Podcast: The Ride - The Haunted Mansion 7

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

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FOREVER! DOG! Warning! The following Hauntcast may contain Scrim Talk A Hall of Ill Presidents

Hypothetical Robert Downey Jr. Accents and Pat Sajak The Actor? Yep! Johnny Jr. Accents, and Pat Sajak. The actor? Yep, we're still doing this. It's Haunted Mansion 7 on today's Hauntcast.

The Fright. All right, everyone. Cappy. Cappy, yes. Cappy. Oh, you knew it. Cappy Lewis. You definitely, you were ready to go on that. Cappy Lewis. Okay, okay.

I know. Wait. Now, Jason, be honest. Were you ready to. Cappy Lewis. You definitely, you were ready to go on that. Cappy Lewis. Okay, okay. I knew it. Now, Jason, be honest. Were you ready to say Cappy? Because it seemed like nobody was on the same page as me just then. Well, I was ready to say my favorite track, Umbrella Man. Wow. You've just spun around your iPad with a photo of Umbrella Man. You have been getting happy with Cappy all year.

It turns out you're most listened to artist now. Yeah, recently. Yeah, Cappy Lewis. Right, and recently played on my Apple Music is, well, where is he? He's on there somewhere. Cappy, I was listening to him on the way over. Wow. Yes.

Wow. In the most recent, okay, okay. Look, I took that delay as a, which was an in-person delay. We're not doing this over Zoom. No, yeah. I took it as a sign that we did not remember the assignment from last year. But, you know, I'm ready to pounce on that stuff. I know.

I'm worried. But, you know, I guess I shouldn't be because last year you guys fulfilled the assignment and then some. Yeah. The yearly assignment that we leave uh here on these haunted mansion episodes and i'm thrilled with that i mean maybe we should listen to one of these really briefly uh but for now let me officially say welcome to haunt cast the fright uh with three grim grinning hosts who in high school rarely came out to socialize i'm'm the Gehrwolf over there. I forgot my name already and I can't

pull it up. Go, Jekyll Skeridan. Jekyll Skeridan. I'll find it later. Mike Cappison. I guess it's going to have to be for now. Because he plays the trumpet. Well, great. Well, here we are. Spiky Snarlgun. Spiky Snarlgun. Okay, great.

It rolls off the tongue. I don't know how you could have gotten that. Perfect. Yeah, it's perfect. It's a perfect name. You're just so excited to talk about this graveyard jamboree and all the many ghosts. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. And that's what we're here to do this year.

And it's also, I mean, this is more for me than for you guys. This year is kind of a year of picking up the pieces for me, and we're still grappling with what happened last year. Last year we did the Haunted Mansion live on stage at Dynasty Typewriter, and at the end of the show, I'm just going to get ahead of it, there was an unfortunate incident

that I take 100% responsibility for. I acted as if it was possible to finish the Haunted Mansion entirely within 30 seconds. I conveyed this via a video, and then I danced around like a fool. I made an ass out of you and me in doing so. And I, you know, the year has just, it's been a tough one. And it's brought me to this point where I have a lot of regrets about what happened, about the toxic display in which I embarrassed myself. And I say myself, but I feel like it was it was a different me it was a you

know that i've done a lot of work and i don't think that's the same me that you're that you're getting right today i don't want to go so far as to say that this was a michael richards-esque incident because i didn't say anything as hateful as that but this but the spirit was was hateful i think the spirit was in just as bad of a place. And that's, I mean, jump in. Don't pile on me because I've been trying. Or do. If you need to work through things about what I did, then feel free.

I mean, obviously at the live show, I sat on stage and just dryly went, it's not funny. For a while. And then everyone was laughing more because I was doing that. Yeah. And then my fury was sated by the many different types of candy they have backstage at Dynasty Dibrator. Well, we sat with some candy and we talked it over. And we realized maybe that was not the venue.

Obviously, they were laughing because they associate me with comedy and with physical comedy, even obviously they were laughing because they associate me with comedy and with physical comedy. Right. Even though they, you know, they shouldn't, but they knew they were witnessing a grim display. Yes. What I'm able to cop to now and admit to today more fully is that at the time I was grappling

with an addiction to speed. Not the drug speed. I mean, with speed, with speeding through topics, which is an energy I feel like I've brought to the show even in non-Halloween episodes. That's true, yeah. And, you know, just try to, that unfortunate spirit of trying to move things along

and make sure that they aren't too dry or cumbersome or whatever, but that's not me now. This is a new me. This is a new me this is this is a changed me um as you guys know and i think you know you've you've seen it probably less in the episodes and more hopefully in my my personal life and we've talked through these things yeah and i appreciate what you the work you've done thank you thank you personal work a lot of personal work i canceled myself right and now i'm back back to hopefully uncancel myself, but that's up to the audience ultimately.

Because if I could paraphrase the film Ferris Bueller, what I've realized is the haunted mansion moves pretty fast. And if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you might miss it. We're not going to be in here forever. We're not going to be in the graveyard forever. We're not going to be in the graveyard forever we're not going to be in the ride forever so what am i doing trying to rush through you know we're going to look back on these times as the greatest times in our lives uh you know most we're going to look back on a haunted mansion series that was

mostly done in our 30s but by next year all of us will be 40 uh-huh that's true um not just one of us and i would and i and it's also not the new me to call out the one of us who was 40 currently thank you yeah i appreciate that yeah yeah jason you should say thank you too so that nobody's sure which one it is oh yeah thank you yeah thank you me it could be me for doing that for obscuring yes yeah i think that should that should throw everybody off the trail wow but. But anyway, what I'm excited about is that this is going to be the first, after a lot of Haunted Mansion episodes, this is going to be the first one with a reflective Scott, a subdued Scott, a serene Scott. Any of the adjectives that were applied to Trump by New York Times editorials after the

shooting, you could apply all of those to me. I am changed Scott. And as such, here's what I want to do. We are taking our time. There is no rush. And in fact, any role that I've ever taken on of being the person setting the pace in these episodes, my hands are off the steering wheel.

This is entirely on you two guys at this point. I do want to make sure this is not an act and there's not like a minotaur about to burst into this that it's changed scott yes old scott consorted with nefarious minotaur types yeah but that was last yeah that was last halloween and then again you know in january or so but that you know that's a long time ago again, you know, in January or so. But, you know, that's a long time ago. That's, you know, as with Donald Trump, who was a completely changed man within two days. Yeah. Which stuck.

Now that we're, you know, we're so, as you're hearing this, we're so much deeper into an election site. We spent so many weeks cozying up to the change subdued, non-polarizing Trump. And, you know, it's the same thing. I've, you know, even if the Minotaur happened two days ago, that's a different man. So relax everybody. That's what this is going to be about. Cool.

Is relaxing. We don't even need, it's up to you. We don't need to leave the graveyard. My hands are nowhere near the steering wheel. I'm in the second back seat. I couldn't reach it even if I had a gripping pole. Oh, wow. Okay, well, let's let Jason steer the ship today, I think.

Yeah. That's my preference. I mean, I feel like you've always been a little bit of a moderate in this effort. I agree, yeah. You've found common ground with both of us. Jason has been the primary one saying, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait. And actually, I think if anything, today, I'm going to be the one saying, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait. Asking for more details, making sure that we really enjoy this time together.

Because we're not going to have it forever. Wow. That's very profound. Thanks. It's taken a lot of work to get there. You know what? You know what I'll say? This is perfect because I want to talk about a couple

things that aren't where we left off. They are back. They're going back. Because I just went on the Haunted Mansion. Okay. It is Haunted Mansion Holiday, of course. Sure, sure. This is another. We don't even have a plan for how to do it or when to do it. We don't know how this factors

into this yearly series. Right. So Haunted Mansion Holiday, I just went on a couple days ago when to do it we don't know how this factors into this uh this yearly series right so haunted mansion holiday i just went on a couple days ago and i want to praise the original mansion now we're not haters of haunted mansion holiday we're like a general disney fan who wishes it was just a little shorter of a window for haunted mansion even this time around i'm like what it's it's been it's been that since july something like that, yeah. I love the Halloween season. I want it to spread, but it feels weird, does it not? Yes.

And this occurred to me as I was going through Pirates, funny enough, that section where they took away the mist and the hologram. Right. I was going through there, and that is maybe my new favorite part of Pirates, is that dark tunnel. Yeah. Because it's mood it's so it's like serene but scary yeah and as soon as i started haunted mansion holiday and

it's like that jack was here and then blah blah i was like the mood is gone the complete like first part of the haunted mansion with the mood and the still and the somewhat like there's there's the ghost hosts but there's silence and you really like kind of melt into the scariness of it that's gone yeah and i really appreciated the the uh regular haunted mansion for it setting a mood which is missing in our modern film our modern tv a lot of rides they want to pummel you with things dialogue with this is what what Change Scott has been saying. Everything's so fast-paced. Why are we doing it?

What are we? We're gunning for the destination and not enjoying the journey. Exactly. It's funny you say this because it's a thing I've been thinking about lately, you know, going through the big book, going through the Jason Sorrell coffee table book and seeing clips of One at Mansion Holiday. As we must do.

Old Scott would have said, why are we slavish to reading this one book and repeating what we see in it page by page every year? Why do we just copy the work of Jason Sorrell and put it in a different form? But Shane Scott would never say that. That's not fair. We also look at two muggies a lot.

And Wikipedia. No insult to Wikipedia. And Wikipedia. I haven't gotten to the Fox Nolte book, but once again, I've been told it's very good. The Haunted Mansion, stuff that came after the movie, the Haunted Mansion,

the popular consciousness, and derivatives of the movie. Yeah. The movie is a lot more grotesque, I feel like. Which movie are you talking about? Nightmare Before Christmas. Oh, not a Haunted Mansion movie. I see.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The actual stop motion one is a lot more eerie. Yeah, for sure. I feel like than the kind of whimsy of the, you know. There's whimsy, but it's a little bit more messed up. Yeah. A little bit more off kilter. Yes, that's true.

It's almost like they took the energy of the, like, delivering presents sequence. Yeah. And made it entirely that. Right. And the others not the, like, yes, the more foreboding. Yeah, that's it's a little of a slower movie actually yeah not a lot of the uh insane doctor scientist character in the ride in fact i don't think there's any of them in the ride i also wish when they built it i don't

know if this is a bob ger thing they should have built it so that the ride could only go a certain speed because they move that thing so fast, and they still were doing that up until a couple years ago at regular mansion. That thing is motoring through the Haunted Mansion. Those doom buggies should be going slow, slow, slow. And they should have prevented it from happening in the early days, is what I'm saying. It should barely be a ride. What is the slowest it could possibly move and still technically be a ride?

Yes. So I was like, ah, this is going too fast. There should be individual people pushing each Doom buggy because how fast could a person make those moves? That's the speed. You should be at a very belabored, back-breaking pace for one person to push. Yes. So that, yes, I was really, I appreciated the original mansion in a different way when I was on it.

I also want to say this. Last year, I was hoping that we could do a whole section on the new Haunted Mansion queue and gift shop. That's right. I kept saying this in the live show. Yes. We did. And people were excited about it.

People were screaming Beatles-esque shriek every time the notion of discussing the new Q, the new landscaping. Yeah. Because the gift shop, they had recently shown art, I think last year, I mean, of this. And it was like, oh, they're really doing the graveyard up outside and they're going to be a little gift shop. And of course, foolishly, I'm a foolish mortal, I thought, oh, this will be built in a year. This is just a change in the line around and they're building a little shop for the merchandise.

No, wrong. They just went vertical on the gift shop. There's literally steel beams I saw three days ago. Finally, it's just like four beams and like a roof outline. And I went, this is just starting now? I mean, it's almost like believing hypothetically that if the Disney company comes out on a stage and tells you that everything that they,

a lot of plans they've announced are all gonna be wrapped up in five years. It's almost like believing that completely with no hedging of bets. That's true. Well, that's why they want you to, dreams and wishes and magic. Yeah.

So, like, get them into the fantasy because the reality is going to be construction walls for a decade. They should say, yeah, wishes, imagination, and then believe us. They should say, like, believe us. They should slip it in in these, like, little presentations. They might say it subtly if you listen, if you crank up that sound. We're hearing it subliminally. Believe us. I know.

