Podcast: The Ride - Sleeping Beauty Castle

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

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Warning, the following podcasts may contain drippy rainbow art, reaching cape maturity, hypothetical spitting scenarios, and the beginning of the steak and bourbon wars all this plus we lower the drawbridge on sleeping beauty's castle hey it's podcast the ride Welcome to Podcast The Ride with three hosts who cleverly deploy forced perspective. For example, Mike appears quite tall, but in reality, he's actually a good deal shorter than Jason. Funny how that works.

You wouldn't know. When you see us on stage, it's a very clever forced perspective thing. Yeah, you know, this is Mike. And yes, Bob Gurr designed Jason and I almost 40 years ago to this day. So we're coming out about that. That's interesting. I've heard that rumor. Yeah, no, it's true.

I've seen it online, but you're affirming this? Only the clever engineering mind could have created Jason Sheridan? You know, you put enough turrets on my head and paint on my body. That's the thing people don't know. After hours, a lot of paint needs to be updated on me to keep the illusion consistent. There's a lot of maintenance going on. Your touch-up team, your perpetual round-the-clock glam squad. needs to be updated on me to keep the illusion consistent. There's a lot of maintenance going on. Your touch-up team, your perpetual round-the-clock glam squad.

And also got a great deal on that lead boy paint or whatever it was from... Lead boy? What was it called? Dutch boy? Huh? Dutch boy lead paint. Dutch boy?

Yeah. I don't think they were so out with the lead paint nature that it was in the lead boy lead boy it might have been in the subhead like i feel like it was like dutch boy lead paint or something yeah i forget the the name of it okay wait dutch boy tomorrowland what was the actual thing we're talking about a weird original disneyland uh uh let's see our something called our future and oh dutch boy paint gallery so yeah not not lead boy or um i mean it's a fun idea though if they really had i mean it definitely was an exhibit that involved how lead paint will be part of our future but if it had been much more so like they say they say 70 years in the future

this our paint will be 10 times as leady as it is today i mean artists do your work jason sheridan is lead boy lead boy shark i'll take it rejected 50s mascot lead boy lead boy lead paint marketing i feel like was like the four out of five doctors recommend Chesterfields for your T-zone. Good for your T-zone. What's up with T-zone? T-zone, like your mouth, your nose mouth. That was called the T-zone?

T-zone was a thing in marketing. What does it mean, though? I think it's just like your general lower face area. That's confusing because when you say T-zone, I go to a different part of the body. What do you mean, below the? Yes, yes. Well that's the P-zone.

Yeah, that's the P-zone. That's why I was confused. Oh, I see. When I think T, I think testosterone. Yeah, which is down in your P-zone. Well, it's everywhere, isn't it? Or your T-zone. I think testosterone is everywhere.

I mean, look, I don't... It's all around us. I think of the engine of the T-zone as being your two Ts. Is it the testosterone engine down there? Is that what it is? Am I just completely ignorant? Maybe. I, uh...

You think testosterone's coming out of your knees? I mean, I don't think it's coming out of my knees, but I feel t-zone is my knees circulating where what part i don't know exactly where i'm gonna find out you guys talk amongst yourselves i'm gonna find out where testosterone comes from maybe it's the balls maybe it makes sense i guess when you're saying it and if you were exposed if you were exposed to a lot of lead paint in the 1950s then that may have caused your balls to expand to such a rapid degree that people would think it was a massive throbbing t-zone but really that was just lead paint could be lower below the bell if you're talking tinkle time so excuse me tinkle time when you go pee yeah tingle you got a tinkle We're throwing a lot of, okay, I have the answer.

Scott is correct. The majority of it is produced in the testes. Yeah, where else in your mind? But the adrenal glands is also part. Yeah. They make a smaller amount of testosterone. Now, here's a dumb question. Where are the adrenal glands?

Your adrenal glands are like right here. Okay, okay. So you are mostly correct. Okay, I see. Okay. But the adrenals make some- I don't think my eyeballs are producing all of my testosterone. Well, I know you have other different glands.

That's the only reason. So obviously you were right, I'm just saying. Got tea shooting out of my teeth. Yeah. I mean, the only one so far who's measured their tea is me. But we still need to get definitive tea rankings for the three of us, I think. The audience really wants it. Do I just have to ask? Next time you're doing a physical ask, I think.

I don't think it's any extra. There's nothing about me that makes me believe mine would be especially high or higher than yours. I'll just set the bar there so that if I'm incorrect, but maybe that's kind of a mental T block I don't know

maybe it's very high yeah or just assuming as such I bet your T is pretty good I could be wrong but I bet your T is pretty good two kids well it might have something to do with it

it's not ten kids but it's but it's something no it's not 10 um it'll it'll never be to if i'd twice made quintuplets yeah you're a pro natalist guy yeah you're one of those what do you think what do you think your tea would be if you had to stack it against uh if i'm thinking mine's lower than Mike's and Mike's mine isn't well as we talked about before I was kind of disappointed with mine but then I saw what other people had and it made me look like a king or something

made me look like a warrior of some kind so I was totally off on what I even expected it to be. I think it's a big assumption also that kings have high T that's why I changed it to warrior because kings might set out to become kings right in order to make up for the lack of t i've been taking a lot of vitamin d lately and i feel like that i feel like pretty good so you're in your d zone i think i'm in my d zone but it's helping my t and i wasn't taking

the vitamin d as much back when i had my t tested. That was last year. So I'm taking the D to help the tea. I take D and a B complex. So, okay, I take the D in my T zone and it helps my tea. You have to fill in. You just pointed to your mouth. The listener can't see your mouth. Yeah, you keep doing visuals. Well, I said my T zone.

I said my T zone like Jason said. Yeah. But you have to, the listener can't understand the point. When you're just pointing at yourself, you're in your P-zone. But they could hear the brushing of the, I assume, the wind off of my- But that might be your finger on your way down to below the belt. Yeah, I guess you're right. You're right.

Below the B-zone. Well, I meant in my mouth. I take the D in my mouth and it helps my T. You take a big D and, yeah, well, you're going to end up with more T if you take a big D in your mouth. Well, that's true. That's a very good point. Jason, if you you had to guess where do you think you're falling you know i don't really know my immune system is just constantly pulverized these days yeah you're taking it's not fair your reading won't be fair i've done some looking and actually i did see a video from another MS patient who takes the same, he takes the Ogre Vest in

conjunction with a testosterone supplement. And he says he thinks that is helping. Now, but I did some research. There hasn't been many definitive studies. There's only been like one or two studies back in 2007. Let's run a study. I will be in charge of it. We'll do it just you and I, and we'll do a study on it.

Just Mike injecting me with- Mike injecting you with his big T. Gives me eugenics infusions every day. Does not tell me about like, oh, by the way, unless you cancel this, it auto-renews. It's $80 a month. Don't believe the television commercials. Well, look, we'll figure it out and then we'll- I'll mention to my doctor when I need to go in for a physical at some point soon.

You say, okay, so I've been wondering if maybe an injection of extra tea would help. So should my friend Mike come over and put his D in my mouth? Just say it like that, too. And if he needs to talk to me, give him my number. Because he can call me and run it by me, too. Hey, Doc. Oh, yeah. I'm up for it.

I'll do it right now. Should I go over there right now? Write me a prescription and go over there. This is the Sleeping Beauty Castle episode. Yeah. Yeah. Probably the tamest possible topic. And here we've defiled it instantly.

It started with just the tea, whatever the tea zone he said he was talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll find old cigarette ads. I'll send you the tea zone. Chesterfield. There was no way the phrase tea zone was going to be said and have it not send us into a direction like that. But let me corral things a little bit. Not quite to get to the topic yet, but to talk about some other show plans, some podcast business that I've been wanting to talk about.

Because we're all here together after some host departures and returns. We seem to be here, at least for the time being. We'll see what happens but like while we're here i think i think this is a good chance to to go over some stuff that we might want to do this year and some shots to call and maybe this will this will hold us to doing some things if we start kind of dangling some plans that we think could be some fun plans as i think these are um so here's one i'll address this now uh there was a shot that i called before leaving to make the movie and that shot was celebruary 2 uh now celebruary has passed and there was no celebruary

yeah um could april become celebru april i guess possibly but without going into it for various mundane reasons it seems like waiting on celebratory 2 is going to be the thing to do i think we will have a stronger uh better uh you know more coursing with tea version of celebratory if we so i think we are going to uh put that in the t-zone by which i mean table it uh until 2026. I think that is the plan. I think so. That sounds right. Yeah, flag on the field.

Life finds a way at some point, but for now we're pulling a Chinese democracy on that one. I guess so. We're going to get sooner than that, I think. Yeah, less weight than that. But what happened was, and it is very much still in the cards. We are thinking about that. We are going to do it.

But even thinking about Celebruary got us a little bit hungry. It got us hungry for a few things. It got us hungry for a theme month, which is something we haven't really done in a while. It got us hungry for theming and IP as it relates to the world of restaurants specifically and there's you know for for whatever reason this theme park podcast when we start to veer restaurant suddenly is where things are really cooking yeah and uh and and with that in mind there is a a giant area that we have not covered where theming and restaurant meet and merge and make beautiful love and i think that's why i want to announce this for this year to try to lock it in and commit without saying when it will be exactly i would like to announce for hopefully the near future, Podcast The Ride, 2025, McMonth.

McMonth, a month-long celebration of all things McDonald's except the food. We kind of floated this as a test balloon online. I thought it was responded to very well. It seems like kind of a cousin of Celebruary and one that I'm very excited about. It's one of those where, if it seems a little ridiculous on its face, you start adding it up, and then you start to go, can it even all fit within a month?

