Podcast: The Ride - Soarin' Over California

Episode Date: September 8, 2023

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It may contain hypothetical buttons with earth-shattering consequences, fierce debate over golfer identities, and little sailor suits. Okay, let's review. No CGI, buttons, golfer, sailor suits, anything else? Oh yeah, have a nice flight. It's Soarin' Over California on Podcast the Ride. Welcome to Podcast the Ride, the only podcast that releases special scents to complement each host's introduction. So get your phone nice and close to your face if you really want to get them. And you might be at this point sensing a full-bodied Chardonnay with hints of apple and pear and a buttery finish. That'd be me, Scott Gairdner. Hello. Hope that's a nice one for you.

Oh, that's kind of dissipating And now we're getting what is this You know what it smells like is a Six course family style dinner With roasted meats mashed potatoes And gravy and fresh baked rolls That's the preferred meal Of a solo adult man on his way to the Airport Mike Carlson hi I'm

Here and you're forgetting of course the special ingredient To that scent perspiration Because the meal has to be finished fast so that is the secret ingredient to that delicious scent everyone is smelling right now yeah yeah yeah well assuming you're hearing this early towards the end of the day maybe some of the you know it's it's dripped away and you're not getting that full perspiration but you know you get a crisp in the morning you're getting the scent um oh and this one god this one's a little hard to place, but now I'm getting it. Oh, and here. I think I know it.

I think it's Big Old Blunt. That's Jason Sheridan. I was wondering if it was going to be that or Nathan's hot dog on a flat top grill. Oh, that's not a bad one. Yeah, yeah, sure. Hot dog water. Hot dog water. Hot dog water and chocolate chocolate starfish that'd be good for the the

spray effect is uh getting hit with some hot dog water oh yeah well we hope you enjoy that because that's we think it's the scents that really make this podcast a great podcast um and here we are back from a little break on the main feed and we're coming back with a big ride who says we don't do big rides on this show damn it whoever said that is a fool and a liar and uh and we're and we're we have it out for you now we're doing a big ride how's it feel yeah i'm mad at you everyone who's listening for saying things about me and these accusations yeah so but uh but you're gonna enjoy this but just know i'm mad i'm you can hear it in my voice it's for you to enjoy but for us to be upset us to be angry for making us stick to the premise of our own podcast um no

it does it does feel good it feels good to be doing like a back to basics a big blockbuster one but it's also we're doing it like we do it in 2023 with some uh divisions of course yes there have to be which i think is it's in everyone's best interest because it creates more episodes i mean and that's the better way to do it like could we do a single five hour about all soren possibly yeah um but uh the voices go at a certain point and uh our our children uh cry for us yeah um so uh so we'll break it up and but you know what i also think i think we don't have to be so so crazed about the last thing we need here is another haunted mansion style fiasco right so uh let's just why don't we just we'll talk for 90 minutes to two hours we'll see it'll be roughly

soaring over california this is how we've presented the title right we don't get through all so maybe some california drips into uh drips into world or fantastic flight or whatever you want to call flight the other ones. Did you get to do it? No, it was not open yet. No, no. Okay, okay. But oh my goodness, that queue.

Yeah. Boy. Yes. That looks good. Does it? I don't know. I don't want to start off underselling what we have here in California and what we chose, but is it somehow better to you than uh photos of old aviators

old like that's the north of bearfield like a museum on a budget you mean yeah it's not a real museum yeah perhaps yeah yeah oh severe budget i should say not even a budget uh original character camellia falco is that her name yeah that is uh it's close at least if it's not the right name it is it's close but does she keep her urine in jars like howard hughes i don't think so but do you but have you been in the queue do you know do they address if a camellia falco who's in c the society of explorers and adventurers maybe they do say she keeps her pee in a jar. I don't know. I mean, I sincerely doubt it.

They got those crazy futuristic toilets in Japan. Well, they do now, but she's from the past. She's from the past. She might have had no choice. I can only assume she would have some steampunk really gig sort of contraption for waste. Steampunk toilet? Steampunk toilet?

Yeah, so you pee in there and the steam shoots out and it powers another part of your plane maybe yellow steam then your then your plane is powered by your own yellow steam yes that's the process that camellia falco invented but we have an original character in this that's true we'd see flight attendant patrick and it is a legit popular, very popular character. I'd say so. One of the most beloved original theme park characters. Does he play on a simple television set and not an eye-popping holographic effect? Or not hologram. That's not the word.

I wouldn't think. I don't know what it is. That's how eye-popping the effect is. But, you know, we're not here to be jealous of and chase after a ride that isn't close to us. Right. But hey, it's something to look forward to in the next one, whenever we get to world. But let's just, you know what?

This will be, we'll try to get through California. And if some world creeps in, then it does. And if some California creeps into the other, because it's all one thing, ultimately. Yeah, the ride itself isn't really that different no and and thank god because i think when there was a redo there were some basics that you don't want to lose i didn't want i wasn't ready to lose chief flight attendant patrick right i wasn't ready to lose the score or at least the basis yeah of the score so it feels like they know what this

franchise is what are the the things that make the franchise, the franchise? Yeah. I mean, there was definitely a period of time in the park where they could have replaced the score with a red hot chili peppers track, um, just to see what it would be like,

but they didn't do it. And I don't think that's going to happen now. Well, they got, they got letters about, I'm sorry. Well, they got one letter about it.

Uh, it's a signed Michael Carlson. Yeah. Um, I guess the one letter wasn't enough i i i synced up uh three different uh tracks from red hot chili peppers stadium arcadium just to show them what it would be like i enclosed that in a hard drive that i sent in a letter the bomb squad immediately blew it up in a controlled explosion they knew what it was too they didn't think it was a bomb that's why yes they knew what it was sir i'm not seeing any

actual bomb capability no no no that's not what this is about blow it's a different kind of mission we're sound guarding guys destroy it yeah so yeah they kept the core stuff that we like um and it's core stuff i will say i like a lot i'm a big soren person i don't i now this it'll keep it interesting if this is like a debate episode i don't know if you guys are not as hot on soren but i'm i'm pretty hot on soren uh this is a good question because i i am hot for soren but as, Soarin' is an e-ticket, I would say, right? I don't think you'll find any debate in that respect. About e-ticket?

Yeah, yeah. But as far as the e-tickets, I do feel like maybe it's the one I go to the least. Sure. Of all of them, and I was trying to analyze why that might be.

Mm-hmm. So I don't want to say, I feel a little bit wrong saying I'm so hot for soren when it's not something that i go to every time i'm there i don't make a point to try and do it every time i don't know if i do either the i think it's one where you gotta you gotta watch that line pretty hard oh you got and this is a struggle i think it's had the whole time i think in the early days in california where it was the whole time. I think in the early days in California,

where it was the only good thing to do in California Adventure, that wait time is getting way up there, inordinately up there. And it is not the most interesting line. No. There's things that I love in the line. Sure. But you know how it is. It's a line where you might get stuck in the same spot

for a good stretch of time. And the spot might be a little bit claustrophobic. Yeah. As opposed to, I would essentially wait any amount of time for Radiator Springs Racers, especially in single rider, which moves pretty, because it's just a nice place to be. This is one of the e-tickets where I might say the line is not necessary to do ones wow wow because you're not what are you missing wow right i can't believe my ears i'm definitely so there's one i'm saying out of all the like e-tickets because like yeah what are you missing you're missing like the theme

from apollo 13 played for a couple minutes for the like the natural some of them aren't even like about right it's like american president or something playing yeah i think so for that just generally stirring music you get to hear that wasn't all made for this i think true i saw dragon heart i think there's one song at dragon heart that is played at most theme parks yeah in my, a number of miniature golf courses. Is that really? Because it's just... What?

It's very starring. You've been at multiple miniature golf courses that play a Dragonheart theme. I, I... Well, there's two next to each other. Wait, that doesn't count. Next to each other. Which one?

I want to hear across the country. Well, in Ocean... No, I'm thinking of the one at Ocean City. Maybe Castle Park played it at some point, too. That sounds like an emotional round of golf. It is, because they do, like, no i'm thinking of the one at ocean city maybe castle park played it at some point that sounds like an emotional round of golf it is because they do like the pirates of the caribbean because it's a pirates themed golf course and then it's just a lot of movie orchestral themes and it is emotional because then you're thinking about everything johnny's been through the way he's

been run through well mill unfairly. And you're remembering the cologne you're currently wearing, the Dior cologne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you start crying for Johnny, and then the tears kind of mix up with the cologne that's all over your body and face. And your chains, the wallet chains,

the five wallet chains you have on are dragging you a little down. Oh, and as you walk, those whip around, and that smacks the cologne that's soaking it all over you don't get one of those tangled in a putter you're gonna be there all day i'm tangling that bad boy whoops whoa you fall into the lake wow so dragon hearted a miniature golf course yeah interesting okay um well yeah no i i i hear you because you get putty still you still get patrick uh-huh well is this one of those situation I hear you. Because you get putty still. You still get Patrick. Uh-huh.

Well, is this one of those situations where if you could just get put there, which I can't imagine how you get in the ride without having to watch Patrick. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. It's a skipper. It might be a you don't have to do it at all. Only you ever have to do it. Wow.

It's validating for me that there are any examples of this i don't think that's soaring fantastic flight though oh yeah yeah no yeah that thing was a man seems extremely worth doing yes disney world i was i did it a couple years ago and we had like extended hours so we walked through the queue and like walked right on and it's mostly just glowing blue walkways yes now yeah if i'm not saying the queue is good in disney world because i really have only done it once or twice but at the very least you're walking in an old epcot building yeah you're walking in an old epcot building i think those glowing blue walls kind of add to the vibe like the vibes on this ride are very good on the ride itself yeah extremely that's probably maybe the the big

selling point i think the big selling point yeah yeah absolutely so there's like a there's like a sleek simplicity i think to the epcot version well this is you know maybe like debating the cues can be part of i figure that we can sort of save debate until we've heard both sides. We've heard the plaintiff and the defendant. Right, right, right. Not to define which one is which in this, but let's, well, you know, we hear all sides. And then in closing arguments in number two, we can talk about maybe you score some points for a better cue. Sure.

Well, I will, well, can I say this about the cue? Go ahead. I, the outside is pretty brutal. Sure. Well, can I say this about the cue? Go ahead. The outside is pretty brutal. It's just kind of nothing. The outside line. The outside line. Because I like the outside of it. Oh, I like the exterior. Don't get me wrong, but the switchbacks

are just kind of nothing. That's why I don't always do it, I think. You don't want to get caught in switchback land. I like the old aviators the old planes and the old aviators and stuff but it is kind of like on a slant downwards and so it's a little awkward to like comfortably you're like shifting your weight a lot i might not be very close to those pictures either yeah you're not reading them from a distance yeah yeah so in the music the museum aspect of it yeah it does feel like a museum that's maybe going under maybe selling off bits

and pieces underfunded museum there's one room open and they just took some pictures and threw the blurbs under because they had to sell all of the actual artifacts yeah at times you think they would have gotten an influx of of support when it switched from condor flats to grizzly peak nope this museum's still going under yeah the city didn't help the county didn't grizzly peak airfield for the completest airfield is not any condor flats anymore uh no now okay uh the we're in the weeds the weeds are good we should be in the weeds okay we'll get out to make this a mildly accessible episode for two minutes all right well this is the ultimate ride i think where you know that like uh you know that this ride is a hit with with regular folks a great

a big ride a great ride for people who don't go to theme parks all the time and you know that a lot of people who don't uh you know stay all the time. And you know that a lot of people who don't, you know, stay there mentally and make this their whole lives, they go back home, they describe it to their friends, and they say, you know what I really liked was the hang gliding ride. And that's the sum total of what we're talking about. This is essentially the hang gliding ride, a simulated trip through the air where you get to kick your feet

and it's fully immersive and you see beautiful sights uh today more often you will see sights of the world you will see the real Matterhorn and the Eiffel Tower depending on where you are uh but as it started it was sights of California and it was really the ride that tied California adventure together um that's one way to put that's the positive way to put it's one way to put it. That's the positive way to put it. The negative way to put it might be the only good ride that California Adventure had.

