Podcast: The Ride - The Bourne Stuntacular

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

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Forever. Warning. This podcast contains stage combat. Julia Stiles reprising her iconic role as Nikki Parsons. And the most technologically advanced surveillance simulation, something, something. Wait. Computer in hands. Jesus Christ, that's podcast the ride.

And with the quietest music start, we're off to the races. We love to fix this and post. Okay, hold on. Hold on. I'm doing something. I even have the volume knob. I'm doing something. Jason said, I got something for this start of this episode.

He sure does. Is this even the right songs? Oh, baby. We record the pod. Record the pod. Oh, baby. I'm not going to fix any of this in post, actually. Oh, baby.

We record the pod. It's podcast the ride. I'm Jason Sheridan. It's born stuntacular. The most exciting theme park show. Who gives a shit? I've got this song. He's so excited.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Most excited Jason's been in six months more? Easily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

The tea gel and a sleeping pill are working. He told me he's felt he feels really good before we recorded. So I'm very happy to hear this. All right. Well, this is great then. And this is a perfect episode for him. Jacked by watching a born stuntacular videos and pre-show videos and the very You got jacked by pre-show video?

Wait, explain this. The tea is getting into your head. If you didn't hear this on the second gate, Jason's taking tea now and Mike is te-lighted. Under supervision of my doctor, it is not a quack thing like hymns or a weird clinic. It's not something that Mike himself recommended and is shoving down Jason's throat. R.FK Jr. on Joe Rogan recommended this, Jason. You should take it. That's not what happened. But you got jacked by the pre-show? The news radio guy? The T-Shall, the pre-show has a lot of clips of the movie, and they explain all the movies, or at least one, two, three, and five. Four is not canon.

It's not because it's not good. The renter one? Yeah, the renter one. Okay, okay. Oh, my God. Wow. Well, I didn't know I was going to have to rise to this level of jazz. You're going to have to pass me some of that. No, I know. I'm tired here today, too. Yeah, okay, we're talking about the born stuntacular. The born stuntacular opened weirdly in June 2020 at Universal Studios, Florida. It was a replacement for the, am I correct, long dormant Terminator 2, 3D?

Would that have that been empty for a while? Oh, yeah. Or was it not a long time? Did it, like, suddenly, was it suddenly evicted? I don't recall. I think it was close for a while just because they had to build it. This thing is like the technology and the sets pieces and stuff. Well, and they had to fortify the seats and the audience from the way everybody was going to be jumping and shaken.

Yeah. How teed up everybody was going to be. Yeah. Everyone's, everyone hears the pre-show. They're like, Nikki. Nicolette Parsons, Julia Stiles' character. They got her. They have to, they send a gas through the pre-show room just to calm everybody down.

Yeah, sedative. Yeah, they're going to start just like tearing up the floors. TK, bringing pieces of it home. You are correct. It closed in 2017. A T2 closed in 2017. Okay. So this was eyed for spring 2020.

Obviously everything shut down from COVID. And so, but they did manage to get this up and doing soft openings and then full openings in June 20. So many people got their first COVID infection in this theater. Isn't that interesting? When you sit in this theater, you're in a site of COVID history. So many people. It's like going to the Sturgis motorcycle rally site. Pre-vaccine people got it in this room, no doubt.

You were, yeah, you're in the home of spreading. Right. You're in Spread Central. That's right. Yeah, this is one of those that I still put in the box of like, this is a new show. And we're talking about a new show. Oh my God, it was six years ago. So old now.

And there for a long. This is it. So we're talking about an old classic today. If they closed it tomorrow, you'd go, a little early, but I'd had a good run. Yeah. Okay. So it's funny to say that because on like social media,

I saw recently a lot of people posting about it. There is a lot of social media posting about it. So I message Alicia Stella and asked what, where is this coming from? Why are people so excited? And then I found a blog, and it turns out the reason was a post from Alicia. No, it was Alicia Stella posted a thing saying, like, I'm worried for the show. It's great, but like it's kind of empty and a lot of showings.

And they had started putting signs throughout the park, and team members were saying the show is starting soon. And so every like a lot of, you know, vloggers and stuff started posting about it. One guy who makes 3D printed stuff was 3D printing miniature versions of the Showtime. I saw that, yeah. Can you get one? No, it was sold out when I looked. So there is a grassroots campaign to shine a light on this attraction within a park that it's in. Audiences are taking it upon themselves to like stand at to like, you know,

put on like, you know, put on like spinning signs and like show today. People are doing sandwich board shifts voluntarily. Right. Alicia thought the lack of paper maps, people walk right by or they don't know it's. There's anything in there. They don't really pay attention because a lot of those facades of nothing in them. So while Born himself would not want to leave a paper trail. Right.

A map would provide a literal paper trail to help people see Born. No, he's like speedwalking out of the gift shop grabbing like a minion hat and like disappearing. Going into the ground. Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I, this is truly in the last like three or four weeks I've noticed this. This is pretty recent. So this is not a topical episode as far as release of the ride, released the opening of the ride.

But as far as the viral campaign. The show is viral. So we're putting, we made a viral ripping card video. Yes. So we're the viral. step, we're already, we're cresting a viral wave just with that. Then you add on top of it that we're talking about the most viral attraction on Earth. Right.

And this is good. I mean, this is what other rides needed, I think, too, is that ground swell of support to prevent them from going away. People are making memes. Then the universal, like, Twitter account put up memes about it. And so, like, it seems to be working. Does it? Do we know? And the proof is.

Yeah, no. Alicia said that. Oh, she did. Okay. That's great. Good. Show times are filling up and they even added more show times daily.

Well, that's pretty strong. Okay, okay. Which is crazy because this is technology-wise. I mean, there's a lot of universal behind-the-scenes videos talking about, like, they use the phrase technologically advanced so much. But this is. A phrase rarely used in theme park attraction promotional videos. That, like, no, I'm saying it's like immersed when Disney was saying immersive too much.

So that, yeah, because there's a giant, like, screen, there's set pieces. There's, like, stuff hanging from the ceilings. There's elevators in the stage. People are popping up. Yeah. A lot needs to work for this to work right. And this was clearly an expensive. show to develop.

Sure. Yeah. It's very clever in its execution for sure, and it's coordination between pre-filmed elements and these, like, created backgrounds and the live components that have to line up perfectly every show. Yeah. They have, and they have, what's the, I never remember the name. What's the Mandalorian screen thing?

The volume? The volume. Or just like, I don't, volume might be if it's like more of a wrap around. I mean, like, we talked about this with the Oscars. because that's how we shot most of the cold open. And that was the, I mean, an LED wall is basically. Yeah, L.A. That, yeah.

This isn't exactly the volume, but it's like, it works in, there's, like, practical set elements. That was in, like, the buildings that, like, kind of come on stage also, that was crazy. Those are trackless. Oh, that's how they're moving around. Yeah, yeah. They move themselves out, and then they move themselves back into their own chargers backstage. That's insane because they're huge set pieces. Yeah, you're looking at a bit of big tower

that has to be sturdy enough to support born and several other people. And yeah, some of them are massive. I mean, it makes good use of this theater that is massive in its scope and size and just height, you know, which it had to be for T23D. So it like, it's nice that it, you know,

utilizes the space. They didn't like put a less significant show in this, you know, something smaller. Yeah. And more in that, I mean, I guess it's more impressive technically. I suppose, like, it wasn't like, oh, we're just going to have a couple guys pretend to punch each other. Like, it is like pretty crazy when you like watch it all. Even though you like can know what's happening.

You're still like, there's a lot of elements here. Yeah. Now, I don't know about this more impressive because I'm a big T2 3D. You heard the question I said. The question of my voice when I said it. Impressive in different ways, but I'm not going to allow any T2. 3D had to go. No, I like T2.3D better. T23D better. I did too. I'm sorry, Jason. I know. Sorry. I did. I mean, am I partially skewed by the fact that that is, that show is based on a sequel to and has many of the actors from what I think is one of the greatest films ever made. Yeah, that definitely helps. Am I a big J.C. guy? And did J.C. make an original film, the most expensive film ever made, I believe. Now, that's not to say that, you know, things do run their course. And especially when something is more movement. movie oriented, you do sort of have to keep it moving along because it is just, it is the same

experience over and over good. So I'm not like, well, I was about to say I'm not mad that they took it out. But I think I, look, Jason, I'm glad you're excited. I would rather it be T2.3 30. But hey, a good 20 plus year run. It's, yeah. Open around 95, 96, close in 2017. Like, that's a hell of a run. Yeah, I know. Yeah. But what I can't. do is run to it with my own legs when the park opens and see it on it. I can only watch a shitty YouTube video. Right. YouTube video that barely allows you to understand the scope and the weight of it. Yeah. Well, also, if you ran when the park opens, you would stick out and Treadstone would get you. For inciting, inciting violence. Yeah. This guy's up to something.

But where do you stand on this issue? Did you have strong feelings about T23D? Do you have, and you are also coming into it. I guess it's something we did not realize about you that you are a born head. Yeah. I think we're a born head going into this whole thing. Yeah, the Blu-ray set sitting on the table.

I see it, yes. Oh, yeah, we were watching Born I'd any last night because Jade had never seen it. Okay. But we both, like, I, it was probably helped by the fact that I went into that when I saw this in 23-X, thing for the first time. I went in pretty blind. Like, I didn't know a lot about it. And I was, like, shocked to, like, all the stuff that was happening. Sure, sure. So, and, and Jane, like, loved it,

too. Like, she didn't know the movies. And she just, like, that was awesome. I have one more question. Yeah. Because it's a question I've had this whole time. Yeah. Did you also go in pretty stoned? Did I didn't? You did not. Okay. I did not. Okay. I did not. No. I think I was just wondering why the excitement. I think that was, I had that in my head as well. Yeah, maybe perhaps you and I both had this assumption.