There is so much there, because this becomes our opportunity. And please tell me what you guys flash to, but I'd say the big things, you know, McDonaldland, I mean, the Playlands are its own thing right and these these slides and these things that you that you uh want to read the mouths that you go in the heads that you get to sit in the mcdonald land characters are on the table grimace is on the table uncle

oh grimacy is on the table of course mac motherfucking tonight is on the table. Of course. Mac motherfucking tonight is on the table. There is a lot here, I think. I think we will find that McMonth is teeming, bursting at the seams. But as I say this, do you guys flash to anything? And I throw it to the listeners, too. Like, what do you think deserves its own carved-out territory in McMonth? Well, I mean, Fry Guys.

Yeah. Birdie bringing you breakfast. The symbol of breakfast. She is the symbol of breakfast? I believe she was introduced when McDonald's started pushing breakfast. She's like an early bird. Oh, right.

That's right. You're right. And Officer Big Mac, Mayer McCheese. Now, I don't know if every one of these gets their own star episode. No, no, I'm just talking about. We will meet and discuss all of these people

and get to know them very well. Well, and when you didn't mention the founder. Oh, yeah. The film. Ray Kroc. Oh, I'd love to do the founder. Ray Kroc, the McDonald's brothers. Yeah. Oh, my God. This is,. Oh, I'd love to do this. Ray Kroc, the McDonald's brothers. Yeah.

Oh, my God. This is, no, I'm very fond of this film. That is one of those just like perfectly, not average. It's better than average. But you'd never call that an A-plus movie. Yeah. It's just like, it's in that late shift zone. It's just like the B-plusiest of B-plus movies. You let a wolf into the hen house.

Dick. Ray Kroc took everything. He took our names. I'm going to take it. I saw your name. I'm going to take it. I took it. I'm going to take it.

I'm a big fan. That's pretty good, yeah. I've done a lot of little founders plays in my head. The milkshake. The powdered milkshake at the steakhouse. Oh, yes, that Linda Cardellini makes so suggestively. It's really good. I like it.

Pretty good. Got it in the lips there. Stay in the lips. I like it. Well, we have to do that, I guess. I guess so. No, thank you for, this is good. I'm glad I asked.

We could find this all together. A more recent one that I, you know, we were busy being teenagers or adolescents, so I wasn't tracking the McDonald's lore as closely. But a few years ago, learning about, and I haven't watched them all, but the Klasky, Suspo, McDonaldland. Yeah, Supo. Chupo.

Chupo. Yeah. Those kind of, and it's like really jagged claspy claskey chupo late ideas yeah oh very much in that grotesque god real monsters vein well and that's also you know that made it a little bit far you know some of these like uncle of grimacy was in a club three poll that the claskey cartoons are in club three i think club three is part of this i think like if there's suggestions for what does Club 3 want in McDonald's world specifically, we can figure that out.

Yeah, I have a thing that pops into my head that you're not going to like. Uh-oh, am I going to have to cancel the whole month now? McDonald's points. Come on. It's its own whole episode. If the listener wants it. That's what popped into my head.

If they want it, we'll see. You think McDonald's points are so specific in such a big area that it could not possibly be contained. I didn't say it couldn't. I didn't say it couldn't. I just said it could possibly. Grimace is kind of like a de facto Mets mascot. He is?

Is he? He kind of like the Mets fan base I feel like kind of adopted him when he might have thrown out a pitch or something in the 2024 season. Is Mr. Mets still there? Mr. Mets and Mrs. Mets are still there. But they've adopted Grimace.

But Grimace is also kind of He's their third? Skull King right now. All right, he threw out the first pitch somewhere in the run of a seven game winning streak. So he's beloved. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's beloved. Also merchandise, McDonald's merchandise, including the Happy Meal toys.

Happy Meal toys as a whole. I mean, that's three hours. Yes. That's crazy. Like we can go- Narrowing it down. That's a pretty tough thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, there's so much to end in and not even getting into, like, world's largest McDonald's, the nonstandard McDonald's, the weird McDonald's, the Roswell UFO McDonald's. Right. There's so much here. I think narrowing it down will be the hardest task of all.

This might be McMonth 1. Very possibly. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, let's do what we can. McDonald's video games. McDonald's video games. McDonald's video games. Jesus. Yeah.

All right. So we better do McMonth 1 so that we can clear the path for McMonth 2. But give us your suggestions. I'm curious. Anything anybody wants out of this. Clip 3 will get a vote. I think it'll be good. I think that's going to be a good old time.

Now, to weave us into today's topic today's topic is also part of a broader plan that we have cooking for 2025 because 2025 is the 70th anniversary of disneyland park and that seems like as good a time as any to cover things that have been there from the beginning. Disneyland primaries, classics, basics, perennials. We have a lot on the list of things that have been there since day one. And it seems like it would be a good idea to tie them all together and to cover it in this 70th anniversary year. The Platinum Celebration, as everyone is saying, as a real thing. Double diamond.

I'm so mad they didn't use that like podcast the rides platinum celebration is one way of branding it i think i had another way of branding it which is calling this the class of 55 um i have one more way of branding it which is getting a little fancier and not just saying class of 55, but saying class of 55! My man. Great, so that jazzes it up, doesn't it? Yeah, that's great. Yeah, how about that? I'll leave that on the desktop. That'll be ready to go any time.

They need to do that for the commercials, the official commercial. Yeah, they've got to license that. Yeah. Yeah, most numbers and years aren't shouted by one of the great restaurateurs in that. It's the Red Rocker himself, Sammy Hagar. Yeah, yeah. There should be a Cabo Wabo at downtown Disney. But for some reason.

Well, there should have been, and it should have gone out of business to clear a path for all the new stuff they're doing. Yeah, I just saw Tortilla Joe's officially being gutted right now. It's like a steak and bourbon place coming. Steak and bourbon. I'm kind of interested by it. I don't know what the restaurant is called, but I was real, because I was so annoyed at the steak and bourbon.

Why were you annoyed? Why? It's just a little exalt. It's like, oh, we're still doing this weird. What do you mean? I'm not sure what he means either. Yes, people are still eating steak and bourbon. The faux masculinity

branding. It's on the giant walls. It's called Arthur and Sons Steak and Bourbon. That's too much faux masculinity for you. It's just nothing. First you already got Arthur. There's one man.

Patriarchy much. And then Sons? Arthur. There's one man. Ugh. Patriarchy much? And then sons? We've just added at least two more. It just seems like nothing. It just... It doesn't even say steak and bourbon on it. It says Arthur and sons, and it's like a mid-century modern thing that fits into the rest of downtown Disney.

I don't know. I don't agree with you one bit here, Jason. I'm confused by you. It just seems a little gibberish. It's a little... Gibberish? But it tells you little gibberish. It's a little sip and saunter for me. No, sip and saunter doesn't tell you anything because what do you sip on and what even is saunter?

It's acknowledging the inner lives of the people around you. Well, now we know that. We know what saunter means. I know what steak is and I know what bourbon is and I know what sons are and I know that Arthur is a popular name in this world. I don't know. What is one thing that's obtuse about that? I don't think I just

did you think it was like Andrew Tate's steak and bourbon restaurant or something? Oh yeah. Tony Hinchcliffe presents Arthur and Sons. That also seems like a nasty combo to me. Steak and bourbon? What are you talking about? That's a great combo. Yes. I don't know about that. It's a wonderful combo. It is delicious.

I don't know. What's happening? Honestly, I don't know. I don't even... I feel like if we dig in, it's going to destroy the rest of the episode, quite frankly. I want to talk about the castle. I'm confused, though. Scotch and steak, I can see.

Smoke here. What? It kind of makes more sense. But it's Hersher, though. Why wouldn't bourbon's mellower? That would go even... I don't think bourbon is mellower at all. What? I completely't bourbon's mellower? That would go even better. I don't think bourbon is mellower at all. What?

I completely think bourbon is mellower. I think it's a little mellower. Yeah. I don't know. It sounds delicious to me. I know. I'd love to go have some steak. This is the most contentious the show has ever been, or at least in the last few years.

This is like Country Bears level, I think we're at right here, when we had the disagreement. So if we said we're going for work, for the podcast, we're taking you to Arthur and Sons. Oh, I'll go for work. Wow. What if we made you have steak and bourbon together? What's it? Maybe steak and water.

Maybe a little sloppy steak. If you don't want to drink, that's fine. To me, that is the most natural combo in the world. I'm not sure. Look, I don't know. I don't know what's happening. I don't know. I don't know that's fine. That is the most natural combo in the world. I'm not sure. Look, I don't know. I don't know what's happening. I drank too much in my early 20s. I don't understand.

I'm just showing you a picture of a chef on the outside. A guy pouring some stuff. I hate to keep digging in, but you called because this doesn't seem so aggressively masculine to me. It's hand-waving. He's not smoking a big stogie and he's shirtless making a steak and bourbon or anything. No, that picture looks like Stockovich. Yeah.

They both look like Stockovich. It just seems, I don't know, it just seems a little hollow to me. Hollow? As opposed to Tortilla Joe's, a restaurant that I only went to once and it made me sick. Tortilla Joe's, at least, I mean, he's a guy, I guess. You can think of him as like a little guy. I'm not saying I'm mad at Tortilla Joe's. Joe, good. Arthur,

toxic. Yeah. We haven't seen what Arthur and his son look like, though. We don't know. We don't know. We're looking at the sons. I'll look at the sons. They're bare naked at all times, waving their big, big flappy hogs around These guys are disgusting They're what's wrong with society

They're like UFC fighters Or something And they're jacked This is fascinating I didn't think about this I didn't even know the name of the restaurant I didn't know the name of the restaurant Immediately it's now one of the name of the restaurant. I'm excited to hear the name of the restaurant. I didn't know the name of the restaurant.

Immediately, it's now one of the great Podcast the Ride debates. Boy, this is going to be open, what, in the next year, I hope. Or maybe, yeah, and we're all going to have to do it. We're going to go down there. Unless Jason burns the construction site down. I hope he doesn't, because I'm interested in trying it. But maybe, you know, if it happens, it happens. Okay. So, with that, I mean, all right, never mind.

