Podcast: The Ride - Tarzan Rocks! with Kevin Perjurer

Episode Date: March 22, 2019

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The shocking truth of why Phil Collins didn't perform at the Oscars 34 years ago, and khakis, khakis, khakis. It's the ultimate theme park media snarkster crossover as we welcome Kevin Pergerer, creator of Defunctland, to funk it up

with Tarzan, Jane, Old Turk, and Podcast the Ride. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, hosted by three guys who are friggin' pumped to spend a few hours talking about rockers in dockers. I'm Scott Gairdner, joined by Jason Sheridan and Mike Carlson. Hey, guys. mike carlson hey guys hey yeah they're the dress the musician style uh dress is is amazing in this uh not to tip too much too early no but it was also the era it paints the era i think the only thing that could uh pin this more into 1999 is if the performers yelled let's hear it for the nato forces victorious in kosovo because just watching it it evokes such an era with so little and if only disney really does need to acknowledge specific military campaigns more often than their yes yeah dance shows like like tarzan would have announced uh the killing of osama bin laden yes. Live at the show. We got him.

Jane, we got him. Hey, so yes, as we're alluding to today, we are talking about Tarzan Rocks, which if you don't know it, and there's a little bit of likelihood you might not know it, this was a live show that started in 1999 and ended at some point in the mid-2000s that was a live spectacular celebrating the music of the eternal Phil Collins Tarzan score in a much more rockin' manner than Disney is usually willing to do.

But if you don't know this attraction, then you probably do know our guest. I'm sure you're familiar with his work, if you are a theme park nerd or regular listener to this podcast. Over the last couple of years, he's made a series of extremely popular history videos about defunct theme parks. He's often cited as a source from us. He does probably a significant more amount of research than we do, and we're happy to have to hear some stuff straight from the horse's mouth today. Joining us for the first time on Podcast The Ride, from Defunctland, Kevin Pergerer. Welcome, sir.

It's about time. I am angry and ready to go. It's hot. And I could only get in through Tarzan Rocks. It was my Trojan horse, and I'm so glad into Tarzan rocks. It was my Trojan horse. And I'm so glad that it finally worked. You do our weakness, which is, you know, weird music,

weird rock music. Two worlds, one family podcasting and videos coming together. At last history. I remember the first time I listened to the podcast. I mean, you were in my ears as i run oh i uh i oh yes oh i love i love the podcast you know i thought i thought wow these

these guys are really funny i mean like i you know i was because i assumed it was like a research based like podcast i'm like these guys are hilarious and then i looked all three of you up and they're like oh they're comedians and they don't always do their research as much as as much as i do at least and okay this wasn't this was in the earlier episodes so you were like quoting like my videopolis video from like oh yeah second episode you're you're plenty of us most most of the time our sources are you and uh jim hill and lynn testa uh uh so congratulations you beat first of all. You made it here first. Yes. And you should be proud.

But thank you for letting us siphon off of your info, say it a little less carefully, and pass it off as our own. No, well, yeah, we've been such a thumbnail of one of them and i pulled it up fully expecting to be immediately greeted by a guy saying hey guys so uh today we're talking and like who's in like a friggin tiki shirt and like uh you know like a hovel of an apartment with uh too many too much bullshit around him scott just trashed half of Theme Park Media. Apologies. Those are all my friends. That's true.

Look, look, look. I have no problem with having a bunch of crap in your apartment. But you know what I mean? There's like a type of video that I've come to expect from Theme Park Media Online. And to watch your videos and find that they're like they're very clean they're very well produced uh they're they're they're funny uh when you go for jokes they're funny like it it was all like your stuff was a real uh breath of fresh air and uh yeah hey

i'm glad we're all we're all here complimenting each other sure well thank you. I'm glad I, uh, the, the, the, the, again, I, I got, I got into it. I think the first episode I listened to was universe of energy. Um, and I, I was the, the point that I remember the first time that I was like, this is hilarious. I was jogging because I listened to podcasts only when I'm working out and I was, I was jogging and you made the universe of energy joke where you say like, it's like the guy that wants to have sex with energy as one of the theme songs. And I, I like, I like, like people like were like, I was running around a track at a gym and I like started laughing so hard I had to stop running. So it just looked like my heart had given out

and I was like holding onto the wall and people were like, what the hell? I'm like, i'm like no no you and i mean too long to explain to these people but i mean great great great content there's a comic book where mickey explains valdez and uh i don't know i mean the whole thing that was so great and then i saw the videopolis episode and my ego was like you're mentioned and i'm like what and i was so I was just like, 15 seconds, 15 seconds, 15 seconds. And then I was like, I was mentioned. Oh, fantastic. But yeah, no, I mean, great stuff. Hey, thank you. Thank you very much.

I think if you had played that clip over, if you'd asked them to put it on the gym loudspeaker, I think it would have played. I think everybody lifting weights would have understood the deep universe of energy comedy. So next time that next time we I think we often provoke fits of laughter so intense that hospitalization is a lot of times bodybuilders come up to

me and they say they'll be benching and listening to us and that they drop the bar right on their chest very often. So I would advise people not to bench press and listen to podcast the ride right on their chest very often. So I would advise people not to bench press and listen to Podcast The Ride. A lot of caved-in picks. Kevin, you were also nice enough to ask all of us to do voices for your Disney's America video,

which I wanted to let you know I sent to my mother, and I said, keep an eye out for a familiar voice. And she's like, that video is very good. Very interesting. I really don't remember much of that park. What voice was I looking for? And I was like, mine, your son's. And my dad got it immediately.

Like, I think my dad was like, oh, is that Mike's? Like the first thing. But yeah, mom uh did not recognize me as disgraced pervert senator larry that also started you had a you basically we had a competition between scott and i for michael eisner um and i don't know we we were we got in the zone i still think uh mine wasn't, it was okay. I got a little gravelly, but we started like, I was at a bus stop waiting to get on,

like to get to the airport. And I was just like, hello, hello, hello, hello. I'm like, is that right? No, it's not. I'm like trying to listen to it. I'm like walking away from the other people waiting for the bus because I'm trying to figure out Michael Eisner's tone. And like, so, so thank you for casting me as Michael

Eisner. If it ever happens again, I've spent more time on it. It's not good yet, but it will be good. Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm so happy that you guys came on. He also came for charity land and, um, the, and those are just, uh, those are great. Both of those were great experiences having, having you all on, but the, uh, I, I agree that Michael Eisner ended up being really good. I love to use it again. That was, of course, I brought you on because it was a Ken Burns style documentary on Disney's America. So I guess I need to find my which was Ken Burns Civil War parody. So I guess I need to find my Michael Eisner Vietnam's story so I can bring you on again to do that one well i was you know like we we've talked about and we and we brought this up a little uh when we did your your charity live stream uh

that i think what maybe one thing where we disagree with you on a little bit i think you're a little hard on old eisner and uh and i was trying to remember like where where i started feeling that where i was like oh the like the Eisner hate is strong. And I think I realized it was at the end of Disney Quest. And I rewatched the end of your Disney Quest episode. And speaking of documentaries, I was like, this is turning into Fahrenheit 9-11 about Michael Eisner. This is like painting a picture of a warmongerer. Yeah, it's, i don't know i i i i'm curious to i think mike's played well because you you did such a villainous

take which is probably what you were after uh a little bit i had ulterior motives to my casting yes perhaps yeah the the the darker uh the darker eyes it's like takes on batman it's uh you know do we do fun do we do fun batman uh like adam west or do we do uh do we do a scarier frank miller one and clear you were the you're the scary you're the scary frank miller swear to me um but no guns carry a weapon of the coward here's what yeah well in that one you described him as an unfocused fickle often angry CEO I don't I don't doubt that did you not remember it because like we don't I don't remember like some things I say I mean I've never had them like I've never had that read to me out of context and just that before. In an interrogation six months ago, you referred to Mr. Eisner.

No, I think, you know, I see where you're coming from with it, because clearly there was like a good Eisner era and a bad Eisner. I think he I think he turned. And this will all – I better shut up now or we'll never get him on the show. We want him on the show. He's made it sort of a declaration. I'm going to toe the party line. Eisner was perfect. He was always perfect. And that's the end.

That's the way I feel. No, no, no. I think like – yeah, clearly there was – I mean, because he got ousted from the company and everything. Roy Disney sort of pushed him out. But I think we're – I don't like we i feel like we forgive him i feel like the you know we talk about music a lot it's like the good the good stuff was so you know oh the you know the first five albums were so great i'll forgive the shitty last 17 it's like weezer well i don't know that we're agreeing on that one it's the two first albums are so good i'm ready to forget anything forgive anything forgive any amount of weezer of river solo rap yeah um anyway uh eisner

though eisner um well like the the argument between a good eisner and a bad eisner um is kind of it's it's basically is that the case is there a good-eyes or a bad-eyes? Or was there a Frank Wells and a not Frank Wells? Yeah. Because if you, I mean, like, and the story I'm telling in season two of Defunctland starts with Euro Disneyland and that failure. And that was the start to his downfall. So I'm telling his downfall.

I'm not talking about his from 1984 to 1992 ish. I mean, not that there was anything extraordinary happening there besides the, the, the seeds that were planted to make these incredible Renaissance movies. And also that time that the rescues down under like inexplicably did well. And like they, like someone bursts and they're like, we're winning. And they're like, that's not, that can't be right.

Would the rescuers down under is really performing well at the box office. Um, um, but, but the, uh, but you know, Eisner is, uh, is, is, is kind of like an antihero in that he is the most human character in any of the defunct land episodes because he is, and you know, I do treat the subjects as characters to a certain extent because you have to, you know, tell stories. And when you're telling multiple, a story throughout multiple episodes, you see Michael Eisner's turn to the dark side at the end of Disney Quest, which was why that quote you mentioned was there. Well, you know, the Philadelphia location, as you point out, is still a parking lot. But in their defense, the Market East neighborhood is not exactly flush with parking options. So good for our fair city.

Yeah. Yeah. It's well, like, well, I think the Philadelphia parking lot takes the place of like the returning to Flint, Michigan and all of the Michael Moore. It's the he laid waste to, you know, all these big decisions have laid waste to this poor town. Yeah, they're they're they're they're exactly parallel, I think. Yeah. Well, the but but with the series, you know, I try to find out where Michael Eisner turned, because I think no matter who you ask, there is a there was the turning point. And so everyone kind of says it was Euro Disneyland,

and my argument was it was more of a result of Euro Disneyland, Disney's America, Club Disney, Disney Regional Entertainment as a whole, and that's when he turned, and that's what brought us Superstar Limo, and then what's coming up is Hong Kong Disneyland, which is the finale. Oh, interesting. I don't know when this airs, so no one steal my ideas if this isn't out already. Well, at least it'll be in February or March. Do you know when that's when you're heading for the finale?

Okay, gotcha. Or halfway through. No, no, no. I meant as in we are in February. Oh, us currently in this time that we're recording. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, gotcha. Yeah.