No. I think it was at the time. Yeah, we heard about this, yeah. Well, and it also, it was exciting to have a newborn thing. Because the movie Jason Born, the last film, was quite a while before this opened. Right. And you're craving. Would you say born? Do you like born? Because this is a big thing, too. I have seen some of the first born and none of the others. And I'm not so compelled to watch them. I'm not anti. I don't think these movies suck or anything. I just haven't been compelled to watch them. Is it your favorite, this type of movie over Mission Impossible over James Bond? I potentially, maybe not over Mission Impossible. But over Bond.

Maybe over Bond, just because Bond can be very hit and miss. I like the Craig ones a lot. I like the Daniel Craig ones. I grew up with the Brosnan ones. Sure. I don't go in for the old ones that much. Why not? I like the one that rolled doll.

You only live twice. I haven't seen that one. Oh, that's the one where Sean Connery has to get an operation to make himself Japanese to get to a ninja island. To meet. That's something that an operation can accomplish. And that doesn't happen in a BORN movie also? No. That's not a little guy.

They didn't bring that trick back? No, he's mostly changing from a black t-shirt to a gray t-shirt. Okay. Right. I am a sucker for spy stuff, for espionage stuff. Right. I think that like strip down nature of born and correct me if I'm wrong, because I could be wrong. The stripped down nature of born is what I don't like feel like I need to see it.

I like the sillier stuff. Okay, yeah. I like the nonsense more. I like the grounded stuff. There's an author, the guy who wrote the Ipcrest file has a series of books, different, like, it's a trilogy than another trilogy. Like he wrote from throughout over many years. And I like John LaCarray as well. and that tends to be more grounded.

Yeah. Because I love Skyfall, the Craig Bond movie, because they start putting silly stuff back in. Yeah. Oh, I agree. Because, like, Casino Royale is, like, very, you know, basic. But then they put, like, Q comes into that one, and he's got gadgets again, and there's, like, more nonsense.

And that's my favorite of all the Craig movies. That's not a crazy take either. The best Craig movie. Although... It's probably a Normie take. I, Casino Royale, was like very refreshing after the world is not enough, which is kind of a stinky one.

Sure, but it's some silly funnies. No, no. Tomorrow, wait, no, what was the Halliberry one? Die another day. Die another day. Yeah. That was, I like the world. It's not enough.

I think Casino Royale had him naked in the chair getting his balls hit with some sort of like rope or something. You remember that? That was really like painful. Have you seen these fond movies? I didn't see that one. I'm pretty spotty with Bond. Okay. But yeah.

I'm more of the like, Bond's fine. Born is fine. I'm kind of a, I'm more of a Ballard guy. I'm like more of a Tim Ballard guy. I don't know if you've seen. There's been only one Tim Ballard movie so far.

It's called Sound of Freedom. Oh, oh, right, right. And Jim Caviesel plays him in that one. Sure. You know, maybe another actor. That's going to be your end.

Ballard at some point. But I'm hoping that the Ballard franchise will continue. Because that's about more importance. That's about like, that's about busting up, you know, You know, sex trafficking rings and satanic can't have a lot about that late. I think they solved it. I think they fixed.

Oh, that's all fixed? Yeah, I think it's all fixed. Oh, well, I mean, you know, the, the presidency. Yeah, yeah, I was going to say, because that movie was in 2023. In 2024, Trump was elected. He took office in January, 2025, and then all the. And then it was done. It was fixed.

Well, it's not, and it's not because the president now was helping another guy's sex traffic. That's not why they're not talking about it anymore. Mike. Don't work. Hey, whoa, whoa, what do you mean? What? Well, he was, Helping guys, okay?

Can I please explain this to you? There's a, there's video of him. He was best friends with the guy, which means that he was under his nose the whole time. Oh, so he was. So how could Epstein have, I hate to say his name, but I will. That is that. How could Jeffrey have done any of those things when Trump was right behind him, you know, dancing and giving him shoulder rubs?

Right. That's the worst position to be in to be. committing crimes. You're right. You're right. I hear he belong to intelligence too. That's what I've heard as well. According to some attorney general who is told off.

I've heard a few things as well. But yeah, it's interesting. The Bourne stuff, because it's simple or, and Mission Impossible, I guess it's the Tom Cruise of it all. He's such a sillier character in a good way for those movies.

Ethan Hunt. Yeah. Yeah. I think one thing that helps the Bourne movies is the, um, crazy supporting cast of like usually CIA officers, but sometimes assets, agents. Who can you, are you giving? Chris Cooper, young Clive Owen, Brian Cox.

Young Clive Owen? He looks very young. Lil Clive Owen is they common. It was one of his big breakout roads. Is it a clone? Huh? Is it a clone of him? I don't know.

It's a version that never age. We've watched the other Clive Owen age, but young Clive Owen never. They filmed one movie with him and then he stayed there. age. How about young Walton Gaggins? How about he would be younger back then? By which I mean shield Eric Walton Gagins. Um, yeah, Chris Cooper, Cliveone, Brian Cox, Carl Urban, Joan Allen, Albert Finney. Is the like, when's the first born?

Uh, okay. That's, uh, it to that, it came out in 2002. We looked this up last night. When is children of men or, uh, Clow, the Natalie Porter movie? It's a few years later. He's always looked old. Clive Owens always looked old I love Clive Owen by the way He's one of my guys I think he's great Is that right?

But you don't Well there's only one way to solve it Which is looking at a photo We have to look at a photo Maybe they smooth his face out for the BORN movies So They teaged him Yeah right

Despite him being young So this was We looked at up Jane looked it up last night It was filmed in 2000 And 2001 It was supposed to be released September 7th, 2001, but it got...

What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? Well, one faithful day in September. So it got to late due to reshoots, and then they kind of re-edited it to add, like, more emphasis on the government surveillance, which was big at the time. Although, it's very funny to see they're like in a very cramped office with a lot of big

desktop computers. and by the end of the born series, it is the big board, which I think they say in the show, it's the giant screen. So, like, you can see the evolution of computing and stuff as the movies go on. You mean this? Okay, so this is young Clive Owen? Yeah. I think the glasses do it.

Age them down. They make them look like Harry Potter. Yeah. I mean, I guess he's more disheveled in Children of Men, which I think. think it's the same year. Or no, no, it's a couple years later. It's a couple years later. And we just found out it was filmed in 2000, some of it.

So six years, yeah. Okay. No, there's a big gap there. You're right, you're right. This is after, like, I think it's British breakout movies. He must have had, I don't know, I don't know what the, he must have had like a hard five years because he aged tremendously. I'm sure the makeup department made everyone kind of look shittier.

children of men because everyone's kind of fucked up. Yeah, I guess it's a different world. But I mean, I guess he does look younger. We don't, frankly, we don't know everything that happened in Clyde Bowen's personal life in that five-year span. While his career grew, things in his personal life might have been quite miserable. It's funny how those two things can be true at once. That's hard to believe, but you're right. Poor Clive Owen.

Poor Clive Owen. Were he only to look that young still today? In the Marvel universe yet? No? I don't think so. That's just a funny quote. Let's go through everybody. in your broadcast list

and hear up there in Marvel. He's a gambit, I think, right? He's Gambit? No, he's not in it. He's not in there. He's Howard and Duck. I'm just saying like that's that you get him in there. Who do you think?

Who do you think you should play? Well, now, who's left? There's a lot of people left. There's a lot of people left. But I don't know. He's probably what, in late 50s, 60, early 60s now? He's got to be an older guy. But I don't know.

You take while we're doing the episode, be distracted the whole time and try to think of the answer. Well, no, he could be Captain Brits. No, I don't think we've seen any version of Captain Britain. Sure, he could be Captain Britain. I'm in favor of that. Captain Britain. Oh, yeah.

Is there a captain of every country? It's a great question. Kind of. There's Batman of every country. What? Yeah. It's a different Batman in Portugal? Really?

Yes. Portugal for, I think specifically Portugal. I can't remember. There's a Native American Batman, Man of Bats. There's a Japanese Batman. There's a Native American Captain America now, too. Is there? What's that?

character's name. Captain Native America. I forget. I mean, that would make sense. It's probably not that, though, right? It's a little on the nose. If it was newer, they wouldn't name it that. If it was in the 70s, they would have named it.

I didn't know that Batman franchised. It's exciting. Well, one of our favorite comics is by Grant Morrison is called Batman Inc. Where Batman franchises the name. It's based on some old comics, too, but it's like there's Batman of every, the Batman of every nation. Okay. The Knight and Squire are the English Batman and Robin.

Is it awkward, Or, like, did the Batman line up with, like, what are allies and enemies? Like, could North Korea Batman be a friend to America, Batman, even though the enemy, even though the nations are enemies? That's a great question. I don't think Grant explored that at all. I don't think any of our enemies. I don't want to read it. I just want a list of how the logic works.

No, you're right. I don't think so. I think Batman stayed within America's allies, I believe. If it had run longer, it would have been cool to see, you know, Batman in enemy country Batman, Inc. fighting the axes of evil Batman. Sure, yeah. Some other Batman decided to franchise as well or the evil Batman. Knock off Batman. Knock off Batman.

North Korea is where, North Korea is where Bruce Wayne trained to begin, in which, in which iteration, this is what I'm seeing, in Arkham Origins. I don't know, this version is where he trained in North Korea. That's strange. That's a weird place to send them. I don't know everything about Batman. And a lot of stuff. Well, you got to read arkhamcity. com fandom.com more often.

Oh, Arkham City. It's an exciting place to be because there are so many pop-up ads. I've only looked at one page and I've counted seven of them. You know, the one thing I want a basic website, I wanted to overclock my computer. You want it to drain the battery? I want that fan to come on for a one browser window. Well, fandom Is it, are you in fandom?

Dot net or whatever? Yeah. Okay. Well. Yeah. Though now I'm reading a different description. When I looked up, is there a Batman of North Korea? Now I've ended up,

this is a Reddit thread called on the Reddit, on the Reddit who would win? And the question is posed. Could Batman sneak into North Korea, take a selfie with Kim Jong-un while he is sleeping in his bedroom and escape without anyone noticing? I thought when I started that sentence, I thought it was going to be that he takes him out.

