Podcast: The Ride - Shrek 4-D with Griffin Newman

Episode Date: December 13, 2019

P:TR Legend Griffin Newman (The Tick, Blank Check Podcast) returns to talk about the cultural impact of Shrek, the Shrek that never was, and the next generation streaming service we're all dyring to check out! Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: http://foreverdogpodcasts.com/plus Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular episode now up at The Second Gate: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forever Dog Rec4D. Better out than in. It's Podcast The Ride, the only podcast presented in digital stereophonic ogre sound. Nice. I'm Scott Gardner, joined by Jason Sheridan. Thank you, Mike Carlson. Yeah, I'm here, and I'm in ogre sound as well. Yeah, I'm always, not just this episode. You're always in ogre sound. Because today we are continuing the 3D film symposium, and I'm so happy we get to do it,

and that our guest for this series is back once again from the tick and blank check, Griffin Newman. We're closing out the trilogy. The wait is ogre, one could say. Wow. Yes, it is ogre. That was the tagline for one of them. For three or four. I imagine. I think so, yeah.

Because you did have to wait. There was three years in between each Shrek movie. Animation takes a while. It takes a while. It took even longer when this first one came out. I heard a crazy stat, which is that Katzenberg was, you know, anytime they found any degree of success with any DreamWorks property, he would just milk it

from every angle possible, as quickly as possible. And they went into production on Shrek 2 two months after Shrek 1 came out. Jeez. Yes. Wow. Which I wonder if they were so confident that they had a script ready or if he was like, you have two months to give us a script that is ready to start animation.

Or he just walked into the animators and was like, start animating. Well, what do you want us to do? It doesn't matter. Shrek's involved. He farts and the donkey's there. There is a story that I think it's Dan Harmon talked about on an episode of his podcast, I want to say. Or it might have even been, he wrote like an article about what it's like to write on an animated movie.

Wow. Where he came in to Kung Fu Panda and they showed him like all the storyboards on the wall. And they were like, you can only change 30% of this. So you can pick 30% overall of the story to throw out, or you can change 30% of each scene. Oh, because they were measuring 30% in dollars. Right.

For example, in Shrek, they threw out $4 million worth of animation when Mike Myers wanted to come back and redo the lines in a Scottish accent. We're going to get into all this, but Shrek is kind of fascinating as the Titanic of CGI animation, where it was the one where they kept on funneling money in,

and it seemed cursed. And saved DreamWorks. Yes, and it saved them. It made them a player when they were not previously so much. Road to El Dorado apparently almost killed them. And Sinbad comes out, I think, the year after Shrek. And like, if Shrek had not worked, Sinbad would have fully folded everything.

Killed the entire thing. Like, Shrek is sandwiched in between two hand-drawn boys-like adventure films. Oh, yeah. Dictating that this is what we do. And no one was biting on those. Well, but the weird thing was the exact same time is Disney doing

Treasure Planet and Atlantis. Like early 2000s was everyone being like, fuck, CGI is a thing now. We're not going to do princess musicals. Now it's like boys adventure films and hand-drawn animation. What triggered this? Why did everyone say that?

No idea. Well, it's probably because stuff in Disney was starting to fail a little bit. Their formulas were failing. So I think they were probably just trying to figure it out. I don't know this to be a fact, but this is a guess. They had their formula for the early 90s, and then it sort of started to taper off. Tarzan, I guess, was a bit of an upswing in terms of box office performance from the couple before it. So maybe they took that and ran with it.

Right. It was like, okay, they like a boys adventure now. Yeah. That's what everyone likes. But it's weird that like Disney did like two like sci-fi, like futuristic movies. And then like DreamWorks did these two like swashbuckling, like boys will be boys movies. They all merge in my brain i'm like seeing a frankenstein of characters from all four of those movies and not individual characters from the i

don't know who's el dorado versus who's treasure planet yeah but you know the john resnick song from treasure planet i'm still here about this why did we talk about this we're talking about the rockinest moments in theme park history on the Patreon. And he performed it at a Disney special. We did not declare that. Check out the Patreon. We did not declare that the rockinest moment. I'm still here.

I'm still here. Jim's theme. I think you made a joke on the episode that was like, who even knows who played Jim? Like you were like, Jim, I don't know who Jim is. Who voiced Jim? Assuming that it like, Jim, I don't know who Jim is. Who voiced Jim? Assuming that it was some Disney star of the moment, that was sort of, like, the tone in which you spoke. Can I guess?

Because is it Tom Cavanaugh? Jim was played by Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Whoa. So it's kind of a Cavanaugh. Kind of in that, like, skinny, like, guy. Maybe hadn't, like, broken ahead of the pack. Yeah. It was weirdly, it was, like, right like right after like Third Rock from the Sun ends.

And in the period where he was like, I question whether I want to keep acting. And I walked away from acting for three years. And then he came back with like brick and mysterious skin and was like a serious actor. But like Treasure Planet was this remnant of his like child star days that just didn't get released because of how long the animation is. Until he was like, I don't know if i might leave this wait we also oh no sorry oh i was gonna say i i think the thing too with animation because this is this sort of parallel thinking or like two things coming out simultaneously like people jump studios and uh companies so much and like, oh, they didn't really use this kernel of an idea. I pitched for this project, so I'll do it over here. And that like happens in animation.

That happens in comic books, too. Like they're relaunching the X-Men at Marvel and they're relaunching the Legion of Superheroes at DC. Both involve characters in different ways who have seen like alternate time. Like if you do this, this is what's going to happen. I've seen it and, and I'm living a life, a different life now.

But if we do something different, something else will happen. Both of those. Captain America and Batman both like died within six months of each other, like 10 years ago. Yeah. It's very weird. That parallel.

Well, and DreamWorks and Pixar were notorious with that, where you have ants in a bug's life, both in 98. The furthest apart one is Shrek and Monsters, Inc. in 2001, where they're very different movies, but they're both CGI monster movies. Bulbous creatures, yes. And then it's Finding Nemo and Shark Tale.

Oh, yeah. And then I think there's one more, and then DreamWorks kind of went like, we got our thing. We can stop picking the same sandbox that they're in. They did the Unbelievablys next to the Incredibles. Right, right. Hey, wait.

While you mentioned the references we made to animated films in passing. Yes, I emailed you about this. Yes, we stepped in. I think one of us, it might have been me, I don't remember. Somebody said no. You said this. I remember and I hold it against you.

Sorry, I'm scarring you with something coming from my voice. I said something about nobody cares about Paranorman. Right, in the Amanda Lund episode, she said that she had played Paranorman at Universal. And you said, wow, you probably care more about Paranorman than anyone else in the world. You might be the only person who has strong feelings about Paranorman. Which sounds really harsh when you quote it. It didn't feel harsh saying it. It was a light, jovial tone, and I was not, I don't think I came on aggro.

No, not at all. We were emailing about schedule this, and I just said, look, Scott, I want you to know, I happen to consider Paranorman to be one of the 10 best films of the decade, period. Wow. Geez, period. Did Jason and I trashed Paranorman, or did we not say anything? No, no comment. Both you guys came out clean. Thank God.

No comment. I feel like in a very early episode of this podcast, there was a Paranorman joke run. Really? But I don't remember the context. I don't remember anything about it. It might have just been about how Universal had the maquettes of paranormal sure out for a while yeah yeah i just had a flashback when you were saying that to when doug joan when i had made a listener and a guest doug jones so upset by saying pizza rizzo was bad well and then i immediately was like oh no you reopened the wound

that was the thing i invoked it when i came on the show but that episode hadn't come out yet so then i confidently doubled down all the things i didn't know you had said and then i felt so bad for doug who i have not met i don't know it was great and uh it's like uh yeah you didn't realize you weren't like trying to like throw gasoline on the fire absolutely not but then my episode comes out like a week after that episode where he comes on and defends Pizza Rizzo so valiantly. And look, in my defense, I did not go to the disco room. Yeah. And we're, well, by this point we will have been. By this point we will have been to the disco room at Pizza Rizzo.

Oh, yes. I'm not going to eat there, but I will walk through it. I don't think that's even what it's about. It's about theming. So not at the moment of recording, but by the time this episode comes out, you will have done your Orlando stop. Yeah, this is way in advance. We also will have survived the downtown Disney ordeal by the time we're jumping way ahead here. Yeah, this is a future one.

We're different people. Also, we are, by the time people are hearing this, they will have also heard our journey through another Eddie Murphy vehicle, the Haunted Mansion. Oh, good point. Which we haven't recorded yet in this timeline. I am on my second cup of coffee tonight because I have it from the library at home. You need to watch it tonight. And the clock is ticking before we leave for Chicago.

Do it on a plane. Oh, no, it's library. It's a library DVD. If it push comes to shove, yeah, I'll just rent it from iTunes. Perfect library DVD. Perfect free.

We had a working lunch and right afterwards I walked to the library and got it. But then that night I went into my backpack and freaked out because I'm like,

why is there a fucking DVD in here? And I pulled it out and I'm like, oh, The Haunted Mansion. Why did you freak out? Spooky DVD because I'm like, why is there a fucking DVD in here? And I pulled it out and I'm like, oh, the Haunted Mansion. Why did you freak out? Spooky DVD. I was like, why is there a... You know when you're like, I kind of know what's in this bag

and you feel like... I would be like, oh, that's interesting. There's a thing in here I didn't know. Oh my god! I think I've ever been spooked by the contents of my own backpack. Alright, well, I was exaggerating for the sake of you. Fine. That's fine. You didn't jump up in the air.

You didn't leave a puff of smoke that was in your shape. No, it was more like, what the hell? Your hair stood straight up. Can I tell an embarrassing anecdote about the Haunted Mansion movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah, please.

So I went to see it. The Friday it came out. My high school at a theater, I would get out early. My freshman year of high school, I think, friday it came out uh my my high school at a theater uh i i would get out early my freshman year of high school i think was when it came out and i had an early uh final class on fridays and there was a matinee pricing at the local theater so it would be like if my if i'm out by lunch i can go see a movie at like one o'clock and it will only cost me six dollars cool so like whatever the friday thing was i would i would go see it so i like 1 o'clock, and it will only cost me $6. Cool, cool. So like whatever the Friday thing was, I would go see it. So I went to see Haunted Mansion with my friend Charlie,

and about halfway through the movie, just about when things were starting to get haunted, because there's way too much windup in that film. Yes, that was exactly. Way too much. I don't want to spoil, since we still have to do the episode, but truly, I don't know if you've watched it yet as we record this. Not yet.

But there is a, yeah, my wife and i had this big run of time we're like what nothing's happened it takes an hour for like a ghost yeah there's no like plot point no it's no it's like real estate intricacies it's a lot of fucking shoe leather yeah get ready it's a lot of real estate bullshit but i'm sitting there i'm like oh finally ghosts ghouls goblins this shit's about to get good. And then my phone starts blowing up and I'd forgotten it was my father's birthday. And I was supposed to meet my family for like an early dinner or whatever. I don't know what time it was, I guess.

But I was supposed to meet my family to have dinner. And so I always forget when my father's birthday is. Everyone else in my family, their birthdays are in quick succession. They're very close to each other. My father's birthday is at the other end of the year, and I always forget when it is. So I always need to check the release date of Haunted Mansion when I need to, like, I-cal in. I believe. Oh, I'm putting you on the spot.

Yeah, you have to re-look it up. Because usually I look it up. I believe it's November 26, 2003. I'm sorry, it is not October? Yeah, why is it not October? Nope. Way late. What?

Way late. Was that the Thanksgiving release? Yeah. Yeah, it was the Thanksgiving release. So I think it's the 26th. I know my father's birthday is within that week. Yeah. It's within that span of like between the 22nd's the 26th i know my father's birthday is within that week yeah it's within that span of like between the 22nd and the 29th i have to say my mom's is just an unmemorable

date like my dad's is more like math symmetrical so i remember it my mom's is an unremarkable set of three numbers my mother my grandmother my two siblings and i are all born within between january and march well so those are like easy to remember because it's like every two weeks another birthday and my dad is like this like haunted mansion loser all the way back in november 26 of 2003 wow um back to paranormal that's an amazing statement and i have not seen paranormal i have no problem with paranormal i just did it's ignorance on my part we're uh my my co-host on Blank Check, David Simms and I are big fans of making

lists. And so we're preparing for next year we're gonna do our best of the decade episode. So I've been actually running through year by year and trying to call and coming up with rough draft lists and nothing is locked in. But I will say

every version I've come up with so far, Paranorman is in my top 10 period for the decade. Wow. Which, you know, I would say it's not an unpopular opinion. It's just an opinion not widely held because I feel like most people have not seen it. But it is for my money the best American animated film of the decade. Wow.

Yeah. Oh, so it potentially is like, there's a world where it's on the list and the only animated film on the decade. Wow. Yeah. Oh, so it potentially is like, there's a world where it's on the list and the only animated film on the list, or one of two. As of now, I think it's the only animated film on my list, and I'm a big animation fan.

Jeez. Are you a Laika fan in general? I'm a huge Laika fan, but that's far and away my favorite. Okay. I love them overall, but that was the one for me where I was like,

oh shit, they're cooking with gas um aesthetically it's my favorite and i also feel like um it is it's tough to talk about because the thing i like about the movie so much is like half of the way through you're like oh this is about an entirely different thing than i thought it was whoa okay and not in sort of like a plot twist way but like a thematic like deepening way and i think it is about a very weird nuanced thing that very few films try to tackle let alone family films okay and for me the moment where i just realized like oh shit this is what this movie's expounding on it kind of blew my mind and i think it it's about morally murky shit in a way that

doesn't back away. I love Pixar, but I feel like it is a less tidy package than any other American animated film I've ever seen in terms of dealing with a really fucking complicated thing.

I don't want to oversell it. I will see it. I would like to formally apologize on behalf of Scott when he said that Paranorman is not cinema and that it is a theme park ride. That'd be the ultimate compliment for me. Were you guys offended when Scorsese said that because it was demeaning to theme park rides?

That occurred to me. He can say that about Marvel films. Who gives a shit? But how dare he denigrate the enchanted Tiki Loon? I was surprised how many people I saw, like comedians on Twitter going, but theme parks are fun. Like, I don't really like Marvel movies,

but theme parks are fun. I was like, oh, people starting to show their theme parks are good. Oh, right. I like this. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I was just like, yeah, yeah, he's right. And I like all of that. Our friend Ryan Perez doubled down on defending Scorsese and went a little further in insulting

the broad appeal of theme parks. And I was a little like, hey, he's a friend. We'll get in. We'll corner him on this. Yeah, let's get him in here and really rough him up. I don't want it all to be theme parks. I also want it to be Martin Scorsese movies. I think that's the valid point.

And that's why I appreciate him doubling down on it. Because he's like, no, I shouldn't get fucking roasted for saying I don't like these movies. It's not like he came out and gave a stump speech. Someone asked him in an interview, do you watch Marvel films? And he was like, not really. This is the trope. Not unlike my paranormal debacle here.

