'm there, hey, maybe when we're all at a live show or something. But I'm going to get to one. I'm getting balcony at whichever one has a balcony, swan, dolphin.

I like to say both. So swan to me I think is better. It's got better views. I did dolphin the first time. It's good better views. I did Dalton the first time. It's good, but Swan's just got a better vibe. And then I really like Swan Reserve. Swan Reserve. Because it has the top level.

You can take it up and you literally go up there and you have a view of the entire Epcot. It's one of the best views at Disney. I would like to see that. Swan Reserve's got great restaurants. It's newer. It's like a newer DVC resort. So it doesn't feel like hardcore Disney. It's just like a really nice resort.

But I think, yeah, Swan is great too. Yeah, yeah. In terms of – this has been a long time with no real specific ride talk, but let's do a little of that. What is – first of all, Epcot, well, what's your Epcot? What's like the big things you got gotta hit in a uh in a big epcot so epcot um what you said as well the vibe is great drinking around the world is so much fun yeah um one of the things i did um was sort of a ritual is my son kind of backwards but you go to the rose and crown bar in england you do a few

whiskey shots there okay okay and then if you're still feeling like risky get one more drink and go ride guardians oh so riding guardians with that sort of like wild buzz oh you're not worried about nausea come back because people get nauseous even sober on that baby that's what i was gonna say so when i first did guardians um i had a little bit you kind of hit me a little weird yeah and then i did the whiskey thing and since then it's been one of my favorite rides it's just you're just in the right mindset and you don't get affected by the the turn so i love doing that having a couple shots of whiskey go to guardians damn i never done that bar i gotta i will do this next time.

I don't know if I can handle several shots anymore. I know. Good for you. It hits hard. Maybe it's the kids thing. Something about that makes it tougher. But, yeah, Guardians is definitely really up there. Love Test Track.

It's down right now. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Are you hopeful for the new one? What are your feelings? I mean, I really enjoyed it. I'm sure they'll add a nice twist to it.

It felt a little 90s. It's getting janky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. A little tired, yeah. But I think they'll do something cool. And again, what I love is when you have the extended hours

at Epcot, you get to stay until 11. Okay, okay. And if you time it right, you can get on your last ride at 11, be there almost till midnight. Oh, jeez. And then if you're at

the opposite end of the park and then you can just like walk out slowly yeah by yourself while things just shimmer and sparkle that's that's the best way to time is when you sort of walk out you have the park yourself one one thing that happened that was crazy actually last summer is i don't know if you guys ever done this but you can eat dinner in the cat and cinderella's castle i have never done it i know you've been doing this yeah yeah so the the hack with that is if you go you get the last reservation you have dinner it's great um super cool experience and then you are escorted out as the last patron in the park oh really so i literally got to walk around Magic Kingdom as the last person and just hang.

That's a great hack. That's a great tip. You could just sit there and just take it all in. They don't rush you. Super cool. Like Kevin McAllister, but without the stress of being a child alone anywhere. And no bandits. Not that I saw.

Yeah. Thank God. You were there for one of those incidents, right? Yes. Wasn't there some scary people? I thought it was gunshots it was one of those nights i was in the castle um and we missed the whole thing people were writing me like hey are you all right i was like yeah i've got wine and i'm in the castle yeah i've ever been i think i'm good and they're like oh there's some incident that went down i saw these videos just missed the

whole thing and then that was one of the nights getting escorted out being the last people in the park and i got a ton of photos with it empty as inspiration for what the park would look like in the story oh sure yeah yeah yeah so wow wow that also if we're great is kevin's at grand floridian is that the like because that's very that's very much in that like plaza and all the nice food and all that and then like they did the like roaza and all the nice food. It is, totally. And then like they did the Rockefeller Center and the tree. I can feel that Home Alone magic. Maybe John Hughes did read the script and used it for Home Alone. Oh, maybe. Yeah, yeah.

Just like fused it all into, uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah. Oh, and speaking of Home Alone, get this. You're going to love this. At the 2018 Independent Spirit Awards, Tommy and I were there for the Disaster Artist. Man, incredible. And the award show's over and we go outside

and Chris Columbus and his family comes up and says how much he loves the room and the Disaster Artist. And I'm like, Chris Columbus? He's like, yeah. I was like, oh my God. Like I could not not and then he was he was obsessed why tommy wanted to move him here for the photo and so it was like he got he got

lost in that i'm like no no i want to talk to you about home alone yeah yeah um so the fact that like chris columbus and i asked him i was like you've seen the disaster he's like oh we saw it like four times i'm like damn and i was just like like, Chris, and Tommy had no idea who Chris Collins was. Of course. Oh my God, geez. He checked out after Rubble without a cause. That's the only thing he knows about. I feel like I have to ask,

do you have any, has there ever been any discussion or proof of Tommy Wiseau going to a Disney park? Oh my God. I have the perfect story for you. Oh, great. Oh, thank God. When I thought of it, I thought of it.

