Podcast: The Ride - Soarin' Around the World

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

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Forever! Dog! episode about soaring around the world on Podcast The Ride, where hosts and audience alike will soon have the definitive answer to a decades-old theme park mystery, Is Michael Eisner the golfer in Soarin'? I'm Scott Gairdner. This information is in my brain currently. It will soon be released. I'm nervous as I say this. Honestly, I've been coming to the table with this and to be able to share it with you, Mike Carlson, and you, Jason Sheridan. Guys.

Yeah, Mike Carlson here. This was so interesting because you proposed this. Let me ask a question real quick. You proposed doing this episode and I said, I wonder if he knows the answer. And you did know the answer when you proposed this well it was on a short list we were talking about what we do post saga getting back to theme park attractions it was

said do we want to do the second half of Soarin we know the second half of Soarin and I was like yeah maybe yeah I guess so and then I went and thought and I was like yeah I don't know if I want to do it unless I have the answer to this question. Yes.

So I went and I explored. I did some what you might call theme park journalism. Yeah. And I have the answer. And I'm not even going to back down. I'm not going to say I think it's a good lead. I've got it for sure. I did like a double intro.

I feel like, Jason, you didn't get to say anything. How do you feel with this? Knowing that earth shattering information is coming your way. Can I like, Jason, you didn't get to say anything. How do you feel with this, knowing that earth-shattering information is coming your way? Can I answer for Jason? He's scared. He's worried that sort of a glass house, he's built all of his theme park sort of imagination on top of.

I don't know why he's building it on top of a glass house, but that's what he did. It's all going to come crumbling and crashing down. That's what he's worried. He's afraid. Oh, you nailed it. You hit the ball grand slam. You know. Sorry's worried. He's afraid. You nailed it. You hit the ball. Grand slam. You know. Sorry to put you in this position. It's funny because I had a pin

note for a few months because I had stuff to talk about from first Soarin'. Yes. So much. Unrelated. I do too. Yeah. This is the second part of our Soarin' series. We're going to focus on the world versions,

but there's still things from Soarin' Over California, the original iteration of this, the Disney hang gliding flying simulator attraction. And among the many things that were talked about the first time was the debate about whether or not in the golf scene, the Palm Springs scene, if then Disney CEO Michael Eisner made a cameo as a golfer who hits a ball towards the camera.

That is what we're dealing with here. There is going to be a conclusion to this, and I think that that conclusion will come at the end of the episode. Smart. Nice. I think so. We've got to get people on the hook. Pop the numbers. Yes, yes yes indeed to go

out with a grand finale uh much like the fireworks at the end of all of the iterations of this attraction gotta save the fireworks for the end yeah the fireworks of discussing whether a then old and now even older man it appears as a little guy here you squint at in this one part of a ride. But yeah, we're gonna know. We will find out and I hope you guys aren't filled with fear now and we can still proceed and do the regular show. I'll be honest, I was projecting earlier. I'm afraid.

I've built all my dreams on top of a glass house. You put it on, Jason. You were so afraid that you put your fears on top of it. As I often do. With your glass menagerie inside. It's all just going to be a pile of broken glass. It will be a pile of broken glass that I will step in and roll on. It'll get in my skin, and I will bleed after this episode. That's what I'm worried about. You know what, though? I listened to the first episode back, and the one thing

we need to make sure we put a pin in is doing an episode on Michael Eisner's novel or autobiography, Camp. Yesography camp yes yeah well there's multiple books to go into but yeah some of what came as the supposed proof of whether or not michael eisner made a cameo in this ride yeah was that he went on larry king uh promoting his book camp which was about his days as a boy as lil eisner which i believe is available in the libby app from the la library as an audio book but it's but it's abridged it is a bridge that's what you said on the other episode and that's still haunted that's why i haven't like committed to listening you're really gonna use the word haunts how haunted are you his glass house is haunted i because i i mostly i've been doing more audiobooks in the last few years but i mostly like the

unabridged version of course you need to get the raw details with the raw details young michael at camp but he does read his own audiobook so like hello i'm kind of want that. Hello, I'm Michael Eisner, the man who's about to take your virginity. His raw, youthful, sexual tales. unabridged. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. That's not abridged. Abridged is probably sanitized. Totally unabridged. Yes, that's just about. Unreaded is the more common term, but yeah,

unabridged books, you know, might leave in some of the, some of the naughty stuff. Abridged is just about him in the canoe and stuff. It's just a couple passages about his canoeing. Fucking in the canoe? In the unabridged.

Okay, yes. There's no fucking in the canoe. It's all clean canoe rides. Clean, safe, nice canoe rides. When it's abridged. Okay. Right. How to use the paddle.

No, I noted that too. All right. Well, it's good that we go back and we revisit these things because things call through fall through the cracks imagine how haunted to use jason's term the listeners would be if we did not do a full thorough examination of michael eisner's book camp um there really there is so much eisner stuff to do i mean i'm always happy when when he uh is part of these episodes and part of these discussions. He's going to be part of this one in a big way, but

let's save that for the end because there's other stuff to get through. So as I said, it's our second episode about the Soarin' franchise. It started in California Adventure. It's now in parks all over the world, and that is kind of our focus today, is the world version. There's a number of

different names for that soaring around the world soaring fantastic flight it's roughly the same ride film but different uh aspects to the the pre-shows and even the even the ride films themselves in some ways but you know this is kind of the rough division that they wanted to start peppering in this you know it's uh the only hit for california adventure really yes when it opens in 2001 and a hit big enough that they want to Wanted to start peppering in this, the only hit for California Adventure, really, when it opens in 2001. And a hit big enough that they want to start putting it in international parks,

but is it weird to be in international parks and you're going over Camarillo? And landing at Disneyland, that's a big thing about the various Soarin' Around the World. It writes that last scene to like, you're going over the place you are. Every one of them gets a custom ending, usually of the theme park you're in, but sometimes not. Not always. Not in the case of Shanghai. high um but that said in sort of the non-strict confines of the soren over california episode

back in september we made it such that you know we just we cut it off after two hours you know we can save that stuff for next time well we're at next time before we move to the world is there stuff that we want to talk about from the original iteration of soren well we didn't this is tough because we didn't get to the ending we didn't even talk really about tinkerbell i don't know if we should just save that for the end of this because it's sort of similar but i don't know some of my thoughts hey if you're if you're hankering to talk tink then let's talk i am hankering yes i think we didn't even discuss how do we feel about

tinkerbell showing up because this is a ride that does not have cartoon characters in it it is human beings obviously there's a little cgi in the first version in the soaring over california which is the hang glider and i assume some other places i forget maybe the maybe the balloons well the golf ball is in this uh this controversial scene that they did not shoot a golf ball at a helicopter camera no that was soaring toward a golf ball yeah yeah yeah um and that's that's one question i don't know whether that proves it is michael eisner or not do we think michael eisner was a good enough a correct shot yeah yeah yes to be that perfect to hit a moving target in the air not even because this isn't even something that regular golfers deal with no is like they're they're thinking

about the hole but for a golfer to have to hit a moving target this is more like skeet shooting that would be awesome i would really want to play golf if you had to hit moving aerial targets yeah there's like a hole like duck hunt yeah yeah a hole in the front of like a helicopter and they would just swoop down and you try to get the hole for the ball in that hole yeah that'd be awesome it sounds insanely hard yeah you're at now you're you don't really have a putting option this is almost this is like golf is yeah hole in one or nothing yeah yeah yeah which is the stakes are high well look i know the creator of slam ball so maybe he would be interested in my new idea here so it was an effortless drop

knowing the creator of slam ball i do look i do not commonly said thing on the show it's something you've said a lot yes and i still don't really know the ins and outs of it i gotta know if that's true no one's but i've said this a couple times on the show no one has asked any further questions i was i was thinking how this has never been explored. It is something that I kind of want to keep moving past. Why would I bring it up now, though? Do you know the full story already, Jason? I know a little bit, and I remember.

Slam ball is trampoline basketball. It's been on Spike TV. Well, that's maybe one reason I've kept moving is that I don't actually know what slam ball is. Now I know. That's not the one with wheelchairs, is it? No, that's maybe one reason I've kept moving is that I don't actually know what Slam Ball is. Now I know. That's not the one with wheelchairs, is it? No, that's a different thing. I believe that it's just called wheelchair basketball.

But isn't there, there was like a documentary about it and it was called something. Murder Ball. Yeah, there it is. That's what I'm picturing. No, I do not know the creator of Murder Ball. Okay, well, I would have stopped you if it was the creator of Murder Ball. Sure. Slam Ball set up outside of Universal Hollywood

many years ago. Oh, yeah, I saw it there. Yeah, I saw it too. That was an accident, like an accident actually, though. I didn't get their like VIP passes

or something to it. You didn't score the VIP Slam Ball passes for outside? I brought this up on the show before, yeah. Mine was also accident. Like, I just walked by

and saw the sets. Do you guys ever stop and think about how lucky you are? Just an accidental pass by slam ball. And that's just a day in your lives in Hollywood. And I was there the day that Gavin Newsom stood by a minion and said that the pandemic was over. Didn't you miss it, though? I didn't see it.

I was down in the lower lot. Hey, Winsome Moosa, that keeps you humble. You know, you aren't lucky all the time. That's true. I was there. What year was that? Oh, 2012, right? Is that right?

No, it was 2021, I think. 2021, okay. Summer 2021. And Optimus was there, too. Optimus was there, yes. I assume that Lucy was standing next to Gavin. Woody Woodpecker, probably. She took her Vitamita Vegeman mask off.

They did the whole routine with the conveyor belt with Gavin. Lucy and Gavin doing the chocolates. Oh, yeah. Putting them in the hat and stuff. Yeah. It was fun. Everything was bad. That was even harder than being the governor.

Just kidding. Actually, California, these times have been extremely trying, even more than a fast-moving chocolate machine. Anyway. But that ends today because COVID ends today. French Laundry is open for everyone now. Next, let's say,

look, next time I find a reason to crowbar and then I know the creator of Slam Ball, let's explore it. But not now. I want to talk about Tinkerbell. No, save it for the camp episode. Tinkerbell. How do we feel about Tinkerbell? I don don't know you know it's it it's at the end if it was in the middle yeah it would take me out of it but we're already at disneyland we're dealing with

magic the fireworks are also seem very fakey in all of them yes not in a way that bothers me but you know it's i think we have reached magical realism by the end of Soren, and I have no objection to Tinkerbell other than her being from my least favorite cinematic world. Sure. I don't... I'm not mad when she shows up.

I like... I believe you. I like Tinkerbell. I'm not mad. I don't get mad every time I see her. But I don't know that it would have been my choice. I think I would have been in the room arguing against this. I understand ending up in Disneyland,

but I don't know why we need a cartoon character in this ride. I don't. Well, maybe a child needs to be part of this conversation no child let's get a child in here what about a man with a mind like a child that's what i'm that's where i'm coming from here uh uh i just feel like there was a way to do it without tinkerbell because it doesn't it's you know what here here if they had done like more of like a wonderful world of disney intro or something if patrick was not there and like it made more thematic sense they're like oh tinkerbell's there she's putting a little bow on the end of this thing i just like she's giant i

guess in this screen too i don't like the scale of it again i don't not like this she's fine i'm not upset by it but it's not my choice and i always feel like it not that it takes me out of it but i feel i'm like it's not really like a i always feel like it not that it takes me out of it but i feel i'm like it's not really like a mismatch or something to me a little bit of a mismatch i don't know it just doesn't feel like the ride to have a cartoon character on am i crazy here in in around the world does she only show up in the american versions oh that's a good question i haven't watched fantastic flight in a while I watched all the endings and now I forget. Oh.

I don't think Tinkerbell appears above Disney Sea. No, I don't think so. Yeah. So I'm just... It's a Magic Kingdom thing. It's a Castle Park thing. Yeah. I don't know.

I feel like I should be coming in with the hot opposite take. You could say you like it to me this is something i have no feelings either way oh okay it's just something that's never bumped me it's brief i don't understand your pitch about you have to remove patrick in order to make this i'm saying if it was like if there was some sort of like framing where it's like oh this is a wonderful world of disney and now we're doing a travel log or something that's sort of the premise of the ride because tinkerbell would be on that show and it's like she's putting a little bow at the end of this ride where you're you're going through the actual tv show or something versus to be through

the tv show this is a pitch off the top of my head i'm just saying a way to maybe make it make some thematic sense to me you think she just kind of seems like an afterthought just showing up at the end a little bit of an afterthought just showing up at the end a little bit of an afterthought but also the way i read the ride when she does the little you know the little magic thing at the end the magic swipe at the end she blesses you she blesses you that almost feels like you're saying oh by the way what we just did was magic but everything up until that point is practical everything up to that point is sort of acting like this is a real thing you're going on here's a pilot we've got this contraption it's everything everything is practical except for

the clouds at the very beginning the golf ball that comes toward you practical hand glider practical in the sense that they're like pretending that it's really it's the real world it's more the real world than it is like we have some we found a little uh a canister of pixie dust and we're sprinkling it on these little seats and you put your your seat belt on and your dirty yellow strap you tug on it and then we sprinkle you with pixie dust and you fly the way it's sort of being like uh portrayed is that this is more of a practical fun trip through the world obviously you're teleporting to some degree, so there's magic involved. Obviously, we don't know what this flying contraption is.

I think more in Fantastic Flight, they go more into what the details of it are. But it just feels like, oh, this was actually just some magic thing Tinkerbell did at the end. It almost is like it comes in out of nowhere to me. And it makes it feel like, well, that kind of invalidates. You think it's a reveal that she made all the flying happen? Yeah, why would she be there? And why does she do it again and we transport back?

Because you're at Disneyland because Tinkerbell lives at Disneyland. She comes up and says hi. Yeah, but it is the park for adults. It is a park for, you're right about that, but that's not where you are in that scene. You're above Disneyland.

