Podcast: The Ride - The Haunted Mansion Part 4

Episode Date: October 29, 2021

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FOREVER! DOG! celebrity scientists and extreme attic intimacy. Join us as we continue to crawl through this ride at a snail's pace. I'll see you all a little later in the year 2025 when we get to the end of the graveyard. It's Haunted Mansion Part 4

on Hauntcast The Fright Whoever knows what to do, do it One, two, three Pickwick It's only me. After all, after this studious run of episodes, I'm the only one who went back to find out what we're supposed to do. That is true.

Just starting. We've been doing these cold opens of yelling that we did it last time. I crammed like I was on a test, but you're right. I did not. I have in previous years gone back and listened. I did not do it but you're right i did not i have in previous years gone back and listening to i did not do it you're right in the end i listened to all the other intros because i wrote a potential intro and i didn't want to try to copy it god we've been shamed so and i am the one who brought up pickwick in a recent segment that came up this year yes there was an animatronic

uh contest i think for the dormant animatronics. Yes. Who were just sitting around during the long pandemic. Now I feel like shit. We have started things on an ugly note. Feeling like Pickwick in the morning after that party, you know? Man. Wow.

Okay. Well, all right. But now I'm suddenly I'm feeling like a real, I don't know. I feel like my relationship to these episodes has been at odds before. Yes. But now I'm feeling like an A plus student. I did the homework. That's true.

I've been stressed about the episode all day just because there's so much information to learn. And just because these episodes are probably the most tense of all the episodes we ever do. The most book reporting. I've been feeling like just that's what i'm saying there's there is no of course you have an actual book yeah the uh this is what this is my point every year who is making it be that way well not me no i'm as chill as pickwick here well we can relate it's a regular episode we can have all the fun that we'd usually have on our show, which is called Hauntcast the Fright. We haven't said the name with this cold open construct. Oh, and also here.

See, this is the kind of fun we can have. We kind of haven't made good on the Halloween names. We sort of bailed on it. I thought we should bring. We did it a little bit, but why not? Let's make it Haunted Mansion specific. And that's why I'm your ghost host scott grim grin and gardner and then i'm joined by mike cadaverous pallerson and then of course also jason shrouded in a deaf

disguise it in oh i like that yeah yeah that is good yeah so there we did did that. And that's what I'm saying. It's fun. We can have some fun. Here's what I'd say. And if the audience is what we're talking about. So we've sort of stepped through the Haunted Mansion. And it's sort of a point of contention because Scott's initial idea was to do Haunted Mansion every year. I believe the way you envisioned it was, we'll goof around every year about the Haunted Mansion.

Maybe as if it's the first time. We'll obviously not try to repeat things. But what do you know we'll just do a new episode every week cover different aspects right of it because there's a lot there there's i don't deny there's a lot that's why i thought of doing it and then what happened was we started stepping through the haunted mansion as if we were doing sort of yeah like a book report and then sort of the game if if you were uh if you will is is sort of like pulling us off course on the haunted mansion while scott says like uh is that it is are we done are we done talking about the chair like that's sort of become the game of it well i don't think i sound that snippy but uh that's but maybe that's how you hear it that's how i would say it if I was playing a character.

Following a lot of what I usually encounter with that is a lot of, no, no, no, no, no, stop it, no. Right, so that's if you were playing our character, you would be doing that. You would say, no, no, no, we have to talk about the material of the chair in the hallway. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that's not as loud as you guys get. There was one time that it happened, and I was like, dear God sure god well if it was over zoom last year i don't know the fall of 2020 is such a fog that's

true but it becomes see this is what happens this is what's happening in the country right now when two sides just end up on different like completely separate they're polarized you know and i believe it actually makes it stronger it makes the polarization stronger so your interest in getting us off course and and and into a sort of a more fun freewheeling thing gets stronger our desire and especially jason's i still think i'm sort of the theme park moderate here but jason especially he gets stronger to want to make sure to just you know to read the full jason searle book to us each year right yes it's important you have to read us the book or what else are we doing it gets stronger the two sides get stronger you know as we go along so i think here's what i think i was thinking about this earlier today i think because this

year we've sort of set a limit i actually think this will give us some more room some more freedom oh this is how i fit by the way now we on this note, but I've been thinking all day. I have not been dreading the Haunted Mansion this year. Last year, big time dread. There was, as you said, Jason, there was a dread about a lot of things. But I think- Nothing stronger than the Haunted Mansion episode. No, no.

In October 2020, the biggest thing that I was worried about was doing the Haunted Mansion episode. I think it starts to feel sort of like my parents taking me to church. That's sort of the tone that I feel like I encounter, where it's like, we're going to sit. It's going to be nice. They're going to do the homily. And it wasn't that a nice homily. It was very good. Okay, we're going to learn about the foyer.

We're going to learn about the history of porches. We're going to learn about railings. Isn't that nice? It's been very nice. i see what you're saying i do think and i just had a mutual friend who i won't say who uh people love these episodes i do think sadly the format of you being tortured is popular no i recognize that it's part of it yeah so it is unfortunately now become part of it now maybe again i don't need to force it we don't need to do the same right this year and uh i i think that that's i don't know i think that that's going to help things um we'll see but yeah and now

i do recognize and i'll you know if you're gonna do it just do i'll just call it out now i understand that we're probably gonna have to do the thing where they were like there's like a new ribbon that got installed this year there so there's a there's an air filtration system that's new in the mansion. Well, that's not true. That's got to be the same. That's the pumping asbestos right into our lungs. That's never changed. That's the Legionnaire disease.

That's how that's. They touched it. They banged on the tin. They fixed the leak in the roof of like a backstage area that wouldn't even be where you'd go. You're walking us right into the new loading area of Disneyland. That's what I'm saying. Let's get it out of the way. I don't think I'm not expressing enough positivity here.

I appreciate that when I asked you guys, and I was nervous about doing that. I think I played it cool. But when we talked about it, was like all right now we've agreed that we're going to do the ballroom and we're going to do the attic and that you said yes i was like oh you're kidding you mean it's not the intention is not to only do the ballroom now i'm already delaying things by saying anything but right but i just i want to say to both of you i appreciate that you said yes and that even as we talk about whatever we have to talk about now that the intention was there to keep things moving forward right progress you see

there's a lot going on in both of these rooms and i was more surprised i think that there is more ambiguity in the attic than the ballroom the ballroom has like a lot of a lot going on maybe one of the most substantial if not the most substantial audio animatronic based scene in any ride yes there's almost like eight little seven or eight little different scene lits happening different stories happening animatronics all doing extremely different things it's not because when you said that i was like oh wait okay what else is there has more Animatronics well there's like Now there's the stormtrooper room

But they're all essentially doing the same thing the presidents Of America and all the presidents Are all essentially doing the same thing but here You've got dancing you've got duelers You've got pickwick up on the Up on the chandelier there's like so Many types of actions going on So here let me I'm gonna go quick

Negotiation here yeah yeah you know well i don't know it seemed like jason wanted to talk about the ballroom so we could just start talking about the ballroom i want to just make sure that jason's on the same page okay because again well again sure yeah pretend you're president biden and i'm kristin cinema and joe mansion hey that's topical how that puts us in 2020 locks us in your cinnamon you're both cinnamon i'm stacking my money from every like corporate baron that's giving me donations. You're both of them, basically? I'm both of them, yeah.

I love that you're willing to be. You're them? I'm the rest of Congress that's trying to do something. It's trying to get us out of this mess. Okay. And I'm wearing cat eye glasses and I got a funky sweater on. And I'm a piece of shit. So when I say,

can we move past the ballroom? You'll do a big, big thumbs down. Yeah. I, by the way, we do these things where we like, let's date stamp things the year that they are happening.

I hope to fucking God, we don't remember who the fuck Kristen cinema is a year from now. Boy, would I be thrilled if that name wasn't rattling around our social media unless you mute it which i should we'll see uh uh is it it's kirsten right i don't want it that's not a thing we need to know i don't care i which doesn't deserve to be i just want to be accurate so we know which person we're talking about in a year and now i for sure now i can't be shamed again next year so i have to bring her up and And we have to, of course, check in now.

That's now part of the Haunted Mansion is checking in. Checking in. What's going on with Senator Sinema? Okay. Let me throw this out. This negotiation. Real quick. Okay.

Okay. So in the past, we have done it on the rails. Jason, will you submit, will you allow us to bounce back and forth from the attic and the ballroom as with, you know, discussion and jokes and humor and a little bit maybe taking pokes at each other like we generally do in a fun way on Podcast The Ride? Don't you think that's going to take longer than just knocking out the ballroom and then knocking out the attic? I don't know. I'm just saying for Scott, I think it'll be a more pleasurable episode if we sort of bounce around in a way normally that we do but there's not there's not the seeking of permission to move from right but again i feel better on this issue okay already so i'm not so concerned as in previous years where maybe the intent was to get through

three or four i think we're gonna do it all right okay Okay. Well, Scott, if that's not a big problem, then I can... Let's not anticipate what he wants. I withdraw my negotiation, which is an attempting to make peace early. But okay, let's just proceed if we all feel comfortable. Is there any other rule we would like to lay down now? Look, I'm just always trying to avoid having no stop yelled at me which which i think which i think has happened in the past with you as well mike so if you'll as the mediator sure if everyone will try to not yell no stop is there a different command that i could politely say like just a second oh one second one second one moment please how about one moment please one moment that sounds fine Yeah yeah yeah There's a better One moment please

I'll say Yes We're in a stately manner Let's be polite here Stately Wayne manner Is where I think of that phrase From the 60s Batman show Okay great

So one moment please Is what we'll be using We'll be saying Okay Love it That's good Okay so as far as that I have no other thoughts

On the actual Follow through I think we're off To a great start I think this is This is very civil It would be funny If this was like

Doughboys doing this Fucking idiot What the fuck We're gonna go Up on the chair Did you have anything On the The new

Editions Of the Or did you want to Talk about The May December Portrait So they added Yeah they added The May December Portrait anything on the the new editions of the load or did you want to talk about my fingers so hard so they added um yeah they added the may december portrait in the loading area and they had they added uh they just basically dressed the area up it's not some crazy elaborate um um overhaul or

anything but i do think it makes everything look a little nicer in that load area um i didn't really notice it i gotta be honest. Really? Not so much. The dressing screens. There are dressing screens. And extra candelabra. What does a dressing screen mean? Like a folding screen. You would see like an...

Like if somebody's getting dressed behind it. Like if Austin Powers was getting dressed and he had a cucumber. Like a silhouette. A potential for hijinks. It's not quite like that because i think you can kind of see through it the way that they have them laid out but it is kind of like that size and kind of like laid out like that um excuse me right uh by the

loading area and then they have this portrait that jason just referred to um that changes so it's like kind of little stuff it's not like that big tony baxter overhaul where he talked about how they were going to maybe use the scene from the haunted mansion movie and load it into the disneyland haunted mansion but all i really have to say open for that one obviously i am still hoping for that one still open you know maybe devito can pull some strings recently announced for the cast for the new movie in the new movie today i think yeah as we record uh that's fun um so honestly i don't have a ton of thoughts on the new stuff i just think it's a nice little addition to the loaning area which still is a little spare a little bit it could be it could be a little more lively but they're doing they they obviously recognize that you know it

needs a little something so what jason what do you think uh liked it. There's a little cat statue whose eyes glow. I don't know if that was new or I just hadn't noticed it before. Oh, that's a good question. I know what you're talking about. I caught one or two in the video walkthroughs. A lot of the Haunted Mansion heads are going to be, or have to be mad at some of these episodes when we go, was that there the whole time?

Because that always happens to me on rides. Yeah. I mean, some of the stuff in the, now one moment please if i can transition us into the ballroom discussion oh wow oh you're just doing it you're saying wait you used one moment please to move forward branch this is an olive branch i take it i accept i'd shake the branch with you okay all right okay because i honestly can't think of anything new besides the looting area i'm sure i'm missing something. That's great. Great.

I feel like everybody would have pushed it, would have hit the throttle harder if we hadn't all talked about that and done this little treaty at the beginning. That's good. We got everything. See, that's what so many, again, in this country, you know, that's really the- You can sit down and talk about it. Yeah. Go over rules and make proposals. That's what Ted Sarandos is saying let's just like all get together and and let's not let content get in the way of

our general understanding that's what god that's what he's saying uh and then that's what i don't know i was gonna uh i was gonna make try to figure out a bezos joke where he just popped champagne in the middle of william shatner tearfully talking about going to space. Did that happen? Yeah, yeah. Shatner was like really moved to tears that he went in because he came down from the spaceship with Jeff Bezos. And Bezos was very bored by Shatner crying and telling him how wonderful that trip had been. And a person just like was like, hey, champagne.

And Bezos was like, yeah, yeah. Like cut him off right in the middle of it. up billy boy really cold really cold look dude i've done this like four times or something i think i don't even know anymore that was uh yeah and shatner looks real upset real real mad to be cut off anyway um so well jason jason yes well the ballroom scene i i i mean my pitch is just moving from sequentially through this scene yeah okay we'll see where it takes us yeah we'll see where it takes us but that's the intent uh to start uh because i think that first you know the very first like gag the the fireplace if you're not watching closely when you transition from the seance room and then there's kind of a black you know transition hallway and then you rotate around to the ballroom

you might not notice that there was a fireplace at all and there's a little guy on it there's a little ghost on it you're saying it's so quick in the ballroom scene you kind of miss that too right because he's like hanging on the bus like the bus there's a bus next to him right that's the one you're talking about yeah he's hanging on a bus which is one of between these two rooms one of a few uh callbacks to earlier scenes in the mansion i believe the bust is the same bust uh from the end of the portrait gallery okay of the like stern looking woman right um and this is one of the characters because there's many characters here that aren't like officially walt disney company named and this is one of those characters that's nameless yeah that is nameless that what i saw

was that pickwick and leota are the two main ones named and then later on uh retcon the bride is named constance yes and there's other characters that are, yeah, Retcon named later. Victor Geist, who is the organist in the ballroom, which again, one moment, please. Excuse me. I'm just getting ahead of myself. But Victor Geist is the organist. That's on the other side of the room. Let's be careful here.