Class of 55, cancel. It's going to be shit like this from now on. No, no, no. But I think like as a, you know, maybe not as a series that runs together, but something like Tomorrowland, which ended up taking us a little bit. But I kind of, when in doubt, when we got no other ideas, like what's something that we can default to, it seems like covering some Class of 55 stuff could be good. The rides that are still around. Maybe some original weird old school stuff that has disappeared or things that never got built.

I flashed to some other things. One thing that I flashed to is the bench. I think that's an episode for sure. We discussed this a little bit. By which I mean Walt's Bench. The place where he sat and stewed while his daughters went on a merry-go-round without him. And one question I've always had is, why weren't you on the merry-go-round?

I've been to that specific merry-go-round, and it's quite easy to be on it with your children. So I don't understand why he felt like, and then he just ended up building a carousel that also a dad could not be on. I've always been confused by the story, but that's one of the things that we can uh delve into right griffith park carousel origins of disneyland there's even there's potentially an episode out there called disneyland where we just like talk about the origins yeah whatever i i mean i i kind of like the the deep end of the podcast after you know with all these micro topics that at some point we would just do disneyland yeah yeah figure out what that means the orange groves the orange groves oh the orange yeah yeah absolutely uh oh and who owned these lands before and how they pieced it

all together there's a lot of i think like primaries in just disneyland here at 70 and it seems like a good thing for us to do uh you know i think i think we carry a little bit of a mantle like like we're like we need to celebrate disneyland 70th because my suspicion is disneyland is not really going to celebrate disneyland 70th well there'll be some banners and there will be like banners on carthay and maybe they'll repaint the theater it's under uh scrims and scaffolding right now. Yeah. So there's going to be some paint and there's going to be some signs.

Maybe some projection mapping. Maybe a little projection mapping. There's some drips and drabs. Obviously, we're getting the Walt robot, but I don't know there. Walt robot's a big one. That's a summer blockbuster for us. Yeah. We're going to have to get there as soon as we can.

But we're going to have to get there in August because we're not going to be able to go with our passes, our shit passes. Yeah. So we'll have to wait until August. It just occurred to me that I, for making near future plans that like, oh, I don't get Fridays. Oh, yeah. I know. I don't want a Friday. We're both on the same, yeah, the worst one and you don't get Fridays.

So we'll see. Yeah. We'll get to it, but it's going to have to be August by the time we see it. But it got delayed till July. Okay. Maybe it got delayed till july okay maybe it's delayed long but are they trying to are they trying to have walt robot up and running for the for the actual actual day probably yeah um gotcha well get in line fantastic foreign jurassic world rebirth the blockbuster this summer is the walt robot people flocking saying no we're not going to the movies we're going to Anaheim. I don't have time to see a movie.

Fantastic Four coming to Tomorrowland in Disneyland. Well, you say this like as if it's for sure. No, it is. They announced a meeting group. A meeting group.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I thought you were referring to things that we've texted about because you have the theory that Fantastic Four

is the best hope that we have for Tomorrowland to get a little bit of juice in it because it's kind of this throwback-y mod thing. And we always feel like Tomorrowland just needs to go back to 60s vibe. And Feige on stage said, modeled after Epcot and Tomorrowland, the aesthetic of the movie. All right. So if it works. So maybe they'll be meeting a little lead boy.

Scott's not the only one who's been off on secret projects. It's clobbering time, lead boy. I'm doing the shush thing with Mike. I'm doing what Mike did earlier. I'm doing physical movements. Are you fighting, as lead boy, are you fighting the Fantastic Four or are you their friend? I'm just one of Mole Man's disgusting creatures that skitter around behind him. You're a lackey for Mole Man.

Yeah, I'm a lackey for Mole Man. He's already kind of a lackey-ish villain, let's be honest. Yeah, he's a lackey without a horde. He's got a lot of mole people, but still, yeah. Yeah. Well, all right. We're excited about that. I think if Fantastic Four doesn't work, it's so much trouble for Tomorrowland ever getting a redo.

But also, is Marvel just, are we done with the MCU of Fantastic Four bombs? I think we got- It seems like the last hope. I think we got two big ones coming, and if those don't do well, then we'll see. Yeah, yeah. They're putting a lot of money into those. I liked hearing that Robert Downey Jr. is apparently writing a lot of backstory for Doctor Doom. If only there was already 60 years of backstory available for Doctor Doom. Yeah, written by a bunch of losers, by people who don't have the brains.

They don't have the brains of RDJ. I wouldn't worry too hard about him working on the backstory. I wouldn't worry about him. He's going to work too hard. He's going to think of too much. I wouldn't worry about him. He's going to work too hard. He's going to think of too much. I wouldn't worry. And he's going there. He's taking pictures

of Stark flight tests or whatever. I know. I saw the photos. Yeah, yeah. And he has glasses on. So you know he's thinking really hard about

how to make the ride better. Yeah, yeah. He said he's going to stay on after he's done with Marvel. He's going to stay on helping Imagineering. That's what he said. Really? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Got my work cut out for me. Everybody's slacking around here. What's he going to do? He looks good question. I don't know. Wow, it's incredible. Robert Downey Jr. personally figured out how to make the Matterhorn

smooth again. Yeah. He saw what none of us could um all right well we look forward to his maybe he'll come be on the show maybe we can interview him purely would love to as an imagineer and then it'll be the billy bob effect of like now people know you for your other career as an actor and then he uh wants out of the room yeah sure it could. But it's worth a shot. Our DJ's at Imagineering, Ariana Grande, says she has ideas for wicked projects in the parks. These actors,

armchair Imagineers now, you know? Yeah. Everybody thinks they can do it. But only we can. Only the three of us can. Our genius ride ideas we throw out sometimes. That's right.

We're the pros. So, anyways, that brings us to this point, and this, I guess, would be considered the first of the class of 55. Oh, no, I don't have it teed up. 55! Oh, yeah. And that is a real fundamental, the most fundamental Sleeping Beauty castle. Yeah.

I think it makes sense as a place to start it is the centerpiece of everything it was the symbol of the park before there even was a park they whetted america's appetites in 1954 with concept art of this castle so by the time anybody got to the park in 55 they they knew it from their TVs already. They knew it. They loved it. Sleeping Beauty Castle's pretty damn important. And yet it took us eight years.

What happened? I don't know. Too many restaurants. Life got in the way. Life finds a way eventually. Life finds a way to get in the way. Yeah. That's like a mug or a towel or a pillow you gotta get that oh that should be

on what's the store at downtown disney well it's gone i think yeah i know but what was it i don't know sleeping saunders all 28 like a mad the one that just had a wooden plank that said imagine all the people and then it's worth it's a hundred dollars uh yeah uh i don't know we'll see i we all i think we like everyone likes the castle i think the only people the only time i ever hear anything negative is when people are comparing it to bigger castles that's the only time i ever hear anybody trash it sure well that mike i wanted to ask you that because you grew up in the midwest i grew up on the east coast and we i was we went to disney world World fairly regularly.

So any times we would see clips of Disneyland, we'd be like, that castle's so small. I wonder if Florida is massive. I understand there's an adjustment. Yes. Because it does feel kind of like a toy castle. The first couple times you go and you're used to the Cinderella Castle from Orlando. So I understand it, but if you go to Disneyland enough, I think you really

grow to love it and appreciate it. This is interesting, yeah. Is this a perspective thing? Do I prefer the humble charms of Sleeping Beauty Castle being that that was my home park? Yeah, do you have a...

Gosh, I don't know. Well, it's a good good fundamental debate to get into at the top here it seems like one of those like like like gonna mitch said like we he probably did this in our third episode or from wherever we had mitch on like he was probably like bigger cinderella is bigger it's better uh i would imagine i think that the coziness of Disneyland itself and by the statue and everything, all of that together makes me actually now like Sleeping Beauty's castle better. Better even. I would say if it was just the castles completely separate from the actual theme parks themselves, I can see Cinderella, you liking it better but it's a bit hard to argue i mean one is more of like a architectural marvel yeah but i do like being in disneyland in that area on main

street better than i like being in the magic kingdom even though i still like being there in magic kingdom you are you like more at ease i think it just feels comforting it feels comforting to me more more so again i don't dislike being on main street in florida but but often there's some big stage there's a big like it does feel like there's always a lot of nonsense yeah in florida i was thinking how i have very few memories of just walking in the castle yeah gate at like like walking over the bridge yeah bridge in Florida, because usually there's something going on. Something going on.

There's so much more space there. So when, again, you're in the coziness of Disneyland and you see the castle there, now I do prefer that experience as a whole. Yeah. But I don't know if I have necessarily a preference separating the castles from their location. A lot of websites mentioned, of course, this is the only castle Walt ever worked on when he was alive, like had a hand in the direct development. Sure, yes.

And it was specifically from him originally like the the origins of there being a castle go back to the sketch that herb ryman did i think in 53 which was which like it's one of those if you look up herb ryman disneyland map or disneyland plans it's one of those images you know for sure like oh yes they've put this up in like disney gallery or you know uh like the lincoln lobby or whatever it's one of those like it's not the disneyland we know but it sure has a lot of a lot in common with it and a lot of the like original base ideas um so that i think he left herb ryman to do this sketch and he said biggest thing it's all got to build to a huge castle that's going to be the symbol of the whole park we need a castle in there and what he drew it was all the way in the back

it was like like the entire park built to it as opposed to it being the centerpiece and it was also uh a lot bigger it was like um yeah just like like a more like imposing uh european rising up over everything kind of castle right and i think it was his decision later to like okay maybe i'd like it a little more like gentle more humble and then i also heard that they were like there was a there was an idea to flip it as well right which which is, well, which is what he did. And if you look at his map, or like here, I'll flip this around. So it would have been in the middle, but flipped. Here's an old sketch that I'll show you.

