Podcast: The Ride - The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Undersea Adventure with Lilan Bowden

Episode Date: June 1, 2018

Lilan Bowden (Andi Mack, UCB) swims over to Podcast: The Ride to talk about The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Undersea Adventure. Also: She explains what it's like to be driven down Main Street in a little car during a parade!!! Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/ FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Warning! If you're a pre-teen fan of the Disney Channel's Andy Mack listening for the first time, this podcast may include mild swears, and even worse, grown men rambling about fake rocks. Recent Disneyland cavalcade participant Lelon Bowden takes us under the sea with The Little Mermaid. Life is the bubbles, it's Podcast the Ride. Welcome to Podcast the Ride, the theme park podcast hosted by three men who judge a restaurant not by the quality of its food, but by how many robots are nearby. My name is Mike Carlson. Joining me as always, Jason Sheridan. Hello. And Scott Gairdner. Yeah, but it's a tough standard to meet these days. Robot-driven restaurants are increasingly few and far between unless it's japan yes which is like every

restaurant has a robot in it in japan as i i understand i've never been of course yeah we've argued about going to japan but yes i have very uh basic understanding of the country that's why you can't spend the whole trip in the disney parks because you got to go see what robots are running around town um believe me when i go to japan it will all be nonsense it's just a matter of how you you want to spread it out sense yeah um let's uh bring a very special guest in though uh you know her as becks on the disney channel show andy mack ladies and gentlemen it's leon boden yeah can you believe it you're here i can i you believe it? You're here I can believe it Yeah, it's very It's very believable

But that's not to say that I'm not Very excited to be here Well, thank you You are our first Disney family member You're in the family Yeah

And after this You will be Out of the family Didn't approve this Yeah, yeah, yeah, he will be out of the fantasy. Didn't approve this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be rough. But yeah, you are on the- Just like the Matterhorn.

Yes, the Matterhorn is very rough. Is this humor on brand? Yeah. It's true. It's such a rickety ride. Did you prepare a bunch of jokes about each ride? No. Okay.

But maybe I can think of them like give me a ride and i'll see what i can do uh space mountain uh tell uh tell you what it's uh with the new buying of uh lucas films it's hyper space mountain that is a statement that's just a true fact oh wait it is hyperspace yeah unfortunately well all right all right

we won't do the rest but if one comes to you please interrupt whatever we're talking about to just make a quick hey quick joke look that's a sort of

off-the-cuff skill that thousands of dollars of the improv classes we took we all took together uh back in the day no uh got us were you all in the same yeah so groups so various uh to really get uh into a topic that's

very interesting to the audience uh jason leiland and i have been taking improv been taking improv class together probably what nine years ago ten years ago yeah probably it's been forever this could be the first time that the ucb theater has been discussed on a podcast yeah no it's very rarely brought up in a in the comedy circle what are the behind the scenes uh like in the comedy world we'll never know someone will answer this question one day right some series of some kind um so yeah we we took improv classes together uh we loved every minute of all of it and now we're here now leland is a big star and the three of us are podcasting talking about rides so we're all doing good star podcast yes yes yes we're not stars we're hyper space stars oh gosh We're hyperspace stars. Oh, gosh. How embarrassing to admit to how many years of improv I've done.

So sorry. We can cut that out. What's the joke on? It has to be Space Mountain in comparison to something. Am I making fun of Space Mountain? Well, on this podcast, we never make fun of Space Mountain. Oh, excuse me. We love Space Mountain.

That's scripture. We're afraid to even. That's on the list of Space Mountain. No, excuse me. We love Space Mountain. That's scripture. We're afraid to even, that's on the list of episodes we're afraid to even do. Yeah. Because some of the rides loom so large, we're putting, we're like punting on them as long as we can. We haven't done Haunted Mansion. We haven't done Captain EO. We're afraid they're too big of topics.

Like the existence of God or not, they're too giant of topics to even tackle. Hold on, hold on. Now, we have roasted the Florida Space Mountain a lot because the Florida Space Mountain uses the same sort of toboggan kind of track that the Matterhorn does. So imagine the Matterhorn but in pitch black and wrecking your body.

Not fun. Yeah. Yeah, it is scary. Turn down a free trip if disney gives it to you it'll mess up your back i can't show weakness in front of my younger co-stars it'll hurt mama's back i can't go does that wait for you at the bottom have do you find yourself trying to i mean impress impress your co-stars? Or do they ever do stuff that's, like, cool?

Do they ever, like, want to, like, hang out behind a 7-Eleven? And you're like, this isn't where people should be hanging out. No. I think when you're, like, you know, the kind of kid that's living the life where you're on a TV show, hanging out behind a 7-Eleven is not really on your cool roster of things to do. It's not like, oh, that's the hot spot where life happens.

Because you're getting invited to the solo premiere and stuff like that. That's a good question. What are they like, you know, you've done the press rounds and you get to do fun stuff on your show. What is the most exciting to your co-stars? To my co-stars? Well, I think it's all really exciting.

You know, I think that it's got to be crazy to be so, like for me, I feel like I revert back to a child when it's like, oh my gosh, we're going to the Wrinkle in Time premiere. You know, we did the, we might talk about this more in the podcast, but we just did a Disney Channel fan fest. Oh, we're going to talk about it. Oh boy. But that was just like.

Wait, which was at where? Just to explain. Oh, it was in Disneyland. Yeah. It was so much fun. And so for me, I just like become a full kid again. But I think that for like for my co-stars, that's a time where they're also growing up, you know, at the same time. So it's like it's like they still have that joy of a kid.

And at the same time, I can see them like managing all this exciting stuff that's like coming their way like they are um like like giving all the the good things like at a birthday party that you could have and being asked to be adults by the amount of responsibility that they have by life yeah and you are you are more just like yes i've hit the minimum for sag health insurance oh it's a good feeling oh yeah like like i hit that party threshold like a long time ago where it's like this is awesome like you know even like just guest starring on a disney show would have been great everything past that point has been just like icing on the cake which has been a cake that is nothing but icing sure that's great let me ask you this has andy mack made you eat a tide pot that's the only thing i know that's all i know about millennials

you know what i actually don't think that's like eating the tide pod is uh is a millennial thing i think that just like you know people of all ages a do stupid stuff right um and when you're experimenting with like you know when you're becoming when you're just like your brain's not mature yet you're gonna do weirder stupider things but you know a couple of kids ate some tide pods because i went down a rabbit hole of like reading articles about uh kids who ate tide pods and it's just like there were enough copycats um that uh that that like it's like oh millennials eat tide, you know, remember 10, 15 years ago when American Pie came out?

And then there was that case, there was a couple cases of kids putting their junk in pies. Yeah, sure. And getting burns because they were putting their junk in pies. They're all doing it. Yeah, that didn't define the generation,

you know, of like, this is the American Pie generation where kids cannot stop putting their junk in pies but now we're in such a think piece culture that uh it it appears that all millennials have eaten tide pods and that all millennials are actively trying to kill the olive garden and apple bees and uh i've seen this so many times wait millennials are killing chain restaurants and they're killing big box stores and they're killing uh go-kart tracks like wait what is this for the downfall lots of things that would have naturally have downfalls so this is a format for articles about like millennials are killing

blank of like it is essentially just changing taste like people aren't as into fat like you know casual dining anymore people want more like a chipotle fast casual mix sort of thing so then the other kinds of businesses aren't going to as much but then there's so many websites that just need to churn out content there's just like a lot of millennial although this week i saw a lot of and at this point like a millennial is not somebody who's 13 you're a millennial no we are technically older you know yeah i made the cut off of it and i love it yeah wait a minute you you're in or you're out i'm in okay i just made it you're you're creeping on gen x though no well yeah i am well you are too yeah is it x though isn't there something in between Just made it. You're creeping on Gen X, though. Well, yeah, I am. Well, you are, too.

Yeah. Is it X, though? Isn't there something in between? Well, it was Gen Y. Oh, wait. What's Gen Y? But then I think Gen Y, like, turned into millennials. Well, it's weird because I think the definition of a generation is, like, you were born within a 20-year age range.

But then there's also, for the sake of popular culture, it's like, yeah, if you were born around here you're this the point is i'm personally killing yes yeah you didn't even realize it but you are there's not an art there should be an article though jason sheridan is personally saving olive garden oh yeah well no that's not true because i i define endless pasta like i see endless pasta and it's like, keep it coming, boys. Jason's destroying our garden in a different way, by bleeding them dry of pasta. I did see this week, the first millennials are saving blank,

which is millennials are saving the frozen food aisle. Apparently, like, frozen... Oh, that's straight up true. Food, like, is very... Especially, like, higher end, like, organic, or, like, natural, you know, frozen. Oh, that's straight up true. Food like is very, especially like higher end, like organic or like natural, you know, frozen foods. Oh, they have my number.

That's what I do. I go straight to the organic frozen food section of the grocery store and then I'm done shopping. Are we talking like Amy's? Oh, we're talking Amy's. Because I like a lot of the Amy's frozen. And then that rice mac and cheese.

Yum. I've had that. That's good. Is that the gluten And that rice mac and cheese. Yum. I've had that. That's good. Is that the gluten free? That's the gluten free? Or no? I don't know. There's gluten free macaroni and cheese for Amy's.

It's very good. All right. Anyway. Do you guys mention a lot of brands on this show? We love brands. We love brands. Like, do you get sponsorship by these brands? No, no, no.

Oh, no. Not yet. But we're open. We're not. If Amy's wants to get involved in Podcast the Ride, we're here. We're ready to have that meeting, Amy's. I think that you're already doing it for them. So I feel like if I was part of the Amy's marketing team,

I would be like, we'll just let this be. Sure. No, wait. Yeah, we already did it. Why do they have to pay us? Wait, no. Okay. Here's what we'll delete out.

This whole podcast is just an ad for these theme parks really i guess you're right i'll say the f word once in a while and we'll be like a little bit uh salty about certain rides but like really people are just listening and going yeah i want to go to these parks and then every now and then a lot i'll drop in like a very forced like oh man you know what i was doing the other day enjoying a great blue e-cigarette like really ham-fisted like just trying to get that endorsement get that sponsorship going that's your number one smooth i gotta keep my podcast and pipes uh running fine yeah i can't i can't have a scratchy voice that's what blue helps me out i quit dip and i've gone to blue e-cigarette it would be great if we all by like in a year or so each had like a separate sponsor.

So like at the UFC when Brock Lesnar has Jimmy Johns on his shorts, each one of us will have a different sponsor that will constantly be plugging personally in addition to many other ads. So we want this thing to become very corporate, very... Do you guys have ideal sponsors? Well, Jason's is a e-cigarette or uh olive garden yeah or or raytheon the defense company i want to be sponsored by grp records a jazz smooth jazz uh a vinyl label

from the 80s that i'm not sure is still around but uh quality albums uh uh kevin eubanks put out a lot of great jazz oh wow yeah so uh yeah kick give me some kickbacks grp records thanks for the jazz um i've been buying a lot of pants lately so levi's i would go for levi's if they would they would be a sponsor of michael also keels in your quest to always look uh younger oh to prove you're on the millennial side of the fence that's true that would prove it personal brand you're interested um i mean uh no okay i don't know It's just like I mean I have things That I like But I feel like Part of My deal

Is that Not One brand can't Own me Unless I guess It's a Disney Yeah Which I'm very happy about

So cool If any brand Is going to And they own Most of the Best things So you're on A good list

So yeah before So we didn't even say like we're going to be Eventually talking about the Little Mermaid Ariel's Undersea Adventure Ride That was your choice and we're going to get Way into it but first we do have To talk about this fan fest That you just participated in

For promotion for the show Let us know How Just tell us I was watching there was a live feed of it for promotion for the show. Let us know. How? Just tell us. I was watching. There was a live feed of it. You were in a little car. You were in a parade.

