Podcast: The Ride - The Skyway

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

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Forever. Dog. Warning, the following podcast contains discussion of an old, slow-moving bucket that lazily carries you through the air. We love it. It's the Skyway on podcast The Ride. welcome to podcast the ride the theme park podcast that is 100 wheelchair accessible i'm scott gerdner, joined by Mike Carlson. Hey, I am here, and that is good news. Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the only one. I believe we're the only one. Jason Sheridan's here as well. Yes, I am here too. It's important to be considerate so everyone can enjoy the show. Yes, indeed, indeed. And I wish others were more considerate as well. Folks, today we're talking about the Skyway, which basic primers.

These were the gondolas that took you back and forth between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland in the Magic Kingdom and Disney World, originally in Disneyland, Tokyo Disneyland as well, from the 50s through the mid 90s, where among the things, the factors that made them go away was the handicap accessibility. But that's, you know, that's the main stuff. And I'm excited to talk about the Skyway because this is like this is some pretty classic Disneyland stuff. I feel like when I talked to my mom, this was a very important thing to her. I think if you were an original decade Disneyland person, you really love the Skyway. Yeah, I think. Yeah, you when you think of the classic pictures of Disney or the classic videos that Skyway, I guess it's probably looms large in my brain of the like archived footage because it's gone now. So it always like I always look at it but i do think like that's such a huge part of what they call the kinetic

energy the movement that you would see when you go into disney yeah and such a great like in that first run of like attraction posters like a really good one oh yes absolutely yeah the uh the posters that you see uh under the train tracks uh entering disneyland yeah oh yeah uh uh very classic one um you know that yeah you bring up a good point right away mike and yeah the how much the skyway uh really hits you in early footage of disneyland i'll say right away uh let me look up the name of this on on youtube i there's a really great um film short i don't know what you'd call it called people and places disneyland usa and it's a lot of really beautiful old film footage in color of disneyland in in 1956 it shows you what the park was like then and uh i mean the whole thing is great uh it's really beautiful and beautifully shot. But, you know, they film from the skyway as well. And it shows you uh where you know with like all the big spirals like

you really get a sense of the kinetic energy of the spirals of the original mad tea party maybe the best from up in the skyway yeah it's uh all of that stuff seeing it now uh like in the footage when you see like because they i feel like they've had in the footage of it shot from the skyway like you can sort of see the vantage point of the skyway that stuff is all exciting i also of course feel a sense of dread because of how scared i was oh good oh yes this is your this is your area you don't like precarious dangling i i suppose i you know what that's we have not branded exactly what it is about rides that i don't like but precarious dangling or precarious feeling a precarious vibe that even though it maybe isn't it's very safe but it's precarious it feels precarious

it's you know it's laying legs dangling off of a roller coaster. I don't love that. It is Skyway, which is slow. And I guess Skyliner, which is, of course, the new version of this at Disney World. It is a slow moving thing. Wires don't help because it feels that does feel precarious. And it's I know there's nothing under me. There's something about that that sort of gives me anxiety. I don't know. I think it's just some sort of inherent thing in my brain. I don't think there was a traumatic incident or anything.

You really feel the movement on those wires. Like if you hit a weird little bump or a sway, you really feel it. It feels natural. feels like it like it shouldn't be happening like any little jerk kind of freaks you out yes that is right so when i so we're talking about skyway and this is still one that i haven't overcome i've overcome better like crazier roller coasters i've overcome haunt i i love haunts now i never did but the skyway type ride still has not been conquered by my brain and now of course compare that to me who as we've established in the past i am much like a goat want to be as high up as possible so i felt always would jump at the chance to do the skyway or like hey uh i know it's faster to walk but we

could take the skyway to get to that part of the park you love the friendly skies i do do you guys that's one of those weird little uh dumb pleasures that you know barely has any impact but i always feel it the feeling of yes why walk when we could take that even though taking the other transport because that's what else is like that the train the train gets you to another part of the park without having to walk even though it could end up taking you vastly longer depending it still feels like this dumb little cheat barely like i figured out a better way a more efficient way well and i i have so much affection for the skyway and it's funny because what we usually so much we usually have affection for

is like theming and stuff this besides the stations which were very nice looking uh i think um this ride could not be any less themed Like it's just giant gray girders and buckets. Vehicles that were so quick, people just started calling them, yeah, those buckets. Yes, never specifically referred to by Disney as the sky buckets. But again, if you ask parents,

a lot of parents might knee-jerk call it the sky buckets that definitely was the the terminology for sure and i i think there is like arguments to be made of like okay well maybe put theming like theming can take a back seat if it's really fun like the skyway is really fun like the same i think we were mike and i were talking a while back of like all right just sell baby yoda shit and galaxy's edge who cares everyone loves this little guy just fill it yeah do it yeah yeah i know because we we love immersive stuff and it's i i'd like to think that the listener understands our level why would would we make fun of King Dakar at Six Flags having ads for a hair gel on the side? But we would love just copious Baby Yoda merchandising in Galaxy's Edge and love these unthemed buckets.

I don't know. I mean, I'd like to think that the spectrum is clear, but if we need to break it down further, let us know. Yeah. Look, life is a contradiction. That's what I always say. to think that the spectrum is clear but if we need to break it down further let us know yeah i it's look life is a contradiction that's what i always say so there's gonna be some of it i mean look at the sky i don't want to talk too much about the skyliner if there's enough there for its own thing but look at the contradiction with the skyliner where like okay they put they they put the the the pillars a lot of stuff backstage or on access roads uh and it goes by some of the very expensive hotels and it does not stop at them like if anything it makes the views worse from those places but overall a net

positive yes sure sure now you know you bring up a good point and we should break this down the skyway is not the skyliner the skyway as i said was something from the from disneyland through the 50s through 90s and it's been gone for a long time the skyliner is the new thing disney world that takes you around epcot and mg studios and some some of the campus the skyway is also not the starway the starway is the big set of escalators that took you from the top part of universal studios hollywood down to the bottom part and if you want to hear more about those escalators we did an episode about it at patreon.com slash podcast. Right. So Skyway, not the Starway Skyway,

not the Skyliner and Skyway. Also not Ford's magic Skyway, which is a ride that did not take place in the sky at all. That was something from the 1964 world's fair. And it is where you drove sixties fords through the time of the dinosaurs what i'm kind of saving like i've never really dug deep on ford's magic skyway and that's like neither i would like to as i say all that out loud i'm like why have we not gotten to that one yeah i was gonna say it's also not the minneapolis skyway which is a series of elevated bridges. Oh.

Oh, yeah, that's what that's called? Yeah, which is also the replacements have a song called Skyway. What? Yeah, which is a great song. It's like a sweet little song. So it's not that. Jeez. And it's also not, I don't want to go overboard here but i was looking up all of the

rides that have been built by the company that built this thing skyway uh with the company's called von roll um and they there's a list on wikipedia of the other rides that they've built and most of them are called sky ride one is called bayside Skyride. One is, there's Skybuckets. That one's official. Skyfari. Skyway. Different Skyway at Six Flags Great Adventure.

Skylift. Aeronaut Skyride. It's a pretty dense network of the same five words to weave. But no Skyfall? Ooh, is there a ride called Skyfall?

What is a movie, of course. I think they'd like to minimize the thought of falling from these contraptions. There's a type of, it looks like somewhere called Fun Time in Australia has Skyfall. It's a drop tower. Okay. Yeah, that makes more sense because you do want to fall. Right. That's fun. Falling is fun in that instance. In that instance. Folks, if you've got a drop tower

and it's not falling, something's wrong. A fallout like Mission Impossible Fallout, that's a good fallout to watch, but less good, I guess, to experience if you were ethan hunt james bond sky falls ethan hunt falls out right they're both falling in different ways uh i think there's i think there's also a skyfall at dollywood is there is it called skyway i'm sorry it's's called Dropline. I really need to.

I need to do. I can't just click on clickbait headlines during the show. I need to vet this info before I talk. You know, you're going to run into a situation where you get like Camp Snoopy and Planet Snoopy mixed up. Oh, yeah. I mean, we're still sorting that out. Sure. Is the difference indecipherable? What?

It doesn't pretty much depend on what the sign budget was for that any given year? Sure. Could we do a whole separate spinoff podcast about Sky-based entertainment called Sky Guys? I think the answer is yes. Yeah. Sky Guys. You went to college with one of the Sky Guys, right? That is true, yes.

The Sky Guys. Sky Guys are not the Try Guys. No, they're not. They're different. They're us. We are the Sky Guys. are not the bumper car boys who we hate and whose podcast is not wheelchair accessible that's correct we are the sky guys and also the podcast the ride uh good boys and the podcast the ride guys who are good boys um maybe was it there was we've talked about the

rumors that a third tokyo disney gate would be tokyo disney sky correct yes i'm in love with that name i know i read so if i'm saying oh you know here what about skyway i was just gonna say i didn't realize that disney c had c had sea in it because Disneyland has land in it. Oh, yeah. It took me a few months or a few years to figure that out. And I was like, oh, that's perfect. And then I heard Disney Sky and I was like, oh, shit. Really good.

