Podcast: The Ride - S.E.A.—The Society of Explorers and Adventurers

Episode Date: March 12, 2021

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Forever. Dog. Warning, the following podcast contains the names of many old-timey people. Retcons galore. A new ceramic-based persona for Jason Sheridan. And an amazingly dense, hard-to-follow, interconnected narrative that is sure to confuse dads across the world. We're talking see the Society of Explorers and Adventurers on today's podcast, The Ride, a podcast whose hosts belong to a secret society called S.O.N., the Society of Obedience and Niceness.

My name is Mike Carlson. Joining me as always, another member of S.O.N., Jason Sheridan. Exploration continua, Michael. But we don't need to explore, we're already obedient and nice. We take that wherever we explore to. That's true. Also, Sun member Scott Gairdner is here? Yeah, I'm a forced member, a member from birth.

You don't like this? Whether I like it or not. Well, as an obedient, nice uh person i don't uh i can't call into question whether i like it or not yeah that's a good point it was you know when we were all born i mean we got into this last week i think when we were born this was our yeah as you're saying like our birth right was to become members of this group our mothers made it so that we had to be members of this group. Our mothers made it so that we had to be members of S.O.N., the Society of Obedience and Niceness.

It's a society with all male members, but you're only initiated by your mother. But I'm sure there's some listeners out there who are members of S.O.N., or if not, they like to make fun of members of S.O.N. I think a lot of members of sun are out there i think there's we're a big group uh it's a big secret maybe you know what maybe it's not so secret maybe yeah it's like the freemasons at this point everyone knows about it right freemason

wow they're actually maybe connected because we're gonna find so many connections today we're already doing it which is very exciting it really is all about connections isn't it that this entire thing is about how do we connect as many disparate things as possible and maybe it'll add up into something like a television series yeah i finally maybe have the uh the lightning rod that pulls it all together i have a table i have a chart i made a chart to try and keep track of all this by no means definitive but the notes were just getting out of hand where i was like maybe if i use columns and rows this will be a little cleaner i have two yeah i have full like two notes on my computer pages full of stuff i died i was gonna organize it and then i went i can't even i just threw sort of throwing stuff up

and i'm like if i get to this i get to this if i get to the connection to the bangle barbecue we get to it if we don't don't worry about it uh and i have um much less than usual because I was sure that you two would have charts and overflowing documents. So this worked out great. Before I say any more, just in case everybody didn't read the description or doesn't know what this is, we're talking about something called SEA today, the Society of Explorers and Adventurers, which is something that started in 2001 2001 which is a narrative and characters that tie the disney parks together whether it be through restaurants whether it be through water parks rides it's mainly restaurants that's what i've found the restaurants yeah when you have to explain what is this thing and who are these characters or they kind of tie together a lot of rides actually wait if you do the stockpile though it's mainly like here's a picture frame at a restaurant

there's a lot often yeah it's like yes it's basically like if you were watching like a marvel movie and you just a lot of the secrets in it were well there was a picture on the wall if you look at when tony stark was eating at Burger King, that's the secret connection. So it's, yes, as you're saying, it's primarily, maybe not primarily, but there's a lot of connections to see at places you eat a quick service or medium service meal. We're tying together the Disney quick service restaurants with old stodgy people from the late 1800s that i guess is what and when you put it like that it's funnier and i maybe even like it more yeah because what's so much what's what's more fun than just tying a bunch of uh just cafeterias together with a narrative like that's fantastic yeah restaurants that you say like yeah it's pretty good like i

don't know that any of these places have i heard like oh you have to eat there because of the quality of the food it's like oh it's it's pretty good it's good in a pinch sure well now that you're saying that i'm thinking like wouldn't that be great if any of these restaurant groups that own multiple restaurants wouldn't it be fantastic if they would tie like anyone who landry's owns wouldn't that be fantastic if there was a landry's universe that could tie with characters from the 1800s or or anything like kfc taco bell and pizza hut who do you have with landry's bubba gump's in there right which is you know similar to in c it's a bunch of characters and mainly they're original but there's also one from the indiana jones universe similarly that means that in the landry verse you have bubba i don't remember bubba's last name and forest gump yes um so

they're they're part of it and then you have to go into like um what else is landry morton morton morton mr Morton is a character. Mr. Morton. The frog from Rainforest Cafe. P.H. Chart, the founder of Chart House. P.H. Chart, yeah. And that frog from the Rainforest Cafe. He's the owner, I assume. Yeah.

The golden nugget itself, the hunk of gold. Maybe they're all hunting for the golden nugget. It's like a of gold maybe they're all hunting for the golden nugget it's like a rat race kind of thing look how this makes it now dining is way more fun at a landry's restaurant now that we fleshed this out just a tad looking for clues and the more the more you spend the more clues you find that's right and you can do it any other restaurant groups you could do it do it on twitter let us know what restaurant groups you want to have their own cinematic universe or universe that's connected via just uh pictures on the wall do you think um tgi friday and fudrucker are friends and part of a shared universe or are they bitter enemies while they both like to collect a bunch of crap to put on their walls.

Crazy crap on the walls is Uncle Moe. Similar to the members of C who have all collected trinkets from their travels across the world, except in the case of TGI Friday and Fuddrucker, it's all garbage. Everything costs $5 or less. Yes. And now I'm going to quickly side note i'm remembering now that a friend of mine had an idea for jason that i don't even know if we ever told him about like a tv show where jason owned a tgi fridays and he was like a guy who

would go on hunt like a mission to try to get a new piece of crap to put on his wall and he was like a harrison hightower type character and that was before i even knew harrison hightower was this is great that's actually by the way a great idea that i should we should pursue And he was like a Harrison Hightower type character. And that was before I even knew who Harrison Hightower was. This is great. That's actually, by the way, a great idea that we should pursue. Yeah, we should. It would be like, yeah, you would be like on an Indiana Jones adventure and you would like find an artifact to put in your restaurant. Yeah.

Or a new fabricator, a new printer to make a pennant that says like, hometown USA. Yeah. Because some of the places, if you look at like an apple piece this is like wait that has the impression of the town it's in but it's not quite right right not specific um yeah but i'd like to think tgi friday and fuddrucker hate each other's fucking guts that's better yeah there's a dramatic oomph there so if maybe jason is a third jason is yeah another in this lineup of jason is a third meaning like he gets together with them after hours or oh could be that too yes yeah that's a whole other ballpark i mean it could be it's like strong strong personality

like like i feel like harrison hightower the third and barnabas t bullion are kind of at each other's throats i would imagine maybe maybe also feuding with disgraced member professor garrett reed who knows okay you know we all have our own headcanons so you're gonna okay if you if you're listening to this and you vaguely know what we're talking about as far as c is concerned we're gonna be throwing a lot of names at you. There's going to be a lot of names, a lot of restaurants. I would say maybe, here's the thing, either really try to keep up, get a piece of paper handy, or just let it go and enjoy the ride and enjoy the jokes. Because there's going to be, I have so much information written down.

I apologize for this because it's going to be hard to keep track of all of it. Yeah, because once characters from classic films start showing up and actual real life explorers out of honorariums, you know. Yes. Yeah. This is where I thought it would be helpful in a way. I'm justifying my relative laziness, which like i'm like okay if i genuinely don't know things maybe i can serve as the listeners stand in right and when you say jason chandler i can say who the hell is jason chandler now i do know see clearly you know who jason chandler is

jason chandler is although there's there's multiple versions of him you know what oh my god um but i did but then there's like all these because i i still almost am like how do you have we even explained what this is it's all of these it's all of these characters who who love to travel and explore the world and they bring their goods back to these disney parks locations i don't think it's literally i think i think there's all this all a suspension of disbelief it's not like they all work at disneyland like you're supposed to assume you're going to another world when you're in the jungle cruise or the the tower of terror um but

they like in some cases it's the owner of the ride or the owner of the restaurant or or this character is just somebody who frequents the establishment some of these characters appear in the rides and some of them have never appeared in anything there's not even a picture to go along with it so it's all extremely confusing yeah it's the shared universe it's the shared universe. It's the shared canon of the adventuring kind of flavor of Parks attractions and Parks adventure comics. The Dr. Livingston style explorers, but with the rough edges of accidentally giving smallpox to remote tribes or colonizing it for the British Empire.

All of that, like, you know, sand it off, all those rough edges, you know? Right. Yes. Just the fun of taking things from people. Just the pith helmets and the camaraderie and yeah. Yes. And that's an interesting thing too. And that's what we will talk about is like some people are bad when they take stuff from

like native cultures and then some people are nice, I guess. Some people may like it when they take stuff from like native cultures. And then some people are nice, I guess some people may like it when they take stuff away from. So I'm not sure about that. We'll, we'll get into that. But as Scott's saying, I feel like I have to keep like adding more explanation in case you still don't know what we're talking about.

