Podcast: The Ride - T2-3D: Battle Across Time with Griffin Newman

Episode Date: April 19, 2019

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FOREVER! DOG! three-dimensional look at T2 3D Battle Across Time with special guest Griffin Newman. Come with us if you want to enjoy a podcast. This is Podcast The Riot, hosted by three guys who would be totally cool with Cyberdyne's rise to power as long as they had a decent theme park division. I'm Scott Gerner, joined by Mike Carlson and Jason Sheridan yeah I'm Mike Carlson yeah that would be honestly that's one of the things about the horrible scary future companies consolidating machines taking over jobs but the technology for theme parks and theme park rides

gonna be very interesting very cool so that is something to look forward to I was thinking after thinking of that line that we would probably be we would be like sending each other videos of the demo for the t1000 this is pretty sweet like this first done show or something i think michael bennett dyson has done it again they filed a patent for a liquid animatronic it's gotta be it's gonna be for a marvel thing i wonder like this wow see if you could shoot a thing apart and then it reforms oh my god yeah then we're like interviewing its creator at like a live show we're like you're so cool man you like made all of our dreams come true anything you work on anything else cool yes a couple things um the actual creator is dead with a twisted neck backstage robert

robert patrick has taken on that form let's not go much further without bringing in our guest returning to the show continuing his podcast ride 3d film dissertation uh from the tick and from blank check it's griffin newman uh thank you so much for having me back uh real honor and a privilege uh two things I want to share right off the top uh Jason had messaged me uh and uh I'm I'm in town for uh the WonderCon convention in Anaheim in Anaheim right so uh he saw that I was gonna be in town and said I don't know if you'd want to come on and talk about other Muppet stuff because there's so many other Muppet things in the park between the shows and the things they develop I haven't done I don't know if i want to pigeonhole

myself just be the muppet guy sure because we'll pigeonhole you and then you message me then you message me and said what if you did terminator 2 3d and i went oh i will totally get pigeonholed as the 3d movie yeah well that's a little more open-ended except that pigeonhole well and this was a this was a reddit. I wish I had the the name on it. A couple of people were talking about this on our on our subreddit. But this this did apparently come up before on Blank Check. I'd apparently said it was one of my five favorite movies of all time. Terminator 2 3D, which I think I made a similar claim during the Muppet Vision 3D episode that that's one of my five or ten favorite movies of all time.

Justified. I don't want to like great films yeah i don't want to just you know spoil our takes in general but this is like i was realized i think this is one of my top 10 favorite theme park things ever i think also i mean i assume this is uncontroversial opinion the third best terminator film oh sure if we count this as one out of six i in the last 24 hours in order to like make sure i could make such claims i had not seen past two and i watched three rise of the machines last yeah that's right and this morning because i fell asleep while i was on during what was described to me as the most exciting part. Rough, rough stuff. I mean, I was tired anyway. But like, oh, boy, what a bunch of like aesthetic-less post-Matrix leather for no reason.

Have you seen the other two? No. I have no idea how good it gets. How good you have it with Rise of the Machines. I kind of don't like rise of the machines really genesis and salvation are like nightmare movies yeah salvation is kind of stunning how like kind of empty it is how nothing it is with like with like as big of a lead as christian bale yes it's like a guy i usually like and sam worthington oh yeah the world's greatest

charisma magnet sam worthington jake sully world's greatest charisma magnet sam i just in the last like three months sat down and like in one sitting beginning to end watch t2 like i had seen the whole movie in pieces over the years wow but just in one sitting sat down and watched it it was a fairly long sitting because it is a long movie. Yeah. Which I had forgotten about from only seeing it in pieces. I had in one sitting scene, Terminator three rise of the machines for some reason. Uh,

order. Yeah. How does that change your perception of everything? Um, it kind of makes some stuff make sense. I feel like there's a lot of uh there's a lot of them going between set pieces in t2 like there is a lot of like threads between like all right we got to get to this chase and we got to get to this chase and we got to get to this sequence

but they're fun little like character exchanges i i think yeah getting to know i mean you're getting to calm down a little bit it really is kind of like the first modern blockbuster in that sense in terms of how it's structured of like you need like five massive set pieces and the plot is what's connecting those the effects look better than some movies from like five years ago yeah are you criticizing terminator 2 it seems like i'm reading between the lines you seem like you're saying a little long it's a judgment day for Jason I thought like it was good it did just feel

long I mean I feel like my criticism nowadays is for most movies is that is long which maybe it predicted that too three hours and two minutes four intermissions, right? Yes.

And it has an overture. Overture at the start. Right. Alan Silvestri's Avengers theme. Yes. Before I forget, the other thing I wanted to say as a pre-note was at WonderCon yesterday, we did a signing for the tick and a guy came up to me. He was like one of the last people at the signing.

And he leaned. He was like very shy. And he leaned in and he said, please go on podcast the right again wow oh amazing and i said hey buddy i'm going on it tomorrow and he reacted as if i had proven that santa claus was real all right he thought it was like a fight like it was gonna be a like you know well i don't know those guys are gonna be into it you know they see my bad turns last time and i said dude it's on the books wow he almost had a tear in his eye yes i did not realize because at the time that i came on this and i just offhandedly said pizza rizzo is bad oh my

god episodes had not been released yet and i didn't realize that there were going to be like eight consecutive episodes i land somewhere in the middle of that of everyone litigating the pizza rizzo gate out of nowhere yeah a couple people just walked in without realizing what a thing it had become uh really the the battle for salvation of its day i do like that everyone agrees that the pizza is bad i I mean, that's not even a part of the argument. Yeah, that's not in question. It's about have you seen the party room upstairs? It's the party room and is it enough theming?

I think that's the argument because the argument on both sides, one side is like, this doesn't look like anything. Whereas the robots, whatever. The other side is look at the wall. Look at the poster. The poster has a word that's a reference To the Muppets That's cool Right So it's really

I feel like the debate is How much do you want? I want a lot I agree I probably fall on the side Of just You know selfishness Of the potential

Of a Muppet restaurant As many people have brought up In the ongoing Pizza Resort Podcast Right The potential is so great That's a little disappointing

Yes I perhaps didn't spend Enough attention To everything on the wall because the general theming of the room is pretty generic yes you have to really look at the details and certainly i have now seen video walkthroughs of the party room and i appreciate that that is a much better room yes but i feel like it's a failing if i can walk in there as a massive muppet fan eat a full pizza and leave without noticing the amount of theming there is i look i agree with that the play might be to go to another restaurant and get like the mobile order to go whatever other whatever trendy food thing disney is doing a poke bowl chicken and waffles and then take it in the

pizza rizzo yeah sneak out galaxy's edge food sneak out yeah smuggle it because the pizza is truly terrible yeah it's next to a good it's next to mama melrose which has like a wood burning like real pizza oven which is good and what's supposed to be the original muppet gonzo's pizza place oh interesting even got so far i was watching the uh the yesterworld series of videos they have all like a video about unbuilt stuff or remnants of stuff that was unbuilt and mama melrose has these very unique rafter system and that was like all right this is gonna be the uh gonzo's pizzeria and rizzo and his his friends and family are gonna deliver you pizzas from the rafter like animatronics will deliver it and that's why it was and then they ran out of money and the contract got weird and

so and look my problem with pizza is the same problem i had with pizza planet before it which is just like there's so much you can be doing here you know that i kind of i i'm reluctant to give you faint praise for what you have done right you know this is sort of a this is a thing tony baxter has come back to which is you know you don't get you don't win points for what you did given the budget right because the audience doesn't know that right if it's yeah like it doesn't say the budget on the on the outside of the building which would be funny if it said like here's how much money we had so like isn't it good what we did with it we prefer it that way sure it'd be interesting the way they utilized the limited budget they had for incredicoaster is clever and pretty effective when i heard it was just oh it's like a repainting and a reskinning of the thing. I was like, this thing is going to be so lame.

I was so ready to be underwhelmed by it. And I thought this is a pretty decent re-theming considering the schedule and the timing they had. And I wasn't really grading it on that curve. You know, I wasn't giving them credit for maybe it would have been better if it had been designed from the get-go. Sure. But like going on that at night, you're like, this is a pretty effective Incredibles ride that works in a different way than you know. You don't want it to be the only Incredibles ride.

No. But for if that's the one that's there now, great. And I think the real test is if you like took it all out and said we're going back to California screaming, would anybody be happy about that? It would be a minus. It would actively be a minus. I'll say this. Though someone listening for sure would like it.

Oh, I think multiple people listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. Spending the last couple of days walking around Anaheim but not going into the park. Oh. So I have seen the Incredicoaster skyline from the convention center. It's right in your face. The one thing that irks me is I wish they had made it look like the entire roller coaster was her stretching.

Oh. And it feels like they're pretty close to doing that with the red tunnels. Mm-hmm. But the white of the support feels a little incongruous with the Incredibles aesthetic. And I feel like they could have had

like a sculptural arm, you know, or her head on top of the thing. I think with like another $50 million that you could read, like there's that whole section that's empty on the, when you're looking at it in the park on the left that you could put some big tall thing just to some spinning light contraption, like just something doesn't even make sense. There's a bunch of things like that,

but it's pretty close. Like it's, it's know i i mean it's uh i think it works yeah yeah sure yeah they gotta do something though like that view that you had uh on what is that catella is at the street yeah uh that that's that's not the best view for i like imagine if there was a big like stretchy mrs incredible like luring you into the park from the Like imagine if there was a big like Stretchy Mrs. Incredible Like luring you into the park from the end The back of Cars Land looks like nothing The back of Cars Land looks really bad Yeah

I was sort of Because I'll say the The Guardians Looks cool Facade looks really good from a distance When you're driving up You feel the magic Yeah they did the back

They really did It's just gray Right The back of cars land feels like you know you're walking through like the set of of superstore or something like it's like plywood you know i i was down i went down to wintercon i saw your panel and walked around uh and and i took the the shuttle i had to park at angel stadium take the shuttle over and i was like oh yeah the back of

cars land looks like catastrophe canyon except they put up a slight metallic fence so it wasn't just girders yeah it's a little a little better than just girders but still just like some very bland metal work so damning it with faint praise i guess but that's like i mean for the amount of energy they put into trying to sell that pixar pier was different than paradise pier you look at that skyline and you're like it still just looks like a ferris wheel and like a white roller coaster yeah by and large it still just kind of looks like an old boardwalk carnival yes oh you have to get up close to see what they did different or be in those tunnels right and i like I like, I like the red tunnels and I'm like, you're so close,

you know, and Krabbles is all like red and black and yellow. Yeah. Yes. If they painted the whole thing. And she's a stretchy lady. You're very close to making the thing look good. Cause I think when you're on it,

it's pretty effective. The internal theming. Yeah. But it's, I mean, there's still, they still have to put that inside out thing The repurposed flicks flyers

Which is a bugs land ride they're going to put over And make it like emotional Well right and that's called the emotional whirlwind That's the joke though But it should have been the emotional rollercoaster And I know it's what they wanted in Credicoaster Because that's the bigger film But emotional rollercoaster is such a slam dunk

Yeah I guess the fact that they it must have something to do with it they had incredibles 2 to promote right i think so movie but you wish like maybe they would have like done a simpler re-theming of the uh what is it california screaming was what it used to be yeah yeah right to be inside out and then just actually put money into making a proper incredibles right but i guess they wanted to have something open by the time yeah yeah two came out they wanted to be able to market it so i read on message boards i don't remember if it was mice

chat or wdw magic which one that it was like a lassiter at the time when he was still around was upset that pixar hadn't been in the part like they hadn't gotten a new pixar thing so they were like we'll placate this guy and give him some pixar and then there'll be a thing we can market as like you go over to the other place when star wars land opens yeah and i feel like i feel like maybe we'll get that inside out right and then like they'll just kind of be like who cares we're not gonna we did what we did over there should have allocated some money for power washing that roller coaster because those white beams are like dirty when you go on it they're dirty white they

look like the cyclone or something you know like they're like old like pre-renovation coney iowa the charm it's an old carnival it's a fair but that's the problem that then doesn't mesh with like oh it's so it's so incredible babysitting adventure. Mickey's face is still on the pal around, which is so strange. Yeah. They all know. Everyone knows.

Everyone knows. Yeah. That it's, yeah. I have a feeling that it'll be abandoned as soon as that inside out thing is gone or is done. Weird. But it also feels like it makes sense for like,

since California adventure didn't have a strong identity for so long to be is gone or is done weird but it also feels like it makes sense for like since california adventure didn't have a strong identity for so long to be like this is we're like you know uh throwing down the gauntlet to be like this will be the place where pixar and marvel are more represented sure but then you know the marvel thing it feels like they're doing very deliberately uh working out those rights and figuring out the right technology and the pixar stuff feels a little just sort of like slapping new stickers on it yeah oh for sure i mean it doesn't make sense to me that they didn't do like just put some robots on the grizzly river run and then put something in the walk around area yeah and like rebrand that because that's an area not even trafficked very much so like you really

have a chance to completely make a new identity for that part of the park. Yes. But I don't know. Can you ever get Slinky Dog? Like they take out those like that weird like restaurant garden area. I bet that's a moneymaker though for them over there. Yeah, maybe so. That's the problem.

