Podcast: The Ride - The Haunted Mansion Part 2

Episode Date: October 18, 2019

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FOREVER! DOG! paint, 30 minutes on the butler's outfits, 45 minutes on the location of the haunted mansion toilets. You'll just have to see. It's Haunted Mansion Part 2 on Hauntcast, Fright, the Scream Park podcast hosted by three headless men in their 30s. I'm Rod Skardner, joined by Mike Coffinson and Jason Skeleton. We got some feedback from last week about the names

Somebody correctly pointed out that Lindsay Cat's Eye could have easily been Lindsay Slaytie That is good I have to say that I agree with that In the heat of the moment, you know, you toss stuff out I thought Cat's Eye was a real good solve, I thought But Slaytie, pretty good As part of this, somebody also pointed out that it could that jason could be slason so i just wanted to put that on the table okay if you want it uh

because you should have agency in your own scary name um but that's up that's up to you i'll sleep on it yeah yeah well we got till next year because this is the last one. This is the last one. Well, we're doing more on the second gate. But a little more, I will say, Haunted Mansion related. And I don't want to say more than that. So patreon.com slash podcast the ride and you'll hear a little bit more. There's a real aura of foreboding on that one. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

See if you can figure it out um but anyway yeah we're we're they we're plowing through it because we got live shows to do y'all next we're we're hitting the road and i think as you hear this uh i forget orlando for sure you could still do if you're if you've been thinking about it yes pull the trigger the trigger. Come see us in Orlando on October 24th. If you're listening on the day this has come out, you can still make it to Chicago. Yes, tomorrow. Chicago is tomorrow. If you're listening Friday, whatever the date is, the 18th? That's right.

I believe this is out the Friday the 18th. That's correct. And if you're jumping on it day one and you're in Chicago, then why would you not come say hello you gotta come yes um fun stuff in store we're excited um but we and we are there's so many like you know we're navigating there's hot cast the fright there's the tour we're we've been shipping away at the downtown disney ordeal there's so many mini franchises and little tasks within the podcast that we're worried about but now we are back to our slowest go of franchise within the show we are here at haunted mansion 2 heart at mansion part 2 as we have said because uh in the spirit of halloween

we will discuss the haunted mansion every once a year, every year. Because, I mean, I think it started, a lot of things started as like, oh, wouldn't that be funny? And then we thought on it. And it's like, well, I think it is probably the ride with the most text, text, subtext stuff. Yes. There's so much. Where I'm overwhelmed. Where I'm looking at Doom Buggies, the website, and I don't even, like, there's so much where i'm overwhelmed where i'm looking at doom buggies

the website and i don't even like there's so much about individual rooms who knows where to begin i have the most amount of notes i may have ever taken this is number one in the series bigger than hard rock park uh but it's possible because what happened was i started following uh i i started at like doom buggies and some other haunted mansion websites and every time there was a thread i was like let me see how far i can follow this historical thread before i start to lose my mind wow wow yeah so if you're listening to this just for and you haven't listened to last year's haunted mansion let's recap a little yeah i was just gonna say like maybe actually go back and listen to that one first that might actually be sometimes i joke that you need to listen to like all the city walk i think maybe listen to the

first time i think so because last or the first year was mostly about the genesis and creation of the ride is a very long birth a very long run-up and creation and so by the very many versions of the versions of the ride and different narratives that didn't make it the world's fair delaying it walt's death delaying it this is and we're talking about the disneyland version and that building the exterior of the ride sat there with no ride for six years some years some long time like an actual abandoned haunted house it sat empty so the idea yeah the idea would you be just walking around Disneyland And you'd be like there's a house there

The mysterious house and then all of a sudden I can go in the house finally Yeah people must have assumed That was just a facade Have you guys seen Julio Torres' Stand up special My favorite shapes There's a whole bit oddly we haven't talked

about this in the show he does a little bit about um how you can't go in daisy's house at um in mickey's toontown right and his like fantasy dream of what like he just it being awfully he was so upset that you could not go into daisy's house but this the haunted mansion must have seemed like daisy's house one of those yeah there is no thing in here so when it opens in 69 uh it's it's a huge deal it is a ride as we all know it's a ride and this is the goal that i want to throw out to you guys we've talked about this off air let's talk about it on air i want to get on the ride in this episode oh i don't know jason and i are a little bit more skeptical that we're gonna make it all to the right so last year we got kind of to the door but we realized we forgot a lot of the graveyard we got to the gate we got to the gate excuse me

you're right you're right we got to the front gate so if you're thinking about us we were walking on the gate well on the sign we were walking yeah we were walking to the ride and on the way discussing all the different versions that were going to happen. So history origin. I will say I will guarantee that we'll get to the front door of the mansion and we'll see how far inside we get. We might not get in the door. I don't know. I'm not going to. Again, the most substance

maybe of any attraction. I will say this. I will make a vow. I will not artificially delay. I will not try to tangent any more than a normal episode. I suggested that we talk about the ride that's our topic and then what followed was well i don't know i mean unfortunately a year every year if you thought this was going to be a speedy endeavor no i think you could build a mansion in faster uh time and we're only talking about disneyland version we still have that's

another rule because I agree. I got overwhelmed in terms of differences. Too much. Let's leave that off. To put it, also just a side note, I was like, let me go back and listen to what we were talking about last year just to make sure we don't repeat a lot.

And this is how, this shows you the difference a year makes, that we were making a joke about future President Michael Avenatti That's where we were at In October 2018 Gone, disappeared Avenatti feels like, I was thinking how If you told me that Michael Avenatti

Came and went and played out in like 2011, I'd believe it That's how the pace of the news cycle And the exhaustion of the Trump era Is like, yeah, was he from Was Avenatti from 2002? What is he again? believe it that's how the pace of the news cycle and the exhaustion of the trump era is like yeah was he from was avenatti from 2002 what is he again yeah right exactly can i do one for 2019 oh just yeah put kind of a bookmark in the year yeah president john delaney right folks there we go we will forget about him

yeah we'll see where we're at. A little time capsule. I feel like the Haunted Mansion episode is maybe our least funny episode because I feel like we were just fact, fact, fact. Let's talk more. I felt that too. Well, let's take that pressure off. We don't need to. We don't need to.

We're a comedy podcast. Let's have some funnies. Sure. That's why thinking of Avenatti is important to remember the good times uh now i don't remember him or what he was but uh his name makes me smile he's not the mooch that i know but he's the guy that's like looks stressed outside getting a phone call he kept saying he was gonna sue people he's a lawyer stormy's lawyer stormy feels like forever ago he feels like forever ago yeah i think i'm actually i was misremembering who he was.

He was Stormy Daniels' lawyer, of course. We're going to still be doing this in 2026 and talking about the deep into third term Trump. With our comparing of notes is going to be much better. Now we're talking about like, what's currently happening? Castro is running for president. And in 2026, We'll be like well You know Baltimore's gone Trump yeah you are arrested if you

Sell share streaming service Passwords Trump had His brain implanted in a young Person's head and Like he's like a young handsome Trump Now but he's got the same old brain as Trump and he's president starting to curve Well yeah so it's like air is starting to Rot imagine like a young handsome Trump Now but he's got the same old brain as Trump and he's president starting to curve Well yeah so it's like air is starting to

Rot imagine like a something a 20 something Hunk with Trump's brain So it's obviously still trying to like stand In that odd way gesture still a Big puff out but yeah It's like the wolf boy In Twilight what's his name that handsome Boy it's a wolf boy

You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know. Taylor Lautner. Thank you, Taylor Lautner. He will look like Taylor Lautner. Where did he go? Yeah, I don't know. But he's going to be, we're going to use his body for Trump. Trump has sold three states to Saudi Arabia and they're in the

process of picking which ones they want. They don't have to all be next to each other. They could be spread out. And they're going to actually take the state somehow. They're going to remove it from the United States and move it over. Maybe just be floating near. That's actually cool.

And all the Trump maniacs are like, we love Sharia law now. We love it. Mr. Trump, thank you for Sharia law, Mr. Trump. Tidy. It it's organized you know um well watch every prediction come exactly true yeah um and by that point we will look like well no we can't we have to talk we can't talk about floating leota we haven't confessed still leota yet right it'll i mean that's coming all that's coming so let's get in that game said to start yes so i

would like to start with an example of one of the threads i started to follow okay which uh so the sign yeah the sign outside of the haunted mansion mike you have a replica of this famous sitting on a thing i need to hang it up still uh i we we just. We just, I think at the very end, we're like, we like that sign. I wanted to know more about the sign. And I started at Doom Buggies and then ended at the history of some landmarks and the LA Times archives. So, that sign was sculpted by a Disney employee named Chris Muller Jr. He also did the giant squid in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. And he did the smaller squid in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea,

sculpted a number of the Jungle Cruise animals. And in pop culture history, he sculpted the mask and hands of the creature from the Black Lagoon, the original creature from the Black Lagoon. Whoa, all right. That's pretty cool. So, it goes even further. The designer of the creature from the Black Lagoon

was a, the costume was designed by a woman named Millicent Patrick, who happened to be one of Disney's first female animators. Designed a costume of a creature from the Black Lagoon? Designed a costume of Creature from the Black Lagoon? Designed the costume for the Creature from the Black Lagoon. She was also an actress and an artist. Her father is a man named Camille Charles Rosie. Now, this is where I hit my first oddball speed bump.

I found an incorrect fact on doom buggy's website they said that rosie is the architect behind hearst castle he is not he was a construction manager at hearst castle and helped design some of the interiors because he got friendly with uh william randolph hearst the designer of hearst castle the architect behind it was a woman named julia morgan who was the first female architect in california so give her her credit doom buggies so you're calling out what you found out is that doom buggies has incorrect information yes i did and that is what a lot of this episode is going to be about is correcting the doom buggies website. But now this did circle back around because they said like an anecdote that Raleigh Crump always said Walt Disney cited Hearst Castle, among many other things, as an inspiration for the Haunted Mansion. Hearst Castle on top of a hill by San Simeon, California. Kind of imposing.

Kind of haunting. Kind of. Kind of. Yeah. So that's the threads that come off the sign just the sign just the sign and it connects back to other disney imagineering projects other american history is sinister american history yeah is there a more iconic sign like you can think of the pirates the Yeah. Like, the sign outside is really iconic. But it's not as...

Put it up there. Yeah. It's not quite as good and simple. It's kind of just the words, ultimately. But that... It's good. It's the oval, the crest. And that frame is fantastic.

And it's been the... It does feel, like, scaly, like the creature from the Black Lagoon. And having it in the apartment, I can touch it, which is nice. Yeah. So, you can touch the sign. So, I'm trying to think if there's anything. I don't think so. To me, my sign that I have at home.

But that's because I see it every day. My caution doors open automatically up God's sign. I mean, that's up there. But yeah, Space Mountain has different logos everywhere. I mean, there's slightly different variations. And sometimes they use like gross 90s alien fonts and like that tokyo font for space mountain that looks like the spawn the 90s comic spawn logo oh sure uh so a final future panel for it could be signs yeah you do sort of a best and worst signs competition yeah there's a lot of worst

contenders that is good yeah uh gomer Gentleman's Lair bathroom sign is definitely in the running for one of my favorites. Sure. Okay. Hungry Bear. It's the bathroom. The bottom level? Yeah. Bottom level of Hungry Bear bathroom.

It says Gomer's Gentleman's Lair over the male bathroom. Wow. And I think Trixie is the female? I believe that's right. Yeah. It's like the Trixie's powder room or something. Anyway. Walk up there and figure it out.

What's your sign, ladies? People are yelling right now. They know it. Of course. We know the name of the bathroom. So that's the sign. So that's the sign. You said you had things about the gate as well.