Very interesting story, Mark. I thought of it. Very interesting story, Mark. I thought of it on the way here and I'm so glad I jogged all my memories. Because 2005, I booked some convention in Orlando. And I hadn't been in years to Disney World. So he kind of tagged along. I did the convention and we went to magic kingdom so we're in line for splash mountain and two really weird things happen so we're in line just getting to the corridor where you're starting to go down uh to where you're gonna get

on the ride and he and i were like just talking and there was a woman in front of us who was blind. Mm-hmm. And she turned straight to me and said, you have a lot to offer, but you don't believe in yourself. Jesus. Okay. And I was like, oh my God. She's like, I can hear it in your voice. And I remember just like this woman with glasses staring at me like staring through me and i was like okay cool shook that off we get on the ride tommy and

i are going through splash mountain we're having a good time we're going like getting towards where you're about to rise and the person in front of me has the biggest wasp on their back that you're so i'm looking at it and i'm like oh no and i like tap tommy and he goes don't say don't tell her because she will freak out will come straight on you oh okay and i'm like oh no oh my god so we're going up up, up to go on the fall. Oh Jesus, that's so stressful. And I'm staring at this wasp and he's like. Wait, that's right after the bee part of the ride too.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa, oh my God. And so it goes down, I duck. And then there's no wasp. So very Tommy way to ride Splash Mountain. He's like, I told you. So that was the Disneyney experience that's life you have a bib the wasp comes on you you know good thing happened bad thing happened that's life there's so many there's so many things like i quote it all the time and i

think it's so quotable because that's one aspect of it is that like i don't think you could quote a movie. Somebody somebody like bad movies are about like some crazy monster or something. So how do you like it's about creatures and how do you fold that into your life? There's so much the fact that the room is just about people and stuff. And there's all these anonymous phrases that just like like Aaron and I cannot cannot say if one of us says, oh, we'll see. We have to say, oh, we see. Don have to say uh we see don't plan too much you should not plan too much it may not come out right is that is that good or bad advice

disney world wise or are you a super planner should you plan too much or it may come out right great question now i've had the luxury of going a lot and knowing that i'm going a lot right so so you can pace it. People that like go for the first time with their kids, they want to just do, it's a small world. They want to like fit everything in something's twice. Yeah. I, for me, I really enjoy, depends on weather.

Let's say it's like a nice day. I really enjoy getting to the park a bit later. I think the afternoons and the evenings are the best times to ride things and see things. So I'm like a 2.30, 3 PM. Nice. Okay. Stroll in and just take your time. I think having a loose plan, maybe having like

a cool dinner reservation. Yeah. Because in Disney World, there's so many places to try. You have all the Epcot restaurants. One of my favorites is Steakhouse 71 at Contemporary. It's an incredible restaurant. I haven't done it.

Oh, you told me about California Grill. You haven't done California Grill? Which I tried and it was great. It was really great. You got a little shit from Matt Cardona. He's like, there's a wrestler who's a big Disney World fan who comes on the show. He was mad that I only had pizza in the lounge at the California Grill.

He's like, so you haven't been. Not the full prefix. That means you haven't been. It was on Zoom so I wasn't as scared as I would have been in real life. But yeah, he thought that was sort of fake. When I said I had been there, he felt that was not legitimate. Wow. That was not a claim. I don't know. That's a very judgmental way to view things, though.

Although, I don't want shit from him. Well, yeah, you shouldn't, because you align with him on a lot of things. I know. I do. Yeah, yeah. Which, you know what what i can't help but ask i gotta ask oh living with the land um i've done it a couple times where do you land seems like what's your feeling i mean there's some of the there's some rides that you go and just sort of like it's like a mood you're like i'll jump back on that again and take it in but yeah you know it's it's not like one that you're it's not like a soren where you takes you on an escape and you're like oh i'm gonna start with that one it's sort of it's a mood one sort of like the figment ride

uh-huh oh now that that's a good question spaceship earth it's like if it's a it's a mood um it's a mood all right yes think it puts me in a bad mood. Yeah. No, I have this whole, like, I just fully don't like or get living with the land. And this has been a battle for me on the show for years and years. And I want to get it. But, yeah, Cardona backs me up on it. The thing that's so crazy is everybody's arguments for why I should like it.

I'm like, I know. That is what I like about a lot of things, but it's what makes me like the Mexico boat ride, the Three Caballeros ride. That one has, I don't know, everyone's arguments about living with the land, I just apply to other things. I think it's queue-based, honestly,

and you've talked about it before, but I think it's that unpleasant cafeteria feeling. Yes, I don't like that bottom floor of the land for all the magical places at epcot especially i think it's just like crowded stressful a lot of traffic people coming out of bathrooms a lot of people trying to get to soren right and a busy like you know like like really quick service restaurant i bet it's that yeah i really think i think so yeah as opposed to like being like yeah like like entering this beautiful lobby with the Joe Rohde mural and like atmosphere and dim. Like that's the, you know, like you get such a great pre-show, I would say, going into that thing as opposed to just like, I don't know, it's like kind of yellow and angry.

