Podcast: The Ride - The Incredible Hulk Coaster with Chase Mitchell

Episode Date: February 14, 2020

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FOREVER! DOG! Complicated locker systems, and the music of Fall Out Boy. Chase Mitchell joins us to discuss the Incredible Hulk poster on Podcast The Ride, the show where before we hit record, we say every time, I think this time it's going to work. I'm Jason Sheridan here with Mike Carlson. Yes, I'm here. And I do think it's going to work this time. Yeah, yeah. Now it's become a good luck charm, we have to say. Scott Gairdner also here. Yeah, and I'm glad you explained what that is because this is a, I say it, we all say it every time, and I've never known what it meant because I don't, I've gotten braver,

but I have not been brave enough to go on today's topic. Right. You haven't been brave enough to go on today's topic right you haven't brave one of what i will say is the most intense roller coasters in uh the country well you're cutting me slack i appreciate that yeah it seems like it's probably well that's the thing to ask about how much of a level up is it how do you think i can handle it next time around uh um hey but let's you know let's bring our guest in who uh who picked this topic uh with us uh writer for the tonight show with jimmy fallon and the upcoming inside job on

netflix chase mitchell is here hey guys thank you for having me hey thanks for being here yeah yeah thanks for joining us uh yeah yeah and for and for throwing this ride out among a bunch of other right i guess so so you seem like a parks person to some extent i well yeah big time i mean like uh so i grew up in in atlanta georgia and so we were a big like drive to orlando family oh sure a lot of summer summer trips oh gotcha okay okay oh very nice how long is that drive uh gosh i want to save like at least like six or seven hours. Okay. So you can do it in a day, but it's not the most like. Yeah. It's not. Yeah.

Yeah. It was not fun. And there's a lot of like my dad making the same bad jokes every year because there was some kind of like when you're driving through like South Georgia. Like I love Atlanta and I feel, you know, like I, I, I love Atlanta and I feel, uh, you know, I, I always kind of like vouch for it and, and, but like it's a very blue city in a, in a very red state. And so when you leave, as soon as you like leave the perimeter of the city, it's literally surrounded by a highway.

Uh, and then when you get outside of that, everything is bad. And so we would, there was like all kinds of like weird like nut farms and stuff like that. And like weird like side of the road kind of stuff. And my dad would always make the same shitty jokes about the billboards that we would see. I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you stop ever? Sorry, I was like, is it like world's largest ball of yarn, like stuff like that? It wasn't even stuff that was that interesting uh ball of yarn would have actually

been great um yeah no it was it was just a lot of uh like a gas station that's bigger than a normal gas station yeah they're really proud of that thing um this is kind of great part of the the theme park experience that i think we've never brought up because i i definitely had this growing up too especially when it's like a regular place that you go a little more frequently i only went to disneyland like once a year as a kid but we'd always uh always pass by camping world uh on the way down and my dad would always say like guess what we're good we're doing change of plans we're doing camping world instead and why couldn't i just laugh at that i had to go no

like why did i have to take that well what age are we talking i go probably still eight or nine okay i'm worried he's gonna do it i guess i could see eight or nine if you. I'm worried he's going to do it. I guess I could see eight or nine. If you said 11 or 12, I was going to be a little more worried about it. I don't think I kept whining to that degree. I was whining about plenty at 11 or 12. I was also the sort of child who if my parents said something like as a joke,

but said it a little seriously, you know, like, hey, we're going to this instead. I would lose it. i would get very upset it is not surprising to me that we share that characteristic yeah weird anxiousness say i guess you gotta yeah you gotta remember a child doesn't understand irony doesn't it yeah i'm like no this was a statement made in jest so if i had said before we started by the way we're not doing hulk we're doing the storm spinner ride you both may have flipped out on me i have a lot to say about storm force acceleration okay so yeah you might you might be okay with that all right uh no you all i would

have done that for is if you'd said we're repeating anything from the downtown disney ordeal okay that's the only thing we have to do level three stage two again a new store opened um we're back to wet souls uh uh did you ever is there is there six flags in the six flags uh out like right outside of the city six flags over georgia um they were probably the last one to still have a confederate flag as one of the city six flags over georgia um they were probably the last one to still have a confederate flag as one of the flags yeah one of the six there's like a very like kind of uncomfortable like plantation-y section of the of the park that hasn't aged well i think they may have updated it i haven't been back to six i believe they have but yeah they didn't do it

soon enough yeah from what i can tell there was a there was an entire ride uh like a dark ride called monster plantation oh yeah yeah so racist monsters um that was fun uh yeah it was basically yeah it was it was sort of like the haunted mansion but uh with uh uncomfortable history and they were it's not just the if because if they were racist against each other yeah types of monster is considered a race and they're racist against each other that's not really hurting anybody still no one should be racist not even against other monsters but i just i just wouldn't even understand the affiliations and where the problems were i just wouldn't like the message yeah either way it's still you could overlay the hate yeah

into your own world if frankenstein's didn't get along with Dracula's. That's what you're saying? Yeah, but if not because they're monsters who are mad at each other in like a fighting way. If it's just more of a hypothetical, more Dracula's moving into town. I see. Yeah. Well, the ride is different now, right? I believe they've changed the ride.

I think it may be called like monster mansion or something they definitely just like lost the word plantation right and they like changed maybe hopefully the architecture outside a bit yeah maybe they finally admitted who really won the war the monster war i like a lot of they stopped stopped calling it the War of Northern Aggression. Yes. The Monster War of Northern Aggression, yeah. Yikes. I don't want to put you on the spot here, but when we were talking about potential rides that we could talk about, you did work at Jimmy Fallon.

I did. You've not been on Race Through New York. I haven't. I actually left... This is... I don't York. I haven't. I actually left. This is, um, I don't, I don't think I'll get in trouble for saying anything.

I'm going to be dreaded carefully. Wait, before, before you do, because I, I thought about this and I wanted to give you an option because, uh, uh,

not too long ago, uh, uh, Griffin Newman, uh, volunteered to do race through New York with us at some point behind the paywall. We feel a little bit safer, potentially.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if there's anything you feel is dicey, maybe- Leave a voicemail. Sure, yeah. Tell the story in voicemail. Or you can say a safe word or something, and then we can just snip this out and move it over. Well, I mean, i'm totally fine talking about they actually were working on that ride sort of right up until the time when i left and

during during my time at fallon um we did uh i believe two years prior to that we did a week of shows in orlando so we were there for one of the yes we would do we would do a week of show we did a week of shows in orlando and then we did a couple weeks of shows um uh here in la where we would stay at the the hilton that's right there on the in universal and we would basically we'd be working in the studio there and then we would have access to the park basically we just like they would basically just like walk out and like people would do that we'd be like i gotta go to the bathroom and then we go ride the jurassic park ride and come back it was pretty sweet and then the um in orlando it was it was more fun because frankly it's it's obviously it's a much bigger better park because they're not dealing with they're not having to plan a park around

a working studio the like quote unquote studio in orlando is like i think the biggest thing they ever made there was like a jimmy buffett music video like they have plaques on the wall of like the stuff that they've made there yeah we know i'm talking i'm talking to the pros um but it was pretty cool because like we'd be working uh in the studio and like you just hear of the roller coaster whoosh by like every 35 seconds because we were literally right under the that uh rock and roll rip ride rip ride and rock yeah oh that's right because that just like took over where all the sound stages yeah this odd like kind of unthemed ride that's the theme is it's interrupting work on television shows like as they stopped doing like nickelodeon shows there and stuff like that they've just gradually it's just become like less and less

of a studio and like just more and more of a theme park which is uh great but yeah so we did a week of shows there and then i don't know when they made the decision but somewhere along the way they were like we're gonna uh we're gonna do a jimmy fallon right which is so i remember when they told us at work and like it was so strange because it's like it just doesn't seem like something that's the basis for right like there wasn't like a Johnny Carson roller coaster no I wish though if only or and it's a small world yeah dancing edos Carnac's uh haunted mansion oh? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Geez, well, in retrospect now, there should be this. Yeah, it's just jokes the whole time.

We've been missing opportunities this whole time. So then were you part of any conversations about what out of... No, it was pretty high-level stuff. We had our supervising writers kind of handled. They basically wrote the ride. Okay, okay. supervising writers kind of handled they basically wrote the ride okay um and they worked on it kind of as a side project uh for you know i believe uh like a year or so and there was all kinds of like there were days where they were shooting they were shooting in the studio and stuff like that so yeah

i still haven't seen it but i i along the way i did see a lot of the like kind of uh test art and stuff like that and there were there were totally weird things like i think i was telling you about this in the dm but like there's a a character on our show we had a recurring uh character called hashtag the panda it was like if you could imagine like the masturbating bear from conan but like without um a joke to it it's basically that but he exists uh it was it was kind of started as i mean it was still funny for us i don't know why it was funny for audiences but like hashtag the panda is one of the writers uh john haskell and the bit kind of started because jimmy thought it would be funny to basically torture him like he puts him in this insanely hot heavy bear costume and has him dance

uh while the roots play and jimmy can kind of cue up the music over and over again and basically what he would do is just keep going until he would wear john out oh okay oh the point of us watching it was very funny because we would see our friend basically being uh tortured on national tv but yeah then he kind of became like he became like a very often recurring character and uh he became he's kind of the the big bad did you say you guys wrote it yeah yeah okay so yeah he's kind of the as i understand it he's kind of the big bad on the ride like he's a bit there's kind of like a king kong moment at the end or something yeah it's sort of it kind of replaces or it's the same beat a little bit as maggie on the simpsons ride yeah it's up giant yeah yeah so which like and then is that though is that your

phrase that that writer uh he's that he that's him yeah he's been immortalized in giant mode it's like are you he is he andy circusing yeah i think he got paid like 200 bucks or something that's all that's day right but now they have some poor guy in florida who now has to wear that same suit and dance around and pretend to be the same character wow it's like he planted this little torture game yeah god like said like the in the ultimate move it's now like a virus that is spread to underpaid orlando performers i i i do think someday i'll make it back down to orlando and check out that ride but um it is kind of surreal because it's uh so they did another week of shows there when they were opening the ride to kind of like go promote it and celebrate and stuff it was

a big cross promotional thing it's like the same thing as like universal putting jimmy in jurassic world is like the guy who's oh you know which did feel very jurassic world for all of its like faults like does feel very accurately theme parky and very universal that video is very and like the the hijinks that happen while he's like spilling liquids in a science coat that feels like well that is what it's so true to like what that park would really yeah yeah and extremely similar to like the videos he made for the yeah because he's uh he's the tram the tram guy yeah which i will having why when i worked there it was the whoopi goldberg clips and i will certainly say the fallen clips were an improvement like yeah i now who did the talk to the current guides who have

to watch these videos many many times every day i don't know that you know you're slanted but i like a step uh better written than whoopi but what we got eaten by scarabs that was cool well i like that and i like that they still use it because they didn't do a new one with jimmy and it they just couldn't well what are we going to replace the video that's too much work so and I swear I did one tour where they didn't replace it and you have to say Whoopi Goldberg what are you doing here

and she has not appeared in the tour oh so it's just her looking horrified I forgot that they left her in when I even made that comment just now yeah so they did leave in the best Whoopi thing where she just gets eaten by bugs in a horrifying thing like a horrifying scene. Yeah, yeah.

