Podcast: The Ride - The Haunted Mansion Part 3

Episode Date: October 30, 2020

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FOREVER! DOG! into our talks, not if we sidetrack on the history of clocks. It's a series with rules that makes Scott want to scream. Let's get into part three by playing the theme. Fabio Rodriguez Fabio Rodriguez Why did that happen you ask? Because if you were listening last year to Haunted Mansion 2 We said that we were going to open up next year By shouting the name of the

Spanish voice of the ghost host who says Manos and Brazos so cool. And now we are off and running with energy, with the energy of Fabio Rodriguez. Welcome to Hauntcast the Fright, the Scream Park podcast hosted by three headless men in their ghoulies. am rick zombieberg joined by general tragg of dimension x and jack o'lantern skeleton the only name that made it through the whole thing and you got it wrong i got it wrong i got it wrong uh jack o'lantern yeah you didn't i thought you became dr murder hog at some point thought, was that for Second Gate only? You know, we all got a lot of... Were we making them only...

The names were different for the tiers? You know, there's lots of... Maybe next year... Illusion, tricks and treats this time of year. We'll make that a distinction next year, that behind the paywall we have other fun Halloween names than we do on the free feed. Oh, and what a...

I mean, if that doesn't get people over there to our Patreon, the Cemetery Gate, that you get exclusive scary names that might have no longer anything to do with our regular names. Yes, that's very exciting for a potential subscriber. So yeah, stay tuned for that next year. That is extremely alluring. And it's nice that we can already be talking about next year because that's what this whole franchise is about. The Haunted Mansion franchise, which we hit once a year, every Halloween. I love that we gave ourselves a plan, like Doc Brown sending a note to Marty in the future or leaving leaving the delorean buried underground uh we we set

ourselves up for success i actually have a little more about fabio rodriguez oh yeah yeah this guy is great um he was so he there's an interview with him where he's telling a the story of how he became the spanish voice of the ghost host. He was recording an industrial narration somewhere in Orange County. And there was somebody also recording in the same building who was doing stuff for Disney, who I think ran a bunch of the records. And he heard Fabio and he said, you sounded great. Have you ever thought about doing this for Disney? It was apparently his lifelong dream. He truly very much wanted to do this for disney uh and so he read sample copy right there on the spot and it's great we'll send it to disney and then a little while later he got

a call from that guy who said not only does disney want to hire you they're just going to use what you already did you nailed it you don't even have to do it again yeah so yeah he just like passed the audition with flying colors and he's like the official spanish voice of disneyland yeah and of everything of everything yeah and the guy who heard him and said come here and do this was bill rogers who is the english language announcer voice in disneyland uh he does the Main Street announcements. And Bill Rogers is married to Camille Dixon, who does the announcements for California

Adventure. It's a husband and wife, and the husband does one part, and the wife does the other. Yeah. Isn't that charming? Delightful. Just like how the voices of Mickey and Minnie were married for many years. Another one of those. That's so nice.

This should be a precedent. If they're connecting or husband and wife on screen, they should be married in real life. That's what I think when you're talking about animated voices. I think for, you know, if it's, let's say, Seth MacFarlane should be married to, and I'm forgetting her

name, who does lois on family guy alex borstein alex borstein should be married to seth mcfarland that's what i'm saying yeah dan castellana and julie kavner right mary should be but you're just about you're just about purity you're about people should not be uh fake out of wedlock well even in character yeah there is a chapter in the bible that i adhere to pretty strictly that says thou thou shalt not uh mimic a wedded relationship on screen yeah those famous chapters of the bible for sure that foresaw filmed media yeah and knew this would be a problem at some point it's i will say yes the religion i believe in is a very very small uh group of

people it's uh we've revised the bible many many times and most of it has to do with rules about entertainment and theme parks yeah maybe some volleyball maybe get some volleyball in there sure yeah we uh there's a lot of different rules so yeah whatever the specific religion i subscribe to yeah is different hey and that's a limit by bodiness oh yeah oh yeah yeah bodiness the word bodiness appears on every page multiple times um hey and the volleyball reference that's a good to pin it to 2020 you know we do like to it's fun to look back i looked back at the previous episodes what were some things we were talking about in the past 2019 president john delaney remember that loser remember that asshole no yeah yeah i don't i don't remember what side he was on. Was he a Democrat? He was a bald, rich guy who ran for the DNC

and just sucked and got smoked really early in the race. In 2018, we were talking about Michael Avenatti, the Stormy Daniels loser who everyone's like, maybe this guy will run for president. What a time. Mike last year was talking about, in chapter two, Mike was talking about Pluto's disease-filled tongue. Unfortunately, the tongue was patient zero,

and look what's happened. Pluto did it? He licked everybody? Wow, I didn't even think about that. You're right, That is what happened. The end of the last year's episode is very, very frightening. You know, some other stuff that's come up in the past, just as a refresher. I certainly got my wish that the Haunted Mansion holiday was much shorter this year. Unfortunately, the monkey's paw curled once again and it was uh

non-existent and uh we may have opened a can of worms when we uh joked about uh trump maniacs complaining about sharia law and asking the question how grim will the 2020 election cycle be i heard i i went back last night and listened to that last four minutes. And it was, I'm trying to think of an equivalent on like television where like there was some like some Breaking Bad finale where you were like, maybe you go back and watch a show and you're like, oh my God, Jesse has no idea what's about to happen, what Walt is going to make him do. It's like that level of, oh my God, these three idiots have no clue what's coming for them there is it like well like i mean it cuts off i think with hank getting shot at i guess he might know where it's come is this the end is this uh

the what leads to ozymandias uh yes okay yes the last one was hank and gomi in the desert getting gunned down by nazis uh and now this is ozymandias we're we are in the end game at this point has been yeah a full year that has felt like that certainly and we were jacked too because we were like out days away from getting on planes to go to Chicago and then Orlando and so we were very lively seeing listeners opening up a dimension of this podcast that was so much

fun like boy we gotta get back at all these places and do it again soon well whoops yeah pretty chilling I thought though even more egregious than us like a bit i mean when we said i wonder what that election's gonna be like like boy we didn't we didn't know half of the half of it um but the the one that i thought i actually have a quick clip i'm gonna play and i

just thought this was like really brazen um and i i regret it so here here, let me just play this. Sure. Yeah, so I do feel like a lot of pessimism about 2020, but also I just don't understand why because there's so much fun stuff coming. I mean, we got the Olympics in Tokyo. That's going to be a blast. Lana Del Rey is going to bring down the house at Coachella and we're all going to be talking about it. I mean, I just don't...

People are acting as if the fundamental aspects of our society will be completely upended and we have to refigure out how we do life. And I just, I don't get it. Yeah. You know, you have real egg on your face now from that clip from last year that you just played. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was, I mean, what can I say? I take it back. And actually, there were ways, because I kept adding to it. And just this one, this one really, I think I have it on my face. As sure as I am in the same room as you guys right now, staring you in the eyes, us together, I will look you in the eyes and say 2020 is going to be the best year of our lives

and in theme park history. And you can quote me on that. You can use that against me. You can quote me on that. I mean, that clip. That clip is really... That's a rough clip today. I feel very embarrassed for you, quite honestly.

I feel like Lindsey Graham. Now, i will take responsibility i will apologize for what i think look i don't like to brag on this show a lot unless it's about how brave i am in certain situations but can i quickly play a clip that i'd like to play from last year real just i think this is something that no one saw coming uh but i sort of remember it i had sort of 2020 vision when it comes to this. All right. I'll play the clip right now. 320 vision. Yeah.

Very good. All right. Here's the clip. Hey, uh, guys, remember the name Tony Bobulinski. That's all I'll say. Uh, was that like an Imagineer who worked on the attraction and we'll talk about him when we get to the, the Leota room? We'll, we'll be as excited about him as we are about any imagineer

tony bobblin okay all right well i don't know which books you're you're reading a book i guess besides the haunted mansion imagineering at disney classic by jason sorrell i'm not sure where you're getting this from mike let's just say i'm reading it off a very special laptop. Dude. Oh my God. That clip. Wow. Bonkers.

Can you believe that? I knew, I knew, I knew back then. And I was just blowing you off. Like what is my, what Mike is becoming off his rocker. This is some conspiracy theory.

I'm going to, so I'm going to add in an edit here and I'll play the song Vindicated by Dashboard Confessional to celebrate the victory I just had. We all know that song of course Oh yeah from the Spider-Man right? Spider-Man 2? I believe so yeah

Well no one feels as stupid as I as I do after like this clip I pulled from me Can I play this real quick? Yeah sure go ahead The screen share as I do after this clip I pulled from me. Can I play this real quick? Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Go ahead, yeah. The screen share.

I know I, for one, cannot wait to see the live-action Mulan in a crowded, sold-out theater opening night and see my two best friends on screen rendered in beautiful high-definition footage, Mushu the Dragon and whatever that cricket's name is. Oh, man, Jason. So that was wrong for a couple of reasons, and also I still don't know the name of the cricket,

but I guess they just swapped them out for prison camps in the background. They got rid of those fun loving characters and you know well boy only i look smart now yeah yeah yeah the two of us are just absolute fools um well especially i here i got one more quick one and like i think oh yeah go ahead please please oh and by the way let's cut this from the episode, but I should tell you guys, I'm having a baby. I'm having a baby next year, and I'm just here. I'm just going to take a stab at it. Girl.

It's a girl. I just got a feeling. I got a hunch. God, I mean, wow. Yeah, why did you? I don't like to be mean, but what a dumbass, Scott, you were. I mean, I feel like I've grown as a person, so I don't take that as an insult of 2020 me. I take it as an insult of 2019 me. Yeah, all bad to it was a fucking bumbling dumbass.

Yeah, wow. Look, I'm not even going to brag. I'm not even going to play the thing where I predicted McCartney was going to release McCartney 3, the final album in a trilogy he started in 1970. I won't play that clip. You were just up. You were winning that whole... You were just on a streak, I suppose. Well, I mean, anything we want to throw out through the episode and just kind of plant a flag in 2021 sure and i think i now i know how i felt last year and what ended up happening but i think i'm just

going to keep making as optimistic guesses as humanly possible yeah and uh that shouldn't i don't know this year's different i don't think it'll bite me in the ass no i don't think so either no i think that's fine. Yeah. Well, as for this, I mean, because we should get to it, because there's, as always, there's a lot of work to do. Now, the one thing that we remember is that we got on the ride. Despite me being fought on this, we did get on the ride. The lap bar lowered, so we are off. We are heading into the actual attraction

yes and uh i was surprised uh i i have a couple things okay i only have one thing that i was remiss that i i did not talk about last year the other thing i was like oh i think it was just wrapping up and we couldn't get into it which was we have not talked about the omni mover ride system we have to address that of course jason of course yeah so but first this is just a personal thing and because i wasn't going to drag us back through the queue and everything i wasn't going to be vindictive but i realized i didn't dictate i i wasn't gonna be like scott you're going you fool her for what you predicted uh but uh i realized i didn't really you know there was a run in the the second uh haunted mansion episode where you guys talked about being so scared of the the um uh maleficent i believe in the sing-along song videos oh the shiny face

with the crazy face paint right yeah and as i I was rewatching, like I watched Haunted Mansion ride through a couple of times, I remembered as a kid, and even now I'm not wild about it, but I never liked the busts that follow you. And as a kid, I always went to the Florida Haunted Mansion. And you go by them so quick in the Florida Haunted Mansion because they're in the ride itself. and those you go by them so quick in the florida haunted mansion because they're in the ride itself but in disneyland you could be stuck next to them and for a while in the like queue in the in right before you get into your doom buggy and uh it that's just like a a creepy effect but it's another

old optical illusion and that they are not actually busts. They are impressions. And it's just the way the mind and the eyes fill in the blanks and process light hitting these impressions in the wall that they appear to be following you. We talked about that though. I remember. Yeah, we did talk about that illusion. I know.