I'm being very careful. Victor Geist. Very polite, too. Sting the waters. I appreciate it, though. He was named later as well. So, yeah. Victor Geist? Victor Geist, yes. I did not So yeah. So Victor Geist,

Victor Geist. I did not come across the name Victor Geist. Now you're making me second guess, but I'm pretty sure it's Victor Geist. I'm pretty sure. So the characters in the haunted mansion are Madam Leota Pickwick and Victor Geist. Just a very like a character actor from 1968.

Yes. very like a character actor from 1968 uh yes victor geist is the name of the organist and he is uh and i know that because i have a funko pop of him oh oh uh and he is but he has had a different name okay i'm excuse me uh just getting a little ahead of myself but he had a different name as well uh alternate version wolfgang elias furlong uh so he also related to eddie eddie's grandfather uh but i but yeah so so i'm actually impressed that disney hasn't tried to name like what you're talking about these like little little known ghosts because there are some really memorable ghosts in the ballroom like what you're saying like if you look and see the guy on top of the fireplace i was like hey because i was trying to do my best today to identify all the ghosts i wrote as many as i could see down and i was like oh fireplace ghosts real fun i'm surprised he's not named uh p jordan wanderfoot

or something like that sounds like a native american character so i won't no don't name him it's got an e at the end so now it's britishy okay good yeah it is it is like in the peripheral vision of like you as the rider seeing it and even just in like the sweeping like panorama of this sequence yeah you know i really think some i've heard some people criticize like frozen because frozen the ride in epcot feels very spare and there's not a ton going on but for instance like secret life of pets which i think we all really liked that ride there's so much going on in the periphery which is really what you want you want like really like cool things that are very easily uh overlooked on a ride that's like too much too many characters is great yes you can do it too many characters something like what jason's

pointing out is good on a ride something you can easily miss a big character or a fun thing that you basically just like huh oh okay that's a good ride you. That's a hallmark of a good ride. Yeah. You'll never catch everything. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's this room, too. I mean, what is this room?

I am excited to be talking about the ballroom in general. Can I? I do need to cut in. I forgot. Looking overall. Wait, you know what? One moment, please. One moment, please. You know what?

Can we change? Also, can you also say, oh, may I cut in? May I cut in? Like, is it an old-time dance kind of thing? Like a dance? Like a ballroom dance? Yeah, yeah. Like a dance.

If I could cut in, please. Okay, great. Instead of interrupting, that's what we'll do. Yes. And to go back, you'll say, one moment, please. This, I always just called it the ballroom scene, but the official name in the Sorrel book labels this room the Grand Hall. And on Doom Buggies, labels this the Grand Hall. yeah i saw grand i saw grand hall as well yeah not i looked up grand hall

and in old manor house houses and castles these rooms refer to as great halls not grand halls well well but they were used for uh multiple purposes dining uh that's that makes in the household entertaining guests uh what encyclopedia britannica uh casually dropped in often where justice was served um oh jesus christ uh yeah and the um so guests dining uh the one thing i thought was interesting that i hadn't seen a lot of places, but I think does work for this ride, but the balcony, you are essentially on a balcony, and great halls often had what were called minstrels galleries,

and that's Hey Nonny Nonny minstrels, not America Sings minstrels. You know, so we are technically... Hey Nonny Nonny, meaning what era and place like literal uh minstrel the tiny guitar like medieval time you know gesture clothing i'm just i didn't i'm no aaron sorkin i didn't understand the i don't understand some of these uh renaissance uh play kinds of old timey you know uh like mead and a little guitar and uh mead you know yeah and so like often the little guitars are always full of mead what am i saying when you were done with the song you tip them over what glug from it you know what i'm talking about what am i talking about because i can't i think you're conflating renaissance fair

well i don't know maybe it's not I said the word renaissance who knows it all just flattens flattening of history my favorite topic it's there's a guy with a little guitar and he's got meat in the guitar and it's from a Disney cartoon right is it like Robin Hood am I that's what I'm thinking of yeah okay um so the idea is you're in your little car and you're elevated. So that's what, that's what I, the connection that I made. Although ironically we are being entertained by the guests. The guests are not, maybe they're being entertained by us.

They don't seem like they give a shit about us in that room. They don't know. They're not being bothersome. They're not. Yeah. Like once you get in the attic, stuff's happening, but like, they don't care. The people in the ballroom are reacting to us. you know what um one moment please um i'd like to go back real quick and i don't have it verbatim but what's interesting is the ghost host narration

before you go in it's like says like the spirits are your sympathetic vibrations oh yeah like they're receiving them yeah so it almost like says like they feel you coming they're like into your vibe they kind of like like what you're putting out there and they're willing to show up now and make themselves visible that's sort of the read i get from it am i wrong well these are the first like human uh shaped ghosts there's other there's like up until this point it's the knocking on the doors and eerie eyes on the wallpaper and a guy trying to get out of a uh out of a coffin but there's not we don't see a bunch of ghosts right per se full-on transparent translucent right so but so they're really like you know you have You guys have a really good energy

We're really feeling good about you So like we will allow you To watch us frolic We will allow you All the stuff we do nightly We'll give you a little peek If you want It's a long way

For the ghosts to say They're cool Let them be They're cool So the ghost house Really should be like they're cool don't worry no no no no well you can have an eternal duel in front of these people don't worry they're cool they won't freak he he said he also says they'll be assembling for a

swinging week they'll be expecting me i'll see you all a little later so he has to make an appearance he's like sorry man sorry i had to cut out somewhere to go yeah sorry to bail sorry you're gonna be on your own for a bit don't worry hang on good right you're cool do you need anything it would be nice is there i don't know if there's a protocol for jumping way ahead for referencing something in many rooms from now. Like if you'll excuse the what's jumping, like if you'll excuse the. But like it's like being very forward. If you'll excuse my forwardness. Okay, that's good. Yeah.

Well, if you'll excuse my forwardness. One thing that I like is that then, if you'll excuse my forwardness. One thing that I like is that then you really do lose the ghost host for a while. And then it's many scenes without him until that. Well, you almost forgot about him. And then I really like the tone of that. Yeah. That conveys it's been a while. He's still happy to see me.

But the connection I made with him towards the beginning of the ride hasn't gone away. And he's kind of trying to soft scare you in that point. It's a little scary. But it's soft. It's soft scare. So, yeah. Yeah. He gets out of there.

He gets out of there for two of the best scenes in the ride. So I think they were like, well, these things can stand on their own. We don't need... You know, it's kind of like, ultimately, Rise of the Resistance and Lieutenant Beck, who we love so much and is mainly just in

audio for quite a while. And then we lose track of him and then at the end, he comes back and you're so happy to see him again. You don't really see the ghost host per se, although that's in question, I guess what is the ghost host or not, but it's, I guess a similar format.

Like they, they're willing to say like, you were going to narrate you through this part, but if you're for a couple of scenes, you could just enjoy it for a while. Yeah. So yeah, it is a similar thing.

Those might be, by the way, are those my two favorite theme park character? I mean, I guess I'd have to put rex at the top but like um in terms of narration i mean i think i have similar fondness for ghost host and lieutenant beck oh interesting it just makes me happy to say the names to think of them as a pair to think of them hanging out yeah that's a good question um i mean i like would you put Old Prospector from

Big Thunder even though he doesn't have as much Nearly as much to do I wouldn't for that reason I don't think I get a good picture Of him although I like that voice over very much So he needs okay so for in this Category you'd have to have You know a decent lengthy Amount where you're featured

There's some either some shaping The story or a very genuine You're a guide through it with an arc and surprising appearances and reappearances. Hondo Inaka, does he fit in the same category? Because he's featured fairly heavily. I like him a lot, but what I don't like is that then the taste that I go out on,

the taste that is left in my mouth is him saying like and you did badly here and here and here and after my cut right uh you did quite now enter a hallway that is uh with flickering lights because of what you did and that's also maybe he's faked you out thinking there's another fun adventure when he go something is out there and you go oh wow moments in any ride ever is that the oddest moment in ride history you think like a fourth act is starting and then there yeah like an alien's gonna oh something's out there it's an employee and they're ushering you away and then i guess so it's not at yeah i wouldn't put him in the top three i think my number number three would be Gary Sinise in Mission Space. Guides.

I think I'm talking about guides. Maybe. Is it right? Is that a different category? Is Rex a guide? I don't know. Yeah, he's a guide, even though he is like flying a plane. But he's also sort of your guide as well.

He's doing both. Well, then they're the top three. Rex is like a skipper on a jungle cruise but it's a spaceship so yeah i think i see what you're saying yeah um good guides so great guy ghost host leaves i will say this is a criticism i've talked about this before the sexy and we've talked i forget the gentleman's name the sexy ghost host who is the the spanish speaking brazos yes yeah and his ghost that's where we shouted last year yeah yeah and now i'm sorry the information's out of the information out of my brain uh listen to last year's episode

he's great um i almost wish he was a little bit more involved too because i kind of miss the sexy ghost sexy spanish ghost host as well yeah um on the ride um and the guy i well i don't have to say anything if i'm staying where we are essentially but i did you know this was alluded to in the muppets haunted mansion episode uh and i knew it would be a pause here but i think it is a good place to say in terms of voices in the attraction i do really like the safety warning when the ride has to stop which you hear almost every time you go there you get stuck somewhere briefly i'd say in almost every ride or at least every other time you go on the

haunted mansion is that a correct assessment uh yes yeah and probably the most specific like narrow haunted mansion reference in that muppets haunted mansion movie yes yeah yeah that was a good old nerdy little like and and a nod to the theme parkiness of it and not just the narrative um you know what i i realized i don't think we really touched on on that the cameo in that special from kim irvine we did not mention that because it i think i was writing something down when she first came on screen and i heard piggy go like come on kim or thanks kim and i was like what is this what is this scene what is this kim character and jane was like it's kim irvine what are you talking about like and i was like oh i yeah uh of course

i like that being said i like that that is a thing said uh sort of annoyed jason it's kim irvine yeah i mean she she has her waning tolerance sometimes for like i don't i don't want to hear about theme parks anymore uh for a little for today for today oh i got to see that declared at your birthday which did delight me her declaration we are no longer talking about theme parks tonight you can imagine i was i'm if you can imagine before that sometimes i yeah and sometimes i had to i i think i had been talking about disney genie uh too much we just launched today um but i i i'm glad it was nice of them to you know get kim irvine in there of course her connection to madame leota and everything with her mother and her longtime imagineer and um she's always she's she's in she was in charge of like the snow

or one of the people in charge of the snow white overhaul at disneyland and the castle when they were like repainting the castle and stuff and anytime she does an article she's like so like she really cares about the history of disneyland yes and she also seems like she's terrified of all the fans being mad at a change. That's true. But my thing with her cameo is I thought it was nice, but I was like, well, they didn't really give her anything to do.

You wanted more of a full thing because sometimes they do that like cute thing where it's like a little nod and it just like, it's a brief mention. You know what? I am sometimes underwhelmed by cameos like that. And I'd be like, give him a little more to do. Even just like an it's a living kind of gag.

So you want... She needs to say it's a living. She needs to say it's a living. She has to say... That would have landed really well. Yeah, she has to do the joke from the Flintstones. In the Haunted Mansion, the Muppets. We're already two properties deep,

but now it's the Flintstones Muppets Haunted Mansion sure jason's walked me into trying to like have to disagree with him now about what i just agreed when i'm like yes they should do more so she should look at the screen park okay of it uh she should she should or could she like you know what she should okay here we go let's brainstorm on this. She should be like changing something around in the room. This is real inside baseball. She should be trying to think of a new way to like sort of showcase a scene or a room in the mansion. And then she turns to the camera and she says, please don't be mad at me. And she's talking to all the Disney fans in that moment.

Or Miss Piggy says, Oh, watch it for this Twitter. There's certain Twitter accounts that are going to be very upset. Are you to this too? Was this change too woke? Kim, is this too woke, Kim? Kim's just like close above her, like stressed out. That's kind of what's insane about people being mad at Kim Irvine.

This was even pre those kinds of the like wokeness changes. Oh, yeah. Boy, if she thought discourse was crazy in 2005. Yeah, sure. Boy, buckle up for everything. You'll be begging for people yelling at you from changing it from Helvetica to Helvetica Bold. If you thought people screamed at you when you put other different kinds of little dolls in the ride full of little dolls. Yeah.

Guess what? The internet has only gotten more insane, Kim. We're all mad now. That one really is like, I like to go to Disneyland, and I like to see Mickey Mouse, and I like to go on the ride with the little dolls. Oh, well, you know what? They put Mickey Mouse on the ride with the little dolls, and he looks like a little doll. No! Get the fuck out of here!

I want to find out who thought of that, and I want to harass them for doing it for months. Well, I am packing my bags and getting my copy of Catcher in the Rye and going right to that ride. The little doll. We did touch on the little doll controversy. I think forever ago. I'm sure we did, but...

Yeah, if you don't know, we're talking about insane small world what 15 years ago uh just added tiny little doll versions of the disney characters and a certain section of the audience was furious because uh they don't belong there i guess i don't know i'm not sure i think they were maybe thinking it would be like full-size mickey mouse just on small world but i don't know. They added... I don't think I'd care about that either. Yeah, it was pretty subtle.

Yeah, you know what? That would be awesome. Yeah, I know. If Mickey Mouse was just hanging out in like a giant Mickey. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's on one of the little carousels with them.

Is there a ride where they could add a giant Mickey and you'd be upset? Not me, no. Well, maybe this. Maybe Haunted Mansion. I don't think I'd be upset. That might take me out of it a little hmm where were we where'd you put them in the haunted mansion maybe up on a chandelier maybe i'm just thinking it was we're in that room but huh you you know in the spirit of compromise i'll say it's one of the very old kind of creepy looking original mickey mouse dolls oh with the nightmare mice well with all the shapes

are all weird everything's like like holes or like like well the dolls they used to sell where he's a little more oval shaped and kind of like like is it oval but it's pointed a big black eyes of death yeah and it was like the great depression so it was like this is as good as we're getting you know he was like malnourished mickey yeah kind of like beat up mickey that i think okay that would be creepy then we're getting into the haunted doll territory and i like that yeah i'm with you there a scary mickey mouse doll somewhere in the haunted man i'm not saying they should actively go do this but if it happened if you went on the haunted mansion sometime there's a mickey there how mad would you be i would love it yeah uh what if mickey's hand is reaching up through the dirt and a grave and it's a glove yeah yeah comes up through the dirt it's

kind of beaten up like he's been down there for decades and again the glove is a rip like really ripped and it's a little bloody so like you knew something bad happened maybe no you know what not decades it's fresh he just got buried alive whoa something just happened that's like art in a magazine that's like art in the atlantic or the economist of like oh is the disney company floundering and it's like mickey coming out of the oh they would have done that if the corporate raiders had bought up the company in the 80s. Are you saying it's more like a Dismaland pitch, perhaps? Or just like there was a Kim Masters article in the Hollywood Reporter recently where it's like, all right, the Iger lieutenants and the JPEG lieutenants are all off the record talking shit about the other ones. Oh, I love that article.