You're above a castle. A forever decorated for're above Disneyland. You're above a castle. A forever decorated for Christmas. Well, because you get the most lights that way. I think that's nice. But she doesn't say hello. She does a little, her wand thing, and then we all of a sudden transport back. Uh-huh. And we're back

down. That's her taking away your flying powers. That's her shutting the machines off. Sure. She begins that that's it's practical she begins the power down procedure for the hang gliders so if there was a little hidden thing where she was like pixie dusting the machines before we started then i would be comfortable with it if there was like a little easter egg where like she sort of sprinkled you wanted a wraparound you want less photos of like howard hughes in his

how about this patrick is sort of doing the introduction he has all the same lines that we love and then he goes he's like there's something in his pocket or something he's like quiet down there quiet like there's a little like a hidden tinkerbell he's shoving the pixie into his pocket because the pixie flight attendant is keeping a pixie well maybe she can't breathe she's in the what that happens to her i think of peter pan a couple times right where she's in a pocket i wouldn't know jason help me out here how many times is tinkerbell in a pocket well i do under the camera off top my head she gets caught in the pocket am i crazy she gets caught in stuff sometimes no i think that's right but. So I'm just saying if there was a little bit like they were alluding to her first or the early part, then it would make more sense.

Or I guess if she just waved at us and that was it. And then our machine powered down. Then you would be here saying, why have Tinkerbell in there if she doesn't do the pixie dust? That's what tinkerbell is about i think you'd be finding some problem it's not no matter what never know we'll never know i i never met again i'm not mad i believe you i'm not don't raise your voice to tell us that you're i'm not mad i'm not mad i i i think my objection uh my version of this is in this soaring around the world over the horizon whatever you want to call it sure is a little more like the soaring over the uncanny valley

where it's like wait those animals are doing tricks yes like that polar bear's dropping at the right point uh it's far worse because then they're trying to sell it as realistic yeah as opposed to just cartoon laid on top of uh but you know just to close it out uh i hear you i think it's interesting i also think who fucking cares what do you mean it's ticker ticker bullshit for one second how could this possibly bother you i look i've expressed my feelings about it. I think it sort of invalidates everything we've gotten up until that point in the ride. And I think they could make some tweaks and it would make a little bit more sense why she's there. And then she de-blesses you and sends you back into the real world.

Unblesses you. That's the way I feel. I don't feel she's blessing us. She is like the sun and you are Icarus and you have you your hubris has gotten out of she's sending you back down to earth but at least she's humbling your fault yeah humbles you it's really a mental change yeah she does we want to soar forever and she's like no way get out of here that's my territory I'm sure the moment where patrick and the pre-show captures her in a jar as tinkerbell is constantly being put in jars i'm sure that was cut for like bullshit budget reasons that's possible yes and that would help if they put it back in if they have some money left from these

new haunted mansion renovations they could do that and fix a big problem a big uh it's gotta be from there they have to come in under so they can put in a scene with patrick and a jar i also what is why are we by the way so familiar with patrick we're all saying so patrick and patrick if they're listening to soren we mean patrick warburton the who's in the pre-show they listen to soren too they listen to soren one yeah i know i think people know that it's just an odd choice we've unilaterally made. Patrick, you know Patrick. Yeah.

So anyway, that's, again, not mad. I'm just saying there could be little fixes. Like taking away the little bit of child whimsy in an otherwise kind of adult ride. You want to rip the cartoon fun right out of it. In this instance, yes. And if I was in Imagineering at this point,

I would have handcuffed myself to the desk until they took her out. But... This would have been your chair throwing moment in the office.

Next time I see her, I won't be mad at her. Okay. Yeah. And the, you know, just, hey, I'm going to clear these chairs

before we get out of here today just to make sure one doesn't go flying. If you're still this not mad at the end of the episode. I'll handcuff myself to the chair if something gets said in this episode that I don't like. And you'll have to take it back. That's fine. All right.

We'll shut the lights out on you, lock up the building. That's fine. You're going to have to live with the knowledge that I'm in here while you're sleeping in your beds. I mean, we are going to have to set the security codes, so try not to move around too much. Well, then when the police come, I'll explain what they did to me, officers. What these gentlemen did. What they said. First, they didn't remotely understand why I'm properly not upset about a ferry at the end of a Disney ride.

Yeah, right. Then, here's what i want to uh say before we close out california yeah my biggest block of information that i have to expel from my brain is about a kind of dry scene though a cool scene which is the scene with the aircraft carrier uh i believe you're in you're. No, no, no, San Diego. Why did I say Long Beach? San Diego. You're in San Diego in that scene.

And you are flying over, you know, you're coming close to landing on the USS John C. Stennis. And I thought, I got to figure out if there's anything else here about this man or about this ship. And there is both. so here is some story time for all of you about john c stennis first the man uh john c stennis was a mississippi senator from 1947 to 1989 uh-oh uh if you can imagine in those years the kinds of opinions that a mississippi senator might have had perhaps a segregationist

perhaps uh an op opposed all of the uh important 1960s civil rights legislation uh not a good man um a democrat uh and yet still mad so this i don't know this proves to me that a democrat can be not a good guy well they kind of the parties kind of swapped i think he was also joking the republicans were awesome in the 1960s oh they rocked but anyway i say that he's a democrat because it factors into the story i'm going to tell here which is his main uh kind of i don't know notability in history maybe uh i mean one one part of history was all of these bad things that he did and the bad votes that he made yeah but uh the other thing about john c stennis is his uh participation in the watergate scandal uh so we're let's cut to late in the

watergate scandal nixon Nixon is against the ropes. A special prosecutor has been appointed and he wants Nixon to hand over his many hours of weirdly recorded tapes in the Oval Office. Please give this to the special prosecutor's office. Nixon does not want to do this because they likely incriminate him. And also on the tapes, he uses a lot of foul language and racial slurs. So Nixon's like, okay, nobody's, the American people are not going to hear these tapes. Here's what, but I want to help out. I am a helpful man, me, Richard Nixon.

I will make you a compromise. We will do the Stennis Compromise. This is probably, if you're into the whole watergate story you surely know this but i didn't know this step of it and this was the stennis compromise uh you know all right john c stennis he's a democrat as you know he's not he's not i should be a little bit nixon he's not in my pocket he's impartial right uh so here's what we'll do he will listen to the tapes and he'll give you the

gist of what's on the tapes we'll put him in a room with the tapes and then he will describe what he heard on the tapes and then no one needs to hear the tapes and special prosecutor archibald cox said that seems weird uh why would that be why would he be a good person to do that? Because Democrat. He is Democrat. And then the special prosecutor keeps thinking and says, wait a minute. Do you want him to give the gist of what's on the tapes because he's extremely old, almost deaf, and extremely medicated because earlier in the year he was mugged and shot oh my god so here we have him nixon's idea of how to be fair is to get the most enfeebled man in washington a guy who's like his senses are not working in multiple ways and he's just gonna listen to a tape and see what he retains or hears at all if anything this is like a coen brothers

movie or something like it's really this was cut from bernie after reading for being two on the nose that's really funny it speaks to the calm frame of mind of nixon at this time what do we do okay we gotta find a deaf guy who's the deaf guy and make sure okay why don't you have somebody mug and shoot him okay wait cut that from the record we're not gonna say that i'm the one to commission the shooting anyway okay uh um so uh yeah wow the plan's crazy and paranoid the special prosecutor archibald cox rejected it nixon said okay you're fired and that was the saturday night massacre oh yeah which was the big thing that showed the corruption of the office at this point the kind of thing that trump did all the time and will possibly

in the future or maybe not i don't know you won't even have to do it all the time but at the time this was a scandalous thing for a president to do and it involved this very stupid idea involving the man who the ship is named after wow and now every time you go on this ride think about that when you see that ship yeah you could hear nixon's voice in your head when you see this scene like oh what else how can we add to this we could spin him around real fast make him eat a lot of spicy food how about? Feed him the spiciest hot wings we could find. There was another great, real quick, off Nixon. Nixon's, of course, his brother had the restaurant on Harbor.

Oh, that's right, yes. In Ernst County near Disneyland, there was a Nixon diner. Yes, and I'll shout out the Bob Gurr show that he's been doing on YouTube where Tony Baxter just did an interview and told a very amusing Walt and Nixon's brother story. Ooh, really? Which got, like, he asked his brother to get Nixon to come to the opening of the monorail, I believe, or something. I won't go into the full thing because I don't remember it, obviously, but it's got a bunch of newer Tony stuff in the sense that I haven't heard him say the same story ten

times. Like I have on other. It's not. But does he do the hits? Does he tell the Breck Eisner story? No Breck Eisner. Wow. No George Lucas big snake story. Oh, here we're cooking.

Okay. I was impressed. I was like, oh, I haven't heard like a couple of these. Wow. Yeah. Wow. New Tony drops. New Tony drops.

Yeah. Great. Okay. So yeah, Bob, it's on YouTube. I don't know who's making it but bob ger has a talk show yeah i don't know i don't know why i have not been uh watching this i'll check it out um anyway the uh that's the man uh john c stennis to get back to the ship uh the name was approved by reagan on his way out of office like late in the second term yeah a lot of people now

who want it to change due to his being a terrible segregationist and racist man um however there's some history of the ship that has nothing to do with any of this and that is the ship's participation in pearl harbor not the attack on pearl harbor but the world premiere of pearl harbor held by the Walt Disney Company. So this is weird. They must have filmed the scene for Soarin' above the ship late in 2000 in preparation for California Adventure. And then May of 2001, Pearl Harbor's landing in theaters everywhere. We got to celebrate.

We got to go to Pearl Harbor. I have the ultimate Pearl Harbor's landing in theaters everywhere. We got to celebrate. We got to go to Pearl Harbor. Have the ultimate Pearl Harbor party. So, hey, why don't we get that ship that worked out so well for us? Well, it is in San Diego. That's fine. Why don't we let's have them take it all the way to Pearl Harbor, which they did. It took five days at the military's expense. Wow, really?

They paid? Yeah. Well, but they own disney probably because the military probably gave them money for making pearl harbor i'm guessing yeah it's probably a break yeah it's one of those things where like as long as it's favorable the military will pay for certain parts of movies oh does that happen sometimes i don't know that that's actually what happened with pearl harbor but there's like uh there's articles about it where like if a certain as long as you like say the right things in a movie, it's almost kind of like you're doing an ad. I don't know if that's what Pearl Harbor did.

At the very least, get military liaisons and tanks and jeeps. Right. They'll loan you tanks and jets and stuff and maybe a base or two. I don't know. Well, maybe Armageddon or something. Could have been one or the other, you know? Sure. Yeah. It's possible. Isn't there like, there's like a big battle

at the end of bed knobs and broomsticks, right? Maybe the military helped with that. It's very possible. Isn't it a bunch of like inanimate objects? Oh, yeah. Maybe the military advised. It's very possible. Yeah.

Remember, so the Patty Jenkins was going to make Rogue One, the Star Wars Rogue One. I'll never forget that. Do you remember the teaser where she got out of a jet? Like it was like an airport? It wasn't Rogue One. It was a separate show or, well, no, film probably. Was it called Rogue Squadron? It was called, it's Rogue Squadron.

Oh, Rogue Squadron. Sorry. Something that did not ever exist or get made. Like the X-Wings, the video, there was a lot of Rogue Squadron video games. Rogue Squadron was, of course, the group of X-Wings, yes. And of course, Jason, do you think I don't remember Patty Jenkins with the rollerblades on the military base with the jet talking about why she's making Rogue Squadron only for it to be canceled within a few weeks or something?

Maybe not a few weeks, but yes, of course. And then there was a rumor it was back a couple weeks ago, but then somebody said, no, it's not back. It's back and it's a trilogy. No, wait, it exists less than ever. It's very similar to, like, there's some, you know, I like the first Captain Marvel movie, but there's some very, like, blatant Air Force propaganda.

Sure, yeah. Where it's like, why, what is it? Why do we need to see them getting out of jets with cool jet stuff yeah top gun obviously has a good relationship yeah that's all and it's you know i with top gun 2 i'm trying to think well no they know i saw it i saw it and i like yeah they did the movie remember if you saw remember if you saw it. This is right in baby time. This is like a month after baby. I watched Top Gun 2. Yeah, this is movie theater. In the theater or at home?

At home. Well, that's a more forgettable. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I saw it at City Walk. Yeah, the Thunder of the Jets in person. I wish. I was having a baby. I was busy.

They did the smart movie. They bring her. They did the smart movie thing where it's like, we're the good guys and we need to fly a mission against the baddies. They did the smart movie thing where it's like we're the good guys and we need to we need to fly a mission against the baddies you're the smartest thing ever yeah not saying who the baddies are very generic uh-huh uh-huh so yeah so they could have been aliens for we don't even we don't even see human heads under those helmets we don't know who the hell's in yeah did walt ever get the military to move a giant ship somewhere for some sort of promotional reason i wonder like back in walt's day it was on the to-do list probably they were satisfying 20 000 leagues or

something do they have any subs oh i remember what i wanted to ask is this an active aircraft carrier is it decommissioned i believe it's active okay at least it was at the time yeah um but you know it was not active on the night of the premiere in 2001 where it hosted such hollywood luminaries as ben affleck alec baldwin tom sizemore dan akroyd courtney love lots of actual veterans and of course byron allen hell yeah he's not in the movie right i've never seen pearl harbor actually i don't think there's a byron now i don don't know. But, you know, he could play a general or something. Yeah, no, I know. That would have actually been like...

Real quick. I would have put that to the top of the queue if he's... Is he acting in something? Don't know. That's a good question. Maybe in the early days. Yeah. No, I did...