No, sorry. I meant the sign. Oh, the gate is the sign. The gate. You don't have any information about who made the gate? No. Don't be foolish. Foolish mortal mortal don't be a foolish mortal uh the gate is cool i will say i like the gate a lot uh it's it's uh i'm trying to think it's it's like we can't talk about disney

world but it's uh it's good because it does seem like a gate that would keep you out. It seems like a scary house in Disneyland, but not as scary and setback like Disney World. But the gate is like, I could see if I was a kid and I'd be like, you shouldn't go over that gate. Like somebody weird lives there. Like it feels right. It feels right to me. It's not. Yeah. Well, and it like that it is a little sectioned off area from the rest.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what I'm saying. Do you think we're all just kind of like a massive birth, a massive walkway? I think they knew the crowds. It would be a hit. Yeah. So. But that one is set back.

But this one just feels like, like if I lost a ball over the fence, don't go get it. Don't go get it. Yeah. Yeah. But we're in now. We made it in. We made it. We made it in the gate. Yes. But we're in the gate.

Yes. Now we're in. I'm glad we made it through the gate. Mm-hmm. So we're talking cemetery, the grounds, or what do you want to call it? Well, let's hold on. There's the hearse. Let's not get the stuff.

Yes. Yes. That's the- The hearse, I think, is fascinating. That's part of the graveyard. Oh, okay. That counts. The grounds.

We're in the grounds. Sure. Yes. That's what a lot of websites refer to as is outside of the house so did everyone read the insane urban legend about the hearse not the urban legend no okay i don't know maybe i didn't so this is it's sad it's a funny urban legend it has has been debunked that this hearse is the hearse used in former Mormon church leader Brigham Young's funeral procession. What? No, I did not read this.

This is a- This is not real. It's not real. No, this is an urban legend that circulated a bunch to the point that multiple news sites had to debunk it uh so uh church archives show that brigham young was carried through the streets on a sub by pallbearers there was no wagon involved although it is possible this wagon could have been in utah in the 1800s um it's also possible that some information that the Mormons collected about their backstory is incorrect. and art but the article was in the desert news the longest running paper in utah which is owned

by the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints and there is some wild shit in that newspaper like there is we don't have time to get into that we're on newspapers uh uh do you know did you read what it is what it was in the hearse yeah so about the john wayne movie no that's florida oh that's the florida hearse oh i got my hearse just mixed up so the the hearse outside of the disneyland mansion painted white was bought um by uh from an antique uh dealer in california and the urban legend around this is that not berry farm was about to buy it for a ghost town for the ghost town section and the guy the owner called Disney and said like hey he left to get a check if you really want this because Tony Baxter wanted it in the 90s because

it was going to be used in that insane Young Indiana Jones stunt show Right Where it was going to be part of a chase And the train was involved Yes He was going to use the Disneyland train I believe that's the same one right There was going to be a scene with the train over back

By Big Thunder Trail But how could they use the train How could they coordinate it I don't know if that was just a blue sky idea but there was gonna be like the train would stop and there would be a little show i wouldn't whatever once an hour or something so you would have had to coordinate times to have the show wow it's a cool idea but it does seem logistically impossible slows down the train operation yeah um so But weird that that, what a weird backwards, we got a thing, we got a ride that maybe might get built, but we better buy this hearse fast.

We better buy the hearse. That said, turning lemons into lemonade, Tony Baxter cited as the one who came up with the floating hitch gimmick. There's a hitch on top, in front of these uh that looks like it's attached to a horse that is just floating in midair as if a ghost horse is uh hooked up to it now let me say this idea i never noticed that it did not register the hearse itself i never know the floating oh oh i never ever occurred to me i didn't know about it it. I didn't. Yeah. I read it and I'm going, oh, yeah. Yeah.

Now it makes sense. Now it makes sense. But it does not necessarily. That is my one. Not to criticize Tony, obviously. I mean, there's. Well, sure. Hail Tony.

But Tony's done so many things. We probably haven't even noticed half of them. We may have talked a lot of shit about. Yeah. He designed the planet Hollywood at Disney Village Paris. village paris i didn't know yeah uh sign inside tony oh hold on a second i was gonna say tony there's a uh friends of the show season pass uh they did a doug barnes uh did a panel at midsummer scream with a bunch of people including tony and this woman tanya norris who did like design and like picked

out uh the wallpaper of the haunted mansion and she has amazing stories on there about like being on a plane with walt but i was tony was talking about haunted mansion he's very big on updating it and like keeping it he said it on the panel like you know we can do a lot better with the effects now and i think they should go in there and do that yeah so he's very much i think always been like what can we do to like bring this up to today's standard. Which is cool. I like that. I'm pro that. Anyway. I'm pro that too.

If you like all this stuff go to Season Pass and listen to that. Listen to that panel what you were there for and now celebrating it occurs to me now we're late on it but this year is the 50th anniversary of Haunted Mansion and we celebrate the 50th and we look forward to celebrating the 60th as well. I thought you were going to say 100th for some reason.

By which point we will be 15% through the graveyard. We will be, yes. I was going to say like we'll be at the third Doom Buggy. Because we have to obviously do each Doom Buggy. They all have a history, of course. Yes. So we'll have to do that. Well, if Futurama's predictions are correct, when we celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Haunted Mansion, each doom buggy they all have history of course yes so we'll have to do that uh well in if

futurama's predictions are correct when we celebrate the 100th anniversary of the haunted mansion richard nixit will be president once again so just as he was if you're before body transfer and trump and younglings then sure younglings um yeah so the the hearse in florida again we're not really touching florida the hearse in florida was used in the john wayne movie the sons of katie i screwed up i said something about that that's okay um but the hearse has that fun ghost relations sign inside you guys oh yeah yeah ever noticed that that was apparently on the like coming soon signs of like if you're interested in dwelling in our happy haunting ground send your right to the ghost relations department like guest relations it's fun it's just the start of

the wordplay that will haunt this episode no no phone number you can call though there should be a phone number there should be somebody that writes back with like a spooky letter. But well, maybe that's one of the things Tony was talking about enhancing. He wants an address or a phone number for that joke. That would be good. If I have something to say about something that happens behind the columns. Really, you're on the porch, really, of the mansion. Should I save that for, yes, I think when we walk into the queue. That would come later, I suppose.

I think it would come, I would like to, because like, as you cross through the gate and you pass by the hearse, this is your first glimpse of the imposing house itself. And did you guys read about the... Well, you can see it from the outside too, but yes. You can see it from the outside, but it kind of looms over you as you sort of round the

corner here. Did you guys read about like the architecture at all? I don't think we really- We did some of this. We talked a little bit about it last time. If it sounds familiar, I'll say buzz. Okay. This is a Victorian style house.

Kind of a Southern vibe, southern gothic vibe. And very different from the other haunted mansions, which are kind of more like perpendicular lines. More like stone and stuff rising above you. Yeah. And more of the like it's far away effect of Main Street where like. Yes. Forest perspective. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Getting smaller as it goes. Seems larger. Yeah. So, and this, it's a mix of Victorian styles with the Roman columns. They were very popular in the South in like the 1800s and all. And I was reading about like our idea of victorian homes is like haunted houses like they often look this is one of the styles people think of a haunted

house being and that came like in the early 20th century it's like this looks old to us now here in the 21st century everything is just like Victorian just means old to me so like yeah we lose track of the individual types of old yeah the flattening of history everything just becomes like old everything in the past is old timey yeah so but it has to fit in like there's not I don't think of it as like the southern haunted mansion but it has to look appropriate to new orleans square and everything yeah there's all the yeah the the dixie sort of vibe of of everything and the bands playing along the river yeah and it is it fits it does really fit like it really does like working in the same i i know it's like the haunted mansion in florida again we're not supposed to talk about it That technically like fits

Liberty Square and everything but it still seems a little Bit more out of place to me Well and then in Tokyo weirdly in Fantasyland not quite It's close enough to Frontierland that you'd count it as part Of that but it's sort of like a theme Into itself that's maybe the oddest

Placement of a Haunted Mansion Yeah that is It is odd it's that's maybe the oddest placement of a haunted mansion is uh yeah that is it is odd it's just like put in the back yeah it's like if you were in fantasyland and uh disneyland and instead of dumbo the haunted mansion was just sitting there yeah and it just jumps out i remember turned like turning around and like oh there's the haunted mansion okay yeah and yeah it's you know weird yeah here it's it's fantastic here it's great you know, weird. Yeah. Here, it's fantastic. Here, it's great. Tony Baxter, once again, has said like, oh, the Southern style house is more foreign to like California get visitors in the way that like the more New England style brick mansion

in Florida is kind of alien. Like if they put a Southern mansion in florida it wouldn't be that weird it wouldn't be that odd because that architectural that's why they changed the style it's interesting because he talks about that a lot philosophy wise when like when he's talking about phantom manor in in uh in france it's like well you know american west is a little more foreign to people in europe so like they're always constantly thinking about things that are like not so familiar to the place that the park is located which is funny that california adventure got built because that couldn't be the most opposite of what

tony was saying or like you're hollywood south of just south of hollywood right what's the point yeah it makes sense to have like maybe you go hollywood in florida because yeah you're not near that actual place as opposed to i was just explaining uh to a friend to the weird disney studios paris park uh the worst park disney's built and i found a picture that i didn't even i hadn't even stared at since i went there uh and there's like you know bad like facades of uh hollywood kind of buildings and one of them says larchmont hotel on it i'm like and the other one's los feliz i think and i'm like i'm like this is that's so bizarre it's a it's a larchmont nod in a field in paris but very forced so maybe that one uh works yeah except the building's very ugly so no and it's-hmm. And it's also, that one wasn't even an attempt to be a studio, which makes it extra weird,

I feel like. No, not really. Yeah, yeah. The theme's all, yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Well, the main drag of California Adventure being Buena Vista Street now, but Buena Vista Street is street in Burbank adjacent to the Disney Studios, and it looks like 1920s Atwater

Village, which is a different los angeles neighborhood yeah that's true i was gonna say at least that's in the past it is in the past that makes sense because that was their that was their plus up of like well at least let's make this in the past i do attribute to current hollywood a place that we're no one likes yeah yeah sometimes aaron and i'll be driving in there and we'll go wow we haven't had to Be in Hollywood in like four months Fuck yeah yeah no I did that a great Four months my friend had a birthday on Hollywood Boulevard two weeks ago

And we were parking I was like oh god I haven't been Here forever your friend spider man Or was it Elmo Spider man yeah it was Your oldest friend in Los Angeles It was Jack Sparrow Oh Mike oh I hope you Gave him a ball of rum yeah I did Your oldest friend in Los Angeles. It was Jack Sparrow. Oh, Mike. Oh, I hope you gave him a ball of rum.

Yeah, I did. Did I tell that story on this podcast when we saw Spider-Man at the Grauman's Chinese? I don't remember. And I went, there's a Randy's Donuts location on Hollywood Boulevard now. And I went in. Oh, and you had a donut. To get a donut. But also in there, because it was later in the night uh jack sparrow

haggling to try and get them to knock some bucks off the door oh no it's the end of the night you're gonna throw them away in character he was kind of in character we also saw him eating at the cabo wabo cantina earlier in the evening yeah we did see jack sparrow cabo wabo cantina that's in character he'd be friends with Hagar for sure. Yeah, that's true. Cabo Alto Cantina, which had gotten much worse in the years since we had been there. A little rough, yeah. Yeah.

