Podcast: The Ride - Submarine Voyage

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

We take a look at Disneyland's Submarine Voyage. From it's whimsical/Cold War beginnings to its current Finding Nemo version. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forever! Dog! slash Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage slash the valuable theme park land underneath Submarine Voyage on Podcast The Ride, where today we are discussing yellow submarines, which puts us perilously at risk of a Ringo tangent. I'm Scott Gerdner, there's Jason Sheridan. Yeah, sure. Well, yellow submarines designates them as research subs. That's true. Oh, wow. Now you know. So that's what the Beatles were singing about. They were curious about oceanographic

research. Mike Carlson, hi. Hello, peace and love. Peace and love. Peace and love. Mike Carlson here. Yellow is actually the color you can see the most at the depths. I love your Ringo. Is that a Ringo?

The Ringo is second to your... I've got to tell you. Peace and love, peace and love. I will not... I'm Ringo Starr, baby. I will not be signing any more autographs, baby, after this date. Wow. Jason's the first one with the impression out of the gate here.

I didn't expect that either for the Ringo. Perfect ring. For those of you, if you aren't super versed in it and you don't know how Ringo talks, perfect right on the money. I don't want to cause the tangent, but I thought of that joke

and then I thought about how you and I saw Ringo and the All-Star Band years ago and I chose Yellow Submarine to take a bathroom break, and you were upset about it. Or maybe not upset, but it was kind of like, what? Yeah, yeah. Are you sure?

You did hear what they're playing, right? Right. Well, he plays a couple of his Beatles songs, a few of them. I got a boy, want a boy, got a girl. I love boys. We've talked about how you do not like them. I got a boy when a boy likes a girl. I love boys. We've talked about how you do not like boys. I don't really care for boys. And I love boys. Boys is fine.

It's a cover also. That's not one of the originals, but that is a ring go. I love boys and I love when they love girls. Talking about boys. I'm veering into, I'm criticizing impressions, but I'm veering into Eddie Vedder.

Ah, boys. I bet Eddie Vedder loves this song, Boys. I bet he does. He might. You should do it with it. That seems like, if that hasn't happened at a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction,

then what are we doing? Seriously. Do I think, oh, shit, you really, you've ruined the episode. I hate to tell you this, but you've ruined the episode immediately.

I believe Ringo does Boys with Green Day at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Oh, no. I believe they back up. Oh, no I didn't know I was stepping in a Green Day Shaped pile of shit For sure they did Boys with Ringo At least there was a different song They for sure were with Ringo Because I believe they all got in at the same year

I don't remember a couple years ago That's right they're in They got in like first year Their first year ballot I think It's a band of all Ringo's. And Ringo had to get in because Paul McCartney had to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and be like, you know, Ringo should be in. What are we doing here? What are we doing? Ringo's a big star. The other three in. We should put Ringo in. I'll come.

And like he had to make a deal like, I'm coming. I will induct him. And they were like, I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame must have been very resistant to induct another man over 70. Yeah, yeah. I mean, is that really something they want to do? No, they hate doing that, but yeah. So real quick, Paul wrote a book,

a second book in his Hey Grand Dude series. Yes. Called Grand Dude's Green Submarine. Is it children's books book it's a children's book and my daughter has this book hey grand dude is now grand dude is the name of his old man character so it's not grandpa it's grand dude and that is now a paul mccartney original ip where does he play the character well he doesn't play it. He writes it. Oh. It's credited as written by Paul McCartney. He's never dressed up as Grand Dude anywhere.

As far as I know, not yet. I hope one day we get a Grand Dude movie, because obviously Paul was in one of the Pirates movies. Jason is over there carefully checking his list of submarine names. Oh, yeah. Fine. You guys go. I'll get this ready.

You guys go ahead. I've got a lot of Cold War paraphernalia to brush up on. He's chomping at the bit to do it. But I was like, so Paul now has another submarine in the Beatles can. A green submarine now, too? There's a green submarine. Because Paul and John wrote yellow. What's next, purple?

Well, if he lives long enough, I think we're going to get all the colors. Because John and Paul wrote yellow submarine for Ringo. That's not a Ringo penned original. So Paul now has written two different color submarines. I don't think I knew that until this morning, until I knew, knowing this was coming. I didn't know that was a Lennon McCartney. And then it was kind of, the verse is kind of like a, actually kind of a tender Lennon folky. I listened to his demo of just the verse.

Right, right. It's not sing-songy and silly at all. Yeah. That's John's seriousness. Right. When you got Ringo in there, you. It's not sing-songy and silly at all. Yeah. That's John's seriousness. Right. When you got Ringo in there, you got to make it sing-songy and a little silly. We agree. We have different Beatles opinions here and there, but we do agree that, and we both have

this policy in our homes, that our children only read books by celebrity authors. Yeah, yeah. My son has a stacked line of jimmy fallon's ever written hey there moo moo or whatever celebrity books are certainly are not ghost written no they you couldn't do that you would have to lock up if i don't know if sophia vergara uh wasn't the author of her book yeah she could go to jail for that. Yeah, right. That's true. None of these guys want to do that dance. And I've got all the books ready for when she gets older, too.

I mean, I have the whole William Shatner tech war collection ready to go. All of his Star Trek expanded universe novels as well. Again, not ghostwritten. Definitely William Shatner sat down and wrote them. I'm just waiting for like, what is the right age for my teenage son to start reading the chelsea handler body of work i mean it's a little because he should probably be of drinking age because it's all like oh it's very yeah hey there martini right i believe we've met i'm chelsea uh jason look up does jay leno have any children's books he does he does okay he's got no i think it's called if roast beef could fly oh yeah i know that to the pile jay leno's acting career jay leno's wrestling career

jay leno's children's book career yeah yeah no we've been told about if roast b i believe listeners have said like thought of you and saw it at a goodwill that's probably right that's why i thought it if roast beef could fly yeah well roast beef, that's an important topic to Jay because he eats roast beef probably 12 times a week in his rotation. That's as far as he stretches his diet. That's as weird as he gets. Right. Well, yeah, 12 times.

So seven days a week for breakfast. And then like the hobbits, he also has 11th season second breakfast. So he squeezes it in. Sure, yeah. also has 11 C's in second breakfast so he squeezes it in sure yeah Mike of course I got your daughter the Krasenstein book how the people trumped Ronald Plump

the one those kook con men on the on Twitter Ed and Brian Krasenstein were always doing, like, vote! You must vote! And then they made the book with, like, shirtless Robert Mueller, like,

jacked Robert Mueller. You're considering these guys celebrities? Oh, these are! Sure, internet micro-celebrities. Their celebrity's only gonna grow. That's true. In the next couple years, how do people trump Ronald? But we're gonna have to read that book so that we know how to trump

him. How to vote him out. How to vote him. Alright, that's fair. I don't know if you know this, but Ronald Plump is based on a real man. And a real threat. Oh my goodness. Well, thank you for buying those books. I assume you'll give them to me one day. Oh, yeah. Yeah, well.

You're reading them and enjoying them yourself i'm keeping the first printing but you guys can have the second and third you've already pre-purchased the second and third printing so oh yeah yeah they're already ever since they did that debate with glenn glenn greenwald and whatever destiny is i think he's a streamer no one's making you know about any of this. No one's making you watch any of this. No one's making me know, but I do know this. Glenn Greenwald is not as... I'm so sorry you know it. Glenn Greenwald is not as fun to talk about as

Shatner or Leno. No, that's true. These are more unpleasant celebrities. That's true. Oh, the positive endorphins everyone got when they heard Tech War. Yeah, Tech War is fun. Bill Shatner is fun. I think we can all agree the complete works of Tech War is fun. A friend of the show, Andrew Grissom, texted me a photo of William Shatner is fun. I think we can all agree the complete works of tech war is fun. A friend of the show, Andrew Grissom, texted

me a photo of William Shatner with Coco the Gorilla last night, and I was delighted. And you guys refer to it as tech-sting. Oh, yeah. Your thread is called Mike and Andrew text. T-E-K-T. Yeah. Alright. The tangent

has been cleared out. promise no more green day references because i'll personally bleep them out uh so now we can get down to the business the the often delayed business of our tomorrowland series the slowest moving series much like disney we have found a lot of other things to do oh yeah deal with Tomorrowland. But we're here. We're doing it now. And we're dealing with, I think, a crucial piece of Tomorrowland. Part of Tomorrowland's first big expansion. Part of Disneyland's first big expansion.

And that's the submarine voyage later and currently finding Nemo submarine voyage. I think it's an important part of of the story of disneyland uh uh been there forever a stalwart so i think that we should honor it we should say uh what's great about it and then we should talk about what we're gonna do when we get that sweet sweet land back when when these when these suckers are kicked out of the park forever. There's a great big beautiful tomorrow and the cement trucks are pulling onto it to fill that nine million gallon water sink.

Fill it up. No more. Yeah. Drain the chlorine. But you know what? We'll try to say some nice things. Although, how about this? Before we do any history of it, just knee-jerk current feelings about finding nemo submarine voyage how about that how how much do we do it i've done it i think once yeah since it's reopened

since reopened as the finding nemo might be it might be twice. I might be twice. Yeah, maybe I'm twice. I've done it a handful of times. It's really slow loading. Yeah. It is fun. I have a lot of warm feelings, I think, towards 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea at Disney World. Sure. Which we covered.

That is done with Stoney Sharp years ago. So we'll not be discussing that here. That is off table that clears up time for more if roast beef could fly oh thank god but that did answer i i watched the the defunct land about it um and that did answer a long running question of mine uh which was like uh 20 000 leagues the movie with kurt douglas and james mason comes out in the mid 50s and then this opens in 59 the submarine voyage and i was like why didn't they just make it 20 000 leagues and then i'm oh, submarines were still very future-y. And as Kevin points out in the Defunct Land video, the Tomorrowland of Florida didn't quite make sense for a submarine voyage.

But 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea is a little more fantasy-based, so that's how it ended up in fantasy land. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Yes. Whereas it's a little more, started a little more clinical here in Disneyland. And submarines were all the rage at the time.