Right. Where the, oh, it went away, but you saw what I was. I saw what you were getting at. Yeah, like here is like the front entrance of the castle, but the back, like the window pattern definitely feels like what we know is the back right today and the story of that is that once this was turned from a sketch which i just showed you into a 3d model um walt was away on a trip or something and was coming back the

first order of business when he gets back is to look at this model uh there was an engineer fred yorger uh who made a model based on the sketches and once it was physicalized he brought in ryman and asked what he thought and he said well i don't like it and it was built to split in half like exactly at that point and he said i don't know if you flip it around and he flips around and everybody went whoa whoa whoa that's not what like walt's coming in in 10 minutes you can't just do that and he's like why not i don't know i like it better it seems like yeah i don't know like back seems like the front and vice versa and walt came in and the first thing he said was love that that way he loved it out of the gate so um yeah a little last minute twist around was a smart thing to do this is one where i think i i feel like i saw multiple you know urban like apocryphal stories

of like well they were just cleaning up and they accidentally assembled it backwards and that's what well they're like well it's like oh i like that oh so i i feel like there's different stories and justifications out there about it sure. As kind of fits in with the Walt Disney as kind of a tall tale, American tall tale figure. Walt sneezed and the sneeze blew the castle around on the model and he said, ah, wait a minute, that looks better. Woo, woo, woo.

Right. A little sound spun around. Right. Yeah, yeah. Now, I'm glad this happened because I'm gonna, here's a take. I don't know if this is gonna be a controversial take. Oh, interesting. I don I'm glad this happened because I'm going to, here's a take. I don't know if this is going to be a controversial take. Oh, interesting.

I don't really like the back. There's something that I've never liked about the back. The view that you have essentially from the carousel and from the Fantasyland rides. And I've never been able to put my finger on why I don't like it. But when I heard that the back was going to be the front, I was like, that's a disaster. I think that's a really great last minute decision. There's something really warm and welcoming about what ended up being the front. But I was like, oh, this is an audio medium.

I need to be able to put into words why I don't like that back. And I couldn't figure it out. Do you have any idea why? And I thought this when I was a kid. I like the back. I like seeing the little. Let's see if I can figure it out. Do you think it's a mental thing of like,

I am being presented with this as the back of the castle. Like if you had first encountered the castle with the back, it's the front. You see what I mean? Like, are you like, oh, it's the back. It doesn't matter. You know? No, I don't know back it's the front you see what i mean did like are you like oh it's the back it doesn't matter you know no i don't i don't know if it's that or maybe the baby i mean maybe the back just can't compare to the front uh i'm not sure i like there's a lack of like you could maybe consider part like it doesn't look as finished even though it it is. Yes. I think I've always felt that.

Because the blue on top, whatever you would call those, like, things that cover the towers, I don't know. It feels a little, like, less finished just because there's not as much blue sticking out as there is on the front. You know what? Maybe also the back. There's something about it where I feel the 50s nature of it. It feels more dated to me. I could see that. I see what you're saying there with the pinks.

Like it's a more 50s style of molding or something. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I don't look. I'm not going to turn my back to the back. You're allowed to. I'm not going to spit on it. I don't feel that strongly. You could, but it would be maybe not a good idea.

I don't think I would make it that far. I'm not that good at the spitter. I don't feel that but it would be maybe not a good idea i don't think i would make it that far i'm not that good at the spitter i don't know if you spit on the castle how fast is anybody saying is anybody saying anything you do one spit one spit and two employees see you and one's maybe working like toad and one's working that's what i don't know i don't know the answer is nobody sees it or if they have a dedicated 14-person behind-the-scenes staff trying to prevent exactly what you're describing. Spit squad. I think if you like kind of are real slick about it

and you're dribbling on the castle, no one would notice. But if you walk up and do a hawk. Wait a minute, wait a minute. So if you lean over, if you lean over and just start drooling all over the castle. Oh, I guess drooling is different than spitting if but if you walked up and did a hawk to uh i think people would be upset you might get

stopped if you hawk to it on the sleeping beauty castle i think no one would say anything unless there was like a higher up manager that happened to see you that's my prediction by the way no one try this i don't want you to do it don't do this and i'm not winking when i say that i truly don't want you to do it but hypothetically i bet most average employees would just be like god i hope they don't do that again because then i have to say something yeah i hope they don't stay here for the next few hours summoning all the saliva they can find yeah spit on that castle spit on that thing and spit on that thing uh uh so yeah i i bet i bet you'd get away with one that's what i'm that's my guess but we'll never know because you should not do it i don't know i think we're gonna start getting videos i

don't want i heard you might edit this out i wink wink you don't want me to do it this one this one's for you mike carlson no stop Then they get in. They're detained. But it was like, wait, but who gave you the idea? Because really, that's where the crime rests. All right, Magic Key canceled. He already couldn't go on Fridays or during July. It's basically no change. It was Scott who did the idea, though.

No. Oh, well, I was the first who said spit. He started it. I don't know. And Jason's the one who added the Hawk 2-0, which really gave it the oomph. Mm-hmm. You know. And the friends.

And Spittle. I don't know in the spring of 2025 that Hawk 2-0 has quite any oomph left. She'll be back. She'll be back. When we see the fruits of the many, many television development deals that she got, she'll be back bigger than ever. How does Secretary of State Hawk hawk tua sound to you because i think within the next year or two little marco is gonna drop the ball that's what i'm saying and i think you know she's up maybe she's up for it uh uh she'll be back um well i don't

know again i don't want to i don't want to spit on the back it's an odd i i just i'm curious if that ever struck anybody not it's not a hate. It's just like, that's the back? Yeah, I think probably what you're responding to, I think, is what you were saying. It feels a little bit older for whatever reason. And I think if there was almost, there's more blue in the front section here, I think you would like it better. Maybe so. Now, you have some inherent, like, pink and peach. You know, there's different color schemes it's always stayed basically what it is but like subtle adjusts and subtle again this is the sort

of thing we can look forward to in anniversary years is it's a more royal blue on the turrets and they and they see if they is that enough is that enough of a thing we did for the 70th but i should honor early Tomorrowland and put decorations made of aluminum like that creaking rocket that used to be in Tomorrowland. Oh, that's right. That would be nice. Which was going to be on the castle more

and then because it expanded too much. I don't know that it was. I just remember the rocket was sponsored by an aluminum company. Yeah, yeah. I just remember the rocket. That rocket creaked weirdly. It was sponsored by an aluminum company. Yeah, yeah. The tips of the castle are made of gold, and there is another one of these apocryphal stories,

as you described, Jason, where, okay, Walt wanted the spires to be covered in 22-carat gold leaf. He knew his brother, Roy, would never approve the extra expense, so rumor has it he sent roy on a business trip and authorized the detail while he was gone i know that's that's really good shenanigans waltz up to shenanigans which is really funny that like he's business partner his brother you just like have to trick him like that's really good like camp it can't have been a great relationship on some level. Yeah, it involves trickery and being put on a plane under false pretenses.

Right. Yeah. I don't understand. I have to go out of town for 12 days to meet Disneyland's official vendor of beef wellington? That doesn't even seem practical. Day to day, we're going to have beef wellington for 40 cents? seem practical to day to day we're gonna have beef wellington for 40 cents that seems like we're getting ripped out no no you go alt insisted you wanted me gone some of the story is when you add them up about walt and roy and even more so

about walt's father you're like oh maybe some of this maybe some of this was a nightmare just like that maybe there's a lot of family very complicated family dynamics going on i think that's very true yeah and that he's expressing a lot of like strange like stunted growth things via the i mean i think look there's as we've covered in a lot with all the guys we've run into i think if you're you know if you're carving up the planet and putting weird stuff on it. Yeah. Like it comes from some strange psychology.

It has to. It's the only way it can. Yeah. It's a lunatic. But a nice lunatic. He presented well on television and was friendly. Folks are.

Yeah. Yeah, folks. Right. Yeah. So we'll talk about his bench later. We'll talk about that aspect of it. Yeah. Yeah. And why, talk about his bench later. We'll talk about that aspect of it. Yeah. Yeah.

And why, like, just be on it. What do you mean? Like, go be at, like, there's, adults can be on carousels. Maybe there was a, but what if we find that there was a weight limit at the time? I don't believe there was any rules for rides back then, though. Oh, that's a good, yeah, what am I saying? Yeah. In 1951?

Yeah. It's all aluminum and lead paint that's where you see all those like that i something i think we need to get into at some point is like the kinds of rides that you see only in old jittery films from 1892 yeah like i always love those things where it's people in like four layers of thick burlap, like women in like, you know, like skirts that add up to like five inches of thickness between all the layers. And that they're just like sliding down a conveyor belt

and then like being like shaken around like it's a raisin factory or something. Like those kinds of things are so crazy to me. It's like you get in a wash tub and you get pushed off a hill. And that was at a theme park. and that was a ride oh man early coney island was so crazy even crazier in that some stuff is not documentary because often stuff would just burst into flames oh yeah mm-hmm uh yeah sometimes on purpose that was the idea That was it, yeah The exploder

It's not going to actually explode, is it? No, that's exactly what it's going to do Alright, fine, I'll do it Dynamite crate It's an illusion It's an illusion of a dynamite crate, you say Sure Well, it's less of a crate and more of an enclosed box so yes it is an illusion

um uh lots of old-timiness to get into uh there another bit of old-timiness is that you know there's a few people i mentioned that imagineer and i mentioned her her rhyming but there was another guy who i think like was like the actual architect or maybe not wait a minute i okay forgive me i don't know exactly this guy's role. I ran into a name. Roland E. Mill. Roland E. Mill became Disney's castle guy at a point, and here's the history here. Roland was a pilot in World War I. He crashed his plane and spent the remainder of the war driving officers around France and doing American government reparations. While on the road, he sketched many of the castles that he saw in both France and Germany,

including Neuschwanstein Castle in Bavaria, which became the basis of this castle. In October 1919, he met Walt Disney, also a driver in France, showed him his castle drawings

and they became great friends. So when Walt starts his movie studio, he remembered his old ambulance-driving castle-drawing friend. I mean, that's an odd... Well, and this ties to Ray Kroc, too, because they also met while driving a car.