It's like a Mario level. Where else can Mario go? There's sky levels. And so the third gate, I guess the third gate could be in the sky much in the in the tokyo tradition oh yeah that's great uh the third gate is uh the sky where were the sky guys where the sky guys rise that's who we are that's who we we we should do ford's magic skyway by the way um um you know what um uh mike in terms of personal associations with this attraction your your association is being scared my association is being scared also My association is being scared also, but not because of the Skyway itself.

I think the heights nature of it and the dangly nature didn't bother me for some reason. But I viewed it as a good way to see the abominable snowman and get a sense of the Matterhorn before i was willing to go on the matterhorn and i'm sure with this and some other things that we'll talk about there'll be some things we mentioned uh also in the matterhorn episode so apologies for repeating material i didn't go back and relisten i'm sorry but um i you know because if you weren't aware um not in the magic kingdom or tokyo disneyland which don't have the Matterhorn. This ride went straight through the middle of the Matterhorn, which used to have these two big holes in it for the Skyway to pass through. And it took you right past the Abominable Snowman.

So I was so excited to get to see the robot without having to do the what I now know is the most terrifying roller coaster ever built. That makes a lot of sense. I'm trying to think how old was that was like on your yearly trip when you were younger? Yeah. And this, well, the Skyway was gone by 94 when I was like nine years old. So, and I, when did I start? I might've done the Matterhorn finally when I was like 10 or 11. I'm trying to think of where I would have been at.

I think I would have been comfortable on the Matterhorn around 10, but I may have still refused the Skyway. I don't know. I'll never know. I was trying to think of, like precarious dangling, I was trying to think of a good way to synopsize this little mini theme park syndrome I'm talking about. And I think the phrase I came up with is scaredy cat samples it's a way like I got to sample the Matterhorn by passing through it on the skyway similarly the people

mover gives you a scaredy cat sample of Space Mountain without having to go on Space Mountain for sure oh so there should be some like popemobile for you to drive around in during horror nights oh yes yes being like, Popemobile for you to drive around in during horror nights. Oh, yes, yes.

Being blockaded, knowing I can... They're not going to get that close to you. Yeah, there's, you know, going to be space. You probably can't get into any, like, tight interactions with any scare actors. Yeah, they can bang on the windows, but you know how bad is that really and you could maybe even have like you know the those gloves when you're handing handling like nuclear rods uh you could like put your hands through there and you could shoo people away oh yeah sure you know to make sure they keep their distance so you don't get scared as much as you would going through the regular maze i mean this might be how we all have to experience theme parks for life for the yes for the rest of time yes

horror nights are no horror nights we each have a little like mech suit like pope mobile that we get into that we have to get into if we leave the house or apartment? So each, every theme park has the capacity for 25 people. Yes. Slash their vehicles. Their mech warrior suit. Oh yeah, we all need the alien suit, which is slash the avatar suit. It's kind of the same thing.

Are there any other scaredy cat samples i mean i guess sort of i used i used to feel this way too but like well at least i get to see on the people mover i can see the lobby of star tours because i wasn't willing to go on star tours yet uh in florida yeah the people mover did you say space mountain already yeah i mean that was one of them yeah yeah oh that because that one gets you right don't you go between the the lift hills that gets you right in there uh i've got one the train at disneyland goes through the grand finale of splash mountain that's right oh that was my biggest one no it's for me to get that was the only way that i saw it for so long yeah yeah uh like this just in general like rides going through other rides like whenever it happens, it doesn't matter what the ride, it rules.

Oh, yeah. It's the best thing. It's so good. I don't know why it's the best thing, but it just happens to be. If we break it down, like what is it about that that makes it so good? I don't know. That you just get like another angle on a ride you like or? Maybe it's like good storytelling where they weave together plots that you didn't expect to be weaved together.

It's like the end of a Seinfeld where it all comes together. It lets you know these rides aren't like separate little bastions they all they all connect this is part of one greater whole yeah i guess that might be what it is i guess the same reason that marvel makes so much money with yeah yeah it's like people are like yeah these two movies are connected the people mover is part of space mountain and it's also i guess it's like a good piece of hype for another ride you're going to go on during the day. Like if you're going to Disney for the first time

or you don't get to go that often, you're going on the PeopleMover and you're seeing Space Mountain and you're like, oh man, what's that? I got to figure out what that is and we got to go on it. You know what we've never talked about on the show amazingly was the Tiny Toons video, how I spent my summer vacation

where Plucky is in a vacation-like struggle to get to, what is the theme park called in it? Do we know? Am I the only one of the three of us? No, I know exactly what you're talking about and I can't pull it. Yeah, I know what you're talking about and i can't yeah i know what you're talking about but i don't know it well it was it was like a pretty epic tiny it was like a tiny tunes mini movie essentially i want to say my guess is happy world land i think that's what it is um and it's it's it's the same structure as vacation where

it's this very frustrating trip but today where he slogs through a terrible time with his friend's family and at the end of it I'm going to get to a theme park and all of this struggle will be worth it but in this case instead of it being closed he gets on a monorail which I think is like a set of teeth and it takes him around to see

everything in the park he gets to ride a ride like and there's that and there's that and it's a joke bag of all these crazy seemingly kind of violent rides and then they get off it and he's like wow a preview of everything i get to do and then they tell him yep well uh that was a lot of fun we're just we're gonna head back now and he doesn't get to go on any of the rides and they just went to go on the tooth mobile and then that's it um but it captured that yeah how frustrating is that but it really captures a little little syndrome of theme park visiting like anything like though you know you know what's like that is getting to enter epcot via the monorail and it kind of takes

you around a bunch of epcot and gives you a preview of what you're going to get when you actually land well there's definitely a bang for the buck i think like like a perceived out of like wow look you get you get this and that but i think the other thing too is if you need like a little like space mountain fix and it's an hour 90 minute wait we just do a little people mover you at least get a little taste you know what i mean you get the theming even if you if you're not willing to devote three hours to get the thrill you get the theming in five minutes and by the way that ride is called the tooth fairy fairy being like the vehicle fairy that's very good i had that entire episode and happy world land are very good yes uh i'm looking at the opening for tiny tunes here and i'm seeing of

course that the great frank marshall produces oh yes uh tiny tune so i just want to shout him out uh friend of the show frank marshall i mean yeah why not you know that's we're more likely to get him someday um if we now we i did i think in a second gate episode talk about that i think he knows stuff about the twilight zone uh deaths but, but that's probably a deterrent to getting him. But maybe he won't hear that or this. Maybe he won't. But I assume he will because I assume he listens to as a friend of the show. Yeah, he listens to my feed, does not subscribe to the Patreon, though.

Just regular subscriber. Unless he uses a pseudonym. We don't know. There could be all kinds of people just using fake names. Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe his assistant signed up for the Patreon, and he listens to the Patreon through the assistant's login and email. Yeah, you got to be careful when you're as prominent as Frank Marshall, yes. Anything is possible um can i say something about um bringing disneyland vibes

home with you uh that i mean for sure this is a thing that i uh you know i remember my mom talking about forever ago like what if you could have a via what if you like in your kitchen if your little breakfast nook was a skyway or a people mover, but for the purposes of this episode, the Skyway, uh, what a dream, uh, that dream of course lived by, uh,

Richard craft, uh, who we do, we did the show at his gallery. That's from Disneyland. And I didn't realize that at that gallery and auction, there was a sale of a Skyway bucket. That was the highest price ever recorded for a Disneyland ride vehicle.

Wow. Really? Yeah. That was like the top moneymaker for the auction or just for a ride vehicle? Oh, I don't know that. I don't know. It did sell for more than the D that sold to also a friend of the show, David Copperfield. He subscribes to the Patreon, but he uses his real name uh well you want to do actually uh

maybe a little mini um souvenir smackdown the ultimate souvenir smackdown for the highest price uh you guys want to guess um what the skyway bucket went for um let me skyway bucket sold for um the highest price ever of all time for a disneyland ride three hundred thousand dollars jason um i i'm gonna say that might be too high and say fifty 000 uh the correct answer is 621 oh my god dollars oh my god yep yeah um which you know that has to be somebody uh you know probably closer to my parents age the first clue being that they have money and the second clue and they're like of course like like to have that you own a Skyway but I don't know I think it was a latter day Sky

Skyway I don't think it was a 50s one I think it was a post 65 when they made a different shape but yeah $600,000 they yeah it was a four seater one did we get a picture of that isn't there a or was that a people mover car I was looking I

don't I don't think we did in that unless somebody else has it okay we must have was that a people mover car i was looking i don't i i don't think we did in that unless somebody else has it okay we must have gotten in the people mover car yeah but um yeah we are obviously far too young to ever see the circular buckets which also had uncomfortable looking metal chair things and you would face a direction compared to the uh post 65 ones which were a lot more lightweight plastic and they could expand uh they they made it lighter and then they were able to expand the seating to uh four riders and you sit two facing front two facing back oh oh wait so you were just on a bench originally you were on these weird like theater seats kind of like fold down theater seats and there wasn't a back they're like back of the

bucket was sort of the back yeah i was reading about this and i've thought about it like if you were to actually go on all the rides opening day of disneyland like how uncomfortable would they all be yeah because that especially like what you're describing of the original seating arrangement it seems like it would be really cramped and unpleasant um but you know you weren't used to being on cool rides in a cool place so you didn't notice it was so bad i just saw a um a shark tank pitch that was kind of a weird product that was about um you know like a cloth to put on a swing so your baby doesn't uh burn him or herself uh on the metal of a span i forgot about that sensation of being on a hot swing and how much that would hurt on a playground. I bet a lot of Disneyland was like a very hot swing all the time.