The saving grace of the whole park. Yeah, yeah. Might not be around were it not for something. Yeah, and it is like, like you said, it kind of saving grace of California Adventure. And when you look at all the different notable places and scenery, mountains, and the beach, and kayaking through the redwood,

it's like, oh yeah, California's pretty terrific, huh? Like, pretty cool stuff here, huh? It makes you say the thing that the entire park was supposed to make you say. But then it gets muddied by it because it's some of the same things, right? It's like, ah, the beautiful redwoods. But then there's a big statue of a goofy bear. Yeah, there's water, but then it's all purposefully chintzy carnival rides in a big orange and like yeah yeah i think what i think you were it was probably supposed to be grandeur in california adventure

and i think there is today to some extent but when it opened i think the only the only bit of like true magic and awe that you're getting out of that park is all in this ride yeah i i definitely a place making upgrade uh in the area when when it went to Grizzly Peak Airfield, because I feel like craftsman style, the American arts and crafts movement, always in fashion. Like mid-century modern, always looks good. Pleasant to be in. Always tasteful, very pleasant, you know. I like that tint.

I like that green that the building has now. Greens and browns, yes. Better than the kind of mustard yellow. It was the color of Conan O'Brien's original set before. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of a mustardy set. Right.

Yeah. Which they made a little more pleasing by like 95. This whole section of the park was very X Games. Yes. Take a few. Yeah. The X Games pretty quickly losing steam around this time, I think, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The fonts had worn out their welcome. Yeah. I think, let's say something towards the top here, too, to quote one of the great quotes in the show ever by a guest, Matt Apodaca, who said, this is a ride that moms love. It's the Josh Groban of rides. A great quote. A quote that bears repeating. And that really

says it. I think that makes it, I mean sure that makes it sound lame perhaps. Sure. Unless you're a big Groban head. But I think it's like the fact that it is this relaxing ride, and it's a ride that your mom can go on and your mom will love,

and pretty little kids can go on it. I don't know at what age you start being height eligible. But it's a rare ride that has big, impressive, huge technology that leaves you pretty astonished that this can even be done, but that isn't scary or too thrilling. Yes. Yeah, a little exciting. Uh-huh.

You know, there's wind. You're kind of being moved around a little. There's a giant screen that if you sit in the right place, you don't even see the edges. It's the gentlest of all the e-tickets in a way, perhaps. Are any other e-tickets gentle? Are any other e-tickets gentle?

It depends on, I mean, literally the e-ticket system when it was in the park. I think by that, like It's a Small World might have been an e-ticket. But we kind of now define it as like the big blockbuster and those are usually kind of action oriented and credit coaster guardians that's interesting to a recap space mountain um big thunder radiator springs which some of which is gentle but then you get fast and you get

mild drops i don't know is big Thunder an e-ticket anymore? I almost think that's a step... That's a sad... Splash was an e-ticket. That feels like downgrading Pluto. It's a bummer. I think it might not be an e-ticket. I love it. Do you think Haunted Mansion and Pirates are

e-tickets just due to demand? I don't think they are anymore. Anymore? I think they are, of course. I think you define it as scope and scale and entertainment value. And that makes it like sheer volume of stuff. I don't think. I'm not going to give it to them. I'm not going to give it to them.

Wow. Wow. But Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway. E-ticket. That's e-ticket, yeah. Roger Rabbit? No. No. No way. Yeah. No. Okay, fine Minnie's Runaway Railway. E-ticket. That's an E-ticket, yeah. Roger Rabbit? No. No.

No way. No. Yeah. No. Okay, fine. We're all in agreement on that. Star Tours. Mickey and Minnie is pretty gentle.

Oh, Star Tours. Star Tours, but not Millennium Falcon. Millennium Falcon, not an E-ticket, even though technology is crazy impressive. Rise of the Resistance, definitely an E-ticket. Of course, yeah, for sure. Pushing to... Yeah, pushing past. I guess the next would be F, but you know what uh that's a

strange way to put it maybe it breaks your system you skip it like the uh you skip it like the 13th floor and you go to g you go to g ticket which is which is transformers the ride only end of story well i would well i i like to call it an e-ticket for emotional ticket. An e-ticket for your heart. Yeah. H-ticket, heart ticket. Here's another big thing generally about this ride and any iteration of this ride. It's non-IP. It is non-IP and like a big popular ride that is non-IP.

But then also it's not original IP, which is something we're starting to depart from the idea that this will even happen again yeah because what we you know you're like i don't want it to just be characters from the movies and marvel p you know i want to i want it to that there's somebody like shows up and like i'm professor hog bottom and i'm here you know what i mean like you picture that with original theme park ip which would would be great. That's what we want, but I don't think we're getting it so much. Never. So this is like a way it's, it's, it is neither. It's just not IP at all. It's not existing IP and it's not original theme park IP.

It's about vibes to go back to what Jason said. Yes. It's about vibes and it's got the, like the closest thing I was thinking about this too is, and does this play into like, it doesn't have a ton of personality or personalities other than Patrick. Yeah. The ride itself is very straightforward in a lot of ways versus a lot of the other rides or almost all of the other rides. It's kind of rare.

Okay. We said, you know, we're talking about original characters and yes, there is Patrick and you could do a toy of Patrick. You could do it you could do a funko pop i think there was a park star it was a vinyl nation of him maybe but not a park star okay oh that's good i should get i could be wrong um but but you know you would still have to squint at that what is that that's not yeah that's not figment or uh i don't know um the what else is a finder uh yes yes mainly those uh leonardo columbus you don't know. What else is a big... Turn finder? Yes, yes, mainly those. Leonardo Columbus? You don't come out of it, yes,

thinking of the great iconic character like Leonardo Columbus. But it shows you that's okay. It feels like in that sense, the updated version of maybe original. People probably went to Disneyland in the early days and were just wowed by Mine Train Through Nature's wonderland yeah or just or being on the the canoes of the

mark twain uh uh that you know you start to think rides are where you meet a character and he gives you a mission or whatever uh but this isn't that and um it proves that that works yeah and it's definitely like it's it's in the tradition of like Dream Flight or even like Circle Vision or all these different things that were presented much more straightforward versus having Professor Hogbottom show up and dust his coat off. We're like, oh, caught me at a bad time. Which, by the way, we're fleshing him out and he sounds great. We're going to have to flesh out Professor Hogbottom.

I think he's debuting a new contraption of course your help yeah if i had to guess what's going on with hog bottom i don't want to push too far i feel like something's maybe gonna go not quite right with that contraption hog bottom hasn't dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's maybe is that a little i think we're either going to be chasing that contraption or we're going to be on the contraption and he's going to be chasing us to try and stop it. Yeah, I think that's right.

Oh boy. Well, I hope he's up for the task and mainly I hope I'm up for the task. So let's talk some history, how this thing ends up in the park. Kind of an elongated history to it, seemingly. A history predating California Adventure. It seems like they were maybe talking about this for Disneyland proper.

I don't know where or for what purpose. But you can catch the original working title, Ultra Flight. Oh, that's the coolest. Yeah, that's pretty good. But is it better? It's better, but it's not better for the ride that they made. No, because Soarin' is, by the way, wait, is it, okay. There's definitely Soarin'. Is it always Soarin' apostrophe?

Is it always kind of that relaxed? Oh, I know. Slangy. You mean on each coast? No, in other countries, it's got the G. Is it always Soarin' apostrophe? Is it always kind of that relaxed, slangy? You mean on each coast? No, in other countries, it's got the G. I see, I see. But here in, okay, but it is Soarin' over California. It's Soarin'. Yeah, yeah.

In Florida and California, it's Soarin'. Around the world. Okay, that kind of, that's a little chill. Yeah, yeah, that tells you what you're in for. But that's the right title for this ultra flight is a cooler ride ultra flight yes is probably way more futuristic and it kind of gets psychedelic or rainbow road i would love to go on ultra flight ultra flight is not relaxing i don't want that to be it well it depends it could be relaxing in that like like vapor wave or whatever way sure it could be

relaxing until something goes wrong yeah well it could be that professor hog bottom didn't calibrate the instruments correctly does he fit is that to tomorrow land of a title and his professor hog bottom to frontier land of a character or do Professor Hogbottom too Frontierland of a character? Or do we think this could all tie together? I mean, Dreamfinders in the future world, so... Could be. Yeah. Hmm.

Well, I think we can... Yeah, yeah. Because there's different Tomorrowlands, there's Discovery Bay, and there is, you know, sort of the more Jules Verne Tomorrowland in Paris. It could be a more, this could be a more steampunky premise.

Yes, correct. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Ultraflight to me, I don't know, it feels like in the, whatever the Tronified Tomorrowland. Mm-hmm.

It's like a sister to that. Is it like kind of an outrun, like you're traveling over a grid, and the way those grids have like the, like the mountains way in the distance. You know the way those grids have like the uh like the mountains way in the distance uh you know what i'm talking about that kind of like yeah maybe almost to me it feels like going if you've ever seen there's these great like long mega mixes and it'll be like japanese city pop or something on youtube and they've got such like a cool like

anime background that like loops it loops yeah and it's just kind of this like you gotta get like hypnotized by it it's some version of that i think i buy your premise that ultra flight is the first city pop ride oh my god i'm willing to come in if hog bottom fits in this he does and he already does it but uh i don't think disney hey if they never built it i don't think they can lock that title down that's true it's gonna be up for grabs at some point that's true yeah let's keep ultra flight in mind if we're blue skying i was kind of imagining if we're thinking about when like the the late 90s it seemed like they were working on ultra flight i'm thinking of in hackers when they're zooming through the internet like the internet is like fake computer cities.

Yeah, sure. Yeah. That's also, I now know from just watching it for some reason, that's also the beginning of You've Got Mail. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so watch the first two minutes of You've Got Mail if you want a good sense of what Ultra Flight would be like. It's a digitized kind of a circuit version of New York City, man.

Yeah, that's cool. The ultimate cyberpunk movie, You've Got Mail. So subversive, yeah. And they introduced the ride. Hi, I'm Kathy. I'm James Fox. Is that it? I just watched it and then I don't remember.

That's funny. A very pleasant vibes-based movie. Yeah, yeah. Good vibes on that. Get hooked as smart. We put it on like, let's put it on because it's stupid. And then by the end, it's like, God, I hope they get together okay. I hope when she figures out it's him, she's not mad.