Because we've all been in a cab or a Lyft, and there's a chatty driver who maybe has some conspiracy theories or they want to show you something. Yes, and we always end up being great dear old friends right and those drivers it's possible i mean i've had plenty of nice people who like are very chatty and then some people who are lunatics tap both ways so some but if they hand you maybe you know you're in good shape you know those are going to be normal if they're normal yeah if they're normal drawings here i sketched you while i was driving or something like that that's probably a problem. That's not good.

How did you? Maybe I should have been washing your hands. Yeah. But Walt was a folksy guy, I guess. I guess he was open to it. Just like meeting people. Open to things. What, and he's 18 at that point?

Yeah, I guess that's right. That's just weird how at 18 years old he's in the war, driving around, and he meets the guy who ends up making the castle for his theme park. Words that would have been nonsense back then. Hemingway was a driver in World War I as well. He drove an ambulance. Really? Farewell to Arms, the book is based on that. Did he meet any friends that he worked with later?

I don't know. We got to look into drivers because it seems like World War I drivers may have shaped much of the 20th century. Notable drivers, perhaps. Maybe that's an episode. Notable drivers. Hey, fun fact about Neuschwanstein Castle. It served as a depot for Nazi plunder

that was taken from France during the Second World War. Wow, Nazi plunder depot. from France during the Second World War. Wow, Nazi plunder depot. Nazi plunder. Your one stop shop. Storage. Does that mean, so like, they took it, but then they got it back, and then that's a place where like a Crazy Larry type guy was trying to move it all at low, low prices.

I think from just reading on Wikipedia, that castle is not strategic. It's not in a strategic location. Okay. So I think stuff stolen from France was put there because it was secure. It was a pain to get to like a Costco. It was a pain to get to like a Costco.

Oh, yeah. Well, those parking lots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you need gas, God forbid. How much stolen French art is in Sleeping Beauty's castle or was when Walt was around? Oh, yeah. How much Nazi gold did Walt personally have? Some of the project, the Operation Paperclip guys

working on Tomorrowland would just drop stuff to store in Sleeping Beauty Castle. I'm jumping around, but did you see what, like, before they opened the walkthrough, because the walkthrough didn't open right away. No, Castle's 55, walkthrough's 57. Sleeping Beauty does not come out until 59. Yeah, that's strange. Something I never even thought about. Yeah, it was a pre-promotion.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, getting the word out about sleeping beauty well before it came out i think it was delayed i don't think they meant it to be that but it ended up being that oh sleeping beauty was delayed i mean oh gotcha okay okay um but you're saying yes because the i swear to god also i mean this like this is probably a basic fact to people listening to this theme park podcast but i also think it's distinctly possible that there are people who don't know that there is this exhibit that you can walk around in the castle. Oh yeah. Because it is pretty easy to miss. That is like an awning that says Sleeping Beauty Castle. And you might

look at that and say, yeah, I know. But what you might not know is that you can walk around in there and see wonderful dioramas. Yeah. I like that it's not publicized that much because it does feel like, and I don publicized that much because it does feel like and i don't think i went on it for a little while because i don't think i knew it was there i do think i happened upon it one trip early on right oh so you were it's not like you came to disneyland with a big list of all the stuff that you knew there is right yeah it is a real bump into situations that's the best stuff is when you happen upon things yeah and in a lot of ways obviously not the big rides but i'm saying when you feel like you've discovered something that still feels exciting uh whether it's this or whether it's the first

time i discovered abracadabra on the boardwalk like whatever it is you go oh look at this i didn't know this was here they don't publicize this so you gotta have a little things like uh you know walk through yeah well and yeah you know what you're right there that is like it's part of the texture that um you know like maybe budgets don't always allow yes these little things that are because like uh now forgive me i don't remember what this is but but disney c has great stuff in that capacity yeah there's something that's like kind of the headquarters of sea or like one of the primary places. Are you talking about Magellan's, the restaurant?

Or are you talking about a different- No, there's more of a walkthrough kind of situation with interactive stuff for kids to play with. Yeah. What's the name of that place? It's over by the volcano. I think that's what you're talking about. What's the bar in the steamer?

Is it Roosevelt's? Yeah. Is it Roosevelt's in the steamer is it uh roosevelt's uh yeah is it roosevelt's in the ship yes but that's not see as much sea stuff in there i don't think literal sea but not see the society of explorers and adventurers i don't think no but it's all see i guess maybe maybe i'm wrong when you when you talked about just bumping into things i flashed to something forgive me i'm i'm uh i'm delving into my eye photo and this might not be interesting uh it's not even called eye photo anymore look at me oh geez 2006 so much uh looking at my photos when you talk about just bumping into weird little exhibits that you don't know exist i wanted to talk about this on the show forever ago i did we did a little like a

baby moon before our second baby showed up uh in in west lake village um and we we stayed at a kind of a moderate hotel in west lake village but we wandered around the nearby four seasons which has a really nice bar and uh after we got a drink not erin pregnant she did not uh but uh we were like let's just wander the grounds here because we always like doing that at hotels. And we saw that it was this great gallery of a very like, I don't even want to say Banksy, more of a Mr. Brainwash. Who did things like, here's, oh my God, I forgot. It's Mickey. It's like Mickey Mouse heads that are dripping with rainbow paint. And you look at the like, oh, very good.

And then like like how much would you pay for that oh maybe 150 dollars six thousand dollars for like here's here's a like a melting darth vader that you can buy you've called galactic blast that you can buy for a mere fifteen thousand dollars i was taking a lot of pictures in here because i was thinking about michael ferrari the wonderful artist we've gotten to know via city walk and the uh the venice boardwalk keeper but a lot of i just this gallery was so funny and douchey there was a lot of stuff by a guy named josh mayhem so i i'm like i was instantly like oh man michael ferrari would get along with me thieves with josh may or their enemies i I don't know. Of the Westlake Mayhem.

That's right. They own everything around there. Oh, the tire magnets. I looked at Josh Mayhem's website just now and it has like that, what is that from, is it Panasonic?

Oh, that's exactly the kind of thing. Yes. It's the, isn't that, or is that RCA records? Oh, RCA, yes. The thing where the guy

is in the chair and he's getting blown back by the sound of the speakers and his tie is flying back. Uh, uh, he's like reclining like, whoa, man. Rainbow paint version of it. It's that, which is paint splattered all over and it's dripping all the way on the back. I kind of like this, honestly. I mean, I, look, I will admit, I was taking pictures thinking there are some things in

here that I think Mike would like. Yeah, that's one of them. Including, I can't believe, this was back in August. I can't believe I haven't brought this up on the show. A lot was Josh Mayhem, and then there was another artist whose name is just RISC, all caps. And here is a photo. Check this out. As you look at the photo, RISC is to art what aerosmith is to rock and roll wow well this is

the most mike sentence that says all you need to say that is a quote from aerosmith it's attributed to all of them together despite the photo being of risk steven tyler joe perry and slash um slash yeah no gets along with slashash and Aerosmith. Where does Chris Angel fit into this picture? Oh, man. Just right off camera? They cropped him.

He just wasn't applicable. The quote's about music, so we just don't want Chris in there. Seems right. He was at this. No question he was at the event. I'm showing you this picture. He must have been.

Can I show something to get Jason's T levels revving up? Yeah, yeah. Rev that T. Jason, Josh Mayhem has a blown away Popeye. It's colorful rainbow Popeye. Whoa, a totally fucked up pop art. Andy Warhol style.

Andy Warhol and steroids. Popeye. Drippy paint Popeye. Drippy paint Popeye. I like that. Scott, you don't know this, but I did make a $1 reservation for a deck of Popeye tarot cards. Wait, hang on. A reservation?

Like, they hadn't launched the Kickstarter yet. Oh. But you got a big discount. You got like a $20 discount. I saw it on Instagram. I saw it. I sent it to him last night. He sent it to me.

I'm like, I truly don't know where any of my tarot cards. We have a few decks of tarot cards in the house, but I think they're still in drawers or boxes or something. He's going to be a full tarot card guy now that these Popeye cards are being made. When Jane and I first started dating, we used to do three- readings for each other pretty regularly. Could you do a three card reading for us?

I probably could. With the Popeye deck? Yeah. That's great content. I don't know what every card means, but it comes with a booklet. I've never cared about this. I've never cared about this kind of thing until Popeye entered the party.

No, I was, of course, as a man about to turn 40, I got really into it from Ricky Jay and his history of playing cards and trick dice and tarot cards. He was a tarot card guy? I like saying that, like, say it with me, folks. Say it with me. Ricky Jay. It was funny that you said it as if we knew what you were doing.

Ricky J. Don't make me finish it. Ricky J. Museum of Techno or Jurassic Technology in Los Angeles. Let me, can I borrow that tone to say a further fact about Risk? Like, 10 things to know about Risk. Okay, say it with me. Risk was knighted by the Medici family in Italy.

He's Sir Risk. Sir Risk. Why do they get to knight people? Who the hell is the Medici family? That's He's Sir Risk. Sir Risk. Why do they get to night people? Who the hell is the Medici family? That's a good point. It's not a family you want to cross. How can you be rock and roll and a knight? Josh Mayhem has a Scrooge, too.

There's a Scrooge here. Do we get prices on these? No, you have to call. I think it's probably like 10 grand. Look, I'm glad I saved it and just did it on the air instead of texting you. I'm glad you're discovering Josh Mayhem, your new favorite artist. I don't like every Josh Mayhem piece, but there are some I wouldn't mind having. But I'm not going to save up for some of them.