Well, I was saying, was it on the Cardone episode, last one about Tower of Terror where like I didn't go to the Tower of Terror in California Adventure that much, even though we love that ride. Right, right. But it's set back in Florida. The queue and placement of ride seems to matter. And then there are rides on each coast that are more popular than the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I do think it's like ride placement and then queue has a lot to do with popularity. There's some psychology to that.

Well, honestly, that's a great point because if you look at like soren which is in the bottom of that cafeteria yeah yeah and you go to you go to california adventure it's placed in like this redwood area that feels so better feels so much more exciting to go into right i love that zone man that's the last thing i ended i got to end my day there the other day and i just like i was ending a little early and i was still like you know what i think i'm good i get to soak this up and right like oh man yeah that's yeah yeah instead of like you go into a tiny lobby on a bottom floor and then get squeezed through it yeah that's an unfortunate thing about that it's so hard to find too it's like we're soaring yeah yeah another ride i want to ask you guys about um uh the finding nemo at epcot which i saw i went on for the first time it's newer and they have real dolphins

oh do the in that so i mean i'm going through nemo and i see like a dolphin swim by and i'm like damn that looked really good and it's like there's that was a dolphin and then you go up and they have this whole aquarium and they have such an impressive collection like and there's dolphins like swimming in there so the dolphins are all seeing dolphins there maybe i just am i crazy do you have dolphin in the actual living seas yeah yeah uh well they have what manatees yeah they have section but the dolphins are swimming in like you're going through you're seeing the graphics of Nemo, but there's actually dolphins coming through that are part of it. Not every time, but the time I caught it. And then they had Mickey scuba diving.

Oh, right. I've never seen that in person either. That was. That's a very like, if you go there on a TGIF episode, maybe there's a character snoring like scubaing down there, but that's cool. That's a good little treat. And so again, the queue for that is not bad, but I was really impressed when I tried the Nemo at Disneyland for the first time, the submarine. Yeah. Again, the queue is super cool. You don't know where you're getting into.

It feels authentic. So I think there's just something special off of retry, but I'm with you. Living with the land is not something I'm'm gonna seek out because it's sort of buried in a way that's not i don't know if it had a killer cue you'd give it more of a chance yeah yeah yeah there might be something to that yeah yeah maybe i have to like see past the cue i look i again say to listeners i want to get it i'm not trying to be a hater. Yeah. And there's some things that are, that are like a one-time thing. And you, you get it.

Like I did space 2020, the rest. Oh, we haven't talked about this much. Have you been there, Mike? No, I've never been.

I forgot about it last time we were there. We meant to do it. We meant to do it. We owe an episode on that. Yeah. What'd you, what'd you think? I think it makes it really hard.

Cause it's booked out so far in advance, but I got a reservation. Um, really, the experience is really cool the whole setting's cool they have incredible carrot cake okay it's like i don't know if it's a vegan carrot cake something it was carrot cake was was phenomenal but again it's one of those things enjoyed it super cool but it's not one that i'm gonna be like we gotta book that

again right again and again it's one of those things you that's what's so cool about disney world there's so many first things to try some of you might love and become it may become a mainstay but um it's just worth it to give it a shot once have you been there recently when this new cake shop has opened up on the boardwalk that everyone's talking about you know i'm talking about i don't know about the cake shop it's a very expensive cake shop oh i saw the construction of it every time i walked by for like weeks but i have not okay been in there because i am fascinated there's a lot of discourse and then they lowered the prices of the cake okay after opening because the cake was like 30 for a slice or something for a slice really maybe it was 25 or something but i think it's a little lower but then some piece some

people went and like ordered every piece. Because all the vloggers, the vlogger community there, I just am impressed with how big it's growing every day. But I've watched multiple vlogs now of people trying all the cakes. It does seem like they like the cakes. It seems like the cakes are good. Okay, okay. I am excited about it.

It's a tree. It's worth treating yourself sometimes. That's a crazy price. So I'm excited. I don't know. Maybe It's a tree. It's worth treating yourself sometimes. That's a crazy price. So I'm excited. I don't know. Maybe there's an $18 cake. I forget what the lowest price. A bite.

A bite. Yes. It's a morsel. I think the restaurants that I've really enjoyed the most at Epcot are Le Cellier in Canada. Okay. I've never done that. Okay. It's a great setting.