Like it's like care. Yes. Characters, as he was saying, like that have been created that you can find now links between things. So you can see, yes, as you're saying, a picture of the owner of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, who we've mentioned before, Barnabas T. Bullion. And then you can read about him in a comic that's published about Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.

And Mary O'Shaneer is a character who is represented in typhoon lagoon but you also can see references to her on the disney cruise lines so these are like these are things for people like us to notice this is not for dad you know this is for you the listener to tell your more say civilian family and friends and them to go like oh yeah neat okay yeah this is i to me what i've and i'm not trying to be a wet blanket in in this episode but i i here's what i have to admit and maybe i to me i'm viewing this as sort of a make me like it endeavor because i think all this is interesting. I mean, we've talked about doing an episode about it for a long time, but I suggest we do it now, because there is this news of a television series maybe coming about all this

from the creator of Battlestar Galactica, or not the original, but the guy who did the new one, among other things. So that's sort of mobilized, ohized oh here we should do an episode about it now because we might all be delving deep into the world of c soon enough um but i so i think it's all neat and i thought it was worth talking about but i always hit a wall i'm always like which i will probably hit for 20 minutes into the episode we've been talking about all of these mostly unseen characters for far too long but also and maybe you guys can agree and it's kind of what jason was just alluding to i have

definitely started talking about this or somebody's asked so what's up with that c thing and i will start explaining and i will watch the glaze over i will watch the person just lose interest as i am talking and then it kind of comes to a quiet sputter uh is this foreign to do you guys have you guys found yourselves oh so C is this group of characters they've invented that tie together and then people just kind of like now that's a

good question I don't know that anyone's ever asked me to explain C to them I think C is something you have to find yourself if you're asking me about C and you and you didn't put the time into Google C, chances are you are going to do what you say and glaze over. If you catch a glimpse of C, even with a slight understanding that has something to do with Disney parks, I think if you're the type of person who wants to Google and go down the rabbit hole, then you're going to be into it. But as you're saying, if you mentioned C in a sentence and somebody goes oh what's that just say uh oh

i misspoke i didn't say did i say c oh i meant uh i was talking about c like the wall the ocean like and then i'll go and then they'll get confused and then just change the subject but if you want to double down what you can say is well actually if you want to double down, what you can say is, well, actually, if you look up a video interview with Imagineer Joe Lance, Lance Acero, you'll hear him say it S.E.A. And that's interesting. That might I'm not sure if that's how he refers to it or if it's so as to not confuse the listeners, the reviewers of that video with Disney. See, you know what i will hear you know what i will say though is that having them do a show about c and maybe incorporate who knows they could just change it into a bunch of sexy teenagers i'm not sure exactly what ronald d morris and a jungle

cruise movie with the rock yes where does that fit in that's confusing i think there's elements i've heard a rumor there's elements in there. But I would say being on TV would really help see out in a lot of ways. Because as we're seeing now with Marvel, how popular it is, there's according to like no one ever trashed, like people trash Marvel, but it's the most popular thing still 10 years running. Jason and I as little kids are vindicated because the Marvel canon, 80 years of it is what you're saying is eyes glaze over what is the how many times is vision done he's gone bad and good and like what version how many x-men teams are there 10 what at once yes well there's x factor and excalibur all of this stuff that jason and I told other kids on a playground and they glazed right over and wanted to push us

and maybe did push us down. Like, I think now making it into movies and TV has made it easier to digest. It's more digestible to see it versus just to hear it from a giant loser. It's a billion dollar industry, baby. The traditional trappings of the society have eroded so much we're uh everyone's taking comfort in the uh obscure shared universes of uh pop culture

detritus of the 20th century exactly so cut to god cut to five to ten years you're gonna be talking about harrison hightower with everyone you know. Can you believe what happened, what Harrison Hightower did at the end of season three? Everybody's going to be a flutter. Then they're going to realize it was in the parks already, and their mind's going to be blown. I'm cool because I was in on the ground floor far before the debut of three seasons of Merry Weather on Disney+. Exactly. uh of three seasons of merry weather on on disney plus exactly so yeah when they need to address albert the monkey's shoplifting troubles uh like on breaking bad uh you know i um so well yeah i yes tv will will help because as we i mean yes there being a television show about all this

um is better than it's it's a bunch of like etchings in parks that in cruise ships and parks that are mostly not in america like i think that's some of why this has remained sort of quiet this quiet gurgle um there was very little sign of sea it felt like in the american parks until the last five years i was pretty i think i think the first i heard about it might have been on this podcast from you at some point in time i mean it's not something i've known about for too long um i certainly was not aware of it when disney sea opened or anything it took me yeah maybe about in the last five seven years is when i first noticed it obviously they put a lot more stuff when disney sea opened or anything it took me yeah maybe about in the last five seven years is when i first noticed it obviously they put a lot more stuff in disneyland and little

references at this point um so yeah i think that yeah at this point the awareness it's skyrocketing uh yes yes uh genuinely so i mean when you around, when this was announced that there's going to be a show set in this world, I was impressed. Like, oh, there is a lot of coverage of this. And there's kind of a lot of confident articles saying, you know, it's the society from the Disney parks as if people know what it is, which maybe more people do than I think, or they will soon. Yeah. I think at this point, maybe people have heard the name and know a little bit about it at the very least. If you're a nerd at this point about this stuff. Can I start by dispelling a misconception about sea? Please. Okay. The Adventurers Club is not the original iteration.

The Adventurers Club was retconned into sea the first attraction to mention sea is a Tokyo Disney Sea exploration like like a play area essentially called Fortress Explorations the Adventurers Club

gets grandfathered in because what happens in the real world is the Adventurers Club closes down in 2009 2009? Yeah, 2009 2008 thereabouts and the props and such get scattered

to the winds at the various Disney parks like Paris and Hong Kong and Tokyo and then the Advent adventures club kind of gets uh retconned in scott do you know about retconning i know that is the something is not part of a canon and then it's sort of pulled into a canon after the fact right yes uh yeah a lot of the fast and the furious movies a lot of retconning going on as they have just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger they've gone like uh by the way these take place after number three you have to watch that watch

them in this order okay i know suddenly these characters have iphones and they have flip phones and don't worry about that uh don't think too hard on that it's the defining of the rules and in that franchise like why are some of the why do some of the movies have none of the characters from the rest of them yes correct yes uh you know lots of characters finding themselves off on their own adventures right um so what jason is saying is like that when the adventures club opened it was not this whole concept was not conceived of yet but the dna of adventures club i think is you can definitely see where it leads to the imagineers then in 2001 starting this idea that they could link everything together and then of course retconning adventures club and then ultimately and jungle cruise and

jungle cruise rides that existed long before there was any of this and now we're going backwards and saying these characters are part of it and now we've even though we just thought of barnabas t bullion the owner of the mining company this decade we're going to act like this was always part of the plan in the 70s when it when it opened yes exactly um should we just start with listing and i say i think we've said this five times well we should start with and then we've said something and then i keep going yeah we should start with but we should we list the characters maybe maybe that's the best way to start just say here doesn't the list take do you does the list do we have to say the because some of the lists oh yeah i guess you're right i've only got to read what does that mean i've only got about 30 members. It's okay.

You drive the shit. Let's try. Look, feel free to cut me off. Feel free to push me down as a child on a playground would be when I explain to him who the third Summer's brother might be in the X-Men comics. In the same way, feel free to push Jason and I down verbally. Okay. Harrison Hightower is a member of C. In the same way, feel free to push Jason and I down verbally. So, okay. Harrison Hightower is a member of C. He is a character that you can find in Tokyo DisneySea.

He is the eccentric bad man. He's the baddest member of C, I think. He's the most evil, the worst. He owns the Tower of terror there and he was killed because he put a cigar out on like a tiki idol and the idol killed him and you're caught it's not the twilight zone in japan it is this other story about this character and this tiki idol putting a curse on him and therefore you yes and there's uh uh you know we've obviously went on ad nauseum about how great tokyo disney

sea and this is like one of the best rides of on top of all of that greatness uh and it features a lot of very funny art of him stealing things from around the world with his manservant smelding now is smelding a part of c is he a member of c i don't believe harrison hightower's assistant smelding is part of c a lot of there's a lot of great assistants on this list but i don't believe he's an official member i think he might be uh adjacent or uh old superhero trading cards would refer to someone as an ally of this team right exactly there's a lot of adjacent members uh people around c right uh okay a lot of people performatively on twitter saying that they're allies of c it's a bit much don't you think well yeah yeah you know you want to show not tell i feel like when you're an ally you know you want to be an ally of c but yeah so uh all right lord henry mystic is a member of c

he is the man who owns mystic manor which is in hong kong disneyland in the tree barely discussed on this podcast sort of a stand-in for the haunted mansion it isn't exactly the haunted mansion but they don't have the haunted mansion but they don't have the haunted mansion in hong kong and they do have mystic manor right they have mystic manor there he has a sidekick who i don't believe is a member it's a he has a monkey named albert and he's the one albert is the one who kind of takes you on the journey i caved during quarantine i had never watched it before thinking like i'll get to hong kong one day i caved i watched it i've watched a little yeah it's great i'll forget before i go it looks so fantastic i mean this feels like one of those could be top 10 attractions anywhere but you'd have to go to know

right yeah i'm counting albert the monkey as a member uh okay but that's you or you found information that I thought I think he's in just from his number of appearances this feels like you canon though well I depends if you if you use Bengal barbecue as a keystone

Bengal barbecue and a tropical hideaway it depends Harrison eye tower do you should we mention every appearance of these characters when you name them Spangled Barbecue and a Tropical Hideaway. Harrison Eightower, should we mention every appearance of these characters when you name them? That seems like too much, doesn't it? Let's cliff note. We'll go back to talking about it. I just want everyone to have

a baseline for who we're talking about as we go. And just try to visualize if you're lost with all these names, just visualize an old white guy with a beard or a mustache, probably. Probably. For the most part. Unless we say it's a lady.