Maybe about your specific saying, you're just, you're just like how frightened that was your scariest thing having to, or at least this part of the mansion. We talked about Maleficent's face being the scariest, and you think this is maybe your scariest point up till now in the mansion. Yeah, just realizing that, like,

oh, I'm glad you couldn't stand next to these in the Florida version, because I would have been very, like, unnerved. What we should do is, going forward with these haunted mansions you know if we if we leave something out we should do a george lucas remaster new scenes and i'll take that chunk out and i'll edit it into last year and we'll post that up and destroy the original we won't be able to see the original no and then yeah um and and put in all kinds of like cool

kooky music too like if we ever played a clip of kind of a neat mellow song it should be replaced by like let's lay that let's lay like space gourd music I think that's right

and we can edit out our blunders or blunders. Or blunders. Just as Lucas could. Right. So if we have anything like that, we'll just announce it beforehand that this is going in the special edition for one of the last two year episodes. One of the last year's episodes.

You know what was crazy though is how we exactly predicted that Palpatine was Snoke and that he was growing many Snokes in test tubes and that one of the Snokes was upside down. I thought that was really oddly specific and we nailed it on the head.

Yeah. That was... We talked about Snoke so much that first year of Podcast of the Ride. It's not surprising to me that we were experts on him. We had all kinds of Snoke. Certainly. certainly yeah and i dropped that coffee mug at mike's and when it shattered at the bottom of the mug said exegol on it and i only realized as i was leaving the regal cinema at christmas time like oh oh it was there the whole time the whole time those phrases yes you had visions um um well um

is that is that all of the history to revisit can we move forward or we're on the omni mover what do you have to say about the owner yeah we're on the omni mover we're in the loading area you know we talked a lot about that you know the loading area is kind of vacant could use a little plus up there's some great claude coats like concept art that they could you know add to you know i think you could plus this up with a little bit of fog and some dead trees and gravestones that's a pretty you're showing us real concept art yeah yeah that looks amazing uh yeah that's very cool very cool We've talked about Another thing that I did over quarantine Is I broke and watched a Phantom Manor

Ride through I had not done it But yes that queue that loading area Is very cool and then the Disney World Loading area is I think better Than Disneyland It's not so much Better, but it is better. Yeah.

Well, this is one of those things, we've talked about how Tony Baxter says there's things he would go back and hit and revise. Right, yeah. There's actually one a little bit later in one of the rooms we'll talk about. But like, which I always like to hear. I like that he doesn't view it as perfect

and set in stone and you can't change it. And this is a good example, yeah. You walk in that room and it's sort of just blank. And it's a thing I really like in Haunted Mansion Holiday, which has apparently become the villain of the theme park world. Like, now it's like, now you can't like it, seemingly.

I do feel like its divisiveness grows by the day and of course now it has a very I mean, i'm sure he had this opinion a while but recently a viral video of ryan gosling where he detailed his problem with it yeah yeah well and trump jr was on fox news going on for like five straight minutes he was like getting out of breath and red in the face just going on about like you don't want when you go there you don't want to see oogie boogie you want to see the ghost and when you replace the ghost um it makes you as mad as

when a laptop isn't fully exposed yeah yeah you're seeing it more and more is what scott is trying to say uh so but to answer your question scott so the omnimover ride system. This was the second iteration. You know, it first appeared in the Interspace ride. Journey through Interspace. Adventures through Interspace. Voyage into Interspace. Bob Gurr. I think Scott is right.

Scott is right. I think it's Adventures. I think it's Adventures. Adventures through Interspace, yes. I watched some of the Midsummer Screen panel from last year for the 50th of the Haunted Mansion, and Bob Gurr calls it voyage to inner space um uh but yeah so so they had you know done a world's fair they had done world's fair attractions that had continuous ride systems and they fine-tuned that into the omni mover ride system for inner space another claude Coates overseen project.

And then they used it. They moved over to the Haunted Mansion. In earlier episodes, we discussed Haunted Mansion. There was discussions of would it be a walkthrough? Would it be a half walkthrough, half ride, or a walkthrough next to it? And eventually, they settled on the Omnimover system. What do you guys think about the Omnimover system?

Well, I like it. Obviously, you can feel that it's a little janky in its movements, but that is sort of the charm at this point. It's not like you think you're like, oh, I'm on something that's 100 years old, but

you can feel it's like wild, aggressive swings. The lap bar hits me in the legs a lot. I'm a taller man. Yeah. I don't know if it does that to anybody else. I kind of have to really squish my legs down to make sure I don't get a little bruise. It doesn't bruise me, but you know what I'm saying.

I think you got to give it up for the ride vehicles aesthetically, for the Doom Buggy specifically, because there's other Omnimovers the clamshells on Little Mermaid are a version of that and those look friendly and colorful but I like that just the unadorned plastic shells painted black do look so funereal

they do all look like bizarre coffins like either from the distant future or the distant past. Like this is some weird thing. They would have buried somebody in and near 900 or something. Yeah. They're amazing vehicles.

Yeah, it does really, I don't know how, I mean, it's, it's similar to the inner space. Well, I mean,

it looks, I think it's almost the exact same, right? Did the inner space one have a curl? It had a thing up on like the back. It's pretty similar yeah it's sort of just by luck probably has as wiscott's describing this odd shape i almost think of it like as some bizarre like contraption you would wheel around like an 100 year old man

in or something like you would be going through the mansion in this like bizarre contraption not like uh palpatine's exegol contraption, but like a, a bizarre wheelchair of some kind that you're sort of being wheeled through the mansion on. I don't know why that's my thought, but like they're the, the vehicles themselves have a lot of character for being so plain.

Yeah. Yeah. And the, and the darkness of them and the fact that you like the way that it covers up on all sides which as we've discussed not only enables uh awesome makeout experiences um if you're trying to escape parents or keeping an eye on you uh but also like that it you get an element of surprise like they your own car covers up details until you turn to face them uh your you this stuff that

you can't see because the one in front of you is so huge and blocking your vision i think it just like adds to element of surprise the whole time as you go yeah i mean i think one of the positives of it is an early innovation of treating the ride vehicle almost like um uh a filmmaker's like camera where you can like direct look at this like they're they're they can move uh what they want you to look at what's the primary thing you should be looking at and then if you're like looking around to the sides you get a different view um the trade-off being though that like this continuously moving system if there's an issue if they're like having an issue getting people on or getting people off it can speed up and slow down but then sometimes just has to stop if they have to stop

one it's kind of got to stop the whole thing it's um as a kid i'm trying to remember because that's like that's you know where you form your opinions about these things, honestly. I mean, I guess that's, as a kid, it definitely felt like you were in a box. It definitely felt, and I'm trying to think if there's any other vehicle that made me feel quite like there's a coziness to it that I feel like I especially felt as a kid, but still feel now.

It's like you're being taken care of by the ghost hug you're getting hugged by that vehicle the mansion is a really cozy ride in general yeah maybe the coziest it is cozy the idea that it's supposed to be scary yeah it's it's a comfy place to be uh gets you out of the heat the the temperature's nice yeah i totally agree yeah i mean obviously there's a lot of nice tranquil experiences but there is a coziness maybe just because you're in like a house that you're familiar with i i think like the the decoration the sort of like dark dark wood and there's the as you go through there's a lot of purples and like furniture i don't know it feels very warm there was a cozy story i heard like uh again the midsummer story i loved it it's a cozy story i think from bob gerr who was explaining how they were coming up with like the um omnimover

system and he started the story with john hench happened to have a candy apple on his desk. And he, I think the idea being, he picked it up by the stick and was like, wait, what if we put the, everything we need to control it underneath it? And then you can like tilt it as if you were like holding a candy apple and you could tilt the apple around,

you know, and that's the ride vehicle. Right. And you thought that was a cozy story because you like the idea of being at work and that's the ride vehicle right and you thought that was a cozy story because you like the idea of being at work and they're just being plentiful candy apples around i just like the idea of someone yes someone happening to have a candy apple on their desk and jason jason can you show us the table is there a table behind you is it full of candy apples there's not there's a couple of decorative gourds for the holiday.

We haven't talked. Are you a candy apple man? I cannot remember the last time I had a candy apple. I feel like every now and then when I go home to visit, if it's in the fall or around Christmas, my mom has picked up a package of them uh but i it's not one of my go-tos even at the parks and i think yeah yeah i think disney will cut them for you right if you buy one they'll slice it that's the only feasible way to eat it oh yeah they have these like monstrosity candy

apples i've never ever gotten one at the park it just seems like so much effort and i haven't had a candy apple in years i used to you'd get them once in a while from school they'd be in those like plastic packages and it would be full of nuts which wasn't my favorite at the time and then it would just like it was fun but then it's just like it was a fucking pain in the ass to eat oh yeah so that's why i'm saying like if you if you slice it and then like you can share the slices with someone then i think it's manageable scott what do you what is your candy apple stance um i don't think i've had one in like 20 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's my stance that's reasonable i guess implies i don't really

like them because you could pick up like a twinkie or a candy bar at a gas station you're not like popping in somewhere it's like oh i'll have a candy app oh yeah i'll get a candy apple is i gotta i'll be stuck in traffic for a while you know dipping uh an apple and caramel is much more practical i haven't done that in years i don't know jason on the table behind you is there a whole big jug of caramel by any chance um no no okay he's he's checking checking small jug of there's a fudge jug hot there's a hot jug caramel jug butterscotch jug oh there is he said caramel yeah there is caramel okay it's an ice cream you have whole ice ice cream topping so i have a yeah i check the jug wall yeah um uh okay so uh where are we now so the omni mover some other facts about them

bob i knew we weren't done bob garren wed designed manufactured by uh the now defunct arrow development a very early manufacturing partner for disney they of course worked on timber mountain log ride at knots and um this i don't i don't think i ever really processed but um for at disneyland there are 131 vehicles on that track they move at 1.4 miles per hour which is roughly 2500 guests an hour so i think that gets it up to the people people eater status you know that's a lot of people per hour getting through the ride and they run they run this thing too fast uh they there are different speeds and we've seen it because they adjust it sometimes all of a sudden you'll start to go slower i think that sometimes

if if maybe somebody is a wheelchair issue or they have to just they're just want to make sure you know stepping out onto the conveyor belt isn't going to be an issue they'll slow it down but i think that they are they've run this thing full speed a lot and maybe it's not full speed i'm full speed i would like to see full speed as if it's like a cartoon where you like go through the mansion in two minutes but the adams family rot like what it's not a cartoon where you go through the mansion in two minutes. The Addams Family ride. It's not a ride, but when you end up going through all those shoots in the Addams Family house. Yes, exactly. But my complaint is I think they should run it a little slower because sometimes I feel like you're whipping through that thing.

Yeah, I would agree with that. And I'd like to hang out a little more. This has never occurred to me. Really? I've never thought about the speed being too fast too fast they can go slower they can go slow it down it is reliable people are saying it more and more people are saying it more and more um yeah uh so anyway sorry jason go oh ger ger is on bob ger is on record as going like he felt bad because there's so many

like different sized gears and wheels as part of the track and he felt bad about you know leaving the next generation with such a complicated system to maintain but it seems like the the attitude of the you know maintenance staff was like hey works, so it runs every day, you know, for the most part. It doesn't go down a lot like the more complicated modern-day ride systems. Right. It's all reliable when it comes to this and

boats. Just very reliable as far as Disney rides are concerned. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Anything else about the Omnimover? Like, speaker placement? Seems fine.

