Podcast: The Ride - Snow White's Scary Adventures

Episode Date: October 12, 2018

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The following Hauntcast is about an attraction so ghoulish, it almost turned a young Mike Carlson off theme parks entirely. Rest your weary bones in a scared chair next to a scared deer. It's Snow White's Scary Adventures on HauntCcast the Fright, the show hosted by two men who were once very scared of today's ride, and one big brave boy who ain't scared of nothing. I'm said big brave boy, Jason Sheridan. Join, as always scott carter and i'm one of the little scaredies and the little scaredy mike carlson jason you were roasting me i'm scared and i'm scared of roasts uh you took a big leap there uh that is

i can back up with evidence you were were correct. You made a good guess. But let's be honest, though. The word scary is in the name of the ride. So how else am I supposed to feel? For now. Added later, though. Added later. As we'll get into.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't always in the title. Yeah. But what you are listening to also is the first episode of haunt cast the fright which we will be for all of october we are uh out of the last themed thing and into the next themed thing immediately uh for those of you who have not listened uh since the city Walk Saga began. Welcome back. Encourage you to go back and check out highlights. There's so, so many twists and turns.

A spectacular ending, I thought. The way I figured, you can just do like one City Walk Saga episode a month now for the next 19 months. So like when you're, maybe there's no podcast or you got an extra hour to kill, catch up on it know you didn't have to do it daily in a lot of cases an extra two hours okay another two hours sure um also no they're not going anywhere they're up you know take take your time yeah they are up and accruing uh and admiration. And within a couple of years, we'll be considered one of the great cult podcast mini-series.

Right. Maybe it's not there yet, but... It's not... Look, we're not getting serial acclaim yet. We're not getting Finding Richard Simmons, or whatever Richard Simmons is missing. What's it called? Something about him looking for...

Oh, Richard Simmons is missing. I don't think it's called that the wrong show the show that was where is richard simmons edwards richard simmons was always fine or the porno dad show my dad wrote a porn a lot of people seem to like my dad wrote a porno do you guys know this show what is that it's a show about like a guy whose father passed away and when they were going through his things that he found this very long erotic novel. Okay. How dare you be talking about other compelling podcasts when we're trying to hype up what we have just been through.

I mean, that's true. Yeah, we certainly went through an ordeal. I don't, we should all, the only thing we should be talking about with any enthusiasm is, yeah, these guys Did this thing where They went to CityWalk For 19 days in a row

And there was a little boy Ghost keeper You gotta check it out If we And if any of us Have children Which obviously Very unlikely

But if any of us Have children They're gonna find Years later Like in their 40s Or 50s They're gonna stumble upon The fact that their dads

Did 19 episodes On CityWalk. And then they'll do a podcast about it. It'll be like, oh my, did you? My dad did a 19-part series on a shopping mall. We've also like lessened our chances of having children just because of the amount of salt we have consumed. Because we had down our actual sperm count? Possibly. I mean, we were walking a lot. lot no i just meant our longevity of life so oh yeah we will die sooner sure i thought you meant like

because they would put salt peter in like military meals to make sure the men weren't that horny that's what i heard so i thought maybe we're our drives are down i don't know well that's you of course of course but scott and i way down as far as our teas every now and then you hear about someone who like lived to a hundred something and they would eat like bacon and hardtack and whiskey sure like how much hardtack have you been eating lately i eat the normal amount of hard tech just just doctor recommend it just uh yeah have you ever had hard tech i don't think i mean you're thinking about it i don't think so i think because i i went to a lot of like colonial themed shit growing growing up in like the pennsylvania area there's a lot of colonial uh theme shit we're going to new england and i'm sure we would have must have had some foods of the time but like a hard tag is a biscuit

it's a biscuit yeah but that was so that was more of a military like ration sort of thing because i think it doesn't mean you wouldn't have had it somehow yeah that's true old timey thing i don't think i've had a heart attack. Okay. Well, call your dad. Maybe he has some information about it. I did email him about something on today's episode about the topic, which I should say we're talking about Snow White Scary Adventures.

Snow White Scary Adventures. It is a month of the scariest attractions on Earth. And where better to start than with the most bone-chilling. Yeah. The first attraction I ever went on at Disney World. Oh, I see. Wow. It's seeming to me like maybe we all have parent stories and contacts related related to this episode i would think we had to unlock

memories of um uh yeah of of the hidden terrors that befell us um yeah well uh you know where yeah we're we're better to begin in a terrifying month. Is there a more, is there a scarier ride than Snow White's Scary Adventures? Soon we'll find out. I can't imagine there would be. Not a maze where some teenager's running at you with a chainsaw or there's slasher characters from movies running at you. No, no, no. It's a tiny two-minute ride on a tiny little car on a little fast track where a bunch of like static mannequins like slide out toward you.

That is what we're talking about. And I'm saying that in jest, but no ride scared me more. Yeah. And I think it's possible that there is not a ride that, uh, has produced more terror because it just sheer volume. If you go back to the 50s

and chart all the many decades of some iteration of this ride occurring, and it is a ride that kids can go on in terms of, you know, it's not a twisty-turny ride, so all ages can go on. I just feel like more tiers have probably been produced by this ride,

maybe than any other in the world. More than Haunted Mansion. I think you know what you're getting into on the haunted mansion and i think this ride pulls a bait and switch on you yeah the haunted mansion is downright delightful compared to the especially the original walt disney world snow white scary adventures like yes i mean that's true i went on haunted mansion with no problem i might have like squinted a little bit but i was not nearly as scared as i was on this thing so can we get into because you have had such a visceral reaction to talking about this ride as a kid why don't we start with that sure sure let's explore it yeah let's explore that because you're holding your hand out like you're a therapist and you're like

let's start with you uh no i'm just curious i was just surprised when you brought this up because my my the long and short of me is i never i liked this ride i always i never gave this ride much brave brave little boy what did you call yourself oh a big brave boy ain't scared nothing okay that's as long as i remember that i was trying to figure out something sluggo from nancy would know that is that is a perfect way to describe yourself i'm not mad about that at all but as for us yeah uh yeah uh no that so i think i'm i really should have double checked with my mom i could have maybe gone on like dumbo or something first but my memory is when i was three years old we were in florida three or four and the first ride we went on was this ride and it's the original walt disney world version of snow white and it was not called scary adventures

but it was the scariest of all of the versions of the ride it was just was it just called snow white's adventures yes that's yeah yeah okay sure uh and the ride is if you haven't been on it it's like all these dark rides in fantasy land are very claustrophobic so like the walls are closing on you and all the characters are pretty like close in proximity to you i think that's an element that makes it scarier than haunted mansion yes 100 a lot of room to breathe and it's all very calm there's no real jump scares other than i guess i was freaked out by the the things that do like pop up from behind the uh the tombstones yeah but that's there's a party going on at that point you know sure so it's a little yeah as a kid probably i was like uh but like there's such a fun song happening and there's a big party ghost party happening that at that point

those jump scares they feel like are lessened in their intensity yeah that i did not like the things jumping up in the haunted mansion but that music is so infectious like as a kid i was just like i'm here i get to hear one of my favorite songs this is before spotify you couldn't take it on the go exactly are you typically driving around blasting grim grinning ghosts yeah yeah it seems possible i don't know entirely possible uh well for me i would certainly be blasting the bare naked ladies cover of grim grinning ghosts that exists did they really interesting we can talk about that later though the full episode devoted to the note by note breakdown of the bare naked ladies ed robertson was doing

on the verse second verse here that i thought was very interesting um yeah so so we went on the ride and i loved the seven dwarves i i was obsessed with it they had re-released it in theaters not long before that and i remember like i remember going to see it i remember being so excited i remember taking a nap before going to see it because i was so excited there was a poster on my grandmother's door of like seven dwarves i love i wanted the toys that didn't exist and my dad came back one day because i was sick and i was like can you get me seven dwarves toys and my dad was like all right i will my mom's like they don't make those you can't promise him that they don't make those so my dad found seven like little ninja toys and he goes yeah these are the ninja dwarves here you go and i was like oh that's so sweet and i bought it like i didn't i was like

oh cool i like made them fight and i was none the wiser that those were not really the seven dwarves um now i didn't think about it though i wonder if he found like a perfect seven pack of ninjas or he like took some out to make it i really should ask him about that no yeah uh anyway so ninjas sound cool yeah i'd like to see a ride about them sure but uh the audience would be very uh slim for that i suppose i've heard of three ninjas but seven ninjas no i've heard of everything or too many uh so i was so excited to go on this ride and immediately the ride like plunges you into darkness it's already very dark and claustrophobic and very quickly your friends are not there the dwarves are not there immediately you start out in this little forest and then you go in and immediately you're just in you're just with the

witch and the queen like the queen and the witch yeah and immediately i'd like to explain something and we can go we'll go back and talk about the the, like the queen and the witch. Yeah. And immediately, I'd like to explain something and we can go, we'll go back and talk about the different versions and everything. But if anyone listening is, has in their head, the Disneyland version, which begins with, Oh,

no, no, no, no, no, no. Like there's a, there's a pleasant scene at the beginning before you are plunged into

terror. But the Disney world version that you went on not so much not even i don't think any pleasantness no you are immediately greeted with the witch turning around as an old hag and screaming just blood curdling like screaming yeah and i was done i mean i was done at that point was so scared. I closed my eyes and looked toward the ground. And my mom always tells the story that she was like pointing stuff out to me on the ride to try to show me because in her mind, we had, we drove down to Florida from Chicago area, which I don't know.

This is a crazy, I don't know why my parents insisted on doing this. Like good flying have been that much more money than like, I don't know, like parents insisted on doing this. Like good flying have been that much more money than like, I don't like an extra day of work. My dad had to take off. Like in hindsight, now that I think about it, like why did we drive a couple of times? Were you too young to fly in their eyes potentially? Maybe.