We were pretty shocked. I've actually never seen it. Check it out. It's on Max. It sounds dumb. Your home for. It sounds dumb and I'll hate it. Easy ultra flight easy i only like cool shit watch it with lindsey to make fun of it not because it'll bring you together as a couple yeah good good advice um but so the ride here it's i

think this is one of these like we have an idea for a ride and we want to simulate hang gliding but now let's get into logistics and the logistics we're getting them down how does this work it seems like there was um they they talked about how they wanted it to be a dry cleaning type mechanism uh uh you know like the big belt that uh your clothes go on and that's still tough for me to picture but that somehow like big chains kind of like swing you out and then you're enveloped but imagine with that that it's more like simpson's ride back to the future yeah three levels and we've all been in irritating delays on that ride

takes for the either iteration of that ride takes forever to oh yeah to take off and then you're staffing every level of uh of that ride and it's a very slow load so that was i think getting them down logistically uh how do we possibly like you know the boring stuff got in the way right so it got kind of sidelined until an imagineer rose to the occasion and did something that will be a story in every disney special that goes behind the scenes from now on their five-timer this is a now a disney special five-timer but i celebrate it and i will look forward to watching it every time uh i will always watch when the little demonstration is done does anybody else want to explain this or or should i i do you have his name mark sumner mark sumner yes reclaiming the name sumner for good

away from the clutches of uh weird weird old foot robe fetishes elderly pervert from now on when you hear the name sumner oh no please explain the erector set story if we get him started on sumner we're we're never getting out of here erector set that gives me that's the machinery that makes it my own erector set at all no dr hogwash's contracture has been taken over by the ghost of Sumner Redstone. Imagineers worked for 10 years to make mine work again, and they finally figured it out. Thank you, Mark Sumner.

It was the hardest job they ever did. They started with a drug cleaning mechanism, but it didn't work. It just irritated it down there. They almost had to chop it off and start over okay now we've said horrible things what's the the actually nice story from mark sumner because he's thinking about it he's like there must be a way there's got to be a simpler way like he's kind of feeling it seeing yeah how we can make this mechanism work uh but then he's got a he he goes home he

goes into the attic um should i just do it oh yeah yeah well he finds a director's set he starts tinkering i love this story is about imagineers tinkering like this the story about tony baxter trying to get hired there and they're like yeah yeah we see dark ride presentations all the time then he takes them down to trunk of his car and he's got like a whirlybird like a rupe goldberg kind of device and they're all like oh everyone come out here like didn't he make a whole mary poppins ride well that was just drawn i believe yeah that's a video online of that which is it looks cool which i think that didn't get him that got him on people's radar, but I don't think that got him the job. Oh, okay.

Yeah, but this sort of like, the way it's described reminds me of the like Rolly Crump Tower of the Four Winds, where it's just like a lot of moving, practical moving parts. Sure, sure. So that's another tinkering story, and this is what the erector, he built sort of like a proof this is what the erector he built sort of like a proof of concept with an erector set of like what if we we load people in these rows and then we rise them all raise them all up where they are all on one level but then one big

arm swings out but they're all on like different i will be out of my depths as soon as i try to say any yeah it's hard to explain even though I think- They all dangle down from their, they like, each row like fans out essentially. It goes from like facing flat on the ground and it goes 90 degrees up

so they're all stacked and then swings back down. It's like a shoe caddy when it's on the floor and then you pull it up, and all the caddy little things open up, so you can put shoes in it. Sure. Yes.

That's the way I like to think of it. I don't have one of those, and I need a refresher of what a shoe caddy is. Jason, you know what I'm talking about? I know what it is. I don't think you're making it up, but I just haven't had one. Just kind of kicked them under the bed or under a chair kind of guy myself. How many pairs do you have? Like eight or ten pairs of shoes. you need a caddy yeah i need a caddy well i'm moving maybe i get myself a caddy yeah or somebody can get it for you for a present oh i guess

i'm getting it feels like you're volunteer if you're the one saying you need a cat it seems like now you have to to. Maybe we could start a GoFundMe for his shoe caddy. Amazon wish list? Amazon wish list? For Jason? Oh, man. No times are tough. No, the economy's not great and inflation.

But there is a guy. Has he not entertained you for years now? Have podcasters started posting their Amazon wish lists? And yours is all just shoe caddies it's all different shoe caddies well i gotta try them all and then i'm gonna return the ones that don't work either you have store return it's it is convenient yeah yeah of course it is um then you'll need a caddy for shoe caddy it's a shoe caddy caddy oh yeah we're getting real into the bag hutch territory oh yeah um but yeah basically with this invention and it is such a revelation when you see it in a special the first

time it's crazy to see if like a mechanism that you know and that you're impressed by every time you go on and then to see that this rusty old or these erector set pieces perfectly replicated i'd freak if i saw the erector set in person. I don't know if he just keeps it. Yeah, because it seems like he has to keep it so he can bring it out for specials every now and again. But if he ever decides to donate it or... Don't sell it.

Don't sell it. It belongs in a museum. A better museum than the one in the line. It should be in the line. I guess so. They should make a little... I mean, I guess there's no physical... To tribute him as like a great of flight. Yeah guess so they should make a little i mean i guess there's no physical him as like a great of flight yeah and they can make a yeah yeah yeah they should

do that yeah um well good idea do it disney take that one for free um but yeah it's um it's it's so cool and ingenious and it helped him load quicker and it really that you know that what that leads to is that you're you get in there the first time especially you get in and you're confused about what exactly you're in for because maybe you can't see the size of that screen yet it's just kind of that gentle blue which that's a thing i really love i like what i like that before i like the room before anything happens there's just kind of you know it's not a full score but it's just kind of this like uh this hum this drone that's a little exciting and the anticipation's building and the specific blue i think is very relaxing and then those lights on the floor and you can always

feel that there is i don't think every time you're in there that aren't that aren't new people who haven't done it oh yeah so you could feel that you could feel everybody going is this going to be a scary one or what is this um so it's it's excited the pre-launch is very exciting the big blue circle it uh very much feels like a sci-fi thing like we're about to transport somewhere to me that's like like a stargate or something yeah um but it is like there's a hum in there it's like just a little hum that gives you a little mood but it's not i guess it does it's not sinister but it could that's the closest the ride is to making you feel nervous i think it's that ominously neutral yeah because it would fit a ride that gets scarier right and you kind of assume that like i know how these things go this is

gonna be it's gonna do something i don't expect and that's going to be scary right and then it subverts the expectation yeah and then the and then the takeoff is a little scary or you you think like oh well is it only going to build from here but in fact that's kind of the only mildly nerve-wracking thing that happens yes yes it's uh it's i wish we've i've i've been on these things hundreds of times i don't know i don't think i've been on soren a hundred times but i've probably been on soren like 50 times yeah 30 to 40 times right i'll tell you what i i wrote it a lot i'd say like 10 50 10 15 years ago or so at this point I think when they were really redoing a lot of California Adventure

and I think Soarin' it would have long waits but especially in the Fastpass days it does eat up like 87 people at a time yeah sure are you saying that's a lot or you're

no no yeah I'm saying that's a lot or you're no no yeah i'm saying that's a lot each theater holds 87 people yeah it does and there's two theaters i believe yeah because there's two yeah yeah i was gonna say though this ride backs up a lot yeah and like even though it seems to eat a bunch of people at once i cannot count the amount of times i'm just stuck in that hallway back there waiting you're not wrong but when the whole park was a construction site well it's the only one the only thing it was one of the few things that was like untouched saved it then too it's been the savior of this park twice yeah yeah um but i just wish i could remember like

the first time i ever went on it because now it's become i've become so comfortable on it i'm so comfortable on it i even like lean forward in the belt which is not something because you know me and the legs dangling this is the most comfortable legs dangling ride i have no fear on this ride with my as far as my legs dangling i had this question because we can keep doing it in order and history and that kind of thing but in terms of our just basic experience stuff what are you doing with your legs on these rides what do you do you have any like i know i'm going to be on that thing and am i am i going to kick back and forth am i going to stretch out uh or do you just sit normally i can tell you what i do and this is

going to seem like i'm a the daredevil of the group and maybe i'm but maybe i'm not maybe everybody is wow a new advisor being here's what i do here's what i do i i'll obviously the first row is the best and the hot tip is you ask the person if you could go in the front row and they'll generally hold you for a second have you ever done this um hold you could do this on every ride they'll hold you closer yeah yeah yeah i was gonna ask yes hold you tight long hug yeah um's gonna ask yes uh holds you tight long hug yeah um but the front row that's the one where you can't really you can't see them there's nobody above you uh and then i have the belt you know and then basically what i do is i put all my weight forward on the ride so i'm kind of like going like this with my legs out

use it like with my weight against the belt you're trying to okay you're enveloped by the whole thing from the start yeah but then you are trying to like get even past yes your mechanism so it looks like so you're just like free flying through the air i want a little float i want a little float you're like you're like supermanning a little bit yeah as much as you can in a chair. But yeah, that's what I like to kind of do. I kind of like to put my arms and feet out and try to immerse myself even more.

But it is definitely a little bit of a daredevil thing for me. Yeah. If I'm really being honest. I like kicking my little legs. A little. Yeah, but you're not leaning forward. You're just kind of kicking them. Not really, no.

You're not doing the cool thing. I'm doing the thing. I am doing it. You're not doing the brave thing. I'm the thing I am doing You're not doing the brave thing I'm doing No, if I get a chair I immediately figure out how to sit back into it

How to really get How to really get comfy Is there one that reclines in the row? Who is that? I don't think so You're in the chair that reclines in this room

Yeah, sorry Oh, that's a guy If you ever That's up for grabs Yeah, sorry. Oh, that's okay. If you ever, that's up for grabs. Yeah, you can do it. I'm sorry. Just, guys, when you come in for the show, just call shotguns. And I'm leaning forward right now.

I mean, I've gone back four years. You got very excited. You're brave again. Yeah, yeah, wow. So, yeah, I like to kind of put all my limbs forward. On the ride and recording. Change it up. I remember going on this in 2006 for the first time like me and my buddy were out here

for college internships and uh we they had already done like the day trip to disney world and i had already been disney world a lot of times that semester um because that was one of my main interests disney world and and going to shows at UCB. You did say Disney World three times in a row. Disneyland. No, Disney World. I was in Disney World the summers of 2005 and 2006, and whenever we tried to do Soarin',

it had ridiculously long waits. Sure. It was new. It was very new. I had no idea what it was because if you remember the marketing on like billboards and park maps it's just kind of a poorly photoshopped family and a hang glider in front of like the golden gate bridge doesn't tell you exactly it doesn't tell me you can't make heads or tails of what that vehicle is necessarily yeah and i think you know youtube just starting to catch on in 2005 2006

uh so it's not like nowadays where you get 4k video rides from every possible angle you could want you know yeah so it was mysterious you're saying it was a little mysterious and when you walk in the room with the lights and the blue glow and the big screen you kind of remember the first time you went on it yeah i remember like oh i kind of don't know what this is yeah but i know it seems to be the most popular thing in this park i wish i remembered i don't know if i remember my first isn't it funny you build up the first this it's gonna be this like momentous thing and then it's just kind of it's just lost in the pile yeah i need to get hypnotherapy pressure off the

first it's not a big deal also the the first time we went to dca we had gotten a park hopper and we did pretty much 90 of the park by noon okay so yeah pretty damning but that's the you missed the old dca you said well it was very relaxing you got half the day waiting for you and do nothing you know no pressure if you had a pressure if you had a but okay i put two buttons in front of you okay one keeps it dca as is now the other button changes it back to what it was in the first two years. This is Oppenheimer. You're a monster. Uninvent this.

Which button do you hit? No one will know. By the way, I'll say this. It'll be anonymous. No one will know that you've reverted it back to original Disney's California Adventure. I feel like people are going to know if they've heard the scenario. They'll know it's changed, but they won't know. It'll erase their minds. It'll erase their minds. It's a powerful machine. They'll know it's changed, but they won't know. Like it'll erase their minds.

It'll erase their minds. It's a powerful machine. You'll know what you did. You'll have to live with that on your conscience. What does it take? Give me a year. This is pre we got no cars land? No cars. Yeah, pre all the good stuff is gone. It's back to early. What's the farm called?