I like it. Let's get in the room. Let's get in the room. I think that's everything I have. I know, Scott is like a kid. Endless hallway. Let's go. Well, one more credit. Fabio Rodriguez, we didn't give him enough credit.

You can also hear him do the Spanish language safety spiel on pirates, formerly the DCA, Tower of Terror. And he also appears in the Mexico Pavilion at Epcot. And he said his kids love hearing him in the parks, and their friends always send videos of like, hey, here's your dad. And that's really sweet. And he said that he i found an interview with him where he said he like watched the the firework show and said where and heard a voice

booming through the park saying ladies and gentlemen and how he dreamed of one day that would be me saying dama si caballeros nino si ninas and it came true yes i love what a very specific and like amazing dream that is that in the most wonderful place that your voice is audible everywhere it's great and also he mentioned somebody said his voice is uh he is a lot like ricardo montalban and i mentioned in the last episode how sexy that voice is especially on the mansion and of course who is sexier than ricardo montalban no one that kind of that added up to me that that like created some some little dna connection like oh no wonder i like that voice so much it very much is multiple yeah um so yeah he's he rules amazing i'm glad we i'm glad we made such a point of him at the end last year yeah he's really good um okay scott you get your take it away

endless hallway wait wait no wait jason i have a couple more candy apple questions oh okay oh i know i never mind i actually i i solved it in my head scott go ahead little circle back around we haven't even addressed that i'm wearing a skeleton onesie this whole time so don't worry about it we won't it'll come up later what are you actually yeah yeah yeah like you want we got skeleton onesie it's fun it's seasonal yeah well i'd say go walk around and let us see it but you're you're hooked in yeah i'm all hooked up so well give us a turn when this is all over yeah yeah give us a little give us a little runway show um oh my god we're in the right we're actually in a room uh we're in the endless hallway where the the uh the candelabra is floating down at the end of it um i like all the how they pulled this off um because

you really do think that just goes and goes and goes but of course they wouldn't have room for it we're like once again back in a not i guess not a not a pepper's ghost here but we're in the same territory as tower of terror where it's a it's a shorter hallway than you think it's made to look longer than it is and the and scrims are involved um wait so now i'm redoing it's still so confusing to me even in the notes the like the mirror at the end of the hallway is really close it's way closer than you think um and then they've painted the candelabra black on the back yes because it's really close to the mirror so that you like you won't be able to see that and that and the candelabra also helps block the view of you and they like i feel like i'm getting away

from myself here like can anyone explain this better than me i think you're doing a pretty good job but i'm still confused but i like it's funny because it's very it's very complicated but also feels like we may have the ability to make it from stuff around the apartment yes yes yeah it is like it's interesting about it it is a trick like theatrical designers and like magicians have probably used for like over a hundred years or something like that it's just like, it's very thin black wires holding up the candle. Like you said, the back of the candelabra

is painted black. The mirror, that way, like, you don't pick up the, you know, the back of the stuff in the mirror.

And then, the scrim helps cut down on, like, crispness of, like, what you're looking at.

So, it makes it a little hazy and it also, like, Itness of, like, what you're looking at. So it makes it a little hazy, and it also, like... It makes it harder to see us. Yes. You don't see yourself, even though that is a mirror right in front of you. Yeah, and it uses forced perspective. Like, yeah, that hallway is not very long past, like, what you're looking at. Yeah. Yeah. long past like what you're looking at yeah yeah do we know feet wise because in my mind it's uh

25 the candelabra is 25 feet away is it like seven feet away that sounds right maybe it's something like that yeah i think it's a little because as i'm sure we'll hit in this area, like every now and then a guy hangs out around it. So it's gotta be big enough for a guy to be around. Yeah, maybe it is closer to 25. 10 to 12 feet. I think maybe like 10 feet, 25 might be too far, 10 might be too close. Right.

I, again, don't want to, you know, we obviously will cover uh you know nightmare or high mission holiday in in some other juncture whenever i i swear now every time i go on it and i think all right let me go let me get into the head of someone who wouldn't like this so let me judge this with a critical eye do i not like this attraction or have i been overrating it or something and when i see the dog when i see zero flood zero right floating in that hallway instead of the candle i really like it that's the first thing that always makes me go and the well and the doors downstairs as you're boarding i like a lot yeah and then i see that dog like this that's great it's fun i don't uh if i'm the villain of the podcast for

smiling about this fun ride then i don't know how to get out of the the villainy spot um i don't think you've ever been fought on and i think all i've ever said was i think i i agree sure would be better but i like it fine i like it it's fun like it's i guess i don't disagree with that argument i think it's just i i as we guess i don't disagree with that argument i think it's just i as we we come back to the boring functional argument which is how do you have it open for like does it just have to be closed for all of november then right i guess to change it right exactly i suppose which is a bummer in and of itself yeah i but you know last year's episode where we was before recording before we went down to Florida.

And I will say that experience of being in the Florida park. And we did not hit the Magic Kingdom, I believe, until our last full day we were there. But it was a pleasure to ride a traditional version of the Haunted Mansion in Halloween time. Because it was late, late october sure yeah like it was it was just i don't know it was the kind of fun i love the whimsical side of like the spooky side of halloween you know sure i get that argument i this is the problem also here's the thing i i do think at my heart i am a theme park populist okay i don't want to throw that word around in any other way necessarily but a populist as far as theme park is our concern uh you like guardians and stuff you're not a like don't ever change

anything ever right exactly but uh my point about this is it is by far haunted mansion holiday three times four times as popular as regular haunted mansion i understand it's still only there for a limited time but it's there from like now it's what early september or mid-september to december it's like they are it's i get it it's less time but it's so popular it adds like it doubles the time it triples the time of the the queue so like what is the incentive for them to do it right there's no being mad people are mad about everything people are mad if they like you know like take a red flag and make it a green flag right people people

love it and i would imagine the prevailing opinion and it of of maybe maybe they don't listen to podcasts but the prevailing opinion is like we like this a lot and we get excited to go on it around halloween and christmas so i have to be a populist here and say sometimes you got to give the people what they want you got to serve demand uh at at a certain point they're leaving money on the table if they don't serve that demand for it i mean the other thing is they would have to, like, let's say they did keep the original Haunted Mansion around through October 31st,

like, at midnight or whenever the park shuts down, they would have to immediately get in there and flip it in two weeks, because November 15th, I think, used to be the start of the holidays. It seems like Christmas starts earlier and earlier every year at both the parks because November 15th, I think used to be the start of the holidays. It seems like Christmas starts earlier and earlier every year at both the parks and like in popular culture

in just TV and, you know, stores. But that's a pretty tight window for them to try and flip it. So I just, it's not going to probably happen. And I think if it's the majority opinion, what are we going to do? And plus, you get that nice gingerbread smell that I love so much. Well, that's true. You can't argue with that.

I'm with you there. It got kind of thrown away a little bit in the fake smell of Final Four, but it is an excellent smell. I believe I was voted against by both of you. I think that is true, but in those tournaments, you know, it's brother against brother.

It's, you know, you murder those that you love. Of course. That's why they're so harrowing. It's the nature of those. Yeah, dude. So then you keep moving on to the now we, I didn't, I don't think I knew names before. The Conservatory. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on.

No. Stop. This is way these episodes go three items there's three you this is a very so moving on to no never go the endless hallway this is a this is the very first scene of the ride and there's like three big like props like three big set pieces because there's also the suit of armor in here. In Disneyland, the suit of armor is here. It's a very simple animatronic. It moves a little. It gives the illusion of like, oh, is that moving?

But this seems like a good time to discuss what is colloquially called the night of the living dead oh is that k n but it wasn't they hey it wasn't in that room it was in a further farther right so we have to keep going to get to it okay well ha your rules are played against you now no you're wrong the night has appeared in multiple different places but we can wait we can wait to discuss that he is wait okay is that to wait so there has the knight has been in more than it has not always just it wasn't in that one room uh well the animatronic knight was always there the live actor in a night of a suit of armor uh depending on what year it was what time period moved around wow so you have a timeline of where the human actor in the night costume was i have a rough layout uh wow i have

actually never been able to find this but we can wait a little we can we can all right let's wait a little bit let's go to the oh yeah continue sorry. So the third item, you got to talk about the chair. We've already heard no more in an episode. You got to talk about the big chair, the big armchair with the face on it. We can't just go past the chair. I mean, this is why this ride gets talked about by us every year, because the opening scene has three, there's more stuff in the opening scene than in some rides, period. Is this your favorite chair in a ride i think it's up there because i this chair was like burned into my mind at a very

young age it's got a spooky face on it it's a rolly crump you know it's definitely a rolly crump uh creation it's it's a holdover kind of vibe from Museum of the Weird, which was one of the early iterations of the Haunted Mansion or an early accompaniment of the Haunted Mansion. And this is like the start of a motif that appears throughout the ride of eyes, often spirally kind of eyes, to give the impression that you are being watched at all times that the house is watching you right and it appears i assume you'll say like a wallpaper etc etc yes yeah well yeah let's move the wallpaper oh my god we might not get that was a pretty flippant way to deal with the wallpaper mike sorry sorry so sorry 15 minutes to go on it we got a t i have a question how long does anyone where does anyone think we're gonna get i have a prop bet on where I think we'll get to, and I'm not going to tell you,

but I will write it down right now. Can I say something about how this is, how the three years have gone for me? I had notes about the Leota room in 2018. It works out for me i had notes about the leota room in 2018 i've been it works out for me because i don't have to look up anything new i took care of it all years ago this was i will say this is your this um concept of doing this yearly was scott garner's idea it is yeah i dug my grave and now i i think i i think i like i like the now I think I like the idea. I continue to like the idea.

But I feel like, I don't know how we got into the trap of now how the episodes work, is that we room by room it, and as we try to progress, then everyone screams no at me. I don't know. That part of it, I did not anticipate. This is sort of a part of the podcast though i think that probably started in the city walk saga so i feel like that started off this this sort of the tedium traps yeah yes and then i think when you you probably had a little bit of a different vision for this but this resembles a city walk saga in and of itself. So the default was tedium traps,

as you called them, which believe me, the whole podcast is probably a good argument to be made. The whole thing is a tedium trap. Well, one might even go so far as to say that Mike and I are wall to wall creeps and it's giving Scott hot and cold running chills. All right. Mike, just make a a note put in a grand slam uh baseball being hit out of the park sound effect there thank you so much that'll be

but that's in the special i'll put that in the special edition of it yeah that'll go back yeah special edition of podcast which is just gaslighting the audience making them think they wait no i remember there was something different at this moment god that's such a good idea to go back and add in little things here and there and just like never tell anybody and make ghosts haunting the old episode make people think they're going nuts if they ever re-listen to something like just like if you put something in just the home video release of a movie that wasn't in the theatrical but i think yeah bold bold predictions predictions that couldn't possibly be predicted years prior would be really great.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a good one. Well, all right. So start going back. There's hidden things now in three of our old episodes. And if you find them, you get a prize. You'll know what they are when you hear them.

