Podcast: The Ride - Peter Pan's Flight with Dani Fernandez

Episode Date: March 27, 2020

Dani Fernandez (Nerdificent, Ralph Breaks The Internet) joins us to discuss the boy who never grew up and his attraction with a very long line.  Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: http://foreverdogpodcasts.com/plus Papa Steve Episode up at The Second Gate: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forever Dog! on Podcast the Ride. Welcome to Podcast the Ride, the theme park podcast hosted by three boys who would not make good members of Peter Pan's gang because they're deathly afraid of getting lost. My name is Mike Carlson. Joining me as always, Jason Sheridan. Yeah, I like to usually know my whereabouts. I told you once that I usually know where the ocean and the mountain is, wherever I am. Is that really a thing? Well, that's how I learned how to navigate LA, of like the mountains are that way. Okay, ocean is that way, downtown is that way.

Do you have a sense, like if I placed you anywhere in Los Angeles, you just have a sense of where it is? Or do you always just check your phone? Yeah, I kind of have a sense. That's Scott Gairdner. There's places, though, where you can't see an ocean or a mountain. Many places. No, I can't. Just more of a general set. Not like special forces, I think.

You're supposed to know when you're in a room, you're supposed to have an internal compass to know which way is stuff. As do you if you're trying a new donut place and you're not sure where it is on a map it's helpful to get yeah be able to get back there by sense memory uh well let's bring our guest in to see if she knows where a nearby mountain or ocean is uh she's an actress she's a writer a podcaster you know her from her podcast nerdificent ladies and gentlemen it's danny fernandez yay um i actually don't have great sense but i feel like I would know where I am in this town.

Yeah. Yeah. Like if you drop me off at like Sunset and Gower, I would be like, oh, this is Sunset and Gower. Sure. You're in Gower Gulch, which amazingly has not come up on this show despite being a themed environment. Yeah.

So we talk a lot about like malls and themed stuff. And that's like one of the prime themed malls. Oh, yeah a little old west town is what it is yeah there's a denny's in the parking lot yes oh my gosh it's not the best denny's i've ever been to no not but always hop in yes hop in i will give it yeah yeah uh do y'all talk about the Burbank mall then? The Burbank town center? It's certainly come up. It's come up. Um, do you, do you have particular thoughts and observations? Well, I think that there's like a top floor that's nothing now. I find that so fascinating.

Yeah. I don't think any, anyone goes up there. Oh, you mean the whole, the entire top floor? Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's that, there's the movie theater. Uh, that must be why. The Burbank area has three AMCs, and two of them are AMC 6 and AMC 8.

It is impossible to remember which one is where. I think it's 8. Oddly, the bigger one is in the mall. 8? Well, there's 8, 6, and 16. And I'm not kidding you, listener. They're all within walking distance. They are all within walking distance. They are all within walking distance.

And the empty thing is, the emptiness, I think, comes from the fact that the food court moved from the third floor to the first floor. A phenomenon I've never seen at any other shopping mall. We have not done a ton of deep dive Burbank Mall yet. We will get there. Okay. But Burbank Mall, it's going away a little bit, but burbank mall has some of the best fake stores i've ever seen like a store that just sells fake plants and like a big uh glass tiger and you're what like and there's a there were a couple of those at a certain point

a couple different stores that you could buy a fake plant and a big glass tiger i'll see some of those on wilshire i'm like how do you have this prime real estate and like you're closed most of the time. And like when you open, you're just selling like three chandeliers. Like I don't, I want to understand. Yeah. I, that is one of the things, if I was a ball, if I was like a Larry David type, I would wander in and go, how do you make money? Explain it to me. Can I see a business plan? Can I see how much a day you make? Like there's a video game store in the Burbank mall. It's not GameStop. It looks like a fake. No, it's make like there's a video game store in the burbank mall that's not gamestop it looks like a fake no it's true it's a knockoff gamestop yeah and it looks all like the logo looks cheap inside they have very little stock of anything kind of dark in

there it's very dark in there it's a front that's what i'm getting there there's a lot there's it's a real mystery place because like there's a store that has like a lot of uh imported stuff a lot of pocky and stuff like toteros and and then there is a second store that has pocky and stuff toteros it's like well now wait a minute hold on this mall isn't that big that there are two of these it's a fascinating mall it's one of the most interesting malls this burbank mall specifically yeah i don't just well i think another reason why it's so ghostly uh and same with because i went to high school in in dallas and like some of our malls are shutting down there and like is because of amazon i hope i think or highland okay one of those north park's the super fancy one i spent a

lot of time there on a dallas trip i loved it i'm so sorry to alert you of this one of those. North Park's the super fancy one. I spent a lot of time there on a Dallas trip. I loved it. I'm so sorry to alert you of this. One of those is shutting down. But I think it's because of Amazon. Because everyone's just online shopping and stuff. It's funny to me whenever something that started online actually becomes a store, though. So in the Burbank Mall, they have Fashion Nova. And Fashion Nova was huge because Cardi B's always wearing it and stuff. And they actually got so big

that they opened an actual store. So it's one of the few like physical locations of it. I have seen that. What's a Fashion Nova? What is a Fashion Nova? It's like Forever 21, but like slightly sluttier and more just like, you clearly want to look like you're in a music video.

I shop there a lot. Sure. Not kidding. I haven't do they have men's clothes of fashion of it no they have a couple they have a little bit okay because i recently started shopping at forever 21 yeah really because they have yeah they have a lot of it's not it's nothing crazy it's you know i don't think i knew they had male clothing yeah i mean i have a sweatshirt with roses on it i got from there so i'm you know i'm doing it now believe me when i say i'm not trying to segue and get us back to the topic but

forever 21 is a perfect uh yeah it is yeah and for we're never growing up um yeah you're right forever 12 forever 12 that's where the lost boys would show. That's where you buy raccoon suits. That has to be Peter Pan. In my mind, he hasn't hit puberty yet, right? Yeah, that's a good question. I feel like he's starting it. He's still a little late comer. I think he's tall.

He's at the growth spurt, but not the rest of the puberty, maybe. He's at Wendy, because Wendy's right on the line. They both are yeah yeah so so changes are happening but all of the changes aren't happening maybe well they were happening and now i think they're frozen for him yeah can you believe that you're just in puberty forever yeah i really hadn't thought about the nightmare that that is for peter but he's like an eighth grader with an army of fifth graders. All in like, yeah, fast fashion animal skins. Fashion Nova style.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It didn't cost that many Neverland bucks. If this gets messed up in one of the endless pirate fights you have to, that is your life. It's okay. And we all know how when you graduate a school if you go to middle school and then go back to your elementary school or your or your you get to college you go back to high school everyone worships you and follows you around it's not like people think that's weird and you should get out of the school as soon as you've arrived for sure peter would have an army of little ones at his

disposal yeah it's uh all of these things really uh take the fun out of peter pan don't they this is really i mean like thinking about it at all yeah analyzing it for a second like that's a real bummer isn't it well you know i mean what takes the fun out of peter pan is uh is watching it like i think we i think we all have to hold on to memories of what it is and not actually view the film because i i did i know jason did and i did in preparation you inspired me to do it today as well and i think it is a film best unwatched it's problematic yeah yeah. Yeah. The ride is the perfect amount of Peter Pan. There is a reason this ride is incredibly popular. Like shot lines, like pushing our weight lines sometimes.

And it doesn't have a fast, it's like the one of the ones that doesn't have a fast pass, right? Right. So it's like you have to, if you you love this ride you have to stick it out and like it's wild because in fantasy land which is largely for you know i think of like the kiddie right the what the rides that kids can actually go on because like my niece and f you can't go on space mountain uh yet it's insane that it's an hour wait always i i haven't said this a lot on the show but like if you're getting to one of the magic kingdom style parks at opening or staying until closing this is i think the ride more so than like a space mountain like a space mountain like you can give it a couple hours and it'll

still kind of have a manageable wait but this the weight gets so quick so fast. It's a line that gives you almost nothing. You are just back and forth and back and forth. It is a very old school line. I know in Florida, there's more. There's a room that you go in and you do little interactive displays with shadows and stuff. Florida's queue, watching the video of the current queue in Florida is shocking because it's like a full nursery with shadows and pixie dust.

It seems fun. Yeah, but this one, this is, you know, obviously this is an opening day of Treasures in 1955, and it's a very 1955 style line. They had not come up with any ideas of how to make a line. It's the Matterhorn line. They're the same. with any ideas of how to make a line interesting. It's the Matterhorn line. They're the same. Yeah. That is also very boring. There is not much going on there. It's just open. There's nothing to do.

You go one way and you go the other way and you hear a type of music that isn't, it's not specifically annoying, but I would never choose to put on Swiss Alp music. Which serious will I put on today? Sounds of the Alps. Is there any updated Swiss Alps music?

Like a Diplo-produced Swiss Alps album? There's gotta be. Is there a Grammy category that I'm not aware of? Right. There's a thriving scene. Because you look real dumb if there is now. I would never listen to Swiss Alps music, but then the kids will be like, you know, there's a,

I was going to say Deadmau5, which just made me look dumb. Wow. There's a newer, there's got to be a newer DJ reference. If you're trying to stay forever 21, you got to update the references. I blew this whole fell apart for me. Have you guys heard that rave, the Haunted Mansion one, but it's like rave style? Have you listened to that?

Oh my gosh, I haven't. I want to. Do you want me to play it for you? What is the artist of this? I'll have to find it, but it would be great if they did all of the Disney rides as opposed to just... We've talked about this album called Deconstructed. Yes. That is all kind of electro remixes of Disney songs.

What else is on there? Winnie the Pooh. Winnie the Pooh. Oh, that sounds like fun. Yeah. There's an Annette Funicello song, Pineapple Princess. It's an old Sherman Brothers song, and they've remixed the hell out of it, and it's so unpleasant. The original was like a fun ukulele song, and now it's just this unlistenable club mix.

Strange. And I don't think I'm being old man about it. It really is unpleasant. I'll just find it while we're talking. I think they had to change the name. It can't be like Haunted Mansion, so I don't even know what it is in my Spotify. It's probably like Spooky House.

Right. Cobweb place um i mean this this movie has some recognizable song uh oh yeah and then there was a song uh when i was watching it i went like you know like the one i think you can leave sketch like this can't be what this is and then it was it was a long song called what what does that have to do with i think usually i was just watching like this song start and i went this can't be what this is like it's just a it's a i guess you probably shouldn't even say the name of the song at this point i wouldn't mind not saying yeah it's a it's you forget all of the weird portrayals

of Native Americans, essentially, is what you're saying. Or Native Neverland. Even though... Well, yeah, you're right. It's not Native. Oh, wait. Is that the song that's in there?