It was always fine. It was always fine. But we were in there and we were like, oh, my God, as if we had come back 50 years later and they hadn't changed anything. If we did a I think it's I just heard it's getting a facelift I believe Oh it is Hollywood and Highland not maybe not that But the Hollywood and Highland district in general

Oh yes that's true if we did a city walk Denton Disney style thing about Hollywood and Highland We would kill ourselves we'd be done like Sector 5 We all cut ourselves And that's the end of the podcast well also every Time we'd go back to try something, the thing we had just tried

will have closed. Yes. Everything. We have to record it all in a day or else it's totally and release it the next day. The leases there are like 10 months long. And that works. That's a, that's a, we give some tourist and travel tips. If you're

kind of, you don't live in los angeles and you're coming to disneyland do not go no hollywood boulevard but all especially hollywood and highland if you're a fucking rat's nest if you're the type of person that likes garbage uh go like if you want to go like i want to see you in a city walk before you go yes for sure go to city i mean going just getting to see the movie in the big IMAX Chinese theater. For the Chinese theater. But that's about it. But also you can tour the Egyptian down the road, a much more pleasant stretch by Musa

and Frank. Yeah. So, anyway. Don't go. Anyway. Don't go. But we will do a series on it. And Jason will do two hours on Beard Papa.

I've never eaten a beard beard i want to eat a beard really what is it is it like i love it your papa's son i think oh my god who owns the beard papa ip and can your dad have a beard my dad does have a beard yeah i wonder i'd have to i am i've seen a picture of your dad and i'm picturing beard papa and i could be wrong i think there's a little bit across look up beard papa if you don't know what we're talking about he's like a little david the gnome style man who uh has sells pastry puffs great am i wrong about what he looks like and i like him too yeah he's great yeah we love we had a we had a working lunch the other day and uh afterwards i ran a couple errands close by.

And then I was walking by a pastry shop. And I'm like, no, I don't need it. And then when I was almost home, I wanted something sweet. So, I just got a milkshake at McDonald's. There he is, Beard Papa. That story was just I wanted one sweet and then I got a different sweet. So, this one time. The marketing was with the pastry shop was literally like under

new owners i was like well it's got new owners i'd never been there before i don't i'm just so you're describing i feel like your everyday life it would seem yeah oh is it a japanese company i think so oh i didn't know thatard Papa, fresh and natural cream puffs. That's what it says. I love it. Okay, so from Beard Papa. Yeah, so the- Our bizarre rules where Beard Papa ends up allowed. The spooky Victorian architecture kind of fits in with like what the American myths and legends,

what a haunted house should be. I feel like it either looks like a castle, kind of like Florida, or it looks like this. It looks like Boo Radley's house. And we talked about how Walt didn't want a run-down shitty house in his park. It had to be the stately kind of scary. He said, we'll keep up the outside

and the ghosts will take care of the inside. Something like that. Something like that. You know, I'm going to declare what i'm talking about is fits within the area geographically that that we are my primary uh association with the with the grounds and with the you know the the grass in front of the mansion is the disney sing-along songs of course today there's a disney sing-along vhs that is at disneyland and there is a performance of grim grinning ghosts sort of sung by a thorough raven's cruff sound alike and uh

this was it's neck and neck with earnest ghost to splash mountain in terms of like the biggest terrors that young scott gardner ever faced this was the scariest shit to me i saw youtube comments where people seem to agree or that this thing just just haunted their their dreams that is so charming all that's really cute it's a pretty specific uh thing to be scared of all the villains get together on the lawn all the villains and donald under a sheet and donald posing as a ghost you can see his seat sticking out of the ghost that's the tell that it's him he turned like who's this ghost and then he turns around and scurries away thick seat and his seat is showing it's showing so the villain yes it's a gathering of all of the villains.

The Disney's scariest villains of ghosts and creeps. Those being the Snow White Witch, Maleficent, a very like shiny Maleficent. Maleficent.

The brightest makeup. Little like pearls of sweat. Yeah. She is, yeah. She refracts so much light. Her face, the makeup

is one of the like the top most vivid memories in my brain like top 50 her face makeup and the way that it shines is so burned into my brain i don't know exactly on to the maleficent makeup i am sure that is much more common than we're thinking it is yeah i bet i bet yeah it's very striking it's just a really bold green a sweaty green it is like i yeah i don't know i don't know if it's sweat something's going on with it it probably plays much better like i get the whole thing all those disney sing-alongs anytime they would shoot something in the park it looks like they had an hour to do it yeah so it's not like they were testing out the cameras and the makeup or whatever. So they must have just been like slap whatever we have on.

Maybe they made some big adjustment and it just is so striking. I love this connection. I'm glad I'm not the only one. And I think I didn't I think I think maybe I hadn't even seen Sleeping Beauty, so I didn't know what Maleficent was. So to me, maybe it's like the Joker's makeup, quote unquote. And in some worlds, it's not makeup or Christy the Clown where it's like the joker's makeup quote-unquote and in some worlds it's not makeup or christy the clown where it's like uh that's like on him so i think not really knowing what maleficent was it's like what is why is she this shiny green monster uh-huh uh like some chemical

must have turned her this um so yeah maleficent's big shiny green cheek one of the most scarring memories of each other. I believe that if we, people listening to this, we'll post something on Twitter. They will, we will have a lot of support for people that have this memory in their brain. I hope so. A supporters club. That's the thing I remember the most about this is her face.

I gotta say, I really don't. I remember watching these. I feel like music teacher wanted a break that day. Put in a singalong tape oh smart at Disney sing-along tape I don't even know that we really sang along I think we all just like watched it because we were happy to watch the TV instructions but I that is like I can picture my one like music class room from childhood and I remember kind of weird that they showed it in your school at all oh we all we had tons of tapes where it's like teacher needed uh yeah teacher was out sick we had that teacher yeah she was there an hour a week um i told the story on the show where they were just going to

show us teenage mutant ninja turtles which is an hour movie an hour and a half or more yeah and then they turned it off because rafael said damn twice and no teacher had they had screamed that part yeah yeah um i mean on on like fun days like towards the end of the year and stuff we would when we were a little older and would switch classes for each subject they would like pause the movie and then restart it like on the intra tv network uh intra school network and and yeah that's what i remember watching wall of batman i don't know what that is i didn't have that like there were tvs in every room but the vcrs were centralized or essentially located like where you could make the same movie play in multiple classrooms whoa did you go to school

in the future i it seemed like it but it felt like they could never get it to work right and then one guy knew how to do it sometimes wow we never we we just had the old vcr yeah we had that too yeah to this day the only way i've ever seen lord of the rings is on a small tv far away that's you know i'm in the back row it's in the front row bass but letterboxed i've only seen what year is that i've only seen lord of the rings like from another room essentially is that like your last year a half a mile away you watch that in high school yeah i never saw it for real but was it a regular class or was it some other some class i don't know the movie's like two and a

half hours i don't think we finished it i think we're just like we got an hour all right here's some of lord of the rings okay bye if you want to I don't think we finished it. I think we're just like, we got an hour. All right, here's some of Lord of the Rings. Okay, bye. If you want to see the rest, bye. We finished Batman and Robin over a few periods. Now that's educated. Lovely. Of all the things you learned in school that were relevant to your future, your profession.

Knowing a lot about Batman and Robin is the most important. Knowing a lot about camp acting. Certainly for me. I'm amazingly not done with Grim Grinning Ghost, which is, so. Take your time, please. The, so yeah, Maleficent, but also there's these scary tree, before you meet the villains, these scary trees sway around. And I remember going to Disneyland and going, those trees aren't here.

And I couldn't, I couldn't even know if that was like a relief or a, I was scared of them, but I kind of wanted to see the trees. Right. And I always, I think to this day, I find the lawn bare because there's no scary trees on them. a guy can be i sort of i was scared of him but i kind of wanted to see the trees right um and i always i think to this day i find the lawn bare because there's no scary trees that's interesting um but also so all right all the monsters and ghosts because it's a song about ghosts so here's where the ghosts come out maleficent the witch captain hook yes and the big bad yes my favorite ghosts one of the most terrifying ghosts the big bad wolf

now there is this part here's what i was talking about between the columns uh there is a part where each of these four initial villains before donald and his seat join and they all go between the two columns and they do this double twitch i will play this little uh i will play this clip of it One second And this specifically One of the most terrifying Things of my childhood And I'm not getting it up quickly enough I'm curious if people know what I'm talking about

With the double twitch Where's the god damn Somebody else talk I was just going to say that This was a situation where of course As I've said many many times on the show I was looking at the Disneyland Haunted Mansion And it just looked like fake

To me like it was almost a set Yeah like a set because I obviously I did not Know what it looked like and out of the context Of this video I had never seen a picture I mean maybe I saw a picture of it but I don't Didn't remember it and it just looked strange It didn't look as scary As the one in Disney World.

Yeah, it's kind of... Oh, sorry. Oh, no, I was going to say, I think the buildings themselves, I think the building in Florida and Tokyo is scarier. I think the grounds are more unnerving. Yeah. And yes, and obviously, like,

I think it's scary now, but just watching it on a VHS tape, and it's like, well, that's the whole thing? This is also, like, my association with those sing-alongs is like this is one of the only times with my peers and like in school i had any interaction with theme parks because i felt like it was such a me thing me and my family yeah it wasn't until like my college roommate jack like also was like yeah no i get i want to i go a lot like he got it and then mike meeting you uh that was like really had someone to like do this kind of insane level

of discussion about it and then a third and then scott and now our now all our audience joins the army we've created yes Do our bidding, please. Here's this little moment. All the characters are walking by the door. With the sort of, you know, the monkey's effect where the camera stays.

It's like an impossible amount of space and it stays frozen and the monsters go and the monsters like the witch uh go in and out but when the big bad wolf with his big his long strappy tongue just just goes back and forth and sort of like a thriller dance pose for some reason i found that so fucking scary and not even the other ones as much. The wolf. And I had this recurring nightmare as a kid. My childhood bedroom was like at the end of a long hallway. And I would look out at the end of the hallway and imagine the big bad wolf walking in the front door and doing a double twitch. It's very vivid.

I was scared of the long tongue. I'm more scared of the long tongue than anything in any horror film in the last 20 years so like if there was like a david cronenberg movie with a long tongue that would be your nightmare yeah there probably is right out i guess i'm not scared of dogs or anything i'm not scared of real wolves as much as i am that up right standing big bad wolf but like a hanging tongue is really the issue yeah i imagine the tongue like going all the way down the hallway and like grabbing wrapping around me and pulling me into his mouth that's kind of like beetle like beetle juice the stop motion stuff wrapping around oh sure i was pretty scared of that too yeah yeah yeah they're

very much that style if we could go back in time we could sit little scott down and go like scott was just a non-union actor at three in the morning and they just said do something spooky and that's what they came up with they made a hundred dollars and also scott keep in mind It's not scary at all Only your weird Warped brain should be scared Of this That's the thing with creative kids is we would fill in the Holes like we would fill in

With actual like That's the case for non-creative kids too Yeah but then creative kids never stop doing it And that's why we do what we do That's why Keep talking about it that's on the curse of this tongue that sounds like some sort of aaron sorkin monologue from studio 60 oh stop no i'm saying we do we we exactly we exacerbate the fear by picking the most uh the least reliable

job in the country jason sheridan doing danny trip monologues. Oh, come on, man. Print that on a shirt. Don't you guys get stressed out when the giant clock that we have up in your apartment is ticking all the way down and we haven't come up with our episode idea yet? Wait, what? That huge, you see, it's right in front of you. They don't act like you forget about the clock. The podcast clock. The podcast clock. The huge clock that ticks down until 11 o'clock on Friday when we start. 11 p.m. on Friday when we record all these episodes.

Well, yeah, the nation is like, it kind of waits for us to sort of set the tone for the week's theme park. Oh, yeah. Now we sound like Eric Zork. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Everybody knows. Everybody remembers the big clock. We all remember the big clock from Studio 60. The Studio 60 big clock and the Studio 60 red hat that lets you know that we're in the past.