You pull the quote out and it does seem like, oh boy, that does seem harsh. If Martin Scorsese gathered the press and said, I have a statement. Marvel films are not, it's just something he said during. I have that problem with like clickbaity articles in general but like it's not as if he like you know what i'm gonna do

i'm gonna shout this from a hilltop no i mean my big takeaway from that quote blowing up the way it did was oh no one should do interviews ever and i love interviews like i am such a fan of interviews i feel like i grew fan of interviews i feel like i grew up reading interviews i feel like you guys are probably the same as like we're the same type of obsessive dork who want to learn everything about the things we love oh yeah and the best way to like more valuable than any film school or education is like totally like getting into the when i realized like oh yeah let me get into the head of a creative person i really yeah interview magazine or like in comedy,

and Here's the Kicker, and Dissect the Dead Frog, the sequel. Yes, I've already read this. Very good. I love shit like that. That's like the cornerstone of podcasts. And right, it's not just like,

oh, here are the anecdotes about how this thing got made, but you're like hearing the person speak in their own words, whether it's transcribed or an audio so you're getting like their version of the thing uncut yeah i love it as like a medium and i have become increasingly convinced that it is in no one's best interest to do any interview promoting anything like it just feels like it nine times out of ten fucks them over well yeah

because now especially because in the old like if you go back and look at magazines with interview like with anybody music people or or actors or directors yeah in the old days you'll find insane stuff insane shit that no one even talks about right because it was just in a magazine and everyone went oh that's weird put the magazine aside but like every all these film places are like oh martin scorsese talking about marvel is going to make everyone nuts. And they're right. It did make everyone nuts.

But he didn't think too, other than going like, I'm annoyed that there's too many of these movies in the theater. Right. He didn't really think much past that. But some of it was also like him saying, you know, that these movies have to appeal to ages 8 to 80, international audience. Yes. The stuff that theme park stuff has to do right which is a different uh skill and process than making like bob and carol and ted and alice like making a grounded like which is the nuance of what he was trying to say that

got totally lost which is like he's not saying that they're bullshit yeah he's saying that they're not cinema in the way that he considers cinema but like that's that's not as much a judgment of quality as it is sort of like a reflection of process and their role in like society you know well i think the other thing is that is bad about the maybe wider bigger picture is bad about the marvel movies is what you were saying about katzenberg like milking stuff is yes when people saw these interconnected giant movies universe movies every idiot tried to do like dark universe like yeah these giant ep and you have to have so much, like as much marketing as production budget. It's just like huge.

You have to have so much money to get something made now. And, you know, to, I don't want to get off the tangents, but to just recenter for a moment before we go back to tangents. The ogre in the room. Shrek for me is a perfect example of that where it's like Shrek the first one is like doesn't hold up great, kind of innocuous. But my sort of perception of Shrek is so negative now because everything Shrek wrought. And not just the sequels, but just you got, like, ten years of every non-Pixar CGI movie being, like, one arched eyebrow, like, pop culture reference. The main character looks like the actor playing them. DreamWorks space. DreamWorks space.

Right. Like, all that shit and then like every other studio starts their own animation studio trying to copy dreamworks like that becomes the template that everyone's like these movies that we don't think about anymore that don't exist it also seems like that's where we went from we've certainly talked about animated films veering to celebrity voices who know who who cares about who cares if it's a celebrity or not but and how robin williams opened the floodgates on that but there was a time okay so even still robin and then it becomes uh maybe there's one big star star and then the rest are very good voice actors shrek is where it becomes the big the list Those are four titans. I mean, the main poster was just 90% white text, Myers, Murphy, Diaz, Lithgow,

and then Shrek at the bottom. There were little photos of their faces. But the main Shrek poster was just name, name, name, name, title, credit block. And that leads us to today where there's like two separate stints in each trailer where here's like two separate stints in each trailer where they, where like, here's nine,

here's our nine celebrities. And then here's our nine more celebrities. I think that's like sort of a sub issue I'm realizing within the celebrity stunt casting is like, we need to, this list needs to be fucking crazy. But what child? Jay DeVito, Martha Stewart, Dr. Cornel West, The Noid. But now it's that weird thing also of like,

right, it's like, okay, so there was the occasional Robin Williams-y stunt casting. But then there are things like, even in the 90s when Katzenberg is starting to put bigger stars in Disney movies, there are things where you're like, oh, right, Mel Gibson was John Smith in Pocahontas?

That was not really a selling point, and no one remembers that. The chicken and chicken run. Theas. Yeah. Like, that was not really a selling point, and no one remembers that. The chicken in Chicken Run. Right. The, like, heist one. The breakout guy. But then those movies, like, everyone else in the cast is, like, Chicken Run is just, like, British sitcom actors.

Yeah. You know, like, the rest of the cast of Pocahontas is, like, voiceover actors or, like, theater actors. And then you get to, like, you'll have this weird balance where it's, like, Hunchback of Notre Dame is, like, Dem is like demi moore and kevin klein who are like big at that moment and then tom holce yeah or you're like tom holce is the lead of this film 15 years after amadeus yeah why is that him maybe i think he's good in it he is but there was like still a balance of like oh let's get people who are like the right person for the role or let's get David Odgen Stiers

who's a voiceover pro and then some big 90s movie stars. And then Shrek is just full stop. It's four huge names. The movie is sold on their names. The trailers have the footage of them in the booth holding the one headphone up to their ear.

Like it's We Are The World. Now it's... But now none. Yeah. Now it's, but now none of this is a bad thing, I don't think, because I don't think any of them are phoning it in. No. Clearly, Meyer's not for going,

I need to re-record. Like, he's invested. I think they're all very good in it, but it certainly leads to, oh, shit, this SNL guy has like an hour and a half

between movies. Let's grab him. Let's add him to the list. All right, throw him in the woodpile. Shark Tale is the nadir of it for me, where I just remember the poster being like 18 names. Including Mr. Scorsese. Including Mr. Scorsese, where it's like, oh, it's a blowfish that looks like Scorsese. It has the eyebrows.

The shark looks like De Niro. It has the mole on the face. Like the fish looks like Angelina Jolie. She has the lips. The Will Smith it has the mole on the face like the fish looks like Angelina Jolie she has the lips the Will Smith fish has the ears like everyone's like fish is some weird Mr. Limpet abomination of their

like persona mapped on to some sort of sea creature and everyone's just kind of doing their own voice because the whole bit is like just do your fucking thing do the thing that you do and it's like it's like fucking you know it's just cashing in on the brands that we all know now i feel like when you do the 18 names in like the opening you know in the trailer yeah it's like largely like

wait that was rami malik but he's got a german accent what do you gain by hiring Rami Malek to do an accent different? Like now I feel like it's big stars wanting to be like, but I don't want to do my own voice. I really want to develop a character for this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it like, I think it's also like in the way, like I remember feeling in like doing digital, like web video things going like,

why is there, why are we even doing web videos promoting this dumb thing it doesn't matter it's to show some boardroom guy and we're doing a internet video for it okay very good I think that the litany of stars is is to show a Logan

Roy kind of person all the way up the flagpole and you see we have the very good. Well, that will bring in the, it's not for audience or even the makers of the film thinking it's a good idea. Well, I think there's one area in which it is for the audience in a weird, perverse kind of way. You know what?

No, it's not even really for the audience. I think the other element to it is, and Katzenberg's the first guy to really weaponize this because like famously, the Robin Williams Disney falling out is him being like, I don't want to be promoted. I just want to do the film. And Katzenberg slapping his name everywhere and putting him in the trailers and everything. And him being like, fuck this. This is fucked up. I was just trying to be a part of the Disney legacy or whatever.

But by Shrek, it's like, like oh they're on the red carpet like they're doing late night talk shows like they're promoting a voiceover role as if it were their live action movie oh yeah right and maybe that is shrek like almost the first i feel like that's a turning point because even like it's it is truly my favorite movie of all time. But a beginning of the end moment is the Toy Story 2 poster is Hank's Alan Toy Story 2. Was Toy Story 1 not that? It was not.

It was like no names above the title. And like Toy Story 2 was like two last names. Because it was a risk for them. That first one was like, could have been a lie. If that tanked, like they wouldn't want to be associated with it. And it was a risk for them. That first one was like, could have been a lie. If that tanked, they wouldn't want to be associated with it. And it was like, Hanks before both of his Oscars, and Alan, Home Improvement had just

premiered, but wasn't dominant yet. Oh, wow. And for both of them, it was like, this is kind of corny. We don't want to do a musical. They talk about how they had to be sold on, this isn't going to be like your grandfathers. Sure, sure. And they recorded versions that was like where things were bad. And they're like, maybe we don't want to be part of this.

Which ties directly into the Shrek stuff. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Should we, before we get into the meat of Shrek 4D, should we talk about the insane. And there's so much to talk about. Oh, well, sure. Well, as usual, the story behind it is more interesting for sure in this case, because the genesis of Shrek period, I had forgotten that it was like a picture book. Which rules. It's a great book. It's William Steig.

Steig? Steig. Steig, yeah. steke yeah he's like one of those guys if you if you like if jason you hold up a picture of it if you have like a photo of it you'll recognize his art style as like he wrote like kind of like the the weird like edgy children's books oh like he had this really kind of like scribbly almost like ross chast art style and his books were like a little subversive and the whole hook to shrek was like it's like a fucking it's a fairy tale book about shitty things it's like an ugly monster who lives in a shitty place and

everything's bad for him and the book is really dark yeah oh there you go oh wow yeah geez that's and that's pretty like specific and odd and grotesque right which is not the rounded off they took the color and the years yes not the Not the clothes. The clothes are very bold and very 90s, in fact. So that came out in 89. Spielberg options it for Amblin in 1990. That long ago? And the first names attached for it, Bill Murray as Shrek and Steve Martin as Donkey.

Whoa. And they were debating at different points. Is it live action with a a couple cgi characters they thought about doing a dinosaur style where the characters were all animated but all the plates were live action yeah i want that now by the way i think that's still possible we have to find a reason to talk dinosaur well there's the ride i guess yeah i was playing this game the other day It's so weird. Yeah. I was playing this game the other day, which was now that Disney is just like the most dominant box office force and they almost never miss. And like a miss for them is like Solo making $200 million domestic.

It's funny to go back from like 97 to 2008 and look at Disney's box office by by year and you're like oh 2000 disney's highest grossing film was dinosaur jeez a flop a flop today and today we we lived them just tweeting out um images of stuff that's going to be on disney plus and if i say before we started recording it worked it fucking worked that's all everyone talked about on Twitter all day. Even if they were mad, they talked about it. The images of a lot of dog shit. So many years of so much dog shit. So many oddball live action things.

Yeah, I would look through year by year and you'd be like, they have one movie out of eight that did well and stood the test of time. It's like bringing down the house. Right. You're like, that's their highest stood the test of time and you go through down the house right you're like that's like their highest grossing film of 2003 or whatever or like 1997 i think their highest grossing film is ransom wow yeah but it outgrossed hunchback of notre dame oh yeah those those movies started to like bomb yeah like disney animated films going under 100 million yes that's that weird period where it's like hercules and hunchback all do like 96 geez wow yeah same for the part now that the parks are all these well i guess we dipped a little bit this year but like you know like mega properties uh you know you know attendance or like you know entrance fees

go up and up and up and like late 90s early 2000s with, you know, your superstar limos and bad California adventure and light magic and all that shit. Yeah, it was like a—it's hard to even imagine Disney being shitty. They become sort of risk-proof to an extent that, like, the worst they can do is, like, the Nutcracker and the Four Realms. Sure, right. And also, that's probably the last time we're going to get a movie like that for a decade. Right, right. Like I don't think they'll even take that much of a risk again. Yeah, if something falls through the cracks, they will of course correct and like, okay, that's the end of that.

We're not going to try five more of those. It's never going to be something that isn't a pre-established brand. Well, Jason brought up the point of like now they have Disney Plus to like get metrics. Totally. So as soon as, like, the Tim Allen Shaggy Dog does very well on Disney Plus, maybe there'll be a new Tim Allen Shaggy Dog if we're lucky. And we'll never get to see it. We'll never get to see the metric, like, in the way that, like, Nielsen ratings are reasonably public. It's so weird.

Like, oh, God, I don't even care as someone who could work on this shit. I just want to know, like, what are people watching? I'm just so morbidly curious. It is the most bizarre thing to be like, for years, everything was running off of the Nielsen ratings, which are like the least accurate system in the world. Like, grandma and grandpa have to take a booklet and write down in the booklet. Yeah, a button. on grandpa i have to take a booklet right and write down in the booklet yes button like and i've spoken to people who like were nielsen families and they were like at a certain point we just stopped like doing it we stopped logging it or we just hit random buttons because it was just like i don't want to i want to flip through and see shit whatever um and now it's like the

data has never been more precise and we don't know any of it we just know that why won't they tell us every Netflix movie gets 30 million views in the first 24 hours every Netflix film

is the most popular film of all time every Adam Sandler movie decimates 10 the Adam Sandler movies we all like not since Gone with the Wind

decimates in 24 hours yeah Paul Rudd doing Us But Funny is gonna blow away any other Paul Rudd project. Just, like, all these things. It's, like, yeah, it's very odd. And also, like, I'll say, you know, a couple years ago, Disney was, like, maybe we need to go back to making, like, lower budget stuff again.

And, like, original, like, family comedies and this and that. And they produced a bunch. And then all of them just went weirdly quiet. Like I know people worked on them and I was like whatever happened in that movie?

And they'd be like I don't know. And now a bunch of those are the things premiering day one on Disney Plus or are lined up for the next year.

That's what happened? A lot of like that Anna Kendrick like Christmas movie. The Bill Hader one? Was shot like two years ago. I believe Bill Hader was not a co-lead

at the time. Oh they upped him post Trainwreck and Barry. Yeah. Whoa. But that was one where they were like, we want to get back in the business of making a $60 million live action comedy. Low risk, high upside. And then they watched all of them and they were like, not worth the energy.

Keep it on a shelf. We'll have a streaming service in two years. There's an Adam Divine magic camp comedy that was shot three years ago maybe that's written by Steve Martin or co-written by Steve Martin based on when he was a magician at Disneyland. What? That's just been sitting on a shelf. I believe Jeffrey Tambor is also in it in the mentor role, which is maybe another reason. That far after. It's in the vault. Jeez, we're post-transparent finale where he's been killed off.

Is this how we finally get the day the clown died? I cried. Is this how we cried? Yeah. Cried, right? Okay. Somebody posted that joke on Twitter. Oh, shit.

Damn it. Well, that and this all happened six weeks ago. It's weird. Yeah, I know. Everyone's like wow this is current disney plus talk it's out right now we're losing now we're having in it well here's the thing i know so i want to see if you guys picked up on this because i'm sure you scanned that thread as thoroughly as i was like the fucking wi-fi i need to i can't give up i

need to hit the last tweet in the thread 200 but a couple of the old Fox movies that they've now acquired, they slapped the Disney logo on it. But not all of them. So in that Twitter thread, classic Miracle on 34th Street was Disney's A Miracle on 34th Street. But Home Alone wasn't.

It's weird because it feels like did somebody go through it and go, which movies feel like we would have made them Right Like there's almost some determination Like well Miracle on 34th Street is so wholesome And wonderful And Home Alone is fun but it's a little too

You know intense for Disney That was apparently a lot of like their weird Netherlands test With Disney Plus Was it the Netherlands? Yes they were testing it in the Netherlands Because someone was posting walkthroughs of the navigation. It went up only in the Netherlands like two months ago, and there was a bunch of weird shit on there,

and it felt like it was them being like, what breaks the Disney brand? So something like Adventures in Babysitting, which was like Touchstone, but now is a little too raunchy. They were like, but we remade it for the Disney Channel, so it's kind of nice to have both of them on there. And it was like up there and then gone 72 hours later.