That is not in the ride. It's not in the ride. Not in the ride. Oh, you mean in the movie. Rewatching the movie, going to Disney Plus and watching this. And I don't know. Maybe there was one of those like

a product of its time warnings uh and i was looking away but i was shocked by this one there is a there is a warning that comes up when you press play but the warning they do not do the bizarre phrase they've done uh contains outdated cultural dep, which is on a lot of movies. There is only contains tobacco depictions. Oh, really? Not the other? And they don't, but these things are happening in the same scene, so it's almost like they got distracted. Like, okay, this is a

tobacco scene. And they forgot. I was going to say, did somebody forget? It's not like there's much of an effort to add a couple words into a warning. Also, do they have that in The Great Mouse Detective? Because, like, he's smoking a pipe and stuff, right? Like, is there not supposed to be smoking at all? Yeah, probably. That's interesting.

Yeah, I would assume that would be. You guys, I'm here for the deep dives. Yeah. Bedknobs and broomsticks, actually. They're smoking constantly in bedknobs and broomsticks. Those knobs are bongs. The children are ripping bong hits in bed knobs and broomsticks. Are you a big Disney head in that case?

Yes, grew up just like obsessed with Disney. In fact, my brothers actually hid the Lion King VHS for me because I played it too much. They like hid it under the couch you were gonna like destroy it was that the fear like you were gonna like it was gonna turn to dust they were annoyed oh they didn't want to see it anymore yeah okay i played it way too much we were one of those i don't know if y'all did this but like with our vhs's if we like something we just played it again and again and again so that's how i know the mask like uh word for word you know and it was like whatever my parents gave us so it's like that's kind of what you latch on to it doesn't even matter if it's good although i think that movie is sure um

the repetition and that these kids the kids now don't have to uh wait for the tape to be rewound. They can just scroll immediately back. The hassle that it was to rewatch a favorite scene. You had to wait an entire, what, two and a half minutes. Yeah. Boy, our childhoods were rough. Yeah. Was Lion King your favorite of all of them? Yeah, but then, I don't know, it's kind of like changed.

So I really, really, well, I'm always a big fan of a goofy movie. Like that was so, and now it's kind of had a resurgence, but for the longest time, people would be like, what? Like an extremely goofy movie? I'm like, no, it's not the same. Listen, there's like, you have to listen to the Powerline songs. And I'm just like such a big fan of a goofy movie. And now like Target realized that and like capitalized on the nostalgia and now you can

get like Powerline there which is chill what happened there why was that like the cult Disney movie and then they figured it out why was there this syndrome and how like because it very much felt like no one else was watching it or there was only one person in every school

who was watching and now everybody found each other in LA and such. Well, they've all gone into the arts. Every single one of them. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's also because it's not like traditional Disney movies have like a princess or a, you know what I mean? It's like some type of magical fantasy. And this was like just a teen kid that hated his dad.

If you look back at it when I watch it, you're like oh my god you're such an ass to your dad like he just wants to spend time with you yes um i still love max but uh yeah and and i think goofy's kind of like as much as he's iconic he's kind of like one of the side people as opposed to like mickey and minnie and dot like yeah i think of goofy as like no one's fave i don't know i'm sorry it's definitely someone's fave yeah don't know i'm sorry it's definitely someone's fave it's a kid he was my fave for sure but he's also like a sort of a side character in that movie oh totally it's sort of he's just like a i was just calling goofy like literally but he's just like a dopey like dad he's just trying he's there to embarrass his son yeah the movie is

really i think it also hit for a lot of us at the same time when Max was, we're talking about puberty. It's like a puberty movie too. Yeah. It's like, that's also, I think a lot of us saw it during that point and was like relatable. And a reverse of the dynamic that starts off Peter Pan, because Mr. Darling hates his fucking kids. That was another thing watching this where I was like wow this guy really hates his kids like

between this and mary poppins like british fiction like british young people's fiction is just filled with like you know okay so first off your dad hates you obviously yeah i think that was around but really normal too back then to kind of like just the dad is like allowed to be like that because he makes all the money and just like shoving the kids off. And right. Yeah. Yeah. Dads liking their children was new past the 30s and in America. I did British British dads, I think, didn't start liking their kids still maybe this century.

It was like like 2003 or so. It was an awakening. Yeah, among all British stuff. I wanted to say I found the thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's it. Isn't that dope? That is good.

That's fun. It really breaks down, though. Oh, yeah, the bells come in. Yeah, that's good. Does it have a dubstep middle, maybe? Oh, yeah, just just wait it's about to kick into stuff man oh man i'm ready to go i'm ready to party one two three one it like gears up even more okay so anyways what's the artist there okay so it is haunted mansion i don't know why it didn't come up for me it's spooky scary skeletons spooky scary skeletons okay artists spooky scary skeletons well i'm sorry that's

what comes up on spotify no i love it i want to know if they have more music it might be the album but that's what's coming up on there does spooky scary skeletons have just like regular love ballads and other types of music like fun, bouncy, just songs about driving. Yeah, like Beach Boys style songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they do beach and car songs. But you could do the Peter Pan one. Like, think of a happiest. Yeah, I don't know.

I should look up to see if they have. I don't think they have that on the Deconstructed. But yeah, it's music wise. I always forget, other than that little first flourish when you're leaving the bedroom i don't i don't think of it as a song's movie in general uh but it is it is the leader was a lot of stuff that was a big like sing-along songs but they're like the b-side that that they're clearly the second and third single you would know exactly what it was when you heard it though

yes yes yeah yeah it is interesting though am i wrong in thinking those songs don't have the like oh like you don't think of them as much as in the disney like the top would you think of them in top 10 disney songs no no no you can fly maybe maybe. Maybe. That one gets the closest. But almost all of the movies really only have one big hit. Except Hercules. I was going to say that was the other thing. Hercules is so good. I was big Hercules kid too. It's like Go the Distance.

Zero to Hero, Go the Distance. Meg's song. What is her song? Oh, yeah. I hadn't thought about that song in a long time. The one about that she hates men, which I love. Zero to Hero. A Star is Born.

I mean, I could. Oh, they're so good. Yeah. Yeah, actually. Yeah, those are all pretty like tied. Do we like. Sorry, also Mulan. Actually, all of them.

Mulan has Make a Man Out of you and bring honor to us all reflections and shoot what's the one the other one I can't think a girl worth fighting for I just can't get you list the other ones but I'm just stuck in

to defeat the Huns the most clear like the whitest guy obviously Donny Osmond guy the huns the most clear like the whitest guy obviously Donny Osmond guy done survive wait is that Donny Osmond Donny Osmond is the singing voice

that never I don't think I ever knew that yeah he could not be more pronounced I've ever met he like really hits every consonant and he's doing it in the live action one too he'll be back yeah it cuts to a 65 year old like a great wall like a matty even sort of thing what i find so fascinating is that danny elfman did the singing voice of jack

uh for nightmare for christmas why didn't you just do the regular voice too because who did the regular voice i don't have it at my disposal yeah who is that but, why didn't you just do the regular voice too? Because who does the regular voice? I don't have it at my disposal. Yeah, who is that? Who is that voice? But like, why wouldn't he just also, he sounds so much like, the singing voice sounds just like him.

For sure, yeah. And the songs are a little like talk singing a lot. So, you know. I'm Jack, you know, like that. Like he's just so into it. He's listed as the voice. Oh, no, I thought he was just a singing voice oh wait no i'm so sorry it's chris sarandon chris sarandon i read it wrong related to sarandon i believe so why don't chris sarandon is chris to bring up percules again he's

in the tate donovan category so some of these people are like not that well known outside of these voice unless i'm forget it what is the big chris sarandon what's the top chris sarandon oh he was married to susan sarandon hmm so that's how she became a sarandon right why she's sarandon however she clearly took over that last name it is a lot more so yeah she really commandeered it good job susan can you imagine giving your last name to someone and then they like take it over? And I assume they're divorced, right? Yeah, yeah, for a long time.

So she like just took it and ran with it. That is like kind of like a badass move, isn't it? Yeah. Like who wins the divorce? Who wins the divorce? When Susan wins by like vastly overshadowing him yeah career-wise and if now I don't know this but were he a conservative man he now he must be that would be the ultimate furious yes Sarandon is associated with these left-wing values and she went on to play Betty Davison he's much more of a

Joan Crawford fella the old that's the ultimate that's the uh his it says he's known for fright night dog day afternoon uh the princess bride oh yeah that's right he's a prince and a print and the princess bro oh well and uh child's play so sorry also to all of the chris sarandon heads who are screaming at us as they listen to this. I don't want to insult anyone. No. We're not controversial. From Tate Donovan to Goofy. Yeah.

Sorry. The great leading men out there. My friend was Goofy in their college program that they have where you can get college credit and go work at Disney World or whatever. Yeah. A taller- Yeah, he had to be taller. How'd that go for him?

Did he like that? I think he did yeah i think he liked being goofy i do find it fascinating that they can't really interact with like bad kids you know like they just have to put up with it oh yeah yeah yeah they can't like their rules that's why some of them also don't talk like they have isn't that like um the star wars people don't actually talk right they have the stormtroopers or do they well yeah people there's a debate i feel like there's the same kind of lines they say so there's some mechanism by which they play a recorded that's what i figured that's what it seems like to me some people have disputed that but that's my reading of it if you're a cast member dm us yes

yeah i am curious yeah because they don't they go like hey you in the blue shirt it's all it's pretty it's generic yeah like they have stuff for kids i think like you little jedi you won't defeat me like but it's never like blonde haired little girl it's never that specific well oh yeah but the costume ones they don't talk yeah goofy and minnie and mic costume ones, they don't talk. Yeah, Goofy and Minnie and Mickey and those, they don't. They just like hand gestures and crap. There's a talking Mickey head that they have retired. They retired it? For now, at least.

It was malfunctioning too much. I don't know what it was doing, but I saw it. It talked to us. I was so excited when we went to Florida, when Lindsay and I went to Florida. Because it was like, you meet Mickey in the magic, his dressing room before his magic show, which is bizarre now that I'm saying it out loud. Mickey's about to do a magic show. You know, he's a magician.

He's a man who does a mouse who does a lot of different things. And then you meet him in the dressing room before his show. It's before the show? I think. Because you didn't see his show. So why are you just going backstage to see him? I don't like to see anyone before a show. It's before the show? I think. Because you didn't see his show, so why are you just going backstage to see him? I don't like to see anyone before a show.

I do not like the audience to see me. Oh, too much. I don't want to stress Mickey out. He's going to blow all the tricks. But then there were multiple rooms because it was just a meet and greet, and there would be only like one room with a working head. So when Lindsay and I went to Florida, I was like, we've got to go meet the room with a working head. So Lindsay and I went

to Florida. I was like, we got to go meet the Mickey with the talking head. So we went in there and they bring us into one of the rooms and you can see the other rooms. They don't want you to know, of course, there's multiple Mickey. So we went into one of the rooms and he didn't talk. And I was deflated and confused. And we went to City Hall so I could complain. And they were like, well, Mickey isn't always feeling so talkative. He's not always like, because they wouldn't just say. Pre-show process.