Yes. Yes. Which there are a few. And then picture Mary Steenburgen in Back to the Future 3. They all do look like that. Okay. So, yeah. Henry Mystic, I i believe is supposedly like a

good guy even though he does the exact same stuff that harrison hightower does this is what i was saying before he collects artifacts and brings them back to mystic manor but for whatever reason he smiles more and he looks friendlier so i guess he's okay i guess he's a nicer man maybe he gives money to people around the world for their artifacts or for their goods. I'm not sure exactly. Ask permission. And it's more like Joe Rohde would do. Joe Rohde, who travels to places like Nepal, the Imagineer, and collects items and puts them in the queues of Disney attractions. Presumably, with permission, presumably this is a good thing to do.

Even though Harrison Hightower, the bad character, looks like Joe Rohde. Several of these characters look very much like the actual Imagineers. Yeah. Which is alternatively, part of me thinks it's cool, and part of me thinks it's a little lame. I can't quite decide.

I think with Barnabas T. Bullion and Harrison Hightower, it's teasing a little because it's like, you know, they're, you know, Hightower's the opposite of how Joe Brody behaves, you know, who Joe Brody tries to be respectful

when he goes to other cultures. Well, on the, yeah. Well, I'll say this next character first then. Barnabas T. Bullion, as we just mentioned, who looks like Imagineer Tony Baxter, who owns Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. He was another character who, when I look around at information, I go,

he was a tyrant, too. He was bad as well. And then I'm sure you guys read this, or maybe not, on the Wikipedia, that in Disney Kingdoms, which that's under the stories, the comics, I believe, right? I don't know what Disney Kingdoms, which that's other than the stories, the comics, I believe, right? Yeah.

I don't know what Disney Kingdoms is. Disney Kingdoms is the Disney Comics land that Marvel has quickly abandoned. Right, that's gone. That's done now. There's two figment comic series, a Big Thunder series, and a Museum of the Weird series.

So this ties together quick service restaurants and abandoned comic lines yes oh my god no one's listening anymore everyone turned it off this is one of those oh monday stay away from this one just just bail right now this is oh uh so barnabas t bullion i read here apparently the sympathetic interpretation of barnabas in disney kingdoms was the result of talks the author had with tony baxter who wanted the character inspired by him to be more of a redeemable figure. Makes sense. A character looks like you.

You don't want him to be a mean, awful, like a Daniel Plainview type of murderous, neglig yeah sure sure monger i but gold mine owner was not synonymous with good person much like we recently discussed the phrase casino magnet is not usually shorthand for good man yeah that's true uh so barnabas is there and if you've read the disney kingdoms he's nicer than you might think you know yes that's what they're saying if you've read the disney if you've read have you guys read the disney kingdoms i have pieces not read any kingdoms uh big thunder i think one day we will revisit and i promise to read them before that um also i do not make this promise i want to give an update the. Tato autobiography is on its way. All right.

Wow. It's on its way here. Okay. Mr. Tato, not a member of Sea. Not yet. He is a potato character from a park in Ireland that has nothing to do with Disney, just to clarify. He hates the Pringles guy. They're enemies.

They're not on the same team. Makes sense to me. Well, the Pringles guy wants him dead that's right wants him and his kind fried up that's right although wait mr tato also sells fried potatoes but he has permission he kills his friends and says can i make you delicious for people all over ireland to enjoy right and they said they appreciate this they like a self-sacrifice. It feels good to them. Um, okay.

Captain Mary Oceaneer. She is represented, as I said, in a typhoon lagoon. Now she has a slide. Uh, the slide is misadventure falls. Yes.

Yes. Um, and she has a sidekick as well. It's a parrot named salty. I like salty a lot. And she has a sidekick as well. It's a parrot named Salty. I like Salty a lot. And Salty, this is, I believe, from the YouTube video I was watching, Salty is the first or only animatronic that you could see on a water slide. Really cool. At Disney Parks, at least, if not around the world.

Salty a member of Sea? Let's ask Jason. Jason has opinions on this. You know, it's when you start getting into the animal. I mean, we'll have to... I bet we'll have a ruling by the end whether the animal sidekicks are in or not. Mary Oceaneer, also the namesake of Oceaneer Labs

on the Disney Cruise Line, Disney Magic Ship, a children's play area, which name checks multiple members of Sea. Misadventure Falls, the diving bell outside has Atlantean text on it, which connects it to Atlantis, the Lost Empire, the film. So presumably Atlantis, the Lost Empire, that film. So presumably Atlantis the Lost Empire, that is part of the canon. Yes. So the character voiced by Michael J. Fox,

and I don't know his name, is he a member of C? Is Mr. Atlantis a member of C? I'm going with Jason on to be the C judge here. I think, yeah, I think he would be adjacent uh because there will eventually hit there's a character down the line that i would describe as an aspiring member of c um you hmm no well we all you know i should be so lucky um all right. Dr. Albert Falls. Okay. Jungle Cruise, Skipper Canteen.

Does he own, he owns the Skipper Canteen. Sorry, Jason probably has even more complete information. I think there's something like that. Skipper Canteen, Bengal Barbecue, Tropical Hideaway. It ties together a lot of these people. Dr. Albert Falls, that comes from the joke on the jungle cruise about like you know uh dr albert this these waterfalls are named after dr albert schweitzer and it's why he named them wait what is that how does the joke it's something like that

it's something like that like that that had no ending or beginning some of the words you said were part of that joke yeah yeah what's the joke is that it's named wait schweitzer falls and it's named after dr schweitzer named it oh it's named after the one who discovered dr albert falls okay i think oh it's it's schweitzer no schweitzer falls yeah that's the joke is that you think it's named after somebody named schweitzer but in oh it's it's schweitzer no schweitzer falls yeah that's the joke is that you think it's named after somebody named schweitzer but in fact it's named after somebody named falls right yes got a joke really clunky canon um yeah and kind of this is like a very old school jungle cruise joke and it's a very throwaway this this name. Like, I don't think anybody thought there's an expanded universe, Dr. Albert Falls. That's like a sex pun name

from a joke your grandpa would tell you, suddenly being this whole universe around an IP freely or some such. Jason, is IP freely in C? I do not think IP freely is in C, or at least- Toilet Magnet IP Freely? Expelled by Vitaly Robusteli. All right.

I mean, I wanted to wait for a while, but Ronald D. Moore, please create a character named IP Freely for Jason to play if you're not going to cast him as Harrison Hightower's assistant smelting. Please. Connect all the characters from sex jokes, dirty limericks, get them all in one place. Please, is the man from Nantucket in C? Put the man from Nantucket in C.

That's where the group meets. The way current television is written, an episode will end on a hard line of someone going like, we have to return to Nantucket. Like, dun dun! That's great. There once was a man from there.

The password to get into the C building, the code phrase will be the backside of water. Shortly, a character will say his dying breath. You'll think he's dead characters don't die that much in disney stuff you know there's a handful do or they come back you know some of these characters well they're all i mean they're all dead because this all happened it's these are

entirely characters from the 1800s nobody is modern and in c correct correct? 18-1900s, Harrison Hightower disappears on New Year's Eve 1899. That event occurs. Right. But there are no current members of C. That's a good point. That's a good question. I didn't even come upon that. That's an interesting question.

I mean, that's definitely room for another 50 to a hundred names to talk about obviously when a future podcast, but yeah, that would be, that would be worth exploring. I think maybe in season 12 or whatever of C you kind of cut to the present day of these. Maybe it's,

maybe that's what links tomorrow land together with C. Tomorrow, Brad birds, tomorrow land. I didn't say Brad Bird's Tomorrowland. I just said Tomorrowland. Well, there is kind of... The one...