That's a funny thought. My sister was. A lot of people don't fly. A lot of kids don't fly. My sister was younger. No, I didn't fly until i was like 15 or something but so like i think we were thinking that's not how your parents chose to yeah and i don't know

if my mom was like scared of flying at that point or or i don't know i honestly i don't have an answer for this but i i think there's a cut off um in any direction from orlando of eight to ten hours where people if they haven't done it they have at least considered driving to the park. It's like 22 hours of driving from Schaumburg. It's not that short. So it's like a two day trip. And I remember we like left at night and I remember being very, or no,

this is, this is the second time we drove to Florida. Sorry. I'm mixing up my stories because I remember having my game boy in the back and we stopped at Burger King, but that's a different trip. That sounds like a hell of a time. I mean, that sounds like.

So, yeah. So we drove down. So my mom will say like, oh, we like drove all this way and he's not going to look at any of the rides. Like that was her first thought. And the whole way down you were bragging about, mommy, when you see me on the first ride we go on My pants are gonna come out dry I'm not gonna blink Big boy dry pants You'll be so proud of me

Immediately My head's on a swivel I will be enjoying all of the animatronics We will get our money's worth mother The money will be well spent Wait till you see how much I look at This all seems like stuff Jason may have said As a child The money will be well spent wait till you see how much i look at this all seems like stuff jason may have said as a child the money will be well spent mother your hard-earned

payday will come to fruition i've calculated the amount of joy i'll have for the ticket price uh so yeah so so she was like trying to get me. She's like, look at this. There's an evil tree or there's a this. And I think within like 30 seconds, she said like, oh, look over here. There's whatever, a squirrel or something. And I looked and it was a scene when the witch comes out on the boat. So I opened my eyes. The witch pops up or pops like that thing. And that's a similar effect to the Disneyland version, too, where she just kind of slowly comes out on a boat yeah she's on a boat now no i know i don't know she's turning around was she in a boat on a damn boat i can't i there's a lot of this where i'm like this is just the ride

this is like the ride taking shortcuts to try and tell the movie they love the witch on the ride they love it i was obsessed with the dwarves but this is a ride about the witch this is a ride about this woman chasing especially the disney world version she showed up so many yeah times six or seven times like she is full-on stalking your ass yeah so my mom's turning and i opened and then that was it and i was not going to open my eyes the rest of that ride and my mom said open your eyes mike eyes, Mike. And I said, oh, no. She said, look at that or whatever. And I said, I can't. My eyes are shut too tight.

That's the famous line. My mom always tells that story. I can't, mommy. My eyes are shut too tight. It's your eyes fault. It's not you. I was blaming it on my eyes. It was like, I cannot help it.

I am so scared my eyes will not open so i because and i wasn't crying or anything i was just like i don't want to deal with this scariness um and yeah so i think i think we won another dark ride and it was a similar situation um but luckily and we'll save that for the peter pan episode uh peter pan a nice distance away from all the things and i loved peter pan okay sure so you were it was dicey whether or not this trip was going to work out at all right it's a hell of a note to start on but peter pan turned you around how old would you have been i always forget i think it's 80s not 87 that's when my sister was born so i must have been like five okay i was probably was probably 89 all right it's it's it's brave of you to share these details

to go back and remember dates and times i know it's hard to do so but i'm glad you're doing it right are you about to do the same thing um well i guess i might as well tell mine um you know the first time i went on this ride uh was not the first time that i went to disneyland in general um which which i i will explain uh um basically i started uh i i told my mom that this was a topic we were gonna do that we were gonna kick off this month of haunt cast the frame with uh with this ride and she started telling a story of um the uh the the first time i was i was at the ride and i said you know what here wait save it call back leave a message uh and and tell tell the story that way so uh that that's that's what happened and i'm just gonna play the audio file i figured it would be uh you know this is the more

honest way to do it to let my mom tell the tale. So here now, for the first time, actually, her voice on the podcast, this is Kathy Gairdner. Hi, Scott. It's Mom. I was just remembering a story of when we first took you to Disneyland. You were four, and we were wandering through Fantasyland and I took you over to the Snow White ride and you stopped at this real cute sign on the outside that had all the characters and you looked at it and read out loud Snow White scary adventures board a mine cart to travel through the scary adventures of Snow White, but watch out for the Wicked Witch.

Supervise children at all times. Children under age seven must be accompanied by a person age 14 years or older. And then you turned around and said, Mommy, I don't think I'll go on this ride. And you maneuvered us right out of Fantasyland. Wow. That's always been one of my favorite stories.

Love you. Bye. And then my mom said she loved me. So that made me feel good. And then you added, Mommy, I'm sorry. We will not be getting the most for our ticket today. I apologize for you and father's earnings. We will earn our money by looking at each planter and the beautiful landscaping in the park, Mommy.

Yeah, I mean, I think I could have just told that story, but I wanted my, I knew that tale and I wanted my mom To do My mom could do A better impression of me At four years old Than I could now Because I had a Very high pitched voice I don't know If you know this

But I was I mean My parents always said I sounded like Mickey Mouse As a little kid And I probably Said the full name

Yeah I'll find a clip At some point But I think I was Constantly just saying mommy in falsetto as i did in this instance so i like i made a point of reading the entire sign very carefully out loud showing that i could comprehend the all of the safety warnings and then i just made kind of an educated uh decision and but what i didn't know is that i just took them out of fantasyland entirely and i

i did it sly like why don't we go see something else as if i was not just uh had you not been on any of the other dark rides in fantasyland at that point um i think i i'm not sure i think i must have been on one of them and as you said peter pan is fine and then you you go on the thing and we're talking about the Disneyland version there which is not which is not that scary not as much as the one that you went on kind of scary I might I might have skipped it like a bunch of times in a row

I think I saw the word scary and that was enough to get me to bail entirely and I don't I might have ended up going on it and thinking what was the problem what was the fuss here why did i why did i avoid this for so long mommy is probably what i said and just to confirm this was the post new fantasy land 83 redo yes correct okay where they kind of soft they softened it a little but

it seemed like they that was when they add it scary to the title and put up the warning sign even though they had dialed back a little on the terror. They made it less scary. They made the rides less scary. I mean, the redo in Florida was in the 90s, but the one in the 80s, yeah, makes it. But the redo they did was putting the word scary in front of the ride. And that is more, just that was more terrifying to me than anything internally in the ride that they could have done um uh so if you want me to avoid something put the word scary if there's a party

going on you don't want me at the party say my scary birthday party and i and i'll call my mommy and not go well and a big thing with these changes is that they put more of the dwarves in and they put Snow White in. Because for the longest time, she was not in, besides a brief period in the 70s, she was not in there. Because you were Snow White. You were supposed to be experiencing it from her perspective, what she would live. Which is all the Fantasyland stuff. When it first opened, that was the concept. And people did not get that because theme parks didn't exist.

I feel like now you can get away with a little more. Although now it's kind of like, you know, people want to see Optimus Prime. They want to see Harry Potter. Right. There's a balance between that on all the rides. You want to sort of experience what they experience. But also, if you're on the Snow White ride, you kind of want to see Snow White do something.

And how are you, a group of nine people, one young girl? How are you a single? That doesn't really make sense. Doesn't really make sense. Can I ask, do you have any memory of your first time other than just some cool leather jacket boy getting on the ride and saying i ain't scared of this so cigarettes on it when we were talking about this i was trying to remember that because i was a very nervous scared child and now i am a very nervous man i was a worry wart as a kid like i gave myself stomach aches just all the time just non-stop

and my parents do have a story of me freaking out um uh uh in in a ride but it was pirates of the caribbean like that was one of the first things they took me on and my dad just texted me because i was asking him um about this how old would I have been on this trip? Because this is this is a story my parents like to tell. And he wrote back. It would have been like February 88. So just under I would have been just under two and a half years. My brother hadn't been born yet.

And they wanted to go when I was still young. But they knew that if they waited for my brother to be born like it would um you know it would be another x number of years so they they wanted to go down um so we went down one of the first if not the first ride they took me on was pirates of the caribbean and i screened my head off and it wasn't because of the pirates it because of how dark the ride was it did not like the darkness as a kid i think that factors into snow white yes for me personally and i bet for you as well it's just darkness so quick my quick thinking parents similarly were like is he gonna do this

the whole trip what are we gonna do and they were at the gift you know you exit into the gift shop and they're like oh my god there's a little keychain flashlight. Let's give them the little keychain flashlight. So they bought a little keychain flashlight and they're like, okay, so why don't we go on another or why don't we go on this again, but we got this little flashlight. So if you get scared, just point it at the ground

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for that and for everything else including snow white so i emailed my dad and asked him uh was i scared of snow white and he said i don't remember you being scared on this. I do remember the flashlight being brought out, but you liked it. Hmm. Huh. You should ask him how bright was the flashlight and did it ruin the ride for the people behind us?

No, because they taught me. Don't bother other people with it. Aim it like in your hand or aim it at the ground. Okay. Just to see something right just to see some light and then i think i was just just fine with it and and yeah i mean i still have it's back in my mom's house somewhere i still have it yeah um i don't i think it stopped working years ago well when we go to halloween horror night you're gonna have to bring that flashlight with you um wait now hang away that was that was a pretty revealing

you just don't now you don't do halloween horror nights is what you're saying no okay well i don't either yeah none of us but a certain point maybe not this year we're gonna have to do it yeah we should just be we should be calling this month scaredyy Cat-tober. That's essentially what we're doing here. I'll tease. We've got a little bit of... We've got some frights coming up. We are dealing with actually scary things. It's not all going to be

pranks and goofs. We were scared of when we were three or five. I'm just saying, we're opening up. We're giving you these vulnerable moments in our lives. Just get your flashlight ready, Jason,

because we're going to scare the shit out of you. I had a little MacGuffin flashlight that solved all the problems and that's how it was good to go. Although,

I would still have to hype myself. I love the one at Mansion, but I was like, just got to get past that hanging. Oh, the hanging stressed you out yeah

the hanging man i think because it's like it's a constant narration it's a constant narration the stretching room and then it's the sudden lightning strike yeah i don't know the surprise i don't have a memory of that bothering me i don't know why i think i just didn't like sudden surprises like the lightning strike or the heads popping up. And you're not going to like the sudden surprise of a 21-year-old in a leather face mask jumping out at you when we go to Universal. I mean, we'll see. You're not going to like that either. Okay, let's not gang up on Jason. I'm so tough now.