Yeah. I read that whole thing. Do you read that, Scott? No. You got to read the article okay you'll you'll thrill at the dozen people who gave you know uh rumors and gossip on background if you like hearing or reading phrases like bob chapek's lieutenants bob chapek installs his loyal lieutenants. Then you're going to love this

article. You like the phrase data driven? Well, this is your Friday night, man. J. Peck getting, is he taking on like Scientology tactics? Maybe, yeah. He's making people dress in nautical uniforms my lieutenants you see that's right yeah yes he's yeah it's all boat it's all boat based now at the walt disney company uh that's why they're moving every all the imaginers to a lake because it's gonna be a big boat like nona jason's least favorite place on planet earth like nona i well it's gonna be a big boat i apologize apologize. I apologize. And I told you, like, we discussed it off air, and I came to the conclusion, like, oh, Lake Nona is a neighborhood,

not just the name of this weird prefab development. You thought it was like an office park. I thought it was. Well, I mean, what they're building is like a mixed-use living work office park. But the area, Lake Nona, that's a town that people, that probably listeners of the show live in. I have no beef with Lake Nona now that I have learned the full. Well, okay.

How can I politely, is there a polite way to apologize, Jason, for that little jab? I just look at him. At me? Yeah. I just needled you there. Apologies for the needling, sir. Oh, no, that's okay.

Okay. All is forgiven. Thank you. I appreciate that. water under the lake all right next to the lake next to the tarmac understood uh okay where were we where were we where there's the fireplace i mean do we do we let's talk about pickwick probably well yeah let's move sure we can we can move up yeah we'll go into the up and then we'll maybe later come back we'll talk about john henry there's too many plans for me okay

let's talk about the north all right side pickwick and the their their sheet goes up there next to them too yeah there's multiple beings up on the chandeliers. I don't know why they don't have names. They don't have names. Somebody described them as like an ancient Roman soldier. Is that correct? Yeah, they're kind of, this is like promotional images from when it first opened. And they look a little, he looks a little Roman. He looks kind of like a generic soldier.

They're, of of course painted blue you forget i forget at least that a lot of these animatronics are painted the sort of ghostly fluorescent colors yes and then lights specific lights are shined on them to give right mostly but they're up there next to pickwick and pickwick is i feel like pickwick just because of his placement doesn't get the play that other jovial fun characters in theme park lore get obviously the hardcore is no Pickwick but I think it's easy to miss Pickwick yeah because of his placement and you can't he's also blue and he's being projected off so you don't get a clear vision of him he's not as close as the hat box goes so Pickwick you don't necessarily know oh that's a fun loving guy that

i should have a lot of affection for unless you're maybe even just looking on the internet and you know the mansion lore i think it took looking into this more i can't say that i specifically knew about pickwick previously um the i like when you look him up and the basic synopsis you get is that he is a plump dickensian ghost yes a delightful description of a character yes yeah i saw that as well i delighted in it uh what's his real his full name erasmus cromwell pickwick it is that's what it said erasmus i think is how you pronounce it and uh pickwick uh it's debated is pickwick a nod to the pickwick papers the first dickens novel people also mentioned that pickwick gardens here in burbank a combination banquet halls bowling alley ice rink in between walt disney studios and walt

disney imagineering and glendale may also have been an inspiration yeah they called it pickwick center I said it called pickwick center but that pickwick bowl i think over here it's just sold am i correct oh no really i think so for townhouses it seems like no no no everything everything has to be i like how you heard sold and that you didn't immediately assume townhouses which is what everything gets turned into yeah yeah i know also you know it's cool is always already filled with listener uh townhouses yeah it was not like oh we're building uh they're you know they're bowling alley yeah uh they're building what's it called the place in downtown disney uh splitsville thank you yeah uh no no it's townhouses in that cool old bowling alley with

like it's there's a ton of stuff in there and people have parties there and well it's where i was trying to plan a nice fun baby shower back in march of 2020 that was my personal the thing that had to go away when everything went away and then there was the so there's the email to everybody like all right we're just gonna push this two weeks and then two weeks passed and i didn't feel the need to send another email i think everyone understood the code by then so uh i now i'm very sad that pickwick uh this is a character who's the epitome of fun, I assume, from the very little information about him. Now he makes me think of a baby shower that couldn't happen and boring townhouses that are getting built. So, yeah, you will see when you every time you go through the mansion and you see him on the chandelier, you'll think of COVID.

I think I might. Yeah. The early day, the beginnings of the pandemic. Uh-huh. Well, that's not fair to port esmoth's pick what is the name esmoth's cromwell quick it's an update they should do there's people there's ghosts of all eras in the mansion and maybe they should throw in a couple of covet ghosts in there too okay modern looking people who died in well the 2020s look they've got a

phone with them kim is in charge of some of this stuff so maybe we just yeah talk to her just as a nod to what we've all been through i think people would appreciate it some covid ghosts yeah i think we've talked about before yeah where these ghosts are from and exactly they don't really tell you exactly like it's it's too in the past you know that's why you can enjoy ghosts. You can only enjoy past ghosts. There's like a hundred year, like a hundred-ish years where you go, oh, now it's a ghost and that's fun and you don't get depressed. There's not like a, I'm trying to think how to pin a ghost to an era.

There's not a ghost with like Gordon Gekko slicked back hair and a big cell phone. There's not a ghost or you know the era now you're actually talking now you're making a better case for more recent ghosts yeah i think that'd be cool just throw in like five like a ghost from each decade decade yeah yeah uh-huh so one of them died somebody who was on the plane with all the rock stars. The Day the Music Died? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Day the Music Died?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're talking about Big Bopper? Yeah. I have all of them. Richie Valens, Big Bopper. Yeah, why doesn't one be them? I was thinking to not make it one of their publicists or something. Am I, though, is that even such a thing?

Did other people die? I don't know. I forget. I think, didn't I say that that would be a good ride at a hard rock park oh yeah oh that's great well wait did you say the the the plane ride or did you say someone trying to get to the levee to find the levee was dry from the song the day the music died no no i think that was your pitch was just don mclean you mean wait you're saying america american pie american that's american pie the ride yeah american pie you get to actually see the going to the levee but the levee was dry it was dry and then you flip on like all right

well time to drive home let me flip on the radio oh no you get the news yeah and then the right and then it just kind of ends on a solemn note uh-huh it's a long ride though yeah it's a long ride there's some god stuff in there too yeah have you uh you found faith in the god above something like that yeah okay that's a good idea too when we get binkowski on here we have so much to pitch so much rock and roll stuff and then he'll pitch to us that we finance the new hard rock park and we'll all be so starstruck that we're with the founder of hard rock park we'll say yes anything mr binkowski sir and then we're now we're like all the money we have in the tank one month of patreon sir here it is is that enough okay at least to build it out of boxes or something yeah um anyway he's look pickwick's fun um this is a general thing about the room

i think to acknowledge about the grand hall i really love this particular uh part of the movement of like i don't know what the the correct music terminology but like this little section of the grim grinning ghosts suite that now we've we've heard the song uh you know like creepy and meandery and organ and now we're hearing it as this creepy waltz which has such like discordant like as that verse goes on some of those notes are like crazy atonal right it's a little it's like sounding a little experimental that's some like that's some kooky music for sure it's yeah atonal and then sometimes we're like the original melody you know the note go it goes like a step down or a full step down uh it goes up you know they take do different there's different

sort of notes plugged in a little bit which is very unsettling as you describe that that's part of the feel of like just being like tossed around at this in this creepy carnival atmosphere um that's cool um so yeah i had that thought as well listening to this buddy baker did the music but not the like the the lyrics of the song were existentia but the instrumental and i think the arrangements was buddy baker um it's just great music through and maybe this is my favorite iteration although of course the ending um sorry to be so forward but the the like true part with lyrics is a lot of fun uh yeah no i think i think if it's any part, I don't know, it's hard to beat the first time you hear it, the slow version. If I may go backward, when you come into the mansion, when you first hear it, I think maybe that's the number one version of, or yeah, the number one way i like to hear the song number two probably full grim

grinning ghosts like jig but the waltz is the waltz is up there third maybe third if i had to rank the ways i hear grim different sections of grim grinning Yeah. I ended up on Wikipedia for the song, and there's Buddy Baker asked a film organist named Gaylord Carter to, he did the other organ tracks as well. So that first one that you're describing, the organ was played by this guy, and then he basically described what you're saying, this sort of atonal all over the place,

you don't know where it's going, just like improvise over this uh this carnival this waltz uh not beat whatever this music bed that i made and he did one and it was too like uh simple or like not cracked out enough like he had to go to a different organist who was less a perfect by the rules organist and say just go crazy on this it should be so unsettling and avant-garde um that's pretty cool i never i've not thought about this music being composed yeah that's a good point and like sort of the the wild swings they had to take somebody was more of a tradition they should have gone to like in the i'm trying to think who today they would have gone to like trey Anastasio from Fish or something.

You know, somebody really a noodler, a real noodler, like that type of musician. Have they ever played, are they the kind of band that would play Grim Grinning Ghosts? Have bands played Grim Grinning Ghosts? Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, we know Buckethead. We've brought Buckethead up on the show before. Buckethead, a solo musician who wears a KFC bucket on his head. He has played, I think, the House of Blues at Downtown Disney And done Groom Grinning Ghosts

And a couple other things He was also briefly in Guns N' Roses when Axl Had the rest of the band kicked out But yeah he's played it for sure It looks like Fish has played Groom Grinning Ghosts Yeah that makes sense to me The Barenaked Ladies have covered Groom Grinning Ghosts as well There's a Barenaked Ladies cover that's pretty like that's the kind of the end version of it

uh very bouncy ska bands for sure must have especially those orange county ones we talked about with jordan moore i have to imagine yeah makes sense so there's yeah probably so many covers of it um but yeah i like the obviously the horncast the fright theme and stuff is all based on this thing our own buddy baker mike carlson our own buddy buddy baker of that guest the ride baker i think that's good right yeah i think so um obviously musically it's good i'm just you know i don't know pass that maybe was he nice i just want to make sure if he's nice or not. That's what you're saying. That's not on the Wikipedia. I'm concerned if I'm being...

Yeah, that should be one of the things. Does Buddy Baker have a controversy section on his Wikipedia? That should just be on Wikipedia when it lists age and where they're from. It should just say nice, and then it'll say yes or no. I just would like... It would be good to know. He was the musical director On Bob Hope's radio show So if you get along

Well with Bob Hope You gotta be A very nice guy That's a good point He probably was Okay so great Great Oh he

You know he did the music For you know that scary When Disney started Putting out VHS's And there's that like Laser Mickey Do you know what I'm Talking about

It's like a neon outline That is so frightening Although I'm just One of those people Who is scared of Every VHS logo That ever existed I think I know what i'm talking about it's like a neon outline that is so frightening although i'm just one of those people who is scared of every vhs logo that ever existed you're talking but he did the music for that definitely anything like that those those just frightening company logos always which would often would have some just weird sound like and i and i was i just didn't know i was three years old and i didn't know what they were like why how come i watch a movie and then there's all these things uh-huh yeah i know i know what

you're saying it's just like the time yeah what if we google that i want to see to know exactly what you're talking about well i'm assuring you that googling laser mickey gives you a lot of etsy results for engraved and etched items. All right, well, we'll do that off air. We'll figure that out. If I may cut in,

if we could take a step back, not chronologically, but a step to the bigger picture and talk about this room as the world's largest

Pepper's Ghost installation. Yes. John Henry Pepper invented invented uh uh was a professor a scientist yes uh may i cut in immediately uh because john he of course is do we talk about this before where he kind of like stole the uh idea he's taken sole credit well he's taking credit oh yeah there's like five other people who are also doing ghosts theatrical effects around this time.

But like it was Pepper and then what guy's name is Henry Dirks? Dirks, yeah. Henry Dirks was kind of the guy who kind of came up with the idea. And from what I was reading, John Henry Pepper was more of like an entertainment scientist. Someone who cared more about theatricality and thought that was a better way to teach people on you know like a bill nye of his day or a beekman of his day if you will so mr pepper was a like he he liked to you know he was a science guy i guess we call him but he's more of a science guy and uh i think that at a certain point they had both they had

both like were uh with, you know, I think they both, whatever you would do, patent or whatever this idea. But then at a certain point it kind of became solely credited to Pepper. And then Henry was pissed. Ah. He was mad. He felt like he got shut, like shut out of the credit.

And I guess to this day, he's right. Yeah. If he had a lot to do with it. I think it's named after the guy, after a guy. But the If he had a lot to do with it. I think it's named after a guy. But the guy who maybe didn't come up with the fundamental idea of it. Yeah. No, and to add insult to injury, he didn't get payments for the patent. Because so many other people have been like, hey, I've been doing a traveling phantasmagoria show for 10 years with a ghost man.