This also are really going to help our listener count. Oh, yeah. You got to go back into the archives yeah yeah and especially the ones on the patreon patreon.com slash podcast yeah anyway help me unload some of the uh club 33 uh towels that i still have or you gave away the prize huh towels no you gave away the prize it's towels the real prize is how many do i have i don't know i'm not sure i do 990 yeah so that is why you were you look like violet beauregard coming out of the club 33 bathroom after the blueberry situation yeah just doing a lot just stuff okay hand towels about it falling out of your shirt um there's not a lot about the chair i mean i i think uh you know uh it's it's just

it's creepy i like the chair detail for real that it sets the eye the eyes precedent i like the eyes precedent here yeah yeah i do too that that motif i'm not sure that it ever the eye the eyes precedent i like the eyes precedent here yeah yeah i do too that that motif i'm not sure that it ever really occurred to me about the wallpaper and everything that you're being watched certainly the bus and and such um but i i do like like reading about like all day you you get the feeling even if you aren't like super aware of it as you're on the ride like you have this uneasy feeling and when you read about all these details you start to understand why yeah and for me who thinks the ride is cozy i'm being watched and i love it you're being watched by disney security too and i love it yeah and and

which cuts out riffraff like teenage makeouts and marijuana abuse. I should tell a story I've heard secondhand that apparently people have been caught doing more than just making out, let's say. Threesomes? Yes, two humans and a ghost. Two humans and a ghost. And he'll follow you home because he's a clinger. The ultimate Halloween threesome.

Yeah. Overall, I like The Haunted, The Endless Hallway, and it's pretty subtle for rides. I think it's very subtle. It definitely is a good tease for what you're about to experience and i feel like it it kind of epitomizes a thing about like the haunted mansion being so dense and so detail-filled of like well there's like three big things right in this first scene and and some rides you know don't even have that some rides have a lot of black hallways some rides, you know, don't even have that. Some rides have a lot of black hallways. Some rides take place entirely at night, pitch black of night, like Dinosaur, you know? Yes.

The Dinosaur does not have its chair moment. No. There's no cool chair. Smiling chair in Dinosaur. Yeah. Very, that, whoa, do we even have enough time for another room? What else about the chair? How long are the armrests?

What's the height and the width? What do you think the napping situation in that chair be? Do you think that's a long nap or maybe just a 15-minute nod off? I think that's a quick one because that is like a high-backed armchair made more for reading. So your back, you're not going to get a lot of give, like leaning back in that sort of chair. Got it. You know, you're going to be a little stiff.

What type of books would you read in the chair? Oh, ghost stories, I would think. Haunting of Hill House, Mask of the Red Death. Okay. You know, spooky stuff, Turn of the Screw. Would you read one of your crime novels? Oh, yeah, absolutely. spooky stuff turn of the screw would you read one of your uh crime novels oh yeah absolutely yeah you could read like a lou archer book or a john john d mcdonald you know one of my one of

my favorite things is when we went to that bachelor party in las vegas uh we got there we're four of us we got like a pitcher of margaritas you said i'm not going in the pool i'm gonna read a crime novel by the pool you found out how much the pitcher was you said well that's the last one of these i'm having and then you just read your book the whole time while we drank in the pool yeah so so great thrilling to be in just blinks like why are you telling this there's nothing unusual about anything you're saying it's like yeah we're in Vegas. Yes, a pitcher of margaritas is more expensive. You are also giving me shit because I was wearing, like, an old beat-up, like, beach,

like, fish house t-shirt. So. Fish house? Yeah, you know, like a clam bar. Oh, okay. Fish house, you know. I don't know what a clam bar is either. It is a place down the shore.

A fish house, like a clam bar. It's just where you get fried fish. You get clams on the half shell and raw bar. Yeah, a restaurant. Yeah, seafood out. I guess there is a little bit of, now I'm thinking about it, even the place, there's that place over on Los Feliz that has clams and stuff, and they have a little bit of a bar situation.

It kind of looks almost like a sushi, like sushi where they make it in front of you. Am I wrong? Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, they make it in front of you. Am I wrong? Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. They're cracking. Yeah.

You are wrong. Yeah. Kind of just becomes a catch-all at a certain point. Well, you're from... Is it kind of like that place, the conservatory in the Haunted Mansion? Yes. We can move on to the conservatory. All right.

All right. Scott, what do you got about it? There's a guy. He's trying to get out of a... There's a guy trying to get out of a coffin, and the voice of his efforts trying to push out of it is Exitensio, who is also the voice of the skull that you see before you go down the drop in Pirates. And he was a nice man who my mom knew his daughter, went to school with his daughter, and I got to meet him in a church parking lot. And I think I just found that he did a sketch of Mickey and signed it to me. Wow, really?

Whoa. Yeah, did I not say that before? Yeah, one time. And I was already so Disney obsessed by like eight or nine years old. And my mom like, okay, now we're going to go speak to, she called him Mr. X. I don't know. I'm going to go speak to Mr. X. Mr. X, cool. uh she call him mr x i don't go speak to mr x or x cool um yeah but i always i was like i was so

blown away by that that he was like yeah like you know my mom like met this guy like was it like around him as a kid and he is the skull and this uh yeah i don't think i knew he was the guy trying to get out of the coffin um and he's the wait he's he's the lyrics of the song correct lyrics of the song and script of the ride he was the smoother who like combined the claude coates visions and the mark davis visions and kind of made them more copacetic the dark and the light yes yeah right which we explored the die in 2018 i had to remember like who the names were um and we're still kind of in the dark here at the beginning, the Claude Coates world. I'm realizing now that Mark and Claude were part of a dyad.

A dyad in the mansion forts. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. You predicted dyads, I believe, too. I absolutely predicted dyads. You kept saying. I didn't, and you two did, because you were a dyad in predicting dyads, I believe, too. I absolutely predicted dyads. You kept saying. I didn't, and you two did, because you were a dyad in predicting dyads.

Because I was predicting, I called Yale, Gracie, and Ken Anderson a dyad. And Mike was like, well, and they paved the way for the dyad of, you know, Coates and Davis, of course. Right, right, right. I remember the dyad of dyads in the history of the of course uh i have a question from a narrative point of view about the conservatory shoot okay so this got this is not a ghost yet this is a zombie trying to get out of this casket or a fully alive person or a fully alive we don't know right yeah well i think it's ghoul right

but we don't have many ghouls in this ride it's almost exclusively ghosts you're forgetting the graveyard seek with the i believe i saw them listed as pop-up ghouls or maybe they're oh oh wait a minute okay so maybe the ones that actually shoot up on the spring that do a look a little more solid are ghouls and not ghosts do you know i'm saying scott yeah you're saying that okay a ghost is uh translucent exactly and a ghoul is uh still somewhat flesh so a ghoul is a zombie like character so there are a couple ghouls in this ride that's interesting i never actually thought about in the mansion and jason i'm so sorry we're talking about the graveyard real quick uh i don't i never thought about uh i never thought about those things because those things

are that on the weird like spring they really shoot up like behind the graveyard those things do look more solid than the projections like bluish projections of the ghosts okay that's interesting well madame leola refers to goblins and ghoulies right um so those are around now a goblin i'm not sure what in the ride you would say is a goblin yeah is there a goblin does a goblin have to look a certain way i have a certain idea in my head what a goblin looks like but could a goblin be a different take a different form um i don't know well you can take a form that's green i mean all right most famous goblin that i know the stanchions are kind of goblin like yeah but they're not alive bats they're not alive i don know. I think it gets complicated. I think ghosts and ghouls, I think the line is very fine

because the hatbox ghost looks kind of corporeal. Like he's kind of solid. But he's a ghost and his head moves and it disappears. He's for sure a ghost. It isn't in the name. Yeah. I think that one of my plus-ups

is add some goblins you know is it possible that what if all of the eyes in the wallpaper are goblin eyes maybe that's what she's talking about it's possible but those eyes don't really move in the wallpaper so that's just a drawing of a goblin if it is a goblin okay yeah unless they're uh frozen they're they're stuck in place right there's possible the wallpaper is frozen goblins yeah um i had a question feel free to we can back up but on the topic of those of the eyes on the wallpaper, do those, because we were discussing,

are those alive or not? Are, do those count in the count of 999 happy haunts? Are all of those sets of eyes a haunt? Yes. Because I read an anecdote that cast, and people go like, where are all the 99,

how are there 999 goats? And the people have said, like, well, you got to count the ones in the wallpaper so that come up so then they could be goblins if that's actually a part of the canon that those are happy haunts yeah i mean it depends on your are the ghoulies happy haunts or only the ghosts happy haunts? Because ghosts haunt. Ghoulies don't necessarily haunt. They might terrorize. They lurk.

I feel like there are lurkers. Right, and they eat. They eat people sometimes if they're a zombie. Yeah. So I'm confused still. I mean. I don't think I know who's who. We need to take a quiz like what Harry Potter house you're in.

We need to discover the difference between creepies and ghoulies. Yeah, and put a Dobby-like character on Haunted Mansion. Dobby from Harry Potter who's like Goblin. He's a Goblin, am I wrong? No, he's a house elf. He's a house elf. Okay, I'd like to formally apologize to dobby he's some sort of unfortunate racial caricature yeah jesus likely like i said that i was like oh my god is that

the name is that the real description it does sound like old-timey racist it does sound like something yeah i looked it up grandma you can't jesus christ it's on the wikipedia yeah all right well new reason to ignore all right let's move on sure anyway on the uh all right scott's right next room so the fella the fella in the coffin uh that as we said we were talking about existentio uh apparently one of those hands i believe they've replaced the hands over the years one of those hands how much do you think it's sold for at auction an old one of these hands 100 100 oh no 75 000 scott 24 000 i'll just go low for some reason oh not low enough 1300 pretty reasonable 1300 yeah. Pretty reasonable. $1,300. Oh. Wow.

We're suckers. We would have paid way more, I guess. Yeah, I was opening up my money bin right now to fork it over if they would have... Your bin? I have a tiny money bin like Scrooge. All cash. Small, though. Interesting.

This is a casket, by the the way it's not a coffin i looked that up i was like wait are camping caskets and coffins the same and are they synonym but like no coffin is the one tapered on the side right like dracula's and yeah this one doesn't have a hinge uh i the i think he's just kind of bursting out of it i think he's just pushing it open it's possible it does have a hinge on the other side and he's burst through it uh it seems like seems to imply that he died a while ago because he's surrounded by dead floral arrangements and this is also the first appearance of a character from the Haunted Mansion, the raven that reoccurs throughout the ride.

And it is the same raven. I believe it is meant to be the same raven seen here. I don't know if this is coming up right. Can you see this picture? Yes. The raven is sort of here. And I don't know if i just like after hours of reading about the haunted mansion was reading into stuff but to me it looks like there's

spiral eyes underneath the raven on the stand that's holding up flowers and it's very subtle and likely hard to see but if you watch a 4 ride through, you can see there's another set of spiral eyes hidden in this scene. Some more rolly eyes. More rolly eyes. Huh. Is that a haunt? Those eyes a haunt?

Does that count as one of the haunts? Happy haunts? Good question. I don't know. Well, someone bother Bill Gurr about that. Bob Gurr. About that. Borrowed damage.