You were honored. Those older Disney men. He has a little cap on. Pluto was in the car with you. Pluto was in the car. It was a whole thing. It was down Main Street. You drag raced the Ducktales cast down main street

uh yeah it was uh it was super fun i believe it's the first one um that uh disney channel has done um where they take all the stars from their shows and on the the lineup to come and um pop them in cars and we get to do a little uh it's called a cavalcade yeah i love that um i'm gonna show scott a photo of the car oh yeah i'm gonna miss this whoa i learned some really cool trivia about that car that we were in um the driver was i think that's like part of his deal too he's like do you want to know about this car um that car is is uh almost as old as the the disney parks yeah um it's like only a couple years like uh a couple years younger it's like super old and there's only a couple of those cars so there i wish i could remember how many but

there's like five or something and a couple are in here and a couple are in disneyland florida um disney world um and uh the fire engine um that was one was the very first and there's like a whole story that he told me about how the designer of that car literally drove that car um from burbank to anaheim um but it's like it's not a real car everything's five eight scale right so those um i mean it's a i mean yeah it's five eight scale of like a a normal car like main street itself so it fits in yes exactly main street is five eight scale wow and so it fits right in it looks normal he looked funny driving this thing down from Burbank to Anaheim. The cute joke is that a car was passing, and a kid out the end was like,

Hey, mister, by the time you get to the fire, it'll already be out. That's pretty cute. One of the original Imagineers getting roasted going down the pipe. And this was a Burbank long before Jay Leno was constantly driving old-timey cars around. No one was used to it yet. Man, I bet Jay would love to drive some of those Main Street. Has he ever driven one of the Main Street cars? I bet Jay Leno would love to if he ever went down there.

That's an idea for Leno's Garage if he hasn't done it. Yeah. He drives a double-decker bus and stuff? I would also like to be sponsored by Jay Leno's Garage. Sure. That would be cool. He has a show on CNBC. Is that right?

Yeah. Jay Leno, he just goes around and fixes cars and drives cars around. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. That's for some people. Sure. Yeah, it's a foreign language to me, but so is this podcast to a lot of, not remotely.

I can't even, if I have to like improvise fake car facts, I'm dead in the water. 20 horsepower silence. 20 horsepower silence. My pants run away from wherever I am. Yeah, believe it or not, Leland, the three of us aren't big gear heads. We don't love getting our hands dirty

in a garage. Or the sun. Not big fans of the sun. Unless we're outside at a park. Getting our skin toasted. But we do love the Autopia at Disneyland. Actually, we don't love that. I tried to look. I think it was Ward Kimball was the Imagineer

who designed the fire truck. That sounds right. Right. One of the Imagineers? He had his jazz band, the Firehouse Five, or something of that. It was like the Firehouse Five Plus Two, something like that.

Something like that, yeah. It was a firehouse-themed jazz band. Yeah, that's all tracks. I didn't need to keep explaining. That's okay. But yeah, it must be uh i'm done so fire guy oh you know what y'all are cool trivia heads yeah that's not something that i'm really good at like i i uh i don't absorb small facts uh well i can but it's not my strength man

i'm so sorry that you're here then because this podcast we hide our notes our voluntary documents small facts so we made you do this uh eight nine years ago when we would just pull out random bullshit on stage uh doing improv oh i know you guys were constantly like so well uh not as bad as bad as like when I was on tab with our friends Casey and Jacob. They would constantly set me up to no sports specifics. And that was just a nightmare. They'd be like, oh, look, everybody, it's LeBron. Tell us what team you're on.

And I was, you know, I should know. And I did it. And it sucks. That I feel like is easier to fake than just random, like, trivia.

Brady Bunches made for TV movie bullshit. I don't think that's true. If you get the name of LeBron's team wrong, people are going to know.

You can't. Oh, LeBron, you're on the, what team? You're on the best one. My man, LeBron.

You did not take that at all that would not fly in front of an audience would laugh because they could tell you didn't know the best the good team sports is that's not easy to fake at all anyway um wait we distracted from the general yeah yeah so we're back you being in this parade you're in a tiny car in a car some of these cars by the way i look at that that car this is a bright yellow car that you're in a tiny car in a car some of these cars by the way i i look at that that car this is a bright yellow car that you were in and i look at that and i remember seeing footage of parades where like ronald reagan's being driven around and i know it's like that car could have been used by very famous people apparently the fire truck is the one that uh was reserved for

diplomats and like a big big town big time. There was, I think the one when I went, I went alone to Disneyland a couple years to go see Dick Van Dyke in a parade. Wow. And he was driven around

in the car, but I believe it was the green car. So you guys were in a yellow car? Oh my gosh. This is why I wish I knew trivia better

because the driver of the yellow car told me which car Dick Van Dyke was in for his like 90th birthday or something like that, right? Yes, that's what, I was there. I went alone. He told me which car he was dyke oh he did was in for his like 90th birthday or something like that right yes that's what i was there i went alone he told me which car he was in and i don't remember

you've got pretty good recall it's great i'm someone who doesn't know true you got pretty good recall of this uh it's a all the anecdotes this guy gave um i have a picture of dick van dyke somewhere so i can find it we can figure out what car he was in cool um but you so so you guys started the parade back what by small world that's generally where where the parade comes out here's a thing oh i have no idea i have no idea it's just like did you just black out and wake up in a parade yes that's what it felt like well because uh we the the ready station was in the um uh the hotel the california hotel right um and so that's where we were prepping and stuff like that and we were ushered you know um and so we we were ushered

um on a on a like a moving bus not like a parade bus to the start of the parade and uh i don't i didn't know where we were and i i didn't recognize where we were during the parade because I was so overwhelmed with like people waving. Right. And so like it was a blur. I was just like, wow. More photos were taken of you in that. I don't know how long to 15 minutes to half an hour, probably than ever in the rest of your life. Like you got to be on your posing.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like there's no time to like kind of scratch my head and be like wow well this is the fancy land you know like did you just call it fancy land the fantasy oh okay i said it was this fancy land this is this is fancy all of disneyland is fancy land i think that's accurate yeah um besides maybe. Sure. That's rough and tumble. Yeah. But it was a long, I guess, really, I'm asking, it felt like it was 15 minutes-ish that you were actually in the parade?

Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. But it went by so quickly, you know? It was just like, oh, and people are excited. And the cutest thing is that there were a group of uh young girls um who were all together who maybe around like a young teenager age um who saw the andy mack car and they were like weeping oh yeah and like and they were smiling and taking pictures and just like just like overwhelmed and uh payton like straight up like leaned over like the car and was like,

hey, are you okay? And they're like, yes, we're great. More than okay. Wow. It's like Beatlemania. You were like experiencing Beatlemania or something. Yeah. It was pretty wild.

And it was like I talked to Kate Micucci after who was in the DuckTales vehicle and it was like uh like i talked to uh kate mccoochie after who was in the ducktales uh vehicle and she was just saying that she just cried the whole parade because it was just so moving and cool and it's like disneyland is such a big part of you know all of our childhoods and to be like an attraction it is just you, you know, mind-boggling. Made it to the other end of this, where you're literally in areas people don't get to see. Yeah, and you know, I didn't get to take advantage of that anyway

because I was just so like, whoa. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. Yeah, a lot of those sorts of things, you get ushered from thing to thing. Like, you know, people are, it's like, okay, we got to go over here now. We got to go this now we got to take pictures that sort of thing yeah oh yeah the whole day was just uh getting ushered around um uh by the uh the the guides in plaid of course

um super cool wow let me ask did you guys did you guys you didn't get to choose pluto as the character in the car with you uh pl was assigned. He was assigned, okay. Each one was... They didn't show us a lookbook. And they were like, you know, find what character speaks to you. No, but, you know,

no complaints. Sure, no. I mean, I just was wondering if they were like, alright, Pluto's with you. We're sending Mickey over here Yeah Was Were the DuckTales People with the DuckTales

Characters You know what I feel like I have this Vague memory I mean it could be It could be corroborated Just by looking Online anywhere

I think I know the answer To this But I think Scrooge McDuck was in That The In Raven's home Vehicle

Okay I believe that Yeah I was confused too Because Scrooge was not with... DuckTales. Yeah. Yeah. Let me see if we can find

the feed of this. We'll post it, of course, for the audience. If he gets too close to David Tennant, like a wormhole open, like reality starts to bend. What a...

Like that... DuckTales cast is the ultimate hipster lineup. Right. Who else is in there who's in the new crew bobby moynihan ben schwartz danny cootie yes yes uh beck bennett but he wasn't there correct he had a show at snl um yeah it's yeah kate mccoochie like it's it's like a perfect, all-star cool town lineup.

Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Scrooge and Launchpad are in the Raven's home car. Yes, yes. For whatever reason. They didn't want to be too obvious, I guess. Yeah, too on the nose, I guess. Yeah.

So, for whatever reason. The fact that you're streaming through a video of this parade. Oh, yeah. Well, when this fan cast was the when this cavalcade you guys cavalcade when this was happening like i was looking at like i have a twitter list of like theme park news sites and blogs and stuff and i was like i was scrolling through it's like there's leelan there's leelan again there's leelan like because people were there posting but we're sharing like you know whatever

pictures they were sending out on the wire that's crazy you were the star of theme park social media yeah uh something an honor usually reserved for ice cream cones i finally made it to ice cream i'm in um so so you get through with the parade um and then you have what a signing was that right It was a meet and greet Yes it was a meet and greet and so it was like It was a thing where Fans could walk

A step and repeat and take Pictures with the Disney channel shows And stuff And that was that was fun but Also yeah like a big whirlwind of like Hey what's your name? How's it going? Blah, blah, blah.

Let's take a picture. Hold the sign. Yeah, it's fine. Okay, bye. You know, like it was. And then after that, we had a talkback panel with the cast of Stuck in the Middle. And with Radio Disney. So, Radio Disney was the hosts of the panel.

And it was so much fun because like the fans are like, so like pumped, you know, they were not afraid to shout out exactly what they felt about characters, you know, like it was like medieval times, you know, where it was just like, you know, and what we're thinking about-

I hate you, Leela. Nobody says I hate you to the knights in medieval times. Yeah, I did. Well, Mike. If they were on the other side, I would yell something at them. Mike just screaming, I hate the monarchy. Well, that's true. You're all part of the problem.

An oligarchy for this kingdom. But yeah, like they were very vocal about who they shipped, and what ships they like better than other ships. Oh, right. Have you been shipped? Are you shipped? Well, everybody's shipping me and Bowie, who's the father of Andy Mack.