And it felt like- Are we as Adventures in Babysitting not going to make the cut? That's an abomination. That's what it seems like. Whoa, wow. Like they're just filtering and they're being like, what isn't Disney? Like what doesn't pass? This is-

All right, Funny Games, you're out. Funny Games US remake. Right. Staying? Yeah. This is like Disney legend Jack Kirby. ass this is funny games you're out funny games us remake right staying yeah like disney this is like disney legend jack kirby yes so it's like rewriting like okay that's comfortable he's now he's been uh retconned into our museum is totally going to be retconned as a disney property yeah and like home alone will as well which is why they've already said they're going to do the new they're making a new home alone right on dis which is why they've already said they're going to do the new thing. They're making a new Home Alone on Disney+. They've identified the Fox properties. Diary of a Wimpy Kid, I think, is another one where they were like,

this is Fox and it feels like Disney and we can just juice it up. This is very disturbing. Very odd. Weaponized memory holing. Yes. Yes. In five years, we will just think Disney made Miracle on 34th Street. I saw someone tweet this,

and it was either terrifying or a perfect Twitter joke. But someone tweeted like, it's crazy reading that thread, having evidence for the thing I've been trying to tell people for so long, colon, Disney was making largely horse shit for 40 years and was constantly on the brink of like going under like between like 50 and 90 it was like so up and down and they were like how

few movies between 50 and 90 are like really canonical you know yeah and someone responded either with a perfect joke or the most terrifying like mandela effect possible saying what are you talking about star wars was in 1977 no whoa yeah either way is interesting right joke if it's a joke right it's either you get the mark twain prize for humor this year or humanity is over oh I don't know. I mean, that sort of like realizing that yeah, there's a lot of garbage in

1950 to 1990 makes the stuff coming out of Imagineering that more miraculous. Yes. That more incredible. The Epcot Center is when they're making their worst movies. Yeah. That's their like most of the creative juice in the company is going towards the theme parks at the parent time where

like it's all the live action movies that showed up in that thread where you're like what yeah how many bill cosby comedies did you make like or like big thunder mountain occurs to me too like i'm sure like the two years surrounding Big Thunder Mountain were all horseshit for Disney movies, but then like iconic perfect ride. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

The one that's in my head from Twitter is that they won't leave my head even though this was six weeks ago. Now the, uh, there was a Disney channel movie that I guess they have determined is Disney. This will remain Disney. And somebody tweeted this just with just was just, oh, no. And it was a basketball player,

a twin girl basketball player movie called Double Team. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Nobody thought the Double Team was a problem. Even then, when it came out. This wasn't okay. That's not a new phrase phrase that wasn't okay in 2002

either it's not the van damme rodman movie double team no no right which is great which is great it ends in a big like the fucking uh the the roman coliseum explodes oh yeah there's a bunch of like soda machines in it and the branded soda machines go flying at the camera. What? You gotta see Double Team. And Mickey Rourke's the villain in that? Is that right? I think so. I haven't seen it in a while. Gosh. Mickey Rourke when he was in his Disney between 1950 and 1990 period.

Who owns Double Team? Does Disney own Double Team? Oh my god. Double teamed in. Double teamed in. Let me look it up okay but here's another link it's fascinating then that i feel like so much of sort of the cultural knowledge of disney becomes the theme parks becomes like it's a small world becomes like jokes about like

expensive food and whatever sure like that's when people are doing like disney humor it's so often theme park based and merchandise based yeah and that's not until the 90s then when you like okay they've revived the princess thing there are new tropes here and that's combined like the white washing of the fairy tales with the theme park sort of price stuff oh sure which then what is disney in terms of pop like the cynical pop culture because trek is all of pop culture? Like the cynical pop culture. Because Trek is all about cashing in on that cynical pop culture perception of Disney. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is so much Katzenberg being like, I've de facto. I'm like an expat. I have a chip on my shoulder. And now I can finally make the jokes that everyone else has been making about me. Sure. Like I can do itchy and scratchy land. Right, right, right, yeah. Now that I'm at this ruggedly independent,

I do what I want. But can I make it a family film? Like, can I have my cake and eat it too? Like, can I do the jokes that make all the adults go like, yeah, yeah, totally, Disney is fucked up. But also sell a bunch of dolls. It opens with, like, a stand-in for tinkerbell uh almost getting eaten by a frog and then it ends with that same fairy getting shot out of the screen

into a speaker and the same gimmick as in philhar magic with donald duck's little seat like his legs waggling around uh uh the fake tinkerbell is like sort of yeah i forgot that was in i this is a thing with me i forgot what the 40s were because you can watch water but you can't pretty much i mean that's the only like sort of like theater environmental thing like yes well in the seats there's a lot of like there's a lot of seats bump when you're on a bumpy road what a fun and then and there's a rat gag. Yes, which I think we all hate. They did the honey. They trumped the audience.

Yeah, and the ankles. You don't get poked in the back, though, like Bug, do you? I don't think so. I feel like something does happen on this scene. Am I wrong? I feel like there's a lot of carriage riding, and I remember a lot of smells. Like, I remember that being the one sort of redeeming aspect

of Shrek 4d was like they really kind of because even i was re-watching it on netflix the weird form it exists in the yesterworld youtube channel pointed out the one this is the one theme park ride you can watch on netflix right yes because even like you have like oh like back to the future ride like on the blu-ray box set but it's like presented in a context of like here's like, oh, like Back to the Future ride like on the Blu-ray box set. But it's like presented in a context of like, here's like a time capsule of this one element of this thing. Yes. And this is an example of like, they fucking broadcast this on television.

They sold it multiple times in home media. They sold it to other theme parks. This was at multiple Universal theme parks. And also at, what are they called? Movie World. Warner Brothers Movie World in Australia. Germany and Australia. And Movie Park in Germany.

I have to say, despite being oddly also at a Warner Brothers park and other parks, it is no match for the most whored out attraction in all of theme parks. SpongeBob SquarePants in 4D. I've never seen that. This replaced. Oh, that's right. Movie Park Germany. Movie Park Germany. Yeah.

Let me just say really fast because I was in my head that like, oh, things just being really tossed off to other parks. So that's like that SpongeBob thing. Then I looked it up. SpongeBob SquarePants in 4D has all told in its history played at 42 different locations. At Six Flags Parks, at Paramount Parks,

at aquariums, at museums, at zoos, at Madame Tussauds, at the Excalibur in Las Vegas. Wow. I assume there's porn booths somewhere where one of the options

is Spongebob 4D. Yeah, I've been, I feel like to a weird amount of Six Flags parks that have it, and it's always anomalous because it's like you have no other Spongebob, Nickelodeon presence. You don't have any deal with them. The Paramount parks did have, Paramount Viacom did,

was in the Paramount parks for a long time. Nickelodeon was in those parks for a long time. So that makes sense. I imagine it was built originally for that. Yes. But then at a certain point it became like, SpongeBob has just like never dipped. It has only grown.

It lasts through generations. Like it still plays. So it becomes this safe bet if you have some, like if you got burned building a 4D theater, right? At your like Six Flags franchise or movie world. And you're like, I did fucking robots 4DX, right? At your Six Flags franchise or movie world. And you're like, I did fucking robots 4DX, you know? Like I did-

Well, an original story. Open season in Smell-O-Vision. Right. And now, SpongeBob is a safe bet. I'm not going to have to replace this in 18 months. Oh, sure, sure, yes. It'll get dimmer and dimmer. Right.

It's impossible to look at, but people will come anyway. People will still come in. Yeah. That is a bet that I think Warner Brothers Movie World should have taken because there, Shrek 4D replaced Marvin the Martian in 3D. Marvin the Martian in 3D and ran for eight years. Yeah. Then Shrek lasted only five years, and it was replaced by Journey to the Center of the Earth 4D Adventure.

Oh, yeah. That's this really bleak thing where a bunch of theme parks, once 3D movie, put it in their 4D theater, and just show you a thing you could have seen at AMC with a couple extra effects. Well, we're living this currently with Star Wars, Path of the Jedi, and this junk that they fill all of the empty theaters with that used to be teeming with 3D films at Disney parks. At least PhilharMagic is in there now. Yeah, there's finally a – oh, God, all those – yeah, the, like, Maleficent previews and all that shit. Oh, my God. I mean, I just want to contextualize, like, this is a trilogy. Obviously, we are completing a trilogy here.

Right, but there could be other trilogies. There'll be other trilogies. There'll be other trilogies. I love it. A series within the series. A series within the series. Because we got a lot of them going now. Oh, and thank you again for announcing it at PTR 23. It's very delightful to do the video. I was happy to help. I stepped away from a very busy career. Flicked on the fluorescent lights in your kitchen.

Not even in the hallway outside my girlfriend's apartment. Because she was on a business call. And I was like, don't mind me. I'm just going to record seven takes of me pretending to be Zachary Levi. Oh, yes. Announcing Nerd HQ. Oh, I love that. me i'm just gonna power players right seven takes of me pretending to be zachary levi oh yes announcing nerd hq i love that it's very nice me to do it like day of i was happy to do it i sent to you you were like thanks and then the episode comes out a week later and i i was sitting there listening and you started to almost say it and i was like wait a second is he going no he's

not and i i truly i got full body chills at you in a sort of tossed off way going, well, yeah, yeah, why not? Okay, yeah, I'm going to say it. He is a podcast the ride legend. Oh, that's right. I forgot. We haven't seen you since a technicality made you a podcast the ride legend. I mean, chills.

I was walking around a five below and I started beaming. The hairs on my neck were standing up, and no one else could see. I was like, I wanted to grab someone and go, do you know what just happened? I've been inducted. I forgot we haven't addressed this. Forced by a slideshow. Worse for me. We could have objected.

We didn't object. No, the setup was there was a table, and I was running the computer and the table's like just out of arm's reach so every time i had to really lean in yes i think i feel like i hit hit it twice right the button twice you went past choco to me yes and i ended up sneaking my way into that designation that show was chaos that was like preparing for the anaheim show, I, yeah, I was joking, my, we were at a bar for like my birthday recently

and someone went, oh, how was your, you guys did a show in Anaheim, right? I was like, yeah,

it was great. Putting it together was chaos. Like, we were jerry-rigging stuff. We were all on the ground. Hurry, go.

We had a table, stuff was on the ground. I don't think I watched your whole video until it was playing and I got a sense of it He's wearing a Forky hat, it's fine Welcome to a PTR legend

Even you saying it again, I just got chills again To a PTR legend Such an honor I do want to say though I feel like it didn't happen because she was the guest on the episode But I feel weird being inducted and Jenny not being in. Because I feel like as a fan first, I'm like, that's clearly the best running guest you have on the show.

I would agree with that. And I'm honored to be in the larger conversation, but for me it's inarguably Jenny is like the fourth good boy. Wow. You were both, though, the people yelled at us the most on the internet megaphone of like,

have them on the show! Oh, really? Jenny Nicholson and Griffin Newman. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm happy to be in the same general zip code,

but Jenny's at a different level for me. Sure, we all agree on that. She has the experience and the insights. And I just want to say, I as a fan will be angry if she's not inducted next year.

She will be inducted I'm sure I'm just saying you're selling yourself short I wouldn't do that. You're up there. Once again I'm happy to be in there. But we'll do it in the way most inconvenient to when we could have done it with her right there. Right. We will do it in some bizarre way. Yeah she'll be somewhere

else and then she'll find out from a third party. And go oh. It's Choco Marvel McFay. No, not Marvel. Marvel's not in there yet. Maybe should be. So then, do you know what? Jenny is actually in pretty good company

being right on the outside because she's going to probably get inducted in the next class with Marvel. It's Papa Steve from the Bread Factory Tour. And an Ice Cream Sundae I like. Right, it was the Hollywood's Next Big Star poster, right? Oh, yes. The poster outside of the bathroom in California Adventure.

Right. The guy on like Actor Magazine or whatever it is. There was another idea that didn't come to fruition that I'll tell you about off-microphone. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, boy. You guys know it. Yeah.

Well, just within viewing this as a trilogy, right. Yeah. Oh, boy. You guys know it. Yeah. Well, just within, viewing this as a trilogy, right? Yeah. You know, I've come on and covered two of what I think are the finest American films ever made. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Muppet Vision 3D and Terminator 2.

Yeah. Judgment Day 3D, which I think both work incredibly well as theme park attractions and as movies. Yeah. And when we were like, what's like the third one to close it out? We were like, I guess kind of by default, because like if he did, honey, I shrink the audience. Yeah. I think Shrek 4D is the next kind of logical one from that era.

Well, and I mean, the one that's looming, there is a major 3D film made by a major film director, but I don't think anyone wants to touch it with a 10-foot pole, which is heartbreaking because, boy, do I love this film. I know. But I don't think we've made you do it. Right. You're doing that or nothing. I have also, I've embarrassingly only seen that one on YouTube.

I missed it when they re-released it. Oh, yeah, the release. Sure, sure. I went, so I got a hotel room the night that it came out. That's how. Can I say a very dark thought? I don't think this is going to be dark in the way people now are fearing it will be dark. I'm about to get kicked out of Cast the Right Legend.

Get out of this room. I had this feeling after watching Leaving Neverland where I was like i wish i had seen captain eo before this like i wish like i wouldn't like i i would be able to compartmentalize it now but in the way i'm like i'm happy i saw certain things made by monsters before i knew they were monsters so now i never have to watch them again and they're sort of sectioned off in my brain because the memory is you have at least a pure memory to remember it by and just in terms of being a person

who wants to have a knowledge of pop culture and whatever but to invest in it now seems like an odd thing to do I remember my friend and I five or six years ago were like we should really see Bill Cosby live before he died. And then when, like, all the stories came out,

I'm like, dodge a bullet. Glad I didn't see Cosby live. Give him my money. Sure, sure. But then part of me is like, I wish I had seen it and then found out that he was a piece of shit and felt bad that I'd gone to see it, if that makes sense. Yeah. Like, I wish I just had in my brain the experience of seeing old,

angry, half-blind, I'm gonna yell at everyone in my audience, Bill Cosby. And go for, like, longer than this podcast. His sets are three and a half hours. And be like, oh, I got a bad vibe from this guy. Yeah. Yeah. I did see. I saw R. Kelly during the window where, like, everyone forgot before they remembered again.

Yeah. And it was something. That was the Captain EO thing. Like, it was, like like post-Jackson death. Everyone was like, oh, we're just like, we totally love him now. Completely pulled out of the parks. If you look at the timeline, when it started getting taken out, it was trial one. And then he died.

And then just like, never mind. Fine. It's fine. We all agree it's fine. Right. It was a nice era to live in. It's not good that everyone was ignoring it. But it was like. Like, terrible. Yeah. It's not good that everyone was ignoring it, but it was like...

Yeah, like terrible. Yeah, horrible that everyone's ignoring it, but it's sort of like, you know, fingers and ears ignorance is bliss in a way. Yes, yes. It's not ignorance. Right, I had that feeling like after watching Leaving Netherland where I was like, they're never going to put it back in the parks again. Like I'm never going to get to see it,

which is for, in the grand scheme of things, for the best. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But, oh boy. Oh, the seats danced. Now that's seat shaking. You could take, if you could just take them out

and digitally put, is there a way? Well, and can we do an episode that avoids... Aesthetically speaking, is it's mostly going to be about Hooter, the elephant. Right.

The alien elephant. That's the thing. I don't, is First of All canceled? Right. Major and minor domo. And we know that's what we'd be taught I'd be I would have spent 20 minutes on the plastic egg that's lying on him yeah the question this is the big moral question what did fuzzball know

hmm you know what I'm saying like was he complicit this is all also making me realize I forgot I never watched the Theranos documentary that came out right around that time period on HBO. And I'm like, oh shit, I have that at home. That thing's bad. You're just thinking of other movies to watch while we're talking. You don't want to talk. I didn't want to watch Finding Daryl because it seemed unpleasant. You're going to end up watching Haunted Mansion at 5 a.m.