Bountiful Valley. Bountiful Valley Farm is back. Bigger bread samples. Bigger bread samples. In fact, it's not so huge. Superstar Limo is there. Let me ask, am I taking it all the way, all of the world back

to the first half of 2001? Because I feel like there's more important stuff I should do. I did not say that. Okay. The machine can't do that. The machine only it can do

is revert the theme park back to its state uh back in those years uh but the richard kelly's the box yeah you could there's so many scenarios this is exactly like um so wouldn't it though yeah wait that's a good question would it erase 9-11 the way i've invented it no but i guess if you want to give a scenario where everything else still happened 9-11 yeah yeah everything still happened it's like the end of when they bring all the characters back in end game and the world has still happened but they are bringing them all back it's just that that life has changed and now they are going to have to adapt to what's happened in five years

okay um okay so the the twin towers are still gone but is the tower of terror there oh but yeah the tower of terror will be gone before tower this is right before okay well this isn't my the question for me i will let jason answer the tower is being built you can see it it's not open yet and it won't open why won't it open no there's an issue with well no there would be an issue with building it and then it kind of gets stuck and it's like kind of like that target on sunset it's just gonna be like that for a while i kind of well that also means there's now gonna be dozens of vloggers who are like what up fam we're going to get big macs at burger invasion and we're gonna eat them on the The dinosaur with the sunglasses is back.

I bought sunglasses there once. Okay. Stop avoiding the question. Yeah, what do you think? I don't think so. At the very least for Guardians and the giant candy bar that I gotta give another chance to the giant candy bar. Wait a minute. Do you not like

the giant candy bar? Well, we his list of things whether he wanted to retain had something that then you're now you're qualified well i still gotta give it another chance we ate it like the the third day was open very quickly everyone wearing masks outdoors we barely got a table i thought that was really good the big candy bar i was really i thought it was a little hard. You were hard on all the food that day, and I don't know what was wrong. Something seemed wrong that day.

But the food I had the second time was better. I think it was you on the day, though. It might have been me on the day, too. And I don't know what it was. I'm just saying. It was a pretty rough rollout that first day. But when I ate the candy bar, I'm like, this is good. And then Jason's like, hmm, I don't know about this.

A little too much. I think the caramel was really pulling on my molars. So wait a minute. Your list of why you won't blow up the theme park is Guardians Mission Breakout, not Radiator Springs Racers. And the promise of the big candy bar. Well, the promise of the big candy bar. The promise that you didn't

like and it pulled on your molars the big plant-based meatball um uh i love guardian you never know what song you're gonna get i wasn't arguing that one makes sense to me that one makes sense to me i wasn't already here but you're not bringing it's just weird that radios wasn't on here um okay okay Okay, hold on. I hate to do this. This episode's going to go long. I hate to do this. Sequence of scenes.

Say you save it and you go back to California Adventure and you try that big candy bar again and it sucks shit. You hate it. I put the two buttons on the table at Pym Test Kitchen. Again, do you hit the button to change it back? I don't think so. All right.

I don't think so, because in 2001, there was also no churro toffee. And that's pretty good. Churro bark or whatever they call it. Delicious. Treats have saved the world in this case. I just asked because you have said that you miss it, and I've not heard that very much that's the only reason I offer

this scenario to you I mean it was just kind of fun to have a park to yourself it was just kind of fun to stretch out well you need a button that just like you know like makes millions and millions of people disappear you need the Thanos

a bunch of people you just need to snap some and they're i'm sure they're fine people you have nothing against them but so i'll throw the infinity glove down on the table at you with all the stones and then you'll you'll snap and get rid of most of the people in california adventure which is what you're looking for oh can i use any of the other stones can i do anything else with the glove no No, you can just kill everybody. I feel like Mike could stop. So, well, now, look, I was going to say we're going to stop 9-11, but this itself is a much worse tragedy. Yeah, that's correct.

So many more people. Half the earth is gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this dwarfs 9-11. 9-11 is nothing now. Okay, well, that's fine. If you can do it or get with Professor Hogbottom and see if he's got anything. He has his own special glove,

but we don't have to get into that now. Yeah, yeah. No, we're building his IP. Slowly, we're here to talk about Zoran. Okay, so, I mean, maybe we just got to, I'm just going to say it, just going to say it, war burden. Let's make sure,

we can talk about other stuff in the line if we want. Yeah, sure. Or we can hem and haw about switchbacks museum we don't like or we can talk about the great the man one of the great pre-shows question the best video the best video yeah that's uh

well you answer what do you think I'm trying to think I might say top three. Sure. Because I can't in good conscience not, I don't know if it's number one, but Back to the Future of the Ride had an original Chris Lloyd as Doc Brown, an original Thomas Wilson as Biff. Right.

And they're being themselves, and they got it, and they nailed the tone that and it's so long you get so much more of them uh it's hard to not say plus rules plus that had a lot of great rules too this is a very good unfurling of rules yeah yeah like one of the classic just ways to get rules i mean i yeah i is the simpsons rides frustrating sometimes i think a lot so much of that was fun. Not that it's better necessarily. I'm just trying to think of. I'm almost like, well, this isn't fair. You've got to group all videos together ultimately.

But I'm like videos where a person says, welcome to this. Here's what you've got to know. Right. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I wouldn't be mad at a number one placement, though. I wouldn't be offended by that.

I mean, does anything else strike you? Is it somehow just like original Star Tours? Yeah, original Star Tours is up there, but I feel like so much of this ended up being more iconic in a way. Yeah, maybe. There's something about that it stays that they didn't replace it when they changed it to world um and there's something almost hypnotic about the that it's not i consider when i think about it i think it's funny but it's not trying to be funny right well like a funny one would be uh uh maybe

more okay you're right it's that he is is always like his persona is funny yeah yeah but i was gonna say a funny something with like more actual jokes you might honestly get tired of it might be better the first time but then you've kind of heard the jokes and then they're not fresh anymore. Something like this, it's kind of perfectly the line of like, is it funny that the guy has mouse ears? It gets a laugh,

but it's not, I don't get tired of it. I would weirdly get tired of a better joke. I feel like there's a lot of good, what i'll say is age 8 to 80 jokes you know it kind of works for every age group it's kind of evergreen it's the sort of thing they try to manufacture and it just doesn't work as well yeah but just when they were trying to do a straightforward ride uh video with like some funny stuff here and there you know some and he's just such a good performer he doesn't feel like he's if this is his phoning it in it's a great phoning it in but i don't think

it is i don't think it is either no i think he gives it as all i think we've seen way recently we've seen uh more popular actors phoning it in yeah in pre-ride video this is i i think he is seizing this opportunity i think he knows people are going to see this over and over again yeah it's not just like what is this i'll get this done the closest thing to a joke in it is these little beauties like yes and then the kind of this the sort of costanza-esque man well of course this is another element of it is that this is coming off of seinfeld yeah and he's one of the funniest side characters on seinfeld he is a revelation in the they like all of them every character who gets to show up in the finale all of the like greats they all it's seinfeld just had they just hired

the best people and gave them the best direction or lane to they it's all these like human cartoon characters yes and not in a way where they're like sitcom broad crazy they're just like it just everybody makes big bold choices and it's so often it's people you haven't seen a thousand times before that so him and maybe the closest number two john o'hurley is peterman yeah both like i just remember being a kid and watching these and like who are these guys i don't ever want to stop seeing these people and yeah oh yeah yeah the side characters on that show are unbelievable and like they even figured like putty's almost like i feel like he has a late seinfeld renaissance in a lot of ways because he was on an episode where he's a

little scarier that's his first episode oh like he maybe like he was he felt a little specific and then they had to find a way to like how do we do we not make him this, like, you know, because soup Nazi they could only use once, really. Exactly, yes. But how do we keep this guy in the fold? But, you know, when he's at the car dealership, that's a great episode. The eight-ball jacket, those are the last two seasons, I believe, which, you know, I still really like those last two seasons, but they're a little bit different. He's some of the best. You start thinking towards the end it's getting weaker, but then Putty does some good stuff and you're back on board.

There was, on AEW, they had the 8-ball jacket. Didn't Daddy Magic Matt Menard, wasn't he wearing the 8-ball jacket? And as soon as he walked on screen at it i started laughing just seeing the eight ball jacket again yeah just remembering the seinfeld just you know yeah the devil one i think that's so great that yeah and then the sign what the uh when they're on the her and uh he and elaine are on the long plane ride oh yes and he's just like staring straight because he's vacant he's the dumbest guy everyone talks about like uh uh carrie's boyfriends on sex in the city oh there's aiden oh there's mr big but like elaine's boyfriends i mean putty's got to be number one

with a bullet right yeah oh yeah and other other great ones there There's a ton of great ones. Keith Hernandez? Sure. Toby Huss as the Wiz. Oh, the Wiz? Very strong. Yeah, I was just thinking about the Wiz the other day. Toby Huss, a guy very similar to Patrick Warburton, just like good in everything. Always excited to see Toby Huss. Oh, and him, you start to calculate.

Wait, he was from Pete and Pete, and he's this voice in King of the Hill. From Pete and Pete, King of the Hill, and Halton Catchfire. Those three alone, any one would be like a feather in your hat. Yeah, the one performance. Yeah, hey, Toby Huss fan club here for sure. Patrick Warburton, he was on a sitcom where he was a lead for a while that I've never seen before. I don't think anybody got more heat off of Seinf than warburton because you end up like wayne knight he was on

third rock oh sure and then moving well he's also getting work before sort of seinfeld too so yeah i mean he's definitely one of the again top three side characters that gets the actor gets a lot of work coming off of it sure but i think like you're just you're you're living in i loved him on seinfeld and i'm not like sick of him ever and it's like every time you see him you're just so happy to see him because of the memories uh-huh absolutely but then he brings it and everything yeah too brings it in this he's great. Brings it in this. He's great in this. Let's briefly talk about the alternate universe where it was potentially not him.

They were talking about who to do this with, and they needed a— well, you know, he defines himself as chief flight attendant, but there was, you know, maybe—I don't know if they were thinking it's more pilot or were just aiming for somebody associated with planes, with an interest in planes. This was only recently revealed a couple years ago by, I forget which Imagineer on Twitter, Travolta is who they were going for. Wow.

Yep, yeah, yeah. Recent little leak from the Imagineering Brain Trust. I wouldn't have been mad. Yeah. It would have been weirder. Oh, yes, absolutely. It would have been really weird. Well, especially because one of the things about it,

I think there were multiple obstacles in the way, but one of them was that I think he was interested. There were discussions, but I don't know. And I don't know what movie he was filming at the time, but he had some odd little soul patch. Oh, of course. Or goatee or something. Is that Swordfish?

Maybe. Yeah, he has that in Swordfish. And I'm trying to remember what his facial hair is in Old Dogs. Old Dogs is later. Old Dogs is later. It's like 2005? That's with every little step. Battlefield Earth is before this? Yeah. Oh wait, no, I was wrong.

The problem was that he grew his hair into giant, thick dreadlocks that he could not cut. And he had surgery on his eyes to transform them like mostly pure white. Yeah, he was shooting in the soundstage next door.

He's like, can I just come over? And they're like, can you... Is there any chance of... Can we clean you up? You're going to have to CGI it. Yeah. Because like... When did they have shot this?