Sure. Because you got to. You got to root for the family. I searched your name in hashtags on Instagram. Oh, my gosh. of andy mack sure uh because you got it you know you got to root for the family i have i searched your name and hashtags on instagram oh my gosh did you search tumblr too i didn't search tumblr oh boy jason search tumblr for leland i don't know if i want to go down that rabbit hole persona is on tumblr no what do you mean i'm uh well this was i you know what i haven't checked tumblr in in a hot second now but um when andy mac first came out uh it was like i got a text from one of the

the the i got a text from the the main writer being like wow you're really popular with the lesbian community oh like like the bex's style and and persona is like a hit you know and i was like cool um i was just i mine was not about the lesbian community it was just that i had seen a lot of different pictures of the two of you and people like they are so cute together people like just posting like photo and photos from the disneyland. People ship Bexie. Hashtag Bexie. Is there any weird one? Like you ship with a random guest star or a different show?

Have you seen any weird one? Or like you and Pluto? Hashtag Plex. That's pretty good yeah very very snazzy ship name um well i mean the internet is a weird weird you know and so i think that like the goal you know of the collective internet body is to try to make every ship possibility you know every combination so i've seen it and it's weird because it's like they just ship everybody in the show but i'm much older than most of the

people in the show so so there's less boundaries should be kept boundaries aren't necessarily right that's why i said like random guest stars because i didn't want to because there's not many options no i mean like vex has pretty much just had you know bowie is like the there's not really a contender right shipping though in general is not necessarily it's not uh there's like there's a pretty like sweet component to it i don't necessarily have a full understanding of it but like it's not it's not like uh erotic fan

fiction necessarily it's like i want them to be together yeah no it's yeah yeah exactly that same feeling and tone and cadence like i wish they were together yeah they'd be so happy and so would i yes it's gentle drawing of uh beck's exchanging valent Valentine's gifts with Bob Iger interesting I guess they did run out of age appropriate characters to pair off with we declare if we're if we are to be shipped I was

just trying to combine them in our it would be hashtag Gerritsen oh you mean if we were all shipped together yeah you were gonna say like with other gotta go first names guys it would have to be like huh like we don't have a lot of room to work with yeah scos and yeah it would be like scosanike hashtag scosanike i don't know the spelling you figure it out that is your ship

name i think people should ship jason with different treats oh i think they should too i just want to see him eat a funnel cake if he would only eat a funnel cake hashtag jc's cake like what treats would you like to ship jason with let's ask the audience though they can come up with he is meant to be with fried reese's pieces at my local fair i just want to see him with sorbet please someone please draw like a a sailor moon-esque drawing of like Sorbet and me as Tuxedo Mask. The fan art is top notch. I don't even get fan art like you guys get fan art.

We've had two. And we demand it also. I've seen them. I still have to post a picture. I have the original art. Oh yeah, you got sent the original. Oh yeah. Yeah, so I have the original art and the artist was very nice. I will give him a shout out on Twitter.

This specific, the 20s style. Yeah. The Twain and the mayor, he sent two. And he also sent a lovely opening MGM Studios program guide. Oh, that's nice. Or preview guide. That's cool. Wow.

We'll post a picture of that when this goes up have you gotten any fan look you have to get fan mail somewhere like you have to get some yeah um yeah i mean do you have to go pick it up or does you don't get it directly to your no uh the the disney channel will keep fan mail for us uh at the office and then we get to read them and they're the sweetest sure things there's i just like my heart explodes you know like there's glitter on the outside of the envelopes and there's stickers and and you know you can tell that like you know kids have spent a lot of time on the block lettering and stuff like that it is just like it just makes your heart melt you know and they just have really

nice things to say it's like you're my favorite oh you know what's really cool is uh when we were doing our new york press junket um josh one of the kids in the show handed me um just a paper um and and it was just like a random paper and he was like hey a gal asked me to give you this and it was like a note of being like i love your character on andy mac and at the end she wrote stay woke wow damn and it meant a lot yeah geez very cool that is cool that's like yeah that would be the overwhelming by like like people like seeing so many people's feelings at once it is like a good version of twitter or something yes it is it is constantly overwhelming yeah it's like yeah like i you can't see because it's a podcast but i just squinted my eyes and blinked really

hard because it's like you can't look at it directly it's like the sun it's like is this really happening sure yeah so cool it's nice to know that it like comes that it can come back around to you i feel like i've always been uh uh confused about does fan mail actually uh actually get to the person or is some uh guy in an office uh writing form letters back and it's nice to hear it can uh can make it can make it yeah it's the there's a high volume you know um but we when we're there we get to read them and that's why you just have a rubber stamp made up that just says best of luck in your future endeavors and you just stamp a headshot and i should set out the bulk media

mail and i should well like when andy mack first came on i did try to you know reach out to fans and send pictures and stuff like that you know because, because it's like, oh, I could. And then just it was like, oh, OK, I won't be able to keep up with this because it's just it's one one bit operation here, guys. You also have to work. You have to do the show and act and sleep and eat and assistance or whatever, you know. They're not going to let you write letters back in the shots you have to do the things the scene requires yeah exactly that's what that's why sometimes people get paper cranes or like a stew or whatever bex is making that day

you gotta get my responses out where where i can you don't have An assistant But you have a very Imposing bodyguard Standing behind you Who keeps really Giving me a look He looks really Mad at me I'm nervous You acknowledged him

Yeah They come with me Everywhere That's not true So Mike I had a question This whole time Which was this

All at Grand California In the Fan Fest? Was that the hotel? Where were the questions being asked? Or was it in the park? The panel was in California Adventure. Oh, it was. Okay, so it was probably in that big area by the Monsters, Inc. ride, I'm assuming.

Stage 12. Yeah, that's where it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, right? The former who wants to be a millionaire. Oh, yes. assuming. Stage 12. Yeah, that's where... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, right? The former who wants to be a millionaire. Oh, yes. Yes, of course.

I know that. There used to be a hero who wants to be a millionaire in that stage, we're pretty sure. Oh. Or was it also maybe where the Tron Arcade was? Because that was in a big open space. That was really well done. Did you ever see the Tron Arcade? Oh, yeah, of course.

Yeah, that was great. Very cool. Followed history. Flex spaces. Wait, Tron arcade? Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, that was great. Very cool. Followed history. Flex spaces. Wait, Tron is the game where you sit in. It's a two-person, and you sit in it. It's a movie. No, I'm sorry.

I'm thinking of T-Mac, guys. All right. Well, there is a specific Tron game that was based on the movie. I've seen the movie, but I just confused uh you t one of your arcade word arcade they they yeah they made a replica of the arcade that they like understood in both right oh that's really cool yeah it was fun and then they had like an electronic dance show yeah they had like uh the whole area looked like the the world of tron for a little while so yeah when there's the andy mack uh rave then you'll know when it's a permanent fixture in the parks that's when you'll know

it's a themed rave you gotta be in bed by nine so once all that stuff was then out of the way did you guys get to just do whatever you wanted at the parks like how did it work were you escorted around at that point or did they say have attitude whatever you want um uh we uh we stuck with the guides okay um but it was a you know a lot we did we got a lot done that day you know we did promos for different things you know we uh uh we took pictures with like jesse and woody and and mike and sully and stuff like that and so we had a lot of things to go to so i was excited to hit the rides after but it like i said before i don't have the same kind of boundless energy as my younger coasters. So I went on like five rides and I was like, I got to go home.

Each one I felt like a little bit more sick than the last one. Oh my gosh. But I kept wanting to go because like, A, it's Disneyland. You have to and um be like i've got like my mother's mentality you know where it's like oh you can't just waste you have to both my parents actually have that in different ways like my mom just kind of has that like you know you just can't waste money you know and then my dad is just like a disneyland fanatic he is he oh yeah it was so cool last year going on thanksgiving the thanksgiving holiday because it was my first

time going with a guide and i took my dad and my little brother and his girlfriend and uh i like we were exchanging emails and my and it's like yeah we can decide when we want to be there and my dad's email back was so intense it was was like, we will get there right before the park opens. We will go on all the rides. I would like the park hopper tickets and we will leave at midnight. Road drop to midnight, baby. That's how you do it. Even we weren't able to stay until midnight at a certain point.

We're like, okay, I think it's time to go now wow so you can't keep up with either generation on either side of younger or older well i mean the thing is is that like if you're the way we did it when we were kids it was like we didn't have the luxury of a guide you know um and so the times in between are actually important when you're waiting to get on a ride because your body is at a state of rest, you know? But a guide gives you those, like, special powers where you can fast pass it and, you know, you can, you know, do so many more rides. And, like, you don't realize that, like, you know,

you just put your body on, like, a machine going, like, you know, 100 miles an hour or whatever. And then it's like, okay, now this one you spin around. And then this one you just go, like, loop-de-loop. And then there's colors and lights coming at you from all directions every single ride. You know, we did the entire California Adventure Park before 11 a.m. Oh, yes. You know? california adventure park before 11 a.m oh yes you know and so it's just like we just we were going at a much higher um uh pace sure that's also on top of like i mean if you go to a park all day

especially in southern california it's probably going to be sunny all day like so you spend a lot of time in the sun yeah which can be tiring yes Yes. And then the sun goes down and it gets cold at night a lot of the year in California. So then you have that beating against your potentially sunburned skin. So I find Florida, like I can go for a lot longer in Florida. I mean, I guess it's also like vacation mode. But it's the hottest, most humid weather. I love it. Yeah, I love it. That's insanity. I mean, I guess it's also like vacation mode. It's the hottest, most humid weather. I love it. Yeah, I love it. I love to sweat it out, but like

I hate, I don't like the cold nights here. You prefer humidity and hurricanes? Oh, I love the humidity. Yeah, I love it. I will take a humid night over like a cold night in Anaheim, but it's so, it can get, I was, we were there in like September last year and it was a press it

was 90 degrees the heat was unbearable and it was also humid like that's it was that's a crazy climate humid i like humid too i'm just saying to prefer one drastically over the other i think it's just it's pure insanity jason i think you just gave me more empathy of uh what it's like to not have my um pigment of skin you know because i would never i would never think of like the the factor in oh well we're gonna be in the sun and then the night will beat down on your your skin you know like that's like that's my fine irish heritage that's why uh the people made to uh drink whiskey and then die from lack of potatoes uh so not exactly the most evolutionary advanced people and run from the british like hide from the british or fight the british survived famines galore you know well sure like that's

i would say that you're evolutionarily strong so that young jason mike is like because he's got like five jokes at once yeah it's too much too much clogging the pipe i'm just saying i've been with you to disneyland many many many times and there's never been a scenario whereby six o'clock you're beet red and like you have a crazy cartoonish sunburn I think I just find it more draining I'm also pretty diligent about sunscreen I have the place parks I you are drained problem I will say this I've seen you drained every place in Los Angeles except Disneyland that's the only time I don't think you're exhausted you've fallen asleep on my couch in various apartments over the years but disneyland you are wide awake i've told other people this is

your place this is the place where you will see this man at his most alive we added that is accurate too we edit out the moment in every podcast where you're like, sorry guys, I need a break. Sunburn. Nap time for me. You can stay awake. All I'm saying, I'm giving you credit. You could do a 16-hour Disney day. I can do a 16-hour. I'm not sure about Scott.

Scott, I think, is the one who likes to, because Scott will generally be like, I'm coming down, we're going to go on one ride and then we're going to leave. We're going to eat dinner. Then we're going to leave. Yeah. When we've hung, it's usually, yeah, we join you for one or two things. Hang out at the Carthay Circle Lounge for a while.

That's me and the wife's speed. We have two cocktails. Scott goes on a ride before that. He goes on a ride after and then they go home and then Lindsay and I stay. That's the way to do it you know i don't want to like jump ahead in the order but this is a perfect segue into today's ride topic because the little mermaid ride is a perfect ride for that if i just want to go have a couple drinks and take take some nice photos by the by the old sun wheel and walk around and like all right right, solid three hours.