I'm such a tough guy. to tell us they are uh it sounds like a chore but they are at the hollywood one selling limited alcohol refreshments uh at hollywood uh hard nights now orlando i believe is the wild wild west and i don't know that they really changed their alcohol yeah it's like mardi gras down there during this this thing uh which we got to do that too one of these days what the uh the orlando orlando ones well sure you got to compare the uh more of these days. What? The Orlando. Orlando ones. Well, sure. You got to compare the more heavily IP based Hollywood mazes to the more original attractions, which are called houses in Orlando. And we'll get to that on a future episode.

Next week or two weeks from now. Okay. Snow White. Back to Snow White. Back to Snow White. We're just going to have to move to Orlando for like three months. Forever. Well, there's an idea, yes.

Let's talk about some of the basic tenets of this ride as it does not relate to us peeing our pants as children. Do you realize this is the first opening day attraction we've ever talked about? Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't believe we've talked about a Disneyland opening day. I think that's right. That seems right. We have not talked about any of the primary Fantasyland rides of which this is one.

It was an opening day attraction in all of the original Magic Kingdoms in Disneyland, in Disney World, in Tokyo, and in paris and that was the last of this the snow white adventure rides that have been built it is no longer in florida which i guess the these the now uh seven dwarfs mine train which is a newer ride and that's in shanghai as well i believe i think it is yeah in hong, if you like Snow White, you're out of luck. I believe. I don't think they have a thing now. Orland became, is it called Princess Fairytale Hall?

Something like that. Something like that. Princess Photo Opportunity. Fascinatingly designed. It's crazy where they have multiple characters, but then there's switchbacks, and so you could, they rotate the print, but the geography of that is very

interesting to me how they navigate it so you don't see the other princesses you only see the one you're going to meet i've never i did not do that i took many as we know i took many photos in orlando with many characters but i did not as a lone man go and take photos with the princesses did you go to the princess zone no i've just read about it oh okay there's a smaller version in uh in anaheim you just read about how the doors work of the princess show i'd like to see you snooping around there in orlando noticing that you can't see the other oh you can't see the other princesses in here can you you gotta play it a little more cool in orlando for inspecting this stuff i was down at the park

recently and no one cares in anaheim right but you have to like bring a friend or a wife a person playing your wife around to make it not suspicious if you were just going just to hire an actress yeah hire a local actress to play his wife so we can go snoop around the princess fantasy fair area so we can see the different ways that they hide the princesses that sounds like a very charming rom-com that nowadays netflix would probably get made uh make it it would just get buried that's fine as long as you get some money that's true sag minimum or your wga minimum oh yeah sure he's gonna star in a movie where he hires a woman to go around disney world with this will have to have the permission of dis to do it, but he's only getting SAG minimum,

even though this is his film based on his story. It could be like Escape from Tomorrow, I guess. It could be another gorilla. We should reclaim the genre of secretly shot in theme park films. This is the perfect place. Well, I have to say, I mean, it's been a year now, so I could say I thought the florida project did it very well well it's not only it's only a little bit of it is in the only a little bit and i found it so moving the way they did it yeah that's fantastic great film

i'd like to talk if since this is an opening day attraction i'd like to talk about the first thing ever filmed in a disney park which is the opening day special have you guys watched the opening day special in full ever you like the one with like uh reagan reagan and what's the link letter yeah our link letter yeah i've seen that and like there's a lot of like a lot of weird pauses in the feed and like there's confusion going on parts where bob cummings can see art link letter and he can they know that this is a part in the broadcast where he's supposed to be talking but he doesn't have a microphone and they cut to him stomping around and loudly gesticulating and pointing to him and his ears and his mouth and now he has no way of right and due to uh fair uh fair airtime laws at the time

they occasionally cut to a young gorvidal ranting about the fall of society and capitalism just he was he was sitting in the mickey mouse planner in the front yeah um his head was the Mickey's nose. He did get to eat the very first Mickey ice cream bar. I may be upset about a lot, but this is delicious. That is so, I mean, because you know, Noam Chomsky's email is just, it's public. It's public and you can email him and he'll write you back. Oh. You could email Noam Chomsky and say, hey, have you had a Mickey Mouse ice cream bar? Do you think he'd respond? What do you think about the a Mickey Mouse ice cream bar? Do you think he'd respond?

What do you think about the whiskey? Well, who knows? Do you think he would respond while we're doing it? Can you email him right now, and we'll see if he responds by the end of our recording? And by the time it airs? He could, but we'd lose Jason for a while. I'm nervous.

I only have touchscreen devices, and I'm trying to hold a microphone. All right, fine. But I could do it by air date. We'll email him after this. Let's try it by next week. We'll find out. By next week'll find out yeah let's give it let's give a little gnome a little more time yeah um but so there's one little bit uh of the since we haven't talked about original fantasy land there's a little thing that i'd like to play my favorite part of the opening day special which is the lowering of the drawbridge to let kids into

fantasyland for the first time and boy do i like the voice that is in this video here we go open the fantasyland castle in the name of the children of the world. Open the Fantasyland Castle. I love that voiceover. I love crazy old men. The dog was really stirred by your impression. Did it make

Edwin freak out? I used to, our cat, I used to sometimes sing like Ringo. I'd sing that song, you don't love me anymore. And our cat would flip out. That was like the exact register that she could not handle. Edwin's tail is slightly wagging, so I don't know if he hates it. He might like it.

He just came to hear it more clearly. No, no, no, no. I don't smoke anymore. I like to write a letter up here more clearly no no no no i don't smoke anymore it's the ringo no no song look that one up that's my favorite um anyway what that makes me i like that vo and i want that to play i want an equivalent of that to play at every part of the park before things open for example open the napa wine patio for the day drunks of the world how much more fun would disneyland be open the women's restroom. Let's get Scott Caridur a Fess Parker winery Riesling. He's thirsty, my man.

The Riesling lovers of the world. Ralph Brennan's jazz kitchen is now serving dinner. The finest jambalaya in the world. Splitsville luxury bowling luxury lanes open the cat door for the feral cats of the world well um please do that and let me let me do it i want to be that guy

hire me as is the official disneyland bellower everything everything the children of the world they repeated that when they redid fantasyland yeah uh-huh they said the same thing we're opening it up the drawbridge for the children of the world the second only the second time that drawbridge was ever lowered yes because when they redid all of the rides in 1983 fantasyland was just closed entirely because the whole thing kind of got wrecked and the rides were not just slightly altered, but completely changed and lengthened by our now best friend, Tony Baxter.

He redid all the facades, so all of the more ornate versions of the rides that you see today, the fact that it actually looks like a Bavarian town, and he made all of the rides, including Snow White the fact that it actually looks like a bavarian town uh and he made all the rides including snow white 25 percent longer because he thought if people don't like the new versions at least they will get more uh bang for their but more more value uh the parents of the world will get more value for their admission fees um but uh yeah but so when they because there just was no fantasy land for uh a couple years they they raised the drawbridge and that's described by imagineers as a very

dramatic moment and a very dramatic moment to re lowering it it would seem like it would be very dark like it would seem like it would have been better to like just put up a sheet like keep the bridge down put up a sheet in there that just says like don't come in here like if you want you can walk in part of the castle but then there's maybe not a sheet maybe a wall maybe an actual physical wall that said like you know we'll be back in the next year but yeah i i think it was a i think it was a bold statement it was indicating that big you're not even going to be able to recognize it when it right comes back uh which is true they did a great job with it. I have one more thing about the opening day special,

which is the, I watched, they kind of, there's a little like opening musical number, which is very poorly organized. And boy, the old, there's a lot of videos on YouTube that go into this,

what the characters looked like in the early days. Oh yeah. I mean, Mickey, they, it was like a last minute idea on walt's part and he reached out to the ice capades which was the only thing at that point where there had been walk around disney characters and he got these ice costumes which all had these big bizarre slices

in their face like so like the the mickey mask would go mesh every uh every every once in a while like in the cheeks and in the forehead because the uh the ice dancers needed maximum visibility so the first couple years of disneyland you're looking at these bizarre ice uniforms for all the characters and that's that's true of the dwarfs also the dwarfs were super terrifying so in the in the opening day special you get to see all of the rides kind of one by one open and they show little clips of the movie and you see a ton of kids all flood into the snow white ride uh when the gates lifted and bob cummings one of the hosts of the special is sitting in one of the cars and like okay come on in kids all right cool uh take it easy uh slow it down not all of you not to hey well one at a time maybe okay good hey uh get get off my cord okay good fine very good he like scolds the children for

standing on his mic cord and it is like it is chaos the entire opening day special is chaos but this was one little sliver of a moment i enjoyed that's great yeah i mean from the way anyone ever describes that opening day it's like what is it 60 000 people something insane like descend upon anaheim and there's parts of the park unfinished and there's like just paths that lead to nothing and bootleg tickets someone figured out how to scout tickets that's why there were so many more than expected yeah and then there's like just people like i think people describe like cement drying still the first day and women's shoes getting stuck in cement and the only children running wild give them were the moccasins for sale in frontier like they were is that a true thing are you joking i know i believe that is a

thing i've heard really handing out moccasins because women's high heels got stuck in the cement yeah that's that's the urban legend i always heard yeah because people are getting stuck in the cement and then their shoes were dinged up or ruined and they had to give them something oh really we got to look into this if you guys at home have any um information about the free moccasins that people got opening day that's the old wise tale i always heard that's crazy i mean it also seems just crazy disney would give something for free yeah yeah true maybe they just marked them down we'll give you a five percent discount for getting your high heels stuck in the not dry cement well they gave out uh ice capades skates for free so

you could all right we can replace your shoes but you will have to walk around concrete on skates for free so you could all right we can replace your shoes but you will have to walk around concrete on skates but if you can handle the balance so this should get you going it was chaos yeah um no go ahead i was just gonna say the ride i i'm just both versions the ride this is something i don't know if you guys have the same thing. When we were kids, one of the most exciting aspects of getting on the ride was seeing which car you were going to get. Oh, yeah. Sure. And we would like, well, all at once we'll say what character we wanted because they have all seven dwarves on these cars. So what character did we all want?