2000-ish zone? Yeah, I think maybe. It was getting down there like this and this is how it talks yeah it's that kind of like that creates like a male share a little bit yeah yeah where they were crunching a little bit it wasn't fully there where you had like that kind of vocal fry kind of thing going on so yeah you're getting swordfish travolta you're getting you're getting squint you're getting you're getting you're getting squint you're getting like head shaking and you're like two or three years after face off which is good which i'm not saying i just saw that oh is that first time you ever saw it no just it's been a while i love face off what came in right in the middle good perfect hotel room

movie that's exactly what you want the greatest hotel hotel room. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we're very lucky. I know that we were. Face Off 2 coming soon, I think. What? What? What? Is John Woo back? What are you talking about?

Face Off 2, I believe, is being written by the guy who did that Godzilla Kong movie. I could be wrong. Okay. I don't know if it's greenlit. Are they going to be in it, though? I believe that's the point. I mean, are they? Are either of them?

Are they gettable? They're too busy. They're too busy. They're too busy. Face Off 2, yeah. It is, I don't know. Oh, man. That's the only one. I mean, look, it depends on the, it's a tough bar.

The direction's got to be as good or as crazy. But at least the two guys are crazier now. Yeah, Face Off 2 is coming, and Nicolas Cage's description of the plot sounds wild uh this is from january he says i think face off sequel uh is a sequel that lends itself to a lot of twists and turns and unpredictability you gotta turn and a twist right away because spoiler skip ahead spoiler nicholas cage dies so how is there possibly troy dies caster troy king of that what am i saying have you ever seen faze off oh yeah oh yeah okay just wanted to make sure uh so i get i don't know if it's

like green but they've there's the assign that i think the guy yeah godzilla kong uh adam wingard movie talked about before because he said he based some stuff from the godzilla kong movie on back to the future the ride oh oh yeah okay okay yeah there's some shots in there i like godzilla or skunk yeah i did too it's all about director though that director's got to be maybe he'll direct it maybe he's directing it not that i i don't know if john woo is nuts but he made it nuts yeah so uh i don't know is this a job for bay does it have to be a bay is Is it two small potatoes for Bay? I'm not sure.

Maybe Adam is doing it. I'm not sure. I don't know. It sounds like it's not fully ready to go. Sure, sure. But I think he got paid probably to write it. Okay. Well, that's exciting.

We're on the way. Please. Okay. 70-year-old Travolta. Usually I'm not on board. Usually way past its prime sequel. But they're going to be so much crazier. It has to be.

Yes, it has to be insane. Both of them are less tethered to reality, seemingly. Yes, that's what we want. Did you ever watch when I... We've talked about just doing, is there some second gate that's all Travolta stuff? Yes, for sure. Did you ever watch when Travolta does does a big hide and seek with a YouTuber? Did I send you guys that?

I don't want to see that. No, I'm hiding. I have to find where I can hide. I don't know. I've not seen this. Really long, bizarre. Why is it him? That it's him is not really acknowledged.

He's just one of eight people hide and seeking in a 20 minute long. He's doing musical commercials with the Scrubs guy so my remember oh that's right yeah yeah huh yes that yeah my stuff's all gonna be just him and pitbull oh sure do that yeah let's do this this sounds yeah sure all right revolted oddities sounds great um okay but we got war but i think it was that they were like they needed a backup they started thinking who else do we do and emperor's new groove had just happened and he's the scene stealer of that that launches it he's like he's seen stealing on tv and then now he's seen stealing in movies and uh well what a tie it felt like a real you you're you're really seeing a movement

happen yes oh yeah so much more burden oh it's an odd person to suddenly be seeing all the time out of no it's just an odd energy a specific energy uh uh always loved him so great yeah the bad guy in that she should be walking around oogie boogie bash who should the from emperor's new group oh the kit yeah yeah yeah oh. They got some fun. They got that Judge. We've all seen that Judge Doom clip. Judge Doom, yeah. That's a fun little scary thing. We're going to go. We've never gone to one of those.

I know, because it's always hard to justify. I think it's sold out immediately. It's the expense, yes. We have an annual pass. We're like, I'm going to make $140. On top of the annual pass. And I can't even go the full day? Yeah.

I mean, I guess if you annual pass, you could go the full day. And you wouldn't get me out of those street trails. Well, we got to send you one of these years. Sir, the children need to get through. We're running out of candy. Hey, buddy, I got a whole box of hefty bags here. You film faster and I'll move. Maybe next year we'll send you to one of these so we can get you on the treat trail.

Can we call a shot next year? You agree with that? That's part of the go fund me all right yeah he needs a we just have to remember in july and august someone has to wake up and get in the virtual queue i'll do it i'll do it because they sell out within minutes i mean we'll all three of us will go but we need to see we need to see you got on that tree trail it's going to be all about sure spotlight's going to be on you yes for sure um i any moments that we like of this video especially i think he okay a couple he gives it he really

gives it his all with a very his specific manner of delivery with that big like hello a big a big brassy hello yeah yeah you're off to the races there yeah and then i really like this kind of a moment like it's it's kind of a beat you kind of get a little air he's not rushing into it he uh i think he's dealt with uh the either the kid or the um the mouse ears guy and then kind of like turn pause soon you will be airborne that's a nice moment yeah yeah the kid moment when he tells the kid like does he say great job buddy buddy, or great job, pal? Nice work, pal. Nice work, pal.

If Patrick Warburton said nice work, pal, to me, that might be like Mike getting a thumbs up from Optimus Prime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, the trusted figure of Chief Flight Attendant Patrick. Yeah. I have to bring up, I can't not bring up. I cannot make it about me for a minute. I did. I got to live in the fantasy camp

of this video and of interacting with Patrick Warburton because probably the height of my Funny or Die career and the thing I was gunning to make happen as soon as I got in there. I mean, I have access to higher budgets and celebrities. There is something I want to higher budgets and celebrities there is something

i want to do so badly and that is a fake pre-ride video for a roller coaster that doesn't exist and it took months to get this thing together uh if you can imagine having to like i just i need a uh roller coaster car that actually moves and that can go along a track and stop in place and it's western themed so it does need to be uh wooden so therefore extremely heavy and yeah we need to find a ranch to do it this is just like i am like yeah i'm aiming high for this thing and thus we need the celebrity to justify it was like it's the funnier die was like the blockbuster system sure we can release more budget but you need the star to justify it and we were you know i'm surprised i don't know maybe we were talking about travolta i don't know there was there was talk of

like in order to justify doing this it's got to be a degree of celebrity who and we're so we're talking about people who have no funnier Die relationship, probably don't want to make something like this, aiming just like insanely high, and then like, oh, that'd be, and probably you can only get them for two hours or whatever. Anyway, so I start thinking about who's done Funny or Die videos? Who would be down to come back and do another one? And I start looking in the archives,

and there I see Patrick Warburton. I forget what he'd done before, but I thought, oh my God, I love that guy. Hero. He'd be so great. It's gotta be this crazy cowboy giving you the rules. He'd be great. I said, can it be him? And they start reaching out to him, and I swear I didn't somehow put together

the math that he is this. That he's in the real world. I started the wheels on it just because I love him and because I thought maybe he'd do it if he's done Funny Guy before, and then like, oh my god, and it's him. It would be him from because i thought maybe he'd do it if he's done before and then like oh my god and it's him it would be him from zoran that'd be so crazy that's wild i on some level you must have in the back of your mind yeah probably yeah it was it wasn't far away yeah yeah but i but let me just that's just to attest that's what i wanted to meet him and get his insane energy in this thing and then what a dream to get the news that he he's

interested in doing it but he wants to meet you guys first and we're summons to a jerry's deli in encino me and producer josh martin and we just get to have a lovely like lumberjack bread i remember he did the like big old hash plate he like ate how you you would expect him to eat and talk to you to expect him to talk he has that thing the entire time. And clearly, he's just making sure we aren't crazy and making sure it's worth his while. But just that alone, getting to have breakfast with this guy was fantastic. And we start talking. I'm talking shop.

He brings up the thing. And like, it was great. It was a fun area. You know, I'm in a real one of these things. And I'm like, oh, I know. I know, sir. is a fun area you know i'm in a real one of these things and i'm like oh i know i know sir yeah you have no idea how much i know about all of this um but then we start we get to talk about how he's proud of doing that thing and he's proud of and that he just he loves the theme park he loves the

disney parks and he he said something along the lines of that i won't forget with his intonation uh well you know it's kind of a wimpy thing to say, but there's magic in the air at that place. Yes. Yes. Great. Like retaining the machismo. He has to like, just so you know, I am a, you know, I'm a big strong guy, but, you know, you get kissed by a little Tinkerbell pixie. It brings a tear to your eye

so great so I knew I was off to the races and I got to make this thing and I'm so proud of it newer listeners

maybe it hasn't come up on the show in a while but Roller Coaster Safety with Patrick Warburton is on YouTube or I can post a

clip or something but check it out and I feel like this video is like a calling card for me to like probably let people know oh this guy who's

putting videos out is a is a theme park guy yes because i remember when i met doug jones the first time he's like that video you must actually like this stuff right yes yeah it's not a like shitting on theme parks right kind of video i've seen a lot of this didn't this happen with uh the season pass guys too or something was Or was that a different video? That was a thrill when we were at Knott's Berry Farm with them. And it was because they know a lot of people in the industry. And they said that they had seen it sent around by people who actually work on roller coasters and stuff. And that they could tell it was a fellow traveler as it were.

The other one I have to shout out just because I could not. I do love this video so much. And when I got to make my TV show, Mubeep City, I'm like, I got to get Warburton again. That was so fun. That was such a blast. And knowing that, I wrote into the script him saying, this little beauty. And it was in there. And I don't know if he knew why he was saying it.

I don't think he caught it. Yeah, yeah. But I was such a thrill to watch him say that line in that case about a piece of the Bermuda Triangle that he had in an amulet. There was like a pin because he was like a decorated military guy.

So let that be my if all of that is not credibility of my love of this video and this aspect of Soren. That's great. And that was before he was on Star Tours, right? When you made this or no? Was it right after he was there? I remember.

I told you that. Yes, during the shoot. That's right. He gave a little preview. Okay, okay. I'm not supposed to be talking about this. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's good inside information. That's fun. And then it was confusing to go on it and kind of go, well, where is he? I don't hear him. And it maybe takes a time or two to go, oh, that is maybe a little voice pitch up on that one robot. It's pretty easy to miss. Yeah, the inflections, the way he says certain things, you can kind of catch it. It's just that it's so good.

His different speeds of it, because the way him on the ride is not the same as Putty, is not the same as, it's all the same family of performance. But there's little adjusts. But then it basically has that. And the big, you know, like breathiness. is not the same as great it's all the same family of performance but there's little adjusts but that it basically has that and the big you know like breathiness i think he's an adam west fan is what i've i believe i ever i think he's striving for that kind of like there's nothing he's not it's silliness as silly as you can be without like making a silly face you know it's all in it's all in it's it's the the silliness of bravado essentially it's so fun i mean i'm not talking i'm not talking about him when i'm saying this but

it's so the the bravado always works when a lot of or not always but it often works when the performer does also kind of have a little of it for real yeah yeah yeah it's like your shatners and your adam west both like know when they're being funny but also do have it's in them that's a speed they can dial up like there's probably a more uh sensitive right real person yeah but then there's performance mode and it has yeah so i feel like if bluster it's it's awesome it's always self-aware bravado ends up being yes the right way you can dial properly yeah um and in both of my warburton experiences he was uh much uh he did not shatner on me okay well that's good if you recall us playing that clip was that second gate that was second gate yeah we played

a shatner being mad at a voiceover director and he decimated this man mentally. My God. Scarring. So scarring. Okay. Well, anything else pre-ride? Or do we start talking about scenes here? Yeah, I don't think so. Oh, wait. Oh, you know what?