I get it. They wouldn't say it because they can't advertise that he talks, but I knew it because I was looking at YouTube videos. And then they're like, just go in and you can maybe ask if Mickey's feeling talkative today.

So I had to go and do like a weird secret, secret like, is Mickey feeling talkative today? And they're like, maybe. You're a grown ass man. Like, it's so weird.

That's like a, something they would tell a child. Yes. Like, why wouldn't they just say like, oh no, I think it's out today. Like,

you know what I mean? The jaw is not working. Why wouldn't it just be adult to adult? It's so weird. They gave you an answer that they would give a five year old. Well, it is an adult who made a trip to City Hall to complain about this issue. So this breeze past that.

Anyway, I'm sure this won't come back. I'm going to finish the story. I know, but he's a grown-ass man who's paid his hard-earned dollar to see Mickey say, like, thanks for coming to my magic show. Speaking of rides and going to City city hall my dad actually lost his keys on uh indiana jones at closing oh no oh my god yeah and they found them i have no idea how i think like because they had to turn on all the lights they actually found it like pretty quickly but it was and we didn't realize until it was a mass exodus everybody was leaving and i was like

11 trying to find my dad and he was like oh crap and he like ran off towards indiana jones and had to run after him he's not the best dad um but they like turned on all the lights and found it which if y'all listeners know indiana jones is like the bumpiest ride darkest like it's insane to even imagine losing something in it yeah i would assume maybe like you know if it was on the ride? The ride vehicle, obviously, the easiest, but if it got lost in the snakes, that would be harder to find, I imagine. I don't, yeah.

Especially if it was a snake-patterned keychain. Keychain, yeah. So, yeah, I left the recorder. Remember I left an audio recorder the day that Star Wars opened? I left it on the ride. Which almost blew our big interview with Lentesta. Yeah.

We had a big interview set up with theme park podcaster Lentesta that day, and it would have been ruined if I had left this. But they found it quickly. So there must be – I'm assuming that these people just know very fast. Because they also – other rides they shut down. Other rides they shut down if stuff falls immediately. Did you put it in the pouch? Is that where it was?

I think it was in my pocket, and I was worried because I had bought that Rex up there, and I had it on the ride, and I was too preoccupied with Rex to make sure he didn't get hurt. We both had giant Rex boxes on our laps on the bumpiest ride. Surely we have to go on this ride. Yeah. There's no other way. I was like, well, they'll let us just hold it with at the exit and they were like no put it on the ride with you it'll be fine and i was so nervous do you have

rides anyone that you were the most nervous about losing things on because i i'll put on space mountain i put things in the pouch but then still and i'll leave like keys or wallet and then still i find myself the whole ride then like shoving hands in for extra it still just feels precarious to me yeah i that one i agree uh on i'm trying to think the worst i'm sure i said this already there's a ride at knots called hang time where you go up 90 degrees and you're supposed to take your stuff out of your pockets and i didn't like a fucking idiot and i had my phone in my back pocket oh my god because i thought it would be better which is also the dumbest thing you could possibly do it's much better for what's here and i could

just put my hand in my pocket to hold it it's like so i'm like trying to like put my weight i'm distributing my weight as i'm 90 degrees and And that was by far the most stressful, like, I hope I don't lose something. Well, we, and you're talking about knots. When we did that wooden coaster ghost rider, I thought my glasses were going to fly off my head. Which usually on wooden roller coasters, I can leave them on and it's fine. But like, it was the most bumpy, maybe ride I've ever been on. And I am like holding this this holding them onto the sides of my head because i like yeah just didn't want to lose them yeah it's weird drive back to la it's

weird that doesn't happen more i guess it's just like like normal force just everything stays put for the most part but it does feel like how would that not happen once a ride you hit in the face with someone's keys yeah i have been on space mountain a few times where someone has held up their giant ass android phone to videotape it dumb and they uh at least once someone has gone oh it's really dark in there and it's like yeah no shit i swear it got darker though because i think when i was younger they had a little bit more. Do y'all remember that? Wasn't there more lights or more stars or something?

I think the star lights are, you know. They just completely turned everything out. I think they got to replace them soon. It's really dim. Yeah. Yeah, I think you might be right. Yeah. It does feel like the whole thing about Space Mountain is when you get up there, you're

supposed to be like, oh, my goodness, the majesty of space. And space and then you're like oh all the stars look pretty dim yeah they are yeah and they're all barely see them yeah and then there's like a giant asteroid in there but it's not lit up and if you look sort of to your left when you're coming up it's there but it's not lit so i don't know if they were like they're like worried it's going to break the illusion that you're in space but they do that with the star wars overlay so i don't know also somebody tell us that we know a gentleman who works around space mountain that's all i'll say yeah he wants to tweet at us and let us know about the dimness the dimness and if it's always been like that or that's just our memory he knows who he is well i also wanted to say i watched so on the imagineering i don't know if y'all watched any of that yeah episode five is where they talk about peter pan okay and uh for

anyone that wants to learn more about the ride as well and i guess that they so when they put the water in like a duck family found their way into there and they said like a mom and her ducklings and they like pooped everywhere and then i started to think like oh my god like does that happen in pirates or like i'm just really concerned for the animals that like you're not like there's just not random ducks that find their way into the water yeah how do you how do you make sure that that doesn't happen yeah it seems like with pirates it's a little more tucked away i guess like well it's not really i mean i guess you could get a duck could easily fly into pirates. Pretty much any ride.

Yeah. That's interesting. I wonder, I feel like I've never seen a real animal on pirates. Oh, no. And not like deep. But definitely at the park. All the way in, like deep into the ride. That would be really weird.

But yeah, you would think, does Disney have a system for like keeping a bird from flying into Space Mountain and making a nest? I know. And Fabio-ing us in the dark. Have you seen that new story? Yes, where he killed a bird with his face. Yeah. His face was so beautiful, it killed the bird.

It died before it hit him. The bird had a heart attack from the beauty. The glow. We've also promised we're going to do a full episode on that incident oh yeah that's i was trying to remember what episode k idea came out of the other roller coaster where a bird got demolished that's right fabio coming soon yeah yes please let's do that so yeah that's a good question i'm sure they have all these different things in there's like secret like ways that

snipers yes to take the animal out um uh yeah you're right that is that is a fun little snippet of the imagineering story and it shows you it kind of goes behind the scenes in the like the the little redos they've done the plus ups they've done into peter pan recently which are very delightful i think we can all agree yeah so because they've done a couple different big updates of the ride since it's opened in california i was gonna say when it opened in 1955 they had it you were you were peter pan you were supposed to be peter pan and then they didn't so but when people came out they didn't understand why peter pan wasn't in the ride yes it was like oh because that's you okay never mind we should just put him in the ride which it's the and the same problem with snow white and the same problem with mr toad

and it's weird that they had to like overcome this big like storytelling or this is how new what they were doing was they didn't realize like boy we are like not connecting with our audience on this major issue i get the idea in theory like wouldn't it be cool that you're the character but it's not like they were they like the person who's working on the ride wasn't like all right now imagine you're peter pan go like you didn't get any sort of like hint that that was the case so you were seeing stuff from the movie and you were like well i'm in a pirate ship i'm not flying i don't have the hat on that's not what peter did he didn't fly around a little pirate ship right exactly if they strapped you in with a harness

and then you they put the hat on you i think people would have figured it out or even if just people looked at you and were like p Peter, help me. You know? There you go. Yes. Yeah, that's good. Yes. Peter. Well, Peters, because there's multiple people on the ride. Peter, and also Peter, and Peter. Peter. Everybody was just shouting Peter. It's just like Santa Claus, you're Peter's helper.

Yes. That would be good, too. They also hadn't figured out how to give you missions back then, because nowadays it'd be like, Peter, Princess Tiger Lily has a mission for you. I don't like those rides. They get me too stressed out. Like collaborative rides and things where people need you for things. I'm like, no, I just want to sit here and enjoy.

Oh, too much. What do you put in that category? Like the Millennium Falcon, whatever. Like any teamwork stuff? No. no yeah it's not what i signed up for you would just like to be having a nice time in the cockpit yeah you don't want to have to push it please don't assign me anything but even the idea of it like optimus prime needs you to do stuff you don't really have anything to do do you still do you feel the stress even that he no because i don't have

i don't have to push anything it's like the only thing i can barely handle is astro blasters but even then my person next to me is always looking at mine to make sure that they're better than me and they are and so i'm just like this is not why i came to dizzy land to be reminded that i'm inadequate it's so. To give your hands a rest. I think you just don't want to be working machinery. I just get stressed out when numbers are involved. Toy Story as well? Yeah, that's what I mean.

Astro Blaster. Well, there's the other Toy Story one too. It's at California Adventure. It's like you have to pull a pull string. I don't know if I've been on that one. Well, then you would hate it. It's like a 3D game. You have to shoot rings at a

screen and your wrist just kills by the end of it. It really hurts the hand. So yeah, stay away. Is what I'm trying to say. There's no reason. You don't need that stress in your life. We just came out hard against that ride. You know what? Listeners, stay away.

We're never going to do it on the show. I don't think it's nice. No, no, no. We're signing now. Toy Story made. It's like an old-fashioned carnival. No, you're crazy. Yeah, you can do that episode alone, Jason.

All right. He just sits two straight hours. Carnivals are first. The pull string as seen on many toys including woody himself um peter pan i'm we're jumping all around here peter pan though is the first disney ride i go on as a little kid and like i try mr toad i try snow white they scare the shit out of me both of them i'm probably like what i i'm always forgetting when we went five i'm probably like five or six won't open my eyes uh i go on peter pan it took forever because it always has

and it always will and i loved it i thought it was the greatest thing and want to do it again and my mom was like the line is too long i cannot do it again we have other things to go do it's rough my favorite is flying over london like that to me is what makes the ride so special i think the other elements i can like give or take like you know whatever but like that and having um the clock tower big ben and have like all the all the little things that they have there i thought was so cool i think it's a really wonderful scene and it's the scene that has changed the least since the ride opened and i think with good reason because like because you get it's a um

certainly at that time like probably the the biggest kind of set piece scene the uh that any had been ever done in any ride i would think because you're in there for so long and you go in and then see it from a different way it's almost like a mini version of one of those like it's it's the precursor to the big indiana jones uh mara room the the main temple or the at-at room in uh uh in rise of the resistance like it's a big reveal yeah yeah you're gonna be in here for a little while and you can look around and see things from different perspectives. It's so great. Done differently in all of the international version.