And I'll say one, two, three. Dopey. Dopey. Right? Is there any kid who didn't want Dopey? Who really likes Happy in particular. I mean, I was praying Jason said, like, Doc. Sleepy?

Or Sleepy. I was thinking Doc or Sleepy. I mean, Sleepy would have been a better joke, I guess, for you. But, yeah. But, I mean, Dopey's the king. Or, like, Bashful or something would have been a cute choice for you. Oh, Bashful's cute but yeah dopey yeah sneezy is maybe who's like the least popular is it grumpy is popular because he's so

specific and because you get a shirt with grumpy on it for your asshole dad that's the tone of all those shirts is like hey isn't your dad a grump well get this shirt to shame him or this coffee mug to say he's so unpleasant in the morning oh no it's it's to embrace it it's the character we love about you dad um don't ever change uh but yeah we're yeah we're all dopey and he uh he definitely lands uh heavier than the other dwarves i suppose he's the he's the fun ways this other one he's the only one who's different doesn't have a beard uh-huh um i had a question about the dwarves in general which is do they know each other because they are all dwarves or did they all separately meet did they like go applying for mine jobs and then meet each other and go

we have so much in common we're all small you should get a place together why don't we all move in it won't cost us much the space being small after all like do they know

they're not brothers you know they're not canonically brothers there's nothing that says they're brothers no i don't think so they're in all a litter together yeah some of them where do dwarves come from because they could come from budding they could reproduce from like budding what what does that mean like another species like i mean i guess they're human budding like buds wait a minute what are you talking about dwarves are human i guess so but we never meet their parents but a lot of movies you meet their parents to know they're human you don't meet snow white's parents either there's a lot of magic shit going on snow white can summon animals with singing like that's some

real aquaman level shit voice i guess that's just science It's a lot of magic. A lot of magic going on. There is a witch with spells. There's a witch with powers. But is your thinking that the hobbits aren't human? Or are they a variety of human? Or are they a different species altogether? I guess humanoid. They're humanoid.

I would say. I feel like the dwarvesves the specific type of mining that they do this is just a guess is that it helps if you're of a smaller stature in these mines so whoever is in charge of these mines uh decided to hire specifically little people yeah and they got all the dwarves together and those are maybe maybe their... They all wear similar clothes, which are very similar to the clothes of David the Gnome. Yeah. Kind of a hat. And that's my question is, did they all have that fashion sense when they met?

Or was bashful in a suit? I think that was just a dress. Did they all form a unified, a group mind style? Well, Dopey is wearing pajamas that are too big for him. Yeah. And then like the hat, but it is a similar, I think it's just the clothing of the time for like poor people. I think, but I think they own the mind.

You think the Seven Dwarves own the mind? I think this is a collectivist, like this is the ideal. This is some like socialist paradise in your brain. I don't think that the seven dwarves own the mind who are they giving those jewels i think they're selling those jewels direct here's why you're wrong i think laborers own all of the they deserve all of the fruits but offhand i think i think jason is correct i think he's 100 wrong because why are they living in that small ass house but you just said nowhere because they're little it feels lavish no no i'm saying

they would be look they mine like big juicy jewels every day they have carts mine carts full of jewels like if these are legit jewels these guys are some of the richest guys we know they they would have a castle they would have had so much money that they would own a castle. They have to be giving these diamonds and jewels to some other mysterious person and they're making all the money. Unless the dwarves are very tight with their money, which

I guess is possible, the amount of jewels that they're bringing in a day. It's not like they're hunting and they get a couple pieces a day. It could be like Jay Leno. They don get a couple pieces a day. It could be like Jay Leno. They don't touch their Tonight Show money. It's all retirement. It's all in a fund somewhere.

I just think they're living a little bit higher on the hog than what they're doing in the movie if they own everything. I think they're higher. What if they collect them and they give it to a guy to sell the way that a a farmer would like he picks all the crops but then like here take it to market and maybe the guy taking it to market is screwing them because what i don't think is that they are slaves i don't think that they're being forced to be in that mind because they enjoy it they say digging is what they like to do um so i don't think they have a boss but i think there's some i think the seller is screwing them and he comes back with a little bit couple of coins and they're like oh boy we've porridge for us this week so they're just fucking idiots yeah yeah they're

being taken advantage of by some slimy guy but they seem happy they sing what i learned i never realized this is called the silly song that's that germany kind of song where like snow they were like and like snow white's just kind of clapping along yeah and there's a weird moment where like dopey has a uh an accordion no a symbol he has a symbol and he hits it and then he hits snow white's knee and then he puts it on his head oh no like a hat like a what kind of hat i actually don't know what kind of hat what that is called do you call that a rice patty hat yeah but i don't know if that's an americanized like term that's a scene in every Disney movie up until 1965. For sure, yeah.

There's a pretty racist cat in Aristocats. The crows take a break from singing, and then they put those hats on in Dumbo. They impersonate. They do a worse stereotype. Yeah, they double stereotype. Yeah, but I never knew that moment was called the silly song. Yeah, I don't know. i don't know i didn't

i don't know that i didn't know that so they're having a good time they're obviously very pleased i think i think they're just rubes i think they're getting taken advantage and that's sad then that adds a whole like a tinge of sadness to the whole thing yeah also where is this amazing mine full of like just completely perfectly shined up diamonds by the way this is a thing that i have to commend and we're not going to talk about it too much but the the mine train ride yeah is that the mine train ride takes all the scary stuff away and it focuses on what my sister and i's favorite part of the movie was the mine yeah the colorful diamonds yeah whistle while you work picking up like fully perfectly like shined up diamonds somehow don't like it's not a uh a hog looking for truffles situation where you

need you have to like go like where are they there are so many if they like they could go all day and there would still be bright diamonds and rubies and amethysts everywhere. They're all just open and out and ready to pluck like ripe apples. These guys should be the richest men on earth. Yeah. But something's going wrong. Maybe the seven-way split screws them somehow. I don't know.

That's true. They may just have a bad money guy. Yeah. Who's their financial advisor? It's the great, great, great, great grandfather of Lou Pearlman. Oh, boy. Makes a lot of sense, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou Pearlman had auditions for dwarves. The Huntsman could also. That's why they met. Yes, looking for little guys to fit into mine. I'll cut you in on so much of the profits. The Huntsman could also be screwing... Because he's the Queen's, like, fixer. He's like an Eddie Mannix type of, like, back in the day.

Right? Because the Queen sent the Huntsman to, like, Hey, go murder this person. This is another story. So this is how a little insight into how i was raised i loved when i my family would or my parents would read me the book the snow white book oh sure and my mom used to censor that part of the story when she would read it to me so it's the the thing that the evil queen says is like to the huntsman, like, go cut out Snow White's heart and bring it to me in this box.

Yes. And then he says, okay. But my mom would always say, go get Snow White and bring her back here. So a kidnapping is better than a slaughtering? I guess it is. She didn't like the graphicness of cutting out Snow White's heart. So she would change that around. So she would change the story.

Apparently, though, she caught my dad, and she didn't tell my dad the plan. And all of a sudden, she overheard, like, go cut out Snow White's heart. And she's like, ugh. Like, she ran in and, like, did a whole thing. Wow. Yeah, so that's a little bit inside. And you closed your eyes so tight you couldn't hear the story anymore. The sound of my blindness.

Father of mine um i you know uh speaking of uh censorship weird facts that i learned about this film is that uh this is so so what i all right i was trying to disseminate why did they make this ride so scary why is it not a ride where you're going through the the mine and the workshop and then there's a little bit of witch peril why did they double down on it is so just terrifying front to back and i guess if you were if you saw snow white when it came out probably one of the biggest pieces of it you're hanging on to is snow white running through the woods sort of

a psychedelic sequence because i i didn't remember how it all played out that the trees are kind of her fantasy it's not like there are magic alive trees trying to get her uh she's she's having a nightmare the the crocodiles kind of form out of logs and stuff so this is like a this is a crazy trippy sequence for the 30s that a lot of people discouraged walt from doing at all uh but he thought he doubled down and did it in all of those movies i was gonna say on all the first ones are terrifying so many of the original movies and rides still have i mean heffalumps and woozles is a hallucination there's so many hallucination scenes ah true yeah movies and rides and fantasia obviously trippy movie and then yeah um yeah so but he thought it's an important feature of the the fairy tales that i want to make these films of that they are genuinely scary that they actually are

kind of like grotesque and weird and freak kids out so he pushed that but uh um they had to like really uh argue with film boards across the world to get this film shown uh the english board of censors uh like after they they relented and they played snow white without editing it but the british public was very upset about it people people were like like honestly terrified and their their kids were freaked out and uh here's what i didn't know in england this this board banned all horror films entirely in 1934 so to play a film with this essentially horror sequence was a really big deal and then in italy then during the mussolini regime all terror films were banned and the first one after the ban was lifted was snow white and people who had not been

accustomed to seeing scary movies of any kind for decades and who didn't know what the medium could do this is the first animated feature film entirely it freaked the fuck out of everybody in italy worse than years of living under a fascist regime this scary cartoon was the worst part of living in Italy. But it's whatever the article that I read, I think this might have all been from the site Passport to Dreams, which wrote a really cool article about Snow White's scary adventures. But it's considered true that the specific bizarro type of Italian horror that was popular in the 40s, 50s, 60s was largely influenced by Snow White

and by this weird frame of mind that Italians were in where they didn't know horror at all and then it shot back up in their awareness due to Snow White. This kind of makes sense because I feel like Italian horror and British horror are very specific. I don't know how to say it.