Oh, yeah. Oh, the other thing, the original Skyway Buckets had a pole in the middle. Wow. Just a big old, like a party bus? Yeah, I guess. Not that kind of, I don't think. Right, right. I don't think. Right, right. I don't think anybody was stripping on it.

Those poles and party buses are load-bearing, so you have to be very careful. Very careful script uses. Yeah. Well, credit to Bob Gurr, who designed the new ones and got them to be a little more comfy but yeah there's that like brutal nature of the old rides but I mean Bob Gurr seems so cool I mean it's a

listener we've talked about him before and you can see him in the Imagineering documentary and he was part of the early Autopia especially but like for how crazy high tech everything is in the parks now it does seem like so much of original Disneyland was you know, like, well, it's called Bob. Like something breaks down and like, I got old Bob out here and he comes out with a toolbox and bangs it back into shape. He's like the handyman in your building. Like a handyman in so many of those early guys kind of self-taught how to do all this stuff. Oh, yeah, right. Yes. guys kind of self-taught how to do all this stuff oh yeah right yes in the documentary in the imaginary story i forget about what ride but he says i'm a car guy not a not a bot guy not a robot guy i forget what that was about but yeah he doesn't fair none of these people knew how to do

anything figure out trigonometry i think was his task was his task for the big thing in the Matterhorn. Oh, that's what it was. Yes, he designed one of the major steel roller coasters in history, despite his initial reaction when Walt asked him being, no, I can't do that. But now I say they don't know anything, but all these people all across the board didn't know anything, figured it out, and pioneered a whole industry like cracked

codes that everybody's still basing all their decisions on decades later yeah yeah my favorite is uh like an imagineering panel and they'll have tony baxter and bob gerr and tony baxter is you know talking about like imagination and story and how it places you talking about imagination and story and how it places you in the story and you're the character, you're the protagonist. And then Bob Gurr and you ask him about the ride and he goes, yeah, we wanted to make a fast, fun ride and we did it. Like I made the ride and I spun it around and it didn't work at first,

but then it worked and I spun it around and it didn't work at first, but then it worked. And I guess it's fun. The total contrast is very fun and amusing. And honestly, they're both viable, like philosophies with a ride. Like you need both of those brains to do creative work. Yeah. God bless those people. I also last night ended up on a video where I think the video is called two hipsters try to interview Tommy Lee Jones.

And it's like two press junket guys are coming in asking all these highfalutin questions about character work. And Tommy Lee Jones's answer is just like, no, what are you talking about? I play a character. I say the lines and I go home. Would you ever want to live as one of your characters for a day? No, they're false. I want to be myself. Yeah.

I kind of like that brutalism. Not everyone should be that way, but it's refreshing sometimes. It is. Yeah. And it's interesting. Philosophies and everyone's process is different. It's like the Laurence Olivier line. Like Dustin Hoffman in Marathon Man had to show up really haggard looking and stuff in a scene.

So he stayed up all night. And Laurence Olivier said, Dusty, have you tried acting? Fucking got him there's there's a story I think it was Don Rickles told a story about he was working on some movie with two actors and I don't remember what the actors who they were

and one of them was definitely like process and character and like really laboring over it and the other one was like just say the lines and let's go have a drink. Like that's the, like, who cares? Let's get this over with. And I love hearing like philosophical bullshit

about people's work. And I tend to think like that too. But, you know, ultimately you can probably simplify and be like, just say it with a voice that's loud and i'm gonna say it sad louder faster angrier yeah ultimately i do think a lot of that process is to you know because the actual amount of time anyone spends acting unless you're in a play which runs for hours the actual process of like acting in front of TV or even doing what we do, doing the podcast,

isn't that long in the span of a week. So you do have to fill the hours and convince your brain you're working. Like, well, this is good. This is contributing to the 30 minutes when I do that. But maybe you don't feel like you have to fill that time and make up that work. If you're 70 years old,

an Oscar winner already mad. Yeah. Maybe you stick to the ships in the bottle. You love so much. We, we like our, we like our, our process people and we like our cranks too.

Yes. Cranks and process people good balance favor of both of those yeah um skyway stuff oh yes jason yes well scott i had some questions for you uh because i'm assuming you rode the disneyland skyway more than disney world like i i have thoughts and stuff a lot on the dis World one, but I wanted to ask, like, it feels like the Skyway going through the Matterhorn was one of those things that like, oh, this is probably grandfathered in because the walls look very close to these buckets. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, I guess it was. Yeah, it did feel very close. Yeah, you definitely felt like you could reach out and touch that rock, although you shouldn't.

And, you know, there's problems with reaching out of the Skyway, which we'll get to, I imagine. Yeah, even though the Skyway opened first and it was open for a year and then they closed it to build the Matterhorn. Which is bizarre. Yeah. So crazy. They opened it and then like 18 months later build the matterhorn which is bizarre yeah so crazy they opened it and then like 18 months later they're like all right put it on the shelf almost immediately and then yeah and then they built the matterhorn where the main support pillars were for the the sky like so that i guess the matterhorns like in the dead center of the where the skyway track used to be. Yeah. Well, there was a big beam on the old Holiday Hill where everyone would go to neck, the dirt grass mound.

Yeah, Disney really should bring back some sort of a dirt grass mound so we can all neck, so we can do more necking at Disneyland. Skyway seems like it'd be good for necking, you know? Yeah, because yeah, yeah. I mean, people will be able to see it, though. It's not as good as like Haunted Mansion. we're necking at disneyland skyway seems like it'd be good for necking you know yeah because yeah yeah i mean people will be able to see it though it's not as good as like haunted mansion that's true uh it was you can do it it's just that like you know people are gonna look up and see people necking um it was gone by the time i was doing any necking um i my my neck career had not began in 1994 um now the opposite happened of course and i know we've talked about this and i don't remember what episode but um in one of the i want to say before any of the any of the tgif shows proper got to disneyland or disney world

and most of them went to disney world this is actually rare to see a show at disneyland blossom the TGIF shows proper got to Disneyland or Disney World. And most of them went to Disney World. This is actually rare to see a show at Disneyland. Blossom went to Disneyland. Oh, I think I talked about it on Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln because one of the characters talks to Lincoln, who I think sounds like a Brooklyn-y guy or something. Am I making that up? Or is he just like, no, maybe he's still Lincoln,

but just like, I'm bolted to the floor. I don't remember it exactly. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. But anyway, yeah, the opposite occurs where Blossom and Six are in a Skyway car, and they look down and see Blossom's boyfriend, wait, not necking, but hugging another woman. And they get mad and they throw ice at the boyfriend. But then it turns out to be his sister, I believe. I think that's the story. Cousin, I think.

Oh, cousin. Okay. But again, I'm sure I said this before. Sorry. Anyway, keep going. It's just so weird that they were willing to show that. And then in the scene that they say, like, you remember when we used to get up here and throw ice at people? So why would Disney agree to let them film a show where they encourage throwing ice at people?

Yeah, that is weird. Really off-brand. And off-brand to let Lincoln talk. and they might even call them the sky buckets i know they get some like facts wrong in that show there's definitely some like off-brand stuff going on in that episode really weird it is refreshing because that's back when you know you everything wasn't micromanaged quite as much so stuff would sneak through like that that doesn't happen in the modern family like shoots at disneyland era right they have to write big old instruction manuals before they can write a script even right an episode is about uh being safe on a ride

and how good the ride is i assume i assume i haven't seen these episodes. But I don't know. Is there. Well, so the seeing the go through the Matterhorn and seeing the snowman in the middle, that was sort of like a good middle beat of your Skyway passage, no matter which way you were going. Did you do you guys feel like the Disney World version was lacking at all because there was not such a um a landmark in the middle well i'm gonna i'm gonna go out and say uh no because for much of the time of the skyway's life in florida you had um you had a lot of interesting stuff you didn't have a big like kind of set piece moment of going through a mountain but you got some amazing view of the 20 000 leagues lagoon and yeah i that that uh that looks incredible there's a lot of disney world

ride throughs on the skyway um on youtube and i think it is because it is one of the few rides that you can, you could in the late nineties, pick up your brick of a camcorder and get the whole ride and get some good footage. And it's pretty clear because it's very sunny. So like, but it's, I mean,

it's as good as standard deaf consumer video could be. So it's also a little foggy, a little dreamlike. Um, but, the big the big get for me was finding a 96 video where you can hear like the the people mover narration from the skyway and then you go behind the castle cake and um yeah this might have been the height of culture this might have been the high point the castle cake might have been the high point. The castle cake in the skyway? The castle cake right in the skyway, looking at the castle cake, looking at 20,000 leagues.