This ride is duplicated in many parks. All of them except Hong Kong. All of them except Hong Kong. Poor Hong Kong got shafted. All a little different. The Florida London, much much longer but not necessarily more successful I think than Disneyland has a little bit longer of a lead up you see Nana you see like the alleyway you see like oh yeah yeah it's just the scale is a lot bigger in Florida but I don't

I wouldn't necessarily say it's a better ride it seems like shanghai though which was you know built in 2016 like they went all out on the shanghai one it was really good yes i did a ride through and it's a little hard to tell from those but it is long yeah it's very long uh uh which they've lengthened the disney one the disneyland one over the years that's a pretty like sizable experience which one of these is the longest, do we think? That's a good question. Mr. Toad feels long. Alice feels long.

Well, Mr. Toad, well, I guess they all kind of do. They end so abruptly. It's like you turn a corner and you're back in the sunlight. And there's a person telling you to get off. It's insane. Yeah. What's the one that, is it, we did an episode about it, and yet I don't remember offhand.

One of the Snow White iterations ends What's the one that is it? We did an episode about it, and yet I don't remember offhand. One of the Snow White iterations ends where the witch is struck by lightning, and then you're just outside. Like happily ever after pie. Like there's barely time for it. The one here, they're changing it now. It's down for refurb, and it's not going to be just the weird one where the dwarves are on the mountain, and she's about to boulder them to death. And she gets struck and dies, and then you're outside and that's the end of the ride so in the wind in the willows did he just die and go to

hell and that was it because that's the ride I don't know he just goes to hell and then that's it and you come back out okay in in the movie it doesn't end with him in hell that's the end of a film that's pretty nuts

well I didn't even realize what happened until i was older and then i was like oh we were in hell and then you're just like back with the workers again like telling you to get off and i'm like what the heck there was no other scene after this yeah that's the weird that is what that for no other reason i guess i love toad but but the idea that you're putting kids, thousands of kids every day, you're sending them through hell, not even giving them some sort of a resolution. Like it's going to be okay.

You're in hell, but it's fine. Or like you will get out of hell and go to heaven. You're sending them through that. That is one of the weirdest, most insane things that is still happening on a daily basis. I think it's a PSA for drunk driving. Because that's what happens. He goes and gets drunk at the bar.

Then he drives. And he goes to court. He kills somebody or whatever. He goes to court. He gets sentenced. He goes to hell. And then you're back out. And you're getting off the ride.

That's it. Two of the dark rides are like morality tales. Pinocchio is the same way. Yeah. Don't be an actor. don't be an actor. Don't be an actor. And also no drinking and no cigars. Right. Yeah, you'll become a donkey.

I didn't put the drunk part together. That is true. You'd go into the saloon literally, old timey man spinning beers. Presumably you grab one narratively. You crash your car, you grab one narratively. You crash your car. You're driving all crazy.

How many people die on that train that you've hit? If the train derails, that's like hundreds of people. If it's not a freight train, if that's a passenger train, Mr. Toad might be... He daily on that

ride kills hundreds of people. It's him, it's Hitler, it's like, who else is all in hell together? Mr. Toad. Mr. Toad and all of the- He's technically killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Mr. Toad is genocidal, you could say, in a lot of ways because of just the infinite nature of the ride. A rich man who thinks the law does not apply to him this toad

hopefully they keep that forever if they'd had their way if there was a little more room they would have built a final room of hell where you see a bunch of celebrity hell guests Hitler at the time in the 50s who would have been the most on on the uh wall would have probably put in a bunch you know any like commies who died recently and you'll go to a scene and see trumbo in hell in his In his bathtub. But it's filled with fire.

Trumbo in a bathtub full of fire. Okay. You love this ride very much. Is the line a daunting... Do you still make a point of getting through the line to get on it if you're going to the park? Or is the line too daunting to consider it? Well, so my... It's one of my top favorite rides. However, like you were saying,

the ride that you would get to in the morning, like first thing you go to, for me, even though it has a fast pass, is actually Indiana Jones on just the sheer fact that it always breaks down.

So when I'm taking someone, I'm always like, you have to get on Indiana Jones. I swear by lunchtime, it'll break down. And then like by lunchtime, it breaks down. And then I'm like,

see, aren't you glad we did it? And I'm gonna pass holder so like i'm there you know so enough to know that that happens it's not just whenever i'm there um sure but yeah the line can be super daunting that's why okay so i went last year on valentine's day uh and it was like raining and that was great i love going when it rains because then you know that's the best time to get on all these rides. But yeah, I think it's really sweet. It's crazy to me that everyone else still loves it so much too. It's one of their most popular rides ever. It's weird that it's never gone

and it's not like they had to do those plus ups and digital effects to pump some life into the thing. Like it was a mega line always and still is after. And yeah, it's just it's pretty eternal. It is also low capacity when you talk about like riders like it gets through like very little. It's hard to load and unload. It's not as easy as some of the other rides. Did anyone see the there's a Yesterworld video? I, not as easy as some of the other rides. Did anyone see the,

there's a Yesterworld video? I of course watched the Yesterworld video explaining. With a chart of what loads the, does anyone want to guess if you didn't see it, what is the low, in Disneyland proper, the worst, the lowest capacity.

Right. You have an offhand. Is it, oh, is it the Astro Orbiter? No, no, amazingly. Is it, oh, is it the Astro Orbiter? No, no, amazingly. Is it what is now Guardians? No, I don't think so.

Those are pretty big rooms. But those are only two elevator shafts, right? There's three elevators for Guardians. Okay. I'm actually blanking now what it said. I saw the list, though. It's not, you wouldn't necessarily know offhand, but apparently.

Oh, no, never mind. I'm just going to keep guessing. You can guess it. Is it Storybook? No, those are pretty. No, Casey Jr. is number two because there's only the one trained. And you just got to wait for it. Oh, that makes sense.

Harusel's pretty big. Oh, Chippendales Rescue. The Gadget's Go poster? No, that feels like it could be. I think the lines aren't that big ever for that. It only is one poster, though. Yeah, yeah. I guess anything where that's the case is kind of scary.

Well, reveal it. Roger Rabbit's cartoon, Spin, apparently. Oh, wow. Yeah. Also, it was broken down. Yeah, that might be part of it. And I get, but that doesn't feel right. No.

You can send a lot of cars through, but that line is always crazy. I've certainly complained about that line. Very claustrophobic. I don't get claustrophobic easily, but I'd say the cue for Peter Pan and the cue for Roger Rabbit. Very claustrophobic. And Roger Rabbit a lot more themed. I will give it that.

Still a better line. Is this the worst line? I mean, there's murals. There's murals inside. There are murals. But it is open air. But there's really nothing. I will give the advantage to Matterhorn

because of the beautiful wood carving. Yeah. Okay, that's good. And then Snow White's queue I will give the advantage to Matterhorn because of the beautiful wood carving. Yeah. Okay, that's good. And then Snow White's queue has the, like, do they have a wishing well outside? Or no, they have the thing inside where people throw money, which is weird. But, like, there's a little bit of theming there. I think anything with landmarks. It's the same way that, like like a long drive where there's that funny billboard

that you know weird thing to look at on the side of the road that abandoned water park or whatever it is uh uh but if it's a long drive that's just like flat land nothing for miles and miles and that's kind of what this line is so you're gonna dock at points maybe i think maybe just yeah because like even you're like mentally in Snow White Like okay I passed the well So now I'm at this point It's just Peter Pan is a grid

That's all it is Yes So here's the one thing I'll say about it And maybe you shouldn't count it In its favor Because it's sort of inadvertent But it's one of the best places

To see The evil Maleficent queen Oh sure That little secret When she kind of opens the curtains and looks. When you're in the Peter Pan line, that's when you see her

the most. And you go, look at the queen that's going to be there. I love the castle. I love going up there and seeing Aurora. That is very nice. We've talked very little about the Sleeping Beauty diorama. That is their diorama. It's a walkthrough. It's very nice. I totally agree uh um what else we like

on the on the ride though uh so the opening three or you go i was just gonna say i probably were gonna say something similar the opening scene so you go in the you go in your little pirate ship and you go through and you start in the bedroom of the kids like in the movie initially it was just like a very tiny little section with no characters and it had like i don't even think it had the shadow to start out with wow yeah i think that was a later it was a later edition and they like slowly plus that up over the years like they've and they added nana and then they added a better n well Nana was from the original I think they kept her

is what they were saying I think maybe in the Imagineering it was like I don't know if they kept her from the original or the 83 re-enhancement the 1983 because they re-enhanced it then yeah the Yesterworld video was very confused about which update was

which as well so I'm not sure I know there was 83 got a lot more animatronics so I think in 83 they had the darling kids in bed and then in this one they have them actually flying right there on the wall oh that was the change that was the big change yeah the last time they did something

but this it's so interesting with all this stuff because most people are not insane and don't go that often so anytime you go on this ride you go oh it must have always been like this I would imagine most people just go on and go oh yeah it's the great Peter Pan I remember

but once you go through all this you're like oh these little changes they've made to it over the years are great but like they never do something crazy where you go well that was not here before. Well, your memory is deceptive too. Our memories are all bad. We're human beings with bad memories.

There was something we went on in Florida. I forget what it is. And I was like, well, I remember this clearly. And then I had remembered the mirror image of it. In my mind, like, ah, you leave the station and you go left. And whatever this was you went right and i was like oh my god i i remembered the details of this ride but i flipped it in my own memory whoa i mean that happens a lot yeah i incepted myself i memory

hold it's your set pieces it is tethered yeah you're tethered you're tethered. Yeah, you're tethered. You're tethered. Went in and you never came out. I thought this ride was right side up, but it's upside down. Nope. Someone implanted this memory of Peter and the Native Americans doing a full musical sequence. Wearing questionable outfit changes. This can't be real. Disney wouldn't have done this. No.

Maybe it hasn't happened yet. Oh, no. I don't know what Tenet is about. Do we know? That's the new Christopher Nolan movie. I don't know. I don't know either. We might not know after we've watched it.

I was thinking, Tenet is what they say in the movie. They say, wait for the kick. Tenet is the new movie, you're saying. Yeah, Tenet is the new movie where they show like a 10-minute clip. Didn't you see the 10-minute clip when we went to see a movie at IMAX? Oh, I did. I just saw the trailer.

It's with David Washington's son. Oh, is that right? Yeah. I didn't realize it was his son. From Black Klansman? Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then Robert Pattinson picks him up in the car but yeah okay so that played before birds of prey yes what i saw last night or the night before

and i was literally looking i'm like where does harley come in like i had no idea because they just started it i really thought it was the movie and i'm like okay this is very guy heavy but that's chill like it was all men all swap men all and i'm like okay so, this is very guy heavy, but that's chill. Like it was all men, all swap men, all. And I'm like, okay, so they're going to break it. This is going to be a social commentary on something. And they played like, yeah, the first 10 minutes. So you really think that this is the movie. And then it was, and then it ended and it was like Tenet coming out, blah, blah, blah.

And I was like, what the heck? Wow. Why are there like major movie stars in this who i didn't know were in birds of prey yeah no true i was like they didn't say robert but i know he's the new batman this is weird anyways that must honestly happen a lot because again they don't they do it without warning tell you yeah so like you're hearing like you're like the movie looked like a little more like a like a fun like like it maybe had like pop songs or something in it. And I'm just hearing a droning Hans Zimmer score. This is weird.