The entire screen is eaten. And it's just this. I mean, I like it maybe a little bit as a non sequitur that Whoopi Goldberg, who you have not seen up until that point. It's kind of like a good just like out of nowhere cameo. Yeah, that's true. I wonder, though, was it likemy didn't want to get eaten by bugs i think they just forgot that's his contract maybe yeah he just is like i don't want bugs it's a very odd grouping of so it's whoopi goldberg jimmy and chucky i guess the only

characters who appear uh well you have the uh there's as a guide you have a lot of options of videos that you can play or not play oh Oh, right. The writer-director of The Mummy, Stephen Sommers, he'll talk to you if you want. I think they left one Ron Howard, who was the host before, but just a weird stray. You can make it a really confusing mess. Oh, I think still current guides can correct me if I'm wrong, but I still have the option to have like, I'm Frankie Muniz in our new movie. Big Fat Liner. Yeah.

Like still just promotional. He says he has changed his name. He's going by Cosmo now. Just a heads up. Is that real? Yes. Whoa. That was a tweet he sent out the other day.

I want something more mature sounding. I'm going by Cosmo now. Is it Cosmo Muniz or is it just like a single word single that's a great question you will figure we'll check back in on that yeah um i that's really okay so guides don't use the big fat liar scene because he's cosmo it's disrespectful to still use frankie yeah uh chase can i ask a question was the when you were in orlando was it the year that jimmy went on the roller coaster with kevin hart and harry yeah yes okay because i remember that which is funny because i found a video of what we're talking about today with two other celebrities

going on i saw this you saw the same thing okay we will we'll just tease that delicious yeah this is a real like right now torture celebrities ride. It's a go-to. I'm sorry. To correct myself, it's not Cosmo. It's Cisco. Like Cisco Systems. Not like SongSong Cisco. S-C-O. I turn 34 next week, and I think I've finally outgrown the name Frankie. It's very childish.

So from now on, I hereby declare i want to be called dot dot dot cisco cisco just screams professional adult who's got his shit together yours truly cisco muniz s y is that what you said cisco or is si no c i like communications oh right yeah so it's not like benjamin cisco from star trek deep space nine and it's not like Benjamin Sisko from Star Trek Deep Space Nine, and it's not like Sisko Thong Song Sisko. No. It's a different Sisko. It's a different Sisko. Formal Sisko.

How seriously is he taking this, do we think? I don't know. I don't know. We're going to have to- And when was this announcement made? How long has it been a post-Sisko world? 11-28, November 28th, 2019. Oh, wow.

Jeez. We're going to have to do a whole deep dive on this, I guess. Something spurred him on Thanksgiving Day. Start practicing in case we have him on. Cisco. What about you changing your name, Jason? Oh, I'm Cosmo now. Now that you know Cosmo is free.

Yeah, take it. No mistakes, only gifts. But as far as we know, Cisco hasn't been on this ride. Other celebrities have. And the three of you have been on this ride. And I was just in Orlando and I did not take the opportunity. I'm curious what I might have thought. Did you even for a second think about it after all the progress you've made in your life. And what you're referring to is that I went to Orlando and I was doing a lot more launching because I was dubbed a no launch queen.

And I've tried to overcome that. And I did a lot of launches specifically in Orlando. I did not do this. Now that we're talking about it, I kind of wish I did it. I feel like it was just a jam-packed day a little bit that's that's a bad excuse but like uh not only that but you guys did it but you also were like you kind of uh complained about a little you were a little like it was rough well yeah we had complained about it sorry oh no is it uh has it like is it rocky well what's it's it's interesting because

they've they redid the whole track a couple of years ago. Yeah, yes. I have written it pre and post that. Okay, so you have it. Because I've written it three times in my life. You've written it like 50, I think. I've written it dozens of times. I love this ride. I love the first version of this ride. I'm going to come out right away with a hot take.

The new version is worse. Yeah. It's bad. It's not as good i miss the the the i miss bruce banner silliness i miss bruce banner saying oh i think it's gonna work this time like i miss him being locked in that cycle of failure like he's just fucking up every time i yeah and you know on the fourth no yeah that's when you launch. When you go from nine miles an hour to 40 miles an hour in two seconds. And now it's just like a very sedate kind of, it's a female voice who just sounds kind of like a launch code person or something like that. Just saying like everybody stay calm.

And they kind of, they change the story i have like i have complicated feelings about roller coasters that are trying to also be a themed ride because i feel like it complicates things like and i think it's really hard to do like i rode the incredicoaster um at disneyland uh earlier this year and i think that's maybe a more successful version of it but i also think like it's very hard to like cram a story into a roller coaster. Yeah. And I think that this one, they made the story like more complicated. Yeah. It's the only re-theming I can really think of that gave it less of a story.

Yeah. Like. They took out a lot of the Bruce Banner, the Hulk. Yeah. The Hulk. The titular Hulk. The guy. Yeah. And they added a lot more Thaddeus Ross, everyone's favorite general.

Colonel Thunderbolt Ross. Thunderbolt Ross, the antagonist of the Hulk. Yeah. Not an enemy, sometimes friend, sometimes enemy. He's his girlfriend wife's father. Betty Ross's father. Yeah, so it's like he's just always mad at Bruce. It's like a real 60s sitcom

relationship. This guy's dating my daughter and I hate him. He's a bum. He's a real good bum. In the last 10 or 15 years, he is also a Hulk sometimes, but he's red. He's the Red Hulk. It's too much to get into right now. I don't really know it either. I feel like everyone in the orbit of

Bruce Banner's life just eventually becomes a Hulkulk at some point yes it's true there are a lot of hulks i read a bunch of hulk comics from the recent run and it's kind of like a horror thing where it's like in order for the hulk come out uh bruce has to die every time so he has to die and then the hulk can only come out at night so he's just like stalking but then like they are touching on like everyone around the hulk gets infected by gamma in some way and they're all in a hell of their own making how many people there could be dozens of people right yeah there's a lot of hulks hulkling is a hulk that's his son that's his son who's the newer uh hulk the amazing amadeus joe is a hulk um yeah bruce jennifer walters of course uh yeah you see none of those characters you see and you don't even see

thunderbolt ross i don't know when he became red hulk but we don't even see red hulk in the ride who is fun he's hulk but he's red but you, sorry. I was just like, that might be like a, if you're going to put that character in, then, oh, is that a little tease of maybe they added, they added stuff, did they add Red Hulk? No. I did not do that. He's hiding in a tunnel or something. It's always like, kind of historically, you think of, I mean, most people, if they are aware of General Thunderbolt Ross, i think he is an antagonist he hates the hulk but the ride now is that they want to they want to turn everyone on the ride into hulks yes they're going to do hulkification to you and they show you footage of past test subjects but no bruce

banner yeah so the hulk you know so this ride should now be called other hulks because they have shown you other hulks and you are about to become a hulk or like hulk yourself hulk yourself go hulk yourself is the name of the ride well i did i did copy paste a quote i think from uh terry koo i could be saying both of those words wrong it was like a big universal major universal person at this point i think it's from him is it theory coop very well i think yeah or a mix of uh either one i don't know uh but i this phrase was this press release phrase was so odd i had to say it exactly we wanted to give our guests a first person experience on what it's like actually hulking out so the whole that's the point of it is how

you're hulking out you kind of already did that yeah like you were helping bruce because the original story was that bruce was going to try the hulk experiment again this time thinking it would unhulk himself that's what he thought yes yes he thought he would synthesize the Hulk out of himself. And what it really just did was wake up the Hulk. More so. Or just the same. Not even more. He's not twice the Hulk.

He's just the Hulk. He's normal Hulk. But he's angry. Which in Hulk rules. But the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets. Yes, that's true. And that's why they can never kill him, because it just makes him stronger.

How do you... This is a little fun. I get to ask all these questions, having not been... I haven't even watched the pre-show, which I should have before doing this podcast, but I just get to now do Q&A. Does he...

Is that conveyed in videos that he thinks... And so by the end of this, I will be un-Hulkified? Do you watch him filling out paperwork? Is that conveyed in videos that he thinks that like, and so the, but by the end of this, I will be on Hulkified. Do you watch him filling out paperwork? Like let me check the un-Hulk box. In the older version.

Yeah. They pretty much tell you like you see clips of the Hulk destroying. Steve said, and he's like, this is why I need to stop this. And my experiment, I'm going to try this to try and undo it. But I'm going to try this to try and undo it. I'm going to try this big cannon. I'm going to get in a cannon today.

Yeah, this big cannon. And then something goes wrong. So that's a classic theme park trope. You're doing something with good intentions and it goes wrong. Especially in Universal. I feel like all the rides. They love it.

The premise of all the rides is like it was supposed to be something else and then you get knocked off course or something like that it was a world it was an open house it was the set of the mummy and then real mummy things happen it's the set of ghostbusters and real ghostbusters things happen feels like a needless layer to add on top of things a little bit except for like i mean for the Jurassic Park ride, it really works because that's fun. Because that's the movie. Yeah. Now, if you lay Race Through New York

on top of this, it is not bad. You are challenged to a race in the Tonight Rider and then you go on a race in the Tonight Rider. It's surprising what happens to you, but it's not the Tonight Rider malfunctioned yeah and i think that the right so basically i left like before when they sent

an email like pick your uh seats on the plane because we're going back to orlando i was like i put in my two weeks that day to avoid it that's it no no orlando this is the last straw um but uh so i yeah so i didn't get to experience it but my understanding of it it's really like surreal seeing it because they created basically i know it's on like new york street and they basically created a small 30 rock sort of yes so everything's kind of styled like 30 rock inside it is that right yeah which i imagine would be eerie for somebody who's yeah there yeah i think i just didn't want the ptsd sure yes but uh it's rare that anyone's place of work is recreated in a theme park unless you've worked in architectural architectural ruins or a crazy man's collection in a giant tower. If you alphabetized a crazy man's collection

of physical beings and dogs. Yeah, very few depicted. But I guess it's like, I guess it's sort of based on the idea of they will race around the studio a lot in go-karts, and I guess that's kind of where they, that was the jumping off point for this idea. Yeah, yeah and things don't they they i'll give i'll give it that credit that it breaks from that okay tradition it's not that a taping goes awry although i kind of like this i'm now i'm

spinning out like the jimmy's kidnapped or like just the you the Tariq is kidnapped. The Symbiontese Liberation Army is back. It's them? It's a real life? They've got a new target, yeah. Oh, no. I mean, they can update. This is a 3D movie ride. They can do a new movie.