Phenomenal food. And then the Mexico restaurant. Oh, yeah. I haven't sat down there. I've only done the bar yeah the bar is wonderful yeah yeah i mean you gotta like that's crud you gotta like get in and get out immediately yeah but still yeah drink it outside yeah yeah yes but like but as i've said before like like downing a margarita really fast like to try to time it till right when you jump on that boat right oh my god that's the greatest and it's a great atmosphere before the ride that's a lot of it's perfect it's a perfect place to walk around yeah the vibes in there are perfect yeah it's that escape like when you get on that ride you feel like you're in some little area in mexico

yeah you know you've got the people playing it's just 100 again it's something it's not like a roller coaster or anything it's just a vibe that is is pleasant yeah boy i love the way you do that i love the way you go there i love that it's about kind of like taking your time and it's hotel oriented uh um i'm trying to think anything else while like is any anything that you're like uh anything you that you would that hasn't been doing it for you that you want to change or like a it's something that they've closed that you're like or or or like any of these like recently announced things that you're particularly excited about i think um so cars land i think is one of the best creations that they have at either park and disneyland i

think cars land is phenomenal and i think dis think Disneyland you can tell how handcrafted it was it's the theming is incredible and I think the Mark Twain boat fits there you know because you have New Orleans it uh the Tom Sawyer Island's great the railroad the way it all works together so I totally get that and then in world it's a little bit more forced it doesn't quite have that the charm that um land does so i think what they're trying to do because with with land they expanded with the star wars world which is which is great you have everything right there yeah and i think they're worried with magic kingdom that nobody's really doing the mark twain boat because it doesn't really have the space and i think they know they can spice it up by doing cars there right right this is good this is being said without Jason here I

think Jason might be livid at any discussion that taking away the boat is a good thing but it's funny can any of us even name what which boat that is uh it's weirdly not Mark Twain right it's some weird other name yeah I don't know I can't remember what it is yeah yeah but you're so you're like you're maybe positive on this change happening that's interesting yeah i mean i again i love having the old school feeling it's a nice breather but when i so when i went to land i just saw how well done that was and how well it works for phantasmic at land yeah yeah because phantasmic in in world is at hollywood studios and it's in a whole amphitheater and it's really laid out it's got its corner but in land they work it into the, with the Peter Pan boat coming in.

So Land just has its fixture. But I think that area in World could, I don't think people will miss it within a year. I think once Cars Land is up and it's got a new vibe. I was surprised because I do love keeping the OG, i really think um world's a different magic kingdom it's a different beast than disneyland yes like it's just got the bigger castle it's just it's so i think it could use a little bit of innovation and i think if it's done right i think people will be happy with it wow that's a cool positive opinion to hear because i feel like i don't think we've like particularly weighed in either way i'm usually like the like the vlogger well i think disney online is like furious about the cars

land in the river and there's there's kind of the worst of it i think you'll see what this is gonna be like cars zooming by just right by so we have a bet by the we have a bet will you be able to hear engine noise from haunted mansion and disney world oh right right that's okay because it's gonna be right there oh right so we're like okay if they can block it out it's a success i forget who has the bet with what and who i don't remember who bet on what yeah yeah but i i am over the mind was made her farting maybe you will you be able to hear made her fart that assumes that made her farts anywhere because i don't think he doesn't in the existing radiator springs racers so or does he wait a minute somebody farts you because i don't think he doesn't in the existing radiator springs racers

so or does he wait a minute somebody farts you know when the when the big um the tractors yeah tractor tipping the tractors fart the tractor yes because my son's obsessed with this right now the yeah and you know what he was used to be very afraid of it and now he's now it's his favorite scene nice to know that uh kids can overcome these fears that's what the parks are all about but yeah i think i think people are like it's just gonna be like ham-fisted in there and they're just putting it in for merch and i'm i'm a little bit of the mind like let's see what imagineers can pull off and how they weave it all i think if they do it right i think it'll bring some excitement to that

area um because haunted mansion it's more of like an east coast theme it doesn't have the new orleans vibe so i think there's some theming there that they can work with. I will say I'm not sure about Rockin' Roller Coaster. I'm not sure how that becomes the Muppets. Yeah. Yes. Because just the vibe of Rockin' Roller Coaster next to Tower of Terror, it's got a nice feel to it.

So the Muppets, yeah, that'll be a little confusing i think i'm not sure how that's not my favorite choice it's we yeah it's interesting it's like the a lot of weight i think becomes on that pre-show on the former stephen tyler and leona douglas i think it's like to make that's gonna have to tie a lot together because i think you were saying like in the episode i wasn't on like how does it it's not a ride where you can like do too much. Like you're passing, you pass through like a big O, like it has to be so broad strokes.

So how do you get, Muppets are all about like details and small things. So how does that work? Yeah, I agree. There's a little skepticism. So that's tricky because it's an exciting like blasting ride and it works with the concert

and it works with Aosmith um you know if you look at splash mountain and then became tiana's that that theming you know it doesn't have a splash mountain had a had a villain and it had a goal but the theming with tiana still works it's still charming it still has a musical element to it like you don a lot of overlap. If you like that ride, I don't think you come away that discerned. But going from Aerosmith to the Muppets, I don't know.

How do you feel about Aerosmith? Are you going to miss Aerosmith? Because Mike's a big Aerosmith guy. I think you're... I don't think that's all... I don't think your feelings are 100% because you said Aerosmith's going away.