But in fact, it's just sneaking in. snapping a selfie. Quick pick for Insta and then keep moving. And I do think Batman could do that. Yeah. That's not even a difficult question. He tries not to like just kill in cold blood either.

Oh, that's right. Doesn't kill. He would, yeah. He abducted that guy in the dark night though. Remember he goes to another country? Put him on top of that building. Yeah. And he abducts him out of the office.

Oh, yeah. That seems awesome. Yeah. He pulls him out. Yeah. So anyway, but yeah, the born stuff. I mean, What do you think is the best one of all of them?

I mean, I think I like the first one. Just because the second and third changes to wrap. The first one is Paul, is it, or no, Doug Lyman. Yeah. And then Paul Greengrass takes over. You're more of a Lyman boy. And more of a Lyman boy. If only because number two and three kind of like went all in on that hand.

held close-up action that I think negatively influenced worse movies. The JJ alias, Mission Impossible 3, shaky handheld. That's sort of the vibe of it. Yeah. Yeah, some of Mission Impossible 3, I feel like you're like, this could be a little less shaky, maybe. Yeah, yeah. This was the style of the time, but it's a little disorienting. Tony Gilroy wrote a lot of them from and of Andor and Michael Clayton.

Did he write the, did you write the board? Stuntacular? No, the credited writer on that is a man named John Benkowski. Oh, it's him. John Benkowski? John Benkowski. What? Yes, John Benkowski, the former head of Hard Rock Park and co-founder of Renaissance

Entertainment. Wrote this? Is on IMDB. John Benkowski is credited as director, writer, and producer of this. Really? Yes. Because he is, yeah, the co-founder. and ahead of this Renaissance Entertainment.

Yeah, there he is. You're right. Oh, my God. Wow. The Hard Rock Park guy? This is an incredible comeback for, I mean, it may be that, depending on how you want to look at it. Right. But if you view Hard Rock Park as a failure.

That was, we don't, by the way. No, no, no, no. It's a tremendous success. An outside opinion into this. Right. Hypothetically. That was a very strange discovery. In the summer of 2020, when I was poking around on LinkedIn, and I've

John Binkowski and all these people are like, congrats John. Oh, well, what a show. You open this show. And yeah, he's the head of this company. And this is like a live theme park show. They've done like they worked on Waterworld and they worked on the Shanghai Pirates of the Caribbean show. There's a show. There's a show with a lot of crazy stunts and stuff. And so, yeah, John Binkowski involved in this show. That's a wild answer.

Wow. Yeah, and he's still making movies. Because we've talked about his movie characters before. Right. But he's got a movie in 2022 called A Christmas Karen. I feel like, oh my God, did he direct a Christmas Karen? I've definitely come across this poster before. This is John Benkowski writer director.

Holy shit. I spent all of Christmas season last year trying it. Like, Jane, do you want to watch a Christmas car? That's a John Bancowski movie. Wow. A John Minkowski joint. From the, so you had no idea. Well, that would sell her, wouldn't it?

If you now said, do you want, don't even say what the movie is. Do you want to watch a film from the director of the Bourne Stuntacular? Yeah. He also makes cutting edge films. That's right. And then just put it on. Oh, my God. I'm so excited.

Wow. And this is also, I should. say this is an award-winning show born stunttacular according to the iMdb for a christmas karen this is also an award-winning film why it won at the orlando film festival they won at the las vegas black film festival so it's won five awards is that more awards than the born stentacular is his most award-winning work a christmas karen uh born stutacular won 2021 theo award for outstanding achievement and live attraction spectacular interesting category. It won best spectacular. Yeah, and the 2021 Visual Effects Society Award for outstanding visual effects in a special venue project. And it won the Jason Sheridan Award for

for Thief Park. For a dynamite experience. I've got my hat on and everything. He is wearing his born stentacular hat. What did you buy? Because you brought this all out of the show. You had a hat. That, yeah, I bought the hat, the T-shirt, this water bottle, and a lapel pen. Okay. That's a lot of, that's like all of it. Well, yeah, I, yeah, because I thought it would be funny to come out on stage and all of it. Yeah, but you knew you'd like to have it after that. I did like to have it.

Because you don't like to just buy things for one show. I know that about you. Oh, yes, we've learned this, yes. Right. Oh, no, well, my wife was also wagging me on because she really. really like the show too. It's like, yeah, get it. You know what could be kind of sexy if you wore was, I don't know, a born stentacular

hat? Hey, you don't have to ask me twice, babe. Look. Real life dialogue. There's a sexy scene in the first one with Matt Damon and German actress Franco Potente. Wow. Not 100% on that pronunciation.

Let's not look it up. But she's to rip. Remember Run Lola Run? She was awesome in that. Oh, she's in? Really? And she's the love interest in the first born spectacle, or in born identity and born supremacy,

and that I believe gets shot in the head and killed pretty quickly. How hot is the love scene? One to ten. Scale of one to ten. Well, after Matt Damon dyes her hair and chops a bunch off, they're both like in tank tops in the bathroom. That is always a good romantic scene. And they start kissing and then take his shirt off because he's just.

Act. Matt Damon 31 in that movie. Did they fade out? Young Matt Damon. But wait, did they fade out before the intercourse? Yeah, they do fade out. No, I mean, it's a sexy.

Okay, cutting and dying hair, I agree. That is good. It leaves it up to your imagination, though. It leads up to imagination. It's a better enough. She wakes up in the morning and she's all groggy, and he's sitting there in like a sweater and peecoat and stuff. I've already wiped down the hotel room for fingerprints.

How often do they call him? him Jason in the movie. Well, okay. They call him Jason a lot. Oh, I see what you're getting at now because I'm Jason. That's correct. They do call him Jason a lot. And then in later movies, you learn his real name is David Webb.

Jason. Yeah, that was, having not seen the movies, that was a surprise to me in the pre-show. Yeah. That were introduced to it with that she says, she crossed paths of the man named David Webb. And I went, huh? Yeah, I was kidding. Jason Boyer, he has a lot, he has a million passports. John Michael Kane is an alias in the first movie.

Yeah. That'd be distracting because, you know, you check that passport. You think Michael Kane just. Oh, yeah. Well, you're trying to pass yourself off as Michael Kane. Michael King co-star, oh, children of Van Clivell. Oh, yeah. How about that?

Young Michael Kane. How about that? Young than they is now, yeah. Or so than today. He was a spry chicken. of children of that. That's right. So this is, okay, so you come into it with that,

you kind of loaded for bear and that you're particularly enthusiastic about these films. And then, but like you felt like the show, as I guess people are feeling today, was underhyped compared to what it ends up. Because you walk into it going, I'll check this out.

And you don't, you have no idea how much your love will explode all over the room when you. It's a good way to put it. A very great way to put it, I thought. Yeah, like Marie's head when they're in a Jeep in the Bourne's supremacy. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, they get you excited. The queue, the little car is there, the dirt bike from one of the later ones, you know. So those are the vehicles from the movie for like those are really, it's like seeing the Batmobile or something. Yeah, the big set pieces in the first movie are like him speeding through Paris, the police chase. running from police, driving this little car, it goes down to stare well, and it's crazy. And then at the end of the movie,

he, like, shoots a guy and then uses the body to fall, like, five stories. He uses it, like, a sled or a parachute? Like, as, like, he lands on it. And then as they're falling, it, like, slows down and he shoots a guy on the third story stair. Did they steal that from Austin Powers,

the spy who shag me when he uses that woman? who has a like a he's fighting with her and they fall at the window and he moves her she gets blown up first he kind of steers her and he lands on her they probably stole her from Austin powers spy movie thing using a corpse as a cushion yeah there's also a classic spy trope where he stashes a bag in a set in a locker at a train station that was very pre 9-11 I don't think you have a lot of lockers at public transit hubs nowadays And they're too expensive to afford. Too expensive.

Too expensive. Yeah. The pre-show I remember, I remember being all like, oh, this is fun theme park pre-show stuff. I remember that when we saw it. Like, I was satisfied by it. And it is a long, complicated pre-show. They explained. They try to cram it a lot of information.

I'm going to say something here. I'm not trying to ruin your fun. I think this pre-show. is atrocious. I think this is an awful pre-show. As somebody who doesn't know the films, it was not inviting to me at all. It is so long.

I do recall us chuckling. I do recall us chuckling as we go. And more information. And so much has explained to me and do I need to know all of this information? And with apologies, knowing that that room was the site of the Kimberly Duncan in T23D

mixed with the very sinister Cyberdine pre-show. with fun celebrity cameos. It was funny. It managed to have laughs. And then like, I mean, I just love that pre-show so much. Yeah. That is a superior pre-show. That is like an info dump of films.

But the graphics, Scott, the graphics, the little little fonts in the boxes and stuff. A lot of these movies are graphics. Sure. A lot of the fun. It doesn't help me, but there's a lot of, there's like, there's 90s CGI that I love so much in that. Yeah. the other one. And not to compare those two other than just that you do know that you're in the space with

that. But even I think even if you don't compare them, even by its own merits, I am not, I'm just not a fan of this pre-shed. Has anyone, is there anything that's like taken on a life of its own from the pre-show, like as far as like a phrase or something that people have like memed? Because I, because it is just like sort of a hardcore long block of explanation. And, you know, there's other rides that have a lot, like the Avatar, but there's been, there's like iconic lines now from the pre-show of the avatar. I've seen videos where a bunch of people all shout, as some of you may know, I was once an operative for the CIA.

Yeah. Now, a thing you got to go along with in these movies and a lot of kind of spy movies and books and stuff is the logic gets pretty confusing and isn't 100% make sense. And that's part of the fun. It's part of the journey. You end up as confused as all the agents. It does feel like, though, they were really worried. People wouldn't understand, like, a guy punching another guy or a car racing. Because, like...