The Little Mermaid is a perfect one to, you know that reliably doesn't have a line or it's a very fast line. If the park is clearly jammed to the brim, I know I can at least get on The Little Mermaid. We are talking about California Adventure. Yes. Okay. Because that's the one you can drink can drink at yes oh yeah i see yeah uh sometimes i'll go down just

for like you know two glasses of white wine purposes it's great no one should be upset about this is the way to do it i have had some of the best uh days and nights of my life having two glasses of white wine and then leaving oh my goodness i can't deal that's the nice thing about him 16 hours where you fit in everything uh sounds good too like oh my well when i was a kid i would i would force my i was definitely would you call it a ropes to a rope drop to like park close yeah oh i wore out my parents i was definitely that way as a kid like an exhausting and then like mid midnight is technically the closing but i you can still kind of dilly dally

in main street for a while i would do all the way from 8 a.m to to 1 so i i've uh done my my time in the exhaustive manner but man these days oh boy if you linger long enough you can see the kiss good night leelan you know about the kiss good night i don't know about the kiss this sounds like a phrase i would make up um uh when we saw the uh mystery electrical parade didn't we see all the characters? Yes. But that's a different thing than what you're talking about. Oh, it is. Oh, I can't remember. What's the Kiss Good Night? It's shortly after official park closed,

the castle like twinkles and an announcement comes on and it says like, Disneyland has concluded its operational day. Like, you know, we hope you had a magical time. Magical use of the word operational. But it's just like a little light twinkling. They make a lot more of it in Florida. They do a lot more of the Kiss Goodnight, and they play it like over every 15 minutes

after the park closes, basically. I think, I don't know the actual number. People are yelling now at their phones. Wait, what is the Kiss Goodnight? It's a phrase that Waltalt used that would say like it's a little like a nice little thing to say goodbye to everybody at the end of the night okay that refers to the recording of like oh yeah and a little light light yeah but there's no there's no kiss no one gets kissed no no that would be illegal every guest line up when Jason is mayor he will he will make that

a law at Disneyland but until then Jason a kissy Jason is like Richard Dawson just standing outside the exit gate and you have to kiss him on the way out that's for the younger folks that's

a very old reference to a host of the family feud who like to kiss all the contestants i mean it was more okay then than it is today oh yeah no he would not i don't think anyone liked doing it back then but especially today that would not that would not fly steve harvey's not kissing all the guests don't get a little mustache brush if you're against on the show so little mermaid ride yeah yeah ariel's undersea adventure but in florida it is called under the sea journey of the little mermaid and there's also a live show which is called voyage of the little mermaid

yes there's a lot of little mermaid title confusion going on across these parks but you just end up calling it the little mermaid ride right i just what is the why call it two different things in disneyland it's confusing because i the ride is i almost they're almost identical i was i've been on both of them in the last few months uh so and you will again yeah it's just the exterior is really the cue and the exterior is the difference out here it's in a repurposed uh golden dream which was the old whoopie goldberg film uh they repurposed the building which is an old piece of california like architecture it's the palace of the fine arts in san francisco right when there were a lot of like

many recreations of california things in california adventure wow they read trivia yeah if you want to like just shout nerd or like like push us or something you can't leave i'm gentle in heart that's i know that uh leelan's bodyguards, who I've learned are named Brick and Mortar, are making her a sandwich now. Brick and Mortar. 1920s goons from your dreams. They are seven feet tall. Friends of Bugsy.

And then the line outside in Florida, the outside is more like rock. Because it's more of a theme. Like a castle. It's like the cave of one, not the cave of wonders, that's Latin, but the cave with all her treasures in it. It's sort of like the castle from the movie. Oh, it's a castle. Yeah, there's like a castle.

This picture is pretty small, but it looks like here are the two back to back. Oh, yeah. They're very different, yeah okay so you're saying in one you ariel is inside of ariel's castle and in another one ariel is inside of a concert venue in san francisco i am saying that and yeah so but though i like the um the california that's no slam on that i think it's i think it's kind of fun that they weaved that into that space and left that kind of that dome and that yeah it's a nice glass walls it's a nice piece of architecture it's kind of cool looking i mean i think i probably prefer the one that seems like you're more like by the sea yes that would make more sense to be like oh i'm going

under the sea now i mean the florida one never judge the outside of a ride. Oh, my God. You're on the wrong podcast. That sounds insane to me. The ride is about the ride. The ride starts from looking at the outside of the ride and then going through the queue because your experience should start there. It's like the Indiana Jones ride. That's a whole part of it.

I guess you're right. And it is really important to have a good line experience because you will be in it and stuff like that. I think my favorite is probably Space Mountain because it's cool in there. It's like cool and there's like machines just going, you know, like. Yeah, I think it's a little bit of a bummer that they like, I don't know why this changed. But I think you used to like kind of do the line all the way inside Space Mountain, and maybe it's a capacity issue, but now they kind of rush you through all those tunnels,

which would be fun to hang out in there as opposed to on that deck for a long time. Right. It's like Indiana Jones, too. Do you mean in general or when you have a guide or whatever? No, no. Anytime you go on Space Mountain in disneyland yeah like you get once you get in the actual building you like rush through all that in interior stuff pretty they have a lot of outside line space now yeah oh i see and then let in like groups of

oh i know what you're talking about okay yeah i hear you but it'd be nice to be in there yeah yeah there used to be like like more lax codes, I think, like fire codes, I think, because the Indiana Jones ride and the Space Mountain, they're pretty narrow, and they probably don't want to pack people in a place where if there was a fire, it would be hard to get them all out.

That totally makes sense. So in the old days, no one cared about that, and it was fun because you would just get kind of trapped in these fun little lines. But now it's like you've got to sit mostly outside. And then they kind of rush you through the cool line. Do you have a lot of capacity complaints like we do? No, I just think it's like even then, like being in the line, that's still the experience of the ride.

You guys are talking about straight up the outside. Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Well, but I'm a fan of architecture in general and i like when it's a cool looking space mountain is a cool looking building and it makes sense that it looks like a cool spaceship thing you know it's a good example of this issue is that uh it's a small world in disneyland is that grand 60s pop art exterior. And then in Disney World, it's just kind of jammed into like a storefront. And you don't really get all that.

Oh, I hear you. And it sort of makes, even though it's almost the same ride, it makes it like a little less of a full. Magical or whatever. Yes. Yeah. Magical experience. So, yeah. So, it's underwhelming of a line.

I guess we're starting in the line here. But for Little Mermaid in California. I'm not even saying that necessarily. I'm saying it. Oh, you are? Well, you've done the Florida one, which I have. The Florida one is just a little better as well. All that rock work and everything.

Rock work. We love fake rocks on this program. We love. That's one of the things we all agree on. We love fake rocks. That's a Disney. That's a tradition of making fake rocks. I want so badly for you to find a fake rock company

to sponsor you oh yeah we love that what a match like what other thing is gonna seek out a company of fake rocks to be like we want to promote your fake rocks yeah this could be however the the like who out there listening to this podcast has a need for and the money for a lot of fake rock work yeah that's i mean i wish i did if you build it yeah i i think you will be pleasantly surprised we have a couple like very rich listeners that like have a lot of room to make for like fake rocks and stuff like a fake mesa rich maybe it's just like you know what everybody's got something that they want to invest in it's like i think it would be cool to have fake rocks in my living room or whatever like okay i don't know i'm thinking here i would do if i

had a like a crazy backyard is like fake rock work water slide oh yeah like i want a level there we go but i can't it's beyond that i would need like some more money to have that i would need tens of millions more dollars to have that i'm not real rocks they're fake rocks guys but somebody has to design them and mold it these are these are uh artists and technicians i think you could figure it out. Mike and I were at the park a few weeks ago, and we were looking at the Star Wars land progress, and we're like, wow, fake rocks looking real good. We're getting really good at these rocks.

We love looking at the rocks in progress. Because right now you can see sort of like the inside, the steel before they put the fake rocks out on the new Star Wars land because they're building it. We love. Literally yawning. Fake rocks. As this is described to you.

I held my mic away so you couldn't hear it. I'm not saying one caused the other. But it's not. It might not be unrelated. We're going to get in the car after this and drive down to Glendale, down to the Flower Street campus. And you're going to meet some of the extended Disney family, some of your extended family members in the Imagineering department, and they'll tell you all about fake rocks all day long.

You know what? We're throwing the topic out. It's fake rocks for the rest of this podcast. Change of plans. Change of plans. Sorry, Lelon. It's fake rocks from here on out. I've been duped.

Yes. It's an ambush. You can jump in if you want, but we'll be talking anyway. Yeah. So good fake rocks. So good fake rocks in Florida. That's basically what I'm saying. Good job.

Here in Anaheim, there is a lovely giant painting inside. That's true. There is a giant painting. There is a giant painting. There's a giant painting. I watched a panel from D23 a number of years ago about making this ride. And they paint it. It was a giant canvas that was painted

and had an insane... They were talking about how the guy who was painting it had like a brush with a single hair on it to like do the eyebrows of this painting. Like that's how labor intensive it was. That sounds like the lore of a Disney movie. Like where it's like, get the brush with a single hair

and then you can find true love. It's an artifact that Ariel would find and treasure and keep. True that. You know, we're talking about murals and rock work. And so we haven't asked you why you chose this. What is your relationship with the ride or with the Little Mermaid in general? The reason why I chose this one is because it snuck up on me as far as how I would feel about it. I went last year with my dad and my little brother and his girlfriend.

And it was one of the first rides we did of the day. So it's like we're all coffeed up. It's like 8.30 or something like that. I'm just like, I'm still trying to you know manage it like i i have a thing when i'm with my family i want to herd them and i want to feel like i'm the person like i want to be the guy you know and so like i'm just like is everybody good is everybody you know like have has gone to the bathroom hungry whatever and so like i'm distracted this is one of the first rides we go on in the day there's like no line yeah and uh like you said because it's no one yeah um and we

get it i'm like oh great yeah we can just like knock this one off like it's also you know my family has like a checklist mentality when we go to the park it's like we got to do them all like pokemon um anyway um gotta do them all the pokemon great great uh you get it um and like a third of the way into this ride i just start sobbing like it was and i think what really made it so effective is that i feel like a lot of the rides are usually like a take on the movie you know so it's like uh you know it's like oh remember this from cars you know it's the it's the cool uh like low rider station you know but they give you something new and i think that's that's important you know but what's special about the little mermaid ride is they don't give you anything new it's just straight up the scenes

from the movie it's the actual lyrics um it's uh it's it's real voices yeah it's the real voices i think at least in the cases of any of if it's them singing if it's yeah uh or aerial it's the real recordings and and so it was like living a movie you know it was it was like being a child again watching little mermaid and three dimension you can look wherever you want and yeah and so it was just like it was layered because it was like that movie i watched all the time as a kid and you know i was at disneyland with my family and which you know, I was at Disneyland with my family and which, you know, brings back those childhood memories, too. And it was like just us on this ride. And it was like our own personal ride because there was no line and stuff like that.