I think you have other concerns, but that seems like part of it, right? Well, it's part of it. It just, yeah, I don't, I can't, it's, the ride is so fast. It feels right. Yes. Like, I don't know. It could be like, I would honestly, if they said like it was going to be Metallica and

it's called like Ride the Lightning, I'd go, oh, okay, I guess. That'd be bad because Metallica's one of my favorite bands. Ah. Like something that's fast. Like literally the speed and rock and roll are my concerns. And I'm like, the Muppets are, other than animal, pretty gentle. Like it doesn't, I don't know. Because the feeling of the ride is so much for me.

It's crazy. Can You Picture That is a fast song. Yeah, but not really. I feel like what I like about rock and roll is those... I mean, that's not... Yeah, I'm just trying to think of anything. I'm not against the Muppets. I'm just saying.

I feel like somebody was saying, what, is it going to be like Rainbow Connection? Well, no. First of all, that's not a Dr. Teeth song. And second of all... But it's not going to be... I don't think it's going to be Dr. Teeth, and I don't even know that they're going to to muppet songs because it says other music they like

teased other music acts as well oh that's that's a little scary so it could be non-muppets it could be aerosmith songs sung by miss piggy and megan trainer that's what i said i guess joked but it might not be far off is that you'll have like six new muppet songs that could be other songs i am nervous given the the kind of performers who do the christmas specials now would you feel do you look are you into the christmas specials do you watch those like on abc to try to like get your disney christmas magic i haven't seen too many i did do the when i was at the parks i did do the mickey's christmas night and that is a really cool experience because they leave the lights on in Space Mountain. Oh, yes.

Yes. I want to do this so badly. Oh, yes. We never know. Yeah, yeah. It's just like- With Christmas lights. It's red and green.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really cool. I want to see this. Yes. And then another thing I was going to mention is on the Not So Scary Halloween Party, they have live actors, like on Pirates of the Caribbean, the pirates come alive. Oh, I didn't know that initially. Whoa.

You have ghosts, like people with the tombstones. Right. Which is a good one. But I have not, yeah, I haven't seen too many of the ABC specials. I did love Mickey's Christmas Carol

growing up years ago. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that one really holds up. My guy Billy Corgan now is back in, well, not back, now in the Disney family. He did the last Christmas special. So if you do a Billy Corgan now is back in the Disney family. He did the last Christmas special.

So if you do a Billy Corgan collaboration with one of the Muppets. You think maybe a Smashing Pumpkins is coming? That would be okay. I'm just saying, they've got the very aggressive songs. Of all the bands you talk about, I can certainly handle Smashing Pumpkins. And Tonight Tonight on a coaster would be pretty moving, right? That would be awesome, yeah. It'd be like going on the moon trip that they go on in the video.

That's maybe actually, fuck the Muppets. Let's Smashing Pumpkins on Rock and Roller Coaster. What I like about the Rock and Roller Coaster is the versatility of it. It's a cool fit. It's not something I would have guessed's like, it's a cool fit. It's like, not something I would have like guessed, but it's a really cool fit. And then the Monsters, Inc.

Yeah. I think could be unique in that area. Yeah. I think it's going to be good. It's just a bummer that what had to, what had to go to make it happen.

You mean Rock and Rollercoaster, not Monsters, Inc.? No, I mean, I mean the Muppets. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think the Monsters,

Inc. will be good to great. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not worried about that being good. Yes. Yeah, yeah. I think the Monsters, Inc. will be good to great. Yeah. I'm not worried about that being good. Yes. It's just like, yeah, couldn't you put it somewhere else? You ever been to the restaurant Pizza Rizzo? Yes.

Muppet, what do you think about – here's another big debate on the show that we don't – I won't even lead you to it because we haven't actually eaten the food there. Any opinions about Pizza Rizzo, which will presumably be going away uh with the muppet courtyard going away yeah i thought it was um i thought it was good i've did the ones that have stood out to me uh at hollywood studios um the sci-fi dine-in oh yeah yeah is the theme is awesome i haven't done that that place is great uh i know it's still there wow really i like until i think i realized that a year or two when we were doing the show i was like yeah it's still it's still there wow really i like until i think i realized that a year or two when we were doing the show i was like yeah it's still that's still there the roundup barbecue woody's roundup barbecue oh yeah surprisingly fantastic and then there's a another hack that

i think is great that a lot of i i found out about it recently but if you go to like brown derby which is like their nice kind of old hollywood school restaurant you can get a vip pass to watch phantasmic and sit in the front all you got to do is just go to one of those restaurants and have the receipt and you can go oh really phantasmic like vip seating geez this is good to have you in general because we are so disneyland oriented and i'm sure there's a lot of i'm sure there's listeners who are frustrated by like the giant swaths of things we've never talked about because you're naming restaurant after restaurant that I'm like ultimately I haven't I've only look I've only been to I've only been to Disney World way more than most people I know but still not enough to like we're missing out on a lot all these steakhouses and like yeah my god I'd like to

hear about them so much on the list that we have like a plan and when we go to do and then we do 20 of it it's busy it's so i'm also thinking we gotta go for two weeks we gotta do it like greg's been doing that's what i'm saying you just run out of time even i haven't tried like so many different things because you're like next time next time and then geez but at least you get to like build that list up uh forever here's what i'm thinking if we end up around the time of epic universe opening i'd like to make that a win instead of well i know there's been a few things happening in los angeles oh yeah i have a new little baby a lot's going on