Well, something to dive into. Yep. People are salivating for more Byron Allen. We will. Content. My biggest question question because it is funny that like all right hollywood head out to hawaii because we're having the pearl harbor party of a lifetime and it did make it gave me a question on the way out the door which is

did the movie surfers go to the pearl harbor premiere do you remember the disney channel movie surfers oh no i don't actually um they're at a you know Oh, no. I don't, actually. It was like, I don't know if any of them got famous or anything, but they were like, you know, they'd send a bunch of cool, confident teens to go cover movie premieres. Oh, like red carpet. Yeah, yeah. And I wonder if the movie surfers ever did a, you know,

and was it like a typical, like, what's up guys? Psyched to be here with the great Tom Sizemore and we can't wait for Pearl Harbor. Did you know Pearl Harbor was based on real events? Or did they acknowledge it and like, hello everybody and welcome to a particularly somber movie surfers. We're surfing a little slower today in honor of everyone who lost their lives on that fateful day. Did they ever do a touching tribute?

Movie surfers on IMDb lists from 97 to 2021. Really? The franchise was still? It says Jungle Cruise. Did movie surfers help promote the Jungle Cruise movie? Possibly. Wow. I haven't checked in in a while

and i don't know what's on the disney i don't know if the disney channel is just a test pattern today or i guess qbc things are on it i don't know it's a home shopping thing um yeah it says episode guide on imdb 97 up like 97 episodes sorry of movie surfers and this is what you're talking about i can't imagine it's something different. But it's got to be weirder today because at the time, the surfing kind of referred to the internet aspect of things. These are some like tech confident teens

who can go to traditional movie premieres and post their findings on the internet where the fellow teens are. You see what this says? Disney Online Podcasts. Is there a movie service podcast? Disney Online Podcasts. Wow.

And, well, like most film reviewing enterprises in America, has movie surfers turned incredibly toxic and sued a right wing? Probably. If Disney Online Podcasts still exists, I would leave Forever Dog in a second. I don't care. I will join Disney Online Podcasts as long as they make the right offer. You know? Well, I assure you they won't.

Ah, the famously cheap company, the Disney Corporation. I'm sure each movie surfer was paid their fair shake. Movie surfers is hard to search images only because you had to go through all the images and go like, okay, movie surfers is not Johnny Tsunami and it's not Rip Girl and it's not

Teen Beach and it's not Teen Beach 2. It's not a movie about surfers. Right. Yeah. They made a lot of beach movies movies really came back so that's a famous ship yeah it sure is so yeah don't just you know don't when you pass by that on the ride don't think that that was just involved in some like boring kind of like all right this is going to be parked off the coast of Guam or whatever. Right. You know,

Thomas Sizemore partied there. Dan Aykroyd and presumably Donna Dixon had a blast that night. Probably. That is also, that feels like a very rich territory of like, huh, I never really thought like, who is this building named after?

Like looking into like, oh no. Yeah. Like I think, well, like, who is this building named after? Like, looking into, like, oh, no. Yeah. Like, I think McCarran, the Vegas airport is now Harry Reid Airport, and he was an okay guy because he really wanted to get those alien records out. But the person who was named before him, McCarran, I think was a bit of a nut job. Well, I think it's fair to say that if you are in a big, expensive, seeming building with the name of a man on it, it's a bad man. Just rule of thumb.

I mean, maybe not always. Good chance at least. Freeways, if you're on a highway named after somebody, I don't know. That's dicier so maybe sometimes that's somebody who was uh killed on that stretch of road or is it you know that that one's iffier but the building definitely probably and and they're like that person uh murdered people and those bodies are buried in the basement of that building except for the john bon jovi rest stop in New Jersey.

Oh, yeah, with all the exhibits about the New Jersey great residents. Does a lot of charity work. He has his wine. Everybody likes Hampton Water. Everybody loves John Bon Jovi.

You think everybody likes Hampton Water? I assume they do. I've not tried it. What was that based on? Let's back that. Let's source that. Well, let's not.

Let's not source it. All right. Well, what we should do is after that chunk of info, unless I'm missing anything, we should move on to the world. Yes. Because we're deep into it now. There was a lot of that from- I feel like world gets hate. Uh-huh.

Most, I think the cool opinion is to like California better. Yeah. And I slightly disagree. I think I like world. I'm just coming out hot here. Oh, really? Interesting. And saying I do think I like world better.

Don't be mad at me. I know I'm throwing a lot of hardcore opinions around, incendiary opinions today, but I think I like world better, and I just want to put that on the table up front. The only thing I've been mad at, and I haven't had the wine, but my guess is that Hampton Water sucks. So I'm mad about that. But I should try it and know for sure. That would just be my guess. We should do a Hampton Water episode.

All right. I should have left that. You know what? You should have left that back at the rest stop. The wrestling chant, you fucked up. You fucked up. I was clear, and then I went backwards. No, no, no.

I wasn't even thinking about an episode. I was going to say get some Hampton water for the Feek Soren episode, but I didn't consider a whole exploration of the world of Hampton water. Again, I think we were fine where we were. I was saying it as something I was mad about incendiary opinion wise. This one, I don't know. You know what I was going to come in with and it's less hot of a take. I think I would still vote California over Worlds, but I think that being mad at Worlds, I don't think that it's bad. I think we will talk about things that we don't like as much, and maybe Mike will disagree with those things. But, yeah, would I vote for California over Worlds? Definitely.

But I'm not upset if I get to one of these and it's Worlds. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Jason, what do you think? I think I lean towards Scott's opinion. I like California better, I think. I don't know if that's just the inclination of like, well, it's much more, I don't know.

It's shot on film and it went to those locations. Now, I did see the sizzle reel on the Disney YouTube channel of the helicopters flying over the world locations. They did it. They did the big wall. They drove the helicopter to the big wall. This is the most dismissive tone I've ever heard.

They did it. They did incredible shots. He sounds like he's putting it down. They took a camera to the great wall of china drawn animation it was so this is a beautiful shot it's incredible it's beautiful shots there are some like there's some more there's some episode one level wipes there's some episode one level transitions the wipes are my biggest issue yeah I would say. And just as a reminder of what we're talking about, the first version, Soaring Over California, you go to all these different locations. And I remember before I went on it thinking, how do you transition from one to the other?

And it's just hard cuts. There really aren't transitions. to do these kind of digital stitch work moments where they find something like what's the one where um why am i blank what is it that's something turns into balloons correct uh what is what is it that's round that then because oh it's the top of the taj mahal right yes the rounded shape of the top of the taj mahal becomes balloons and monument valley right i look at those and think stupid the transitions are the silliest part to me i think it's shocking how well the hard cuts work in the original i forget if i said this in part one but it reminds me of how in many christopher nolan films if you see it in IMAX format,

it shifts back and forth. Giant sequences are shot IMAX, which has a different size of frame than the rest of it. And I remember the first, probably Dark Knight, I was like, how's that gonna work? And it's just hard cuts

and it works fantastic. It's so simple. He doesn't need to do some weird morph between scenes. It's kind of crazy. You might not even notice it. it's so simple they don't he doesn't need to do some weird morph between scenes it's kind of crazy you might you might not even notice it it's so subtle and i think that's what it may i think something about the size of the room enables that where it's just so i don't know you're playing in such with such broad strokes that you can just do cuts that uh that sweeping and sudden but yeah uh i don't know should have just been do cuts that sweeping and sudden. But yeah, I don't know. Should have just been hard cuts.

That is probably my biggest qualm. I think, but I'll say something very positive. I think one of my favorite theme park scents like pumped into the ride is that sort of fruity, florally, when you fly over a fiji that scent and it's i i believe in it's in flight of passage too um oh yeah was refreshing it's very refreshing cool that magic candle company that sells different scents based on rides even as a note on the like flying over fiji scent

like this is very similar to the banshee flight set like so i'm like okay uh it's a it's a really great scent that is something that i would put in the world's side of this debate i think that while you know we did us we did the fake smell final four and i think that the citrus smell from california made it very far not the final but to the final two um so i think that is the height of the good smell the orange smell yeah uh is is the best of all of these smells however i think, if you're averaging all of the smells and the innovation of the smells, I think the world smell game is better than California. Is that possible, even though the best smell is in California? That's a good question.

Because I really like Fiji. Yes. I really like Taj Mahal. Yeah. I really like, not really like, I am fine with- I adore. I adore Africa grass. That sort of, yeah.

No, I like it. I don't know. I agree with, you know, I think you're right. I think you're right. The winter is in California, but overall- What's the other one in California? It's like pine in the- Yes.

Really? Or is there Malibu? There's a wood smell. I've already forgotten everything. Did you say, is there milk? Is like pine in the... Yes. In there. Or is there a Malibu? There's a wood smell. I've already forgotten everything. Did you say, is there milk? Is there Malibu? Is there milk?

Yeah. Is there a milk smell? Is it nasty? Is it part where they... You get a baby formula? Yeah, that kind of takes you out of the ride when there's a nasty-ass milk smell.

You drive by that... You drive by in the sky by those cows and you smell milk? Yeah. Remember that scene? Yes. The scent's very good. Real quick quick scott back to your point of the transitions i i get why they were like ah they bother me a little bit in the first one i could see that bothering somebody but what

they did the way they did it it's like there's a kite is a transition to another scene and the kite is so like CGI and fast. Yes. And takes you out of it. Because I think the hard cuts, they were probably thinking like, well, I don't want it to be so jarring that it takes people out of wherever they're immersed in whatever scene it is. But I feel like it maybe had the opposite effect because they did such like whimsical style cuts. Yeah. With like a little like flourish with like a kite cuts you right to the next thing

and it doesn't. It's more jarring and it takes me out of it more. That one is jarring. A simple fade, I think, would have achieved what they were looking for. The best one to me is from, I believe,

Fiji to Iguazu, the waterfalls. That's the closest to a fit. That's just like matching the perspective and speed of the water. Yeah. And that one works pretty good to me. It almost like feels like an effect of the mist or something. Yeah.

Where as opposed to, kite, kite, kite, hurry up, get up there, wipe the scene, hurry, go. Right. The desperately quick. Yes, they all feel too quick too just like the plane that like flies at you and transition coming in it's too quick it feels unnatural like it takes your brain out of it too because your brain goes oh that's not real that's not

real the golf ball i think tricks people still maybe if it's your first time you go oh it's not until like the last five frames do you realize that that is fake like it's kind of done yeah it's it's small enough you know it's like a small enough little detail that they get away with it as opposed to yes like a a sky captain in the world of tomorrow plane flying into your face right out of nowhere it wasn't visible in the frame it's not like it even crept so fast it's just like i'm here i gotta what to do here we go yeah so so i yeah i i they would have been better if they just did like a transit like a star wipe it would have been better now we're talking yeah yes yeah um that's i mean it might have been more appropriate for California to tribute not so much the film industry as the public access video industry.

You know what? The porn industry. It'd be a subtle way to nod to the pornography made in the San Fernando Valley to do star wipes and page peels. Yeah. Page peels. They should page peel every scene to the next place. I'd like to ask, somebody re-edit Soren and put in all of the great, wonderful wipes out there.

Blinds, the ones that are like, yeah, like Venetian blinds suddenly split the screen into 14 parts. The old like Final Cut Express, like things I used in college. Yeah. Any of those, perfect. Yeah, when you see those, when you're getting ready

to edit something, well, they have them here. Am I supposed to not use them? Why would I? I wouldn't be taking advantage of the program that I have possibly borrowed but possibly burned

from the one copy that's going around this entire school. Yeah. That all 100 people editing on are on the backs of this one set of CDs. And then like- Is it harder or easier to steal editing software now?

I'm not sure. I'm a sucker in Adobe, and I pay the subscription for the Adobe products, and I'm positive there is a way. Because it used to be that you'd buy a cd and now you have the program forever they figured out that the money is in you never fully have it you pay them forever to have these products oh yeah it's a monthly subscription in which you get nothing new that's like streaming services well at least you get new shows i guess that's you know this is just you get to continue to have adobe audition uh this is a dry point but it's it's a silly thing i am positive that there is a way that i could

hack my way to not paying this company anymore uh but i'm just too good of a boy to go figure it out i meant um i meant in colleges is it easier with like um we transfer and dropbox and google drive to just send someone the driver it's you just have to have the code to like unlock a piece of software right so i don't know how i do remember getting like a cd that was burned of some software and then people being like try one of these 15 codes and see if one of them works. And I'm like, I don't know how you got these codes, but I will try them. And then one would work. This is too much editing talk.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. But it is a lot of, I mean, editing plays such a big part in both these tracks. Oh, yeah. Thank you. There we go. Jason figured out a way. Oh, okay. Yeah. We did all just point at Jason a lot.

I've never been more frightened when someone was agreeing with me. No, no, no. That was us going, yes, good, good, good. You did transition us back into the... That was a transition as smooth as those in Soarin' Around the World. A seamless morph, as if done by a quick-moving plane. Editing does play such a big part in both of these things, both of these sets of footage.

But I feel like around the world is a good reminder of like, oh yeah, editing is so subjective, but you know something is wrong. Instinctively, people people whether they know editing or not they either they know when to go like or when they're like oh i don't really care about that well you know what i mean yes speaking as an editor it is true that like i mean i think what i like to avoid is something that's so fast that it takes you out of it yeah that like i don't like

either it's got to be slow and graceful enough that you kind of like transition into it and accept it or there's just nothing there and i think that is the problem with some of these that i think if the plane took two seconds and not yeah point zero zero two uh yeah it's just uh it's too fast it's very jarring um let's talk about uh stuff in it though yeah uh and that's that's really what i mean something you'd have to give it up for this ride is that you do see um incredible sights that they broadened the horizon of what they can, where they can take these cameras, where they can take us using this technology. Not that Camarillo wasn't great. We could have stayed in Camarillo forever

and looked at Citrus Grove forever and it would have been fine. We didn't even get to the outlet malls of Camarillo. Well, look, that's a saga you're talking about. So we'll deal with that for many, many days in 2037. But yes, you get to go to sites that you may never get to see in your life and certainly not from this particular perspective. So I think you got to give it up for this global version for uh you know doing that for being like a genuine sightseeing adventure yeah and the scope yeah it definitely feels like oh it's the bigger sequel

it feels the scope is bigger now and we're getting to do it's just like the other one but now we're really exploring the world like it does i feel like they they made good on the they made good on the premise literally it's soaring around the the world. But it feels like the sequel in a way. It feels like they've upped the ante. Definitely. Yeah, yeah. So these start popping up in 2016. And Epcot had started showing the California version, which at the time it felt a little bit strange.