Yes, and let me then skip ahead just as... And to not stay in negativity, I do enjoy the show very much. And I could have watched every second of that show and enjoyed it just as much without anything that they tell me in the beginning. Before I rewatched the video, I didn't remember a single thing about that. the pre-show. Yes. Julia Stiles' hair was different than some of the movies. It's been a while.

She's been out there evolving, you know. She's Nicolette Parsons has lived a full life and maybe gone through many hairstyles. Her character gets bigger and bigger as movies go on, partly because she is not killed in like a Blackops operation. Who's born's number one? Who's like the Luther, like the Ethan Hunt's Luther. who's like then they're the longest. I think it becomes her.

It is her. Okay. It becomes her. Joan Allen, I think, in the one, a lot of people try to like get born to trust them. And it's like we can protect you. We can expose this legal program. And I think Julia Stiles says in the pre-show, like all spies do to each other, don't trust them. Which is kind of why I'm,

I get a little queasy when I remember one U.S. senator and the governor of Virginia are both ex-CIA officers and analysts. So. So you do. So this pre-show makes you remember the realities of, oh, yeah, don't trust spies. They should warn you. You may get motion sickness while watching the pre-show, not because of anything that it does, because it might remind you of real-life CIA agents hiding in our day to day. Right. I hadn't thought about that, but now

now I'm queasy too. The Nessah Kirby and the woman who is Agent Carter in the Marvel movies. Haley Atwell. Yeah, they had a podcast where they interviewed actual operatives and I'm like... Did they?

Yeah, because they play spies and they interview real spies. And I'm like, did you learn nothing from your role? These people are lying. These people are liars. Their riffs are false. They're riffs on topical. Topical topics are false.

Don't believe if you ask them what their favorite breakfast treat is, they will say a false answer. They'll say a toaster, strudel, but it's not. They meant Danish. The actual, like, the only operatives that are probably even bigger liars are special forces guy. They love to lie. Okay. Jason Sheridan's ranking of liars in the different agencies of the American government. Spy special forces politicians.

Is that their third? Like the American sniper guy, famous liar. Like made up shit. He lied about my guy Jesse Ventura. And Jesse Ventura was vindicated. He told a lie about Jesse Ventura. He said he punched Jesse Ventura, I believe, at a bar at like a Navy SEAL meetup.

Oh. And that did not happen. Okay. And then this man, Chris Kyle, passed away. And then Jesse Ventura was in a lawsuit with a widow. But he did not stop suing the widow. Oh. Oh, okay.

And then I believe he won. but he says it hurt his relationship with the Navy SEALs. I hope that's been repaired. And if any Navy SEALs are listening. Jason, do you think Jesse Ventura is honest? I actually do think Jess Ventura is honest. Okay. So he's a Navy SEAL and he's honest.

Okay. Oh. Well, but he was also a wrestler and they love to lie. He was a heel. Yeah. But he's in Predator. Oh, that's a pro. Got an iconic line in Predator.

Well, but you know what? The whole movie, as all movies are, is a lie. He's not the guy he claims to be. He's really Jesse Ventura. He's not even that character. He didn't actually fight an alien, so he's the biggest liar of all. And he was a governor of Minnesota, which is a politician. But the magic of the movies.

But he's calling out Trump a lot on TV now. Well, it's confusing. We're going to have to him and we're going to have to ha. They should have had Jesse Ventura to do the pre-show. I mean, something could have Jesse Van Turing to the pre-show. Oh, my God. Spectacular. I mean, here's the one thing that kind of typifies what I don't like about this pre-show.

She's like, you know, it's something like, please welcome. Alliance Group Homeland Security Legal Liaison, Picolette Parsett. Oh, yeah, I'm pumped now. Wow, there were six words in that title. Yeah, that's kind of take some liberty. She's like lying low, I think, at the end of... But I don't think Scott's upset because it doesn't make sense narratively with the movie. No, no, she's working in the private sector.

Okay, but the emblem on the screen says Treadstone, blackpower, iron hand, and those are all the shady government programs. See, that's another thing. I'm like, it's probably neat to you because you like the movies, but I'm just looking at it. What's this? Do I need to know all these words? And the show begins, and I do not. No. It mostly is punching and flying around on a...

big ball on a wire. Yeah. I also, here's a big question. Why is she just green screened into a room? Like if you look, most of the footage you can find is from the backs. It's hard to tell. But I watched behind the scenes footage and she's in front of green, but then all of it is she's just like in a white room. Just find a white room.

What are you doing? That is like an MCU modern thing where you see. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Screen for a place that you could go find by the end of the day. We're sitting at like a rest stop and it's green screen and the bench is even half of its green screen. Or Sam Jackson had a gun in like one of the Captain Americas and the end of the gun is green screen.

He doesn't use it. He doesn't use the gun in the scene. He was in a living room, but some of that might have been green screen. It might have been Winter Soldier, but I think it was like the gun was green screen. Like we'll figure out what the gun looks like later and you're like, just give him a gun. Just give him a gun or something. Like, commit to something. My God.

movies used to have not have any computer effects CGI people but I don't know can you understand where I'm coming from that I'm in there just like I think even if you took

the general tenor and you took you could keep it Alliance Group Homeland Security Legal Aides on Nicola Parson's and she can do the same kind of briefing that she does but just like just make it half the time you can just feel them like filling I think they've got a lot of space to fill

because they got to let that room fill up and there's a long show up in front of them that you let clear out. So I understand that. But it's something where you're in the T2 3D pre-show and you are not even recognizing the time passing because there's like there's portions, there's audience interaction. And then you're watching this propaganda video and then the propaganda video gets interrupted. There's stages.

It evolves. Whereas this is like one type of mush. A dump of text. Yeah. Of stuff and it's very long. And it is it is followed by the such an exciting show. It is. And this is so complicated.

I'm talking about wireframe and I do admit, I don't know if the show is a simulation where we're watching surveillance of Jason porn. It doesn't really matter. You don't really need to know that. This is another thing that I don't care about. This is my least favorite pre-show info dump that does not need to be there since Finding Nemo submarines where we have developed sonar that lets you hear what the fish are saying. Right.

Just put the fish in front of me. What you're talking about? Who cares? I'm only, now I'm only thinking about that. Like, was it not, when you developed the technology, weren't you, wasn't the number one question? Oh my God. How did the fish learn English?

Wait, wait, fuck all this. Fuck the sonar. Stop the ride. We've just learned that fish speak in our same language. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm more focused on that now. But this, it's this situation that, like, what you're about to see, it's a pretty,

Well, you're going into a theater. You're going into a prototype observation and evaluation. And it's like you'll be right there live following Jason Bourne wherever he goes. It's proprietary technology as well. That's important. It's very important to know proprietary. If you didn't hear that word, you wouldn't know what to think of this technology. That's good point.

Yeah. And it's enhanced surveillance. So basically, and then they show you like a lot of wireframe footage of they go like, you'll see, you'll see what we're talking about. She even says something like that. You'll get it. You'll get it. She gets some catty lines in there. Like, yeah, a bunch of trained super soldiers that are activated with a coat.

What could go wrong? Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a lot. And I like that. There's a little bit of personality to it. But it now confuses the issue of like, are you watching, are you there? You're following Jason Bourne. It's a simulation.

But then who are we and where? And you'll be able to jump with him. Right. jumps time zones and countries. And the CIA director or officer does a full Mendoza, Simpson's Mendoza, McBain bit firing at the sky at the end? Yes. Yes, yeah.

It's strange. I think what bothers me about the pre-show is that I find it to be kind of humorless. for a show that you go sit in that is pretty goofy. Like, once it begins, it's a pretty silly show where silly things happen and like impossible things happen to cars and big crazy explosions and the aesthetic of it is kind of, to me, it's honestly like a better executed version of the aesthetic of Fast and Furious Supercharged.

Yeah, much better. Where it's got weird perspectives, and you're dealing, with live action settings and actors, but the CG makes it a little cartoony, and I'm not necessarily saying in a way that bothers me. I like this show aesthetically. But I do find it to be,

I think that the pre-show is pretty slavish to the vibe of the films, whereas the show itself is much sillier. It almost is more, like you could do the same aesthetic and it's a James Bond show. Yeah, that's true. So it's just true. I don't know.

I just think they could have had more fun with this, make it shorter. I don't know. It ain't my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny in one moment. She's like, I should stay away from Jason.

Like the kind of giving away the game of like we had her for half a day at a green screen. So she's not going to be in the show, although she does a little narration here and there. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's easy to grab. That's easy to grab. They grab that in the car that she is going to pull out of herself to leave the shoot. I always wonder, like, was the mandate that this had to be long?

Was it long because whoever was in charge of, like, the born franchise, they needed to get all this logic police stuff in? Oh, you mean executive producer Frank Marshall? Oh, well. So we got a lot of our guys in here. A lot of our guys. Cowsky and Marshall. Two heavyweights teaming up. Yes, did Frank want it?

Or is it a capacity thing? Is it like, look, just for. guest-wise, we need to have this go 12 minutes or whatever. It's not that long. I think it's similar to how the Simpsons Riot inherited the time frame of the Back to the Future right and how long people have to be in a room. And so I think they had to build something that was roughly as long as the Cyberdine stuff. And they just decided to fill it with nonstop explanation. Info, info.

I also think, you know, it's funny that like Jason Bourne seems like this is like very elusive figure who even the agencies themselves. Yeah, they're confused by it. So it's crazy that they have all of this film footage of him. Yes. With every possible angle, it's edited very dynamically. Color corrected. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh.

Yeah. No, beautiful, really crisp frame rate. Yep. Some of the clearest footage I've ever seen. It was pretty cool. They got shot of him jumping out of one building window into another building's window. Yeah, that's crazy. How do you get that footage when you're just like filming a guy to,

just as surveillance. Magic of the movies. Magic of the CIA. Magic of the CIA. And it's all just the magic of the CIA. Yeah. Okay, that said. I'm not trying to keep being critical here

because the show, the show's a lot of fun. The show is a lot of fun. I think maybe I got, I'm watching the pre show and I get down a little bit and I'm like, what am I in for? And then it begins and it's pretty,

it's pretty goddamn fun. What's your, I mean, I don't know if you want to go through an order or if you just want to say Hilo, what lights you up about the show? I mean, I think the digital screen that they use for sets in conjunction with practical props and set pieces and stuff, just real quick, I thought it was impressed 130 feet wide, 28 feet tall. The screen.