That's a good point. They could take out the Goofy roller coaster. It's not a room for Slinky though. Not a room. I guess that's the other weird thing about it is that all these other parks are getting toy story land now and all the toy story lands are different so there are like 10 actual toy story rides that they could pull from now yeah but most are bad though most are pretty good it's like it wasn't supposed to be good yeah yeah it's supposed to

be fun right it's all in a well-made way mania obviously but like we talked about before how like oh wait so what is what are they calling like the pizza and pasta and like that little stretch it's like oh that's still called paradise garden so there's pixar pier paradise garden which is different from paradise pier is uh is gone but right paradise pier hotel well i guess what i was saying before is they're supposedly going to keep theming around With Pixar but I have a feeling It's going to be abandoned That's what I'm saying You think there will never be a phase 2

You think phase 1 ends with Emotional whirlwind Yeah that's pretty close And the Jesse one right That's almost open But that's what I feel like They're just going to be like Are we going to re-theme the rest of the...

There's like nothing there. Because are you going to re-theme the... What do you call it? The swings? The silly symphony swings? People like Mickey on the top. What is that going to be? It doesn't matter.

Why would we change the stupid... Like take Mickey out and put... Well, they... Day of the Dead, there's... Brave up on there? I don't know. Yes, yes. They do a lot of... They did a lot of Coco stuff for Day of the Dead, there's... Brave up on there? I don't know. Yes, yes. They do a lot of Cocoa.

They did a lot of Cocoa stuff for Day of the Dead in that area. So you could make that year round, I guess. There's too many bigger things. It's a lot of seasonal stuff they do over there too. Like you got, we have, there has to be a Fantasyland expansion. They have to build more Marvel once this first underwhelming thing, Marvel happens next year uh tomorrow like there's so much stuff that has to happen i feel like this has got to be in the back of the list

it should be it should be because it's a fine place even if it's inconsistently themed yeah but you want okay you want to talk about a property that was not half-assed into a theme park something that was done full tilt one of the most expensive attractions of its time yeah yeah i think it took that mantle for me oh of most expensive per minute yeah a fun good fact that short films and theme parks kind of only short films and theme parks can have well because the math is that it was what it was 12 million for uh 20 no i'm sorry 24 million for 12 minutes yeah wow but then it costs another 36 million for all the other elements yes i had to check my notes you had that in your head i i just i was cramming everything before coming here yeah watching as many videos going through the wikipedia watching because it is it's a tough that's the thing also is it's like

unlike a lot of these shows or a lot of these 3d movies it's a really tough one to recapture watching on youtube yes because of the way they integrate the onstage performers and the 3d footage yeah where you kind of have to watch it and then go like right i remember it sort of feeling like this because watching a video of live actors entering a 70 millimeter movie is not as impressive as you're there holy shit and the screens expand yeah uh there's so much this thing did so many there were so many innovations to this attraction that were not done had never been done before and can't be done besides by universal right this universal has like four or five unique patents from developing this one attraction.

Wow. Just from this thing. Yeah. Was this what made Tim Burton, Tim Burton, uh, James Cameron, um,

is this, uh, uh, what started the three, three D I wouldn't be surprised on three. I would not be surprised. Maybe. Yeah.

It makes a lot of sense. It looks so fucking good yeah what a beautifully shot right 70 millimeter 40 frames per second yeah 3d and the other ones like eo muppet vision have escaped as like we kind of have the real movie of it right you cannot at least not youtube there's no like print of it. Right, because people will like, you know, pick just the one lens or whatever and make a 2D converted YouTube version that you can watch and get the sense of the movie. And even Muppet Vision, the stuff that happens in the theater around you is a little more incidental. Yeah. It's fun.

It adds atmosphere when you're there, but it doesn't take away from the narrative of the movie the t2 thing is so ambitious in terms of like how many different sort of uh mediums it's using to tell its story yeah that it's really hard i watched i watched a 30 minute video that was the last time they ran it that i got about seven minutes into that and i had a little tap out it's a lot it is also when the woman comes out to give the like uh the speech as like the cyber dime official kimberly duncan the character's name is kimberly duncan they applaud like every line yeah she gets uh the uh yeah the she gets choked at one point and everyone cheers. Right. Yeah. That's the spirit of, oh, it's the last time, but it's still weird. The last time she dies. Right, the mechanism.

The last time she dies. The mechanism that's clearly lifting her up, but it makes it look like he's lifting her up. Yeah, right. It's right behind the podium. Actually, it had not occurred to me there was a thing there. Yeah, that makes sense. That video ends with, at like 22 minutes, the show is over, right? Yeah.

And I was like, why is there another 10 minutes on this video? And all the live performers come out on stage for a curtain call. Yeah. Oh my goodness. And they're all like crying. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's like, you know, opening night of Rent or something.

And they're all like holding each other's hands and cheering. And then they like huddle and clearly have an intimate moment with each other. And then they come back out and take another round of the audience is chanting something i don't understand then a woman comes out with a flag and is waving a t23d flag there's 10 minutes of just like encore that's just like and then one of the two arnold's comes out and starts flexing and like macho man like rooting with the crowd it's crazy Because they have Two of each character So it's weird to see Like

Oh here are two Arnold's Here are two Like John Connor's I wish I was there Though I think I would have Enjoyed being there It was probably amazing

To be there It was probably a party To be there Everything like That Pleasure Island Facebook group That I look at A few times a week

And still at this point Like The community Still If it pops up Yeah I see It shows up in the feed Pleasure Island Facebook group that I Look at a few times a week and still at this Point like the I never Shows up in the feed I still am I kind of blown away that I never thought of all Of this stuff is one big theater company Sure everyone

In Florida all the shows share Performers they travel There's a guy I coached on an Improv team but he's from Orlando, Pirate's Dinner Adventure, and then we ran into him at this coast, Pirate's Dinner Adventure. And he's also at Hogwarts. It's wild. It's a small

community. Well, I'll tell you, my friend Becca Siegel, who is a listener of the show, big fan of you guys. Hi, Becca. Thank you. She has worked at both Disney World and Universal and Pirate's Dinner Adventure and all of the sort of adjacent things. Pirates what? It's a whole thing.

It's a whole circuit. Yeah. And there is that sort of sense of like the last time I went to Florida and I saw her there, it was like her explaining. It kind of feels like when people try to explain like the history of like improv teams. Yeah. kind of feels like when people try to explain like the history of like uh improv teams yeah where she was like so he was like my like gangster when i did great movie ride and then now i'm doing olive oil and he's doing bill and ted but bill and ted just ended so we're waiting to see if he's gonna get transferred over and it was it was i we were there uh the beginning of november i just fucking missed t2 closing it was like a

trip that had been on the books for a while went my friend scott craderman who is also a listener of this show and we like missed it by like a week um but they had just finished doing bill and ted halloween for the last time ever that too too? Oh, yeah. And they were all wearing like shirts and it was like, oh, we're like a theater, like we're the last cast of Cats. Yeah. And we have to like represent this and they were all like crying

and cheering and like going hard at like the Epcot Food and Wine Festival. Sure. I mean, doing a play, when you do a play, the last night,

there is that sense of catharsis of like, we all went through this together and talking to John Murdy who makes the halloween our nights what it is he said like that happens every year the last night of horror nights all the scare actors like everyone is hugging each other at the end everyone's crying everyone's going out together like it's wild the other thing i have found uh uh through doing the tick which has a lot of stunts on it, is a lot of those. I mean, that's like the way that a theme park performers pick up extra cash is to do stunt performance in movies and TV.

And also during dry spells, a lot of regularly working movie and TV stunt people go and do the stunt shows okay yeah there's a guy named nico who's like one of the main characters on this new season playing a creature oh as the physical performer and it turned out that he had done like indiana jones stunt show and i was like what when you got started he was like no i did like two weeks ago i'm like we're probably gonna do it again in a couple months he like pops in and that need is so specific and wow yeah no kidding there really is that sort of like traveling circus like if you've spent the time and you've done it i think both with the people who like do the face characters and the people who do the shows and the people who do the stump shows like if you have any one of those skill sets it feels like they're constantly like hey can you pick up a shift do you want to come over here she's like the disney and orlando and

universal people like go back and forth a fair amount they're not very territorial about keeping people in one or the other have like a nice quality it's not expensive to live in orlando i mean i'm sure like everywhere it's getting more expensive but like you can have a decent quality of life there in a way that like los angeles and new york are a pain in the ass especially if you are like a barely working actor my my friend becca i i knew her from doing uh improv when we were uh uh teenagers together at like summer camp and then we did like improv troops together and stuff and she then like just loved the theme parks during college did like the work programs and then when she graduated was like i just want to work here and after a couple years where they have like a pretty robust like improv theater community in

orlando where they actually pay all the performers what shows are well attended with good ticket prices because of tourists no way every improvis improviser in Orlando gets paid good money. And everyone's like, you're really good. You should really like, you should be doing this in New York. And she was like, I guess I'll go back to New York and try to do it. And she like came back to New York and did it for like nine months and was on house teams and was like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, I'm like losing money.

And she just went back to Orlando and was like, yeah, I yeah do like like tales of the beetle bard or whatever the harry potter show is and like perform at like 18 different places like she gets a lot of variety and what she gets to do perform for rapt excited audiences constantly right and she's like i get to like jump between a bunch of different venues and a bunch of different shows and wear different hats. Literally. Was it like four or five years ago

when I was trying to encourage you to audition for Austin Powers at Universal Singapore? Yeah. And then you started sending Wand Keeper when they started hiring Harry Potter. I think you were like... Out here? No, in Singapore. I was trying to get you to move to Singapore for a year or so, I think.

Before the podcast. looking back like it's like yeah i should have just done that why didn't i do that like i feel like that's like the great like tragedy of being a human being though is you always go like i can't like leave my life and go live in singapore for a year and then a year later you're like i had nothing going on you always think you have more to lose in the moment yeah when you don't take the thing you can't use the tools and perspective you have now to judge yourself in the past as my therapist but yeah you sort through your feelings about not being austin powers in singapore yeah yeah baby yeah i think a year from now jason you will look back on this night as i can't believe i didn't leave that recording and board a plane to singapore i should have clearly run off and done it then it wasn't too

late you could at least be gold member you could be gold member oh You could be gold member. Oh, man. If there is a walk around gold member. Universal Singapore. Don't you think we'd know about it by now? I don't know. We always find little hidden stuff. There could be a whole fifth. There could be like a whole like the full cast of Austin Powers three face characters in Universal Singapore.

You think there's a Foxy Cleopatra walking around? I'm just saying it's possible. For some reason, they only got the gold member rights yeah so they can only do gold member they can only do sumo fat bastard right you can have scott evil but he's gonna have the weird hair implants or whatever was going on with him and then there's uh the like tom cruise austin powers nathan lane's cameo as a saucy club goer what this is a movie i have never watched sat and watched all the way through so i i had no idea about travolta i've been missing big swatches yeah devito plays mini me uh do you know who plays tiger evil kevin's

that's an iconic mr perry uh britney spears is in the opening credit steven spielberg quincey jones right it's got so many god damn cameos I've seen that and I'll put that on for fun On YouTube once every six months You watch Austin Pussy once every six months Yeah the condensed film Austin Pussy I will say I rarely like you know

Despite now having friends who have worked In the theme park system and realizing it's probably A more psychologically Healthy way to be a performer in America than pursuing the traditional entertainment industry, which is like the, the well of souls. I rarely go like, man,

I would, that would, that looks like that would be fun. I would love to play that character, do that. I do. I watched the T2 3d video and i was like man i probably would have had a great time playing john connor for a year like i probably would have loved to

play john connor for a year well but it is a job though and yes the normal job like co-workers you know spats and management being shitty like all of that still happens. A hundred percent. Yeah. That's why, I mean, I'm a negative person and I very quickly think about how annoying any situation can get if you're in it for more than five seconds. And the John Connor thing was the first time where I was like, I think this would be cool enough that I would be willing to put up with what was annoying about this job. Sure. Yeah. There'd be a stretch there before the honeymoon ended right

i can attest from my theme park days one magical summer and then i was ready for all right here we go again oh it sucks immediately yes yes um but you're all making me wistful you're making me want to go back and see if i can overturn that letter that they fired me with because i hadn't worked a shift in seven months i mean you said in one episode that you would love to go back and get to do it like once a year yes i absolutely the old john lassiter run the jungle cruise again let's not put that a gentleman's hug no no it's more like a snl guy returning to host the show yes it's more like that way yeah not like john lassiter hosting snl yeah it's like when chevy chase returns to host snl

the cast is thrilled is he in the five timers club did they revoke spacey i think he only got to three or four okay louis almost made it to five oh no real close on louis there's that one year the like last sort of pre-weinstein year of SNL has like six hosts or musical guests who would never be on the show ever again. A bunch of musical guests. There's like a run of like James Franco, R. Kelly, Casey Affleck. Of course, John Lasseter hosted SNL. And Harvey Weinstein. Harvey Weinstein.