And I'm like, it's beautiful. Like I was just like and then I like pulled myself together and it did not have the same effect on my family. Like, cool, let's do California Screamin'. Let's do a real ride um but they probably like i probably the ages line up where you were like you were super young and indelible and that must have been your movie i think like it was my movie probably all of us to some extent was one of the first ones we were aware of or had yeah so if they don't have the same if that move doesn't have the little more yeah yeah it wasn't like

my dad's childhood movie or my brother's you know yeah you're right it was my special movie that i watched again and again as a as a tiny tot yeah that's it's funnier and you describe that it has that effect on you uh even as an adult because i i imagine like that like i i think it's neat and i like going on it it, but it's not. I'm always thinking when it spins you around and you see Ariel for the first time, probably young girls must be so heart-drained by it. And it's nice to hear that is the case.

Oh, it was so true, and I didn't even see it coming. I was like, oh, we're just having fun as a family. Does everybody come to the bathroom? And it caught me. Was there a specific show scene or was it just sort of all of it at once kind of overwhelmed? Well, you know how bad I am with specifics. Sure, I mean, but it was like not Ursula

at the like stealing the voice. That would be, and you're like, oh, Ursula. I just want that power. Was it flotsam and jetsam what was um was it under the sea it was under the sea i think i think it was it had to be under the sea because that's that's where the whole party is everybody's there it's like a family the under the sea is the family reunion of the little mermaid yeah you know everybody shows up right uh you know the flute plays the lute and the car plays the harp wow

one thing again uh listening to imagine the panel with the imagineers talking about building this ride i mean they they encountered a thing that like a lot of ride designers encounter when they're basing a ride on a movie it's like how do you condense an hour and a half two hours into a three minute experience and with this one uh uh they said well we figured out we just built it around the songs like we built essentially build it around the set piece because little mermaid was the first in like i mean it was the first of like the big disney animation revival in the late 80s and early 90s with like little mermaid beauty and the beast aladdin lion king kind of all in a row and a lot of those kind of have like a broadway musical sort of structure

so that's why like you see under the sea and Part of the World and Kiss the Girl. One thing that I always laugh at in this ride, because sometimes you to like condense a whole movie into a ride, there's some stuff that's got to go, which in this one, there's no song for the let's kill Ursula at the end sequence. So that's why she just kind of like towards the end of the ride she's just like sinking in the background like there's no fight scene

in the shadows her death has occurred off screen or we're watching her demise in progress I guess yeah it's weird I mean that's the one I think the first time anybody goes on it generally I either go what there's a like it skipped a scene it skips a scene I mean, that's the one that I think the first time anybody goes on it generally, they go, wait, what?

There's a, like it skipped a scene. It skips a scene because the ride is so literally the story. I feel like everyone expects like we're going to watch a giant Ursula get stabbed by the mast of a ship and it doesn't happen. It's a little dark. But you could still have like a giant ursula somewhere in a ship sort of like coming at her so you don't have to actually show an impaling on a ride or do the classic there's some sort of um strobe the way the witch dies right the witch dies it's no white ride oh yeah that's true but we don't see the the old woman's corpse hit the ground or anything. Oh, my gosh.

I mean, I don't know. Do you think if they just didn't have any Ursula in it at the end, would it kind of make the ride feel not as whole? I feel like the struggle is like you got to – like the whole tension and stakes is like you got to get kissed before you become a little sea urchin guy you know um and so it's like that's the whole thing and so once you do it it's it's like we don't we don't well i guess we see them kiss at the very end that's when they kiss in the movie

they're they presumably are in the in the in the kiss the girl sequence are they like leaning in for a kiss because flotsam and jep don't kiss because Flotsam and Jetsam topple the little boat. Oh, that's right. I've forgotten that's the name of the eels. Flotsam and Jetsam? Flotsam and Jetsam. Good alternate names for your bodyguards. I like brick and mortar.

They don't like that. Just like the actual eels. Don't make eye contact. It makes them angry, guys. Also, though, animatronics kissing is a hard thing. Does that occur in any ride? Oh, that's a good question. Are there any rides where animatronics kiss?

It would be as awkward as the Mark Twain handshake. There's got to be. There's people again yelling at the podcast right now because they know the answer to this. All the dwarfs kiss, remember? All seven at one time. Snow White makes them kiss for a reason. All I can think of is the Pirates of the Caribbean chasing,

which is like that. No, that's not kissing. They're trying to get a kiss yeah yeah um in pursuit we'll figure it out we'll see if there's kissing um with little mermaid yeah every i think everyone has this um not every but most people have an affection for little mermaid because as jason was saying it's like disney got good again and i mean we were all little at the time too um so those those few movies we were talking about like the songs too like is part of your world probably like the best song of those move of lion king aladdin beauty and the beast oh i don't know it might resonate

the most i feel like people always say that's their favorite i feel like well i don't know if i'd say the best but i think it's a very crucial song in really the revival of animation at disney in general because that is the heart of ariel and the character in the story and it's uh and kind of a you know the uh the character singing about what they want which is some variant is in that in most of those movies you just described. Right. And it's just such a soaring. And supposedly, isn't there some lore that Eisner wanted to cut it? Oh, I've never heard that.

I think this is addressed in some documentary. Oh, rumors. Which they had to plead. They had to say say how could you rip the heart out of this film we can't he's like it's boring

it's not testing well he like really just calculatingly hopefully I'm not throwing him under the bus but I feel like that is a true story

I don't know how seriously it was considered so straight you you call it the best Katzenberg tried to cut it Katzenberg Katzenberg oh man

try apologize to Michael Eisner Scott officially Katzenberg Oh man Try to apologize To Michael Eisner Scott Officially apologize To Michael Eisner Apologize to Michael And apologies to Breck His son

Who we would love to have We want all the Eisners In the show Podcast To talk about all the rides That he inspired It's such a Like it's such a huge

Want song Right That's the Broadway term A want song Is like a big part Of a lot of musicals Yes Yeah and every Disney movie Has that one Like Mulan That's the Broadway term. A one song is like a big part of a lot of musicals. Yes. Yeah, and every Disney movie has that one.

Like Mulan has the Reflection song. Yeah. And Aladdin has the Street Rat song. Beauty and the Beast, the I Want Adventure in the Great White. So that's that. Yes. Which is the very like sound of music kind of.

Oh, so sound of music. Yeah. yeah uh does does blanking have one he's gonna be a king i'm gonna be a mighty king yeah i guess that's a fun way it doesn't always have to be a literal want like out of all the songs that's the most that's one that's like this is what i want the title explains the desire i was just thinking because often these songs are like these like slower stirring melancholy but i guess guess in that case, it's a fun one. Yeah, the Mrs. Potts song from Beauty and the Beast. What is that called? What?

Mrs. Potts sings the... I was trying to think. I was thinking more about Part of Your World being like a very emotional song in terms of like, can you feel the love tonight? Oh, you're thinking of Tale as Old as Time. That's the love song. Tale as Old as Time and Beauty and the Beast. She doesn't have a want song about wanting to pour tea out of her nose.

No, no. Just want to serve. That's like the, can you feel the love tonight? Yeah, right, right. That's the kiss the girl, you know. That's what that song plays. Mrs. Potts has no wants of her own. Whatever you want, dearie.

She's just happy to be there. I just want Chip to move out out i don't want him to still be when he's an adult i mean when he's of age appropriate i just don't want him crashing in the basement of the castle for too long find a girlfriend just meet a nice girl a nice cup girl but didn't part of your world is part of your world did like was the if it's the first one of those what became a trope by the time because much more like uh calculatingly that song exists in like hunchback um uh door and just around the river bend is good but we're starting to get people are a little less moved

by these these want songs and then which takes you into the south park um uh what's it called bigger longer uncut which has the devil's want song by the time they were doing that movie it was like a such a trope that there is the want song i don't know if that takes us into south hard turns god why me like you know you know how like little mermaid takes us to lion kingermaid takes us to Lion King, that takes us to Pocahontas, and then we go to South Park naturally. Takes us into...

Bigger Locker Uncut. Well, that is interesting because there was a Terrence and Phillip cameo in this ride originally. No. My mind wouldn't make it past that piece of trivia. That's too much. Hey, buddy.

We're going to get to... We're going to... I mean, I we're gonna get to we're gonna i mean i guess there is you creeped out by that what's that crab doing buddy stop that now we know you're scared of terrence and Phillip. Yeah. It's just the combination is just creepy, creepy. It's weird. Yeah. I was going to say, though, we'll quickly go back to this topic, but the cameo on this ride, which might be my favorite part of this ride.

What? I don't know. Do we not know this? So it's only, I believe, in California. But when you're on the ride in the Under the Sea room, if you look kind of behind your clamshell, because it's pointing more toward the action, if you look toward the end as you're on the ride in the under the sea room if you look kind of behind your clamshell because it's pointing to more toward the action if you look toward the end as you're exiting the the incredible mr limpet the fish the don knots fish character from the old movie yeah is in

shadow he's not a disney character he's a warn Brothers character. He's a Warner Brothers character, and he is hidden on the ride. And I look for him every time. I'm delighted by this bizarre choice to put him on there. How has this never come up? You've never seen Limp-It? I don't think we've talked about this. We've been on this ride, I think, at the same time, and I'm surprised I wasn't just talking about Mr. Limp-It the whole time.

Yelling back out of your... Scott, there he is! Look! Mr. Limpit the whole time. Yelling back out of your... Scott, there he is! Look! Mr. Limpit! Look at him! Kids cheering for an old Don Knotts movie. Here, I'll find a picture of it. Yeah, on the...

That is such a cool Easter egg. I have not heard why they did it. He's a fish, I guess, is all you need to know. And there's probably a fan. And he's the only, like... Well, here he is whoa mr limpet geez bizarre that's a picture that's so fun it's my favorite thing accurate enough but also copyright free enough yeah i guess and he's just kind of peeking out he doesn't move or anything

isn't now there's some weird thing uh uh that our buddy andrew grissom talks about where they there was like an there's artwork you can find of a mr limpet remake with uh jim carrey is that correct someone else yeah where like you can see a fishified modern actor and it's very terrifying like like nightmare concept art that makes you glad there was no film um does that ring a bell though is that uh this is what don knots this is the movie the fish looks like i'm a little weird so yeah that's another very timely reference neat that's a cool little trivias um yeah so that's that's very and that's the only like fish out of water on the ride as far as i know i mean i haven't seen there's no like

secret uh apple dumpling gang animatronic the other don knots disney movie yeah what are their famous cartoon fish barney fife i yeah, there should just be more Don Knotts animatronics on this ride, I think. Fish police arresting Ursula. Oh, wait. Oh, now I'm forgetting. You know what? As part of this, I was recalling that there was a Little Mermaid animated series. Yes, there was an animated series where she had like a buddy.

I didn't watch it. I don't know. Was it on Disney Channel? It was. Not sure. didn't watch it i don't know was it on disney channel it was um not sure it may have been syndicated and it was like it was kind of like the movie never happened like ariel was a mermaid she has a a buddy like i forget the guy's name but she had a friend who was like a another kid flounder and and uh they're all in it i think she's got a little orca friend too i i'm looking it up as fast as i can but i think there were like fish police-esque

elements in the show like they're oh they're yeah there's a a race of shark-like merfolk uh who are like uh mean and like and shady like sharks and they're called the sharkanians wow really that's the it's something you didn't know and they're called the sharkanians wow really that's the it's something you didn't know about little mermaid world the sharkanians and there's another there's another like mobster group i'll i'll interject if i find it and then one the other bizarre oh there's a lot the lobster mobster so there's a lot of crossover between the odd failed show fish police and the little mermaid animated show there's an lot of crossover between the odd failed show Fish Police and the Little Mermaid animated show. There's an underworld that Triton has to deal with.