Seeing the incomplete view of the castle cake from behind. See, yes. Now, they should have followed the Steve Jobs adage about, like, you've got to finish the back of the drawer, too. You've got to make the back, the drawer too you got to make the back the very back of the drawer look good too especially if uh you know thousands of people are gonna pass by the back of the drawer yeah but i i found a lot i mean clearly a lot of people took picture of like of the castle cake on the skyway and uh yeah i just loved it um i have a very me story about it oh do you tell go ahead

go ahead yeah i don't think i've told this on the uh the show once so um i i think this would have been like 99 like summer 99 like months before it closed um when i would go down with my family i mean i would go pretty hard like sun up sundown and uh eventually there would be a day where you would just hit a wall and we we were in fantasy land pretty early in the day and we were gonna take the skyway to tomorrow land and i i had just started drinking occasionally iced coffee and i was like i am i am not gonna make it through this i need a little boost and so got out of the line and ran to the restaurant right next to it to get an iced coffee but that took way too long so then i had to get back in line and weave through the line with a tiny cup of iced coffee. And you have to think, it's 1999, so theme park iced coffee is probably mostly corn syrup.

And they did not think about lids and straws, apparently, back then. So I am trying to find my family and guzzle this coffee before i get on the skyway because it doesn't have a lid and they were i got there just in time it was like the the the mark twain sunday uh decades before decades later i relived the experience trying to get a sunday before the golden horseshoe closed and uh i did it and i was probably just vibrating for hours after that well that's your yeah that's another one of your ethan hunt moments yes that's right your pursuit of treats and slow moving rides they should counteract each other but you find a way to make them work

that's right I turned the skyway into a thrill ride you were trying like when you were trying to finish a whole birthday sheet cake and get on living with the land in 10 minutes flat yeah no one wanted Eddie I offered running through Epcot eating

a sheet cake to get on living with the land before close and one-handed too because i i gotta hold the sheet cake with the other hand so yeah of course uh but you did it you made it i did it yeah uh i was about to i was about to home the mission impossible theme and it was about to come out as the james bond theme no no we went through this i know i know i can feel i'm confused skyfall fallout you know to mix up the metaphors more i mean i find all of this to be like indiana jones barely escaping but you know reached through to grab his hat for sure yeah you know what florida did have uh this the real set piece was the turnabout station

do tell uh oh well much like the skyliner has a uh point where there is a station you do not get off at uh it is just purely mechanical for the uh path to curve so um you you can watch in the videos you had to there was a certain point where it's not it wasn't a straight line to tomorrowland it had to uh curve slightly at one point so they had to readjust the cable uh so so you were when you were a child you were excited about the the turnabout station well it was just sort of like why look at this weird thing look look how strange there's a cast member waving at you hey but you can't get off here don't try to get up well they wouldn't position a person there would usually be a person there yeah keeping an eye on stuff

i know what you mean because it's so functional and unfriendly but they make it friendly with a little walmart greeter person i guess i would have felt the same way this is so like coldly mechanical to be in a theme park right yeah um i don't i i really have very few memories of the disney world one other than just like I see pictures and I'm reminded of it because I think I went on it once when I was very little. Maybe my first trip and then never again. I think I went on it once. And even when I was older and we went, I did not want to go on it. So I have my memories of it from Disney World are just like one picture of me in it.

And I think I look a little distressed. I'll ask my mom if she can find this picture. Oh, you got it. Yes. As much scared childhood content as we can get. I hope it's as good. Yeah, I hope it's as good as I'm building it up. There's also a possibility I went on one version of this at Six Flags Great America.

Yes. Well, let me see if that's in my chart. I think it might be. Okay, no, California's Great America is a different thing. It might be closed, whatever you're talking about. I think whatever I'm talking about is closed. So, yeah, there's got to be something like that. I always liked seeing it, but I think it even stressed me out walking

under it because I was like, well, they're going to, they're going to drop. These are going to drop people. Like it's going to fall. Cause look at that cord. It's so thin. The cord is so thin. It's the cable is thin. It does.

It, yeah, it, it does feel weird. It still is odd looking at it in anything like this the mechanics shouldn't make sense but obviously there are not constant accidents on on skyways on these von roll attractions or on uh on on ski resort chairlifts well this one oh once in a while but mostly not this was one that dis Disney was the trendsetter on, because once they put this in Disneyland, following that, then they've installed like hundreds of these in amusement parks throughout the country.

And some of them, a lot of them gone. A lot of them gone because of, you know, at the time, it was a very affordable way to get the, oh, look, they have this at Disneyland and we have it, too. But there's a lot of concerns about safety, although not too many incidents at Disney. That said, these the other thing is these things can get a little expensive to operate. Yeah, I mean, just in my count of just the company Von Roll that built the Disney one, only that company alone, they there's they have built 30 that have since closed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And there's a list. I was reading a list of ones that they have that are still open. And that looks like I don't want to count again, but, you know, maybe like 12 to 14. So I'd so two thirds of these that were ever open across the world are now closed.

Wow. The one that I think of in this, it's a little different, obviously. It's much more shaped like a ski lift kind of thing. The Santa Cruz Boardwalk still has a cable thing but it's much more like a bench with a lap bar that goes up and down the boardwalk that looks like this santa cruz boardwalk which i've been told multiple times uh there's stuff worth talking about there's dark rides there i don't remember the details now but i we got to hit that at some point yeah i want to go there it's it's just um it's it's that distance where it's like ah a pain in the ass to get to in California.

A little bit. Anything over, like anything further than Vegas feels like a big commitment. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I was just gonna say, I do think probably, I think in the Skyliner type, the enclosed gondola, I is very uh in vogue right now i think that's sort of the new version of this and i think that like disney was looking at ways with disney world to increase um mobility and do it not with some expensive thing and i think that it seems like that's the the enclosed version of this now is maybe going to be something that other places look at. Universal, I think there's a rumor that they were talking about a version of this for Orlando. Jason, am I correct?

Well, yeah, I heard that rumor. There is some sort of unconventional or like forward thinking transit system. um uh i think the only thing with something like this like you hear them called like urban gondolas is to get from like the main universal campus to the epic universe plot of land you would have to send it over uh i4 sure so a little complicated once you start getting into uh crossing highways oh yeah and is the city really going to be fine with them like sending a gondola everywhere yeah i mean they they got all sorts of transits because they're building these high speed rails this virgin rails in um florida where like oh there's gonna be a stop in front of the convention center so if effectively by epic universe and then there's talk about a stop at disney world somewhere

and the airport so we'll we'll see what happens in orlando that's one thing with these is that i mean the skyway like the people mover is one of those or in the monorail is one of those waltz attempts at um you know displaying a potentially future forward thinking way of uh transporting especially in a uh in a city it's like a bat it was like a backdoor pilot for efficient travel in the actual world yeah the sort of an ulterior motive he had is trying to uh improve movement the morgan mindy of um transportation planning uh because i was looking at that uh that really nice tashin disneyland book yeah um to see if they said anything about the skyway and there was this one little this this place that i'd never heard of that they name check they basically say that um the skyway came out of walt's fascination with ski lifts and he was interested in ski lifts because he was associated with a place called the

sugar bowl ski resort in lake tahoe have you guys ever heard of this in disney lore no i feel like it comes up in relation to like mineral king yes which i i've never actually sat down and figured out what all that is about and his association with i don't know i i know these phrases i know squaw valley and some olympics thing and i i don't really know the deal with any of that i just i know i've heard mineral i know the mineral I mean, essentially a very nice ski resort, but also there'd be country bears. There'd be shows. So that's another one for our docket. That and Ford's Magic Skyway.

It sounds like heaven on earth. Oh my God. So yeah, secluded resort where you hang out with them. Was this in our fandom somewhere on a Facebook group or something? But I, I, I didn't realize that there was like a little mini country bear show at, at Fort wilderness in,

in Disney world. Does this sound familiar to you, Mike? That doesn't sound familiar. I don't, I didn't see that. I, I,

at least on our face, I'm not always checking our Facebook page, but sometimes, but I don't think I saw that. Or that was, was that in like defunct land world or something? I, God, I, at least on our face, I'm not always checking our Facebook page, but sometimes, but I don't think I saw that. Or that was, was that in like defunct land world or something? I, uh, God, I don't know. Um, yeah, I think there was some mini country. Oh no, wait, I'm sorry.

It was a show with, um, either the Buffalo or the moose. It was like, well, like there was one of those characters in the hotel that would do. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, again, don't let me,'t let me uh it was these things before i talk about them okay uh-huh melvin the moose it was the resort it was for breakfast it was like a breakfast show breakfast show like character it was a character breakfast but i think he was also just on the wall there yeah here's a picture of it oh it's a great photo that makes it look like it's

from 1960 but of course it was not um but here i'm sending that to you guys now this is wilderness lodge or the the maybe that's what i mean well this is fort wilderness oh okay oh yeah i do see that i mean it's interesting those early like uh lodging places all kind of had their own little cultural stuff the polynesians has hung along the longest um but like contemporary used to have like uh broadway cabaret ship like people would fly down and do like shows and stuff it's like a dinner theater kind of thing. Helen Reddy. Yeah.

Tommy Toon doing a show up there. And just all the chicken soaking in heavy cream you could want. Gelatin laced goose. Yes. Domestic wine that tastes like just awful it tastes like paint thinner uh gelatin goose lemon wine 70s food that's a whole episode too we should just like look at a lot of menus from disney places and like 71 that's not a bad episode in general yeah um gelatin everywhere yeah i don't

know why next to like cottage cheese do you feel like 70s buffets jello and cottage cheese everywhere yes cottage cheese for sure we uh we had a cottage cheese in the house like i think all the time as a child i almost bought it really well i almost bought the like the yogurt version where the other like a few weeks ago where you dump the um like fruit the fruit goo into it you know oh interesting we would have we would definitely mom would make us cottage cheese and yogurt oh that was what we would have it's funny you say that because obviously that, and I haven't said that phrase out loud in 20 years, but that is what, yeah, she would just give us a bowl of cottage cheese and yogurt.