But of course now whenever they bring back california everybody's like fuck yeah yeah i think it's just you just got to keep that but you just got to like slot them in and out yeah it's easy you know yeah then it keeps excitement up for both of them you get a break so that you can come back with open arms yes although i maybe i kind of feel like it should just be california forever in california oh really you know what yeah oh okay because it's special they know it's now it's location specific and you got to go It should just be California forever in California. Oh, really? You know what? Yeah. Oh, okay. Because it's special. Now it's location specific, and you got to travel the world to go to the world ones.

That might be where I'm landing. Okay. Yeah. I disagree, but I would like it back and forth. I don't know what a good distribution of months would be, because that's a whole... We always have that... Sore in custody? Yeah, because obviously the whole debate over debate over haunted mansion how many months should the overlay be and we all

have opinions i think we all want a little less ideally sure of the overlay but yeah i half and half would be good for me even though i prefer world i think i yeah i would i would accept half and half yeah every other month or six months six months months? I think we're asking a lot of them to do the every other month. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it is interesting to see the switchover only took like a day or two. Yeah, they didn't shut this down for a long time. No. Yeah, I don't think it takes that long.

No, I think. I think you can get that thing up and running. All right, fine. If they have. Three months, three months, three months, three months. fine if they have three months three months three months three like switch over every three months well i kind of like the way they do it a california adventure of when the food and wine festival starts in the new year oh and then they bring back california sure yeah that's good it's like they were they were also doing that it's like ah food and wine

we're bringing back that we're gonna have a very small room where you can watch Seasons of the Vine, narrated by Jeremy Irons. Jeremy. You did call him Jeremy. Oh, excuse me. Jeremy? Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay. It was just a way you know, I know you know his name is Jeremy. I was blanking on his name until the last second. Oh, okay. And I was like, I don't think it was narrated by Max von Sydow, but I know it's one of the older actors. And then I remember Jeremy Irons. I thought you were saying,

you were wondering if it was Pepo Irons. It's Pepo Irons. No, I thought Max von Sydow is going to narrate it as death as his character from the seventh seal he's gotta be I mean he's passed away but he's gotta be 40 years older than Jeremy Irons right he was an old guy

that's true I mean Jeremy Irons is probably 7 years old I don't know we don't have to talk about this yeah we really do we do not know what we're talking about Max von Seidel let's talk about these things okay so I think you know what I're talking about next on Insider. Let's talk about these things. Okay, so I think, you know what? I think it's a really excellent first moment. I think the original one set the bar that the first thing you see really has to make you gasp

because it's Golden Gate Bridge in the first one. And here you're looking at the Matterhorn, the real Matterhorn, the border of Italy and Switzerland in the Swiss Alps. I also think it's kind of neat. This activates the like genuine Disney dork side of me. I think it's neat that this is

one of several little nods to Disney attractions within the world. Yes, I completely agree. And this is the type of reference to Disney and the company that I like on Soarin'. home please right experience yeah i completely agree and this is the type of reference to disney and the company that i like on a soren this is not showing on his cartoon he is tinkerbell flying but this is a little this thematically makes sense and then you can turn to a partner of some kind and

go by the way did you know this is a little reference to the Matterhorn over in Disneyland? We're looking at Matterhorn. I like this tone. We're looking at, that's real Matterhorn as opposed to fake Matterhorn in part. Fake Matterhorn. That's clever. That's clever. That's clever.

And you're hitting. You're hitting. You got to get right in there. Hey, dig into their legs. Could you shut up? We waited an hour for this. Mike, you're holding a pencil. Stop just.

Stop stabbing my knee with that pencil. Stop tugging on my yellow strap. You're tugging on my yellow strap. It's going to pull the seatbelt out. Why are you trying to undo it? Until you acknowledge this is cool. This is a good reference. I will tighten this and tighten this for the rest of the ride until you tell me this is cool. Has anyone

tugged on the yellow strap so hard that they pulled the whole seat belt out like the strongest world's strongest man like it's maybe somebody google it oh my god yes mike it happened the entire row all of the rest of whom were children under five years old he was taking around as part of a make-a-wish foundation arrangement they all fell and they were all on the top row, too. Oh, my God. Well, I was talking about before takeoff. So that's crazy to hear that.

I was just imagining a row of American gladiators all on Soarin'. And they tugged on the yellow strap and they ripped the seatbelt right out. They were all chanting, Matterhorn, Matterhorn. And so excited that they were yanking and yanking and the whole thing fell apart. So, yeah, if you're a pro wrestler or an American gladiator, do not tug on that yellow strap too hard. Know your own strength, Turbo. Know your strength. Yes, I love the Matterhorn reveal.

And it's a little, we can talk about how the way, like, depending on where you are, how some of these images are a little curved and a little skewed slightly. And I know this is a problem. Now, it happens at the Golden Gate Bridge. It's part of the first one, too. And I don't know why it is more of a problem in the world version. It just is. I don't know what's going on. I know.

I don't know exactly either. But if you're sitting in the right spot, it's so cool. I love this reveal. Not to jump around too much, but I am convinced, I mean, in this particular ride film, where it is the biggest problem is clearly the Eiffel Tower. Of course, yeah. I think you have to be front row center. You have to be dead in the middle.

Maybe top, okay. But maybe all three. Yeah, maybe all three yeah maybe all three so maybe all the centers are fine but there are certain angles from which it seems like the eiffel tower is going into some kind of warp tunnel like it is being sucked into a black hole it is it is it is you might say unrecognizable as the Eiffel Tower, a building that we all know goes straight up. Because sometimes you see it at a perfect C. It's kind of crazy. Is that, do you think the high definition element of around the world, do you think it's too clear and it's heightening the curve?

Does that make sense though? I don't know. I really don't. I wish I could say one way or the other obviously if we're on the right or left like the like the hard right or left like that's when it's like it warps more is the screen curve it's because the screen is curved a little bit or the screen didn't change you know you're right it's the i i don't know all i maybe it's just maybe it would have happened more in the first ride film but that you just don't look at as many tall pointy things that might be it maybe that's it you're kind of more it's kind of more like landscapes right yeah and

you know it's pretty spectacular getting to go right up to that light on top of the eiffel tower it is a great moment. But if you're down in the corner, if you're in the basement of this ride, it is definitely a little weird. It's not weird enough to make me hate the ride. It is not. However...

But it's enough to make you curse Eiffel and his foolish tower. Come up and... He's gotten his comeuppance yet again. Jason is now, of course, we haven't revealed in the show, he hates Eiffel. His famous tower.

Why must history know his name and not mine? Carnegie would never diddle-daddle with such foolishness. Diddle-daddle. Jason, you should have your own tower. Oh, I'd love to have a tower. Where would you have your tower? Oh, I don't know.

Delaware County, Pennsylvania, outside of Philadelphia. Okay, sounds good. And a tower. My favorite spots. Tower of hotcakes. Oh, get some hotcakes in there, you know. Just a tower of all the stuff you like kind

of a big dagwood sandwich of all of your interests tom jones diner that we used to go to after plays that smelled like cigarettes even after smoking doors was banned so that's in it there's a diner in the tower in it sex hamburgers uh brewster's ice cream, all the great local landmarks. Brewster is franchised in L.A. now. In L.A., very weird seeing a local ice cream company. I do think they call the screen 180-degree dome screen. So I think you're right that in that one, you in that when it's like a dome screen, it's if you have a long tall object, I just think it's like, it's not going to look right.

It's hard. When you're coming at it from. Yeah, you're right. If it's being projected, curved, well, I mean, this, this now begs a question. And maybe I don't know if you can speak to this or not. But do you think that this kind of thing has been fixed screen curvature-wise at Vegas's Famous Sphere? Same question. Well, you know what?

It's a good point. I have not seen the postcards show, the Darren Aronofsky show. I bet it hasn't. I bet it's unable to be fixed. But aren't there those moments, like when you're in the tower of code that falls on you yeah uh in the u2 show although that is that is now passed but that's a part of the show uh but yeah but isn't that but that's like you're that's something on a curved screen that's that reads as uh straight lines like i feel like they're able to account for the curvature in

a smart way yeah i guess that's true for that specific thing we're talking about which is when like a the whole sphere feels like it's a trash compactor of numbers coming down on you but i think it just looks i don't know i it's a good question i don't think i think we'd have to play soren in sphere to know for sure which by the way the way, is something they should do. Let's do that. Postcards is kind of like that, Darren Airdorff. That's what a lot of people have said, is that it's like a sitting Soren.

Right. So they should have had all the seats just be Soren seats in Sphere. Yeah, it is kind of crazy they didn't make a move. Yeah. Yeah. It was probably on the drawing board before the exit this is i really shouldn't go on this tangent it's a lot of tan but i think i can do it quick um i have to bring up when uh there was a lot of text threads going on during

the grammys during the grammys there was a performance by you two of their new song atomic city of course and it was kind of like a greatest hits a little bit of like all of the tricks of throughout their show that like that, you know, like all the many different projections that they would do throughout the full run of the U2 sphere show. And you expressed on a text chain, Mike, that you were dissatisfied with the performance because you felt that it misrepresented what was on the screen during Atomic City. Right. And I said, what was on the screen during Atomic City. And I said, what was on the screen during Atomic City? And you said, I don't know. I went to the

bathroom. Well, all I know is that it wasn't the stuff they were showing because it was in other songs. We don't miss. Some of it might have been. Well, no, I don't think it was. I just thought it was strange that you were defending atomic city's honor and here you were taking a piss all over it while you were actually

there that well look i guess you're right they could have done a greatest hits of all the effects during atomic city but i bet i would bet a million dollars no way and that they used all the effects to make it look like the number trash compactor was happening during atomic city let me ask just i mean you pay so much to go to these things um do they have the projections on the toilets so you don't miss them in the 180 dome toilet screens they should be projecting them down into the bowl. That's right. You know, which works better if you're peeing than if you're- You pee into Bono's mouth, basically? Well, you like have a live feed from his-

Now you're just being ridiculous. Being ridiculous, but to an effective end, because I think that sounds really cool. I would love to pee into Bono's mouth. Pee on like Trey Anastasi, whatever his last name is. Anastasio's guitar. A musician of that caliber? Yeah, he's... Now Bono, that's another thing.

I fucked up. I can't think of Trey's last name, guys. I'm so sorry. But he's Fish. Fish did four Sphere shows. The visuals looked awesome too. Yes, yeah. I do...

I don't necessarily want to go to the shows, but the visuals looked really awesome. The big robot stuff. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that robot looked really cool. They really, I feel like, did the homework. And mainly, they did not do any affronts to the memory of Atomic City. No, not that I saw.

But educate me. I don't know what happened at every show. Yeah. Okay, we don't have to talk about everything in in all of these but let me just shout out some some scenes uh uh greenland you're in a yeah world of uh icebergs and ice patches glaciers fjord uh east fjord greenland i don't know if i'm saying that right uh um here is where we start getting a little nutty with our polar bears yes our transition whale we get a little a whale splash that is one of the wipes and yeah it's you know what i don't think you need it and now i'm going to be where you were with yeah tinkerbell i think it's a little goofy i I agree with what Jason said earlier. It takes you out of it. We're in a canny, yes. Maybe full cartoon Wales.

If Pyrecon was in it, obviously, I'd be very happy. But besides that. Yeah, I don't think the animals themselves look bad. It's just like they're doing tricks. You're talking about editing. Yeah. It's just something's wrong. And I guess most guests probably wouldn't articulate that afterward i thought that was

nice or whatever but your brain is like that's not what are the chances yeah you know what it all reminds me and i'm not that the cgi is this bad but it activated the same it's the worst of it activates the same part of me as the monkeys in Crystal Skull. Oh. As well as the little, is it like a squirrel? What pops up? That's really good. That's like a gopher.

A gopher. Like Caddyshack gopher at the start of Crystal Skull. Whatever face he makes is actually broader than the I'm Alright dance. Yeah. It's actually sillier than Caddyshack. There is like a squirrel CGI, or gopher CGI at the start of Crystal Skull. Indiana Jones and the...

I'm just saying, these animals would all be pals, I think. I think that the elephant throwing the grass would get along great with the Indiana Jones monkeys. They're just all cut from the same cloth. Yeah. It's just not my favorite and i think we're gonna see a swing away from this sort of the need to like goofify it with cgi i think cgi is

more effective when it's uh realistic or you swing all the way and it's like very fantastical and right again uncanny valley i think it's it's caught Twin. I don't know if you guys saw this. It was just a short how they did it, but the David Fincher Netflix movie, The Killer, there is, he's riding a motorcycle through the city, and I had no idea this was composite. Some of it was CGI. There are very unique close-ups, I feel like, and some of it was cgi there there are very unique close-ups i feel like and some of the riding through the city is cg i had no idea that's i think what it's and i'm sure there's a lot of

there must be a lot of effective invisible cgi in this ride that we just aren't noticing um notably i always think about it in the disneyland parts where you're like what's past disneyland i guess nothing what's up north of disneyland just a lot of black i suppose let's not worry about whatever office buildings and hotels we don't own up there yeah yes so there's stuff like there yeah there's little like cleanliness things that they're doing i'm sure at all of these but that are that are more effective than like the more showy CGI. Like the plane in Sydney, Australia in the next part.