Well, that also is what, you know, because it changed me who wants to take his time with this. I was looking forward to that cue so much. And it's why I have to institute the policy of just taking our time in the graveyard. Because I want to be talking about each bush. You understand? You know how much I want to change me wants to be here talking about the height and width and depth of every bush and what kind of what kind of bush they are. And then the full history of how long has that bush been grown in America? If at all, maybe we discover they're foreign bushes.

Yeah, I think there's- Brought here for the first time. Right. We could have, John, a little, like we could have like taken a little piece off each bush and then taken it to a forensics lab and figure out exactly which bush, where each bush is from. Oh, kind of an ancestry for, yeah, for plant life. Jason knows a bush, you know a bush guy probably that could do that.

Yeah, I could probably get in touch with a bush guy. Okay, because they could date the leaf that you give them. I'm sure they could figure out a lot of things about the leaf, and then we could do a whole leaf episode. But we can't now. We can't because it's not built. I'm sure they're still moving headstones. Yeah.

There's a virtual queue going on at the Haunted Mansion right now in the year 2022. If you're listening to this in the far future, it's 2024. There's a virtual queue for Haunted Mansion Holiday. Really? Yeah. That's the only way you can do Haunted Mansion right now. Oh, God. You have to get either at the 7 a.m. or the noon slot.

You have to get a reservation. That's the only a.m. or the noon slot, you have to get a reservation. That's the only time. Okay, so everything's more complicated, more expensive, and the whole resort is a construction site right now. Yeah, so there's only a little bit on the lawn you can walk through. The line goes fast-ish, but it extends out all the way almost into like Pirates, the virtual queue line. so it's a big mess it's still yeah you pay a lot of money it's tough to get reservations and impossible to get annual

passes to get into a into the disneyland that still has the issue of the pirates crowds and the haunted mansion crowds just like bash and bash yeah like you're like a like a giant West Side Story gang fight. Yes. And I, yes, the logic of not completing the queue for the Halloween season, to me, I don't know. How much money did they save for not finishing? And it's like they weren't thinking about us. Well, they certainly weren't thinking about us. And they never do.

And that's what we complain all the time. No. They never think about us. Yeah. We weren't a D23 front row cheering daddy on. they never do and that's what we complain all the time no they never think about us yeah yeah we weren't at d23 front row cheering daddy on well they also knew that we would have been there that they would have said all right new stark flight test right attraction boo what's up with the queue what's up with the new garden what kind of bushes are you using there's just what kind of bushes are

you using the word there should what kind of bushes are you using the war there should be a world if you didn't see d23 they did its presentation with the stark flight where it was bob eiger and then they revealed it was robert downey jr next to him in that world there should be a third reveal that jason is next to the two of them in the stark flight lab vehicle and i'm like got a notepad and my reporter fedora with the press thing in it. And I'm like, are you here as Tony Stark or as Victor Von Doom? The people want to know. Yes, then it would have been a video in this instance, not a photo.

Yeah. You would have said that in real life, but I wouldn't have shown. I mean, I could have held up what I was asking him. Is he going to have trouble keeping the parts straight in his head? If Disneyland is asking him to return to Tony Stark, a role he's probably long forgotten how to play, because he is so in Von Doom mode, and that amount of money that he's making, that means you are getting a, what, an $80 million performance? You said $80 million last time.

I underguessed before. I think it's at least, I read at least a hundred great and so he's putting he's he's putting a hundred million dollars worth of effort into his von doom yeah yeah and then and then disney's asking him to go the other way and also be this character that's that's dead to him that's ash to him how is he gonna do that well we can only ask so much of this one man. I think maybe they should see all the different variants of Tony Stark. And maybe one of them's like a whimsical 18th century scientist who can talk to the animals. Oh, smart. Yeah.

Now, this is another one of those where in a past me you might have tried to move past doolittle very quickly but i feel like my new spirit should be whoa whoa whoa slow down guys tell me something else about doolittle i don't know let's let's let's milk this tangent a little bit let's talk doolittle uh i think you know everything there is to know about doolittle you know about the wait it's okay. Let me see. He can talk to the animals, squawk to the animals. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah.

It's okay to be scared. Oh, that's right. It's okay to be scared. And then there's the French horn in the butt at the end. Oh, yeah. But that's really what you need to know. Dragon needed to fart. Spoiler alert.

Yeah. So that's the finish. That's the finish of the movie. So there isn't much more to say about that. But I'm hoping for an accent for Von Doom. That's what I'm hoping for. Oh, yes. I am really hoping for an accent from Robert.

Yeah, make him Welsh or something. It is. Well, now that we're okay, tangents are all right. I am hoping that there's no connection to Tony Stark. He just kind of looks like the guy, which to me is a funny decision. Because everyone's going to be like, well, what do you look like? And they're like, no, no, I'm not him. And then that's it.

I can't imagine that's what they're going to do. We'll see. But to me, that's a funny narrative choice of everybody's going, oh, my God, you're the guy. And he's what they're gonna do. We'll see, but to me that's a funny narrative choice of everybody's going, oh my god, you're the guy. And he's like, I'm not, I am a different guy. And then you're like, okay, and then we'll fight him. So you're from Transylvania is the idea. He should do like a Darth Vader thing

where his underlings go like, you know, you look like, and he just vaporizes them. Maybe, yeah. And it's a little gag, It's a funny little bit. What I think will happen, and I'll make a big prediction now, because what is this, 2026 is the first one or 2025?

I can't remember. Yeah, I'm not sure. I think 2026 is it? But we will still be, when it comes out, we might potentially still be in the graveyard. So I want to make a prediction that, because they said he will be Victor Von Doom.

My prediction is that it's a variant tony stark that was kidnapped by like mama von doom when he was little and then raised as victor but he actually he was tony stark and he has good inside of him yeah and at the very end of like secret wars he flips and does something. And either he dies or he lives and Iron Man 4 happens a year later. I mean, I think they'll, whatever the solution is that gets the most movies and him back together. So I think he will be related to Tony Stark, but we'll see. Yeah, yeah. That's my guess.

Can Change Scott say, no, no, no, slow down really quick? Yeah. And just, can I just ask for you guys to just name five Marvel comic artists off the top of your head? Oh, of course. Just say five names, really. And don't say anything funny. Each are back and forth. Just say, however you want to do it. Again, your hands are on the wheel.

Say five names and don't add any jokes or do anything funny. Well, in the history of Joe Manorera, Andy and Adam Kubert. Well that's two, so we're moving a little fast here. Slow down. Herb shrimp. Okay, good. Wow. Mike, it's not herb shrimp.

You're not just thinking about herbed shrimp so it's something you can get at a restaurant. No, I'm not, no. I'll say Mike Waringo. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. The late great. Wow.

Mike Waringo. Peace and love. Peace and love. He would sign Ringo as his signature. Oh wow. Oh yeah he would. Yeah.

Jason you want to? Oh. Wasn't that five? Oh yeah you're right. Yeah that was five. Sorry sorry. Yeah yeah. But again it's your

you guys if you and at any. But again, if you, and at any point in the episode, if you want to just say the name of an artist, feel free. Great, thank you. And at this, but with that, Jason, you're steering. Yeah, you're steering.

I'm not even sure exactly where we start. I think it's up to you to plan us in that mansion and take us on a ride. Well, I was pleasantly surprised to find out in the live show, I did mention the ticker gravedigger lit with, you know, real lighting, UV lighting, all other ghosts lit with black light to distinguish. Right. So I did cover that in a live show great

so i made a note uh that hey look i was surprised what we didn't cover is the giant scrim with the ghosts flying up in the sky very good yes yeah is is an old like magician technique known as the magic lantern so yeah when you're leaving the attic and your doom buggy is tipping over and you look over and there's ghosts flying out of the graveyard, that's what Jason's talking about. Yes.

And it is a very cool effect. Every trick, when you look into it, it's just like, ah, it's some old magician thing. It's some old 100-year-old trick. It doesn't like, other than like maybe those new like the beast effect in Japan and other things

which maybe those are still old magician tricks and we just don't know how they work. They might be based in some. Most things you go

oh it's Pepper's ghost. Most things are like oh yeah Houdini did that 100 years ago. Yeah. Houdini made it. Pepper really we owe everything to Pepper ultimately

Right Sure When I hear Pepper I think of Robert Downey Jr. Because Pepper That'll be That was the character I thought you were saying

That once he's finally Free of the hundred million dollar burden That then he'll make a movie Where he's Pepper Oh that's good too You get to find out How he made the ghost So that yes

Because he'll say then Because he says Pepper Potts is the name of Gwyneth Paltrow's character in the Iron Man movies, and he says Pepper a lot. So it'll be a similar thing to like Michael Douglas and Ant-Man saying Scott behind the candelabra. Yeah, right.

Where he calls Scott. R.I.P. Scott Thorson, by the way. R.I.P. Scott Thorson. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for the memories. Thanks for the movie. Yes. So hopefully he will make a Pepper's Ghost.

He'll be Houdini in time. Well, what needs to happen is he plays Pepper, and at the end, post-credits, he meets Hugh Jackman Prestige, and he meets Ed Norton Illusionist. Oh, wow. And he's back in his shared universe again. Of old mustachioed illusions.

Of old magicians. Yeah, magicians are just guys who have a lot of mirrors. And then they can recruit the name here, Etienne Gaspard Robertson, who kind of was famous for his magic lantern right illusions uh trickery made famous by belgian magician etienne gaspard robertson in shows in which he would project ghosts on duke gauze which was thin enough to see through and masked by smoke that's from doing buggies okay so that's another old magician i think part of the appeal part of what makes the haunted mansion special is you just layer trick on top of trick on top of trick and it adds to the

unease and the spookiness now whoa let's slow down uh i don't mean to put you on the spot but can you just find a list of 10 french names and say them all, please? Any French names? Wait, hold on. He's Belgian. Oh, sorry. Belgian names. Thank you.

I do not know where to start. I do know that name is pronounced Etienne, I think. Okay. I don't know off the top of my head. Next year, maybe we'll start with the list of 10 Belgian names. Any names. Any name. Any Belgian. They could just be like regular people living in Belgium today.

You could make them up. Wherever you want to get your Belgians is fair game. And this will be a real test because usually we say the assignment at the end of the last episode. You listen to the last episode before you start and you go, oh, that's right. So now this one we'll have to remember. It comes like a half hour into the episode, not at the end. Well, and mainly Jason.

Jason, we're getting off easier. Jason has to say 10 Dolgen names. Yeah. Okay. As long as it's clear, I was just happy that the Cappy thing was simple because I didn't finish last year's episode until about 8 o'clock last night. Sure. And I was listening, and I was

like, I hope I don't have to scramble to acquire something. Oh, yes. Oh, no, I forgot. I was sent on a mission. I have to find... Time is the Burbank Target open until... Wait, wait, they sent me into the sea? I have to

take an old map, and then it connects to a part of a broken watch and I have to put them together and then fuse them somehow and then magic is going to shoot out of that and I have to have that at the top of this fucking podcast. Honey, do we have any Pacific Ocean water sitting around? It's the only way to activate

the magic watch. Cappy also is the name of Mario's cap in Mario Odyssey. So that is like we have to get a sentient cap with eyes And wear it Oh yeah yeah yeah Okay so before the next episode Get a cap and bring it to life

Bring it to life yeah Then we're all like what do we Oh god Only solution I can think Cause I don't know any magic Only solution I can think of is to Masturbate into this hat That's how you bring it to life into this hat let's say bring it

to life that's the only way to bring it to life is to give it living beings to him to like bless it with living organisms and the only ones we can produce are sperm i like that look we've yes we've made life happen that's uh ultimately sort of that way. Yeah, sure. Can I say something serious about the scrim? Yeah. As a kid especially, I think, when you look over to the graveyard, the scrim takes away even you wanting to look at the ceiling to notice how big. I feel like it's a good trick to move your eye to prevent you from going,

oh, we're still in a room. It really helps make you feel like you're in outside, basically. In outside. You're in outside. You're in outside. Mm-hmm. And it's still like, you're like, ooh, look at that. It's still such a good trick, and it still looks good.