It was submarine fever in America. Well, the journey through liquid space, you know, we're going through space space. And now the unexplored part of uh planet earth liquid space sure briny deep yeah and what could be down there uh some barnacles and mollusks and then uh and then one goofy sea serpent with crossed eyes that's right what might be down there yeah can someone just refresh my memory and confirm was that goofy sea serpent at that that's from disneyland exhibit that might have been a uh richard craft owned yeah uh item i think it was like right when you first walked in you ran into

the sea serpent yeah yeah i believe so yeah that that does sound familiar um one thing uh well no i'll save that. You know, we're sort of in history. Why not go into it a little bit? So this is not opening day Disneyland, but there was a lagoon pretty early on in that spot at Disneyland. There was something called the Phantom Boats over there. This is one of the most disastrous attractions of all time. We might have touched on it a little bit when we did our tomorrowland was weird episode uh they they broke all the time

guests piloted them on their own and that didn't work and then they started putting like here's all right you got a navigator in the back yeah um and and so therefore i mean a ride where there's a person in every single car, that gets tough to ride. You run low staffing-wise, and I think they still broke a lot. So this was only open for a year. Left them with a lagoon. And I guess Walt had a hunch that phantom boats aren't the future, that we will not be piloting phantom boats around our local canals and oceans. They did look cool, though.

I did like those fins. Meanwhile, as I said, submarine fever. Why, the real submarine, the Nautilus, in 1958, right before this ride opened, became the first submarine to travel under the polar ice cap. I could say many more real submarine facts. I'm quite versed, but there's no need. I don't think we have that. You can sprinkle them in as we go. Oh, sure.

Oh, I'd love to, and I will. Yeah. And definitely remember that I said that I would. Yeah, yeah. But no, it's like, I don't think I realized this, how current they were, which makes it a little interesting in that I can't think of an example of like now Disney does an attraction that's like based on something that everybody's obsessed with. I don't know what that is like like segways.

Yeah, you mean they opened a segway experience. A technology and then not a movie not a property. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, just like everyone's excited about. I mean there was a self-driving car time. We've talked about how there was a minute where, like, take that Autopia and all its stinky diesel and turn it into a- Jason said this.

Why don't you give it to Elon Musk, I think. He said it in 2018. Why doesn't Elon Musk just do a bunch of Teslas there? Did you say that before we knew? Yes. I think a lot of people are saying that. I think we all agreed at the time. I'm actually not.

I don't think we knew a lot about the man at the time, at least in the public consciousness. Real life Iron Man, we knew that. We knew he was really like Tony Stark. That's what we knew. And we could project anything onto that. Tony Stark, good at quipping, funny. So probably Elon Musk, it stands stands to reason is extremely funny recovering alcoholic

tony stark famously uh the usually deeming dealing with the demon of alcoholism but his mcu tony stark they kind of in two they touched on it but they don't really they don't really go there like you know get into the real life stimulants. Sure. There's not a lot of stimulant. A lot of people are wild about stimulant subplots in the movies. The Adderall. They don't. Iron Man 3.

Did Iron Man take Adderall? No, no. I was saying Iron Man 3 does not deal with the Adderall shortage that was going around. That's true. You're right. That's true. A while back. What drugs did Tony Stark do?

I mean, are you shown that in children's comics? Well, in the 70s Demon in the Bottle? 80s Demon in the Bottle. 80s Demon in the Bottle is a very famous Iron Man, and it's like a big Tony with dark circles under his eyes with the helmet off, looking in the mirror in a bottle there. Oh. That was a big storyline.

Yeah, Green Lantern and Green Arrow both dealt with racism, in the mirror in a bottle there oh that was a big uh story yeah green lantern green arrow book dealt with like uh racism speedy green arrow sidekick got addicted to heroin really yeah there's like a cover where like speedy his like green arrows young ward is like tying his arm off is that to like look i've you might be surprised i've never done heroin doesn't heroin kind of slow things down was he sick of all the speed well green arrow oh so green arrow is just the guy with the bow and arrow yes but wait but speedy you said that was his name but he didn't run fast right no he didn't run fast yeah how did he get this name his name got changed to arsenal i think in the 90s they fixed it they fixed it yeah good

i go right to if i'm reading a comic and somebody named Speedy is in it, I have one expectation, and it's not that he does heroin. There are a lot of Flash characters, and none of them are named Speedy. There's Kid Flash, there's Impulse. There's Max Mercury, Jesse Quick. Well, Jesse Quick's pretty good. Jesse Quick is quick. Yeah, he is quick.

I should hope so. She. Oh, right, right. It's not an accidental mistake. Jesse Quick doesn Quick? Yeah, he is Quick. I should hope so. She. Oh, right, right. It's not an accidental last name. Jesse Quick doesn't shoot arrows. Anyway, Walt starts dreaming of what to do with that big plot of land. Disneyland's first big expansion. Wait, did I say the full list?

That in 59, what comes... I mean, this is so significant, they call it the second opening of Disneyland. Even its monorail, its Matterhorn, its subs. What a transformative time. I mean, that's truly the announcement. Disneyland's here to stay. Disneyland is going to do stuff like this, like big, ambitious expansions. So it's very important.

And I feel like something that had never been tried before either. This is one of the things where I'm trying to give it credit before we start salivating. Yeah. I believe this is also the e-tickets started for these attractions. This was one of the first e-tickets. There were no e-tickets. Again, it's one of those things. Now that there are online tickets, people say it's an e-tickets again this is one of those things now there are online tickets people say is it yeah

when uh uh yeah um a's were you bought individual ride tickets at that time a's were uh the trash cans the water fountains you had to use an e an a ticket to throw something away yes yeah some most sidewalks were free but if you wanted to step up on some of the nicer brick work that'll cost you an a and then they'll kick it like no that only gets you 20 feet you're out the free the free sidewalks were the ones that uh lady shoes kept getting stuck in in that opening day yeah that's why they're free yeah that's why you can walk in that oh you want the hard walkable surfaces that's gonna cost you um no but this is like uh this seems like kind of it's one of those like crazy dreams that walt had

threw it at the guys and said you figure it out and they did figure it out um there were a lot of things to figure out um if we're gonna do a submarine ride does that imply and you want to see fish and aquatic life and stuff okay maybe we can put some of those in there like it's a big tank well most types of water you will not see any fish that live in there so it's going to have to be chlorine

and if it's chlorine then certainly we cannot have fish swimming around that won't work yeah they need chlorine for maintenance they said the logistics of rotating vehicles and the need for consistent visitor experiences so it's we end up with this is like underwater jungle cruise in a way they don't do uh real animals because you can't depend on those right yeah and it's um like to me and maybe i'm getting ahead of myself we're getting ahead of the conversation but like to me, and maybe I'm getting ahead of myself or getting ahead of the conversation, but like to me, the big thing is just like make sure it looks like it's going underwater.

Like ultimately, yes, without the realism was not able to be achieved really as far as what you're seeing outside. So literally, I think the big magic trick of it is just like it's got to look like a kid like you're going underwater. Oh my God, this is crazy. Yeah. is just like it's got to look like a kid like you're going underwater oh my god this is crazy yeah and i feel like it was oddly late in my knowledge of this ride which again i think all iterations oh yeah i know you're gonna say i don't think i think i've only been on it four times in my life but i'm sure i went on it once or twice without knowing that you don't actually

dive yes yeah i didn't know that until a couple years ago wow i think i mean i don't feel stupid if you feel the same way yeah yeah i was fooled and the kid i was freaked too yeah sure i said that you take their word for it and you don't you don't realize what that effect is and what's that basically there's just moments where they say dive they say the word dive and then bubbles are released and kind of cover your, your porthole window. Um, cause that's, that's the thing about the ride. If you've never been on it, it's this very narrow space as a, some might say a claustrophobic

space and you put your, uh, everybody's got an individual porthole. Um, and, uh, and you, you put your head inside it pretty much and, uh, and everybody's got their own little personal porthole view of a bunch of scenes in aquatic life and stuff but yeah i because you only see the beginning i mean you can that's another nice thing i'll say about this attraction that i i think the lagoon looks very nice i like it in its current form i like it with the seagulls yeah mine mine mine that's fun um and you watch the submarines do a pass from the loading area they kind of do a full loop and then they disappear behind a waterfall they like move through a waterfall unless that doesn't operate anymore

i don't remember um but it moves into a show building that's kind of a thing you forget about this yes there is a show building and a big show building and by the time you're in there you can really control it and light it and it starts feeling like you're really in the depths

more than when you've got natural sunlight and you can look up and see the water line. Yeah. No, it's great. Again, yeah, a couple years ago

probably right before this podcast maybe did I learn it on the 20,000 Leagues episode? I don't even remember. Maybe. Maybe if they remember that episode can tell me when did I learn it? You tell me000 leagues episode i don't remember maybe if they remember that episode can

tell me when i when did i learn it you tell me listeners when i learned it much like jason didn't tell me how i got to manhattan from the airport this was a second gate thing yes you demanded to know what routes you took many many listeners i will say did tell me how i did it they knew they did know yes from new from new york how'd you end up on the Long Island Railroad? I had to take an air train or something. Okay. Yeah. I took an air train and get to the Long Island Railroad.

But now, listeners tell me, when did I learn that there was a show building for these subs? I don't know. They're going to have to look at transcripts or something, find the phrase, I didn't know they're gonna tell me uh you know like look at transcripts or something uh find the phrase i didn't know that mary lou henner is a listener to podcast the ride you probably remember it perfectly because she of course has a perfectly perfect recall in her memory so what mary lou henner from taxi m Henner from Taxi. Has this never come up on the show before? No, I didn't know that before. Wow, okay.

Now listeners know when I learned that. Mary Lou Henner from Taxi has what she claims is a perfect memory. She recalls every moment in her life from like the minute to minute. So she can tell you like what days things happened. Is that horrible? Is that a burden? It doesn't seem like it. She seems like a nice lady who's having a nice time.

I always like seeing her on things. Yeah. Looks great. If she's a listener to Podcast of the Ride, she could probably tell me. Mary Lou. We'd love to hear her thoughts on the submarine voyage. Of course. Sure.

We'll repeat it again. We didn't know you were listening. We, of course, would have given this to you as a guest. We we didn't know you were listening we of course would have given this to you as a guest we just didn't know you were listening of course uh we'll never forget now much like you mary lou um but uh so yeah dives are all simulated which i think they do a good job but that's pretty good if you know we're into this stuff more than others yeah fooled us yeah that's and that's the whole thing like to me i think that's that's the magic with it yeah like that's that's especially for kids if you were going to make an argument for this thing sticking around that's like maybe the only thing that i

think is still kind of special about it is the actual idea that the kid's going under like you're getting going underwater yes and you are you do go underwater you underwater. Not very far. And if you peer your head really at the beginning of the ride, if you peer your head all the way, stick it all the way up that porthole, then you can see the waterline. And like sun or moonlight poking through. And these are technically

boats I saw. These are not technically submarines. Really? They wouldn't be classified as subs you mean? They wouldn't be classified as subs? They wouldn't be classified. Huh. Interesting. Why is that? What is that distinction?