My father's brother, Bill. Well, he got the name of one of the ride wrong, and then I got his name wrong. Now we're even. You punished him. Bob. Punished him for incorrect information. They did write dialogue for this bird,

and they opted to keep it just cawing or silent in most of the scenes. do we have the dialogue that they had well i have the dialogue it did it is used dialogue is used in the souvenir story and song of the haunted mansion album the raven says you've disturbed a guest call you'll be sorry for that call call so that's a threat well uh i feel like that's i feel like it's too early to have that threat in the ride so i think it's a good call i think that's the right answer you still want to kind of have a spooky atmosphere with no no one saying anything to you yet no one's not talking yeah we kind of lose the ghost toast for a while too right yeah this is like all atmosphere except for guy saying let me out yes that's yeah but he's not directing he's not talking to you well he's he's hoping you hear but he's not directly

addressing you yeah yeah just the general hundreds of people who would like to help him but the lap bar has been lowered stop making out and help me this is impure you are not married show me your wedding rings and I'll let you continue reelect Richard Nixon my friend well that's most of the audio recording in the park if you listen to it you can hear that message yeah play backwards and it's all nixon nixon messaging mcguffin's a bum walt made sure now are we in the corridor of doors can we jason i think we can go on the corridor doors and i just want to say i do appreciate that they there is kind of like official names for each one of these scenes. The Endless Hallway, the Conservatory,

although traditional Victorian conservatories would be, you wouldn't really display a funeral casket in there. You would display curios and odysseys and artifacts. And at other Haunted Mansions, they do. But yeah, Corridor of Doors, let's talk about it. Did you know about the history of conservatories and verandas and all these things before we did these podcasts um uh no i honestly those are just like the threads i followed through the haunted mansion stuff comes up where i go like wait are caskets and coffins the same

and i was like oh no how silly of me and that i just go down like like a week of recent i feel like you like you referred to hours i feel like you like really hit the books here i for haunted mansion i devote a lot of time i think i did it mostly all the day before we recorded this i started on uh the two days before and i was watching garfield the dog and i alluded to this a spooky trick for halloween he pulled my laptop off the desk and it bent the power adapter i talked about this that was the problem that was hype that you hyped that up like your car maybe just spontaneously exploded. Well, I had never had that happen because on the old laptops,

if something like that happened, the MagSafe pulled it out, and USB-C just pulls the whole thing down, and it just killed the whole cable. It just bent the cable. And Mercury is in retrograde. It's, you know, a spooky season, too. And I had this. It's the third time you've blamed something on Mercury being in retrograde.

Mercury in retrograde. Melrose Mac was about to close. I was like, can I bring a dog in? Like, you know? I broke an iPhone cable two weeks ago. Was that sort of like the universe getting ready for Mercury being in retrograde? Yeah, but we were recording the next morning and my computer was at like 10%. So I was like, oh, I have to fix this like in the next couple hours, you know?

Yes, I get it. Let me ask you this. In preparation for Haunted Mansion, because these all have fun name rooms, did you play Haunted Mansion Clue which does exist and these room names are in it? What? Really? No. Did you? No. Oh okay.

Well we'll have to do it on Twitch or something. I googled it. Play a seven hour game. That is fun. All with separate sets. I'm not a big board game guy but i do like clue i like clue and i love i loved clues yeah the game of life i loved i loved clue uh maybe that was it corridor of doors corridor of doors what you got scott

there's i feel like i don't have any i just like wrote down what happens in it so yes i say what happens oh yeah don't worry i'll fill it i got a ton of shit trouble what what was that i said he has a ton of shit i said i'll fill it i got a ton of shit all right well then you go no no wrote down what happens the spirits are having trouble escaping and there's little maces that all knock on the door and they all make sounds uh it's all like rapping on the door and that was the thing i found that tony baxter like doesn't like that he he uh he like saw some plan where it was supposed to be more um like like ambient and like added sound effects like these big pounds like boom boom and he prefers that the rather

than like practical tapping which he thinks is just uh actually he didn't say this i wonder if he just thinks that's annoying like you'd rather have a designed sound there um i think he was referring to the haunting the movie that this sequence is based on um and he uh he said he wants it to be like that's another thing that he would plus up is not because he's doing an interview in this room so there's a bunch of like tap tap tap tap interrupting the interview which is maybe why he wants it out of there i i i never thought of that but i completely agree yeah yeah interesting um he yeah i guess it is more like irritating right frightening because i know exactly what it sounds like okay as soon as you

say like oh yeah like that that annoying noise and that the when doors are there yeah i know what that is yeah okay that could be better sure yeah i i think in the original version of the haunting which was a movie adaptation of the haunting of hill house novel um it's more of a like a ominous like bong like thunk like the inception noise maybe um and then uh he also made sure to clarify the 1963 haunting not the late 90s liam neeson haunting which does feature the incredible hulk roller coaster it like an insane sequence where the coaster goes off the track really yes weird oh I didn't know that um huh

uh does that time that times out the Hulk would have been and was it a universal movie I think it was it might have been a universal movie I think they got it filmed like either right before or right after it opened. Wow. Strange.

But yeah, the door knockers are maces. Some of the door handles are apparently serpent-like or like dragons. As if there's more images of the house almost coming alive. Did you guys

come across the sculptor who did a lot of woodwork for the Haunted Mansion? I actually did not. No. This is a guy named, he is a Cuban sculptor named Ciro Rolando Santana Iarite. And he had just arrived in the United States

and he heard WED was looking for a sculptor. He had exhibited in Central America and Spain, and they quickly scooped him up and got him to work. And he carved a lot of the door frames and the chairs and all of that sort of thing. So, you know, that attention to detail, again, that's like a real pro sculptor and are these the same have they replaced them since they have to right like these have to be new yeah some stuff has been copied over the years some stuff has been replaced right it's hard yeah i'm sure there's very little as far as like like original opening day items like they've replaced the wallpaper they've obviously have to do that

I wonder what is in there that's actually original presumably they have replaced the air conditioners which come into play in this area sure which like as you enter the corridor of doors they have angled the air conditioners to blast you so that you get chills when

you get into this part of the mansion yeah I that's I know exactly what that is and that's good that's very good a nice chill yeah blood running hot cold chills yes when we haven't as

I said we haven't heard the ghost toast in a while, and that's an awesome line. Every room has wall-to-wall creeps and hot and cold running chills. I like that you start to miss him. They use him so sparingly that every little appearance in the ride really lands. Yeah. Yeah. He is, yeah.

You want him to hold your hand through the whole thing, but he's not going to do it. Plain hard to get. Now, yeah, and in this section of the ride, there is, I mean, you're talking about canon. Like there's the official Imagineering canon, then there's guest canon, and then there's like cast member canon. In this part of the ride, there is a portrait. You do see portraits on the walls. And this Mark Davis drawing, some have speculated that this is the ghost host in this drawing because he has a noose that he has chopped.

Right. Wait, does this drawing appear anywhere? Was this just concept art or was it used in anything? It's in the hallway. It's on the wall with the portraits. Oh. Yeah. In Disneyland too? I believe so. Huh. I think it's in the hallway it's on the wall with the portraits oh yeah in disneyland too i believe so i think it's on the wall i think i saw it was on the wall they have put so many honestly i can't my memory now of the pictures on the wall has been flooded with hatbox ghosts because they put

my memory is that they put more pictures of hatbox on the wall once they added him to disneyland and i don't know if that was, I was just looking for it, but he was everywhere. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's, I think it's been updated a couple of times or updated or,

you know, different versions for different mansions. I'm wondering, I, what did I think the ghost host looked like? I don't know that I, I had ever really pictured him. And then once I knew what Paul freeze looked like, I think i always picture it's just paul freeze himself yeah i thought he

looked like snoke that's that's right this guy looks like a ghoul i would say this is a ghoul like right there's a lot of haunted mansion stuff like concept art that has the one eye really closed and the other eye really big and open is is snoke a ghoul though i think snoke's a ghoul for sure but he's palpatine ultimately so is palpatine a ghoul right uh palpatine i guess he is a ghoul because like he kind of he kind of dies but he becomes more powerful once he's fighting Mace Windu. So he's sort of like, I don't really call him undead, but there is an element to it where it's like, you know, strike me down and I'll become more powerful. He keeps like leveling up by getting hurt. Yeah.

Is Chewbacca a ghoul because he dies and then comes back all of a sudden with no real information about why and what happened. Now, look, what you're proposing, honestly, it would have been awesome if Chewbacca in like two scenes later after he dies in Rise of Skywalker, you think he dies, he's just back, but he's zombie Chewbacca.

I think that would have been great. That would have ruled. Let's do that. Yeah. A little bit of undeadness. Like, yeah, he would like... The sound is now, like, scary. Yeah, well, it could be half and half.

It could be like, I can't do the Chewbacca noise, but like, he could have gone back and forth between it. Or he sounds like, hello, I'm Chewbacca. You know I love a furry character speaking with an English accent. Yeah. That's something I do like.

I'm stately now. Yeah. Okay, what else we got here? This is the big hand shadow that passes by the, wait, am I at the clock? Am I going too fast? Yeah, there's more portraits. There's lots of pictures more portraits there's lots of pictures everywhere there's lots of ghost pictures i want to talk about the door what can we talk

about favorite doors yeah i know what's the difference between the doors well they all do different things this is a this is i'm not even doing this to troll or anything this is true there's one door that i find especially scary that i'm always fascinated by and it's from a little kid place it's the the door that pushes out. Yeah, that is always so creepy to me. The like flicks that, yeah. Yeah, that like you think it's wood and it like it's pushing out

like it's, you know, foam or something, which obviously it's not wood. But as a kid, that freaked me out. And I still going through that room, stare at that illusion and I just like, I'm unnerved by it. I'm fascinated by it it it's my favorite door yeah i i think just the pounding to worse like scared me as a kid because as a kid the guy in

the coffin didn't scare me that much because he had a funny delivery like i was like oh this is this is kooky this is silly but like just someone pounding on a door a lot is like just under like always unnerving yeah and the doors are so close they're like very close to your personal space especially in the hallway it's pretty narrow there too so anyway that's my favorite door um there's a lot of portraits of the hatbox ghost in here in the hallways um there are portraits of the pop-up ghosts that come later on at the swinging wake and they're all kind of done in a style to mimic daguerreotypes which is an early style of photography um and some of them around a sign that says tomb sweet tomb right which is a funny cute little cross stitch um k-a-b-c horror funny and we like it it's funny it is cute next

cross stitch how do you jason do you know what a cross stitch i don't jane does though uh and it's it's very nice uh it looks very nice um k-a-b-c horror host vampire had a sign that's a tomb sweet tomb in her set as well. Who stole... Can I... I'm going to sidetrack a little bit, and I don't know if this makes Scott happy or mad, but a quick sidetrack is that we're talking about Vampyra.

I believe that is how you pronounce it. And then Elvira, people say, you know, that she stole the gimmick of Vampyra, which is sort of like a... What was... Is she a vampire, I guess? She's a vampire. She's a vampire, but is Elvira a vampire?

She's just some sort of a scary monster. There is a... They're ghouls. They are definitely ghouls. They are not ghosts. I think they're ghouls. Okay, fair enough. They're both ghouls.

Elvira. Bobby Boris Pickett made the Monster Mash. And I found a song. And I know there's a lot of these monster sort of songs. I found a song by a guy named Don Hinson and the Rigor Morticians that I believe Bobby Boris Pickett stole. And it was two years later when the Monster Mash was written that Bobby Boris stole a lot of the elements of it and made the Monster Mash and made it a big hit.

And it blew my mind because drum parts are pretty much the same the structure of it's the same it's four chords and i want to i want to learn more about this i want to know who invented this maybe don hinson and the rigamorticians stole it from somebody but i'd really like to break this case open did bobby boris Pickett steal the Monster Mash? I want to throw that out to the listeners. Well, look, get Giuliani on the case. He'll be invested as he himself is a ghoul. Yeah, we can all agree.