Droning Hans Zimmer Birds of Prey would I think make a very different movie. I haven't seen it yet. Christopher Nolan's Birds of Prey, Hans Zimmer doing the score. It's mostly dudes. Harley Quinn's in it for like a couple scenes. Yeah.

So that first scene when you're in the in the bedroom has been so updated over which is just like thinking about it uh you're like wow it's so it is really good now but it used to just be like a little like three feet of room when people started out and i don't think you started from london rooftops in the like right after the mural either yeah i think it was just mural, and then you're in an empty bedroom, and then you're flying, and that's always been good, but the first,

yeah, the launch, essentially, not like launch coasters, but the, before the big scene, yeah, was kind of lame. I think that, uh, sorry. No, I'm done. Oh, okay. That ride mechanism, the ride, you being above everything, you flying over everything and hanging down,

I think that is a big part of the appeal. I know my dad, this is one of his favorite rides, and I'm sure growing up with Peter Pan probably being re-released a million times because they always re-release their movies. You mean it doesn't stay in the vault? It doesn't stay in the vault. Well, it did, and then they bring it back out of the vault for a very short time,

and then they aired some of them on the wonderful world of Disney. I want to say that I love Disney. They've always been really great to me, and so I just love them, and they know that. Oh, yeah, you're teasing. You're just teasing like a family. We really should have brought Oh yeah you're teasing Like a family We really should have brought up You're in Wreck-It Ralph 2 is that correct

Yeah I'm in a Walt Disney animation I got to go there To their Burbank Studios And they animated me And I play myself I say like hey it's Danny Fernandez Because he's in the internet And I live in. I play myself. I say like, hey, it's Danny Fernandez. He's in the Internet. And I live in the Internet, clearly.

You are yourself. Because I is going. They wanted someone. Everyone's like, how did you get that? I'm like, well, they want it. They have actually other people in it, too. Like they have big gamers, like people that are big, big in the online space. And so all those years paid off for me.

Yeah. But yeah. Anyways, they animated me. They watched way too many of my videos because they like the way that I talk with my hands and it's just too much. Honestly, aggressively like me. Well,

yeah. Were you then? Cause I'm like, I'm like afraid of knowing what an impression of me is like, let alone this, let alone people studying my body language. Did it like freak you out a little bit? Well, okay.

So when they sent it to me, she wasn't finished. Okay. So she just looked like a sim. So I was like, thanks. You know, I was just like, she didn't even really look like me. She just kind of looked like whatever game character you get in the beginning before it's been like stylized. The creative player default. Yeah.

And that's just like their placeholder. And so they didn't actually show, I was hosting the Ralph panel at New York Comic Con and that's when I saw her was with everyone else in the room. Wow. Because they were showing like some of the scenes. So I was like, oh my gosh, she's so pretty. They gave me what I call Moana hair,

which is like when you watch Moana, it's like the detail of her hair, like each like strand moves. Wow. And so they had that. Yeah. All the Disney princesses were in it. And then I hosted a panel with them also at New York Comic Con. It was like the original Paige O'Hara, who's Belle, and Jodie Benton, who's Ariel.

Oh, I didn't know this. And Nikanani Rose. You had a panel with all of these people yeah wow and I was like I'm not gonna cry there was like a thousand people there I'm like I'm not gonna cry I'm not gonna cry but Anika cried because she was the first black Disney princess and then I started bawling and then it was yeah I don't even remember how far back did this go? Who was like the oldest school? Well, okay, so that would be Snow White, right? It's not the original.

Yeah, but we did have the woman who took over for Cinderella, who's actually been voicing her the last like 25 years. Some of those original ones. So I think the last person alive would be Jodie Benson, who's Ariel. Okay, so who was original? Wow, wow. What a Benson, who's Ariel. Okay, sure. Who was the original? Wow, wow. What a lineup. That's crazy.

All of that is crazy. And it's also in the movie, because there's a scene in Reggaer Ralph 2 where all the princesses are hanging out. You're like part of continuity though now with the princess. You know what I mean? Like if it was a different movie where maybe it was sort of, oh, this is in a different like little pocket Disney universe. But it feels like now you are canon. Yeah are isn't that wild it's very wild yeah but

again it's you it's not a character of you you are canon that's what's even crazier is like there are people in it and but they're playing other people and i'm they literally i say like hey i'm danny fernandez welcome to buzz tube or whatever it is that they're making fun it was like buzzfeed and youtube right um but i went over to hector navarro i don't know if you know hector navarro i went over to his place and he when he was in japan bought a japanese version of wreck it ralph and so he put it in for me and it's my character speaking spanish but she said i mean spanish there is that version my character speaking japanese but she says Danny and so I was like oh my gosh like this woman also played me Danny so people play you yourself yeah localization

it's not a language localization version it is crazy because like there's no like you know famous very famous actors have been characters but they haven't been themselves yeah it's never been like and i'm like i don't know why i first thought mel gibson but that was the first name that popped into my head but he was john smith he was not mel gibson in the pocahontas i think he has oh yeah you think mel gibson has been in a cartoon as himself hasn't he was he on family guys people have like in the simpsons oh it is the sense oh yeah but i'm saying in disney nobody's been in a fit yeah you know there's be rare opportunity there's not a lot of modern films set in modern times right yeah right it's almost one of the only movies you'd be able to

do that so i'm really lucky that i got to do that because i don't know another movie you know that would take place in the internet that you would get to be yourself they also had you know like grumpy cat another sure grumpy cat was also themselves the real grumpy cat sure they had a real meow i don't know but like if there's a disney plus show about power line and they're having like somebody interview power line i'm just saying they could go back in the archives and be like well do we have a character in one of these movies that like could interview or talk or it could be you. Do we have any podcasters? Yeah, that could go and do it.

Is there any podcasting in a Disney movie yet? Oh. I don't know. That would have been it. Maybe an Onward. Maybe there's podcasting in Onward. You know, they have a long journey apparently. It seems like an Onward. Do they put on Marin? They're Marin fans. They're Merritt fans.

They're Merritt fans. They're Rogan fans. Someone who grew up with Lion King and watching all those VHSs, as they were sketching you, did you... Because I feel like all I would think about is those pre-rolls on the VHSs where they're like, coming the summer of 1993, where they show the animals drawing a real lion, but it's just, they're doing it to you.

They're like sitting there. I think the thing that weird, and I ended up, you know, becoming friends with the directors and the animators and like I know all the storyboard artists, Josie Trinidad, who's actually now directing a Walt Disney animation movie. She was also lead storyboard artist on Zootopia. But yeah, I mean, I got to know these people

and also like hosting panels with them. But the weird, the thing that weirded me out was the idea that a group of animators were sitting there all together watching videos of me. Like that made me feel weird. You know, it's just a super self-conscious. Serving you like a lion as if you were a subject. And it's like the way that like my jaw moves and

which is kind of like weird i mean the same thing for sarah silverman though she has like weird the way that she talks is very specific the way that she moves her mouth is really specific and and so um both both she looked like her character and john c reilly looks like his character you know so um but it's still weird thinking that like someone sat and like which videos did they watch yeah sure and if someone was like me at nerdist or like were they ones where i wasn't funny or like had a bad take on something or whatever you know what i mean yeah like if someone if two animators were arguing like someone's having a bad day that's going going like, she doesn't fucking do that. Yeah.

Why would you do, like she doesn't do that. Do your research. Come on, man. I need some air. Well, I am calling on anyone who's working on anything

with Disney Plus to put your character of yourself in another Disney Plus thing. Yeah. Because that would make it a runner. I just want to like, well,

Alan Tudyk, I forgot, I think his first appearance was in the original, he played King Candy in the original Ralph. thing yeah because that would make it a runner i just want to like well um alan tudyk i forgot i think his first appearance was in the original he played king candy in the original ralph and then after that he's been in like every one he was like the chicken in moana he was he was nose more in wreck it ralph too um you know now he's in the star wars and so i'm like i want to be like him and just like get into one and then you get asked to be little side characters in all of them now it's a run you're a rats and burger you're asked to be little side characters in all of them. Now it's a run. You're a Ratzenberger. You're like a perennially always in there.

I feel like Hater's kind of getting there. Maybe he's in a lot of Pixar things. A lot of Moyah Hand. Yeah. He was in Ralph. The second Ralph. Yeah. And he's in Inside Out.

I was going to call it In and Out, which is the Kevin Kline movie. Inside Out. He's one of the main characters. And I feel like he's somewhere else. But whatever. Yeah. That's great uh yeah again uh power okay yeah power line show specifically you should be in that would love it yeah first the first pitch that there is a full power have you and i just we said that the that eye to eye is the best disney song of all time have we agreed on that i don't know if we've specifically said that. I can't immediately think of anything to counter that. It's like part of your world and eye to eye, I feel like, are the two best.

One and two. One and two. I don't know which order, but those are the two best, I think. Yeah, I don't know. I got nothing to lose. I'll throw it in there. Yeah, all right. Yep.

Eye to eye, and we will never cover Toy Story Mania. That's right. It's never. Sorry, Jason. I'm working on my one-man office. You're taking your writing notes down already. Yeah. So you get back.

You get out of the bedroom. You go over to London, which they've only made like cooler and brighter. I was watching a side-by-side. There's not great archival video of the old Peter Pan. The pre-83. Yeah, like for the first 20 plus years. But you do get those, and Imagineering Story has this video of the tests of it. This feels like one of the first things where you could see footage.

They mocked this up at the Disney Studios, and people are just up on a wire in an unthemed room tutting around. And this feels like one of the first, like, imagineering feats where you look at it and it looks bizarre. People aren't supposed to be able to do that. We made it happen. They're conquering something. They're like, we figured some weird thing out that we haven't done before.

The technology is basically, in that Yesterworld video, it says it's basically like what factories would use to cart stuff stuff around so like oh it almost feels like it's probably the same factory or same technology that like you would hang a big slab of meat on and like roll it through the factory like it's like some basic stuff dry cleaners yeah yeah kind of like that it's basically that yeah um which is crazy so they just took another technology and used it for this i will say this is the only thing that's still kind of uh weird to me is that on this ride i'm always a little worried that that thing is making too much noise

that the mechanism is making too much noise when i'm on it i'm like is that gonna i know it's held for 60 years but i'm still a little scared now this was a big thing thought that i had when reading about all this stuff as the technology improves and this is a ride that we've said they've plussed up a lot they've done a lot to her the years could they make it uh quieter because you hear that you hear that but then question, so like, could they make that, the gears would like it quieter? But if they do that, will people, you know, again, memory, sense memory,

would be, if they did that, if they made it quieter, would people be thrown? Because they are so used to. You're saying people complain that there's not a loud gear noise? Well, people are going to complain about everything. But.