Because they don't dive. Oh. They maintain the same level the whole time. And the diving is the crucial part. I think the diving is the big part. Is it on a track? It is. Yeah, it's on a guy's track.

Okay. Then maybe you wouldn't call it a... Yeah, I mean, they're a right vehicle. Probably not. I guess they are... It would be a waste of a sub if it wasn't diving. I mean, I believe the outside was fabricated by like... A place that makes...

Yeah, by like a sub maker. Yeah, by the people who made the real ones for the military. General Dynamics is the company. And they actually built the actual ones. And then these as well. That's kind of a, that's sort of an air that, I mean, they shook this off, I would say, at some point when they painted them yellow instead of gray. Because these were like steely gray.

Very gray. Yeah, yeah. Very Cold War, you war you know yes that's what i was heading all aboard it's extremely cold war and even and i just right before we started saw a photo of the load platform before it opened and there are, there's like, people are in military uniforms, there are American flags draped all over. So it is, yeah, I guess the implication is that you're going on, so you're gonna go on a fun little submarine trip, but this could be used to nuke Russia. To blow up the enemy. Yeah.

Yeah. The anecdote, there's a lot of stories about these, a lot of anecdotes. The one big, one i kept coming across was uh you know nikita khrushchev when it when he was visiting america he wanted to go see disneyland and they're like it's too complex it's too much security risk and walt was um disappointed because he's he really wanted to go like well I've got a fleet of submarines as well like he really wanted

to show off his submarines I've got my Disneyland submarine fleet so if the shit ever hits the fan you might have to watch out for a launch from southern California you might beat America but you won't beat Disneyland.

Also, I'm going to secede one day. Look, the cloud of radiation will just kind of float anywhere, but, you know, could be coming from Disneyland. You won't know what hit you. If Walt really... He'll be gone. One of the subs shot a missile, but not all of them. One of them was equipped with weapons.

Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just in case. Uh-huh. Expensive to put one on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But if, you know, if Knott's...

I was going to say, if Knott's... If there was a river from Knott's to Disney, and they had to go to war against each other, then who knows? Yeah, they could send it through. Yeah, just through the sewers in the Orange County area. Matterhorn was a missile silo. No one ever knew that.

Turned it into a basketball court eventually. But yeah, he was ready. Yeah, the Matterhorn was only built to keep an eye on him. Yeah. It opens up. They don't start building too big of dreams. Let's keep those rides dinky, shall we not? It's frozen heads. Everyone's like,

oh, it's frozen heads under the castle. It's like, well, no. But there was a missile underneath the Matterhorn. Let's talk about what this ride experience actually was. Yeah. And one thing I'm not totally clear on is was there ever really a shift in the big,

the long era of when it was initially open before the Nemo switch, which is 59 to 98. I don't know if the experience ever changed there, but there's some videos you can watch from somewhere in there. I don't know. You dive, you see bubbles, you bubbles you see it's a psychological trick trick you were underwater that's what i'm saying it's like you're more underwater than you thought

special necessarily about what you're seeing in the tiny windows to me so it's just the idea that oh my god i can't believe it this thing could blow up at any moment we could just sink to the bottom of the sea like that's the whole thing i mean and maybe i'm just projecting my fears when i was little i don't know which i am often on this show i suppose yeah you told your mom what if this whole thing just imploded instantly hellishly uh trapping us and any uh other very rich people in yes right you predicted an entire thing that happened. Right. And look, this is an anecdote I did tell

on the other sub story, but I will tell it again because it's many years later, that I think I lied and said I had to pee to get out of going on this as we got to the front of the line, the Disney World version. Oh. You made it all the way through? I believe we waited like an hour in line and then I was like, Mommy, I have to pee.

And I think, though, I probably had to pee to some degree but i think i was scared i think i was scared of the briny deep now that i've done some theme park with a child how angry i would be how much this would wear me down on the other side of it like oh my god after the slowest load wait my mom was like argue like bargaining with me like come on we just we waited can we do no i have to go i think i have to go i have to pee i have to do it when as soon as uh my son develops the ability to lie better that is that is a weapon that i'm sure this is what parenting is i'm sure sure. Then that weapon is used every day. Sussing out.

Yeah, the invention. When he invents it. The invention of lying, yes. But if you don't chicken out and pretend you have to pee, you know, it starts pretty gentle. It's kind of more realistic sea life. And there's some fish swimming around. And then big big parts of it as a graveyard of lost ships uh you go to the north pole like the real ship did

there are the real nautilus um and then they start because it's supposed to be like realistic and militaristic they have to but they want to do goofy stuff they don't want you don't want to do goofy stuff. You don't want to just look at fish and sunken ships. Right. So you see mermaids. You see Atlantis. Oh, yeah. This is a very active volcano. Well, I was going to say a volcano.

It's a very active submarine trip where you see a volcano as well. You see giant squids and a big goofy sea serpent, as we said. And they have to justify all this as that the pilot is hallucinating, that he's losing his mind. Yes. Yeah, doesn't inspire a lot of faith when your submarine captain is starting to crack. Bad cap, is this the first like debut of the bad captain?

And I don't mean to insult Rex on Star Tours. Yeah. But is this the first, is that a trope started here perhaps? of this i guess you could say i mean a bad captain is someone who is like tripping during captaining that is a bad captain no offense if it's on if it's on purpose but if it's just like you're right well he should get his head together and not be like because the voyage just started yeah so i like he should have known somebody should have known to not let him take the wheel yeah of the sub if he's gonna hallucinate literally a minute into the rants and raves however wait we've said all this but you see it too is it that maybe he's

not bad maybe if we're seeing it but he and and it's it is real it's just so silly that he can only justify a cross-eyed sea serpent. This must be sea madness. I need to check myself in somewhere as soon as this trip is over. And then he's wrongfully institutionalized. So he's not, you're saying we're all seeing the same thing and we're all kind of going through it together. If we're seeing it, then yes. Yeah. Is there just somebody to release like there's a gas in the sub maybe

and we're all sort of on the same page with its hallucinogenic effects or or just imagine him going home that day and it all did happen and like how was your day at work sweetie you're not gonna believe this shit this was the most interesting day so much goddamn stuff in that sub happened and sorry you were only out for nine minutes or so yeah I know that's what I'm saying I saw Atlantis I saw

mermaids I had to do everything in my power to not get seduced by them and to end up back here with you honey yeah so I would imagine like it depends get seduced by them and to end up back here with you, honey. Yeah. So I would imagine like, it depends. In the narrative of the ride, is it clear where we're supposed to be? Because obviously it's not Disneyland.

Or is it Disneyland? Is Disneyland, is Atlantis contained in Disneyland? I guess so. Or, you know, five minutes away. Right. It's in whatever rivers in guess so. So that is... Or, you know, five minutes away. Right. In whatever rivers in Orange County. Okay, so that's interesting too, because maybe if you're... If the sub-driver, or what

sub-captain, is... His daily routine is going to work at Disneyland, then that's a different thing than just like we're supposed to believe this is a journey we're taking and it's starting in the middle of whatever, the Pacific Ocean or something. Sure, sure. So I like to think that Atlantis is actually hidden in Disneyland.

That's fun. Uh-huh. And we should be able to expand on that. There's something about the area. You know, Walt had a feeling. He picked it seemingly at random, but maybe it was really as many mermaids calling to him from the helicopter where he was pointing at land and saying, why don't I own that? Yeah, the little island of Disneyland should be like a golden book. Oh.

You know? And then you look for the little island, because of course, I'm talking about the little man of Disneyland, which was an old golden book where you would go. You would learn about the little leprechaun. Was he a leprechaun? Pretty much a leprechaun. Pretty much a leprechaun pretty much a pretty much a leprechaun he lived in the land that disneyland was built on they skirted the copyright whoever actually owns the concept of leprechauns right yeah walt didn't want to pay the owner of the ip the ip of leprechauns hey what you be wanting that's that is a pirate voice not look irish is not something I can do no oh it's hard yeah shiver me timbers

happy St. Patrick's Day to you I'm Irish hello peace and love hello hello I'm a little man of Disneyland when an Irish boy kiss an Irish girl masters of voices oh yeah

theater of the mind we're so lucky you get to do theater of the mind So, uh, so masters of voices. Oh yeah. It's three. We're so lucky. You get to do theater of the mind with us. There's so many voices in here. You think we had the whole cover of Sergeant Pepper in the room with us. We can do all the different characters from the cover of Sergeant Pepper's, uh, which I can only name. May Weston, WSA Farrell. did we look up there they have the names

but are they named because of the Bee Gees movie did they have character names or were those character names actually well there's Billy Shears but then the other the other ones one of them them is Billy Shears but I forget who the other I don't know they're all but they're all different brothers Sergeant Pepper yeah I don't remember if that's from Beatles mythology or if that's something okay the Bee Gees and Peter Frampton brought to the table that's something you have to look at please you know hey nudge us if you want us to do the sergeant pepper movie on the second gate stop us if you don't want us to do it stop way in either way yeah yeah because you you know when we get our sights on something uh i love the sergeant pepper i've watched it many a time

willingly um okay but so uh there's all that stuff and you know something you got to give us red credit for is there's two sides to this submarine two sets of windows they had to build everything twice yeah yeah yeah so you built they built two rides yeah good job everybody yes most rides are only one ride most rides are only one ride except for this which yeah that's a thing i also just never thought about i assumed i don't know i don't know what respect you are getting a great show and the other side are a bunch of saps yeah just look at who just see dark water right and dead mermaids oh no just floating there. I only saw corpses. Oh, no. Oh, I don't want to ride on the dead side.

The sea is unforgiving, son. The sooner you learn, the better. Yeah. Why don't marry a mermaid? Because, of course, they did have the real people playing mermaids in this lagoon. Yes. At one point. Let's talk about that.

Yeah. yes yeah let's talk about that yeah um that's some odd disney arcania that like mid 60s in the in the summer uh you know right around when yellow submarine was released of course yeah uh there were live mermaids on the rocks who waved to visitors from the lagoon for longer than i thought like they were doing this for years. You have it summers, I think. There was some presence of mermaids around when it opened, but then it became a regular thing mid-60s. Do you have a year that it lasted?

I think it ended in 67. That's not like 65, 67. They held auditions in the Disneyland Hotel pool. They had a height requirement able bodied girls from four of four uh from like five four to five seven i think i'm sure everyone the judges were very respectful oh yeah yes this entire affair must have been this must have been a delight to go through okay we, well, string your legs up.