Yeah, the screen. And like, it's used in ways where it's like the first. time I saw it, I did not realize that like the street fighting, most of those people in that scene are on the screen. They're not there. Yeah. Yeah. There's like two people. There's like two. Yeah, the fighting people. And really, I mean, that's crazy that we can't tell, that we're in there looking at it with our own eyeballs. And it is, it is not clear. It's some of the fun I got to have on the Oscars is the, like, when it was pitched to me if we do it this way, just that like how, you're like, you'll see that we're just with the power of the screen and you still the onus is really on you to light

those practical elements correctly but if you have three things people will buy whatever is back there and and you'd think it wouldn't be quite the same in a live setting but how is that even how are we possibly confused that flat people who's a flat person and who's alive in the room with us that's pretty crazy yeah i don't know anything about any technical aspects of it but i guess just like the resolution is so like sharp or like high now that like you can really like your brain thinks it's seeing the three dimensions from the people more yeah because the image is so clear we're in 9k here yeah i guess that tells you something yeah um but like when you watch it's funny because i was rewatching it on the on video and it looks like better on video in a way

because i was really fooled for a half second on one of these videos of like like, oh yeah, there's all those people. Oh, wait, that's a screen. Yeah, geez. And so you see, like, the trick that any of the better things that use the volume or whatever pulls off. I mean, I didn't know that that first Mandalorian season was the volume. Whenever they dropped that making of. That was a big. I was like, wait, what?

Yeah. Like, I was surprised. I had the big question also with what we were doing of, can you, like, yes, it works for extremely bright stuff. But if we need something that's, that's very dark and very black, is that going to sell? and DP was just like, oh, yeah, oh, wait to use, no, don't even worry about that. That's true in this show as well, because it goes from, with these cool digital transitions, it like, you know, kind of fuses you from fully black, where it just works as if, like, there's just a literal black wall there, and then all of a sudden it's this bright Morocco scene.

Well, and there's the moment early on after Jason Bourne wins the perinoco boxing street fight, like he walks into a spotlight and everything else disappears because pretty much everything was digital. Yeah, everything on the stage. So he goes down an elevator and then the CIA officer comes up and they've got a real desk. But then, of course, the big board is obviously digital. Yeah, right.

Those scenes are cool. Here's how we wipe the, here's how we get rid of like the big set pieces and it gives the stunt actors a break and lets them get into their next position. It's like well structured as, you know, in a stage show sense. Yeah. And there's a lot of little elements that are show up in the movies

that they do successfully do in the show. That like, for example, when they're walking through, I think it's a village of Morocco. They do the classic. I think they do this in most born movies where like the CIA person is like what Jason's like where are you they go I'm at home and he goes no that's not true otherwise we'd be having this conversation in person like because he's in the house and that that's kind of a go-to thing and they met they pull it off in this and the screen suddenly shifts to like a DC neighborhood yeah and so the balcony and like the pillars are practical because he's got to climb down it but a lot of it's digital, and that's mixed in with, like, agents firing blanks, but then the bullet pops are on the screen.

Yeah, yeah. Well, and that makes me happy that it's, like, continuing the legacy of T23D of, like, that they're, you know, that, uh, that, uh, Arnold, the fake Arnold in the room is firing into. Yes. Right. And, and, and the bullet holes show up. And, you know, that sort of interaction. I'm just, I'm glad that this space remains.

of space for those kind of gags, you know. Yeah. It's very cleverly. And they even they, I think, do a good job in simulating a car chase, even though it's funny is on a three-wheeled bike. Yeah, yeah. For some reason. And then they even like do

basically bullet time. Yes. With like a lamp prop. Yeah. The footage slowing down. It's pretty neat. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the fit that they're able to shift the perspective on the screen and turn the physical items and rotate the bike and the cars exactly the right way.

Because if you're just a little off with some of that stuff, it doesn't work at all. So yeah, what a precise show. That's crazy. Can I shout out the 80s apartment, 80s looking apartment building that I love? That's exactly what I was thinking as well. And it seems like everyone has like a weird balcony pool. Yeah, every single balcony is a pool, which doesn't really make sense. to drown a guy via screen.

Right. He dips a guy into his screen tank. Yeah. You can kind of see his shadow. Yes, which is a fun little thing. But it does have like the like 80s, 80s-ish like cocaine apartment. Sort of Miami. Miami or city pop vibe going on there.

Yeah. Yeah. Dubai is a lot more neon than any other pictures I've seen. Yeah. I mean, probably is neon, right? I guess. Yeah. It just, it looked a little more like a city. in Asia, but it was cool because he like flies on a helicopter.

He's dangled, like, off a helicopter. Yeah, that was one where I was, for a second, I was like, is there a helicopter in the room? Okay, wait, no, no, no. Yeah, I know, yeah. And then the bike flips on the screen, but he's on a bike in person. And I truly don't know where the bike, where the real practical bike goes and how they, how it transitions into. Do you think David Copperfield has ever seen this?

Because there's a lot of big practical things. I think he's been busy with various things. Oh, okay. Helping a certain friend of a certain president? Yeah, yeah. Some of those people we mentioned earlier. Oh, God. Blue 32, it's friends with Trump?

Yeah, that's right. That's true. Love, Donald. Yeah, I don't, geez. I mean, I'm shocked that who I'm complimenting is John Binkowski. Bingowski, look. This is like a third, I was going to say second act, but he's probably at such a long career.

It's like third or fourth. Yeah, yeah, I don't know exactly what he was doing before Hard Rock Park. Right. Wow. Just the joy that he's given all of us. It does. Go ahead. It just does feel like such, it feels so hard to put this together.

It just feels like so much work. Extremely. And like, and how do you organize? You have to, it must be, they must have to kind of go back and forth and sort of have some like, partially rendered previs kind of. of elements and then like, okay, so here's what the perspective will be. Okay, so we can start arranging our props and our stage in this way.

Just anything where you're like doing multiple processes at once where the, the graphics have to match the stage. Yeah. I mean, there must be a zone when you're putting that together where it feels so nebulous and so complicated. Right. But then once it sinks, it's magic. It also feels like you could take this, and maybe they've done some part of this,

you could take this and add in dialogue scenes and put it on Broadway. Like legitimately. It'd be a good format for a. Yeah. That might pack this. Although, if we're having trouble getting people in the seats when they're in the park already. Right.

But I think if you hurt, I mean, have there been any shows? Or is this, this kind of violate what people expect out of Broadway. Yeah, but there's like the, if it was extremely LED wall oriented.

But like the, I mean, puppet stuff and King Kong. is like a giant crazy impressive puppet. That pushes Broadway a lot further into theme park. Right. But it's been theme parky for a long time. It's just been more artistic,

the Julie Tamar of it all or whatever. But they've pushed it with the IP and the whatever. So it's like it does kind of feel like. Yeah. I'm not saying you should get rid of traditional musicals and plays. I'm just saying it does feel like you could do a whole play. What should we put on for the next season? Merely we roll along or bowl.

Born on Broadway. Born on Broadway. Look, they love licensed adaptations. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, it just feels like, yeah, you plug a theater like this in and you could run it for 10 years and then do another. Or like, you know, Sunshine Boys Extreme or something and use the technology for that show and do an updated version of the Sunshine Boys. Sunshine Boys locked and loaded. Locked and loaded, yeah.

Starring Jason Sheridan and Clive Owen, young Clive Owen. Yeah, young Clive Owen. We don't act now. There ain't going to be any more sunshine. You got to save the sun. We got to get a rocket to the sun. I just remember there was another Clive Owen spy movie. I don't think I ever saw The International with him and Julia Roberts.

I don't know that. I don't know that. It was a 2000. I haven't seen a Clive Owen movie in a while, honestly. Even though he's your guy? He's my guy, yeah. He's great. I hadn't seen Franka Pottente in much, but she's,

She works a lot. She's just been a lot. Huh? She your girl? I mean, I think she's terrific. Okay. Well, she's got this terrific seal. She's got the terrific seal.

I think she's in a lot of stuff. I mean, she's in some British shows or German shows. She's in the conjuring, one of the conjuring movies. Jason is, Jason only applies the terrific label to every actor. If you act. You act. You're terrific. Which, and that's not every person.

You have to at least the first step. Step one is you act in something. Step two is you were terrific. Matt, ride the movies, baby. Except for Adrian Brody. I'm going to bring another voice into this discussion, which is the person who I saw this show with. I saw it in 2023 when we were down there for live shows,

and I saw it with a man who has many titles on this show, accidental PTR legend completer and Roller, not Rocker, let's be extremely clear, but Roller will give you. Griffin Newman. I was with Griffin. I thought this morning, I was like, I did it, I did it like a scary count, a spy movie countdown. I said, is there anything you'd like to get off your chest about the Bourne Stuntacular? You have four hours. And he did do so despite that limited time frame and despite him. having some other business he was attending to. So if you don't mind, I'd like to play a little bit of the thoughts of Griffin Newman. Hello, this is foreign correspondent Griffin Newman out on assignment.

I'm actually just in the safety and security of a podcast recording studio, but using revolutionary new technology, I can place myself in a perspective as if I am at LaGuardia Airport. in Queens waiting to board a flight to Madison, Wisconsin, and just using the bathroom. Hold on a second while I use a Dyson Air Machine. Oh, whoa. It's like we're there. Oh, my God. proprietary technology.

My body into the experience what would feel like to fly to Wisconsin in honor of the born stuntacular and abysmal attraction, in my humble opinion, that I understand you guys are covering today on the show. Oh, Jason's upset. I hold a lot of immediate animosity for this attraction, replacing T2. Oh, okay. Battled across time.

