Podcast: The Ride - The Sword in the Stone

Episode Date: September 6, 2019

Pull the sword from yonder stone and become the (temporary) ruler of the realm! Plus, thrilling union talk. And jaw-dropping Foot Golf scores! Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: http://foreverdogpodcasts.com/plus Disney Afternoon Avenue episode up at The Second Gate: patreon.com/podcasttheride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

FOREVER! DOG! and Hawk lunches. Who so listeneth of this podcast shallst be mildly amused. This is Sword in the Stone on Podcast The Ride, the show where every episode a kooky old man turns the three hosts into fish in order to teach us a lesson. I'm Jason Sheridan, joined as always by Mike Carlson. Hi, Mike Carlson. That doesn'tlson that doesn't happen that doesn't happen every episode what do you mean he teaches us to use our heads and we learn about being clever as opposed to using uh you know it hasn't happened once force of will anyway scott garner's

here to weigh in on this issue for the possibility that the wizard also wipes our our memories but leaves us with the lesson yeah but he does it every time thank you i would say a kooky old man talks about treats that he's recently enjoyed well that would be jason sheridan well all right that's that happens every episode that's what i know um he's merlin he's merlin's age at the the height of wart yeah yes yeah yeah you're a combo of both light of archimedes geez um well here look at this clearly we're playing in our favorite mythology the number one disney property that we've been waiting to get to for so long uh you know before we uh unsheath the the sword of the topic of today yeah yeah uh just just a quick thing i wanted to mention because i wanted you guys and the

listeners to know about some very good theme park related news in the gerdner household recently uh just last week uh aaron was the winner of an 18 month free pass to universal studios whoa yeah 18 months sizable i didn't know such a thing was a possibility universal is weird and stingy they even their annual passes they like if you get it in august it only goes through december right like uh this is crazy 18 months so thrilled about it uh how did she earn this honor you might be wondering uh by losing a kicking contest she aaron uh participated in a work foot golf competition uh it was a and also your wife for those of you who don't know uh yes yes uh foot golf uh what is foot golf i don't know i didn't know about it before which probably uh hurt her chances

at foot golf but everybody at her place of work was playing foot golf i don't i honestly it is an it was at an official foot golf course, even. Wow. I know. Frisbee golf? Foot golf? I don't know. I think it's a combo. It's like soccer ball style kicking into bigger holes. And next to golf, it's like a combo course of traditional golf and foot golf.

Okay. It was six holes at a total par 18. The winner of the whole competition scored a 16. Erin scored a 45. And it involved her losing her final ball in a lake. And so she was mildly ashamed by all this but then at the end discovered that there is a last place prize uh and that was an 18 month free pass like pretty sweet right yeah that's pretty good very good and her was number one um i think it was maybe also theme park it might have been a disney thing that that okay yeah these are good but these were good this was a high stakes foot golf competition right the last place prize was

like sort of a yeah hey don't worry about it you still get a prize it wasn't like a punishment no no no uh she did not increase her workload at her right place of employment at the mine where she worked she didn't have to shovel more coal. Well, that's good. I, no, I, fantastic. So I get to like, you know, now I will have to pay to go along with her. But now it's free Island new bar access. Wow. It's great. It wasn't an 18 month pass to the unbuilt Universal Studios in Dubai.

No, no, no. It wasn't something like that. Not just, you don't just get to go into the the gate and that's all that's there but you unlimited like you can go in and out of that gate as many times as you want so okay wow that's great congratulations feeling fine yeah wonderful wonderful news to get and who yeah who knew her poor footsmanship would pay off so wonderfully that's great and thanks aaron yeah thanks well i'll thank aaron for you thank you aaron for you you're raping

the benefits of this i'm gonna learn about foot golf because i i don't know this doesn't really come up maybe in passing i love miniature golf sure the miniature golf fan oh wait miniature golf counts we can talk about miniature golf uh hey great all right we cover we just we just unlocked like seven more episodes but yeah sure and again and foot golf too because it came up here now but i'm intrigued by foot golf especially because uh a listener emailed mark d natal emailed uh that the trout dale the place that you could catch trout has closed what no trail of agora hills is no longer there the oh bummer the ponds are all dried up and it is closed for good so what i cannot go by the sign recently oh no cherished uh six-year-old memories of an activity

that i didn't keep up beyond six years old um wow bummer well i will say that the foot golf course is in the same county as the former trout dale so residents of said county uh still have some fun on there but it's not the fun of killing an animal of uh of hooking a trout but and uh and gutting it but uh foot golf's a little fun too okay yeah a little fun to be had everywhere yeah sure i'm so man i'm gonna boy let me just not talk for the next 45 minutes though because r.i.p trout dale yeah r.i.p yeah you can take a break too if you need yeah yeah let me just go let me go outside take a deep breath, and think about every individual trout that didn't get to die in the expected way. They're all just tossed on the side of the road somewhere.