You know, double dairy, that does remind me, I was not a peanut butter and jelly kid, but at my house we liked cream cheese and jelly sandwiches. Really? Yes, which is not, I mean, that was just fast track to being a chubby child i'll tell you what uh a lot less nutrients than peanut butter a real thing nothing helpful for you in that nothing a real fast pass a fast pass to chubbiness fast pass to being a chubby child isn't that looking back how because i don't think you were genetically so well

i don't know i don't know what you were like at three or four but like and now you're not now and so that so when you were it was because of your parents so if you were getting made fun of at school it's like not you're doing in the least yes well i was a kid who was like i'm not really big on fruit but i love potato chips like just a recipe for disaster i mean that's been me during the quarantine well that's true yeah but i mean i've i've i like i i've trimmed all of that down it's like look if you still want to go hog on cookies and ice cream which i do uh i cut back all the other stuff i i drink soda like so little like that was a big one i i stopped drinking soda one summer in high school and i dropped like 10 pounds immediately yeah i would have i mean i like what this would be a

lunch i would have a liver sausage sandwich a package of lays potato chips a bit like a carton of like two percent milk that was like kind of gross because like pieces of the carton would have fallen off a little bit into the milk so you'd have to use a straw hope and like hopefully not get pieces of the carton uh and then two Swiss cake rolls, like a package of two Swiss cake rolls. Yeah. Swiss cake. I mean, that was dessert after your healthy lunch of white bread sandwiches and chips. White bread, liver sausage, chips, disgusting milk, and then a chocolate dessert.

We, I, I imagine, I think all of us every child between you know probably before let's let's go but every child between like 1972 and 2003 I think just reeked just ever just like gassy a shittiest like every elementary every auditorium or cafeteria must have just been like, gah. There was a kid who sat next to me and I think third grade and he smelled like bologna all day. And I don't know if that was just because he would have his lunch. That was, I think, bologna every day. But I was like, it's just the bologna smell so strong. And I would eat bologna too that

would be in the rotation as well a bologna sandwich a liver sausage sandwich peanut butter and then once in a while a turkey sandwich but this kid was bologna smell 24 7 i towards the end of high school i think everyone started carrying bottled water more or we get like opt for the bottle water at lunch instead of milk and i just remember going like well the a lot more homework and getting into college is depressing but um i think i was dehydrated from k to 10th grade i think i would just end the day totally logie and dehydrated from not having besides a sip of water at water fountains yes and the water fountains were all gross as shit like just like lukewarm and like you smelled the metal when you were getting up close to take a drink and like yeah you would barely have any

of it you might have a little after gym yeah but you weren't having like a glass of water you were just probably having like a lunch a lunch milk and that was it the years you just described jason this is a breakthrough because all those years i feel the same way and i had just a beet red face all of that time so much so that i thought i genuinely had the condition rosacea which which I don't have today. And I think it might be because I drink water. Yes. Water is gross for the older generation.

I think still a section of it. It's funny. I know this is correct. I know I'm doing the right thing, but having a very young baby right now, I'm like, you don't give them water. So it doesn't seem right

they need water right but i mean i know that's not how babies work it's just weird yeah yeah uh you know it's all it's funny how like this isn't like 300 years we're talking like 300 years ago it was uh what 10 20 not long ago at all well it just goes to show that stuff can be uh you know stuff that you think is true now can be overturned very quickly which is why i'm not vaccinating this child whatsoever i don't know all right well i don't know this is a time to go around bragging about well when we've watched everyone freak out about the sham disease this locked us prisoned us in our homes for so long why would I vaccinate this boy huh well we're gonna do

an episode where we explore that on the patreon and we'll get to that later well the sky the sky boys also get into blue skying a better world where we have more freedoms sky

did you say sky did you say sky boys oh wait freedoms. And less chemtrails. Did you say sky boys? Oh, wait. What are we talking about? Sky guys. Your son is the sky boy. Hey, look at the sky boy over there. That's how he gets to Neverland. No, no, no.

He cannot fly. I will teach him the song you cannot fly, you cannot fly, you cannot fly. I will teach him the song. You cannot fly. You cannot fly. You cannot fly. No pan. Okay, wait, but let's go back into the sky. Let's go into the sky into a ski lift, a ski lift at the Sugar Bowl Ski Resort in Lake Tahoe.

This is one of the strangest avenues of Walt's dry fact I've ever heard, but I found it to be such a strange rabbit hole. So Walt, in the 30s, took a trip to Yosemite. There was a guy who was a ski instructor who was just a world class, like one of the great skiers in the world, apparently, named Hannes Schroll. And he was not only a major skier he was a major yodeler and he would do his jumps while yodeling just so you'd be do you'd be doing your ski thing and then you just hear this yodel booming across the mountain and it's this guy he's kind of crazy sort of a kook uh you know an austrian guy and proud of it and uh you know just kind of like spirited weird guy uh who who uh you know helped since you know helped Walt get more interested in skiing um and they met really got along stayed in contact

uh and then this guy wanted to build a ski resort started building a ski resort in Lake Tahoe and as he did so uh Austria got annexed by Hitler and all his money got locked up. So he didn't have the money he needed to finish his resort. He reached out to people he knew with a lot of money, such as Walt Bisney, who paid him the vast fortune of twenty five hundred dollars, which apparently went a long way in the 30s and helped this guy finish this resort uh so indebted was this person um to walt that he renamed what used to be one of the two mountains that were part of this property it was called hemlock peak and he renamed it mount disney whoa i had i had no idea about this in lake tahoe in our state there is a mount disney wow i didn't know either yeah never heard any of this um clearly now something we have to do before the podcast is over is go ski mount disney

yeah really um but so uh one of the strange things about it was some of the walt funds went to um building a chairlift which was the uh opened in 1939 and was the first chairlift installed in California. It was up and down Mount Disney. And when Walt went to check it out, he was so fascinated by it and the mechanics of it and was like we should have something like this in the parks. Wow. That's interesting.

Yeah. All the weird interesting running with this guy, but it doesn't quite stop there because there's one more little thing. right around this time because of his interaction with Hannes Walt is Walt loves skiing and he starts to make a cartoon about skiing a cartoon starring

Goofy the art of skiing which was the first of the Goofy instructional cartoons and he thought a cool thing for this might be to have a bunch of yodeling strung through the short so he contacted hannes and said would you like to do some yodeling it just is kind of the score for this thing and he did and if you listen if you watch that

uh that short which is on disney plus it's this this guy the guy who built this chairlift and established mad disney uh and not only that while he was in the vo booth because this guy did all these crazy yells and yodels while he skied he said you want to try some other stuff and he did and he made the sound yahoo the goofy holler um was the goofy holler was not done by the voice of goofy pinto colva was done done by this yodeler skier guy. Wow. And that sound is in all of the Goofy cartoons, and now it's like something you expect out of Goofy,

but it was done by this guy, and it was done for $0. Walt tricked him. Oh, Walt. Yeah. The iconic Goofy sound was done for free wow yes that's anytime goofy gets hurt you want to hear that yell yes and now and the current voice bill farmer learned how to do it he like that's like part of the repertoire and he can demonstrate how to do it and he talks in interviews about how it was this guy who uh who cracked it wow that's interesting all

of that all of walt's like interests it all spreads out through the whole history of the company like he loves like nothing is random it all like fine he found a way to incorporate all of his interests somewhere right although wed people would probably just white knuckling it when walt would go on vacation they're like oh god what's he gonna come back with now what's what sort of whirly bird gizmo is he gonna be like build me one of these five stories tall yeah that is true i think that isn't that what he was the matterhorn or something where he was like build me one of these boys the matterhorn the petrified tree well by that he was just like buy it send it to disneyland just anywhere he would go yeah yeah what would be

the biggest problem to figure out i mean if i guess if he you know anything dangerous if he saw like sword swallowers or something um yeah figure out how to figure out how to uh inject swords into the guests' mouths. Yeah. Or like he went to the Grand Canyon and was like, dig a big hole in Disneyland. Get rid of it all. I want a big hole.

I want a big hole. Yeah, it's probably less dangerous, more just frustrating stuff. Like, I want the streets of New Orleans in this park. And it's like, oh, man. Like, what? All right. Just make them little, fine little fine yeah make them smaller but he said they had to be like full size and they have to be the exact same size

as the streets he went yeah but just build it this way and maybe he won't notice he'll forget about it we have to build northern lights here and they can't be done with lamps walt says we need to harness real sky power disneyland needs its own sun we don't even know what he means by that he wants his own functioning sun and and he wants the he wants to control the tides somehow does it have have to block the regular sun, or can it work in conjunction with it? No, he wants two suns, the real one and a fake one. Does it go opposite the regular sun? He didn't say. He didn't say.

He just said he wanted one and left. He's afraid we're going to start doing it, and then it'll be the opposite of what he wants and he asked if i was wanting to join a union and i said of course no and then he left good and then he left he just walked out and i don't even know anything about mechanics i'm his paper boy i gotta build a i gotta build an artificial heat source in the sky he did though that paper boy and that paper boy's name was uh bob ger that's right and you overlook that that yeah disneyland's second son for the first four months of operation yeah which crashed to the ground and crushed the original castle had to be rebuilt from scratch. Right. Yeah.