Put on this star bra. Ouch, it's pointy. You'll get used to it. Wait, what were the... Was everyone's midriff showing? I believe this was a midriff situation. Uh-oh. I was told many times by my

mother over the years that Annette Funicello was told by Mr. Disney not to show her navel in certain movies. So if Walt was very prudish about seeing a lady's belly, but I wonder about in this instance, the mermaids he was not so worried about because it was accurate to the lore of mermaids? Yes. The lore of scientifically mermaids had shell bras so right you have to go with science so what was like well all right and then he was like oh and there'll be a far enough way from the visitors and uh they won't have to be they see the belly up close and i'm just happy that uh because of their the the fin that covers their second half that you don't you don't see any butt well

i think leg i think but they couldn't even say leg no leg no games disgusting sinful leg yeah yeah so uh but uh yeah so i'm interested that walt would allow this i would think he should have put them in like a full mermaid like body suit a mermaid gown yes yes and then they'd be in the water the reasons they gave you know, there's always the anecdote of like, oh, there was a couple guys who jumped in and swam out of them and it was weird. But the reasons I saw given of like why they stopped doing this were much more like practical. Like people would stand on the walkway by the Matterhorn to take pictures and that would cause crowding and then the mermaids were like we're concerned for our

health being around this much chlorine and diesel exhaust yeah yeah it sounds awful yes those are two bad things to be near it turned their hair green which is something I remember about the happening to my sister growing

up uh what a disturbing thing that is weird uh just your full body goes into very chlorinated it is weird yeah yeah yeah well i i remember specifically a girl in my neighborhood like dyed her hair blonde over the summer and then swam in a pool a bunch and then it was a little green and you'd think like there had been a terrorist attack on her family like she the parents were so like oh and this is the green hair i like they were just so bewildered by this. Like shell shock? Yeah, shell shock. That's a good way to put it.

Like a tragedy that happened to the family? Looking back, it's like this girl was 11 years old. Well, wait, are you saying that they were like upset that like something might be dangerous in the water and turn their daughter's hair green? Or are you saying like they didn't like the idea that she had such a wild hair color? It was a wild hair color. And it's like the grief of when your mom would take you to get a haircut and they would do not a great job. And they would just be stewing about it for days. Your mom would be? This might be a Sheridan specific situation. Yeah, I'd like to hear more about this.

Sheridans and other mothers in the neighborhood you just overhear and then it's like well and then the hair we're not going there anymore because it's like who gives a shit about your kids nasty hair like who cares it's gonna grow back you know there are 10 it's gonna grow in instantly so this is from a direct memory of when you got a shitty little boy haircut and your mom was upset about it well boy it's a little hard to fuck up a bowl cut michael you know i agree with you i'm just saying it sounds like this is from personal experience i just remember so much and it's like and they're gonna think i'm up like hearing adults lament and it's like, and they're going to think I'm a, like, hearing adults lament, and it's like, oh, and they're going to think I'm a bad mother.

And it's like, who's going to think that? What? But then they are, this does seem like a gossipy situation. Everyone is, everyone does have their sights set on this barber. There was definitely some gossip of like, and did you see her green hair? Well, she, you know, you dye it, and then if you go swimming too quick and it's just like what does it matter yeah what are you concerned about her health it was just they were like now we have a wild green hair daughter yeah and and it too when you would swim in like

friends pools in the neighborhood it would be you would have the thought i would have the thought at least of like feels like there is either too much chlorine in this pool or not enough chlorine oh yeah the same token though you're saying that oh and then my daughter's hair ended up getting get over it it's gonna go back well i just it depends on what the reasoning is. Because if it's just they're worried about the color, who cares? I agree with you. But if they're saying like, you know, Mr. Johnson, they accidentally dumped the whole bottle of chlorine, the whole jug of chlorine in, and now my daughter's hair is green.

My daughter doesn't have pupils anymore. Yeah. Then I understand why you would be like gossiping about Mr. Johnson's pool. I don't think ambient health, when everyone is, like, blasting cigs indoors and burning blueberry candles, try to clean it up. I don't think they were necessarily concerned about ancillary health. You have a really specific neighborhood picture. Blueberry candles, cigarettes, the greenest of pools, and the meanest of gossip. You know? I like, I mean, I know to some degree what you're saying, gossip-wise.

You know, I remember my grandmother gossiping about her friends and everything. I do remember my mom being, like, a little bit too worried about, you know, maybe appearance things for me. But you are painting a very specific picture of your childhood that I would like to hear more about. Well, and the blueberry candles thing, that stuck in my mind because I can remember three houses. It was not just the next door neighbors. Multiple people. We're covering up the cigarette smoke with a blueberry candle. We're covering up with a Yankee candle, blueberry candle. Well, you go into town.

What city are we dealing with here? Where you grew up. Yeah, where were you living in this neighborhood oh uh booth win portachoy chester in delaware county booth whoa that's a lot of words booth win portachoy what booth booth what's the name of the town was the borough chichester was the overall town okay chichester chichester was like yeah that was our show before you're from chichester was the overall town. Okay. Chichester. Chichester was like, yeah, that was our town. Have you ever said that on the show before? You're from Chichester? I'm from Chichester, Pennsylvania.

I think so. Upper Chichester. And then there was a lower Chichester. I wouldn't have been able to pull that out. The Chai, as they call it. Somebody asked it? Chirac. Wow.

I guess I didn't know that. That's the thing I should know about you you go to downtown chichester and there's the bad barber there's a barber who fucks up every haircut and then right next to it is the all blueberry candle store the blueberry yes or and then the store is next to it that's very cheap so people buy too much of it sure um for 20 cents yeah yeah the um aquarium store is in mayor of east town she goes and buys like from your childhood from my childhood it was next to one of the elementary schools so that's cool yeah did you see that in the theater uh it's an hbo show hell yeah did you go to the premiere yeah i know the theater the gromit's chinese theater

i know you see that in the theater i'm not completely out of it when it comes to movies Yeah, I know. The theater. The Gromit's Chinese Theater. I know. Did you see that in the theater? I'm not completely out of it when it comes to movies and TV that are out. He saw the play. It was based on. I'm more of a music guy, okay? I know new music. Got so many half albums to listen to.

He doesn't have time to find out what's a movie or a show. God damn it. I'm a music guy. Well, we'll get to some music stuff soon. We better. Yeah. We'm a music guy. We'll get to some music stuff soon. We better. Yeah. We better stop. Stop confusing me.

We've got some sea shanties to discuss. Stop confusing me is all I ask. Okay. So, all right. Mermaid's green hair. Wait, did I have another mermaid thing? Oh, they also just had to. All right.

You have like ride vehicles on a track, you have like ride vehicles on a trip big lumbering ride vehicles on a trek probably want to keep the humans swimming nearby away from them with like a big clear fence or something yeah no didn't do that they was just they just said stay 15 feet away so the girls just had to eyeball 15 feet and they said one of them said if you got too close, you could feel the suction of propellers. And that scared some of the girls. Oh, it did it? Come on. A little sucked you. All right.

Your hair gets a little green. You get a little sucked up. It's fine. It's going to zip your fin off first. And then you'll have at least one full second to get out of the propeller after that. This is just the worst second to get out of the propeller after that you have this is just the worst it's the worst process to get a job and then it's the worst job that a dangerous job yeah not not well paid if you can imagine and then and then like men are leering at you throwing

coins at you like you're a human fountain yeah um and then to get out of there you had to like because they wanted to just uh you know the way they do like the character meet and greets where like there's always a mickey out and it's like oh mickey has to step away for a second and then he does and he comes back as another mickey uh they did the same thing we're just like quick mermaid uh just quick cigarette break and then they were just like they would have to like dive into the show building and then get picked up from there so a dive was involved you had to fully submerge again near a ride vehicle and track and then like men were waiting there to like get them up the ladder and i'm sure that was off i'm sure that was pleasant too the men that were waiting there to take the 21 year old girl's fin off

there's no way that wasn't incredibly inappropriate i'm not good with names i just call you five foot five and that was like the nicer guy probably yeah he put out his cigarette before he hoisted you oh well if you're lucky he did yeah well i'll get sick you know they'll they'll come off in the water probably uh i won't send you wet skin um uh this was not the only it was not the mermaids only who had occupational hazards uh working the submarine the uh the drivers the drivers of this i think this was this was considered one of the worst rides to work at disneyland um we're talking about madness and uh and fumes and all that it kind of happened because and a lot of some point from the book more mouse tales um you all right so they're

like they're standing in the middle of the vehicles and then since they're standing they've got like a vantage point up in that little cab um which is that you know that's a little like head cage that they're in basically and at least the way it used to work the air circulation on the submarine i forget how many people who got on board probably like close to 40 um and so you've got uh diesel fumes you've got chlorine you've got the smells of everyone of all of these strangers mixing on board i don't think ventilation is great really uh beyond that so like stranger smells diesel chlorine all getting like perfectly trapped up in that little head box that they're in oh my god like if you took all of those smells and put it in a hat box and then put the hat box on and then had to do it for an entire

10 minute trip that's kind of what this was like. Quote, you spent the day sucking diesel fumes and chlorine. Various employees called it obnoxious, the worst, and a dungeon. Oh, my God. There was a, it's an 8-minute, 15-second trip, or it was at least. If a kid got scared, Mike style, and could not use the bathroom excuse, and was upset and claustrophobic, or reasonably, look, claustrophobia is a real thing on this ride.