Rudolph Giuliani is a ghoul. 100% cool. No question there. And I do want to give the song, which is a very riboflavin-flavored, non-carbonated, polyunsaturated blood, is the name of Don Henson and the Rigamortician's song that I believe was stolen to create Monster Mash. Monster Mash is probably a better song, though, but they're both doing the same, like, Boris Karloff voice like this. Anyway, we'll look into it. I just wanted to say that because this is a recent thing

that's been just keeping me up at night. Well, and that's one of those, we're going to look back in 2021 when that is the biggest scandal in the country, and it'll seem so odd that it was just brought up in this casual way right the hinson estate versus the boris pickett estate by the way if you don't look into bobby boris pickett and look into his other monster songs like the monster swim and the monster rap because he has yeah and then there's a couple like there's a song goofing on star trek it's called star dreck a little mad magazine a very mad magazine style um anyway we're not getting we're not getting to leota are we is this where i find out it's possible how long have we been

going do we know there was a break uh there's like an hour. I think an hour and 15. Yeah. I think we still got some time. Still got some time. Can we talk about the wallpaper? Yeah, this purple wallpaper. Yes. With the eyes. Yeah. The purple wallpaper. I mean, I think it was always popular.

I think people always liked it. But it feels like there was a moment like 10 15 years ago where everyone was just stepped on the gas and i i don't know if it's disney was like we gotta merchandise this more or people on nazi are like we gotta sell we gotta sell some stuff with this wallpaper but i feel like there is so much wallpaper now. You mean as far as merchant? You mean like wallpaper merch? Wallpaper merch to the point where you can buy wallpaper of the wallpaper now.

Oh, yeah. Okay. And like there's a dress pattern with this wallpaper. Yes, the wallpaper. The wallpaper never really struck me as like you. Maybe 10 years ago, I wouldn't have said, said oh that's one of the iconic things but it does feel like you're right if you go in the gift shop there's a lot of

representation of the wallpaper on items and clothes yes and in terms of third party sellers I have to give Jane credit on this one because I said I was going on Etsy to try and find wallpaper merchandise and she said see if there are garters and sure enough there are garters is this is this because of what we were talking about on

the on the patreon no this is another spooky coincidence that has happened to me recently that happened the day before she said look up garters and then it came up naturally on the bagged halloween costumes episode yeah so on the patreon we discussed uh the and i was like a memory had been unlocked the bizarre thing where at prom they make 17 and 18 year olds males like take a garter off of a woman's leg of the yes their 17 or 18 year old date's leg usually this is we're discussing it as if we haven't there's a part there's a part of me that wants to delete that discussion and forget and remove it for all the time so upsetting is that idea this thing that happened to all of you at prom okay i don't understand well we can move on we can move on but yes you can get a garter if you wanted a haunted

mansion wallpaper garter but there's more that's this is an etsy one though this is an etsy oh yeah this is they're not selling garters at disneyland yeah disney's not selling this filth anymore yeah yeah they used to have a garter store on main street when it opened that is true where walt would go in and fit you for one uh on opening day people got their garters stuck in the fresh cement so they had to give out fresh ones. But there's more wholesome stuff on Etsy. You know, here's a wall light switch cover. You put on a wall.

Here's a face mask. And then here's another. Couldn't have predicted that last year. Here's another face mask. This is a different face mask. And then this is a face mask. And then lastly, a face mask. Those are five different sellers,

five different styles of masks. So if you want some wallpaper merch, you can get official stuff. You can get unofficial stuff. It's there. Credited to Rolly Cr crump but i also saw people citing a woman named tanya norris well here's yes it's a little confusing because i saw tanya norris speak at midsummer scream last year and it was fascinating because she hadn't really been interviewed in years and she she worked with waltz like traveled on waltz plane with his wife to go

to like new orleans to like find decorations and things to put in the mansion and stuff to put around New Orleans Square to make it authentic. And she is very upset about the wallpaper in the mansion. But in hindsight, I can't remember if she's talking about the wallpaper in the stretching room because she just said it's been replaced. I understand things have to change. But she was not pleased that her original wallpaper that she picked out was not quite the same anymore. I think it's a bunch of daguerreotype Nixons.

Yeah. Yeah. Really mad I got out of there. I think, though, I think it's probably different wallpaper than this eye wallpaper, but I could be wrong. I think she did the original version, and then Rolly Crump, in the Sorrel book, it credits the wallpaper to Roley Crump with the guiding hand of Claude Coates. And I have written out Roley Crump phonetically because I always say Raleigh. I also think there is some dispute between some of these people about whose thing is what. I've read like, there's certain people take credit for things

and I think other people don't think that's correct. So it's still a little cloudy when it comes to these details. Yeah, so if you can catch them at a cocktail party when those sorts of things happen again, you might get a different story than documented in the official publications. And Rolly, Tanya, and Bob,ly tanya and bob all alive all still

alive all still alive yeah for sure yeah so you can get their perspective and i guess the last thing to be said more eyes the wallpaper is all these creepy looking things are all eyes more eyes watching you more eyes the mansion is alive keeping an eye on you. Yeah. Luckily, the eyes are not more together because I do have a little thing where when eyes are really close together, that is extra scary to me. There was a character called Eye Guy in Power Rangers that really freaked my sister

and I out because he was just made of eyes. Do you know who Eye Guy is? Does anybody know who Eye Guy is? I know, yeah. Alright, Scott, I have to show you Eye Guy real quick. Yeah, he's gross. There's a newer X-Men character called Eye Boy, too, and he's just got face full of eyes.

And it is creepy. I mean, nothing's as creepy, though, as that Channel Zero TV show that just had a creature made of teeth. That's one of the most upsetting things. If they put that in the Haunted Mansion, I think everyone would be upset. Here, right here. That's Eye Guy. I kind of recall

Eye Guy. I like his mouth. I kind of like him. Yeah, he's so cute. Whoa, whoa. Cute. Yeah, I think he's cute. His smile is like, he's got like a cookie monster face. Alright. Well, we'll throw it up. Do's got like a cookie monster face. Bah. All right. Huh. All right.

Well, we'll throw it up. Do you think the Power Ranger villain eye guy is cute? They're kind of googly. That's why they're cute. They're a little, they're in the ballpark of googly. Maybe I'll come around. There was something else that I declared the mummy guy cute. Arnold V. Sloop? No, who's the

character yeah yeah I found Emotep cute for some reason I don't understand yeah it's hard to it's hard to track so that's the wallpaper the clock you want to talk about the clock clock

yes I'll let you do it though you probably got a lot of stuff no I don't have much on the clock? Clock, yes. I'll let you do it though. No! You probably got a lot of stuff. No, I don't have much on the clock. Actually, I just have the Sorrel page bookmarked for the clock. So, because there's I mean, it's great. And a big shadow hand moves

in front of it and that's scary and there's like a demon face in it and I don't think I realized until I saw the book that the, well, I don't know what part of i saw the book that the um well i don't know what part of the clock it is the big chime i guess is a is a forked tongue adds to the whole demon face of it all right and that is so that's an appearance of like a demon character i guess a whole other thing right a whole other thing new type yeah yeah so separate from goblet they should mention um

and the is this where oh sorry well i was gonna say the only number on it is the number 13 where the number 12 usually is a spooky number that apparently that shows up later uh in the ride um i also we're in this zone where you start going backwards this is another one where i'm if i'm questioning do i like haunted mansion holiday? When you get to those wreaths, the wreaths rule, what are people going on about? If you don't like love the wreaths,

I think there's just singing little plants. Amy Coney Barrett is an originalist when it comes to interpreting the constitution. And some people are just originalists when it comes to haunted mansion you know well there's a prediction that i will make uh that i'm sure won't it won't be undone even by the time this episode comes out that republicans are going to do the right thing and they will realize that they need to leave her on the bench until the american people have spoken i'd also like to say that by the time we're doing probably the ballroom in 2021,

if Donald Trump, if you're hearing this, I hope you're enjoying jail. Use those words against me. I would like to back up what you're saying here, because I think you, I would bet that all the $75,000 I was going to spend on that hand, I would put it up against, I would put it in favor of what you're saying here because I think you I would bet that all the $75,000 I was going to spend on that hand I would put it up against I would put it in favor of what you're saying that's right and now he will be given podcast access and he will be

listening to podcasts a ride because he thinks he can escape and think about a fun ride and not hear me say enjoy jail for your crimes sir and I just want to say congratulations to president howie hawkins it was so exciting to vote for you in the state of ohio where i'm an official resident and uh boy i really don't know howie hawkins he's the green party candidate look oh i am my boy shows

you how much i'm paying attention my biden Biden ballot has already been accepted by the state of California. I can make this joke. It's fine. So is it now? Well, what I saw was that in this zone that this night appeared and what we're talking about, we talked about the night animatronic, but that there was a point in time where there were real characters. They tried having real characters jump out and scare you on this ride. And Tony Baxter tells a story, and it's a fun story, but maybe it's true. I don't know why I should doubt it, but he claims like somebody got punched at a certain point.

That's what the book implies, too yeah that's an issue in a lot of these kinds of things that's true it's that's probably possible it seems hard to get some leverage on punching just from that seated position in the in the doom buggy but i guess i guess if somebody yeah if they like kind of invade your personal space on the left past sort of the barrier in in the doom buggy i guess you just go, ah! And like, I would probably, I would do more of a shove, I think, than a punch. Well, if you punched a knight in the face, that would hurt a lot.

That would really ruin your hand, I would think. Yeah, it would be like the Jim Carrey, the Batman Forever scene where Jim Carrey tries to punch a guy. He's like, show me how to punch a guy. And then he's like, ah! Then Two a guy and then he's ah then two-face does it easily so um i uh where does they tried this in the 80s yes uh if not multiple times that's the one i'm aware of jason what is your time timeline for that stuff so i came across yeah that they tried in the 80s they thought disneyland was

getting a little stale and there is an interview with a cast member named kyle clark who was one of the people was one of the live action people and he said that they actually had free reign to roam from like the graveyard to the endless hallway. And one of the issues was that some of the cast members were less than trustworthy and would just like hang out backstage for a lot of their shift or they would just, there were scams going like that. People would go into the parts room and steal like backup pieces and then sell them on the black market like people would

flip pieces of the mansion and he that's why he said like not that it was you know it was a pain in the ass and they had to staff it but like later on he heard there were scams going on people selling like buzzy stuff you know so that was the primary reason was you just couldn't trust a disneyland cast member to hang around the mansion in that capacity i am sure it was not the necessarily the primary reason i'm sure like budget and staffing and all that had to be factored in this i they were also trying the that was the time they tried the phantom of the opera kind of character who would be in the corridor of doors sometimes sometimes he'd be in the queue. And yeah, that did not go over great.

In 1999, the knight was in the corridor of doors. And then in a 2019 special event, the live-action knight showed up in the Endless Hallway, presumably for the 50th anniversary of the mansion. I think, here's my stance on this and i think that i don't think don't do the like try to like jump in front of the car like car or anything like that or try to come on the side i do kind of like whatever there'll be a couple like new figures somewhere in the mansion every time you ride that sounds fun to me and it's kind of

a it's much more subtle than a like a jump scare i think i would be all for that but i don't think i i don't think it's gonna make the mansion better to have like a valencia teen scaring you i mean live actors always scared me like as a kid if you'd be at a carnival or like a beachside amusement park and there was a haunted house i loved the haunted mansion but then there would sometimes be signs like caution there are live people in here in costume and that always just scared like i just the idea of that that like there could be a chaotic who knows what a live person would do you know yeah i get what you're saying but i you're saying, but I think if you knew it was just not jump scares, but there would be an extra night hanging around,

I kind of think that's cool. Yeah, moving stuff around I think is cool. The idea that the Boardwalkers will occasionally move the nanny chairs, the spooky nanny chairs, to different rooms or different places sometimes. Those are the other chairs you like those chairs assess those chairs for a nap please oh um you know i think it's for a you know a care worker taking a load off i don't think those are meant to be sat in for extended periods

of time but are a blessing when you need one got it wow That's like you've thought about it a lot. No one is able to assess a chair for its comfortability. Yeah, no. That's what the people want. When county fairs open up again, we need to open up a booth where people bring you a picture of a chair and you assess it for a dollar.