And the scrim itself is hazy. You can tell it's a scrim, but also it makes it look like it's foggy out there. Yeah. Yeah. Like you can tell, oh, there's something going on there, but it kind of just looks like it's fog or haze. It might be like the entirety of the atmosphere throughout the ride,

but especially this part of the ride is the use of scrims. Yes. Scrims are the secret weapon of the Haunted Mansion. Now, there is a story, and I don't remember if it's this part of the scrim, but I saw, it might be closer to Singing Bus, but according to the book More Mouse Tales, there was a grad night one year

where some teens trampled the graveyard, got out of, somehow removed the safety bar, got out and destroyed the scrim, among other things. This happened, this must have been by the, when that book was published, that must have been early 90s. And I'm thankful I didn't know about that before. It might have made me not want to talk about the Haunted Mansion at all. It's upsetting.

Too painful of a memory. Yeah, too upsetting, yes. Teens. If they knew the history of etienne and all of that they wouldn't have dared touch those screens this is why we need more magic education in schools that's yeah that's true we do need a whole hour of magic i'd like that as a parent if you got to high school and then had magic class magic 101 yeah that's true that's funny because that's what people thought that the the

toadins would do for mr like they thought people are going to steal the mr toad cars or destroy the ride not realizing that if you're a disney fan if you're enough of a disney fan to be posting right word about it online that means you are so scared of ruining anything right you would never you would never go near near any of these precious items made by the coats and the henches of the world. Like there are a lot of people online currently upset

about the Rivers of America closure and they post every day about what's going away. Yeah. Now I'm scared of some of them. That's a new, that's a different. Not all some.

Some are a new breed. Well, if you say I like the water and I like the boat and I don't want them to go away, of course. We agree with that. Yeah. When you say Disney is destroying our heritage or Disney hates America. Disney hates America is my favorite one.

Then perhaps we're on a different side. We're on a different viewpoint. Something deeper is going on. I like the water. And then also, again, I'm glad you gave me permission to talk. Slow down. No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait.

Because ultimately, and I see this in a lot of spheres, fan spheres, people upset for corporations making various decisions. Ultimately, a lot of these decisions are made because of capitalism and how corporations are continuing to just try to maximize profits out of every square inch of land or every IP. They're trying to, well, there's no IP on Rivers of America. We should just shove cars there. It's just water. What's the IP of water? That's a runaway capitalism decision that's not a hating america decision but it's funny because the people that are the most pro america and like are worried about the history of america they don't want to put those two and

two together and realize that the capitalism is really what is this is making disney decide to replace their beloved river with cars. Right. That's what I would say. But no, it's like Disney hates Benjamin Franklin and all he did for the country. He's like, Disney doesn't give a shit about Benjamin Franklin. That's true. But you are not tying these two decisions together.

You're finding scapegoats. And this happens everywhere. It happens in Star Wars. It happens everywhere. Sure. Well, I mean, it's tough to talk about hating America because in a few, you know, in mere days we might elect two people who hate America. Their names are Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. All right.

We need to do everything we can to make sure it doesn't happen. Right. The two biggest America haters might be steering the ship in days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's tense. It's always tense doing these. I know. Elections right around the corner.

Of course. But let's, Jason, you don't have to. It's always tense doing these. I know. Elections right around the corner. Of course. But let's, Jason, you don't have to steer us anywhere, but if you want. Oh. No, I wasn't prepared for that, were you? Well, no, I was just thinking. Well, we talked about scrims a little. I don't think, I'm sure I learned this fact at some point and forgot it but there are more i guess they're technically scrims throughout the graveyard party you know yeah dividing all the ghosts all the little scenes that are going on i think to prevent light bleed and also to help

the illusion of making it look like the graveyard just goes on forever. Yes, there's like depth, like messing with your depth of field a little bit, your vision. Yeah. It does lead, and I've said this, I don't know if I've said this on a Haunted Mansion episode, it does lead to like, kind of like squinting to try to make out some

of these ghosts. And I think some of that is good, but then you see Hatbox Ghosts ghost which is a new animatronic and you go could they replace all of these with this fig this type of figure and would it ruin it would all those ghosts being clear ruin it in some level or could you have a couple close like that and then keep keep it as is for the rest of them or the farther away ones i don't think it would bother anybody if there were some bright ghosts. I don't think so, but maybe you want the bright

ghosts up front, but then would that distract from the less bright ghosts in the back? You want a crisp loot player. You like one. Well, you get a little spoiled by how crisp the Hatbox Ghost is, because it's such a new

robot, and it looks like a ghost but you get so close to him and then you're led into a room full of non-crisp ghosts on yeah uncrisp non-crisp ghosts is what you're viewing for the rest of the time and it's it's fun because it gives you it they're ghostly but you're like i bet there's some features on these faces that i would enjoy looking at they're whimsical characters or they're not or there's some features on these faces that I would enjoy looking at. They're whimsical characters. Or they're not. Or the scrims hide that they never made any features.

That's true, too. The scrim could be hiding the lack of features. A real question that is going to dictate how long we're in the graveyard is, how much do we care or like any of these specific graveyard ghosts? Or is it just about the atmosphere and that there are a bunch of them but are there are there individual ghosts as we assess the scene that are like well that we have to really give some love to well them their flowers there's definitely ones that deserve that are doing fun stuff and there's also ones that you just like discover because

because there's so many, like the ghost on a bike and stuff, like things that you go, oh, maybe I didn't notice that for the first 10 years of going. So I don't know that I have a specific favorite one that deserves its own episode, but we can definitely list some other favorites,

different effects. Because really what it is is they're more effects or what they're doing versus they're actually like oh that character suggests a fun guy like the middle pirate who's singing on pirates of the caribbean when you get to that barn that guy is great that guy deserves maybe his own episode i don't know you're talking about and he you've thought of it you would just went on it and you thought middle pirate is its own thing well right and because he's the one who if you catch the right part of the song stop singing the yo-ho yo-ho and he starts going like one pirate sings this funny little background yeah like warble yeah

and i i'm like that gives him his own little unique thing. Yeah. So, but I, you don't get that from all these ghosts. You can't tell who's singing what necessarily. You can't tell who's like, you can't tell what their faces look like. I, that middle pirates burned into my brain. I know his face. I wake up thinking about him sometimes.

You do. I didn't know this relationship you had with the middle pirate. Lindsay actually one who pointed him out. She's like, Oh, I like this guy. Cause he's saying he does that little singing part. Now, anyone feel free to say, hey, wait.

Wait for your turn. Get back in the order. But when you talk about that crazy musical improv, that is apparently a thing with the opera singers who are towards the end of the graveyard scene. This via an interview with Buddy Baker, who put the music together, now I don't have the name, the last name is Norman, but I didn't cover the first name, but there is the female opera singer

who they brought in, had like perfectly trained on the melody that she was given, and could nail it in this very studious way, and then during the recording, Buddy Baker said, this character is supposed to be a nut, so just ad-lib all over the place.

But she was kind of resistant to it because she knew it one way, not willing to depart and improvise. But then she ultimately did do this very wild, much like that pirate, which is sort of what people like about this sequence, that it's a bunch of crazy nutty nonsense. The full name, Luli Jean Norman.

Okay. Luli? Luli. Yeah. Soprano Luli Jean Norman and tenor Bill Reeve. Okay. Now, is this good license to just talk for a while about our feelings about the series The Sopranos?

Jason, what do you think? Oh, it's been a while. I do think about restarting it recently. Yeah, I would like to. I don't have any time, but when I will have time, I would like to re-watch. Sure.

Great. I watched it. These are some excellent Sopranos. I liked it. Great. Pauly Walnuts is a funny guy. Rest in peace. He's in The Haunted Mansion.

He was a real mobster. Did you know? Pio Mai is one of the hazy horses. Maybe you can see. Wrestler Tommy Dreamer, his kids are in the Sopranos. Is that little kids? Really?

Yeah, they're in the car. Lin-Manuel Miranda is in the Sopranos as a bellhop. Yeah. Will Arnett in The Sopranos as well, FBI agent. This is very good. Have you seen The Sopranos? Have you watched it? Some.

I haven't finished it. I know I should. That's a bad thing to admit. That's all right. I've liked it. I've seen it. I haven't finished it. I'm not mad.

This is great. We got a list of names. We got a list of names. This is wonderful. Can I admit this? I feel like we're being set up. I feel like something's coming. The axe is going to drop. The hammer's

going to come down. I'm trying to make you guys relax, but at this point, it's a boy who cried wolf. It's too good to be true, I think. Something's happening. I don't know how. I'm trying to think what could be. No, it's so good that it is true. I've changed. I've changed, Scott.

And I'm allowing it. And let me throw one more in. If you guys want to take any time in this episode to talk about any complaints that you have about the internal messaging system of a healthcare app that you're using, take as much time as you want. 10 minutes, 15 minutes. I want to hear everything that's not functional about it and what's good about it. I have thoughts about that, but I'll save it for later. Okay.

Look, the healthcare system is broken in this country. I hate to go. I went off on capitalism a couple minutes ago. Look at this. I cut Mike loose and suddenly we're getting, you're carrying down all the pillars of our society. Doesn't make sense. I think you hate this country as much as Tim Walz does.

I don't know about that. He hates the country a lot. He really does. It's very evident. You talk about he's the one running the long, I'm saying, I'm making you guys nervous. I'm nervous about this guy pretending I'm a football guy, running the mill, I eat chili. Fuck you. I'm on to you.

I'm on to you, man. Jason probably has some gripes with him just about the different state fair meats he eats and his feelings on that. Because he's such a folksy guy, goes to those state fairs, and he has certain types of meat. He has not come out with his stance on pork rolls. He has meat he's mentioned. I've never heard of that before, and maybe Jason knows. Governor Walz, did you eat the deep fried ranch in the Minnesota State Fair or not? That would be if we could get you.

Yeah. Maybe to question him before the election. You could do a little sit down with him. Yeah. Well, meets interview. I think that's an interview that they wouldn't hire him. Can I say sometimes you look at pictures of of the graveyard scene and they don't it doesn't look like it does when you're on the ride live. This is just a photo from Mice Chat, and the effect is really cool.

It looks kind of almost neon in a way that this doesn't look like the mansion when you're on it. I think it's hard to photo. This is a very difficult thing to photograph. Did somebody take that while riding it it or is that a posed photo? I don't, I don't know, but, but it's almost like it gives it a different vibe.

I don't know that I necessarily need the vibe to be more like kind of neon, but you can definitely make out the faces easier. Well, and then if you photograph with the lights on, like this photo of two of the goofy band members, it's like, oh, they're all kind of baby blue and cream. Right. Because that paint has to show up.

Can you show me that photo again? I want to see what is baby blue and cream. I mean sky blue, I guess. That could be, yeah, no, I guess I see what you're saying. Baby blue and cream is just a phrase that seems like it would be like your album. It does sound like. Yeah, it's a trick Princeton released. Jason Sheridan, Baby Blue and Cream.

Yeah, I covered the Neil Young track, Baby Blue and Cream. It's a Neil Young. I would sing more like a jazz thing. Oh, okay. It's a Neil Young. Kind of a cappy kind of song. It's more of a cappy thing. I guess it's more of a cappy thing.

This guy I really like, and maybe I missed his name. Jason, help me out if you know it. He's sort of sitting in the casket, and he's got a little cup of tea, and he's a little guy. And I don't know. He's got kind of like a little grin on his face, and I don't even really know. He just almost looks like a Rankin and Bass elf.

He looks like the Heat Miser or the Snow Miser or whatever. And I really like him. He's got a top hat on. He looks like, shoot, the guy from Laugh-In who's in Wedding Crashers. This is great. This is exactly where I want to be. If Laugh-In cast members are being discussed, Change Scott is so happy.

And if Mike is taking a bunch of time to not talk and look him up, this is a... Oh, old me would have been so frustrated. Thank God he's dead. Thank God he's gone. What is this name? In fact, let's all not say anything until the name comes up. He's so great, and I can't think of his name, but he's a funny...

You can't think of the name of a great guy from Laugh-In? You can't think of the extended cast of Wedding Crasher? I just, you know what? For years and years, I could never remember who did Piglet's Voice, who was on the Bob Newhart Show. John Fielder, and finally I remember it now. I've remembered it so often now that my daughter's watching so much poo. But Henry Gilbert Gibson. Henry Gibson is my-

Not Henry. No, Henry Gilbert's our friend. Henry Gilbert's the guy who's been on our show. He does talk at the Simpsons show. But no, Henry Gibson is the guyigestion Henry Gilbert is the guy who's been on our show We just talked Simpsons show But no Henry Gibson is the guy I'm thinking of He looks like Henry Gibson to me Which makes me happy Jane and I just rented Trap

We saw Trap Whoa whoa slow down Via what service? What streamer did you rent it from? I had a credit on Amazon How much of a credit? I'm tired of you speeding through this, Jason. $6. Good.