But okay, so you're building up to hong kong disneyland which we haven't really talked about a lot on this show um i don't like well i mean don't give away your your video certainly don't give away the things that happened no yeah the things that are a matter of public record you know the past i'm not gonna reveal my past is is the take on it i mean it does seem like it's probably the chintziest of the magic kingdoms that's fair to say correct it was a it was a horrible horrible mistake it was it was a terrible idea from the start um and i'll go into it but it's worse than paris it's it's such an interesting story of like of just it's just crap like it

could not have happened at a worse time um everything went wrong um I mean and so Paris I guess was more of like a a direct like oh my gosh this is a bad thing like people are getting mad and Hong Kong Disneyland was kind of forgotten about because it was like you know brushed under the rug during the whole save disney roy disney era um of things happening which is also what we're gonna i'm gonna touch on that before the end of the season sure sure um but but the uh but yeah i mean i i don't know i find it i find it very funny because it was like uh yeah we're gonna go to go classic. We're going to build the Disneyland castle. And yeah, we need to save a lot of money. We're going to build the smallest castle we can.

Yeah, they didn't disguise that super well. That seemed pretty evident what they were. And now they are replacing the castle, correct? They're doing which is why I'm doing the episode, right? Yeah, sure. That's my defunct of the defunct. I mean, Hong Kong is still around, so that's it. It's the castle. But it's symbolic in a way. The first castle

ever to be torn down, again, with parallels to, you know, Iraq war era, it's sort of like the tearing down of the Saddam statue. There's a lot of significance to this. I hope we get to see footage of the castle being torn down. If we're talking

CEOs, though, like if you were to write, let's say, one to ten to this uh i hope we get to see footage of the castle being torn down if we're talking if we're talking ceos though what like if you were to write let's say one to ten uh eisner overall and then eiger overall do you have a number that pops in your head for both of them just to weigh out all the stuff they've done well it's it's hard to say um the uh and and so if you read my book plug for book um yeah the uh there's a great the ending not that it's there's a there's kind of a i come to grab uh come to this this head of the michael eisner hate and like the book is kind of about the eisner hate towards the end um and like how how to handle it and different things um uh and it you know culminates into a lightsaber fight between bob eiger and michael eisner um and which is which is a wonderful

ending to that to that classic book um but the uh the i'm trying to think uh bob eiger is a so bob eiger came from capital city right he was was ABC guy. He was brought into the company. And I think I was reading somewhere, Michael Eisner was worried from the start that he wasn't creative enough for Disney. Like he was too much of a numbers guy. And he's like, yeah, Bob Iger. I don't know. He has potential, but he's just, you know, he's too much of a numbers. He isn't thinking about the product. So Eisner thought of himself as like an avant-garde artist and Bob Iger was this uptight guy who only knew how to do math?

No. I mean like I wish because that would make a great like 90s drama blockbuster movie. But no. That's not really the case. That's not quite true. That's not quite that. I think it's more of Bob Iger is is so obsessed with this the stocks and getting um and getting the board on his side and eisner was so obsessed with becoming walt disney um and

like being that guy um and no there's just it's multi-layered um i don't i don't know how to answer that i feel very i do feel like this is an interrogation of sorts i was giving you a very uh very uh broad question that i expect you to give a perfect number response to the ceo's performance the polygraph is just going crazy right now i'm just imagining like bob eiger holding a lightsaber and going like i love this classic lightsaber like like with simpsons characters talking about like this lighted saber is my favorite of all the sabers hamburgers are more of a weekend food like george bush on the simpsons i think in the book i gave michael eisner the disneyland star tours opening ribbon cutting saber if you remember that one yeah yeah that severed the the ribbon at the beginning okay oh wow you you gave him a specific one that he had held in real life yeah i know i know that was just like a throwaway joke but that's actually

something i did um and then bob eiger i think had kylo ren's saber if i remember correct and maybe just a red light saber. I don't know. That makes sense. He shepherded the Kylo Ren films. So, yeah. Yeah. Makes sense to me. Spoilers, I guess.

He also started the last shareholder phone call by proclaiming, destroy the past, kill it. Like Kylo Ren. So. And that's how we got Will Smith as the genie oh boy I think that's going to be good I think we're I think we're all going to be surprised um

no I they keep doing this thing and then they keep getting surprised when it doesn't work or they they I guarantee Disney has this one VFX studio made of like 15 people that they only use for trailers because they did the same thing with the avengers trailer where hulk was running at the end of infinity war but really it was just mark ruffalo in the mech suit and so so they have these these people that are doing visual effects just to throw people off in the trailers

and they keep getting surprised with the latin trailer because he's like yeah just just make something real quick and they got this blue monstrosity and it's just for the trailer i'm sure the real one looks way better than that um isn't the rumor though that they did that real quick because they released that photo of him without the blue like there's multiple photos of him not blue and then everyone was like why isn't he blue and they were like no no he's gonna be blue he's yeah he's for sure gonna be blue don't worry he isn't he blue? And they were like, no, no, he's going to be blue. Yeah, he's for sure going to be blue. Don't worry. He's going to be blue. And then they like turned around and were like, oh, my God, make him blue right now. He has to go.

Like, that's what I heard happened, which makes a lot of sense with how weird some of those shots are, too, that they were just like, oh, shit, we got to make him blue. People are going to be mad. Make it the stinger at the end. Let's reveal a major character is the sting. I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's the, this is Eisner's fault again, because he made 101 Dalmatians. That's true, he did. And the Jungle Book.

Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day. Like that was the first live action remake, but like we don't really think about, I mean, how often do you find yourself thinking about the live action? Every day. I mean, how often do you find yourself thinking about the live action? Every day. I do like Glenn Close in it. Yeah, and Hugh Laurie, a young Hugh Laurie.

That is a movie I think that delivers on the promise. Not that I'm not planning on watching 102 Dalmatians anytime soon, but I feel like it did basically deliver on the promise of the casting. Like, good casting for a yeah you know a significant character um will will smith as the genie go over the same way well i'll say this it's not going to be the same because it's not going to give the the now defunct mgm studios a wealth of behind the. Here's how Dalmatian animatronics work. Like they went all in on showing those on monitors and stuff at the Backlot tour and like little displays and all when those movies were

coming out in the 90s. So like, here's how we made 101 dogs without having to have 101 dogs on set. And a lot of creepy animatronic puppies yeah yeah like we're like writhing around and sort of like bending their bending their lip flaps and then a bizarre way yes yeah i remember being freaked out by that um that's my disney experience your ultimate disney attraction just specifically that's my version of the of the that's not my president meme that's that's my disney experience yeah feel free to implement that as much as you can you aren't

seeing creepy animatronic puppies and just for my last question about pertaining to michael eisner at least for this is would you purchase a like a deluxe hundred dollar to 150 dollar doll or figure of michael eisner would that be something you would be interested in displaying in your home? For the purpose of the bit or in like my actual, I have to actually think about this as a purchase in my life. Yeah. And then let's put the caveat in that. Like, uh, it's not, you can't like even get like ironic Instagram likes. It's just for you. It's just for you and the doll to look at each other. No.

Cause my answer for me is yes i would buy it 100 150 bucks if it looked really good he's got the suit on i would love it if it came with his desk from those opening of the uh and then like walt's desk but yes it's walt's desk uh it's exactly how he had it but mike leisner standing over it feeling very cocky uh but yes i would own that doll i think scott agreed with me he would also be interested he's not a big collectible guy one one caveat is there a change of ties yes oh well yeah these high format figures like this batman i have here you got different faces you got different outfits you got different yeah so i want a big

wide tie with like a donald pattern on it and then a big wide tie with Glenn Close from 101 Dalmatians on it. As long as I can change out those ties. I mean, three at minimum, but optimally seven. So a different tie for every day of the week. It's littered with accessory. I mean, you got the it definitely comes with a beaches and cream kitchen sink Sunday. It comes with carpet. Wait a minute.

Why did it come with that? Because he loved the um uh yacht and beach club okay he loved the the new england sounds like this thing for your toy that's what i want i will buy it if it comes with all of these ties yeah okay carpet samples for the grand california hotel the extra deluxe figure comes with breck a child breck doll as well thank you for star tours breck thank you he's giving like the thumbs up and there'll be like little pictures of the rides and like breck you can display it so breck is thumbs upping like classic rides michael has a notebook in front of him with ideas and then a splash mountain with daryl hannah animatronic question mark is written on the front with all of these i think the accessorizing has won kevin over all right so you're in kevin is

what i'm asking yes one more thing on michael eisner though that uh i i should say that uh he he exists within the defunct land series and if any if i guess if anyone's listening that hasn't watched the series i should you don't have to but this would make a lot more sense why uh the eisner hate um uh the uh and it's not that i don't like eisner I think the company was much more fascinating when ran by him. I think he is a, he's one of the best programmers to ever live. Like as far as deciding what content should be created and, you know, cultivating and, you know, pushing that content to be its best. Um, he was one of the worst CEOs because he, I, he didn't understand business and he doesn't.

And I, and when he focused on it, I still don't think he really understood it in that time period, or he was just too unfocused. But in all seriousness, I do prefer the company under Michael Eisner. I'm a big Don Tatum guy, though. I love it. I love it.

So I would say Eisner over Iger, but I'm Tatum all the way. So Tatum is the best. What years was that? Oh, my gosh. I just had to look it up because I just said it out loud. I was like, oh, my God, you stumped me with Don Tatum. It sort of rings a bell.

Oh, my gosh. See, he was CEO until 1976. He was right after Roy. So because Walt Disney was never the CEO of Walt Disney. So from 1971 to 1976, he was the head of the company. Okay. What is it? Yeah.

Wait, where was he? Don Tatum guy right here. Where was he? Card Walker during that time period. Wasn't he the head? After that. After that. Okay.

Okay. So I'm trying to think. Ron Miller. during that time period wasn't he the head after that after that okay okay um what are some films in the don tatum era i'm having like he probably probably a couple of love bugs did herbie go bananas in the tatum era um well let's see um i'm sure herbie did go bananas in the date of era he did not i unfortunately that was all that was all herbie went bananas for walker um i i believe herbie will only go bananas for walker i'll declare this right now uh well he i got a list in front of me now the barefoot executive maybe based on his own experience if he was such a cool guy was he like a jimmy buffett type might have been the type hadn't been this is the early 70s was there even such a cool guy was he like a jimmy buffett type might have been the type hadn't been this is the early 70s was there even such a thing as a buffett type yet uh the million dollar duck of course the biscuit eater you know donna jason's favorites oh the biscuit eater is about it

it is about a dog that explains it i pull up the poster and it's about a dog uh uh uh world's greatest athlete uh super herbie wrote again during his era what the hell is the bears and i the bears and i starring chief dan george most movies don't star chiefs i like that i'll be honest i haven't i have never heard of most of these yeah which that's something oh but here we go apple dumpling yeah yeah now that's what i like yeah apple dumpling game so just for having given us uh apple dumpling gang uh and what's going on in the parks in the tatum era uh well walt disney world's coming out oh yeah that's one yes good point so so this is actually where tatum does come in is Epcot is heavily developed or this is the time where so and I'm going to explore this in season three, but I always consider Epcot Walt Disney's Rosebud. Like he just like shouted it before he died and everyone was like, what the hell does that mean?