Great episode, though. Really good character work. I mean, he's reading the cards. He's committed, though. He's committed. Except for the shirts. He would not take off the Hawaiian shirts. He just kept changing Hawaiian shirts.

He dances with Jason Sudeikis on What's Up With That. Really great. Really funny. He was having fun. Well, okay, let's, I mean, I'm not even sure where to really start tackling this, but I, well, okay, well, I'll say this. The, if you talk about what would be a fun part to be in this show, which by the way, is a synthesis of a 3D film and live performers on stage.

I feel like the one bummer about being John Connor is that like, I think you would have a really fun run of that, but at some point it becomes pretty precise hitting of marks. And I'm especially convinced of this from watching James Cameron at the rehearsal space where they've set up a temp stage mimicking the dimensions that will eventually be in the theater. Parallel to where they've set up a temp yes stage mimicking the dimensions that will eventually be in the theater parallel to where they were filming like they were spending time both filming on the sets they had built and then going over to the like airplane hangar where they built the replica of the theater to make sure that the two things would work in concert yes yeah eventually building to

i think way down the line building to the 3D team having to consult with the live team. Two things that should never and rarely meet. But that like that making sure the team one million is crossing with the correct amount of seconds that it would take John and Sarah to get from stage left to stage right. See, that's the thing. I think it would be a very difficult job and it is very precise, but there must be a thrill to, if you're doing that show, the audience is going to gasp every time. Like, the first couple times that there's that interaction with someone going in the screen and coming out the screen,

it's so fucking effective. The motorcycle coming out of the screen is insane, and still looked good in 2017. Just on some video, yeah. Right, absolutely. Yeah, really insane. And, like in 2017 just on some video yeah yeah absolutely yeah really watching on the video i was like right right the guys really don't look like arnold schwarzenegger sure sure but you're so impressed by the fact that a guy has like come through the screen that you don't care at all yeah i so this was my entrance point to the Terminator franchise. Me too. I went on this when I was 12 years old and had not seen the Terminator movies. And after that, I was like, well, that's maybe the best theme park attraction I've ever witnessed.

I was all in and then like went home, watched Terminator 1, watched Terminator 2. Oh, gotcha. Retrofit it from like, I'm buying what they're selling. Yeah. And I think I didn't understand how much mythology there was around Terminator. I was like, is it just like a robot slasher movie?

My parents like hated action movies. They never let me watch them. So I think I kind of dismissed it in the way when you're a kid, if you're not allowed to watch something, you pretend like you don't like it. Right.

I'm exactly the same. I think probably I was like saying, I'd rather watch Beauty and the Beast. I just think Scary Movie doesn't look funny. It looks juvenile to me. I wouldn't even bother seeing it. I don't want to hear this jerky boys CD.

Right. So I was in that mode. And then I remember my dad was like, you know, he had the boys. My mom was, you know, with my sister, who was very young at the time. And he was like, come on, let's go on like the Terminator. It's like a little edgier. It's kind of like a big kids ride you know and i think he liked that he knew he would be able to sit down in a seat and not have to go on some like thing but a little surprise at the

end right my father never seen any of the terminator movies like took us just because i think he thought it would be like easier on his back and i sat there and i was like even just from the theming of like the pre-show stuff I was like I like this is like an evil company I like that it's sort of like a consumer facing company that's clearly like messaged as like having this sinister edge and then when the video cuts in I was like I don't know who Sarah Connor is I don't know who John Connor is but I love that it's about them trying to change the future I was like so on board and i walked out of the thing and i went to the gift shop and i bought myself a bunch of terminator merchandise literally in the gift yeah and i was

like i love this character i love the terminator and then like oh yeah yeah like a week later like went back to new york and was like cool i guess i gotta watch those uh those prequels to terminator 2 3d yeah yeah and then it became one of my favorite franchises to the point where i still do like kind of like three because i'm so all in on terminator it's still giving you tastes it's this image i know is the system i know and this sound and like right right the other two for me are just like what about the show uh i i was uh when it was not very able to get into sarah connor chronicles i know some people like it a lot yeah it's like there's so much i feel like is there a franchise though with more stuff that people don't like

than terminator no no it's so true it's called the simpsons fair enough i think what's weird though about the terminator though is that you go like okay cameron makes two of them yes and then they get him to commit to make the 3d thing which functions as like a little bonus little coda thing but two ends so conclusively he says though in that video did you catch that he says this is the third one he says this movie might act as a bridge to the third one so what is he talking about watch three and i think it would only it would only be a bridge to his third one you want to the other really weird interesting thing about the terminator franchise is it's like the only massive franchise that isn't owned by

a studio like the rights are so fucking weird we're like the rights for all of them are different really owned by Gail Ann Hurd is that who the rights finally reverted back to him okay and then I think the Ellison's put up the money to buy it to get to give him the financing to make because he's now producing this new one right there's another fucking deadpool guy right like that's the thing that's so fascinating is like you go like okay simpsons maybe now they're on average more episodes that people dislike than the ones that people love but terminator is fascinating because like every five years they're like clean start we're finally gonna get it right this time mythology allows for that right because time

distortion and the time straight like you could just say oh that one doesn't count now a new new timeline in a way where it's like it seems insane the way they handled that with all the x-men movies we're like trying to like oh matthew vaughn breathe new life into it singers back baby like immediately he fucks up the timeline immediately fucks up the timing line and like yeah but patrick stewart and hugh jackman are back too but then we have to marry it with these young people also and right it doesn't really make a lot of sense terminator can just like hard reset anytime they want jump to any dimension or any alternate reality but the weird thing is you go like okay he makes he makes his one, he makes his two.

He maybe wants to make three, but he never had control of the rights and they were always like, you know, getting like, because I think, who was it? It was some company that then went under, made and released Terminator 2. Carol Co. or something. Right, right.

So then the rights transferred and then it was like, I don't want to work with these people. You know, like the people who then inherited it the sequel rights at least he didn't want to make it for them oh so then they ended up selling it to warner brothers and he was like i'm burned i'm not gonna do it and then apparently told arnold like you should do and ask for more money than anyone's ever made in a movie which he did arnold made 30 million dollars oh my god 15 years ago from terminator 3 it was kind of like right the laziest of his performances and then warner brothers felt like it underperformed and then they let it lapse and then it was like uh i'm

trying to remember a universal make salvation oh i think warner brothers ended up distributing it but it was through another production company Bought it and they announced like Whole new start it's a trilogy We're making a clean trilogy that's the future war It's the John Connor trilogy And people don't like that And then they're like cool new rights I think that's when the Ellisons bought it

The Ellisons bought it cause then David Ellison finances Genesis Which was originally megan ellison was like anna perna is gonna do a high oh yeah i remember this we're gonna make like terminator has legitimacy we're gonna make a highbrow action film and then she tried to do it for like six months and was like my brother can take it he can fucking make whatever he wants and then they were like we're gonna try to get back to basics like arnold's back we're gonna try to like tie it back in and then they gave him back right the rights

finally she is she is back now she's back in the new one yeah either pictures of her uh being cool aftermath or it's got a generic subtitle end game i said it Arnold's back in it They're all back Except that furlong's not back And then there are a bunch of new Terminators What new actors are in it do we know It's Gad Oh no Megan Trainor

What's her Mackenzie Davis Am I getting her name wrong Yes She's the new female lead She fucking is really exciting because she fucking rules. And she was in the new Blade round. Like, rules and that? She's made for these movies.

Yeah. Holy shit. And then there are, like, a couple actors I'd never heard of who are, like, the other new young leads. But you have, like, gray-haired Sarah Connor and old man Arnold. Sure. Why not? And Cameron's involved for the first time in 20 years yeah

like he's producing it is a term that seems like a poor choice no it's like uh the move three movies ate shit in a row essentially and then they're but they're like one of these and it's only been like two years like that's a crazy thing oh right the pictures of linda hamill with the spiky hair yeah she looks awesome she looks rad yeah okay all right but there was some weird thing where it was like the rights kept on getting it kept changing hands because of companies shutting down it would always be like two guys would like come in with saudi arabian money and be like we've raised 80 million dollars to buy the terminator rights and then like a year

later the movie would have bombed and they'll be in jail and finally there was something related though right after 35 years the rights went all the way back to him wow and so he finally got them back which maybe he knew all he's like yeah i'm just out around i'm running out the clock yeah he do that did he travel back to make this happen it should be also added there is like a decade plus maybe two decades of dark horse terminator comics oh yeah there's all its own continuity there's the row uh this is really fun uh robocop versus terminator comic fan of that written by frank miller drawn by walt simonson where essentially robocop goes back uh or terminator gets somehow robocop yes creates the terminator right at the time there's an endoskeleton in the robocop armor which i own an action figure oh yes will there

be avatar versus terminator no question gotta be has to be right gotta be like it will be called avatar versus terminator it has to go so where what studio has the new movie oh that's a good question because obviously avatar is now disney right so it's not disney but i don't yeah i don't know what he's did fox have does fox have the new terminator jason if so because then it's right there they would have put the terminator on that like montage of what was on their site but they have Alien now

right Disney owns Alien but I don't know I don't think they have Terminator so can a Navi fight a Terminator in the big suit from Alien I guess whoever the distributor of this movie is it seems that James Cameron has the underlying rights that's true all right cameron's

pretty set up at disney good point uh paramount uh pictures 20th century fox international sky dance lassiter country uh light storm and 10 pictures wow light storm i think it's cameron's company everyone's got a taste oh wait distributed by so that's the production company uh and then distribution is paramount pictures in north america walt disney studios internationally everyone's got a taste so they're interesting so i mean we might see disney one of the terminator and in some way and then maybe new theme park attractions down the road oh my god because you have to imagine they're gonna start trying to i mean the big fox franchises plan of the apes and alien and predator disney's gonna start working their magic with those they

did apes fuck oh they have they'll have to do it they'll have to that's one of those legacy franchises franchises i could do anything with there will be, I think I've said this on the show before, when we, it's all said and done, when we're 85 years old, there'll be a hundred different Planet of the Apes movies. Yeah. There'll be 150 Terminator movies. Like, there will be so many of everything we've had. And, like, 5% will be good. Yeah.

We gotta talk about this. This movie apparently involves Arnold Schwarzenegger's 1991 facial likeness being applied through cgi and edward furlong's 1991 facial likeness back okay whoa being put on another actor being put on another actor but jude collie is being credited as john connor what is the subtitle of this movie dark fate dark. No other franchise could be. Chubby Rain. Wow. Dark Fate, huh? That is interesting.

I mean, they've already done de-aged Arnold twice now. That's the other thing with how many failed revivals they've had is Salvation, the one that Arnold isn't in, ends with Christian Baleale fighting a cgi facsimile right of arnold of young arnold right and they like digitally render pumping iron arnold and he has a naked fight with him and he talks about how the pump is like an orgasm right which he does in the movie right and then genesis has both an older Arnold and a younger Arnold. Right. They age him up and age him down. That I feel like I've seen the least of is Genesis.

It's one of those movies that is almost impossible to watch. You just can't focus on it. It's almost impossible to find. It's not a thing I see pop up on streaming services. I don't remember which is which. It's so confusing. If we don't start talking about the 3d thing but the 3d thing that's cool that is one of the best the is it the third best i think

it's it's easily the third there's an argument for being the second best yeah i re-watched the first one uh not too long ago and and had a lot more appreciation for it than i did when i was a kid right because when you're a kid like t2 is just like fucking perfect right and t1 is kind of upsetting yeah because arnold's the bad guy and he it's it's like it feels much more it feels like 30 years of film technology changed yeah between the two movies even though somehow and also arnold became like every kid's favorite movie star and they were like well I guess it's got to be about him hanging out with a kid now. Right.

You know, the first one is like a slasher movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had no in whereas with the night in the 90s, it's now like a like it sits right next to Wayne's World or whatever. Like, yeah. Like cool kids with attitude.

Like the Ninja Turtles, too. They like made it like they like kind of, or Home Alone. They like, those are all like in a similar, like we've got a conduit with characters. All these, like Simpsons and like Wayne's World and Terminator. When I was young and my mom wouldn't let me watch them, I was like, I don't know which one has Icarumba and which one has Hasta La Vista. Like, you know, they all seemed like a similar vein of just like they all say dude right bad attitude leather jacket comedy was parodying them right so like a lot of stuff i learned i learned i saw the parody first totally yeah like step by step

doing a parody of wayne's world oh step by step doing a parody of film noir right there's like a detective episode and i i think i had seen one or two old movies but i was like i like this i also like i got the impression from watching a thousand like cartoon shows do terminator parodies that his catchphrase was i'll be back like that was like the thing he would say every time he shot someone and then you see and he only says it in one of the movies well well the later ones they keep on finding dumb ways to bring it back but it's like it's literally just him saying like cool i'll be back right like oh yeah it's not meant as a catchphrase for sure no no it's just like a cool fucking

moment me having watched terminator 3 in the last 24 hours i'm still reeling from talk to the hand oh you didn't know about talk to the hand i didn't know about talk to the hand oh you didn't know about talk to the hand i didn't know about talk to the wonderful in 2019 what a great voice to hear in 2019 have you seen because this feels like the kind of pop culture ephemera that you would go down a rabbit hole on there is a deleted scene from terminator 3 rise of the machines that i think they didn't even put on the DVD, but they hit it as an Easter egg on the video game. Oh, man. That's deep. Where you see the Cyberdyne conference meeting where they pitch the Terminator for the first time. Oh.