Like everyone went, no, no no i'm not using your technology i'm using their technology yeah so there was a lot of traveling ghost shows this this era this is so confusing to me or just hard to picture that like it's like optical pre-digital pre-relect like largely not pre-electricity but pretty like lots of electricity you know what i'm saying lantern shows and mysticism is the rise of mysticism falls right around this this time period because everyone was curious about the afterlife and like modern medicine still a little down the road so everyone's just like oh you can stub your toe oh you're fucked goodbye it was nice knowing you gangrene is coming for

your ingrown toe ass well so yeah i was looking up like can i find some pepper stuff i didn't know and he was like he he did start to i I think people were going, all right, we've seen Pepper's Ghost. Yes, we know about it. Right. You need some other tricks up your sleeve. Or not tricks, but, you know, serious science demonstrations up your sleeve. I somewhere saw that he, one of the things that he did in his show, this I don't think was the closer, but along the way would uh turn a dog into a string of sausages i'm not sure how i don't like to see it jason's here my interest now they have my attention

that's what you do mentally to us uh if you're bored by what we're saying, if I'm just getting real hungry, but that, so that's weird. But then he, he had a big stint of convincing, trying to convince people that he could do a rain making. Like he was touring Australia a lot. A lot of his act was done in Australia and he did a big rain making demonstration in a town that was suffering an

immense drought and so people did genuinely turn their hopes to the man who invented this ghost effect maybe he can make rain come to our town that's so sorely needed and he'll do it using this big science kite it was like it was referred to in a real book. I was looking at as a scientific kite. The scientific kite was too heavy and it didn't even get off the ground, much less create rain from the sky. So this was a bit and think this was part of like a maybe a bigger collapse for mr pepper because he also there was another guy touring as you were alluding there's they had competitors these kinds of optical magic guys yeah and there's another guy named professor

anderson the great wizard of the north. And he started attracting audience away from Professor Pepper in Brisbane. The Brisbaneers are more interested in seeing the great wizard of the North because his tricks included beheading ladies. Great. Turning boys into pumps. What? I don't know what that means. Like a water pump?

I guess. Okay. Like dogs and sausage. I understand understand that's like a thing in a cartoon but a boy and a pump are those like shoes um maybe i don't think they were calling shoes pumps probably in those days possibly um couldn't tell you and And now I will change a boy into shoes. Marcus is now a Manolo. But then also, like, what's Pepper supposed to do? Because Professor Anderson would give people gifts for coming to the show. Like suites of furniture, horses, coffee sets, and gold watches. I now question whoever wrote what I just read. Why wouldn't a horse be the end?

All you have to do is come to this magic show and you will get a horse. You own a horse now. To say nothing of the gold watch or like the couch. I don't know how you're getting the couch back on horseback. That's as desperate as Six Flags giving away that crazy meal plan where you get three square meals a day if you buy an annual pass. Did you see that viral tweet about somebody running into a woman who went to Six Flags every day,

having gotten that pass and ate all her meals at the Six Flags? Yes. It's not a bad idea if you live right there and you're on a budget. It's crazy, but it's not. If you work at the Sunkist building like you're set like pop over swing by for breakfast it's assuming that sun kit the sun kissed headquarters that are next to magic mountain that's assuming that there aren't immense sun kissed perks or where they might be so loaded up on juice oh yeah there's so they're set as it is well there's not a lot of

other options but outside of that office park. I mean, maybe they have a cafeteria, but there's the Wendy's and the Six Flags, and you kind of got to go a little farther. I think, though, nothing, like, the only way that would be, I think, better, that's like, it would have to be closer than my kitchen. Like, if the amusement park is closer. Yeah. I don't know what would make, or I would have to not have a kitchen maybe yeah that's a good point i mean it's still like i'm trying to

think like if universal had we live very very close to universal right now but it's still like is it worth like say they had the same deal you can get three meals at universal every day jason okay let's ask jason well i have to say when i was uh living at the oakwoods in college the apartment buildings right down the street from universal and i had a universal badge because i was an intern at a production company on the back lot i would go over tuesday nights almost every tuesday night for dollar fish taco night at city walk at rubio's when there was a rubio's fish tacos up there you were right there though but and that was only once a week say your annual are you paying for but you do it was the parking you didn't have to pay you

had a badge okay all right well that's pretty good that's a good deal all right let me quickly quickly do i do this yeah okay you live where you live now which is very close to universal sure very close will i give the address or street i wish you wouldn't okay i won't uh but it's very close you say you have an annual pass 250 a year let's say parking included so you can get pretty close up there you get let's say 300 and every day every day a year you could go up there and have three meals there's three hours between meals you can't get them immediately back to back and like take them back how often do you think you would utilize this pass with a free meal be like really

just like think about it how you think two to three times a week okay for one meal or would you hang out up there i think some days i would hang out between meals and work on my laptop if i'm just researching in this scenario i'm working on my laptop if i'm just researching in this scenario i'm working on the podcast if i'm just pulling professional podcaster professional podcast reading the searle book yeah bring this book yeah okay so two to three times a week okay that's like that makes sense what if there was like a like very good filling sensible breakfast but you had to go all the way down it's next to transformers you're all the way you're down all the escalators i really hate doing that track sometimes yeah okay i would this time of year

when the weather is mild it's fine oh for the heat that's your issue. Well, the heat and, yeah, the crowds, I think. Yeah. It's a little gnarly. I just did it for the first time successfully with my son, having to hold him the entire way down. I had taken him to Universal, but not to the lower lot, because that is a two-parent operation, because one has to have the stroller and one has to have the child.

And he, boy, he got so squirmy on every flight. Like, no, no, no, no. But he made it great. It ended up working out. I can't say I'm going to do it super regularly. But as we talk about food and I guess beverage at that park, here's a declaration that me and everybody I was with, my friends Tyler and uh uh they have this

at florida as well i had it down in florida they have it in hollywood uh the uh wait is it the island new bar it's the island new bar is the place but the island new blar still spelled the full way ipa island new blar ipa we all declared it the best beer in theme parks in any of them all of them go give it a try it's a big haul you got to get down to the bottom uh you know and it's on the fruitier end you might dig it mike but not like so crazily uh we were we were all in agreement on this point so there's a take that i'm gonna i'm gonna lock in they might not have it forever so i'm just uh to any listeners very enthusiastic about that beer loves it in florida Florida. Loves it here. How do you feel about IPAs in general? Because they got very overexposed in the 2010s.

I think not to me. I think I've only recently been drinking it. And I think it's very drinkable, fruity, as I said. I almost wouldn't even think about what kind it was. So it's not overpoweringly ipa ish i don't think i like i like a little fruity i like the two ends of this session ipa which is a lot less alcohol or double ipa which is a lot more alcohol but very herbally very earthy this is like almost i think it's seven percent or something okay that's about average i think yeah yeah so if they could like

thicken it for you like thicken the well no i'll drink regular ipa sure but it was like a double you're saying i guess i don't really have much experience with double i actually like ipa a lot yeah like you got ipa and i'm immediately like my like taste buds are like yeah give me that i like for some reason ipa specifically not beer ipa does something to my taste buds i don't know some people down there let's all go down there sure i lost my annual pass at horror night oh no wait i lost it yeah that didn't service you were already being you you had so much shame to coming into that episode with you didn't want to throw that one out yeah no i lost i think on the exorcist line i lost it

oh boy first of all, okay. Yeah, I was going to end up being. Now, priest. Real quick. By loosening the rules, now this is going to end up being three hours. It's going to be, yeah, we're three hours. But real quick, real quick. That shitty little piece of shitty paper.

Oh yeah. For your universal annual pass. What, at this point in 2021. Is it still the paper? It's not plastic? It's insane. Wow. Yeah.

It fades like after after two uses. You take it out of your pocket, and you're like, you can barely read anything on this thing. Do you have it on your phone? I don't think so. Maybe you can. Maybe I'm behind, but it's crazy. It's the flimsiest thing in my wallet. Of course.

It's like, I'm trying to think what it was. It's like you're carrying your social security card on you that you've had since you were a child baby yes it's like that flimsy basically i mean the paper is a little bit more uh sturdy but it the ink is rubbing off constantly like i've only had it for like two months and i could barely even see it at that point and then i just lost it because it's too fun i don't know what i was doing anyway i'm annoyed i don't think i have a hard disney pass the magic i think it is only on my phone yeah yeah do they not even give you one i don't think so i don't think that i mean did you get your box yet did you get a box your welcome box was that in the lounge uh no they mail it to you you're a you

know if you if you register within the first 66 days, you get a box. I don't have a box. What do you mean? They're still shipping out. They still have it. Oh, okay. Wait, so you don't have your box? I don't have a box.

Okay, phew. We're Mickey's little key kids. Yeah. We want our boxes, Mickey. We want little Mickey boxes. Okay, let's, all right. Let's keep going. Let's move forward.

The hearst, I guess, would be the next thing. The hearst bursting through the door. In terms of little scene-lets in the room, in the grand hall. The hearst? You mean that William Randolph hearst? I'm sorry, I'm saying... I wrote it down wrong.

I did write that wrong. Shut this down. Shut this party down. No fun will be had here. Kool-Aid manning its way into the room. William Randolph first as the Kool-Aid man. Bursting into the room. Anyway, sorry.

The hearse. The hearse. Yes. Bursting into the room. There is an early Mark Davis concept art of ghosts arriving to the event out of a hearse. But this is a little more like, yeah, the hearse is bursting into the room and ghosts are getting out of it. That is a real quick transition, though, from dead in the hearse to party. Don't you feel like there's a longer transition you have to make in the afterlife

apparently not but i guess let's get right to it i guess you're right i could die and go right to that ballroom party because like you don't even have to get like processed through i guess if you're not in heaven or hell you're in you have unfinished business because it's a casper rule oh yeah so i guess their unfinished business was we haven't partied enough. Yeah. Which I guess is fucking cool. Yeah. Go eat all, they need to eat more cake. Yeah.

More ghost cake. I like the idea of it, but it is funny because it's like, driver, take us back to where we were hanging out before. It's like, okay. Dead, huh? Let's find some ghost parties. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.

I'm on board with that. Has Andrew Wk covered grim grinning ghosts what do we think i don't know i can look it up all right um jason you have more thoughts about no i just think it's it's nice there's ghosts in between that and the big uh table the big table um if we want to talk, quickly move into the table. Well, may I cut in? Yes. I want to talk, there's a, they have this, the gag, whatever you'd call it, I keep calling things gags, the effect where, like, you know, the ballroom

dancers are kind of spinning in a circle, and then they're basically just, you know, dummies on a circular mechanism that's twirling them around. Lazy Susan. A a lazy big lazy soon it's probably not accurate but sure but kind of yeah i mean similar uh but there is that same effect going on over um with a couple different characters that are nameless over by the um by the fireplace and one of the characters has a giant like captain crunch style hat on do you

know what i'm talking about i i yeah i kind of know what you're talking about again this is like right in the periphery of your vision so right scott you know what i'm talking about i can't quite picture there's captain i should have gotten a good picture of him but there's a captain crunch ghost basically yeah and i'm fascinated by him because he's got that big like old time generals hat on and i should find a picture of it here there's a lot of military kind of ghosts, a lot of various eras. The Roman soldier on the chandelier.

Yeah, the captain down there. Well, you only didn't say about in the Pepper's Ghost Effect, the set that you are seeing is also replicated offstage where the actual physical animatronics are in matte black and it matches exactly yeah so basically there's a there's a big piece of glass which to this day i go through that room and i don't see the glass yeah yeah i never said i i know my brain knows all glad there's glass there and that's what you're seeing a reflection the ghost appearing it's a reflection but i don't see the glass i don't never see it someone shot it once was that true someone brought a small caliber rifle into the park and shot it like the snowflakes in

inner space and then they shot the glass like cracked the glass that happened in inner space too they they fired at those snow like snowflake kind of things yeah whoa and then which that's crazy you could just get a gun in there at that time and then in florida a few years ago oh really like the guy's gun fell out on like a dinosaur i think something like that yeah um you probably wouldn't have been like you get scared on that ride if you had a gun with you you might be you might feel a little more secure oh you're saying i should bring a gun the picture of how terrified i still am that thing yells at you yeah maybe no maybe i don't

it doesn't have to be loaded just like i hold it for confidence you'd feel so confident i think and not way more nervous about the gun going off. Not like Barney Fife on an episode of Andy Griffith where his hands are just nervously shaking. Oh, Andy. Yeah, no, I wouldn't be like that at all. This is one of those weird, like, snopey, like, it is a real thing and that they didn't, it was like they you would have to airlift in a new pane of glass it is so massive yeah so how could they possibly it's like that rides down for years if they wanted to replace it entirely and then somebody said why don't you just drape a cobweb

that's what happened and that now i don't know where that is i i i don't have any sense of where the bullet hole hiding cobweb is in the ride. It was there for a while. Who knows if it's still there. I mean, at this day and age, they could have figured out a way to seal it like a little cleanly.

Um, I, are you still, are you looking up Andrew W? Where are you at? Oh, I, I know he has not done grim green ghost.

I'm trying to find a picture of this captain, but this, this version, they only showed there's a lady with kind of an umbrella that floats around in that same loop. And then there's another guy kind of has a bowler hat as well, who I like the look of him. But Captain Crunch Ghost is not there. So are you saying that there's a matching set so all the like you're up on the second level of the scene and all the the ghost animatronics are under you um so are you saying that there's like oh like in the case of the one in the chair yeah so like the rocking chair this is like the her um sitting in a matte black rocking chair and so that so then that you from your point of view it looks like she's sitting

in a real rocking chair and i think it's so that the gleam of the object doesn't like upstage her so like there's like it kind of replaces it in the a lot of this is like how the mind processes these reflections wow wow um and then so how does it work when because there's characters at a at a table so but there's not a table over there but is there anything is there like a black facsimile of a facsimile of it there's there's actually a good video i should find the link to it That kind of shows off these What look like really like Underground pictures Like we shouldn't be looking at this

Yeah Like because it looks Oh I found one here Oh this is crazy Yeah it's like It is like black box Theater decor Yeah

But it looks like They're at a big They're involved in front of a big black box It's really crazy And it looks grimy Yeah Yeah Because the stuff on the plates They're involved in front of a big black box. It's really crazy. And it looks grimy. Yeah. Yeah. Because the stuff on the plates, like the woman at the head of the table is blowing out the candles on the cake.

And the ghosts appear and reappear. But the stuff on their plates also appear and reappear. Oh, is that right? Items on the plate? I think. I'm being shown. I think some stuff appears and reappears. Some stuff is just there permanently.

I'm trying to show you Captain Crunch Ghosts. It's not possible to get a good screenshot. He's like down in this corner here. There he is. Oh, I see. Okay, okay. I mean, it's like a Napoleon sort of... Yeah, that's a good better way to put it, I suppose. If you want to go with a famous guy

and not a cereal box mascot i'm still not getting the name of the hat right yeah no does anyone know yet the name of captain crunches and napoleon's hat we don't need to know these kinds of things anymore there he is oh sure yeah jason you know what kind of hat that is i know that is that like what uh like a general would wear or something back in the day? What was Napoleon's rank? Seeing it as a bicorn hat? A bicorn?