And so for like, you know, the next 10 years, people were like, did he mean like a real city or was this like a scale model of a city? And I don't know. And so that he spent a lot of that time, like, you know, talking to the state of Florida and the state of Florida being like, please don't build a city. And he's like, I don't want to build a city for that whole thing. So that was a really that was a really interesting time for the parks. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Uh, and clearly they finally cracked what Walt wanted when it became a display of

upcoming Sega games that finally crystallized his vision. Walt Disney envisioned Sega, the entire thing in the moments before he died. And, uh, they, they finally got it, uh,

um, Mickey and Sonic together. so season three we got Tatum we got we got the death of Disney anything anything else you can tease or that you're starting to think about so I separated into seasons and people are like this is why are you doing this this means nothing and it means something to me and that's all that matters season two is very much about season two two's headline attraction would be Journey into Imagination. It's all about creativity and what the creative process can yield and what obstacles can get in the way of the creative process and the results of the creative process in the medium know, in the, in the, in the medium of theme parks, theme entertainment and whatnot. Um, and, you know, it's also a look into what businesses have the ability to do, um, to, to things such as creativity and all that jazz. Um, and so season

three would be more about the future and the views of the future. And, and so that's more of the Epcot kind of idea. idea um so i guess the headline would be horizons i'm not sure if i'm going to do it for that season but horizons would be that attraction where we're all we're talking about you know we're going world's fair i i don't want to spoil too much because i know everyone's on the edge of their seat um but uh but yeah so that would be my explanation of that and season one was a mistake do you have do you have like a multi like season arc like do you have like a a series finale in mind like what the last season of defunct land like how far in advance do you think about this type of thing um i think season to season and i do have a series

finale in mind um and it might be at the end of season three we will see oh really you might be wrapping it up that might be it wow well just so i just so i can reboot it just so i can be like the new class and yeah right right yeah i see with a different person um yeah reboots are in vogue. That's a smart move. That's good. And Screech will be involved. The horrible thing. Yes, yeah, yeah.

Well, that you are thinking in a bigger way and do have a season finale in mind that puts you a notch ahead of Vince Gilligan. He just figured it out as he went. So I'll declare it here. Kevin Perger, superior to Vince Gilligan. Yeah. A better showrunner.

I appreciate that and agree with it more so. Yeah. Happily take that and just own it. You know what's a question I had for you also is, you know, because we're both in, us with our theme park podcast and you with your theme park video series, we all have to think about topics and figure out how much meat is on the bone. And is that just a thing that's part of an episode or does that sustain a couple episodes? Is there anything about your process that you can tell us? And specifically, have you ever started a video and gone, there's not enough there?

That was a trip to nowhere. Yes, I have started videos. And I talked about this in a recent one of my podcasts, where I, you know, that becomes a challenge for me where I say, well, I'm going to, I can make it interesting because, you know, I can make anything interesting. And then you realize that, no, you can't, that you're not that talented. Sometimes no one's that talented to make certain things interesting. And what I've come to is in some situations, and I should pull up just my – I keep it all on Google Docs, which is a great business suite. But I can scroll and see if I have any that I just haven't done. But what it comes down to for me is if the people that are supposed to be interested

are not involved, or if they as people do not have their mind focused on this park or ride, there's probably not a story there because you don't have any characters. So for instance, I gave... So Wonderland Sydney is an episode on an Australian theme park that closed down.

It was absorbed by a company for business purposes and then abandoned for business purposes. They didn't care about it at all. Purely a business transaction. It's like the bakery didn't make it. There's no story there. Like that's all it is. But there was a huge fan base that was just like crying on the last day. And that was like, okay, that's a story.

You know, people are involved, people care. Um, this was a, this affected people, but if I know, and it's, and usually in the theme park sphere, people really care. So it's really great. Um, but sometimes they don't. Okay. Here's actually an example. Wow. Um, nevermind. Uh, so the arcade um is something i've always wanted to do um the arcade if if you can guess is was the arcade on the uh disney cruise line ship disney dream and it was removed um and replaced with vanellope's sweet shop themed to Wreck-It Ralph, which is ironic. And that irony, because it was an arcade and Wreck-It Ralph is a, yeah. But that irony was not enough, believe it or not, to drive a 12 to 24 minute episode. Unless I gave the entire history of the Disney Cruise Line, which was actually the purpose for the episode to begin with.

Because I love the Disney Cruise Line. But but yeah did you experience the arcade yourself oh i mean it was it was an experience uh you know it had the sign outside that had a little parrot sitting on it and said arcade with like three or four r's and i was like whoa and i go inside and it's this it's a small arcade and then i you know played a game or two and then i left i was like wow that was the arcade and you're saying that wasn't enough for 20 minutes yeah that was not enough for 20 minutes i couldn't find the imagine here behind the arcade um which was another thing i'm sure there was a there was a lot of drama at the time of how are we gonna how are we gonna accomplish the arcade although you know I do want to do an episode now that I'm just on this for some reason. I do want to do an episode on all the arcade puns.

I don't know if I've mentioned this before at all to anyone or maybe even you, but for some reason this sounds familiar. But I want to do the Starrcade, the arcade. I'm sure there's more. The carcade. What was the arcade in the contemporary called? Or is it still there? It is still there. Most of the hotel ones are still there.

Yeah. They don't have fun names, I feel like. Maybe they do. Maybe not. You can set it all to music from the Red Hot Chili Peppers Stadium Arcadium. That's my note for you. Well, thank you. Yeah.

I'd like to see 20 minutes just determining how many R's there were in the name. Was it pirate themed? No. I mean, What? That's not the point of it. Yeah, it's on a boat. It's got a lot of R's. There's a parrot. I mean, that was it. That was the whole thing.

It was the parrot had an eye patch. I think. Sorry, I was going to say, it does sound like it's enough for us to do an hour second gate episode on it though if it just has a parrot with an eye patch like that's enough for us in the world of comedy podcasting you just go you don't think about it too hard wow yes and yes and and that's why they're all so good. No, I mean, that's how my good friend Disney Dan makes videos. He brags about it all the time

sometimes. He just did a video. He does the costume character evolutions, if you've ever seen those. Oh, yeah. He's like, I didn't even write a script for that one. I just started talking. I was like, that's okay? That's like Ken Burns being like, I didn't even research the Civil War. I just started talking and i was like that's that okay that's like ken burns being like i didn't even research the civil war i just started talking then here we are on episode eight

i feel like i've heard like jay-z or something like i don't write the raps that they just come out of my head yeah so jay-z and disney dan are very similar yeah kevin is vince gilligan and jay-z disney dan is jay-z yeah i would say that i think it's the the analogy falls apart when you realize that you know you can just make up raps like it doesn't have to be based in fact um and dan was supposed to be making a history video whatever the uh but no yeah i agree i'll yeah i'll give him the jay-z title for today you don't think you can successfully freestyle a history of pluto costumes from 1955 i mean we're about to freestyle a history of tarzan rocks so i mean i i guess we'll find out i didn't do extensive research recently i'm i've always been fascinated with tarzan rocks but i can start making up facts and well we'll Disney Dan it well it's just a

seed of art fuck it we'll Disney Dan yeah fuck it Disney D or Jay-Z uh uh yeah well let's let's let's start getting into it let's let's start rocking gentlemen yeah yeah um I'm really excited and you you came to us with this uh topic and I'm hey well. And you, you came to us with this, uh, topic and I'm, well, that's a question. You talk about meat on the bone and stuff. Do you think, do you think, well, we can determine after this episode, perhaps, likely i will say there is enough because you have uh tarzan and you have animal kingdom um and you also have the the right so essentially at this point in my videos you you pick a topic that's going to be the meat and then you season it with all these other things so uh there wasn't a ton of information that I could go off of for the I don't know if you saw the haunted castle mystery tour video from Tokyo Disneyland. Oh, yeah, I did. That's so yeah, I was that was a great I was shocked, by the way, of them during that one.

I had no idea what that was. Yeah, that was a super interesting. But there wasn't a ton of me just explaining the ride itself on information of that. But you can talk about the Black Cauldron and that history, super interesting. And then, you know, Tokyo Disneyland a bit and its opening. And so you can season it. I think this is one of those things. It was early in the park, parks development.

You have the history of Tarzan as the last movie in the Disney Renaissance. And, you know, there is a video here the reason i'm considering you know transitioning from defunct land eventually maybe season three four or five and not doing this like indefinitely is because you know you i would start to get into like tarzan rocks i could do an entire season of just like tarzan rocks and spider-man rocks and all those uh you you are familiar with spider-man rocks Did you do an episode on that? We touched on it in a stunt show episode that was one of our first four episodes, I believe. So we have a new theme park podcast. We got to hit Spider-Man rocks ASAP as quick as we can.

So yeah, we know all about it. You do the rock season like, hey, we're helping. We're part of it. We're doing all the voices you need. We're making up songs for you.'re scoring that's that's our wheelhouse you're fighting over who gets to be uh uh hard rock park ceo john

binkowski like no i'm gonna do binkowski oh yeah that's that's what ends us the fight to be binkowski friendships over i think you get binkowski to do his own voice yeah he could do it uh this is actually a great idea now that i think about it i'll do a rock season defunct land rocks defunct land rocks yes defunct land rocks please make it happen i will be winston the punk rock

dog though that famous care you know the famous character from the Hard Rock Park, Winston, the punk rock dog. Come on, Kevin. No. He's a famous character. These episodes need characters. And with that park, you have Winston. So it writes itself. You have Winston and you have the bear metal family. They were like the country bears, but they rocked.

And the acrobatic roadies. That's true, too. Yeah. Which, yeah, that's fitting. This show is very acrobatic roadies That's true too Which yeah that's fitting This show is very acrobatic It sure is And very rock and roll I would like to

Just to butt in and say The country bears do rock And that that was an offensive Comparison to put down The bears like that If you've seen the movie the country bears that's for i think kevin you and i share uh the same love of country bears um when it's so good when that evil zach rider was trashing disney world rides i was okay carousel progress i really

like a lot but then when he said the country bears was kind of boring or the robots world, I did share your anger. And he did. He was a real heel when he said that. And I, you and I, we're going to do multiple country bears episodes. My co-hosts aren't even prepared for what I will eventually propose to them in regards to length and amount.

The question is, do we even have to be here or can you just talk for four hours straight with without assistance do you already have the audio he's just been recording it yeah every night what i do is i put a little candle by the bed and i bring the recorder into bed with me and i just talk about one of the characters for two hours and i go to sleep during that point like i i drift off to sleep at that point and And Trixie wears three petticoats, and each more lovely than the last. Good night, Trixie.