Wow, that's a big credit. So I rented it on Prime. We're watching the opening credits, and the name comes up Hayley Mills. Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. She is an older FBI profiler in the movie. This, by the way, we're going to be, and this is more of an old Scott complaint, this October

series is going to be so full of discussion of the months-old film Trap. That is true. Several episodes now. But that's an old me thing. I'm sorry, Jason. I think it's probably out of theaters by this point, so it's reasonable to rent it. You know? Yeah. Anyway.

It is reasonable to rent it. We were like, is that parent trap Hayley Mills? And sure enough, it was. That's her, yeah. Yeah. She's back. She was at D23.

She was singing the songs, the old Let's Get Together. Let's Get Together? Yeah. So she's back. Hayley Mills is back. Yeah. This is the kind of thing

old Scott would not have stopped to smell the roses. We wouldn't have landed at points like Hayley Mills is back. I feel like you're going to kill stopped to smell the roses. We wouldn't have landed at points like Daily Mills is back. I feel like you're going to kill us by then or something. I don't understand. Here I'm coming at you with nothing but kindness. You're going to physically attack us to end this episode.

You're acting as if I've wired the building, and when I take a convenient bathroom break, that is when the building will implode, and layers of bricks will crush you both. This is more stressful than a Lady Raven concert that turned out to entirely be a trap. This is like Chekhov's... I have not

trapped you. This is no trap. I've tried to say this joke three times already. People are going to be hearing me. I'm going to do it again. It's like Chekhov's niceness or something. It's like the niceness is lingering and like when is it going to... like checkoff's niceness or something it's like the niceness is like lingering and like when is it gonna uh nor checkoffs it doesn't really make sense it's not a really good joke i shouldn't have said it i'm gonna edit it out no this is like this could be like shakespeare shakespeare bob i was gonna say shakespeare bob this is the famous simpsons character

sideshow bob when he's nice in the one with Sideshow Cecil. Yeah. And he actually is nice. There'll be a shoot. Yeah. Well, we'll see. We'll see. Jason, just stay on your toes, Jason.

For once, I'm not trying to kill you. Stay on your toes. Keep your eyes open, Jason. Get off your tip. Kick up your feet. Don't even worry about what your little toesies are doing. All right. Okay.

And this is how great does it feel because at this pace i don't think there's i'd be shocked if we got done with the graveyard right which yeah i don't think we've talked about like two things that well i talked about my little guy is all about my little guy we talked about uh-huh uh-huh well who else are we talking about jason you got any oh you character? Well, there's cats and owls in the graveyard. Yes, I never see them. And they make noise that kind of adds to the sonic symphony going around. So the meows and stuff.

The meows and the hoots. Now, are those ghost cats and ghost owls, or are those living cats and living owls? That's a good question. I think they're're living i think they're living as well the picture is that i'm looking at they seem to be lit which is like regular lighting right i'm looking up i'm seeing photos of just graveyard cats yeah i think we're i think we're dealing with just regular cats here. Right, because they have the pet cemetery in the queue, but I think those animals are alive. Yes. So that's good. There's a lot of tea drinking happening in the graveyard.

With a floating teapot. Yes, there's a lot of tea drinking. I mean, I think these characters are drinking more cocktails. There's characters at a little table here. These are more like circular, almost like a glass you would have the Carthay Manhattan in. You know what they kind of look like? They're Glotinis.

They do look a lot like Glotinis. It's like a drink I would have at the Tron Electronic Festival, whatever it's called. Not a festival, but it should be a festival. It should be a touring festival. It should be yearly. It should replace Coachella.

But yeah, these guys are all having spots of tea. This is like a bigger cup here. So it's like people are having different types of parties in the graveyard. Everyone's not having a sort of unified party. Everyone's having their own little gatherings, and it leads to this one sort of Grim Grinning Ghost sequence. But all, like, appropriately, you say that because it's all like the music track.

It all kind of ties together. There's, like, the one bass track of Grim Grinning Ghost. And there's all the weird instruments um uh just as there are like yeah there's there's the music there's the instrumental and then there's the singing bus slow down slow down we're not at the bus I was about to say I mean I old Scott might say the singing bus would be an interesting thing to talk about this year, but no pressure. We'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. Slow down.

You ain't racing yet. You ain't racing yet. Again, I'm giving a slight suggestion. That's the kind of thing that you should still do. I'm not opposed to going there. It's up to Jason, really. Sure. Okay.

Well, what would you like to talk about before we discuss the singing bus? You ain't racing yet reminds me, I hope, with the new cars coming next to Haunted Mansion. I hope you get a Mater fart. I hope you can hear Mater farting from the Haunted Mansion line. That's all I'll say. It's going to be a nice thing to add to the atmosphere. Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you think that, look, that is on topic because the proposal right now is moving cars to Rivers of America. But that is right by a haunted mansion in Florida. Well, I mean, again, Old Scott might say that we are keeping my listeners in all this time. We have never discussed the Disney World Haunted Mansion. It's related. It's related. There's an offhanded comment here and there. There's an offhanded comment here.

We make offhanded comments once in a while. Once in a while. But it hasn't been a fully dedicated Disney World Haunted Mansion yet, which has different things, the Escher Room and various different things. I don't know. What are you turning into? I don't know. Look, we have a lot to talk about because they just threw the hatbox ghost in there,

sort of willy-nilly. Oh, that's happened now? Yeah, he's just hanging out in one of the early rooms. But yes, there's going to be cars racing in front of the Haunted Mansion, which I guess they'll try to... We say this, but we're all acting as if Disney

doesn't. We don't know how they'll hide it. It's probably a tree line. We don't know how it'll hide, but it does feel like you'll hear... That's a point of view i've seen is just like you know loud exhaust pumping cars ruining the haunted mansions but like i hope you're a professional disney blogger or whatever you think they're not going to do anything to make this a pleasant i would area transition so i don't think the cars pump exhaust

either but should we make i mean we can make bets because we love to bet now. We can make bets. Will you be able to hear, I want to say Mater farting, but maybe we expand it. Will you be able to hear any of the cars from the queue of the Haunted Mansion in Florida? I don't think so. You think no? I think they will try to soften it, but I think you'll hear people screaming, which actually might fit for Haunted Mansion. Okay.

Also, you think about it, like you said earlier, they're not making the connection that it is capitalism. A big, fast car next to a dilapidated old building is very American. You mean like it's actually more American if there's cars next to one? If there's like big nasty cars like zooming by the regal old like mansion next to the colonial street. Actually, if they could pump, like if they could use gasoline and they could make the Colonial Street. Actually, if they could use gasoline, if they could make the whole thing stink. You want them to make it like Autopia

from the 1950s. Yeah. Like a freeway built next to a historical landmark. I see what you're saying. So the one thing is like a protected landmark, but because the 10 feet over isn't, America will throw cars there. Yeah.

Okay. Or maybe like, maybe it's time to flip, you know, Liberty Square. Like maybe it's time to make it Little Vegas, you know. Maybe it's time to put up some neon and stuff. Put some slot machines in it? Oh, yeah. Someone think this world is missing. Some progressive slots. Here's what i okay i will bet five dollars that you will be able to hear some car noises from

zoom around in the distance i don't know if there'll be farts i hope they are but i at least zooms and then i believe in within 25 years there will be a slot machine on the grounds of disney world so this is this one we gotta hold on to this is gonna be a long time yeah but i do believe 25 years which is when probably we will make it to the disney world haunted mansion and yeah how it's different i'm gonna be a full benjamin button baby at that point what i age backwards the reveal that yeah i age backwards we've all been trying to place our finger on like why is jason somehow he's the one who knows about like what songs from the last three years are but also he's from the 1800s that's why you're it's been you've been

benjamin budding budding the whole time benjamin budding shorten it not but Jason is Benjamin but not Benjamin button that's just a little nickname he picked up along the way to fart it feels homey to me call him Benjamin but from now on folks that's what he'd like to be referred to now that he's revealed it here this is no what I'm it's not like I, look, talking about ghosts, I haven't fully exercised old Scott. You know, he's in me somewhere. And I just have to tell you that he's, I am receiving these vibrations reminding me

that talking about the singing bus might be fun this year. But again, I can, it's on me to suppress those. I can push those down. We do not have to listen to that guy. Shove those down, please. That asshole. Yeah. those i can push those down we do not have to listen those down please that asshole yeah i old scott i i don't i have to agree with you because there's a lot of good names to be said wow yeah please yeah give us the good names okay well we're talking about the singing bus i haven't

talked about the ghost i like oh yeah please i i always forget there, but the executioner and his victim. Oh, yeah. That's a pretty good visual gag. Okay. So isn't that after the sing bus? We really, I throw it to you guys. We're jumping around. The whole, the order situation.

I thought it was you who were adherent to the moving through it in order scenario. And now it's all willy nilly now that you're in charge. It's a cocktail party. Well, that's what's happened. Remember, you're in charge party remember you're looking around like this might be the most is this the busiest in a good way i guess some of the big pirate scenes i guess so yeah that you're you're very much looking around they're all blinking and coughing and shit. They are coughing.

They're all ill. I wish they all coughed in a manner appropriate to the ailments of their time. Now, that would plus up that. If you could watch them all die the way that they actually died, it'd be dark for some of them. The one getting the cherries, eating the too many cherries and getting beef bullion shoved up his butt who died of cherries one of them one of them president died of cherries like he ate too many cherries or he was a president cherries and died is that right there is a president there there's a thing i think one of the presidents who was shot got a bunch of liquor and bullion shoved up his butt

Zachary Taylor what I'm reading is let me find cherries for 4th of July it was a big outdoor celebration and he was very tired hot and tired he drank iced water and consumed large quantities of cherries and other fruits

he suffered severe stomach pains for the next 5 days this is very much like Jason and the bananas. This is why it's good that Jason's careful with the bananas. I love ice water too. Oh no. Jason's a big supporter of ice water in general. Yeah, we did just learn that. Yes, lemon and ice water.

Diagnosed as suffering from cholera morbis by his physicians, Taylor ate slivers of ice for relief until his body began rejecting fluids. And then five days later, he said, I have always done my duty. I am ready to die. My God. It's kind of out of nowhere. So there you go.

Wow. There was a President Cherry's death. But I think that's different than beef bouillon being shoved up your butt. Well, if you're shot, you know, what are they going to do? Could all, okay, you know, there's been so much talk of, I want to mention, of Hall of Presidents going away. Instead, could they just add each president holding a bloody rag and they hold it up and cough a couple times during the show?

Because that would plus it up and that would give it a little more realism. That would be amazing, yeah. So they all, and then they look, they examine the rag full of blood. Yeah, they have to look at it. It looks stricken. Can I say something about the band? I know we're going,

we're jumping all around. And I will say, we kind of talked about the band last year. I listened. But that's an old Scott thing. Just, you know, he's still in me.

And I don't know, maybe I'm forgetting if we actually address this. What's funny to me about the band is the band looks like they're made up of different time periods.

They're not all this, they're not all uniform. so they maybe all didn't die at the same time. They didn't know each other when they were living. It looks like there's one guy from the Civil War playing, I think, drums. Then there's just a guy in his pajamas playing that long horn. I really like the idea that all these guys came together to form a band in the afterlife yeah yeah no djs though there's nobody who's died recently that would be a very good addition they should yeah this would be a good way to yeah just to like keep mod he doesn't have to do much but you throw a little bit of scratching in there right because assuredly there's i don't know

for a fact but i bet hundreds of DJs die every year. Let's pay tribute. Let's look at the census. Let's look at and see what the rate is. So you want a ghost with like a ghostly MacBook Pro in front of them. In the back. Yeah. Yes, in the back.

And I guess it maybe would ruin the flow to like all of a sudden change it, like change the Grim Grinning Ghost song to like dubstep. But it would be what the DJ might do. to like all of a sudden change it like change this grim grid and go song to like dubstep but it would be what that dj might do or i guess you could even just add in a few scratches like a limp biscuit track well yeah you just add some random ones here and there because they had so many tracks and they were like cherry picking yeah exactly careful careful careful zachary they're cherry picking what to use and then recording tracks in reverse and then flipping them so they were correct but sounded a little off you know we should not they should not put

in the ghost of any of the members of lmfao who we as we have learned a lot as jason questioned yeah yeah if we open yeah but I guess that is technically true. We all have to go at a certain point. So, singing bus, singing bus. Oh, sorry, he's in me. I have to shove him down. Singing bus, singing bus. Shit, fuck.