I don't think they would complain about that. As I was watching the footage of five different versions of this ride, I was like, oh yeah, that sound is present in all of them. But it's so charming. The ride is so charming.

I've never gone like, oh, that sound. I've just always been like white noise. Until now. You did it now. Well, I have a podcast to have these kinds of thoughts on. The one in Tokyo is quieter, I felt. Of course.

That's all of them. Tokyo is like, all the rides are better taken care of. The Indiana Jones ride is smooth as can be. They're also newer. They are newer, but also it feels like maybe they fix it. There's something really charming about Disneyland, though. And I try to explain it to my friends that, you know, on the East Coast, they only go to Disney World.

And I'm like, but you just, there's something little bit magical. Like, it was just made with more love, more, like, literally made by hand over at Disneyland. And then when my friends would go there, they're like, you're right, it's just made with more love more like literally made by hand over at disneyland and then when my friends would go there they're like you're right it's just something a little different i uh here friend of the show zach rider was texting me after he had been to disneyland and he's he lives out in orlando and he was saying he finally had to give it up he's like fuck disneyland is better like he seemed upset to have to uh concede that point i also think because that so last time i didn't even mention this i ran the

disneyland marathon the disney world marathon and the disneyland half marathon because i was crazy in college and i just was like i can do this um it was because i saw in a runner's world magazine that you could get this huge Walt Disney the Walt Disney Mickey statue that's at the front the middle in front of the castle you get a medallion of it when you do both and so I ran both but anyway

so the last time I was at Walt when I was at Disney World there's so many buses you have to take to get everywhere like that I was so irritated by it drove me crazy when we just went. Yes. I really liked the Skyliner, this gondola thing that takes you around. And I got that.

I liked a ton. So then having to step down to the buses. So I had some buzz rides that were truly patience testing. Yeah. I mean, whereas with ours, it's like, oh, I just want to go over to I'll meet you at Guardians. And it takes like 10 minutes, you know, from get to one end of the park to the end of another park or whatever. It's pretty nice.

Look, the trick with the bus is you just have to dedicate a number of hours to studying transportation infrastructure and maps. You love riding on a bus. He made a point of, I'm going to see how the internal, like how the transportation works. Jason said he was going to test the limits of the infrastructure. And I did it. I got it. Cut on the last bus of the night out of Hollywood Studios, which I took a boat to. Wow.

You do like a bus though, right? I like a bus. Yeah, I like a bus. Okay. Well, especially in Florida because it's so hot and the buses are so strongly air conditioned. Right. They are sometimes a relief. So if you're a fan of transfers, then you're not going to find that at Disneyland.

Do you recommend running those marathons? Well, if you're going to do any marathon, I don't recommend running marathons. But if you are, if you're like dead set on doing it, it's the best one because there's a lot to see. So you get to run through the park before it opens. And there's all the characters out there and people stop to take pictures. But like there's a line. I'm like, I'm not messing up my time. But there's like a lot. It's like really cool.

And especially if you're running at Disney World, then you do have a lot to run through. You're running through all the kingdoms. It still is 26.2 miles. I think when people hear that I ran, they're like, oh, you ran at Disney World. That must have been, you know, easy. And I'm like, no, it's still your feet moving 26.2 miles.

Still regulation. Yeah. And also you can't go past, like if you are running, you know, too slow, they'll come and also you can't go pat like if you are running you know too slow they'll come and cart you because they have to eventually like open the thing up and it's like you know what i mean like you can't it's not even that bad but like it will catch up to you if you haven't trained at all i didn't train as much as i should have so i was in a lot of pain how do they cart like do they just are like a golf cart? Wow. They're literally a cart. Well, yeah.

I mean, like you can't you can't take all day to run it. Right. They give you a time limit. Right. Wow. Jason, you should do that because then you'll get the experience of running and being in a golf cart. My thing with marathons are you're hearing the hearse. I mean, those you do have to like train a bit.

You do have to train a bit. Yeah. Or like your body start to shut down it will shut down if you try to jump into right but i'm well i'm just saying that maybe even if you don't train they'll just golf cart you pretty quick and you'll get to take a golf cart through everything they just give up right away yeah well they're so the disneyland one i don't even know if they do it anymore they have different themed ones like they used to have the tower of terror like 10k or something uh i did the half marathon at disneyland you actually ran through angel stadium as well

because like just disneyland proper wasn't enough cool um but that one was only third only 13 mile 13.2 miles or whatever 13.1 um and back when i was running in college i'm like anyone could get to about 10 miles without training like Like if you had to, if you like, if you were running for your life, but now that I'm a little bit older, I'm like, there's,

I can barely run a mile. I don't know. I like don't run anymore. So, but that was my, like, I didn't really train for the half one. Cause I already,

I already done a full and I was like, I have enough. And I still was in so much pain. So anyways, the medals though were pretty dope well yeah this medallion wait explain describe this medallion this sounds yeah i'll show it to you so i got so you get one for each one for each uh so the marathon i got a mickey medallion um some years they do a castle you get the castle which is really cool for the half marathon i got mickey running it was a medallion um some years they do a castle you get the castle which is really cool for the half marathon i got mickey running it was a medallion and if you do them both in the same year it's called the coast to coast marathon um you get the walt and mickey wow oh it's of that i wonder are

these like valuable too because i feel very few people probably do both. This is it. That's really cool. That's heavy duty. Oh, yeah. Wow. That's big. That's a good size too. That's big.

It's made of good materials. So you technically get three, right? Because you get the one from Disney World, you get the one from Disneyland, and then you get the medallion. Wow. Wow. How do you get those displayed? Well, me right now just in like a jewelry box, but other people you can look at, you know, they have these huge.

Oh, there's ways. The goofy one is if you do the half on Saturday and the full on Sunday. I think there are some weekends where you can do a 5K on Friday, the half on Saturday, and the full on Sunday. Oh, my God. Like an Iron Man. It's like if you want to kill yourself. There's different metal levels and stuff. Medically, that is not

recommended, I believe. Unless you are like peak physical kid like, you know, you've pledged your allegiance to eating a lot of gin. Oh, I do need to say, I'll probably get kicked out, but I don't care. So there's a Run Disney Facebook group that has like thousands of people in it

and it has the most drama all the time. I'm like, what in the world? But then you think of like people that run marathons and they're probably obnoxious and like suburban parents that like, well, so I'm a kinesiology major. That's one of the reasons why I ran it is like I was just really athletic.

And so they had us one of the things,'s exercise science one of the things one of the classes you have to take is sports marketing and so we learned like with marketing what they market at marathons like who can afford to run a marathon you actually have you know what i mean like if you if you dissect like you're paying for airfares travel stay you're paying like hundreds of dollars to run right it's not for free um so it was just fascinating so then you see all of that coming together in this run disney group of like slightly entitled runners who who are also disney disney people too and there's a lot of i said our facebook group is really wonderful and uh and super positive and i sometimes you see them say which is this is nice that this group is great because i've been in other disney groups that are not great yeah the baby yoda groups i'm in turn to hell no i shared

them on twitter i'm surprised they haven't kicked because i'm like i'm a weasel like i will share what people are posting and i share there's thousands of people in there you also forget like what other parts of America are like they're very like homophobic and racist and um and so yeah I think baby Yoda's probably gay and I don't like that no but there was literally when they show there was a huge thing in the baby Yoda group whenever they showed um and I'll send you guys my thread because it's just insane i was like keeping track on twitter of like all the awful things people were saying there but when they showed pedro pascal's face which like how did you not know it was pedro pascal like we're all speaking of like when you call people real star wars fans how did you not know that that was mando and so when he took his helmet off we were like what

and then somebody was like he's just a little gay looking for me. I'm not into that. But I mean, if you are and we're like, this is really homeless. She was like, I said, if you are, it's OK. I'm like, OK. But it was wild. The Baby Yoda groups were like, they went to hell. And multiple.

There were multiple groups that all had discord. Well, there was a pro uh discord vaccination one and an anti-vaccine you laugh but i am not oh another fight that sorry i could talk about this no keep going yeah i was gonna say another fight that got started was um when it was like i don't have kids i'd rather have baby yoda than kids and like everyone started it's just a joke you know people start it but then people that have kids were like, I love my child. And so it was like this huge fight. So all I did was just screenshot it and share the, I would black out names unless they were like super racist.

And then I was like, you deserve it. But, um, in the run Disney group, it's the same thing. It's so petty. So like somebody was like, Hey, I don't really like the border for the tower of terror, which isn't a thing anymore. But like, like, i don't really like the border for the tower of terror which isn't a thing anymore but like like i don't really like the border is there another border that we can get for when you're crossing the finish line and someone did the spongebob mean and it was like is there another border that we can get with this with the and i'm like you guys are so awful do you have nothing better to do with your lives than like attack each other on here that's the suburbs oh my god

i i also i'm in a lot of these facebook groups and the more if it's a really big group generally you're gonna see that type of thing i won't say what well the one of the nicer ones i'm in is the chucky cheese fan page are they okay they're okay they're more it's a much more pure chucky love but the other ones i'm in are very uh can get very toxic very fast including my hometown's facebook group and then the facebook group that's called like schomburg uncensored because they felt they were being censored in the main facebook group wow i have one like that too so they like i'll have to tell you from for my uh the high school i went to in dallas i'll have to tell you after this oh yeah sure yes some things must be one of the ones there was on one of the disney related ones there was a somebody asked like hey can anyone get me into

galaxy's edge tomorrow which is back when they were doing reservations and it's like that is a thing to not like who's gonna do that maybe with a stranger so it's kind of a weird ask they the people roasted this poor woman hundred comments long of like oh yeah well how about you also can you i'll loan you my car too and it's like well wait a minute someone's mom who doesn't know anything yeah like why do you even have to like why do you have to humiliate this person on facebook it was an extra ticket like the kind you you get at staples for raffles where it's like you hold one i'll hold one and like oh if i'm not there make sure you listen for my number just hundreds of people lighting this poor woman up and it's like i was just asking and of course like yeah okay i just have to read this is the original start of my thread i said i'm in some baby Baby Yoda groups. And this is the post that got me

onto the fact that there's drama because I don't pay attention. I'm not really on Facebook. It says, okay, let me make this very clear. I joined this group for all things Baby Yoda, babies, pets, memes, et cetera. I am leaving because of all the drama and fighting surrounding babies, pets, et cetera. If you don't like it, don't comment comment in caps admins need to take more care of this group tired of the drama so i saw that pop up on my feed and i'm like what is happening in this baby yoda group anyone who talks about drama too much i am like you are suspect you are not trustworthy yes you perhaps are a participant in the drama. He wraps one of the primary participants in the drama. I'm sorry, I just have one more and then I'm going to put this away.

Okay, so this is in the Baby Yoda group. It literally says Baby Yoda posting. Okay, Baby Yoda is cool, but the level of obsession this group has with him is just cringe. It has 655 comments. Oh my god.