Sure. What kind of relaxing do you do in this chair? Yeah. Just rattles it off uh dare i say can we did we can we talk about madam leota here it is there it is i think no need to fear to it no need to wow here we are oh my gosh i was i i think i was worried about coming up short i mean this was my goal i just just try to reach goals like if you're running, what's my distance going to be? And my outside goal was ballroom. I'm not sure about that one, but Leota and Seance Circle. This is good good this feels good to me yeah here we are uh this is this is the first i think truly iconic scene yeah if you've been to disney everybody remembers this maybe your average dad doesn't remember the wallpaper or that there's multiple doors or the raven But he does know there was a head in a glass circle. He knows that.

Yeah, well, and it's where it all kind of opens up, because we've been in some very narrow scenes, and now suddenly this is very grand. We actually, like, it's much taller. The scope of it is huge. The chairs start moving in a different way, in this round way. We're incorporating kind of a new kind of ghostly magic that we're bringing you know like the the the tarot card worlds into it um yeah i

mean this it's uh yeah this is an amazing iconic scene yeah and this is uh changed a few times over the years there's there's some pretty decent uh there's some decent footage of the original which is not like it was more it was more stationary uh illusion yeah the floating was added in 2005 for the 50th anniversary kind of a much derided event i feel like i i didn't see any of the 50th anniversary stuff but i feel like people were not exactly thrilled about it but the 60th was kind of a wash so i don't know how bad the 50th could have been because if they added i mean the floating leota alone is such an impressive effect well 65th was uh real bad 65th for sure that was this not great that's what i'm saying

yeah um yeah i was surprised that the that the floating was so recent i i i maybe thought it was earlier in the 90s at some point uh do we have a preference do we think we we like it floating do we recall liking it not floating um it's an interesting question because this is a room that tony often cites as something that needs a plus up and i agree with it and i think i'm trying to really figure it i like the floating a lot but i think that like i i maybe i'm just like a little too cynical where i see the wires on the musical instruments around i don't know the whole room now to me feels a little cheap. See, I was going to say the opposite, that I think this room is a good illustration of, like, you don't need many things to plus it up.

Like, they could add a few things like this to the loading area, and I think it would be a much greater, a great improvement. I think the effect in the ball still looks cool for the most part. I don't need it floating sort of in that very, I don't know, boring. I, it might be a wash to me, honestly, that it's floating versus just sitting. Because I think that the illusion of Leota Toomes' head in there is the draw. I like that. I like it.

I like the floating through the room. Yeah, I don't know. I't know i'm neither here nor there like it's i don't think it's like unbelievably better i think it was really exciting when it came in and it really made you question well how are they doing this projection because that's changed a couple times it's moved from front to inside. And I feel I'm still confused about it. Are they projecting the face from the front now still currently? I feel like I read that they do, which I don't know how they do it through the sphere. Right. Yeah, I did.

I was reading a little bit. And I was my understanding. It was sort of similar to just how they've always done like the heads in the cemetery but i see what you're saying that makes it like it seems like that's an extra level of how is that work and i did not there was a point in time it was definitely done from the front when it started yeah they're they're right they're projecting a video onto a still bust of a face um i think when they like they had to update it and change it it was done it was being projected on old film and they updated to laser discs and that prompted it to be updated and they wanted to like you look can we crack this even better and then so suddenly they started

projecting it from the inside and they built a very small projector uh that kind of like domes out like it's a reverse fisheye which allows it to you know spread as far as it can within the round head um and there's a patent that you can look up on one of these sites on doom buggies or something where they show how that works, having a little projector inside. Which, is that also how they do Buzz Lightyear? Is in the queue for Space Ranger, Spinner, whichever the many names of that ride, Astro Buzz? Yeah, you say that, and those do feel similar to me as I'm thinking about how they look. So that would make sense to me that that was the same tech.

I think so. I think it's coming from the inside i think they move around so much like where else what other common point could there be that you're projecting but then i also remember hearing how like some of the mouths in radiator springs racers are still ours done from the front even though those characters move around a lot and that sometimes if you look real close you'll catch him moving out of sync and that a little lens has to move around it's a little like there's the Italian, there's Luigi

and then his little helper guy like they have to move the lens around as he hops around yes I have seen that illusion I think you can see a little more clear for whatever probably because it's a little lighter in that car's ride

but more clear for whatever probably because it's a little lighter in that car's ride um but uh i do think that with the floating because when it was being projected from the inside they did it from the table like it's wired up through the table and when they started floating it again i think now they have to follow it and i think somewhere

there is something projecting uh from outside onto the front of her face again but where where is it in that room yeah that's a very good question um it really is a testament there's all of these things that we that we still aren't totally sure even though we've been to these websites and we've read the books um i i honestly don't know or the explanation is so confusing that you're like i don't know well i'll just pretend it's magic right because i can't keep it straight in my magic um i think one of the things that always worked on me as a kid

i won the voice is i don't think she's given enough credit there's an actor named eleanor audley um and she was the voice of maleficent and the um stepmother the wicked stepmother in cinderella and kind of defined that like disney villain voice oh yeah that voice is iconic i guess i don't keep yeah keep saying is it epic I mean it might be I think it is fair to say because I always think of Leota Tombs like as an enthusiast of this stuff but I feel like she does not get enough credit it's a great performance

it's a very well written script too from Exitensio it is the most like ice cold delivery that she had like just the most like ice cold delivery that she had. Like just the most like distant cold delivery that is so like creepy.

Yeah. It's really great. Do we all want to take a turn? Do we all want to try some different lines? Um, I guess. We're going to do karaoke. You're going to challenge me. I'll do it. I wasn't expecting. Are we going to do karaoke. You're going to challenge me. I'll do it. I wasn't expecting.

Are we going to do it like she did it? I think so. We're doing a reading? Sure. Why not? Like it's church? People want to hear the lines. People like to hear the hits.

You know? All right. People are saying. People are saying it more and more. People are saying it more and more and more and we're looking into it and we're going to make it happen all right i do i have to find the complete ride transcript here uh i got i'm gonna try the creature one i have it in the book right in front of me okay you go go ahead first all right serpents and spiders tail of a rat call

in the spirits wherever they're at this damn people are shouting in their cars right now i think part of the addition as time goes on part of the thing that adds to it is just the fact that like well no one does like the mid-atlantic deliver like accent anymore no one does that old hollywood like well now listen here you like it's kind of like uh the the upper crust characters in a marx brothers movie where it's just like a little stuffy and sinister you know should i am i gonna do the next line? Yeah, sure. Okay. Wrap on a table. It's time to respond.

Send us a message from somewhere beyond. I almost said a Dom Pardo there. Somewhere beyond. Wrap on a table. And you're with musical guest Goblins. And your host, Ghoulies. Oh, the don pardo overlay of haunted mansion we want to make that happen please that's what tony wants it to yes um is it my turn it is your turn yeah okay let's see i was working in the lab late one night when my eyes beheld an eerie sight for my monster from his slab

began to rise and suddenly, to my surprise, he did the mash. He did the mash! Musical guest Bobby Boris Pickett! And host, uh-oh, that guy he stole it from. henson and the rigor morticians

i don't like to editorialize in these voiceovers but they're probably gonna get into a backstage fight like bill and chevy did uh um all right i don't think i got it right but that's close enough like that that's okay yeah that's pretty good you know we can't all be eleanor oddly you know and she had time to rehearse she had time to rehearse i put everyone on the spot she had to take there yeah um i mean so this is covered in the in the imagineering story and it's sort of a famous thing but the there's the whole the thing about the bus so uh the idea of projecting which comes back again in the graveyard later obviously but the idea of

projecting onto a bust i think was a raleigh crump idea um there was this there's this scary footage of one of the one of the great uh frequent disney voice actors hans conreid who i believe was captain hook this footage of him live action as the magic mirror in in snow white and it's from some special from the disney 50s tv special but that's like kind of a pure white face filmed over black and so they had that footage like what if you took that and you like put it onto a bust there There was a bust of Beethoven around Imagineering somewhere. So they tried that. It didn't sync up at all, but it was kind of cool. Like, well,

it's a sort of successful test. So then they realized, well, what if we made it the bust of... If we filmed somebody and then made the bust of them too. And they came to Leota Toombs, who did work as a sculptor for imagineering um she really downplays it she when asked well why is it you she says well because my eyes were the

right distance apart so she's very like flippant um now they they did replace her voice with Eleanor Audley, but she is the voice of Hurry Back at the End. Yes. Which is also an extremely good voice performance. So she gets her voice in there, too. learning that and being very surprised because something about like the i like the vibe that you get from leota tombs and if they felt necessary to change her voice i was wondering if her real voice was like awful i was wondering if it was like lunch lady doris i'm leota tombs send us a message from somewhere beyond hurry back what do you mean you don't like it

give me a reading here do it how you want it um quite lovely and quite haunting and wonderfully used later in the attraction uh and then this is very like super covered in the imaginary story but if you don't

know uh they did this again they had to do new leota stuff for the haunted mansion holiday uh so but leota tombs had passed away so how do you do that how do you get somebody who could double so exactly and the effect didn't work uh when it was not the right face why her daughter kim irvine works at it works at imaginary still a major imaginary figure these are both like not even just you know they don't like just do some odd job at Imagineering they're like major Imagineers

yeah mother and daughter yeah so she got to participate in this and do a tribute to her mom and then and it's so wonderful in the in the documentary how she you know can take her kids on it and say there's

there's grandma that is very cool i like that that stays in the family um kim we've talked about before has like been in charge of like the the small world project to put the ip on it and then she was doing the castle colors and she's just it seems like she's always stressed out by Disney nerds, like being mad at her for like ruining, for not being an originalist. By the way, that's the name right now we're going to use when it comes to people that don't want anything to change at the parks. Theme park originalist. I think that's good. That's a good little, there's a little like stink to that. Yes.

And it makes us sound very academic. It makes us sound very professional. We're using like language, you know? Term. Terminology. Do we need a new one that isn't populist? I mean, I think populist works otherwise. Yeah, no, populist isn't a bad word, but I don't know.

Trump ran as a populist four years ago. I mean, he's not doing it now. But Bernie's a populist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I sort of... It's a complicated... It was unclear what I meant. Dark populist.

I just wanted it to be gone from the Steve Bannon, Trump use populist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I sort of, it was unclear what I meant. It's a complicated, dark populist. I just wanted it to be gone from the Steve Bannon, Trump use of it. Yeah. Yeah, no, being that, populism is not necessarily bad. Kim Irvine, I believe, was also doing the newer entrance to Anaheim's Tomorrowland,

which was kind of in the works as the park shut down back in March. Oh, really? Okay, which was going well. That's been cool. Yeah, it's been nice. So far. Yeah, clean lines.