And the guy showing the technology is Arnold Schwarzenegger playing a man named Sergeant Candy. Oh, my God. With a southern accent oh my god and he's like really jovial he's like i'm telling you these terminators are gonna get the job done you won't be able to tell the difference and it's like arnold with this insane like high comedy character and then he like turns off the video and goes so what do you think and everyone's sitting there and then there's this mousy guy At the end of the table in the boardroom And he, in Arnold voiced, dubbed

VO says Change de voice What the fuck? I've never ever heard of this They explain It feels like a fucking mad TV sketch But it was properly shot for the movie Oh my god

And it's on the internet now and it's them trying to explain why the terminator looks and sounds like arnold schwarzenegger whoa needed to be if we did not fill this in right it's mostly like arnold schwarzenegger doing a silly character in a parody of like an industrial film oh my god i'm really upset that we can't just like stop the podcast and watch this right now. I will race to watch this as soon as, Oh boy. Well you, you saved Terminator three for me.

That is the fourth best Terminator film is the deleted Sergeant candy scene. Sergeant, Sergeant, Sergeant candy. I want it. Let me verify this. I'm reporting for duty. That's Jason's,

uh, his name in the military. Didn't we land on Snack Master General? Oh, yeah, yeah. See Everett Scoop? See Everett Scoop. Ice Cream

Gotti. Ice Cream Gotti. Yeah. Confirmation is on YouTube. It is Sergeant Candace. That's so great. But I want to see a scene about why he's named Sergeant Candy. Sergeant William Candy. I need that origin story too.

Yes. He was a candy store. I need his parents. This is what he, it's like him smiling. He looks like a beret. He's got a beret. Jean Claude in Street Fighter. Yes.

He's got like military fatigues and a red beret on. Wow, like Max Fisher. Right. And then this is the guy who has the Arnold voice. Oh my God. yes he's got like military fatigues and a red beret on and wow like max fisher right and then this is the guy who has the arnold voice he's like a mousy looking guy who any one of us could have played whoa and then he says like lose change their voice so that man was then several years down the line in a recording studio saying every syllable and letter of the alphabet so like to form the voice algorithm for the terminator right right right that was the idea b c right right he was like the alexa there's some clickbait article about him you're just down wow the term the guy who did the

terminator's voice now i think one of the reasons why even though they can reset things it always feels weird when they try to revive their franchise is that the first one is about the inevitability of the thing and is more just about the idea of that existing. And two is the movie where he's like, I'm going to fucking cash my check and make the movie about them trying to just stop it. Like straight up stop it. And it ends with such a sense of like accomplishment that every time a new movie starts with like, ah, fuck, we forgot a thing. They outsmarted us. We got to do it again. It feels kind of cheap.

But the thing I like about T2 3D is that it's just kind of like we're really close. We pretty much got it down in the last one. It's not enough to sustain a whole movie. We just need like 10 more minutes. But also the nice thing is it's them going to the future. Yes, that's a new thing. Because you always have your heroes in the present. The Terminator is coming back to them.

And it's kind of fun to see Sarah Connor and John Connor in the fucking future war hellscape. Right. It does the thing that universal rides we've said this to do this way more than disney is expand the universe take you on a new thing yeah and expand the mythology and they like cut corners but in uh productive ways like yeah uh okay you know how they have to be naked uh they're not naked this time who cares right and they go to the future and uh yeah the kids not everyone's? They're not naked this time. Who cares? Right, right, right. They go to the future. And yeah, the kids, everyone's clothed. We're not going to.

Yeah, everyone's clothed. Oh, yeah. That is productive. But like, I mean, the third one, getting through the clothes scene is a real. Oh, my God. And the sparkly glasses. Love it. Love it.

Dear God. And the sparkly glasses. Love it. Love it. Dear God. But it is, it is one of those things where you're like, this movie functions as a pretty solid end. Yeah. Yeah. To what you could then consider the Terminator trilogy. You're like, this has enough of a sense of accomplishment that this could be the last

thing they do in this franchise. And I would feel like this is a proper Canon in universe resolution to this narrative. I am fascinated then about like this new movie is james cameron thinking of t2 3d in the canon that is my hope oh boy because he's because again he says that this is like a bridge to a third movie but are his same ideas because obviously at the time he had ideas for a third movie if you said that so are these his ideas they must they must be said some level right because terminator 3 killed sarah connor because linda hamilton didn't want to do it

without her ex-husband right right and then like salvation doesn't even deal with it and then genesis is like amelia clark as time traveling sarah connor ending up even though she's younger than she was right in our present day and so like he clearly wants to just make like the none of that shit ever happened here's just how Sarah Connor grew old movie which feels like then he would have to sort of accept what happens in battle across time especially since he directed it yeah yeah i think he knows it yeah he helped he signed off on the designs of the mini hunters right it's fine around one million the t1 million so great still looks good like i think that aesthetic of like it's the 3d blob jacks like have aged so much better than like you know Disney's dinosaur

of like it's 3D CGI but we're gonna make it look like real life. The T-1000 coming out of the screen when his head comes forward is just like. Great. And I remember that would always be the thing they'd put in like the Universal Studios ads. Yes. The audience reacting to the thing hitting them in the

seats and it was like, I can't go in that. I haven't seen these movies. It's too scary. It was like the dog on Honey, I Shrunk the Audience. Right. It was the dog or the T-1000.

Or the pie in Muppets. Yes. Those moments are like used in every hotel video, every ad, and they're iconic to me from those. Do we think the T-1 million is in the new silly like the idea that you would go from a thousand to a million yeah and it also is i mean the problem is that he had

one really good idea for a heightened which is what if the guy's liquid and he can turn into anything and they've never figured out how to improve on that yeah because then three they go like she's like both she's got the skeleton and then liquid on top of it and she's uh what benefit does that provide and then the t1 million is just like what if it was a big spider and it's like well that just means it's more of the goo yeah it doesn't feel like a different model it just feels like a larger not able to shift into human form so it's more of the goo. Yeah. It doesn't feel like a different model. It just feels like a larger quantity. And not able to shift into human form. So it's actually missing a power.

Right. Unless it can and we just don't see it and choose to just always spider walk around the place. It should turn into a giant dog. Yes. And come out at the audience. It would be great if it turned from a silver goo spider into like a giant eight-legged freak spider.

It's like I can just move latergged freak spider it's like i can just move laterally to like any like i can do octopus spider wild wild west yes yeah metallic will t1 million be in dark fate i hope i mean that would be great if it were just squished like a bug beneath whatever the t10 million is wait a second kevin spacey cast as the t1 million he needs a comeback vehicle now it's just his voice though so it's okay stab squish swipe uh rare miscalculation by the t800 uh with that uh you know freezing it with liquid nitrogen good shooting the frozen t1 million very bad kind of a miscalculation but gives universal a great reason to sprinkle the audience with water and that classic trick well especially because he's gone

through that whole learning exercise already like t2 at the end is just like okay what temperature is gonna end this guy and he experiments with both that's kind of a rookie mistake to just be like what and then shoot it too i don't know why not different system i don't know there's no way to know for sure but i mean that is like another moment where they have to hit those marks because you have to stand here because the prop gun yeah the lighting effects for the prop gun to match the laser shot on screen only works in these like handful of locations yes the evolution of this thing i also think is interesting because it was they wanted to do a stunt show it was just supposed to replace the cone and Barbarian show in a much smaller venue in Hollywood.

Right. Then the company that hired to develop it went, can we try to make it, can we do a pitch for a 3D experiential show instead? They accepted that. Then they went to Cameron, who I guess didn't have control of the rights, but they were trying to get his blessing. That's the other interesting thing about this is it isn't terminator 3d it's terminator 2 3d like it's specifically an attraction based on the second movie and not the franchise which i feel like is maybe one knock against keeping it there yeah i sort of i feel like the tiny change of it being terminator 3d right but leaves it

open-ended and now we're like it's a franchise that keeps coming back and it could still be relevant and you have all these sequels that negate it also not that anyone likes any of them but then to call it like t2 3d yeah yeah it feels like they literally just should have changed the signage yeah sure though i love i love t2 yeah well not to pimp you into telling this idea mike but this reminds me of an idea you have said before of batman returns to yeah we were talking about this a little bit before the show but yeah like just put a sequel i feel like you've said i said batman forever too yeah as well like uh just why not but But they did it here. I do think as a kid, I was much more aware of T2 because I didn't see these movies when I was a kid. But I was much more aware of T2 and Terminator 2.

And I wasn't even sure that it was a sequel. I feel like a lot of kids didn't see the first one. That was kind of the variance of the T2 thing. Is it like it made it sound like it was its own thing rather than Terminator 2. Yeah, I probably didn't think of it as a sequel. I probably just thought it was its own thing rather than terminator 2 yeah i probably didn't think of it as a sequel i probably just thought it was called terminator 2 or t2 like the film by eventual uh terminator 3 director uh jonathan mosta u571 you just thought it was like a cool i thought it was just a code t2 what does that mean series of things yeah yeah cool but then

the thing that's cool is like they they do their pitch to cameron to try to win him over to get his blessing and the pitch at the time apparently was that it was going to be new characters like it was a 3d you know movie show that was based around the idea of terminators and they were going to create their entirely you know own mythology and character base for the show and then he saw what they pitched and he was like this is good i'm impressed i would like to take over this as long as universal will pay to get the actors back and yeah let's do it like i want to make this an official continuation of the thing he also apparently said you know i was driving over here thinking who the fuck is gonna pitch me ideas on

my thing i was like getting ready to come in here and shoot it all down but i think this is actually pretty good i can make it better right right right right right i mean it it does appeal to his like what was the undersea movie he made not the abyss the abyss yeah like they make a big deal about the computer animation and that yeah and so he was clearly like already like interested in like pushing the boundaries of technology so to be presented with at least the kernel of like it's 3d and there's a live show element and they work in conjunction perfect yeah and you're gonna get a ton of money to essentially experiment with like new storytelling technology um yeah it's really uh interesting to me and then what i think is so funny is that all the pre-show stuff like the movie is like this is like a proper terminator film directed by james cameron

and the pre-show stuff feels like it's out of Total Recall. Like the character of the Cyberdyne employee is like so heightened to this like tour guide Barbie sort of like. Real Paul Verhoeven-y. Right, right. They even make a Total Recall joke when there's like the video showing the Cyberdyne technology, the selling Skynet. They're like, with Skynet, you'll be able to have Total Recall. It's students doing well on a test yeah they will have total recall right and they show that Shaq can like always hit the yeah the Shaq cameo which would get the laugh I feel like you lose it with time a little

but the stereotype that Shaq was bad at free throws yes yeah which they replaced later on with just a generic soccer player making a goal they replaced it before genesis came out like they replaced it when there was only a year left in the life of this it was 2015 right they did everything yeah and they added someone holding an ipad like they got seen it up a little but even when i like i always just justified it as like well this ride takes place in 1995 or 1996, whenever it opened. Right. Especially with the Terminator franchise where you're like, it's all about time travels and alternate paths and things like that. But I just remember like as a kid, not having any familiarity with the Terminator franchise, liking that it was like, oh, fuck.

Like the idea is that this is a bad company and these people are bad. Like I like the person who's doing the pre bad company and these people are bad like i like the person who's doing the pre-show is coded as we should not trust them someone's about to take advantage of us and is lying to our faces i think it all i think the vibe of this you're right that it is to stay the pre-show is distinctly verovany yeah and i also did not grow up having seen i was a real late comer to total recall and to starship troopers and a RoboCop. And I think I was maybe the instant,

instant familiarity and love I had for those movies, discovering them later, probably maybe on some level was like, Oh, it's kind of like T2, 3d, not even just like with the, that,

that satirical edge and the darkness that is even embedded in the, the benign things. Right. Where you're still like, that's still weird to me. But literally the styles. Like, Kimberly Duncan in general kind of looks like Sharon Stone. Like, she is a very 90s character. What do you say, Jason?

That it's just set in 95? Yeah. And don't update it. Like, D2D3D is set in 90s future for sure. Sure. And the creepiness of like you know that video is long then it gets interrupted by you know the connor's hacking the system who have footage from their own adventure yes nicely shot footage going from

the foot pragmatic crushing a skull to quarter cutting uh fine fine we don't care it's great usually make me mad but they've like i've loved it all format wise so much up until that point and that they do really sell the cutting in and the sound going out and the and you like truly the first time you see it you really think there is a problem with the av they sell it really it's not like a fakey hammy shut off until then like Like, are we in? We're in. But I love that, too.