This episode will take so much work on my part because I am the one who has the 50-page document that explains it. There was a... I forget what the term is, but it's like a game that takes place in real life. There was a lead up to the release of Tomorrowland called The Optimist that connected actual like Walt

and Imagineer history with like LA landmarks, Griffith Park, Chili John's and Burbank. It's part of the mythology, Chili chili john this is what we're dreaming of yeah landry verse so there is kind of like it there there was something that was kind of an an imagineered movie version of like the world's fair kind of futurism uh so i guess that's kind of experienced by 45 people in 2010 yeah those people's lives were changed forever you know that's the thing

each one of them you know it wasn't the most popular themed experience but each one of them started their own themed experience after they did it that's what's great about that again none of which are the most popular themed experience no but it continued to sort of continue to one of those people's eventual inspired ideal time to be the owner

of an escape room you know that's true so um okay how many more to go okay we don't know there might not be a bottom if we just say the major ones. Camellia Falco? Camellia Falco, the star of Soaring Fantastic Flight at Tokyo DisneySea, is the daughter of Selina Falco and the first woman inducted into sea. So she beats, in canon, she beats Mary Oceaneer uh mary o'shaneer even though mary o'shaneer was created before her yes and you can see a photo or a painting of the taily the taily vital i don't know how to say this episode is unreleasable the The then president of sea inducting her, and you can see sea members in the background of this painting.

You can see Lord Henry Nesdick. Got it, got it. All right, let's get, let's cruise a little bit faster here. Jock Lindsay from Indiana Jones is a member of sea. This is canon. This is canon. It is noted in his bar. Now, I always get confused who Jck lindsey is in the movies what

is jock lindsey in the movies uh he is not one of the most famous characters he is the pilot that flies indy away from the people chasing him at the start of raiders of the lost ark and indy freaks out because there's a snake in the passenger seat and jock's like ah it's fine and that's it that's what he is that's what he is who owns the bar scott and he's got a bar his c membership is confirmed in the bar yes so he's a member of c um and that bar is at disney springs in florida in florida yes uh j. Jason Chandler is a member of SEA. He built Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. Well, he invented the drilling tool that is used in Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.

Now, he also shows up, as we said, at Tropical Hideaway Skipper Canteen. He's in the disney kingdom's comic he's he's i think in the background in the painting in soaring fantastic flight but the thing i thought was interesting about jason chandler originally made for discovery bay the unbuilt section. Right. The unbuilt, you know, kind of Jules Verne-inspired expansion that was going to go into Disneyland that was dependent on the success kind of the Island at the Top of the World film, which was not successful. Right. That brings us to Captain Brio, the star of uh the island at the top of the world he is in sea

and was going to play a part in discovery bay right but that movie was not a hit so oh well but they did not take his membership away despite the movie underperforming at the box office they did not and in fact you can see his airship in the hyperion restaurant at disneyland paris tomorrowland the big airship that's bursting out of the worst restaurant i maybe i've ever been to the worst burger true if no question the worst burger i've had in my life wow really the worst one yeah so so bad i know i that we got the gripe that i am too hard on disneyland paris several times and i do blame food for that food is so bad or at least was on that day maybe it's gotten better maybe i was

just uh had a hit a bad time i don't know. But we did, and it kind of broke my heart because I have always loved that building, this cafe with this cool leadership, like a Zeppelin flying out of it, which is sort of what Tony Baxter wanted this Discoveryland area to look like. Yeah, it sucks that there's just a bad restaurant in there, but it looks very cool from the outside. Yeah. So those are the major ones. We can say other ones if they come outside yeah um so those are the major ones we can we can say other ones as if they come up here but those are the major i don't want to just there's gonna be plenty of lists set throwing you with this

and the rest of this podcast but uh well i have a couple couple i would say big ones um okay i apologize that's okay they only mostly show up in paintings because of who they are uh professor r blauenhimmer blauer himmel and uh let's see uh our blauerhimmer is not a major member of c but he's only in a painting but it's based on imagineer i believe it's pronounced robs coltrane uh and is these pronunciations. I don't know how to say this guy's name. I looked for videos. I found how to say Joe Lansacero,

and he is the inspiration for Dr. J.L. Baterista, who shows up in the Mystic Manor portrait and Tropical Hideaway, as well as Charlton J. Tabaret. He is in the Mystic Manor portrait of c he is based on the artist chris turner who designed a lot of this stuff can you explain because i know i am so lost the mystic manor portrait what is the significance of this this is one of the early uh you know documentations of uh see i'll share the screen here you'll see this come up a lot okay yes in my my find yes i've seen this painting and this kind of is like maybe the the

the most major work that shows all the members maybe not all but a bunch of the members all in one place yeah a lot of the main members a few of the imagineer based uh members a couple that are listed as unidentified but they're speculation it's like oh that's supposed to be jason chandler but um it's unclear so um all right let's say if this image will tweet it or it'll be like the main image of the the show of the episode let this, I think, will be helpful. If you, the listener, is looking at a photo of a bunch of people in brown clothes, and there's a banner up top that says Society of Explorers and Adventurers

1899, then let's go left to right. Who is who? That's Harrison Hightower III with his idol. The Fezzes are a big thing. Fezzes are the membership uh like thingies there there's a lot of fezes throughout the world even though most of the people in this photo are not wearing the fezes yes that's correct you don't have to uh this next one i believe is professor r

blauer himmel seated is lord Lord Henry Mystic. I forget which one this is. Might be unidentified. Here's Barnabas T. Bullion. This one I believe is listed as unknown than Mary O'Shaughnessy. Unknown? There's unknowns in this? That's Dr.

P.L. Travers. Yeah. The great grandfather of the film critic for Rolling Stone magazine. No, no, of the Mary Poppins author. Oh, okay, yes.

Is P.L. Travers related to Peter Travers from Rolling Stone? Well, not in reality, but in the retcon Travers-verse, yes. In the retcon Trevorverse yes Mary Oceaneer and then Charlton J. Tabaret on the end

you just said who Tabaret is but where else can we see Tabaret again he can be found on a napkin in the restaurant in Disneyland that's located next to the Bengal barbecue. I think mostly here.

Let's see. What other members are there? Oh, I've got something. There's a big one. Go ahead, Jason. Oh, do you have Maestro DeElfman? That's exactly where I was going. This is so stupid to me.

So one thing you might not know about the ride Mystic Manor is that it has an original score by Danny Elfman, one of the great film composers of all time. Y'all know Danny Elfman. And so thus they're in this in the queue is where a lot of the paintings exist of these Characters and I guess they consider A member of C to be What is his name in this again Maestro de Elfman Yeah it's just Danny Elfman it's just a caricature of Danny Elfman Maestro de Elfman

And then it's an 1800s style Photo of clearly the current Musician Danny Elfman This one just Feels lazy to me Maestro De Elfman. This one just feels lazy to me. Maestro to Elfman. Would you say you were looking for more of a character for him? Or would you just think it's

lazy putting Danny Elfman's face in there? Hmm. Yeah, what would satisfy me here? I mean, look, it's not you know, it's not mastered to Baxter. They didn't just make it one off of Tony Baxter. It looks like,

but they made up a whole character. I think I do want more. How about like a, yeah, like a JP notesman. It works for me. That's what I'm going to do. I fixed it.

Yeah. Yeah. Just change the beginning. I'm doing great. Yeah. Okay. That's good um i think danny uh maestro de elfman is definitely the most famous of the c members visually because he's the most famous man no offense to tony or joe rody but joe rody they were not in oingo boingo let's

be honest yeah there's no music videos, I don't believe, with Joe Rohde and a band that he was in. Right. There are, in terms of retcon, Meriwether Adam Pleasure. Yes, that's right. Yes, he is a big one. I apologize for leaving him out.

He's retconned. He is the creator of Pleasure Island. Adventurers Club was retconned to be his outpost of sea. And by extension, there is a letter at Aulani, the Hawaii resort, from Pamela Perkins, who was a character. She was the president of the Adventurers Club. So she, I guess by default, in that letter, she mentions Harrison Hightower.

And it's funny because Joe Rohde, there's multiple tweets from Joee roadie going like huh yeah no i did not create c uh the adventures club was just a thing we did he's like wasn't that fan made like wasn't it fan connections but eventually it seems like he started to play along a little more i mean i don't know if he put that thing in Alani or if another Imagineer did that, but a lot of Rudy's stuff, including Rudy himself, kind of have been grandfathered in to see.

I'm interested to know, and this is probably not something that'll ever be public, I am interested to know how a Tony Baxter or other Imagineers might feel about all of a sudden a backstory coming onto a ride they may have created. I bet they might be a bit conflicted because now if the actual like retconning they've

done of Big Thunder is there's like a ghost in Big Thunder that's disrupting gold mining and runaway trains are happening versus I think the original concept of Big Thunder is like this train has been maintained very poorly, so be careful getting on it. And that was basically the premise. There was no other character like a tyrant who ran the mining company or anything. It'd be weird if suddenly, oh, well, actually, there was a maniacal madman who started shrinking people and putting them into his teacups. And he invented a turntable machine to make them spin wildly to the point of dizziness, to throw people off and mess with their minds.