That's, I think the dumbest. I thought it was the animals, but I think that plane. The plane is bad. There is a plane. I think it's very dumb and takes away from Sydney and that it's cool to be in that particular part. The CG,

it kind of makes me think like, it's like, oh, we need to put something dynamic in there. And it's cool to be in that particular part. The CG, it kind of makes me think like, it's like, oh, we need to put something dynamic in there. And it's like, do you think whatever you edit in there is going to be more entertaining than the Outback or the Mount Kilimanjaro, like the most majestic natural beauty you've ever seen it's like a little insecure yeah yeah you know maybe it's we might be looking at like notes here we might be looking at kind of like studio executive sure like i don't know i think you gotta hit them

i thought hey it's 2016 baby the kids they someone focused ran but they play they play video games instead of seeing movies we got to make this like a video game what does that mean i don't know that's for you to figure out now you know it's like how magic is losing some of its credibility as entertainment with movies and video games stealing kids attention okay you're kind of quoting the mass magician specials which was the club three thing check out club three check out the mass magician episode um uh now talking about natural beauty and a cool thing to see from a particular perspective uh we see this bavarian castle let me take a stab at pronunciation neuschwanstein neuschwanstein castle in bavaria neuschwanstein ah the eagle's nest hitler's lair

yep you got it it's not it's it's yeah so here so history you're looking at the the castle where hitler blew his brains out soaring over hitler it's all famous hitler places you look closely you can see his rotting corpse nobody ever went near it nobody touched it uh shockingly well it's just a skeleton with a mustache on it cga they cga skeleton in though they didn't put the real skeleton in there and it looks fake yeah well i think it's really silly that it winks at you yeah um yeah tinkerbell the tinkerbell carrying the skeleton at the end i see i know mike i'm gonna go on record i think it's nice that tinkerbell is disposing of hitler's skeleton all right you know you're right i like that hopefully going to drop it somewhere terry

in a big pit of fire somewhere where it'll never come back. I agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with that. In a big pile of shit. Take it to a sanitation waste disposal place. So the real history here is this is one of those Disney nod things. Because here we are looking at the castle that most closely inspired Sleeping Beauty Castle. Cool.

Tell your partner next to you, grab their thigh and double it cold. Shab their legs. Bruise them. If they leave the ride not blue and black on the leg, then you have failed as a trivia provider. Sir, we're not going to let you use the single rider's line again if you keep accosting other guests. We got to do it to somebody with trivia this is a

point in the ride and i said i brought this up uh on this last soaring episode and i think i completely forgot about it because it's something i meant to bring up on other like big ride episodes is that there's a point in rides where even if you're tired you've been on the ride a lot the magic comes back you can feel that jolt and i would call it maybe like a magic point or something where like even on the sleepiest day where you're not so into going on soren it's nine o'clock and you've been on soren a couple times this year you're lucky whatever there's a point when you go this is good i'm back and i feel like it's the castle part of soren over the world really where i'm just like yeah cool this feels cool i feel immersed it's cool to go around that castle it looks like such an interesting part of Soarin' Over the World. Really? Sure. Where I'm just like, yeah, cool. This feels cool. I feel immersed.

It's cool to go around that castle. It looks like such an interesting part of the world. Yeah. I'll never see it because I don't travel. But this is cool. But I was thinking,

yeah, wait, no Europe for either of you guys? Not yet. Not yet. I would like to go. Mm-hmm. And, well,

you did Japan. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's good. That's a good one. That's something. Yes. There was a theme park involved. Well i mean yeah look i've i've also yeah i've been to theme parks on all of my part of all any of my international travels uh uh but um yeah you're looking at this you're also like you know you're looking at this castle and you're like well this

is and this makes me now i have not you know i I've been to Germany, but this, you know, this area, what I'm looking at here, I'm like, see, why haven't I been here? This is great. And this is like some real history, you know, and I got to get I got to get out of my theme park mind. Yeah. Go see some real history like this castle, which I can only assume is thousands of years old and is steeped in. And then you look it up, 1869. This is right around Civil War, this thing is built.

It's really crazy, and the guy whose castle it is, I looked into, King Ludwig II of Bavaria, who was married to Zsa Zsa Gabor. That's Prince Svan. You're not far off. who was married to jaja gabor that's prince von you're not far off i was gonna say it's like that getting yeah it is like one of those weird yes like the you know when yeah when you're going to tour the liberace house or whatever and like and who are they they're a consulate to something what is that it's kind of like that because this was like a born into royalty king who like I think didn't want to be doing it and was and got bored and shifty.

And what can I do to make this interesting? Now, the good end of this is that he was the main benefactor of Richard Wagner and like underwrote many of his works and a lot of other great like musical and theater works so he like you know get used his position to fund that kind of thing and also to fund like many fancy houses for himself despite already having the one right this what we're looking at in this ride is not a castle he needed to have he was set on castles but just like had a lot of money to burn but then he's like he's kind of like a michael jackson of his era because then he went broke like building more fancy stuff yeah so he had no money to finance things like this that he did not need and he just like basically this guy he started to be known as the Mad King. Wow. And he, like, what's the stuff?

He was a professional wrestler known as the Mad King. Oh. Oh, yeah. But that's a nod, perhaps. Perhaps a nod. I don't know. He's not quite, doesn't sound like this guy. He's really, so, yeah, I mean, it's gay.

At first, I'm like, why is this guy, what's wrong with him? He's like, you know what he's using his position of power to to empower uh great artists and architects much like the soon to be talked about again michael eisner oh wow you know what he's he's in this position to like leave his mark on the globe artistically by helping these other people as a benefactor what's and then you started reading more i mean he really only hurt himself i feel like he started sleeping during the day and riding horses all night he commissioned hundreds of plays that were for himself alone to watch he would just sit in a room many many people on stage and then hooray all right well it's now it's uh a.m. Time for bed. Wow. He stopped talking.

He communicated only in notes. You couldn't look him in the eye. Again, I'm still feeling good about this. This is like Prince. This is like the Prince of his day. Yeah, that's all right. Only he just asked other people to make the music, and he didn't do it himself. Right, right. That's the memo Steve Harvey sent that out.

That's a normal thing to do. Don't look me in the eye. You're busy you've also outed yourself as a as a steve harvey supporter and yeah like a believer in everything that he does yeah so he was just he was a steve harvey of his sure um but then ultimately it was the rampant spending and going into debt on castles and operas that he didn't need uh which was the fuel to declare him legally insane he was captured and deposed and taken to some kind of compound which had lots of bodies of water to prevent you from escaping if

you had been declared insane like the marvel universe the raft or whatever like this like the super villain prison in the middle of the ocean i'm just talking about like a creek but oh okay the rock i guess and ultimately he's just like a this, but... Oh, okay. The rock, I guess. The bridge. And ultimately, he's just like a... This is just like an out-of-shape guy who's probably not going to make it out of the creek. So it's not as cool. Yeah, yeah. It's not like trapping people in the middle of space.

I see. The negative zone. But yeah, no, they didn't need that because I think immediately they took him there and then like two days later, he tried to escape and he drowned. Oh my God. And it's unclear whether that was suicide or he just fully

drowned or if it was a murder because there were maybe signs of struggle but then they said no that was him fighting the other guy and then he was he killed the guy and then uh and then killed himself because of what and i think this is still in dispute whether uh king ludwig died by suicide or was killed while trying to leave the combat so the epstein of his day the debate the debate yeah yes no no because again i don't again i didn't read the full history yeah maybe you know it's always safe to assume that there were a lot of bad things of that nature happening but that didn't seem like the primary facet of this guy and i say good job uh paying for lots of plays that no one else got to see why is that right this guy should not have been taken to this compound uh he should not have been anywhere near this creek um so anyway yeah that's all like pretty recent history at this castle

no not long it was just yeah because This was the summer home of a crazy man. Wow. Yeah, not that far. Just like only a couple decades before Walt Disney himself was born. The magic, and that's my magic point. That's the point where the magic of the ride will, it's undeniable to me again. Yeah.

Because you feel the spirit of King Ludwig. King Ludwig, yes. the madness gets you excited scott the bavarian monarch gets so listen to the show they're gonna be pretty pissed at you there's a few of them he's casting doubt on the ludwig story let's drown him at once and make it look like suicide do you know good bavarian voice probably yeah it seems like right uh i don't know I don't know what I'm talking about I wonder like Is the castle

Like is it tourist available Like can you Yeah Because it's giant So you can do a tour of it I believe so Interesting Yeah

I don't know that for sure I just I assume You're assuming But think about You know what You're looking at that shot In the ride

And you're like This is gonna involve A lot of climbing Or at least A shuttle That's gonna really Sputter on the way up there. Here on the ride, I just get to enjoy this and then I'm on to the next place.

Well, that's what the whole joy of going to theme parks that transport you to places in the real world. That's the whole thrill of it. That's right. Knock stuff off your list. You go back out. Then you go back to the hotel. Without all the hassle and the headache. But wouldn't it be nice if there was like a like a little mini mall

outside of the king ludwig castle like a like a city walk and then the way that you discovered that there was uh like an abbey or was there an abbey road oh yeah i forgot what it was called yeah it was like liver walk or something liverpool city walk beetles themed everything um i don't know well you know like i mean there's truth i mean vatican city is surrounded by the shittiest shopping district you've ever seen in your life so very possibly uh um yeah no there there could very well be ludwig walk they just disney just scrubbed that out is vatican city like it's buying indulgences right it? It's buying like rosaries and stuff. I mean, I think that's part of it.

But then there's also a Hard Rock Cafe. Is there like chain restaurants? I think it's all, yeah. I mean, not too far, as I definitely saw the one in Rome, but Vatican City specific, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if you're looking at like poorly Photoshopped

t-shirts of the Pope hanging out with Tupac. I feel like it was that level next to a chipotle because i mean you gotta eat my infinite blessings to you deadpool it's gotta be deadpool has to be within 200 feet of the vatican it's on like a shirt or like it's pretty trashy pretty quickly yeah it's gotta be i think so i'm gonna look up pope and deadpool just while in case there's any uh let's see uh well there's pictures there's somebody who like mashed him up who was a who was a pope deadpool well of course i like that costume reverent all right so there's yes hey in keeping with the spirit of the man himself. The man Deadpool.

And so in Deadpool's name. Jimmy Chonga. Jimmy Chonga. Wilson. I think you go to Kilimanjaro after this. Yes. Tanzania. Tanzania. I like that.

As I said, I like the smell here. Good smell. The grass. This is grass that I like. And it's good grass. And then, but digital animals, I don't know. They aren't all so bad. The running elephants is good.

They're close to you when your brain knows. They're better than Lion King slash Mufasa coming to theaters end of year. Well, that's true. But what isn't better? True, I mean, of all art on earth, what isn't better than the new lion king questions i'll get look i haven't seen mufasa yet maybe mufasa takes it to another level i don't know yeah well barry yeah barry jenkins said it's about uh empathy so there you go so if you want all right if you want a movie about empathy yes is the place for you i do want that um the great wall of china yeah the best

in my mind yeah this is the best scene beautiful and also makes me hunger for a little more thrill even and like the way they they because they did a very dangerous seeming dive by the wall yeah get you to really kind of feel like you're like gonna kick a guy in the head i think it's a cgi guy probably but uh uh you know what then it's one that i don't really notice if there's digital people in there i don't know that's invisible i don't know that to be a fact i was just guessing though but but um the way that it kind of soars you over that wall i think is real cool and i do go oh man wouldn't be fun if they like the whole thing was a little more of a thrill which there's a big what patent that was just filed for a more aggressive soren by disney oh that's the same i caught this in passing what it what can it do now that it basically can just

fuck you up and also sore you okay it sores you and fucks you up a little bit more wow so i think you can shake you around like a bad parent of a newborn? Yes. That is very much, that's the way the patent, the office has it listed. Imagine that you're a parent with no regard for your own- Yeah, yeah, yeah. The life you created. That's what this ride will do to you.

And it's also, you're an audio cue that says, I'm mad at you and I'm not going to tell you why. And then you launch. Like you can, it here it goes up it's like you start from this and then you can like you all i don't know how to even describe this it's like you're in the same row but then you can go up along the side essentially of this mechanism and i think it can like kind of drop you and put you up and then do more things with the seats so i think it is like kind of drop you and put you up and then do more things with the seats. So I think it has like range of motion on some level. There's some like extra level of functionality. Yeah, and I think maybe perhaps it can tip the seats itself or something.

I'm not sure. Fucked up Soarin'. Yeah, no, it looks like you can do that. You can like tip. There's a mechanism to like change the direction your actual like seats are going versus the way it is now where it's just you're all connected to the same contraption that moves you up or pushes you down a little bit there's just a very small range of movement it seems to be we wish they had this now so you could kick tinkerbell in the head get out of here you pissed yeah well maybe that's

what they're building the new version of it they'll do what we're all thinking but i i think this is the most effective use of the old technology making you feel like oh cool i'm really flying over this thing yeah well there's such like there's such levels they really like guide you along the dips of that particularly hilly section of the wall um yeah no very cool until the kite comes in and until the kite comes in i agree yes which then you you it's a bad cgi kite that transports you to a wonder of the ancient world you go to the great pyramids and it's like i don't need a hard transition it's the great pyramids you know yeah yeah let's not goof it up yeah I don't have much to say about that section it's great it's great

that's not on my short list of places to go I don't know if I'll make it there and if I do I certainly won't be able to like look at individual bricks on the very top of they really get you right in there yeah you feel like you could kick a brick you could individual bricks on the very top of, they really get you right in there. Yeah, you feel like you could kick a brick.

You could. It feels like you kick a brick off the top of the pyramids. Nail some idiot down at the bottom. It's, yeah, it's really, it's one of those where if you're on the right side or the left side, it feels like the pyramid is warped a little bit. Sure.

But it does, I don't know, there's something very, what is a word where you just imagine you know exactly what all the bricks feel like because it feels like you get so close.

Tactile? I guess tactile is the right one. You see like the dust. You see the dust. It's really cool and yes, you imagine

I'm holding one of these bricks. I know what it would be like to hold one of these bricks in my hand. I don't think they're going to let you do that if you go. They don't let you. Let's get that info out there. How much security is there by the pyramids?

Because it doesn't appear to be a ton. Well, they let me take a brick. Are you judging the lack of security on this ride footage? Do you think they deleted the security from... Is there a big perimeter on the pyramids? I think access is limited to the pyramids. How do they limit it? Don't go in there. It on the pyramids? I think access is limited to the pyramids. How do they limit it? Security?