I mean, I always... I'm sure I've talked about this before, but I always... As a California native, I like that before Warburton appeared... And I'm always a little frustrated in this part, because maybe you've gotten caught in a line for a while, and I'm excited to see the Warburton appeared. And I'm always a little frustrated in this part because maybe you've gotten caught in a line for a while. And I'm excited to see the Warburton video. So I don't really like when I am like, I'm getting close, but it's kind of a tease. And all I have to entertain me right now are the names of California cities flying by. Oh, yeah.

And there's a real mundaneness. Because there's one that I don't even know if this is actually where they filmed it, but there's one that they define as Camarillo. Yes. And if you're not from around here, or you've never been here, Camarillo is kind of a mundane place. It's a place with an outlet mall. It's a place with a Marie calendars. If I had a good friend who lived there, I looked forward to it.

I don't think it's anything but it's you know it's it's what it um in in when some rides take you to endor another i guess don't take you to endor so what's what all right give me a real what's a real one some rides take you to where what's jar jar's planet the gungan city yeah yeah some rides take you to gungan city and other rides take you to camarillo right a real place known for an outlet mall for a while it had the um is it cavalia the horse show oh were they hosting cavalia yeah they had the big tent the big white tent not burbank hosting burbank was hosting cavalia by like the access roads and the railroad tracks. Sure. By the five, yeah. Yeah.

Gotcha. So that's good for Camarillo. Mm-hmm. I'm not saying, I've had good times in Camarillo. A lot of giant sprawling Edwards theaters. I miss those Edwards theaters. Oh, okay. With like the, you know, giant neon displays

and they're loud because they're old. Mm-hmm. I like any of those. A lot of those in Newport Beach. You find a big one big one in camaria too the only thing that would make this bad this part better is if it's like buena park and that came out at you yeah you get to fly over there yeah that's a good hmm yeah what you're missing i guess i'm plussing it up already greatest city in the uh if you're a big fan of the the oc and you want to see uh chino, the home of Ryan, the main character. I want to see where Ryan's from.

Well, keep that in mind. If you're in love with anywhere in California and you want to see it represented, that's a good place. Victorville. I'm home of the steak and shake. And the prison. Is there a prison there? Yeah. San Bernardino.

You can see all the amazon warehouses uh-huh yeah and they're kind of creepy original mcdonald's oh yeah and the cracker barrel by an easy off ramp so if you need a bathroom i stopped at that cracker barrel on the way back from vegas and how was that it's look it's fun and it's cheap to be there and it's yeah i bought a sailor suit for my daughter i okay i know we got a lot to get through i don't look i don't want to accuse you of child abuse but i don't you didn't want to be in a little sailor suit when you were a kid we've all talked about being embarrassed in little sailor suits and here you are repeating the cycle.

Well, look, it was cute though. Well, I don't know. His daughter might be a little boogie woogie bugle boy from Company B. It's possible, yeah. It's possible. She hasn't tried it on yet though.

Okay. I'm like, why don't we record at your house next time and I sneak into a closet yeah yeah yeah if you guys if y'all try to put it on her

and she starts immediately screaming you have to text us like I think she's going to like it sailor suit is a no go yeah I had two separate

sailor suits I have pictures in when I was little so is two the line for you like I'm only it's only one it's only one yeah you get one sailor suit You get one sailor suit.

You get one sailor suit. That's the way I feel. Oh, look, it's Halloween. She's doing Stranger Things. She's doing the one season of Stranger Things. She works at the mall. The ice cream parlor. That's sailor themed.

I've never seen past one episode, and I know the ice cream parlor, and I know the kind of the monster. One of our Baskin Robbins here in Burbank got turned into the sailor ice cream parlor. I remember. Scoops Ahoy. Yeah.

What separates the sailor suit from other? Is there anything on the fanny? What would be on the fanny? What do you mean? You're thinking of pajamas? I'm thinking of a Simpsons. At least it's shopping for embarrassing swimsuits with Marge.

It's like there's a little starfish on the fanny. Yeah, no, I don't think there's anything like that. That helps. It's not like a duck costume or anything with a little tail. Although that would be cute too. I'm adjusting to this. You gotta talk me into the sailor suit.

I shouldn't have approval over those. We're just concerned. We're too late in the episode for me to do my full speech on why the sailor suit is good. And I'll play patriotic music under it, too. Separate sailor suits episode. I don't know. I think we're there. Let's talk ride, baby.

And I don't know. I don't know that we even need to go in order. Let's try to hit everything. But where's your heart in this what's like when you think about specifically soaring over california the original ride film and i don't want to you know we'll save the discussion of what's better yeah this is the other one but um what do you flash to when you like when you think about loving the california one well i think it turns of vibes the best vibes are the i'm just reading off of wikipedia the redwood creek the people kayaking through the

redwood creek you're flying over them yeah absolutely that's the first i think that it gets it starts grand with golden gate bridge yes um and you feel grand because you feel like you're in the full house opening yeah yeah despite the music being different uh but then that's the first that we get serene and you're also really impressed that how much you're able to sink into the creek like you don't you don't really know the mechanism this is being shot it's not like whoa we're getting pretty low we're getting pretty close to the sky it was probably a pain in the ass to film that in 2000. Now we got these tiny drones. You can fly through anything. Sure.

CGI can finish the rest. They were still doing helicopters, though, for Soaring Over the World. It looked like it. I feel like you might need to for stability. I mean, we can also talk about, we can talk scenes, but we should talk technically about it. It does seem like because helicopter footage can be uh uh awful that's like you think you think footage and helicopters are going to be

compelling uh automatically but it can be very shaky and i'm sure and these are like this these have to the second one had to shoot 8k imagery so that's like yeah you need a you need a weighty uh piece of machinery so um yeah that rig that rig's got to be real sturdy. Well, eight IMAX cameras circa 2000 are probably massive. Oh, yeah. I know. I said like as if 8K, as if you need a bigger camera to shoot 8K. That's how it works.

You need an 8K-sized camera. But you're right. The originals were probably bigger, clunkier. Did they shoot on, was it film or was it some early digital back then? Do we know that? Oh, that's a good question. I know that it was projecting in IMAX. So it was originally the movie was projected in film.

Okay. And then they switched over to digital a year or two before. It's upgraded here and there. But I remember when it was like, okay, now the picture is going to be digital. And I remember going on it and it was a little clearer. They were shot at IMAX HD originally which implies digital okay i think but it looks fantastic interesting yeah it does have some of the warmth i would associate with film yeah maybe the lenses are nice at least i could be wrong though on the film but shooting shooting all that like in kind of like the monterey bay of like coastline

yeah like that is a risk to fly over those rocks and the breaking waves and all the animals sure yes um vibes are good there too vibes are also good at the hang gliding in yosemite yeah yeah all of the nature stuff is pretty spectacular. And all of them, I'm pulling some of this from Theme Park Tourist. They had some stories about the logistics of shooting this thing, which, you know, you're lost in the ride. You're not thinking about what it took to put it together. But those are some of the biggest pains he has to do.

That part of Yosemite there had not been an airborne vehicle there in nearly 50 years wow wow yeah clearance on this stuff it took him i did read that it took him forever to like negotiate some of this like working over the parks and the whatever your rules are which are probably very specific being like protected yeah lands the last plane that was in here was some crop duster asshole who got lost. In like a Cessna. He didn't have a permit. He didn't have a permit.

He was just drunk. And it was Harrison Ford. Playing a crop duster. Drinking moonshine. In a big X bottle. Yeah. Monterey, the super blue one. That's how I think of it that is a marine life

sanctuary so it took years to clear and there's a boat that's visible in the shot and that's not just for production value the boat was like making sure that animals were making sure animals weren't getting disturbed by the helicopters yeah flying. So this is pretty unprecedented. You know, Star Tours was models, and later digital. They didn't have to go to a moon and deal with the local ordinances of the moon to shoot the stuff. Yes, very true. So I really appreciate what they had to do to do this thing. The other one, the desert one with the flyby, the flyby from the jets. Yes.

Yeah. That's the most insane one because, okay, a research team, okay, they made Disney hire archaeologists to make sure that any artifacts were not getting, or bones, I don't know, to make sure that nothing was getting disturbed in that area. Just in the area that you're shooting,

which is four square miles. And what that actually meant was dusting. So four square miles had to be dusted. Oh, wow. I didn't read that yeah that's nuts that's so tedious and crazy this is what they did for us this is what they did to to make us entertained and nowadays uh the walt disney company is using money like that for um 330 000 crisis p uh pr people and you know whoever they're gonna hire is gonna be the scariest motherfucker you've ever met fucking ray donovan getting hired but it's all gonna work out

that scary ray donovan guy is gonna make everybody think that eger's nice again. Yeah, so now you're like, is that Josh Brolin or Liev Schreiber? Is it really them? Are they moonlighting? I'm terrified. Yeah, they'll undo months of bad PR for Disney. Yeah. Months and months of public opinion being cemented. I don't know what the...

I would like to see the pitch meetings of how does the AMPTP... A very good question. Oh, the pitch decks. Oh, man. I think whatever delusion we're imagining in those meetings, it's 50 times worse. Yeah. Because you'd be like, look, just quit.

Like, guys, you lost. We lost. Why don't you just accept it? The story alone of is it zaslov on oprah's boat and they were gonna watch an episode of fleabag and they like you had a breakdown because there was sex scene in it and it's like what is wrong with you i think you've said this before and i hope i'm not gonna look into it but i hope it's right no i think so is he like is he like the millennials who are

posting about sexism? There shouldn't be a sexism movie? That's another type of brain worm. This is a different type of square. We need to show he's cool by associating him with those very online millennials. He wants to get rid of sex because it's cool to get rid

of sex. What's some other okay okay good well all right so we know the erector's set story you sure do like the urban legend about this is that when they fly over the palm springs golf course yes it's michael eiser hitting the golf ball i don't think that's an urban legend well well this is why do you say that mike because i read it somewhere today oh you guys where though where though oh no is it like the fans because people on the message boards 20 years ago are losing their goddamn minds oh shit and okay the the what i read it being associated as and i don't know if it's real or kayfabe is that eisner was on a larry king show i don't know if it's the podcasters at

cnn show uh but he was promoting his book camp and he mentions like well my cameo in soren but then there's other posts where people are like oh no he wasn't that's a stuntman he wasn't available that day well i don't think we need to be a stuntman i think he just swings there was a lot of talk about stunt performers i guess my beef is with those commenters i don't know i don't know i'm just asking maybe it's a physical action on camera it has to be aers. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just asking questions. Maybe it's a physical action on camera. It has to be a stuntman. I don't know. Maybe I got fanned.

Well, I don't know. Look, I've said that out loud. I'm sure a lot of people listening have said it out loud. I've never put it under the microscope, but we pick Soren as the topic. I start putting it under the microscope. I know you're right to do it. If we're going to say it, we want to know that it's real and you're right i start looking and it's a lie it's very divisive it's nobody on these message boards some people were saying i went on a disney tour the tour guide

said it interesting so this is one of the most i feel like i've seen this a lot heard it a lot yes more so than the if we can't talk about the fans now that's too much to talk about but like i've heard it more for sure than the fans yes the fans the fans was new to me and it probably hit my ear where if you haven't heard that episode we discussed whether some of the the speed of space mountain is simulated by cold air being blown on you by fans and we've've put it out to the, you know, and you know what? I feel like I haven't been proved. I say that's bunk.