I am, yeah. What you're saying is you want alex gibney to make a documentary about what fuzzball knew yes sure yeah uh but but like honey i shrunk the audience captain neo muppet vision terminator 2 3d are all examples of like this feels like a theme park attraction you're not just sitting in a theater and watching a 3d movie yeah and it's a thing that like like, the resurgence of 3D, which was largely spearheaded by

and ruined by Jeffrey Katzenberg. Like, Jeffrey Katzenberg is, by all accounts, for all intents and purposes, the man who killed

the golden goose. Like, this thing that was briefly, like, reviving theater, like, ticket sales.

Now, allow me to say this, that at this exact week that we're recording this, I'm working on a Quibi show. So I would just like to say, Quibi, we love you. Any comments that have been made in the past were incorrect. I've been proven wrong. And I'm not saying the things that Griffin is saying. And, Scott, I would like to add that in a few weeks I will be pitching to Quibi.

This is not a joke either. And I would like to say my opinion is that Quibi is probably great. We haven't seen it yet when it's launched. But I would like to. Katzenberg killed the golden goose because he had so many more golden geese to raise from babes. That golden goose was going to die of old age anyway. So these new young golden geese. If you guys need to sip out of the room for another few minutes,

Griff and I can continue this conversation because I don't have anything lined up. I don't have a lot going on for you. Yeah. I've been trying to get

a general with them. It's a blast. It's a lot of fun. Oh, the general sounds so much fun. I hear the meetings you can have. Fuck.

I see. I was going to say you can have the meetings standing up vertically or lying down facetiously. And it's got to work both ways. That's a golden goose of an idea. That is such a crazy thing. I have heard that corroborated by so many people.

And I have also talked to so many friends who are actors on Queeby shows. And they were like, that can't be true. Like they were on the set and they're like, it's not going to work. Well, no, they weren't like, technically that's impossible. They were like, that seems weird that no one would tell me that. I think that's not.

Just complete incredulity. That is, I believe, out the window. Really? No, no, no. I'm in a room on a thing. They showed us a chart. Really? They said, remember to frame.

They said to me me a writer not involved in the technical aspect at all to maybe remember that the frame so i shouldn't write anything it says a very wide frame opens up i heard somebody there's a show that's being made that they were like yeah we're not doing that maybe maybe some of the bigger creators are getting to just that is what i'm talking about yeah well it's like they have news. Does the news flip formats? I guarantee you the news flips formats. If anything's going to flip formats, it's going to be the news.

I was talking about this the other night, too. Do you know about the Shining? The aspect ratios? When Kubrick shot the Shining, the monitor, he could see what it would look like in 16x9 and 4x3 so that the the 4 by 3 video release you saw like other stuff in the scene right yeah that's like dark knight they

did that and those all the i'm it's cool if it's done intentionally yeah it is insane the way that they're planning on doing it but also you don't think he's great we're all gonna be working is like look you don't think the key for sutherland fugitive they're like all right let's make sure when he's running through this tunnel i'm astounded by how many quibi shows are remakes of movies yeah like it feels weird that even at that level they're like well we need a baseline ip here we need something no nowhere made me feel like, no, that already happened.

Yeah. It feels right, yeah. It feels like a perfect equation. There's been so many fugitive shows. He did that on CBS, right? He must have. There was seven seasons. Yeah, eight seasons.

That was designated survival. 24, wait a second. That makes sense. We do, but yeah, eventually we gotta get to yeah. Eventually, we've got to get to Shrek. Well, what I was going to say, right, I feel like Shrek is an example of all the shit that is sort of more theme park-y and experiential to being in that specifically constructed theater

at any one of seven theme parks where it was playing are so gimmicky and hollow and less successful than the things like Muppet Vision and Highest Rook the Audience and T2 and Captain Arrow, where it's more fully integrated into it. And it speaks to the fact that they made a movie that can kind of work without the theme park. Yeah, and the fact that they could repurpose it which

you couldn't do with honey i shrunk the audio you couldn't just be watching that on a dvd but it's like an ultimate neither nor where like i remember seeing shrek 4d at universal and being like this is a bad 4d movie and then watching it on netflix being like this is a bad animated short film and in either format i'm irked by things that were clearly done for the sake of the other format. There's some cognitive dissonance because the pre-show is very theme park-y. Which I think is the most successful shit. Yeah. With like, Jinji banging on the camera and then making jokes about like, this is what happened after the credits.

And it being like, dungeon security camera. Yes. And it helps because Shrek, this is what happened after the credits. And it being like dungeon security camera. Yes. And it helps because Shrek, the first Shrek is so much. And the pigs are in the cages. The just eyes of, there's a video you can watch that the user Cow Missing

who releases all the like good raw material of all these pre-shows and everything has like video feeds of every individual set of pig eyes. It's pretty cool. They're good. They're good. I'm glad you brought that up. I do like these pre-shows and everything has video feeds of every individual set of big eyes. It's pretty cool. They're good. They're good. I'm glad you brought that up.

I do like the pre-show. And the show building is good. It helps that. Shrek has set up that the whole kingdom is a riff on Disney World that's already baked into the cake. So that's fun to see. It's like, oh, I'm walking through the real thing. Because in Shrek, there are turnstiles

and there are weird like sort of like velvet ropes you know and and there's like a scene in shrek where he like gets in a fight with like a dude in a far quad mascot costume where he's in like the ride queue line oh yeah yeah yeah oh sure sure so seeing all that stuff like replicated in real life is like kind of fun i was gonna say the singapore uh location that opened after the other ones yeah that facade is crazy like the full castle it's beautiful massive scale yeah yeah that was rumored to be in the new uh one in orlando but i don't think it's happening it's not at least in the pictures there is like a sort of medievalish but that's maybe how to change your drink yeah that's the look what people think but there was yeah it was going to be a full, like, reverse Magic Kingdom.

Shrekified. Both of those are kind of weird. Like, I mean. I think How to Train Your Dragon, they must have tested well enough that, like, okay, that's a trilogy. There's three. There's, I think, there's a spinoff TV show. And people still have goodwill towards it. They are very well regarded.

They're probably the best reviewed DreamWorks franchise, top to bottom. And the ancillary stuff is done well for them. But it also, like, all three Hot Train to Dragon movies, each one makes less than the previous one. Like, they go down. Whereas, like, the other crazy Dream crazy dreamworks franchises you're like madagascar 3 made that much uh-huh for sure what would have happened though if they had made the other alternate shreks like nick cage shrek or you didn't get to all these oh my god yeah janine garofalo as fiona whoa um there's like chris far recorded 95% of his dialogue that much.

Yes. And then find that online. Yeah. And it's just him doing his voice, but it's, it's him just doing his regular voice and it sounds very endearing. And then people, they had a 3d model that looked more like the illustration. Yeah. And it was Farley.

So that's a whole other, Oh yeah. Completely different character. And apparently I, I would so, so curious to learn more about this. Mike Myers did not know he was replacing Farley and did not know there were recordings. Whoa. When he was- They kept that from him?

He claims that he asked, that when they showed it to him, was this on his Marin episode, that when they showed it to him, he said, did you have Farley doing this at some point? Yeah. And they said, no. Because they storyboarded it to him. He said, did you have Farley doing this at some point? Yeah. And they said, no. Because they like storyboarded it to his voice. Yeah. Like they had like the animatic like show reels of like,

which I guess they must have showed him and then put in some scratch voice of like someone at the DreamWorks offices to cover it up. But the whole character had been defined by like Farley's full performance. Like they had it all like sort of blocked out. I mean,

I as like a weird broken out. I mean, I, I, I, as like a weird broken child who was like reading variety distinctly remember them announcing that Chris Farley was going to be the voice of Shrek. But I guess Mike Myers probably just, you know,

didn't ask, didn't care, you know, or when he asked, he had no outside like reference. He hadn't heard anything. It just seemed like it. Um,

but yeah, it's like right spielberg wanted to do it his own maybe his live action maybe his hybrid do it at amblin um then dreamworks bought the rights from them right right once right he formed that and it was like this is the big idea and then they just kept on like resetting it over and over again and then like farley dying and then mike myers did it all in the voice of uh lothar from the hill people from snl that was the first where it's like hello i am and he was like he went in and first of all apparently myers demanded a page one rewrite per his notes his like control freak stuff he like They rewrote the whole script to his sort of interest. I think they brought in a bunch of his SNL guys

who were uncredited on it. Michael McCullers, I think, worked on track but didn't get credit. And that is what took out, that was the final nail that killed all the Farleaks. Right. Any thing hanging on. Right, right.

Because I think it was like, I want to make this thing my own. It feels like this is some remnant of some other movie. But you don't even, like, then what is Mike Myers? I mean, for sure that thing that's reprised in Trek 4D of, is he compensating for his, I can't do Scottish at all.

Is Farquaad compensating for something? There's a few penis jokes in the movie. There's clearly minor jokes. That's his favorite. Trek 4D has a number of callbacks to the the movie. Clearly mine. That's his favorite. Shrek 4D has a number of callbacks to the first movie. Second beats that

don't necessarily pay off. He just made it bawdy. He made it bawdy. He kind of made it bawdy. His thing was he was like, this is too arch. I'm doing the sketch comedy character. It doesn't work. There's no emotionality to it. I want to redo it with a Scottish accent. thing was he was like this is too arch i'm doing the sketch comedy character it doesn't work there's

no emotionality to it i want to redo it with a scottish accent and he was like my my like one of his parents was scottish he'd done the voice a bunch of times and fat bastard right and he made this argument to like i think it's a soft accent that's also hard like you can sort of balance the warmth and the monstrous side of him and pitch them on it and in like one of the rare instances i've ever heard of like katzenberg choosing the more expensive option was like fine and they threw out like six million dollars worth of animation to start over. Do we think, I wonder if with timeline, is that the difference between like what he can request pre-Austin Powers and post-Austin Powers?

Like is he like, does Austin Powers put him in a position where it's like, fine, spend the money because we'll get it back? Yeah, I mean, you go like in between like Austin Powers 2 and Austin Powers 3, no one's going to say no to that guy. Yeah. But then that whole fucking crazy Dieter

debacle is part of all that. Is that Dream? No, that's Universal. But that was probably about the same time as this, you know? Oh, and Cat in the Hat was the fallout of... Right, that was his... That was his punishment. Make good. That was his make good. Lock him in a suit.

One of my favorite phenomenons, I would love to curate a film festival that's movies where actors were sued into being in them. Which is like Mike Myers and Cat in the Hat. Edward Norton in The Italian Job. Oh, yeah. Which is why he clearly doesn't want to be in that movie. David Cross in the third album of the Chipmunks. Emily Blunt in Gulliver's Travels, which she was forced to do because of an option

on the contract she signed for Devil Wears Prada. And because she was forced to make that movie, she dropped out of playing Black Widow in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Oh, no. She was signed and announced. And Fox was like, no, we got one on you. Jesus.

She's probably had a more interesting career since. Totally. Oh, totally. But it's still a crazy thing to think about and she'll get in there yeah i mean she's available marvel will devour her i have to say i was trying to think back to 2001 when shrek did finally come out and i have such a weird association with it because i was like between sophomore and junior years of high school yeah and this is when a couple friends got cars and driver's licenses so this was the summer

that like we don't need our parents to take us anywhere so and so can drive which resulted in me seeing shrek twice oh i thought you were gonna say 20 times i think i ended i did see with my family and then i saw it with friends, because there was a friend who saw, he was obsessed. He got obsessed with Moulin Rouge that summer. And every time we were like, well, let's go to the movies.

And he's like, I want to see Moulin Rouge. Let's go to Moulin Rouge. Let's go to Moulin Rouge. We've all seen Moulin Rouge at this point. And he's like on number four or five screening, and it's like, no, it's not in theaters

anymore but shrek is somehow still in theater let's just go see shrek i'll see it again fine i'll see shrek again and it was fun it was fun we liked it the summer of shrek for jason sheridan this is an insane stat that i'm embarrassed to share and i don't think i cannot think of another example of this i believe i saw Shrek three times opening weekend. Whoa. I believe I saw it Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Wow. Because I just could not get enough of this fucking thing.

Wow. I saw Red Dragon twice. Because I saw it with my dad, and then friends, we were going to go see something else but got the times wrong and they're like, we could go see Red Drag and I'm like, yeah, okay. But a lot of people I like in that. Yeah.

That's Ed Norton too, right? Ed Norton. Mary Louise Parker. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hoffman, yeah. Well, the circumstances were there was a kid in my grade

named Max Shrek. Whoa. Also the name of the villain from batman returns and the actor max yes right right it knows for a too but at the time that was flying over our heads and we were just like yo dude they made an animated movie about you like it was the best joke and he owned it to his credit max shrek owned it wore it like a badge of honor had a shrek birthday party oh and we were like 13 or 14 but he was like we're gonna buy shrek party supplies we're gonna like everyone buy me shrek presents like i'm owning this this is my movie so that was like saturday was gonna be

max shrek shrek birthday party followed by sleepover, where I distinctly remember at Max Shrek's apartment watching the Cowbell sketch. As it aired? Yes, that was the weekend that Christopher Walken does Cowbell on SNL. I also remember where I was when that sketch aired. I remember the whole showroom. Truly, you could kind of, I feel like, for the four of us as comedy nerds, if you were

watching that live, you were like, this is something. Well, if you're going into comedy, enjoy this curse. This is going to be something. The guy who hired me and a lot of my friends at Funny or Die was a guy who wrote there at the time, Andrew Steele. And he at one point said, you realize everyone in this building is here because of the cowbell sketch. Yeah. Like, this would not, this building isn't here without cowbells

specifically. It's, he's not, I mean, it still sounds bizarre, but it's true. It's crazy also because I remember I was, like, I guess I was like 13 at that point, 12 or 13, and for years it had been, my dad would tape SNL on a VHS,

and I would wake up Sunday morning and have a bowl of cereal and watch SNL because I couldn't stay up. Take me to church, right? Take me to church. Lauren's my pastor. That was my synagogue, was watching SNL with, like, corn pops on, like, Sunday morning. But that was a rare one because it was a sleepover where I was like Max's parents let us stay up

and I watched it live with three other people so I was watching other people laugh at SNL which I didn't usually get the social experience and watching them lose their minds I was like this is something

I did not think it would become the most dominant. The primary, if we have to explain what is sketch in a thousand years. We only have room to remember one sketch. I guess it's that one. It's the thing we put in the time capsule. It's what we buried outside

the Nickelodeon Hotel or whatever. We're so close to where we're recording this to the time capsule. Yes. Closer than what we usually record. Oh wow, yeah, you're right. Steps away. I can feel it. Oh, no, we're gonna say sorry. Well, my other thought on Shrek is

okay, two ideas on that. One, they say the first few years of a new decade are closer to the previous decade. Totally. So 2001, still a little 90s yeah my i am wondering is this it does shrek mark the end of the 20th century or did the matrix do that i i i think in a certain way it's shrek and the matrix and here's another thing i'm gonna say i think shrek despite the fact that the franchise continued for another decade i think

shrek is so specifically a movie that only could have come out been this warmly received this successful this beloved less than five months before september yes that was the other thing this is the end of innocence this is totally the end of innocence i think there's something to shrek coming out in those final moments of like, you can't fucking touch us. America's on top. Hollywood. It's big stars. Big movies.

Anyone can come on a lot without a ton of screening. And a certain type of irony starts to get questioned right after 9-11. There was that whole thing of like, is irony dead? Have we been living in this like sarcastic society? Does like sincerity need to be embraced again? It's an overnight like entire sea change. But I do feel like Shrek,

even when the sequels were doing well and people were watching it later, some of its success was tied to, remember nine months ago before the greatest act of like international terrorism that our country has experienced in decades it's a different movie but we were all singing hey uh here we are now entertain us shrek yeah we were singing it along to moulin rouge there's something hedonistic

about track it's also funny it's a little mind blowing. The Trek came out the weekend of the cowbell sketch. Because also, so that puts it at like that the cowbell sketch is happening. And then five months later, Rudy Giuliani and the firefighters with ashes on them. And can we still be funny? Five months later. Right. All of this is important. Like this is important cultural content.