I would kind of like to demand a different Fallon story. Keep the Tonight Rider in it, like some of the elements. Yeah. But, yeah, change it. If you have that at your disposal, you're gonna use it right to prevent future kidnappings it does feel like those rides would be easier to update than they i mean maybe not like like transformers has because it's like a hybrid where you're also kind of on a track and stuff like that harry potter one but the ones that are like simpsons like it feels like they could do like

a treehouse of Horror Simpsons where they just brought it out every year. They absolutely could and they never do. That's a very good idea. A scary Simpsons ride. They'll play the Treehouse of Horror music in Springfield and stuff

like that and that's fun, but then you just ride the same ride. That's a really natural, not tortured holiday overlay right and and a good excuse to like liven everything up and do a uh uh you know like brighten the the ride yeah they tried right didn't they try to brighten that screen i don't remember they did that's okay never works yeah yeah it's impossible they gotta do it. Anyways, so... So the current storyline of the Hulk is that you are volunteering for a military experiment

where you will become a Hulk. Now they're trying to replicate the Hulk. So that makes sense. They know how to make one Hulk. So in theory, they can make more Hulks. But why do they want to? Seems like it's scary to do. He hates those Hulks. Why why do they want to? Seems like it's scary to do. He hates those Hulks.

Why is he trying to make an army? He's tortured. It's a body horror story, honestly. The other thing is, so the first one, yeah, science experiment gone wrong. Thing goes wrong is a theme park go-to. This is an experiment that goes exactly how it's supposed to go. They start, as you go out the launch

hill it starts saying initiating gamma exposure hope transformation accelerating yeah and then they say do not be afraid and then they launch you like that pre-line that is the free line before the launch yeah and there's a totally different vibe than it's a very different vibe it's kind of like you have accept your fate well it's like i think that's also like the thinking now and you can see it with whatever they're going to do with avengers like campus in disneyland where it's like you become the avenger suit up sign forms and become a member of blank and it's like it's all about your experience now and it's like i don't know that people care about that like i don't think people just want to see the hulk or they want

to see iron man yeah it's not like i need to like go train walt disney ran into this like with the first batch of fantasyland rides because you were supposed to see it from like snow white you were supposed to be snow white and she wasn't on the ride. And everyone is like, where are the characters we like? Yes. Yeah. And I cannot just be the dead horse, but I kind of like the ride where C-3PO is in charge

and that's why the flight goes awry in all these memorable ways as opposed to where I'm in charge and I'm just stressed out. Sure. I think that we'll drop it there but yeah i think what you're saying not the requisite 20 minutes of it there's nothing i have to say about it uh yeah no i mean i think that yeah i think that it's like fun being around

characters you like and it's like i don't know who's more fun iron man or me mike carlson in an iron suit i wonder if they're kind of taking a page from universal on that because i feel like universal is very big on when the ride is over they're like congratulations you saved the world like the transformers ride well like hey great job you saved i like that obviously but that's one of my favorite things that might also because they clap a lot like at the end of the ride that i think is a tie-in to like when you wrap a day on set and it's like all right they're wrapped and everyone claps sort of thing yeah maybe i like that you're making me realize i kind of like when there's applause for me like harry

potter like harry potter yes uh and I think, kind of, do the Guardians clap? Yeah, well, no, they don't clap, but they wave. It's kind of a name that came out. Yeah, that works for me, too. It's their, like, end of SNL moment, where they wave and thank the host and the musical guest. Harry Potter has video of all of the characters for the movie clapping for you, right?

Yes. Yeah. Does something else have clapping, or am I just thinking about it? It's a good question. Why am I not thinking of clapping? Because I do like it. I mean, they always, on the mummy, when you get off the mummy, they always clap.

Well, the cast members clap. But the characters... Spider-Man takes your picture at the end. There's no clap. Like, Stan Lee doesn't clap when he's driving a truck. Somebody help us out here please respond on twitter uh another ride that ends with applause i feel it doesn't does do any of the star tours endings end with applause uh i don't if you land on batuu dude i don't think there's no one no i just just landed on Batuu and Star Tours like a week ago and there were no

claps. I don't know. They're going about their Batuu business. I think, yeah. When you're in Gungan City, you end up just up on the ramp. On the marina. It's very interesting as I go through the scenarios. Sometimes. There's the Naboo one where you almost get beheaded or you almost get impaled.

That's the same. That's the same one. Should all be clapping. You like being thanked. I like being clapped at. It makes me feel like I finished a show. A nice round of applause makes everybody happy. Tonight Show, I wonder. I don't remember.

What I'm now calling Tonight Show the ride. It feels like that one probably ends with you back in the studio, right? It does. Spoiler alert. But you're the audience. Right. So why would they clap? We're clapping. Just help us out on Twitter.

Tell us another ride that ends with clapping. I know there's an obvious one, and I'm not coming up with it. Okay. So the reason I think, because I was thinking about this. I do like aesthetically the ride looks like a little more modern now. It doesn't look like the gaudy great. Don't get me wrong. I'm not the gaudy great don't get me wrong i'm not saying gaudy in a bad way marvel superhero island they stripped all your purple

yeah i know that's a bummer marvel superhero island itself looks like it's stuck in the 90s but hulk looks a little bit more modern and it's like as you're saying like there's not like characters on the ride so it feels like any kernel of character, like that has been stripped away. So we're just like begging to just please give us a little of the Hulk and that's gone. Yeah. It's just like that. We were like, we're starving. We're thirsty for Hulk.

And now he's missing from the ride that barely, he's not in it at all. Well, even just character in the other sense of like, there used to be a lot of purple and green everywhere. Like the color of Hulk and his cartoonishly purple pants. Yes. That's fun. That's kind of fun. Now it's all like drab. It's all like dark blues and silver and stuff.

It is sort of a color scheme. I think you would, you're going to get, if there are another Hulk ride gets built, like that's probably the mode. We're not in a cartoon mode. We're in a like making superheroes grounded and real yeah and that's why they took out the flat with the big adam cubert drawing of

banner becoming the hulk and put in the big hulk statue where he's ripping the track apart which is cool like that looks cool that's the old track that they replaced they used it for like the hulk ripping it apart it's like yeah it's like if you went to Peter Pan, though, and it was just a Peter Pan statue outside, and that was it. Yeah. You didn't get to see him. I do kind of like the...

I miss the purple. That is just such a fun comic book-y color combo. Yeah. You just don't see it. That's so him. I do kind of like... They added a lot of LED sizzling kind of like sizzling like effects and stuff like that when you're in the tunnel because it used to just be lights right yeah it used to

just be blinking colored lights and now it's kind of yeah it is more led that looks nice that stuff is clearly unimproved but at what cost you know yeah at what cost i'll say this i think so uh there i read a site that didn't seem to have the most confident info on this, but I think that could be the longest array of LED screens anywhere. Interesting. It doesn't mean it's the biggest LED, but it means it's longer than whatever's in the Space Mountain lift. So if length does anything for you,

then that's good. Can we talk about, though, maybe the most prominent plus-up, which is the score? Oh, well, of course, yes. I was waiting for us to get to this. Of course, there used to not be any score that probably just kind of roars like the Hulk screaming. But there is a new score.

Would you fill us in? Why the score added in 2016 is by Patrick Stump of Fall Out Boy. Lead singer of Fall Out Boy. We are now rocking with Fall Out Boy. And what I put together is, okay, so this is summer 2016. This overlay happens. And this is the exact same summer that Fallout Boy is rocking the planet

with the new way a thousand times better theme from Ghostbusters. Answer the call, Ghostbusters, I'm not afraid. To use the example of the, to use the ride that we're talking about, Ray Parker Jr.'s Ghostbusters is a real like wimpy Bruce Banner of a song. Right. And they turned it into the Hulk

that it was always meant to be. So this is an all-star summer for Fall Out Boy. and they turned it into the Hulk that it was always meant to be. So this is an all-star summer for Fall Out Boy. The 2016, the year of the boy. Is that when the Uma Thurman song came out? The Munsters? Is that them? The Fall Out Boy song? That is them.

Is that around then too? Uh-huh. Can I just, I have to admit, I had it queued up on Spotify Just a little taste Yeah baby Wait which one is this Oh

Yeah What Oh What? Whoa! That style of singing and when he gets around to it. Only visible man! What an insane phrase to scream in that way.

And then Missy comes in who is afraid of ghosts i'm not afraid of ghosts what would you do for the new one who would you have redo it in a new the right man the new right man jason rightman movie oh geez stumps back baby yeah i think fall out boy's back fall up fall boy again and we're just increasing the time the time by 10 it's like 10 times faster and louder way way way no no because ghostbusters it's a it's a team it's got to be a team up like fallout boy and missy uh and i think uh you know what yes yes well i'll include what you said, but also add. Yeah, no, this is it.

All-star lineup. Fall Out Boy meets Chicken Foot meets Jared Leto. Oh, wow. Jared Leto. Or 30 Seconds to Mars. Let's get them all in there. Yeah, let's get all my other favorites. Mike. Oh, yeah.

Chris has got to come. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. And you know what? Bring some of your weird cult friends, too. Chris has got to come. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. And you know what? Bring some of your weird cult friends, too. Bring the Jared. Yes. Backup. Backup. Chorus, vocals

from the entire Jared Leto cult. Okay. I'm not afraid, not afraid. There's 5,000 singers on the new version. For the listeners who might not know, Chickenfoot is Sammy Hagar's band that he has with Michael Anthony from Van Halen, the drummer from the red hot chili peppers and halen who's that i know i never heard of that outrageous uh who's the other is it steve vi isn't he in the

group oh really i think he might be in the group as well uh all of and uh they all get a guitar solo yeah all like a minute and a half the new ghostbusters i'm still not afraid i want to be 35 minutes long i mean i welcome that that is right up my alley i'll say this for the hulk score i don't mind it i don't know it's a pretty standard roller coaster score and the q theme is is fine too uh yeah i don't i don't hate that part of it but i'll say this i just just i just forgot about ghostbusters i'm not afraid i just needed to i needed to express it um they they made a big thing of like we replaced the whole track and brand new cars and it is i find it no smoother if I kind of find it rougher.

Yeah. I think it got harder. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It's like the first time I rode it was before, and it was like a couple of years, maybe a year or two before they took it down. And it's very intense, but I wasn't like my neck or head didn't hurt that bad. At the time, I thought one of the smoother like metal coasters.

Yeah. How did you hold up on this ride? It's very weird for a track post-renovation to get rougher. Because there was a roller coaster at Six Flags called the Ninja. I remember it was a big deal when it first opened. It was back in the 90s. And it was the first... It might have been one of the first metal coasters

at Six Flags Over Georgia. And it had six loops and that was like a huge deal. It was the most loops that they'd had in the South, I think. And it was like a super smooth coaster when it first opened. And then it's almost unrideable now like when you ride it it just ping pongs your head back and forth uh on the headrest and yeah i mean i i think i i agree i think i think it's it is a little you don't you don't want to have to like force your head

to the back of the headrest to keep it from banging around yeah you shouldn't be doing any work with your own body yeah well on a ride when i wrote it two years ago i don't remember what i was doing with my head but i remember getting off and being like and lindsey and i both were like oh why does our head hurt so this time we went on it and i was trying to like okay i'm gonna like kind of relax yeah so i relaxed and as yours is just as you described my head ping-ponged once or twice. And I went, oh, shit, I can't do that. I can't relax on the ride.