And 9-11 has just happened. And Matthew Perry's younger and coping with it. Right. Red hat equals younger. Let me say about the Disney with the video. I do. There is something tongue related in my memory. I believe Pluto licked me as a child.

The costumed Pluto licked me with his big fake tongue. Because, yeah, I'm right. I'm right. He has the big hanging tongue. And I do remember him licking me. I remember being conflicted about it. On one hand, it was like nice to be like, you know, shown affection by Pluto. On the other hand, I was thinking like, oh, the tongue is gross, even though it's just a piece of plastic.

I think in my mind I was imagining like getting like saliva by a dog. Filling in, as Jason said, filling in details that weren't there. I'm filling in the saliva part. And don't they say like a dog's mouths are like actually very not disgusting at all like it's is pretty clean yeah i mean i think yes that's true i didn't know that at the time well i think it was you know it was a strange dog even though i knew pluto i still had spent a lot of time with pluto so that's maybe why i was a little uncomfortable i'm just saying if we could sit young mike down and say like dog's mouths are actually very clean don't worry would that have worked or would you been like it doesn't matter no my mom probably was like dog's mouths will kill you if

you touch saliva from them especially orange ones yeah their paws are the things touching dirt and filth all day long honestly pluto's tongue probably dirtier than a regular dog's probably because he's licking every he's licking every kid yeah yeah probably sicknesses you might like have today something you something that'll eventually kill you you got from pluto's tongue it's been in your body for 20 pluto's tongue is carrying legionnaires disease it's just dormant legionnaires disease was was pluto's tongue it'll get you um okay so all that being said when i see the i just you know truly and now here i where i am going i don't know how we're gonna get on the ride because i realized oh i have shit to say about the grass because the grass is where this fucking thing happened the great yeah and i i think that's

a big part of the placemaking um there's doom buggies has that whole section on the flora like the plants around it which i don't i i'm not it lost me i'm not good at science but the takeaways i got were that one everything looks a little dangerous or a little sinister but obviously it can't be poisoned like it can't be but it's got a look so it's thorny and gnarly and like everything's droopy which ties into the southern thing the sort of wilting looking well yeah and just that it like looks unnerving like you are in an unnerving place the other illusion of the landscape architecture is that everything is overgrown this is an old place

that's not been kept up in reality reality, it is meticulously kept up. Meticulously landscaped architecture. It would be funny if they like let it go. Like the grass is overgrown. I think some of the others they have. Water shortages in Los Angeles. Well, we need to save some money. I think JPEG could just cut out the budget for maintaining the lawn.

Save a few bucks. Sure. So we veer off to the left and you end up in this little this courtyard area for a while where all the like back and forth crisscrossing happens. What do we have to say about the like the cemetery and stuff, which I don't have a lot on. Well, well, changed a lot over the years. Like they have, because you are right at, the big thing is that there are gravestones

honoring the Imagineers who worked on it, which were removed in 2001, the first time they did Haunted Mansion Holiday. Okay. Then facsimiles put back in in 2016. And they were lost yes really yeah there's a video on a disney blog with uh kim irvine uh who is what's her name's uh daughter right leota's isn't it leota's daughter oh oh leota i think you're right yeah yeah kim irvine she's she uh oversaw the restoration of the castle not well painting the castle yeah she

talks about her mother. Yeah. Yeah. So she's Madame Leota's daughter, essentially. Wow. But yeah, they lost the originals, apparently. They couldn't find them. Some of them given, I think, Accentenzio given his?

Yes, you're right. He took his and put it in his backyard, I believe. Yes. But we talked in the last episode a lot about all the many many figures who this was like a this is a trademark attraction of theirs and uh yeah they were all honored in here um and i have all of the names and all of the things that says yeah i got there yeah you got those two all right all right you take one and then i go the next one okay we might not be looking we might not be looking at the same i found a list on the disney parks blog lead designer specializing in backgrounds and environments we also developed at the

list no all right we'll do a couple uh and it said at peaceful rest lies brother claude planted here beneath this sod we have to hear every one of these people people want us to read jason people yeah mark davis lead designer specializing in character design and psych gags just a reminder claude coats mark davis kind of the the two warring influences for the haunted mansion in memory of our patriarch dear departed grandpa mark that's nice uh tencio we'll do a we'll do a couple of tencio who married the two. Kind of like smoothed it over. Dashiroly Crump. Dashiroly Crump.

Atencio wrote the lyrics to Grim Grinning Gross, I believe. Gross. Go ahead. Gross. Excuse me. What's that word? Requiscat. Requiscat Francis Xavier.

No time off for good behavior. R.I.P. Just do Bill Martin. Yeah, Bill Martin, concept artist. Here lies a man named Martin. The lights went out on this old Spartan. I wonder if they actually called him that. We should look into that or if that was just like,

oh, we don't got a rhyme for Martin. Let me do Fred Jerger. He was models and effects modeling because I always laugh i always like this one here lies good old fred a great big rock fell on his head yeah that is maybe the best one i hope that's not real either no it's a little insensitive to make a joke out of it um i did you guys uh i wrote some for us did you guys write I did know

I actually didn't know Let's see how these are I'm sure good Here lies Michael so very tall Tripped on Edwin and had a big fall Oh man So that's how I go I tripped over a dog

Into an empty sewer grate And then you're here For like a oh you Oh you're saying you keep falling well that's What I'm saying like where am I where do I fall is there like Did I he's always on your foot you just Fall and I'm just saying what do I fall is there like Railroad railroad spike that I Fall on smash your head open on a regular

Ground one of your stairs god that would be I'm just here for hours That Edwin just humping Your leg Licking my blood god that would be i'm gonna just hear for hours that edwin just humping your leg not knowing the lifelessness this is truly a honk cast a fright humping my leg and licking my blood up off the ground dog's tongue the scariest thing edwin let me see that tongue oh god it's three feet long but it's clean but it's clean uh scott do you want yours please okay rest in peace our beloved scott drank mold hot but fuck no rest in peace our beloved scott drank mold wine that was

scalding hot i just thought wine was too hot just one sip my heart just burst open just melted your organs i think just uh liquid and liquefied and jason um and i'll let you guys punch mine up because i kind of got a little tough okay jason so loved his sugary eats or fuck jason so loved his dessert eats not his way to death on sugary treats i like how you said desert yeah yeah if you punch it up with that desert desert um so so those were ours uh and then i i had an alternate for mine that is based on this did you guys come across the uh buy your own haunted mansion tombstone souvenir that they sold in the park. Yes. No. This great, I've got to open this image. So, they sold like you could get a personalized like I'm assuming miniature gravestone.

Mike, did you have this? Did you see this? I don't have it open. I saw it though. Let me try and. So, you could get a, could you write your own, like, inscription? Yeah, I think there was, like, you could write the name. I think you personalize it with your name. I think they had some set descriptions.

They have to... Like, you couldn't be, like, using an F word on there, could you? Well... You can't. There's got to be a restriction. You can't do that, but the sample one is insane okay uh here lies randy a dirty old man so my alternate be mine for you my alternate is just here lies jason a dirty old man this personalized too i didn't mean sexually i mean like uh like pig pen old. Not like horny or anything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of thing. So this says with name and saying of your choice, $1.50. What? It cost $1.50. That's great. Unless that's a... I don't think that's...

Yeah. Or is it $15? It's a weird looking... I think it's meant to be $1.50. But that kind of like glues it to a certain point. I don't even think you can get like a side of bacon for $1.50 in Disney now. Or like avocado on something,

I think is more than $1.50. Well, yeah, avocado is very expensive. So that's a fun little game you invented. Everybody write your own, write your own little tombstone epitaph, your own comical death, and send it to us us post it in the comments on the tweet I loved this

kind of thing growing up and I where I grew up is a very like southern is that kind of southern plantation style sort of just had a big porch and I had a sort of little like little hill

I lived on top of almost and uh so plenty of room to put basically my dad and i made when i was a kid made a bunch of uh gravestone markers and i wasn't clever enough to come up with them then i think i tried and it was just really like not kind of i think my dad's like i don't know but he was like being a head writer of these things but going through my dad i mean i let me say, in case they ever hear this, I was delighted by making the tombstone. Having those in front of our house made me so happy during Halloween season, walking in the door past a bunch of tombstones and stuff. But there is this one that didn't occur to me as odd until I got older. And this was my dad's invention. There was a

Halloween tombstone that said, here lies an atheist all dressed up with no place to go. Well, that doesn't rhyme at all. It's not a rhyme. It's not one of the rhyme ones. No. No. It's just a or found it in a book or something and put it.

So we used, my family used Halloween decorations to shame atheists yes the decorations had an agenda yes and it truly did not occur to me until I you know went and met more people that that was a bizarre thing it's I will say this

it is funny it's yeah yeah yeah it's not a bad joke yeah yeah I'll give you that so it is funny so at least it has that but yes it is it is funny because it's like yeah it's not a bad joke yeah yeah i'll give you that uh so it is funny so at least it has that but yes it is it is funny because it's like yeah it's uh turning its nose at atheists turning up its nose atheists it's for the best that disney doesn't have this joke yeah yeah it's not welcome in disneyland i wonder if they could have gotten away with that though in the early days because maybe people would have just thought that's a funny joke

And as opposed to Like feeling like it was Commenting Because you could just say well That's just a funny joke about atheists Because since they don't believe in a heaven They don't have anywhere They're dressed up no place to go

That might be my dad's defense that it's not like a Hard attack Right it's just a play it's a it's just a clever use of words to display that like there's no yeah curious now if that was his invention or not or if you can find i am curious about that yeah it's like um do you guys ever watch they used to show it after are you afraid of the dark the alfred hitchcock presents show oh yeah very similar to twilight zone but he would always do these very like darkly funny morbid intros and stuff.

And that I think I like that as a kid. I really don't remember the episodes, but I love those intros because it's just this odd, weird man and the style of humor of these of the Haunted Mansion. And also a lot of religious judgment. Yes. I don't care for the Jews. That was in the outtakes where they couldn't show them. The famous Hitchcock outtakes.

What do they even believe in? What else we got? Yeah, so there were different. Yeah, what's they had? So those are back. All of those are back. So there's one thing you probably saw this In the book that one of them is devoted

To Yale Gracie And that he's referred to as Master Gracie and that made a lot of people Think that Master means You're in charge of the house And therefore does that mean the ghost host Is Yale Gracie It does not mean that

It means Master was back in the past, you would call like Master was a child who wasn't old enough to be called Mr. Master Wayne. Master Wayne. Master Bruce. I thought my grandmother called me that once. Really? Master Mike?