jason's things yeah yeah so um what i'm hoping is by the time we get there that we will still be able to and some of it is confirmed be able to do rip ride rocket because i keep chickening out every time i go okay okay i want to do this shitty coaster that no one likes that hurts you that hurts me i will do it i hate the the thing i hate the way it goes up i will do it have you done are you a universal person are you mainly i've gone there several times yeah okay uh pizza rizzo i don't. There's been no announcement of closure, as far as I know, that we'll be able to do Pizza Rizzo, Muppets, One Last Time, and Jelly Rolls. Jelly Rolls supposedly closing as well. Now, just don't make me do it at the end of the night, because at the end of the night,

I need my little swan dolphin nap. And knowing that, I'm staying there next time. I'm sure of this. I've been dreaming of this for months. It's been a beacon. It's been my lighthouse during a very insane time of my life. So you got to really keep me on the hook because I might just drift to sleep. You know, if it's one Bon Jovi cover too many, I'm like, guys, I got Serenity ahead of me.

Yeah. Which if you had to hear one Bon Jovi cover, what song would you want? Oh, Runaway. I like Runaway. Okay. Yeah. Yes. That one I can. That's got a good that's got that like cool ladies um i what is on your list next time next

time you go what's strongest on your list either that you haven't done or that you're dying to do again so what's what's number one the next one is i want to eat at the moroccan restaurant in morocco oh god have i i've eaten at a Moroccan restaurant there. Is there only one or is there... There's two. There's the one that's on the water that's sort of like sit down, like pick up, like more snacky.

And then there's the Marrakesh, which is deep in Morocco. Okay, I have done that for lunch and I remember being pretty surprised at the quality. I thought that was pretty top notch, but I bet is dinner even nicer? Yeah, I think it's more like a sit-down. They do a different menu, and then there's a secret pop-up

where Aladdin and Jasmine will appear in the back room with these lit-up lanterns. Whoa. You know these hacks. Oh, my God. They do a secret photo thing, and it's really, really cool. Really? That's fun.

Yeah, so next up is the beach club. Okay. Oh, great. I'm going to cross that that one off That was my second trip of my life Such fond memory Might be my favorite could be my favorite Yes and that oh my god the shipwreck Yes How have we never done an episode

The shipwreck pool I'll be the least articulate I've ever been In my life And it goes all the way across the walkway Such a little kid energy And they have one of the coolest I'll be the least articulate I've ever been in my life. Just say, that's cool. And then you go outside and it goes all the way across the walkway. Such a little kid energy for me. And they have one of the coolest little like old school restaurants called Beaches and Cream. Yeah, yeah, of course. Which is a really good one. I haven't been.

Jason's very fond. I've been, yeah. Those signs also, the signage has never changed around. It is such late 80s perfection. Just like, that's what I love about Swan and Dolphins. It is 1988 forever. around it is such late 80s perfection just like that's what i love about swan and dolphins just like it is 1988 it's the way i saw it the first time i went to disney world like has not changed yeah and it's got the most like impactful you see those swans from so far away i was gonna ask you

guys is there a ride that you just like secretly avoid or like slightly afraid of or is like intimidated other than rip ride rocket um that you just hope doesn't come up i've yeah i don't i'm not dying to do like full centrifuge mission space yeah i don't like this i've never done that um i used to be such a win it's been a whole thing i used to be such a wimp about like maybe the group just won't want to go on splash mountain like the drop was too much for me at one point. And I'm happy to say now. Now I've done Tiana, Tiana coming.

It rolls off my back now. I'm fine on that now. But yeah, what? I'm sure there's a big one. I just haven't even. What about Everest? Oh, I love Everest. I loved Everest, but I'd be nervous getting on it again. It was maybe like 1% out of my comfort zone. In a good way. I mean, I loved Everest, but I'd be nervous getting on it again. It was maybe like 1% out of my comfort zone.

In a good way. I mean, I loved it, but I will be sitting in that chair again kind of with heart pounding. For sure. It's weird. It's like mine is like Goofy's Sky School or the Ferris wheel. Oh, Ferris wheel. I've never done the Ferris wheel. I haven't done the one that like

this the cars that slide and even i went in the regular one and like slow heights is kind of a weird thing for me so like when the goofy sky school is like it's on the edge low and on the edge like that starts making me go in a way that when you're going fast on a coaster it doesn't that's in the same way like um uh rip ride rocket going up like that which i've done it once at this the other similar coaster at knots that freaks me out like i just kind of panic a little bit on the way up so that's those are more of what i i get freaked out by yeah and i like i guess we have to do the swinging cars eventually you'll be okay i think you'll be okay you're gonna you can zen your way through that probably but i truly kind of had a little panic attack