So I believe I previously called one of the five best movies ever made on your podcast is the thing that got me into the Terminator franchise in the first place is I'm realizing the first James Cameron movie I ever saw. And in an affront to art and American history, Universal has chosen to not only not preserve it, but to tear it down to make it functionally unwatchable to future generations and replaced with the born stuntacular, which eats ass. And I say that in a negative way because I'm of a lamer generation. It still finds ass eating kind of yucky as a concept. Hold on a second. Jason, what do you think about that? Comment.

Sorry, Mike. Sorry either because I can't tell if he's like eating ass these days. or if eating ass is the thing that would offend your sensibilities. Okay, all right. Do we have anything to say? I mean, you made a face. You made a big face when that was, when that was, a lot of this was said. Don't knock it till you're trying.

Oh, you meant that one. Oh, that one. Whoa. Jason, you're, Mike, you're getting your wish, body, Jason. No, I know. That's what I wanted, yeah. He's feeling energetic. Maybe he's feeling a little wildup.

He's feeling a little peckish. Is he a different pot of hat that just says eating ass? No, but I can buy it for him. him. I'm happy to buy it for him. You used to be able to buy that said eating ash in Paris. That's true. Would you like to hear more?

Or do you want to shut this off and not hear one? No. One minute more of the, this recording is four minutes long. Honestly, shorter than I was expected. Yeah, I thought it was going to be like seven or ten. You're expecting the standard Griffin length of two and a half hours. Right. A full podcast he recorded alone at LaGuardia.

I do want to know how he got such good audio quality in a bathroom. Maybe it's the man, the man deals in audio, you know? I guess. And it's, and again, proprietary technology. Right, that's true. Okay, well, let's hear what else he is to say. The Bourne's spectacular, in my opinion, is a terrible match of material and format. The Bourne franchise, while known for having great stunts, are based in those stunts being pretty real world, stripped down, realistic, rough around the edges.

You know, Bourne's often blamed for the rise of shaky. an action cinema. Yeah. Sort of docudrama style. And so converting that into a incredibly expensive tech-driven stunt show with theme park actors is a really,

really bad fit. For me, that reaches its peak when you have a villainous character literally waving his fist of the air and going born! As a platform lowers him back underneath the stage again, It also feels like this weird, like, avatar technology they're trying to use to explain why you're not just watching a stunt show.

You're in the stunt show, but you're not him. It just feels like you're him. Yeah, the logic is a little thing. Doing a stunt show about, hey, this is how we made the movies. Why aren't we going to call it away here? Why aren't you breaking down the process? Why am I watching fake Matt Damon do fake shit? And Julia Stiles telling me it's as if I'm there.

Well, look, I will say to that, were we not, was he not in love? with fake Arnold and fake Linda Hamilton and fake Eddie Furlong. So that's a bit of, you know, we're accustomed to this, this happens. The yelling of the yelling, born, I don't know much about these movies,

but it definitely doesn't feel like the movie. But you also brought that up as something that you were delighted by. Well, I was delighted by. I think that's form. I think that's because it's a theme park stunt show. It's going to automatically be a bit more heightened and more silly.

It's like what in the movies would they say just, Chris Coup, I mean, people do yell a lot, but they're usually yelling in conference rooms or offices. Right, but they don't do a big supervillain, Dooms, Dr. Doom style thing. Richards. No, Chris Cooper is kind of like mean in the first one. Clive Owen would have been a good, Dr. Doom. Oh, he would have been a great doctor. Really been a good doctor, yeah.

But Downey, look down, he's going to smoke him. We know. Whatever this voice he's doing. Everything's writing on the voice for you right now. I'm so excited about. You're stressed about the voice. You're stressed about the world. I'm so excited about the voice.

What if it's just, what's the worst that could happen? It's just a normal voice. Well, the worst that could happen is it's a do little situation. Yeah. Where he did a voice. But you want the worst in that case.

I'm ready for anything. For some reason, he's like unbelievably fun. Great. But yes, I kind of do want to do a little situation where like they couldn't understand him on set and they'd or dub it later.

I don't think, I don't think, uh, Academy Award winning actor, Robert Down the Junior is going to be the problem in that. What I would like to, I'll tell you what I'm hoping for the voice of Doom. Oh, go ahead.

Is I want him, Doom is kind of like very haughty and pretentious in a lot of portrayals in the comics. Sure. I want him to do like a mid-Atlantic, like old movies. Like, oh, yes, yes, read more foolishness on your part, Richard. You know, I want him to do that. Maybe a little mouthful, obviously, by the mask. I don't want it gravelly, though. Okay.

I don't think they're going to do like an old-time movie star voice. I think that's a poor choice. Like Errol Flynn or something. I think he should sound like William Powell from the fit man. Yeah, I just, I think he's going to have a vague Eastern European accent. That's what I think. That's a good one. Like kind of work with that Vaughn he'll take literally.

Like, what is it? All right. So where is he from? He's from Latvira. That's the real fake country. So he'll look up like what is the real world equivalent of Latvia? Yeah, okay. He'll just, he'll see what's the closest letters-wise.

And then he'll like immerse himself in Latvian accents for six months. And then it'll just be like, ah, I am Dr. Van Du. I am Swedish or something. Like it'll just sound like this. Like something. That's, I'm hoping for something. I'm actually hoping for something we're not expecting. I want something big, though, because Doom's like a scene chewing.

Yeah, sure. I know. Yeah. We'll see. All right, let me get to it. I don't know where else he goes with this. Much like you guys listening to this right now feel like I've just been told that my flight is about to start boring, but that's actually a simulation.

I think it sucks. I think obviously I should have kept two free-D. He's being brutal here. He is being brutal. This is like this is harsh for him. This is not really how he is, I would say. in discussing theme park attractions ever. And are you offended that he's chosen this venue?

And by the way, let me say this also, that this was no, I don't think he was aware of your particular fondness for it. So this is just kind of a blind, this is not some Jason attack. I want to be. I think this is probably, like, I haven't read the Ludlum book,

the Robert Ludlum books. My dad really liked them. But my family always saw these together, so we usually had a good time. but I feel like we all like detective novels and spy novel and so we're probably giving it

a lot of benefit of the doubt don't get me wrong this is not for everyone sure sure uh oh it's sure not for Griffin let's see what Jason hold on just because this guy's your friend you don't have to go easy on him if this is some shit take you think is bullshit

let him have it you want Jason to make a choice here the way you want Robert Downey Jr. to make a choice Jason do a Eastern European accent and let Griffin have it for this bullshit. This is one of your favorite fucking rides. Defend it. If anything else, hit Griffin where it hurts. Remind him that he

has no idea how to rock. Remind him of his most fragile core issue. Take him down. Take him down. Griffin, Newman, you are playing with fire if you're going to cross the Treadstone program. you being great now?

Dr. Doe my name. Oh, he told me to do it. I told me to do it. I thought maybe you were being a character. It wasn't good. That's how Chris Cooper talked in the first movie or something. It was a cold read.

You know, we started the second season about the comeback to catch up for the third. Riff and T2. She does a cold read and she doesn't feel good about it. But it's great. Terminator is old news. Come on. Show sucks. It sucked.

It was outdated. Yeah, your memories of liking it as a child. Who gives you shit? Come on. Born is cool. Yeah. It's a little theatrical. It's a little silly.

But that's what we like in theme parks. We have to exaggerate the original material. We're not going to just have people brawling in the aisles. It doesn't make any sense. This is a big spectacle. We need a reason for two giant plumes of flame to come out of the stage. Of course. We got flames.

I like how you go over the smoke stacks and they light it. They shoot fire on screen and then the perspective he's moving above them and then the fire's on the stage. By the way, I'm not mad at what he's saying. Yeah, yeah. No, you're, no, you're, you're, you're, you're trying to get him going. You just want somebody to be mad somewhere. Yes. You don't want it to just be this, this pre-recorded. Right.

Griffin's off mad getting on a plane in LaGuardia. Right. And might still be mad now that he's landed in Madison, Wisconsin. But you want some live anger to drop up where we are. You know, Mike, he was a little stern boy. He once, he's always saying, I want to make good radio. Oh, that's good read. That makes great radio.

Yeah, it's conflict. The Calvin Weeks Great Radio. And I just want to get, yeah, let him have it. I just think you should let him have it. The thing is he did about the issue he cared about, which is eating ass. He did. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Fair enough. Exactly. So, all right. Let's hear the rest. I think it sucks. I think obviously they should have kept T2 3D. But short of that, this format would have been a much better fit for the Fast and Furious franchise since the sort of screen technology seems to work really well for vehicle shit, which is not really,

the born forte, but is obviously the forte of our friends, our family from the Passing Furious franchise. I give this an F. I wish I was giving it an F enough for Fast and Furious. Or I wish I was giving it an A plus for T2 3D battlecross times. Wow. Mike, sorry or you're welcome for the ass eating comments. Well, it's a mixed bag, you know? You got conflict out of it, but you also had to think about an ass. You had to hear the word ass. Forget the eating concept.

Just hearing the word ass was a lot for you, but we muscled through. I'm upset. There's a lot of nerve endings in that part of the body. I know. Yikes. Yeah, right. Let them have it. Now, that's the most upsetting. That was more viscerally

upsetting to me than anything else that's been said. I've had to learn about a lot about the nervous system and various muscles over the years recently. But not for eating ass, though. Or it's just a happy side effect. He didn't say where and when he learned it.

That's true. You're right. And what part of your feeling. Yeah. Look, I'm in no, I don't, I'm not passionate about this enough to let him have it, but I think F is pretty strong. Pre-show, yes. I think that is, I think that's a horrendous pre-show. The show itself, maybe it helps that I have no dog in the fight and I'm not, I'm not, they don't need to reflect the franchise.