A bicorn, maybe. Or a naval cocked hat. Might be a naval cocked hat. Boy, both of those things are good. It's a cocked bicorn. It's a cocked bicorn it's a cock it's a cocked bicorn got it even even the footage you just showed i forget that that's where the old lady in the rocking chair is because again there's so much going on in here she's like right next to the fireplace yes and then as i said there's like

a lady with an umbrella there's a bowler hat guy all in that little loop with the bicorn. Bicorn. Cocked bicorn. Cocked hat, yeah. Is that even right already if I lost it already? I think we've lost it already. Yeah. No, I think, yeah, it's a cocked bicorn. Cocked bicorn, yes.

Lady in the rocking chair is from Carousel of Progress. Yes. That is a re-create. And it's not the only reuse because because and now i don't remember which rumor if we well no we want to wouldn't have come across it already the the pirate auctioneer or the one of the dual one of the duelers is the and i think the other dueler is also a pirate wow wow which is pretty clever because it is reuse sure but it's an extremely different context and maybe if you're tying it all together it's uh ghosts of those characters or their descendants or something

maybe i mean you you set dress them the the the costuming the facial hair the hat like all the accoutrements are different that helps hide it yeah yeah for sure um i in this neck of the woods here's something that i think has not come up in any of the haunted mansion years prior although who knows so if you're somehow listening to this as a series yeah or if you're waiting to i'd like to think that there's a listener out there who's waiting to binge it until it's done like the way week to week you'll kind of like oh i'm gonna let all of succession air and then i'll watch all 10 in a row uh maybe maybe there's people who are in that case you're not hearing this uh let them know if you have a friend who's waiting to binge them all let them know i'm

thinking about them um but i apologize if i brought this up before but um okay so there's a couple i mean there's a lot of good specials i guess where you get to see haunted mansion stuff up close and get closer to the ghosts uh there's this early right when it opened there was this thing with kurt russell and osmonds that's a pretty good ride through of the the mansion as it looked in in the 60s when it opened um but one of the one of the best ones i think where you get the most detail is the the 35th anniversary special in which it's a star studded special earnest is in it tony danza hosts it uh the muppets are in it and there is this long sequence with a kid

who goes on the haunted mansion who is scared his friends kind of peer pressure him but there is there's a pretty girl a pretty young girl who says here come along i'll do it with you this won't be so scary and if you guys watch this thing do you know what i'm talking about i i feel like that that setup they used i i feel like i've seen that setup before and it could have just been a re-air of this special like recycled channel like i mean yeah it's a very stock where like a spoiler the girl who he goes on the ride with at some point he turns and looks away and then looks back and the girl is gone uh she was a ghost um but i i bring it up because um these these actors who were in the sequence got to dance on the floor of the ball

like they're doing the ride from the doom buggies but then she kind of like snaps her fingers and then they're down there on the ballroom floor next to the ghosts. So everybody involved in making this thing got to know how it worked and got to be next to the ghosts. This whole sequence is fun. Charlie Fleischer is in it, the voice of Roger Rabbit, playing a scary Haunted Mansion guy. The crazy thing about it, though, that I'm leaving out is the bookends to this because it's this long, just like a six-minute journey through the Haunted Mansion

where you see every scene and follow this young kid uh to the point where when it loops back around to the end you forgot the initial bookend was this character is woody from cheers in this all-star special and this is the cold open there's not even a title card saying the 35 years of it just starts like an episode of Cheers and all the characters except for Sam and either Diane or Rebecca, probably Rebecca at that point. They're all there and like they're talking about Disneyland,

Disneyland memories. And then Woody like, oh yeah, I went there one time. And he flashes to this story and that's all on multicam cheers set and then this is shot like a film that's one of the best things about this special it's always filmic uh uh you know looks at all these rides um but then this so you're watching this random kid actor and then at the end he takes the all that's left of the girl is her ribbon and he's like rubbing it on her on his face lovingly and then it flashes to woody from cheers shot multi-cam style rubbing up like a bar towel

on his face and fondly recalling this ghost girl he met which just combining the film and the video is crazy to me to begin with then also like i don't think cheers has supernatural stuff in the mythology otherwise um i don't think so but if you're i mean it's all the characters though you have to count this as as canon canon yeah young woody met a ghost girl and then told norm about it wow i have not seen this i this is i mean the whole special i think it is the best special uh filmed at the parks and it is it's very unfortunate that it's directed by john landis but he did he did a good job he set up the cameras good look i watched american werewolf for the first time a couple weeks ago it's good yeah my problems are not so much with the films he makes but rather with the

people he makes anyway moving on and the people he unmakes oh no oh no the shaking of ghosts uh uh check out uh check out the goat what are you dancing with the ghost one of the strangest short films uh ever made um and that i bring that up because that's kind of in the middle between the you know there's the table and then there's the ballroom dancing over here yeah does anyone do any particular dancers catch your eye or they all just kind of say it's sort of a it's hard to catch any details they have like different colored hair yeah there's like blue hair there's like regular hair there's like yellow well one moment please one i have more table stuff oh please of course yes but all right you may proceed

i have more tables oh one moment please i also have a few more uh pickwick pieces of information but jason please proceed with the table at the other end of the table um you know the the candles being blown out correspond with ghosts appearing and reappearing the other end of the table um you know the the candles being blown out correspond with ghosts appearing and reappearing the other end of the table there is literally this was pointed out in numerous places a great caesar's ghost like there is a ghost of a caesar of like a oh of an emperor like as in the phrase great caesar's ghost um uh another uh if you look closely under the table a ghost is sleeping under the table is sticking out from underneath the table now i've never caught that but when i was looking up when mike was describing this black box table yeah i clearly see these legs sticking

out that's really funny yeah i never noticed that either i'm wondering if that is again in great halls sometimes very far in the past some servants at night would roll out little you know pads would sleep in the great hall hmm under the table well just on the floor in the great i was thinking you were gonna say like sometimes people would drink too much that's what i'm assuming go under the table that could be the other that he had a little. I would think that's the gag. Yeah. I would think they wouldn't like just sleeping in the middle of a party. Yeah.

That would seem inappropriate. No, they'd be working the party. Yeah. So I think drunk. Yeah. Too much mead. Too much mead. That's probably what happened.

And the plates, it seems like there's people would rearrange the dinner plates to make a hidden mickey at one of the place settings uh it's debated whether the imagineers cared for that although in recent years it seems like they've loosened up a little they care they were mad they were like please don't fuss with the ride to like operation like please don't you mean like operation not the the legend years in gl please don't you mean like operation not the the engineers in glendale or in future like no no they would be upset if the people that are day-to-day keeping maintenance would do little things like that yeah there's story there are stories too of people like someone found uh photos under the plates like a photo of a person at the

part and it said like on the back it said this is my mother she died of cancer and we always had nice memories here please leave this photo and they snuck it to an operations person and left it because in a lot of those place settings there's a picture under there of what it should look like in case it needs to get cleaned or stuff right right right so you could like pay if like you see like a janitor outside the mansion you go hey buddy come over here i got 50 bucks for you i got something to slip into the mansion and they would go like oh okay maybe that's maybe what happened there's a transactional thing that's what i mean uh the of course the ride filled with ghosts is going to be filled with stories we we hear the stories and happenstance of the

the ashes of course yeah um but that's interesting somebody like slipped a foot what would you want to leave in there if you had to leave if you were to pay off a janitor to leave something in there what would you choose to go to know like oh there's something will be hidden in the haunted mansion forever something of mine oh hmm well photo is probably pretty good if you you probably slip a watch if you had a watch or some piece of jewelry you could probably slip that on and an animatronic oh that's interesting first i was i'll be honest with you i'll walk you through my thought process i went watch it's stupid and then he said i'm the robot and i went oh really watch or a ring no no i think you're right i'm wrong for initially poo-pooing the idea in my brain.

Yeah. That's actually pretty good. What about just like an X-Men shirt? One of the robots could wear it. Whether you slip that on the old Mickey doll that they placed in the mansion. Like a Shagambit shirt. Yeah, Bigwig is wearing an XXL Rob Liefifeld x-force shirt yeah yeah you have a cable cable pointing a gun goes for 300 on depop yeah well it's vintage yeah now pickwick's wearing it

that would be worth it honestly for just like a couple hours before somebody noticed one of the robots is wearing a retro comic book t-shirt carnage t-shirt that even doesn't have to be retro that could just be a woody harrelson carnage one of our thing one of the freebie mr mercedes shirts we got multiple years in a row at comic con your freebie shirt game is so like you still have that it's a menace now you still have a thing we got 10 years ago a free megamind sweatshirt that you sleep in when it turns cold in la i'm putting on that xxl megamind oh megamind i was giving up ashton kutcher screwed all of us and didn't pay us you screwed us uh yeah we got a uh to a now defunct beverage uh we got we basically we participated in something

online called an idea jam where we did improv we've talked about this before um and it was a bunch of people we know run ucb and none of us got paid and we got a gift bag at the end that included a megamind sweatshirt megamind sweatshirt it was in a star trek it's the original uh jj star trek messenger bag and marissa strickland and i like quickly got rid of ours i used mine it broke within a month like it's pretty like the these clasps like snapped like didn't marissa give hers to you the messenger bag no megamind sweatshirt oh didn't you have two i didn't have two i i don't believe i've ever had

to i think i had the one no i remember marissa got a message from someone she either went to high school or college with who was editing the videos it was like hey did you do something called an idea jam she's like yeah this is the first i've wanted to move forward on non-haunted mansion material as much as i'm curious how many Megamind sweaters were in play. Sweatshirts. But if you want to ask, if you want to text Marissa and we'll wait for the answer.

I'm good. I'm good. I just imagine that the Hatbox Ghost was wearing a Megamind sweatshirt for a couple hours and you got to see it. That would be fucking awesome.

Are you that? I did get like a bubble tea like three years later with that gift card. Yeah, I never used mine. I never rede threw it in the garbage it was at hollywood and highland so it was a real pain in the ass yeah not the best not the easiest place anyway so i'm done with dinner stuff you had more oh yeah so pickwick they've they've expanded a little pickwick legend in like comics and stuff i think this is from the comics so there's a little more backstory

they called pickwick a comic mole burglar so they fleshed him out to be kind of a thief guy and he was very afraid of heights yeah and in the lore he dies in the stretching room and then when he's dead now he is no longer afraid of heights hence him on the chandelier now he's so excited because he's gotten over his fear and he's drinking and having a good time this is very complicated so that's a little lore i don't know it's one of those things where like there's like different canon that no one really probably follows like does the big thunder comic really do the imaginers really consider that part of canon i don't know yeah yeah i the the haunted mansion really is the it is the king of attractions where the all the info about the plot and characters and story

are not in the ride whatsoever you know what i mean like all this yeah well which like now i i was sort of alluding to this in a previous episode. Now I kind of know some of the story and what the characters are because of these exhaustive podcasts that we've done. Kind of. Before that, I went on this ride 70 times with no knowledge of what any of it is. Well, the genesis of it, it was so long from when Ken Anderson was first looking, you know, working with, well, to build a haunted house in the Mickey Mouse Park, the small park they were going to build in Burbank, and then finally getting it built and open in Disneyland. That was like over a decade. Well, we covered that. And yeah, that took the whole first year.

Maybe we should refresh. Oh, that's fine. If I may be so forward so yeah there's so much concept art there's so many potential threads

and storylines and stuff got revisited or put back in I also think continuity the idea and correct me if I'm wrong

listener or you two I would imagine most of the people that put this together didn't even like think of the concept of like continuity and even maybe like backstory they were obviously thinking of story but they were thinking more of like isn't it funny to have a big hat on a ghost yeah like

that was more about it okay like we're alluding obviously till there was a bride and there was this and a little bit of that but mostly it's like isn't it funny uh great caesar's ghost that would be that would be funny and they all chuckled and they all coughed because they were smoking and there's a bunch of like another tom collins yeah come tell him tell him tell him what you said it's a modern brain thing i don't know what maybe the last 20 30 years to really like desire hard facts and tying things together i need to know why he's on the chandelier yeah story oh he was in the stretching room in a fear of heights great that makes perfect sense yeah it's like because he gets yeah a newer a newer person that had a brain like that was like i don't know why fucking pickwick is high up why is he high

up well how would he get why would he even do that he'd be on the ground drinking doesn't make any sense i must think of a reason for it uh and then they came up with that he was a burglar so now we know and now you can rest comfortably so enhanced going through the experience now that we know pickwick is a burglar who's afraid of heights, a comic mold burglar. Is that what I said? Well, yeah.

And they've also changed publishers on the haunted mansion stuff. Who knows how much is in prints? We can make shit up today. We can name a couple of these characters. We can name the captain crunch guy. Yeah. General what? Ghost.

General ghost. He's general ghost. And why is he why is he walking around in that circle do you know what i mean because he only could walk uh in like square shapes his whole life and now he's walking around in a circle because he has the full freedom to from being a ghost general ghost there you go you go. That's a, wow, that's a moving tale. Wow, okay, next one. Next one. Get that on the wiki. Get it on the wiki.

Where do we go? I feel like Jason is still, yeah. Yeah, I, well. Do you have all the hair colors listed? I don't have all the hair colors listed. No, I mean, the big anecdote about the dancers is that due to the reflection, it is an inadvertently more modern dance because the women are leading the men.

Yes, it was a mistake is what I read. I used to do that as well. Yeah. If you were just looking at the animatronics, but pre-ghostified, the men are leading the women, but the other way around. Right. Which, if we said that this was a change that Disney made this year, they would talk about it on Fox News for five days. If you made up that this was brand new, this would be a talk. And I guess the women are leading the men now. And at Disneyland now, even the ghost men are emasculated.