Yeah, more upsetting in some regard i wouldn't pretend to be an expert in the genre but i know what they're saying that italian horror is a particular uh freaky vibe for sure so it's no white fault apparently watching the ride-throughs before the um refurbishment um that happened at both anaheim and orlando i was struck by even more than the haunted mansion i was like oh this is what like boardwalk haunted houses look like like this i think on purpose or inadvertently like influence like roadside haunted house just because like there's so much just like beach town haunted houses in amusement parks i just associate with yes so much screaming skeletons saying help me and like fucked up trees because like all of this shit is not that expensive

to make and there's not a good like not a good video of like what it looked like in the first five or ten years of it being open in disneyland to be yeah we looked around i didn't find anything but but the way people describe it is that you know the disneyland to be yeah we looked around i didn't find anything but but the way people describe it is that you know the disney world version is the disney world version is even painted differently and what you're saying about like haunted houses the color scheme in the in the video at least i watched of the the one in from florida the original one that one really reminds me of some janky like haunted fun weird fun houses i went on as a kid because like the witch even has this bizarre like green hue to her that she doesn't really have

in the movie like she seems more jacked up and weird than she does even in the movie and like all the trees and all the different characters like really have this like bizarre like they're very disturbing but also they have this color scheme that was almost reminiscent of like black light haunted house even though that's not really what it is but it feels like that to me from watching the video and i did like watching the video the florida one i was like and then especially after my dad said like no you turn on your flashlight once you're done but like you did like this i'm like watching it i'm like i do like this aesthetic like i was like this reminds me like there's a few comic book artists that are like really scratchy or really like nielsen kevich like i know you're saying i'm like oh this that's weird this is like hitting the

same part of my brain that those artists like that's true you know i think you feel the concept art in the style of this ride like it doesn't feel like a frame of a Disney movie. It seems like you're inside a weird, scary painting. Cause the, the movie itself is, is particularly, I think striking and beautiful.

And I think probably they, they went so hard on it cause they had so much to prove with it. Sure. But yeah, the backgrounds and just, even just watching the motion of the dwarves, I'm like, God, this is so like fluid and intense. Dude, that's that kind of thing. When you think about how little,

that this genre is unprecedented. Yeah. There has not been this kind of film. And so they don't just they don't like cut themselves slack and try something easy they it is seven care seven bulbous characters marching around cresting a hill changing perspective every single second it is so crazy the uh just the you know the level of detail and very human looking i mean it's no white and the prince very human looking totally different from the queen and the dwarves like

so many different things and that sequence of her that kind of like psychedelic sequence is is different from the rest of the film it's like its own a bizarre little sequence that the nest inside it perfectly i mean i have to say a lot of these classic disney movies when they there was a run like five or six years ago where they were putting them all on netflix and i went back and watched a lot because i feel like every house growing up bought some of the like coming out of the dis vault tapes. But I remember having like Pinocchio and I mean all the nineties ones, certainly, but like,

I don't think we had a ton of the classic ones, but I knew I caught them like here and there at like friends houses or the Disney channel or like after school stuff. Right. And I was just amazed at how much I had just forgotten about like, Oh, this movie is only 70 minutes long like oh this what is this sequence like that sort of thing yeah he's a kid i watched it's weird though because i'm talking about how scared i was of the ride but as a kid i don't recall being that scared of the movie i think i just thought it was cool i was scared at the end

with the with the rain for sure that last sequence is was very scary to me but like for whatever reason i just thought the movie was cool and i thought the ride was the scariest thing ever sure i'm gonna do a similar voice to what i've been doing but my favorite part of the film still cherished to me today is when she's singing into the wishing well and the wishing well is singing everything back to her and then the last word is today and but her reflection doesn't sing it back it's suddenly the prince is there and he sings that bizarre that people this was the accepted style of male singing in that era the the dwarves kind of sing like that too even though then they talk and they're kind of like they're weird old they're weird elfy guys but they all sing this is very warbly voice that everyone had yeah i love it i want to go back to it if this was if

you turn on new it's the instrumentation of you know skrillex dj khaled sort of music but everyone agrees that now men sing with a heavy baritone again the uh uh i thought you were going to say something about another thing that you love that starts with today which is oh yeah that's yes yes yes the the um the geppetto song uh from this christmas special which we talked about in an episode where avery schreiber is crafting a puppet of himself but that's a similar different different uh male baritone today but i guess i always like that i just love crazy old man yells so much and uh there's a lot of those to talk about in the area of snow white uh yeah uh the i was reading

so yeah so the the disneyland version apparently was originally very scary then the disney world version way scarier and they cite a lot of these articles cites claude coats claude coats as being mentor tony baxter's mentor um and his first collaborator i think he worked tony has something to do with this like it's one of his first projects to work with Claude, is the Disney World Snow White. I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but there's some interview where he was saying, I'm 22 years old, and I personally am supervising

all the big props that will be in the Snow White attraction with the guy who did the the movies yeah right crazy claude coates painted those backgrounds and then he's painting he's painting them himself in florida right on that right like that's that's what's crazy to me the continuity that it's literally the same hands right hand drawing those backgrounds and then 40 years later hand drawing them in a physical place in florida and claude famously i think has a has a another uh an argument not an oh whatever a debate with another guy that's like this as well who works on all the movies and then just designs a bunch of stuff for the theme park mark davis which they famously i think are fought about

haunted mansion or i don't know if there was really fighting. But Mark Davis wanted the fun ghost party, and Claude Coates wanted something really creepy. And Claude lost, basically. He got a little creepy at the start, but then it ends up in a Mark Davis fun character ghost party. But is that why, if this is Claude Coates going full tilt? That's what people say, is that Claude finally got to do something that was as scary as he wanted. Oh.

On this version of the ride specifically. Huh. So, like, he finally got to scare the shit out of kids like he always wanted to. Wow. Wow. I just want to scare kids and they won't let me. Yeah. Mark Davis.

Permanently scar children i don't know that he hated whimsy but i mean mark davis's whimsy won out over his uh nightmare he just wanted an area without any whimsy and he got it and you're totally right that you it is like we'll post a video of what this was like pre the the remake in 1994 what was originally in disney world and i don't know if it's a it's if it's a result of the way it's shot whoever's home video this was and the fact that the audio is probably not that great so things are overlapping and echoing but it is just a terrifying wall of sound from front to back that's just constant witch cackling screaming moaning wind whistling it it is awful it's it's insanely good sound design but well i could i can absolutely see

why this would have freaked you out as a little kid and is there no music something i read mentioned the original version original version doesn't seem like no music is crazy. That's the case with a lot of these things, though, too. Yeah, but I can't really remember the music for Mr. Toad. I remember all the songs from Snow White. You mean, yeah, in the movie? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. There is a Mark Davis book out?

For sure there's a Mark Davis book out out somewhere mark davis walt disney's renaissance man i forget when it came out it's supposed to be very good but whimsical so i don't know trash it if you're holding out for terror claude would want you to burn it yeah um yeah but i don't know i i think i i found it you know yeah it's a joke that we're gonna start the scary month with snow white scary adventures but joke that we're going to start the scary month with Snow White's Scary Adventures. But watching that, watching the ride through that thing. And yeah, what are the specific components that make it scarier than what was at Disneyland

at the time? I guess it's more witch appearances. Yes. I have a number. There's a 10 second sequence in which she jumps out at you twice or maybe even less. Yeah. sequence in which she jumps out at you twice or maybe even less yeah and it's kind of more um it's a little more caustic jump out violent than in in the disney ride especially the disney land ride especially now you round a corner you see her back she turns around or something

but this has you she is not in sight at all and she kind of slams out of you uh in a weird rickety boat and stuff like that yeah there were seven wicked witch figures on the original florida ride that's crazy which is a lot for like a no slides zero snow white ride with seven figures of the witch of the villain of a heart you may she may as well have just been in the car with you like she's just that's it's her ride it should have been called the witch's adventure like snow white's villains the witch's quest the witch's quest to see what i feel in my head every day and it's so bombarding you with so many witches that there's net like now you know there there's a rhythm to a lot of the haunts now

where it's like scare relax a little forget about the scare scare again relax a little you know they kind of pace it a little yeah this is a barrage from the very beginning and then here's a component i didn't know about that after a lot of chaos then you arrive back in a cottage i guess the dwarfs cottage and well maybe this will be a respite but in fact all of their all of the animals and all of their doodads and toys and pots and their you know their their organ with the faces and everything. All of these faces are open and aghast and staring at you. That is a stoned nightmare. Imagine if you hallucinated that everything around you was staring open-mouthed in horror of whatever is happening to you.

The home goods and genuinely animals in the window just look that's horrifying so and then you're just out of the cottage and back into the into the swamp again yeah it's so quick there's no fun to be had it's it's crazy it's crazy it's so crazy that they allowed this ride to happen like this that there wouldn't be any fun yeah and very little i rereading the summary of the plot of this movie i'm like oh the prince is very useless in this like they dance and then he kisses her to wake her up and that's his two appearances and i the huntsman has a very brief appearance of course uh longer appearances yeah he chickens out he doesn't stab snow white and take her heart.

That guy can't get his job done, let's be honest. But in the ride, he does. You watch it happen. He rips her chest open. He stops you. He says, where are you going? You're not going anywhere yet. Claude Coates wanted an actor always on the ride

to reach toward your heart in the last scene. Your heart, please please that was a crazy thing i read about and and this to me seems wild that people did this like it reminded me of the thing about how like the great train robbery or whatever that was where the train would be coming at the screen a movie where a train was they were like a train was gonna shoot into the theater that there's anecdotes of people reaching out to grab the poison apple at disneyland so they made it behind a mirror so there's a like a holographic basically apple yeah it's like a projection wait i don't think that's like the the great train rob i think that's people wanting to steal the apple i guess so but like how often

did that happen maybe a lot i think a lot of you're saying it's bullshit i'm saying it's yeah i disagree i think prop is handed to you essentially you maybe reach out and take it and you go wow i stole the apple yeah i don't think that's people not understanding what's happening to them in the medium well he's saying no he's saying that he thinks the story is overblown he's not saying it's actually like he doesn't think that it's fake i'm saying the anecdotes about well's not saying it's actually like, he doesn't think that it's fake. I'm saying the anecdotes about both of these. Well, he's saying it's fake, but he's not saying that people are confused that it's a real apple.