The original version of this was actually pretty good. I didn't find that happening a lot. But the redo, and I admit, I'm sure part of it is also my brain is slowly decaying as I get older. I can attest to that. I can't do this three times in a row anymore uh but when you and i wrote it i thought it was it was all right but i went back later that day and i felt like i'd been in a fight you did it again i did it again that day we did days later we did it and even though even though my head ping-ponged and there was a spot where i almost grayed out a little bit where i was like oh like yeah i was not in like i did not have a

headache after it was better than the time before we rode in the front we wrote front row yeah are you guys are you guys typically front guys or back guys uh i am scared of i'm trying the past few years i'm trying to get better at roller coasters. So I generally don't want the front. This just sort of happenstance, we ended up in the front. Okay. Yeah, for this one, it's kind of fun to be, typically, like, I don't even know if this is fucking true. But the idea that, like, when you're in the back, you're going faster because you're being pulled.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, the back is faster, the front is scary because you because you get to but the front is you kind of sacrifice that thing of like oh well you'll also be like further down the hill down the first hill before you pick up speed which doesn't really apply on this one because it launches you and i still remember very vividly i think maybe my best experience on this roller coaster was maybe the first time that ever did it because i did not know that it was a launch coaster i didn't know that was going to happen and the first time that happens it's so like unexpected yes i guess it's what you're in the the time in the canon yeah so it's possible to be looking at it not know that it's not just a slow climb through yeah and and it was the first launch coaster that i ever

been on so i i just didn't know that they could do that like yeah yeah i'm used to the click clack all the way to the top like that's kind of the that was the traditional experience and that was what i'd always sure it was what i was accustomed to and it launches you up at an angle into a zero G roll. And then you drop 150 feet down. Yeah. Like it's great. Like down heading, like you're going to hit the water. There's a lot.

There's a lot of a fat Cobra rolls. And, and I think it's called bunny hops. It's like so many. It's such a crazy thing, but I still, I prefer this launch because the thing that gets me is the anticipation yeah usually it was as being a scared kid and like i never went on

most of the six flags the great america coasters even though like when batman came out it was the same thing where i was like oh cool a batman ride and my mom's like i don't think batman's actually like on the it's just a roller. That's another one, yeah. It was frustrating as a kid because I heard Batman ride, and your mind runs wild with what that should be. Yeah, Six Flags over Georgia, all the Six Flags, actually. I went to the one in Massachusetts earlier this year, and there's so many rides that are like, it's the Riddler ride or the Joker ride.

It's like, I mean, not really. It's green or it's the riddler ride or the joker ride it's like oh i mean not really yeah it's green or it's black or yeah six legs coasters to age like a fine wine that you have just opened and the clock is ticking like you have to drink it if you drink it a few days later it will be cooking wine three days three days yeah i'm getting i was just deciding we didn't really talk about it but jason and i just did the most anxiety inducing law there's a thing called hang time and knots berry farm that takes you up like that rip ride rocket 90 degrees and then it just dangles you off the top for like what feels like five minutes it's probably 25 seconds yeah but you're just hanging there on the top and i've never i if i was a kid maybe i would have like started crying but i've never

been that anxious in my adult years going on a ride as i was like clinging to the front as we're ascending 90 degrees and i'm just laughing like i'm just laughing because mike's just sitting there going oh my oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Well, then we got it. You said goodness? He was saying goodness. No memory of it.

No memory. You're the most good boy in your personality. If my mom is listening to this right now, she went, that's nice. She's very happy about it. You yell, I think when we got stopped we did the stall at the top you just yelled oh my god it's taking so long you just started yelling i didn't know i didn't realize like it just yeah it does feel like an eternity out there anyway so like the the it's a dream at the launch hole i'm sorry we get it over with yeah well we later that night

right before we walked to our cars we rode uh i think it's called ghost rider yeah yeah and it's not it just looks like a smaller wooden roller coaster it's practically in the parking lot and i never gave it much mind and we got on it and it is one of the most intense things oh my god it's a hell ride it is i would put it up i wouldn't do it again i did it one time i'll do it again but i like it does like scare the shit out of me i had to just hold on to my glasses at a certain point because i was worried they were it's just a wooden roller coaster but they redid it it's just so intense it is up there with a hole it's psychologically disturbing but it's so loud

wooden coasters are scary in two ways. The ride is scary and then you're also just never sure if it's going to be the last one that they ever do. The whole piece just snaps off. Do you have an ideal type of coaster or coaster? Are you a coaster guy?

Yes, I am a big coaster fan. Although, this is an unexpected thing. I am a big coaster fan. Although this is like an unexpected thing. I am finding that like my past few theme park experiences were usually, you know, I go to Universal a lot. Went to Disneyland for the first time this year. I grew up going to Disney World. But, you know, went to Six Fl six flags a lot liked coasters uh loved them as a kid and would just do them over and over again all day but like this last experience going

to six flags uh in massachusetts um i we did the skip the line pass and i bit off like more than i could chew it was like my like 35 year old stomach like couldn't handle it because it was fun in the moment and then like i had i had horrible anxiety for like the rest of the night we were back home and like we went to dinner and stuff like that and like i just like my heart rate was jacked and like it's like i can't do that many roller coasters in a day anymore it was also like i think it was because we skipped the line so we we did everything and then did a couple things twice and stuff like that yeah um but yeah it was it was intense six flags kind of fucked me up i yeah i believe was it more your stomach now more than your head because i just find like a little

my head is a little bit my head too yeah yeah it was like it's just kind of a dizziness that like didn't go away yeah when we weren't riding the rides anymore. Yeah, I think I'm going to be more of like, I'll stick with more of theme rides and dark rides and stuff like that. There's nothing wrong with that. Nothing to be ashamed of. Is it sort of like, were you ever, was there a peak age,

really for any of you, was there like, and that was a time where nothing bad ever happened to me? Nothing bad? Or you mean just like I would never? Or the physical toll, where it's like I could do, I could ride roller coasters the entire day, do everything five times and be fine. The problem with that, I think, is that I'm at my bravest when it comes to rides right now. Yeah, yeah, me too. So I didn't, yeah. So I didn't, look, it's a journey, you know?

This podcast, we're all on a journey, really. That's where we started at. So, yeah, I don't physically, I'm trying to remember, because I've, last year, or I guess this year, I went on the Guardians six times in a row, and by the sixth time, I was a little bit woozy, but I still held up okay wow do you got do you prefer guardians to uh tower of terror did you guys you guys tear up tower

we've taught we talked a little bit about it's tough because the theming of long story short the the florida one is better than all of them in a lot of ways because it has a really cool fourth dimension room which moves forward and that's like very unexpected for that elevator to go that way. Yeah, I remember that because that was part of Tower of Terror as well. Yeah. Yeah, and that's not in the California one. Not in California. I never had that. I always get annoyed when a ride is not the same in two places. Like one of the other areas that I pitched to Scott was talking about the

mummy ride because the one here sucks my balls. And the one in Florida is great. There's a whole leg of the ride. There's a false ending of the mummy returns ride in Florida that this one does not have where the ceiling catches on fire. You see like what looks like a ride operator. It's a fake ride operator and they shrivel up and die and stuff. It's so cool.

That's just not... Also, Brendan Fraser thanks you at the end of the ride and that's not part of this one as well. Does he get eaten by scarabs? It's implied he gets taken. It's like a ghost creature. I don't think it's a bug. It's a ghost. A spirit.

He just finally got his coffee. I was excited for a second. He just finally got his coffee. I like rides where people get eaten by scarabs. Yeah, clearly. It's pretty limited. Yeah. That's what I like. You're definitely dealing with mummies.

I know what I like. That's another, with that applause thing I was talking about, that's another, like, here's this little, like, you know, talk amongst yourselves or write in our comments or anything, but like worst ride ratio or whatever, like biggest difference, worst difference between rides in different places. And it could be mummy.

I think that's got to be it. And I've gone to the park with people who haven't been on the Orlando and will ride that ride and like, that was really fun. I'm like, you have no idea what you're missing. PhilharMagic has its, really has its fans the Florida one really has its fans I found after we talked about it

the theater is obviously built for it in Florida the Tower of Terror though real quick to answer the question the Tokyo one is the best themed one I think even though it's missing a fourth dimension room but the Tokyo one is a completely original story and I think I like that aesthetically the best the one in florida i like the tower of terror aesthetic better than guardians but i will say this the i'm used to having fun on the actual drop which is what happens on guardians so you get a little fun

you get the music and on anytime i've been on the old like the other older ones i find the drops lacking yeah so it's hard the more active uh and then yes the launch the initial launch of guardians yes you like i like that a lot i did too i like to do and do you think the guardians drop is longer it is i think it's the longest one of all of them i could be wrong i when i wrote it i was like it didn't feel like it's as long as when it was terror of terror but i could be totally wrong it's been years since i've been on terror i think it's the longest one somebody could probably correct me florida terror terror is partially the view is partially obscured by the letters right yeah imagining that hmm yeah i think i see the letters of the hotel maybe yeah yeah i think they made that longer after a while and maybe those are similar the one in tokyo is short it's like closer to the

original but they then do a thing for a couple months where they make it longer and then the one in paris i saw i don't i don't know when it starts or if it has started already oh they're doing three they're doing three different ride profiles for the tower of terror and i wonder if they're doing it seems like they might be they i wonder if they're sort of doing a type of guardians show only like twilight zone related so maybe you do go on down and you see stuff open up while you're going up and down yeah which is cool and like would plus that ride up everywhere and then you get to keep the cool aesthetic of the towers i wonder did you feel it with your first disneyland visit did you feel a lot of like

better in florida better in florida like like growing up there um i i really enjoyed disneyland um i don't know how the sizes of the parks compare uh but there was a lot of stuff in like california adventure that i really liked and there was stuff that you know wouldn't have been there when i was a kid that was here at this like i liked the uh radiator springs which was interesting because i don't care for the cars movies but i think that's a really fun land yeah um that ride is really well executed i think yeah that's and that might be the crate that might be the biggest sort of gap between people, adults maybe, liking a movie and everyone loving the ride. The ride is the best Cars thing that Pixar has ever made. It's better than the films.

It is a rare, that's an interesting category too, like where the ride is better than all of the, than the multiple films. I guess I kind of feel that way about, and sorry I'm jumping around so much, but I I guess I kind of feel that way about, and sorry I'm jumping around so much, but I do, I kind of feel that way about Transformers as well. I enjoy that ride more than the movies.