Don't go in there. It's the pyramids. Armed guards? You think so? I mean, I guess they would have to because it's probably not, at this point, the most sturdy structure. But you think there's a big perimeter with guards and barbed wire? I'm not quite worried about the stability of the pyramids.

All right. I didn't mean to insult the stability of the pyramid. They didn't build them too good. Those things look dumb. I'm just saying they're old buildings. I think maybe political unrest would have more... There's a bigger chance the Luxor falls over in the next 10 years than any of the pyramids. Well, that's true.

I'm just saying though that like it's this building material. That could be within the week. That could happen any moment. Depending on, they're putting up a new Frito ad or a Dorito ad on it, and all the glass breaks from the weight of the sign, and they've got to close the whole place down forever. Do you think President El-Sisi of Egypt has been approached of like,

hey, would you do this? Would you do this on the Great Pyramid of Giza? A big Dorito, turn into a Big Dorito. Oh, for an ad, a big ad. Yeah, yeah. Big branded opportunity for the nation. I don't know. I don't think they've approached him,

and I think that's the problem. You know what would calm your political unrest? Gaming arena. Sure. I would love to game inside the actual pyramids. Yeah. That would fucking rock. Yeah, yeah.

It'd be so sick that most of these places on this ride you cannot bet inside of that's yeah that's a problem in terms of security the pyramids are heavily guarded 24 7 that makes sense yeah yeah did you think there was a there weren't security guards i would guess it's just interesting because i just had the thought where i'm like i wonder what it looks like i wonder what it looks like around there because it would be such a a protected site but yeah is it like is it like getting into uh city walk uh orlando where there's a security barrier you got to go through it you got to prove that you're not like you don't have a bag that says uh a brick bag that you're going to steal a bunch of bricks in, like an empty bag that could carry the weight of it.

I don't know. Yeah, a specially made, like something you carry wine bottles in, one that has the compartments. This is clearly for bricks. I think those bricks are pretty large. I'm sure they are. You got to have a big bag for one of them. Like a sedan-sized bag?

Are all the bricks sedan-sized? I don't know about all of them, but I think there's some pretty large ones. You get one of those. Well, I'm not going to, look, I'm not going to try to take the ones at the bottom. Yeah, no. What are you, foolish?

You got to go one from the top. Yeah, obviously, you have to climb all the way to the top before the, hopefully on that day, not so many armed guards. Right. And you get one of those mattress bags to put a mattress in when you're moving and you just get the king size you put them in one of those now that i look

at yeah what per jason's point yes look at the size of a person next to what we're referring to as bricks sedan size was right on the money all right two, two of the bags. I need a real big bag. Two of those king size magic bags. You might need to put the bag in another bag. That thing's not going to furl up too neatly. There aren't small bricks

in a pyramid? I do have this question. perhaps. I feel like you might have some smalls at the top. I think it takes all kinds. I think you got a number of, are there any small?

This is the most, anyone who actually thinks, like, are just cringing right now at this conversation if you know anything about the monarchy barbarian monarchists are mad at scott egyptologists are mad at mike well i say bring it on they do not respect our bricks they think that our bricks are small and not mighty they can easily topple the president lCC's cabinet is furious at me for invoking his name during such tomfoolery. Why'd you say it again?

Yeah. We're going to have to bleep all of those. You know, I would look, maybe there'll be like a world, I'll world travel one day and I'll go to the pyramids because I've always thought the pyramids were awesome. Like that's always been. I mean, it's obviously it's not, that's not an unusual thing to think. But still, perhaps I'll go one day and try to steal a brick. Don't tell anybody.

You're very confident about certain abilities of yours in the checking arena, but you think you're getting out of there with a brick? I guess. Maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm getting cocky. I guess I'm probably not getting out of there with a brick. It seems like there's heavily guarded. I really do.

Yeah, okay. Oh, wait. Most of the blocks wage when you find a dust. not getting out of there with a brick it seems like there's i really do i'm yeah okay oh wait yeah now i'm most of the blocks wage when you find it i'm like let's let's be clear i didn't think i was taking one from the bottom i knew those were bigger i didn't know they were all made up i feel the same way though and it's this is a hard thing to google quickly because the questions make me sound stupid but i do wonder are some of the pyramid bricks also small it goes to a point it's got to be smaller to get the big with the biggest ones up to the top how small are the ones on the top yeah what's the smallest pyramid because it would have to at least be i don't know like

24 inches on the one on the top am i crazy would it be like four feet how big does would have to at least be i don't know like 24 inches on the one on the top am i crazy would it be like four feet what how big does it have to be well now that i know that some of them are 25 tons all bets are off they might not be anywhere near as small as you're describing you need a whole brick can you just take a chip can i just take it well yeah of course you could chip a piece off one of the bricks. Sure. Because they have to be falling off here and there. But there's pyramids in Mexico. Yes, that's true. You could start there or start chipping.

I'm sure they'll love that. I could just try to steal a piece of the Luxor to get my abilities heightened, to get them sharpened. Just take a carrot top banner. Yeah. Well, I want a piece of the building. Take a body. I want a piece of the building. Oh, you want a piece of the building piece of the brick that built the Luxor

hmm but you would you settle for here let's let's let's compromise let's stennis compromise in the middle just go cut off a piece of carrot tops hair I mean that'd be cool to have right you might you know he cuz he in a way built the building with his show and that's comedy in his residency and how cool

would it be to have some of the famous carrot top of carrot top? Yes. That's one of the modern seven wonders of the world. I would like that, but I don't know that I'm ready for that type of heist. Mike, did you stay there when we were in Vegas? Did you stay? I did stay there one night, yes. Did you get to take the inclinator?

We told this whole story. It's one of the fucking scariest things in my life going up that inclinator. I this whole story yeah scary it almost scariest things in my life going up that i just need a reminder i just need a reminder because i'm like man i want to ride he almost died and jason didn't even care so scary it was so fast and rattly and it lasted forever and then the door didn't open right away and i was just like oh shit like i've never been and i've been in like those old elevators in an old building. Where you got to pull the. Yeah.

Yeah. Where you're just like, this makes me very uncomfortable. That was like a walk in the park compared to this. Sure. This felt like a runaway train, a rickety runaway train. I don't ride those. You still do after that? Well, I would like to ride a fully functioning one.

I don't know if we can promise you that. We can't guarantee that at the Luxor. It seems like that is the last thing they can guarantee. Well, when we go and we do the universal permanent horror night's maze, we'll all stay at the Luxor and you'll go up in that

and you will not. We will not do such a thing. I'm not saying not go. I'm not getting no inclinator. There's a small tower in the last 10 years. There's brand new hotel rooms that you can request, I think. You think the inclinator is fresh? I think that is a normal elevator as it is a normal rectangular building. That still doesn't make me want to stay at that shady, weird hotel.

It is so weird, yeah. A non-broken inclinator huh that fixes everything yeah okay um i okay that's that's giza wow boy have i never felt so stupid in front of the audience i was with you mike i thought some of the i thought some of them were small bricks if you know if you can make us feel less stupid and tell us yes yes, there are some small bricks, please do so because I feel humiliated now and Mike really should. So Taj Mahal. Beautiful.

Another beautiful, majestic place. Really nice. This is a nice place. I know this feels, I will complain and say that it feels a little too digitally clean. Unless that truly is the natural beauty of the Taj Mahal, but I don't think so.

Sydney feels a little eerily too digital cleaned up, and I think it really feels too digital cleaned up. Is this all digital? I don't want to say that. I just think it might not be. But it feels like it could be. I think the base is real, and then it's a lot of scrubbing yeah a lot of scrubby dub yeah yeah because that one feels definitely i still like the scene but

that's the one that most feels like cgi to me yeah yeah i really like that smell and i don't even i forgot the specifics with jasmine is that jasmine okay i think that's right great this is what i'm saying i think it's an. Yeah. And you kind of have to place it. Not that orange isn't unexpected. I just, look, there's no reason to pit them against each other. The smell game on these attractions is wonderful. Yeah. They really did it.

Jasmine is more subtle than the citrus scent. Yeah. Which is pretty intense. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Not in a bad way, but it's very forward. And you know what? Let's talk music really quickly,

because it's the same base of music based on the Jerry Goldsmith score. He, I believe, had passed away by the time the new score was being done, but it is certainly based on, it's like different iterations of the theme that he originally did. And I like the different little movements of it.

I like the more Indian influenced music in this part. I really like the Fiji, the South Seas. It almost feels like entirely new music, but still sort of tonally, and it's not the hardest shift. But that's such a big part of, like, that combo of smell and music shift, I think I feel the most transported in the Fiji section of any of these. That's maybe the second magic point. Yeah.

Where you're like, I can't help but be really immersed. And we've done water scenes also because we talked in the last one about how completely calm I feel in that dusk scene, the shimmering pink dusk sequence at the end of California. So the water game

that, you know, they gotta step it up if they're gonna do a water sequence in another Soarin', and think they they completely brought it i don't know if it's better but it's wonderful it's it's a different type of water scene and yeah water and greenery you know that's what i think that's just calming to most people like even the concept art or early pictures i've seen of the DreamWorks stuff, Universal Orlando, I'm like, oh my God, there's so much greenery back there. That's so smart.

That really looks like it elevates the experience, whether it's just play areas or not, you know? Yeah. I am. Oh, go ahead. I'm just kidding. I am seeing enough people on claiming that Taj Mahal is all CGI. Really? Really? I don't know. There's not an official source here, but everyone seems to believe that. I am seeing enough people on claiming that Taj Mahal is all CGI. Really?

Really? I don't know. There's not an official source here, but everyone seems to believe that. Well, look, if there is a theme, and we'll get back to this theme, I don't think we can automatically trust everything that we read about Soren on the internet. There's also some elements of the pyramid they some people feel those are the two most cgie really but don't you see at the end of the pyramids because i feel like you kind of see off into the city proper i don't know how close it is to the pyramids yeah that doesn't

feel certainly that feels to me more like we're getting some reality here but the taj mahal does feel like it could be completely cgi yeah it's a Yeah, it's a little too much of a sheen. Wait, I skipped ahead. Monument Valley. We go through one of the west and east mitten buttes. They look like big mittens, I guess, in Monument Valley, Arizona. This is another kind of Disney nod

because Monument Valley and those rocks are the basis of the Magic Kingdom version of Big Thunder Mountain. Yeah. So I like that they are nodding to the real world. It's like we're going backwards. We made fake versions of these things and now we go take you back to the real.

Cars 2, Monument Valley. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I suppose so. Big nod. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Might have to think that um there's a bird that whooshes by and it's stupid but uh uh lao islands in fiji great uh that transitions you to iguazu falls this is at the border of brazil and argentina this is a place that i have been

wow yeah early into aaron and i dating we took a really magical trip to i mean it was all great uh all argentina but in the dead center of it we went to igua zoo uh this is one of the coolest things i've ever seen in my life and i i it makes me so happy to see it on the ride and to get a little return and see it from a vantage point that you never could, though the vantage point that you get is unforgettable, and it's just this long, long series of catwalks, and we had a real boat and ATV adventure getting back. The whole thing was just such a big adventure, and I remember that that night we had just like a long, long romantic dinner,

wine-fueled, talking about God knows what. And at the end of it, all I know is that by the end of it, we were both feeling, this is the person I want to marry. Wow. We didn't say it out loud then, but we, I mean,

there were hints of that before, but we really knew it at Iguazu. And you like Soarin' Over California better after this is in the second version of the ride? Yeah, well, I don't know. Oh, my God. This makes me want to tip this over, I suppose. Wow.

Yeah, I don't know. I look, you know, incredible, indelible memories from your own life and travels, sure. But the balloon transition is so silly. That's great. I didn't even realize that story. The moon transition is so silly. That's great. I didn't even realize that story. Yeah, yeah. God, if you get the shit, that's a world travel.

This is one of the- High, high recommend. This scene is so cool. And this also. And the way the movement of the vehicle sort of pulls you back in that moment, I can't even describe it. Just the way in which sort of- Oh, like suddenly you stop. Because you know there hasn't really been a stop until exactly and they stop you right here and it

really emphasizes what like the scope of what you're seeing and how cool it is and get yeah music really hits there yeah that is the and you know what it's kind of that is the most that they just show natural beauty in the world and uh and you know what and you know because there's beauty throughout this but some of them are man-made landmarks and this is really just like hey this is god the earth god's creation speak for yes what god has done uh yeah this is awesome i this i've already said favorites maybe this is the best scene in all the sorens in a way wow i don't know i just it's so cool i think i mean i like i i can't apply my own feelings about this place to it because i mean i think fiji's wonderful and i think the dusk

no i know those are great too but there's something so yeah everything we just said the movement what about the scene in california where you're going over the 110 freeway and the footage is sped up by a thousand percent. And if you look at the cars for too long, you get a little bit dizzy. And it reminds you that the arena is now the crypto.com arena. And how bizarre that will always be unless that changes, unless that's ripped out in five months. That speed up, up i think was more novel in 2001 and then 2024 like we're too well because now they would plan on that and they'd shoot it in a way that accounted for that instead of right yeah it's it's it's i don't know it's

sort of awkward and it's yeah processing it kind of i do like this better than that yes yeah yeah no offense to the the 110 freeway that's just all it's also like it's a stressful place to be the one living in los angeles you try to avoid that freeway make you you try to make all of your decisions in your life to avoid that particular stretch of freeway yes like you fucked up if you're there. Yeah. Downtown LA is so much interesting, like cool history and architecture and all of this awesome stuff. It is such a pain in the ass to get down there. Yes, truly.

If you want like some of the biggest driving tests of your life to cut across six lanes of traffic on a freeway to get to an exit once you get dumped off like the 101 the go to the 110 that's that's where you're going to find some challenges the city all really breaks down yeah it's the nerve center and the nerves are decaying yeah i've done it enough now where i know the little there's a little tricks but i don't have to get into it now we're too deep into this episode yeah Can you instead describe the best way to get out of the Burbank Empire Center? I think that'd be much more of interest to us.