This is why Lindsay sleeps in a separate bedroom, like you are some rich, old money weirdos. Liverlip smacroll. Keep it down out there so I do have a quick country bear story that also involves Disney DJZ Disney Dan

we were at the parks and the other during Christmas so like during like you know the time you're not supposed to go and it was crazy and the country bears was packed because the park was packed. It was, it was, it was amazing. And Dan, we get in there, we are in the back row of the theater and everyone's quiet. You know, they're getting ready for the, the, the, the cast member to start the, like the puns before we get started. And we're standing up as we're walking in where the last ones that sit down, Dan still standing

starts clapping. And he says, we're about to give these bears he does not speak like this normally he just did this for this this part but he said we're about to give these bears the best gosh darn performance they've ever seen they've been practicing all week let's give it up for these bears and the amount of confused brazilians in that room was more than usual for orlando at the time and but we did get a large portion of the crowd to start cheering for the bears as if i to get them to come on stage. It was a fantastic moment. So definitely next time you're at the Jamboree, try to get the crowd a little riled up beforehand. The Bears love it.

They've been practicing for a while. I think that's great. Orlando, some of the crowds are a little lackluster. Not the case in Tokyo, though. They were wild to see those robots. Yeah, yeah. Standing O. Not a standing O, but they were definitely like clapped and they were they were hungry to see those robots yeah yeah standing oh not a standing oh but they were

definitely like clapped and they were they were hungry for those bears thank god beautiful um well but uh let's talk about some some different uh rocking animals here a little bit uh uh tarzan rocks so that so animal kingdom opens a couple of live shows when it began. There was a Jungle Book live show, I believe, initially. And a couple years into the run, they traded out in 99 to promote the new Disney animated film Tarzan. With, of course, the Phil Collins score. Did you guys get a chance to see this who saw it in person i never saw it in person i have no idea if i saw it in person or not i cannot remember i i would have been i would you know what i don't think as i'm saying this i don't know if i would

maybe we saw it i i have no memory of it whatsoever watching it and i also watched a a pretty good quality video of it and i have to give the person credit because they cut together two performances for this video and but the only difference is the main narrator has uh one of them has bright blonde hair and one of them is very bald. Yes. So it very much gave the feeling of like in The Shining when the shots go back and forth and furniture has moved like that unease Kubrick was trying to create. Kind of happened when I watched the video of Disney Rocks. The Shining reference is interesting because I was actually thinking of The Shining because the Jungle Book show that came before this

Baloo looks like Blow Bear from the Shining. The bear performing oral sex on a man in a hotel room, you mean? Yes, but I mean, have you seen have any of you looked up the Jungle Book, the one that came before this? No, no. No, I haven't.

Do you have a computer? Google it. It's didn't it's not full body costumes it's full body minus just the face ew what weird i was thrown in i mean in the tarzan one because turk is an actual like right character like disney walk around a character oh my god by the way audience y'all know turk you of course know turk right rosie o'donnell's beloved scene stealing every disney animal steals all the scenes steals all the scenes especially turns it up when turk trashes the camp also uh kevin very bold of you to declare this the end of the disney renaissance like that this is uh well i i what was two that was 2000

dinosaur was that what was that the next big release oops sorry i'm trying to play this jungle book so we can get a picture of the horror i see um so there were there were there was a version of the jungle book where they they had a a face, I guess, but the, there was an earlier version where there was no face and it was creepy. But, uh, but yeah, this would be the end of the Disney Renaissance, I believe, because this is Disney post Renaissance starts in 2000. Um, with, uh, no, I just know Tarzan is the, is the end. You consider in that it's, it's hand drawn.

It's still like, it's not, it's, is Tarzan well-regarded? Where do we, where does everybody land on Tarzan? Well, it's not, I don't even think it's like a consideration. I thought that this was just the way they were deemed. Like, I thought that was just the eras. I didn't know it was, is it up for debate? Well, I'm talking personal take-out. How does everybody feel about the film Tarzan?

I remember, I saw saw I've seen it once We did not own it on VHS I saw it I remember Liking it but I remember it was what 97 or 98 99 Is it 99 geez I remember Thinking I didn't need those animals Talking I remember

But I remember thinking it was kind of a decent like Almost adultish cartoon like a More of a you know a little bit more of a mature kind of a story there's a hanging in it for god's sake was there yeah the bad guy gets hanged at the end i believe no is that right kevin can you confirm how many this is gonna be my role someone was killed-checking me. Someone was killed. Yeah, no, I can't confirm that that happened. It also starts with a double murder. And then it's not just like by the tiger, I believe.

And then the tiger chases after Tarzan. So it wasn't just like an off-screen, and then the ship didn't make it. It was like, oh, no, this tiger murdered your parents, and then this tiger is going to chase You for the rest of the like Chases the I liked it I remember liking it but I

Didn't it didn't make such a Crazy impression on me I thought The Phil Collins song was fine I like the Phil Collins song now but it's It was not such a big moment in my Life yes Multiple songs my friend Excuse me I'm just saying the big one You big moment in my life. Yes. The whole thing. Multiple songs, my friend. Sorry, excuse me.

I'm just saying the big one, You'll Be In My Heart. Yes. I refuse to acknowledge one as better than the others. I'm so sorry. They are all equally amazing. They're one distinct musical piece, like Queen's Night at the Opera. It's a sweet. It's all one thing.

Yeah, yeah. So, You'll Be In My Heart won the Academy Award for Best Original Song that year, as well as a Golden Globe. Beating out South Park's Blame Canada and Amy Mann's Save Me. Was this a correct decision today? That's a good question. Now, I will say, since watching this, I have had these songs stuck in my head for a few days. But beating out Save Me is...

Save Me is a really great song. Son of Man, not in consideration, although the General Tarzan soundtrack did win a Best Original Soundtrack Grammy. So in that regard, the entire suite was represented. So Phil Collins raking in awards from this score how many times can i burst into one of the phil collins how many times can i do a terrible phil collins impression before people will stop listening and unsubscribe from my videos um i was i was threatening the same thing in the episode uh to my wife who encouraged me uh to not but i i kept thinking if somebody if one of you presented a factoid of something interesting i wanted to i

wanted to always go i want to know and show me i want to know about the tarzan rock show uh my so my personal thing with Tarzan... What is it? I want to know. There we go. I'm glad I could set you up. It's already old. Much like I cannot remember if I saw this show,

I cannot remember if I saw the movie in theaters. I believe we had the soundtrack, because I mean, the soundtrack sold a lot of copies on vinyl uh yeah probably a vinyl that's the best way to hear a son of man's longer uh trash in the camp really pops neil young was really mad about the son of man's audio quality when it was on mp3 yeah that's why you don't get pono for we were a cassette family for too long my mother would not budge from the cassettes what year did you get a cd player i when i was in eighth grade so like probably 98 99 oh really yeah wow and i had to argue for it like i had to to uh fight for it um so yeah i but my my childhood association with tarzan was the johnny weiss

mueller animatronic in the great movie ride but i those were not the movies i saw i saw it out uh you know singing in the rain i did not seek out the johnny weiss mueller tarzan but so i i really didn't give you a craving for you didn't leave disney world going more weissmuller mother weissmuller more jane um no not really and i think even as like a kid because what i would have been just starting high school i i think i would have been coherent and not to go like this this uh tarzan have dreadlocks is this a white guy with dreadlocks you knew this was cultural appropriation even in uh even at 13 or whatever well i don't think we used that term back then but i think i just knew like oh this is weird that this is going to be a one of the biggest movies of the year and uh sure yeah it Mm hmm. Why the marriage of Phil Collins and Tarzan?

Like musically, these things don't really overlap. I don't I think he did. I think he made an admirable attempt at being the omniscient musical narrator of the tale. If you haven't seen Tarzan, the characters don't sing. He just sings for them. I don't know. I think it's an interesting choice all I said was an admirable attempt I'm not saying yeah it was good although the academy uh said as as much uh um hey can I say this a little bit of Phil Collins Oscar trivia

that it was interesting to me uh he was nominated for Against All Odds in 1985 in a stacked year. Other nominees, Let's Hear It for the Boy, Footloose, I Just Called to Say I Love You. And there's another really good one. Oh, Ghostbusters. Wow. That's got to be one of the best five ever in that category uh and the academy looked at who was who was nominated and uh and they said this phil collins now who is this oh he's one of the most popular musicians of the time well look we're really more of a movie award show and i don't know if we want this music guy uh

having a big presence on our show meanwhile phil collins had right rerouted his tour to uh to like i'm gonna cancel some dates so that i can be at the oscars he's there can't wait to perform the academy says no you can't and they got some friggin choreographer to sing against all odds instead of him and he's just sitting in the audience watching a performance which if you watch it is terrible it's an awful performance in the same year that ray parker jr who for some reason was allowed to perform yeah like what what is that logic and denise williams performed there they count as movie people but the academy is like can't wrap their heads around getting phil collins to actually play so he's sitting there he's watching this meanwhile ray parker jr does

this really bizarre ghostbusters performance that's interrupted by like borscht belt three stooges ghostbusters who are dressed of course in the iconic bright blue shiny uniforms with a giant silver shoulder pads yeah why ray why? Ray Parker at one point shoots magic out of his finger like Mickey and blows up a ghost. So Oscars are over. Phil Collins loses to I Just Called to Say I Love You.

They ask him, what'd you think of the performance of your song? He said, it was shit, but I'm kind of glad I didn't have to perform after what they made ray parker do so they just totally pissed all over if like if you're watching the current academy awards debacle and thinking that's the worst thing the academy's ever done yeah yeah i don't like the the academy words have always been really wrongheaded and stupid but could you imagine

them now so desperate for ratings going like lady Lady Gaga, you are not singing shallow. Absolutely not. Well, I don't know. Their decisions have been so inexplicable and shitty lately. No, I think today they would just give like 30 minutes of the broadcast to Phil Collins. You'll come, whatever you want, please. It'll be after our tribute to the Lifetime Achievement Award for Bryan Singer. Kevin, you were saying? Quick thing on Ray Parker Jr. before this goes away forever. No, please.

I share revenue. So whenever someone copyright claims a video for music or video, they have options. They can either take all my money or they can put a copyright strike on me. They can do nothing or they can share revenue. So we both receive revenue. I've had none of those things happen, maybe ignoring, but only one time have I shared revenue with anything. And that person is Ray Parker Jr. for the Ghostbusters Spooktacular episode of Defunctland. What's interesting is it's not a company. So it's not like Universal Media Corp. It is Ray Parker Jr. So if you click on that video, what comes up, it says you're sharing revenue with Ray Parker Jr. And it's the funniest just

image. Oh, so you just got an email one day saying there it's the funniest image. Wow, really weird. You just got an email one day saying there's been a copyright claim. Oh, what, by BMI? No, by Ray Parker Jr. By Ray Parker Jr. Not a company at all. And he didn't want all the money. He just wanted to share some of it.