Sure. But if it happened to a kid and they wanted out, there was no way out. There's nothing you could do. So that's the full eight-minute trip with just screaming child the whole time. There was also a story of a woman. This smells especially bad one day and the there's some grumbling driver realizes a woman is changing her baby's diaper mid-ride then ride finishes and she just gets off and leaves the diaper just sitting on the chair god bless her god bless her for that yeah wow the lack of awareness and then so he the driver

just like i am not letting her get away with this and she and he ran down got it said to her hey you left a package on board and she was like oh i did not expecting the diaper she puts her hand out and he just plops the diaper in her hand waves and walks away and all the other passengers were still close by so they all gave a round of applause to that that is a good story uh so you have to add in that one trip the smell of baby shit to all those things that the driver had to endure trapped in a submarine yeah because you you know we've been through this well we have a diver a diaper genie, of course, that traps the soul of the poops. And when you open up the top of it, like the containment unit in Ghostbusters,

you get the ghosts of every poop that she's ever made. So imagine putting your head in there and then gasoline and chlorine on top of that. Yeah, add in the other ones. All right, have a good 10 minutes. Yes. And that's a good, that's a scented thing the diaper genie yeah is diaper genie not one of the things that's like handed down to new parents uh you

shouldn't be your gift yeah no yeah yeah we've had two different a diaper pail we've had the diaper genie is newer and it's a little more efficient than the old one we had, but it's designed to make it seem like it's going to not absorb the smell as bad as the other ones. But I don't believe that that is happening. I believe it smells, the ghosts are stuck in there and you'd have to have a really expensive thing that could completely like completely stay fresh forever so if you're having a baby shower and somebody shows up with a clearly re-gifted diaper genie with a big smile i'm waiting yeah i would say you unless they've like doused it in chlorine or something to kill it to kill the germs or bleach or something and maybe that would work i don't think they should probably gift it i i that's my feeling maybe i'm wrong maybe you can effectively clean it but i'll say that the last

diaper pail that was still pretty or whatever diaper garbage can uh i tried cleaning it impossible there were just part of like they were just in there it was baked in there forever and i said this is i spent like a half hour trying to do it and I was like, never mind. Getting a new one. No, not working. We'll see. We'll see in a couple months if it's baked in forever

on this thing. But I think it is. If it needs a refurb. I don't know if the insides of a submarine would keep the duty smell of a baby's poop stuck in there. I don't know. The pilot of the submarine, I saw they had a seat for a little while. Okay.

And that was removed because they would stop paying attention and getting collisions. Oh, no. And then the other thing is, and this made me want to try and find other rides with this. There was a dead man switch. Are you guys familiar with the concept of a dead man switch? I actually don't. I saw that phrase and I don't know what it is. So I think it goes back to uh locomotives and the idea being

like it has to be depressed or squeezed at all times and uh if it if it lets go uh if you let go of it um it like it would stop it would stop going i believe what what is it though well it's like um a button or like a lever you have to constantly hold on to i always learned about it from like trains in the old west if bandits came on board and shot the conductor shot the right you killed the guy yeah they would release it and the train would stop so that it wouldn't be out of control so there was a dead man's switch on the submarine oh interesting but then that made me go how many attractions have a dead man's switch and they it's i understand why it's called a dead man's switch a dead man's switch but

were they afraid that one of the sub captains was going to die mid journey i guess or there would be some sort of incident they did apparently deal with collisions back in the day and like i think your little sub running into another little sub so i guess it was very unnerving well yeah i wouldn't like that um so i guess they were just like they don't they don't trust the people they hired necessarily to not get zoned out during one of these turnarounds. Zoned out or zonked by diesel fumes. Right.

So they had, because that seems like it's so unpleasant to be holding this thing all day long. Yeah. To make sure. For 10 minutes. Right. Yeah.

So I guess it worked, worked maybe i don't know you pay attention you hold you keep a thing you hold it you don't drop it right um and uh a seat is distracting because yeah if you if there's if somebody's changing a diaper right near that captain and he passes out then the thing will stop so that's good i guess it's good i guess it's smart this is the the difficulties of running the thing are one issue another is uh this this lagoon is massive apparently when it opened it was the largest body of filtered water in the world wow i didn't see that that doesn't as i say it it doesn't sound right because aren't there like wave pools or like those big you know like uh by the by the pier and santa cruz is like a big bathing hall maybe they weren't filtered i don't

know maybe it was a lie could be a lie like when they said it was the eighth largest submarine fleet because that's not true because if they aren't submarines if they're right right uh but anyway i think what is true is that they refurbished this ride in 1988 they drained they did the like the longest drain of it that they'd done in a long time and they found that the lagoon was losing 300,000 gallons of water a day every day

chlorinated water seeping into the below not good for all the residents of Atlantis and also it like oh oh, okay, wait. So they fixed that. Let's seal up all those cracks and everything.

And they got it to where, post the refurbishment, they only lost a mere 50,000 a day. That's what it was. Well, that's reasonable. Potentially still is. This is when you're dealing with something that hasn't been done, when nobody's made a like blaster lined submarine lagoon or whatever it is um yeah so this gets us into and we know look we this this whole area this is interconnected with autopia which we've had our complaints about which

we've had our our eye on real estate wise uh it doesn't smell good coming out of those cars then all this really is like eco disaster alley yes you could justify you could justify it using just the environment to demolish not just that we want a new rider if we need to get past the purists right like need this to still be there because they grew up with it maybe that is a good reason an exaggerated they're willing to lie about some of these facts if they need to falsify an epa report in order to get these things out of there yes that's what they gotta do so i think that's a good justification for yeah demolition um i in the defunct land video kevin mentions this used nine million gallons of water to stay full jaws the ride also a lot of a

lot of water that was only five million gallons so nearly half whoa really that seems so much bigger that's interesting yeah but I don't know if that's deep oh maybe yeah maybe that's oh maybe it's kind of shallow yeah could be i don't know um i'm kind of i'm heading to nemo era or closure era but is there anything before we we do that well no i think about the military days that we miss yeah i don't think so i've never got to go on this version of it no um they were yellow they were painted yellow in 86 which as jason said is the where it becomes research subs and that's what i knew that's my first disneyland visit so they which i've always i like the yellow i think it's uh friendly and nice i like seeing them go yeah um the names the names changed and when it reopened in 87 The original names are very military focused. Nautilus, Seawolf, Skate, Skipjack, Triton.

Like Skipjack. Skipjack is cool. Yeah. That's a syndicated show I would watch seven seasons of. And then the last three are all Revolutionary War figures. George Washington, Patrick Henry, Ethan Allen. Oh, an Ethan Allen sub. I love those paints.

Don't get confused. Not Byron Allen. Oh, okay. Sorry. I love Ethan Allen's Comics Unleashed. I was thinking of that, yeah. So then they switch to Nautilus, Neptune. Nautilus stays the same. Nautilus, Neptune, Seastar, Explorer, Seeker,

Argonaut, Triton, Seawolf. And it was written on the subs, these names, somewhere? Do we have any confirmation of that? I would think so. Does anyone know these? Must be, right? I would think so, because then, like, you know, we've talked about many times on the show how exciting

it was to get certain cars on dark rides. You'd get different dwarves on the seven. Oh, I'm sea star or nothing. Yeah. You know what? I won't even go on it. Mommy, mommy, we're getting Ethan Allen today. Yeah.

Oh, Skip Jack. Oh, Skip Jack is the group in front of us. Oh, Skip Jack got full. Oh. We got the next, yeah, like. We are all children who would have like. Yeah. Patrick Henry, hooray.

Patrick Henry, submarine mother. I know him from my studies. Argonaut again. But yeah, I don't see much discussion about the different names when people are recounting. That being said, I also don't see a ton of discussion about the subs in general. I feel like the subs, and maybe I'm getting ahead ahead of myself again the subs discourse is just once in a while when someone threatens to take it away that's when somebody goes hey wait no no no no we need them versus like there's there's rides that people are constantly talking about that have been there

for 50 years sure yeah i think it's just that you go back into walt era i think if it's a walt thing yeah and i think this was like a primary memory for a lot of people i'm sure imagine like go back into Walt era. I think if it's a Walt thing. Yeah. And I think this was like a primary memory for a lot of people. Imagine, go back to pre-Pirates of the Caribbean, pre-Haunted Mansion Disneyland. If you're at Disneyland then, this is one of the best things to do. You're locked in on this. Yeah. And it feels. Oh, sure.

Yes. It feels special. Especially the subs. I would even say the subs more than Autopia. Just because you've been in a car at that point probably. Obviously, you're going to drive the car, which is yeah I think there I think there's more of that I think there's more love of my first drive on Utopia Utah Utopia Utopia Zootopia um yeah I guess I guess but it just for as a kid I just remember this blowing my mind a little bit more even though i liked autopia and or the speedway this definitely

felt like kind of a crazy thing you got to do sure yeah well you were a big james mason kid you love that peter renaud sound i like um you were you never not look i knew who he was but you were the James Mason boy. Let's be honest. There's no question. There's no question. Yeah, yeah. Well, let's talk about the sub's disappearance when it went away.

I think it was rumored for a long time. This is a very online upset thing. It's a cheapening out era, the Paul Pressler era. The Pressler era. The Pressler era. We're losing. If you don't know, he was a controversial president of the Disneyland Resort. It was cutting what a lot of people felt were basics and fundamentals. Eventually, he says, this thing's getting a little outdated.

I think we are looking at what else to do there. And it closes. It closes in Septemberember 98 right after new tomorrowland opens yeah so like tomorrowland's back and refreshed and better than ever and now uh yeah that body of water over there uh no that's a that's gonna be a graveyard for a while don't worry about that don't ask questions about that that something was in the air i guess because remember right at the turn of the millennium they they're like, all right, and that's it for Horizons. Yeah, right.

The future-looking ride. Well, I think if anything needed some serious love, if anything needed some love and care, they decided instead to blow it up and do something else. Taking this up as a way was not the audience wasn't happy. The Imagineers weren't happy i found some some quotes uh the great tony baxter uh told on the day when it closed he told paul pressler this is one of the worst days of my life she was a prince of good life if you're the submarines going away i suppose don Yeah, it's a little dramatic, I suppose. Tony, don't worry. It's going to get worse. They're going to close more shit. Oh, yeah, yeah.

No kidding. Yeah, wait till you see what happens to Figment. Marty Sklar said, if we close the subs without a replacement ready, I will lie in the middle of Harbor Boulevard. That is something he said. And then it happened. It totally happened.

He didn't follow through. And that's good. Lived a good life without getting crushed by a car. Not to say that they didn't try. Because there was an era in which all hopes were on a little movie. A little movie that we hope will be the movie that could. Yeah. It's a movie called Atlantis,

sub called The Lost Empire, question mark? Does that sound right? I've never seen it. It is Atlantis, The Lost Empire. Atlantis, The Lost Empire. This is maybe the way to get life into that lagoon again. And I'd only heard that rumor i hadn't heard more i looked into is there more there was more this would have been no mere reskin we aren't

just throwing the beloved characters down there you don't just pass by milo or commander lyle tiberius rourke. There's more than that. Tiberius, that was the middle name of Captain James T. Kirk, played by William Shatner. Must have been a nod then. I think so. Wow, Lyle Tiberius Rourke is a reference to James Tiberius Kirk. That's right. So there's actually, there's concept art of this that you can look at and it would have been like

in in addition to you know reskinning the submarines and like and refreshing them and making it all look cooler over there they were gonna build a big volcano this was pre disney sea right i'm trying to remember if i took a screenshot of it or not um but you could like it would have been a ride that dropped you off. You would have actually gotten out. Oh, wait, I got it. I mean, it looks extremely, like, it's very Disney-sy. It's very, like, what they're doing, the Peter Pan area that's opening soon, Fantasy Springs.