Oh, haven't we done that already? I think the listeners know. Go back towards the hotels. Yeah. Okay. Oh, great. Well, it's easy. Then it's quick.

And then there's lights. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Great. Yeah. I wanted to give some tip. Thank you.

Yeah. Bendy Eiffel Tower tower we talked about yeah um and here's where we start getting different between the locations yeah um because disney disneyland california has the horrible wretched tinkerbell appearance the absolutely vile appearance uh of the she devil herself um epcot you get okay no wait a minute was it when it was the california ride film did you just go to disneyland at the end of it and that was a little like so then you get to go across the country and that's fine but then seeing like the like the epcot of your dreams the purple pink perfect epcot now now preserved before they did all that stuff in communicor you get to like when you're

on this ride you get to go to epcot circa 2006 i forget when they did it uh but it's you know i don't know it's a beauty it's a wonderful spaceship Earth. That's all I'm saying. I, yes, I, if I could choose, I would always go to the Epcot one. Just seeing Epcot at night. It's interesting the Disney seat doesn't have a ton of nighttime lighting.

I think because it's meant to, it looks tasteful, but it's not like super lit up like epcot is did you get that sense when you were there like you mean just in general the lights at night the lights at night seem to make sense for all the areas but from above it wasn't that bright maybe you're going over the big body of water so there's not like a lot lighting it i mean yeah there was a lot of light i don't know it's my memory of it is that everything was perfect so yes yeah no the memory is that it's the greatest place i've ever been more than iguazu maybe i mean aaron might agree with that. I will just, there is truly, there is a feeling I get when just hearing the word DisneySea. It's just, it's unreal. Which to that end, we can go back to

other ride films, but in DisneySea, you know, this is one of the main things motivating doing a version that is not entirely set in California, that they wanted to open it there uh soaring fantastic flight in asia they stopped doing the n apostrophe yeah presumably is not something there is an equivalent of in any of those languages quite a translation uh so soaring it is there um and if you can imagine uh disney c did a version that's in the coolest looking building you've ever seen with the coolest architecture and set design you've ever seen and incredible columns and every corner of the room you look at is really cool and it makes you profoundly jealous that there is not really anything that good in the california parks at least and and you say like a full new story

tied to a new character i didn, I didn't say it. Tied into C, the Society of Explorers and Adventurers? We get a new, and now, okay, now here is where we do depart from our beloved Patrick, flight attendant Patrick, who, by the way, since the last episode, returned to the role, did a little video at the California Adventure Soarin'. It's nice to see him again. Nice to see him saying all the stuff again and talking about the strap.

So that was cool. However, they just, I mean, I like Soarin'. I'll always like Soarin', it doesn't matter. But Soarin' is a little bit of an industrial ride. Yes. You're kind of in a factory. You're sort of looking at walls and there is a man who could be in a pre-flight a real

pre-flight video telling you real pre-flight information here we are transported to a wondrous world where an inventor uh like a woman from the past passionate about flight a dreamer weaves tales of fantastical flying machines and doodads and she's got a magical bird with her and there's magic tricks in the pre-show god she's i want this one it's so good i uh she's got a paint yeah she comes to life in a painting and there are all these like shadows on the wall in the pre-show that i imagine in i mean it reads in a video anyway but can you imagine in person how great that i bet that effect is like oh my god that's a screen i'm sure you don't know until that second well and the bird is shadow and then it flies into the painting and it's an actual falcon and then goes back and

goes back to shadow yeah yeah yeah it's incredible it's so's so great. It's real with little magic tricks and that the pre-show is unbelievable and it kind of tops the other iterations pre-shows. We're in the territory of their Tower of Terror. Yes. Yeah, we have it so good. Why can I not say all this and say, and that's neat.

Why am I saying it with the tone of like, God damn it. Ah, they got it all. Jealousy. Yes. My anger is unmaskkable it's just there i want to be able to go on this version more often maybe one day camellia falco will be in that sea television show if it ever gets made yeah and she'll be able to turn to the camera and go uh

is that even a thing she'll be able to get the bird that's like a consolation prize yeah she'll be able like the bird will land on her hand and she'll go oh that just happened that's with access to all of our flying machines and time travel possibilities we must go and harvest the best quips from all eras of time and all of the best quips come from the year 2014 and beyond let's scour the commercials of 2014 the advertisements to find it's like let's scour the advertisements of 2019 to see what the movies and films of 2013 were doing my whirly gigs and birds don't just fly now they fly always they fly now yeah of course uh i it's so cool i almost want to do i i don't want to do episodes on any of this stuff because i want to go but also yeah i don't know you want to go on it first well shanghai has a different

story too you got a tribe that graces you with the power of flight well we gotta do so you meet another magical woman you meet a shapeshifter it's a whole other like and she turns into a bunch of stuff and she she turns into an eagle and a frog and a hummingbird because they have to make it that's the first soren in a castle park they had to make it fantastical enough to fit in a place that's all world of wonder. They couldn't just do a hangar. And it seems like they did a really great job. You would give up Patrick for this?

For Camellia, yes. The other one seems neat. You have to have it both coasts. I have to? Yes, that's my question. you have to have it both coasts I have to? I think my ideal version would be that it's Patrick and California in California forever but

it wouldn't make any sense and it already doesn't make a lot of sense in the land let's be honest I don't think that suddenly like you know yeah right next to that like unpleasant restaurant to be in that you gotta, then you go meet Camellia Falco.

So I don't know. I don't know. They can stay what they are. I just, just build this one too. That's what I want. Two Sorens. They gotta build that Disneyland forward area. Just give me another Soren.

Give me the Camellia Falco one. It'll be fine. Got it. It's worth doubling up. Nice. So that's, what have we missed there um you oh to wait now tokyo wait a minute in which oh oh they replace paris with uh just a view of tokyo at night they don't they don't do paris and their and the falcon appears several times at the beginning in the end so you have So you have magical characters running throughout.

That's what you're saying. You wanted a beginning and end. There you go. But isn't it like, if you knew Tinkerbell was coming, then she showed up at the end and you'd just say, oh, Tinkerbell again.

Shanghai also- You would be confused. Shanghai doesn't fly over the park. It flies over the cityscape at night of Shanghai. And you go right past the shanghai world financial center the world's tallest building with a hole it is there you go i was i did have to rewind once or twice and go like does that building have a giant hole on a big hole in it it's not a problem it was it was meant to have one i love the giant buildings with the hole

at top or in the middle it's's a very cool building, yes. It's cool. Well, I think this loops us back around to the original point. And let me just kind of reset the stage a little bit of how we came to this point. So we did an episode about Soarin' Over California back in September. And, you know, when you think of funny trivia about this ride, one of the things you definitely think of is this thing of Michael Eisner being the golfer who hits the golf ball that flies at you

in the Palm Springs sequence of that ride. And I went into the episode not with any intention to, like, it had never occurred to me to like that there could be anything up with that fact i just i was like i want more i want more eisner as always and i want like photos of him doing it i want him sizing up golf clubs i want video of him getting ready i want the movie surfers talking to him on the set of so we're here on the set of soren yeah with disney's big cheese michael eisner um so you're playing the golfer today tell me about that um you know i just i wanted more to bring to the table but what i

started finding was kind of distressing to me and i'd gotten kind of a preview of this recently with this other issue that had come up that It's still kind of unsolved. Does Space Mountain have fans that simulate the speed of the ride? And so I'd gotten a little practice with that. And, you know, we've been doing this show for a long time now. We get our sources from, you know, we source information from like particular sources that we trust. You know, people like Jim Hill, theme park historian jim hill that's a that's a place where we turn a lot but with as with the fans with this issue i was just not

finding yeah any sources that i trust i was finding a lot of things that i'd put in the category of that it's a really poorly designed website with lots of ads that look like the way ads uh started looking 12 years ago. And they'll be called like, you know, Dizbloggymommies. And you're getting four of those ads at once. Yeah, yeah, yes. No, I have to clear out all of the ads from all directions of the browser. Yeah, yeah, yes.

No, the thing's about to explode so that I can even clear them away to see the name Dizbloggymommies. Dizbloggymommies.mouse. That's the kind of thing that I'm looking at. And I'm like, I don't know. I'm just not seeing enough of the kinds of sources that I think are credible. And there might be. I'm just not seeing them there. And I want to know definitively. And I want to encourage these places to not be in the the to be like jim hill and not like this bloggy mommies let's make sure we know these things let's back them up with with photographic evidence um so i decided to turn to a source that we all trust and that is jim hill people might have seen this uh online not long after our episode came out i said uh let's get down to business jim hill do you believe or can you back up that michael eisner is the golfer on soren and he presented a couple of thoughts that were sort of in my avenue of not necessarily uh believing it here's here's the thing that he said well first of all uh somebody said at bfse sq said i hope my heart doesn't get broken i've always believed this and uh that

brings me to to a point because i asked the audience what do we think soren golfer is eisner not eisner 60 of our audience said they believe this is Michael Eisner. Where do you guys put it? I don't know. Where have you landed in your personal belief system in this area? I don't think it's him. I think you did a good job. You've landed it.

I did not get anywhere definitive. No, I know. And now we're getting closer to the potential actual information. But I was listening to the episode. I went, oh, that's probably not. I would love to i went oh that's probably not i would love to be wrong uh-huh i would i don't i would love to be wrong i mean what a victory it would be for all of us in a couple minutes if that's where this went maybe it's where it's going jason i would love to believe it's eisner but i think we've encountered so many things of conventional wisdom just being like disney

storytelling kayfabe oh sure oh isn't that interesting that's so perfect and it's like yeah it's too perfect yeah it's not a little too perfect yes so yeah i asked audience and 60 of them believe it's eisner now i'm going to solve the mystery of something that might have seemed out of nowhere that I tweeted a couple days ago. I asked the podcast the right audience on Twitter. This is going to seem heavy and out of nowhere, but it's information we need for a future episode. Here goes. Do you believe in God? I was wondering what this was.

I didn't tell you guys what it was about every every now and then like like sometimes i just plum forgot like the inclinator or like the fake soren discussion but i was like why did we reading about soren around the world and i'm like oh we're not doing a god episode i've heard no people are wondering does this mean we're going back to to the encounter or something? No, no, no. I wanted to compare contrast. The Eisner belief versus the belief in God. Amount of listeners who believe in God, definitively. There's no way this is not accurate. According to the online poll, 31%.

Wow. 31% of Podcast the Ride listeners believe in God. 60% believe that Michael Eisner is the golfer and soren that is the kind of is that does that double that is dumb yeah yeah uh that that is that is what we are uh tampering with here this is a deep more deeply held belief yeah yeah some of the most deeply held beliefs that have ever existed on the globe that is what we are starting to poke at to go back to talking about aliens and uap and all this stuff some people feel that this is information as far as aliens concerned or interdimensional travelers that should not be revealed to the public because

what it will do to them would be so catastrophic it would affect their belief system it would it would completely turn people's brains upside down so the big argument that people say the people in the whatever the secret government make is we cannot do this this is too important we have to keep it quiet we cannot tell people what's actually going on so i'm not saying you should follow this as well when it comes to this eisner reveal but that's what some people believe, maybe, as far as the actual disclosure of aliens or interdimensional travelers.

That's just silly. Now, let's just all take a quick peek inside this ark that I've been sitting next to this whole show. No! I don't know. You raise an interesting point, Michael, and now that you've said it, you know what?

You survive Podcast The Ride. That's the end of this episode. This will never be discussed. Oh, okay. And now that you've said it, you know what? You survive podcast the ride. That's the end of this episode. This will never be discussed. Oh, okay. I feel good about that. No, no, no. We got to turn everybody's brains upside down or not. Or we confirm what everybody and me, the silly skeptic, is proven wrong.

But I start to get a little bit of fuel here because Jim Hill's backing me up a little bit. This person says, I hope my heart doesn't get broken. He says, what concerns me about this story is, well, have you ever seen a photo of Michael Eisner playing golf? I mean, the guy's an obvious sports enthusiast. But when I just Googled Michael Eisner and golf, not a single image of Disney's former CEO holding a club came up. Now, we kind of discussed this in the episode. This is one of my things. When I went fishing in this supposed camp interview with larry king i didn't find that instead i found him talking

to charlie rose and saying that he doesn't even like golf and then uh madam jumbo jumps in there and the actual character from tumbo jumps into the replies and finds this from disney war eisner had neither the time nor patience for golf, though he'd occasionally played with his father and had a decent swing. Six months after joining Bel Air, he had yet to set foot on the course. Joins a country club because that's what you do

when you're a CEO, but never put a spiky golf shoe into the grass. So I don't know. Jim is adding to it a little bit but still it does not get definitive here is the biggest thing that jim hill does uh in this conversation he uh brings up uh he okay quote jim hill thank you jim okay i just pulled out the media source book i was handed by the disneyland resorts pr team when i attended the grand opening of dca back in february of 2001 first of all jealous of that would love to see that oh yeah jim the places you've been grander than igua zoo uh and this book says that rick

rothschild directed the original iteration of soren let me reach out to him and see uh rick rothschild is a name i was familiar with maybe we even brought it up in regards to soren before uh this is an imagineering legend here are some of the things he was part of american adventure alien encounter star tours the adventures continue he led the team that came up with the idea for captain eo the backstory of captain eo where they had to think of three ideas to present to michael jackson and george lucas and one of them was a peter pan thing and thank fucking christ that one didn't get picked uh but instead they landed on one that at the time they were calling the intergalactic music man and michael and george were like that one for sure

yeah and uh rick rothschild made that happen, led to that happening. And then most pertinent to us is that he directed the Soren Ride film, which I did not realize until Jim brought this up. So now we've got a pretty particular source that we can start working with here. And I await Jim reaching out to Rick to come up with this answer. This does not happen. And I don't hold this against Jim, a busy man. Sure. As am I, frankly, but also

I had to fucking know this. This has been eating me up. You guys said, let's do Soarin'. I'm like, I do not want to do that Soarin' 2 until we know this for sure. So I realized I had to make the connection, but Rick is not on a lot of the social media. I had to get on what i would call a not primary piece of social media in order to reach out to imaginary legend rick rothschild and right as we were recording an episode about phantasmic

a couple of weeks ago wow i opened a tab and like we were i was probably in the middle of a sentence and i just happened upon my email and I saw you have received a written message from Rick Rothschild and I had to keep talking as if that had not happened and like I wasn't very excited. Whoa, so professional. Yes, that shows you the kind of things, you know, it's like talking through an earthquake,

like not even letting it get to you. Yeah. Who knows? The allure of tabs, like even in the midst of a wonderful recording session. You try to not. Gotta get a new tab. Yes, I know.