Hey, that's nice. Canny business man. That's so strange. Wow. On the Tarzan thing, and before I forget this too, I, I, so it's, it's interesting. We have a running theme of improving, um, the, uh, of improving like episodes through this podcast for some reason I was looking up and so I was going to make a joke.

I was like, you know, it sounds like Phil Collins is improving these lines in lines in the like in the songs because he because some of them don't make sense he's like in learning you will teach and in teaching you will learn like you know like it's like the uh the dana carvey chopping broccoli where he's making up the song on the spot with record executives over his shoulder but that is how he came up with some of these songs yeah I just read that it came from improv sessions

and his reactions while reading the treatment so he literally got up there and he's like sun man sky and then he's like I'm gonna sky in the next one or I'm assuming he's British or something and uh i mean this whole thing yeah yeah um you know it's you know it's strange to to tie back in the copyright claim thing i have some experience with uh specifically the song two worlds and the performance of it in this uh video uh uh for any any listeners who are

the rare beautiful bird of who is a fan of both podcasts and the Clip Cup franchise, there is a video that I did. The full title, Clip Cup 4.Live Campus Klimpus. A live edition of a video series I was part of.

It was a live show, so we needed to finish it with a big glorious spectacular finale. And this was shot where I went to college, Loyola Marymount. We finished this thing with a huge performance of Two Worlds by Phil Collins, which we wanted to do a sound alike, just something with the Two Worlds vibe. Out of nowhere, this thing feels like Tarzan rocks all of a sudden. do a sound alike uh uh you know just like something with the two worlds vibe just make this for out of nowhere this thing feels like tarzan rocks all of a sudden uh we realized what sound alike is ever going to give you the pure raw magic of two worlds one family uh with

what that did result in is the video being pulled from funny or dice youtube channel due to a copyright claim by by filcons maybe not fil's himself but by whatever uh whatever owns the uh uh well disney i i would imagine yeah uh anyway if now you want to see an even more stirring performance of two worlds uh then the tarzan rocks version uh it's exclusively available on viewboo.com v-i-o-o-b-u.com two worlds one family uh anyways uh litigiousness uh runs uh rampant and uh many pieces of work um so but i because of that i i i do have this fondness particularly for for two worlds there's something sort of like i don't know which what song do we like the most out of these if you had to declare one uh you'll be i think i like the you'll be in my heart so still you'll be in my heart i have the toughest time with that one's kind of like a little like uh i don't know that's that's like a sleepy ballad to me i think i discovered i think i

actually ended up over researching this dig and uh i want to know can you show me that's not the name i know i like that too though i don't want to put it i don't it's not like by heads and shoulders like in my mind sure all in the same zone of you know kevin i feel like you're not a fan of any of this from no no i love them all that's the thing is the only the saving grace of this film because i remember seeing it and being like uh why is this why do they make a sad version of george of the jungle um i mean Jungle? Which I think came out before, right? Is that right? Right around the same time. Right around the same time.

And apparently Brendan Fraser did read for Tarzan. No. No, it was Tarzan. But ended up doing... You know who it is? It's the actor who plays the president on Scandal. Oh. Yeah.

Strange. I forget his name, but I thought that was just such an odd thing. Oh, right. Yeah. Also, if you go to the Wikipedia page, the story by credit is given to 9, 12, 15, 18, 21 people have story by credits on Tarzan. Wow. Wow. 21.

And this being, you know, an old book, like how many people needed to crack the story. And this being an old book, how many people needed to crack the story of a pre-existing old book? Right, yeah. Well, I mean, I guess back in the day, Michael Eisner wanted to get rid of this when he came into the company, but when they were making really great movies in the

Dark Age, after Disney's death, they were doing it the way they always had, which is they just had the halls lined with paper. And just like that every single frame or every storyboard or the animatics they created, they didn't write scripts. And if they needed to change something in the story, they just walked down the hall and changed that part of the story and put up a new piece of paper with what's happening on screen. Oh, gotcha. So it might be a situation like that. But sorry, back to the soundtrack.

I don't want to keep derailing because i'm just reading this fascinating wikipedia page well i yeah that wikipedia page i the filmmakers talk so much about two worlds one family is really the core idea of the movie and it just gets repeated so much every all the writing about the movie it's like you have to understand that the hands the symbol the symbol is the hands two worlds one fat line it's just like jesus christ on the head family and then in the show of course but by the way i don't know how much we've said this is like not so much this is if you've seen like the beauty and the beast musical at disney uh where it's nothing like that it's not like that no no that's what i'm saying is there's you know it's not like a seat a series of scenes from the film condensed into a live show this is a rock concert all right there's a band visible on stage and when they and about a couple

songs in they introduce themselves and they say that this is the two worlds concert tour where we all come together for this journey to begin can i can i describe the first like five minutes of this performance because i've watched it like 20 times and i'm like i just do yeah um on the soundtrack i do love the soundtrack i cannot i can only remember the song i've heard last because they all sound the same to me until I hear them. And then like. It's just like, yeah, it's just a heartwarming belting. And if anything I've learned from Tarzan Rocks, it's that these songs are only good if Phil Collins is singing them.

Yeah, it's the only thing that works about that soundtrack. And when it's kind of like three barely harmonizing, you know, Florida performers. Yeah, it's rougher. Phil Collins has figured out the encryption of music and that no cover will even be possible if if it's not sung by him he's created a musical style that only works with his voice um but but the uh I guess the first five minutes the the it starts with saying like ladies and gentlemen welcome to Tarzan Rocks and it's it's in the theater in the wild which is currently where Finding Nemo the musical is just at the stage um This is pre-Everest or I think that's where, yeah, which it's like,

you know, this is Animal Kingdom and it's not a zoo still. And so you have the guy come on, you have Tarzan rocks and big letters. Also, this is not enclosed. I should mention that because there's, you know, back in the day, this thing was not Finding Nemo the musical. It wasn't all enclosed. So you are outside technically it's an open-air amphitheater like the hollywood bowl i mean i mean sir yeah i mean it's a concert it's a concert for this the two worlds tour am i at leeds am i at live at leeds with the who is this the isle of right

this place looks rocking you're at bonnaroo man and it's it starts similar to how mickey's fill our magic starts in that there's like there's characters off screen so if mickey's farm magic starts with you know goofy being like and he like you know walks up the stairs and does all that it's it's cool this one does not start like that this one starts with audio clips from the movie nothing has indicated that the show is starting these people might as well be saying like put on your 3d glasses or watch out but it's like literally just clips of being like tarzan he's he's he's a man and it's like it's like unrelated and then the the characters like come through the aisles like the and i guess this is when we can we can

someone else can describe because i'm not going to do it justice what these these animals i guess uh the trapeze artists or the roller skaters i don't know someone please help me to describe this okay so they're kind of like they kind of look like um the morlocks in any production of uh the time machine be it stage or screen like they're kind of ape like but they're also kind of like just generic like there's i mean they're supposed to look like great apes but they are on rollerblades they they kind of look like the shrub people who uh hide in yards and uh uh like like as part of a SWAT team and attack people but if they shave it's just like 70 percent of their on-body shrubbery yeah like a ghillie suit yeah they're svelte ghillie suits mixed with rollerblades I just immediately was like oh starlight express yeah big time oh

putties like some of the power rangers putties. The Power Rangers had, yeah, in case you don't know, goons that were called putties. Like the Ninja Turtles had foot soldiers and they were just people that were going to get the shit kicked out of them. But yeah, they were very scary looking. And in the movie they looked a little better. A little darker, a little better. That's kind of what these guys look like. Yeah. So they're running around.

And the stage just gets populated yeah just it's it's already full and the immediately immediately full just just so we're clear tarzan does not show up until 14 minutes what no we're on minute three of my explanation We're on minute three The leaves Annie leaves about three minutes later Tarzan barely present in Tarzan Rocks It's really weird But who is present is like

A guy who I Describe as a glam Ryan Stiles That's the singer Of the band My description would be Craig Kilborn Just regular with no regular while people are doing cirque de soleil-esque acrobatics everywhere on stage like this is also not to jump around too much because kevin i think you were building to the moment where

yeah there's acrobat there's ropes uh and skaters like what's going on if we walked into a cirque de soleil franchise what's happening and then a big guitar hit a second curtain opens behind the first curtain or it's more of a tarp drops revealing scaffolding with a multi-layer scaffolding with a bunch of musicians on it. And it's very much in that Jesus Christ Superstar. Yes. Molds where the musicians are on stage. This isn't some Rodgers and Hammerstein. There is rock on stage with you.

And scaffolding also of the time rent. I believe rent uses scaffolding as a set that that's a very 90s uh thing it's very renty and i imagined somebody in the disney organization having to pitch like there's something there's a movement happening in new york theater right now i don't know if you know about it there's this little play uh called rent and it has revolutionized the way people are having to bring the bringing the culture of rent to the family friendly organization of Disney. It's like a model and they like pull it, pull it off like multi-tiered staging. But wait a minute, that's just scaffolding.

Why haven't you dressed it yet? No, no, no, no, no, no. Also that this is a musical yeah like you i don't know if we fully explain the beauty and the beasts like show that used to be at mgm studio is it still there at hollywood studios probably i mean that's that's the the that's tony backs the book report kind of version like the abridged version you get the story you get the song sort of with with a show though it is kind of be a book report yeah i uh but this is more like a jukebox music like like a leader of the pack or like whatever that billy joe one what moving out uh uh like this jersey boys the spirit the spirit of it

and it's it's a uh menagerie of songs there i, a young ape man with my whole life ahead of me. Little Johnny Tarzan. Yeah. And I have to give Disney credit. Like, you pay for Phil Collins, you want to get your money's worth. You know, you want to get those songs in there. You want to get your use of them. So we kick immediately into two worlds but as kevin said

a little a little it's not the vocal force of phil we've got craig kilbourne he's backed up by like uh choice of their style i wrote down they're kind of like meredith brooks the singer of the song bitch yeah yeah there's two meredith brother and they're in like leather trench coats and bustiers it yeah i don't know how the stage is full and that's the thing that i can't get over is how full this stage is very busy yeah uh very busy i mean this is a great encapsulation of a thing i think i've brought up before which is like the the theme park idea of rock and roll like it's where it's very it's it's inoffensive it's got the tenets of rock and roll but there's nothing really it just kind of is it works with the basics such as coming out asking how people are doing receiving a response saying i think you can do better than

that asking again and the response being higher uh the to answer your question the backup singer is like kind of pirate-esque like a lot of lacy like long slipping sleeves you know in general this video reminded me of the thing that we experienced in buena park california the pirates dinner adventure and that it has people on ropes and acrobatics, and it made me wonder why we, as a society, don't value acrobats more. Why are we not impressed by acrobatics? I know it's really hard to do.

It's so impressive, the all-around body strength of these people, and yet a theme park show with a ton of acrobatics, you leave going, eh, it's okay. Well, i would argue that perhaps this is not on the artistic level of a cirque de soleil that would be my argument sure this might not be a show as well thought out as something the tarzan and jane stuff with the um the silk where i forget what that term exactly is but they're using the sheet they. They are like just holding themselves up and soaring around the stage with these sheets and they're just wrapped around their arms.