We're getting it out of 98 trash aesthetic. You know, I guess that's the one thing you can say about, like, I feel like the instruments, you know, I guess the instruments floating were always there, but that is kind of like, there are some 2000s aesthetic stuff throughout the mansion from plus ups that could be swapped out for something a little classier there is i don't know you don't have to fill that space in that room with anything crazy but there are illusions

especially there's one in tower of terror in tokyo disney sea there's an effect in the in the pre-show that is so amazing and i've seen things they've used in other things in the american parks but there's scott you know i'm talking about there's a disappearance there's a disappearing thing that blew our minds so much you could employ these newer versions i'm sure it's just an old trick with a newer version you can employ some new cool version of that trick in there you could i'm sure there's a couple little things and again you don't have to fill up the space or anything but i bet you really could take that room to another level with some like higher tech illusion that would still feel like kind of low tech in its execution like yeah you don't want it to be like you're not adding a transformer screen

in that room oh leona shoots a harpoon towards your car and then you fly along with her outside the mansion yeah again evac comes to help you look out call in call Evac, wherever you are. I'm here. Oh, no, that's Optimus. Evac doesn't talk. Oh, yeah, we're Evac. We're Evac. Sorry, sorry. I mean, it's easy to remember.

I guess we should count our blessings, because if that Haunted Mansion movie had, like, you know, broken records or, like, blown the door off stuff, like, I'm sure Jennifer Tilly would have been around or like they Tony talked about like we thought about maybe adding some conservatory stuff to the loading area

but then the movie came out and that was a whole thing and yeah doesn't feel like it would have worked could have had Jennifer Tilly also the second guest on the episode of Leno that I appeared on right oh yeah 1994 the spooky coincidence have worked could have had jennifer tilly also the second guest on the episode of leno that i appeared on right oh yeah or 1994 all the spooky coincidences coming up this year garters and green retrograde yeah and a broken computer plug and a broken computer plug um so i don't want to

trash this room sorry scott yeah yeah sure yeah yeah I yeah there's something about it yeah they just feel like a little like sheepo maybe those things spinning around in the air yeah and I feel like that didn't used to strike me and maybe another thing I like when the Haunted Mansion Holiday rolls around that you get all those those cards and like would be a little I guess they're also 2D but that's just sort of the the

like the Haunted Mansion Holiday is more like silly 2D cartoony right in general yeah yeah and certainly more than the haunted mansion movie i watched a haunted mansion movie a couple years ago when i was like oh this is it's it's just i appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into it but i was like oh this movie is kind of unnerving like i was like i don't know if i like this aesthetic you know i think i like it when it's melded with the haunted mansion right um yeah wait well i mean we didn't yeah we didn't like that movie so you can listen

to that from last year but we did like the nelly video that's where that's oh i mean nightmare before christmas the movie oh didn't you wait i think you said on a mansion oh no it yeah no didn't really care for the haunted mansion movie uh like the big digital bridge at the end the ponchon train i believe i was corrected and of course of course the great wallace shawn oh yeah i mean he's just a killer wallace shawn is the only character in the movie that would be fine on the ride i think would fit seamlessly into the ride mike do you feel like you're like arguing like do you have like a villain in your head who doesn't

like wallace shawn and you're like ready in every episode to defend him go to war for on his behalf uh yes i think i see anytime he comes up i i imagine like a schoolyard bully who's like well sean sucks and i'm like no he's not he's in a great actor very unique and a good playwright if there was that bully you would have even though that's such an offensive opinion you would almost have to try to become friends with him because like you'd be like well this is a weird kid. If he's making his bully stance, being stridently anti-Wallace Shawn. Yeah. I've seen my dinner with Andre over 15 times

and I can't get into it. Wait a minute. Wait. Maybe you were. Did we just become best friends? The timeline on the designated mortar doesn't make any sense. I've seen his play five times.

In the first month of quarantine, I read a book of his essays and two of his plays, and the plays are the craziest fucking things. The essays are very personal and endearing and just about society and everything, and he's so thoughtful. And the plays are the most kookiest, like dark, absurd things. and i was like i cannot

believe because he usually plays a character in one of the plays so to read these bonkers lines coming from his mouth is so crazy and i've told you the story of seeing that i assume on the podcasts yes i was sitting in front of armin shimmerman who played quark on deep space nine and wallace sean played a Ferengi also on Deep Space Nine in a guest starring role a couple episodes and at the halfway point when we all got up Armin goes huh oh I thought

it was over well I guess we'll see what happens next do you not know how plays worked he was just like that was long it's long it is long it's like close to three hours and then i hope you won't i hope you won't mind me telling the story but then ryan perez sort of hung around wallace and andre gregory who had directed the play which was crazy his co-star in my dinner with andre and he like kind of was hovering around a birthday

celebration for andre that was happening in the lobby. He went up and said, good show to them. It was very nice. They were very nice. Yeah. Well, I guess we're heading for our year-long intermission on this series. We're almost there. There's one more little thing I had, which is that um the i i didn't i really

never do this this is i think it's from doom buggies the website that there is a uh you if you wanted to get out of your doom buggy and walk up to leota's table you could not do it because there is no floor there uh it is done in the dark so they don't build anything that you don't see um thus there is no floor why would you need it it still is bizarre to me that i'm still like picture like why would there be like a chasm but that is uh that is the case like there's a 15 foot drop if you tried to make that walk and somebody who worked there said they added a rope net one year you've probably heard why and then the editor of the site fills in. Well, because somebody once tried to leave their dune buggy and go to the table.

And then they fell a pretty good distance. That's a giant fault. Gee, yeah. Wow. There's a net there. Yeah, there's a net. And not only that, for whatever reason, i guess it's just i just don't it makes the room is going to be so much creepier to me next time i go in there because knowing that it's

just this big chasm and there's a ton of space underneath that for whatever reason i guess just because like i don't know well there's a bunch of empty space we should do something with it there were a bunch of props and spare animatronics from other attractions sitting around under the circle. Oh my god. The last name is Potts. I don't know who's saying all this, but this person says, when I was around a Wendy figure from Peter Pan's Flight was down there, as well

as spare crocodiles from the train track. Oh! That's like the stuff of nightmares. Yeah. Just unmoving, mismatching animatronics. Well, the plus up I have is let's see the moat that surrounds the table and fill it with crocodiles. They have spare crocodiles. Ghost crocodiles surround the table in a moat.

That fits. And add a very quiet audio track of the Wendy voice going, help. Help me. Crocodiles, help me. There's crocodiles down here. Help me. And the body of a guy who fell two years ago and nobody's found him.

This is also, like, this is just a pet peeve of mine. I feel like this is the room where someone fires off a flash the most because it is an interesting to upload a picture of and that just kills it from because then your eyes have to read and i just hate that because everyone does flashes are automatic on phones now and it thinks it's dark it needs the flash and no one ever thinks to look. So don't take pictures, folks. No.

No, you're not supposed to take pictures. The whole place is dark. Hey, I agree. Have your chest-mounted GoPro. If you do it, yes. Make sure that flash is off. Yeah. Yes. Anyway.

Well, on that stern warning. Look, Ernest Hemingway always said, stop working when it's good. And like, stop working at a good stopping place. And going from the seance circle into the next scene, that's so great. That's perfect for us.

That's such a great note to pick up on next year. We're ending on an Ernest Hemingway lecture. That's right. great note to pick up on next year. We're ending on an Ernest Hemingway lecture. That's right. Look, I don't take photography. Ernest Hemingway said this. All right. We'll be back. We'll be back.

And hey, if you get to see his house in Cuba, check out Ernest Hemingway's ghost. Is he a ghost or a ghoulie? I think he's a ghost. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Are we agreed here or do we do like one arbitrary thing? What's like the closest thing in

the ballroom that we... Could we say one? Or is there a cliffhanger? Handrail. The handrail? Start off the year. Yeah, there's a handrail. Right? Isn't there a handrail preventing you from dropping out you mean in front of the actual in front of the ballroom uh window i mean

there's yeah there's something like that um okay so the handrail because i like that thing that we like i like to teaser for last time, is there anything we can throw out? I'm like watching the ride through. Um, is there one little thing? Um, well, you know,

what's a name we can, I know, I know. Cause I liked shouting a name for energy at the top. Yes. Let's next year. Start with the name of the guy who's kind of drunk hand and hanging off of the chandelier.

of course. Yes, yes, yes. That's good. Perfect. That's a good, that off of the chandelier. Oh, of course. Yes, yes, yes. Great. That's good. Perfect. That's a good thing to shout. We will celebrate the accomplishments of that ghost

at the top of next year's episode. That's good. Should we negotiate how many minutes this room is going to take? A lot of characters in here. Should we settle on it now? now well no maybe or maybe that's a we decide now how do we decide though because we will never gonna we're never gonna come to turn uh yeah jason and i uh 45 minutes i think each one now you think at 90 minutes look i already lost i wrote down i lost the prop bet with myself that we would stop at the end of the corridor of doors. So that's okay.

That's only two rooms. No, that's three rooms. The Endless Hallway, the Conservatory, the corridor of doors. Here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. I think in my head when we started this, I thought it would be fun if the one year was just Hatbox Ghost. So next year would just have to be Attic and Ballroom yeah I guess

well Hatbox is it's own episode it's a lot of changes 2022 I think is fun this is I'm gonna have a high schooler by the time we're done with this I'm gonna be bidding him adieu to yeah he could be the guest

you will be and that episode like borat 2 will be a love letter to your teenage daughter you know that's right yes the one you predicted like yes honestly that's not so crazy because then at that point it's the graveyard and the end follow your home the ballroom is dense it's's very dense. I think we can all agree on that. I mean, that means there's really three episodes of Haunted Mansion proper left. That's not so bad. That's not crazy. I guess that's

not bad. Alright, I guess when you put it that way, but we gotta commit to that three, I think. Okay, I'll commit to the three. We can get it done in three. Yeah yeah three more years for anaheim which will bring it for anaheim of course but yeah yeah man yeah there's a multiple haunted mansions for anaheim three more i think i'm gonna start learning french now let alone

all right well we'll negotiate that we'll negotiate the terms here uh um all right well with that you survived haunt cast the fright year three um and the whole thing um i i hope you had fun we covered a lot of ground some silly shows and some bagged halloween costumes and some eddie frank and murphy uh that was that was a blast in general and um i don't know do any uh any thoughts about 2021 do we i don't uh i don't want to be on record yes in this case things are a tad in flux almost anything is on the table. Everything is tense. Everyone is tense. Mm-hmm. I'm just happy that no matter what we don't this time

have to say, well, next year, boys, you'll be heading for an election. Yes, that's true. That's true. And we'll be done with Disneyland's Haunted Mansion before the next election. Yeah. Potentially. Well, alright. When you put it that way there's a light at the end of the tunnel right not so bad we'll almost be 40

insane this is like getting close to 40 i've had no plans for what happens in the next five years of my life like this is the only things i know now are that we'll be doing the What's Different in Disney World in 2024. Exactly, yes. I have one plan. It's good to be present. You know, I've been reading a book on Zen Buddhism, and I learned that our delusions and attachments are the things in, you know, enlightenment that we are all the Buddha, you know, I do know.

Whoa. See, um, also subscribe to our Patreon. It's patreon.com slash podcast. The ride. Yeah. That's the wisest of them all.

Would they do that? Yes, sir. I, I will say if, unless we have anything else, I would like to go out playing Don Hinson and the rigoror Morticians' riboflavin-flavored, non-carbonated polyunsaturated blood. If you would allow me.

That sounds right. Yeah. Well, maybe just play the first half of the first verse, and then we'll do the second half of the first verse in 2021. Great. Happy Halloween everybody When the moon arises In the western sky And the vampires are out On the slide

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