You think Triton's just like a king in theory, but he's got to cut deals with the under the sea underworld. Tony Soprano or something. Tony Soprano meets Commissioner Gordon. He's keeping the sea together. I mean, that was in the era of like, you know, these big tentpole Disney movies would come out and the sequels would either be TV shows or like direct-to-video tape, like the Return of Jafar Aladdin movie.

They weren't valuing these things as many multi-sequel. I think Toy Story 2 was probably what broke it, which itself was going to be straight to video right yes until they bought pixar and retooled the other thing i want to say about the show is that there is an episode where um uh ariel meets a young author uh who she comes to know is hans christian anderson she saves, and he's looking for inspiration for a book, and boy, does he find it with The Little Mermaid. And he writes the book and becomes the author we know and love today.

And Hans Christian Andersen is voiced by Mark Hamill. Wow. That is incredibly meta. Yeah. That is very weird. And then there was a Tarzan. And that's cool cool because it's like that's the beginning of the marriage of star wars and disney yes this is the yeah actually

canonically that's where it that's the juncture point that's where it really the tale begins with but then there was also a tarzan uh animated series where they did the same plot with edgar resborough oh really it's tarzan inspires so and this this all this is all like what we talked about just recently with uh um you know chubby checker learning the twist from uh from the quantum leap guy right white guys teaching black guys that about their famous thing basically but in this case back to the future it's that authors have no ideas and they steal them from uh accidental run-ins when they get lost in the jungle or the sea just real quick here is the concept art of what the jim carrey fish was going to look like. That is terrifying. No, no, no. That's a no-go. Oh, God.

Oh, wow. Are you going to say you like this, like the baby Grinch? Hold on, let me see it again. Maybe I like it. It does look like the baby Grinch. Let me see it. Do you put these pictures up when this? Yes, we'll show the pictures.

Twitter and Instagram. Check it out for terror. I still like baby Grinch. i like baby grinch more than this okay because baby grinch from the movie the grinch the jim carrey grinch movie he is a little scary but he's i like him he's cute and uh i think i'm not alone is what i'm saying also you know if they had made that movie jim carrey would have gone really method like he would have insisted in floating in a pool all day. If he got out of the pool, he'd be like, I can't breathe

in the air. Is that something that Jim Carrey does? Is he a method actor? Well, kind of on the man on the moon. I think on the moon. That's different because Andy Kaufman was such a... It was a level of commitment. Yeah, but you're saying he wouldn't

have gone full fish. He wouldn't have committed to a full limpet? He wouldn't have gone full limpet? You're skeptical that Jason's remarks about him are untrue? I don't think that, like, Jim Carrey tried to break into an insane asylum, like, for research for Pet Detective, you know? Or The Riddler. Either one. I bet he would.

He used one for the other. Or the number 23. Well, he has, he's since gone method he's stayed as his number 23 character since the release of the film 23 that's a good point um so okay we're talking carrie's not in it what have we missed oh you know the songs and the songs in the ride that's what we've missed so another interesting thing about the ride uh that the imaginators talked about was if you think about the ending of the movie the little mermaid they get married during the day on a boat which is difficult it's difficult to do daytime in in dark rides in disneyland style

dark rides it's difficult to simulate daytime inside that's why a lot of them i mean that's why they're called dark rides because it's usually darker because you have to hide stuff in the dark so they had to get approval and pitch like the end of this what if they get married and it's night and what if it's just like them waving from a castle instead of a boat yeah that's why the end at the end is a little different and some of the fish come back and king triton is waving at you yeah i do remember that i was like okay yeah yeah this isn't right but fine yeah yeah king triton a very handsome animatronic at the end yeah he's i always notice him he like he's in a good shape but like he looks

younger than king triton does in the movie I feel yeah he has I mean if it weren't for his like white flowing hair and beard he would just be like a Hulk Fabio I feel like that's

the same body of like Hercules you know it's just like the same template you know but was he really that like

he was jacked in the film in the film let me see how jacked he was without that white hair On the animatronic He has a very small head

Really now Yeah I guess that makes sense He has a giant body And a tiny head Yeah he was jacked Because it's like You don't need to finish

The head if it's gonna be Covered in hair Yeah if it's just gonna Cover in hair He's jacked But he does look like More of an old man In the cartoon

Like he looks He's jacked He's like a jacked old man He's like Geraldo Rivera Because he's just Mostly hair You know you've seen That picture of Geraldo With his shirt off He's 70 Like he's jacked. He's like a jacked old man. He's like Geraldo Rivera. Because he's just mostly hair. You know, you've seen that picture of Geraldo with his shirt off.

He's 70. Like, he's in incredible shape. I have not. But he's an old man. Yeah, the body's exaggerated. The beard is, I mean, it's a huge mane of hair. Geraldo selfie. It looks like he has a small head in the cartoon as well. That's consistent.

I think it's, I'm freaked out by him because he has the real hair. And Ariel has the odd plastic hair that was an issue kind of in making the ride. Hey, we got Geraldo joining the party. He's not as jacked as King Triton, but he's in good shape. He's a 70-year-old man. I mean, he's in good shape for that. I'm glad that Triton is

like sunken lower in the sea so as to not see his pelvic region unlike the Geraldo selfie. I don't want to know what's on the way to the balls. Geraldo must have seen the D'Angelo video recently. He was trying to recreate that with that picture. D'Angelo doesn't have that much more going on than Geraldo. Geraldo's not looking bad there.

D'Angelo's got no mustache. Oh, that's another. d'angelo is hidden in this ride there's a brief d'angelo that's not true jason yeah who's d'angelo uh he was a singer the singer he had the the music video that's just one long revolve around his perfect body uh it's a very sensual r&b how does it fit okay scott'll do a couple minutes of the song you can't understand a lyric that's basically what it is uh all right he's good does this look familiar this man this is the video uh good i mean no okay and who's but if you look at him versus geraldo versus triton who's i mean yeah very very cut we'll do a poll who do you like best triton geraldo or

d'angelo honest shirtless guy of all time we already narrowed it down to three we all agree they're the top three but who's the top top one? Right. Please decide for us, audience. We have a huge bracket on a whiteboard here in the recording space. Sure do. And this is what we have. Oh, I'm sorry. My guards had to take that down. Yeah. It was casting a weird shadow on my face.

They're always looking out for me, you know? Yeah, yeah. So, I've put it off long enough to this is the thing we have to talk about to many people and i will consider myself included this ride is a little disappointing i find i find that jason do you not disagree i'm so sorry curious uh i bet i know why though it's it's we so lizzie and i went we went up it was an eight back when they used to do an ap preview which is an annual pass holder preview for a ride now these days they're doing like a 300 party that you have to pay in addition to your pass to go on these rides early

we waited i think four hours for this we were very excited uh three or four hours um and we went on and we were like it's fine and i feel like that was a review that this ride got a lot like oh no night it was nice but it feels a little still it feels a little static it doesn't uh it doesn't do to me what pirate pirate excuse me uh peter pan does it doesn't transport you as much uh i i agree with that i think that if you had to wait four hours with anticipation i think that it was just kind of this happy you know planets aligning of of it's just like it was bright in the day and we were just we were there i think what made that experience for me so magical is that it was just like it was kind of thrust upon us before we even knew what was happening. Sure.

But yeah, it doesn't move very quickly. And like I said, it doesn't give you a lot of things that are new. And then things that are new are like, just like confusing. Well, but I think even that three or four hour, like I waited for, there's the Harry Potter in Florida, there's this ride Escape from gringotts which is like a roller coaster with like show scenes like you're trying to get out of the bank and escape from voldemort and i waited three or four hours the summer that opened and i was

afterwards it's like yeah it was good i was glad i did it but i feel like shit but i'm gonna say like when i say we waited three or four hours i'm not trying to say oh my god we were depressed and like that's gonna affect the ride i've been on we went we waited three or four hours for guardians of the galaxy last year and we loved it when i was younger three three or four hours for spider-man in orlando we loved it well i mean yeah like if you wait three or four hours and then you just get, like, suspended in the air and dropped over and over again to 80s music, like, you're going to completely forget, like, that you waited all that time. That's a point. Yeah.

I guess the endorphins, like, take over at some point. Yeah, and the same thing happens with Peter Pan. Peter Pan is, I think it's the most popular ride at Disneyland. Is that right? You guys would know. Well, it's not. I mean, it's of all the, for certain, it's the dark ride it's the most Popular ride at Disneyland Is that right? You guys would know Well it's not I mean it's For certain

It's the dark ride That's the most popular In Fantasyland It's the one I believe it's the one That fast passes Don't work on right? They don't have fast passes

For any of those They have it in Oh for the fantasy land They have it in Florida But they don't have it Out here for the fantasy land It's my dad's favorite ride Yeah

Yeah my dad really Likes it too. Yeah, my dad really likes it too. Yeah, that's his Little Mermaid, I guess. Yeah, sure. But I can completely understand just because there's a whole, like, yeah, like that is a transportative ride. When we're talking about, when imagine, like we've talked about Mr. Tony Baxter, who's one of the top imagineers of

all time he didn't make this ride but he he calls this type of ride and many people do and many message board people do call this more of a book report ride versus you know peter pan it's it's a ride that just kind of tells you what happens as opposed to what does peter pan do that uh it's not quite as like peter pan has moments where you're just flying over the city it's you're the sort of star of the story as opposed to little mermaid where you're watching things happen peter pan has show scenes and stuff but it's not so dependent on a narrative it's not like you go through the things that happen in the movie where you're the car that's out of control yeah you're you're it's your adventure that's sort of what tony baxter

talks about crash you're in hell yeah yes that ride ends in hell so i guess they could have had ursula getting killed uh i don't know there's something just so like i mean i didn't even remember that in the movie until you mentioned it she She gets impaled by it. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. Because she is like a kaiju level monster. Like even like Gaston, he just like drops off a building and we assume that he's dead, but he disappears in like literal fog.

Right. We don't see him splat. Yeah. Yeah. Where it's like you see it, you know, like, like,

and it's so, it's a close up. Yeah. Right. It's so intense. All the deaths are like, Scar gets eaten by the, Yes, but we only see the shadows. Yeah, right. It's so intense. All the deaths are like, Scar gets eaten by the- Some people he was trying to a little while ago. That's true.

This is the one where you see it the worst. You're right. Oh, geez. And she's like, it's just terribly upsetting. What happens to Jafar ultimately? He goes back in the lamp. He goes in a lamp.

He gets small. His snake is before Genie. He's a big snake at one point. he turns into the snake and then he tricks yeah then he tricked or they trick him into saying he wants to be a genie and he gets put in the lamp so he's trapped so there's no like yeah it's not a bloody he doesn't get murdered yeah yeah he doesn't get uh stabbed to death got it uh so so so yeah, that's what you reminded me of a point I wanted to make. I feel like a ride, the way it affects you depends on, I think, where you are in your life as well. Sure.