There was a very similar part, exactly the same, I guess, in the Pirate's Dinner adventure. It was impressive there. It's a very impressive thing. It's used to convey, I think, lovemaking. I think it's a sex, like it's a stand-in for that but it is a

very physically impressive feat those of us who've had sex know that when you have it it feels exactly like soaring through the clouds while gripping onto a fabric yeah yeah and you yeah your massive uh forearm strength is required it is interesting it's all in the forearms it's all in the forearms the dulcet tones of a khaki wearing open shirted man khaki what yeah uh semi-formal like this is this is uh me going out to a semi-formal dance i really did not want to be at in high school why do you think there was a version of tarzan rocks on the in the blue sky period where this man had a tarzan outfit on at least like a loincloth type thing i would imagine that would have to have been like a certain point they're like well let's make it a kind of a

jungle band as opposed to dress like mark mcgrath yes you're right to use him a very mcgrath as well well the same guy who passionately pitched rent also said, there's a movement happening in music right now. Let me, two words, Sugar Ray. If we don't incorporate Sugar Ray into the parks, the teens are going to have our asses. It's a rare opportunity in a Disney show to see a performer wearing a big watch mostly doesn't happen mostly they got to leave their watches backstage yeah and he's really like showcasing the watch you know with a big fist and like pulling it down like look at the watch yeah yeah it is it's it's it's really bizarre. Kevin, we're watching this right now. Also, just on mute, which is perhaps the way you should watch Tarzan Rocks is on mute.

But just, you know, we're commenting on things sort of as we see them, one with guitar one with a bass but like that lame bass like the six string bit like the sting bass you know what i mean and it's like you gotta wear it way high up and that's not a cool look with for rock and roll for the most part i think and there are multiple guitar and bass solos in this and at one point i believe the rate rollerbladers jump over the guy doing a guitar solo and i think in the version i watched that the audience went nuts yeah yeah well that's yeah something's happened yeah because i i'm the the thing that still i mean if this was a comedy sketch if this was maybe something more free loose than snL but if this was like an actual comedy sketch there would be

like the monkey men doing roller skating would be how it starts and then the tarp reveal for the Phil Collins would be a good lead into the next one and then it would keep escalating with like you know there would be people dressed in giant gorilla costumes wearing like sunglasses like shooting guns into the air and then like the audience

would just be camels I mean it would just I mean it just it would keep escalating if it was like cartoon like you know adult swim like this is something you know i'm just it's and it almost is there it almost gets there and the thing is that every time they bring a new element into the show they like half it like these roller skating moves aren't that impressive other than the one where they jump over but like they're really just like going up the ramp and then they're going down the ramp like okay i just watched one that was pretty impressive but most of the time they're doing what you expect out of a rollerblader and not above and beyond i would like to pitch you if you're talking about like

plussing it and adding it i want uh poachers on unicycles missing component here yeah see yeah stuff like that would totally totally fit with this if this was made up like if this was made for the purpose of being ridiculous and humor uh yeah yeah sorry i keep going no go ahead i'm i was just gonna say i think like the movie this show should start with two murders i think that that would be a really exciting way to get it started uh and it can be it can be you know shown through acrobatics it doesn't have to be a graphic thing okay somehow we have not discussed uh tarzan tarzan like edgar rice burroughs it is so weird disney and i like the mid to late times like we gotta make tarzan this thing originally

published in the 19 teens and but everyone is obsessed with everyone a few years ago yeah there was yeah with christoph waltz was the bad guy i forget which hunk was tarzan but like tarzan occupies a very weird space where uh the the themselves, along with the early John Carter novels, also written by Edgar Rice Burroughs, are in the public domain, but the characters are trademarked. So it gets weird. So like, if you want to make a Tarzan movie or spin or something, you may still have to pay the Burroughs estate some money. And the other thing about tarzan and this is one of my favorite uh wikipedia isms where they just kind of drop in phrases like this um uh and this this was about uh in the the tarzan movie uh page another issue with tarzan was the inherent and overt racism in the original

anchor rice burrows tarzan the writers consciously chose to not include any african characters in and overt racism in the original Edgar Rice Burroughs Tarzan. The writers consciously chose to not include any African characters in order to avoid this topic, which, yeah, that brings up a point. It's all white people in this Tarzan movie, in the Disney Tarzan movie. Not in the band, though. Yeah. No, not in the band. The band is very diverse. Yes. Are the singers white khaki guys

sure but uh you know if you want to channel mark mcgrath that's what you got to do i think obviously they were taking some of the problems from the movie and they were improving upon it here at the tarzan rocks so you could say it's sort of the perfect version of tarzan they spent three minutes of this thing just undressing jane just like oh yeah jane i mean very impressed she does do like two costume changes like behind like the big sheets with that that always makes me nervous in shows like oh god you have to change like you have to do a quick change on stage and it's part of it with multiple cues like that's impressive yeah and and it kind of as as terrible as this is you know that the point where she takes off the final layer and she then like was looking around

and has that weird clipboard that she's running around with to like it's supposed to look like a book but it's definitely just like a folder um is that she keeps like running in the monkey man on stage like kind of get in her way and they like corner her and circle her and tarzan comes and saves her and if you remember back to spider-man rocks there is a very problematic uh scene that is very similar with uh mary jane and the alleyway do you know you remember what i'm talking about oh, I guess it's a little bit. Yeah, those are kind of those are sort of like street rapists. I don't I don't quite recall. Oh, no, you don't. OK, well, go back. And I think I read somewhere was like a huge issue, like behind the scenes of the show. If not that, it's just like like today. It's totally crazy. It's like it's very cartoony and odd and weird anyways but the uh but yeah no i'm just like probably you are i don't know what point you are i'm just i'm watching this this mess yeah we're out of sync here we're watching uh we're watching flips we're watching uh well this i don't tarzan rocks 2005 this is 12 10 into the video what's the time code can you show me

this is uh in the same year um well not 2005 but in 99 when this opened uh just up uh i4 there was uh i believe oh no that came later in the early two there was a like skateboard rollerblade show at islands of adventure in their massive amphitheater that is mostly used for special events now the uh state of rollerblading in theme parks is dire today and we need to keep this tradition another proposal of a season for you kevin is rollerblading in in the theme park world all of season six is about land skates yes you had now you have your arc with like a backwards d and like a slash through the e yeah um can i get that time code oh it's 1308 right now

just like trevor moore every version of him in the show it looks just like trevor moore because you expect because in the cartoon it's like a very it's a very cartoonish chiseled jaw wide jawed kind of character and this one is just like a white guy with long hair and all i think about is trevor moore and how much he looks like this one that i'm watching looks like trevor more whitest kids you know trevor now if trevor more yeah that yeah why does he know trevor more for sure but i will say this guy is jacked this tarzan is jacked so they got you know they got a hunk from florida so finally something for the moms yeah and now jane's here for the dads um well well uh no parasol

lady my ultimate fantasy office max binder that they have like a dozen of backstage so in case it gets misplaced they have identical ones this strikes the whole thing strikes me as and i don't have any information to back this up But wanting to appeal More to mom and dad this may be especially Dad because like with kids if I was A kid and I like Tarzan I just want to see Tarzan I just want to see the characters I don't give a shit About a band I don't care about the singer

That isn't in the movie But they must have been like well you know this is a more Engaging thing because Animal Kingdom is a little more adult Park they must have like Kind of trying to been catered to like a more adult audience. I'm guessing that's a guess. But do dads like 90s Phil Collins? Some dads do.

Some dads do. I'm just saying that was probably their thought process because you would just go with a pretty straight ahead Tarzan show. I would think I understand they don't have the problem that the characters don't sing. I think. Yeah, I want to see the character. If I was a don't have the problem that the characters don't sing I think yeah I Want to see the care if I was kid I want To see the characters if it's going to be mostly Music I want to be encouraged to sing Along right

Okay not me Jace but like as I feel like there's a lot of sing along stuff In the well am I wrong Happen because yeah if we Jump around a little bit the audience Of course gets a big chance to get involved with the performance of Trash in the Camp, which is when our beloved Turk comes out. Who has a headset mic on. Yes, that's the best part.

Yes. Yes. The Rosie O'Donnell monkey in a headset mic, similar to today's hit TV series, The Masked Singer, in which the microphones are useless because the people have to be mic'd on the inside. Or in this case, Turk is probably re-recorded by a Rosie O'Donnell soundalike. And she gets this great intro of, you've seen her in the film. Now see her like you've never seen her before. Give it up for Turk. Comes out of that so mike the audience is divided into uh into sections and uh you know one half does and the other half does

and this proceeds for in my in my memory uh 75 minutes I I truly hate that in any live performance where it's like all right like how long it takes to go like okay so this half of the audience is gonna say waboo and this half is gonna say wabah and I hate

you see me like sometimes like hosts do that to pump up like it's like there's their hosting to promote a show in a few day and they're like pump up the crowd and it takes so long and it kind of works when turk hosts ucb shows that's how she plays it well turks always a hit i like turks uh did you never go to a oh sorry i cut you no go ahead i was gonna say did you ever go to a ben folds show with just him and the piano where he'd make you do the horn part to Army? That's the best version.

Army and what's the other one? Not the same. Not the same, yeah. No, that's the best version of it because he's actually teaching you octaves. That's true. There's a little more going on than just skibby-deep. I'd also like to point out that the... Do you guys know about the recorded version of Trash in the Camp?

The Phil Collins version of Trash in the Camp, as opposed to the film one. No, I don't. Why he couldn't do that alone to tear apart a whole jungle campsite. He needed help from his boys and NSYNC. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. And everybody seems phil seems very like gunpoint about it he's like they wanted to do a pop version and i you know i thought i had to you know do

something uh different uh and he never goes on to say and the in sync boys are brilliant and i had a great time uh that does not happen there's more reciprocal love the other way where jc jose says something about you know when you get a call to be part of a phil collins song you're like uh yeah i think so big jc really selling it also in the video, super like bad era of Timberlake, bleach blonde. It looks like Stan. It was his Stan era. That's a rough vid. But I guess I'd rather watch Phil and NSYNC scat than how this plays out in the Orlando show. Yeah.

Are you synced up with us now, Kevin? They're in the rope. They're making love, I think, at this point. No. There's a big circular sheet that some dancers are spinning around. It's like a kindergarten game. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Can I get a time code?

Oh, yeah. We're at 1847 right now. 1847. I'm trying. So that was like they were swinging around on those ropes they didn't have any harnesses on they were just solely holding themselves like it is like so horrifying do you know about the accident oh oh god no i want to know can you show me yeah there was an accident and i found it because all i all i could find it was on a message board because somebody.