That maybe should have just been a ride. Like, it didn't need to be a five movie franchise. As Marty Scorsese says, theme park, he's talking about

these movies that have a lot of effects and Transformers is honestly even a better example than the Marvel movies because transformers is literally just metal smashing against each other like every movie is mostly that maybe not bumblebee i haven't seen it but it is like such an aggressive thing you may as well just be uh along for the ride like you are on the ride yeah can i bring up a a hulk related thing because we're recording this a little bit early

this we're doing this in December we can say and this is going to be out I think I could be wrong but I think we're putting this out beyond the time which by this point the Oscar nominations will be out and Mark Ruffalo certainly definitely will be nominated for best supporting actor for uh for the whole yeah as we know because they are marvel or disney is nominating 13 avengers for academy awards is that true they are yes there's four-year consideration campaigns for 13 of the avengers which one is yeah i mean the whole list is somewhere i mean for sure i mean the i got the screener and it's robert downey jr on the cover the cover of the screener looks like a like an indie drama that costs like yeah yeah you think it's a movie about slavery or

something yeah it's real they change the font yeah it is definitely not like avengers it's avengers i'm really surprised that that this is the one i mean like you know i think all these movies do pretty well with critics and stuff like that, but I'm surprised that Infinity War wasn't the one they pushed more, because that was more the Empire Strikes Back kind of ends on a real down note. Darker, the boldest story decision they made, maybe, and then this is just wrapping it all up. But it's a way to honor all of their careers.

So go ahead and read who are now. I got the last tier. There's at some point a cap. There's only 10 slots, but certainly 10 of the slots are filled by some of these. Well, there's... It says 13. 13. Yep. Robert Downey Jr., Chris

Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Josh Brolin. Renner! We know Renner's one of them. Definitely Renner's getting there. Congratulations. By now we can say, congratulations Jeremy. What will you be wearing? If he doesn't win, he's going to kill himself and his wife. That was something that he didn't just invent it.

So please, Academy. Heaven don't have a name. Fall Out Boy, did they ghostwrite that Heaven Don't Have a Name song? Oh, we're bringing Renner's in on new Ghostbusters songs. They're all in. Oh, my God. Why didn't I include them before? Did I say Cheetle?

Scarlett Johansson. Gwyneth Paltrow. Paltrow, Pepper Potts will be nominated. Paltrow couldn't remember that she was in a movie. Well, I think that's cute. Honestly, I like her not knowing she was in the movie. But she's barely in the movie. Well, I think that's cute. Honestly, I like her not knowing she was in the movie, but she's barely in the movie. Yeah.

And I think there's no question that Karen Gillan will be nominated as Nebula. Nebula is not. She's in the list. I forgot that movie was this year. I forgot I saw that in June.

And Brie Larson, who disappears from the movie, she starts in the movie and then they go, oh, she's got to go somewhere else. And then she's gone the whole movie. She peaces out for the entire second act and and she shows yeah she shows up at the end everything's okay everything's good now she doesn't flinch when thor's hammer

goes by sure behind closed doors hollywood's still incredibly sexist and racist but uh she didn't flinch when thor's hammer went by. Problem solved. We fixed her. Yeah, sexism is gone now. I think maybe Mr. Rogers sneaks in there. Maybe Tom Hanks, but the rest, I think we're talking, I think it's Renner v. Downey v. Ruffalo. Can you write in votes when you're, like I think you can, right, for Oscars nomination?

I think so. Who? Because honestly I'm not satisfied with this list. I think we should give a different Avenger an Academy Award. Well they kind of did Tom Holland dirty. Right? He wasn't on that list. Oh because Holland's not it. Yeah you're right. Oh he just shows up at the end I guess. Yeah but he's fucking Spider-Man.

It should be all. Is Cumberbatch on there? No Cumberbatch. He again. We don't spoil his friend game. He shows up at the end because he was snapped Spider-Man. It should be old. Is Cumberbatch on there? No, Cumberbatch. He again. We don't spoil his friend game. He shows up at the end because he was snapped out of there. Let's see, though. Who else? Should Rocket win?

Our favorite theme park character, Rocket. Bradley Cooper. Should he? Our favorite James Cagney impersonator. Yeah. Rocket Raccoon. Rocket shows up at the end. But, you know, he might have trouble getting into the event.

Yeah, I wonder why. I wonder why he wouldn't be able to get in. Because the Oscars famously use a hand scanning system. We've got to go up in the gantry lift at the Kodak Theater. Busting into this year, Academy Awards. There's all these stupid articles about who should host. Rocket should host. Oh, my goodness.

Rocket and Deadpool together. Oh, hell yeah. Let's just do Deadpool. Let's nominate Deadpool. And for the first year, NC-17 rating on the Oscars. Yeah. Oh, man. They would be Raz and Nicholson, maybe maybe if he's there. I guess he hasn't

been there in like a decade. But if he was there front row, Jack, you got a hand scan, Jack? And then like, he just puts them up. My hand scan. Like, they're doing a bit. That's great, honestly. And then like, but seriously, folks, there's a lot of epidemic problems

in Hollywood and the way women have been treated. treated is not good. We're going to turn to Groot for more. This is a dicey topic, so I'm going to let Groot take this one. Groot unfortunately backed out because of old tweets. Excited to announce this year's host, Groot the tweets say I am Groot but they mean really racist things my god look at this I am Groot from 2012 you son of a bitch wow so this is gonna be an all Avengers Oscar year interesting it'd be so much fun I mean it would be fun yeah

I don't even like I don't even know I've, it would be fun. I don't even know. I've never heard the name Nebula. I don't know these movies at all. Nebula is Thanos' daughter. Oh, well, no wonder they nominated her. That's a tough role to play. Anyway, let's get back to the ride. We should also get nominated.

Yeah, you were asking about favorite coasters. I think Hulk is up there for me i think the original iteration of it uh was like really maybe like my top five or top three or something like that i really love it as a teen yeah yeah we uh there were like several years in a row where my family just we would go to to universal studios and and i think we tended to be more of a universal family than a disney one um i think maybe like the rides better we went a lot in high school because it was just nice to stay at a hotel stay at the hard rock and walk over to the parks yeah like we just got into that that i have a very specific memory of like going a month before i started college and like there was like had the express pass so walked right on the Hulk

a bunch of times and I'm like yeah this year's gonna be awesome don't be afraid yeah well I mean that did it I did my best hopefully it'll work this time hopefully it'll work this time I uh you know I wonder if you guys felt this way.

I bet you guys go in there a little more often closer to when Islands of Adventure open. I think this structure, though I didn't go on this ride, it rising up on the skyline I think was very exciting. I think it really announced a new universal and edgier universal that we're gonna do scarier riskier stuff in islands of adventure uh it says it's gonna maybe better rides any scarier rides than what uh than what disney's doing uh and like to have a big uh super like inversion kind of coaster.

Not inverted. It's not an inverted coaster. But there's a ton of loops and everything. Right at the entrance of this park, it's just really bold. Yeah. I remember when Islands of Adventure was opening. It was really exciting. Because, yeah, up until that point, Universal was mostly like, oh, the Jaws ride. It was rides that I also really like.

But rides that are more about recreating the experience of being in these movies and stuff like that. It was an earthquake ride and stuff it was it was rides that i also really like but rides that are more about recreating the experience of being in in these movies and stuff like that was an earthquake ride and stuff like that uh twister which we all love man uh rip love that yeah i love that twister experience um stage five but uh yeah but um when islands of adventure was it was it was much more of a push for, like, especially, I think, Superhero Island in particular is, like, it really has, like, you know, a lot of good, like, thrill rides right there. The Doctor Doom drop and stuff like that. And I kind of, I also, like, you know,

I grew up reading comics and stuff, so it was really exciting for me to, like, see all that stuff and see that it was really exciting for me to like see all that stuff and and see that it kind of style it's very much like styled like the comic books it's not like you know obviously it predates the mcu and all the stuff but like they're it's very comic booky like even the the the kind of parts of the city itself and stuff that you see everything is uh yeah and and the spider-man ride being like one of the first rides. That kind of ride is copied so much now.

And I remember that being the first one. Yeah. And that was, they spent, I mean, this island was the immediate hit because of Hulk and Spider-Man. Yeah. And they spent so much money developing the technology for Spider-Man. They spent a lot of money developing, like they, Universal Creative, and I think it's MTS Systems, they spent a lot of money developing like they Universal Creative and I think it's MTS systems.

They developed the launch for this like other rides had been launched before, but this was like the first time using this kind of launch system, like literally rigging up a dune buggy on a track at a bunch of box cars connected together. Like there's footage, there's behind the scenes footage of them like testing out, like, does this work? Like, and then on top of that,

again, they spent something like 30 million to 50 million on this ride alone, because then they had to build a power generator. They had to build a specific power drawing device because if it drawed on the local power supply it could brown out the surrounding area every time it launched it uses that much it's got its own like energy center its own energy source which is so marvel-y like big reactors it looks like create a whole it doesn't look as fun as the stuff inside that's fake but it's because i saw a picture oh yeah but it does look pretty neat oh it's cool it's cool

i'm just saying it's not like cool like lights and atoms flying around because unfortunately nothing actually looks like that but like a plot could be a super villain stealing the hulk generator and using it to power a nuclear weapon or something yes yeah from the roller coaster you're saying yes yeah yes so you're saying dr doom or the abomination is going to steal the universal orlando hulk power source it's some world where the real dr doom is in the same world as the park of the fake rides based on him and his friends. So when they revamp it again in a couple years and redo the story again

Yes. That's it. Meta. It's about saving the power grid of the ride that you're on. Yeah and there should be like a, they have to throw up like a dummy on each ride with Doctor Doom holding the power grid and

you hit him and you like take him out. No! So you just shoot a dummy gets shot into the water every two minutes. It's just floating. That would be fun. Coasters doing more full-blooded murdering of people. There's just like

the prestige ending in the bottom of the lake. It's just so many Dr. Doom dummies. An open grave of Dr. Somebody's job at the end of each day is to just. Dredge out the dummies. Dredge all the Dr. Doom dummies. Got an early morning tomorrow. Let's just be in one of the tunnels.