And then there was going to be stuff to do in that volcano. Look at this concept art. This is immaculate awesome yeah it's really cool um and and then monorail is still runs through it it runs through the volcano yeah um looks really neat here's something i didn't know not only did that concept art get drawn up they were trying the imaginators desperate to do this really wanting to do it actually uh put a tarp over the submarine area you sound this yeah it's so good this is crazy almost as if to sit to like broadcast to it was like a hostage message like can we blink and let the people on

the outside know we're true we're we're okay in here uh They put up a sign without asking management that says Atlantis Expedition, Imagineering Preparation, something or other. I guess the hubris there, I suppose. But also... It's close to an announcement. That's like... Hey, pretty punk, you gotta say, right?

You do have to say that. They just did it and didn't ask permission. Tony Baxteraxter who i assume thinks the beatles are too rock and roll definitely a punk move on his part he listens to exclusively sherman brothers that i would think so i would think he's a james mason kid he was not a ringo star kid um too wild i uh atlantis you know it did i guess kind of make its money back wasn't a total bomb have you seen it uh no i've never seen it uh i i was like oh i should find that on assuming it's on disney plus some of the movies they'd opened against around that time shrek laura

croft tomb raider dr Doctor Dolittle 2 and the Fast and the Furious so stiff competition that summer all of those battles I think this from the sound of it I think so yeah yeah big hits um and think about all the movies that didn't do well that would have given us cool shit like

that like all these movies that you're like haha Atlantis or whatever and like I haven't seen it I don't know maybe it's a good one maybe it isn't but all these different movies that if it actually had been a massive hit we would be in better shape parts wise as we talk about tomorrowland and and like the tomorrowland curse and the tomorrowland problem yeah it keeps the hopes keep getting pinned on movies that don't end up right great. And one of those obviously being Tomorrowland in general. It is too bad that the futuristic properties keep not working out.

And it's just the fact that all we got at this point is Tron and that the Tron movies technically do well. Yes. Enough that they're making Tren, which I'm ripping off from many people online. There was a director's chair of Tron 3 styled as TR3N, which just looks like Tren. Yeah. So Tren's happening.

Leto, Gillian Anderson? Never miss Leto, I call him. No matter what you put him in, matter what disney property you put him in guaranteed box office mama me i'm in the game grid yeah that's right i hope he does his versace voice versace or his we work voice oh yeah master of voices like like podcast the ride yeah same thing maybe you'll do a ringo. I love when a Tron kiss a girl. So, yes, Tron is the only... Technically successful?

I think so. How many Trons are we going to get? Though, again, I think I'm in the top tier of Tron fans, and I don't care for the movies. Yeah, I guess it can't be upset that they're trying to do more. If it leads to more, yeah, I don't know. The odds are low that I'll be seeing trend. Yeah.

I think they should do Tomorrowland. Two Tomorrowland with a two. Two and then, yeah, no T on the Tomorrowland. Maybe they'll catch up this time. Like the cult will have. I will. We've said it before. I know real quick.

Nothing was kind of more exciting than the idea of like Brad Bird is doing a movie called Tomorrowland about the Disneyland Tomorrowland. And I was like, holy shit. Whoa. Those are the days when you didn't know that wasn't going to work out, when you could just go to the park whenever you wanted. None of these ticket reservations, none of this nonsense. You never know how good you have it at a certain moment in your life. Probably for some of that, we had a real president, George real president george w bush somebody who knew what they were doing okay i assume obama was in the white house at this point for some of it yeah some of it but uh well i don't i don't like those i

don't like to talk about that i hear you i miss the sure sure uh the good old days as they call but yeah no i just like oh my god the idea God, the idea of it, the concept of that, and then the idea that, well, once this thing takes over the box office, now we're getting... It's a matter of time. Everything he does is a hit. Slam, dunk.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what that Star Wars would have been like, too, because he was going to do one. He was in there pre-JJ. Yeah. Well, and George, look,

George was working on it before he sold to Disney. What would have George's pure vision? I mean, he was going to do the, George was going to direct the first one. That was the whole plan is George was going to direct seven and then sell to Disney. But that would have been the wills. Yes. Yeah. I explained the wills from scratch to what George Lucas's vision of episode seven was going to be.

I explained the wills from scratch to what george lucas's vision of episode seven was going to be i explained the wills from scratch to aaron as best i could and by that i mean it's going to be about the wills to put the little through the forces right up with the wills just the glaze over i think i think her head just hit the table to take her to the hospital not mitochondria midichlorians well they're not that either they're not that either neither of the things we either. No, they're not either of the things we just said. We'll get into everything that the wills are not. Yeah, so yeah, that would have been the wills. But yeah, there's the different timelines for what happens. Very interesting to speculate on.

Yep. But I think whatever we're in right now is just the worst timeline for everything. For all things. Everything. All things, yes. We need the wills. We do need the wills. The wills the Wills. We do need the Wills. The Wills can save us.

We do need the Wills. Maybe they'll go back now. George, we were wrong. Please make the Wills movie. 80-year-old George. Star Wars Episode VII, The Great Wills Adventure. I shouldn't say 80-year-old George. Scorsese is just firing on all cylinders still.

You got Ridley Scott shooting three movies a year. George, come on. Come out of retirement. Let's see those Wills. I just want to know what one looks like. Are they cute? Are the Wills cute? Look, very good chance the Wills were bad and boring,

but we would be doing so much Wills content. We would be laughing and laughing about the Wills. You think we're talking about the Wills now? It would have brightened up all of our lives if we knew what the wills look like and we could see them realized on screen same movie Han Solo Kylo kills Han Solo

or maybe he doesn't he just pushes him off the edge he starts falling but then a bunch of wills all get together let's go wills and they lift him back up and then he clocks his son in the face and Kylo's dead and that's go wills it's like when they lift him back up and then he clocks his son in the face and Kylo's dead and that's the end of seven

it's like when the big minion hand all the minions make like a hand yeah the M&M's minis they all form I know I'm liking these wills now George come on come out of retirement buy it back

George and publish a book of all those TV episodes. George, we want your green screen background only Will's movie that you only wanted to shoot for four hours a day. We want you not directing actors. We want you not looking actors in the eye. Give us the magic. Bring the magic back, George, with the Will.

Okay. Well, speaking of bringing the magic back, for close to a decade, the lagoon sat dormant, unused. Yeah. Imagineers all livid, embarrassed to go to work each day. Also, that happened in Florida. Yeah. They closed 20,000 leagues, and then it was just scenery for a while, and then they used some of it to build a fucking playground called Pooh's Playful Spot, which, get out of here. Come on. You're upset by that.

You hate Pooh's Playful Spot. I hate Pooh's Playful Spot because my family loved 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Oh, okay. And then Pooh shows up with a dagger, and he takes it to Mr. Toad. We talked about that recently. And then he takes it 20,000 leagues. Kirk Douglas. He slit Mr. Toad's throat.

He disemboweled Badger, and then he just ripped Kirk Douglas' nuts off. That's what Pooh, the nice guy Pooh, is up to. Who's next? Po who's next who's next is that one of the blood and honey like taglines who's next who's next that's pretty good sequel could be yeah um but hey there's hope on the horizon for a movie about the ocean does well does extremely well finding nemo becomes clearly the way to to revive this thing same with the the sea cabs and the living seas uh and we get these both of those attractions that have these new these like sophisticated uh underwater projection techniques

um the finding me the finding nemo era also fixes another submarine problem. All of the chlorine and all of the heat and sunlight would drench the, like, get rid of the paint, essentially, on anything that was color. Any, like, colorful coral reef would just get zapped in the submarine lagoon. So they had to, but, you know, Finding Nemo is very colorful. We got to do something different there. So they developed a new technique. They used painted glass. It's all, it's micro glass. It's very colorful. We got to do something different there. So they developed a new technique. They used painted glass. It's micro glass. It's cool sounding.

It looks fantastic. There's scenes of this that are wonderful. It really doesn't sound like a good thing health-wise either, but they're not making alive women swim in there anymore. So maybe it's okay. Right. I'll say a lot of nice things about nemo era i think great art direction i think just like pure like the like the the craft of these big

set pieces yeah i think that screen blending is is wonderful um lassiter and baxter worked together they teamed up on this one uh this seemed like a passion project for both this was in that that pre before laster goes away yeah and he's become he's he's mr parks now and he was good about like firing up why is the subs nothing uh why is some of california venture nothing uh so he uh he wrapped his arms around this attraction and hugged it until it got much better um uh there's a timeline where this motherfucker didn't hug everybody just how you hug and then he's yeah he's charged to the company where his good ideas keep getting yeah yeah um and his character luck or whatever is now a big disney hit um yes yeah well we've all watched luck we have Well, we've all watched Luck. We have to admit, we've all loved Luck. Is that Trump?

Folks, we love Luck very unfair. We've all watched Luck on whatever streaming service it's on, exactly. I have no idea. I believe Luck will come up in one of these debates, one of these Biden-Trump debates. He's got to talk about something. If it's in his head, it will be said. They added 30% more show building so it's like because knowing that like the low on the underwater scenes are going to be so much more of a part of it we want it to be dark we want it to be controlled

yeah controllable down there so they made the show building longer uh big plus ups good improvements yeah they did i mean they did a great job with the confines or the restrictions of the original. Yeah. Because like we've talked about before, in Tokyo DisneySea, they have a much superior sub. The ride system is better. Even though you don't see something go under the water when you're waiting in line, which again is I think the magic trick of it. Still, the experience of being in the 20,000 leagues in tokyo disney sea is so much cooler and better well it's a good lead-in too because you're in that big lagoon inside the volcano kind of like what didn't get built here

and there is a nautilus that like helps you that steps you closer to the illusion um and they so yeah they did a they did a great job i don't think they had an unlimited budget for it, but a lot of it, definitely when I went on it the one or two times I've done it, it felt, oh, it's refreshed and it's cool. It's the best version of a refreshed submarine ride. Yes, that's what I'm trying to say. The subs got to come back where the property that was relevant to people is still relevant to people. I love finding Nemo.