Dazzling new information could be behind any turn or, you know, more deals for toys and cereal and stuff too. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how you turn off the notifications while we're doing this, frankly. I've only bought a thing maybe once or twice while doing the podcast you have purchased items once or twice oh i wish i knew what they were yeah i have not for a long time okay well that's good you've been in the game you know i've been in zoom era look everybody got bored in zoom certainly in zoom area um yeah but anyway uh yes mid, I discovered that I had gotten the answer from great imagineer Rick Rothschild.

He was there. We finally have an in-person source. Are we ready to open the arc and discover the answer? Oh, my God. The official answer. This is where I had a feeling it was going to either you got the call sheet or you talked to a crew member. Yes.

You know what? And I was pursuing another lead, and I want to shout out the people who were helping me with the lead. But let me do this one first, the big one, my correspondence with Rick Rothschild. Okay. So, you know, he said, thanks for the note. Appreciate it. I complimented on some things. And then we got into the business.

Here we go. The answer is that it is a myth only. Wow. Wow. There it is. There it is. The full message. Michael was not one of the golfers in the sequence we shot at the PGA West golf course in Palm desert. What Michael did contribute was the additional financing to add a few final

CG effects after screening my initial cut of the film. One of which was the golf ball that comes roaring up at us from the golfer who's teed off. And you of course know that when we added the golf ball, I asked for the Mickey to be placed on it. It was our not so subtle Mick hidden Mickey in in the film thank you for your nice comments we talked a little more he gave me permission to read that on the show thank you rick there you have it wow wait michael eisner is not the golfer but in spirit well this is i know and as if people are feeling crushed by this news as if crushed by one of the

now we know very heavy bricks from the pyramids of giza though i don't think there's some that aren't so heavy uh but um if if that info is depressing uh or shatters your your dreams as people have said on i think jason is right uh i think that by his approving that shot and making the ball fly at the camera isn't that in some way him hitting the golf ball there would have been no golf ball without michael eisner giving the corporate okay and allowing for that uh that effect to be added so in a way isn't he the golfer in soren the answer is no but it sounded like a nice thing to say i thought i would cheer people up if i said something like that like lisa giving the book report about springfield and looking out and seeing everyone's faces well

look jason story that's something that you said uh online when I was in pursuit of this information. You said this is like the classic Simpsons episode, Lisa the Iconoclast, in which she learns that Jebediah Springfield, the namesake of the town, the founder of the town, was in fact a murderous pirate and that everyone's myths about him were false and she goes to interrupt the the big celebration of him uh where they they affirm that a noble spirit and biggins the smallest man and she has to get this information out and when the moment comes she can't bring herself to do it because the myths about jebediah have meaning too and that's why i would like to say michael eisner was michael Michael Eisner was great I've been doing some research and Michael Eisner was great I just wanted to say that

I just wanted to get that off the show I think look there should have been a line in John Lennon's Imagine like where he's saying imagine there's no religion you know everybody would be living in peace today. Well, maybe this is a similar situation. Imagine people don't have the misconception that Michael Eisner hit the golf ball.

Like, what would the world be like today? They'd be all living. Maybe it's actually something that's bad. Maybe it's a belief that's actually holding humanity back. And what you've done now is free everyone from it i hope so you are a uap coming coming back and opening our minds i don't know what that is but yes isn't that mike's that's well that's the term for like a ufo oh okay all right well i'm not i'm not i'm no mike on this point I don't know. So maybe what you've done now is you've opened the eyes of the world,

and perhaps society will be better from now on. I'd like to think so. I'm trying to figure out how. I mean, I think that while we don't know his name, we now are not ascribing false qualities to Michael Eisner and taking away the excellent swing work of a great day player actor who we were not nearly close enough to see the face of.

And I wish that I could attribute that person better, but if that person's out there and that's your father or someone who matters to you, then now we can make sure that he gets his due. I mean, not in the way, not by name or anything, but just think, there is an actor out there who was never given the proper credit, and now we can make sure that he gets his due. I mean, not in the way, not by name or anything, but just think, there is an actor out there who was never given the proper credit, and now we can do it.

You know, we got to shine more light on the day players of the world and less on the CEOs, even the ones who we love. I completely agree with you. And there's two things, yeah. At the very least, I would like to know the name of the actor who swung the golf ball. Number two, I want to find out who

created this rumor yeah and i want to get revenge yeah for giving us this false hope of this fun thing yep that we've all been you know because yeah think about that before you get mad at me before the torches come for me yeah really it should be mad at whoever lied about exactly and everybody who is complicit in that game of telephone that's been going since the mid-2000s. I really do wonder, where did this come from? Exactly. Was it a conflation of, did somebody, was it a game of telephone of the story that Rick told me? Right.

Where that was a special little touch that Michael Eisner made possible. And then a couple steps later, it becomes that he is the one hitting the golf ball. Very possible. Is it just like one of the guides, the Disneyland guides or something made it up? Like, I don't know. Like, it could be anything. I hope that person was rooted out for their lies. Yeah.

Because, you know, look, it seemed like a more innocent time in the early 2000s, but now that we live in the era of fake news and falsehoods, and this was, you know, this is going to have a big impact on our upcoming election if we don't start, you know, rooting out lies and untruths.

You know, these things happened. You know, September 11th happened. A guy who isn't Michaelisner hitting a golf ball happened that's right not everything is subjective i agree and i think jim hill we call on you now to find the offender and to seek the ultimate revenge yeah. Mike is waving around that Bowie knife he usually has when recording. Jim, you know what to do when you find out this person who created this vile rumor. Yeah. Initiate Operation 4, which is where a blunt object is fired from a large distance at the

head of a liar. Well, I call it Operation That's It Exactly. He knows what I'm talking about. I mean, whoever did this undermines the entire thing. You know, these stories, you know, is that not what this, sure, this podcast became about rants and jokes and sidetracks, but did it not start as a place for us to tell the facts that we know that we've only told to our significant others who we are bruising in the seats next to us as we pound into their legs don't you know

that's interesting we decided to take that and try to get an audience who wanted to hear it right that's what this whole thing was originally based in is telling these sharing the uh you know passing along the oral history of these same three stories that are told about every ride and to learn that one of them was fake i know was completely fake for all this time the whole to quote sally field and mrs doubtfire the whole time the whole time the whole time that's how i feel i'm sally filled it up and uh and that's and i agree so before you get mad at me we need to because this this person this rat who started this wrong story yeah threatens to undermine the whole thing now it's

like we can't trust the you know i mean thank god some that the breck eisner stories uh uh come from tony himself a source that we trust because otherwise i say if we if we can't pin these stories to a specific person who's who we love and we're true we trust over many decades then we got to question everything how high up do you think do you think josh demaro knows that it's not eisner do you think he knows do you think he i mean he's heard it at the very least do you think why why do you bring up him i just wonder like do people in the company actually believe this? Because this rumor, again, felt like fact. Of all the different things we ever talk about, this one felt like the most

fact. It had never occurred to me before the episode. I didn't expect to end up on this journey. I didn't expect to ultimately be the whistleblower on this. Although now that I am, listeners, please go update all pertinent Wikipedias and source me and Podcast the Ride. Appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, and for now, just say, whoever made the lie, we've got top men looking into it. The top man. Jim Hill. Jim Hill. Disney blogger slash assassin.

Jim has that on his business card I assume That's where he's been making his money all these years Yeah He uses one of those Galaxy's Edge lightsabers Well and he has the John Wick He has the gold coins He also has gold coins It will give you one hotel room or one assassination.

Right, right, right. If your back's up against the wall, you could turn anything into a weapon. Well, sure. Yeah, we got to get him on it. And, you know, I hope that this information is more interesting than it is disheartening. I hope that I haven't shattered anybody's uh vision of anything here but one thing i just want to say for all the talk about like theme park journalism i feel like i actually went yeah you did journalism this is crazy that we can actually be a source on this thing yeah yeah uh people might be angry at us but uh i don't know uh Yeah, we actually, maybe for the first time,

we revealed something that is actually our, that's really the victory of it here. The things that we squeeze people's legs to make sure they know about, finally one of them comes from us. Right. Did you know that that golfer is not Disney CEO Michael Eisner?

It's some guy whose name we don't know. What are you telling me this it seems like i need more context no actually i'm mostly yes i would believe that most people on screen in a movie are like an actor or something yeah well him too why would it be him well i don't know because for decades people said otherwise but in fact okay uh it's it's like a within theme park where it doesn't this doesn't matter to almost anybody but it's like proving that the thing about like the munchkin hanging himself in the wizard right right that's not true it's like one of the like it's like we found one of these long-held things and actually we're we're able to turn it over and i apologize i'm gonna try to do this really

quickly because i when when all was seeming lost on this and i was seeing nothing but disbloggy mommy's saying no it's him. People even told me that I've got definitive proof that it is him. Really? And then didn't really follow up with it. So let me please credit. Call out the people who said that. Because I was Googling it and somebody said, contrary to popular belief, the golfer is not Michael Eisner.

And I reached out to this person. And let me see. David Quintanilla is the who is on Instagram and does a lot of great parks posting. Actually, let me try to find their handle. Apologize for the cut. Any of this, if it's clunky. QS underscore trips trips people might be following david already great uh disney photos and factoids and info um and when i reached out

he said hey i'm a fan of the show oh and i know this because i know somebody who works at the parks and has access to imaginary archives and they were on the case about maybe I was wondering if this was going to lead to like finding the call sheet or something right um so that was like uh on the way uh didn't it but I but I think they they would have been the source on this so I I did have a a backup and somebody and David thank you for uh for giving me hope uh when I was feeling insane about it but now we all know and only that, I reached out to David, and he said, you know what? Really love the show, and also you're right about that thing about queues.

Every queue is ultimately skippable. So I'm feeling fucking great at this point. Let's bring him on. Bring him on. Bring him on the show. Defend your position. I'm going to send Jim Hill after him so I think that's that

do we feel okay I mean I ask that to the listeners too do we feel now that we've shattered something bigger than belief in God the only reason I feel okay is that I know that sometime hopefully fingers crossed this year the three of us will have to separately read Michael Eisner's camp and then do an episode so I feel like i have fun eisner things to look forward to

what if we get into that like one of us reads the abridged version and we're like okay well interesting heartwarming tales the man is fascinating and weaves a great story and then one of us reads the unabridged and it's like, he says it's him. The proof has been in camp this whole time. Wow. If you ever see anybody out there, if you ever see, if that rat Rick Rothschild ever says, it's not me.

Just know I put it in recorded, right? And please do not ever abridge this publishers of camp. Do not over my dead body. Do you take this out of the book? I, um, you know,

talk about doing things while recording. I borrowed both the ebook and the audio audiobook while we were great you had to you had to get ahead of the line i oh yeah especially when this episode comes out there's gonna be a big rush yes in all in all library digital systems across america yeah uh has has there any did they try to adapt camp into any sort of show young michael or do you think that's what the movie camp i don't think it was the same i don't know i don't think that's what that was but i'm just saying michael has company now they make cartoons and stuff what's why not yeah all right all right camp let's let's party way you want it, that's the way you need it.

And then he's making out with a couple babes. Sure, yeah. And that's the story of how I saved summer. Summer Camp Island, the Cartoon Network show, is not based on Mike Leiser's book. I feel like I say that definitively. But the things we thought were definitive, now who knows if any of them are.

Maybe that whole thing has been ripping off stories from camp this entire time. I don't believe anything. I believe nothing. I drop a coffee mug and the bottom says, actually, it is the basis for summer camp. How else are we supposed to think of a bunch of camp stories? Make them up? No. We had to steal them from Michael Eisner's book. Well, there you have it. We did it.

You did it. You, Scott, did it. Give him a round of applause it give him a round of applause give him a round of applause thanks it really it overtook me you know

did I make it to you know yarn all over my apartment not quite yeah but I was going to if some of these things didn't come through

sure so I thank Rick Rothschild for coming through and for all the amazing stuff he did that shaped our childhoods indelibly and for Soren the camp is to come for now you survived podcast the ride

uh for three bonus episodes every month check out podcast the ride the second gate or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier club three you will find all of that at patreon.com slash podcast the ride as if I wasn't uh feeling good enough uh this week. If you missed it live, the Netflix show, Everybody's in L.A., John Mulaney's show aired all throughout this week. And I don't actually know if my segments have aired, but at least one of them has. If you go and find a segment about Terrence Howard's math theories, that is one of the pieces. Oh, great.

Well, then you'll like this one uh when you make it to it an honor to do it a full credit uh writing and amazing jokes to this great uh writer and stand-up langston kerman uh honored to work with him and he's great in the piece too the other one i don't know if i can say but our buddy ryan perez is in it i'm really really proud of it one of the coolest things i've ever gotten to do uh so check that out on netflix us at patreon.com slash podcast the ride and if this closes out kind of the soren conversation proper i think that we have to end it the way soren ends in a way that's very similar to the way that most uh airplane uh commercial airplane flights end which is all right you may now uh

remove your safety restraint you know what, clack, clack, clack, clack. Clackety, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack. You know what I mean, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The unbelievable cacophony. The man is, yeah. You are now allowed to clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack. Get me out of here. Boy, that was a fun ride.

Yeah, but I want fucking out now. Clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack. Forever Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson, Jason Sheridan, Scott Gairdner, Brett Boehm, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey. For more original podcasts, please visit foreverdogpodcasts.com and subscribe to our shows on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or

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