It's all the corniness of it. But it does a great job of summing up those big set pieces of the movie. Right? Like, it worked for me not having seen either Terminator film. I was like, I get this story. I understand the universe, which I didn't know existed. Like, I didn't know there was this much mythology until five seconds ago. And I know enough to be able to engage with this movie emotionally.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I love distilling all of the drama of the first two movies into the line, despite my reservations about this particular model. Like, that's how that's how Sarah sums up her feelings about. Right. He became a father figure to my son uh but then i i do like that i feel like for how many attractions there are that are based on oh the things going wrong uh this and maybe great

movie writer the only two i can think of that like really asks a cast member to sell that yeah it's not just the attraction doing that like someone has to perform because then when she like knocks them off the feed and is like sorry for that little interruption anyway back to the like when she's on the phone and she has to like get your attention with that over the narration still of the pre-show video like you know some like some subtle comedic work of just like you know and against you having just seen you know the like the strong performances of lynda hamilton and edward furlong and shack yeah uh i do love the constant uh uh 3d movie at theme park uh safety goggles yeah sure whoever figured that out first they were

just like we'll just but that's. We'll never improve on that. Finally justified it. Star Tours calls them flight glasses, I think, right? Flight goggles or something. Yeah. And tough to be a bug, they're like bug vision or something. So they always have to make up a funny little cute thing. But this is a perfect, that moment where you put them on right before this like firing squad demonstration is one of the perfect ways to do it. I also just like to not a couple of things before moving about moving from the pre-show.

I, what you, what you're saying about Kimberly Duncan. Absolutely. I think it's a perfect theme park character. Oh, perfect. In that like individual performers can put their stamp on it,

even though there's like the bra it's like it's, it's easily like replaceable. A lot of people can fit into that mold, but you can still make it your own within that. And, you know, there's a tricky thing, I think, in translating this particular franchise to theme park world, which is it is so R rated. It is so violent. And Kimberly, I think your hostess is a perfect way to make it like to get theme park comedy in there yeah to set the talk super kids love saying super and it lets you know she it's a perfect way to like offset the like she's just annoying uh but then and then as it gets much more malicious like oh the you know there's much more to the annoyingness.

She's like such an evil corporate show. And that sort of sense of like, why are we here? Like within the reality of the ride, why are we here? Okay. It's like a showcase. We're about to see a demonstration of a new product. The fact that she like cuts back after the video and it's like, ah, anyway. So, um, back to the presentation, you're like, cool.

I get this character is like a villain. Like this isn't someone just like telling me to turn off my camera, you know? the presentation. You're like, cool, I get this character is like a villain. Like this isn't someone just like telling me to turn off my camera, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the way that you can't unsee the interruption, it's so funny when it cuts back and you don't know what darkness you missed while John and sarah were talking and that they return you pretty quick to like a drone exploding a building to transitioning into a birthday candle being lit a really funny cross cut as if they like if the interruption hadn't occurred they're thinking all right so now we got them now we're like fire turns into fire and people love fire. They love it on a birthday cake. Great. People will buy into this military technology. No problem.

We did our jobs. Well, and the, I don't know if this is like a purposeful shot at Epcot, but the Terminator arms tucking in a child from the other side of the world is like a thing from Spacia Birth, right? Like a mom saying goodnight to a kid isn't in one version i think it's from a screen though right you don't have the robot arm like that screen but it's like it's the same genre of like mom's on an international business trip like she always does right and she's wishing her child good night yeah the pre-show there's a very creepy robot hand that

like just gently massages a child it's very creepy selling point is like you'll never have to miss a bedtime you'll never miss a game you'll never miss a sunset the doctor performing the surgery oh well on the beach watching the sunset all that stuff like it was just like like oh there's this like actual satire yeah you know like pretty pointed like satire at like well even culture you are going into the miles bennett dyson the guy who dies a gruesome death to stop a thing that he has inadvertently put into motion in t2 uh that they this corporate monstrosity named it after like whitewashed what happened and named the auditorium after him right which is like he died trying to prevent that very thing yeah yeah i hate to compare it to honey i shrunk the audience but we were talking like on that

episode about just like the setup is very poor and like what is this award it's everything house on a day where there's an award show right an open house and like just seeing and going back through this ride and like in the video even just the cue it's like this thing sets this thing it's like there's so much setup you're so primed and ready for this you're in the world you got the tone ready in your head by the time you walk into the theater. And Honey, I Shrunk the audience is just like, throw you in there. Just throw some words at him. Fine.

He flies out at you. Like this thing is so much work put into just like getting you in the spirit and the mood of it. And it's crazy just seeing two similarly released at this around the same time. 3D shows from movies obviously terminator of a bit higher quality than the honey i think i think it's not just the franchise also it's the involvement of cameron and that you did have one strong person who like was the voice over the franchise at that point yeah yeah um i think it's akin to back to the Future for me in terms of like exposition city. But I love it.

Yeah. Give me. You are making the exposition. So from my favorite stuff and conveying all of these gigantic ideas, but trying to do it in a poppy way that still has good performances. And it's so neat. I like doing the get to do these episodes where you're just like, we don't know. We're not shitting on, on snow.

We're just earnestly praising. It's such a, such a big question. Is Kimberly Duncan going to be in dark face? Please. Yes, she should be. Let's go to the miles.

I mean, T1 million. Yeah. The Memorial center. I hope like a dark fate has them like going to like, I hear the remains of the dyson memorial center like it's like jurassic world when they find the banner that like 30 minutes of the movie in the middle are just about t2 3d i mean i think there's meat on that bone

and i i love that like all right so what do we, for in T2, what do we know about Cyberdyne? Like, there's no, like, public facing arm of it, really. There's this scary office building. And it probably just, probably most people just haven't heard of Cyberdyne. You see Dyson and you see, like, security guards. It's not like the CEO of Cyberdyne is, like, a character. Right. No, it's not Theranos.

Right, right. Yes. This thing is, this all precedes the world we're in now we're supposed to think all of these tech ceos are cool well our and like we live in los angeles where just a couple days ago our fucking mayor on his twitter account was like the future of transit is now in partnership with lyft and it's like motherfucker make more buses and trains and shit what are you talking about the future is with lyft and it's like, motherfucker, make more buses and trains and shit. What are you talking about? The future is with Lyft.

And he had a whole ad in front of him. He had a whole giant pink Lyft background. Like, this guy who barely spends any time in the fucking city, he's bringing these shitty Olympics that no one wants. No one wants. It's interfering with the expansion of Universal Studios as far as I'm concerned. They're going to have to

build sets for and build like places for people to swim yeah it is crazy like watching this just like how uh much cameron hit the nail on the head with like just the basic dna of the terminator thing yeah or even like how drone heavy this movie is oh yeah and that whole like cyberdyne like selling the value of skynet thing i'm like this is pretty similar to what everyone's doing right now where it's like i'll give up all my data if you can make it a little easier for me to do this if i can facetime my kid rather than having to be there you know they explain yeah they explain how like it's you know

how it just like it's just in your computer already we do the work for you you just have to like consent like that's the whole thing it's just like just say yes click right give us permission it is like that david bowie clip where he's talking about the internet we've seen that oh yeah he talks about content coming through the internet yeah there's like a clip of him in like 99 and he's doing an interview with somebody and he's talking about like the internet being like you guys no one has any idea how crazy this is going to disrupt everyone our lives and uh the interview is like but you guys, no one has any idea how crazy this is going to disrupt everyone. This is going to change our lives.

And the interviewer's like, but isn't it just an information delivery service? He's like, oh no, oh no, you have no clue how this is going to change the world. And the guy's like, all right. And it's like David Bowie knows. Does he think it's good or bad? Both. He says both. He goes, it's going to be very good.

And he goes, it's going to be very bad as well. There's a David Byrne quote from an interview from like 25 years ago where he says like, you know, I think in the future, like the thing that everyone's going to prioritize is like ease of access. And our currency is going to be our personal information. Like that's going to be what's valuable, our data. And we're going to give that up in exchange for access and they were like are you worried about this he's like i don't know i mean like life will be easier but that's the price we're going to pay is that everyone's going to know everything about us we're going to give that to the companies in order to get things faster he called on that it's like it's so specific

fuck is he the one there was that interview with Bob Seger where he was talking about PlayStation 4 and... Oh, no. He's like, Louie's almost going to make it to the Five Timers Club. Is David Byrne the one who's always riding his bike in Manhattan? Yes. Okay, great. Yes. I feel like I always see these pictures and I'm like, that's David Byrne, right?

Yeah. He's a big bike man. Yeah. So he's sticking to the past oh and in terms of his transit yes choices yes we all should maybe uh what else in the two quick other things in the tv show big laugh every time uh grandmother can choose between 5 000 channels and if she can't choose the tv chooses it for a clip of murder she wrote that's gonna happen i think it might happen uh i also want to say i

don't want to overlook the uh the voice of jim cummings who is the narrator of this he comes up every once in a while yeah that's jim cummings uh who plays all of these scary people and for disney he's the the voice of pete and he's the singing voice of, uh, no, not Jeremy Irons is a lot of scar, but when it gets to be too high of notes, it becomes Jim Cummings. Uh, uh, he's Darkwing Duck.

He's Darkwing Duck. He's, uh, I looked up these multiple characters on the original tick cartoon. Oh yes, yes, yes. I'm forgetting who he plays exactly,

but he's one of the guys who's, uh, in that rotation. Yeah. That adds up. And then also, maybe, maybe. Yeah. But then he's And then also... Buttery Pat, maybe? Maybe.

Yeah. But then he's Winnie the Pooh and he's Tigger too. But he like, I also remember him narrate, the same voice narrated the MTV Movie Awards a lot of years. Just the killer voice. And like really, I don't know, you might think that just any like benign, scary narration might work in that pre-show and maybe it could but i think it's

an especially good one i guess it's i don't know if you folks have seen christopher robin oh i did his performance in that is fucking five stars really and it's one of those things we were like this guy's been doing poo for like 25 years he's probably got his presets they come in we need to do a honey nut cheerios commercial you know and it was like this guy clearly like read the material and was like okay this calls for a different type of poo a very depressed right but it's like it's like a very like heartfelt like emotionally like sort of rounded performance well and cool to give it to the person who's lived with it for a long time to like do their ultimate performance rather than like it's like unforgiven yeah it's not like it's not ryan reynolds suddenly doing poo yeah detective poo no but that's like

it speaks to the fact that like why have jim cummings do this and it's like because the dude's a good actor like it's not just that he has like a lot of voices right he's like very good at delivering things and matching the tone of whatever project did you guys hear who was considered for the voice of pikachu in uh detective pikachu i saw a long list uh danny devito was one of them i saw that yeah i mean that would have just been they just the life they cut it together they like did that thing where they were like we auditioned actors by like picking clips from their live action films and animating Pikachu to them. And I think they said that the DeVito one was a little upsetting. It sounds great to me.

There's a short video going around the internet where I guess Danny DeVito and Lil Xan were on the same plate. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, Lil Xan like turns his phone to Danny DeVito. Danny DeVito like le DeVito leans into frame and goes like, Zanarki, bitch. It's so funny. He's so game to play ball.

He just nails it. You can just hear tons of people just laughing in the background. She is like 75 years old and out of his mind. Having the time of his life. Yeah, yeah. Put him back in the penguin suit. Put him back in. That guy has had such an incredible career.

Incredible. When you think about how specific he is and what insane range of stuff that he's gotten to do. Him and Christopher Lloyd are both on Taxi and then both of them just have an insane body of work. Right. That goes all over the place. Greatest films.

The greatest films. Obviously, Christopher Light, even more variation maybe in his roles, but just the two of them. But then even, I've been watching a lot of Taxi recently and going like, geez, someone needs to give Christopher Lloyd a good role today. Of course. And you look through and he's not worked much in the last

12 years and DeVito is having this huge like fourth wind in his career. Yeah, like the thing, the most recent thing I've seen Christopher Lloyd do is that Jimmy Kimmel bit with Michael J. Fox. Yeah, he did Stacked.

The Pamela Anderson poster. That's what I'm saying. That was like his last like prominent role. We all know from Stacked. He's in Fly Me to the Moon. Anderson that's what I'm saying that was like his last like prominent no stacked it's just old from stacked yeah yeah he's in fly me to the moon remember oh yeah I'm looking about the flies that go to the moon another great 3d film yeah um something okay I feel like now we are moving from the pre-show into the main auditorium. And OK, so you're watching this propaganda video.

John and Sarah Connor interrupted and tell you, by the way, also very scary when they say you have five minutes to get out of it. It's not just generally get out. They give you a time. That's super scary. But you return to the main video. You've been watching all this frothy propaganda that's gotten more dark as it goes. Then you're introduced to these killer warrior robots who are not really named. You don't find out about them, but you zoom into their eyes.