There's one that, if you look at this, it's another drippy one. This is kind of like Mickey Mouse, but it's also like one of those bear it's a bear brick yeah yeah that the dumbest thing you like yeah and uh this so if you want an expensive bear brick for 10 500 that one doesn't get me going that doesn't get my tea going as much i looked uh risk the artist uh has kind of an Alan Moore, Rick Rubin look. The long white hair. That is accurate, yes. And so I was like, ah, it immediately endeared me to him, that look.

So, yeah. This just shows you, like, be open to anything. Try anything. Bump into expensive art galleries whenever you can uh this doesn't really apply to sleeping beauty kit because you can't buy that stuff you know what though i was gonna say like i was i was ready to do like oh yeah they redid it in the 70s and now they've done it in kind of this classic way and i'll no fuck that i want josh mayhem and risk takeover of the sleeping beauty diioramas. Make it rock and roll, guys.

Wow. Well, what if Arthur and Sons now is owned by Josh Mayhem and Risk? And they'll infuse it with some extra aggro. Now I'm back on board. Okay, good. Because of that Popeye statue. Yeah, yeah. Be a Popeye statue when you walk in.

If you could get steak au poivre, but it's all different colors and it's drippy. Steak what? Steak au poivre. could get steak au poivre but it's all different colors and it's trippy steak what steak au poivre what is it steak au poivre steak with like black black peppercorn sauce i i tom uh plays the clip uh on the best show a lot of um uh orson wells i think it's it from f for fake and he goes i'll have this steak au poivre, please. To a waiter. And it just seems, it's a very funny clip. It's just big cape Orson Welles. Okay, sure.

Just ordering something. Would you wear a big cape when we go to Arthur and Sons? Oh, you know, it's getting to that age, you know. You're almost to cape age. Cape age. Say it with me. As a man who's almost 40, I'm now at cape age. Cape age. Yeah, look at these.

A big year for you two, you know. You're both at cape age. Oh. So 40's cape age. I don't think I realized. It is. Wow, wow. You haven't been taking enough advantage of that.

That's right. I haven't. I'm insecure about my cape wearing. The three of us entering the next live show we do with a big unfurl of a cape. Hello. Welcome to Podcast The Ride. Well, my unfurl says, and then I come out. You're hiding in the case.

Or a cape fave, I unveil mine, and he comes out because he's actually tiny. Cape fave. Or a Sleeping Beauty-esque illusion where- Oh, yeah. out because he's actually tiny or a sleeping beauty escalution where oh yeah uh because that's one of the things that happens in the dioramas where the there's the prince is played by an owl and a bunch of birds all carrying a cape so that'd be a nice thing if people think it's mike but wait that face looks like jason and then the whole thing's unfurled and you're being lifted up by several owls i've talked about you know i'm realizing there was like i feel uh you know a lot of guys our age i feel like oh roxanne from goof troop was so cute and then girls uh i i've known multiple women i feel like

like oh fox robin hood was like a big cartoon crush. Did anyone crush on fake prince that's birds in cape? I was really into the birds in cape. My biggest crush was 10 birds all under one cloak. Now, I can't call it a crush, but when I remembered that there was that scene, I was like, oh, that it a crush but when I remembered that there was that scene I was like oh that's cool I like this guy I like I like yeah I like Mr. Mr. Birds Mr. Multiple Birds

that's Prince Birds to you oh yes knighted just like risk um Prince made of birds Prince made of birds. Prince made of birds. Is there any, what's the term I'm thinking of? Slash something? The porno online fiction? No, you're talking about Slash. Okay, okay. Why can't I think of the name of Slash fiction? Also, these characters are a couple. What's the dirty version, though, of fan fiction?

Rule 34 is the... But there's Slash something. Am I wrong? Well, Slash is like we're hooking characters up but i think it can be all right that's what i'm talking about i'm not sure there's got to be something about birds in cape has anyone ever been well i can explore that a little bit yeah let us know if you had a crush on birds on birds on prince birds in cape to give full credit here now that I'm looking at it, because prints made of birds did result in the Google image that I needed. And it was, an owl is the base, two smaller birds are the hands.

There's a squirrel on top of the owl, and then the boots are bunnies. So it's not, though prints made of birds worked for me, technically that is erasure of the bunnies. Right. Okay, good to know. And now to look for the porn of this. That'll take me away from talking for too long. Let's talk about these dioramas a little bit longer, because there were two versions of it. It opened in 57 because Walt started complaining about, just put something up there.

There's nothing. What do you mean empty space? Put something in the castle. All right, I guess we'll figure something out. And they started doing it and went, that's tight. This is a very tight space. I don't know what we're going to put in there. And they realized that, well, if we do this art style,

they worked with the production designer of the film and they did this space maximizing style of diorama, which, you know, as the forced perspective, you know, it like, like makes you feel like there's more depth than there is because the actual

little windows, like the spaces they had to make those, the little exhibits were extremely narrow. Right. So the depth is all kind of your eye telling in the gaps. Yeah. So there, so it was this one in the fifties that was kind of your eye telling in the gaps. Yeah. So it was this one in the 50s

that was kind of like clever and made of flats and almost like in the world of the multi-plane camera, like the way the movies are done where like, you know, just things stacked on different levels. Then they redid it in the 70s and that looked kind of more like a display at the Disney store.

That was done with like dolls. It was kind of, and then at some point, I think early 2000s, they evicted that and said, let's go back to the original. It's like a little bit more classic and feels more like the film.

And in fact, I went and looked at that 70s version. It is kind of, there's something like kind of, there's sort of a creepy 70s Barbie air to it for sure. I don't know what it is it actually is a lot more dated than the the original one was yeah it makes sense because the because the way that it is now it feels so timeless to me it really is like i still think it looks really cool

it's really the depth it's deceiving yeah like how deep and big the little scenes are but yeah like dolls i guess dolls give it scenes are. But yeah, like dolls, I guess dolls give it too much of a physical presence. Like it's too much, it grounds it in reality too much, I think. Yeah, yes. Having them be more, I don't know what you would call it,

not like trans, not using the same effects, I suppose, and just having them be represented by dolls just makes it too much. You know what, here's the aesthetic here's what the the 70s version looks like it looks like is the show thunderbirds yes that uh team america was based on like the prince looks extremely thunderbirds there's a charm to the pictures i saw yes but it doesn't feel quite the same like i think i would still like going through it but it would it would be a little bit more that it like creeps me out yes yeah there's that part of it also reminds me

of the is it todd haynes who did the movie about karen carpenter with barbie dolls oh maybe just like the real like i mean as with all things karen carpenter it's really like heart searing yeah she's so tragic and this very upsetting, unauthorized movie about her spiral done with Barbie dolls. And I just can't, I'm looking at sleeping beauty. I'm like, Oh no, the sleeping beauty,

the band's going to die. You're going to get unhealthy. Be careful. Sleeping beauty. It very much looks like a diorama. The definition of like school project diorama where it's like i put a parvy and a gi joe and they're signing the declaration of independence yes yeah yeah extremely um yeah they seem like their bodies aren't made to have like big hats and wigs on them there's something a little

proportionate just because does anyone have a shoeboxate. It also, just because there's- Does anyone have a shoe box? It is just for school. Just because they're small, I just, I do like think, oh, like there's little tiny versions of them living in the castle. And I don't think that when I see the current version. Like it feels more to you like little,

little doll souls are trapped. Right. It's like, oh yeah, here's like tiny Maleficent and here's tiny Aurora. And they're going about their day or whatever. But the way that they have it now, I do, I can't, my brain just sort of

doesn't think about the scale. You don't, if they're 3D and physicalized, they're like half alive to you. If they're flats, they have no souls. That's what I'm saying. So you're not worried about them being trapped in the castle forever. Yeah, this feels like these little dolls

are trapped in this castle forever. Hmm. Like get me out of there. Yeah, I don't want that. Well, you'll be happy to hear forever yeah this feels like these little dolls are trapped in this castle forever hmm like get me out of there yeah i don't want that well you'll be happy to hear that now they're they're all gone and we're incinerated this was a switch out in 2008 that they went back to this original style and boy this feels like unfamiliar to me because i would go see the dolls version because i was like i liked being a kid and knowing oh there the dolls version because i was like i liked being a kid and knowing oh there's this kind of secret thing like i think i did always make a point of going to the sleeping beauty walkthrough when i went to disneyland as an adult rarely i

think i've only seen this like once since they did it in 2008 which is a long time ago now yeah i i that's this is what because i went in 2007 for the first time to Disneyland, and I don't remember the dolls. I don't think I ever saw the dolls. I'm not sure. I don't think you could go in there. I think that was during a stretch of time. Oh, when it was closed. Okay, so then it was never possible that I would have seen the dolls.

You would not have seen the dolls. Okay, that makes sense then. I don't think I saw the dolls. I don't think I really discovered this until the 2010s. The rare dolls Mike has never seen. Oh, and that makes me upset because I could have been in the presence of these weird dolls, which is all I want in my life is to be near weird

dolls. You're going to get a perfect recreation of all of Susan's dolls from Seinfeld. Everyone exactly where they were on the shelf. Oh, I would buy... What are the ones... Which one did she have the doll that looked like? George's mom.

I would buy an official Seinf like? George's mom. George's mom. Yeah. I would buy an official Seinfeld branded George's mom doll. God. That would be good. I wouldn't buy it, but I'd happily come over to see yours. Yeah. I would like to go see it. That would be good.

That is an extremely funny prop. Uh-huh. Yeah. Hey, talking about school projects, the thing I was thinking about recently, I feel like we did a lot of projects where they would say, like, go home next week, bring in a coffee can, like a tin coffee can. And like one teacher, like, poked holes in either side and had rubber bands and a weight in it. Put rubber bands and a weight in it and you'd wind it a weight in it, and you'd wind it up,

and it would move like a remote control car. Okay. Like, to demonstrate motion and inertia and that sort of thing. I was thinking the other day, like, looking at a bag of coffee grounds, I'm like, wait, nothing? I think I have, like,

a can of Maxwell House in the house, and that's like a cardboard can. Do kids just don't do those projects? Are you concerned that kids don't play with cans anymore? Well, because everything's like plastic tubs of coffee or bags of coffee. Or curing pods. Certainly can't do anything with those. So you're concerned about the lack of kids' coffee projects

in today's elementary schools. Even paper mache. Oh, go home, bring in a bunch of newspaper. It's a pain in the ass to get a whole newspaper nowadays. I guess that's true. Yeah, yeah. That's true.