Could we? Like Prince Harry standing behind his wife. His rotten wife. I think some of the ghosts are in tan suits too. Like Obama, who I wish was a ghost. Pierce Morgan is just blood vessels bursting

we could really get this going no problem we could be on fox news with the day after this comes out yeah we could be on gutfeld and here are the three patriots who have revealed that disney has quietly reversed the dancing position because of the woke mob. Here they are. Scott, Jason, and Mike. Thank you, three patriots. Yeah, that's right. Well, the tagline of our show is three fearless men in their 30s, and we're not afraid to stand up for our liberties,

especially within the theme park sector. Craig, I'd like to interject real quickly. I just want to say fantastic monologue tonight. We were cracking up in the back. Anyway, sorry sorry i shouldn't come on here and kiss your ass but i couldn't know that you're guttfeld you're the king of late night i wish that was a joke actually you're the highest rated you're the highest rated show that's true what are you drinking there greg uh in your coffee mug ivermectin jason gets hired pretty good pretty good this is where you'll be there'll be egg on your face in 2022 and we learned that ivermectin is a complete was the cure for covid we've all been drinking cup after cup of it oh no and it got rid of my parasites

my hot dog my hot dog originated parasites. You ate so many hot dogs that were made from horses that needed to be dewormed. Knocked the worms right out of the horse meat in my hot dogs and took away my COVID. I know it'll be healthier, but you're going to miss those worms. They really give you that kind of sweet bite. You say hello to them every morning. Hello, worms.

I'm wearing my little horse form. Jason, can't wait to be in you. Eating any more hot dogs today? One of the most famous ghost stories, It's a Wonderful Life. That's what the inscription in the book says. No man is a failure who is friends. The friends are worms. Inside hot dogs.

Inside hot dogs. They cut all those scenes where he eats all those hot dogs. That's right, Zuzu. That's right. George Bailey, the man who eats the most hot dogs in the world. That's the original drift. It's like dipping it like he's in the contest, dipping it in the water, shoving it in his face. Like Kobayashi.

Jimmy Stewart pioneered that. Oh, yeah. Dipping it in the water first. They're having me eat so many for the scene, so I dip it in water so I could keep doing it. Take after take. Jimmy Stewart invented dipping a hot dog in water to be able to eat over 50 in an hour. Oh yeah. It goes down so smooth.

You're attributed to him. It's like, you forget what the weird hat is called. You forget that it's cocked and you forget that Jimmy Stewart, uh, buns soaking. That's right. He was doing it in his late 80s too

on the Carson Tonight Show. Oh, yeah. He showed everyone in the sound booth recordings for An American Tale, Fievel Goes West. Like, well, you're probably, well, I want to see this, you youngins. Gather around.

Fievel should eat hot dogs in the movie, don't you think? All right, Jimmy. If I may be so forward. go ahead if we let's go north i mean okay uh i think my favorite thing in the ride is the dueling portraits i think it has been since i was a kid or at least it was when i was a kid i thought that was so neat so funny so clever i love that they glow red on the tips um i i yeah you know the red tip i wouldn't have laughed if we didn't say we're punchy from the last bit yeah yeah yeah i would have been fine i would have been a mature but no i laughed red tips anyway go ahead bright red tips

the two men face each other with the bright red tips it's like a dog like a very excited dog yeah yeah we got it uh no i just uh i don't know i don't have anything super intellectual to say about it i just look forward to seeing that so much and i and it's a lot kind of last thing in the room so when you're leaving the room i keep like a kind of crane bat like let me see if i can get one more shot in there let me how many can i see yeah that's fun i mean this is really this obviously this room this room takes the ride up a notch you get a little more adrenaline going when you're on it i don't know if that's really the way to describe it watching yeah you're watching the ghost ballroom dancers and you get so much adrenaline but it does it's another level you gotta go up another level and i'm trying to think in this room i like the duel i'm trying to think

i mean i think now pickwick might be my favorite but only because now we've really spent time talking about him and he's so fun but i don't know i like uh i really like the organ and i and i excuse me for being so forward i i love the piano and the next scene too. Yeah. So much. So I think I always focus on Victor Geist, the organ player. Yes.

The, the, the dualist, the painting based on Mark Davis, uh, illustrations. Yes. Mark Davis originally.

And this, I think is where you start to see the melding of the Claude Coates, the more sinister mansion ideas from Claude Coates. It is. It's the transition. The transition into the more whimsical Mark Davis. You go back and forth, though, because this is more whimsical, I would say. And the next scene is a little scarier.

A little more scarier. And then back to whimsical. Yeah. But Victor Geist, the organ, of course, the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea organ. Initially, is it still that organ, though? Well, I read that it was the organ used in the movie. That went to that walkthrough they used to have in Tomorrowland when they real quick needed to put some more stuff in Tomorrowland.

Then they used it for the mansion. And then it was duplicated for all the other mansions around the world. So it's not the actual. I think it's the original. No, I think this is the original. Oh, you think it is? Yeah. I think so.

Okay. Maybe I read, maybe I was reading about Disney World then. I also didn't realize until reading today is that little ghosts, those are little ghosts flying out of the organ. Little skulls. Yeah. Yeah. Which they did.

Well, I think they recreated that effect very well In the Muppets Haunted Mansion Episode on Patreon The bat music stand The music stand is large, ornate bat Yes, and I also didn't realize that either Which is a real nice, fun detail So And I like

Again, I told you, I like the organ I'm always focused on And I'm stupid and didn't realize those were ghosts I thought it was like a cool, like, glowing effect. But you didn't see, like, that they have faces. Right. I didn't know that. Yeah. I feel like an idiot.

Where Victor Geist... Where did this name come from? This seems like the most recent Victor Geist. As we're inching towards it, I only on fandom found the name Constance Hatchaway. Constance, the Black Widow Bride bride i saw come up a lot yeah but hatchaway i i didn't see that often maybe a newer invention yeah potentially are you saying you didn't see victor guys at all doing research scott uh no no i didn't really because i feel like that was pretty common in the thing because i was looking up like who has names basically basically, which ghosts have names.

And he would come up pretty regularly. It's just so... You just don't like the name, I think. No, I actually do like it. I think it's just, as I was saying, we've named almost no one in the ride except for Victor Geist, the organist. And you feel like it's too Maybe normal sounding almost I just wanted to name all of it

If we're going to start there We just name it Captain Ghost Yeah Or General Ghost Whatever his name was But then I just wanted to keep You know So the duelers

One's Sam Norton. Sam Norton, great. And the other one's... Graham Carson. Yeah, great. Yep, done. I think I like Victor Geist for that reason. Just not even scary or anything.

It's just a name that somebody would have. And then the guy, the ghost under the table is Louis Johnson. Great. Now we know. Okay. And he's drunk. He's not sleeping. He's drunk.

Okay. Let's be clear. Louis Johnson is drunk. Yes. There's ghost vomit gurgling out of his mouth and he might ghost choke on it. I saw that Rolly crump uh thought that this illusion he's criticized the illusion that's going on in here as too obvious with like the go like the ghosts on the circle and everything like he thinks it's too a little too obvious

they should be i don't know i don't think so because we don't like we're still sort of like finding new stuff i feel like as a kid i was i never knew what i was looking at or i i forget if i've said this in a prior one but i i think i thought that it was like translucent robots with nothing inside that they managed to build you know how they've like there were those uh innovation interventions robots that were with no skin or anything i thought that they managed to do that or it's just like These are really ornate Dolls or Not dolls but they're really ornate animatronics That are dummies that don't move

With nothing inside like that's what I thought For a long time when I was a kid I'd never Before the peppers ghost that it's a reflection Occurred to me so I was always I really I never had any Idea what it was for years I think I thought it was Some sort of projection Sure like a straight misconception Yeah I think so i think when i was like old enough to know it wasn't real

which yeah i'm sure felt took too long uh i thought it was some sort of like i probably wasn't sophisticated enough to think of like oh glass and it's projected on it down there but i definitely thought oh there's some sort of projector that's making me see it as three dimensions well there's a clip of tony baxter giving a tour and he says everyone says it's holograms because they just don't know how it's done and it's just got i guess like a hologram yeah because that's the other thing that you think of when it's like oh a thing changes from like one thing to another yeah there's is that in the same like tony does a full like walkthrough kind of a funny i think that in the same like tony does a full like walk through kind of a funny i think that's that's what it is the roly crum thing though there he also

has a story about like we had professional magicians come out and we did the pepper's ghost for them and we fooled them because they had never seen a sheet of glass that big right oh huh that's how they got they just it had never been done at that scale yes interesting um and then i i would be interested to talk hopefully uh eventually talk tony because tony's also mentioned before like wanting to like spruce up some of the effects in the mansion oh sure and i wonder what he thinks if he thinks this holds up um yeah maybe maybe just the sort of like circular nature if i was plussing up because we we i like the mansion but we don't talk about improvements all that often i guess maybe there could be a way

to just make the movements in the same way that like pirates the chasing is very like circular like it's it looks very mechanical oh yeah that's part of its charm i mean i don't really care but there might be a way to do it to make it look not so more fluid yeah a little bit or like to have maybe there's some like height variance or something there's a little like up and down to it yeah because like they have bell and the beast dancing yeah like crazy in japan yeah so if you could if you could maintain the same kind of illusion even in the same kind of i'm not even saying they should use like something that would make the ghosts even necessarily more clear even though i am excuse me for being so forward uh i do i do think it would make sense to like hatbox

ghostify a lot of the ghosts in the graveyard that is my eventual opinion when we get there is that i kind of feel like you could overhaul all the ghosts to make them a little more distinct in the graveyard. Yeah. Yeah. Or even just like per Vista, there's like one that's kind of fancier. Sure. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Cause you miss so many and that's going to be, I mean, we have to negotiate exactly how many episodes the graveyard is because there's so many, man, I am, I strain to see new ghosts every time and i can

never tell if it's something i'm just misguessing for the first time or if it's a new thing but there's fun stuff in the way back of that graveyard yeah and i would love to just be able to see some of it better but imagine if you're the the waltzing ghosts you're so used to seeing them waltzing in circles imagine if you could program then two waltz in a circle, but then every now and then one of them broke out and like spun the partner. You would just be like so unnerved. That's cool. It would be cool.

I really, there are, cause there's the people that are like really nothing should change, but there's a way to maintain kind of the old feeling of even that effect. Cause the effect itself feels classic. So I think there's gotta be a way to maintain even of the old feeling of even that effect. Cause the effect itself feels classic. So I think there's gotta be a way to maintain even that kind of old feeling effect, but doing what you're saying and scare the shit out of people,

there's gotta be a way to do it. I'm sure plenty of imagineers have thought about it, but I'm all for that kind of thing too. As long as it doesn't completely feel like you're modernizing the ride. Sure. Like there is probably a way where you do some insane technology and you go well that feels way off the haunted mansion which now like like that doesn't feel like the tone of the ride anymore well if i may be so

forward isn't this a perfect bridge into the next room the attic sure uh let me just check my notes go ahead i sure sure sure well y'all so we could go backwards that's true i think we've alluded to this take in the past i might as well come in hot with it least favorite room in the ride two digital two digital yes yeah i agree with you about the bride but as far as the room no i I've been one of my favorite rooms. Really? I think the room is very interesting. I think the, I like the story of the bride a lot. I do think that face, something needs to be done. We all agree.

Because that is the most 2006 ass. Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. And that's a, but do you not also include in that the portraits? Because I don't like the portraits. portraits and let me let me just say why uh you know like i'm reading i i get this this seral book as well and i'm reading it and it says at some point like uh uh you know if you and just to just to refresh your memory uh so there's a ghostly bride at the end of the room. And along the way,

you see these portraits where her various grooms over the years, like as you shift perspective, you see them beheaded. So she's like killed a number of husbands. And in the book it says, you know, actually all of the husbands were played by imagineers. And I'm like,

yeah, no shit. These guys can't act in still photos. You can tell that these are pictures from 2005. And they're all smirking. They're all like, it's me. I'm an old timey guy, even though I'm a man from now. Now, the rest of the room I dig.

Anything pre the makeover, I, I, now the rest of the room I dig, I like, I, I, I'm not anything pre the makeover I'm cool with, but this is, I think is a bad example of adding newer stuff that doesn't totally work. That's interesting. Cause I never struck you guys. I don't like these portraits. Struck me. But now you're saying it, I've never actually focused on their faces. Yeah.

Cause I think, well, I think the bride in the portraits, and I believe in the motion capture on the projections, played by the actress Julia Lee, the voice is done by a voice actor named Kat Cressida. But I think I am always, the bride never changes, except she adds a string of pearls every time uh uh she with the groom and i think i'm my eye is largely drawn to the heads being removed yeah and that's cool i i have no problem but i just i think i just feel the modernness of this room uh uh i now see i thought we were all i thought

we'd sort of alluded to this before and i guess you guys agree with me on the bride, that the bride's a little too current shiny projection. I don't like shiny projection bride. What do you think about doll face 1990s upgrade? I don't know that they've ever gotten this bride right. Kind of chilling. I mean, the thing that's interesting to me about the attic is there is just so much documentation of the attic like

it's changed multiple times there was always some sort of attic there was a lot of the spectral women ghostly women they weren't always brides in fact a lot of them drew emphasis to the beating heart as you come into this room you can hear the thumping sound of a beating heart and it just gets louder as you go through the room very loud yeah it's very loud but i don't pick up on it when i'm riding the but on video you can't not hear it you're saying you don't notice it i think i don't notice it as much because of the transition from uh the grand hall into the attic and you start hearing the piano the the wedding waltz yeah so

that's pretty cool like that yeah like that's so much action on the piano because i don't think you can i don't think and maybe i'll watch it when i get home i don't i don't this the faces don't stick out to me as being imagineer faces every time i'm on i'm like yeah that's interesting i know you guys are so happy that you're dressed in old timey clothes and i'm thaddeus old timey sin you could just they have that thing of like you just know that it's not there's a smirk when you haven't been on camera a ton and i feel it in these guys they should have unfortunately like more character actor-y the first thing that they should have gotten grizzled ass joed k. The first thing that the guy who played... They should have gotten you a grizzled ass.

...Jode Kressbeckler, the guy who played, like, that old man on those old Onion videos. Do you remember him? Oh, yeah. He was, like, the guy in the woods, and then they hired him to do, like, a Fox News-style show. Oh, I can remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just, like, a very grizzled, older character actor who seemed like he could be

from, like, a different time. You know how in uh i mean i think of the master there will be blood i guess those are the main the the old the oldest set pt anderson movies like like every person you see looks like they're from the past right and then there's other period dramas that are like hugh jackman like all right he. He's got us. He has the flair of this for sure, but he seems like a current guy. You know what I mean? He would. There's just something about it.