They like put like, then now it's full of. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're plussing it up already yeah yeah uh they spend so much money i mean mother is the necessity of invention dr doom's fearful uh is like an off the rack like launch tower uh drop thing okay so i mean it's it's dressed up a

little and then there's tons it's got a very cool like line and and uh videos and stuff inside but pretty much an off the rack kind of ride yeah because they spent all of their budget on these two massive rides yeah and they're still they're cloning this where they're cloning this for universal studios uh right and it's gonna be transformers though was reading about that and I saw that they were cloning it and I was like, oh interesting, I wonder if they're going to hold on to the Marvel license or whatever. No, because the Marvel license is for America east of the Mississippi

River. So specific. And maybe Japan? And Japan because they have Spider-Man there. Right. Do you guys know what the future holds for superhero island are they going to be able to keep interesting well every few years there's rumors honestly i think it's one of the most interesting sources of of conflict in the park where it keeps it a little weird and

a little interesting that this piece of 1990s marvel and Marvel 1999 is bankrupt, is going through bankruptcy proceedings. And so that it's stuck in that period, but Universal is obligated to keep it up and running and looking nice where the contract is invalid. Like, it's such an odd stalemate. Yeah, the characters have to be represented in that to be off limits for Disneyney in florida so like there's a whole thing with like they could there's maybe like black panther is barely represented in

the islands of adventure so maybe they can use them but legally they have to like still like go through contracts because they had to list out all the characters in the original contract supposedly yeah even though there's like a murdoch murdoch and nelson law office so daredevil's off the table oh right just for one side but since guardians weren't that popular and it was a different version of the team that's why they can use them in florida yeah but there's all every every year or two there's like oh disney their lawyers are talking they're talking about like a trade like an l michaels style trade where they disney traded l michaels or did they trade for you know what i'm talking about with oswald yeah for oswald right there was a big trade between

warner brothers and universal might have owned oswald the lucky rabbit and they made some weird trade for a sports broadcaster al michaels i've never heard of them somehow somehow a deal was made where they always wanted the rights back to Oswald the Lucky Rabbit the other early Walt of Iwerks character that had been tied up for decades

and decades which they still haven't done anything with a little bit but not a ton he's in a video game but like not a little bit but not a ton he's in that he's in a video game but like not a little bit that was all how could that all have been important enough right and then but they yeah they traded l michaels for some like he got traded like he's on a sports team i mean if he makes money i have to remember exactly yeah the details but i but there's been talk of like oh well you know there's things now that universal wants at disney because now simpsons is disney too yeah and they're in universal and there's got to be

some quid pro quo that they could do so and then there's also we hear rumors every time we've brought this up a couple times there's a rumor that jim hill's talked about multiple times jim hill theme park podcasts are about uh the whole land getting a Wicked overlay. And this ride specifically getting a Wicked Witch overlay. Wicked the musical? Yes, the Broadway musical. Like a Wicked Island?

Yes, Wicked. A Wicked Island. They just put a Wicked coat of paint. Which is like some culture war shit. That is like a Fox news guy was like well captain america's out of here and here come the broadway new york actors here comes the broadway performers he said it a couple times it seems insane i mean it seems like i'm not accusing about making it up or anything it just sounds so absurd i mean universal does own that and i do

expect they're gonna try to make a big movie. Well, they talked about Lord of the Rings, too. That was a big rumor. Yeah, but if it was something like that, I mean, it would suck to lose Superhero Island just because I have so many fond memories of it. But if you had to... Really, the only ride that would be super effective

is Spider-Man, because you just can't do that ride anymore. And I think that's the thing. Spider-Man is still such a well-reviewed by guests attraction and also the thing is universal probably wants to keep disney florida from having a big shiny land devoted to the most popular movies right now on the planet like there's probably a there's an incentive for them to keep it away it makes more sense for them not to have disney open this crazy thing that everybody wants to go to in florida you said it's east of the mississippi

right so is that why they can do guardians here yeah and they're doing a whole land next summer so they can do they can do everything here yeah but they can't they don't really use marvel but they yes you're right but they can't use marvel the word marvel for some weird reason so that's why like when they did a summer of Superheroes last year, it was called the Summer of Heroes and not like Marvel Summer. That's especially crazy because Marvel, the official title for every one of those MCU movies is Marvel's blank. And all their TV shows is Marvel's blank.

They love branding it all. Yes, but it's so, especially with all these companies merging and things absorbing I think there's this is probably still one of the most tangled legal things that anyone has to deal with they have a stake in Hulk that's one of the reasons why they're they have trouble getting yes solo movies off the ground so for some reason there's a weird legal wrangling that you can't marvel can't make a solo a solo hulk movie they would have to do the deal like what they did with sony for spider-man right but they can put hulk in whatever they want if he's in something else he's in something else

yeah but you can even make like wolverine versus hulk which is a rumor i've seen thrown around like that's fine you can't just make like the incredible hulk unless they make a deal with universal i don't understand anything about that or why that is but it's very confusing thank god we got that one movie to introduce general thaddeus thunderbolt ross into the mcu beloved character still love to see him pop up he's gonna be in black widow he was in black widow d age the trailer came out last night uh yeah um sorry which which of the live action films is general thaddeus in he's ed norton hulk yeah and a couple he's william hurt he's really the only he's really the only connection that that movie kind of has to the current movies. And I mean, like, I think vaguely, I think Mark Ruffalo says in the first Avengers movie,

he says like, oh, I broke Harlem, which is a reference to like the ending fight at the end of The Incredible Hulk. Oh, yeah. But it's really kind of like the bastard stepchild of the MCU. It was the lowest grossing one. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, Edward Norton not brought over. Not brought back, apparently. There's a Sam Jackson cameo in it? Is there a Chief Downing? At the end, the post-credits is like, is it General? No, it's General Thaddeus Ross and Robert Downey Jr. Yeah. That's so confusing.

Yeah, and it's the second one. It's right after Iron Man. So it's like they put those two at first into the proper mcu you know how much this whole disney thing is fucking and they've taken over my brain i don't remember who put out the first marvel movies well you're talking about the ones we're talking about iron man uh paramount paramount but marvel was no memory so marvel formed its own studio at that point with that whatever characters they had left which they didn't have Spider-Man or the X-Men. And they didn't think it would be a hit. It was a gamble. It was a real gamble.

In the 90s, yeah, because in the 90s, those were the characters that a lot of places were like, well, no one gives a shit about Captain America or Iron Man or Thor. Those are the boring ones. And I won't say, as a kid, I was like, those are the more boring ones. It took the movies for me to

give a shit about Thor. I always thought Thor was like, it took the movies for me to give a shit about Thor. I always thought Thor was like, he talks like a fucking Shakespeare character. Like, I don't. Because all of the big artists were on like X-Men or for a while Spider-Man. Yeah. Which kind of is interesting how little X-Men presence there is at Marvel Superhero Island. But the more I thought about it, I think Hulk and Spider-Man are so internationally identifiable

as part of it. Yeah, I wonder. I mean, the X-Men thing is odd that there wouldn't have been a big X-Men ride. I'm sure that was in the thought, like planning, because it just makes total sense. They were the biggest thing in the 90s. But Spider-Man probably more internationally

recognized. Yeah, and anyone can be under the mask that's a big thing we always talk about that who doesn't disney have now i get so confused okay so they can't make the hulk movie because universal but they can put hulk in anything they want yeah they don't own he can be in lady and the tramp he. Lady and the Tramp. Lady and Hulk and the Tramp. This is the night. They don't have Spider-Man. Sony owns the rights to make TV shows and movies about Spider-Man. They're just licensing, not licensing, they're just borrowing the character. And they almost re-divorced. They almost re-divorced.

They went through a little thing. That was all just posturing, it feels like. That's what, yeah, that's, I will say, I called that immediately. You did call that, I agree. And I was like, they were going to solve this in under two months, and they did. I do think that's an interesting thing, too, because they're

headed for a couple different ways. I don't know if that relationship will last forever. Yeah. It's really tenuous and it's also strange because sony is really still trying to like lean into like oh we're gonna every spider man villain is gonna have his own movie and a lot of those look like they're gonna be like really bad well yeah swiss miss might happen cross scott so sony's making long fingers grow scott have you been taking swiss miss meetings and all the galas so i respect ndas we should all go in the room for

that uh so yeah sony's doing its own marvel universe but just the spider-man characters jared leto's michael morbius the vampire movie coming next year or this year, depending on when this comes out. Hell fucking yeah. But there's also now that we're on the topic of contracts that apparently I like, there's something in the contract of if if because there's rumors that Apple wants to buy Sony. So if Apple buys Sony, Spider-Man reverts back to Marvel. So if there's any big sale of Sony as a whole studio, Marvel will get Spider-Man reverts back to Marvel. So if there's any big sale of Sony as a whole studio, Marvel will get Spider-Man back. I'm like having trouble even wrapping my mind around that sentence.

There's like too many companies in the sentence. Sony is also weak enough that it's like Disney could just buy them. Yes. So Apple, who if they decide that the morning show is not setting their entertainment world on fire, if they decide that the morning show is not setting their entertainment world on fire, maybe they decide. We're watching C. All the big Apple C shows. We love to see it. We love to see the Apple TV+.

So if they decide that maybe, you know what, let's just buy Ghostbusters or whatever. That might happen. Sure. And then at that point, though, they will lose Spider-Man. There's also reports that Marvel was just thinking about, like, giving Sony $5 billion to buy it back. Which, like, they valued Spider-Man at, like, something. It might be more than that, honestly. I am with you, Chase.

I'm like, I need, like, this needs to be a PowerPoint. I need logos in front of me. And I need the logos to move. There's so many characters. I'm so, this needs to be a PowerPoint. I need logos in front of me. And I need the logos to move. There's so many characters. I'm so, I don't even, as I said, I don't really watch these movies. I don't know what Nebula is.

It is like such a dense web. From the Sopranos with like little, like pieces of red string connecting them. If anyone dies, cross them off. Just like, cause take them off my blade. I can't deal with those. Reading comics in the 90s though, actually got me trained for this type of consolidation because so many companies would spring up with like VC money and go under within a year or two.

And then sometimes they get bought by Marvel or DC or sometimes they just fold. Or like Jim Lee's Wildstorm imprint, which was an image originally. Yes. It's just Jim's Lee studio image was like all these guys, six guys, six studios, one company. I'm seizuring. He sold his studio to DC. We're losing him. Right.

He sold all those characters to DC. So now Warner Brothers owns all of these characters he independently created. And by the way, did you know that Cindy Carver's husband, Randyandy gerber has a tequila company i don't want to go to camping world so it's just you know there's a lot going on there's who owns the casamigas uh ip is what i want to know well someone i'll get interested in casamigas green goblin becomes the uh oh yeah I don't know. Constellation Bram. Oh, yeah. Very smooth. Doesn't cut up my throat like Swiss Miz. A big change in this ride occurred before the re-theming that we hadn't touched on in 2011.

Or no, sorry. I forget. In 2011, there were a bunch of incidents of stuff flying out of people's pockets on specifically the Dueling Dragons coaster, which is the other B&M coaster that opened Islands of Adventure. And stuff flew out of people's pockets. In one case, a man lost an eye from this,

like got hit by something. Oh, a real eye. Oh, no, a real eye real like a phone or a wallet hit him in the eye oh yeah that's his origin story so uh universal made the rule for at the time uh uh dragon challenge hulk and the rip ride Coaster is like nothing in your pockets and you have to go through a metal detector. Specifically Hulk and Rip Ride and Rocket, you have to go through a metal detector. There's lockers

that you can put your stuff in. This was not the case for the first 12 years of operation for this ride. What year does it start? This started, I guess it's longer. This started around like 20, or I think with the redo.

I think with like 2015, when they were redoing it, they put in all the security stuff. Right. I would ride with shit in my pockets all the time, the whole coaster, especially at the height of the popularity of cargo pockets it was very easy to just velcro your stuff in an exterior pocket uh because i wanted to see the q videos with my glasses i'm blind as a bat without glasses you were walking sorry i was

gonna say i feel like in a lot of cases like the lap bar or whatever i can't remember if this if it comes down over you or if there's a lap bar but um a lot of times the lap bar can do a good job of holding stuff in especially if it's like a big like you know rubber or plastic one or whatever that kind of covers everything sure yeah yeah this is shoulder restraints that are then buckled in so if the restraints fail the buckles catch and like the sitting down aspect with that restraint does seem like that shouldn't be much of a problem. But obviously it happened a few times. So they don't want to chance it.