Because I feel like I'm now in like a new stage of Disneyland appreciation where it's, but I felt like the longest stage of it's like bigger, faster, better. You know? stage of it's like bigger faster better you know uh and so i didn't want to waste my time on like the snow white ride when i could do um like uh space mountain and star tours and uh indiana jones and uh and peter pan i could i could handle because it's like that's the one that felt like it was moving the most you know mr toad was like whoa that's the one that's like a smaller ride that's not as intense where it's just like wow that you still get like a lot of like action and endorphins and stuff like that and oh gosh like you had to do it small world but

yeah like i would just kind of like grit my teeth and smile through it because it's like the family wants to do it you know but like but that ride the little mermaid hit me at a point where i was so open to nostalgia and so as far as a ride itself i agree with you it ranks lower than peter pan and blah blah blah um but as far as a nostalgic experience it's uh top notch because like you said scott it goes slow so it's like a two white wine ride you know speed and and like there was so much time to absorb those memories and recall those memories and stuff like that so yeah huh i'm trying to think of what the like how do you resolve this exactly here's the thing i think i did it really well i just mean no no i just mean what is the fix i mean like what if you were going to be more

actively are you are you going to talk about this what's going on there alternate right they were trying to make this ride they were they've been trying to make this right for years yeah they were going to make it in the 90s and put it in most of the magic kingdom style parks around the world and it's like for it in uh i took your disneyland paris that has never been filled by anything and it's mentioned on a special it's described by melanie griffith as like a something it's because she she in this very sedate manner like and in 1994 ariel will join the family it's a very odd clip and this is the sort of thing they don't really do anymore when we had eva anderson on like you know we showed uh uh the clips of or we talked about her there was a disneyland history special

that her father had hosted and like and it's like here's all the rides coming in the next five years and most of them didn't happen and ariel was mentioned in that and so when they put out the little mermaid on like special edition dvd in like 2006 this was in the special features it's a cg animated like here's what the ride this was exactly what the ride would have been and we're watching it here so yeah so like it starts out in like a cool like it's like wreckage of ships and dishonors the dark ride thing yeah so like it's almost the start of pirates where you're like you're in a place but then very quickly you're about to go under the sea yeah yeah i would say that the ride itself does not really honor like what the dark ride can do you know yeah so this

is spooky and cool this is spooky it's more like place making going on in this you'd say right we got prince eric's ship uh so instead of just you round a corner and ariel's in like you meet ariel ariel like emerges from the shadows in this like grim seascape and she brings light to it and then you go under the sea and what is the deal with this how is this going to work you mean how the water I've heard Tony Baxter talk about this so they were going to work they were going to do like it was going to

be like laser like a laser to like make the like surface different from the water so it would be like mist and laser so it would look like there was like a layer of water and then you would go under it and So it would be like mist and laser. So it would look like there was like a layer of water and then you would go under it and then it would be lit differently once you got down there

to make it completely look like deep sea. I do find the bubble transition parts in the existing ride is very pleasant. It's not bad. I enjoy it. I like going under and coming out of that. I think it's clever that they use the blank space of the shells to project the bubbles. They like use that. coming out of that. I think it's clever that they use the blank space of the shells to project the bubbles.

They use that. And they changed that. They had to add more bubbles, I think, after the thing happened. So, yeah, this is just more like kind of in the Peter Pan tradition. You see stuff that happens from the movie, but it's sort of like you're kind of going on your adventure exploring this world. Yeah. As opposed to just sort of yeah like you're just watching examples of book report rides yeah i'm trying to think i mean like kind

of the monsters inc ride in california adventure is a little is like that yeah you're not really there's no real premise like you're there's a monster on the loose or there's a kitchen on the loose on monstropolis but how are you yeah you have no duty uh within that story yeah which is opposed to like radiator springs racers and cars land it's kind of like yeah you see the characters but it's sort of new it's telling like a noose you're in cars you're coming to radiator springs you're gonna race that's the et adventure you have to get right back most of them aren't if they have a property most of them are sort of their own little original thing not a rich completely original but like have that element

of like kind of exploration however what you just showed does that really solve that well first of all what vehicle what's the ride you know what's interesting is that that uh that simulation has a couple of like pirates of the caribbean ish yes yeah elements to it especially like the shipwrecks and the mist and stuff like i watched it reminded me because there's a different sort of pirates ride in disneyland shanghai and it seems like that is kind of big moments in that ride remind me of this animatic yeah yeah yeah so the the vehicle was not just sort of a a thing that would be on the ground and it was not it was like something that would be kind of suspended in the middle basically i mean there was i think you can see to the start here um it's like i think it's like technically Hanging from the ceiling It's what kind of shell

It would make you feel like you were floating You're in a big shell and it's that like Corkscrew right it's a mollusk Kind of shell But yeah wait I don't even know what I'm looking It's not from above but yeah There's two there's two like wires That are hanging so like you would be a little suspended

And it would allow you to kind of like bob Which would make you feel A little bit so like you would be a little suspended and it would allow you to kind of like bob which would make you feel really cool a little bit more like you're underwater why didn't they do it it's i'm sure it's just politics it's just like whatever expense is a big thing watching watching that because i watched that through a couple times and it's also like uh uh it looks like the blue sky version of that ride of course because like yeah they would have to invent a new ride system for that also like trying to wrap my head around the space of that building that it could go in it would have had to have been huge right it would have been probably a different show scenes in that it's a very large decker if we haven't described this properly you're you're like it's all surrounding the boat and there's stuff above the water and below the water so it's this double decker ride which i agree makes it a more interesting setting to

explore uh it's like how alice in wonderland is made more interesting by the fact that you're going upstairs and you go outside for a bit and then go back into this different room yes just that subtle that it's this double decker thing makes it more interesting so so yeah this is just look the ride i i'm being on the ride is some cool robots the ursula robot is awesome that scene when that's my favorite i think singing the whole thing is when she's in front and of she's singing poor unfortunate souls incredible animatronic it's huge like you know we've gotten stuck there and that's great and like oh please last longer i wanted to stare at the robot more um but i do think a lot of people have a

feeling after they get off it i'm like good good like and it doesn't that's my feel i wouldn't argue with you there but i don't mind that feeling i think some rides can have that yeah sure i also think like leland i thought you brought up a great point about like how you are via the context you are in going into a ride can affect it because i remember going on this uh i when i first went on it like it would have been a little while after a couple months after it opened so it maybe had a little weight but not a huge weight and it was like the context for me was like oh this is a new ride this is one part of the big, like, redo of California Adventure. And I was like,

yeah, this was nice. This is a very pleasant ride and also, like, was greatly missing from this park. Like,

for years, this park had very few rides, period, let alone these kinds of, like, classic Disney dark rides. So, I was like,

oh, yeah, this makes sense. And now, it's technically was in the san francisco section of the park so that doesn't entirely make sense but yeah that's a weird thing like where it's like this it's she's like the outcast princess yeah everybody else is chilling in fantasy land like it's just like you have to get to ariel like all the way into another park

you were in the bay area she's she's she's very privileged she's she can afford to Ariel all the way into another park. You were in the Bay Area. She's very privileged. She can afford to live in the Bay Area. Oh, yeah, no. So why wouldn't you? Not real estate. But yeah, so I guess in my set, so I did not have a huge weight for it.

And I was kind of like, oh, yeah, there's construction walls up everywhere. So I'm just kind of happy to be on something to be on something uh in 2000 fall of 2011 i guess like the statement i was just happy to be on something that doesn't sound like a ring endorsement but it was also like oh yeah more of this to come and then it was good good world of color uh came right around that time yeah yeah um but you know i really like seeing that um animation of the what the ride was gonna be originally because i've never really thought about the architecture of rides i've never really thought about it you know and a lot going on and and i i like thinking about now because that does make me appreciate it's's like, oh, yes, there's a lot of thought.

And it's like, this ride is to make you feel like you're on a bubble. And this ride is to make you feel like you're flying in the air. And this one is to make you feel like you're trapped in a jungle, you know, or like on a rickety car that's like through a temple. And it's like, oh, yeah's there are people who um have spent a lot of time and teams like in perfecting you know how to make it feel like you are running through a temple and and that's so cool yeah never thought about them before things are like impossible to achieve so you know in the like i've said before like sometimes

you're dealing with like military grade technology things that like so like star tours or whatever like the simulators had not really been in the public before like so to yeah to create some of these feelings you have to yeah deploy very crazy new technology and which is probably also very expensive and i bet when they were analyzing how do we get this little mermaid ride into that space i bet a was like we got to take out that movie theater quick and and so we can't do this double decker thing and it was also probably let's do a vehicle very similar to the haunted mansion so that it's not a new untested technology like what you're showing cost said this yeah yeah

i mean cost has a lot to do with it but then like i do think politic like politics end up like this guy tony baxter is clearly like salty about the version of the little mermaid that's in the park now and he's he's of course we've talked about him many times big thunder star tours figment in florida uh splash mountain he did all these like the main guy in charge of all those but he's like cranky you can hear he's cranky about this version of the ride being in here because he knows there was a better version and it probably like when he walks by it he goes upset about it it took them like over a decade just to get this made so i'm sure it was also like handed off from multiple designers and teams and stuff just

in terms of politics but like yeah i mean cost is a factor too because however many was it a couple billion to revitalize yeah the california adventure so like if one thing turns out more expensive they have to take the money from something at that balance the book somewhere else I always wonder also if this if the if it kind of backwards if it was backwards dictated like the Disneyland one caused the the Florida one to have to be a little less interesting like if they weren't jamming it because it's it's kind of copy-pasted for the most part in terms of layout and everything so so in other words is the florida one the exact same layout as the as the the whoopi goldberg

theater like did they have to make it exactly the same i watched there's a video where you can watch both rides side by side which is a disorienting experience but they are pretty much identical the lines felt identical yeah the lines are clearly different and the loading area is a little different but like yeah i mean florida benefits florida is sitting the the one in florida is sitting on top of what used to be 20 000 leagues under the sea that's where it's located in uh the florida park but i by putting it in fantasy land like i mean it's literally called Fantasyland. So, there's like a carousel next

to the Dwarves House, next to the Winnie the Pooh ride, next to the Beauty and the Beast, be our guest castle restaurant. Big mess is what you're saying? Next to the Little Mermaid. A big mess. So, yeah, it's just kind of like everything can be next to each other. All your toys are on the floor.

Yeah. Kids love it. Yeah. That's the funnest time. each other. All your toys are on the floor. Yeah. Kids love it. Yeah. That's the funnest time. You know, you had a good time with them. Wait, you have to show us the, because the one big difference. Oh, yes. There's a big Ursula.

Here you do. Look at that. Oh, yeah. There's a massive Ursula. Oh, yeah. And there's a climax to actually to the ride. You do get the Ursula death. Probably the biggest difference in this version. Is that that better do we like that yeah oh yeah and then i think six

year old scott doesn't like it well of course i think you're crying i think 32 year old scott also probably doesn't like the giant ursula well i talked about how i don't like big things in small rooms like i am afraid of the giant boo in uh super mario world right like oh on the video just on the straight video game giant the yes i'm not even there when i see my avatar of mario paired with a gigantic boo i freak the fuck it gives me this weird spatial relation it scares the shit out of me so this ursula gives me some big boo feeling interesting phobia what do you feel like like weird body tension even talking about big boo it's maybe the thing i'm the most afraid of if big boo like imagine we're in a pretty like

you know like i guess it's kind of a small like living room here. And if Boo was filling all of it, Jesus Christ. What if like Mike had like a giant like Great America stuffed teddy bear or something? That's fine. If it were the size of the room, if it were all the way up to the ceiling, I guess I just think that was odd. I saw your eyes. You like looked at the ceiling. Was there fear in my eyes? Yeah.