You're not just getting in a spinning. The cups are big and you spin around. But I don't know. like scott's because it connects the teacups and adventures through inner space and this is how you do it this is how you world build you know this is elsewhere in the magic kingdom because that's what they're saying about the sea show is that it's part of building the magic kingdom universe what did they what was this show release? Because there's going to be more of this nonsense.

This doesn't stop at sea. Favreau was working on a movie, like a Magic Kingdom movie a while ago, and it seems like that got show. Just like Mickey and Mickey. That's still passe. Who cares about movies anymore? What we need now is universes.

We need battalions of 200 films and shows and tiktok accounts i don't think they'll build an empire i don't i'm here's a guess my guess if we're talking like what they're going to do with tv i'm guessing that the show is not going to be about like 15 white colonizers don't think so i don't think that seems like a good idea for a show right now. Or maybe ever. Probably ever. So I assume what they're going to do is maybe take elements of a secret club and then try to tie it into famous ride things. That would be a guess. I don't know that to be sure.

They obviously have not spoken to Mr. Moore. It seems like you would want to take elements from all of the different parts of the parks and then tie them into, yeah, an idea of a secret club. Well, this is the speculation in this Hollywood Reporter article that I just pulled up announcing this Magic Kingdom TV universe in the works at Disney Plus. And Ron Moore is creating all this. So, yeah, the Magic Kingdom TV universe. There's so much more to go connecting all these parks things and they're this is pure speculation from unnamed sources that then they back off let me let me just read this because this is going to confuse the the

entire thing but also lend credence to what mike is saying it's not just gonna be this secret club of people who steal colonizers yes um the idea per sources is to explore characters like sea boat captain from the jungle cruise no punctuation or prospector from big thunder mountain or the climbers of the matterhorn for example as part of the society of explorers and adventurers to parenthetical to be clear none of these characters or storylines are currently on the table at this stage so what are the sources and are they just hollywood reporter just pulling this out of their asses because the the climbers of the matterhorn anybody can that's a real place and anybody can climb it that's why this free solo retconned into the in the sea yeah i mean i think maybe at the end of the first episode or the end of the first season, you

maybe want to have a kid sweeping up, and you learn that anybody can be a member of sea. Yeah. We did get the gripe leave broom boy alone. I know we did, but I like talking about broom boys, so I'm sorry. But we can invent new broom boys that are our invention.

We could do whatever we want with them, because anyone can invent a broom boy. That's correct. It always goes well when you... Ten more gripes flood in right now. It always goes well when you put a kid in a Star Wars movie. Actually, I joke. R2.

But as a kid, I really did like the Endor, the kind of made-for-TV Endor movies. Oh, yeah. I never saw them. Yeah. Are they... Oh, they're traumatic. Oh, no.

Yeah. It's... Yeah, characters definitely die in those. And that was upsetting. But they certainly wear on a lot on cable. Yes. So, I think... Yeah.

I think we're going to get a lot of... Like, you'll whatever property they're not thinking they're gonna do for a big movie like they've been they've been you know they floored it with the idea of doing Big Thunder or there was a pilot or something or at least a script for sure I think stuff like that they'll say okay now we're doing a Big Thunder

show and it has an element of one character is in a group in the C group or whatever. I don't know if it probably won't be just about Barnabas T. Bullion. Yeah. One thing is for sure. All these characters, if it's like prestige TV nowadays, all these characters got depression and they're going to say something epic and very modern, like in Enola Holmes.

That's where we all get our life lessons from. There'll be a clapback of some kind? Oh, there's going to be a lot of clapbacks. Will Barnabas T. Bullen clap back? Oh, yeah, he will. He will clap back. He will be like that CEO who made his salary $70,000 a year and made his employees.

He took a massive pay cut. My pitch would be for big thunder would be okay you know daniel plainview from there will be blood what if he clapped back and i think that's gonna sell it well it doesn't i mean killing somebody with a bowling ball is kind of a clap back you know i guess you know you're right it was before we were calling it that some might call it the ultimate clap back is bashing someone's skull in yeah you might call it that speaking of tv shows i found out while researching this that apparently there was a discovery bay pilot made that did not go and go anywhere starring pete renaday who has come up on the show a lot before probably i think most famously in the parks as the uh imitator of the james mason

captain nemo in um the uh 20 000 leagues ride in florida right um so yeah that did so they've tried yeah so so that's probably that could be back on the table as far as the Sea-verse. So I'm interested to see where Ronald Moore goes with this. And look, Ronald, look, if you're listening, which you are, come on, hook us up here.

I'll be a PA on it. I don't care. Actually, don't make me a PA on it. That's probably not good. Yeah. No, no, no. I polished a lot of old artifacts. I was a PA, and it's hard work. Yeah. I'm not knocking PAs.

It's just a pain in the ass. And now PAs are all in charge of COVID safety now, so you really don't want to do it. That's a good point. Oh, God. Poor guys. Okay, here's a little thing that happened with me okay so so we're talking about there was a reference made to meriwether pleasure and he's apparently a part of c i well well

pleasure island and the establishment the adventures club in it um are not that predates all of this it clearly was the source of uh long rambling backstories for what is ultimately a restaurant or a nightclub because that's where if you like if you don't know all this or if you a while back we did we covered pleasure island with paul sheer um yeah disney wanted to start a nightclub uh place to a downtown Orlando place called Church Street Station out of business. They wanted their, all right, let's just do nightclubs. And they did it. And instead of just, it's nightclubs.

It's this whole tale of this old merry weather pleasure. And he crashed his ship and he thought this will be the place where I was. I don't even remember what the backstory is exactly but like it's predates C in that it's a backstory that almost manifests itself in the experience nowhere

like then you're just in a 70s club called 8 Tracks and there's no reference made to this old man who would hold court and so that's the C philosophy starting I feel like And there's no reference made to this old man who would hold court. So that's the C philosophy starting, I feel like. Well, we talked about it on the episode.

Like there's plaques outside. Yeah, you gotta follow the plaques. And there were these plaques with just thick paragraphs of explanation. And this is all Rhodey. While he didn't invent C c he did do all this right like insane backstory to a nightclub where you put on like a funny afro wig and bell bottoms listen to casey and sunshine band um but so now here's all that brings me to this i uh i i was like well maybe i should do some research for this maybe i should learn more about c and that brought me to the wikipedia that is all about c there is a 100 c wiki and i

clicked around like well what are the most popular pages on this maybe that can find me some odd info and when i clicked on that i found one of the most popular pages is about the Funmeister. Now, the Funmeister, you guys probably know, but as a refresher, the Funmeister, and I have a little Parkstar toy of it. The Funmeister is the Pleasure Island moon guy. He is a bright yellow party dude who has a moon for a head. He is not Mac tonight from mcdonald's he is a different moon guy but he he loves fun and music just as much so my childhood awareness of the funmeister is like oh yeah so parents go to these nightclubs and there's this moon guy up on the sign and that's sort of where it begins and ends for most people. Not according to the C wiki, which let me know that the fun Meister is an ancient icon with all of this like backstory and meaning.

Let me I'll read as much of this as I can manage without getting bored. Getting bored The Funmeister, as roughly translated Ancient Germanic names called him Was an ancient being that drove Meriwether Adam Pleasure to establish Pleasure Island This half-faced moon icon Whose roots go back to the barbarians After the fall of Rome Symbolized individuality, the celebration of life And the sharing of laughter

While traveling in Mexico, Pleasure experienced A mystical vision of the Funmeister That told him to travel to central Florida. In 1911, after bringing his family down the barge canal system aboard a steamboat, Pleasure saw an ancient totem of the Funmeister on the shore. There he met a ghostly Seminole tribe informally known as the I-4 Indians that allowed Pleasure to set up. What? What is this nonsense? What do you mean he is like a he's a fun moon man there he is not an ancient totem and then on this wiki they show a photo

of like a wood carved version of the fun meister as if this was like this was carved by a seminal tribe and then but how does all this square with, like, then I saw artwork of the Funmeister, and he's just, like, in a zoot suit, leaning up against a wall and, like, dipping his sunglasses. Like, pick your mythology. Is he an ancient Indian thing, or is he a, is he like a cool bouncer?

Chester Cheetah. Yes, that's exactly how he's pictured otherwise. Mythology gets reinterpreted. It's like when you do a version of the Odyssey and it's about an American soldier in the Iraq War trying to get home to the city of Ithaca as opposed to the island of Ithaca.

What was that? What did that? I believe, I don't know if that was ever made, I think, was that a TV miniseries? There have been versions where it's just like, it's the story of the Odyssey and the trials and tribulations of Odysseus are like, it's World War II

or it's the Gulf War, you know? Right. Scott, are you saying, though, somebody came to you and said, I want you to write a detailed 50-year history for Mac Tonight and make a trilogy of films about Mac Tonight and its rise to becoming Mac Tonight? I think you're up for it. I don't know if he's a god of some kind. I mean, you feel free to pitch on it now or not.