Yeah. Compliments, compliments. Now, let's get rid of it. We done right that's a great run that's a fantastic run yeah for two you know it had from we're down for a decade but it's been there since 59 nemo subs got a great all right we all got to do submarines again have we all done it again great let's do something else these are uh parts of it it's still the same 59 subs that's pretty crazy yeah marty's car did uh you know had experts come in when they were thinking about totally scrapping it and they said like the experts said these uh vehicles have 40 to 50 more years of lifespan in them wow that. That's amazing. Yeah.

They built them right. And that's great. It's going to make it harder to blow them up when we destroy this ride. Yeah. We will cry tears. I will cry eight single tears in a row when we hear, and the submarines are blown up and we do something else. I don't mean to rush us through it.

I'm just like, I can't even pretend for a long time that I... It's just, it's past its time. It's a great run of time. It's incredible. Universal's closed great rides half the time, less than this. I understand why the certain Imagineers, especially the ones that grew up with it, I understand why they're so nostalgic for it. I understand that.

But now that different newer rides exist and you have so many crazy experiences at theme parks, you can't look at it the same way anymore, especially when you go to 20,000 leagues in DisneySea. It's not the same experience anymore. You're looking through a tiny little window and you go, oh, I see something there. That's good. It's fine. It's fine. but it's not worth the real estate yeah and it's also like this neck of the woods is an environmental disaster in the past it was tomorrow like submarines automobiles

constantly iterating and improving that's what we're saying now it's like gas pollution water sucking up this is not it's a dystopian corner i i agree with what you're saying um that being said if it was a perfect clean energy uh thing and everything was like there's no emissions or anything i don't care it's gone yeah it doesn't matter yeah i want it gone that's great i love that we have justification for it from an environmental perspective. This helps, yes. We'll have to keep this all quiet so that we can only use environment to justify getting rid of it.

Doesn't matter. Real estate. Tomorrowland. I also, just to that Nemo thing, and I do think like artistically, I think visually that ride is fantastic. Yeah. And I have enjoyed it when I've gone on it, but I don't like this thing of like, Nemo's lost again. I think that is one of is is fantastic yeah uh and i haven't read it when i've gone on it but i don't like this thing of like nemo's lost again i think that is one of the weakest stories he's lost again and then he does all the same things he did in the movie yeah that's and i feel like the imagineer

is usually like a like baxter is usually critical of like what's that term uh a book report yes this is a like oh we can't do a book report right uh well can we do all the same things and just slap a two on it now that's fine sure um crazy i don't i don't like that wouldn't they remember to not go into a whale or stay away from the jellyfish and why would they do it all well i guess dory loses her memory but the other character all right she i forgive everybody else how could you do it all again? Yeah, no, I agree. And that happens a lot, and that happens with movies where you're like, they're doing this again in the same way.

And it's, I don't know if it's, I mean, Little Mermaid is still like the best example to me of like the dark ride phenomenon. You're just in the movie. You're doing the movie, and you're like, the ride system's not very interesting. And it's not a bad ride by any means, but it's like, there's something about it that feels a little bit, I don't know, rote? What is the word?

A little redundant? I guess so. That's one of those things that you'll probably have too. You go on it with kids and you're like, who cares? I'm not thinking about rote anymore. But it's exciting. The Tiana ride that's coming, it's after the movie. It's a new thing.

That is a sequel yeah yeah that's what we like that's great yeah and this is but just technically barely i don't uh i don't dig it and it's like a band-aid over like a cracked porthole uh window in a suburb and and they it's a lot of the same beat when they're like, the seas, the, it's not enough, the research. Put Nemo in there. You get in the shells and then you kind of see some beats from the Nemo movie. And then you're at the exhibits. I don't like either.

I think they've, in a lot of ways, they've done Nemo, a great movie and a great property, Dirty, with the park stream. Except for Crush. I just did Turtle Talk with Crush for the first, not the firstirty, with the park stream in, except for Crush. I just did Turtle Talk with Crush for the first, not the first time, but the first time in a very long time, and with a kid. Wonderful. Great. Crush is great. Crush's coaster seems really good. Yeah. So there's been good Nemo things, but this one,

I don't know. I just think, I think we did it, right? We're done. We did it. It came back. Everybody's happy. It came back. Yeah. The goals, we um the goals we saw the goals we like the mind mind goals oh goals oh yeah seagulls hank the uh octopus i think they call him a septopus because he's missing a tentacle from the new one from the new one oh yeah he's been hanging out yeah yeah i think finding nemo is very visually stunning but i think finding dory is a more uh engaging movie because it's just a prison escape movie oh and i just i think i just like

that i've never seen all it's room my kid doesn't care for it so i don't know um but uh yeah no i do like them aesthetically and uh but i don't know i It's got to live in other places, I think. Guys, what do we do? What do we do with this land? All right, let's pretend it happened. It's gone. It's all gone. Our monorail loops, our endless loops, that happens over there.

Autopia dead people mover tracks, it's gone. Who knows if this will happen in reality, but let's say that day has come. What do we do? Well, it's's gonna be the rise of trend you know you got you get trend in there you get the tron roller coaster trend light lethright psych psych thricles yeah it's it's a little bit of a throw ride because you film a new pre-show video with jared lato everyone's like, I feel oogie. Like, I got to get on this coaster to shake off the ooginess.

Yeah, that's the practical. That's probably the most likely scenario. You're thinking from a businessman perspective, as usual. Well, you know me. I'm a capitalist through and through. You said it all the time that's well let's talk that out if it's true i mean that that's that feels like the only way tron's going in uh i i think is there i still all right i did some like overhead i got i got some google maps out and

i was like yeah dropping some attractions into spaces. There's room for a lot. I think you could do Tron, but I think it is a little awkward space-wise. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. But I have another.

I mean, look, I'll get into it. All right. Let's talk about what are maybe the viable candidates for it. Tron definitely won. It's next to Tomorrowland so it it could be that um let's uh let's let's invoke uh awa let's talk avatar yeah yeah is there any possibility that you end up with something avatar over here yeah there's a possibility i mean at this moment in the company it feels like it's a it would just be a flight of Passage clone. That's the most likely thing.

I did an overhead of Pandora, and I think you could fit Pandora. I think existing- You mean the full land? Yeah, I think so. Maybe you got to cut or move Satooli Canteen. Like you can't do the literal Galaxy's Edge where it's the exact same footprint land-wise.

You got to like maybe tuck some things in. But I think there's some cool way to like, because this is the border of Fantasyland and Tomorrowland and Avatar is futuristic, but it's also fantasy. And I think there's some way to, it's the natural beauty that comes out of like, I think it would blend with Matterhorn well. But then i think you

could maybe keep it going and there's some pandora base something take over to the interventions building too well i was going to say that you could transition from tomorrowland it's like oh it's a space it's a spaceport hub and then there's some sort of transition to the greenery of pandora that kind of can be like we're keeping water in here we're keep we're going with way of water here and we're using some like some of what oh yeah yeah sure um you could also not do river adventure which would make the show building a little smaller which i don't know exactly where that happens i'm not saying you have to i'm just saying under it though isn't it i i think maybe it's maybe it would actually be i guess i guess you're right i guess because there's in the same building sort of hurt

i could be wrong no it isn't for sure because that's the whole thing with the fire alarm if somebody pulls a fire alarm on one of the rides they both have to shut down so maybe if they're copy pasting and i say that very for about a billion dollar thing is the same plans or whatever i think it makes sense to still do a river journey look at my map here i think it fits yeah it does that's the whole it kind of fits perfectly and you're not and and you got it's a tough neck of the woods because you got harbor boulevard right there and you also got train train's not moving there's nowhere for train to go and you gotta keep some monorail i don't thinkail. I think that the endless loops

when you come back into the park, I think has to be gone. Yeah. But I don't think they're going to move the monorail station. But I think that fits in some Pandora. That's okay. I mean, I wouldn't be mad at that.

I'm not going to confirm that's on top of Autopia, the Lagoon, and the Interventions? This version does not quite go to Interventions. I think there's some way that it could, and I think you've got to deal with Satooli. You've got to put it somewhere. So you could extend that out. I'll try to post these vague bad Photoshopps.

But Small World's fine. We're taking over where Motorboat Cruise has not been for a long time just all that it's all gone you clear it all out and we get pandora i you i would be thrilled if they were going to do that yes and and yeah i think when you look at that google maps it's like it's it's so much bigger than you even imagine it is. It's a quarter of a part. Not literally, but getting there. Yeah. I'm sure there are ways. I don't know. Yeah.

If somebody could explain that, oh, they need to make part of this smaller just from the configuration of this land. But I'm sure they could do some things to make it smaller because Pandora is not that big of a land. No, it's pretty compact. And I almost like, there's pluses and minuses about it being smaller because I think it is cool that it's like,

you don't have to do like the Hallelujah Mountains, which I think would be maybe harder if there was like a Galaxy's Edge sized Hallelujah Mountains. Although maybe I'm wrong. Maybe like it would look even more amazing that way. But I kind of think that like it's consistent so small, it really feels impressive to look up and see these mountains floating. Oh,

sure. Yeah. But there's gotta be a way to even shrink it a little more and find little spots to, to sneak it into that, that land. But there's a way, I don't think you could just literally take the same footprint,

but I think there's something you could do. Or, demolish all of it, put up a big building, and you walk through a place where you just see the trees from Pandora. It's an experience, not a ride.

Sounds good. Yeah, yeah. Or, you know what? Leave everything as is. In a vengeance building, they just put some, acrons, some static acrons in there. Get some static acrons. You build the gift shop. Oh, gift shop too. Oh, great. All right.

Well, if we can buy Avatar things, then we're all set. Who needs a wreck? But yeah, that is a good idea. Very good idea. People have speculated in those Disneyland forward pictures that part of one of the things looks like Pandora. And that's maybe one of the only things. It all depends on are we getting Disneyland Forward. And to refresh any listener's memory, that's kind of any space over by the hotels that is not currently a parking lot.

They want to turn into theme parks. Including parking lots, though, too. Some, I think. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, because you can... This is a theme park trick. Oh, wait.

I meant that is a parking lot. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I think it's not a hotel is what I meant to say. Yes. Yeah. Flat parking lots take up a lot of room, but I think that's what they're doing with Epic Universe.

They're building a flat parking lot, and as time goes on, they'll close it and build a garage. Yeah. Yes. So the space goes up. Stack it up, rack it up. So, yes, of realistic things to do,

that is probably the top coolest idea, I think. Having the most, if we've got the space over in Disneyland Forward area, maybe you wait for that. So we get like a lot of Pandora. I mean, a lot of the things on the short list could be that, but what if it doesn't happen? And what if this could happen sooner? That would be amazing. I mean, I've heard like, you know, Matterhorn's going to have to be rebuilt in the next couple

decades because it's falling apart. Really? There's a Frozen Land that's open or in the next couple decades because it's falling apart. Really? There's a frozen land that's open or is opening soon. Or is it open? Wait. It is open. It is open. It is in Hong Kong. I have an overhead of that as well.