And you're like, your pupils got smaller. You went, ugh. Big things maybe freak me out let me ask you this how do you feel about the big muppets um you mean like sweetums like oh you mean when they eat ums or like i'm thinking of do you know the muppet christmas carol yeah yeah the ghost of christmas present he's like a large man he's like he's a large jolly man but he is like one of the big walk around mop or i feel like there's some labyrinth just sort of like the kind of muppets not if if your size is big already then it's fine but if you are supposed to be small and then you become okay i know get it. If I know you're a small version and now you're big.

So is your worst movie like Alice in Wonderland? There is weird stuff with Alice in Wonderland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The shrinking and the growing. Because that's exactly what that whole movie is. It's a lot of it, yeah. I think it freaked me out, yeah, when she grows and is the size of the house. It's an upsetting thing to think about happening to you. I't think that this bothers you but i'm just curious i just want to really

explore this i like the yeah thanks for this therapy session so uh like part of the the disney channel uh fan fest is we took pictures with mike and sully and we were in an enclosed space, maybe like this living room-ish. And Mike is like four feet tall, which is really interesting. But Sully was like eight feet tall. Does that make you feel weird? Weirdly, no. But I bet my wife would feel weird about it because we all met chewbacca together and when chewbacca rounded the corner in that tight little corridor she like

oh he's so intimidating filled the small and he's so real and he's a hugger he's a hugger he'll grab you um i think again i don't know the size of Sully. He could be that. But here's what I was going to say back to the Muppets, is that when there's walk-around Muppets, which there have been in the parks a little bit, when there's a man-sized Kermit, freaks me out a little. Yeah. That's weird. Because Kermit is supposed to be small.

Yes, correct. And Sully is supposed to be big. I think so. Or I just don't know. You can define for me for the first time how big sully is supposed to be do you i'm kind of weirded out by maybe not scared of but i think it's funny to go back to mrs potts that in the in the beauty and the beast live shows that there is a mrs potts that is much bigger than bell i'm not scared of that but i think it's it's strange two questions uh scared

of the baby uh in honey i shrunk the blew up the kids um no no i don't think i have any like weird childhood uh trauma from that amazingly yeah scared of animal at the end of muppet movie when animal grows giant oh because i actually think if i think about it i was a little uncomfortable by how big he was maybe i've blocked that out maybe i avoid you don't even remember it because there's mommy i don't want to watch that one i just politely requested you know what actually but maybe it's an outdoor this is the strangest specific issue we're dealing with i think i'm if i'm freaked out by any of honey i Up the Kid, it's when the kid is in the living room as opposed to walking around the street. If there's open air, I'm fine.

Interesting. Big Boo with open sky is okay. But if I'm in a room and it's just me as Mario and Big Boo, that's the scariest thing that's ever happened. If you're in Bowser's Castle, it's bad. But if you're in bowser's castle yeah it's bad but if you're in mumu farms it's fine yes because i know you know i could i could fly away he could fly away i can get away from him easy i'm not trapped i'm gonna go the other direction do you know mulholland drive the david lynch movie i haven't seen it in decades okay do you remember there's

an old couple in it that they're like riding a bus at one point i don't remember this okay so there's a sequence where there's like an old touristy couple and they get on a bus and they're really like creepily smiling and they don't say anything and you're like and it kind of comes out of nowhere and then you don't see them again for a while and then at some point like one of the versions of naomi watts because there's like two realities in that movie she like lies down on the couch in her living room and then it it cuts it there's a shot of the door the front door of the house and it's like about an inch gap between like the door and the floor and there's just teeny tiny versions of that old couple like running and are screaming oh no and then they get into the room and i think they like pop up to big size and like terrorize her but i just

remember watching that and these teeny tiny couple of like oh no how did they get small ah yeah that might do it for you know uh edwin just as i said that edwin just very quietly walking into my field of vision. Edwin is very small, and he has just returned from a walk. But if he came back from the walk and was the size of the room, this podcast would be fucking over forever. I'm not coming back here. We got to do it outside from now on.

If he was Clifford size. Oh, yeah. Oh, maybe I'm scared of Clifford. Oh, Scott hates Clifford. I might hate clifford i think i actually prefer wasn't there another clifford where clifford was small i think i chose are you the normal clifford the normal short clifford walking around on his knees oh that's all i mean that's a terrifying that's a freudian terrifying movie what if you're big

like like when you go into toontown and there's like small small things no i don't think i have issues there because i'm i have the power yeah yeah yeah okay but you're the oppressor giant i guess i'm having one more and then we'll move off of this we better move off of it uh i think the i think maybe i was somewhere as a kid and there was a a walk around kool-aid man and it freaked me the fuck out oh i i don't want to keep adding to this. I was scared of giant balloons in front of car dealerships as a child. So if it was a giant ape,

there was like a giant ape balloon. I didn't like it. And once my dad one time made me go up and like touch one of them to like, to break my fear of it. Oh, wow. Did it work? Kind of, I think.

I was still kind of uncomfortable because there would be like, if we were driving down the expressway, there would be like, maybe there's something promote, I don't know what it would be being promoted, but seven of them would be in a line and I remember kind of just like looking to the left. So I guess I had that too

now that I think about it. Well, I think I would have had the same issue as you, but only if it was indoors. That's where these particular deviations of these fears very bizarre anyway to bring it back to the uh so what i'm saying is uh uh fuck this ride uh fuck tony baxter i don't want this giant ursula get it out of here the ride is perfect i'm gonna enjoy my wine and not see any giant things it'll be the only ride you ride that day so to sum up you are saying keep as is scott

because leelan so what we do at the end is we say like what would you do to the right would you keep it perfectly as is would you plus it up do you have any ideas or would you burn it down uh in a mysterious fire for insurance money a mysterious fire uh no i keep as this that's why i brought it up okay jason well you know a couple years after the ride open they did like, some minor plus it ups. Like, they changed the hair. Like, this is such a weird thing to talk about. The hair in the under the seat sequence, Ariel's hair,

like, they tried to mold the hair so it looks like the one shot in that sequence when she's, like, swimming directly directly down and so her hair is above her in the water so they tried to recreate that in three in physical space and a lot of people's complaints were that it like this looks like she has a beehive like a 50s cartoon beehive didn't read his hair necessarily it looked like an ice cream cone it looks like we're like yeah soft serve ice cream so they changed that and they also change like there's some sequences with screens where like when she's transforming that were much more cgi 3d back in the day and then they kind of change it to be more

2d animated in the style of the movie which i think works so i think like and then they added some more fish i think throughout it so like i think just so i think like and then they added some more fish i think throughout it so like i think just keep adding i like seeing little touches to rides like little plus ups more animatronics more fish i say fill that under the sea room with fish like i want there to be so many fish uh uh i not that they would form a giant voltron scott that you would be uncomfortable thanks for anticipating my worry uh but like yeah more more uh dancing oh god oh you brought me to the worst one of all the fish that swallows you oh god the one that jumps out of the water the big red fish uh that was in mario that's oh no dear that is making you worse terrified of mario just playing the game mario like it was terror i've never been a big gamer since and

that's why with level number one there's size levels too there's giant goombas and all that uh so when i was thinking about fish to add to that scene just not that one that swallows you whole reasonable size reasonable size so so a few more reasonable size fit just every now and then i think that also shows a attention to detail care when parks are like hey we shut this down to clean it up make sure everyone's working we put a little couple extra things in there i like when parks do that. And also on April Fool's Day, I think they should put in Terrence and Phillip animatronics to just wave at you when you go by. Okay, that's all. Leland's giving big thumbs up to that idea.

Brick and mortar are not pleased. Yeah, brick and mortar are not pleased. I got to say, yeah, plus it up. I mean, I think it would be real cool if they would do something with the ride vehicles that did kind of give you like a little bit of an up and down motion that's probably very expensive but i would like them to do it i would prefer it if they did it uh because i think that would go a long way sort of in making you feel like you were really uh under the sea uh i also think they should take

out the kiss the girl and put in a death scene for ursula I think that's more important. I think that there should be a full-sized, I think that should be bigger than the one we saw in that video of Ursula. I think she should be in the room. Her head should be maybe like 20 feet long. Do you want me to stay here or not?

Try to drive me out of the room. You just want a scene of like, because in the movie, Prince Eric? Prince Eric. Prince Eric is like, his shirt's all ripped and he's like a heroic hunk and he steers the ship with the last bit of strength. So you want like something for the guys in there.

You want some guy actors. You know what? I got an idea. You just gave me a very, very good idea. Okay, you add like an old broken mast to the front of each car. Oh, Mike, no. Well, wait. Let's see where he's going with this because I can't see it.

So you see there's a room and obviously they have limited space. So it's just like Ursula's giant head but then her body. So the way to defeat Ursula is to have each car drive their dirty wooden mast into her stomach. And then you go kind of through it and there's like kind of a lighting effect and like it goes black. So obviously you're not actually making contact. Oh, it's over the track. Yes, it's over the track. You go through it.

It's kind of like a door. So we're all now. Now it solves the problem of it's our adventure. We are helping. We're the heroes. We're the heroes. We're the murderers. We're the murderers. now now it solves the problem of it's our adventure we are helping we're doing something we're the hero we're the murderers we're the heroic sea witch murderers we're the shit and we all can feel like eric with our shirt ripped and we're like handsome now and we're finally doing it so i think that would be a good i mean let me throw one more thing in for context which

is that what if there was a way to see what you would look like as a little shrunken uh zero voice creature so that you could see what hypothetically ursula might do to you and then that gives you blood lust like i want to tear her rib cage that's good too yeah yeah you guys are ruining this we're blue sky this is. These are ideas. You think adding horrendous violence would not be of help? More creepy creatures, more death. More soulless monstrosities of your possible future. And the only other thing I'll say is at the end of the wedding ceremony, just give me Mr. Limpet in a white like tuxedo and a little top hat and he's wishing them luck and he's having a good time because he appeared earlier and i want to see

where he's at by the end of the ride i'm for that yeah it's that one's at least i think we call we can all agree that's a nice cheap way to plus the ride up and we love you too oh handy this one of us has to have a don knotsnotts right yeah I kind of I don't we'll work on it for a future my Don Knotts are just like

whoa Andy it can be real close to Jimmy Stewart yeah whoa Andy careful yeah oh well do you have one

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And we're of course Most importantly shipping Jason And many And different treats. And also if anyone wants to draw a picture of us recording but I'm just real big and take up the room and Scott is like sweating and really nervous.

Oh, I'll draw that. Oh, I'm so drawing that. It would be funny like just a picture of Scott and then like Clifford and the baby from Honey I Blew Up the Kid and Boo. I'm surrounded by all of these things. Scott, this is how we calm you down,

like the mushroom omelet in Phantom Thread for all the thread heads out there. This is how we calm you down when you're a little too wound up and we sort of set you back to one. Have I been too demanding in setting this podcast schedule? Scott is the Reynolds Woodcock of Podcast the Ride. That's for sure.

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stars only of course i just saw somebody gave us a four star and said that we need to tighten the podcast up. Not gonna happen. So go back and amend it. I think that's a great note. I think every podcast could be tighter. I believe it was specifically, they go on tangents a lot, which that is all podcasts.

And I hope you like that 10 minutes we did on giant things Alright That's it for us today We're in the process of not keeping it tight Right now We could just keep going Just to punish that Mr. Four Star

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