That's a little known fact about it. Don't believe any of those weird Facebook posts you see about the grandchildren of the people who were crushed. They're all liars and truthers. Yeah. Never happened. No one died. What are they talking about? Yeah.

That's, yeah, don't. Facebook is a cesspool. Obviously, yes. For that reason and that reason alone, Disneyland rumors. I don't know anything else about anything else. I don't know what's going on. I don't know about Facebook, but I know the Disneyland rumors and memes are out of control. Except our Facebook group, which is nice and good, and you should join it.

It is, and go join it, and they'll save me a plug for the end of the show. Yeah, save you a plug. Speaking of danger at Disneyland, this attraction ultimately closed in 1994, and it's a little muddy why it did um because and i you'll definitely listen to people who say well somebody fell out of the thing into a tree and so they had to close it you will maybe even hear people say somebody fell out of it and died and thus they had to close it and i imagine we all looked into this a little bit yeah and found uh what hopefully is the the behind it, which is certainly that nobody died. Okay, well, someone did die. What?

Not at Disney. I'm sorry, well, not the one. It's in 94 nobody died. Not in 94. No, not in 94. It was far more boring. No. No, sorry.

The reason they closed it, It seemed like money stuff. It seemed like they got on a trend, especially, well, I guess more in Florida, where when a new thing would open, they would close an old thing. Yeah, which in this case, in Disneyland, it seemed to be an Indiana Jones adventure-based closure. And it's not like it was one-to-one.

It's not like all the Skyway employees went over to Indiana Jones. It's just kind of, well, if we're going to increase costs over here, we have to cut costs somewhere else. Right. They were talking about maybe even changing it and increasing the amount of people that could be on one car. Oh, really? They were going to see if they could do six.

Wow. But I think ultimately they just were like uh low hourly capacity and expensive to run okay factors sure and it does i mean like the incident you're talking about somebody slipped out of it and some people like they think it was on purpose well if maybe the the falling wasn't on purpose unless he was just like fishing for a lawsuit or something but when the when the lawsuit happened it seemed like an accident it seemed like maybe he leaned against the door and fell out of the door but what counteracts that is that the handle on the outside is such that you'd have to reach around and grab it and unlock it and fiddle with it before it to open at all. Like you could not open it from the inside. And then I think there was actually video from a guest of him fiddling with the handle, too.

So for sure, he reached outside and did it to himself. Right. So for sure, he reached outside and did it to himself. Right. So I would assume like all these factors maybe add up to like, you know, maybe the ride isn't like so secure. Yeah. Like, and in addition to what, it's low capacity and money and blah, blah, blah. They're like, yeah, maybe not worth it. Not worth it.

I found a good little quote, though. I was just talking about Austria. Now here's a quote from a German tourist, Birgit Klein. I forget what article I found this in, but maybe in the L.A. Times about the accident. Just somebody random at Disneyland they were talking to, like, are you upset about this accident? Does it make you worried about going on any of these rides? And she said, well, while the man's fall was unfortunate uh it did well the actually sorry the the article says while the man's fall was unfortunate it would not have dampened her frolicking nothing too terrible can happen on such a wonderful day said klein

slurping on a strawberry ice cream in the parking lot. What a delightful... I imagine she skipped away. Gladden lays it later, Hosen. Nothing can dampen my frolic... What was it? Dampen my frolicking? I can't honestly say this was her quote. I wish it was. Nothing could dampen my frolicking.

Jason, if you could say that from now on. Oh, nothing will dampen my frolicking yeah if that could just be sort of in your repertoire of of phrases yeah got it we'll do all right great lodged in there surprised us with it when we at least expect uh what what i came across for the closure um it seems like you know a lot of people talk about the ADA issues, but because it was so old, it was grandfathered in. So that was like not the front at the front of their minds. The other excuse was stress fractures inside the Matterhorn supports and metal fatigue at various spots. Well, people kind of sounds like bullshit.

Well, but also, though, I've read that the Matterhorn is kind of falling apart. I mean, there was a piece not long ago that just fell down. Yes. On the track. So from what I've read and understand, and it's probably from some message board, mystown.net, I don't remember which one it is,

that I think the Matterhorn will have to be torn down within the next, like, 25 years. Whoa. Like, it's decaying, so they'll have to rebuild it or put something else there. Oh, my God. So I don't know if this is 100% true, but it does seem like the building might be falling apart anyway,

so there might be some truth to that as well. Oh, that's pretty crazy. Do you think they can take it down in an implosion kind of way? Because I love implosions. When they blow up Vegas casinos to build new ones. But maybe it's not. Maybe it's built in such too weird of a way to do that i wonder yeah i don't know if that's the way to do it i feel like stuff is pretty close to it

that you might not want to chance something flying and hitting something else but maybe a tiny implosion i don't know i don't know i don't know if there's a size you have to have for an implosion but it would be i also think like with building sometimes i i don't know. I don't know. I don't know if there's a size you have to have for an implosion. But it would be I also think like with buildings sometimes I don't know, like a building is, you know, structured in a certain way and maybe like a symmetrical way that leads to a very organized implosion. Oh, that's a good point. Yes, because all the floors are identical and there's probably a center and elevator banks. But the Matterhorn's very chaotic and fake natural. years i think it'll have to be like taken apart in a much slower manner though that would be fun it would be fun if they sort of made uh like a phantasmic show or uh one of the firework performances uh culminate in the matterhorn blowing up yeah yes yes an ap event to go watch the matterhorn blow up oh and here and here. Oh, and then like the sword and the stone,

you have a bunch of kids go up to a TNT box and maybe they don't... It doesn't push down for every kid, but then one special kid pushes down on the TNT box and it blows up the Matterhorn. Hell yes.

Like those Knott's Tnt boxes over at their uh their i can't think of the name of it the rapids ride the river rap yeah calico calico river rapids and if they i don't want to endanger anybody but if they could do one last tinkerbell flight from there within like five minutes of the blow up so it's so it seems like Tinkerbell escaping oh it should be like Mission Impossible the first one when Ethan is puts the gum on the

helicopter and blows it up and he like shoots off of the helicopter from the explosion and lands on the train yeah it should be like something like that yeah and I almost don't you know look i as i've established i'm not the biggest peter pan fan so i don't even know if i want to give such a cool moment to tinkerbell i kind of want this to be mickey mouse i wanted

to be the man himself red light green light so okay so mickey is gonna fly on a wire now does he have a jet pack does he have like a jet pack or something because you have to tinkerbell can fly so that's why she flies space mickey spaceman mickey the silver suit with the fishbowl yes yes bring that back absolutely okay that's good i mean i guess he could you know what i guess he also he could still be space suit mickey i guess he could just scale the matterhorn and then the wire is him flying away as it blows up yeah this mickey is just becoming dr oppenheimer i've become death destroyer of worlds just watching it from a distance i built this i can destroy it i uh i create life i take it away i would be i'm a little concerned because i watched a document a short documentary on youtube recently about one of the last standing casinos invade like old old

casinos that they blew up maybe three years ago and um it had multiple towers and the older tower they found asbestos in and they're like okay we can't blow that one up tonight we gotta just do the one and then we'll do that one another time unfortunately the tower they did blew up hit the asbestos tower and released asbestos into the air oh no do you know what chateau this was oh god i forget let me i'll try and find it oh man that's uh i think we've talked about this can we do an episode about vegas implosions this has been an obsession of mine for so long and the fact that they as i'm sure i've said before one of of the great, you know, Jason, you said the peak of culture was seeing the castle cake from the skyway. Yeah.

Well, right around the same time was when the Treasure Island Pirates blew up whatever hotel was on what is now the Bellagio spot, which we discovered also in a made for tv movie starring steve winn where he acts and then another one of these implosions is in mars attacks i mean like when they use the implosions in other things and the news would do a full like two hours on it just the the greatest television ever ever emmys every year should still be given to 90s Vegas implosion coverage yeah I mean I have not actually had that as much of an active thought but I know exactly what you're saying

but I haven't like it wasn't in the forefront of my mind but as you're saying that yes I do have a lot of affection for all this these implosions and we're obviously all so terrified by buildings exploding i mean what could be scarier than that so to do it on purpose to wrangle it ourselves and have no one get hurt except for when asbestos was released into the vegas air it was the riviera it was

the riviera a few years ago wait what this wasn't in the 90 this is the recent yeah the blow up of the riviera that was just there i was i was in that not long ago i i think it was 2016 20 this was uploaded in like 2016 it's a local news like documentary wow oh my god that's so stupid i was was sure these were heathens who didn't know better in 83, not it just happened. I didn't know when I went to Vegas. I was like, what is that white building? And I'm like, the Tropicana is still standing? Like that I feel like is one of the handful of ones left.

And there's a Tropicana in Atlantic City, but a totally different like logo and aesthetic. So I they might be owned by the same people, but you never know. Feels feels very old. Yeah. You feel the 60s in that building. Yeah. Wow. OK, well, that's future one.