It gets a little scary. You go into the auditorium, and that's apparently what you're there for, is for a weapons demonstration. They're the T-70s. Yes. They're supposed to be the model like right before the arnold model and apparently bulkier that was a camera no the universal wanted it to be a bunch of arnold's yeah and he said well where are we on the timeline because arnold is from 2029

and we are right we are in what 96 right now so we have to be a couple generations right cool that's the thing you don't get unless it's the literal man uh doing the behind the franchise one of the most exacting demanding monsters in filmmaking history it pays off here for sure you can't argue it pays off everywhere that's problem. He's having people throw lights into the water on the Titanic and the movie comes out perfect. But they're also, I mean, the problem is like, you know, I feel like we've all heard stories about people who are that demanding assholes and then you see the thing they made and you're like, all for that? Right.

More often than not. And James Cameron, every time you're like, this sounds like a dumb idea. I don't accept this behavior. Where does he get off? And then you watch it time you're like, this sounds like a dumb idea. I don't accept this behavior. Where does he get off? And then you watch it and you're like, son of a bitch. And it's the highest grossing film of all time. Always. No matter what it is.

And he'll do it again, seemingly. It is crazy that four separate times in the last 20 years, he has made the highest budgeted film of all time. Like, he's the guy who keeps on setting the new bar of like what was the t2 was then supplanted by true lies true lies somehow cost more than t2 is that good is true lies good yes yes i don't think oh i haven't seen it i think it's really i gotta watch oh i'm pro i like it i i think it's a weird movie about the fear of getting cocked i think it's a weird movie about the fear of getting cocked. I think it's a real cuck thriller. I haven't thought of it that way. Yeah.

Maybe I like it more. I'd download it right now. Oh, Jason's in. Fear? Jason left. Sounds like fun. It's also, when he does that, it's not like, it's not the same franchise either. It's not like George Lucas.

Okay, Phantom Menace, of course, people were so rabid for it. And it's not like it's not the same franchise either it's not like george lucas okay phantom menace of course people were so rabid for it and it's got all that built in it's a do new stuff every time it would make sense if coming off of terminator 2 he was like cool i want more for terminator 3 yeah right he's like i want more to do another arnold schwarzenegger movie with tom arnold comedy right where bill paxton's trying to cook him those are both tom arnold bill paxton both really funny yeah yeah it's shot yes there's rules in it yeah absolutely it's like a remake of a french farce that like wasn't an action movie oh he like took like a french comedy and was like can i make this 150 million dollar action film he's been talking about the sequel for that at a certain point too million dollar action film he's been talking about the

sequel for that at a certain point too i don't think he's been said in years but tom arnold kept on saying they were really close to doing it and that it got uh killed by 9-11 he tom arnold also on howard's turn said that sarah huckabee sanders had a glass eye and they kept going like wait what she does and then he's and they like, oh, no, she doesn't. And he's like, oh, I must have misheard, I guess. So he'll let these things go and have challenged even slightly. Yeah, he's like, oh, I must have misheard. But it was like 10 minutes of him going, yeah, she's got a glass eye.

You didn't know that? She's got a glass eye. Maybe we shouldn't have accepted Tom Arnold being the Woodward and Bernstein of the Trump administration. Just weird rebranding as like... Yeah, he was married to Roseanne for a little while there. Maybe they had some things in common. They both shot off a little too quickly. Wildly different paths.

Very different people now. I think True Lies is a wonderfully shot film. That's one of the things about it. I would agree with that. I don't know what the French farce looked like, but to take a smaller story and shoot it on that scale, incredible. The DP, Russell Carpenter, who shot this as well, T2 3D, he became James Cameron's primary DP,

having shot Titanic, two and three supposedly the seed one this the seed bearer the seed for a visa rise to rise of the seed bearer Ant Man he shot as well and before all of this lawnmower man that's a good I agree it does feel like you watch this the you know core film itself in the middle of the attraction. And you're like, this feels so much more sophisticated than most theme park movies. Because this is not a theme park director. And there's just like, not even just the technology, but like the editing rhythms.

And like the shot blocking, like he has like the same kind of like the way he builds the action moments or the jokes feels like a movie and not a theme park attraction. You know? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like the stuff that's like pointed out at the audience, a little gimmicky because it has to be. But all of a sudden it just cuts to a perfectly cool looking james cameron movie right and like if you just saw that scene you'd be like oh is this a from the this must have been from one of the movies right yeah like because you know what a theme park 3d movie looks like it doesn't look like that yeah when they get inside of skynet that becomes much more of like a theme park right and i think like universal creative may have had more sure shooting that

than cameron well suppose what i looked up i think this is this book i keep consulting disney versus universal by sam genoway genoway everyone i want to get it right um according to that james cameron directed the movie until the parking garage. At some point in the parking garage, perhaps when the mini hunters start flying around and that's that's more of a CG in your face kind of show that becomes more Stan Winston. And then and then the visual effects artist John Bruno takes over entirely when we go inside Skynet. But that main sort of like, uh, future war,

uh, motorcycle chase just feels like fucking a classic James Cameron action set piece. Full on. And you, it's hard to say what's better. Is it the motorcycle driving away from the gigantic explode? What a fucking crazy explosion. Or is it just like there's a moment of Edward Furlong getting out from behind a pylon and the dust is so crisp. Yeah.

And it just blows away in that cool, very accounted for james cameron slow motion and it's all got that that awesome blue patina that i swear is like half the reason i didn't like t3 not this but terminator 3 it's not blue just make it blue and all i'm on but why would they change it to no it's shot in the same way they'd shoot like shallow howl there's just no aesthetic choice. Just like early 2000s, nothing. This does, you know, you were talking about what you view as the comedic missteps of Terminator 3. What I view as several of the greatest jokes of all time, such as talk to the hand. This does have in a franchise that as it's gone on and become cumbersome has very questionable approaches to comedy. I think the weirdest joke in terms of the inner logic of the universe of any of the Terminator movies, which is he was my college roommate. Let's explain this from the get go or from the ground up.

It's a, uh, he is fighting. It's the, it's the, the skeleton, the end of skeleton, uh, uh, not with the skin

blast him the probably the weirdest effect in the movie yeah is the like hit the perspective of his head shooting up staring at you for a second and then falling back down probably the cheesiest thing yeah that's the cheapest in every universal ad so i'm fond of it for yeah dreaming you also have arnold uh using a shotgun to home run a drone i also into the audience exclusive to these terminator is is i i apparently shows up in the original true grit with john wayne cocking a shotgun like that, doing the twirl, which if you're wondering, are there gun weirdos on YouTube who will teach you how to do that? Yes,

there are. And what it is, is you use your, your ring finger and your pinky finger to spin it around. And then you catch it. You essentially catch your gun. Wow. One hand.

And that is, but it's something I associate so strongly with T2. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks cool as hell. But yeah. So then he, yeah, he blows up his double essentially. And then friend of yours, he was my college roommate.

So if we pick it apart. Right. Yeah. You think it's just a joke Right. You think it's just a joke. But then even that reality is very strange because you go in Terminator 2 John Connor has to spend so much time explaining lingo to him and things. But he's picked it up now

because this is after T2. That's a pretty sophisticated joke though. I mean that's true. There's nuance to sort of like the inner logic of what he's setting up comedically when once like john connor teaches him stuff he knows how to apply it but he tends to just repeat the same couple of okay a thumbs up i know that's in my vocabulary talk to the hand he just heard it and he says it obviously right so you're you're suggesting that he's either had a major firmware

upgrade where now he can like do punch up you know sure he's got like a valance patch that allows him to like work up little bon mots and constantly taking his computer chip out of his skull in t2 that was some of the connecting stuff where i was like yeah oh this isn't in the montages from the universal ride the removing the chip from the skull right so at one point it got inserted into something with the the lowell gans babaloo mandel it's like you go either uh you know less likely is the is, truly in this world when they build a humanoid robot, they make them go through the trials of actual humanity before they can retire to having a career as a cyber killer. They must attend university and learn how to be a man. Are you going to the welcome barbecue on the quad?

It seems kind of lame, but I do have to eat. How to be a functional member of society you have to network the dining halls are closed because all the food workers are at the quad barbecue so i guess i'll go down there but what i find fascinating is that the alternate implication is arnold understands how absurd that idea would be that he makes the joke because he gets how weird it would be for robots to have to go to college which feels like the kind of joke he wouldn't know how to make yeah all right how about this maybe this is actually what you're saying what if whatever

the version of their college is they go through they have to all go in a class together it's a calibration they also be tested at the same time right. But Arnold knows that it would be too long and a boring explanation. So he just makes it, what's the version of that for this human? College. College. The shorthand. The shorthand. It's college.

And then it's like a joke, but also it's true. They did do some sort of training or they did some sort of testing together. Yeah. I mean, look, you can break apart. You can do a full episode just on that. We will. We're still doing it. It always gets a laugh.

I'll say that joke always got a laugh. But my favorite thing was when they're on the motorcycle and they're being chased by the hunter killer. And John Connor keeps going, go left, go right, go left. And Arnold says, John, please stop helping. Like, I think that's a great line that always gotta laugh too that's the dynamic yeah that sums it up that's the thing he's usually kind of straight man you're right so i don't will when we have james cameron on the show

also we'll ask him because now at this point exclusively about about the theme park rides no no no no about the line all right all right yeah okay that's true we have to have him on at least one for that and then one for each line and all of his rides i guess it would be cool down you know if disney doesn't want to work terminator into the parks if they let him make an attraction like this for the world of pandora you know i just think this is such an interesting format right stunt show meets film yeah and to get a little original james cameron short film yeah i mean hopefully after i mean the second the seed whatever the seed bearer is going to be a monster hit but i think if as long as we know it's going to be that and it's going to for sure deliver then we will get more so maybe at that point because maybe the way of water or tolkien rider

or the quest for awa maybe one of those where those i'm worried it's not going to really hit its stride until quest for awa that feels like that's the last one i think cruising altitude quest that sounds like a title that that regular audiences are psyched on e y w a you guys gonna see quest for a one yeah i'm going to see quest for a while do you want to go to buffalo wild wings after yeah i want to go to buffalo wow it's any wing wednesday bro nice have you seen uh qp qfe it's not even a nice abbreviation. A5QFE. A5QFE. But maybe Terminator is in that one.

The quest for A5. And that's like a whole thing. It's a secret. There was the rumor when he was working on the sequels that Arnold was going to be the villain. Oh yeah, I remember that. And then they announced it's like, no, it's Stephen Lang is back as like the cyborg version of his character who died. Oh, that's why he's back.

That's my guess. They haven't officially said that. Well, but Sigourney Weaver's back as a different character, too. But they said that they in the announcement said it is like Colonel Corvich or whatever his name is. Yeah. He's back as the Darth Vader of the franchise. Boy, that's this that people it's much commented on. Nobody can name characters From Avatar

But Colonel Corbidge I think I might be Within five letters Of getting that name correct It's closer than Anyone else has ever gotten So I

Hats off to you It seems like James Cameron's Bringing back an old I Love Lucy Old TV thing Where you would recap You would just have

The same actor come in And play a different character A couple episodes later Frank Nelson come on And he was a Department store employee or he was working at the deli or something blessing for an actor to get more work are you kidding we'll do that where someone be a perp and then there'll be a judge sure by the way i just want to pull out uh i think norm spellman is the name of the uh the tall lanky uh friend and i i believe trudy Talcone is the Michelle Rodriguez character. Once again, I think I'm within five letters of

getting these names right. That's pretty good. The one I really want in Quest for Awa though is Sergeant Candy. Sergeant Candy. I'm not going to be happy until Sergeant Candy rolls around. If Arnold's the villain. Dr. Grace Augustine. I know you've learned a lot of the Navi language.

I for some reason remember all the human character names Yeah Dr. Grace Augustine is right Okay Wow Michelle Rodriguez is Trudy something Trudy Chacon I said Talcon

What are the names of the Navi? I really should know this I'm going to cut this out to make it sound like I know. I'm just going to edit. When you guys are going, I will edit in me saying, oh, well, the names of the Navi are, and then I'll say them. Natiri? No one sounds familiar to me.

Yeah, that's right. Moat? Yep, that's right, too. Is there like a two-save? Taruk. Taruk is one of the banshees. Yes, right. Atuk. Taruk is one of the banshees. Yes, right.

A-Tukan? Yeah. A-Tukan? I think he's the chief. E-Y-T-U-K-A-N? Yeah. There's also Private Fike. Who's Private Fike?