If it's a ticket, you know, because I, all bets are off franchise wise for me and theme parks. If they're doing big silly shit, then I'm happy. Yeah. And, and, and they, they do here. Now, I'll say, I, so I, I think he's under, I think F is extreme. I didn't know he felt that. I was next to him and I didn't know how negative he, he felt about it. Yeah. I thought you had alluded when you, you guys had seen it first, and I thought you you alluded to it being bad. So when I did finally watch it, I, I think I went in with very low expectations and I was I told Elisha I was blown away the first so we might have helped cause it by if we were if if you talked to us and our reaction was not great then we set your expectations low I there and then you got to

you know rise above them like you were hanging off a helicopter I think the look it gets very silly the hanging off the helicopter into the car chase which is technically very impressive and then he flies off a cliff, but he also can use a tactical parachute while making a perfectly legible phone call. Like, it gets a little silly.

That gets in the voice memo, we just heard, yes, yeah. And that it lands, that the car lands, like it's going off a cliff and it could land in any amount of landscape at the bottom of the cliff, but where does it land on top of a giant

propane tank? Oh, yeah. Which I, I like. Yes, of course. It doesn't seem like something that would happen in the movies. However, I was in a tour guide. I love that. Oh, is that so? In the first movie,

they're in a country house. And Clive Owen has a sniper rifle trying to kill more. With the little glasses. Young Cliveon. Matt Damon has a shotgun and he runs out of the house and immediately shoots something flammable,

which causes a huge explosion, a huge puff of smoke. What's Griffin talking about? Clive Owen can't see. This is perfectly, it seems like, from the evidence that's been presented, this is exactly the kind of thing that would and does happen in the franchise. I think it was a perfect callback to a movie from 25 years beforehand. I don't know. Maybe they are like, oh, we should use that big explosion.

I want to make this very clear. I wish just T2 is still here. Yeah. I think. I think we all. I do too. But I want to speak for you and say like, oh, Griffin, the poor born movies. Oh, We've taken them and we've exaggerated the BORN movies. The spirit of Bourne isn't in the show. Who cares? We don't care. We want something fun and exciting. What?

It's going to be just like street level action the whole time. And there's going to be just like one gunshot and a propane tank blows up. No, we want cars crashing. We want nonsense. Well, the movie, I mean, technology is a huge part of the movies. So I think it is copacetic to make this really technologically advanced, as the universal says. technologically advanced show. Yeah, I agree with you.

Yeah. So, I mean, if the, I'm trying to think, like Indiana Jones stunt show, there's a little more personality in that. Like, there might be an opportunity, put some sort of more personality in that, but I don't feel like the movies even have that much personality from somebody who doesn't watch them. So maybe I'm wrong, but it just feels like maybe that's the one element I would, I kind of left going like, oh, it would, it's like all action. and it's really impressive and cool. But I want a little like something, little pieces of dialogue that you would want to like chant along with or something.

Well, he has cartoon amnesia for most of the first movie. Yeah. And then he spends most of the other movies trying to piece together what his life was. Right. Yeah. So something more accurate would be a stunt show where a man tries to remember who he was.

And he just kind of walks around and asks people like, what did I do? Who am I? Yeah, I mean If you're following the logic Following the logic of the franchise I think some tired dads get heat stroke And have that effect

You think a lot of guys Get heat stroke in Orlando And forget who they are I think potentially That's at least what they tell the judge Later on when they left their family You hit up fat Tuesdays for a yard of liquor slush You know

I mean I have the opposite I know exactly who I am when I'm drinking at Citywalk Orlando. I'm Michael Carlson. You're the greatest man who ever lived. The number one version of yourself, much higher than father and husband. That's correct.

That's a swamps. Are you excited for... Are you excited for the return of jelly rolls? Apparently, this found a location close to Disney World. I'm all over this news story that broke April 2nd, right the day after April, because I was like, is April Fool's joke?

Thank God. Because if they announced jelly rolls is coming back and then it wasn't. What an epic April Fool's Day break that would be. It would sweep the internet. It's just barely technically on Disney grounds. Yeah, so they say, and even that, we don't know exactly. We don't know where it is.

I've tried to get people we know to go take a look where, like, because supposedly they're like building a place? I don't know. Can you just go to every hotel in the area and just tell me if you hear any piano? Like hammers or, yeah, piano keys being placed on a piano's body. Mike you mentioned But it's near Disney Springs Whatever the like non-Disney hotels

By Disney Springs supposedly that's the zone Some of those are supposed to be very nice I've never been over there I've never been over there It's not my business Mike you mentioned You mentioned Mission Impossible earlier Yes

The star of the fourth movie The one without Matt Damon is Jeremy Renner It is Jeremy Renner Do you remember when Jeremy Renner Was going to take over both mission Impossible inborn. Well, he's in Mission Impossible 4 to get him supposedly

at the time that was the thing of like, we're getting him ready to take it over. Yeah. And at a certain point, Tom went, no, that is not happening. I mean, he's just so charismatic. Tom. No Jeremy. Oh, really? Yeah, he's so charismatic. More than Tom? Just stay out of his way

if you're a snowplow or a woman. Well, the snowplow won. I suppose. Snowball almost killed him. No, but. He didn't feed up the snowplow. Do we know, is he in Doomsday? I don't know.

I can't remember. Because there was the clip of him and Brie Larson, not sure if they were in the movie. Look, I do not. I know a few things for sure, but I don't know that. That could have been cave. Yeah, I don't know. Look. I just know we got to feed our sin.

The medicine. That was his album. That was his single. Don, I didn't know what that refers. I did not remember that either. Well, he also does a cover of the House of the Rising Sun. Well, we played that on podcast the ride years ago, I'm pretty sure. I do recall that.

But Griffin would everyone hate that shit. That rocks way harder than he ever could. Yeah. He can't even, this guy can't even, he wants to come in and feed his opinions to Jason. Unbelievable. This guy can't even rock like Renner. It's unbelievable. He cannot rock like Runner.

That's for sure. Can't rock like Leto. Can't rock. Like Jared, like Jeremy, if you're an act. with a Johnny Depp? Griffin can't rock. Put a J in your name and then we'll see what happens. He's got all these.

Maybe when you're Driffin Newman. He's got. He had some blasphemy today. I would like to hear his opinions on Vin Diesel's two singles from 2020. He doesn't even understand it. He doesn't even know what it is. He can't even listen to music and know. He doesn't get feel like I do like I do.

He can't, yeah, shake or dance. Why did he do this? There aren't even visuals to go with this. This is so short. This is no movie. This is only several minutes long, not long movie length. Song not movie? Song not movie at all.

Average time Griffin's listening to a CD. That's what he says. Unbelievable. I'm mad for you, by the way. I'm not mad at him. Where Agnes Farda? Where Tony Scott? Music, not movie.

Now, Vin Diesel puts out a song performed by two pianos, and he's in. And that works great for him. Vin Diesel teams up with Jerry Lee Lewis. Griffin understands that. That makes sense. The Diesel plays Jerry Lee Lewis in next topic. Anything else you want to say about the show? I got one more little thing to talk about.

But I'm glad that you stood your grounds against this non-rocking fucker. Oh, that's the Julia Siles line is that's in trouble with spies. We all lie for living. I like that. You love that lying. I like that line. I like the crazy ending. I really like the fake buildings.

They do get both the born hand-in combat. The stage combat in this is great. He's jumping from buildings. He's climbing from buildings. He's dodging bullets in the Dubai apartment, and then he jumps out one to the guy. Like, that's so crazy. The whole thing reminds me of a video game, too.

It's very video game coding. Yeah. So like just the way, like, like, as an old side scrolling video game where you like pop up. It also kind of. It also, it also, this is what I think like, well, does Nickelonian exist anymore? It's probably possible. Kind of. Is this for SpongeBob?

There's things made 30 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. But they should do Nick Arcade like this. Because Nick Arcade was my favorite show as a kid. but the reality of how kids would have to play that when they went inside the game at the end was just like they were in front of a nondescript staircase

and they couldn't see the things that were happening to them. They were looking at a monitor. But like truly like an LED screen like this where you could kind of play the game in a big way. Seems awesome. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they could do it for like Minecraft or Fortnite but they'd have to get private servers to keep the predators out.

from Nick Arcade From Nick Arcade You're saying in the modern day Nick Arcade servers And either rate it That's a full Do you kids know Leroy Jenkins I mean

I think that's an old reference at this point Yeah it's probably 20 plus years old at this point Yeah You know what he's talking about That kind of It was a You don't have to

No it's fine It was a group of people We're doing a raid In World Warcraft And they were trying to plan it very carefully I yelled Leroy Jenkins just ran right in and got everyone killed. Okay.

It was an early viral video. You see, it was an early funny clip. Cool. I like the idea they bring Nick Arcade back and you have to play. You're inside the game now, but you also have to, like, get away from Predators also in the headset trying to come at you. It's a funny, fun extra element. Yeah, real, that brings the real world element into it. Let me bring up something just on the way of the door because I did not realize the Frank Marshall component of this.

Oh, yeah. Of this. I even didn't realize the Frank Marshall component when I was watching a behind-the-scenes video because, as we said, this attraction opened in 2020. And the behind-the-scenes materials were also shot in 2020. So, and it's pretty deep pandemic. So we're still wearing masks indoors even to make something where somebody's talking to camera. So the whole thing is like,

the board's photography as incredible visual. And there is, there is a part. they were really trumpeting the producer of it and it was incredible first of all that they credit the Lublam estate

I was really happy to be working with a Ludlam estate as well as incredible producer of Fred Marshall and I was like Fred Marshall who's that and then I'm looking up

Fred Marshall for a second then I realized okay I misheard it that was mask muffled and it was Frank Marshall two things really fast about that then they cut to the man himself And there's been a lot of talk on this show about what an orator this man is and the incredible dynamic speaking of Frank Marshall that makes you where you feel even if he has not spoken.