You guys, that's the threat. It's not current, Scott. It's that old Scott might come back and take over the episode. Oh, no. Get down there, singing bus. No, guys, please, talk about something that has nothing to do

with the Haunted Mansion fast. Well, you know, at the very last LMFAO show, they both said, I've done my duty and I'm ready to die. You've now switched. Now your theory

is that they have both died. Well, they said that in unison. It was crazy. You can't find the unison. It was crazy. You can't find the video online. It's illegal. We were sexy and we knew it. I think somebody online figured out what you were confusing it with, though, right? Wasn't it somebody from Migos died?

Somebody from the group Migos died. I remember someone from Migos dying separately. And there was like an uncle connection in that like there is in LMFAO. It's an uncle-nephew band. The rare uncle-nephew band. Well, that's funny that you're not just taking this and going, yes, that's what I meant. I forgot about the uncle.

I think he's still convinced that somebody in LMFAO is dead. That's what I think, too. I think he does not want to admit he's wrong. He's like still... He already declared both of them dead. Now it's two. The numbers are dead. That's what I think too. I think he does not want to admit he's wrong. He declared both of them dead. Now it's two. The numbers are climbing. He's going to declare that three of them are dead and there aren't even three members. I'm trying to get something a little more hip

and current in the Haunted Mansion. Mike was trying to get the Jared Leto ghost in there and now they're docking his pay on this Tron movie because the Haunted Mansion did so poorly. Yes. Wait, we were going to read names, but you're holding off on the names? Is that what you're doing?

Oh, I mean, I think we covered the party. Oh, I see what you're saying. The Graveyard Band. I think we could get to the bus. I have stuff on the bus. Oh, my God. All right. Wow.

We're going to talk about the singing bus in this episode. Hold on. Hold on. I want to make a point in general. Fuck you, Michael. Sorry. Hold on. Hold on. I'll get you in the end. Shit. We're going to talk about the singing bus. You know what? Hold on. Hold on. I want to make a point in general. Fuck you, Marco. Sorry. Hold on. Hold on.

We'll get you in the end. Shit. Ah, fuck. And I've seen a lot of people make- Old Scott, be careful. I know. I'm trying. I'm trying to get through it.

But this is such, this is to me, this is the quintessential scene, the graveyard scene, the pirates setting the town on fire. This is the stuff you think about when it's like foundational Disney ride stuff. And this is what they don't want to do as much anymore because it's all IP stuff and it's all like single scenes and they point you in a direction of some action happening versus just floating you into the room full of or floating you floating both ways works into a bunch of robots and you pick where you're looking. That's what you're looking that's what you're going to decide what you want to see and i feel like we're not getting as much of that anymore and it's really hard especially when it's movie stuff because they just want to show you the famous scene from x whatever movie uh their ride is based on so i yeah i mourn the loss of sort of

these party scenes because i feel like this is such an important thing. And I think it's good to reflect and focus on what ambiently is bad today instead of talking about the thing we like that is in the graveyard scene that we could be talking about at any second. But I think it's good what you're doing. Thank you. I don't know that i'm feeling your sympathetic vibrations correctly i'm feeling vibrations you heard the words i said i did hear the words but i don't know that i felt them i don't know that i felt the sympathetic vibration yeah thank you no i just i want to get all of the negative negative feelings that you

have out before we can say the five funny names of the singing bus. Okay, all right, all right. Jason, you want to say the names of the singing ones? Sure. Well, Scott, you're so excited. I feel like you should say, do you want to say the bus names or the actor names? We can split them.

Let's split them. Let's split them, yeah. Now, do we know the order? But I don't actually know if it's a left to right order. I mean, I know which one is the broken one. Yeah. But yeah, throw me whatever. Why don't you say these names and I'll say the actor?

Okay. Great. I'm going from left. Rolo Rumkin. Yeah, that's Vern Rowe. Great. Uncle Theodore. That's the great, thorough Ravenscroft.

Of course, yeah. Cousin Al. I'm seeing it as Cousin Algernon. Algernon? Yeah. Flowers for Algernon, of course. What was that name from? Chuck Schrader.

Ned Nub. Ned Nub. Jay Meyer. And let's get this out of the way. Ned Nub is not Nien Numb. Right, from Star Wars. Nien Numb. How do you say if it's N-U-N-B?

Nien Numb is always what I've said, but I don't know. I actually was calling him Nien Numb for years and years, and I've heard Nien recently. Ned Nub is a real precursor to that. Yes, for sure. And finally, Phineas Pock Now I'm seeing it as a Phineas P. Pock I'm getting a middle initial in there

This is why it's good that we consulted Several different websites Ned Nub, by the way, J. Meyer I said that, but sure That's an old Scott thing Why didn't I Oh, God I'm still getting used to it, guys

Irish tenor I'm still getting used to my programming Sang at the Golden Warshut Old Scott would also say He didn't even say the name of Phine'm still getting used to it, guys. Jay Meyer, Irish tenor. I'm still getting used to my programming. Sang at the Golden Warshoot. Old Scott would also say he didn't even say the name of Phineas Peapock, which is Bob Ebright. But that's, again, that's a... I'm still, you know, it's like I'm still breaking into these shoes. We're trying something new.

We're, you know, we're sharing the names. We're doing it on our feet. We're finding it live. Finding it live. Yeah, we're doing it live. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, you were saying Jay Meyer is what now?

He was an Irish tenor. Sang for many years at the Golden Horseshoe. Tor a laura lai. All right, so we just jumped right into those names. But let's say a couple things, bigger picture about the singing busts. One is, and I don't think I realized until last year when I did this research, foolishly, that you are looking at the faces of who is singing the song. Yes.

These were not actors hired later to pantomime. And I remember putting that together as I became a fan of Thurl Ravenscroft, the rich baritone voice who is throughout all these rides that we love. And once I clocked what he looks like, I'm like, oh, that's him. That is him on the bus singing. So I wonder if that's true of all of them. And in fact, it is. They think they, I don't know if this was coordinated or if they recorded the vocals and then realized, hey, these are five weird looking guys. They all kind of look like ghosts as it is. Why go hire five other people?

But that gets you into a different place than Madame Leota, a character from 2021 or so. Yeah. On this series, who that is one face and then a different voice dubbing, correct? Right, yes. So yeah, you are looking at the faces of these odd singers. Right. That is who's doing it. And the second fact, that of course answers, and I think if you're listening to this show, you know this one's not true, but this is very urban legend, that not one of these five men is Walt Disney.

Yeah. I know, I always thought. Something that a lot of people believe for many years, that he snuck in there. As a kid, I thought it was, because I think Thurl specifically, because he's got the mustache. That's who people think it is.

And that's who I always is, up until I'm sure my early 20s or later. I don't know. I was too old to learn. I needed to know that before but it seems like it just looks like an old man yeah but we're all still improving and bettering ourselves yeah turning new leads so i'm admitting i'm comfortable now admitting that that at what age 29 perhaps or even in your 30s wow too old to to learn that thorough was not walt disney but yes it would

makes it it feels very i don't know, it felt right. It felt so right. So I understand why so many thousands and millions of people think that. Thurl, I used to mistakenly think that was the ghost host. That's Paul Freese. What? Paul Freese. Yeah. Thurl's other, but then I did it again with Thurl.

That's a fact we haven't said since 2020 at least. Maybe 2019 even. So I can't blame him. Thurl's other big career notes, Tony the Tiger. Of course, yes. And sings the Your Amiing One, Mr. Grinch, again, doesn't narrate. Narrator.

Old Scott, I'm sorry, New Scott is not going to allow you to say we've discussed all of this many times. Not on my watch. All right, I apologize. But, no, this is a mean thing. Shut your mouth, Michael. Sorry. Sorry, that was mean of New Scott.

This is a mean thing. I used to think Thoreau was the singer and the narrator but the narrator of uh the grinch is bella lugosi right boris karloff isn't boris karloff inspiration for bobby boris pickett who we discussed yeah yeah monster mash episode yes we've been threatening thorough episode in general for years and we should we should do it you know it doesn't feel like i don't think this one's a threat. There's episodes that are certain, you know, a Jay Leno acting career might be a threat. Jay Leno's wrestling career, which we still haven't made it to, that one's a threat, sure.

But Thrill Ravenscroft, I think, will be a joy because this is a wonderful man, a man of faith, I think a big presence in, like know like orange county churches i think that's where he said he started singing in churches uh and then and then got all career out of it because the voice was so unusual um and this quality that like nobody had i don't know who you know you hear that like all right this actor this current actor has taken over all the paul frees parts or whatever i don't know who's doing any of these thrills. I mean, clearly there's people doing Tony the Tiger today, but I just don't think they make them like that. I don't think voices can get as deep as that anymore.

It does feel like that, doesn't it? You're that guy from Boyz II Men. Maybe, yeah. If they ever have to re-record any of this, they gotta get that guy. There is something, yes, that feels very unique to the generation of voice actors. A true opera singer also.

That's in my notes. Yeah, that'll help. But yes, they're all- In their appearance too. Now, I don't think this is true. If you found out that all five of these guys were Walt's best drinking buddies, and that when they filmed this, all of them were 35 years old. I would believe it.

Yes. The apocryphal story I heard about is that they cast all these guys for singing and then they were emoting so much when they were singing, they're like, let's just film them too. And that's how it ended up of course they could only emote with like their mouths and eyes because they were in such intense like okay don't move they put them in like a brace right so they captured them correctly so it would match the

you know projection correctly it's really it's really creepy in general i think that adds to the creepiness that they had to just keep the head still and the phantom five i don't know if we officially said the name of discussion last year of whether this is the phantom five or the other band is the phantom five no it's again where are you see i saw with the other i don't know it's where i get mad where old scott would get mad about the hazy half thought out mythology in which everyone is named phineas or something but new scott recognizes this is great it's figured out wonderfully and it was part of the design that nobody knows which one is the phantom five yeah but the i think the effect is fantastic i think it's like i i think it's great that it's not perfect.

Because now we know, obviously, they can projection map in this precision way, and they do so much of this in the parks now. But I like that it doesn't feel like these busts are perfect to the centimeter, exactly the faces and noses and cheeks of these guys. And I think it adds to sort of an eerie feeling whenever you see them. That was going to be my question do you you want to keep the effect as is or would you would you sign off on an upgrade for these because it looks yeah it looks weird and i don't it's not at all like the weird bride at this point with the projection face it doesn't stick out like that where it's like tired but it

does i feel like oh yeah you could really nail this now probably don't nail it footage i think it's yeah i and and also you'd never want to take away but the the real problem would be and this i don't think they would do this but you don't want them to ever make it modern people there's something about this even with digital projection which at some point it was updated you can just feel that these were just odd interesting craggy face guys yeah filmed in the 1960s on 60s film and i'm glad that retained in the digital uh plus up um i wouldn't other than just maintaining visibility and brightness i don't want anything to happen to these bus right here maybe i'll save this for. Maybe I'll save this for the end.

I'll save it for the end, actually. But I was, yeah, looking at these and going, yeah, I wonder would it take it away? Because it's interesting when we talk about upgrading any of these old rides because they've upgraded them in little ways over the years.

sometimes you're thinking, well well when you see hatbox ghost you go oh wow they could really plus this thing up in a crazy new way but if it was all hatbox ghost level stuff would some of the magic be gone would it would it feel weird um and i was like i kind of was like oh maybe these busts could be upgraded and that would be cool and you could do like some effects with it but I don't know will it what do you want him to do I guess they could like disappear and go different places I don't know like you

could hmm I don't know like you could do half box goes type effects with them I don't know but I don't want any of them to not be visible to me in that part I want to see all five of these weird faces you could have them switch faces be visible to me in that part. I want to see all five of these weird faces. You could have them switch faces. You could have, like, that might be interesting.