Well, if you ever run for elected office, would you put this on your platform? Just to get kids to be able to work with paper mache and empty coffee cans again? I would prefer coffee manufacturers not use so much plastic. Because it was tin? The old cans were tin?

Or metal? What were they? Some kind of metal. Lead. Lead boy. Lead boy. Lead boy coffee. Careful, Mom and Dad. Your son might end up being a podcaster if he drinks enough of that lead boy coffee. Too much lead boy.

He's going into the arts and entertainment. Too many school projects. It ruined your brain. I remember once in school, I was like, okay, I got to make Stonehenge. I'm going to get Styrofoam. I know that's easy. Cut up, and we'll just buy a can of spray paint. We went to the craft store store and they're like,

you can't, if you spray paint, styrofoam, it shrinks. You can't do that. Oh, I remember learning that. Yeah, I had no idea. Did you make Stonehenge? Yeah, just out of styrofoam and like paint that you just dab with a sponge. How did it look?

Um, we did our best. We did our damnedest. Got it. Understood. We did it the Sunday before the Monday it was due, you know? PTR challenge. All of us make Stonehenge. Who would make a better Stonehenge? I'll make Stonehenge.

MacDamp Pyramids? Much easier to make with Styrofoam. Did I make? I feel like I did make some pyramids once, and I can't remember for what project, but I definitely made pyramids. I think I made planets too. I don't know who of us would be the best. I don't know that any of us are particularly handy,

good with our hands. The only challenge really where we all made something was the Ronto wrap, and in that, I blew y'all out of the water. Yeah, yeah, mine was the saddest thing I've ever. Sometimes my phone, my, my phone that is now full of photos of my children.

Sometimes my phone will still decide, we'll go like memories. And it's a photo of your weird, sad Ronto rap. Uh huh. Uh huh. You kids, a lot of kids probably bored of that huh memories weird hot dog today there is some stuff that you can't believe technologically we're there

and then there's some stuff where you go this is the dumbest computer i've ever seen like why is it showing me a hot dog remember hot dog day that seemed important to you i was listening to you you were all excited about it i saw it like the ai the ai confidently answers questions wrong so off like oh yeah so fucking dumb it's so it's so so dumb you see him upset trump back in office want happy memory from better Biden days? Look at hot dog. I recently searched CityWalk Billabong to try to find pictures, and

I've been trying out DuckDuckGo as my search engine, and the first result, because it's more secure. It's more secure than Google. The first result was our fandom wiki about the city walk saga wow and that was that was even before wave santa got out there yes wave santa has made it an absolute and like a very tight bond between us and city walk

he's sweeping the nation in a lot of ways. Oh, that's nice to think about. I'm just imagining him surfing everywhere. Surfing on the Pacific Ocean, but then surfing on the Mississippi River. Right. His leg. Wow. Have a fun journey, Wave Santa.

One of his legs broke clean off as I was leaving here. Makes a lot of sense. I got to super glue it back on. Those were really really really skinny leg those are those are yeah puny legs to hold up a whole wave pulled it out of the car and it fell right off we're aesthetic there's a reason the back was covered in velcro squares but don't worry he's in the garage he's all right um i'm still partying i think we can't move on from the story of the diorama without saying that it was closed for a number of years.

You could not access that. You could not go in the castle. That changed in 2008, but it started in 2001 because of... Oh, okay. See, I saw this... I saw this mentioned, but maybe it above...

Say the line, Jason. September 11, 2001, and the terrorist Say the line, Jason. September 11th, 2001, and the terrorist attacks on the United States. Pepo. Pepo. Yay! I was reminded of the correct pronunciation from Mike's lovely Wave Santa montage video.

Oh, yeah, because you took a picture outside. He took a picture. So next time you need to know, just take a picture. Look at that video with Wave Santa. Yeah. What is it, Jason? Hold on.

It's my version of memento. I just have Polaroids. They're mostly Wave Santa. What do you remember about your life? There was a cool wave. I think he delivered presents. That's all I wrote.

That's all I got. Okay, now you were hesitant to say that the castle was closed because of 9-11 because they deny that. That's the Disney. Again, like tall tales, urban legend, like a former head of Disneyland was like, no, it wasn't because of 9-11. They just actually didn't feel like running that anymore. Right. It wasn't worth the staffing. it wasn't worth this the staffing either was it worth one person to open the door in the morning yeah yeah yeah so maybe not because

like i don't know once you got they got security measures i don't know what you're gonna do in the castle well i don't i guess i don't want to i look i don't know the ins and outs of bombs uh i don't know what you could do i guess but i don know. You could also blow one up just next to the castle. I don't think they're stopping all the threats by not letting you go inside. Well, if they're not going to stop a loogie, what else? Yeah. Well, that'd be the fear, I guess, maybe. Yeah.

Like, what if you're spitting something explosive? What if you're like, that's gasoline, and then the next person comes along with the light? Like a fire eater. Yeah. Oh, yeah, shit. You drink gasoline, and you hock person comes along with the lighter. Like a fire eater. Yeah. Oh, yeah, shit. You drink gasoline and you hock Tua some gasoline out of your mouth. Criss Angel would do that, I think. She said you got to hock Tua that thing, but if you're a flamethrower,

if you're a flame eater, maybe you don't got to do that. That's dangerous for everyone. Did Ricky J ever hock Tua some lighter fluid and turn it on fire? There's no way he did it not. You're saying he did, of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. All right, they all do it.

We call this hawk to-ing. I invented the phrase. What have we missed, just general? I was going to say, I think the dioramas, if I'd seen it as a little kid, I would have been really into it because it's pretty dark in there. It has these similar aesthetics to a haunted house, but it's Sleeping Beauty. I know I'm not going to get scared. Yeah, that's true.

Yes. You're nervous because it's narrow corridors and there is evil laughing in there with Maleficent and stuff but like probably nothing is gonna yeah you know what it's a good that it is like a little test out I'd say of a of a maze or something yeah yeah um there's an old I was seeing I don't there was a creepy picture from the original version and it says meet uh meet Maleficent's demons and you would see did you see this photo no it's a really like it's a black and white photo of these two really scary like kind of the pig pig guard guys and there was an illusion where you would like look through a keyhole and then your eye would be reflected back as if they had a real eye and it looks like this would just scare the shit out of children scary as hell i

take it back then i guess uh so i, oh, that was kind of cool. Damn. You know, as we fight against the removal of everything scary at the park, I'm like, oh yeah, give me back these pig goons. Let me see the pig goons with the real human eye. Yeah, that's scary. You might have dreams about pig goons for the rest of your childhood. At least

give us a little corner of scare. Be like, if you want to take your kids over to get them scared by the pig goons, it's over here. Yeah. You you don't have to they don't have to if you don't want it to yeah yeah but for like for like my daughter who seems to like my daughter want to take a picture with beetlejuice at universal on wednesday cool and she turned down all the simpsons she turned down any simpson any like chief wiggum statue or marge or whatever and then we saw beetlejuice and she doesn't know beetlejuice isice is, but I go, it's Beetlejuice. And she's intrigued.

I go, you want to take a picture with Beetlejuice? She goes, yes. I go, is he scary or funny? She goes, funny. And I go, okay. So we go and we have a picture and she's like staring right at him, smiling. She like seems to like scary stuff. That's great.

Weird looking. That's nice. Just remember to take her to parks too. Well, there's a park at Universal. I've been concerned about. Park at Universal. I guess, yes. There is. She's great. Weird looking. That's nice. Just remember to take her to parks too. Well, there's a park at Universal. I've been concerned about it. Park at Universal. I guess, yes. There is. She loves it. Okay, well, good. All right. If that's what it takes to get her to, I'm concerned about

getting this kid into an actual park. She's gone to a lot. She goes to parks. I'm just explaining that it's very stressful because of how often a bossy seven-year-old just takes my child, grabs her around the waist, takes her down the slide. Not the same kids, different kids every time? Different kids.

I would say 80% of the time this happens. Your daughter is very tall, though. You got to teach her some wrestling moves so she can put those older kids in their place. She's two and a half. I don't know that she knows self-defense yet. But soon, she'll hopefully know it soon but but we ran we kind of ran into the same situation at the park the park at universal inside the playground

equipment at universal oh my god where where she's an older kid what is doing something like climbing on top of the playground oh and she's trying to do it okay okay and then if i go no you just go in the slide or go over here she's screaming at me and she's like no let me i'm like that kid is climbing on top of the tube not through it just go through it it's fine and she starts screaming at me because she's trying to struggle her way up she's very aggressive she's uh very spirited wow geez so uh no she still goes to some real parks, but she also meets Beetlejuice on a Wednesday afternoon. That's what you get

when you're my daughter. I can't say that a regular park gives you that. You cannot meet Beetlejuice at a park. And if there's a guy who looks like Beetlejuice, it might be just a guy who spent the night there. Yeah, get out of there. Sleeping Beauty Castle is, of course, the original Disneyland castle,

but it also got a sequel when Hong Kong Disneyland opened. Oh, yeah. And the idea was that here for this new park, we will pay homage to the original park, and we will exactly recreate the original castle. This was weak sauce. Boo. I don't buy that for one second yeah it seemed like after we've had the evolution of like the the little castle only works as part of the like

little charming nature of disneyland now that we've built bigger and better castles it just i mean i don't know about that i don't even want to say better i really like sleeping beauty castles but the like the idea that we're going to go back it was just such a i see through this is no tribute you just are looking for a reason to build a small castle and then sure enough years later it's gone building new giant castle right everybody happy fine well whichever ceo was in charge i don't know about that choice well i'm sorry to tell you it was the the decaying days of the one that we like yep yeah i don't believe it. I'm sorry. I refuse to believe it. I mean, maybe they, you know,

maybe it was a like Trump blaming things on Biden kind of thing. Yeah, that's what it was. Maybe they threw him under the bus. It was that. Hong Kong also surrounded by beautiful, lush, green mountains. Mountains behind the castle. Like hills and stuff. I want to know what it looks like in person

because they added stuff to it to make it bigger, but I feel like maybe it looks like in person Because they added stuff to it to make it bigger But I feel like maybe it looks odd In person Because Tony Baxter was talking about doing that to Sleeping Beauty's castle They were thinking about What can we do, could we make it bigger And they were just running into problems