The group is dedicated to cringe. You can't call something cringe if the whole point is cringe. It's all cringe. It's all cringe. It makes me so excited. Why would liking babies, real babies, and liking Baby Yoda be mutually exclusive? Why do you have to pick a side between baby yoda and babies there yeah no

like that doesn't make any sense i just all of these all of these groups are pressure cookers for what's every like anything that's going on in people's brains true and it's like it can't help but come out i mean the country is a little it's we're coming off like there was a news clip recently where someone's like i voted for amy klobuchar because I went eeny, meeny, miny, moe. And I'm like, that's nuts. But a large portion of the electorate does that. Oh, I like their last name. Like, oh, no.

That's what it drives me. I hear people use the meany, meeny, miny, moe to pick what they watched first on Disney Plus instead of taking the boogity challenge. Drives me out of my mind. They need to of taking the Boogity Challenge. Drives me out of my mind. They need to watch Mr. Boogity first. There's some weird movie. Yeah, a lot of people are excited about it. Yeah, Boogity Challenge worked out great. Yes.

With educated Disney Plus viewers. Yes. I wonder, I'll have to look into it it later but i do wonder if there are like fan page facebook for rides specifically because obviously there's plenty of disney and disneyland but this is just content for the future yeah for like peter pan 2 we'll see if we can find specific facebook groups and see how much drama there is if people like the update in 19 1983 better than they liked it in 2015 maybe there was definitely because i'm on like oh my disney and like a bunch of those disney things um when the

whole pirates where they switched out the wenches there was so much on instagram no less that's not even i mean i guess it's owned by facebook yeah but um all the fighting about it i saw on insta and all the with all the disney peeps it's crazy yeah that's you talked about the imagineering story early and it's funny how early episodes are like and then they figured out how to make a ghost that was alive and then later episodes and fan backlash and toxic facebook this has to be in the Imagineering thing boo the 2010s are terrible yes the 2010s are terrible they're over and they were terrible

they were terrible okay I was gonna say 2020s will be great yeah everything's gonna be fine from here on out but that 10 years was bad I mean in the 1980s there was a lot of controversy around like Peter Pan in the parks because when they redid Fantasyland, I mean, you hear Tony Baxter talk about like, yeah, we're really, it felt kind of like a gamble to just shut down all this stuff for a long time. And then they took out the pirate ship in Skull Rock and they were thinking maybe they'd move it.

But then the pirate ship had rotted. It pretty much just fell apart when they tried to pick it up. Yeah, there was a lot more, early Disneyland, a lot more Peter Pan presence with that ship and the rock, and now it is down. Now it is this ride. And do we think that they took things from the ship and put them in the ride, like lanterns and stuff,

or is that not true? They said according to Yesterworld they're not sure about lanterns and stuff but that hook, there's like one hook, like Captain Hook hook that you can see sort of right when the ride starts that he thinks was saved from the restaurant. I think some set dressing.

Very mild. There's nothing like crazy. There's nothing Chicken of the Sea branded. That's what that ship was. It was a Chicken of the Sea restaurant. That's what that ship was. It was a Chicken of the Sea restaurant. Oh, I didn't know that. I believe so, yes. Wow. Yeah, my mom was a fan.

I think. Am I making that up? No, you're right. Trust me. I will assure you, it was definitely Chicken of the Sea diet. Figured that I never lived to see the Chicken of the Sea. To eat a Chicken of the Sea branded tuna sandwich at Disney with a cup of Folgers coffee and all the good stuff.

Yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, with a side of Fritos and Aunt Jemima syrup. And it's all odd brands in the early days. Yeah. I mean, we did live through the 2000s where uh for a little while they're like well i guess people like wheat bread now and everything was served on like wheat buns like weird plasticky wheat buns and and then it has swung back i mean this is we're already deep in the episode so we can't get off on a wheat tangent but i feel like wheat has swung back wheat was like the classier

healthier choice for a while and now everyone's like well wheat is like monsanto and that's all processed and we shouldn't do wheat i mean obviously bread is bad now in general but wheat is now i would i'll pick white bread over wheat bread now whereas i used to be like well yeah mike used to give me such a hard time for buying white bread yeah for buying sourdough bread and because i'm an idiot because i don't know what's going on i don't know anything about health i I liked vitamin water. I thought it was full of vitamins. I will say, like, Disney, like, cheap, like,

cheapy brioche or, like, the New England style, like, buns that are, like, or, like, Hawaiian sweet rolls cut down the middle. It's like, oh, I'd always rather that than something like crappy wheat bread. Well, you were right. I'm sorry. All right.

I would formally apologize to you for shaming you. Who knew the white bread controversy would be solved on peter pan yeah i didn't incredible i didn't know long you really never have to grow up in neverland peter pan would be like i don't want to know about all this bread stuff i want to be a little boy forever they don't really address what the Lost Boys eat. I mean, in Hook, they do. Of course. They eat a bunch of gloop. They eat a bunch of colored clay. There are so many different Peter Pans. Yeah, a ton.

There is a new Peter Pan movie every three years. I was thinking, I was coming into this episode thinking, I like the ride a lot. I'm not that fond of Peter Pan. And I rewatched the movie to see, like, what is my problem with this? Because I think I'm a little creeped out by some things about it in general. And I was like, but I like the ride.

I like the world. I like being on a pirate ship. And I like going to Skull Rock. And I like Captain Hook. And I realized what I don't like. And it is Peter Pan himself. Oh, interesting. I think he is a selfish nuisance.

In my memory, he's nothing but horrible to Wendy. And then I watched it and confirmed this. That one of their first interactions is that he shows up and he's like a celebrity to them because they're always telling stories about him and then so she's kind of like verbal vomiting because like oh my god i'm talking to the real peter pan she's going on and on while she's sewing his shadow back she's doing work for him and he says wait a minute i want to get it. Oh, she's going on and on. And then he's like, girls talk too much. Yeah, that is really harsh.

Well, get on with it, girl. What is this? He's like. Women be shopping. Shut up and sew. I'm a little boy with a lot of energy. I need that shadow on me ASAP. Oh, I was going to say, is Shadow the name of the guy who wrote the game, but it's mystery.

He's like Peter Pan read the game, and he's negging Wendy. Oh, yes, sure, sure, sure. I feel like he's not very nice to Tinkerbell either. No, he's not. He pits them against each other, and she's he she whispers or she twinkles in his ear and wendy's like what did the what'd she say and he says tick says you're a big ugly girl this is awful this is why i don't care for i think the world is great i think he's terrible he's a never grow a boy who never grows up, who dresses like an ice dancer all the time.

I think this is never going to happen, but I would like to... Can we just keep the world and replace the protagonist? I don't want to see these weird British movies every three years with these creepy boys playing this terrible character. I'm a big Mr. Smee guy. Yeah. Now, there we go. He's a cool guy. Good in the cartoon. Good as Bob Hoskins. All good.

Oh, Bob Hoskins is so great in that role. While I'm calling for Disney Plus series, how about Jason Sheridan is Smee. He's just called Smee. Young Mr. Smee. It's before he meets Captain Hook. Young Smee. It's like Young meets Captain Hook. Oh my gosh. Young Smee.

It's like young Pope or whatever. Yes. Absolutely. Young Sheldon. Young Smee. Young Sheldon. Young Smee. Young Pope. Jason Sheridan is young Smee.

I would love that. Smee is clearly the brains of the operation. Poor Captain Hook is clearly shell-shocked by his insane life. You know, there's a Smee character in The Princess and the Frog. Do you remember that guy? He's like the prince's assistant, essentially. Right.

But it is fascinating because it's like, what would happen if Smee got to control? Because that guy sells out the prince. I can't remember his name right now. Yeah, I don't care. There's a lot of... Oh, and I guess like... Sorry. What's his name

from Gaston? LeFou. I was going to say something about LeFou. And doesn't... There's kind of... Isn't there kind of a bumbling little mermaid? Isn't there sort of a... Somebody's helping Prince Eric, right? Or is that... No, he's like an older... Prince Eric is good.

The Sultan is kind of like Snee. And Cogsworth is this type, too. Yes. Little stuffy guys. Low status guy who are very short. The Queen's, the King in Alice in Wonderland. Like that, like that. Next to the handsome playmaker or whatever.

Yeah. Is Captain Hook handsome? He, no. I just, it was a thought I had. I think Dustin Hoffman. In the movie, in Hook he is. In Hook, yeah. Isn't Jackman Hook in a movie?

Jackman, I think, is Hook. He's not Pan, he's Hook. And Christopher Walken was in the musical, the live musical. That was bonkers. Who is the hottest hook? It's Hoffman. It's Hoffman.

Hoffman, yeah. Are we forgetting some, though? I'm sure. Or is it his live action? No, in the other one, yeah. Is it the animated one? Is the animated one to anyone hotter than Hoffman? I bet there are a lot of people who would say animated.

Yeah. If you consider height, like if you think he's a tall. For everyone that's saying that they want tall in their bios or whatever. I'm realizing now, Jason, I feel bad because you're a shorter man and all the shorter characters are all these bumbling, snivelly, often with like a much taller wife who's mean to them scott well i look i just want to work that's fine you can do the first i don't want a partner who's mean to me i don't mind if they're taller than me that's usually been my dating experience that's fine young smyth i'm secure about that young young Smee is a reimagining of the legend

of Smee too so he can be a different we don't have to go down the path this is gonna be Smee with agency Smee with agency

yeah I mean I gotta get jacked I gotta get jacked for young Smee I gotta get jacked to do some of these run Disney run Universal events

that's how you train and if I get jacked enough finally we can have a canon short Wolverine Wolverine in the comic books is 5'3". I'm 5'1.5", so getting there. Oh, my God. I'm 5'4", and I always remind people Rod Serling is 5'4".

Really? I always thought he was a tall man. Yeah. Oh, man. And also, I was going to say, there's a very Smee-like character in Everyone's Favorite, which is Time Enough at Last with Bridges Meredith where he steps on his glasses end of the world and his wife is awful to him she is so mean yeah and I'm like he didn't deserve what happened I don't know if anyone

realizes at the end when they're like oh my god and then he all he wants to do is read and when he finally gets to he steps on his glasses and it's like no but he was nice the entire time and they were all shitty to him all he wanted to do was read and they made him feel like a dork so it doesn't make sense anyway what rod surly was trying to say is life is unfair especially if you're a dork jordan peele i am available to do a remake of time enough at last as well but anyway that was a very smee like character yes i'm curious i like that i i want to know hottest hook but i also want to know hottest short king uh like of all of these guys of all of these little and kooth denominate yourself jason number one for casting hot short king jason sherdon number one number two uh wolverine can we put fictional character with i mean actually it's huge. How tall is Hugh Jackman? Well but that's the thing.