And it fits as well. Yeah. Because that's the other rumor that's been happening. Have you seen pictures? Yes. Or video or anything? Now that I ask if it's open, I've watched a ride through of the ride and go oh it's the same matterhorn or matterhorn jesus it's the same maelstrom layout yeah the frozen ride yeah

a little little changes and i think like aesthetically better those robots are better oh of course yeah um uh it seems not i think i think i think good little plus ups yeah um and i think that here's partially why i would i would vote for maybe my order of preference is pandora then frozen over tron because we did tron i like tron you do end up with like it'd be a shame to use a lot of that too much of that land for just one giant show building and that's what it becomes because i think what i do like about submarine lagoon is the lagoon itself. I like that there's some nature there.

Yeah, yeah. Fake nature. You got a body of water. And the land itself in Hong Kong, the world of Frozen, I think looks fantastic. Yeah. Just the lake and the harbor. And regardless of those rides, one of which is a roller coaster that's so short that if you watch a ride through of it you laugh at the end like truly it ends and you're like you're kidding i think it's 50 seconds is that shorter than

gadgets go coaster i think so yeah so it's not like i'm dying to get the same wandering oaken's but you know or even yeah the sleighs or whatever frozen air is fine but like i think aesthetically, and of course that blends with Matterhorn really well, it blends with Fantasyland really well. I think that's a great option over there. Well, here's a dark horse candidate. Japan is closing their Space Mountain, rebuilding it.

Oh. Well, that'd be received from people like that. And then you start in America, start going like, maybe we should demolish and rebuild some Space Mountain. Ooh, okay. Well, if we're dealing with Tomorrowland problem, this is a very interesting notion that maybe, is there some way to rebuild the whole complex? You get a new Space Mountain and Tron.

You make it such that those all do work together. Maybe you got to blow up Buzz Lightyear to make it all fit. Well, sorry, Buzz. Whoops. Whatever. This is a larger fixing Tomorrowland thing we've talked about. We have. Can I talk about my idea for a future episode about this topic?

Sure. We can cut it out if we don't want to do it. Yeah. I think we should do an episode where each of us get a different prompt for fixing Tomorrowland. One of us gets the open checkbook blue sky version where you get to do whatever you want

with an unlimited budget. The next, this will all be probably at random, and the next person gets to do it in a very businessman-minded way, the Disneyland today. What would they do yes what would they do with a decent good budget uh uh which is probably yes frozen or pandora but obviously you can think of fun creative ways and then we're including all of this and like we can

if budget allows yes the eyes will be on the realism of that one. But can we do some stuff to, you know, Pizza Port and the theater and all that crap? Right. So you'll get a healthy budget, I'll say, to do cool stuff. And you can demolish things and you can build things. But it won't be like a crazy dream scenario. And then the third person will get fixed Tomorrowland on a budget budget which means that you get a very small amount of money you can not demolish things but you can plus things up here and there in ways you can change music you can change lighting you can serve different food at pizza port maybe or

whatever there's different things you could do that could at least dress it up and you're gonna have to do your best with a low amount of money to fix this. That's going to be a bitter pill to swallow, I think, which one of us gets that, whichever one of us draws that straw. But maybe it's where the ultimate reward lies. Perhaps. As the most true challenge.

And then I guess we'll have the listeners vote on who's Tomorrowland you want. Well, aren't they going to vote for the ultimate one? You would think so. In what world is the cheap one, even the best vote for the ultimate one? You would think so. In what world is the cheap one, even the best version of the cheap one? This is just an example. And I don't want to, look, say Jason says, all right, here's what we're doing.

We're demolishing all of Tomorrowland and we're going to build a museum that honors famous actor James Mason. Now, that's an unlimited budget. He describes an amazing James Mason museum now that's coming to Tomorrowland. We see all these different movies, sort of rope animatronics of different James Mason movies. Yeah, like a half hour symposium every hour. Yes. Where it's like, well, you know, the history of Lolita is very complicated. Right.

But Nabokov's way with the English language, even though he was a native Russian speaker. Right. Of course. Well, you need to look at his work Pale Fire to really get his way. Right. And Space Mountain is now Space Mason and he's here going through sort of a space adventure

while he narrates it. And this is a very expensive redo and you say, well, what does this have to do with Tomorrowland? And Jason says it doesn't. So there is a scenario where then the listener goes i don't know if i necessarily want that version in the masons where you discover innovative new ways that we'll be watching james mason's films in the future right and by the future i mean uh 28 years ago exactly so i'm saying there's a versions where the audience maybe doesn't like the unlimited budget. Okay.

Tomorrowland. Depending on who is the, who. Maybe you fly too close to the sun. Exactly. So we'll see. If the ultimate, like, if the ultimate version involves a lot of, you know, free drugs and pornographic acts. Right.

I picture a Tomorrowland that's a modern day Sodom. Right. Well, let the Demorats have their way well i'm glad you've teased that i mean yeah i think we're heading for that that's where this tomorrowland stuff will ultimately go i don't well look maybe i should save this for that but let me get this notion out there sure go for it here's my other because i'm i'm resistant to i'm interested in tron right yeah but uh i don't know if i just want tron light cycle run plopped there show building we lose nature or whatever maybe there's a way to like fit two things in there i'm not sure um but

here's maybe if i'm getting a little greedy here's what i think it is that i think you could do world of frozen in a smaller way and then maybe it's not full okay i liked drawn i liked light cycle run is it the show building that i care is it what happens in the show building that i liked a lot not necessarily i think i like that track i think i like that ride vehicle i think i like the aesthetic yeah isn't there some way that you could do a neutron thing designed for tomorrowland that uses some of where the people mover and rocket rods used to go absolutely some new space it's like mini show buildings something to get you that kinetic energy let's all say it together that that has been lost for so long in this land like the light cycles become

the new people mover rocket rods yeah and it's like it's like this deconstructed version of it and that's our future transportation um you know it weaves maybe you can take over some backstage area maybe it goes around space mountain maybe there's some like wild new way to do the light cycle oh yeah i mean what you're describing is the perfect way to do it, but you're veering into unlimited money prompt. Yeah, sure. It's just on the line.

It's just on the line a bit. Just on the line. Tren, ride it out. We gotta see what happens to Tren. Because, yeah, they just plop Tron down from Shanghai into Orlando, which I guess it works fine because they have a lot of room there, Because, yeah, they just plopped Tron down from Shanghai into Orlando. Yeah. Which I guess it works fine because they have a lot of room there.

But it's like Space Mountain's next to Tron. I don't know. It's still kind of weird to me a little bit. It's not that bad. No. Because Tron is such a huge building. I like that. Aesthetically, I like that building so much. Yeah, I do too.

But, yeah, no, what you're describing is the ultimate awesome version of it, which will, I think you need a full demolition though in this scenario. Of everything still? Of everything. I think absolutely. Maybe. Because they can't open up the PeopleMover track again because of the OSHA codes. Well, it's not using that track.

I think it's some weird tubes that go around all of it. I still think you got to demolish everything. Okay, sure. I don't think, unless you build stuff on top of the buildings, maybe. That's what I'm thinking. This is a twisted colossus. Yeah, I don't know Anaheim

codes of how high stuff can go. I don't think we're breaking any codes. We're not getting higher than Guardians Tower of Terror. Well, I think Tower of Terror they had to go like just under it and put the blinking, maybe some blinking red lights on top. No, we don't.

Well, that's in Florida. It's just under it. We're staying low and lean. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's the coolest idea for the Tron ride, especially going in and out of stuff. We haven't done tron episode yet but like tron is very simple to me the ride is very simple and it doesn't does a couple things

cool and i like it and but like the idea of like going in and out of things and and into the grid and out of the grid and seeing disneyland and then back into the grid is that not that tomorrowland spirit is that not what the whole area needs? That is very exciting, that idea. Have I told that story where I won a drink ticket at a Disney-themed cabaret show? There used to be this cabaret space called Rockwell in LA, and it was a bunch of Jane Newsome people doing it,

and they were doing a lot of disney songs and stuff and the host uh was like okay does anyone know why there's uh someone so about terror terror in florida and i was like it's one fleet lower than the faa regulations they didn't want to put blinking red lights on it so they built it slightly lower and he went why do you know that? And I was like, I host a podcast about people. Wow. Well, you got it out. Yes.

Congratulations. Did you get a round of applause? Yes, I got a confused round of applause to get that well gin and tonic ticket. That was sick. Nice. You couldn't, did it say does not apply to higher shelf? No bee feeders, no tangerine. Anything above that blinking red light, you cannot have.

Yes, no, the well does not have a blinking red light. The new Amsterdam or whatever, you know, is fine. Well, I think these are all interesting things to think about. It's mainly interesting to think about a demolition team coming and destroying this leaking lagoon. We should have. Which had a good run. It did. We said what was good about it.

Yeah. I'm not taking this away from Baxter or any of them. It was a good attraction. Good job, everyone. Now, step aside gracefully so we can get some new cool stuff. So we can go honor Awa or Tren or whatever, or Oaken, or whatever it is. Yes, like Piacon destroying those boats. The whales are starting to destroy boats on Earth. Exactly. those boats the whales are starting to destroy boats on earth exactly and it is time for the whale brand bulldozers to come in yeah flop on it yank all the pieces away with the taut metal

cables yeah yep it's time i'm sorry that but that is our ruling uh do you agree with us let us know uh in comments uh we'll keep but i think i don't think we're too far off from what people are saying because i did do a poll right after astro orbiter yeah i think it occurred to us mid-episode we were i asked the question what's the worst ride in disneyland proper uh astro orbiter did not win that poll uh autopia won that poll second place finding nemo subs yeah um yeah then people wanted canoes in the poll and that's ridiculous i put it in the poll and i said canoes all caps not this wrong and it lost thank god yeah i only put i put storybook land in because people said that in the comments and then people said

why is that in the poll i don't know because a lot of people said it i'm not saying yeah i i i would i would never storybook land not i would never put that never no not me either charming nice great but the two possible worst rides next on top of each other sorry yeah i think uh i think it's time i think it's time um well with that uh official ruling that, you know, say what you think, but that is, you know, we have ruled and no one can actually disagree. No. We will be the final judge of quality. I will. And you've survived Podcast the Ride.

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