Jason thinks that people thought that she was like a cafeteria lady handing them food and that they would take the apple and say thank you and then try to take a bite and then their teeth would all break off. Jason, did you ever reach for the apple as a child?

No, because I didn't think. Again, I don't remember paying this ride too much mind. If she offered you an ice cream, would you have reached for it? Well, I don't. It may have tricked me. Butter pecan, dear. Oh, I love butter pecan. I know you do.

It could have also been in the early days, maybe they were doing that because their brains are just trained from riding carousels where you reach out to grab the brass ring so you get to ride the carousel again. People in early days just wanted to reach. Their reaching arms got tingling.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. The term grab the brass ring. I know that term. That comes from in the old days of carousels, there used to be a brass ring hanging out and you would try to grab it and if you won it, you got to ride the carousel. So only one person would be able to win it? I'm sure different carousels had different rules and bylaws.

But that was the prize? You just got to do it again i think so remember carousels were like amazing to people back yeah these were people startled by trains constrained by the british and italian governments from what they could do everyone was so repressed it's just enjoyment of things would come out in weird ways, like a brass ring or a psychedelic sequence in the middle of a Snow White retelling. That's why all English people and Italians still want to have sex with brass rings. Their brains are all scrambled.

We're talking a lot about the different versions of this, right? And it's very confusing because they're pretty close, even though's so there's a video confused myself absolutely there's a video though i'm going to tell and we'll we'll link to it and now it's this is also confusing because there's so many different things theme park related yeah i know this is called yesterworld yes and it's a great 15 minute video sort of detailing the changes to these rides and like which version was which and very highly recommended i got a lot of information from it um but there needs to be some variations in the names for these different theme parks because there's yesterworld there's a yesterland there's defunct

land and as if if you weren't confused enough in the yesterworld video defununctland, Kevin Perger, suddenly appears in the video. Hey, it's me from Defunctland here, just interrupting Yesterworld. What's going on? We need some variation in the names. Or are we wrong? Should our thing be called Yester Disney Day? Is our podcast title too creative to funk yester kingdom we're going to change it to from pocket we're well from oh yeah let's buy that right now yester kingdom

podcast yeah uh jason the yester kingdom podcast featuring jason sheridan co-hosted by scott garner uh with the input of mike carlson yeah that's good now we have a proper theme park uh titling system um but anyway that is a very good video though very good yeah it spells out a lot of stuff that i didn't know and how all the different for it's a weird they all all these attractions opened yeah all right so one in the 50s one in the 70s uh the one in the 80s in japan one of the 90s in france but they were but the disney one the the disneyland one was redone in 83 the disney world one was redone in 94 and each time they kind of changed to become more central and similar to each other. To the point where I think probably by Paris they had perfected the ideal what this ride should be.

And the big thing that they did in Paris that none of the other ones had was an ending. They actually made the space for instead of, okay, if you go on the one here in Anaheeim and disneyland it's a bunch of horror the witch gets struck by lightning and through shadows is her demise is implied and then you round a corner and just see kind of a flat sign that says they lived happily ever after it's very abrupt i kind of like it i almost don't want them to change it but by the time they opened the paris one they actually created a little room where the dwarves are waving goodbye to snow white and the prince and dopey's sitting on top of a bridge and wiggling his ears and so they actually got to the by the by finally by the 90s they knew we need to

do a concerted ending room well the one you're describing where it was just which is the the thing on the wall the writing on the wall is even better than the original disney world version which doesn't have anything like that the witch is about to drop a giant um diamond or a giant jewel on you and then you just leave you're out of there yeah it's like mr toad where you just end up in hell and then it's like thanks for riding well there's no thanks it's just you're outside like she kills you even though though it's obviously very bizarre that you end up in hell at the end of that ride, it does, you're in that room for long enough that it feels like an odd, twisted ending. And you've been like, all right, I see the end of the story.

But to just, you're getting a diamond pushed at you, and then you're outside. There's no transition out all the light just hits you it's so strange and i guess well i guess mr toad implies that you were yeah you're dead because you're in hell but the it's even like worse in snow white because you were dead and there's no indication of what happens to you yeah it's bizarre the newer version correct me if i'm wrong but there's the the implication that a lot of the horrifying the terrifying stuff could be a dream is that right did anyone come across that yeah you mean like like the stuff in the the forest and stuff

because you see now that snow white is in some of these attractions uh she's walking up the stairs to go to bed and that's an implication that we are seeing her dreams and that's oh right i see yeah interesting but that's so slight you have to read an article for that to even occur to you the other thing that i'd like to take umbrage with is a giant diamond yeah that's wild in the anaheim one it's a big boulder which is the movie makes sense absolutely but a giant diamond and once again if the dwarves are working in a mine that has diamonds that are bigger than they are then why are they still working they should have found that cashed out you would think it never worked again a day in their lives this is this also suggests that like they're inside the mind somehow like like this is

a different surreal ending to the ride that's different from the movie which is in the mind but how'd she get in the in the mind right we don't know so it's actually kind of interesting it's an alternate ending to the movie uh an alternate ending to the story but it's it's bizarre and yes we've never seen something that big it's a it's yeah it's a rare disney fairy tale that ends with the protagonist being crushed by a giant diamond you know a scene that is not in the film and then you don't live happily ever after i mean it's but you you're dead it's like kind of an inglorious bastards rewriting of history where his hillar dies and inglorious bastards of course he did not die like that in real life

in this version we know how the evil queen meets run in the ride from the 70s in disney world she lives she kills you with a giant diamond she lives she goes on i think yeah that's it that's the alternate history of snow white she probably tracks down that huntsman has him rip out the hearts of every dwarf one by one makes them all watch as each other are slaughtered uh-huh and that's what that's i know i'm making that up but that is in the spirit of what this disney world attraction's in the spirit of the original fairy tales, for sure. They're always ripping people up and killing people. Every original fairy tale is about rape and the eating of hearts.

Everything in a Disney movie is based on, they had to censor the most horrifying things anyone's ever written or read. Man, if you could go back and see Claude Coates' original, what is his blue sky version of this thing it has to be what 10 times weirder and creepier than this yeah like everyone always says blue skies like everyone gets to put their wildest like ideas so like he had a whole nother narrative like scene like specific scenes where each dwarf is tortured like you go in a room he didn't want Dumbo to be built. He was wanting to annex

all of that territory to have the room to do individual deaths for each. Yeah. He's depriving Sleepy of sleep. It's like the clockwork orange. His eyes are taped open. There's like a drip drip on his head like a water torture. Doc escapes but then a survivor's

guilt that he just lives with for the rest of his days. I can never mine again. Dopey has to like take a test or something and he can't do it because he doesn't understand things. Well that's just your nightmare. Oh I hate tests. I can't take tests. It's too much pressure. I had to take the ACTs twice.

I did okay though the second time not the first time talk about horror yeah oh sure um yeah so there's there's certainly a much more nightmarish version it would be i'm sure claude coates will get his blueprints and get to the bottom of this and we'll see all the various ways this sicko wanted to torture the dwarves you guys i wonder if tim burton used any of the sick and twisted stuff for that live action dumbo that's coming out oh yeah i that wouldn't make sense because this is all snow white stuff but maybe you know you gotta look for inspiration you know where you find it if you can get in those disney archives you're going through a lot of stuff i think yeah i think tim burton's dumbo

is going to be an incredibly challenging film we're going to be as freaked out as the italians in 1938 we couldn't process horror count on it um i learned something this is a quick side note i didn't realize this maybe you guys know this and i'm just stupid for not realizing it that when they were doing disney where they were going to build disney world they were going to basically clone like the ride systems for snow white mr toad and peter pan but they were not going to be those movies whoa they were going to be sleeping beauty sword in the stone and mary poppins wow but they were going to be the same ride system was that going to be tony baxter's mary poppins ride that got him the gig i don't believe so because i think it was just going to be a peter pan ride system and maybe i don't know

if the same track and the stuff but then roy o disney said no they got to be the same we're not changing what the carrot what the movies are so i mean that would have cost a lot more money to make brand new rides but that would have brand new i'm saying like peter pan's would have been mary poppins i know no not brand new ride systems but it would have been more money yeah for sure more money but it wouldn't have been like yeah as much of developing but none of them really are clones like those fantasyland dark rides are not exactly the same from park to park maybe by the time you get to uh tokyo and paris they're they're more carbon copied but as we're like all of these snow white ones are slightly different from each other right you have no choice but to go

see all of them on this earth if you want to be a completist that's what you have to do yeah i mean that would have led to a fascinating like two very different fantasy lands between orlando and anaheim if they had totally awesome yeah that would have been great if they'd set that precedent that they would change it every time it's sort of smart though because i don't know if this is why he did it but like the famous story is that there was not going to be a pirates in florida they were like well you have a pirates in california and then too many people complained and then they scrapped like a cool new ride for pirates and they just threw pirates into florida

so it's almost like anticipate i mean i don't know if that's why roy said it's probably a cost thing he was the money man so that's probably why they didn't do something different but also they kind of i feel like the dark rides are like the primary movies maybe that was the feeling too we gotta do snow white sleep in beauty that is a primary that's not represented in any significant way. Well, I guess the fantastic, the dragon. The castle walkthrough. He and me can make an argument. But no ride.