Very confusing. really master mike um the other thing is uh i learned today yale gracie it was not they're like no we don't think of him as the ghost host because yale gracie the ghost host it's implied he commits suicide oh sure yale gracie was murdered really the yale gracie was murdered uh at a hotel on the pacific coast highway like it was a completely random like burglary oh no yes i never knew this until this morning like so in some case we were talking what if a big rock fell on that guy's head in this case one of them really did i mean i'm sure some of the number of them have passed away by now but oh my god yeah uh yeah it happened in the 80s so like i mean so they had already this had already been built florida had been built um but i was i was shocked by that i mean that is insane yeah it was like a

burglar yeah it was a burglar it didn't seem to have any like rhyme or reason or anything oh no so yikes but uh uh again a big old house with a family graveyard uh next to it another thing we traditionally think of like imagining a haunted house a graveyard by it uh but in the 19th century uh house big old houses had family graveyards by it but it wasn't necessarily like seen as spooky at the time um i was reading a little bit about this um let's see this was from uh i think doom buggies was citing a book going to the cemetery was a favorite outing one in which duty was mingled with pleasurable and sensuous melancholy um is in i forget what book this is from the doom buggies uh cites a lot so but back in the 19th century you have to think about like the world is speeding up right like technology

is changing so rapidly and everything but antibiotics aren't coming for a while so everyone is dying all the time like Like, populations are increasing. The industrial revolution has begun to happen. Like, so, it's a real fucking shit show. Western expansion. People, like, leaving to move somewhere and just never coming back or never hearing from them again. So, people dealing with death is part of daily life a lot more, I feel like, back in that era. What does all this stem from uh just the family graveyard like people would pick oh that you were more likely to have

yeah yeah um and there's also the 19th century saw the rise of spiritualism of people being obsessed with like can we communicate with the spirit world? The dead smarter than the living. They're more wise, more powerful than the... Can we try to communicate with them? We also saw Houdini at the time debunking insane, like, spirit mediums who were con artists. Psychics and frauds and that sort of thing. He said, supposedly, he had the word. He had a word that he told his wife when Houdini, when he died. He said, you go to all the psychics and they should be

able to contact me it was their favorite song I get like I saw something like that Rosabelle or something and he said you're gonna go to all of them and they're gonna do supposedly if they're doing a seance they can contact me and they'll be able to tell you what we know together and none of them could do it none of them could do it. He was an advocate for debunking all of that. He was debunked all of it. But after he died, his wife held a seance for 10 years after his death. And at the end of the last one said, 10 years is long enough to wait for any man. And extinguished the candle she kept burning.

And they were on the roof of the Knickerbocker Hotel. And at the moment that happened, a thunderstorm broke out in Los Angeles. Whoa. Oh, man. I know every like woman in the old days was like Tallulah Bankhead, just like has a great quippy line. Like it's just like a very perfect. Sure. I don't know why I picked her.

I like her. Mrs. Houdini, I'm assuming a bit of a four around it. You know, I don't know like her this is houdini i'm assuming a bit of a four around it you know i i don't know what her occupation was so i'm sure she picked up some of the showmanship of course uh anyway so yeah this is to get us back to yes the graveyard this was one of the threads i started to follow and that they would have been when designing the mansion like when we need a family graveyard the this old house is spooky the family graveyard is spooky even though back then people would be having a swinging wake at

the family graveyard oh that it's not so bizarre if you had a family graveyard now would be really insane but yeah time makes us spookify it more than they may have sure uh in the time the house would have been built right right um and then is this uh tell me if i'm not going the right order the pet cemetery yeah that was added later this was not original it seemed like it was kind of off the beaten path and then they moved it to a more central spot yeah it was around like the side yeah you saw the side like what like no i don't know i think it was just like a little fun thing that there was a secret yeah and then they sort of moved it more where you can see now yeah uh all the uh animals and stuff um it was created in the early 1980s um uh kim irvine

yeah and mostly like um store-bought statues store-bought animal statues that they then made the custom made the headstones for oh okay well i always this is so dumb of me to not think about this but it's so funny when you hear like imagineers and that person i was mentioning tanya norris who like went to new orleans with walt to like figure out decorations for new orleans square and haunted mansion it's like they're just going into shops new orleans and buying lamps and buying in my brain it's like all of it's invented they fabricated everything from scratch right whereas why it doesn't make any sense and like on expedition everest joe roadie's going to like bazaars and marketplaces and buying all of this

different stuff to populate the queue with to make it feel authentic it's like i think in my non-thinking brain i was like well they're all made in-house yeah yeah yeah by the imagineers but like what sense would that make right yeah i mean that like any tv or movies like if you meet set decorators or wardrobe people like i think as a kid i always thought like well this is from a big building at warner brothers like and that's like half true Like half the wardrobe is rented from the studios and the other half is just wardrobe people buying shit at Marshalls and thrift stores.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to have like 20 options a person, like just for someone to look at for 30 seconds or less and go like, not that one, that one. And then it's like, get them to set. We need to get this done. Yeah, all that thought. There's a hundred people on the clock them to set we need to get this done all that thought just yeah there's a hundred people on the clock right now that we need to get out of here there

are a lot of unsung heroes on movie and tv sets and whatever but the costume department i'm always impressed like just like somebody walking in with like 15 different coats just holding 15 different coats and an assistant trying to help and there's just like racks and racks of clothes only which like 5% will be used or less just so they have enough to like satiate the insane director's appetite

to see choices let's get you a watch or a tie clip and they're just pulling these boxes out of stuff and greeking like fixing it so it fits you I wear a lot of my own clothes sometimes for shoots because i have the weirdest sizes the weirdest proportions yeah yeah yeah to find bizarre things and have them be the right size yeah really insane um all right where are we we're at the pet cemetery cemetery we're getting close to the door we're getting close in the door

i have to say one of the funny things I found when I was trying to find out about the cemetery so like there's like 13 Imagineer headstones now and there's the vault there's like a the vault kind of thing that we took pictures in front of that one day

oh yeah yeah which I'm trying to find those photos I was trying to post those photos of you me and Aaron oh I have them oh you do okay good because there's photos of us in front of that one day oh yeah yeah which i'm trying to find those photos i was trying to post those photos of you me and aaron oh i have them oh you do okay good because there's photos of us in front of the area that you're not supposed to walk because the photographer let us go down there in that little area oh yeah um so uh what was i gonna say oh i found a vlog where someone had tracked the graveyard uh changes and we're not happy they they were not happy about the disneyland the new imagineer headstones they were definitely not happy about the interactive queue in florida uh the title of that blog post was just called decadence god so i was like as i'm like diving through all this stuff trying to to write stuff down, I'm like, OK, maybe I found my line.

Yeah. Yeah. As you're digging, there still is a way you could be that you're not willing to be. Yeah. I Jesus. Yeah. I'm just look, there's a lot we could do. I really want to talk about the stretching room.

I think we would be. Sure. I think we would be out of our minds if we didn't get to the stretching room in the second one. It feels like we're going to get there, but I can't guarantee it. Why don't we get there? We have a foyer to talk about.

We have to talk about the foyer. We have the door and the porch. There's more porch. Let's go then. Wrap around porch. I mean, the queue is like just switchbacks in California. Like that is the one thing. It's like kind of claustrophobic.

Let's get to the strategy. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We have time. We have time. We have time. I agree that the queue in Florida is a little bit more mystery and that this kind of switchback is a little bit like, I do kind of find that a little boring, sanding, especially if it like kind of backs up for a little too long and you're just standing there i always like pirates always feels a little more fun just

because there's a like a scenery change and on the queue usually although so that's a quick but you are limited by space like the berm is right there the edge of the part of the train tracks are right right there's not a lot of room there to like theme it a little bit more but yeah you're just kind of on top of each other um but that's obviously a minor gripe i'm always i will say as always and i've seen they do this at like events sometimes i always want to go upstairs i always want to be up there i want like give us a bar up there be pretty small this small bar it would be a very small bar but that walkway i mean it was thrilling to be on the second level uh with club 33 yeah for sure um but that's always i'm always looking up there and like come on couldn't they like build out

behind can they just build a extra section i think you hit a tunnel yeah you're probably right large stone train tunnel there's got to be a way there's got to be something up there to hang out. So, but I... Scott, I'm going to say, I think we will get a stretching room. And I did not make a lot of notes about the stretching room. Because... You don't have notes about the stretch? Like the thing? You didn't think we would either?

No, I know. Well, I know a lot of it off the top. Oh, that's impressive. And I had notes from last year where I was very ambitious trying to cover the whole mansion Yeah my notes are like through half the ride But these notes will stay They'll gather dust till 2022 Well that's good because you won't have to

I had to know I didn't make new notes It should save me work this year But a very important fact about this haunted mansion It is the only one you enter Through the front door of the house Ah sure The others you enter through the servants quarters so this one you see the house and you see right where you're gonna go into yeah and you enter a foyer a foyer foyer however you say it okay for you the foyer

being my terminology is mixed up foyer is we is we are inside. That's the room. Yes. But that's the room. We're inside. We're inside. We are staying inside. Oh, no. So, that is the room before the stretching rooms.

Okay. Yes. Yes. All right. Many American homes have a foyer. Some have what is known as a muck room.

General foyer effects. People need to know what a foyer is to get context for this section of the podcast only on a man you enter through the front door the others you enter through the side servants quarters door so the foyer

does someone have the narration yeah then I don't know you can do it I have it somewhere but yeah when hinges creep in doorless chambers and just creep like reading it all cool isn't it When hinges creep in doorless chambers Hinges creep? You're like reading it all cool I'm gonna read the

When hinges creep Is it creep or creak? I don't know I could be wrong No just read the thing In doorless chambers And strange and frightening sounds Echo through the halls

Whenever candle lights flickicker when the air is Deathly still that is The time when ghosts are present Practicing their terror With ghoulish delight Great very good Thank you I just want to make sure Is now the time with that being said

Okay we didn't really Let's talk about the fucking ghost Host yes the ghost. Perhaps the greatest performance in a Disney park. Yeah. What else could beat this? That's tough to beat. Obviously, there's single bears in the country bears that are up there. But as far as iconic, long lasting performances. Where people know it it where people all know it and it is Mr. Paul Freese one of the great voice actors of that era also Ludwig von Drake also Boris and Rocky and Bullwinkle

he narrated the original Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln I think he's back on it now he's one of the Beatles on the Beatles cartoon that's right from the 60s I forget which Beatles really? yeah yeah he's done a ton of stuff he's the Pillsbury Doughboy the Beatles on the Beatles cartoon. That's right. From the 60s. I forget which Beatles he is. Really? Yeah, yeah. Wow. He's done a ton of stuff. He's the Pillsbury Doughboy somehow. Yeah.

He's so many things. And truly what you just read, Jason, when you hear that paired with the music, with the first strains of Grim Grinning Ghosts, the minimal organ, I just think that music and that voice, that is the best little, and you like just the

best combo of music and performance and you can hear it. I was just pulled it up, pulled it up on Spotify on the way here and it transports you there. There's other bits of theme park music you could hear that don't have that same effect, but just like it's like it teleports you. It's such a weird feeling of dread and excitement. Yeah, it is. I don't know. Yeah, there's no more perfect marriage of that anywhere in the parks.

I mean, there's great. I mean, there's obviously Pirates is perfect. But like that one, yeah, probably the top. Oh, Paul Freese. Also, Dead Men Tell No Tales. Dead Men. Oh, right, right, right. Oh right yeah sure i think i was not clear on that excitensio i think is the voice of the skull but the dead the droning dead men tell no

tales i didn't know it's all today so like yeah in the two iconic classic from the 60s perennial attractions it's it's both of these paul freeze i think he's the auctioneer as well yes he was the auctioneer uh they replaced they replaced him all got replaced which is a bummer not the thing that changed just to replace his voice and i cannot talk about paul frees without mentioning without playing this little clip uh his most iconic villain certainly the uh the ghost host but if he's a villain he's pretty friendly honestly but uh very similar voice here is this let me play this clip that is the voice of car k-a-r-r the evil kit from nightrider he was an alternate villain uh version of kit he's the opposite of william daniels uh this is i've talked a lot about baywatch i am a haslov completist i am also a

giant fan of nightrider uh the evil character car appears twice one time it is paul freeze and the other it is not it is so much worse when it's not paul freeze and with it you can tell within knight rider fandom online a great area to poke around people love car car and which i do too k-a-r-r that rules uh so it was the first time i saw that like oh my god the ghost host is on Knight Rider. This fucking rules. That's wild. I'm trying to find the Beatles, which Beatle he did. Oh, yeah.