Can we still be funny is at least a joke as opposed to, like, the other tragedy cold opens. There wasn't one joke. You're right. There wasn't a joke in that. That's a good point. The tragedy mashups. Their new biggest recurring sketch. Or singing to sir with love when Obama's term ended.

Oh, God. Oh, God. Once again, these comments are not my comments. Everything's great. Love everything. By the way, can I just put in, this is not part of a trilogy.

I just want to throw in my name into the ring. I would love to do the entirely behind the paywall Jimmy Fallon episode. It's hard to say no to that. I know you threw it out

recently that maybe that's the way you can finally talk about Race Through New York. The fact that you noticed that. I have so many thoughts on that ride. That might have to happen. And if you're willing to go outside the trilogy, then yes. And if you're willing to jump into the lion's den, I mean, obviously

you won't hear it if you don't go behind the bill. Obviously we'll only say nice things. Yeah, because that is like, they try to build that as a ride, but it is more of a 3D film. This is my argument. That would be the Scorpion King to this, the Brendan Fraser Mummy trilogy. Oh. You know, it's like a little bit of like. I love that.

I agree. Perfect analogy. Race through me. Now I just want to, we're recording this very late. I just want to roll straight into that right now is the problem. I'm not going to be able to do it for a while.

Now I am thinking about our day, upcoming day at Universal and going, oh, if we blitzed our original universe,

Jesus, we got to carve out time. I mean, I've done it. I haven't done it. You haven't done it? We have to do it together.

Oh, that's why we have to experience. We couldn't do a bang bang. That's the reason we can't right now. I have to experience. We couldn't do a bang bang. That's the reason we can't right now. I have to experience Fake 30 Rock for myself. So much of it is the fucking queue area. Oh, the Dapper Dan, what are they called?

Oh, shoot, I can't remember. The Yankee Doodles. The Camp Town Racers. I am more excited for the Today Show Cafe menu. But the weirdest thing is just the queue being like the front desk that you use to check in when you have an audition for an NBC pilot. Yeah. Oh, weird.

That's all. And then the tiny little Conan Tonight Show display. Oh, it's the most depressing. Yeah. Your Steve Allen has a huge case. Everyone's got it. And then it's like a little tiny. It's somehow more disrespectful than if they had removed him entirely yes i actually yes i agree with that there's this should probably be behind the paywall but there's this video of

jimmy fallon like talking to steve martin in that he's facing that display and saying to the display as if like a beyond the grave steve Allen, Steve, we did it, Steve! We did, you have a ride, Steve! God, he would have loved this. And then it just pauses and doesn't cut, and it's like a comedy cut. Again, no, I can't defend that one. Watch the video.

All I did was describe a video. I didn't say anything that wasn't in the video. No judgments. And everyone, become a Patreon subscriber. I am. You get your $5 worth, I can vouch for the quality. Speaking of quality, Shrek, also, I want to say, Shrek premiered at the Cannes Film Festival.

A huge thing to talk about. 11 minutes standing ovation. Shrek competed for the Palme d'Or, the first animated film since Disney's Peter Pan. Everyone sat down at Cannes, and one of the first things they heard was, somebody won! And people were like, it might win.

I remember there being the buzz of, Shrek's a solid contender. It's like, first animated film Oscar. Shrek and Donkey in attendance at the Academy Awards. So on point check. A technological marvel. Right. I think that's the one year where they animated the animated film nominees in the audience.

And like before the animation studios were like, this is kind of like infantilizing. That would be nice because, you know because Jack Nicholson's not always there anymore. If they just every year animated Shrek and Donkey in the front row. Shrek wearing the Nicholson sunglasses coked out of his body. Bill Adler and Donkey.

Throw Shrek in the Lakers game crowd in the front row. They should. Shrek should just occupy. When Nicholson passes, Shrek should take his seats. They like kind of bow to the seat and then wave Shrek in.

Who lands with a big thud. The theater shakes. It would be good if they just sort of like treated Shrek like an actor. Yes. And he's just in movies. I was like that. So like Shrek. Yes. And he's just in movies. I was like that. So like Shrek is.

Well that's this thing like Universal buys DreamWorks and they already have Illumination which is doing so well for them and has been doing better than DreamWorks for the last five or six years. And apparently the whole thing was like Chris Melendari who's in charge of

Illumination was like I'm not gonna leaveari, who's in charge of Illumination, was like, I'm not going to leave my post. I want to keep Illumination going. These minions are like printing money. But we got to figure out something to do with these DreamWorks characters. And by and large, like the development of new DreamWorks movies has slowed down in the name of like these apparently constant meetings of like, fuck, what do we do with Shrek? Like, everyone's banging their head against the wall going like, do we do a sequel? Do we do a reboot? Do we do live action?

Like, what do we do? What do we do? We gotta do something new with Shrek. Dark Shrek, which will win, that'll win Venice next year. But that's why I'm like, da-da-da-da, hey! Just put Shrek in other movies.

Yes, just put Shrek in other movies. Yes, just put Shrek in other movies. Just put Shrek in other movies. But not like period, just a romantic comedy with Kate Hudson. Right. Shrek and Kate Hudson are in a movie about her working at a magazine or something. He's a new Vinnie Jones.

Yeah, right. Have Shrek play a villain in a Fast and Furious movie. Like, what's in the Universal stable? Look who's joining the crew. He's a little Shrek. Hobbs and Shaw and Shrek. Shrek is a a Fast and Furious movie. Like, what's in the Universal stable? He's a little Shrek. Hobbs and Shaw and Shrek. Shrek is a Guardians of the Galaxy cast member. It's interesting you bring up Illumination,

because the way this all played out, Shrek 1 comes out. Two years later. 9-11 happened. 9-11 happened. Two years later, Shrek 4D is is placed in the kind of opens almost simultaneously not totally simultaneously i think um hollywood opened first then um japan and orlando opened on the same day and for both of them they're the attractions opening within like nine months of when shrek 2

is going to come out yeah and it's such a unique phenomenon of not like, we're making another entry, but we're making a bridge entry between the last theatrical movie and the next theatrical movie, knowing full well that Jeffrey Katzenberg was like, we're going to make six of these goddamn things. Yeah.

But in 2003, as a theme park goer, I thought, this is cool. Right. It picks up right where the first movie left off. You can't see it anywhere else. And, It's like an important piece of the tapestry.

It's an important piece as you walk out. What happens next? Well, there's a poster in the exit that says, coming in 2004, Shrek 2.

That's what happens. Literally, what it was. That is my memory of it. But it's like, so weird for this attraction to be like, still running

after Shrek 4 came out. Yeah. You know? Oh, yeah, because it's been like, I don't, I'm not up, I haven't seen 2 through 4, so I don't know what happened, but I imagine character things are like irrelevant or changed. Kids. Things change. Everyone starts having kids.

Shrek's life gets really complicated. Shrek's kids. Growing up is tough. I'm sure with those Shrek's kids, you would like that. Without having seen the films. I haven't seen three or four. Donkey and Dragons kids are cute. Oh, yeah.

Donkey and Dragons have kids. Oh, and there's a statue in Singapore of the Donkey Dragon kids. They're called the Drunkies. It's a pretty horrifying statue. And I didn't recognize them because I haven't seen the films. I got the official Bugmane ruling on the Shreks. He said two and four. You gotta do two and four.

Two and four are the best ones. So he says, I don't know. Can anyone vouch for that or not? Four? I will say this. Four's kind of interesting. It's a wonderful life essentially. Oh wow. Wow, wow, wow. I think I saw two and three. I cannot remember any. Whoa, the parents.

Fiona's parents show up at some point. That's two. That's two. Three is like abysmal. Three is like. Speaking of memory holing, I am like reaching for this. Three is like, it feels like it's 60% about selling the idea of Justin Timberlake as a movie star. Like it came out like the same time as Love Guru or whatever.

Yeah, when is Puss in Boots? Puss in Boots shows up and gets spun off. Also, Fallon, you could also be called, the Fallon episode is the Puss in Boots of the 3D movie. Yes, yes. That also works. Separate, but really.

But compare this arc to Illumination. Secret Life of Pets comes out, huge hit. Secret Life of Pets comes out. Huge hit. Secret Life of Pets 2, not too big. Big drop. Secret Life of Pets The Ride coming 2020. Right. After the big drop. A different arc.

Right. Right. That's why the How to Train Your Dragon thing, I think aside from the fact that it's a good world and it's the kind of thing that you see a weird weird amount of how to train your dragon at like conventions and stuff. I think people like cosplaying how to train your dragon and all of that. But it is like a franchise where the numbers dip every time. And usually I feel like people like to get in like, you know, when it's hot. Right.

It is interesting with the way that what supposedly the four lands, which are the Nintendo for the new theme park in Orlando, Nintendo, How to Train Your Dragon, Fantastic Beasts, but I would be not surprised if it's just Harry Potter Land 3. Right. They could just do any other area. Right. Yeah. So that might be what happens. And then Universal Monsters, which is great but the monsters and the how to train a dragon maybe they're just letting the imagining imagineer whatever they're called universal creative people do stuff they

want to do no of course it's not it's a it's not possible that's how to train a dragon's a cool world it could inspire cool attractions yeah uh but also in my head i'm like oh man imagine a dragon riding oh well that's imagine dragons ride but but that's the problem. First of all, I'd love to see an Imagine Dragons ride. I'd love to hear an Imagine Dragons ride. But when I'm like, oh, it would be cool to do like a ride where you're on the back of a dragon. And then I think, oh, that's Pandora. That's like they've already done the great American dragon ride. Sure.

Unless it's a true like coaster somehow. Dueling dragons too. Dueling dragons too. Dueling Dragons 2. They just move it over. Can I bring up this thing of you were talking about the connection, like it's a vital connection between 1 and 2. How? That's what I, in re-watching it, and I say this not knowing to,

so maybe I just don't know, but I remember them making a big deal out of that at the time and thinking that was cool, but now I'm looking back and like, okay, so maybe I just don't know. But I remember them making a big deal out of that at the time and thinking that was cool. But now I'm looking back and like, okay, so Fiona's an ogre now. What else is... Oh, I wouldn't say it's vital. No, but I think that's what they said. I'm not criticizing you, Jason.

No, I remember that was such the angle. And now I'm just going back to like, what made them feel like they could say that? Nothing that happens in Shrek 4D has any bearing on the following three Shrek movies. No. Nor the following eight Shrek TV specials. Yes. Ghost Farquaad, though? Ghost Farquaad is fun.

Never, ever acknowledged ever again. I guess the fact that they did pick it up from, it's not a reset. They do. One happened and Farquaad is dead and Fiona is an ogre. But also the fact that it starts with them like in the onion carriage. That's like the ending of Shrek 1 and that it ends with them at the hotel for their honeymoon. That is the beginning of Shrek 2. Like it fits in very tightly.

That's a little neat. Okay, okay, sure. Between the two. So it's not that it like is important to the story at all. But it's so specifically between those two goalposts. And it literally is how they move from one location to the other, I guess. Then it becomes so strange that it's like, it is so specifically not a Shrek 3D movie, but a 3D movie that is a sequel to the first Shrek. While they're like spinning their wild plans of like a Christmas special, a Halloween special.

You know, like all of this. They're making this like thing that's going to, you know. while they're like spinning their wild plans of like a Christmas special, a Halloween special. You know, like all of this. They're making this like thing that's gonna, you know. Be stuck between, as opposed to T2. It doesn't feel as weird. It's clearly between two and three, but three feels like such a different thing. It's like one, two, and T2 3D are one item for sure. Right, and it was like Cameron's final statement at least.

Even if they make these other entries, because they're not Cameron, it's like, well, that's not canon and it doesn't really count and all that sort of stuff. But all the Shrek, it's all Shrek. I'm trying to think of if there was a Star Wars 3D movie in between Force Awakens and Last Jedi. That's what it's like. In between the saber.

Sort of. This is a land between Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. Yes, it is. That's true. Will it stay that way? I don't know. That's technically what it is currently.

Yes. All of pop culture is just a land between like... All of pop culture is Shrek 4D now. It's this little connective, unnecessary bit. Rogue One is Shrek 4D. It's plugging in pieces.

Right. And taking you right up to the room where the next one starts. Wow, you're right. That's the Shrek 4D thing where it's like you can start at the original Star Wars and everything you need to know is in the body of that film. And Shrek 4D is being like, wait, wait, wait. You need to understand how they got to the hotel. And certainly you can get on Star Tours and not know one fucking thing.

Right, right. So I find it weird how plotty it is in that sense, that it's so directly in dialogue with the two movies. There's this crazy stat where we watched the same Yesterland video. Oh, yeah, yeah. Good video. And I also watched an iPhone video of it on YouTube where for the pre-show it was vertical. Yes.

Then it went horizontal. Oh, Queeby style. Queeby style. Yeah. And it was obviously a little blurry because it wasn't 4D. I think I can summarize it real quick. Shrek and Fiona are on their way to their honeymoon. Shrek wants to take a shortcut through like a scary part of the woods.

Then Ghost Farquaad shows up and him and thelonius kidnap fiona there's a chase scene through the scary woods they want to kill fiona so that she can be his ghost bride yes um there is a statue with a tiny farquaad on a big pillar killing uh the dragon he's rewritten history written history's rewritten history. That's how they get the... In his death, he's rewritten history somehow? He's somehow rewritten history. That's where we get the second reference to like, what's he compensating for?

But the end of the first Shrek is Shrek... Fiona and Farquaad are getting married and Shrek rides the dragon through the stained glass of the church and has the dragon eat Farquaad alive, and then is like, we're getting married, and runs off.

I'm a believer, cut to credits. Right? It's the graduate ending. Right. Kind of. This movie has this weird thing where it's like somehow in death, Farquaad, and this is a fairy tale universe, right?

Yeah. You have all sorts of magical creatures but there's no sign of the afterlife in the first shrek and like far quad is this like very well connected ghost who's in regular conversation seemingly with his living henchman philonious and he's planning this multi-step like lure them to the the forest with this statue that was built to correct the narrative of my death. Which, didn't that just happen? Just happened. He hasn't missed a beat. They're on their honeymoon.

Yeah, he hasn't, there's been no problem. Like, it's just he went from one form to another, and it's just business as usual. And just immediately started fucking with him. He has as much power as he ever had. Right. He's the most powerful ghost of all time. He inhabits the stone dragon statue, brings it to life. So then there's a dragon versus dragon chase sequence.

Right. Wouldn't it be real? I'm just thinking out loud here. Wouldn't that be nice if that is how it worked? You just like all of a sudden you like die and you were a ghost and it's just like normal? Visible? Yeah. But I'm around and I can talk to my friends.

Yeah. Everything's fine you can just keep doing episodes yeah we can just broadcast all into eternity

wasn't that gonna be like one of the tossed out ideas for a Ghostbusters sequel was like Bill Murray helps train

the new Ghostbusters but he's a ghost that sounds so much better and also with Farley maybe his whole thing

for years and years was they'd be like Bill Bill, Ghostbusters 3. And he'd be like, I don't want to do it. I'll only do it if you kill me off. And that was just his way of saying like, fuck off. I don't care. Right. And they, like teams and teams of writers over 15 years were like, okay, so act one is Bill Murray dies.