Wolverine in the movie is very tall. But is Hugh Jackman not as tall? I think he's like 5'10 or 5'11. Maybe taller. I think Tom Cruise is also 5'4. There's actually like a list. It makes me feel good. I have like a list of all the celebrities that are also my height. Whoa. I am curious.

Pull up the list. I think it's bizarre that jackman has been tall hook and small wolverine oh yeah good point he's very by the way he's tall oh he's never mind okay so dustin hoffman is my height he's five four what wow you're a hook well he really commanded that in a way see it's all about your personality personality that uh way they shoot it tom cruise jet lee ben stiller and charlie chaplin stars wow and stiller's that and seth green did i say that yeah wow that's a good lineup yeah that's pretty good so we've we've come up with a couple different shows here today i feel very productive on this yeah yeah no a lot of show ideas but let's make sure we cover we should start winding it down but so so uh besides

show ideas hot short kings yeah yeah no no we'll get yes i think i'm the most curious to give some love to i mean i don't want to discount wolverine or jason but i want to give some love to one of these short kings who uh is has a, tall wife who's mean to them. Within those characters, who's the hottest? Let's make them feel better. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. This is tough because some of these characters are like a foot tall.

I don't even have a front runner. I have to think about this. Audience, tell us. Audience will tell us. How does short king? And it can be Jason. I feel like I should mention uh we haven't really talked about the crocodile great i like the crocodile i think i used to be scared of him as a kid because he's scary and hook like he's mounted but then he does eat dustin hoffman at

the end uh but like and i think i was even a little nervous about him at the ride but as i got a little older i was like oh no the enemy of our enemy is our friend. Like the crocodile is good. Another thing that they use that design, it looks like in Princess and the Frog with that. Very similar. Yes. That's a gator, but like, yeah.

Yeah, they're in the same like family. They're big happy dudes. Yes. They like clap and whatnot.'s like very he's very uh humanistic yeah perhaps um i in all of the in all of the peter pans uh worldwide the the scene of hook uh with his legs on either side of the um the crocodile's jaws is uh is wonderful um yeah i i was gonna say like all of these scenes at the end i like when they're on the pirate ship i like it feels like i can i probably could touch all their faces if i wanted to like it's so close and last time i was on it

i was like this feels too close and i'm surprised it's not happened where somebody like knocks Hook off of the crocodile. Or like puts their foot out and does it. Banned forever. Yes. Or like, yeah, had like an umbrella. Because you can bring an umbrella on the ride. Easily smack. Don't give people ideas.

Okay, I should probably edit this out. I'm going to lose these clips. Because then it'll be traced back to me. And then they'll be able to sue me. We know the source. We know who planted the idea. There's a rash of umbrella hits to the face to Captain Hook and it's all because I just said that. This was a Manchurian

candidate situation. They were patsies and Carlson was... I teneted them with this episode. I incepted them. I teneted them. I'd like to give credit to the... Some of these scenes that you think have always been there came in much later. And that the sword fight on the mast between Peter and Captain Hook was a Disney World invention and then added later to Disneyland.

But that feels like it always should have been there and Disney World did it first. And the Mermaid Lagoon was Disney World first and then they added it to Disneyland later. Speaking of mermaids, unique to the Paris one, it seems like, the Paris one ends in a C, which is full-size sexy lady mermaids. The French, folks, the French. This was another problem I had with the film

where Peter shows up and all of the mermaids just swooning over him they just like it's their voices are like orgasmic like oh peter and he's like hey girls want to hear about my sword fights and like why would they be they're all like pushing each other away to like no me i want to be you know women you love a grown man you love a man who's a little boy forever who wears a little hat with a feather well that's just how guys like back then it was like women were for you like the world is yours and women are specifically made for you i mean it's true that's like sure how and that's why it was such a big deal i mean i talked with page o'hara who's bell like it was such a big deal her

character was totally different she was like get married me no like uh you know and she eventually fell for a prince who was ugly apparently i thought he was very cute but like you know um she really fell in love with her heart, not her eyes. But yeah, she read and that's what made her weird. And it was just. Reading a book. Yeah. These ideas.

So Peter Pan is kind of like, you know, left over from that world where it was like, this is, you know, a little. What would a little boy going through puberty want? Like half naked women and like sword fights and like a following of like little pudgy kids that like look up to him and you know. I know two women who I make fight over who gets me and then a different group

of five women who also fight over me. Okay. Pretty much everybody's looking at me at all times. Scott is motion capture pan in a new Disney Peter Pan. Oh yeah. So you'll be a little boy but you'll have the balls on your face i don't want to move like that yeah you have i don't want to have to be in a little hat you have to be no i'm not this this show idea is canceled all right fine jason will do it i was gonna say in several adaptations they've had a girl play that part just because they end up looking you know mainly when boys get to that uh age they are kind of transitioning so they don't sound exactly and

look as like little twinkish as he is he's very twinkie and um and i would honestly rather see that i'd rather see a queer girl that's like you know, I have all these women that love me. Oh, yeah, sure. It could get updated. Well, on the stage, traditionally. Yeah, Peter Pan. And Alison Williams was Peter Pan, right? In the last NBC? Yeah, yeah. All right, so fine.

Scott isn't going to do it. You're off the hook. All right. I do. It's more progressive if I don't. Good excuse. If we're talking, you know, children, I do have a request

from the listeners, a call for art in the queue for the, for Peter Pan's flight in Florida. There's these darling little portraits.

Yeah, I love them. If someone could draw us in this style, that would really make my day. I'll post this on the Twitter, sending out a call for this to all of our talented artists, I love day. I'll post this on the Twitter, sending out a call for this to all of our talented artist listeners.

I love those. I think- Should that take precedent, though, over drawing you as young Smee? I mean, also do that, but- They maybe live hand in hand. It seems like- Yeah, good point.

I haven't, I must have been drawn- You have to have that little Michael there with the little hat, the sailor hat. Little Michael with the hat. Yeah, all of them are in their Sunday best. They're in their Sunday best Little Michael there with the little hat. Little Michael with the hat. Yeah, all of them are in their Sunday best. They're in their Sunday best when you sit for a picture. Yeah.

Well, draw me however you want, just not in a feathered hat. But I'm causing it to happen. Yeah, I know. There's going to be some horrible Peter Pan art that comes out of this. Draw Scott like Pan. Maybe don't. Draw Scott like Pan. Secretly send it to me. This is the Streisandice and i just made it happen

i'll set up a secret email called scott is pan at gmail.com email that email address with your pictures of scott as pan and i will print them out the phrase scott is pan no no no podcast the ride uncensored talk about all the forbidden pants i am mostly out of my notes the last thing i'll say is that the volcano near in the neverland scene uh it's uh that's like bubbling it's just uh tiny styrofoam balls and there's air blowing on it that's how they get the effect very Very cool. Oh, I didn't realize that. Closing thoughts from you? Don't do anything to the captain. Don't smack him with an umbrella.

No, and just like I still am such a fan of the London town. Yeah. The flyover. And the kids landing on the clock tower hand. Oh, yes. That's very cool oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and those little projection enhancements of all there's a lot of projection going on in shanghai it's all so nice it's a lot of the sword fight uh happens that like going screen to screen and then out of the math the the the mast with projections and i don't know all the recent Imagineers have done such great jobs with all these rides.

It's such a perfect example of, I mean, they kind of do it with other rides, but it seems like this one gets almost the most incremental love out of every ride. Because you think,

we've talked about Haunted Mansion, there's definitely things you could do to plus that up and make some effects cooler. But it feels like Pan, everyone's obsessed with Pan and perfecting Pan. Yeah. In a fun way. it's kind of everyone's favorite although i have a theory that you're either a toad person or a pan well you both said toad you both said toad and i said

technically i think i like pan better but i love toad yeah i think toad people came to be because the line was too long so then they were like well i just got to go on towed then. And then you just keep riding that ride every time you come. It does make it more appealing. And I did in Japan get to, because of rain, I got to achieve the dream of a zero weight Peter Pan's flight,

which was wonderful and transcendent. And yeah, try to go when it's raining like crazy and maybe you'll get on this ride in a reasonable amount of time. One of the best descriptions of Pan, of course, and Tony Baxter always talks about this, it's quote, surprisingly well preserved

in a lot of places. Ray Bradbury sent Walt Disney a note saying, I will be eternally grateful today I flew out of a child's bedroom window in a pirate galleon on my way to the stars. It had nothing to do with the ride either. Oh, yeah. It was a bit of a character.

He was just... Oh, geez. Well, that was tons of fun. Danny Fernandez, you survived Podcast The Ride. Thanks for being here. That was a blessing of a topic. Let's exit through the gift shop. Is there anything you'd like to plug?

Yeah. My podcast, Nerdificent. It's wherever you get your podcasts. You can follow me at Ms. Dani Fernandez. It's M-S-D-A-N-I-F-E-R-N-A-N-D-E-Z. And oh, I'm in a book on Audible. Well, you can also get it in paperback. It's called The Good Immigrant.

It's a collection good immigrant. Um, it's a collection of essays from actors and writers of color. There's a UK edition. And then we did an American edition. Uh, so it's 26 writers reflect on America and you can listen to me, read my essay on audible. Cool. Great.

Awesome. Check it out. Uh, and of course, uh, sign up for any and all baby yoda facebook groups just start clicking on if you have ralph in other countries please send me my character saying my name in different languages yeah geez that's great yeah so you need a super cut of that yeah we have i've looked at

the things there are people in other countries listening so if you have that blu-ray or something yeah send a little clip yeah that's fun i think i technically could also just turn the language setting on mine this is more fun though this is more interactive person yeah it's true you need the pal you need the pal copy oh yeah specific yeah true so um yeah and as for us follow us on twitter instagram and facebook and subscribe to podcast thread the second gate at patreon.com slash podcast the ride uh full fabio goose incident to come and uh yeah just remember that hashtag scott is pan fuck god damn it just remember how did i've gotten off easy lately i I think I'm going to have to make the email address. Scottispan at Gmail.

Draw us as the darling children. If it's a separate email that I don't have to look at, then wonderful. Send them to Mike. You guys creep out with these horrible photos. I'll figure out a way when to spring it on you at the worst possible time. So, yeah, don't send it to Twitter. It'll be on a stage. It'll be on a stage somewhere. Don't send it to Twitter. Don't even let him know.

He'll forget about it after this record and then send it, yeah, email. Side note, we've come to a decision that our live recording career is over. There will be no more live shows. I will no longer be touring. I'm sorry. I think you're cutting out. I think your mic is cutting out.

Oh yeah, Scott, your mic is cutting out. That's the end of it. Oh, yeah, Scott. Your mic is broken. Wait. Yeah, you're not. I can't hear you. That's too bad. All right.

Well, anyway, scottispan at Gmail. Jason, do you have anything to say? No. Yeah, give us those short kings. Draw us as darling children. Scott is pan. Most importantly, Scott is pan. Forever. Dog. This has pan. Forever Dog.

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