Well, there's these great videos where it's all of the voices. And then the video of the raw audio of him recording all of these parts. Oh, my God. It is a two part video on YouTube. Just phenomenal to listen to like 15 minutes of raw audio watching this guy nail this performance that is now so iconic uh and also just hearing like it's so amazing to hear him do these things that we can all narrate perfectly with the exact timing and then hear him go like that was it be another one

like hear him just do asides and then he does a version like he's Peter Lorre oh right he does it a total different way like you see they're trying stuff too god so they have this whole alternate version yeah and he did like which makes sense

do we want to be more monster with it or do we just want it to be this sort of looming? He was George Harrison and John Lennon on the Beatles cartoon. Wow. That's crazy. The Beatles. There is a full Paul Freese episode in our future. Oh.

Probably. Which we could delight some of us for. But let me. He was a voice actor. He wasn't an engineer. All of them. All those. Yeah.

Just a little taste. And please just look up this video... It wasn't an engineer. All of them. Just a little taste. And please just look up this video of Paul Freese of voice recordings. But hang on. And it is this. Your cadaverous pallor betrays pastoral fine rudy festebinicat vol. Take two from Welcome, Foolish Mortals. I may as well give you another one, right? All right.

Hearing backwards all of a sudden, like, what's that about? Yeah. He also says some very offensive things, but this is the 60s. Oh, yeah, sure. There was a clip I was like, ooh, I got to play this. And then an offensive thing is said, and I did not want to play it or talk about it. You can explore it yourself. However, the rest of the thing is so cool cool and it gives me the same little shades of like when you're

hearing raw takes brian wilson make working on pet sounds or like or i just always love like old vo guys like having to condense like yeah you were three seconds over and hearing the like you know just very workmanlike engineer dudes like i don't know and the fact that they had this all so perfectly timed out that like that they're that they had the timing ready to get they knew the ride mechanism enough to know like that's gonna be too long yeah right it does like it does seem like you would be especially back then when it was like this stuff is still not a science completely but especially back then you'd think it would have been like well we have uh two weeks solid worth of takes and we're just gonna to figure this out.

Where it does seem like you're doing there like they know. And maybe in the lack of, in a non-digital time, tape is more precious and recording studio time is more precious. So, they really did have to like nail it precisely. I mean, I guess like show-wise, like you're writing and you're like, well, people are going to be in the room for two minutes and like you can ballpark it, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.

He was also, I was I guess yeah yeah he was also I was gonna say he's also the thing on the 1960s Fantastic Four cartoon oh yeah the one with Herbie Herbie the robot I think Herbie is in that version I believe I think it is this was the cartoon where Marvel replaced

the human torch with a robot named Herbie because they didn't want kids to try to light themselves on fire no wait this is wait this is different this is human torch was in this version okay herbie there was a later version yeah yeah uh so just also when you hear this raw audio hearing like the difference between like what was a pretty good take and what's an iconic take and you hear a guy just like that's pretty good just do it once more you know to be a little more whispery with it you know deathly deathly still and then he does it and then you hear hearing like a b plus version then hearing the a plus iconic one little note from some stiff

shirt and a white colored shirt yeah gives him like and now that is iconic and it's heard around the world for 50 years and um and and you and you hear takes where like he does it uh you know it's wall-to-wall creeps and that's not nearly the same as wall-to-wall creeps yeah those little choices it's just that's why i'm obsessed with this uh this performance every little where he just finds these weird little bends and it's so iconic and you love the knight rider remake from 2008 too oh of course yeah yeah sure with i was uh that was i remember gladiators 2008 and knight rider 2008 they all they all they nailed one of my first jobs gladiators 2008 and i remember at the rap party or like the big premiere party the live broadcast of the premiere just rolled from gladiators right into knight rider oh i

thought those were the same that was their big white hope after the writer's strike was night rider and white hope crashed crashed and burned uh that was the one where it was supposed to be will arnett but he had done it was associated with it was associated with another car or whatever that was and then it became val kilmer is that right so uh and but no car i don't believe a car i don't think they had a car so so i buy that i mean kar oh right oh there was a car it was car but not a k sure and michael knight showed up in one episode hasselhoff himself showed up in one freeze paul free's a guy i feel like there's a lot not that voice actors voice actors i don't think you even get that much as much recognition as they deserve in general but

especially like a name i feel like doesn't get said even like your mel obviously your mel blanks is the top of it but like mel blank or i think at the time he was maybe because he was on air a little more too yeah but i feel like i'm like lasting wise sure you know you hear june foray's name and these are all people that deserve a lot of uh she was rocky on rocky and boatwinkle and she deserve a lot of credit. She was Rocky on Rocky and Bullwinkle. Yeah. And she did a lot of voices. But I feel like for, yeah, for the Haunted Mansion narration, more people probably heard that. Like, the amount of people that have had a feeling because of this man's voice.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, how many people actually he is. Yeah. And I think maybe that is a good moment to say this. The reading along with the narration oh shut the hell no shut the fuck hard stance i'm making an assumption here yeah i'm gonna say the podcast

the ride stance is shut the fuck up don't read along with the thing let's listen to paul freeze what are you doing why does everyone do this do this? Are you a hardliner like that or no? I hate it. I think people have gotten better at it. I think so too. It was really out of control in the more ironic 90s and I think now people are more willing to just enjoy it and be part of it

and I you know to me it's like this weird trying to take control of it. It was like, it's like bratty people going like, I, I've outsmarted this. I know what it is. I'm cooler than it. And you're not, it's the best. Shut up. Yeah. I, yes, I think so. I mean, I, there's two, two things, two reasons I say I don't like it. Number one, I want to sit there and I would like to i've been on this a lot

i've gone on this a lot but i would like to sit there quiet stand there quietly and try to feel i want to feel it i want to enjoy it i want to feel it the way um and then number two there's people that haven't been on this before not in. Now in Southern California, a lot of us have. Probably half the room has been on it or more, maybe more. Yeah. It might be 75%. Who knows? But people that are on it for the first time, maybe they're coming to a theme park for the first time. to have your voice talk over this perfect narration and change the experience for people

that might be going on at the first time and blown away by how cool it is because you're selfish because you want it to be about you i think it's like singing louder than the musician at the concert it's like let's i don't like this guy having a spotlight. Put the spotlight on me. And I'd say no. The concert's different. Because singing along and singing like. It is. There's a line. There's a line at a concert between really enjoying into it versus this about me.

Yes, we know the line. It's pornography. You know it when you see it at the concert. You go, that guy's too much. But for me. In your case, it's seeing a woman's knees well that i suppose we're talking pornography yes too much but movies and plays by a lower leg if you're in a darkened theater if you're watching a movie or watching a play

no i think the same thing as this it's it's you are the audience you be a polite audience member i want to sit there perfectly still and perfectly quiet. And I, yeah, I want to take it all in. I am. And I'm going to only say this a tad. I am a tad more lenient on the blackout scream. A tad. I still prefer no scream.

I'm relieved when there isn't a big group scream. I am too. But OK, that actually maybe you argue, adds a little something, but it also is a little too showy for me. They might be like seeking it by having that scream in there. It's like all the voices going, bean bunnies up there. Like it may be sort of that they want you to scream. But then there's also the people who get on and like, I'm going to shatter eardrums with my scream.

Yes, that I don't care for because that just feels so performative. And you're not trying to help anything other than just be like, let's see how loud. And let's see if I can like make a spectacle of my voice. Well, when it's adults, like when it's like teens or tweens, like I'm like, oh, you don't have empathy. Your brain is still growing. I can forgive it a little. When it's like some dipshit, like 30 year old Orange County dude. And it's like, you, you have been on this before.

You've done this a million times. Why are you chanting along? You weird man. Not like us. Not like us. There's nothing weird about the way we. We're polite weird men. And yelling on a podcast

on a free Sunday they have to everybody, shut up. Yeah, I mean, this is a cranky... I wonder what the prevailing wisdom... I wonder if we've just lost like a third of our audience. I'm like, we like chanting along. I wonder what the consensus is. I would think... I feel like I get the...

I feel like I have a sense of the Facebook group and I think we're going to get a lot of support on this i would think so hopefully on melissa millicent's cheek and i i get it that there's some fun stuff that you want to since you go a lot to the parks there's fun stuff to participate in like i mean if you liked if your thing was singing it's a small world in a tasteful manner i find the song's playing that's not my thing i'm just saying uh i sometimes i find myself if i'm on pirates as we're going down i'll just be like the men telling the tales though and this is for a pirates episode don't talk in the boat

when you're before you have the waterfall that i've done it probably once or twice of my 100 times i've been on it but there are people full on conversations when you're going Into the dark area They consider that the pre-show it's like checking your phone During the trailers yeah but it's so mood Setting I told some people to be quiet Once because they were fucking hammered And my family was visiting

And then someone went to the bathroom Afterwards and they these drunks Were complaining that I told can you Believe that guy told us to be quiet like in the like quietest part of the ride i would have loved to have seen that happen boy i would not do that i don't think unless it was like total truly like out of control um but there's mood mood mood that place sets a mood the haunted mansion surely sets the mood and it's like let's all let's all be present i think there are conversation rides i think on the train you can talk on the people mover you can talk sure yeah and you look as long as you're not shouting on the ride the haunted mansion

and also when we're walking in the hall talk at a normal volume that's fine i'm not saying like we have to be portraits uh right i'm just saying there's plenty of times when i'm not we're not being insane it's just when that that specific thing happens and people talk and again i have noticed it's gone way down because i think it's bothered the employees and they start they've started saying don't talk yes in character yes they will say also i should say if you are a child and you are scared by all means do what you have to do like do if you are a scared child listening to our podcast because you are scared by the ghosts and the hanging skeleton please yes go nuts uh i i do not judge

a child i would love to see you shout a child down for it. No, I'm saying I would never do that. I don't know, but what if he was a loud child? What if he was hammered? You know what I do? I just hang back at the loading. I just slow my walk and I let them, I let a bunch of cars, I let them go first. Get a bunch of cars in between. Solve the problem without any conflict.

Here's what I'll say. If you want, I will approve. If say you're like Disneyland, it's very empty. And maybe you're in there with just like a group of your friends this happened maybe once or twice have a little fun there there's not a lot of other folks there that's a unique situation obviously and i think like if it was a group of maybe like six or seven of us and one of us had a killer idea for a bit or a joke go for it that's fun i'm just saying that when it's packed in there there's no reason that's the show enjoy the show yeah we're not the show and that's the podcast the right and that's our truth hot take

about that situation um that being said the stretching room well can we go back there was gonna be they toyed apparently did you see this with the ghost host in the foyer having a talking like bust oh wow it was not gonna just be a narration there was gonna be a little figure really oh that's it I would like have moved its mouth

with Paul Freese's narration well and I guess there's that thing as well. It's like, what is the ghost toast? Because some people think it's the bird. It's the raven. Yeah. I guess it's the body that's hanging. I mean, it's my, yeah, that's him.

That, I think, has been, so that was their like, we don't like to call that hanging man Master Gracie because he didn't commit suicide he was murdered um but uh we can assume yes as the ghost host tell us his way out yeah so but what is he to any of this is the question does it matter oh he's just a ghost who's around yeah well the ghost host is uh shoot am i wrong am i wrong about this the ghost host supposedly is the one playing the piano in the attic oh i think i caught that that's that's right right the shadow playing the chat right yes it's like remember that effect in the in the when the piano is being played right which is very similar to the effect at the party no no it's in the attic i believe i'll double

check this right now i've seen this as well okay so that makes me feel better about that information yeah yeah yeah that might as okay i think the kind of like rumors and urban legends and stuff is so correct is so diegetic to this ride because that's what happens with haunted houses or abandoned houses like oh did you hear that well you know what really happened there it all makes sense it just adds to the the legend that you aren't right yeah it's like a real murder house we're like oh yeah i think it's this no the husband did this no no this guy crazy guy came in yeah it's like yeah it is an urban and i think like leaving it a little open to interpretation adds some joy i feel like everything is like you know double checked t's crossed i's dot it nowadays there's

like so much less really if it was made nowadays you'd be like okay well let's write out all 999 ghosts let's figure out how they all got there and it's like fuck off no it's a it's a house full of ghosts i prefer this to and making up mythology as you go um let's talk about the portraits. We got a girl on a tightrope. And as we go downward, we see that there is an alligator. And these are guests. Is that right or am I wrong? They're people who've stayed at the mansion at various times?