I don't know. But would some of the modern stuff, would it not age well, and would it get rid of some of the magic? I mean, I think the different eras of technology throughout the mansion, in addition to the 100 or 200 year old magician techniques yeah i think it all kind of adds to the weirdness it does but some things age worse than others the bride effect aged worse i'm i'm confident that hatbox ghosts will look great in 20 years i could be wrong but i think that will look good yeah as long as it's not married to

the technology of the era too much right some of that the stuff that came out of pirates was i'd say right okay well the other thought i'm having i'm gonna save till the end okay okay got it all right i want i want to put you guys on your heels now or your toes keep on your toes he's gonna throw in whatever you say it might be so controversial it It is going to be a little controversial. I just keep rocking back and forth between my heels and toes, and I'm tired. Well, I'm sorry.

You're getting your steps in while you're sitting here. I am getting my steps in. Who's going to get you? Scott or me? I'm working. I got lots of stretches I'm doing these days. Now, we just named the people who, the first set of actors who played the part of the singing busts. But we have to acknowledge who else has played these five roles.

Oh, sure. And I'm talking about when the singing busts do a cameo in the fairly recent film Muppet Haunted Mansion. There is an appearance from the singing bus and they pulled out all the stops for these iconic parts they got the five biggest stars in hollywood who all fit together as naturally as the rat pack they are all thick as thieves they make so much sense together and i'll kind of do this with a leisurely pace so that the listener can shout them out with me in your car or on a walk or wherever you are. Henry Gibson. No, the, all right, the five who are the Muppet Haunted Mansion singing buzzers.

I know it's obvious, but here we go. Sky Jackson from the Disney Channel show, Jesse. Right. Canadian video game journalist Jeff Keighley Pat Sajak Justina Machado from one day at a time and

Craig Robinson okay we you know it just had to be said that's just fan service I mean I know we all yeah we all know that we recognized him as soon as we saw him and they make so believe they could be in the same room with each other anymore. Well, it finally proves they aren't all the same person. It's a Michael Janet Jackson thing.

Can there really be two stars as big and electric as that? Why, no. Pat Sajak is different than Jeff Keighley. The natural, this is the, it's the most natural set of first people offered. Clearly if you've, I've never seen more of a group of first, first offers in my life.

And I'm so glad we have this say Jack now that he stepped down. Right. Right. So all we, the only, you know, we used to have him every day and now we only have him on Halloween. I think he's acting in a play, but that's not permanent.

Pat Sajak is acting in a play? I could be crazy, but I feel like I saw him, Pat Sajak Theater or Play, so Google that. So he's no longer Pat Sajak, he's Play Sajak. New Scott, changed Scott. That brought a tear to his eye that was so wonderful and so perfect oh that tear looks like a drop of blood thank you first i'm still grappling with it there are ghosts inside me they are scrunching my organs and making me bleed in surprising ways it appears that he is in something wait what the hell he's at the play is a play of

colombo this is a in hawaii pat say jack just retired boy well it wasn't said in the title no no no no they i believe he is the uh i think he's the killer the play is this is so what a you know layers unveiling themselves like a Columbo mystery. This is happening in Hawaii. It is called Prescription Murder with Pat Sajak and Joe Moore, the original Columbo mystery thriller by the William Lincoln, Richard Levinson, the creators of the show. This is a live on stage Columbo in Hawaii.

And whoever Joe Moore is, his long, Pat Sajak's longtime buddy is Columbo. So you can, it says buy ticket, just one? I'm going to want to bring my whole family to this. Don't tell me I can only buy one. Oh, well, you know what? This is going to be applicable even way after this comes out. Buy these now.

This is happening in summer 2025. You can right now buy a ticket to go to hawaii well that's a separate ticket yeah you can go to hawaii and see pat sajak play the colombo murderer at 2 p.m on a saturday in august wow uh prescription murder is the pilot it was the first colombo so i think it's an adaptation of that do we know who is that which which actor is that the I spy actor who I can't remember do we know the murder was in that Jean Berry Catherine justice it's the one where Columbo

looks very young because Peter I just read this yesterday he was young was 39 filming the pilot and the very when he filmed the final one of that first run of colombo he was not yet 50 wow wow so we next year jason and way i don't know two of us bleep that two of us will be older than colombo when he started wow that's wild um on the topic of the merger of longtime television personalities

in theater uh there's something that i i want to head towards but in order to do that i think we have to talk a little bit about the song itself grinning ghosts because if we're talking singing bus uh you know this is finally it's not until this part of the attraction corrects that we hear the lyrics of the song grim grinning ghost we've heard obviously instrumental themes the whole time for many years as we've been talking and now yeah slower version yes sturdy versions and we even and last year we talked about our kind of like hop and graveyard jamboree but now we are to the lyrics first First of all, general feelings about the song and the song with, I mean,

it feels like we must have sort of talked about it before, but are we, and there's probably some broader conversation of best theme park original songs ever, but do we put this in the top five? Do we put it in the top two? How do we feel about Grim Grinning Ghosts? Yeah, I think top five for sure. It's hard because stuff like Tiki Room,

I really enjoy a lot of that music, but is that penetrated the culture like Grim Grinning Ghosts says? I don't think so. So it's like I have to kind of also give it credit for probably being pretty like well known amongst amongst regular folk people that don't go to the parks all the time sure once in a while maybe yes but yeah uh yeah um do we do lyrics jump out in anyone is

there a part that you like is Is there a turn of phrase? Because I always liked it. You know, we certainly talked several times about the creepy performance by the very wet Maleficent from the Disney sing-along tape, which was, at the time, the best way to experience the song outside of being on the ride itself right and with the lyrics on screen and the you know i forget if it was a bouncing pumpkin that uh let you follow along with the lyrics i liked it as a like uh you know little snooty like to learn kid because i'm like these are words i do not know oh yeah these are big old words and i want to know what they mean and they have to get real clever with the

etherealize and that's all of a vocabulary word that i had to learn just because i like theme parks and i'm nine years old yeah it's uh it does make you it's like watching star trek when i was younger when i would just like they would say instead of like to make a to make a human they It's like watching Star Trek when I was younger. They would say instead of to make a human, they would say procreate. And I was like, ooh. And I remember I used the word procreate in my sixth grade and recess once. And I was like, oh, look who's Mr. Smarty Pants. He learned his word from Star Trek.

And that's what you still call it today. Procreation. Yeah. Because that's the only reason you would participate in the act, which makes you very uncomfortable. I participated in procreation. That relieves the entire thing. You start calling it sex and there's a tawdry association. No.

When you're doing it to have a daughter and then close up shop. Clinical, yes. Clinical and it takes all the grossness out of it. It's just it feels so functional. Yeah. And that's what it should be. Sexual stuff should be functional. You got it done.

Hopefully there weren't so many tries that you had to participate in gross sex more than you wanted to. I've done it once to make a kid. And then the other urges, I just do a little prayer and those go away. That's what I do. Pray them away.

Do a little prayer prayer sing like a fun funky song like god bless america or my country a funky song funky song yeah or my country tis of thee i'll give it up for america those are funky i suppose yeah anything that's not the stars bangled banner is a little a little too well it lets people kind of improvise and have a little too much fun. Yeah. Those songs keep you on track. The song I like a lot because of the call and response. There's different voices in the song.

So you'll get like, do-do-do-do, da-da-ma-na-ma-na-na. It's up and down. Yeah. And that always feels like a fun. High highs, low lows. Yeah.

The creepers creak in the tombstones yeah it's one of the most iconic thorough voiceovers yes and it feels i think that element also adds to the uh party feeling because you even if you're not thinking about it consciously there are so many like voices popping in and out that it feels like oh wow there's like there's so many variations so i think that's helping give you the party feel is the way they recorded that. Very different personalities of ghosts you feel just within the ones who were singing.

It's almost like queen backup vocals or something. That's true. And with kind of like weird effects on them and echoes and what have you. Wow. Yeah. It is kind of a, maybe there's no Bohemian Rhapsody without

Don't stop me now. Like stuff for somebody to love or like. That's true. It is similar in the like, oh, there's like kind of interesting background singers or little parts that are different from the main vocal. I kind of, you know, I will never, now I will like think of Queen the next time I go on this. You're not incorrect. Yeah, yeah. So think of Queen when you're on go on this you're not you're not incorrect yeah yeah so think of queen when you're on this it's kind of the original queen yeah and if Disney hadn't fully sold a queen catalog there would be a chance they would put queen on the ride just because it's an

IP they own but it's not gonna happen it's kind of a good idea to do like a live like just to experiment to do like a a live wizard of oz pink floyd kind of situation the bohemian rhapsody takeover of oh let's see if you sync up to him in rhapsody right maybe you'd have to do some other you have to put in like some of the you have to put in like the intro or the flash gordon to cover some of the early part you could score each room with different queen but but i imagine it's Bohemian Rhapsody. A full, I mean, this is a good, like a full rock and roller coaster

that is part dark ride that goes along with a famous song like Bohemian Rhapsody would be actually pretty cool. I mean, we obviously got it with Nights in White Sad. Yeah, that's the pinnacle right now. We can sing every word of. Don't even, Oh, yeah. Even I won't make you guys do an impromptu

Nights in White Sadden. But it's almost... Did they do... Did Dardoch Park have a Bohemian... Oh, it was a Bohemian Rhapsody firework show is what it was. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, some song that Disney owns that's like a top 10 rock radio hit that everybody knows potentially could be cool i don't know if that'll happen but it is an interesting idea well you know they're clamor they're gonna start you know if epic universe is a big success disney's gonna strike back and get an exclusive deal with the weekend they're gonna steal the weekend from his universal association right Right, right. And what? What's up for grabs? Hey, you know what?

Song-wise or other artists? Or ride-wise, you know? You turn living with the land into blinding lights, the ride. Okay, yeah. Star Boy. What could that be? I don't know, anything. Space Mountain, yeah. Space Mountain, yeah, Star Boy.

That would be good, actually. And then take all of those theaters where they don't do much of anything anymore, the movie theaters, and just play episodes of The Idol. That would be a crowd pleaser. Yeah, yeah. A couple of edits here and there, I suppose. Just check IDs at the door. For time, right? For time, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to get audiences in and out. In terms of Grim Grinning Ghosts lyrics, I always loved Spooks Come Out for a Swinging Wake. Yeah. Because I knew what swinging, like when I was a kid, I think I learned what a wake was. And then later on, I heard that lyric in Haunted Mansion.

And I'm like, oh oh because they're all dead because they're yeah they're deceased and they're having a party i thought you were heading towards that you let you like the use of swinging because it's not an area you've always been interested in oh well just academically again it's a studious. It's more about the way people intermingle. Sociologically, you know. Thought experiment. It's interesting how people do that, isn't it? It's a thought, you know. Thought exercise. Creepy creeps with eerie eyes.

Yeah. Because there's two that are alliteration twice. That's good. These are wonderfully dense lyrics, but don't feel overdone. I think that like, you know, dense lyrics, but don't feel overdone. I think that maybe the funniest thing about the lyrics to me is that now that, you know, in talking about the narrative of the ride six years ago, we probably last discussed the notion of segueing from dark and spooky to fun and funny.

And this, the lyrics are clearly where they are getting you can feel a note given at some point of like you gotta represent both because here's where we get these kind of bet hedging lyrics about uh uh that the you know it's silly spooks and it's they pretend to terrorize right right right yes there was there a first pass which was which went more all in on the on the terrorizing yeah because the pirates they murder you and terrorize pirates are doing the bad things on the pirates but this one it feels like they're they're making sure you know these ghosts are not going to hurt you but there's no agreement with you and the pirates yeah they may hurt you.

Mm-hmm. So that is a difference between the two. Obviously, the ghosts, like, this could be anyone from any walk of life. Pirates have, you know, dedicated themselves to a certain lifestyle. Mm-hmm. So I do think that, I guess, that there is a difference in just the clientele of the ride. Yeah. But.

One of them might really hurt you by busting out a guitar and doing some covers with Jeff Beck. That's the biggest threat of how one of them could hurt you. He's played with so many people. I just got recommended him and Gene Simmons out of makeup doing rock and roll all night or something. Gene is trying to get him to sing with him and he keeps not paying attention. I don't know where they are. I don't know how old this video is. America's ancient rock stars are trying the best they can to rehabilitate Johnny Depp.

I know. They are. All of them. Yes. All of them. Every single one. I've seen him with every old guy over a certain 65 or something. They're all hanging out, and they're doing their best.