I don't care. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I would love to learn the entire mythology of Mac Tonight, the cool piano playing moon from McDonald's. Certainly he's got there's like a lineage of musicians. Like, I think I think the piano playing is in his blood. Maybe there's sort of a Purple Rain thing going on. There's a complicated relationship with his father, who was also a musician but uh didn't you know like excel as

much as the sense that there's like a jealousy of mac who is now a popular uh restaurant icon so imagine like an old like an old bitter uh wrinkled moon man okay sadly drunkenly playing the piano and then throwing a bottle at mac. Right. And then... And Mac's saying, you can't treat me like this, daddy-o. And then does, like, Ronald show up at the end of the first movie, maybe? Oh, that's good. I'm putting together a night

menu. Yeah, that's great. Lane's flanked by Grimace. Grimace is wearing, like, a leisure suit. Yeah, he's the Agent Coulson. yeah that's great I mean by Grimace Grimace is wearing like a like a leisure suit yeah he's the agent Coulson Ronald is Nick Fury okay and

Grimace is agent Coulson okay yeah great yeah who's who I guess well Birdie has to be Black Widow I suppose I guess we're going original Avengers so I'm just saying you're right that's the

Funmeister's origin maybe a little bit convoluted a little bit yeah the problem is it's not rooted in what we know about the Funmeister which is that what do we know about him he wears a bow tie and he likes to dance I don't believe that he is an ancient totem

but hey this is what they gotta do. This is what you gotta do, but it's there if you want it. You don't need to know it to enjoy it. But that's what they gotta do to make theme parks. It's like I had to make this chart with like another 15 people we haven't addressed yet. Can we see the chart? Yeah, do you want to screen share it?

Yeah, I'll show you the chart. So here's the chart. They made it in Apple. You can put a table in Apple Notes. You made a table? Wow, a table. Because here is adjacent. Ferdinand, Magellan.

Oh, they're all, oh, wow. Oh, yeah. So the honorary members that show up in Fortress Explorations are real explorers. Sir Francis Drake, Leonardo da Vinci, Taika Brahe, Vasco da Gama, Cristobal Colombe, Ferdinand Magellan.

And there's also places where a sea handbook shows up, like the UK Pavilion, or a sea fez in Abracadabra. Well, okay, let me talk about this real quick. Abracadabra is related to sea, and I had no idea until today when I was looking all this up and there's a did you read the backstory about it jason i i read the backstory of abracadabra

the sea fez doesn't have a lot of backstory does it no but there's a there's a thing and i have to get out of this view oh yeah you're you unshare now we've seen the table abracadabra the magic themed bar at the Boardwalk Hotel is part of the Sea-iverse. Did you know that, Scott? It's part of the Sea-verse. I did not. Along with Cafe Hyperion, we already mentioned, both Trader Sam's, of course, have a lot of

sea connections. Okay, so this is the canon explanation of what happened at Abracadabra. This bar once acted as a lounge for some of the world's most famous magicians and illusionists. However, this all friday the 13th september 1940 when every magician inside disappeared without a trace and have never been seen again among the magicians props around this lounge is a c fez as we were saying indicating that one that one of the magicians may have been a member of the society. One of them? So, don't worry about the fact that all the magicians disappeared forever.

One of them may have been a member. We don't know that. Part of a weird club. May have been a member of C. Or they, I mean, they could have stolen the fez. As far as like canon, it's not clear. Like if you steal a fez and wear it, does that make you a member of sea or they i mean they could have stolen the fez as far as like canon it's not clear like if you steal a fez and wear it does that make you a member if you kill a member of sea do you become a member of sea i'm not exactly sure about any of this stuff but abracadabra

just has a little hint there i am i would be interested more in the actual like disappearance of all those magicians that seems interesting to me and maybe a little more interesting than just somebody finding a dirty fez an old dirty fez Jason what do you think about fez as a look is that I don't know it feels very very much like an affectation

no it'd be perfectly natural I bet do they sell fezes at Hong Kong Disney Disney, and Mystic Point? Probably, right? I would think. The Shriners are still around, right? The Shriners still wear fezes?

I mean, I'm sure that's not the best organization to get in. Is Abu a member? Jason? Of Sea or the Shriners? Of either one. Is Abu the monkey from Aladdin? I would say definitely not The Shriners? Of either one. Is Abu the monkey from Aladdin? I would say definitely not The Shriners. I don't know that there's much Aladdin connection.

The other big movie that's kind of adjacent, the sole fact of a picture, the Humphrey Bogart, Catherine Hepburn classic, The African Queen, is kind of adjacent to Sea due to this picture that hangs next to Bengal barbecue featuring Humphrey Bogart, Catherine Hepburn, and a photoshopped in Albert the monkey.

Pulling in. This is like Space Jam. Have you heard how Space Jam has Casablanca? Casablanca franchise. Yeah. Yeah. I should have said Casablanca. That's a better way to say it. Casablanca is in it I should have said Casablanca that's a better way to say it Casablanca is in it

what other properties are it Space Jam is now part of a greater Time Warnerverse HBO what's the company even it's a part of a greater AT&T Time Warnerverse Mad Max Fury Road I believe mentioned

and this is all, and none of this included, it's all separate from Ready Player One, which also throws everything into a blender. Like, it's, how do you talk about charts and spreadsheets? How do you figure out what

pop culture item is in which both corporate umbrella and universe? I've said this before and i know i didn't actually cause this but it is like when i was 10 i wished on a monkey's paw that all entertainment would turn into marvel comics and it's coming true it's like that is happening uh now here's i'll use that to to segue into a feeling. I like Sea a lot. I'm invested in it. I like it.

I do worry it's swallowing up the park whole and will maybe continue to swallow the whole park if there's a show that starts linking it to every, like, oh, did you know that the man who owns the confectionery on Main Street is a member? The candy striper? You think there's too many things being pulled in? I think so. That might be controversial, but I feel like maybe there's too many things now being pulled into it. I like, it's obviously a personal taste thing, but I like it when it's a little bit less, I don't know,

it feels like it's taking over versus a little bit more obscure do you know what i'm saying well yeah i think it is on the rise and we're only going to see more and more of it but i think the thing that's going to stop it at the end of the day is uh our dads not giving a shit about any of this that is where point me to the rides please well okay listen pop madame zarkov is what is an adjacent and i'd say an advisor to see because jason chandler consults with her in a letter in the the letter in the big thunder line and she was in the adventurous club she was a character there jason ch Jason Chandler mentioned she's at the Museum of the Weird, so that connects three things.

Jason, does your dad know about C? Because I think your dad of the three, my dad... Yeah, I think my dad might know a little because I've explained or I've pointed stuff out. My dad listens to the podcasts. I think he's probably listened to almost all of them. He's probably listened a lot. He was not very into this, I don't think, before.

Did he listen to that one last week where he complained about our parents? He's a little behind. He's been working from home, so I think he's a little behind. You know what? He would have mentioned it. I spoke with him earlier.

So I bet, I don't think he would have, he does not, he's not like a guy who would have probably known c before listening to this podcast yeah yeah so i think my mom would think it was neat i think if i started explaining all this to her and it ties all these things together i think she would as as as a teacher as an educator i think she would she would find it all clever it is all clever and we agree i, that it's all clever and fun. But yes, I am a little concerned with the sea-ification

of the Disney. I would like the idea that there's different little groups unrelated to each other. I mean, we've talked about there's the Tomorrowland in Tokyo sort of mini-universe kind of that links stuff together. It ties into Star you know, we've talked about there's like the Tomorrowland in Tokyo sort of mini universe kind of that links stuff together.

It ties into Star Tours a little bit, which I think I might have been, I forget if I was saying that episode, I would like to tie that into like Red Rocket, the owner of, presumably the owner of Red Rocket's pizza port. And I like that there's Ogas and Rex there and Rex ties a lot together. So like the space restaurant universe, I'm into. Yeah. But I would think you would want to keep something like Everest. I know Expedition Everest has a lot of backstory in the queue and stuff, but you would want

to keep that a little more pure. You want to keep some of those rides. You don't need to tie in. Jason, yes? I think it's already in canon a little insane but it's a little bit it's just little hints like so skipper canteen there's a lot of details in skipper canteen in orlando and the three books written by harrison hightower are references to joe rody they're called treasurer of the animal kingdom uh expedition everest colon in search of the yeti

and the last one i think is a pretty solid joke it's just called mine m-i-n-e exclamation point and that is kind of joke he is playing up on him being a pillager character um so there's a little everest i just don't think we don't need E.L. Everest, the owner of the mountain character. I don't think we need that is all I'm saying. Not E.L. Fudge, E.L. Everest. There's kind of blank slates for the TV writing staff. There's characters like in Tropical Hideaway and Skipper Canteen mentions characters S. Sheeho and Chef Tandaji.