Are some of our guests in their more corruptible. These are some of our guests. Oh, I see. Oh, that's a line in there. Yeah. Yeah. So this is like sort of a warning essentially to us yeah because i was a little bit even though that's in the narration i was an ironic thing beneath us yes that we don't know about or but we're also like all of these people well all

these people except for the woman on the gravestone are going to die. Right? Yeah. Because I've always read... I feel like that one is revealing she killed the husband. You're right. All of the stretching portraits add information. Yeah, I guess in some cases they're going to die and they don't know it.

In other cases, oh, this person is a murderer. Right. So this is supposed to be a kooky way to scare us and not the originals what we look at now are not the original paintings these have been updated over the years and kind of have gotten more lifelike but they're the same idea same idea yeah but these i believe are the paintings that uh raleigh crump drew originally and And Mark Davis said, no, that's no good. I'll redraw them. Whoa. Wow.

But other people have redone them since. Well, they got that sense of humor, the Mark Davis. They're the Mark Davis thing. It is funny because like they taught, we've talked about this in the, you know, last episode last year. It's Claude Coates versus Mark Davis. Because Claude Coates wanted it to be creepy, a little more traditionally like a haunted house.

Mark Davis, very whimsical characters, big, fun, silly things. And kind of their backgrounds. Claude Coates, a background painter. Yes, yes. Mark Davis, yeah, as you said, character designer. Yeah. But yeah, early on, we have a big dose of character and silly. Yes.

And it's like the first half of the half-ish, maybe more of the mansion is more Claude Coates. But you get a little of your Mark Davis in this room. Yeah. That's the most I'm trying to think what the next Mark Davis thing is. I'm sure he had plenty to do with everything. But especially the graveyard at the end. But yeah, of course. Yes.

But this is like the first silly thing. But it's still in the tone of we're trying to scare you. Yeah. Well, almost a lot of them are like not funny with it when you look at it at first and then the stretching reveals the fact that's sort of in keeping with the theme of uh scary but then surprisingly silly right and of course you know and and really i think with silly if you took out man with no pants on dynamite dynamite guy it would like if i'm looking at all four of them and

if if this was gone it would look a lot less silly i think no pants man with boxer shorts on does read and make the whole thing sillier sure it's still silly but boxer shorts striped boxer shorts it's a comedy comedy move. Comedy move. Comedy classic. Like vaudeville ass move. The name of that man, do we know the name offhand? I don't know where I found this. I don't know. This is where I, yeah, this starts to get interesting.

Go ahead. Well, the name of the guy we reveal is standing on top of dynamite. His name is Alexander Nitrokov. I did not see that. I don't know. Forget where I found that i found it last year but uh next time you go on there tell your whisper to your friend or loved one that there is alexander nitro cough and and in very few this will come up later but not very many names there's all these characters but almost none of them have specific names so that's actually a

rare one not very many but i think over the years they've been like giving back stories here and they were like in additions oh this edition references this character who we gave a background to that didn't have one before right like the bride with the max is constance hatchaway oh yeah and then there's like i think that's 11 different they sold they were selling around the mansion time. They were selling 11 different like spirit jars. So, they had 11 different characters. So, you had your hitchhiking ghosts and you had your hat box.

But then like Constance Hatchaway and all these other ones. Now, that's where it starts to get like pins. They have sold pins of like the changing portrait that either said the ghost host or master. It said something that people had assumed over the years and imagineers were like, let it slide. But we didn't approve that. Okay.

So, the mythology, people are inventing their own mythology. Yes. Again, urban legends, rumors and stuff. Those three guys in the quicksand, they don't got names. I didn't see we know the husband is george because we see his tombstone yeah um anyway these are wonderful i realize that these are sort of like it's it's the uh really what it is is an opposite direction mad fold-in where that's right and then this is sliding down and revealing info but right at the time the peak

of mad magazine like very clear like great like really good comical illustration because they're sort of like oddly similar super detailed and great character design yeah um the room itself one of the early like pieces of trivia that's fun is how in Disneyland, the question, is this haunted room actually straight? Wait, no, that doesn't answer the question. In Disneyland, you are going down. It's an elevator. Yes. You are descending, and the top of the room stays where it is.

When you walk into the room, you're right next to the uh the hanging ghost host you just don't realize it's like right on top of you in uh disney world they kept the effect and togyo they kept the effect but it's the ceiling that goes up yes uh and which that was all a mind blow to me as a kid um and like you have it like guessing and seeing if you can tell and uh but you know you can tell because you feel yourself moving in Disneyland. But it's all to get you out and under the berm. But it's cool they recreated the same effect, but did it opposite. Yeah, because like so and I'm assuming this I'm sure I'm assuming I'm right. I remember I've talked about this in the show when I was in Pirates.

I truly up until a couple of years ago didn't realize that Pirates, the ride itself, the majority of it in Disneyland is sea level. It's the normal land. And when you enter, you're, of course, entering up on the second or whatever, maybe even third story. I don't know what you would call it necessarily. And then all of that is built up. New Orleans Square is built up on top of where the earth was when they started building. I was like, oh, yeah, of course it is. They didn't dig

in my brain i was like they must have dug under and made this whole thing here this sort of impossible architecture dawned on me and i i'm sure i learned this at some point but it freaked me out this week when i saw the diagram this little purple box is the uh foyer and the stretching room this is all that exists in the facade the facade you look at of the mansion is just the stretching room and the floor it's like a tenth of the lay of the land maybe not even basically there is a massive show building behind it that you never see from in front of the mansion where all the ride is it is so odd that you i don't i didn't think about that up until a few years ago also yeah i didn't really think about it like i knew it must of course be bigger somehow but how many people go in there and walk into this mansion and go like yeah we're in

this elevator okay and never think about the fact that it has to it has to be that big but seeing yes as you're saying seeing it blows your mind. You still are sort of picturing that you're going around different rooms of this house. Yeah, like, okay, well, it's the basement of this house. We're in a basement now. When in fact, of course, I think just like pirates, I could be wrong. They just built the house up one story, essentially. Like they did with all the different parts of New Orleans Square.

And then you're just taking an elevator down to like normal level and there's a massive yeah unmarked show building behind it paint it go away green oh yeah uh or the avoidable the color you don't really there was an even odder term for it online i forgot to write down i was like tatager like there was some very weird i was like that's never what i've heard it called um there's another thing with this effect where you i saw it framed in some listicle like when you're in that elevator you're in a cage essentially the fact that you're in i don't know whether the line was first or the technology was first but that this room has no windows and no doors that partially comes from that you're stepping into this just like octagon.

I forget how many sides there are, but that you're like, you know, extending a couple feet above your head is this you're in this like brown space. And that is if you weren't like completely swallowed by that, you'd be able to see the stretching of the walls better. Like it's like hiding the the descending essentially right So though yeah, though like the wood the no windows no doors makes that effects work Yeah, it's all that slight. It's like not slight event like a miss magic. Mr. X Yeah, all of it working together to like Disorient you a little bit and distract you a little bit.

And to make it so you don't know you are in that thing going, how are we going to get out of here? And that when the lights go out and the fact that it is all around you, you like lose sense of direction. Yes. And you and you. So when a door does open and you have somewhere to go, you're like, wait, it's over there. But I came in that way. Yeah. and you have somewhere to go you're like wait it's over there but i came in that way yeah i think it took me like 50 maybe not 50 but like 30 to 50 times on the disneyland haunted mansion before i even fully was like okay now i know where the doors are and because there's two different

yes i figured that out this year i know crazy because i'm sure i've been in both of them but like it took me so many times doing it to go okay great these two doors both open they are two separate elevators and i know which one depending on i go in and i know where the door will open up and i know that i always rush to the back like if i go in the left one or the uh or the right one i know which way to go now to like get into the line faster yes but it took forever yeah because i was still disoriented by the trick they're saying don't touch the walls it's because they don't want people to happen to lean on the wall that's about to slide open and eat shit oh that's why they say go to the dead

center of the dead center right right right yeah because i always thought it was like something like the wall was moving when i was like no no it can't because that section is all fixed the section by the wall like it's not actually moving it's that part is going down with us it's what you're saying it's that there's a door and if somebody's leaning and gets comfortable and the thing slides open that's a lot of fall right out yeah i have to say this was definitely an early influence for me wanting like liking eccentric weirdos and flowery language because i hated spelling tests like spelling and definition tests in school but as a kid i knew uh uh your cadaverous pallor betrays an aura of foreboding like i knew that yeah yeah yeah i knew

i knew what that meant i was like yeah i'm scared. I was the same way with, I remember asking my mom what all the words meant in Grim Grinning Ghosts. Because there's such like hyper vocabulary in there. So, yeah, it's educational. I remember that feeling as a kid. Like, that big crazy word. I got to know what that means. Why can't I remember the ones in Grim Grinning Ghosts? There's some vocab in there for sure. I can't remember anything else i got really upset uh uh too recently uh speaking

about behaving like children uh because i was like oh haunted mansion i was coming out i should drive down there and ride it but i can't because it's haunted mansion holiday oh right we're right oh we don't even have time we don't have time for that we'll do it after they stop doing haunted mansion holiday yeah it'll be gone the year after they stop doing it we'll do it um the stretching so the first part of the ride is a ride i mean it's an elevator yeah and we're hoping that rise of the resistance is a similar thing where like it's it's this multi-part experience where the pre-ride essentially is part of it too. Yes.

Who knows? We'll find out soon enough. Yeah, see, because Chapek said 15 minutes of being chased around by Kylo Ren, but does he mean that's the actual ride? Because I don't think you get chased until you're actually on the transport. So does he mean the ride itself is 15 minutes? I hope he does. Or is the whole experience. But is the whole experience 15 minutes i hope he does or is the whole experience but it's the whole experience 15

minutes this is sort of the best case scenario on a mansion where it's like you don't even nobody's complaining i'm not on the ride yet because this thing right which is how you know how i feel doing the episodes as well he's talking about the cool effects before you're though i wonder if we can get there still i the uh so i don't know the the hanging is there much to say about that i think like uh yeah it is we've talked about it is oddly oddly the darkest very dark it's it's an effect i think i talked i for sure talked about this on both haunt episodes that on the knots scary farm maze that's paranormal ink is they have an effect right as the at the end when you're in this hospital and they do like a light flicker and you

just see sort of normal hallway and the lights flicker and all of a sudden you can see into hell you can see through the walls because it's a scrim thing yes you can see a demon coming at you and I didn't put two and two together until doing some research and like oh that's what this is and it's a very like old school

analog like fit that is there's nothing this is and it's a very like old school analog like fit that is there's nothing digital about it it's like stagecraft you throw a light on it which is also how they do like the the rooms that you can't see in the carousel of progress like suddenly a light comes out it was just fabric and now we turn a light on and there's a whole other scene there we didn't even know about there's a trick to um the wallpapers in the stretching room the candy stripe wallpaper um the the vertical lines make it feel much large even larger than it is and just as a kid like the the breading i don't know the candy stripe yeah made it unnerving made it like a scary circuit something it was weird another thing where

it's just like it's fine it's not gonna hurt you but it makes you feel a little odd it's another thing in the uh in this right um the the that that light comes on and the the lightning cues and like okay now you can see up there and you didn't realize there was this whole this whole hidden area the lighting in the stretching room's crazy because it being 360 there's nowhere to put lights so everything's lit by the candles and then you can't see up there like the the lightning up there it's like not as similar when we talked about the back to the future ride where you had to see all directions around you because it was this weird like almost 360 way of shooting so everything has to be lit from within like there's nowhere to just like unlike small world where you can see the lights which i like there's nowhere to just hang a light

anywhere in that so it all has to be practical and no it's a bunch of fucking goblins it's goblins statues holding candles those are so cool yeah those are very cool um you can see if you look up i think you can kind of see the hanging guy a little bit right when you enter now a little bit i have a question which is did he is Was he in the mansion for many many years Or was he only in that room for as long as we were And he was like fuck it that's it Along himself Like 30 seconds and he's out

Was he listening to a podcast that went on too long Really stretched out A lot of people are hanging themselves with their earbuds Free Adnan Adnan did nothing wrong How was that Why do they have so many feet? Why do they have extra feed drop episodes that are ads?