I'd love to do that. Were we on some other point? We're talking about taking it down. Oh wait, sorry, Jason, somebody not to dwell on it, but somebody died in the, in a Disney world. Yeah. So, I mean the Disney world closure happened in 99, like five years after Disneyland. And it seemed like a pretty similar sort of, um, you know,

we're building new stuff, so're gonna close old stuff and there was a it was like a cast member either fell or was knocked off um the like loading area uh in uh fantasy land i believe um so that did happen but otherwise these operated for decades, seemingly without incident. It seemed like it was a workplace death in Florida, but it was really just kind of like the, in a string of stuff being torn down at the Magic Kingdom in Florida

between Mr. Toad's and 20,000 Leagues and the Skyway. And most of it just cost cutting like less concerns about safety uh more concerns about cost cutting and they're like well we're closing this uh but we're gonna open something real soon something new and uh yesterland noted that however no new attraction came to the Magic Kingdom Park until May 23rd 2001 when the magic carpets of Aladdin opened in Adventureland which is

such a fuck you can you can we how can we describe the magic carpets well it's like it's like Dumbo but magic carpets like worse Dumbo yeah yeah just like tossed in there barely themed in a bad way of barely themed not like the skyway or dumbo i mean dumbo is like like i guess well dumbo is a little bit a little bit of design work

there yeah yeah we went on Dumbo not long ago and I was like I'm gonna fall out of this I am sliding to the side I am gonna fall out of Dumbo oh yeah you do lean yeah and if you go all the way down it feels like you could just tumble real easy

and especially if you're an adult man like I'm tall. My center of gravity is a little higher here. Yeah, we just feel like an SUV tipping over. Yeah, right. I'm like an SUV. I can tip over at any moment. I'm so tall.

Yeah, well, in terms of accidents, which were, you know, there were there weren't a lot until the 90s. It was more just hijinks, much like Blossom. I think there was a lot of spitting. I think I said in the Matterhorn episode, my my now father in law, when he was younger, threw a smoke bomb into the Matterhorn, which is a thing that would put him in jail for years for terrorism yes yeah he'd be on the list in this case he just did it without incident and was really really satisfied with himself but then got to the station and there was just a very stern security card waiting for him knew exactly who it was um in the book more mouse tales by david koenig i saw a story about um what was that i think a guy i think i think a a kid spit down from the matterhorn or you know uh just from the skyway somewhere uh landed on a pretty like buff guy who then just ran to the station and just waited right there

for the kid to show up and as soon as he walked out like wood just went in to beat him up security had to break it up luckily uh this kid did not get uh did not get brutalized um gosh it's so funny because like i was so scared to do anything like that in real life let alone in like the happiest place on earth i couldn't even imagine yeah yes truly an extra level of fear i would have of like and then the people at the park theme park will be mad at me yeah because you can't end up on some list that doesn't let you come into disneyland no it felt like yeah you were in like heaven and God was watching you. If you were in Disneyland, like you're right here. How is he? Mickey will see me.

My God, Mickey. I can make life. I can take it away. You just have to go to Disney confession. Oh, yeah. Which I guess is this podcast. That's what we're doing here. Confessing our sins.

One of the more notable rabble-rousers in Skyway history was future President Barack Obama. Have we talked about this before? I feel like we have, but does this ring a bell the uh the obama skyway incident no no have we not oh my god i don't think so uh so he did some event in anaheim a couple of years ago and he said he's been here before because he went to disneyland in the 80s when he was attending Occidental College in Eagle Rock, California. So which so what the story was that he I mean, it was I think it was just that he smoked. He just smoked on the skyway. That was possible.

And, you know, what you just described, Mike, your fear story did not come true. He just like got back to the station, much like my father in law. There was a guy waiting for him. Said, sir, come with me. He and his group were escorted straight out of the park. But they did on the way out say, come back anytime you want. Oh, I do. Yes.

OK. Yeah. Yeah. This does seem familiar. I forget if we if we've talked about it before. But one thing that I like a lot about this is that he declares, you know, and I guess what is sort of like an attempt and a posture to be cool, but one that works on me because of what he's talking about. He makes sure to say he was not in disneyland uh for rides or kid stuff he was there to see cool in the gang which i i think that's very cool and i started thinking about this like i wonder could you place the exact date that this was when he saw cool in the gang and i attempted

to do this uh he went to occidental from 79 to 81. And I looked up Cool in the Gang played Disneyland a number of times in that era, but it was mostly grad nights. And to go to grad night, you have to be a high schooler. And if Obama was in college, the only way he would have gotten into that is if he was dating a high schooler. So I became concerned that Obama was dating a high schooler at the time. Luckily, I overturned this theory. I don't want to put that out there. I'm not accusing him of that because I found out about another event called Saturday Nights in the Park. There was a thing called Saturday Night Pop on June 6th, 1981, with

performances from Kool and the Gang and one of my favorite bands of that era, Shalimar. We talk a lot about if you could time travel and go to disneyland at a particular time this is my version of that i want to go to june 6 1981 go to disneyland see cool in the gang and shalimar uh smoke a cigarette with barack obama and get kicked out of the park yeah wow i don't know i mean they probably had no smoking signs at the skyway stations but in the 1980s especially the early 80s you were still smoking at offices cars

restaurants everyone was smoking everywhere you know it doesn't seem that yeah it could be for i don't know how much of a troublemaker he's trying to be now he doesn't clarify what he was smoking i mean maybe he might have he might i think there might be a laugh from the audience and he's like cigarettes talking about cigarettes um so i i don't think it was a joint um but anyway still um as cool as all that is um you know it still was him breaking a rule. It was showing that he was like a little bit of an anarchist at the time. And I don't know. I'm a little offended by this incident. You know what?

I'm going to start referring to it as Obamagate. You know what? You're right. I don't like him breaking the rules at Disneyland. So I will also use that phrase that I've never heard before to refer to this incident. Yeah, yeah, and I think we should tweet about it, get the word out, and not all because it was bad. I want to spread the word about Shalimar because I think Shalimar is cool.

So in order to do that, I'm going to start tweeting a lot about hashtag Obamageek. I think that's good. I think we should encourage the listeners also to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So instead of our regular plugs, don't don't I mean, go to Twitter, but then just, you know, whatever you want to tweet, but also hashtag Obamagate. Yeah, I support that. Great. We got a good plan going forward. Yeah, great plan. Anyways, what else we got? Any any further thoughts about uh you know i this is a very simple simplistic thought that i have and it's really the last thing i'll say about this

uh the skyway that's the last thought i have about the skyway is that there is something there's a fun game that i always especially as a kid would play and we've talked maybe a little bit about it with like the snow white ride is being excited about which color car you're gonna get or which color bucket there would be a there that would be a big deal when you were a kid because you'd sort of it was i guess it was like a little bit like gambling or like you would be like i'm betting on red come on red uh and then if you got it it it, it was an extra big celebration, and then you would get to go on the ride. In the same way on Snow White where you're like, come on, dopey car.

Come on, I want the dopey. I would always want dopey. That's what I wanted. But there was something fun about wishing for a color car or bucket. I don't even know why it's so fun but it was especially as a kid it was and to jason's point earlier while there is not an immersive theme to the cars themselves those bright vibrant candy colors were sort of plenty and for for that reason to the anticipation of which one am I going to get. I'm trying to think what I would have wanted.

Did you guys have color preferences? Oh, blue would be number one with a bullet, you know. Always blue. I was always a purple kid, but did they have a purple bucket? I don't know. I'm not sure that they did. I didn't see that in any of the photos there's one hanging above the entrance at a store at disney springs i think

that's blue um colors yeah that's a good call i think yeah i think if if i'm waiting for the sky away i want i want that candy apple red that was was such a, such a bold, bright red. And I think that felt the same way about Autopia cars. Fair. Yeah, I got that. But it's, I mean,

I guess, I mean the Skyliner, we were still like, oh, it's cool. I want this like, cause they have characters on those two, which even though like you're the characters kind of block you from seeing

things, you're still hoping you get like the character you like. Like there's still an element. I think I may be adjusted to what i really want is characters i like in the car in front of me because i get to look at them for the whole sure good point that's a good point more important yeah you get to look at rocket raccoon at timothy green it's a jeff goldblum star of the val artis found his friend dumpy chumpers that's not his name dumpy chumpers dumpy chumpers i'm not that far off yeah i exaggerated for the sake of humor okay

but i sent you guys the name of josh gatton art is what is the name of yeah we have to find it god it's it's up it's close i want you to play dumpy chumpers in a some tv show please write a show about dumpy chumpers i think he should be a like a boy detective oh yeah that'd be great okay so here i'm on imdb josh gad plays uh mulch diggums i really was not that far off i like i like dumpy jumpers better much more pleasant name i like dumpy chump yeah i like dumpy chumpers a lot better demand that before this is released the character's name is changed to dumpy jumpers get on twitter and demand it hashtag obamagate this is part of obamagate now we're looping it i mean it's nebulous what obamagate is so there's plenty of room in the tent put it in there uh the oh you know i have another one more thought i. I am a little sad that they got rid of the Skyway station at Disneyland.

Oh, this is good. Yes, we should talk about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it stayed there for a long time. Even though the ride closed in 94, it was just a little Swiss chalet that was nothing for decades. Right. And it was still like it was tucked back. You could see it if you were on your way to Casey Jr.