doing the regular car i kind of disassociate like i disassociated for like maybe you wouldn't like that look you don't need to you owe this audience nothing you owe the show them everything oh well that's a but now i look bad that's a much better quote my body is theirs i put my life on the line wrap a gopro to me and i'll do it is there anything you avoid so i i was terrified of velocicoaster okay so every time i was there i'd be a group and like this is the best freaking ride oh my god you leave you leave your soul behind you got to do it and i kept thinking like every time it broke down and i'm like yes next time finally i had to face going on and i couldn't back out tried the whiskey thing okay

so i had i had that liquid courage going in it still terrified the hell out of me like you're going so fast and you are like out of your seat for part of it it's and so i'm like closing my eyes and like so i did it once and it still knocked me out so that's one that i'm like tentative on okay okay wow did it you still yeah oh that doesn't help me that doesn't help my cause i don't know i know i got it it's fast's fast. Like Tron is like 57 miles an hour. Tron is nothing compared to Velocicoaster. I know. I can tell it's not.

I can tell. Like Velocicoaster they said is like 75, but it feels like 30 miles an hour faster. I think about it. I love it. I did it three times last time. Really? Yeah. And it's like my favorite thing.

I couldn't stop talking about it for months after we did it. I was like, I kick me back to the Velocicoaster. I wish I could be like you and it doesn't affect me. It's crazy because I was I'm not such a crazy coaster guy, but for whatever like I felt like this euphoria came over me. It's a great ride. I mean, it's a great ride.

It just hits like. It's so smooth is the thing too. It is. Because like Hulk, I understand if you go, I'm on Hulk. And Hulk rattles your skull. I think I won't go, I'm on Hulk and Hulk rattles your skull. That sounds terrible to me. Hulk rattles your skull so thoroughly. Velocicoaster is fast, but it's smooth. You're like floating

the whole time. And I was just like laughing like a madman. You know what I think is one of the best rides at any of these parks is Hagrid's. Yeah, absolutely. That is a really that i can handle that's like right on that's and that's intense but that's an intensity i can do

and it doesn't do like the move you know we're not like we're there's there's not inversion it's that bit you know what it is the what are they because they call it the top hat on velocico i'm so scared of the top hat i don't know if i can do the top you won't fear i just i i don't fear anything while i'm on the velocicoaster for some strange reason. And I fear everything in my regular life. Yeah, I was going to say. Right. All your fears go away?

That for me, I fear everything 24-7 except when I'm on Velocicoaster. I love how you can do the toughest ride and be like, oh, for whatever reason. Yeah, you're routed in an interesting way. I sure am. Listeners of this show know that you've been listening long enough yeah yeah for a while i avoided space mountain um in orlando i don't know why like as a kid my first time going i could go on it back to back to back yeah and then one of those times i just felt kind of like shaken um which luckily went away, but I will say the Space Mountain at Land

I think is a better ride. Well, it also feels rickety in Florida. It feels old and similar to the Matterhorn out here. It feels like a 70s religious girl. So I think in that way it's charming and you feel like the old school

Disneyland, but the last time I went on the Matterhorn, I mean, it's a rough ride, but I was like joking with my friend and like the way I leaned up the bar hit my knee. Oh, yeah. And I was like blinding pain. I was like, take a break from Matterhorn.

Yeah, I might be done with Matterhorn. I'm not done. Until they do something. Yeah, I don't need, it doesn't give me anything that outweighs the bad stuff. yeah the only thing they're gonna do is implode it like there's no way that they're gonna fix the problem it's impossible to fix the problems with this okay because i feel like constructed i do love how disneyland stays authentic to a lot the best way that it can but matter and i know there's a better ride that could be in there sure

yeah but you're right on everest so we know like the next level yeah they got to rebuild it though that's the thing and supposedly somebody i've said this on the show before is a fact i read that they need to rebuild it within 25 years just because it is falling apart the structure is falling apart so like they will have to do something to it within let's say 20 25 years unless there's a horrible day where the matterhorn topples over it's possible just tips oh yeah oh we would all we all have children and all of us our inner children would all weep well but maybe if people were under they could catch it and they could push it back up save it heroically right when you guys go to world what are you excited because you guys are you guys go to World, what are you excited? Because you guys go to land frequently.

What are you excited to see? What are you excited to like? Oh, I mean, it is like Disney World is becoming like me trying to tap into the 90s a lot, which is why it's like mundane stuff like People Mover and Country Bears. That Sunny Eclipse hasn't changed. I love that you knew sunny eclipse was yeah we're big sunny eclipses yeah going on the monorail hanging in the polynesian lobby it's a lot of like nostalgia just walking around contemporary yeah yeah but then other hotel stuff that i

haven't done because we didn't get much of a chance to do that last trip yeah so like some other yeah going to some other hotels hoopty do review i've never done and i meant to do that last time and that's still on the list for sure yeah and that's been going forever but it's nice to have guardians now as a like that's not nostalgia that is a current cutting edge thing that kicks ass that's like you know because you start to fear that like is universal getting the upper hand and disney isn't like producing sure at the the volume that uh that universal is but uh but guardians is you were the one that made me go back and get back into guardians because i did it the first time kind of made me uncomfortable and i was like huge into

tron and you're like no guardians number one tron two and i'm like oh i was like okay let me go back and give it a shot and i went back i got conga oh great yeah that really did it for me for whatever reason so i have my favorite song in the world i just like i don't know it's made for that ride yeah yeah it really works for me yeah and i caught it and i'm like okay i get i get what he's saying wow oh great i'm glad i was part of that i let the fear like the fear go and i just and it was like okay now it's a brilliant it's a brilliant fantastic and i like your whiskey plan that that's good stuff. I feel like we should wind it down.