Sean Anthony Brown. I mean, I knew that, butanni's i'm testing you guys now don't say rabisi because i want to see if i can pull it yeah go for it i know it but yeah you did get norm spellman i did get norm spellman yeah wow that's a bit i had a lot riding on norm spellman well you try to think of okay bc's character mike do you don't know the language well enough to be able to Name this segment Like test your knowledge The ultimate quiz

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What else can we do here Miles Quidditch Quartich Steven Lang's character Miles Quidditch Quidditch Quartich Steven Lang's character Miles again I think I was close to that name

Wow Quartich I think it's Quartich Miles again another name Use Miles again Hey Let me do another Let me get back to terminator but still about to begin but still call it civico uh uh can anyone civico and tell me who

performed at the opening ceremony of uh t2 3d opening at universal hollywood uh like an actor a musical musical performance and it's 96 90 would have been 99 99 okay for hollywood so who would have been i think here's a hint 99 tells you nothing really oh so people would have been on the vine for a little while it is okay i'll keep i'll keep hinting it over that uh it is a song maybe the only song affiliated with the franchise well wouldn't been guns and roses uh bad to the bone you got it really what's his name i i don't know if i've ever known that answer does nobody know the name oh it's right there is it a band or is it a guy it's a guy with a band but his name's in the and it's not late uh miles stone ridge what was his name

no i did know that yeah this is a recognizable name well ge, George Thurgood. George Thurgood. That's embarrassing. Good, ironically, in the name of the ultimate badster. Well, you kind of Civico'd, Jason. You have Civico'd. With the help of technology. Oh, wait, yeah. Did you?

Oh, no, I got the end of the bone. I didn't pull George Thurgood. Yeah, credit where credit's due. We're going to lose listeners in the south on that one On that folly of mine Okay so I mean we've jumped around the movie A little bit but we okay you put on your Safety glasses there is a demonstration

Of the T-70s They blast the shit out of some targets They make you feel like there is live Gunfire I mean it's a pretty good simulation of yeah the theater in general the tech for this thing i saw a stat that was like 66 speakers i saw another stat that was like 159 speakers wow the sound is crazy yeah and they really because that you know it's all those those metallic things swiping at you. It's the end.

I kind of like, aren't they like stereo moving around the voices of the actors? Because you're listening to the real voices of Arnold and Linda Houghton and Edward Furlong. People are miming, like opening their mouth. Yeah. And it's not perfect. How could it be perfect? That's a little bit of like a theme park trope But does it happen in things besides this

Well they have recorded voices on Maybe in some shows Indiana Jones stunt show they have like recorded stuff It's not always live But it's not Harrison Ford Arnold that's really a step up Harrison Ford is not Indiana Jones In anywhere in the Disney

Parks but this is Arnold And he is the Terminator Crazy that there is no harrison ford is not indiana jones in anywhere in the disney parks right but this is arnold and he is the terminator crazy yeah it's crazy i mean they need yeah they need those pre-recorded lines so people can hit their exact marks so they don't exactly get shot by blanks or something insane and that's a thing in foot in footage like get it watching james cameron on the mock-up stage directing it like exactly like he is the movie and going you gotta mark this thing up this should be marked up like a dance studio they gotta get exactly here we can't be half-assed about this and you know how there's that footage that that's filmed of like you know there's like fake footage of tom hanks recording

his toy story voice but you know he like did it without cameras and they brought him in for a press day he looked like shit when he went in there that first day and he didn't have the voice right benefit of voice acting that he should be allowed to look like shit and not have a bunch of lights like probably bugs you while you're doing a vo but like james cameron clearly like this is not like contrived footage because he is in all the behind the scenes he is being a dick and i would expect no less that's what you want out of it there is a documentary i love that i think it's called uh i always get the title wrong because it's a bunch of nothing words but it's like uh james cameron's deep sea challenge 3d and it's a documentary where he hired a crew

to make a documentary and he gave them final cut and the thing makes him look really bad. Wow. But it's a three documentary about him trying to go deeper than anyone has ever gone in the ocean. Man. And a lot of it. You got the title 100% on that one. Really? Yes. James Cameron's

Deep Sea Challenge 3D. And brought to you by Rolex. Yes. A beautiful National Geographic Ocean challenge 3d brought to you by rolex yes a beautiful national geographic a lot of this documentary is uh 3d uh really well i mean shot in 3d well rendered 3d uh talking head interviews of james cam james Susie Amos, going like, I don't know. I mean, you know, I wish he was happy enough just being at home with us. Oh, no.

But if he needs to go to the bottom of the sea and risk dying to prove himself, I guess that's the man I married. Oh, my God. And it's like, it's just him yelling at people that they haven't built the capsule well enough. Is it like that Ginger Baker documentary where he's like it's just him yelling at people that they haven't built the capsule well enough. Is it like that Ginger Baker documentary where he's like screaming?

Right. Like, oh my God, this guy. Right. It sort of feels like the Buddy Ridge tapes or something. Except he allowed people to film it in 3D and his wife is just kind of like, yeah, well, that's my husband. And that part's in 3D too? Yes. All of it's in 3D.

That was a sad interview in 3D. James Cameron's marital problems rendered in perfect 3D. Eye-pop in 3D too? Yes, all of it's in 3D. That throws a whole set of interview in 3D. James Cameron's marital problems rendered in perfect 3D. Eye-popping 3D. James Cameron's marital challenge. 3D. I mean, she's complaining about the difficulties of being married to a perfectionist while playing paddleboard towards the camera. Sure.

Right. Operating a remote control pie machine. Yes, of course. Oh my God. operating a remote control pie machine yes of course uh oh my god um this is the this the ride or the show i did not see it as a child uh which i always think of the ninja turtles coming out of their shells show which i saw as a child and when they i this is going back a little bit but uh when they say you five minutes they give you that five minutes. I would have lost my mind. I don't know. I was so scared that Shredder locked the doors on me. He goes, you're not getting out of here.

I've locked the doors. And I was really scared. But he's really shredding those CDs in his music destroying machine. Yes, he is. But there was no. He didn't shoot a gun. The Spitzholders didn't have guns. They were like firing rounds off

in the theater. The stakes are very high in this attraction. Because they're like, we're trying to prevent the end of humanity. Like, it's not even just like you folks are going to get directly in the line of fire. It's like civilization might

be done. Right. Like, Shredder was threatening to destroy music, but I was like, fuck that. Get me out of here. I can live without music. I don't care. I just want to not die. Let him have it. Yeah.

But this one, I would have had to stay. As we're saying this, I'm having the realization that, you know, we talked about earlier our current dystopian hell. We've done a full 180 from this movie because as a kid i was like okay with going into the auditorium because i like oh i know the connors are the good guys but now in 2019 survivalist off the grid maniacs are like q anon people yeah uh they are the bad guys and also the corporation is still the bad guys so there are no good guys there's that weird part in the pre-show where they uh hack into the feed to sell their brain pills

yes they did i was curious why they were selling gorilla mind at the exit in 2017 right as it was closing down well that's a joke but they were selling when i was there in 2017 the gift shop was very little terminator a lot of uh justice league and suicide squad merchandise and dc comics like individual dc comics despite the fact that marvel comics are being sold like a quarter mile away it was was very bizarre. Strange. That's very strange. Did anybody make it to the Cyber Grill? No. That was the attached restaurant. There was an attached restaurant?

In Hollywood. I did not know. It's where the... Great name. Is it where the Playland, the Minions, because this was replaced by the Minions ride. The Funland. The Funland. Is that where the Funland was? Yeah, that's now like a Gru Cafe. Yes. Oh, it is. Oh, it is. Okay, that's on the other was? Yeah. That's now like a Gru Cafe. Yes.

Oh, it is. Oh, it is. Okay. That's on the other side then. I think it's the Gru Cafe. Yeah. Yeah. It says Cyber Grill in a scary logo that looks cool.

But then under that, just like pizza, burgers, and sandwiches. Of course. And they are not specified. Right. But then in Orlando, it still has not been replaced by something, right? That's where the rumor Jason Bourne thing would be. That's what past guest Matt Rogers said, scooped and said. We've heard that elsewhere. Corroborated a bunch of places.

It feels like a very weird time to do that. It feels like maybe it's not going to happen. That's my sense now because it's been so long. I'm sure that was a plan at one point. Are you saying it Fell apart Ooh baby It fell apart No one else Remembers the movie song

That plays at the end Of every Jason Bourne movie Just me No You were the biggest Bourne head of all of I remember I like those movies

Yeah And you were born to be wild Yes I was born for Bourne Yeah I Look I did not know the Mby song that played in the credits of the born movies i'm so sorry uh and it's been two straight hours of deep references and you you stumped us i also like a code to stump us i was already like oh kind of like upset with

myself for not knowing the avatar characters and then you said that and i was like looking at scott like oh please don't know this please you everyone else don't know what jason's talking about you something do you want to read it what what are you talking about i i love you well that's just oh wait no no that was saying that before uh it's oh i yeah it's it's uh i see It's I see you in Navi. Ol Nagate Kame. Yeah, it doesn't really roll off the tongue like Civaco does. Yeah, Civaco makes a lot of sense. Aside from it not being perhaps the peak moment of Jason Bourne's cultural relevancy, it also just feels like, I ride systems but at least they replaced

like t2 with like minions which is also like screen based and takes place in a similar kind of structure to like tear that down and just turn it into like a stunt theater unless do we know it doesn't have a screen component i don't know like that'd be my hope but it's like but what is the screen component right is it going to be Matt Damon shooting new footage that people interact with? Is it going to be a stunt show where Indiana Jones, someone is pretending to be Jason Bourne?

The fights are good in those movies, but it doesn't kind of have the same sort of iconography as a whip and a hat and a relic. Jason is, of course, fuming as you say this. Also, I'm mad I didn't realize it's a relic jason is of course i'm fuming as you say this also i'm mad i didn't realize it's actually it's extreme ways not separate ways extreme ways this journey separate yeah but man i'm what would you blue is the biggest born head what would you say your blue

sky for a born like stunt show is like because i don't know what i would want to see from that you would want like born to me the fun of it is like handheld you're behind him as he's jumping across buildings or something but how do you capture that sure i think uh okay uh i think i can do this i think you are all the audience is uh potential treadstone recruits. They've reactivated Treadstone. Treadstone is the secret CIA program to make the super soldiers. I've seen like two and a half, one and a half. Did anyone else know Treadstone? I have only seen the Jeremy Renner one because I thought it was a

clean entry point. I was like, oh, new guy. It's going to be easy to get. Then the whole movie is them watching security security footage from the original film i can't remember i don't think i've told this story but i gave my um stepdad that for christmas one year having not seen it myself yeah and uh thinking like well he's got all the other board movies he'll like this complete the set um and and we're he's like oh why don't we watch this it's like after it's christmas day after dinner and we put it in he immediately divorced your mother it is so long it's so not great and he uh very reserved man stood up and went

well that wasn't very good oh no out of the room it is genuinely like a lot of jeremy renner being like let me find the video and then he watches like a cell phone video of stuff from the first three movies yeah i haven't seen that one wait jason you were so you're in the middle of oh yeah so the audience to be true to get trent sted? Did you say Trentstone? What was it? I like Trentstone though. I don't fuck if I know. Treadstone?

Why would Trentstone be that much worse? Avian award winner Trentstone. I think you are being recruited to be new. Treadstone experiments, recruits, what have you. And the stuff, you can,

non-Determinator stuff starts to go wrong. Maybe Jason Bourne can hack into the footage and they get you into the auditorium. And it's all CIA people in business, you know, formal where uh shredding documents and stuff like we got to get out of here boards on his way and then he it's it's hard because you want to keep throwing guys at him because they'll need to fight like regular goons but then he has to fight like um like the clive ow other Treadstone guys. There's always one or two other guys like him who have the enhanced reflexes.

And then he finally has to fight the head of it, Trent himself. Trent Stone. And constantly scream, who am I? Because we still kind of don't know who he is, but we kind of do. He's had a few names, I feel like. Do you like these movies so much because he has your name oh jason yeah that was why i liked the red power ranger growing up so maybe all right we solved it yeah got it ethan hunt just doesn't have my name

something about him something unrelatable about that yet another movie i don't have my care for it it is kind of like hard to talk about the main body of the t2 uh 3d attraction because it's like just well done you know yeah i know i don't have a lot of notes Except that it's like My notes say Best theme park 3D movie? And then serious guns And The incredible sound Very non-specific notes

It's just very good Serious guns though you gotta admit Serious guns Real explosions that they were setting off Not all just like fake. I was interested. The motorcycle wasn't like it was in the ground. It wasn't

you couldn't go anywhere with it. It was on a track. It was on a track. That's what I meant to say. You can't see it at all though. No. I found this because it was I looked on the website and I found an interview with one of the guys who played Arnold. And the interview is boring. But what I like is that when I open my computer up here,

although it's connected to the recorder, so I shouldn't, the man looks like a young G Gordon Liddy, that jacked young G Gordon Liddy. Behind the scenes. I love Arnold. They had a couple minutes to shoot arnold talking about this and him just he's in a chair in a t-shirt uh and he says ha ha ha we are back again with the terminator t2

3d and he is holding a half finished cigar the whole i won't put the stogie down peak arnold's prime i the quote i down was, he's taking your head off. I mean, you see that promo footage. I got to know what that means. He also seems like he had to be convinced. He's like, I didn't want to necessarily do this, but then James Cameron and he's great. He talks about being talked into it, I feel like. And he kind of says, where is this place where are we in the california desert why are we i'm doing triumph more so uh uh

but like uh and which that's the thing about it the they filmed at a weird abandoned iron mine yeah in the middle of nowhere and kind of like way like further out from joshua tree uh frequent movie location it seems like but potentially like a toxic play i think it's like embattled the residents want to do something with it it's just decaying and a great post-apocalyptic location they had to film their two weeks almost entirely night show well oh yes entirely night shoots for sure um yeah crazy production yeah i like there's in that in that i think that's in the same like uh behind the scenes where james cameron's talking about like 3d and he's like you know you don't want to do that like those cheap effects or whatever you

know you really want to just like i think the the trick is to really just good filmmaking with 3d like he he lays it out but then he's like but you also want like a few of those tricks which you get so that you can see there's a good balance john the t1000 head poking out but that's cool the tricks are cool they're just like millions they're a little sillier the mini hunters give you a lot that's some fun like um that like i think i think it holds up because the mini hunters wasn't around and the T1 million are metallic and they're able to use like the reflectiveness and the shininess of the 3d. It's like the toy story thing where it's like that still ages.