I say there are no fans. I haven't been proven definitively right, but I haven't been proven officially wrong either. No one has been proven right or wrong. I've seen many interesting theories about the fans that would put it closer to Jason being right, but no one seems to have the definitive... What do you mean you put it closer to Jason? I haven't seen that.

That's not how I perceive it. Well, some people have an idea of like, it's not fans in the traditional, but like vents near where sort of the start of the ride. Yeah, HVAC systems come into play. My memory starts coming up. I feel like Colère is being blown away. Yeah, I'm not actually saying like, I just mean I've seen theories that are go okay well that's a type of

fan and it's in a different place than i would think versus what we were talking about the answer might be industrial fans a little more in the yes i i believe i believe we can rule out that there are like this ride has this ride does have fans yes blowing giant fans yeah and that's part of the it's part of the simulation and that's what blows the sense on you, too. But I think we can rule out fans, air cannons, because that's easy. You watch the lights on video. You don't see that there.

I'm not trying to reopen that. I'm just trying to keep the ball in the air, because I do want somebody to definitively prove this, right or wrong. Yeah, I am waiting to bashfully take my mousers off uh little beauties but i'm also waiting to confidently put my seat belt through that middle strap which i think the first few times i wrote it i did too because i'm like well i'm smaller it confused me i know i was like do i need to yeah i've watched the video a bunch of

times then i'm still like do I have to do this trap? Well, all right. I believe there were other terms to that wager, but if you end up being right, I will say, nice work, pal. Oh, that's good. That's good. And now I know you want to hear that. It's not as good as working more. This is like, and we will do this eventually.

I just want to quickly address this. This is like the story of the Hemisphere Dancer, and yes, rest in peace, Jimmy Buffett. Yeah, yes. We don't have time for that either, but you're right. We will get to a big... It's a bummer. It might not happen immediately,

but we will get to a big episode. I think we are building to... I think we all know eventually where it's going, where we will properly do our Buffett. We don't want to jam something out. Of course. We want to do it with love and respect. Uh-huh.

Take our time. But this feels similar to something about the Hemisphere Dancer, about who was actually on the plane. Sure. There's a lot. I've been down message board rabbit holes. Was Jimmy on the plane when the incident happened, where they were shot at by the Jamaican government?

Yes. So we will get into all that later. But this is, I'm upset with myself for not being more suspicious now because you're about to interesting point. About the Eisner issue? About the Eisner issue. Because yes, that was theme park fact in my head. And now I'm thinking, does he think,

is he even addressing it as like the character Michael Eisner appears in the ride? What does that mean basically meaning he doesn't have like he doesn't appear okay basically in the narrative of the ride michael eisner appears but he was not there that day for some reason well my argument there would be that makes no goddamn sense if that's the case eisner's out of his fucking mind that character is me the golfer is me it's possible because it's not a loony bin for that it's being filled people know they're being filled those people the golfers knew what was going on so he could be trying to say that's

me as a character that's my character you can't see his face so i've never seen the evidence that he is insane i would say something look not that kind of insane okay all right since i've been seven i've been destroying my mind with comic book logic in the last few years i've been destroying my mind more with wrestling logic so my brain is just soup at this point michael eisner had his face removed and replaced with another CEO? His face came off. Off. And then he appeared there with a different face. Don't go golfing not with my face.

I hate golf. No. Don't do it. He had a different face that day and it's his body and his brain but not different face. There was that weird couple years where Caster Troy was the head of Warner Brothers. Yeah, exactly. I think Eisner's body looked like it has different dimensions all of a sudden. Interesting.

My argument for why I don't think this is Michael Eisner is twofold. One is he is a busy man. This shoot, we have now just talked about some of the coordination that it took to put this shoot together, and I just talked about some of the coordination that it took to put this shoot together. And I'll say a couple other things about that. Okay, the rock climbers in the Yosemite scene, that all took six hours. They had to hang off of the rocks and reset and go up and down for six hours.

Something I read said, which is funny, something was like, these were not candid shots. I was like, okay, I didn't think we did. They didn't just go start shooting whatever. It's cinema verite. I was like, I don't know. Just get what we get. That was not. No, much coordination.

Now, granted, this is harder to get than somebody swinging a golf club. However, there's another thing about the desert sequence. It's a flyby from the thunderbirds um and i i forget what where that desert is i think the name is onza borrego um so the helicopter is going through the onza borrego desert um the thunderbirds to arrive at that point when they do right they took off from nellis air force base near las vegas nearly 200 miles away so it's like yeah action we go these this amount of feet you travel from vegas to here yeah so this is the level of coordination and and you know i think every one of these shots is a full

day endeavor uh it's it's crazy to do there's a lot of people to coordinate in this thing now i'll give you that maybe this was done with stand-ins and then mr eisner were ready for you but he's a busy guy i mean maybe he's vacationing there maybe he's in palm spring or indio specifically like actually i did it but um so maybe he would have to be there already or they were they drive him out there for a full day of this maybe he's getting work done he's on the floor he's on a vacation and then they just slide him in right before i'll give you that but it seems it seems complicated and think about look the guy does like to be on camera we know this he loves the camera we've seen many many clips of this but

those shots are all a uh you know a close and a and a two shot hello i'm michael eisner and it's done feet from his office um is he really going to hang around to be a dot that he barely takes credit for uh like as opposed to introducing himself as the chairman of the walt disney company within a close-up you know where it's it's very clear. Yeah, go ahead. But he knows these rides can last for decades. Sure. And decades. And the other thing is

Palm Springs as a small airport which you can fly Burbank to Palm Springs. I'm assuming that's a 30-minute flight. Could be.

So maybe he was in his office. They had him back in the office for a conference call at the end of the day. Well, let me uh back in the office for a conference call at the end of the day well let me go back to the thing i said that confused everyone uh what if they said to him it would be really fun if you were the golfer in palm springs that would be really he goes yeah great i love that i've never really done it on the ride blah blah blah this is great

so then they're sort of logistically explaining to him how long it takes he's going as well this is gonna take forever who gives it and they're like well you know what they're not gonna really be able to see your face and he goes all right well uh my wife will get a polo shirt out of my closet let's just throw it on a kid a pa and they'll do the golf swing and we'll say i did it it's me we'll say it's me swing. And like, it's his clothes. Technically, he's not on there. This makes more sense than him creating a fictional character that his essence is embodied. It's a more practical way to explain the same thing.

Yes, you're right. It's a more reasonable way. Let's just get a me-esque guy. Yeah, and I'll say it's me. And that's fun because I'm a little cameo like Alfred Hitchcock or something. I guess so. Yeah, it's possible. Maybe it's that.

I'll give you that. Maybe it's that. It's a strange answer, but I guess I'd buy it. Yeah, that's a theory. Well, my other thing is that I feel like by the year 2000, they're like, all right, we're bailing out water on this california adventure shit like eisner's spending most of his time picking out carpet samples for the hotel you know and the hotel is terrific you know and the area is adjacent to the hotel pretty nice so you're saying he doesn't have time because he's picking out carpet samples

well i feel like everyone's just losing, like the movies aren't making the money they want them to make. It's not certainly the golden age of his tenure at the company. But that seems like a time where you don't want to go deal with the hassle of being in the ride. Yeah. And where you got busy

and maybe you don't want to be a face in it at this point. I don't know. Although then he's in the special. In the Disney War book, everyone talks like everyone hated the ABC merger. They're like, why are we doing this? As opposed to all other mergers, which have been good for everyone. Oh, sure. A rare dark merger. Do you think anyone pitched a different thing?

Like, all right, Michael, you're going to fly by in the jet. You're going to have to learn how to fly the jet and we're gonna you're gonna turn your head and go hello it just says the jet goes by or he's one of the climbers or like was there ever uh i think in a hot air balloon basket would be more oh that's great because they just rewaves yeah and that's the hidden mickey in the ride which gets a long weekend at napa out of it i think you should have had him be we didn't talk about this the hang glider when you do see an actual hang glider in yosemite yeah and one of the complaints about uh the world's version is the cgi but there is some cgi that is undoubtedly a

digital hang glider so why not go further with it why not have him spin around and say hello i'm michael eisenberg in full suit he's not even chairman of the walt disney company and today chairman of uh the sky uh yes can i present one more argument for why i don't believe that it is him okay jason you alluded at the beginning of this to um the most plausible source on this is that maybe he said it i was on a radio show maybe maybe it was larry king uh i found him on larry king in 2004 and you can search the transcript so i searched and soren did come up and i lit up perhaps this could be it but instead what it was is a caller because larry king took callers and it was a caller shockingly saying uh hey i

just want to say i agree with what roy disney has said and i don't think that you have a full day park in california adventure whoa the only thing we liked was soaring uh over america got the title wrong uh and saying falsehoods to our our hero uh a woman, I think, complained on the phone. That's crazy. And he goes right into kind of pitch mode and says, well, you know, we have Tower of Terror. Ma'am, have you been on Tower of Terror in Florida? I think she hung up.

Okay, she hung up. But anyway, Tower of Terror is one of the most popular rides, and it's coming. So he goes into defense mode. Something he does not say is, well, you know, Soren, actually, it's interesting. I'm the golfer in Soren sorry he doesn't bring it up there then i thought this is not it because the uh another thing that message board person said is he was promoting his book camp this was the camp

was not the now bestseller classic camp about his days in summer camp was not out yet so we got to do an episode of a camp we're to have to read camp at some point. Oh, that's a good one. Camp is not very long, and I think the library lending app has the audio book, but I think it's abridged. So I don't know what they've got. We need the full version. What?

How dare they? That's like censoring. That's like when Blockbuster would edit the videos for content and cut the sex and violence. That's akin to book burning. Don't fuck with camp. Yeah, don't fuck with camp. But I started looking for when was he promoting the book Camp,

and he did make an appearance promoting Camp on the Charlie Rose show just post his tenure. So a lot of the discussion is that he is out of the company, and he's also trying to put a good face on that. It's actually better. It's better that this happened. So he's in that mode while also selling his now classic book camp. But so, you know, I'm not finding – Soren is not mentioned in that transcript.

I'm not finding what I need there. But strangely, what does come up is golf. There's a discussion of golf, and how do you relax? So what are you going to do now? Are you going to golf? And he says, well, my problem is I think golf should be 13 holes. He gets tired of golfing. He doesn't. And Charlie Rose responds, you don't like golf? I don't like the last five holes. It's too long. So I can't play golf. Charlie Rose comes back to it a minute later. You don't even play golf. I used to play golf twice. Now, I loved writing this book.

He changes the subject. So, I say to this, why is he in a scene as a golfer when it's not something that he even likes to do? Why would he take the time to, why would he do this sport that he abhors on camera? At first, he does say he likes the first 13 holes. I guess so, but another thing perhaps you let me submit this into evidence. What hole was this scene

filmed on on the Arnold Palmer designed PGA West course in Indio? What hole? Why it's a par 4 and it is hole 16. Do you think he played the hole? That was part of the timing of the whole thing, is he had to play the hole and get a 16 as the helicopter swooped in.

Maybe it's why. Maybe if Charlie Rose had let him keep talking, or maybe they were getting towards the end of the hour, and he said, you know, I don't like it because, you know, you're waiting around. It takes forever. You have to wait for the helicopter to go by. It takes hours.