I'm so happy you've talked to us for so long here and just to get to talk Disney with you after talking Room with you. The thing that's echoing in my head, really, to tie it all together is just that I wish the great movie ride was still there and that they would do some kind of redo and acknowledge one of the most prominent films,

I feel, of the 21st century. if only there was a room sequence in the great movie right that i think it deserves it very badly yeah um i think i think there's a number i think you could it could be all animatronics but also you know it could be one of the things where the the gangster or the cowboy get on the car with i think if i think if chris r got in the car with you and threatened you like asked for your money the guests money i like that yeah yeah i think that's that's as strong as old west bandits and it's it's funny you say that because i was on i was at the man's chinese there where it's now mickey's run away yeah yeah yeah and i was in line with my family and um these two guys come up and they're like greg sestero wow oh my god we get a photo and i just thought to myself like 12 year old me would saw this would be like holy crap oh man i had no idea

like what what what did you do i was like you can't see that movie yet. You gotta be 18. Yeah, I know. It pains me that I like, you know, like we've talked about, Aaron, my wife and I,

we were both like at those screenings together. And then we started dating after that. And now we've made two children together. And we're like, oh, it'd be great to like share a movie that helped us get together. No, maybe not till you're, no,

maybe I, maybe there'll never be an age where I want to watch the very awkward sex scenes in this film with our sons. But we'll see. We'll see how time goes. Yeah, they'll find it eventually. But that was the fact that you've told this story now of like arriving in Hollywood with a dream to go live in a weird apartment and your key doesn't work. And you got to go to a Sunset Boulevard shady motel. And now you're at Man's Chinese Theater, the fake version in Florida.

And you are the star being recognized. This is a beautiful, what a roller coaster ride, pun intended. That's beautiful. Well, look, thank you for talking with us for a long time. Thank you for pushing the room into existence. Yeah. I'm so, and I,

you know, and clearly you must be at this point that like, look, the joy I've gotten from it, the joy, clearly the joy you've gotten from it, traveling the world and this Disney world existence. It's just so like,

it's been a beacon of joy for me, like the goddamn Disney parks are. Yeah. And I hope it's the same for you. I mean, it really gave us like so much in such a weird way. That's, I mean, it's what you'd hope,

you know, if you made Back to the Future, a movie that classically worked, you know, it's somehow roundabout, hit a home run in the opposite direction. But to the degree where like every moment of Back to the Future works, every moment in the room doesn't work, but in a way that I want to experience again and again. It's really, it just, it delivers.

I think, I mean, it shows with you. And I think with my experience is like, if you have the right mindset, you can turn any situation into something that will work for the best i think that's what you had the sense of humor to like give this crazy trailer that you saw a shot and like root for something that didn't make didn't work or nobody else got at the time he called to me like he called to you in in reality yeah it's one of there was there's just something i guess i chased what you were chasing in this weird other way yeah hearing your story yeah more today than ever I really feel like something out there, there's a cinematic god that like dots connect and like Tinkerbell put some dust out there

and you grabbed it and were like, I'm in. Oh, geez. I'm happy to have helped. To be part of the story at all is an honor and I'm glad you're part of the podcast, the ride story. Greg Sestero, you survived podcast, the ride.

This was a blast. So happy to have you let's exit through the gift shop is there anything you would like to plug um so i am i am gonna make home alone oh austin disney world it'll be a right it'll be a animated graphic novel wow wow i'm gonna hope to do something with that whether it's like an animated movie or something with it to bring it into existence for my passion for movies and for disney and then i'm making a ufo abduction movie that i'm that i'm writing and directing called forbidden sky wow wow fantastic geez geez uh that's so exciting and

that like that you're like writing side got lit up and you're doing you're doing all these great things with it uh also i mean i gotta recommend the disaster artist pick it up if uh if you see it go buy it online or just like grab it at a bookstore there was the coolest thing for me ever to be like that i could go to a bookstore find that wow great book about the movie and then there's a picture of me in the book in so many barns and nobles there's a photo of me i uh like just just fantastic uh disaster artist uh the book's wonderful. Your shows, how do people, if people want to see you in their town because you do a lot of touring,

how do they keep track of that stuff? So on social media, I'm at Greg Sestero on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter. Great, great. Yeah, well, go see Greg if he comes to a town near you. As for us, for three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast The Ride The Second Gate or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier Club 3.

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