Act two is he comes back as a ghost. Like everyone was constantly trying to crack the like bill murray dies in the first act ghostbusters movie they would have called him and he would have been like no that's not what i meant i meant don't bother me but there was one that was like it was pointedly like it was him mentoring oscar the baby from ghostbusters 2 as a ghost was that the year one guy's script i believe that was that script yeah uh i bet he died i bet they've cracked it in the new one and he does die you think he dies i think he gets a han solo like no bull so i bet but other but answer the call universe bill murray is still around whatever

no he died he jumped out a window i didn't see the movie he's dressed like paul feig and he jumps out a window they kill him. And like make a full announcement. I realize now I saw like a grainy video of Aykroyd's cameo, but not Murray's cameo. I contend that Murray's cameo is the good one in that movie. I think Sigourney Weaver's is the good one because it makes sense.

You know what? They're the good two. The other ones are all like fucking stab me in the eyes. I'm a big answer the call defender. I like it a lot as a movie, but anytime like they have someone come on and say the inverse of the line they used to say

I want to murder myself which Dan Aykroyd pioneered in Casper when he runs out of the house who are you going to call? somebody else also we should have said at this point we've defeated boss Dan Aykroyd

in a Patreon exclusive it's funny to be talking about this post Also, we should have, of course, said at this point, we've defeated boss Dan Aykroyd. Oh, yeah. It's funny to be talking about this post-defeating a ghostly. These are major spoilers. But for you, not for the listener. You know, we're in the underworld and we fought and defeated Dan Aykroyd. Oh, of course, as one does. Yeah, yeah. It's all ironic to be talking about this.

Yeah, we survived. And you can listen to it at patreon.com slash fuckisright, the underworld episode. That's one of those things where I'm like watching this. Yeah, we survived and you can listen to it at patreon.com slash podcast ride the underworld episode. That's one of those things where I'm like watching this I'm like I found this so I would have found this so funny as a 12 year old and right now

it makes me want to vomit when Donkey says didn't oh I know you died in the first movie to Farquaad's ghost. It's not a self-reflexive if you decide you're that

early on Wayne's world knows it's that you know pretty quick. Totally. He's talking to you pretty fast so that's it but you can't if you decide you're that early on, Wayne's world knows it's that pretty quick. Totally. He's talking to you pretty fast. But if you've never done anything like that, you can't do it in the 4D theme park movie. And there's a weird amount of fourth wall breaks where Farquaad's ghost pops out and shushes the audience.

Like, don't tell him I'm a ghost. Fiona does the Matrix jump kick spin again, but Thelonious gets her this time. There are a lot of pop culture references. Oh, Donkey says, I see dead people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so much stuff that's so like, it's dated both in terms of where they're placing it within the larger Shrek mythology,

and it's dated in terms of every joke they're making. I'm side-noting too much. All of this makes me think that Deadpool really deserves a 3D film in a theme park. Deadpool almost is being short-shrifted by only getting mainstream theatrical movies and not theme park attractions. That is Deadpool's ultimate medium. What if also that's the first time we may have talked about this before, if you get carded in a theme park attraction

for the first time. It's not a bad idea. As I said, all of these theaters are all husks in the Disney parks. That Tomorrowland one, the former EO, turned that into a 17 and up only Deadpool attraction. As soon as a kid sneaks in, though, they're screwed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. As soon as a 12-year-old. I mean, most Deadpool comics are technically like PG-13. Sure. There's like one or two runs of like. Oh, okay. You can lessen it to 13. So you can lessen it to that.

He can still make some of his like cutting pop culture remarks. He'd call somebody Rosie O'Donnell or something. He can know that he's part of a theme park attraction. He can reference how much the tickets cost. I bet he would. Right, and he would also say, maybe I can't say the words I normally would say. Right.

So there's that. Thanks a lot, Bob Chapek. Yeah, and he would, of course, call out the head of consumer products. Call out the recent loss of themed performers. Bob Chapek, the Farqua loss of themed performers. Bob Chip. The Farquad of Disney parks. Yeah, he'll be bugging us past his death.

There's a weird, there's like stuff that, like Donkey calls himself a noble steed, which I think is a callback to the first Shrek movie. When he flies away, he yells about waffles, and Fiona's like, what was that about waffles? And Shrek's like, oh, it's a long story. And it's like,

that doesn't really pay off. There are callbacks like that that don't even function as like jokes. They're just kind of victory laps. Yes. They're like, remember this thing

from a year ago that you liked? Like Donkey was, well, I want to know the logic of the travel itinerary. Like Donkey was coming on the honeymoon with them, but then at the end he goes home,

let's go home, sweetie, to the dragon. And it's like implying they're going to make waffles and fuck. And Shrek and Theodore are like, okay, now we can fuck. But then there's a big party. So then there's a party that Donkey and the dragon are not at, but the three blind mice are there. I have not seen Trek 2 since I saw it probably three times in theaters when it was released. But from what I remember, it starts on their honeymoon, opening credit montage of them

enjoying their honeymoon set to Accidentally in Love by Pounding Crows, an Academy Award nominated song. Yeah yeah i remember that performance and then they're like in bed like post coital and donkey like pops up in between the two of them like i remember donkey's introduction trek to being a joke that he is showing up out of nowhere in an intimate moment i'm all but certain that's how donkey's introduced so they need to like explain why donkey isn't with them for the latter leg of their trip to the hotel, but also can't make a movie without Donkey. So they have to like explain why he's that they go on their actual honeymoon, which is quickly wrapped up, and then it's getting past the honeymoon stage of the relationship where they start to go through challenges and tribulations, and it's like the honeymoon is over in two ways. You could argue the honeymoon is ogre, and that is kind of the main conflict of Shrek 2. Does he, in that, where you end up at the end of Shrek 4D

in that honeymoon suite, hotel, whatever, does he get her pregnant in that place? No, the babies come in at the end of Shrek 3. Oh, not for all. How many babies does he have? I should know the names of all of his babies. Yeah, Mike, you should. Okay, I do like them.

I don't know their names. I don't know what they look like, but I do will say I like all seven of them. They're like the baby Grinch. Of course you like them. They of his babies. Yeah, Mike, you should. Seven. Okay, I do like them. I don't know their names. I don't know what they look like, but I do will say I like all seven of them. Well, they're like the baby Grinch. Of course you like them. They are like baby Grinch. They're like seven baby Grinches. They all have very distinct names, and they have, like, such extensive merchandise lines of, like, these are their different personalities.

Like, Shloopy's, like, the sporty one. You know? Like, things that are not in the movie at all, but it was so clear they were, like, this is, like, our Cabbage Patch kids kids we can sell like green babies and they're multiples oh scott you're gonna hate them yes i won't see this no wonder three is the worst they're fucking shitty god yeah so they why did you uh why do you like them cont. Yeah, I liked them before I met them. They're like my own children. Oh, here's a good picture of one of the ogre triplets. No!

Are there only three of them? I could have sworn there were like ten. This just says ogre triplets. I think there's three, but a handful. That is very... It's like Evan 7. Shrek father, Fiona mother, unnamed paternal grandfather, unnamed paternal grandmother. Why do they list that?

I don't know. Shrek's parents never show up. Yeah. Oh, well, that, really? Four movies and Shrek's parents? That's like the parents with Shrek? Well, Shrek 2 is meet the parents with Fiona's parents. Or meet the Fockers, we should say.

You never get to meet the Fockers, which would have been meeting the Ogres. The Shrek book is largely about, from what I remember, I know this was a big part of when they did Shrek on Broadway, that Shrek was born so ugly his parents threw him in a ditch. Jeez. And that was part of the animated movies for so long, in the various incarnations of this film before the first Shrek comes into existence. Like Max Shrek's friend, the penguin. Correct. That it was a penguin-esque backstory, and that's why Shrek became so grumpy. Farkle, Fergus, and Felicia.

Fergus? Farkle, Fergus, and Felicia. Everyone say it with me. Farkle, Fergus, and Felicia. Everyone say it with me. Farkle, Fergus, and Felicia. We gotta make Farkle and Fergus and Felicia shirts. Oh, the and the ampersand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And unknown paternal grandfather.

Farkle and Fergus and Felicia and Griffin Newman. Shrek and Fiona's four children. So my memory is right. Shrek 1 is the courtship. Shrek 2 is the honeymoon, them getting over the parents. Shrek sort of overcoming his sense of inferiority about being lower class than Fiona. She of royalty.

Shrek 3, she gets pregnant at the beginning. And then most of the movie is him being like, oh, fuck fuck i don't know if i can handle this and he goes on this weird road trip with justin timberlake playing king arthur but he's like a brat and most of the movie is just like we want you to buy justin timberlake as a movie star and then the babies are born at the very end and trek 4 is like house of handfuls i can't take this I don't have a social life anymore. Remember when Donkey and I used to hang out, the good old days?

So he wishes that the previous Shrek movies hadn't happened. Oh, that's why. And that's the It's a Wonderful Life. Okay, okay, sure. So Shrek 4 ends with him being like, I do want to be in this franchise. Okay, all right. Franchise over. And yet, yeah, then it disappeared.

So we have to explore the children in the next movies however they come out. They could be grown now. Farkle goes to college. Farkle's road trip. Farkle's big move. A movie for each triplet.

We should see all of their college adventures. They all go vastly across far, far away where they live. Three kids just like the Roy. Shiv and Kendall and Romulus. Fighting for the Shrek fortune. Fighting for the Shrek fortune. Shrek star.

Shrek session. Shrek session. That's it. That's the reboot. I found a People Magazine article from May 1st, 2007, exclusive. Shrek's baby is revealed. So Shrek had a baby revealed in People Magazine. He sold it to the media, to people.

What a whore. I graduated college. Shrek had babies. 2007, hell of a year for all of us. So just a little odd little fact I found reading about this that kind of ties into running stuff into the ground um the voice actor who was the voice of pinocchio and the three blind mice um uh i lost i thought i had his name i've lost his name and i don't have this connected to wi-fi he also directed uh cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2

and open season 3 wow did you guys know there were three open seasons no i think are there not four now are there four i feel like there might be a fourth now let me look this up um i have something to say about these me not being a particularly big Shrek fan. I think it's often a ripe area, the voices that are clearly done not by a famous person, but by a behind-the-scenes member of the animation team. Joe Ranft as Heimlich in Bug's Life is wonderful. That was the big breakthrough. Brad Bird as Edna Mode.

Some fantastic characters have that equation. Most infamously, Walt Dorn as the voice of Rumpelstiltskin in Shrek Forever After. Walt Dorn. Good pull, good pull. I got a doozle hand over here. But I feel bad. I don't want to insult these specific people who are obviously clearly great directors and everything, but I don't, I can tell, I think it's just something that bothers me about Shrek, that all of the pigs in the gingerbread mitt, that they all,

I don't love them the way I love Edna Mote or Heim. I feel like that trick doesn't work that well, the animator doing the voice. And I feel like it's like, voices anybody could do! That's actually, by the way, very accurate. Oh yeah, very spot on. I may have tried that once could do like that's actually by the way very accurate i may have tried that once at home and that's it uh so it's not very practiced but so it goes to show you could just throw it out uh i don't know i just don't that's just a i think a criticism i have about this attraction i i could just i watched it and i'm like oh and these are animators worked on the movie i know this is cody Cody Cameron. Okay. There were three open seasons

and an open season colon scared silly. Great. Which I think was a Halloween direct-to-video. Because we should mention, on Netflix, where a form of Shrek 4D is currently viewable, it is filed under Shrek's Spooky Tales, which is a little Netflix subheading

for DreamWorks Halloween specials. Can I really quickly... It's retitled The Ghost... The Tale of... The Ghost of Lord Farquaad or something like that? The Ghost of Farquaad. I have the breakdown. This was released on DVD with Shrek 2 as Shrek 3D.

And it's a DreamWorks spooky story as The Ghost of Lord Farquaad. It aired on Nickelodeon as Shrek's never-before-seen adventure, despite coming after several of these. And that was aired right before Shrek the Third came out. It was like in the drum-up of Shrek. Okay, okay. Shrek Third. And then also as part of something called Shrek's Thrilling Tales.

And it was published as a comic book by Dark Horse Comics. Right. So this is like five, four, no, six counting the theme park. tales and it was published as a comic book by Dark Horse Comics. They've just fucking beaten this one thing into the ground. Is there any other prominent thing like this where they showed the 3D theme park movie on TV and Netflix? Captain EO, there was a Michael Jackson marathon on

VH1 in like 97 and it was the only TV airing of Captain EO and that's the only reason anybody could see it in any way because that was taped off TV. During a Michael Jackson A to Z, they showed everything. Wow. But like a non-3D, a 4x3,

so it wasn't the ultimate. Is that why people even have it on YouTube? Yes, exactly. That's why it has like credits and stuff you don't see in the thing. Right, like Shrek was released, like Shrek 3D was released as a DVD that was packaged with the first Shrek

when Shrek 2 was coming out. It has its own case that Shrek wearing red and blue 3D glasses. Oh, and they give you glasses. It comes with red and blue 3D glasses, and you could watch it DVD quality at your home. It was a disc with just 12 minutes on it dreamworks was very canny about this they had the full team back they had like the a-listers

working on the shrek uh 3d 4d they working on that movie katzenberg oversaw the same thing they retained the rights that was their whole thing was universal was like we would love a shrek attraction they're like we'll make a Shrek attraction and give it to you. And that's how they were able to sell it as a DVD and sell it to other theme parks, too. It would be great if we knew how much money Shrek 4D made. I would love. What if it's the most successful film of all? That is what I'm getting at.

In terms of all revenue streams. But that's nuts to me in terms of just like the beginning of the end of like things becoming a little less special you go like Shrek 4D opens at two theme parks in the United States of America and a year later is available

on DVD and like the attendance stayed high for a while but you're just like like fucking bloom off the rose yeah we're two movies past this in terms of chronology it's available in four home media formats it's airing on nickelodeon like what is this unrelated theme parks in germany and it's so bad minus the 3d effects, there are so many sort of, like, super sweaty, like, someone throws a thing at the screen. Yes.

Someone pokes their finger in the audience's eye. That is one of the worst ones I've ever seen where Shrek goes to the carriage and points right at you. That might be the worst 3D in your face I've ever seen. They were also, like, these were all sent out. Like, all these tropes have been sent up already.

Right. Not even just in Muppets were all sent out, like, all these tropes have been sent up already. Right. Many, not even just in Muppets or something, like, just other places. I think that's what's so embarrassing about it, is, like, Shrek is, like, trying to get off on being, like, the Deadpool of its time. Like, look at us, we're acknowledging the frame, we're calling out the bullshit of this other, like,

family entertainment, like, the tropes of fairy tales and everything. But then Shrek is earnestly doing the hokiest 3D movie tricks without any self-awareness. And it's like, you want at the very least Donkey to be calling out

like, that would look good in 3D. As much as I wouldn't respect that comedically, I would respect it artistically as part of an attraction. It would be more in line with what the franchise is. Totally. And that they do it once, and it's a bad thing. It doesn't need to be.

He doesn't need to say you died in the first movie. He probably does need to say, aren't these some cheap 3D tricks? Right, because otherwise, like, the pre-show stuff is all, like, talking to the audience. Like, the magic mirror is talking to the audience. The pigs are talking to you. They're explaining that they need to keep you in lockdown to interrogate you. Like the premise is that they're going to lock you in a room to interrogate you. And then just a movie starts and the movie just occasionally characters look at you.

Oh yeah. But you're not like part of the narrative in the way that like T2 3D, it's like very clear of like they're hacking the system and now you're getting part of the narrative in the way that T2 3D, it's very clear of they're hacking the system, and now you're getting a glimpse into the future, and they're here at the Cyberdyne presentation, and all that. And it becomes a movie that you're not a part of, but it begins with the Kimberly Duncan and everything to get, and now we go to film shots. Right, but then you get live action people coming in as well.