And this was going to be, that was going to be the scary one. That was, yes, going to be the Snow White one, too. So then there was like versions of it that they had drawn up. And then they decided to go back to do this. Yeah. So that was going to be scary. And you'd obviously, Maleficent would appear, appear you know a hundred times on it or something would have been screaming about maleficent instead of the witch imagine that i thought it was interesting thinking about like

when when the disneyland one first opened opening day of disneyland the movie was 18 years old at that point right yeah yeah only 18 years yeah but but i was because you know when they opened the little mermaid ride in california adventure and what would that have been like 2000 and 11 first 10 uh 11 yeah 11 it's 11 i think um check uh uh the movie was over 20 years old at that point and then similarly here but like at the time i was like oh yeah i guess you can i mean that one but little mermaid is so beloved i'm wondering if like that did that make more sense for disney to like yeah of course we will use the little mermaid ride here did that make more i guess they had less movies when they opened disneyland so i mean it's just big gaps

it's interesting to think about like oh yeah that movie has been gone for years whereas like guardians of galaxy opened the summer guardians of the galaxy 2 was in theaters i mean i assume it's just that they were like in a similar way to being like well 20 years later we know this one was a like classic that people still like today i'm assuming what that's the same thing with little mermaid where it was like oh yeah this seems to be still resonating very hard do we think i think maybe mr toad potentially was a more odd choice that was a more recent choice film that probably correct me if i'm wrong i feel like people know mr toad because of the ride

yeah way more than because i don't even know it's from the it's it's from like an anthology called adventures of ikapod and mr toad yeah because it's paired with it is the legend of sleepy hollow which that concept or someone posted that concept art online recently that was going around and um i think it's mary blair did concept art whatever it is it's beautiful but terrifying sure and that always scared me as a kid i was i was scared of that i was scared of the headless horseman sure oh i didn't like the headless horseman he gets him at the end yeah sure he's not right really right he doesn't get away there's just a new school teacher at the end am i imagining that the disney version yeah i'm trying to remember now i haven't seen it in a while ending it's more heart rips the he rips out ichabod's heart in the tim burton sleepy hollow

detective ichabod craig goes back to new york with his new bride and a ward he just kind of adopted. Is it Johnny Depp and Helena Bottom Carter? Johnny Depp and Christina Ricci. Oh, yeah. Oh, Christina Ricci. Interesting. But what will happen in the Will Ferrell Sleepy Hollow when they get around to making the comedy versions of John C. Reilly as the Headless Horseman? Yeah.

I get it. that actually sounds fun what we know will happen is we'll all be laughing we'll all be laughing our way to the multiplex um are we at the are we at the plus it up point um i don't remember how this works anymore we've been doing we haven't done this forever city City walks. How did these episodes go? What is my name? Do we get a stone for this stone? It's the big jewels. No stones? What's the Snow White Stone?

There's no narrative. There's no overarching narrative for this. Thank God. We just talk about a ride and we say what we like about it. And we just have to determine when we move on. Nobody is coughing to tell us. How do we go back? I think what we used to do is we would talk about should the ride stay as is?

Should it be plussed up or should it be burned to the ground for insurance money? Do you have any thoughts? I do, sure. So, yeah. I mean, plus it up like we usually say. The problem, of course, is space with this stuff. Amazing they found some in 83. Right. They found some in 83. Right.

They found some in 83 and they made it bigger. I can't imagine it being shorter, a lot of these rides, especially. And I do think the intimacy of the ride is something cool. I think the Frozen ride in Epcot benefits from the fact that they had to force it into this smaller space

because you kind of get closer to the robots and it's cooler. And there's a definitely a feel like as opposed to Little Mermaid where I feel like it's too big. There's too much room in Little Mermaid for some reason for me. Some of those corridors are pretty tight. I mean like not that there's a little room obviously,

but like I don't know. It's something about it. The sea is too big. But it's the grandeur of that sequence in the film. Then maybe there's a different problem I'm not identifying. It's got a bonkers ending though that just skips the last like 20 minutes of the movie

yeah I know I'm just saying that there's something about the Fantasyland rides that put everything closer to you that makes it more interesting it makes it feel special or better to me but the thing I don't love about the Fantasyland rides and this is just because

these tracks are so old is that like the cars all just run at a very similar pace the whole time. And it just feels like you're getting it done with. It doesn't feel like the car itself has any character to it. It doesn't feel like it would be nice if you stopped and started in places it would be nice if there were moments like i'm trying to think um like you know indiana jones or something just the car vehicle changing up its speed and changing where it's pointing or something i feel like would go a long way in making the rides feel a little bit more memorable other than just kind of going like all right zip through this thing all right you saw all of it all right you're gone like sure like it's not necessarily the amount of time you spend i

feel like it's the way you're sent through everything that sometimes feels, you're gone. Sure. It's not necessarily the amount of time you spend. I feel like it's the way you're sent through everything that sometimes feels like you're not getting a full experience on it. I don't know if this is even possible because these are very short tracks and they want to get people in and out because of the ride capacity. But if your car zipped into the house, the Snow White House, and it spent 20 seconds sitting there watching the little show when they're playing or something maybe 20 seconds is too long due to the capacity no i know it's i'm talking about things that would ruin the park and there's no room there i'm just saying i'm trying

to identify why sometimes i feel like these don't give you the feeling of a ride and i don't think it's the length of time i think it's the very i think it really feels like you're just kind of zipping through it in a like a very standard like speed i i don't disagree with you but i also think that is what these are i know they are just like single speed you know really like a minimal not uh not super flowery attractions and it's it is what it is they have an old-timey charm to them and i think we might betray what they are to get crazy what they are though but i know what you're saying it is it's too dramatic of a word but i like what they are and uh i guess all i'm saying is like thinking of the other rides that are similar to this. Why don't I want to go on these more often? Like I want her an adult,

but that's beside. Why do we want to go on any of this crap? Well, like that's beside the point. I'm just saying that there's, there's probably things you could do and may. And again, it may be impossible,

but I'm blue skying here. You know, that's what we're doing. I'm just saying maybe that's... There's no bad ideas in blue-skying. Like if the witch slows your car down or something, and you have to literally deal with her as opposed to driving by her.

Like, I love the moment in the Transformers ride when Optimus Prime, at the end of the ride, he leans down and he tells you, you did a good job. I love that. I think that's great. I want more of that. You want the huntsman to lean down and tell you you did a good job i love that i think that's great you want more of that lean down and tell you you did a good job uh-huh and i yes i want i want an intimate moment

with each seven dwarf i want each of them to shake my hand in a way is this like your need for mommy approval you like want the characters to tell you you're good uh yeah maybe i mean i think that it would be nice if some of the characters told me I was good. At least a few of them. It would feel good. It sounds like you had a very strong bond with these characters when you were young. I did, for sure, yes. The Seven Dwarves, for sure.

I was obsessed with the Seven Dwarves. I may have felt that more with Aladdin and the carpet. I felt that with Aladdin, too. I had all those toys. I wanted to hang out with Aladdin and the carpet. You wanted to be friends With the carpet Yeah the carpet The real scamp

The carpet and The monkey Why can't I remember The monkey's name Abu Abu Yeah Abu

Not Apu Excuse me Yeah I want to be friends With all of them You want to list the characters That I like Oh yeah To be friends with

Let's hit it Lumiere Cogsworth Flounder Sebastian The dog from Oliver and Company Dodger from Oliver cogsworth flounder sebastian uh the dog from oliver and company dodger from oliver and company cogsworth well i love the dogs and hollering yeah cogsworth and i feel like would get along just fine uh yeah i could see you'd end up you under his influence

you'd end up growing a mustache that looks like two little handles of a clock yes even once i've turned back into a human yeah a little thin part and then you turn it into you have to shape it into an arrow each morning look good on you so i think all to sum up what my plus up is look for moments of intimacy on these rides that's what i'm looking for and i'm not not intimacy in a sexual way intimacy in a in a way where you come off feeling like you had a a more of a connection with the characters or the situation as opposed to just zipping by all of them good job mike from me doc you have to give a card at the start of the ride obviously that should be in every ride it's your passport to get to bavaria or wherever snow white is set but the thing is so fast he has to rip through four names

like pretty good thank you jason i'm proud of you mike do you want to meet my friend shrek and his friend donkey i know dodger he's not here but i have his number yeah he knows everyone yeah we talk sometimes that's what the magic texting makes it easier they were promising with the magic band that's the type of thing that would happen in florida but they really didn't make good on that the closest was the was that poster in the rock and roller coaster queue that was like future r&b singing sensation michael and it was just a written thing but it wasn't like they were they were talking about magic bands being like a character would be able to come up to you and be like hey there michael i heard you stayed at port

orleans in room 305 i'm proud of you how was your meal at Salsagula Floatworks? Sorry, your flight had a delay in Tallahassee. I noticed that your smartphone is running out of space. Your app, your Disney app. Now the dog is now distracting me. Why haven't you upgraded to iOS 12 yet, Michael? your app your disney app another dog is now distracting me in front of this bit anyway want me to delete unwanted files for you

good decision i'm proud of you as long as they say they're proud of me that's all i care about uh hey all right so tell mike you're proud of him. Look, I do his voice when no one's around. And what does he say? Well, he says, hey, he kind of sounds like this. Oh, I want to go outside. That's my dog voice. That sounds like a sick Mickey Mouse. Yeah, he's a little anxious.