And then in Skipper Canteen, there's Luana Texera. You are going to keep trying to say names throughout the rest of this episode. I don't know how these names are said. They're just written down. Anytime there's a lull, you just start saying names. A photographer. Now, going back to Hong Kong Disneyland, the Halloween overlays.

Professor Garrett Reed was the disgraced star, disgraced excommunicated member. Excommunicated by Dr. Henry Mystic. He is the star of Jungle Cruise, Curse of the Emerald Trinity. Emerald Trinity, excuse me. And then there was a show called horrors of the amazon which featured a character named jonas brisbane talking about how he was an aspiring member of

c he's a one jonas brisbane is a wannabe he's a hanner on he's never getting in the wannabe your holiday overlay shows you don't care you think you can uh hold water next to barnabas bullion yeah f off brisbane uh let's real real quick and we've alluded to this c is and i don't think they're seen like this but c is a bad organization right they're bad like they're bad well more secret clubs are bad organizations Organizations are, yeah. Isn't something in Scientology called Sea Org? Oh, yeah, yeah. Sea Org, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's weird. It is. I'll tell you that. It is weird. And it is. Elrond is kind of this sort of guy. He's not like a pillager, but he's like, he liked his boats and his weaving his tails.

Is the master in c oh i like that well i would love if the yeah if the philip seymour hoffman's character now the name's not coming to me but if he's in it and that fake elrond hubbard in that movie we talked about that that universal guy made like there was like, it was called like the church of scientific skepticism or something. Yeah. Like, like M M Ron blowhard or whatever parody name they used. Yeah. Well,

I mean, if you, if you start to make a Paul Thomas Anderson universe with the master, then you start, that gets so complicated. Cause like, well, if you include

inherent vice that includes the thomas pinch in universe right and the crying of lot 49 is all just different warring secret societies that it's not clear what most of them do how do the heim videos factor in well and then yeah where do the heim sisters start to play they are they show up at the end of one with drumsticks and then they just say like we're starting a band i guess a new band uh yeah so so back to my back to my thought though about c it's like if the group i think is is not portrayed as bad guys but if you have harrison hightower in the group you're a bad group he's he's like pure evil and and even if mystic is taking things from around the world he's still taking

the things he's still a rich guy like i i guess where i'm going with this is like what disney won't do is make a series about like 10 different Mr. Burns type characters who are comically evil and then eventually hopefully would get their comeuppance. I don't think that's going to happen. I think Disney doesn't see the characters like this, but let's be honest,

C is not a good group. They can't be all bad. They all deserve ironic punishments. most of them i think some are fine i think the soren lady she just likes she's a falconer and here seems nice hey this this bothers me too there should be a lady tyrant in this group you know yeah i think it is yeah they've they've made it so that the female characters are kind of like you know like kind and uh right redeemable but yeah maybe you do want like we got cruella coming out you know you want your you want your villain

i'm worried cruella's gonna like save the day at the end of that movie like i you know well it is a weird yeah does cruella end up bad the whole thing is about that she was good yeah at some point i'm just saying for true you know true equality uh uh you want ladies tyrants as well as male tyrants you know fiction not in real life you don't want that cinderella's mom can we know like can we find out that cinderella's mom was like a pillager she like stole that house that they live in yeah like kick somebody pulled some deed shit some legalities and stole that house if you um there's a bbc documentary series called can't get you out of my head it's from this guy adam curtis's documentary filmmaker made this big movie hyper normalization one of the characters he follows in this documentary

series was malcey dung's wife and she might be one of the characters he follows in this documentary series was mal se dung's wife and she might be one of the most evil people she's like out of her mind and and the whole the origin story is she is a failed actress with a lot of grudges to settle and this this is what happened like she rewrote epic chinese stories and operas to serve the revolution and then when people started to turn on her she turned like the young people against them like it's so crazy like she's the perfect kind of she's yeah she should be one of the evil people in c mr burt honestly mr burns could be in c now i'm thinking about it it because Disney owns. Disney owners, yeah. And Mr. Burns was alive for some of, Mr. Burns was on the earth at the same time as some

of the members of sea. Yeah. So I just, I think as fun as it is to see little plaques and to see the characters, I think that Disney should think of sea as villains. I think that's a more fun way to go, like, narratively. But I think C is going to be,

they're all going to be good, I have a feeling. I think it's going to be like Kingsman, where it's like the good guy secret spy agency, but then there'll be one or two traitors, there'll be one or two, you know, heels,

kind of like when, like, like, Sabretooth joins the X-Men for a few issues. Yeah. And then he starts killing people again you know they're all and look we own i think i said it earlier they're all gonna be hot every yeah that's where there's no way this is a bunch of old men

right not happening right i i might i guess i maybe are i'll speak for myself my dream show the bunch of old people who are really bad, like being bad and you enjoy it for a while, and then they just get their comeuppance. I don't think that's the show. The show is going to be like sexy, spicy, and they're doing cool stuff. And they can't like kiss or anything because it's Disney, and they stay away from sexuality completely.

It can't be Riverdale, but it'll just be other. Like here they're doing good things around the world the hottest guy named barnabas you've ever seen they call him like barn barney barn i'm not barney barney still like barn maybe come on barn uh i'll be i'm very excited for the episode where jason chandler discovers human growth hormone so everyone at sea can get like exactly jacked like exactly the same way jacked it's like uh yeah river river pills or something magic river juice the enchanted spring yes that's okay that's much better yes come and drink from the enchanted spring it will make you more vascular well that's what all those old pulp care all those like doc

doc samson and stuff like they all figured and even like i think the the early batman comics where like he became a peak physical specimen or like found some sort of serum that gave him super strength and endurance uh there's always a lot about endurance super soldier serum super soldier america took it yeah yeah always a serum but really all they mean is just hgh human growth yeah that's right the same thing that many of your favorite stars are on right now as we speak they're doing a cycle of hgh to get prepared for a new movie role. The real superhero origin story now, yeah, it's HGH, and it's lean meats, very little carbs, some greens.

How do you think they go from giant to much less giant in a different movie? Come on, wake up, folks. I don't know why I'm arguing with somebody who's objecting to this. Who's denying the use of... I can just hear thousands of people saying no i don't believe it they just they put another five pound weight on each weight and they did it they got big um

well what then maybe do we need to like flesh out what is an example of something we want like what is it what does one of these characters do that is bad and it wouldn't be that bad because we don't want to see like inflicting pain on native populations and that kind of thing unless the punishment is just an immediate but like you know it is it does have to be in that mr mr burns blocking the sun vein right well it's yeah it's like stealing yeah he's stealing like harrison itower is stealing stone head and sure something or that's pretty good thing else right yeah he's making who's the assistant who's his uh smelting smelting he makes smelting carry each stone he gets smelting too much of the magic serum it makes him very strong forces smelting

to take stonehenge out block by block so he can put it in his front yard and nobody else can have access or he just it's uh maybe he has his tower right so he goes up on the seventh floor of the tower or the 13th floor the unlucky floor and he puts stone edge inside this is in my building now but it's too heavy and all the stone edge blocks crash through all of the subsequent floors and destroy the building yeah that's good yeah that's good and then i bet the lord henry mystic probably the professor x kind of character, Nick Fury, kind of sending, probably sends Jason Chandler and either Barry O'Shaneer or Camelia Falco as like, you two are going in to stop this.

Albert, keep an eye on them. Okay, so they have to like look out for each other or try to like, and maybe keep the organization under wraps. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think if you want to make your lord henry mystic or other characters like not evil you probably cut down on them taking stuff from different cultures that would be my that would be my punch up henry mystic is going to learn about people and maybe he gets gifted

things at the end or you know sharing his wisdom and their exchange of ideas and then he brings that back to his house as opposed how about this what if it's people who did who like went uh all right they know people who went and bought things fair and square at uh marketplaces they put money into the local economies and then the sea people like hightower they all like wait for things to be brought back to like a block away from where they live and then they go like sneaking into people's houses and steal them for this and act like they got it um like i'm trying to pull falco in this falco woman and if we want unredeemable fema she could send that bird to go steal salt you mean salty

uh no no no not salty the other the falcon well sorry sorry no any anybody can send any of their animals to go steal gems and rubies from places bring them back for their own i want all the animals to be evil everybody's evil okay everyone's salty's the evilest of all i realized

did you guys come across Barnabas T. Bullion's assistant? Nope. Oh, no. Oh, baby. Here we go. Barnabas T. Bullion's assistant has a name and the name is Willikers. Well,

now, come on. Willikers. Now, Jason Sheridan could easily play willikers please i would love to play both and then there's little jokes of like i feel like i've met you before couldn't be me sir listen to that voice he just did couldn't be me so it is very time accurate yeah i've already spent much of quarantine growing a mustache, you know? Halfway there. George, getting curlier.