It's hard to, I find it hard to articulate. Were I doing this casting? But it's, I don't know. These people don't look like they're from the past. Less so the bride. I think she's fine. Yeah. But these guys

I probably you've probably now ruined It for me good I think I won't focus on it now This also is gonna be one of those There's we're gonna see there's only Be like two of them they're gonna be so Fucking mad at me But I don't know I maybe people

I think the bride most people I would get Bet the bride is a most People agree that it looks weird now. The shing, that shimmery act. It just feels that. It's vibe-wise. Like, hat boxes, I think people universally love. I'm sure people have some feeling. It's sort of modern, but it feels like...

It's in between. It's in the spirit of the older... I think that you hit the nail on the head. I think it's in the spirit correctly it does feel very modern i think the pictures never drew my attention because there is so much going on i think they did a good job putting in the story of like well and each husband is progressively wealthier so like the uh stuff the wedding gifts around each portrait just gets more and more elaborate as the time goes on. And there's another thing I like in the mansion is that like as the ride has grown and been added to over the years, there are contradictions because it seems like the last husband is named George.

And they've alluded to that, like, oh, that's the same. George is on a headstone in the stretching room but the widow there is very old and the bride here dot clearly died very young because as a ghost is appearing as very young so that's like a weird contradiction but in the world of ghost stories and urban legends there's often contradictions and often additions later on if i uh if i could cut in what you said about clearly like she's going up in social stature this is something i wrote down in the notes so that as i saw this quote the bride clearly gains in wealth and social stature with each wedding mike do you have you ever caught this before i have not thank you i don't think that's clear

did you know this before you read any but i think that's again what we were saying earlier it's good to have like extra got extra stuff that you never pick up on them sales out i like it in the sense of all right yeah go ahead no i was just gonna say uh i was just gonna say i agree with you that there's a lot of stuff and i'm looking at all the stuff at once so i think you're right in the sense that there's a bunch of stuff yeah i did not put it in contact i did not realize ah she's richer i didn't know that but you're right in the sense that i go oh the face disappeared on to looking at uh that box over there that like wardrobe or whatever sure the piano player like so i am my eye is darting all over the place not looking at a grinning imagineer from 2005 i i like it in the sense as you say is i like it in the sense of like

a like the kind of thing pixar would have as a backstory for this is the thing pat and oswald talked about about how he learned how monster zinc is done in this kind of 60s mod style because that was like it was the boomer era and there were a lot of babies so that's where monstropolis made their most money was in the city so like so that's where all their architecture was put up then and that's why there's that vibe to monstropolis you never would know that from watching the movie but it's interesting once you hear it this is interesting once you hear it but if it's supposed to be a story i'm following i don't follow the story well i i think the the uh story that you could grasp just looking at is like oh man she just keeps getting stuff

as she gets married like she's killing them and she's like getting rich like she she is a gold digger she's like a yeah black widow that's cool i i like it now that i hear it i just don't know that it ever communicated to me yeah yeah that's interesting yeah i like i like it and now i will pay attention to that now i gotta pay attention i gotta pay attention to how rich she's getting and i gotta figure out who all these imagineers are i do it's like uh this one i feel like i have the most homework now is the attic pay close attention and i like the attic and i and i look it's an overused word on this show coming out of my mouth but i like the attic because of say with me the intimacy of the room i like it because it's a cozy feeling room and i've said this before i've said

this on the uh the horror nights about the us house from the movie us you walk into a room that feels kind of realish it feels small and i almost like i want to hang out in this area longer because of just it feeling like the most like a real room i could sit in i guess yeah yeah maybe if we're supposed to be in a real house a real mansion maybe not all of it seems like a place that's lived in or that somebody lives in this area for sure a lot of the yeah a lot of the mansion is a like an abstraction of a house you know the seance room like what exactly what is this room what's actually this room look like when the lights are on who would have this and the hallway is like it's really cool but like the hallway also feels kind

of like an abstraction of a house yeah yeah in the sense that we don't get a real strong sense of where any of the doors go we're not going through the doors we just know they're there and we know it's suggesting this but the attic is like ah yeah this is an attic and we're like low to the ground stuff is close by a lot of crap in it it's very dirty it's very dirty is there are there collectibles in here are there action figures are there mike's mike's little friends my little friends in a box there used to be very early on cobweb effects but it seemed like there were too much of a pain in the hour people would fuck with them like that would graze you it yeah i never heard this that you

yeah you would pass the doom bug you would pass through it and the cobwebs would like brush against your face that's nuts they would that's really crazy they have like stuff they do it at knots still in the in the mazes where there will be like kind of you know strings or something with a little like just to kind of graze you to make whatever the effect is and they also do a lot they do a lot like in the waxworks maze at knots as you're leaving through like these crazy you know the giant barrels of wax uh you get little drips of water to make you feel like the wax is oh is hitting you oh that's uh which is good i mean it's a very effective thing it's just tough to do on like on a mass scale year round in a arrive these little these like very uh subtle touches and it's not disney 2021 to do that i feel like no no it's like i wonder even if the the you know getting poked

in the back is disney 2021 is there what's the most recent poking in the back that disney's even done i feel like they don't like doing that anymore. Tough to be a bug. It might be tough to be a bug. Yeah, the 2000s in California Adventure, putting it tough to be a bug, had the poking, right? Right. But have they poked anyone lately? Have they poked? Are they poking us?

It's not too much poking. Not that I recall. They're not poking us. They're not the universal water effects. Slate of passage, strapping you into that, it's very kind of odd and intimate it is but it's not you're not getting poked yeah you're not it doesn't have a story the micron the mighty acron isn't poking you while you're it's breathing feeling its teeth against

your face yeah it's not you're not feeling it it's red tip i'm sorry wow i'm sorry so sorry for you you want the brush of the mind the because you know that akron's red tip is quite mighty they cut that scene the mightiest you've ever there's one of the new sequels is called the red tip. One of the new Avatar. You might be right. It could be lying. It could be time. Avatar chapter four, the red tip. You know what's going to be interesting with the yearly nature of these? Will there ever be,

and maybe we can make the guess, will there ever be a year where there is a Haunted Mansion podcast, The Ride, and a new Avatar film? Well, when's the one scheduled? Will we beat it? Will we be done? done oh that's a good

question is it 2022 i think it is supposed to be next winter next year but but we know what happens with this guy but they have shot them they've shot the footage i know they've shot them multiple of the movies not all of them but i think at least at least one if not two i've seen the pictures of sigourney in the tank I've seen pictures We've all seen the pictures in the tank I haven't seen the pictures in the tank So you can look up tank pictures of Sigourney in the tank Look up Sigourney Weaver tank

Sigourney in the tank And not You're going to get pictures of her in a tank top That's all I'm getting That's 100% And I'm getting tank tops that you can buy with her on it. So I'm getting nothing. None of this is what I need.

Water tank is what I think you have to add now. Oh, not a military tank. Oh, I guess I've seen this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they've shot it. There's a bunch of balls in it. Yeah, the motion capture. She's not the same Na'vi.

I think she's new characters oh we do a new character um so i think i think maybe next year we will be like anticipating avatar 2 finally i mean i guess i'll feel the seed bearer the seed what is it which one is it what's avatar 2 let me look it up yeah avatar 2 we'll all and we'll know the names of the children by then. That's right. Do you, I don't know. I guess they're pretty specific here. I don't know.

I think it's getting like a six month bump. I will say I don't think next October that we will be two months away from Avatar 2. I don't believe that. Well, they just delayed almost every marvel movie three or four months yeah that's what i think it's gonna be like that like at least a little kick and indiana jones got delayed another year he everyone's excited to meet kingo they're trying to get kingo i've seen this name what is this about kingo i don't know what is the name who is that what is that from is that kumail oh king, Kingo is in the Eternals.

Kingo is one of the Eternals. Ah, okay, yes. They were making jokes because they all got silly names. And when they were like crazy Jack Kirby's your own comic characters, like, yeah, you expect them that silly names. But when it's just a bunch of actors on a gray brown beach. Oh, okay. I see.

I see. Well, that's what's... Let's lock this in. When it's Kingo mania next year we've all now lived through two Halloweens with just nothing like every child that came to my door was Kingo that's right so mark that down is that's what the year is it 2021 yeah on mansion episode uh should we make this is this is good uh the first sequel which which could be The Way of Water, opens in theaters December 18th, 2020. Well, that sure as shit didn't happen.

Okay, so should we start the next year's episode by declaring how many weeks it is until Avatar 2? Oh, that's good. Oh, okay. Oh, weeks. Okay, okay. Because if he keeps his word, then we will know the way of water in. This is tough to calculate. It's like a month and a half. Right.

So six weeks. I mean, yeah, whatever it is, then we don't actually don't even have to calculate it. Now, if it is six weeks, when we start doing,

if you're, if you believe he's correct now, then next year we will be six weeks away from avatar to the way of water. And then after that, the seed bearer, and then the whole co seed bearer and then the tolkoon rider and then the quest for e a a wa a wa yeah um so yeah next year we'll say avatar to the what is it the way of water is six weeks away but i'm gonna say i maybe i'll give him some credit and say it's not i I'm going to say four months.

We will start it by saying it's. So it'll be a spring. No, and five, five. It's five months away. But no, but then they'll, by then they'll do it May. I think it is May 2023. Kicking off the summer blockbuster season. Yeah.

So that makes it five and then six and that's six weeks six six and a half months away that's my okay all right no i'm lying they kick off the summer blockbuster season like march 30th now or april first or something i believe it will release on time you might be right i but that's just that's what i'll guess i don't have any hard evidence i will make a pledge i will sit down and we'll finally watch the first avatar before the second one comes out in all this time all this time cron talk you've never watched the movie why do you cron oh i can't wait to meet uh colonel miles quaritch the animtanium you'll see it all oh kate winslet is ronal that must be new right spoilers

yeah well that's right on the first results page dr max patel coming our way i don't know ed falco is in it hmm all right look we're not here to read the wikipedia we're here to read stuff we learned from other wikipedia yeah from haunted mansion um okay so here's part of what's fueling my take on the attic i do i before i ever like looked into it specifically i just remember having the feeling of i liked this room and then i stopped liking this room and it became once i did the math and realized oh in 2006 there was this update and there's some digital stuff i guess that's but i also had the memory of like weren't there scary jumping heads in this room weren't

there more like loud screechy jump scares in here i had that odd saying i was always scared by those so i was almost relieved to not have those anymore but i remembered like i think this room was a little scarier and a little darker because there wasn't this glowy stuff like the portraits and the bride was done differently um and then i realized then we went to japan a couple years ago in japan the room never changed and i think if you guys go in the future if you remember going if you watch ride through my uh uh it's what it was because their man their auto mansion is essentially orlando for the most part without some of the except for this because they redid it in orlando um and not in tokyo i just think it's better there's less going on it's more minimal it's just the creepiness of the room

um it's scarier you've got guys jumping out at you there's uh it's it's pretty like cruddy and on strings but there's a bunch of bats flying around there's a big bat circle that used to be in this room and it's not anymore um i just we like got off with aaron and immediately we're like that's that one room we don't really like is they didn't redo it in japan well i'll say i think the this might be a case of the story behind this story might be more interesting. Because if you read online, the upgrade was supposed to be done for the, what would 2005 be? The 50th anniversary of Disneyland. It did not get done in time due to shifting priorities and management changes so eventually they get a a

management uh person who was very friendly to imagineering and they very quickly got this uh implemented and in there and done and so i this seems like oh i want to hear this behind the scenes because you always i have always heard i i would have first been to disneyland in august of 2006 so this was my first um experience with this mansion um was seeing that upgraded um bride but like i think i think this coincided with the outing uh the ousting of Paul Pressler. But you're saying that the story of a bride with an axe is less interesting than the story of management changes in the theme park? I think in our interest,

the management changes are often very interesting. Was there any mention of anyone's lieutenants in said story? I'm sure there were lieutenants fast and furious on all sides that's true uh i'm looking at this now and i was like oh why why is scott telling saying this and i can't have a memory and now i remember it's because haunted mansion holiday was happening when we were there oh right yes that was something you found before we were i wasn't there at the same time but you were you were basically surprised when you got there that it was haunted mansion holiday because they don't do it in florida right they do do it in terms and there's more sally representation in that version too there's like a better sally animatronic wow

um and yeah because it's the because it's a little like there's a little more like the longer there's there's more to the like uh first few rooms uh there like in florida um yes yeah the first section i should say yeah which i love those rooms and i just i just took a look and you're right so so basically yeah in tokyo it's the attic is the lighting is much lower and there is that like head popping out gag that you get at the end of the graveyard scene yeah are they in evening wear do they make them look like tuxedo cop because i saw pictures of like ghosts screaming i that would scream i do and kind of like tuxedo cause if they were ghost they're so dark it's hard to tell yeah um and then but the bride is a like an old

or animatronic but the bride looks way better it is a much creepier even it's like less analog but it's cool and the big beating heart i yeah i think it's scarier and i have seen that i've seen like that with the classic looking bride from the disneyland version it's interesting because because i could see it i could see a better version of the attic for sure than the way it is now that maybe even marries the two marries it like because i like the idea that it it's like kind of bridging the gap into the graveyard. And then you get, because it's not as scary. I would like it to be a little scarier.

It isn't that scary now. No. Yeah, I don't think that, yeah, that digital bride is not scary. It's interesting. It's not the worst thing in the world. Sure. And in a ride that was more full of stuff like that, maybe I wouldn't complain, but I think it fights with things that were done 40 years prior and don't feel the same. Yeah, but I bet there's a way to tonally make the room even without the heads.

I like the heads jumping out, but it's kind of the same thing at the end of the graveyard. So I think there's a way to do it. I think there's a way to like darken the room a little bit and add some like maybe like mystic manner style special effects that are creepy because i love i am i'm a sucker i said this probably before maybe i'm a sucker for the stupid player piano thing with a ghost like shadow and they do the similar thing they don't really have a shadow on um pirates but it's similar there's a ghost playing a piano yeah essentially on pirates love it great we watched the ghost of mr chicken the don knots classic to bring mr knots up again on the show

uh you already did barney fife in this episode i did not plan to talk about don knots twice um but as you wear a grandpa monster i'm wearing a grandpa monster shirt in honor of one of the craziest things to ever happen to podcast the ride. Oh, man. Wow. And we should have talked about it up top. Oh, my God. Daniel Roebuck, Jay Leno from The Late Shift is playing Grandpa Munster.