I get it with like the standing coasters and your legs dangling. And then like the one I went to at Six Flags. What's that one called? I always forget. The one I went on with Anthony Geo. Oh, X2? Crotch Crusher. Crotch Crusher, which happened again, by the way, on the Hangtime. Mike's penis got crushed, yes.

I said, I think I turned, what did I say? It happened again! The employee came by, pushed the thing on my crotch, and just shoved my penis into my body. And I go, oh my God, it happened again. And I was trying to... I think it happened at Ghost Rider, too.

And you're like, it's not as bad, but it happened again. So, I get it. I get it why it happened at ghost rider too and you're like it's not as bad but it happened again uh so i get it i get it why on the other ones you don't want that to happen or something that's extra crazy but this one does seem like it's not that big of a deal but obviously what do i know i mean it sucks the guy lost his eye yeah and now his story is like someone asked him like what happened he's like the fucking hulk man yeah the machine it uh it didn't wait what's the what's the line it didn't uh work out this oh i i think it's this time it's gonna work the glasses thing i didn't yeah now i remember you had to put your

glasses away my glass away we had to walk a lot and you were like you have to guide me because i can't mr magood because it's so dark the queue got darker too and they're not great at chaining off or directing they're not as good at directing you where to go so everyone in this line is uh vision impaired like forcibly well that's what i was realizing because like i don't know if as many people as me or as or as yeah so do you keep them on during like uh like harry potter and stuff like that yeah i'll keep going for that yeah uh even some i've gone on like even some i think i've kept them on for like california scream and i usually take them off but my dad used to keep his on all the time and we i don't know i wear plastic frames now so they're a little looser

um than like tighter metal ones but um yeah i mean so for so for the hulk when the first version of it i used to like to walk through the queue and watch the videos and stuff and then i put the glasses in a case and put it in my pocket and yeah it's a big i they have to have like a glasses case on the ride they have to put like a little there has to be some like that's that is a kind of an oversight honestly not people walk with like maybe like a pouch in front of every seat or something like that like yeah that you can that seals you know so it's not gonna like nothing's gonna happen to it yeah yeah there's a lot a lack of that on all like at a certain point universal was like nope lockers everywhere

i think the lawsuits probably cost them a fortune yeah maybe getting hit by stuff because then they also had to change like dueling dragons whole thing was the coasters launch at the same time and they go in and out and that's why people got hit by stuff but like there's no lockers on rock and roller coaster there's no there are or not sorry not you're right no not right yeah and there's no california screaming lockers right and there's not as many coasters obviously in disney world or land but if you put if you have glasses on the ride then aren't the glasses gonna hulk out yeah with oh they'll just burst you're not gonna i'm just picturing like you know oh giant glasses yeah yeah big muscly glasses that is a great point his glasses are often illustrated as breaking whereas his pants stay mostly together yeah they're made selectively they're made using

unstable molecule reed richards's invention unstable molecules which we all know about there is a mention meaning that they can stretch oh Oh, that's why he can wear pants? Yeah, they explain it away. Because the Fantastic Four, like Reed Richards, he stretches, so his costume has to be able to stretch. So he made something called Unstable Molecules for him and the family, and then Hulk's purple ripped pants. They're still frayed at the bottom.

The rest of them, they just cover your penis. Yeah, he made it so like the there was like a cool like in there was a ripped pattern in the below it it was all uh stable molecules so those would rip out because it looked yeah because it looked cool yeah then you look like a pirate in a play or something yeah um yeah reed was interested in that but he didn't want one giant Hulk ball hanging out. No, no. Just a massive... Just one. That's what I like.

Well, not the full penis, but just one ball to where you'd be looking up at it like, what's that? Oh, oh, nice. Oh, no. To distract his enemies. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you'd look down.

Huh? Oh, he punches you in the face yeah uh i think i i may have a possible answer for why on like those two disney coasters i think they go slower because hulk while it launches you up to 40 miles per hour at top speeds you reach 67 miles an hour and i think the disney ones might go closer to 40 scream and launch 60 or no is it 40 i thought rock and roller coaster is like 50 something am i wrong that one might launch quickly but maybe it's just the way that the the cars are whatever somebody will answer this is rock and roller coaster and rip ride rocket two different yes yes i always get them mixed up one is one aerosmith yeah roller coaster is

aerosmith yes so one gives you a choice between like six different songs the other one's like no it's aerosmith one gives you six different aerosmith songs yeah yeah theme park specific well aerosmith songs yeah uh yeah just singing about haunted mansion oh aerosmith covers of all of the yeah oh man that would be great uh yeah so i don't know well somebody will answer that question um you know what's i think an interesting little fact about the hulk uh i didn't correct also correct me if i'm wrong on this but i think first universal launch it would have to be right. And I think the first launch

in Orlando. Oh. Because Rock and Roller are not quite open. Is that right? A little bit later. I don't know. I'd have to see, but you might be right. It's close. That tracks, I think, because I definitely remember riding that one before.

I don't think I rode. It's the same year, though, right? Yeah, they squeaked in there. First launch for B&M, the manufacturer of this coaster. They didn't build another launching coaster until, what is it? It's called Thunderbird. It's at Holiday World. That is the holiday-themed park in the Midwest where soda is free.

What? That's the most Midwestern thing I've ever heard. Holy shit. Wait, so is it different holidays or is it all Christmas themed? It's like a Christmas land, a Halloween land. So it's all these different lands and one of their big selling points, they have a few great marketing techniques. One, it's in Santa Claus, Indiana.

Two, parking is free. Three, soft drinks are free. Fountain drinks are free. It is Pepsi products. And it's dancing fountains. You can just walk up to any, just like walk up to a fountain, just fill your cup up.

I will say the time when I went to Six Flags in Massachusetts earlier this year, and I think, honestly, when I'm at Universal, I see more people drinking huge sodas than anywhere else in my entire life. Sure. Yeah. Because, yeah, hey, in the showbiz cities people aren't like doing gallons but uh yeah particularly at six flags there was some kind of like it was free refills or something like that so people were just walking people were lugging these from ride to ride that's what they you know

instead of their like valuables or whatever they were putting like a huge dr pepper in the thing and like getting it when they get off the ride. Trying to wash out the taste of Panda Express Express. Limited menu Panda Express. Made with less care. Well, now imagine the rollercoaster days that are challenging for you, but add more soda

than you drank in a year. It would have been bad. Jeez. That's probably why I would like hit my limit as a child for going on coasters it wasn't wear and tear I was just terribly dehydrated from only drinking soda

yeah there was also some that were just like deceptively nauseating like there was one that looked like almost like a kiddie coaster or something but I don't know if you guys have talked about this type of coaster before I feel like I've only seen them a few times but the ones that looked like, looked like almost like a kiddie coaster or something, but I don't know if you guys have talked about this type of coaster before. I feel like I've only seen them a few times, but the ones that are like,

instead of being, having like, you know, being inverted or doing a lot of loops or something like that, like it's kind of a, like a cart on a track sort of. And a lot of it is like taking hard turns. That's like wild mouse.

It just came up. We were talking about this with Danny and like how, uh, the, how goofy sky school we avoid. And, uh, yeah.

Uh, it's a surprisingly, uh, tough little, and there was another one. I don't think this was the same one, but there was another one that, um,

you spun as you were on the track. So it like doing a roller doing a teacups and the roller coaster at the same time wow which you're looking at and going well this is for kids right and you're on it and like i really i had to we were on it uh it was me and someone else and then we were there with like a little girl and she kept wanting to like spend the thing and i i had to be like i can't do this anymore stop this my insides are 35 please just go on it again with someone else who can handle this uh yeah i know we maybe need to like uh we gotta examine the wild mouse for a long and figure out maybe like scientifically why is it so deceptively freaky? I think the feeling of like, I am going to go over the edge.

That's not how a roller coaster works. It's psychological. It's very like Temple of Doom, mine carty. Even though you know that you're attached, it really feels like the inertia is going to drop you off the side. Yeah. feels like the inertia is going to like drop you off the side yeah yeah and any anytime heights are involved speed just makes my brain forget about the height like that's what i that's what the launch or anything it's like speed is what's tricking me into not caring as much that i'm

very high up right so it's like the wild mouse coaster that's not nearly as high up as a giant roller coaster, much scarier than the other one. And often you can see everything. Yes. It's the one in the dark. Yeah. I mean, that's part, Hulk is so imposing. I mean, it's tallest point is 150 feet above the ground.

And also a lot of it goes over water. So like there's an unnerving feel, but there is a lot of it goes over water so like there's an unnerving feel but there is a lot of psychological stuff with this when they did the revamp did they add any track did they make it longer at all because I was just seeing on on YouTube there was there's a

ride through that was pre the revamp and it's like a minute and a half long and then there's and I don't i didn't watch the whole thing so i don't know if they skip some in the middle or something like that but then the all the more recent ones are like like three and a half minutes or four minutes long which was weird that is weird yeah i don't think no they're they it's not longer i wonder if it's just they're more in show or in pro tree show yeah maybe maybe there was more of like the build-up to the you

know yeah this is strange that they they replaced the track but didn't do anything different i think people were people just so like addicted to that design here yeah maybe i mean it's very well reviewed like it won a lot of awards very well reviewed by audiences it's i but from what i understand it's very hard to add track to coasters that exist because it's like math equation of how much energy you build up and how much you can sustain. Oh, sure. So it's like Tony Baxter was talking about Big Thunder Mountain. He's always been disappointed by the last, in Disneyland specifically, the last, like the third exciting part because it's not as fast as the rest of it.

And he was like, well, there wasn't enough like track there wasn't enough room to do it yeah so it's all like a weird math thing that you never really think about so i think it would be like hard very hard to extend it i would think if you were going to like change something on it you would want like a like a hulk style yeti like on everest like pounding at you somewhere yeah there's a tunnel you go through a tunnel yeah right yes you get a hole in there but you go so fast it does seem yeah it does because like like i was saying earlier with the credit coaster they've they they have like every member of the incredibles family like somewhere along the thing so you and there's like kind of is a story to that one where

you're like looking for you're helping them look for jack jack or something like that yeah and it would be kind of cool if they added a like a couple of hulks along the way or something sure hulkling the little hulk uh baby baby baby hulk like like little shreks like little baby shreks uh yeah i it's like i was trying to think of what the most successful coaster that has characters are theming on. I guess is it Everest? Is that like... Everest is a giant. It doesn't work.

The animatronic doesn't work, but when it did, it was incredible. Hagrid's new? Yeah, I guess Hagrid's is probably the new standard for it. Yeah, it's like it'd probably be too hard to do it as elaborately as Hagrid's. This is the motorbike one?