They're doing their best to get him back um but yeah uh this is a fun party i almost wish that the the ride vehicle would kind of like bump up and down like i wanted to like have like i guess like a low rider like a car okay because it's such a little jaunty little song and i I'm like, I want to kind of, I bop naturally, I feel like, to it. Okay. I don't know if you guys bop naturally when you're hearing Grim Grinning Ghost. Can you, the listener can't see this, but can you, what is bopping to you? I like a little like this, like I'm bopping up and down. Okay.

A little bit like, it makes you want, so I wonder if there, like a newer version, you could like kind of the vehicle, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you'd feel like that bass, because that bass, like that stand up, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like that really just makes you want to bop yeah makes me want to bop so you have to you don't want to provide your own bopping you want some of the vehicle to be doing the bopping for you right and as you know i like to i like a ride vehicle to fuck me up a little bit and this is just still too smooth maybe and i want to you want it to go way slower but also fuck you up yeah well then this i i don't really want it to jostle me like Transformers or anything.

I just, you know, if it could dance, if the ride vehicle could dance a little bit, because it's really, you want to have a swinging wake when you hear this song. And Pirates is a very much, oh, it's a fun song to sing, but it does not make you want to move like Grim Grinning Ghosts. Grim Grinning Ghosts makes you want to move. It's jaunty. It fits with the more whimsical Mark Davis kind of second half of the ride. Yeah.

Yes. So I guess that's a plus up. I want the ride vehicle to dance a little bit. Okay. So notes. Beginning of the ride moves so slowly you aren't even sure that you're moving. Yeah. By the end end up and down. Up and down like a low rider, yeah.

It's to get you close to your head hitting the top of the thing. They've done things where you could eat dinner in one of the rooms. You pay a grand or something. I really want the ride vehicle to stop here and you can get out and dance. You are jealous of those teenagers causing a ruckus.

Well, I'm jealous of the, well, no, I'm not jealous of their desecration of the room, but if I was a teenager in the 90s, I would have gotten out and just danced. They would have had to pull me away because I was skanking or something, like a ska concert. You would have been going to town like that extra Mighty Mighty Boston's guy. I've been like the Boston's guy. In this bumping ride, do you foresee them installing a totally new

ride system or are they retrofitting the existing one? That's a good question. I think you, could you install a seat that bumps up and down a little, just a seat? Although will your head hit then because it's too elevated? Probably.

I think I'll get Bob Gurr on the line, and I think Bob could figure it out. Bob figured everything else out when Walt would tell him, well, here's what we need. Here's what you've got to do. And he would just figure it out because he's an engineer and he knows what he's doing. So I'll say, Bob, make these seats dance. Well, what I would do if I were you would say, because I don't know if he's going to listen to you, my Carlson guy he's never heard of, but if you say, Bob, it's Walt from Beyond the Grave.

I forgot one thing. I had one last wish. That is for the seats to bop. Okay. Get on it. Oh, yep, yep, got it. Skip. Well, I'll do that.

I'm like, what are you doing here, Bob? Oh, Ghost Walt called me. I'll put a bust. I'll put like a bust outside his house, and I'll project my face onto it. That's good. And then I'll tell him to make it Bob. But again, as in the spirit of the song, you're only pretending to terrorize. Yeah, of course.

Your hope is not to scare the hell out of elderly man Bob Gurr. Yes, of course. You're just trying to provoke some more great work from this great of course um and this is another room and i know i was i often i've said this on the horn of the horn mentioned on the small world episode that i didn't like that you could sort of see that you're in a big room and you guys i think you guys convinced me on that now that i've been on a small world a lot recently uh i do like that it's kind of like boxy and you don't need the illusion that you're in some other place

because Small World is all, it's little dolls. That's kind of almost like you're in a big toy box or something or you're in a big doll house on Small World. But Haunted Mansion, I really like that. It feels pretty outside. You do feel like you're outside in this scene. Yeah, no visible ceiling, yeah. Which you don't on the Jack Skellington version.

It's lit up very, what was the word? It's brighter. It's brighter. That's what I meant to say. Did you mean to say it's so weird? No. I just couldn't think of a good word and then Jason said it so then I did like a big moose voice. It's brighter.

It's brighter. It's brighter. That's what I meant to say. As a kid I would always look for it I remember. This has to be a room but sometimes you couldn't see it. Here's something I didn't know.

Grim Grinning Ghost comes from a Shakespeare poem, Venus and Adonis? It does indeed. And this brings me to a point that kind of influenced by where this series is gone, where Huntcast the Fright this year has gone. I would say that Shakespeare has not come up on the show terribly much over the years, but it has in this series because, and this was a second gate thing, so let me fill in anybody who is not subscribed to that, and you should be, patreon.com slash podcast the ride. Nice. Yep, fit it in there. one of these other episodes uh there was discussion of shakespeare because uh mike here was giving

some consideration to taking private shakespeare classes um and why because he's suddenly interested in the not private but a small a small limited time shakespeare class was this to broaden his horizons as an actor well possibly you'd have to ask Mike. But one of the things influencing this notion was the teacher. And would you like to tell us who the teacher of the class you happen to be considering taking? I thought about it last night. I really forgot to even look into it. I think it is too late for you now. Probably too late.

This round. But Armin Shimmerman, who played Quark on Deep Space Nine Star Trek Deep Space Nine In Glendale said he was teaching A Shakespeare class at a theater up there I went looking into this It definitely stuck with me And I found his Twitter In which he just posts the phone number to call

To sign up for the class I love that This is at the Antaeus Theater Company In Glendale And Mike as an aspiring Shakespeare fan Had you heard of Antaeus Theater Company in Glendale. Yeah. Which, and Mike, as an aspiring Shakespeare fan, had you heard of Antaeus before? Mm-hmm. Of course.

Oh, yeah. Antaeus is definitely, you know. Well, you moved here and you were like, huh, UCB or Antaeus? Antaeus or UCB? Yeah, yeah. This class, and it is now too late for you to have done it, but this would have been $425 for six weeks.

Sure. A small price to pay to spend time around the actor who played Quark. That's a pretty fair price. That's like UCB. That's cheaper than UCB. It is, and for sort of a higher art. But I thought it'd be valuable to read to you what you would have been signing up for.

Thank you. Because I don't know if you read the synopsis of what would have been asked of you if you were to spend six weeks learning shakespeare to be around court i don't have the time right now but yeah so armin shimmerman the esteemed shakespearean scholar and teacher offers a six-week class at the entace theater he's looking for new people so far you qualify you're new new. Interested in learning more about Elizabethan rhetoric. You with it so far? I hear you. I'm understanding the language you're saying.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think you could stand to know more about Elizabethan rhetoric, as far as I can tell. Which he considers the Rosetta Stone to not only understand the playwright's language, but also acquiring techniques for communicating arcane language to a modern audience. This is exactly what Jason said would be required, that it's not just learning the text, but it's how to update the language, which is a little obtuse, and modernize it. And I thought it's very good teachers in high school uh and but i feel like there was not enough context when we covered shakespeare it was just kind of like learn this but don't like it could feel very

stiff if you're here's the plot here's the kind of stiff language sure it made more sense when i watched like there's an orson welles hamlet. There's also, which I really do love this movie, the Ethan Hawke modern Hamlet. Okay. With Julia Stiles and Bill Murray and, like, a bunch of other actors. Right, right. Well, this is why you sign up for the Shimmerman course at Antaeus,

is to learn about Elizabethan rhetoric, which is the Rosetta Stone to unlock all of it. And that's what it's about. Not about getting to look at cork for several hours for six weeks. And also you're going to get his insights into Elizabethan culture, medieval history, religion. It sounds interesting. Many of the things you've always been interested in on this show.

I'd love to get into all of it. It sounds interesting. Maybe it wasn't something that previously I've ever been interested in on this show. I'd love to get into all of it. It sounds interesting. Maybe it wasn't something that previously I've ever expressed interest in, but... Given the right, you know, it makes sense. You're into a music artist and he delves into this genre. Suddenly you want to go down the path of this genre and find out more.

And it's, yeah, hey, look, I'm a fan of his work as Quark. Maybe I do want to learn about medieval history. Right, maybe I want to know that. Maybe in a different life or a different decade of our lives, Jason and I would have taken this together. Wow. Would you think you would have agreed to this? If I paid for it, I paid for it.

Huh? If I paid for it. I mean, that certainly would have been the icing on the cake. Look, I need a wingman. Are you like to go on dates? No, no, no.

To get me in with Armin Shimmerman. I think he's going to be able to tell. I haven't even seen the Ethan Hawking. The real problem. I need somebody who knows 1% about Shakespeare to join me. The real problem is I would have had to work so hard at this. It would have taken so much extra time out of it. And I don't want to disappoint him

so ultimately i can't unless i have the time to devote to practicing shakespeare which you could you know you just like well i don't know you're more engaged i'm still picturing you with a little baby that's not what you have you're engaged with your daughter it's hard you can't exactly be like all right i'm feeding her in one hand and then then in the other, I am learning about what religions were thriving in the Elizabethan era. Yes, exactly. It's not quite that, but there's still a limited amount of time. And going, first of all, it seems hilarious, me underprepared or trying to cram in the car on the way into Armin Shimmerman's Shakespeare class. You're eating Taco Bell in one hand.

You're up on the dash. You have a really tiny type. Your entire dashboard is taken up with the full soliloquy you have to go do in six minutes. I'm eating, shoving a crunch wrap in my mouth and I'm trying to memorize words I don't know. Words that are unfamiliar.

And then I'm just like, I start crying. I'm like, I'm going start crying i'm like i'm gonna disappoint clark park's gonna be so upset with me you see that i don't know the show is he is would quark be if he was upset is he a character was upset a lot no i he not really i mean he was the bartender essentially he's a frangie and he's always kind of like up to something and like he's you know i think he's ultimately a good guy but he you know he's up to some mischief and he's up to like deals and he's bartering and stuff so he's not like he wouldn't be upset and like he wouldn't be upset in the way i'm worried arman would be because just looking

at arman's twitter and the posting i feel like arman would be somebody who would call me over and be like michael i am so disappointed in you What you've done here today is a disgrace to the theater and to William Shakespeare. And I don't say that lightly. I've been teaching for over four or five decades. And I just think that, quite frankly, you should quit acting in general. Like, I feel like he's very- Shakespearean or not? The tweets-

I don't- I've never banned anyone from the Antaeus before. Right. There are no faces. Do not admit this man. Yeah. You will be the first. We will make room at the box office door, and your face will be the first plastered shamefully on that wall.

I despise you. There's room to fail and to soar in this class. What? No.ar in this class. No. What? No. No, acting class. I just think we got a lot of work to do before he soars. I have a lot of...

When you brought this up, I think the timeline, if you had signed up for it, I think it had been like, you know, maybe it's two weeks before the first class. And then you've only got a week in between in which you're very busy. You've got a lot going on.

And I think, think yeah I just don't think the time to soar and to learn this complex language is going to be there but I'm sure he would have been given a monologue or a poem or something to practice I don't think you had to come in prepared well on each class you do

I'm sure by the time you do I imagine yeah the first he would Mike would get away for a little bit just doing kind of the free like what brought you here you would have to lie your way through that but that's acting that'd be if you could get through the opening where you kind of imply that you're interested in Elizabethan culture and you never say the word cork or Ferengi if you could survive that test maybe you could soar in the rest and then he would like mention an episode or something

Where he had to do some of this or some other character To do some of this and I go Excuse me were you on Star Trek Deep Space Nine Oh under the makeup You were one of the what do they call those guys So you were Swinging way too far

In the other dream you were like You were swinging between extremes This is the other dream. You're like, you're swinging between extremes. This is the kind, maybe this is the kind of note that Armin would give, is that you can't run, every performance, including lying to an actor you want to be around, instead of just going to meet them at a Q&A, the character has to be based in reality. You know, this is the sort of comical deception

present in Shakespeare's comedies. All right. Well, you would have thrived in this class. I think I would have loved this class. You got to say, well, maybe, well, you could still do it. And then you just got to like, you know, I don't know, be there as some sort of like Jason helper. You have to act like, oh, yes, he's my young ward.