Yes. So this is on mouse pad dot mouse planet dot com. Even even better. Yesterday, my in-laws and cheese trap slash ear holes. In the part of the scene of Tarzan meeting Jane, he prepares to swing on a vine. Oh, this is before this. On a hydraulic lift wire and soar above the stage and crowd before picking up

Jane and doing the same. At this showing, Tarzan was lifted about 20 feet in full swing when the wire gave way and dropped him to the stage risers where he crashed into the legs of the musicians. He stood up and exited stage right. Janeane after witnessing this ran off stage left and the curtain immediately closed a voice stated dear guest due to unforeseen

circumstances this showing of tarzan rocks is immediately canceled and there were this was not the only message board post about this incident there were other messages i found another post from a different i think it was let's see the dis boards.com i found and i'm not making that up that's not that that that they also somebody was like is that guy okay does anybody know and like no one had any information i think they were saying he was okay walked off on his own uh Well, but sometimes you stand up and you pass out dead a few minutes later. I guess so. Yeesh. Dude, was there a third account on mousesnout.com?

Mousesnout did not have. I didn't go back in the archives on Mousesnout. That's a premium site, Scott. Mousesnout. You got to pay $15 a month. I've been paying $15 a month ever since 99. Yeah, I'm going broke because of mouse snout uh you could have bought three seesaws for that about like you know i they were running this show

multiple times a day for uh seven years so i guess that is like accidents are going to happen just statistically you don't have to be pr for disney here no but i mean i don't i don't know well people i feel like when there's accident people in the past have been like why didn't you talk about this accident on this ride or worst case like why didn't you talk about this death and it's like well it's a little ghoulish to jump uh right to that and then jump back into jokes but this sounds like an accident it sounds like people were okay funny accidents that's why i read it yeah well the yes immediately saying immediately canceled uh yeah did sort of yeah that tips it into funny i wish they'd kept going and just all right so uh exit to the back of the theater remember uh trust your heart let fate decide

i kind of wish they went up to the guy with the open shirt the lead singer and been like you're gonna have to fill in buddy you're gonna have to do the the swinging with jane and the whatever the material on the ceiling grab hold of this fabric and we're gonna pull you up i don't know yeah come on you've seen the show a bunch of times you can do it he grabs like his pants the knees and he goes i knew i wore these for a reason to say and unzips his full-length khakis to reveal khaki shorts unzips yeah remember those were big for a while the khakis that had zippers like at the knees and then you could make them short you would zip off the legs and they would be shorts i sure do jason i think i may have been to disney world circa 2000 and worn pants very much like that.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't think I ever owned any, but I remember admiring. Like, that's very utilitarian. Very smart. Very cool. Very cool. And you would beg your mom for 10 years before you finally got some.

Yeah. Begrudgingly buying them at Old Navy the cheapest store available we had a lot of Old Navy yeah any fond pants memories Kevin that's my in this conversation I can't talk about anything else this is my only segue

unless it's about khakis I have no khakis information that is relevant to the discussion. I did find a... I forgot to go through my proper channels of research for this episode, so sorry to me. Sorry from me. But I did do it just now, and I have found the press release. I don't know if you already found this from May of 2000 for the show. Oh, please.

Yeah. So I read through it. It's very short. And this is my here's a few of my favorite quotes. This is the writer and director of the show. He said, if I had only one word to describe the show, it would be fun. There's so much going on up on stage and defending on where you sit, you will see a different show, which is so true. Because at times I feel like two different people wrote two different shows and they just did both of them because it feels like there is a rock show, just a classic like rock and roll. We don't need acrobats.

We got our guitars, man. We don't need to. We can can shred we don't need shred on skates we can shred on this guitar right here like classic guy and there's another person saying no we got monkey acrobats we got roller skates we got people swinging on vines we got tarzan we got turkey she has a microphone and they're like you know what we'll do both and let's just put them everywhere because it's the funniest thing is in the in the video first video i watch where they have two different angles they keep cutting back and forth which doesn't work because there's two different shows and two different casts um but the uh but it was funny is they keep cutting to different areas of things that are happening at the same time so it'll cut to like tarzan and he lands and in the back phil collins is still going and then it'll cut to like tarzan and he lands in the back phil collins is still going

and then it'll cut to like a person and he's like he flies up and you realize after like the first 20 minutes of the 30 minute show you're like this is all happening at the same time this isn't just like a highlight reel like this is just chaos on stage yeah to to to direct a video of this you know the guy who put this on youtube did an admirable job because I think if you had 12 cameras to cover this, could you really do it justice? There's like, how could you possibly cover everything? It's two shows, one family. The second interesting thing about this article is they say that the reason they had skaters is because the skaters were the animation reference for tarzan sliding on the tree trunks in the movie oh interesting so that's just a fun fact um and then this is fun yeah

that's just that's actually like a solid fact like a fun fact that reminds me of one that i love which is that the how the inspiration for aladdin was hammer with his big pants and shuffling around and he's faster than lightning. And that's how a little street rat could hop around evading police and stealing bread. Which Hammer also had to do

when his finances hit the fan. Once his cartoon went off the air. Hammer also the inspiration for Hammer man little known facts and then the final interesting tidbit of this is that uh uh tarzan this is the last line tarzan rocks is expected to stay at the animal kingdom for about three years it doubled its expected life like expectancy uh which is amazing because i've never seen this before where they say like yeah it's only going to be here for a few years like as of like why they put an expiration date on the

press release i guess oh yeah yeah it doesn't indicate confidence does it and well the other but the what they were confident at the beginning because this opened like less than a month after the movie i think yeah like the movie came out in June This opened in July Like so they had to Prep this Like simultaneously With the movie release Well it's not nearly

As impressive As The Legend of the Lion King Which came out Months before The Lion King came out Which showed at The Fantasyland Theater Where Phil Armagic

Currently is They had a Lion King show And that It was puppets And clips from the movie And that came out Before the release Of The Lion King Wow is that true And they had like Did they have and that it was puppets and clips from the movie and that came out before the release of the lion king wow is that true and they had like did they hit all the songs in it and stuff too yeah the whole thing you saw the whole movie before the lion king was released

that's wow i didn't know that well we talked about on the animal king uh animal kingdom like kind of overview episode uh it's tough to be a bug opened months and months before a bug's life hit theaters at like black Friday. So the dinosaur, right. You were spoiled at the Lion King show. So, you know, you knew everything that happened. Unlike there's a big spoiler of a puppet show. Yes.

Yeah. A big spoiler puppet show. I would never do that now. No, no. They just, they just had that, that, that 20 VFX guys losing their minds, creating red herrings and trailers, and then getting the entire internet to attack them for it. Yeah.

Who did they cut out of? Pride Rock. Who is he holding up? Well, I mean, what do those people go home like? What do you do for a living? Oh, I create red herrings and movie trailers to throw off audiences and tick off fan bases. What? It would be very funny when the Aladdin movie comes out and he isn't blue at all and he's just a man.

He is just like, hey, what's up? And then people like, what the hell? I would love it if he just if Aladdin rubs the lamp and then a Toyota Corolla just pulls into like a genie gets out of it. Or a stagecoach. Like if genie just drove a car yeah to wild wild west sure oh i mean if jim west if they can tie together the jim west mythology well they can't because the genie is supposed to be self-referential i i hope all of his pop culture references are just will smith movies Oh, yeah. Hope this goes better than After Earth.

Wild, wild west. When I roll into the wild, wild west. Oh, my gosh. What part are you at? Oh, the thing's over. We just went back. It was over. I went back to 1532.

They're looking at the notebook. Jane is explaining how binders work. She's got a trapper keeper i think please go to 27 15 and just press play 27 15 all right here we are you get a great wide shot of the stage and all the crap that's going on and then there's something happens it's amazing turk just walks in front of the camera oh yeah yeah we saw that there's a lot of that two of the performers did that too in another

part of the video where it's like if they saw a video camera they would kind of play to it we're gonna have to post multiple versions this one that we're watching and then the other one with the unnerving like two different hosts simultaneously cut together and one of them kind of looks like Phil Collins and the other one with the unnerving like two different hosts simultaneously cut together and one of them kind of looks like phil collins and the other looks nothing like

phil collins yeah because he's got the shaved head yeah and every every time i watch no matter what performance i watch it always feels like a like an improv group that you're watching to where like it's fine but if you really look into the people on stage you can tell that they don't like each other plus that they're ready to attack one another for things they're doing during the performance like right after this they're like what the hell was that and they're just going to throw their skates

down every night sorry on improv groups gentlemen I improvised together for many many, and it's 100% true. Whoops, sorry. I kind of forgot about that. We have so much contempt for each other by the end of the run.

Do you think Turk was stronger with initiations or third beats? Or was Turk's strength lower? Turk was not very good, but had a lot of ideas about theory. He was great with support moves, though. Yeah, it was good. He would dress, he would say, we're in a diner, or we cut to a diner. He would do any of those type of moves. We're in a camp, and we're trashing it.

Turk, you've given a suggestion the last 12 shows. Okay, can someone clarify, is Turk tarzan's mother or friend turk is rosy it's friend okay glenn close is tarzan's mother oh great bring it back around i know driver was the voice of jane that's good casting uh yeah and the and not a Turk is not to be confused with the characters from Disney's Dinosaur Yar Kron or Plyo

Turk is not Kron I don't want to say this again I confuse Turk with Plyo a lot Plyo I confuse Turk and Plyo a lot easy to confuse by the way also just to not shoot past the fact that there was a Phil Collins, Rosie O'Donnell collab. Let's not miss that fact in this world.

And in sync. On the same track. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Finally, they all met. A bunch of cutie patooties if there ever were do you think i would bet money that someone involved in this movie at some point said the like the phrase of like you know as we are about to

enter the millennium we need to remember two worlds one family now more than ever like you know they must have laid it on yeah why 2k well let's also let's not forget i was also recalling this on my instagram recently with the super bowl having just passed that there was a stirring performance of two worlds on the super bowl halftime show for the uh for the millennium celebration which was interspersed with very what you just said, Jason, essentially is said by a very sedate Edward James Olmos filmed in the closest shot in Super Bowl history. And what is Phil Collins wearing for his Super Bowl halftime platform? Khakis, you know it. And I think he might have those zippers that we were talking about, too. I think the ball that dropped on midnight, January 1st, 2000, was wearing a pair of khakis.