They tell you it's only going to be a minute, but then they've got to do other takes. You know, frankly, because of the IMAX camera, I just don't like playing golf. I just said, you know, the biggest in my head, probably in all of our heads, we're thinking that makes sense. Eisner is a CEO. CEO is golf. It's a cheeky little thing that he's, well, why why doesn't the golfer be why isn't the golfer Eisner

but he does not he does not but we know hockey is his sport he might be in a hockey scene but why is he golfing if he doesn't like golf it could also be though a little joke we know Michael doesn't like to golf so he's the golfer that hits the drive well you would have to be a deep Eisner fan

as we are from the vantage point of 2023 because he had not yet publicly announced his distaste for golf Well, you would have to be a deep Eisner fan, as we are from the vantage point of 2023, because he had not yet publicly announced his distaste for golf on the Charlie Rose show in 2005. He needs to do the show. There's so many questions that keep cropping up. And none of them will be about anything serious. No. This is what he needs to understand.

No. They will all be about his acting. We want to do an inside the actor's studio with Michael Eisner. It's just like, is he in the video? Yes. Acting wise. And like, is he in the video? Yes. Acting wise. And like, what was it like to act with Mickey Mouse? Yeah.

Yeah. And camp. Half of it will be about camp. Yeah. Once we've done that episode, once we fall in love with his book, Camp. Yeah. It's going to be all about camp. Partners, his other book about creative partnerships.

Yeah, we'll do it. Boy, see, nobody writes better books than ceos oh maybe maybe former presidents but uh besides that it's a second to ceo oh they're all normal and they're all chill anyway i don't think i've definitively proved it and let me just say you're good evidence you have good it's pretty good evidence i didn't expect to find that the transcript of the Charlie Rose interview. I would love to be proven wrong, because it's better.

It's more fun to think. Was I happier when I was going on the ride, thinking, you know, that's Michael Eisner. And now here I am. Now I've become like this Bill Maher skeptic of the show. Now, like, you really believe. You believe. You're a thinking person, and you think that Michael Eisner plays golf in the Sorenrad?

No, this is good. This is good. The fan thing, I think, has really lit this under you, and I think this is good because this is, again, accepted fact. I accepted it as fact, and maybe we need to reevaluate a lot of things we think we know about theme park. That's what this is about thinking deeper thinking harder thinking more clearly right which is why we need to go back and do indiana jones

again before we get it's time we go clear we gotta start we need to go clear on indiana jones Indiana Jones. Gotta clear out some Thetans. ASAP. I will say, one thing I've found out that seems to be a certainty, the music, the music on Soarin' terrific. But one thing, however, is certain, the music

is fantastic. Toes must be tapped. Extra, extra. The guy who did the score. Jerry Goldsmith. Jerry Goldsmith. This fucking guy's a legend. Rest in peace, Jerry Goldsmith.

Tora, Tora, Tora. Patton. List them. Alien. Colder Guys. Cheer Jason on. Ellen. Confidential.

The Mummy. You're not even getting to my favorite of all of them. Gremlins and Gremlins 2. That's a good one. Those are good too, but no. We're talking Star Trek First Contact. Well, he did the main theme, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What we know is the movie theme. Yes, this guy did so much. I guess John Williams probably still wins, but this is a close second, I think, even as far as iconic stuff. Planet of the Apes, you throw that in? Planet of the Apes. And here's an erector set story.

The first time he went on the ride, he came down, he was crying, he was in tears. And he said his father was a pilot who loved everything about Californiaifornia and he would do anything to be a part of this ride wow yeah he also i believe said because it meant so much to him uh he would have done it for free um i'm pretty certain he did not do it for free because i believe we got to hang out with the person who brokered the deal, Richard Kraft, Disney collector. Yeah, yeah.

I think he did not allow free to be. Acting, if you act in a ride video, you make nothing. Well, with something to ask Eisner. Yeah, of course. I got to do it. I need a $200 bonus. Sure, I made 30 mil this year. Mil penalty.

I've been here a long time. Trying to get on the sag. Health insurance, it's better. You know, only 20%. 20%. I'm wearing my own. CEO's Guild isn't so good. I'm wearing my own slacks.

It's an extra $50 bump. It's dry cleaning. Wear and tear on these shoes. I had to wear golf spikes. That's a special equipment. I'm going to have to take in the mil needies. No, shoes don't count. Stunt performer bump.

$300. Golf is a stunt. Golf is stunts. I i hate golf so it's a stunt to do it uh uh so i've completely lost my train of thought uh acting in a video is uh nothing you don't make anything and then you don't make residuals but music in the park i've heard and i don't know if it was from him i think no i think it was i think well somewhere i heard you have to sort at at a certain point, you have to count the amount of times a song even plays in the park and it all goes through whatever negotiation.

Boy, when you were Huey Lewis in Back to the Future, The Ride era. Yeah. Oh, man. Breaking it in. I hope the news got in on that, too. The Michael Jackson estate when Do the Bartman plays at Universal.

Yes. So, yeah, I think you make your money if you have a song playing in a park. Yeah, well, I think other of his scores were playing in that. There are some of the film scores in the line. And you know what? It's not his only theme park money because I didn't realize Jerry Goldsmith, the Universal fanfare oh right maybe this guy beats john williams no heresy look i don't i don't want to speak ill of the dead

jerry goldsmith passed away three years after doing this uh yeah this score but uh not quite because come on indiana junk star wars're done Star Wars or the Star Trek First Contact theme you have to be you have to view things from a certain lens yeah for First Contact

specifically yeah outside of the other Star Treks to be what pops for you but incredible

very great work and so much of what holds the whole thing together right that's so much of the heart of whole thing together right that's so much above the heart of it's and the magic it's doing almost half the work i'm not saying the rest of it's not doing all the work and it wouldn't be fun but it does so much of the work of the five obviously

because it's just such a good piece of music and it goes a long way into making it mom's favorite ride other uh other senses sense literal blasting you with sense that i feel like by the way you know what i'm gonna propose this just so we're not russian uh uh i think a little california can leak into worlds i don't know when we're gonna do worlds but you don't feel like you gotta like jam it all in we can talk about sense right now because i got some really weird flying theater stuff okay i learned about the other format of flying theater that's a perfect thing to do well that's where we're gonna cover the other fake ones too and the fake ones fit perfectly into the other one unless that's it we might

discover that's its own episode too i don't know possible i have a lot of uh information here's a tease i've got a lot of information about the uss john c stennis the aircraft carrier in the san diego sequence so stennis heads we aren't forgetting about you yeah it'll come later but anyway don't feel free to what were you gonna say i was just gonna say we we skipped over before we talked about like the malibu and the coast yeah that is the best in my mind at the end towards the end yes my number one my favorite part of it absolutely that is just like that is the most gorgeous pink it is so relaxing um like getting so dim it's got to be like the dimmest that you can still be shooting and you can barely see the waves you

could barely see the servers but the sound is so calming that's my favorite part of the music it's like rippling it's magic by that point yeah and you also not to be not to make it about me again we did skip over me and what i do with my legs on the ride oh yeah we did i stretch out because i'm usually doing this towards the end of the day and i'm usually doing it with some wine this is a perfect it's the wine tasting of rides um so you know i want that to kick in especially for this malibu sequence and yes at the end of a long theme park day i've been walking and walking and walking and i have very tense calves in general i don't know if i've opened up about that on the show they get real tense they're pretty meaty if you ever get a look at them.

I ride my bike a lot. Meaty calves. I got them from my dad. Can you do a little more Warburton on that one? Meaty calves. I got them from my dad. All right, good. Yeah.

No, they're fucking bricks. Scott's got meaty calves. My hamstrings are dog shit. Just totally shot doing physical therapy. Yours are, no. Which I've heard other podcasts past guests also uh i messaged him because what a time to be alive they were talking about their ailments physical therapy and it's like that makes me feel a lot better that's nice

yeah podcasters connecting over leg over leg ailments um it's got some meaty leg muscles well look i stretch you stretch them out and you know what yeah that's kind of the only like muscular part of my body exactly the same as my dad so anyway they're they're tense by the end of that day and it's it's exactly at that part that i give them just a big old stretch as far as they can go and then i feel better it's the best place to be doing it um i feel so peaceful at that specific part of the ride here's the thing okay this is maybe a larger conversation so i hate to do it but it's an interesting i think it's interesting and if it's not tell me to fuck off there's sometimes when we've been on these rides bored bored fuck off

all right let me finish the thought all right all right no it's okay it's okay i'm comfortable with it uh sometimes you know when you go on these rides a lot and and you get i would say sometimes even you're tired you're there and maybe this is more in our younger days when we were there more often you go on a ride that's a classic ride you love it and there would be necessary the magic sometimes would be a little bit gone for part of the experience in the sense that like okay yeah i'm on whatever i've been on haunted mansion a ton of times on it again but i think there's always a moment in almost all these rides where it's impossible for the magic not to hit you a little bit you know what i'm saying like sometimes you're just

there and you've been there forever and everything is just fresh and it's good again and then sometimes you're on things and it feels a little sleepier and you're not getting the spark you want but this malibu using this as an example this malibu scene on soren always gets the magic in my brain that always that's the perfect time i've never not felt that feeling that feels special in that part and i would be interested to know on all of the rides if there's kind of a moment that actually like rips you from reality back into the it always hits yes yeah that's interesting well i think one thing in soren's favor this ride is nearly five minutes it's like i think i saw four minutes 51 seconds thrown around that is long that's a pretty long ride yeah you get to really escape and that's deep into the

escape and you're not anxious to get out of there right and it's kind of before it's sort of like a little bit of peace before the the grand finale where it gets a little more active and bombastic uh and we'll take i mean we'll talk about those things later why not that's this is a good amount i think we got through a lot of amount of yeah but now we now with now the other stuff can breathe and is this ride not about breathing relaxing not rushing uh um so that's perfect and no like i think you're right that moment always hits some moment always hits yeah so you know there's magic in the air there you survived podcast the ride uh i think right are we done we let's move it all to i'm wanting more policy isn't this better than like no no no no we're not gonna move on until

well it's funny sometimes so it's not always better but it's funny sometimes but i love stretching i love doing the stretch yeah yeah i agree well i think i think we've had a moment here as nice as the Malibu sequence. And now we get to, we'll pick it up. Maybe it's not until 2024. We'll see what other business we have to do. Because there's a lot of stuff coming. We're getting scary soon.

We're heading into Hauntcast. Yeah. But more rides coming your way. It won't be all rides. Look, you know this podcast now. It's not always going to be rides. We also talked about rides in the Vegas. There were rides.

Yes, we a thousand percent did. What are you talking about? Some of the weirdest. We're discovering rides that could have been forgotten. So that's, yes, I know. Pish posh. Pish posh. Anyway, thanks for soaring with us.

You know, and I'd like, I was going to demand like a round of applause like you get at the end of the ride because you always kind of get that because like i said there's always newbies on it but i just we just kind of like we're mad at people and now i'm not gonna tell them to clap for us that's not fair but what you can do find us on the socials of podcast the ride merch is available in our t public store for three bonus episodes every month check out podcast the ride the second gate uh soon talking about perhaps disney's first screen ride we're going way back if this is the ultimate of them one of the ultimates of them we're going back into the history on the second gate should be fun uh or one more bonus episode on our vip tier club three you'll find all of that at patreon.com

slash podcast the ride um well yeah sorry uh disneyland we'll have to wait we didn't even talk about the finale no we didn't you're gonna have to wait uh-huh sit it out disneyland that's fine not your time to shine yeah 2024 i think unless we unless we want to get to it sooner because we're feeling that sore yeah we didn't even talk about how it's so weird that our ride at disney world in florida uh for years and years ended at Disneyland in California. Yes, that it was a ride in Florida that takes you to California and specifically to Camarillo. We'll get there. Yep.

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