And I liked it there because I didn't even realize it was still there for the first so many years I was going to Disneyland. And then when I realized it was there, it kind of felt like a little hidden secret, a little bit of Disneyland history and lore. And then when they finally removed the rest of it, I kind of felt like that was a bummer. Yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah a little sad and you and you know what was weird is that they uh when they sort of did the implosion of the area that became galaxy's edge they didn't take the skyway building down at first and that point of view that we would always go get from the Mickey and Friends parking garage. I think from there, if you looked really closely, you could see right on the border, like sudden because all that space was cleared. Now you could see from the parking garage to the Skyway building. building um and it sat there just as a little microscopic little shack for a long time uh until they filed a permit to destroy it uh on uh where they have the date in front of me a date that

will live in infamy may 11th 2016 we all saw the worst thing to happen in the year 2016 yeah yeah it was a dark year i don't know i couldn't remember why but i mean yeah that seems that rings a bell um cost them 67 000 just to to blow that up and once again i don't think it was a cool um implosion no mickey stunts no nothing no and yeah those the stations were real the fantasyland stations were really beautiful and the tomorrowland ones were like kind of fit in the aesthetic perfectly just these kind of blocky metal cubes almost which all of which are sort of nothing now if you go to disneyland you know there's kind of those uh i mean really what's there now are the secret better Tomorrowland bathrooms than the sort of overcrowded, stressful ones over by Space Mountain. But if you go there, it's just kind of these high walls because it's where the Skyway used to be.

And now it's sort of nothing. In Japan, there was a pretty good plus up where the Fantasyland station turned into poo's honey hunt yeah best rides over there that's a good trade um the and the tomorrowland station became a candy store all right i like that pretty tomorrowland skyway notable uh tokyo skyway notable for uh kind of being more enclosed with plexiglass because the they have much more chaotic seasons over there so yeah in case there was a rainstorm or whatever yeah uh more like the skyliner like the eventual skyliner right um and how nice that there is the skyliner now that keeps up this tradition and maybe does it in a safer and to go back to the beginning, more wheelchair accessible way. I think we actually missed that during this that I think you could only do the Skyway via stairs.

So there was really no way for handicapped guests to access it. But the Skyliner all takes off from the ground and lifts up. So it's not a problem with those. So everybody can enjoy it and this is this pretty big spacious um uh handicapped cars in the in the skyliner you saw a lot of those take off just in the couple days we were using it yeah it is fun to see like an old thing come back and it's a better version of it and it's a cooler thing and now it's like being used in less of just a ride capacity and more of a practical capacity so yeah it's like

i'm trying to think of like it's like as if they were to like build a better version of the rocket rods but it was for transporting you to hotels i mean the the rocket rods are so we're so weird and clunky and problematic and now i now i feel like it's something like garcetti would green light we're doing public transit but it's rocket it's elon or elon musk would be saying we're building yeah the tunnels yes actually he kind of did invent the rocket rods yes he's like well the tunnels are i've invented this these things rods and they are rockets. And we should open up the economy immediately and build these rocket rods underneath Los Angeles. And he'd start building them and then tweet three years later,

rocket rods are overrated. Our stock price should go down probably LOL. Yes. I lost $50,000. Is that everyone but him loses money? Yeah. lol yes i lost fifty thousand dollars loses money yeah honestly i think we should tweet at elon to see if he will bring the rocket rods back i think yeah we present them like blueprints present them like we invented this and see if we can trick them you know what if if we can get a rocket

rod on an episode of rick and morty i think the chances of elon seeing it will go sky high so i think that might be the best way we can do it uh okay so we'll slip that in there look that in somebody get it just somebody get a job animating there oh okay the design jason that's you oh i love animation and software um i i had one closing thing which was um you know that obviously these these all closed a long time ago and um you always hear when they're closing attractions you know every attraction is someone's favorite you know uh but you always hear them say like the walt quote about like you know disneyland will never be finished it'll always be changing and update that that sort of thing um when they were closing this um i think the spokesman was a little more um harsh there is an in the la times in 1994

they quoted a spokesman named scott swan uh and he said you know demand for the ride has fallen and then he said quote it's an evolving change you look at one attraction and say it's time has come so i don't know why that's made me laugh so much it just seemed like the inverse of the optimism of the walt disney quote and then just this guy who's like you're on the chopping block buddy you're out of here it's like he had to put a horse down or something yeah like yes attractions are open and then there is attractions hospice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that would not fly.

Robert Iger would have his ass if he said that. Yeah. Really, I mean, that quote is so grim that it sort of sounds like God Mickey. Yes, it does well sometimes sometimes in the cycle of a ride you gotta take it into the field and shoot it in the head i'm tired of these people i'm tired of being wrapped up in their problems just pointing ominously at the skyway your time has come i have said so i have spoken when you need to put a ride out of its misery i use the gun but of course dr manhattan mickey implies the existence of a Rorschach Donald. So,

he's really going to be the truth, get the truth out there. Yeah. I am sure that, I think if I, do you think there is already a fan art of Rorschach Donald? I feel like.

We'll give it a look while we're wrapping up here. Yeah. Rorschach Donald. Duck. Let's see here. And if so, how big of a seat did they give them? Depends on where the source of the fan art.

If it's on DeviantArt, then the seat is huge. The seat is huge. The ink blot is not on his face. His face is normal. The ink blot is on his seat. All right. All right. All right. I have, it's not fan art, but it is a Pinterest picture of Donald in a party hat. And it said, all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, save us.

And I'll look down and whisper, no. Oh my God. So there is. Pretty close. Whoa. Whoa. Pretty close. Here, I'll send it.

I'll send it to you. You know, we attempt our bad versions of these character voices. I don't think anyone does a lot of Donald. Does anyone want to be so brave as to attempt it? I can do the noise, but I really can't talk like him. Like, I can go... But I can't... Here, let's just all audition it really fast now that it's in front of us.

Mike, since you just did that sound, go Okay, wait, hold on, I have to bring it up again This is going to be interesting Whoa, it's impossible to do it I'm not sure I can either It's like, really, I can't even Like, it doesn't work My mouth doesn't work when I'm trying to do it

Don't die don't die over there you try it let me gear up again we're not with you we can't give you a heimlich no no i don't want to choke on my tongue here it's like it's like jason stitch um yeah yeah it's like hard to talk no that's like a gremlin i I'll go with it, though. All the whores. All the whores and politicians. All the whores and politicians will look up and shout, save us. And I'll look down and whisper, no. Awful.

It's F. All right, wait. That doesn't work at all. That's just gibberish. I'm trying to get it in that, because that's how he talks, with that noise. Yeah, you're putting a lot of mustard on it. We're getting so much mustard, we're not getting the words.

Now I just sound like the alien in Independence Day talking to Brent Spiner telepathically. I can't do it. It's impossible. Can't do it. This episode is going to come out and it's going to be listed as 11 hours long. And the listener will be horrified to discover the last nine are blank because we all suffocated. Recordings kept going.

Choked out our own spit. Jason, are you brave enough? Yeah, I'll try. No, it's too... It's Stitch. It's getting too DeVito. It's getting too Penguin. I'm worried about you doing this actually I'm worried about Jason

there's no line like when I've done impressions in the past I latch on to a few words or a sentence or even goofy you can go like there's no like Donald like are the horrors in politicians it starts to for me there's no like donald like dang it ah the horrors and politicians

it starts to for me it starts to get too high and then you just slide right into stitch my classic stitch i think that's what you gotta go i think you gotta just pick it and stick with it yeah i'm gonna try hold on let me try to do it i'm i i'm like there's phlegm shooting

up this is not it's look it's not that important it's not the best time to spread are you saying the words in your mind are you hearing the words in there cause it's just not you pick the gurgles or you don't get the words. I will say this. You guys are not, I am talking and I'm recording remotely also on a Zoom.

And I am a little bit far from the computer. So we will see once we go back on the Zoom. Because I do think you could hear a little enunciation on the Zoom if you're listening. So we will see when we go back and hear this. If you could make out any single word in that sentence yeah yeah um i think in the in in this case just so we don't die and i'll hear i'm gonna i'm gonna try to do because mine was murdering me less but was much worse than what you were doing mike uh so let me in my terrible voice like you've you survived podcast the ride this is not what is this voice you survived podcast the ride from

go to our twitter uh facebook and instagram hashtag obamagate who who is that character ah um i'm not sure what does that sound like um one of the guys who works at mib headquarters oh yeah one of the aliens yeah yeah actually it sounds a little bit like on the simpsons um when there's the film festival and george c scott is in a remake of hans molman's movie oh my groin oh my groin so i guess in that this is this is donald duck saying uh if you want more bonus content uh there's three bonus episodes of content patreon.com slash podcast to ride. It's like Baby Herman, too. Awful. Awful ending. I'm having a great time.

I had fun. Maybe it's not awful to listen to, but I feel bad about myself. I'm coughing. Oh, no. No, no, no. And let's be clear, it's because we've been fucking with our own throats and it's not because of covet 19 everybody's safe for the moment you stay safe as well listeners uh any other thoughts uh no my brain is just i'm i'm really you know what honestly i'm waiting to

get off this so i can try it privately. Try the voice privately. Great. Okay. Well, yeah. I mean, look, feel free to add an addendum if you get it better. But for now, let's all get a glass of water, clear our throats, clear our minds. Thanks for listening to Podcast The Ride. And we'll see you on the third gate soon with the Sky Guys. Yeah.

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