Once you can get that thing to flip up, you can get any of these parts. And certainly Willikers had a mustache. It was more of like a Wild West. I can share a screen and show you what Willikers look like. He's, of course, one of my favorite characters in fiction immediately here he is george what so his name is g willikers that is correct that's pretty cute scott is that too cute for you i guess i can give it up for g willikers all right scott that's official scott gives it up for g willikers that's fine i give it up we have

talked a lot on this podcast about our characters cute but we have not dissected a lot of is this phrase cute and i think we all agree that that's a cute phrase sure uh to use for a character we should say instead of profanities gee willikers that tease me off yes because we're members of sun who are very nice and obedient and follow the rules against cursing you know sometimes there's the discussion what episode of pockets are do you start with this one i can definitively say no not this one not this one start with the one with a bunch of lists of name even they themselves are in a group and then they make up a bunch of groups that they'd like to see this is the episode of the most capital letters this is history of the show this is gonna have i think they count podcast listens by if you

completed it and this is gonna have a maybe like a couple 10 maybe 10 at most who actually finished it i think a normal amount of people will start it in earnest and go oh i see i'd love to learn more about it and they've maybe by the end of throwing their phone out the window you two are fun and this was demand we were demanding we're a few people thought we were gonna drop what we're doing every week some news happens do see sons of bitches we will yeah i mean they wanted to hear us discuss the fact that auntie's beach house kids club in alani has a reference to c because it has a a letter from pamela perkins that references c member harrison hightower and it's on adventurers club stationary and it's on adventurers club stationary and that they had to hear that

professor garrett reed was seeking out a legendary set of jewels known as the emerald trinity a set of jewels that was hidden at the altar of souls at the temple of immortality uh i don't what is any of that and also the one thing to pull from all that though is this guy garrett reed this disgraced guy, he was looking for jewels. Right. I wonder what do you think he wanted to do with them jewels? He maybe wanted to suck them jewels.

Maybe Garrett Reed wanted to be sucking those jewels. Now, hold on a minute. You have a problem with the sea continuity, but you're going back in podcast continuity. You don't think that's so fun? There's all kinds of people who like to suck damn jewels. Sure. Bugsy is not a member of Sun. I can definitively say that.

That's why we spar with him so much. He is a different, yeah, he is in whatever our podcast's canon evil group is. Bad. It's Nick Mundy and Bugsy in a different group. And according to listener feedback, Jesse Farrar. Because he said once he doesn't like theme parks. He's now the biggest villain in the history of the show.

It is a fearsome group, the Injustice... For now, right now, I'm calling them the Injustice Gang, which is the name of the DC villains, but we'll punch that up at a certain point. Wait, if it's... Decency was bad, right? Bad. How do we...

Let's figure that out. Boys Against... Decency. Oh, yes. Very good. Wow. Fantastic. I was going to say Disney, but that limits it too much. Yeah, Boys Against Decency. Yeah, yes. Very good. Wow. Fantastic. I was going to say Disney, but that limits it too much. Yeah, Boys Against Diesel.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, great. So we have Sun and Bad. Sun Wars with Bad. Bumper Car Boys are definitely part of Bad. I'm still scared we're going to meet them one day. Yes. I know this episode should just be us

unleashing every dumb piece of canon we have on the audience to really see if we can get them to turn it off. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see if we can. Let's see. Okay, what else?

What other facts, first of all, do I have here? Oh, the United Kingdom pavilion has a reference to sea. It's got the hand of the fake handbook, yes. Has the fake handbook, yes, of course. What do you mean fake? What does that mean? It's a fake.

Well, it's like a bookshelf. It's like a painted ceramic bookshelf, and they paint. There's a lot of fake books in Skipper Canteen written by sea members or their fezes, their ceremonial fezes. Are the books fake in that, like everything's fake in a theme park or are people writing fake books in canon? No, it's that, well, it's books within the universe,

but we perceive them just as like ceramic or plaster. Okay, we perceive them. This is like that, what is tune stuff made of again yeah our tune is our tune items and chairs soft or not well or or their actual books like i can't picture it it's actual books they bought at like an estate sale and then painted over for it to be like more of a prop right an actual uh book i think everyone should say the last things that are fun to them on their list of things and then we should then we should mike has a wrestling yeah scott blame it on my wrestling for the reason you want

to get out of here we do have a time cap i I will say, this is such a condensed amount of information. The listener really should not have to listen to it for two hours. So yeah, I'm going through and seeing. We really didn't talk about Magellan's, which is the restaurant in DisneySea. Okay, here's how stupid I am. I did not eat at Magellan's. I did not really explore it.

I didn't even realize there was a whole crazy underground thing by mount prometheus which is like another thing that's it's kind of like um what would you call it an explorer an area to explore there's a thing called the chamber of planets which just watching the video is this cool like observatory type thing that looks very expansive and i go what the fuck was this where did i miss this i was there i went in this there's like a thing that there's a place with a lot of optical illusions and little like models and been boats to play with i i think i did this uh i i missed this and i'm looking through it and it's like this is so cool whether it's even tied to sea or not um uh so yeah so so looking on the others various youtube videos to see just sort

of how much cool stuff again without the actual c backstory is associated is impressive and it's not all fake books is my point this is all tokyo disney is the is responsible we maybe haven't said that that tokyo the when toky Tokyo DisneySea came into being, that's where they planted the seeds of this. Maybe without a plan to tie it all together, but this notion of this organization started there, and it's only grown and grown.

Yeah, and those Imagineers that are drawn in some of the Mystic Banner portraits, Rob Coltrane and Joe Lansacero, I think were some of the mystic matter portraits ropped coltrane and joe lance acero i think were some of the big like drivers of like you know they were they were working on this stuff and they're like oh let's connect it to this stuff and and so some of the early proponents there is an immense amount of cool stuff that's been done in the parks in this genre sort of like it did adventure explorative like some of the best stuff disney's done recently is in this world so it is a nice tribute to uh you know to all

these great attractions that have come into being since uh 2001 and i did find it cool when when yeah when you're in that area that the uh in tokyoSea, you're in the birthplace of sea. That's where this whole weird mythology started. And I did think, oh, that's cool. I came all the way to Tokyo, and this is a little outpost of this thing. And then you could go to Florida and see some of it. It is like a weird little collect-em-all. I have to experience every facet.

It rewards your world traveling if you go to all these parks across the globe. And it is it is nice speak and as much as i said like i don't want it to like swallow up everything it is nice because it's not in your face it's not like you have to take a little quiz on what barnabas t bullion's intentions were before you get on big thunder mountain so it is choose your own level of getting involved with it it's like if you it, you want to read all the plaques and you enjoy that, you can, but it's not a necessity as far

as getting on these rides or eating a quick service meal. Yeah, and there's an interview with Lance Acera where he talks about creating this universe, creating this believable backstory and a world history. And it's fun, but it and a world history and it's fun but

it's got a purpose and it's just kind of like to help them while they're making the attraction like flesh out the world a little and like inspire other ideas to like you know uh make the the attraction feel more fleshed out and lived in yeah so we like c i think we do like C don't get us wrong it will be very interesting to see it adapted for streaming TV because theme park adaptations are like

so hit and miss for the most part you know the only question is how hot will the members of C be that's the only question I have and hot will the members of CB? That's the only question I have. And I'd like them to turn the dial up on it. It can't be Riverdale level, I guess,

but I want, yes, as hot as possible, please. Get casting. Let's keep maximum age on any of these people. 24. Right. Yes. Before skin starts to degrade Like it does on my Face well it depends on

Who's consulting is it the Lucas Film doctors or is it the Marvel doctors Because Star Wars universe a little grittier a little Dirtier and that feels more appropriate For like an world adventuring Like dusty kind Of world but the Marvel is very glossy yeah Well let's see feige is kevin

feige is only making 12 shows and five movies a year i think he can oversee it yet another cinematic universe here so maybe and he's a big look kevin feige is a big parks fan i know this is a fact uh so i think he probably would be interested in getting in here and having to produce another 10 series a year and 5 films so yeah why not put more on the man's plate let's do it and Kevin come on the show as well

come on the show and if you do you will meet the obvious choice to play G Willikers and Smelding alright choice to play g willikers and what smelled it smelled it smelleding all right he's gonna be both and new character created by scott earlier in the episode ip freely the toilet magnet jason sheridan is ip freely sure i dream of a place where there are no limits placed on where i urinate

and if you if you want to know is i pee freely on a cycle of hgh and a cycle of steroids the answer is fuck yeah he is huge jason sheridan is huge oh yeah sure why not again just as long as the doctor is overseeing everything you know it's okay yeah yeah dr feel good as yeah all right you survived podcast the ride dense mythology edition uh i have a headache i have a headache we'll try to uh present uh supplementary materials and visuals so you can understand everything that was just said somewhere on our social media between Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. And if you're adventurous enough for three bonus episodes a month, go to setyourcompasstothesecondgateatp at patreon.com slash podcast the ride um well uh gentlemen another successful meeting of sun has commenced let's do the sun uh official goodbye phrase is it just conga luge it is uh it is uh conga luge? Or like, what's more polite?

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