Just thinking about him speaking makes you feel as if he has spoken. That is what a speaker this guy is. And we haven't had a lot of opportunities to let Frank speak on the show. And so I'd like to do that really quick. I also really like this is like a funny like digital transition kind of screen where it like it's like code that shoots out of the middle and just the frame that I landed on. It's just his, it's just Frank Marshall's mouth. Whoa. Just poking out of a, I'll have to screenshot this first.

It's like a weird like, not in Wienerville, but something, some weird old Nickelodeon thing. There's something. Well, it's like it's just the mouth of the Conan Clutch cargo pieces. I hate to say this. I don't think you do You know what I was Is it about something that Griffin said earlier? No, it's like a Frank Marshall fleshlight

Michael I mean, well that's more crass than the eating ass I mean I guess it is yeah But that's look, that's what they did That's what they did they made me think of that Would you call that a Frank light because of the F Or would you call it a marshalite because of the SH? What has more of a ring to it?

If you were in the market for Frank Marshall Fleshlight. Anyway, let's not step on this guy with all this dirty shit. Let's let this guy, the kind of speech that we could have gotten if he spoke on the night where you yelled at us that he spoke. Here we go. Good evening. And thanks so much for having me tonight. Wow. I wish I could be there in person.

But I'm hunkered down here in a CIA safe house somewhere in Los Angeles. And they haven't given me the code to get out yet. But I'm really excited for all of you. because you are about to experience something like you've never experienced before. Oh, my God, isn't that? He's like, this electrifies. He's like Bob Chapech. He's so exciting to hear speak.

Oh, yeah, no, he's Cheapak level. And like, you know, we all endured that four-minute clip of Griffin blathering on and on, not rocking with his words one bit. And then this guy, yeah, can this guy rock when he talks? Can this guy rock and talk? I think we just dance. I think so, well, you know he's a DJ. You know, he's a DJ.

You know, do we know that? We do. You know that. You don't explain Frank Marshall things. We've talked about it on the show before. We talked about DJ Marshall. But remember, I forget everything that's ever said about this guy. He plays guitar with Jimmy Buffett.

Great. Of course. And he's a DJ. DJs on the, all the after parties, all the movies he produces generally. Jane kept asking me if he was dead. Who? Frank Marshall. Wait, why do you say keep asking you?

She asked me numerous times last night. Are you sure she's not dead? I talk about him all the time being dead and I'm like I think you're thinking of Frank Wells and she's like that's it oh a different friend I was like long ago death yes yeah um but anyways I that's not why I brought him up I there's something that I just in recalling Frank Marshall and being thrilled that he was going to come up again and we're going to get said that we would talk about him again I started looking at his body of war I looked at his Wikipedia I was looking at the things that he directed and just skimming through it and some of the

of these we know. We know arachnophobia and we know Congo and we know the Beach Boys documentary the worst piece of Beach Boys long form film material in 60 years of the band existing, bar none. We know these things that we know. But here's one that I'm not sure that we do know or it certainly hasn't been said on the show before. You guys familiar with the name Johnny Bego? No. Wow. Wow. I can't believe you have not. You who track every move of Frank Marshall, but also who tracks every move of somebody very close to Frank Marshall. I would like to play. This will just explain itself.

I'm going to play the theme song of a summer 1993 CBS television series. The show is called Johnny Bagel. And any questions that you have, maybe will be answered by the song. But if not, I will try to answer them for you. But here we go. Johnny Bago. Like rubbered text. Johnny Bego is the busomy lady.

A chimp kiss? Yeah, so like, okay, so some of this has been explained a little bit. We are watching a guy who, like, there's a gun goes off in sort of a mob type setting, but Johnny Bego, the titular character, was not involved in that he's framed by the mob for a crime that he did not commit, and he's forced to go on the lamb in a bago, in a win of Bego. That I did in my head. I was like, I bet there's a Winnebago. You figure if you wonder why baga.

I mean, imagine me before I saw, I'm just looking at the title, not saying it right. Johnny Baggo. What fuck is this show? But yeah, then Bert Reynolds movie style, you've got a monkey running around too. And of course, if you couldn't tell this, this Jimmy Buffett theme song. I mean, this is a wild thing. Nobody's ever come across this before? I have not.

Wow. And Denise Crosby was on the show? Does that the way she was on Star Trek? Yeah. The names are stacked of this show, including the creators of the show. This show was created by, have you ever heard of this guy, Robert Zemeckis? Robert Zamekis created the show. It's created by Zemecis, Peter S. Seaman and Jeffrey Price, who were the writers of Vufferan Roger Rabbit.

Frank Marshall produced Roger Rabbit as well. I mean, obviously, it works on the big future. But I think it was this crew just like, I actually watched an entertainment tonight about, how this show came together and the reporter said like according to the creators the premise for the show was concocted while the group was having fun. And I think is what it was. They just like what's something that would be like a reason to do TV where we would

all just get to hang out. Yeah. And that's where this show came for. And it's about like he's on the lamb but he has all these adventures and gets to like experience the rich fabric of our country. Wow. By becoming Johnny Bego. He wasn't named Johnny Bego before.

I guess I should say. Yeah. That was like nickname ascribe. Ascribe to him later? Yes, due to the bago. Right. This only ran for like seven episodes. I don't think this was well received at all.

But here is in this episode where we've talked about our guys, about Frank Marshall, about John Benkowski. It's a stacked lineup in general of who put this show together. In only those seven episodes, one's directed by Zemeckis, one's directed by Frank Marshall. One's directed by Brian Spicer. Who's Brian Spicer? He made a little movie called Mighty Morphan Power Rangers, the movie. Whoa. The man who brought Ivan U.

Wow. the big screen. Our guy is Pinkowski, Marshall, ooze. Ouse. And one more. Let's keep it creepy here because there's a guy named Oz Scott who directed one. He's not the creep. He directed a creepy character in a, I think, a Pockus the Ride canon, beloved film, Mr. Buggety.

Whoa. Really? Yeah. Yeah. The forces that brought you, Roger Rabbit, ooze, boogity, all came together. Buffett, the person who brought the people who brought you, the song Margaritaville. Wow.

Yeah. How about that? That's really. That's a great. Did you watch? Did you try watching it? Uh, no. I can't imagine.

It's probably not good. There's, that's the problem. I wanted to kind of do that show. I showed you like a year or two ago, uh, half Nelson, starring Joe Pashy and Dean Martin and Dick Butchis. Oh, yeah. And it's a huge cast and there's like, like, a long, like, I love L.A. Ripoff is the theme song, which I really like. Yes. But I'm sure the show

sucks, unfortunately. That's the unfortunate thing. But the opening's pretty fun. And it applies a lot of fun. And you got to love something. It's almost like they made a fake intro for a show that doesn't exist by virtue of the monkey being in it. Yes, the monkey in there is unbelievable. Stars a guy also who looks so much like Elvis. And in fact, he went on to play Elvis in Zemeckis's Next Project, Forrest Gump. Whoa. What's that guy's name? I don't know if I have a lot.

He looks like the guy from Silk Stalking. Peter Dobson. Okay. It's not. I don't know. Anyways, so look, I mean, this would be a little bit of a deeper cut. It'd be a little more obscure than the film franchises that have been in this theater thus far.

But if they wanted to try something different and have more vehicles and more action and more monkeys, you could do the Johnny Bego Stuntacular. We got to do Johnny. If Frank is trying to get all the properties into the parks. That's what we got to bring up when we meet him eventually. My Haph Nelson thing is watching that movie that was shot at Buffalo Bills Casino. Yeah. In Prim Nevada, the diehard in a casino where they ride.

There's like a chase scene where the one guy is riding a roller coaster with a gun going like, I want my money. And it's clearly going so slowly pulling into a breaking. area. There's a dog in half Nelson as well. There's a dog that gets a credit. Wow. Oh, you got to love that. Introducing Tony as hunk. This is not the half Nelson where Ryan Gosling is a drug addicted school teacher. This is a different half Nelson. A little more fun. Stu Phillips theme song as well, a Knight Rider, who I think a ton of, ton of TV like theme song and soundtrack stuff. and a man whose 50th or 60th wedding anniversary video I edited in his house about 17 years ago.

Wow. Is that on your IMDB? It is not. Oh, okay. To wedding video nobody's putting, well, somebody should. I brought this up before. I brought this up before because he signed his book to me and he said to one of the fastest editors I've ever worked with or one of the best editors I've ever worked with. Wow.

And he said, do you want a job at the NFL network being an editor because my son works there or my son-in-law works there? I said no. Do you regret that decision today? Well, I don't know. Would I rather done that than this podcast? Don't say it. Let me think about it. Don't say it.

You don't even care about football. Griffin already broke my heart. You don't need to break my heart again. You know what? That job to quote Griffin would have eaten ass and not in the good way. Not in the fun way. I mean like a, yeah. All right.

Well, I think we did it. I think you survived podcast The Ride. Can we go out with the half Nelson theme? Sure. We'll pull that up. For three bonus. episodes every month, check out, Podcast The Ride. Didn't you play it already, though?

You're going to play it again? I think we were playing it in Disney World. Okay. Oh, you didn't play it on the show. I don't think I played on the show. All right, well, then fine. Okay. Do you want me to play the Moby's song that's the end of every born movie going into the credits?

And I played at the time. Both of you played your songs at the same time. Okay. For three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast the Red, the second gate, or get one more bonus episode in our VIP Tier, Club Three. You'll find all of that at patreon.com slash podcast The Ride. Whoever has the song first gets to play it All right Mike wins

Fastest editor alive Oh no you bought all right Now Jason wins Jason wins He got it hard We'll have to do a full half Nelson episode later Yeah yeah but I mean you lost because then you pulled the phone away And did not continue playing it

Did I have to keep playing it? We started talking That's uh uh I don't know it's a oh come on Okay Victoria Jackson. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson, Jason Sheridan, Scott Gerdner, Brett Boehm, Joe Sillio, and Alex Ramsey. For more original podcasts, please visit Foreverdog Podcasts.com and subscribe to our shows on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keep up with the latest Forever Dog news by following us on Twitter and Instagram at Forever Dog Team and liking our page on Facebook.