It's moving back and forth. Muppet Vision is a show for the audience. Honey, I Shrunk the audience is a presentation for the audience i wonder if they just worked backwards and we're like all right we need like the seats will move so we just need a place where they like going fast through something and we need a place where and they just were like just throw some jokes in there and no one's right so we can do the rat thing and not specific enough that you can probably transfer it to parks who don't want to pay for the full modification. Yes. That's true, too.

Yes. That you can sort of do the – I mean, I think that's like – With no pre-show. Right. I think a lot of the success of that SpongeBob movie is that, like, the brand is strong and they have made it in a way where it works in any 4D theater. Oh, okay. You know? Only basics.

There's not – there's no – they don't have to build the theater to do a certain thing. If you have smells, then maybe they can put, you know, water in there. He got some water spritzing. I mean, this has multiple water. But it's not, like, totally reliant on it. It would be funny to look at, like, the list, the a la carte list of all the additions for Shrek if you were buying it. And, like, do you want his fart smell? Okay, that's going to be an extra $2,000 a month.

Because he farts a lot. He farts a lot. He farts a lot. He's Shrek. There are bits in this where i was like why is this happening like the extended like you know in a 12 minutes short a full minute devoted to like fiona crying in the onion carriage yeah i'm like what you're only supposed to be depressed after you get married you know years later whatever like a great yeah uh marriage is sick all of them shrek franchise just becomes like fucking kevin can wait like that's what sucks is they just become like fucking middle-aged like animators griping about how much they hate their home lives well

also this the arc of this that you really follow is jinji just experiencing trauma he's locked up manages to escape builds a beautiful home and then shrek and donkey fuck it up another horrible joke when they run when they drive through the gingerbread home it looks like shrek has austin powers teeth yes that's what that gag is i rewound it because i was like what are they doing and then i realized that's the bit it's that the filling the cream and the gingerbread now resembles austin power's mouth wow i don't know if i've ever picked up on that i thought it because that's just like a looney tunes gag too with the piano right but it clearly looks up it's too specific i was like there's something going on here i'm not getting i rewound it because i was like did it play into an effect in the theater somehow and then that thing with the onion carriage was like that where i was like, there's something going on here I'm not getting. I rewound it because I was like, did it play into an effect in the theater somehow?

And then that thing with the onion carriage was like that, where I was like, why is this much time devoted to this? It doesn't really have any bearing on the rest of it. It's not like there's any emotional arc about like, because she says like, no, I'm not crying about my marriage. I'm crying about the onion. I was like, oh, right. I think there were onion smells.

It's really stagnant too. And you can barely see her. Why are we just watching a half visible Fiona? I think there were onion smells. It's really stagnant, too, and you can barely see her. Why are we just watching a half-visible Fiona? I think it was a smell. I think it was a smell thing from my memory where they're introducing the scent thing. Because there were a couple other moments, like the farts or whatever,

where I'm like, that was clearly a smell. Yes. I'll say this. Some things I like about it. One, great spot to cool down for 15 minutes. Great spot to cool down for 15 minutes. Great spot to cool down for 15 minutes. There is,

I'm trying to think of what the other gag I liked is, but I like the gag where Thelonious and Fiona are on the raft and he cuts the rope and Farquaad is yelling, you idiot,

you're still on the raft. And he's like, uh-oh. Like he's floating away. Oh. That's a solid gag. And then you get a crotch hit. And then you get a crotch hit. You get a big crotch hit.

Yeah. So much dick stuff. Pinocchio's nose is the boner at the end. And that doesn't really make sense. That doesn't really... I caught that the last time we saw it before it closed.

They say, what are you doing? And he says nothing and his nose grows. But it's like, what's... What? Because they're all talking... He's going to have sex with the dragon

and then Fiona and Shrek are also I think what they're saying something to each other about a honeymoon or whatever. No but that is the joke is like he wedges in between the two of them they say what are you doing here? He says nothing and then his nose grows. Right he's horny. What the fuck? The implication is like he's there to do something salacious?

That is the illusion of a joke? He's going to jerk off because he's thinking about either Shrek and Fiona or the dragon. He's drilled a peephole and rented the room next to theirs? Yes. He's going to jerk off because he's thinking about either Shrek and Fiona or the dragon. He just drilled a peephole and rented the room next to theirs? Yes. He's hiding in the vents?

It's the most nonsensical dirty joke in a theme park, I think. The rules of ghosts in this world, too, are that the dragon saves them at the end, can shoot a fireball

at this ghost, and then it becomes little tiny ghosts that dissipate. What the fuck? That's a bit of a leap for me. The resolution of this movie is, oh, they kill the ghost.

Shoot it with a gun. What are you talking about? That's the problem that you were saying, Mike, that if you just died and were a ghost and everything was the same, don't forget about second death. Yeah. Right.

That was brutal. So the first one hurts so much. No problem. You become Ghost Mike, and you're so much more powerful. You have all the same relationships you had. Your friends are there for you. Second death, you become like a thousand little Mikes

and they suck and they can't do shit. You're just heads. They should really. So wait, Farquaad never came back? No. There's like a quick fantasy sequence. No, he's not like the grand villain of the Shrek franchise. It's weird that

they were like oh we're gonna make the the shrek theme park attraction specifically be the far quad resolution the far quad epilogue that is not necessary because the first movie ends with the far quad being eaten alive yeah so maybe the new shrek movie is just called Farquads, and it's about all the ghosts, the different ghosts. We'll reappear briefly. Yeah. Isn't it? Yeah. How much does it not land the moment of, he's back!

Like they yell in the pre-show that Farquad's back, and that's supposed to hit you right in the chest. Yeah. The psychotic villain. He's back. Like, who cares? And why would he be? So here's... The funny thing

that later for me is reading about this movie is they were all paid like $300,000. Great, I was just about to bring this up. Okay, yeah, go ahead. No, no.

First Shrek movie, $300,000. About $300,000. For the four of them, right? For Lithgow, Myers, Diaz. Each, each. Right, $300,000 each, which at the time

was pretty pretty good no one gets paid that much for being a you know voiceover in an animated film they had no sequel contracts so for the sequels which they're starting production like two months later they got a strike while the iron's hot murphy diaz and mike myers. $10 million, baby. $10 million. But then baked into the contract was, you got to do Shrek 4D. Like, that's pro bono. Like, that's part of the deal. Whereas Lithgow, they were like, hey, can you do us a favor and come back and do this theme park ride?

How much does it suck to be John Lithgow? Where everyone else, the theme park thing is like, fine, that's just like icing on the cake, whatever. I'm going to buy four new homes with my $10 million. They got to have tossed him like a few hundred thousand or something. He got scale. He got theme park money. Oh, no. What we've heard is not good. Nothing seems to indicate that it's good.

Myers and Murphy did go to the premiere. They were at the Universal Studios Hollywood and were at the premiere and just really quick other people there. Too notoriously anti-social, like anti-press. It was weird to see them

hanging around with Katzenberg. Also at the premiere, Christine Lottie, Michael York, Austin Powers buddy. But they then married Bradley Woodford and Jane Kazmarek,

Richard Schiff. Keenan Ivory Wayans. Donald Logue. Michael Gross. And Richard Dean Anderson. Whoa. Isn't that gross? Yeah, very strange.

And child. Yeah. Most of Getty Images has like 400 photos of Richard Dean Anderson and his kids. And child. And child. So. Ferkel. Ferkel Dean Anderson. Ferkel Dean Anderson and his kids. And Child. Ferkel. Ferkel Dean Anderson.

Ferkel Dean Anderson. That is a very end of 90s couple. Kaczmarek Whitford. Yeah, right. Star of Malcolm in the Middle, star of West Wing. Yes. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. They were ruling like prime time at that point. Yeah. So on Blank Check, my podcast, we finished recording them but they're still coming out i guess by the time this comes out they'll be done but uh we were doing all the miyazaki films we went through his whole filmography and in our episode on spirited

away we started out talking a lot about shrek because i was like this is a really interesting counterpoint like spirited away versus sh, they both technically come out the same year. Oscar nominees against each other? Spirit Away doesn't get released in the States until the following year. So it then wins

the second best animated. Oh, weird. Shrek wins Spirit Away. Right. So Shrek wins the first year. Spirit Away wins the second year. But they both are released everywhere else in the world

in 2001. Okay. And they could not be further apart as films and our guest david reese has not seen any of the shrek films and i was trying to explain to him like there was a movie that won an oscar that was like very seriously in the mix to win the palm dora con that opens with uh shrek ripping a page out of a storybook to wipe his ass, the sound of flushing in an outhouse, and then he kicks open the door to All-Star by Smash Mouth, which had already was two years old for Mystery Man.

It was already in a movie. It's the weirdest thing. And this was taken very seriously, this film. So that started this whole jag about how much worse Shrek has aged than Spirited Away, which some of that is the runoff of the shittier versions of Shrek. Because I think the original Shrek is half good. I think there's half respectable

qualities to it. Yeah, yeah, sure. I think it is weird in that it is so much existing in direct response to Disney that it just has the least appeal and color palette of all time. Well, and you,

you're portraying all those other things. They're having to show all of the Disney characters, but not Disney. If I, the princesses, they're just uglier versions of all those character designs. Yeah. That those choices.

And it's that weird balance of like the humans are a little too photorealistic. Like they're trying, like they're not really stylized enough. Their facial hair is gross. Uh, but it also like that movie has like they're not really stylized enough their facial hair is gross uh but it also like that movie has like a color palette that's like entirely like dirt and spit pea soup you know like split pea soup it's all like pale it's a it's very pale and like earthy in like a bad way um but there's like stuff in it that's respectable. There's like some basic storytelling fundamentals.

It like works as a thing. It has like emotions in it. Unlike like the later entries which become like so like just gag bullshit. But there's the half of it that ages so badly which is just like, hey, we all agree that Disney's like bullshit. Make fun of the theme parks. Make fun of these stories. Have Fiona like sing but her singing so bad it kills a bird like all this shit right and like the movie star personas and all of that

and when this comes out i'm like 12 or 13 and my sister's a bunch younger so i went to see shrek with her and she was like four and she loved shrek and a thing that i didn't think about until we were like a couple shreks in was like oh my sister did not grow up with the Disney classics like Shrek came in at the point in time when she would have started watching those movies she was three maybe yeah and so for her and a bunch of people of that generation their perception of the fairy tales was the versions from shrek over the versions that the shrek versions are just riffing on wild like it's this weird copy of a copy thing where like you're getting the cynical version of the thing rather than the earnest version of the thing and they're

all too young to remember September 11th. Right. So that's a really warped point of view. My sister thought that was just a big fire. It was visible out our window in New York City. They went, that's just a big fire. Did Farquaad do this? Yes.

That was her first question. It was visible out your window? Yeah. Jesus Christ. But this was, I said, I didn't get into that sort of detail, but I was talking about how poorly Shrek has aged. And it became the most controversial thing I have ever said on my podcast. People were irate.

And I was like, I just think Shrek, like no one has fond memories of Shrek memes that feel like kids who grew up with Shrek who are now 24 looking at Shrek and being like Shrek is weird and then meme-ifying it. I assumed it was a whole generation rejecting. It's like we just realized that things can be bad and this is the sacrificial lamb. That Shrek is kind of cynical and gross and let's make fun of how cynical it was by having Shrek make out with hitler or like whatever and do it like the 10 hour loops and bizarre and tricks every time they say shrek movie also feels like oh this is like so weird that we watch this as children but

is it just that they like our generation has memefied the simpsons to death and we love the simpsons right are they doing it to shrek because they love Shrek? I think that's the thing. That's what's weird is it does feel like there are people who still have... And look, we're dudes who are super nostalgic for a bunch of things that people think are dumb. And all of us will stomp and stand tall and

argue for eight hours why the things have merit and artistic integrity. So I'm never going to shit on anyone else for liking a thing that I think doesn't age well. But my underlying thesis was like, I think it looks bad now. I think it's a very product, very much a product of that time and CGI animation, the capabilities.

Whereas like Pixar was more stylized. Shrek was going for a level of detail that now just looks kind of crappy. And also that the film is so cynical. I'm like, I can't imagine you would have like emotional like, well, you know, like Shrek and Fiona and Donkey meant a lot to me like growing up. Yeah. You know? Right. Right.

You'd watch it now and you'd be like, these characters suck. Like I liked them at the time too. Like I saw these movies. I saw them with my sister. But I don't feel like my sister has any sort of like lost love for shrek where she does for other like daddy daycare was like her movie that she watched all the fucking time and she's got this weird childhood like nostalgia for eddie murphy but it's like it's that you know like that's her one but are you saying people were upset with you because they do legitimately like shrek yes i guess they were

upset with me saying i don't think anyone legitimately likes shrek which i agree was maybe a little bit too broad of a brush but i was reacting more to the the meme culture like it but i think it is what you were talking about uh some i mean people are I feel like I read a couple things saying, like, the new Joker movie is not, it's less about the Joker, the comic book character, and more it's about trying to process the Joker as cultural icon in the last 10, 15 years and stuff. It's processing the Heath Ledger Joker. But, like, Spirited Away, a movie I would call haunting, moving, archived in film archives, shown in museums. Cinema.

Like cinema, you know? Not paranormal. We'll mean the same thing showing it to anyone at any age, at any time. Like it will always have a power. Subs or dubs? What did you guys settle on?

We mostly did subs. The only one I watched with dubs was Howl's Moving Castle because I was tired. Which they sometimes get like dubs for those Miyazaki movies are star studded affairs like Shrek. Which one has Hartman?

Kiki's Delivery Service. He's the cat. But they very much feel like who are the people in the Disney stable or who are people who are big at that specific moment where like Shia LaBeouf is like the sort of innocuous like young male love interest I think in Nausicaa Valley of the Wind where you're like a year later he was a leading man yeah you know and a year like two years earlier he was even

Stevens and that's the one like transition like the greatest game ever played zone where he would do that um but the Shrek thing yeah yeah, it's very bizarre to me. And I also just feel like now Disney has sort of so reclaimed their territory where they've like even like more greatly perfected the princess musical. Oh, yeah. And ones that don't need to be like, we don't have to make fun of the tropes of damsel in distress and that kind of thing. We can make fun of ourselves.

All the princesses show up and wreck it ralph too right and like like in what's her name in frozen she burps totally yeah that's the thing they took the wind out of shrek's sails they were like like tangled is like self-aware but sincere you know yeah so then that for me just makes shrek feel like completely obsolete we don't need it we grew out of shrek yeah but for a certain like the prequels for a certain generation that was their special thing totally right which you know it's like i'm a little younger than you guys i was like the upper end of middle school which was like you, and you're at like the beginning of high school. Mid high school. No, for Shrek, I'm saying. Oh, okay.

Right. Yes. Yeah, mid high school. And that's like the zone where you were like, oh, it's like, this one's like actually kind of edgy. Like we can like all go see this together. Sure.

And then I feel like Shrek 2, I saw and it almost felt like nostalgia. And by Shrek 3, everyone was like, we're not seeing this. Like all my friends my age were like 16. We're not going to see this, you know?

But your sister being younger and staggered with shreks in a different manner yeah how does she feel about the later ones i feel like she only ever saw one and two and she was like all in on the first shrek like had shrek toys and everything and then i feel like to just diminish returns like you know some other franchise came along that she liked more I think you know what it wasn't a French it was devil wears Prada she realized she could watch movies about women having careers and my sister was like oh no no this is the thing I like oh my sister always was just from a very young age into movies where people have to like navigate

office culture or like divorce movies like rebounding after divorce so if shrek was in the devil wears prada love it oh yeah it would be perfect the bricks but it was there was a weird thing where like uh shrek 2 was at the time of its release the third highest grossing film in history. It was Titanic, then original Star Wars, counting the releases, and then Shrek 2. And of course now it is each, it's Adam Sandler's Murder Mystery. Right. Is that the name of it?