I never go anywhere without my manservant, Michael. And he was mentioning he's aware of some of your television work. Did you fit into any television work in your time? Wait, so he, am I his ward or his manservant? No, I'm your ward. No, you have to do Shakespeare. Okay. And as part of the

plan, you have to pay for it just to keep up. Because the name on the credit card, it has to be Jason. It's got to match. The three digit code. If you want to pay for it just to keep up because the name on the credit card asked it has to be jason it's got a match the three digit code if you want to pay him back later fine but i think probably jason just should pay the 425 dollars but then yeah you have to learn all the shakespeare and mike gets to hang out deal with your bags and personal effects and then but in then you get to watch all of the classes and stare at armin schimmerman for six weeks i look i think if jonathan frakes was teaching a class, it would be much more of an easy

vibe, where it'd be like, Mr. Frakes, I didn't do any of the homework. It's all right. Don't worry about it. Does the class want to go out and get a steak and I'll tell old TV stories? That's maybe more what I'm looking for. But the seriousness, the passion,

which clearly are from that bio that Armin has for Shakespeare. But this is where, why I brought all of this up, is that he's gonna do other sessions of this. This will be a possibility for you in the future. And I figured at some point, saying Grim Grinning Ghosts in context,

that was gonna happen anyway. And it occurred to me this morning why not have mike read it and give you the opportunity to prove your potential prowess as a shakespearean actor which could then flesh out the entire illusion of you just wanting to be around quark for a while oh my god oh i truly thought this was going to end with me having to read this poem you know what's funny i was my again this was in my notes from last year and i was like probably i'll hand it to jason and that'll be something and then i was like wait a minute no jason is not the aspiring shakespearean actor it's michael and

much like the class i've been sitting here reading it over and over in preparation yeah because that's how you're like this is what sc's leading to. This is what that weird tone's all about. No, no, no. This is how I prepare, practically. I end shows and so I beat stuff into the ground until it's meaningless to me. But I can do it by instinct. It's also hard to know even what a voice do I affect

for Grim Grinning Ghosts and a Shakespearean. Yeah, I don't know. And you have a what do what a voice do i affect for grim grinning ghosts and shakespeare yeah i don't know and you have a question when you arrive at it which is kind of in the middle of the stanza from venus and adonis that do you kind of like blow past it do you not act like it's the name of a song that you like from a ride that you like or do you really hit it i don't it's really up to you but i think this you know, if you ever had to point, if Armin got you in a corner and said, you don't care about Shakespeare, do you? And you'd say, sir, I have nothing but respect for you, but

you're incorrect. I, in fact, have performed Shakespeare in an audio medium. I will produce this tape for you if you wish. Flavor, style. I also like, one of my favorite things is so many people on Star Trek are very accomplished actors and like they do know all this stuff

and they can recite their favorite passage or maybe a whole play or whatever and then you cut and they're like hey you want some Romulan ale? I'll get you Patrick Stewart very accomplished Mr. J. Todd or the romulans what do they want and you're like i worked so hard but pronouncing romulan and ferengi correctly is kind of like

saying some of the shakespeare uh terminology correctly uh so i i leave it to you now to regale us this is yes this is part of it's one of his early poems venus and adonis that happens to have a phrase that we know and have talked about in this episode. Here now, Shakespeare aspiring Elizabethan actor. Could I do it like Quark? Yeah, I think it's up to you. Hard-favored tyrant. It's totally your call.

No, hard-favored tyrant. Ugly, eager, lean. Hateful divorce of love. Thus chides she death, grim grinning ghost. Earth's worm, what dost thou mean? To stifle beauty and to stealth his breath? Who when he lived his breath and beauty set gloss on the rose smell to the violet that's a cold read folks and then what do you if you i mean jason feel free to do this but you

could we does anybody feel like they could do what Armand or actually what Quark would say in response to that? Can you do a Quark? I cannot do a Quark. Also, is that the second half of the poem? I don't know. Some of it. It's part of it.

You might say I did a little control F to find the word grim. Oh, sure. Got it from there. What do you think he would think? Who cares? A bunch of nonsense, that is. I can't do a good chord. I really should have a better chord compression.

I think it's pretty good. That's all right. Give yourself some credit. No, I don't want to give myself credit. I don't deserve it. Well, I don't know. Did you think it was moving? I thought it had a lot of range.

Like the song, there was some low and some high. It had dynamic spikes. I thought it was pretty good. Maybe you could sell your way into doing this class. Yeah, I would love... If he does it again, we'll see. If he does it again... I mean, look, it's good to test yourself sometimes. And yeah, maybe... Is it helpful to test yourself when you're around somebody who was on one of the Star Treks from the 1990s? Yes. That's extra good. It puts the heat on you. You really want to perform. Now what'll happen is that some podcast,

the Ride Superfan, is going to keep an eye on the classes at the Antaeus Theater. Yeah. They're going to pretend they're interested in Shakespeare just to be around you. So then we got a class, we got a little chain where there's Armin up on stage,

and then you're staring like a like a wide-eyed puppy at him and then right next to you is some guy who doesn't want to admit i'm assuming guy who doesn't want to admit yeah let's be honest yeah yeah yeah doesn't want to admit that he knows you from podcast the ride yes i've always loved shakespeare yeah love that guy. Oh, do you love podcasts? Shakespeare Bob. Oh, is he on Star Trek? Wow. I'm so blinded by my love of Shakespeare. This hypothetical person has taken every, there's so many Star Trek classes at this point.

LeVar Burton's teaching a class in there. Marina Sirtis is teaching a class. Scott Bakula has one from Star Trek Enterprise Oh I love Bakula Avery Brooks has materialized he's teaching a class Are these all in LA?

This is a joke I truly thought you were tracking all of the acting classes from Star Trek I wish there was just a Star Trek theater teaching acting classes from Star Trek. I wish there was just a Star Trek theater teaching acting classes all from the cast. I think you can find it.

Well, I mean, I follow these people on Twitter, but I don't know that any of them are teaching acting classes other than Armin right now. To sleep, to sleep, perchance to dream. Look, I will take an acting class from anyone who was on Star Trek. I mean, there's still a couple original. George Takei acting class forget about it Shatner Walter Koenig

come on the three this is the chance that you have it's that you know unless some of these other people start classes and I just thought

you know you gotta follow your dream now while this one is present well your dream is just miles mere miles away

at the Antaeus and I hope I got you closer to being there. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. Look, the media landscape, popular culture is always shifting, but the theater is eternal. Much like the Haunted Mansion. This guy, yeah, this guy needs to take Shakespeare classes, I think. Yeah, I think you excel the most.

He's the one who randomly in some episodes said, we tread these boards. He said it multiple times. As a defense when you said something we didn't understand. We tread these boards. I said something equally archaic. When somebody, he throws Shakespeare at you. That doesn't sound like me at all. He throws Shakespeare at you when he's cornered.

He's the weirdest dick when he gets nervous. He gets Shakespearean. Throws Shakespeare at you. Well, that's cornered. He's the weirdest dick when he gets nervous. He gets Shakespearean. I always Shakespeare at you. Well, that's all something. Do you want to close out? You had this controversial idea. Well, I don't know if we should do it next year or the year after.

We did an episode recently about fixing Tomorrowland. And I said, we got to do more of this. And I think we should do the same exercise where we each take different assignments and we talk about the Haunted Mansion. Some of, and I don't know if we figure it out later, but like walk through the Haunted Mansion and what do you change?

What do you keep the same? What do you fix? What don't you fix? What do you make worse? Now, I think old me would have been on edge about this because what you've just described is an excuse to go all the way backwards and do everything again,

even though I'm not sure we are out of the graveyard now. We're not. It doesn't seem like we are. But new me, changed Scott is touched by this idea. Oh, great. is uh in touched by this idea oh great i think uh i think that as now that i'm backed into a corner uh yeah let's now i know i didn't have any ideas about how to change the bus which i think are great as they are i welcome this i said let's go all the way back next year when we have now that we're taking our time let's let's go through the let's look at every hedge let's go all the way back. Next year, now that we're taking our time, let's look at every hedge. Let's go through the gift shop.

We could. And why not talk about every single item again and point to it and say change or keep it? Maybe because there will be, I think the queue will be ready next year and the gift shop will be ready next year. Maybe we could do Q, gift shop, and then Hitchhiking Ghosts and the Moving Walkways, finish it out, and then the following year... Changed Me is into this declaration. We go through,

just because it's a tidier way to do it. Then we go through and we each maybe figure out a different assignment budget. We each have a different budget. And we go through the Haunted Mansion and propose our different changes to it. Sure, sure. each maybe figure out a different assignment budget we each have a different budget and we go through the haunted mansion and propose our different changes to it sure sure we'll do another version of this sometime in the next 12 months not haunted mansion related because i enjoy the

exercise but 2026 is fixing haunted mansion so we have now delayed doing, presumably, the Disney World one. Yes, delayed. We've delayed doing Phantom Manor. Yes, we've delayed it. This all gets... Delayed nightmare. We haven't talked about if Phantom Manor is technically a separate thing

that we could do elsewhere in October. We'll talk about that in 2026. We'll do a lot of planning. Right. And how this will work. Great. Well, changed me. Me cannot wait for this excuse to go all the way back through and do it all again. Now, I can't promise that I'm not going to change again.

We'll see. Two years is a lot of time. It is, yeah. I just hope you dab that blood coming out of your eye. Like, the tears are a lot of them them and it's a real steady stream now. You'll have seen if Robert, I'm better, I'm improved. This is, there's increased

blood flow in my head. I want it to be coming out of me. This doesn't indicate any rage that I've been suppressing unhealthily for this entire interminable episode. You'll have seen if Robert Downey Jr. is doing an accent or not by then, by 2026.

So you could be different. You'll be different. Maybe I'll be talking like that accent. Maybe we all will. Oh, $100 million to do like a Boris Badenov voice. I hope that is what it is. I hope. I think he doesn't know.

You'll be talking like Rodney Dangerfield. Wow. Boy, actors take inspiration from the weirdest places. It's Dr. Doom. It's like Rodney. Dr. Doom does not get any respect. field wow he took it boy actors take inspiration from the weirdest places yeah dr doom is like rodney dr doom does not get any respect he kind of doesn't though he doesn't get any respect that's true so yeah well uh yeah that's what fuels the character and we can't wait to meet him and we well a lot a lot happening in 2026 a lot happening in 2025 in which, Mike, without even me pressing at all, with my hands off the wheel approach, you've now committed to finishing the Haunted Mansion next year. That's wild.

Jason Sheridan has not said anything in protest. Therefore, he signs off. And as soon as I say, you survived Hauntcast the Fright, that closes the door at which point we would have been able to get protest from Jason. What I would like to say is that episode could be five hours long. Well, Change Me usually likes to get these done in a tidy amount of time. That could be a double episode. But Change Me has nothing but time. Nothing but time.

I don't have anything else going on. Time enough at last. Is that Shakespeare? Is that Shakespeare? That's Twilight Zone, but Twilight Zone a lot of Shakespeare stuff all right well I guess for now you survived hot cast the fright and when we push I guess confusingly some of the

graveyard not even sure what's left we'll find out next year next year yeah but wow we this is the first single room that will have taken three calendar years to get out of. And you know what? The more we extend it, why not? Because now it's become such a tradition that I really love is that getting to post these, wondering what the world in America will be like a year from now. I hope we do so many more Haunted Mansion episodes that happen to come,

you know, within 10 days of Donald Trump potentially being the president again. Because this guy's, you know, he's going to live till he's 110 and they're going to run him until he's 110, no matter what happens. So until he's 110 no matter what happens so you think we have like our haunted mansion and trump election season going to meet at least three more times it depends on us and it depends on him yeah yeah it could be three it could be uh could be seven that's true we don't know so it's all ahead of us everything's ahead of us dr doom is ahead of us and more trying well it's what I see now and it's why I've taken

this relaxed attitude. I'm so happy. I look forward to the future and to just chilling out and hanging out with you guys. For three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast The Ride

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Yeah. Old Scott returning. Old Scott returning. Oh, no. The ghost has sworn he returns to remind us of Hitchhiker Ghost, who we soon meet as Rabin for Mr. Phineas Bluff. I'm finishing it.

What funny names. All right, all right. In a series of... We have our two buggies. We see a smuggler who tells us to hurry back. It's finished. What funny names. All right, all right. In a series of... We have our two buggies and step out to a moving ramp where we see a smuggler who tells us to hurry back. It's finished.

It's done. Now you're mine. Okay, okay. Jim Lee, Drew X-Men. You're bleeding. I don't put up with names anymore. Frank Quitely, new X-Men. Time to bleed, fellows.

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