They changed it. The ball unzipped his two khaki legs, revealing fresh hip khaki shorts for this hip new millennium. Yeah, sorry. fresh hip khaki shorts for this hip new millennium um yeah sorry i just so much of this is is i mean i'm glad we picked this topic it's very ripe for this conversation it's been blessed yes for this platform the another thing i have to say about the the phil collins stand-in in this is you don't realize it until they start doing it and it takes you a bit but like they they all have choreographed beats to hit to where they're doing these very simple rock and roll dance moves so they'll do like you know pulling over your shoulder pulling over your shoulder now clap in the air like and they have to do that move at a very specific time

in every show what happens in between is up to them. So what happens is he's going to, he's like, you know, this is my moment. I'm rocking out. This crowd's really pumped. You know, this is almost the end of the best of two worlds tour or whatever the, not the best of two worlds, the whatever, the two worlds tour. He's like, I really got to do this. And so he's out there. He's like way out there. He's all the way at the front. He's on the edge of the stage. He's ready to take his shirt off. He's like, son of a, I got to go back there and do the over the shoulder, over the shoulder, clap in the way at the front he's on the edge of the stage he's ready to take his shirt off he's like son of i gotta go back there and do the over the shoulder over the shoulder clap in the air and then he runs back and he's like over the shoulder over the shoulder clap in the air and then he's free to come back and like get in the way of the acrobats it's so funny because

it's like he only goes back to do like those few choreographed dance moves like pump to the right pump to the left step step step okay back on stage like it's yeah it's it must be a union thing so have fun with it but not too much fun with it those were his instructions because you probably would have you probably would have gotten yelled at if he didn't because like somebody choreographed this and like i'm always interested because i don't know the answer to this how much the director watches these shows because somebody is a director for them, but they run them five times a day. How often are they getting reprimanded for doing something bad? Like that Disney's California adventure,

Aladdin show, they ran five times a day. Was the director just would show up once a week to check in, to make sure that they were doing the right hand gestures in the right part. Like how often are these people getting checked out? So like, yeah, did he get reprimand?

I don't know the answer. I'm just asking this question. I'm sure an expert would know. I actually wanted to do the Aladdin show, but I stopped myself. I want, I don't know if you've done it already. Oh no, we will. That's a big one. We're bracing ourselves.

That show was incredible and I loved it. Like I'm still sad it's gone. And that's why I didn't want to do it because I just couldn't bring myself to make jokes about it because I think it's perfect. That's why I did not want you to talk about Tomorrowland 94 because I'm so attached to it. The futures that never were, I mean.

So that's a joke-free episode you're dictating now. Right, right, right. I'll call that out. No humor will be allowed. Bring me back. I have some notes. How do you want to do this? Do you want to like you go first and then I go?

Or just like the whole very, very strict and corporate about our very detailed opinions. No, but like Aladdin's great. It's still on the Disney Fantasy. You can still see the show, which is awesome. Oh, they just moved it to the boat. Mm hmm. Yeah. I don't know where you're scathing in from right now are you on

the disney fantasy right now does my audio quality sound like that i just imagine that's where you're making all of these videos you just booked a suite at on one of the disney boats i mean he's in like the captain's quarters maritime taxes are actually quite manageable um so you get tax breaks for making youtube videos at sea right exactly um yeah there is okay so i i'm sorry the tangents who cares right okay so the i i have taken disney cruises and they're amazing um they have this morning show they do and you can look it up on youtube it is the least produced disney thing you will ever see and it is hilarious every time

yeah the cruise directors will do one every morning so it seems or pretty much like every other morning they will you mean like a today show style morning a today show morning show of what's going on around the ship like let's go check out the Bippity Boppity Boutique every morning. And I don't know if they reuse certain parts, but, you know, they film these things in one take. If the camera moves, if it gets stepped on, it's OK. And they show them on your stateroom TV. It's incredible. Watch it.

Whoa. Now this maybe is your return. Scott heard video content. Poorly made video content. For a micro-specific location use. Yes, this is certainly my wheelhouse. Oh my God. Finally, my second Trojan horse.

Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's your Trojan horse into the second gate, I think. You needed one for both. All right, well well let's start wrapping it up final thoughts do you have any final thoughts i want to know can you show me i'm not gonna let this go um uh my fine i i this is this will help me years was it seven something like that seven seven years after people stopped thinking about Tarzan yeah I mean I like that it I wouldn't mind if it still existed honestly this is a this

is a fun thing I would annoy people with taking them to for sure so like I would I would like it if it was still there so I can't as much as we can goof on, like I can't put it down because this is like something I would go, hey, we could go to Tarzan Rocks and everybody would be like, oh my God. Because that's what happened with Aladdin show a lot where I go, we only go see Aladdin again. And people be like, no. And I'm about to be like this with Mickey's Mixed Magic, which I saw for the first time last week.

I just want to warn everyone. Like, you know, we should go over and see Mickey's Mixed Magic. So this is right up my alley. I can i've i've goofed on it enough uh i wish it still existed um uh i have i have a little plus set up something that it was just sitting there waiting to happen uh with this with a merger of tarzan and Phil Collins, I want a big gorilla playing in the air tonight, drum fill, like that British commercial that's sitting there waiting to happen. They don't even have to do the whole song if they want to avoid some copyrights,

if they don't want the legal arm of Phil Collins coming after him like they did, like happened to me. So that's sitting there, a 20-piece drum set gorilla playing it. Otherwise, perfect. I would have liked a little more lip service to me. So I wanted like twice as many Tarzan yells and I wanted the singing narrator guy to go like,

hey, what are you doing here? You're supposed to be at MGM Studios. You know, like a little bit of that 90s self-aware humor like a johnny weiss mueller that's a reference to like that he's referencing it's like hey you're supposed to be in the great movie ride right oh i can see i that's exactly what i can see the blank yeah you gotta fill it in a little bit yeah i gotta fill it in a little more all right that's thematically inconsistent um yes that's good that's yeah i mean 90s bringing him back yeah no i think it's funny though the yells that he they do is completely pre-recorded and plays on tape which is hilarious because the tarzan is more concerned about not dying than he is about making

sure that his lip syncing works so if you go back and watch it it's just like oh okay i gotta get this thing off and he just gives up and the the track keeps playing um but like should it still be around given what replaced it i wouldn't mind this still being around because at least it's crazy and fun and there's acrobats and things to watch because Finding Nemo the musical have you all seen Finding Nemo the musical I don't think I have I have not have you seen Finding Nemo the movie yes

take out all of the pauses add 12 songs and condense it to 40 minutes it is it is the fastest paced thing they're like we'll be damned if we don't get every single plot point in this 35, 40 minute show. But we are going to also add 12 songs. It is the most fast paced.

Like the mom dies. And then all of a sudden it's like, it's time for school. And then it's like, it's so quick and fun and terrible. But I mean, the puppetry is really cool. But I don't know. Theater in the Wild, Tarzan Rocks. I say stick with it i i think it would still work i like the idea of it so well why can't the two worlds tour

be a real tour why can't they send this on the road yeah bring it to yeah bring it to where we are in la and bring it to you on the boat bring it to the boat baby just a helicopter lands and to let tarzan swings down i mean they they did devo 2.0 with those kids i see no reason why they shouldn't do collins squared like phil collins tour uh fronted by children singing the tarzan songs. Collins. So the one man, Phil Collins is replaced by two young children who meet the new Phil Collins and it's two little girls. Yeah.

In learning you will teach. I mean the way everything's going with Disney obviously is that they're just pillaging their own history and they're making new live action versions so what are the chances that we get a new live action tarzan in the next few years they're pretty high pretty high so i don't think it would be out of the realm of possibility that

a version of this could come back or this maybe you know what a version this exact show exact show comes back same performers make it as a movie make this as a movie as well there's a mocap person playing the docker singer yes for some reason a like they need an old man mocaps themselves into a 32 year old florida singer we get some mecca soundboard. We get the Polar Express technology and I think that would be perfect. Plus you can pull from the direct to video sequels Tarzan and Jane and Tarzan 2 which was

a prequel of Child Tarzan. What? Yeah. This was the era of direct to DVD sequels. I think they should put all that stuff back into continuity honestly. I hope it's all on Disney+. Like Beauty and the Beast 3 and stuff. Yeah, Return of Jafar,

Aladdin 3. I love Return of Jafar. Where his dad comes back. Return of Jafar's not bad. I remember like Aladdin's kid. Oh yeah, and his dad was like hot. Yeah. Yeah, he had a hot dad. And Gilbert Gottfried has two songs in it. Oh. As a kid, I loved that Yago had two songs. Yeah, that is fun. Jafar had a yeah that is fun jafar had a hot dad no aladdin

yeah no all right well then that's my request my plus i also think jafar probably had a hot dad i want jafar to have a hot day yeah yeah jafar is a hot dad yeah that's true yep i guess he's he's creepy he's creepy he's a he's evil never mind please cut this up all right so yeah videos are back in uh in continuity i want to see jafar's hot dad and the tarzan uh feature film is tarzan rocks yes we've all agreed on many points, and I feel good about what we figured out. I think with that, Kevin Perjury, Survive Podcast, The Ride, thank you so much for being here. Let's exit through the gift shop. Is there anything you'd like to plug?

Yeah, go to YouTube.com slash Defunctland, Twitter.com slash Defunctland. Go check out the series if you haven't already. I'd really appreciate it. And if you are already watching, keep watching for that Ken Burns Vietnam where Michael Eisner returns and hopefully I can work in disgraced pervert

Senator Larry Craig. I'll pitch you one might be easier because Ken Burns did that incredibly, very good, but very long baseball documentary wide world of sports think about it okay yeah disney's round of sports i don't know much about it um yeah i want to yeah let's have an eight part series about a defunct gymnasium yeah this is a atlanta breeze spring training there for years This is the last season I believe

Okay we had Defunctland Rocks Defunctland Skates And Defunctland Slams Defunctland Plays Ball Defunctland At The Bat I'm here with my friend Senator Larry Craig It's not bad

It's really good Defunctland Rocks should be called Defunct Band While we good I think oh defunct land rock should be called defunct band while we're still out there I mean that should definitely I think you just start fictionalizing them like at some point you've proven your storytelling capabilities just start making shit up

fan fiction about Eisner and Larry Craig going on a road trip you're gonna prove Disney's America I can't. We're going to build it ourselves illegally. Buy some lumber. We're doing it.

You're going to go into that room and you're going to approve Disney's America. How are you going to make me do that? Anyway, okay, there you go. Eisner pulls a gun. I have a gun. Hello? I have a gun. I'm not afraid to gun. I have a gun. I have a gun. I'm not afraid to use it.

A fickle, often angry murder. Well, it brings us back around to your quote, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. Unfocused, fickle, often angry, often carrying a gun. I do like to think that Michael Eisner watched a version of Tarzan Rocks the year before all the crap went down, and he was just like, this isn't going to play well. I think he, I think he watched it and rocked out.

I was going to say, I had a rocking good time. I'm Michael Eisner. This rocks. Hello. I'm Michael Eisner. I'm ready to rock. I'm ready to rock.

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And look forward to our upcoming episode. He wormed his way back in already. Kevin will be talking to us about the boat exclusive morning shows. I legitimately these are on YouTube. Yeah. Can I can is this real? Can I I'm going to I'm going to be very sad if this isn't

a thing. If you don't bring me back. I don't know. I think we're all right. I'm pretty immediately sold. I don't think we bullshit. Okay, fantastic. Yes, these are on YouTube. It's a real thing. I'm super happy about this.

Oh, yeah. We're all going to have to go on the boat to do it. Y'all should go on the boat. All right. We're hitting the open seas, gang. Hitting the high seas. Kevin, thanks for being here. Audience, thanks for being here audience thanks for being here

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