With the force perspective And just how it would look versus Matterhorn And how it would look through So they considered it and they just determined that like, if we make it bigger, it's going to throw everything off, I think. So they decided against it,

which is probably the right call. They talked about really? Yeah. I wonder in what? I mean, I don't know how close they ever got, but that was just, they threw that out like,

man, we could make it bigger maybe. Huh. What would it look like? And they thought it was a bad idea. Well, this, this may be naturally brings me to something that I've had this proposition,

and maybe we'll find this to be fruitful or we'll let it go, but something that I thought we could do as we pay homage to original days of Disneyland, we could also pay homage to original days of Podcast the Ride and maybe do something that we haven't done that we completely lost years ago, which is bringing back the original rating mechanism, which is, I don't remember the right order, but plus it up, keep it as is, burn it down for the insurance money.

I think that the class of 55 could get run through this perspective because in 70 years, there's certainly a lot of ways that you could plus things up, but also is it more classic to keep it as is? And also we've already talked about a lot of vandalism and terrorism happening to the castle.

Do we just go all the way and burn it down for the insurance money? That's a good question. Now, I've read, and I don't know if this is true, but I've read that a big part of the— the castle's 77 feet tall, I believe, right? Did you read that? I think that's right. Which is very small when you think about what it might be not even in the top 10 structures size wise out at the Disneyland

Resort relatively short compared to everything else but I think a big part of it is that the Matterhorn would look really weird if you built a bigger castle the Matterhorn now with the perspective looks like it's a mountain in the distance a little bit but i think the mat like building this i don't know what the actual numbers are but like you had 30 feet and then it's like the same size as a matterhorn which feels weird so if they were like we're going to do the same exact design but bigger but we're also demolishing the matterhorn and building a bigger matterhorn or one that looks in a different, I don't know if you can make the perspective different, then I could possibly be interested in burning down Sleeping Beauty's castle

for insurance money. It's both. This is a pact. Both have to go. That's what I'm saying. But come back. Yes. And I would argue that if you're going to build it bigger at the very least

it should look almost give the exact same vibe as the current one just make it bigger and like make it have more you just still have a walk through through it i bet unless you want to ride if it's big enough which i don't think it could be but i could be convinced to burn it down but i think you have to rebuild the matterhorn as well. Interesting. But now are you, how would you feel about it's just bigger Matterhorn and not, because I also like the idea of the Matterhorn being way taller. So you're saying Sleepy Beauty stays the same

and Matterhorn gets double the size? Yeah, double Matterhorn. I'm in for that, yeah. Yeah. And again, that's another really, like really steep dips in there, but smooth. Well, again, that's a rumor we've read, is that that thing's going to have to be torn down in the next couple decades

because it's falling apart. Yeah, I was going to say structurally it's amazing it's still standing at all. So maybe you have to double it in size if you're going to redo it. I mean, I think you want to compete with today's rides, yeah. Yeah, or who knows what what will become of it it would be end up being so skinny that i think it would be it would just feel like this big odd lump if you because it couldn't get much wider yeah you're right right so just like it's uh it's like a big thick pole basically like heading up into the sky yeah yeah yeah i kind of like it

this could be weird big thick pole yeah big thick pole and let josh mayhem do it make it all rain make it all rainbow drippy yeah and you can you can watch the big pole like there's a show that happens but you can watch from the roof of arthur and sons from downtown disney your big cigar with your stogie and your verve you get injected with tea you get your dick out you get injected testosterone at the table too somebody comes around sir will you laugh so it laugh with all the spittle laugh at everyone around you but i yeah i i i'm i'm not so i this is really i feel like i've almost evolved in some of my thinking i don't want want the rivers of America to go away in Florida. I think that's probably a bad idea.

I don't know why it had to come to that. It doesn't seem right to do that. I mean, I understand it's expensive to keep up the swamp land with the wall. Like that's probably part of the, part of the decision, but you could spend a lot of money and fix it. I think,

I don't think it's impossible, but I am not so precious that I think. I don't think it's impossible. Yeah. But I am not so precious that I couldn't be convinced of demolishing some landmarks and making cooler new versions of them. Okay. I think. Okay.

But it depends. It depends what the new one would look like and it depends their philosophy. Any thoughts, Jason, about the old ranking system? Yeah, I think this one I'm going to go with keep the same. Any thoughts, Jason, about the old ranking system? Yeah, I think this one I'm going to go with keep the same. Yeah. I think it is charming.

I think it suits Disneyland well. Yeah. I don't know that the newer iterations of the company I would trust. I got to look at that Hong Kong castle again, because I have looked at it before, and the concept art looked very cool of like little pieces

of different castles or different characters' homes and the execution and taking something from two-dimensional drawings to three-dimensional space occasionally just looks like a hodgepodge that's what I'm wondering

if it looks weird in person yeah I guess there's something silly seeming about it yeah i'd be curious yeah i wouldn't mind and they kind of did it's not connected in disney world when they did the fantasyland expansion i wouldn't mind if they like made the castle like wider like i wouldn't mind if like because because right now it kind of blends into like the the little, what's the, where the dancing takes place. Fantasy fair. Fantasy fair.

Thank you. With Figaro and everything. But I wouldn't mind if they even like did something that would like, I don't know, make it take up more space, but doesn't have to go vertical. Maybe there's no room for that, but expanding the like spires and more. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I guess you'd have to get rid of dark rides probably more impenetrable yeah more to fight spitters yeah um i think my i think i

would do the most subtle plus it up which is give me room to have a drink up there well i want to go to the top i don't like yeah and i you know i mean another person would be nice i guess i'd like to share this with aaron but if you can only fit one, you know, maybe it's a good place to go get some reflecting done. I want a glass of champagne on top of the, imagine the feeling of like you're all, it's like just having the tip of the castle to yourself. So it's a bar for one person? Yeah.

Okay. Yep. Yeah. Okay. And it's just like, is there a bar for one person yeah okay yep yeah okay and it's just like i don't want anyone in my style is there even my best friend is there a bartender up there too no no you get no you get the they give you the drink and then like all right she's all yours and then you walk up a little spiral staircase okay then you just you just sit and think just think about your life think like my god it all goes by so fast once i was just a kid here and now i'm at cape age

but they they play a kid kids bop version of closing time when you have to leave kids you don't have to go home but you can't stay here okay i mean technically that you know that's not doesn't have to be about a bar like they don't have to kids bopify it you know that could be about a chicky cheese closing it's a very good point yeah yeah you don't have to go home um this is creepy i want to be there so bad just the solo i'm not even a champagne person really but like what else would you drink up there? Bourbon. Bourbon.

All right. I think you survived the podcast. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Did you see that before the walkthrough was open, did you see this? What the castle was full of? Not Nazi plunder. Not Nazi plunder.

Cats and fleas. I saw multiple. I don't know. Full of fleas. There was one door you could open. Ah cats and fleas i saw multiple fleas i don't know there was one door you could open ah visible fleas tens of thousands of them multiple people online have said that it was full of fleas because of the cats so walt went in there to look and he got like you got fleas on him so they were like oh shit he opened the door and they all vocalized yeah so right into his mustache so sleeping we can thrive in here yeah sleeping beauty's castle was full of fleas before it had to walk through so so if we're really being traditionalists here if we're really going class of 55 they should honor that tradition they should bring the fleas back

opening day fleas another castle kind of annex the castle heraldry shop did you guys ever pop in there where you could get family crests you could get like a shield right yeah you could get a shield or an expensive

sword and it's not there anymore. I'm seeing it left in 2017. But I wandered in there once, years after first going to Disneyland, and went, you can buy a fucking, not a suit of armor, but it felt like that in there. Yeah. Wow.

It was like, why is this? And then shortly after I discovered it was there, it was gone. Because they were like, no one's buying. Wow. Very expensive. No one's ever in the year. Wow. So if you wanted protection while you stormed a toxically masculine bourbon and steak place, if you went in, charged in with a sword and needed some help blocking the security guards.

That's where you would have gone. Trying to cut it up. You would have gone there. Jason carving J into everything like Zorro. I reclaim this place for innocence. You should. Tortilla Joe in the honor of Tortilla Joe. TJ.

I will avenge you, Tortilla. TJ. What, for Trader Joe's? No. No. Tortilla Joe's We'll make you proud sir Tortilla Jason is here

We never put that together Yeah Alright well I think that does it I think you survived Podcast the Ride From all of us here From Scott, Mike and Tortilla Jason. More Class of 55 weird old disneyland stuff uh do you want uh tales of walt in the war uh do you want a full reading of something that i uh when i looked

up people who met walt disney in the war it led to the always reliable quora results um people looking for an answer to the question did did Hitler and Walt Disney ever meet? And the answer is no, wink wink. I could not find anything because Walt gave Lenny Riefenstahl a tour of Walt Disney Studios. I did not see any stories of her going to Disneyland and going like, oh, it's like a tiny new swatch castle.

We can only imagine it. Excellent Lenny impression. Forever Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson, Jason Sheridan, Scott Gairdner, Brett Bohm, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey.

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