In case you didn't get the Google alert that you all had set for both of those things, Grandpa Munster and Daniel Roebuck. My goodness. What news? I thought somebody was joking. I saw it on our Roebuck. My goodness, what news. I thought somebody was, I saw it on our social media somewhere. I thought someone was joking. How? How? Something so perfect to occur.

Right. And the house looks all beat up and they all look a little weird and grungy. Like it's not super slick and it's like, oh man, this is going to be great. Now I'm not so sure about that. I'm not sure about great. I don't know how I feel about the filmography of Rob Zombie. But I, how did he land Sherry Moon Zombie? I don't know how he got that one.

The casting coup of the century. But man, Roebuck is grandpa. Roebuck is grandpa. What a time to be alive. Yeah. Yeah. Will it come out before Avatar 2? Yes.

I think so. Yeah, I think we see that first. I think they're going to turn that around pretty quickly. Is it going to theaters or did people say, did you speculate it was going to Peacock? I think it will be. City Walk opening night, IMAX. Well, we will.

Sure. I think, I don't know. I actually don't know. It's going to zomber rob zombies personal streaming service z-o-m-b-r-r yeah yeah zomber yeah we'll be reactivating our amca list memberships so we can hit up monsters and the way of water you know so we can you know punch the app cinema's finest year not since 1999 the the best movie year has there been such a strong um um i've lost my complete addict train of thought but yeah i i the the i i i do agree

with you that that vibe is better overall that's my i hope this is not a snooty opinion well in japan actually it's i just like i don't know that's it's uh i swear i'm not putting on airs here i just i do remember liking the room and then i stopped liking the room and then i went to japan and i liked the room again yeah i think i a part of the attic with me is just like the desire to go in the middle of the space because like you're going through the yeah the hallway and stuff so i guess you're in more in the middle of the action there but but the rest a lot of the ride you're going through the, yeah, the hallway and stuff. So I guess you're in more in the middle of the action there, but the rest, a lot of the ride you're on the periphery you're on, you're looking in and the attic, you're going right through it.

So like, imagine, I know there's not as many ghosts. They added a couple of ghosts. I get, maybe it would, it would diminish the bride reveal at the end of the room ghost count, but I love going through the room as opposed to,

cause even like the, the, um, madam Leota room, you're going on the outskirts of the room you're not kind of going i know you it's not easy to do that but you're not going up right by the ball you're going like on the corner you're like yeah scraping the wall as you go through so like there's something fun with the attic about you're going you're going right in the middle of it yeah which i think that's very true yeah ultimately is really why i like the room but yes i think the vibe could change and put the old bride in or put a new yeah a new hat box ghost ish turn her brightness down that's all i gotta do it's too bright you

wanted a little dimmer uh no you know what i saw and i don't know if it's where the bride is now or the bride used to be there is a room there's a tiny room that they used to use as a break room right behind it it was also the room where they would service the organ pipes or clean the organ pipes they could access them um but it was the break room for people working a position called utility and that was the person whose job it was to kind of like hide in parts of the ride and make sure people weren't fucking around. Like people weren't getting out of their doom buggies or getting too fresh in their doom buggies.

And so they, they would hang out in this room that overlooks the graveyard. Like this is where they would take their breaks at. Wow. And so next year we're going to cover the evolution of that break room uh when they got a microwave install when they with the kinds of coffee machines they had when they went from a coffee made to a curing what was the bulletin board like oh how would they list things like as far as like you know employee like hangouts or

something hey i need a shift covered. I need a shift covered. Were you allowed to list personal things like your band is playing in Fullerton? Would you, were you allowed to like pass a note about how you could make some money on the side by allowing guests to give you a picture of their loved one and sneaking into the mansion? Or a shirt of an X-Men character. Management catch on to the bribery scheme. The bride is wearing a... Todd McFarlane Spider-Man.

Todd McFarlane Spider-Man shirt. And Victor Geist is wearing a shirt featuring the X-Men character Forge. On the bulletin board, did they take bets on when avatar 2 was going to come out has it been has the bulletin board been around that long right yeah all this 2012 it's a hell of a tease for the next next episode yeah there's a note saying like hey did anyone catch leota the spiel kind of glitched and she started talking about avatars. Something about avatars and Miles Quaritch and the way of water.

Did anyone catch that or was it just me? That one day Leota had a premonition and everything that we know about Avatar 2 comes from she got possessed. The Ides of march or march gree and retrograde it would just happen that face looks like you could easily program new faces i could be wrong and the technology might not be that that way but like it feels like you could maybe like give her an avi face for a couple months so you're talking okay so your idea is haunted mansion if we're getting tired of Haunted Mansion holiday, Nightmare for Christmas overlay, Haunted Mansion avatar holiday.

The way of haunting or mansion. The way of spookiness. Haunted Mansion colon rise to the challenge. Right, right, yes. Rise to the. Civico, yes. Civico. Yeah, so maybe make her like have a navi face and then you could

just get a little tie in there but it looks you can redo that bride the bride easily reprojects and the bride is navi the bride is navi wearing a like 1800s human wedding veil that's right yes you're gonna have to make all the people in the ballroom taller because the Na'vi, obviously famously very tall, like nine feet tall. Oh, yeah. Oh, and then old Na'vi Pickwick is going to bump his head. Na'vi Pickwick. Close to the ceiling. There's a hole in the ceiling then.

You have to make a hole and Na'vi Pickwick's head is like through it. Or whatever. And the easy way to do it, I think, is get a gun back in there and start firing. Okay. Fire a giant bullet hole in and now Navi Pickwick has somewhere to go he has somewhere to go Navi Pickwick you know what you know what might solve the problem we go the other direction prequel this man human man used to be much shorter and the human did Navi used to be much shorter prequel james prequel another five what do you think so they evolved

they uh grew yeah they got taller they got taller okay well i'm for that too maybe they're short now we have to make the humans shorter though they started out at three feet okay that's what i'm saying we still need new robots shorter shorter pickwick the navi were the shortest species in the galaxy take out their chest they're all leg and head take the chest of the robot out and put the head on the legs i think that solves the problem okay so we got it okay well then we've called it in advance of maybe this film will come out in 2022 and then in 2023 following the success we'll do the haunted mansion avatar holiday and we'll review that one and that's going to set us way off course we're

going to have to do all that yeah we'll have to do all that um but that's okay um we still have hatbox ghost graveyard maybe two parts maybe one um And then what are the names of the three follow you home ghosts? They have names too, right? They do have names. They have names? We'll have to wait and see. Yeah, I think those have retconned names. They have like new names, yeah.

So you'll find out their names in two to three years? That's right. Two to three years. We'll put it on the line. We'll negotiate that later yeah um but for now you survived haunt cast the fright uh i think a very genteel edition yes of this of the side and i'm glad we talked about it we we we were very well mannered very well mannered yes um yeah i i mean i think that that couldn't have gone better and so we'll see where the mood's at next year and the mood i think

it all depends on avatar 2 if because if it's close then we'll be feeling so warm uh yeah if if avatar 2 doesn't come out on schedule i don't think biden gets a re-election i don't think he wins it all depends on he's got up he's got to push camera he's got to fix the i mean right now he's got to fix the supply chain yep he's got to get those boats to the docks and get us uh the toys and food and goods that we need well and then it's yeah thing after that wherever cameron's shooting there's a supply shortage of those uh ping pong balls you put on people for motion capture he has one more shot to go and the ping pong the water ping pong balls yep sigourney has just been bobbing in water for weeks waiting for the last if they only need like five like the tank is mostly full and they have to

add the last five balls to finish the final shot but the cargo ship is sitting offshore it's been sitting offshore waiting to dock for three months yeah she's in the water tank at the universal studios hollywood backlot she's just bobbing in there she can hear horror nights happening she's pissed oh my god she wants to go see those mazes. And the balls are right off the coast of Long Beach. You know? You know, look, folks. We got to get those ships in.

We got to make those ships. We got to get the ping pong balls. We got to get... People want to see Moet. CCH Pounder, Moet. We got to stimulate the economy with Tonawari. Cliff Curtis, man. Cliff Curtis is the leader of the reef people. We know that.

Another fine Ithaca crowd. Oh, wow. Wow. You've got to get that Ithaca spirit. Go Bombers. The kids at the college, they go get ice cream phosphate, and then they go see Moat. It's not that far-fetched this bit is not that far-fetched

where he's rattling that off he'd love this i got at least one if got ice cream powder i forget the name yes it is president biden will talk about it he'd love it well i was going to say the one if the guy's creamlor lays claim to fame for inventing the ice cream sundae. Now, do a dozen places in America claim they invented the ice cream sundae? Yeah, I think so. So Pepper's ghost situation. Yeah. Fucking Pepper.

Fucking hog. He thinks he can make rain. We're on the real prestige. That article was like, it's the start of the celebrity scientists or something they call the collection of people you were referencing celebrity scientists yeah a great lineup uh uh all right well hey what a what a haunt cast the fright it was uh um i'll cut this if you don't want to talk about it. I think it's amazing that at the start of Hauntcast the Fright, you weren't engaged.

Oh, yeah, sure. And now you're engaged to a guest from the Hauntcast. Yeah. Well, I don't want to doubt anybody. Is that Griffin? Is it Jaquese? Is it Jaquese? I don't know.

But a guest from this month of podcast is now engaged. That's true, yes. To our host, Mike Carlson. One of our hosts will soon say till death. To us part. Does Horncastle Fright have to do that? In sickness and in wealth. Does Horncastle Fright have to do that?

I think, honestly, you know, Lindsay was really on the fence about it until I said that she was the lily to my Herman, and that's maybe the greatest expression of love a person could give another person. So if you at home are like, sort of like, I need to express my love to my partner, put it in terms of the Munsters and the Munsters characters, because I think that could really like kind of tip it over. So that's, yeah, that's what we all said to, to kind of put a little, you know, cause we started the month with Lindsay and she was telling us this thing about that you, she, she has to, she, if she like divines that a final destination three type accident might

happen. Oh yeah. Yeah. And she has to say, I love you. Yes. She has to like grab you say I love you before the ride begins. Right. It stresses the hell out of me because she does it like all out of the blue.

I'm like, yeah, hey, we're going on this fun thing. And all of a sudden the tone shifts and I go, oh my God. Cause like I try to fight that. Oh my God. Urge every day of my life about a number of things. But all of a sudden that hits me anyway. So that's not what happened. It wasn't that you were what happened it wasn't that you were like it wasn't that you were like waiting for ghost writer and it was looking especially rickety up on the lift hill and then she grabbed

you and in this time said i love you and let's get married this time please let's get married uh no it was not that that had nothing to do with it. No, no. You did propose that the Freedom Center, though, because you both love free enterprise. That, yes. That we sort of were just imagining. Put money into the economy with a wedding. We were just sort of thinking about our shared libertarian beliefs. You have to cling together in this world that's coming apart at the seams. We were just thinking about how we really want everyone to be allowed to carry a gun on a plane and on a we don't like all this spooky mansion ride exactly yeah so that's yeah i mean look all of it plays a part for sure so i don't

want to discount anything there's not one thing but sure um yes uh engaged how about it engaged how about that such adult things do for now for scott i'm getting i'm trying to gain on scott here you know he's the most adult of the three of us i entered it mary i entered the podcast married then then child midway then child after what haunted mansion part two right i we can trace. These are real distance markers of which, yeah, boy. So Haunted Mansion, right before Haunted Mansion 4 engaged, I'm not saying there's plenty of time for it to fall apart before Haunted Mansion 5. I don't want that to happen.

Boy, it would be a story if it did. Well, yeah. I mean, yeah. If Lindsay hears me me maybe at once ever ever like hears me on an old podcast say to jason like you know jason you're like my the count grandpa monster to my herman or something she'll get jealous and feels like i use the monsters thing a lot and maybe not as special as she thinks it is then yeah it could be over by next haunted mansion yeah it's very possible kind of 50 50 whether i was going to be eddie or grandpa so i mean i went i think i've called you uh eddie

munster before on the podcast uh so i went with grandpa yeah what would you prefer honestly i mean either works look by my adult development lately is that my lower back hurts like hell the last 10 days was that true yeah that's a new development as my knee has loosened up with uh stretches and physical therapy as my knee has gotten better my lower back feels like shit lower back that is the most old man yeah there's a real old man that is the most old man place for something to hurt i know it's awful because then you'll have to like lean over and hold it while you're walking terrible watching he's watching aw rampage the other night lying on an ice pack oh man yeah we've grown up a little bit while doing the podcast in these next phases of our lives and jason has grown up 60 years from 25 to 65 oh um right yeah uh well let's keep with the the the munster metaphors where i uh

we're we're i'm so excited for you i don't speak for jason's excited for you as well congratulations my congratulations lindsey and let's in munster's metaphor you are to our eddie munster you are our widow's peak. Because what's Eddie without the famous widow's peak? Nothing. Yeah, that's his trademark. Now, although a good argument for Jason being Eddie is that many times over the years, Jason will come up to Lindsay and then go, hello, my man, daddy.

And that's a fact. That's not a joke. He would do that. It's a real thing. It's a real thing. And we go, oh, God. I haven't done that in a while. In the a joke He would do that It's a real thing It's a real thing And we go Oh god I haven't done that in a while In the old days

A couple of years ago You know it's hard When all your family's back east You know You look for parental figures Hello mommy and daddy You guys are Older than me

You know We're not You always Oh my god You always act like I'm way older than you How much You were one to two years older

1985 was when you were born. That's right. I was born in 84. Yeah. Jason's done this too. Jason used to do this. My elders. Jason used to do this to Marissa and I.

He'd go, well, you know, like, you know, older, like, I'm younger than you two. And I'd be like, you're not that much. It's not really that much. But look, I get it. I get it. You want to feel younger. Little baby 85 but look i get it i get it you want to feel little baby 85 jason i get it you know old man scott july 85 uh like boy there's kids there's kids now who were born in october 85 turn into dust 1985 now when i used to say spinal fluid gone vertebrae ashes jason looks at his like a birth

certificate and it says he was born in 1965 now he keeps aging decades back there's some sort of curse put on him it's like the reverse of the marnie mcfly photo yeah something happens like a witch put a curse on you and you keep aging an extra decade every year. My painting's getting younger and I'm getting older. Oh, man. All right. Let's get out of here. You can find us on the socials.

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