And he's grumbling right now. And he doesn't like it. He's worried right now. He's worried I'm going to do that voice again. Yeah. Don't love me anymore. the children of the world today that's all i do one voice every every deep male bell what's funny is that the 1983 version when they yelled it the guy seemed like he was 20 years old he's kind of hanging off the side of a castle with the sword and barely got it out

he's coughing um all right plus it up what do you guys think i have a i have a genuine answer which is i think it's time to uh i think it's time to bring seven dwarfs mine train to disneyland oh really how interesting would it be to i don't think people i think people like this i think people like snow white scary adventures i think no one has allegiance to it enough to where if it was replaced by something i don't think people would be upset and i like what they did in florida i like that this this the florida ride seemingly embattled too scary for its first several decades they redid it in 1994 and people thought that that kind of cut the balls off of it it wasn't scary enough so they

ended up getting rid of it entirely in 2012 thinking that well now we will represent snow white via seven dwarfs mine train i haven't been on seven dwarfs mine train it seems like an awesome ride and i the area of disneyland i'm the most interested in in terms of expansion at this point is i mean toontown but everything up there the fantasyland theater the former videopolis i feel like that's all prime spot for something and you've heard rumors that frozen happens there i think it'd be cool if it seems like a really smooth transition to go from either frontier land or or star wars galaxy's edge however works to go from that to the to the rocks of the snow white coaster and that that kind of transitions you maybe this frozen up there too and that transitions

you into whatever's left of toontown i think they could get rid of gadgets go coaster and do uh um bring this ride there and then maybe that opens up the possibility of doing a new uh 50s style dark ride perhaps for a more recent property i think i think it actually would be interesting to see like let's do a little frozen ride or let's do rapunzel or let's do a little frozen ride or let's do Rapunzel or let's do, or one of these sword in the stone or, or sleeping beauty. Or I, I think the,

I feel like Walt might've wanted more change over of these rides. I agree with that. Kind of rinky dink enough that you could update them and change them out. That'd be my, I just think, I think that would all be interesting. Doesn't have to happen, but I,

that seems like a cool Disneyland move of move of the future well how about this you take out the storybook boats you take out casey jr no and you put the whole coaster back there i don't know if it's big enough you're a huntsman and we'll eventually do the coaster um and you guys neither of you guys have been on it right the snow white i wrote? I wrote it. Oh, you wrote it. Okay. I don't want to review that, but I do find the ending of that lacking. I feel like we need a good ending for it, but that's another show. Sure. But okay, fine.

You put that back there with get rid of Casey Jr., burn it to the ground for insurance money. How dare you? And the storybook boats. And then how about this we combine toad and snow white into one ride somehow i knew it doesn't have to be those properties one big toad but those are fine one big toad those are separate sides of the castle oh wait i'm confused then no wait pinocchio i want to have you saying take out Pinocchio's during Journey. Oh, so you want to keep Pinocchio as... Yeah, yes.

Oh. My favorite. Now the Allegiance has come out. Yeah, actually, I was curious about this in general. Favorite of the Fantasyland Dark Arts. I mean, it has to be Peter Pan. Okay. Toad.

I'm Pinocchio now. We'll do a full Toad, obviously, but Toad, as much as I love it, I love the concept, you can't deny that it's a lot of flats. There's a lot of flats. There's no robots on it. But he's a real scamp. But you get all those devils hopping around. I don't care about the flats issue.

I don't know. I feel like we need some robots on it. I think the flats have a lot of personality, and I think the train hitting you gag is very clever. The devil's fun. I agree. I'm just saying that Peter Pan has to beat it, I it i think unfortunately for me i don't think it does because for me because that is not it is it is not worth the wait it is always that is out of control the

line has nothing going on i think i somehow take some of the line if they could kick out a store or something get a little more space do something a little more interesting with that line uh but i i think what i like i think i like snow white and pinocchio because you can just essentially walk right on them always and are they that is peter pan that much better than the other kind of ride i kind of believe peter pan is that much better yeah i think it's a whole letter grade above those rides once since the upgrade yes they have written it once because the line is just always so bad unless you go first thing in the morning yeah no i i i hear you i we don't go on it a lot either it's just it's the reason is it's the best one it's yeah that's

unfortunately the reason is that it's the best one and everyone knows it Toad's weirder Toad's weirder I think a lot of people would vote Toad Over Peter Pan Especially since we lost to Toad Let's look at the app right now Let's see what the line is We're looking at the app

Right now I'm going to page my points Put your phone down it's loading a ton of let's let's put the poll up on twitter uh although now people might have allegiances they're just wanting to spite one of us but i guarantee if you did if you polled 100 people it would be close peter pan and i'd love to say toad i would love to say it it would make me happy like you would i absolutely would tote is the more obscure choice i'd love to say toad i would love to say it it would make me happy like you would i absolutely would toad is a more obscure choice i'd love to be like cool and hip and pick the cool

underground ride next to the mainstream ride toad is liking like liking brian eno or something saying brian eno is your favorite artist or something it's not saying it's exactly like that and mr toad produced a lot of great stuff too he wasn't just a performer well look right now peter pan is 50 minutes and toad is 20 minutes i told you to put the phone down i know the number you michael we said no phones during podcast time but it was in the we are not proud of you right now um i said put the phone away all right uh so i'll give mine yeah uh i'll give my silly this guy gave a serious answer i'll give a silly nonsense answer okay um so one thing we didn't talk about is how when they changed uh this ride in disneyland the the ride vehicles used to be

shaped like mine carts and now they're shaped like beds and each bed has yeah the dwarves name on it i think you know the first lie down dark ride i think we go further i think we think about watching these movies with our families on family movie night all cozied up on the couch with lots of blankets i think you really get pampered i think they really should pamper you like you're getting into a bed i i want are they beds they're beds no that's the right that's a question is is what are these i saw an article last yeah are they really beds i don't know they're sort of beddish they kind of look like where you look that's true okay but am i in reality i'll say my my real answer is i like the little i know the i know the budget got scaled back but like the last time for the 60th anniversary that kind of gave a

fresh coat of paint upgraded some effects on all these rides i think that is the way you keep them going uh i think just every few years you you get some you know you certainly keep a lot of the animatronics or a lot of the figures but you you plus it up a little with rear projection or new sound cues or new whatever uh i mean because i don't know i think people just like the fantasy land rides kind of as they are there's a reason people are waiting 20 minutes even just 20 minutes 50 minutes to see these things sure how about also at the end of the ride we meet the mysterious man who takes the jewels into town and sells them for the seven i mean i would love to learn more about the economic uh is that have they

oh no well that's i was gonna say did they relinquish that to live action but they haven't done a live action no they haven't have they so when the rock plays the huntsman well there was a snow white that was another studio yeah but the huntsman can't be this star and we get the live action of Disney's Snow White. Well, let's just, you know. Let's get a more interesting. I don't know. Steve Buscemi or somebody is the man who just cheats the dwarfs out of all of their money. Hayley Steinfeld is the.

Snow White? Yeah, she's Snow White. And how about Grumpy? No, no, Doc is played by The Rock. That would be very funny. That's like Infinity War where what's-his-face is the real big. The guy from Game of Thrones. Oh, Peter Dinklage is the giant.

Yeah, Peter Dinklage is a giant. Yeah. Oh. That's good stuff, you know. All right. Yeah. Neat opposites and dealing with finances and finding out why the dwarves are getting screwed. Yeah.

Well, part of the film is just looking at spreadsheets. They'll just put spreadsheets up on the screen. We can scan it and go, oh, yeah. Oh, no, that's bad. Or they'll put the screens on the ride like they did on Spaceship Earth. And you'll be able to look at the spreadsheets while the ride's happening. Oh, that would be great. I mean, the more we talk about this the more i realize the dwarves are probably wealthy enough that they could get the huntsman to turn on the queen and overthrow her yeah and they could rule yeah wouldn't that be a good sequel yeah the

dwarves ruling the kingdom is ruling the king and see how power corrupts and money corrupts them yeah yeah soon enough they're all cooking up poison apples too and trying to off their enemies anyone in power would be working with poison and that's when print the prince of snow white returned from their kingdom to kick some ass i dedicate this beheading to the children of the world. This ass whooping to the children of the world. Alright, these are all great

ideas. Folks, you survived Hauntcast The Fright, the first edition of Hauntcast The Fright and we'll be talking about other scary rides throughout the month could they possibly get scarier than this i don't know of a scenario where a ride would be scarier i do not know uh if you want to if you want to follow the activities of haunt cast the

fright go to podcast the ride twitter we're not changing them right that would be yeah no that would be utterly confusing we can change the display name people that's fun yeah people do that for october i like that that's a lot of fun yes um but nothing yeah we're not going to set up a new email address or anything email us at podcast the ride at gmail um and i you know what i have a thing to plug right now beyond the typical show stuff. I really want to encourage people to check out a themed experience that I watched earlier this week. You know, we reviewed Mission Impossible 4DX in an episode of the show. And I got to experience something that makes Mission Impossible in 4DX seem like a puddle of piss uh this thing blows

it out of the water uh um and if it's it's on youtube and it's a it's a thing called tiny puppets 4dx uh uh this is a i've been a fan and a proponent of this series for a long time it's a portuguese animated show it's just been in 2d for a long time uh called tiny puppets and it's remarkable animation i mean i'm trying to make this like you know uh the way you know people tout miyazaki in america and try to bring it to a new audience uh i'm trying to do that with tiny puppets uh which arturo lima makes and a team of great portuguese animators anyway they are they have moved to a new medium it's now being done uh with with not just in in 3d but in in 4dx and it's an experience where you you actually it is immersive you're brought into the world uh you there is a chair that shakes you around the technology is

so far beyond what that Tom Cruise piece of shit did. And I just really want to encourage people to check it out. It's a lot of fun. Just like storytelling like you're never going to get in dumb American cartoons. The Portuguese are light years ahead. So please check out TinyFuppets40X. I encourage you guys to... Oh, of course. Sounds great. We're BigFuppetsHeads. Oh, really? Oh encourage you guys to oh of course sounds great we're big

heads um oh really you are aware yeah we're aware of it we got some i used to get vhs's oh really yeah yeah yeah yeah wow well i'm i'm very impressed by that because i feel like they i feel like people don't it's like you know or mr toad it's something the same thing you know know about in america and i'm trying to get the word there's also a lot of confusion about is it's that it's a little similar to muppet babies which to me is that's a bunch of babies but i never really saw it i never really saw the connection yeah no okay i'm so glad you're you guys you're people of taste you know what i'm yeah uh your actual connoisseurs of animations you understand the differences so i just want to encourage our entire audience to check out the for my money themed experience of the year

tiny puppets 40x just type that in on on youtube uh or follow tiny puppets on twitter um and so i'm sorry to give you more homework assignments than usual but uh i think you'll have a blast they'll be glad they did i absolutely and hey and the regular stuff follow us for more at last not sectors although really all of theme park world everything's a sector everything's a sector yeah yeah yeah it's a it's a thousands and thousands uh the themeaud world thousands of sectors strong. All right. Well, thanks for listening. We'll catch you with more frights next week.

Spook you later. See you.