What's it called? It's just called Murder Mystery. They're working on a sequel apparently. Yeah. Untitled Murder Mystery. Murder Mystery grossed what, like seven billion hypothetical dollars? And you love to see it what like seven billion hypothetical dollars and you love to see it we love to see it success in america i just had a a cursed uh uh memes originally were known as viral ideas and this might actually make

us sick shrek comes back but it's like watson and Holmes, and it's really topical, because you can do CGI quickly now. So Shrek is making Trump jokes. Ooh, it's a self-photograph. Well, this is what I want to say. I don't know if I'm jumping ahead here. I mean, we got other stuff, but if we're going to talk, plus it up.

Let's do it. I was saying we're veering into longest episode territory, which I wouldn't mind. Shrek 4D being longest episode is pretty perfect for us. That's a good very fun. Well, I don't want to declare that. We'll see where it goes. We'll save the Shrek. A parking garage Shrek.

We'll save the Shrek musical for another episode. I think we have to. Brian Darcy Daines is a true talent. Yes. But there's a farting song. So this is obviously right. They've replaced this with the DreamWorks Animation Theater, which feels so shitty to me.

Just in Hollywood, still running in Orlando. Right, right. Shrek 4D is still in Orlando? Still running. We can go see it. We're going to go see it. I don't want to. We're going to go see it, yeah.

This thing they bring up in the Yes, Trilland video. Well, you should, yeah. I mean, get in four Fallons before one Shrek 4D. That takes priority. The thing they bring up in the Yesterland video was that even as late as 2007, I think, attendance was so high for Shrek 4D in Orlando, they built a second screen. Second screen. There were two theaters,

so they could double the amount of people seeing it every 20 minutes. In 2015, they upgraded the ride in Hollywood and built a brand new queue, like planters and stuff, so it didn't look like shit when Harry Potter was going to open.

And then they closed it down in 2017 anyway. What? Why bother? I wonder if it's like a J.K. Rowling thing where she's like, nothing around it must look like shit either. She just hates Shrek. Or she just doesn't like Shrek.

She thinks he's too cynical. We didn't even touch on the weird meet and greet with Robot Donkey that was operated by someone who was almost always white. Oh, yeah. You're talking about the waffle cart. Yes.

There's this other thing where eventually the queue became that they stopped doing the pigs in the cages. Right. And they were just talking about donkey who could interact with. Yeah, you're talking about the donkey in the park. Yeah, but there was one that was the pre-show as opposed to what you're talking about, which is also there, which is the donkey outside the attraction waffle cart. But that I'm saying the waffle cart is still around.

Am I wrong? Yeah, I think so. I believe waffle cart is still around. It's still part of the DreamWorks theater. And Shrek is still around. Am I wrong? Yeah, I think so. I believe Waffle Cart is still around. It's still part of the DreamWorks theater. And Shrek is still, you can find him. You can find him, you can find the farting troll, you know, all your favorites. Isn't that so lame, though, that they're just like,

oh, in terms of theming, that now there's just an attraction that is, oh, look, it looks like the offices where they animated Shark Tale. You know, the actual show building. It's like the offices all our friends are constantly fired from. Right. It's like the same thing as like the Fallon thing,

where it's like, I understand, like, Rockefeller Center at least is more iconic. Yeah, that's at least something you might recognize. Like, oh, I saw this on TV. Totally. Well, for a long time, Disney Studios in Florida has been like, part of it is like you're at the Pixar. So this is pretty common.

Yeah, that is what the comparison is. The mythologizing of the people who make the thing that the ride's based off of. The Quibi offices will eventually be the home of a minimal office. We just wanted to do something a little minimal and then you walk in and like,

this is the nicest place I've been in 14 months. The Quibi shavers the Quibi barbershop quartet will sing to you. My favorite Quibi. They are going to go back to some more traditional carnival like fun house techniques where the

office is like when you enter a fun house the spinning room. The office is going to the long ways is this haunted room actually changing formats um well this is what i was gonna say so obviously you know dreamworks theater now i think the whole idea was there like modularity we can replace it and add new things it's not specifically themed to one thing and I guess have any of you gone on the

whatever the country we all have done it together we went to preview I live close enough by we get preview tickets sometimes to stuff how is it would you say it's better or worse than this I have not seen it it's better because it's new and it looks sharp and everything but it's a lot of the same

bullshit. The seats shake. There's a couple effects that are cool at the end. At the end, there's a cool effect. It's better because it's brighter, right? Sure. And it kind of invades the walls a little bit, which is fun. I feel like if Trolls World Tour does

well, it will be rethemed as a Trolls attraction within a year. Maybe. And that's a smart thing to be able to switch those out more often. Because that feels like the DreamWorks thing that's on an upswing rather than winding down. Okay, sure. But here's my plus it up idea hypothetically.

Okay? Knowing that the thing is already out of commission. Sure. Yeah. Talking about track, the topical references, the coarseness, right? The thing to do would have been to replace Bill and Ted's

Halloween Spectacular with a slightly less dark, family-friendly pop culture Shrek show. Oh. Yes. That's great. That is great.

I didn't have that specific thought, but I also, as we're doing this, this is very similar to the genie from the California Adventure live show, and it would be perfect for- Get the genie. He's out of work.

Bring him in. Give him a four-year contract to play Shrek. He knows how to have paint on, bright-colored paint on his face. Yeah. He's bald. He knows how to dress up like that. He did the fat bastard voice at parties, so he can do that voice, I'm sure. There's no doubt.

I'll say turn the theater, make a new 3D movie. Because now that it's passed a little time, he's been around for a little while, the roast of Shrek. All of the characters, all the fairytale characters, give him what for, and then he gives it right back. What I would love, since it is the DreamWorks Theater now, is if it were the roast of Shrek featuring a dais of DreamWorks characters

outside of the Shrek franchise. That would be good. Because there are other characters do factor into the pre-show of Kung Fu Panda, which is a little interesting. They do start to emerge a little bit. Shrek makes a little appearance before. And there's a cool effect that is sort of exactly the same effect from

Guardians of the Galaxy. A character picks up a thing. And Shrek asks to see your hands. Yeah. I can't do the voice. I wish I could do the voice. I know, I was about to try. My hands don't know. I was about to try. There's only going to be more of the gingerbread man.

My hands don't know. That's just rocket. That's rocket. Our fingers are too big. My hands don't scan. My hands don't scan. My hands don't scan. Don't scan.

Fart. Get in my belly. So the roast of Shrek. That's Jason's idea. And it's live puppeted so that we can reference. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, that you look worse than Giuliani. It should be like 45 minutes long.

Like it should be like a full people leader kind of show. I think that is good. Everyone weeping at the end because it gets hard. You know, ever since Fiona passed away, I am a single father of three. I just have a plus it up i want um humans playing the characters in the next movie that's what i want my plus it up to the movie franchise right is do a live action live action cats it's cat style i but i mean i want to cast edX but i truly don't want any cgi yeah you want a fully practical live action. Fully practical Shrek.

Because that's the musical. That's the musical. So get Brian Darcy James back, which again, we'll do a Patreon on this whole musical. Get Sutton Foster. All of them are in there and it's just practical Shrek. I have worked with people who, like costume people who worked in the costume department on the Shrek musical. Whoa. And it just sounded like the worst fucking thing in the world.

Like that poor man was just baked inside of this thing. He couldn't hear. He couldn't see. He was like dripping with sweat. paste um uh uh sanitary pads all over his body in between his flesh and the suit so they could absorb the sweat because it was impossible to take off any part of it and what's so weird about it is like at that same point in time like disney has so many musicals running where their costumes are so much more representational. And the Shrek musical, they're like,

he has to look like he stepped outside of the fucking cartoon. SpongeBob musical. He's just got a hairdo and shorts and shirt. But you look at every other person. If you get a photo of the Shrek musical, everyone else in the cast has a representational costume. Only Shrek is stuck. Me poor Brian.

Here's the thing though. Sorry, Brian. Here's the thing, though. Sorry, Brian, you're going to have to do it all again. And if it's a hit, more than once. So, pay him. Somebody once told him. I think let's declare it. Griffin Newman, you survived. Podcast, The Ride, the 3D film trilogy. Thank you for bringing this mini franchise to us.

And it does feel like this is the end of an era in a certain way. And we do move from what it's late 80s, early 90s to mid 90s to 2000s and the death of a dream. And then a couple years later, 3D becomes a mainstream thing. Not just with the universe. And also, rides start utilizing screens more with movement. Sure. So this kind of like,

sit people down and, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, though they still have them, they don't feel like the events. Right. And the DreamWorks Theater feels so incidental. Like, let's put something there. Right, right.

Like, sit down down we're watching this yeah maybe it is the last one in a way because the Minions ride and the Jimmy Fallon ride are both like the one step beyond it just being a 3D movie yeah it does move but like in a big just a big blunt kind of way

and Jimmy Fallon yeah I think we gotta do you're brave to volunteer and away. And Jimmy Fallon. I think we got to do. You're brave to volunteer. We miss Hagrid's. We miss the window when there's not a thunderstorm shutting down Hagrid's. We are on Fallon.

An indoor ride we could do all day. Yep. Seven times for all the new ones. But let's exit through the NBC gift shop is there anything you'd like to blow? yeah Blank Shack with Griffin and David is my podcast

by the time this comes out we'll be doing the films of Jonathan Demme oh that's cool very weird career and I am on Our Cartoon President a very weird career. I'm excited for that. And I am on Our Cartoon President.

I played Jared Kushner on that, of course. Typecasting. It's a weird conflict of interest job, because I keep on wanting him to get removed. Yes, for the sake of the world. Right, but then every time he doesn't,

I'm like, another 10 episodes. Another pickup on the contract. But if he went to jail and there's plots to have him in jail. Oh, please, I have pitched that to the writers. Oh, yeah. Because I'm like, look, I want to have it both ways. I want him to get arrested

and I also want to keep on working on the show. Yeah, and people can still watch The Tick on Amazon. I keep on plugging it because I'm terrified at some point it's going to disappear. All the streamers, you do worry. I say that to people, and they're like, oh, do you know something? And I'm like, no, but I just feel like all of like anything that isn't outright owned by a streamer, I think in five years there's going to start being weird purges as people take things back. I also think there's a weird like we were talking about it earlier with Disney and their like stuff like, you know, oh, like it feels like the company could have failed.

I still think things are going to fail left and right. Totally. Like we don't know what things look like in five years. I think three of these big streaming services are going to collapse in a spectacular fashion. Yes. The talk is dead out the door. Not Quibi. Not Quibi.

Never. No, no, no. Never Quibi. I wasn't talking about Quibi. Quibi is too tall. What are we talking about? Since we said this, real quick,

I don't know if you guys know this. Griffin, I don't know if you know this. There's a bunch, you can just watch a bunch of movies free streaming on IMDb now.

Yes. Like Shutter Island, the Hey Arnold movie, and a movie you're in draft day. Now available on IMDb. Now on IMDb. So double feature draft day and Hey Arnold movie or Zodiac draft day. IMDb? It's like starting its own streaming service. It's related to Amazon's, but it has a separate.

I think it's very weird Amazon's, but it has a separate... I think it's very weird. The interface is weird. Does it make your star meter go up when you watch it there? I don't know. I'm very curious to see. The draft day residuals always tell an interesting story. Much like an NFL draft day in real life. Well, that's the thing.

I will always get one disproportionately large draft a check a year and go like whoa and then i'll remember that is the period of time processing after the actual nfl draft oh it's like that's the residual check two months after when the actual draft happens where i think it plays on tv more and people like rent it digitally more the other big bump i saw was when it went on to airplanes and i got a crazy residual check like airplanes play it was insane i made this is no exaggeration i made more money in one check uh when it was only playing on airplanes than i did for doing the movie now that is that is i got paid scale for the movie. So it wasn't like an insane,

I didn't get like $120. That was dollars on an airplane. But it still was like, oh, this one check, it has not come out on home video yet. It is not available for digital rental. The only place it's viewable is on airplanes. And I got a check that outnumbered me working five weeks for scale. Wow.

Whoa, that's nuts. It was crazy. So I'm hoping IMDb, IMDb feels like it might be the perfect platform for draft day. Like there's, have luck with unorthodox. It works well in certain areas.

A big flop wasn't even released overseas, but huge on planes. Watch it on a plane then. Yeah, folks, watch it on a plane and demand airlines, on a plane. Yeah, folks, watch it on a plane and demand airlines acquire the circle. The Emo Watson circle.

Are you in the circle? I am in the circle for like 10 seconds. Gotta watch the circle now. Folks, demand it from your, wherever, planes, I guess. Get on a plane and yell, where is the circle? Where is the circle?

This again? Another plane full of circle heads? Call TSA. Drag him off the plane. Well, all right. So, yeah, watch Demand the Circle. Watch Draft Day on an airplane or an IMDb. That's my big plug.

I'm wiping my previous plugs. Just watch Draft Day on IMDb. I want to test the residual structure for IMDb. That's my big plug. I'm wiping my previous plugs. Just watch Draft Day and IMDb. I want to test the residual structure for IMDb. Sure. You've got to focus the play. I want to focus this. If you draw too many things. That's going to be the only thing I promote for the next six months.

Good idea. Just as an experiment. Yeah. Perfect. But we'll side promote Patreon.com slash podcast to ride the second gate where we will eventually do. I think let's just agree to it. Race to New York with Jimmy Fallon. Yeah. With Griffin Newman. Side promote patreon.com slash podcast, the ride, the second gate where we will eventually do Ray. I think we,

let's just agree to it. Race to New York with Jimmy Fallon, with Griffin Newman. The second you threw it out, I was like, I need to put in my gift. You came off the back wall. Yep. Me,

hello, hi. I'm in. I have made so many people unwillingly watch it. I have like taken out my cell phone and gone like, you need to sit here and watch this with me. The ride through, because I. Come on down to Orlando next week, brother. I have taken out my cell phone and gone, you need to sit here and watch this with me, the ride through. Come on down to Orlando next week, brother. I'm tempted.

I'm very fascinated with it for reasons I will save for a paywall. There's side material. There's so much to talk about. There is very, very much to talk about. That'll be there eventually. We also, stemming from Shredder, we should have coordinated it.

We got to do Father of the Pride. We also announced that at PTR. Oh, we did that. We're at the DreamWorks. And that's Katzenberg's high off of the Shrek supply. And that is an example of what you said you wanted, Mike. Donkey is just in an episode of Father of the Pride playing Donkey from Shrek. Yes, thank you. Yes, exactly. Existing in our

universe. That's the best. You know why we haven't done it yet? I think, I mean, we do have to do it because we said multiple times we'll do it. I don't think we, any of us, had six hours to carve out to watch a full season of television. No, we've been busy. Yeah, I know. And I think we do have to

unfortunately. We do. That does seem like the premise of the episode. Well, Jason, you should just binge all six hours tonight before you watch Haunted Mansion at 5 a.m. You know what? After three hours of podcasting, I'm feeling great and will definitely follow through with that good idea I had.

Boy, that first half hour of Haunted Mansion is going to be like more caffeine. Yeah caffeine just like straight into the veins energy I'll be up for days it takes half an hour for them to enter the house and another half an hour after they enter the house for anything spooky to happen

yeah it's a rough one get ready happy birthday to my dad this episode will be coming out around his birthday I guess probably something a little bit past happy anniversary Shrek, Shrek. Happy Shrek-iversary. All right. Well, we've been going for, you know where our things are.

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