Too much. So, Lightning Flash is you crash. You are now, the door swings open. You're in this. Hold on a second. Yeah. And we can tell me if this is too morbid, but it is fascinating in a very morbid way do you look at paul freeze's wikipedia do you see his cause of death listed no suicide fuck you're kidding it's not hanging it's like

pills but paul freeze died of suicide that which is insane learn I know we're in that right I did not know this until today the guy who said it there's always my way is that is that not insane I thought the bring them young stuff was weird and like the fucking Hearst Castle connection

let alone all the the Yale Gracie and the Paul Free stuff is very morbid. It's insane. It's insane. I didn't. I didn't. That's in Wikipedia.

That's a Wikipedia thing. I don't think. I'm not looking at doom buggies and their yellow journalism. Oh, you're looking at Wikipedia. They always are liable. But still, I mean, insane. I mean, oh, fuck. I don't know how you top that

R.I.P. yeah I know well we could just be done We don't have to Although we're ending On such a grim note What do we Think we're out of the facade We made it out We're on the lower level

We'll go through this Let's do it There's not that much to say there Let's go lower level we'll go through this let's do it let's do it because that was such a morbid way to say there's not a portrait let's go what do we got there is a lot in there we have like we have like go for two hours okay portraits okay first of all get the water out of your mouth we're walking through the first of all the fact that it's you know it's a rain thunderstorm down there uh in the windows simple effective sure truly makes me forget what the weather outside was not that i know it's not a thunderstorm

but truly like mood atmosphere there's nothing fake about it yeah to me when i'm down there true really really great um yes you're right cool portraits cool portraits now this is you are under the railroad tracks this room exists for practical reasons yes to get you from the uh basement of the facade building into uh underneath the railroad so just that part is under yeah you are literally going under the tracks okay and i i honestly am not sure at what point you step from under tracks into exact show building um but you are underground that's why the ride the doom buggies go up oh the stairs okay okay to get uh uh back to you go up a ramp at the end yes yeah okay um i did i will think about the next time i'm on that yeah you you're right under the train. That's pretty crazy.

Yeah. This is kind of a holdover from like when the whole place was going to be a walkthrough. Right. But this solved the problem. Yeah, and those effects. And yeah, we talked a little about the bus and stuff. Now, why can't I picture? Okay, you got like a Cleopatra kind of.

What are notable? You've got them in front of you. These are some of the older sketches. Do we have favorites of these of the paintings well there's like the cat lady I mean the old guy the Dorian Gray kind of old guy

the cat lady is so odd you have doom buggies open and flashing between the two well the ship I think the ship is a highlight and there's things very much like this in club 33 which is a cool secret to discover when you're in there and that we're spoiling for you. Yeah, the cat lady, for whatever reason, that's the one that always sticks out in my memory

of it. Do these paintings remind you a little bit of like black velvet paintings, like sexy 70s? Honestly, the paintings remind me of the video your Adam West video. Oh, hey, I Hold Paintings with Adam West. Check it out on my YouTube because Funny or Night went away, so I put it on my channel.

Are there I Hold Paintings in the Haunted Mansion? It's a good question. You would think there would be. It's such an old time gag in all these types of things. There is that in the film. I'll say that in the eddie murphy movie which is a whole other thing yeah um but yeah of all the weird effects and that was certainly a disney inspired thing but the bus kind of serve a similar purpose oh they follow you absolutely

and we talked about that last time how that's a reverse thing you're like looking into a sculpture a lot of people were like how did they not know that well we didn't and i feel like one person said that but i still a lot of people are saying but as soon as you said that though a lot of people are saying that was my memory of someone like making fun of us for not knowing that effect it makes a lot of sense but i didn't know it either um this is unique again this is all necessity at disneyland at disney world you come out of the stretching room and you are right there. You get on your dune buggy right there. Which is why some of the busts are on the ride part.

Yes, they're on the ride. Now, let's talk about this. I think that you can say things you like or don't like, better or worse, Disney World Disneyland I think the first couple the beginning of the ride uh in Disney World and Tokyo which are pretty similar I think is a little superior because I think the probably due to space issues um that they do throw you right into it I like and I think this very the very first room is kind of the most underwhelming route like like the load area. Well. Because there's sort of just nothing. Yes. And this is what you will hear this if you, I was referenced earlier that season pass

episode about Haunted Mansion. Tony Baxter says when Haunted Mansion, the movie was happening, there's some sort of conservatory scene setting. Yeah. There was a plan in place to put that setting in the load area of haunted mansion now is that like staircases and i'm trying to um usually like if you think if picture the movie clue it's kind of like conservatory like i think that's what conservatory maybe i could be getting glass glass everywhere i could be getting this wrong but i'm pretty sure i'm right but it's

some scene from the haunted mansion it's like a weird prominent location in the haunted mansion movie well i guess i guess what scott is saying i'm just saying i think that at least tony and other imagineers had identified that as the week a week scene yeah and which is a little better in disney world in tokyo and way better in phantom manor like that space where you get on the doom buggies yes and and it's a thing that i like about haunted mansion holiday that big that big tableau of all the characters yes it's fun it's very fun it makes that that really livens the room up um so that is if i could say you know i'll uh uh i'll throw shade on this ride here and there i like that tony's identified that i think that is one weak spot uh and i and i also i don't think it's better

or worse i like the the bus that follow you either way but it is cool to see there's like a library room you go through or just filled with them yes yeah yeah which i do like so that may be disney world may have the edge for those first couple rooms and then it becomes pretty identical yeah the ride itself the differences are more outside and right um there's this disneyland or this this haunted mansion book uh jason sorrell wrote or put together uh that is very cool we've mentioned last time but that's where a lot of the information's coming from. A lot of cool other things that didn't make it on the ride, like this, like,

why can't I think of... Medusa. Medusa, thank you. Isn't that on there? That's in the portrait. Yeah. Is it in there? Yeah. What am I misremembering? Yeah, that's on there. Oh, she looks a little different. Okay, okay, but she's

not wearing a yellow dress. Oh, she looks a little different. Okay, okay. But she's not wearing a yellow dress. Oh, excuse me. But there's cool stuff that isn't in there. This is scary. Skeleton horse, it seems like. Yes, the skeleton horse is cool. Skeleton horse is in there. It looks like one of those body world things

that Eva told us is the Oregon Horror Story. Yeah, political prisoners. Okay. This feels like we're coming towards an end. I'm going to get to my goal. So you're around the corner. We've talked about those stanchions. The stanchions are cool.

Yes, very cool. The bats. Those are fantastic. I'd love to have one. I like to touch those. Yeah. And they're dirty as shit, but I like to touch them. I know.

I get over a little bit of germophobia with those. But they age beautifully. They aged gold. Whoa. Yeah. Like, as you rub it, the gold, like, if you see statues that people rub for good luck, that part wears away to gold. Oh, and that, the final one they said is, like, especially, everybody touches the last

one. Yeah, yeah. And then you step onto a moving moving walkway we step off to the right you sit down in your doom buggy and we're on the ride we made it we made it on the ride wow a little under two hours yes in under two hours maybe more with ads holy shit we did it you know what let's even go a little bit further let's go let's go out on a high because we're sitting in the thing and we're moving forward and we want to reach forward and we want to pull that lap bar down no no and then the ghost toast pops in we haven't heard him since the elevator and he tells us, no. I will lower it for you. One of the coolest moments.

Yeah. And I will then add. And then the sexy Spanish ghost host comes in. Yes. That is in my notes. I want to compliment the Spanish ghost host very much. An unsung hero. He and that's what this is where we're going to end it.

But he is. Look, you know, when you're doing something that's been done already you don't want to do the same thing which so i appreciate not doing a paul frees impression he decided to go very sexy with it and it is it is truly brazos i love the like maybe even as much as iconic as all the paul frees is to me i'm a big fan of manos brazos he is so excited he's like he's like a like a soccer announcer yeah so excited is that what he says I guess yeah yeah

but those are good but it doesn't have quite the gusto manos brazos he's having so much fun there's a coziness to that too I don't know what it is because you're going up I'm just like, yeah. Like, you feel like a little, like, warm.

You're on the ride. It just happened. Yeah, no, I want to say it's sexy. You get, like, he's like Antonio Banderas. Yeah. Swarthy. Yeah. You're in good hands.

Like, if you got rescued by that guy. If you were in some peril and then that guy swung down on a rope. I'd love it. We should really find out. And you, like, did a calm sea voyage with him back to your home. We will find out. We'll spend a year researching it. And the first thing next year is we will find out that gentleman's name.

Who did the Spanish ghost? And that's how we'll lead off next year's episode with. Yeah. We should just open it with just saying it before we say anything else. Okay. I'll set a murminder to myself to do that. Yeah. In a year.

Sure. We're at John Collins, John Collins. I don't think it's John Collins. Probably not. John Collins. Let's just that. John Collins.

Um, so, so we'll kick it off with a band. We'll find out his name and we'll shout it. So tune in next year. And until then you survived haunt cast, the fright haunted mansion to guys. We got there. And until then, you survived Hauntcast the Fright Haunted Mansion 2. Guys, we got there.

I'm so happy to be on the ride. Wow. We did it. I didn't think we'd do it. Just with a little bit of discipline and love, we made it there. Love, Scott. And now we just love. Love, Scott.

I'm very excited to go on this ride with you in 2020. How many rooms per episode i wonder yeah i don't know uh recapping the foyer stretching room in portrait hall will take 30 minutes things we missed and how grim we for sure grim yeah how grim will the uh the 2020 election be we will be in the thick oh my god you're right like 10 times worse election cycle yeah so we're gonna need that to cheer us up because it's gonna be it's gonna be bad yeah so a little message to us then, hang in there. Unless Trump just like died like you died in Jason's scenario, if he just like fell and hit his head because the dog was under him. Yeah.

That could happen too. You never know. Anything's possible. And then he'll have a fun tombstone. Well, hang in there, future Mike Scott and Jason. Hey, next week, one more installment of Haunt Chaos, the Fright, the Cemetery Gate. Yeah, so if you go behind the Cemetery Gate on the Patreon. Yeah, there's a little bit more.

And as we said, it's Haunted Mansion related. Or no, the week of the 28th. One day the week of the 28th. I think on Halloween right Probably oh yeah probably I think that falls on a Wednesday So there's a little bit more left And that's at patreon.com

Slash podcast right with those three bonus episodes every month But for regular us main Feed us we're heading to Chicago Fillings yeah see us tomorrow Oh my guess some people are going to hear this See us tomorrow If you're listening Saturday morning and it just came out Come on heading to Chicago, fillings. Yeah, see us tomorrow. Oh, my guess. Some people are going to hear this and see us tomorrow. If you're listening Saturday morning and it just came out, come on out to Chicago. Homecoming for our big boy.

That's right. That's where I'm from. Our large son. Our large son. Yeah, well, we're looking forward to it. We'll see you there. And happy hauntings, everybody. Let's go on this ride next year.

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