Okay. Because there's supposed to look super shiny and plastic. Right. Ah, sure. Right. Um, one of the things I'm sure somebody's going to correct me and I'm wrong But it's the theater kind of Opening up effect Which is used

In like Mickey's PhilharMagic And then is used in the newer DreamWorks theater show In the Kung Fu Panda Where they just sort of do the whole Oh my god it's all there Hiding some cards that we actually There's way more screen than you even thought

Now that's sort of a trope I feel like Of these type of movies hiding some cards that we actually there's way more screen than you even thought right like that's a now that's sort of a trope i feel like of these type of movies and sort of building on i feel uh muppet vision that we're starting to do now at the end the the cannon goes off and there's little flickers and missing bricks and so we're do there's effects on the walls you don't know about but not full screen expansion yet that's i think a great thing about the it like takes it exists in a world where some of the like there's been some cool 3d theme park movies but how can we take it to the next level i also just love though the thing that makes it feel like a proper uh terminator installment

to me is it doesn't end with like Jimmy Fallon going like well thanks looks like I beat you this time see you around on the next episode like it ends the way the Terminator movies end with like Sarah Connor delivering a voiceover monologue about what she's learned

and then you have the imagery of the skull turning into Arnold right already the logic of it if turning into Arnold. Right. Like already the logic of it, if you investigate, it's a little like, wait, why are we being able to see a portal of them in another time period? But then I like that in that final stretch, it's just like, no, we're just going like full stylistic. Like this is a movie. Yeah.

It's ending. And then they pose real cool. It's a real end of a play too Yeah It's just kind of weighty and dramatic Maybe this is the best Work of narrative art That anyone has ever made No argument from me

Wait a second I think that's probably This or the California Adventure Aladdin show Either one of the two If you had to rate Muppet Vision versus T2 3D? It's really tough because it's like they almost represent like the two different sides of my personality. And I think they're both incredible executions.

They're both like examples of like the last pure time that the original creator had his hand in his creation. Wow. A lot of people took it away absolutely uh i think they're like the best technical executions of 3d i've ever seen and i think unlike most uh uh theme park uh movies like this they they have like proper like stories yeah like they kind of they kind of work as films In and of themselves Watching them like You know On YouTube Even in the Sort of butchered way That we do

Shrek 4D You will not enjoy Watching that as a short You know But you can on Netflix Yeah you can You can I have

Yes I have too It's a bad movie Yeah Well you would have A bad time If the ghost of Farquaad Interrupted your honeymoon. Okay.

I mean, fair point. That is true. But I would say maybe that is one of the big advantages that T2, 3D and Muppet Vision 3D both have going for them, which is no ghost of Farquaad. Specifically of Farquaad. That was going to be my plus up for this, though. You want to throw a little Farquaad ghost? A little ghost of Farquaad. Specifically Farquaad. That was going to be my plus up for this, though. You wanted to run a little Farquaad ghost? A little ghost of Farquaad. There is an irritating ghost.

We must stop it. If this was still going in Florida, I would say this should be a plus up, but it is still running in Japan. Which you are about to go. I am, but I am not doing universal this when I I kind of this gave me a little regret because I didn't realize this was still going this backdraft and jaws yeah kind of tempting next trip for me um yeah you should I bet that's I think it'd be a second

time for me next year if we go um we'll do it because there's so much it's far that's the thing like to make all that every like i'm gonna go to disney sea which has all these custom things you can't see anywhere and then i'm gonna go to us all the way to osaka to see three things that we used to have once well but what if i told you and i've pulled from this before, the Universal Japan English language website makes these rides even better. Oh, boy. It's just, this is not like the, oh, look, they translate it to English.

Isn't that funny? Their copy is so great on this website. Reality is dissolved and absorbed right before your eyes into the world of Terminator. The battle for the future between humans and cyborgs unfolds before your eyes. A super 3D movie that makes you reflexively lean back comes up close and suddenly the hero on screen appears on stage, powerfully recreated world of Terminator dissolves reality.

And then in a blink of an eye, swallows it whole. I mean, wow, that's the best description i have ever heard it's like a robert frost poem yeah yeah wow that's that says it i don't think that under does i love this thing and i think yes somewhere finally gave it its due it's got to last another year or just like two years just in case is it in english or japanese that was the one thing i did not look up a lot of it's in japanese a lot of the other stuff is in japanese i don't know specifically about this that's a good question i would be curious but i do feel like i felt such a uh a pang of regret

that i missed it at orlando by a month oh yeah that there's this part of me that feels so uh unfulfilled that i'm just like i need to make sure i get to fucking tokyo before this thing closes down like i want to see it again properly through adult eyes um and my my girlfriend which the last time i was on the show had never been to a theme park before we had just come from doing disneyland for two days she wanted me to announce on this uh show that she is now quote ride or die for rides yeah convert so i feel like you know like you know a couple months of steady work i could very easily sell her on the idea of we have to fly to tokyo so i can see a 15 million minute terminator film you actually have to get to osaka still further to go to tokyo if you want

that's one of those you think it's like it's just in the neighborhood it's many hours away but next to what i keep saying next year is that the first Nintendo Land will be open next summer. And that makes it inarguable. If Terminator is still open when that is opening, that's fully worth that trip. And there's also an Olympics going on. Well, that might be a nice... It's very crowded. In terms of plus-up ideas, you do feel like now that Cameron has gotten the reins back on the franchise, what would be nice is for him to just make a new Terminator 3D movie.

Oh, very nice. For him to make a new experience. That sets in the next one. The Dark Fate narrative. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. There needs to be just another park park one disney park and they can

throw all this fox stuff in it right because terminator feels kind of evergreen the thing that makes i guess made the attraction feel dated in universal's eyes is that it's t2 specific you know right but it feels like i mean i guess the difference is we're talking about like how, you know, you imagine Disney is going to find some way to exploit Alien and Predator and Planet of the Apes in their parks, but those are franchises that are based off of creatures, like not specifically one actor. Right. Giving an iconic movie star performance in the same way. Like, you know, Ripley is obviously huge huge but you can make a ride that's just the

xenomorphs and people will be happy right um but but this it's like it's not really a terminator thing if arnold schwarzenegger isn't it right that's yeah he's so tied to it yeah i wonder if it also feels like him doing yeah doing a new movie with just the same cast which is what everyone wants right but it doesn't seem like it might extend the life unless maybe the new characters pop in a way but it's you know it's hard you're not gonna get your new character but every time they go like this is the start of a new trilogy it doesn't we've planned out three of them yeah it's gonna be an accident almost in the way that like apes i mean maybe they were probably planning those movies but like it was sort of surprising that apes was as good as it was and then the second one built on it a bunch more like maybe

just set the expectation let's just terminate one good terminator under our right we'll see if it ever happens yeah it may never happen i just remember like mcg at a comic-con teasing like and commons character is gonna have a lot to do in the third movie like that was his big selling point i mean but at least now we see a more utopian vision for common because he is living in the future he's always dreamed of in the rise of the machines that's a dystopia that future yes yes but with microsoft common is living in the future we've always dreamed of technology yeah connecting us in new ways the beto o'rourke campaign crouching on coffee shop tables knocking over drinks if if what we want in presidential

candidates is uh just meaningless platitudes why aren't we running common yes common talking about a surface tablet in every american's hands yeah it's a candidate for the common man yeah hey yeah uh did we get there is there anything else we anything we missed a volley of anything i'm sure we missed a ton of stuff. I just can't think of anything. I don't have anything written down anymore. I know. We have so little on the movie. And I think because you just had to be there.

You had to experience it. You had to battle across time yourself. It had to be you getting knocked off. I did. I bought a bunch of merchandise at the store. I think I probably had a T-shirt that i've lost somewhere along the way but i bought a bunch of uh toys which were they took like the terminator 2 toys and repackaged them in terminator 3d packaging but they also made a t1 million they did which falls into your category of toys representing just park specific exactly but you don't have that i don't't. And at the time I took it for granted.

Now I think it's maybe a little hard to come by. Because it was the only one that wasn't that never got a mass release. You know? Right. The other toys were just a packaging difference. Interesting. Let's see. Okay. T1 million on eBay. Yeah.

I'm searching it right now. T2. One million dollars. T2. I don't even do a search for T2 3D. One million dollars. T2. I don't even think it's coming up. Wow. T2 3D. Until there's a Sergeant Candy toy.

I mean, Sergeant Candy might very quickly become your number two behind Rex. He might be your second favorite character in all of media i mean there isn't a number two or a number three or a numbers uh four through a hundred for that so far it's a one and done list yep yeah yeah i'm pop culture character monogamous but you know maybe it's time to branch out i see here that i cannot find t2 3d uh t1 million but i can find funny 3d print putin donald trump and kim jong-un short sleeve casual t-shirt and they're all in like track suits together you know what that's what i was thinking post that on twitter that's really funny 10 bucks 10 bucks oh that's great free shipping too uh i'm going to find i i will uh send you at some

point when after we're done recording can you send that um the uh t the the robocop terminator toy oh yes oh yes very curious about right i'll create a drop box of all the toys i've referenced yes we can all access yeah right yeah um And it will all be uploaded to Skynet Soon enough Griffin Newman once again you have survived Podcast the right I was trying to think I was trying to find the script while we were talking

So I could do like the actual So once again we have found Ourselves amused By the toy observations Of Wonderful guests You do feel like you've survived at the end of this ride amused by the toy observations of a wonderful guest. You do feel like you've survived at the end of this ride. I mean, it is a real

like we accomplished something here today. Yeah. I think mainly we accomplished it not being three hours. We'll keep stepping up the length. And hey, you knew it was a great ride because it had a dash and a coal in it was a great ride because it had a dash and a colon

yeah yeah double punctuation yeah yes our favorites just yeah build up your girlfriend to be ride or die for complicated punctuation and then we'll know she really made it yeah we're still at the point in our relationship where she doesn't understand why i get worked up about that she now gets why i get excited about rides she's like who cares what the thing is called in due time she'll get there bvs dawn of justice why dawn and what's the what's the new terminator again uh dark fate dark fate okay yeah turn your dark shadows the tick season two is just the tick season two it's not uh no there's no it's a tick season two robin season uh no there's no uh we're not doing the the stranger

things argument that it's not a second season it's a sequel it is a classic good old american season two fantastic uh 10 episodes all on amazon prime great great check it out uh and the podcast which i've been listening to a ton since you've been here uh but but tick please watch uh watch early and watch often because the streaming landscape is the wild west these days keep refreshing you and peter sarah finowitz together are so funny thank you as a duo it's delightful thank you uh thank you thank you for coming to the uh you saw you saw you're you're You and Peter Serafinowicz together are so funny as a duo. It's delightful. Thank you. Thank you for coming to the... You saw, you're one of the few people who has seen an episode from season two.

And you guys were very funny on panel, too. Thank you. Thank you. One of the reasons I want the show to keep going is that we all actually like each other, which I think for all of us, we know how rare it is that uh we we all actually like each other which i think for uh all of us we know how rare it is that there isn't at least one gigantic asshole in a group and usually they bring the whole thing down and so like every time we get to do like a convention or promo thing we're like this is like great we get to like hang out like we want to have dinner together yeah we

like being in break rooms together sure so i just uh you know i i don't want to go back into the wilds of pilot season you never know when you're gonna get cast on like a lethal weapon you know with people punching each other on a daily basis right right right yes have you thought about getting back into improv classes i've never a bad time to start taking classes again i've thought about it in orlando yes of course well you know what you learned oh boy i think we're all gonna move there after this uh hey as for us uh check us out on twitter on instagram check out the patreon second gate at patreon.com slash podcast the ride check out our t public store anything else specific going on right now? I don't know. Nothing. Yeah.

Just all fun stuff. Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, uh, yeah. Uh, Civico,

uh, checking out all of our peripheral, uh, if you can. All right. Thanks for listening. Catch you next time. Forever.

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