Yeah. Which is really good. It's something. Yeah. Flight of the Hippogriff. Certainly yes. That's another quickie fix. That's a standard carnival ride.

They gussied up. It's no that. That's definitely something. You can't put it under a building. I will say, skyline-wise, it's fantastic. When you're sitting on that porch at Margaritaville at CityWalk and you see it, it's really nice. It's a real nice picture right there and like it would ruin the skyline to put a big building over it yeah because that's the front of the park well let's um you know here while we're plussing it up and and hulk plus ups

certainly are a lot but here's i but to go back to the marvel superhero island thing i was thinking legitimately okay the deal the deal got made we got to pull out of the marvel superhero island thing i was thinking legitimately okay the deal the deal got made we got to pull out of marvel is out of universal have to fix it they're not going to take this coaster out like that you because you can retheme it what do you do well are we do uh it's probably you have to decide what the whole land is i would assume because it's got to be a whole land i think so i think the others could follow certainly you could you could amend what is like the i mean the drop tower but we've talked about it i think before but it's like is it sure is it just shrek land oh that would you barely got that out like you know the answer is not like you hit the brake platform towards the end of this ride.

I'm trying to think practically here. Grinch. Grinch coaster? There's rumors of a Grinch coaster for years. But there's Seuss land. But you don't want that much Seuss. Too much Seuss. The rides are kind of intense

for it to be Grinch. Yes, potentially. It's how you feel inside when he insults you on his famous snarky billboards. Oh, aliens? Like a Nostromo evacuation? Disney has aliens. Oh, shit.

Disney has it. Oh, man. I guess I could see, even though the rides in that section of the park are pretty intense, if it was like Illumination Land or something like that. So you got Minions, and you got, then you would have the Grinch. Yeah.

Whatever else they've made. Well, we got a Secret Life of Pets coming, bizarrely, post the movie kind of bombing. Oh, Hill Valley? It's a Back to the Future? It's a big DeLorean? Okay. Yeah. What about, it's a back to the future it's a big delorean okay yeah what about that's that's good but what about uh mad about you what about mad about you coaster you have to be a spectrum customer to enter that yes enter your enter your parents login enter your parents vector you are at a comcast park but enter your parents

spectrum jimmy if i mean jimmy fallon has a ride what are their famous envy the today show cafe now oh my god this is us crock pot explosion oh so it's like an accident in the kitchen accident yes yes that's good and then like somebody dies because that happens on every episode i've i've been under crock pot I don't watch the show. There's crockpot explosion. Apparently one season a character died because a crockpot exploded. And then crockpot had to come out and go, our products do not explode. You're thinking of pressure cookers.

Good for them. But yeah, okay. So you're like, now the tube is like, it's a cylindrical kitchen. Yes. And crockpot explodes and launches you on on a journey to death yes that's good always heard rumors about like i mean this is the thing why what you were saying like yeah it was strange they made a tv show a ride like movies kind of hang around the popular consciousness much longer even though they're so much shorter than TV shows and I feel like I remember

in the early 2000s like theme park rumors like well heroes everyone loves heroes they gotta get heroes in the park imagine if they were stuck with that can you imagine if they were stuck with Siler save the cheerleader and save the world save the cheerleader from Siler

you did it you saved the cheerleader and saved the world I'm proud of you Wow that horn room I still often describe saying it You do know me I know you don't know any other Heroes characters but Yeah well you know what

Shows never go away or soap operas So you know you can do These are the days of our lives you're in the hourglass i thought our marriage was gonna work um uh abominable oh the snow the yeah the snowman yeah it can be all be abominable it's now it's a like really intense bobsled ride uh what about superstore yeah what about like your yeah like what could you is there like a pneumatic tube or anything in superstore that they send messages back and forth between anyone watch superstore let me just ask is there any NBC property with a pneumatic tube like at a bank

isn't a character in a wheelchair perpetually cold and done is in a wheelchair all right so yeah you're on a you know yeah okay yeah handicap chair

ride fits it works out for you yeah yeah yeah should. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should be fine. He built, he built a, invented a 16 person wheelchair. I'm not sure why. For like me and him.

I always love that part of the ride in the pre-show when they're telling you why they've invented this completely impractical bigger version of whatever is part of that world. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm sure it would only help the let's make the DeLorean heavier.

That'll help us get to 88 if we're carrying more luggage. Is there a tie-in between the video we saw of the two famous people riding the ride Oh yeah, we didn't talk there of the two famous people riding the ride. Oh, yeah. There were so many famous people ridden by this. Well, the video I saw, of course.

Are you talking about the best friends? Ellen and Usher. Yeah. Yes. Ellen and Usher rode it together, seemingly for Usher's social media. Because that's where this video lives. Yes. Is that? It wasn't. It wasn video lives yeah is that it wasn't she was

down there sometimes i don't know about that i i honestly all i saw she was like i don't know if it was a contrived thing where she's like you're gonna tape this and she she kept like yelling him like you're gonna lose the camera because he's just holding it unless he had it strapped you're really not supposed to do that anyway unless you have a gopro harness or something he was like no i'll be fine and then it's just a nothing really happens like that was really i stopped watching it it's boring boring they're just hanging out yeah they just go on and usher isn't even talking to you he's not like yeah i'm here with ellen we're gonna go on the ride. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. They both enjoy it.

Like the Kevin Hart, Jimmy Fallon video, if you haven't seen it, Kevin Hart is melting down. Yeah. He's losing his mind. On this? No, on Rip Ride Rocket. Did anyone watch the NSYNC and Rosie O'Donnell ride the Hulk? No.

I have not seen that. What? That's wonderful. I haven't watched. Man, the ride is older than I thought. Yeah, I know. That takes you back. Uh-oh. 2012? What? What? that's wonderful wow man the ride is older than i thought yeah i know that's sorry uh-oh 2012 what what wait what is this from 2012 well do we have another they did ride in 99 this

was uploaded in 2012 it was kind of hard to see yeah so 99 they wrote it for her show her show was still going in 99 wow yeah, yeah. Geez. Interesting. Isn't that, Fallon taped, I think, where Rosie used to tape. Mm-hmm. I could be wrong. I mean, they probably just,

it's a nice video of them enjoying it, I assume. Oh, here's them walking up to it. Oh, man. I'm gonna go through all the loops. They've got some big shirts on. Was Lou Pearlman? These are big shirts. Was Lou Pearlman there?

Lou Pearlman and Sink and Rosie all riding together. We got a vest. We got a vest over a short sleeve button up in shorts. Lou Pearlman. He's in dreads. Real life Dr. Doom. Lou Pearlman. He's not allowed in any theme parks anymore.

He's doing too much recruiting there. They're doing a lot of bits and stuff. Well, we'll watch it to see if there's anything good in there. Great. So maybe it's just a celebrity coaster, you know? You're celebrities. Well, that cannon, the pressure cooker you're in, is to simulate what it's like to work at the Ellen show.

Oh, yeah. They replaced the soundtrack with just her screaming at you. Boy, this is a lot scarier than the Hulk was. She did not like that teasing from Dakota Johnson. Everyone bat down that. I saw that. So it's either Alan or Shrek. Got it.

Oh, by the way, it's like Fart Cannon. Fart Cannon. Very good. Oh, yes. We're trying to build the We're attempting the world's biggest fart. The hugest fart ever attempted. As I say that,

that makes so much sense. That Universal would do it. Especially when it's reboot. Shrek is rebooted in a few years. Because Universal's more adult. They'll go there. That's the humor, yeah. Well, I think I dig it. Chase, any last minute thoughts? Plus ups? Hulk

memories? Any hulking out you wanted to? Would you like to hulk out uh no i mean that's yeah it it it is a very fondly remembered bride for me and and uh yeah it's a regret that it's not what it once was but it's still i think it's still fun yeah yeah it's just whatever reason like it's maybe just our ages, honestly. Could be. But yes, it's the pre-show. It's on LEDs and it's all like headache related.

Yeah, as far as the headaches is our ages and the pre-show obviously is their fault. The pre-show used to be a little more fun. Now it looks like the CG you see when like they license the Avengers to like a park in the Middle East that doesn't have the rights to the actor's license, so they just do it real quick in CG.

Yeah, the way that it was before the pre-show video, it was kind of cheap looking in an endearing way. The animation was kind of bad looking. Marvel had a string of cartoons in the 90s and X-Men and Spider-Man were the big ones. And then there was like, all right, turn out some more. So then there was Iron Man and Fantastic Four and Hulk

and those were all just syndicated all over the place. A little cheaper. A little cheaper. Yeah, maybe a lot. I don't know. All right. So we plussed it up perfectly. Yeah.

I don't know what else there is to do. Get i say this is just this is really juvenile and i shouldn't read this let's do it the company that's responsible for putting it up did you see that on the wikipedia what it was called superior rigging and erection which makes a lot of sense but i don't know i've never seen a company with just erection superior rigging and ere't use the direction. Superior Rigging and Erection. Of course that's what it is. That's just the construction company who literally lifted the beams and stuff. Yes, right. But hey, they deserve credit too.

I think I might. Well, here's an idea. Here's how Universal can really spice it up. That island becomes the first adult. It's the first pornographic island. Oh, okay. becomes the first like adults it's the first pornographic oh okay and the and the Hulk is that is then the canon that is you are a you're a sperm getting shot out of an erection well this sounds like actually a learn that's like actually a learning tool maybe too for kids yes that's okay

it's not yeah it's not it's about yeah yeah yeah educational. In the way people, you know, sometimes schools go to Six Flags to learn about physics on the roller coasters. You start going to Islands of Adventure to learn about the reproductive process. You enter in the cowper's gland and you shoot through the vas deferens to the

urethra. That's exactly how the penis works, I assume. Yeah, there's kind of like a glass slide that people will bring around. It's an overlay. You can point at the labels of all the parts. And so that means you would have to, at the station, land back through a vagina, I guess. Or land in a, that's the egg.

That's the. Yeah, no, I think that you, yeah, you have to fertilize to, yeah, that's the, that's the egg. That's the... Yeah, no, I think that you have to fertilize to... Yeah, that's a triumph of the ride. It's a tantric thing. It's internal. It's all internal. Yeah, because you can't see... You're already in the vagina in the universe of the roller coaster.

Oh, I suppose so. You have to be inside already. This is the path of the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. The implications of that not being the case, I don't even want to talk about. Quite frankly, it's too far for me already yeah let's bail before it gets too uncomfortable uh awesome chase bitchley's survive podcast ride thanks for being here thanks for having me dudes yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah yeah thanks for hanging uh let's exit to the gift shop anything

you'd like to plug uh i mean yeah i i that so yeah i'm working for a netflix show it's not it's not gonna be out until 2021 so oh man i don't know if that beats uh in terms of advanced yeah but uh it'll be called inside job and um just check it out whenever it lands and uh yeah i don't know if you want to follow me on twitter it's uh at chase Mitt, C-H-A-S-E-M-I-T. Great tweets. Great tweets all the time. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for being here.

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