They got to live a full life with its trout friends. That's sad. Yeah, shit. I know. I wanted to eat them. They didn't get caught by a kid. It sucks. Anyways, so good news for me.

Jason, I feel like there's things, there's something you got locked and loaded to discuss as well. I have a news story that was very interesting to me. It's a couple months old, but it hasn't really come up on the show yet. And only a few theme park news sites picked it up. But real news sites picked this one up too the orlando sentinel the associated press okay um so a few months ago uh you know uh all right well let me set this up there's there's a resurgent labor movement in america we've seen teacher strikes in multiple cities uh there's coal miners recently have been

sitting on the tracks down in kentucky blocking coal trains because the company went bankrupt here in our own city of los angeles uh the screen actors guild just had elections the writers guild is having uh very contested elections right now they're a blast uh they're a blast we're getting so many great emails and you know so many great sons of uh terrible people who name names yeah and that's funny that sons came up because a son a famous son comes up in this story too wonderful so um uh now disney uh in various disney uh cast members are in various different unions uh which is especially the case down in florida disney world employs so many people so uh a few months ago 600 out of a thousand costume performers threatened to cut ties with their local union due to quote horrible representation and unresponsiveness to grievances now this is local uh 385

uh of which about uh about half of 9 000 members are disney cast members okay so and and around a thousand of those are costumed are like goofy mickey cast members okay and wait so that but they're not all disney people there some of them are other theme park other uh lots of different stuff in this local and i'll explain which union it is in a second so okay um the character performers have been in this union since the 1980s and this was such a huge deal that um the head of this union had to fly down to Orlando, hold hearings about this like corrupt leadership and put the local office into what is called trusteeship, where he appointed two people to take over and there'll be elections in 18 months okay um now uh the another independent office said in court filings that this local union's leaders may have created false records committed embezzlement and obstruction now so the union in question is the International Brotherhood of the Teamsters. And the head of this union is James P. Hoffa. Not to be confused with James R. Hoffa,

known as Jimmy Hoffa, his father. Oh. So, the son of Jimmy Hoffa flew down to Orlando. So, Jimmy Hoffa famously had to deal with the mob and the Kennedys his son james p hoffa is dealing with a guy explaining that no i'm not goofy i'm a friend of goofy i'm not goofy i'm a friend of goofy had to fly down to put local 385 into trusteeship wow wow uh so a much sillier lineage than his father yeah held yeah yeah um well yeah the dawn of costume characters and not yet happened during uh elder office time

no well he disappeared in the um he disappeared in the 70s and i think was declared dead in the 80s uh-huh uh they they i think the myth busters conclusively proved he is not buried under giant stadium which was the longer word um jimmy hoffa for more context once played by jack nicholson in the movie will be played by al pacino in the upcoming movie the irishman yes in in the de-aged uh scorsese al pacino yes yeah yeah um okay so very strange uh there's no there's no property does disney now own something where they could create a costume character of hoffa do they own the rights to the film hoffa who owns yeah who owns Hoffa but if this is actually an interesting question just in general could you make a walk-around

character of any sort of notable figure hmm oh yeah what are the rules there is there a law against just making you know say a Trump walk- around character and where would it go where would he be um he'd be in the monkey cages and animal kingdom if he asked me we had something to say about he well nbc owns the nbc made the apprentice so that's a good point they could they might be the likely home of a of a trump walk around trump walk around and it's almost surprising they didn't do it at the time because you could go get a photo with billy bush at the access hollywood red carpet at the end of the tour right i'm amazed like there wasn't trump presence on the studio tour at that time they were pushing that thing so hard right yeah there's got to be something though um so wait so this this union though is just it's costume characters but it's other it's not just it's just a regular teamsters office too

so the costumes characters there's about a thousand of them uh two-thirds of that number threatened to walk right because of poor representation so i'm just confused like there's costume characters but also there's truck drivers truck drivers so how how do you maybe this is too much i don't know if this is in the article but like how do you end up in a a union that has like truck drivers and a guy playing uh daisy duck or a lady playing daisy duck uh it's confusing to me yeah i don't know i mean lots of unions cover right multiple parts multiple things it just seems like a performer's union would be the one that covers that but i don't i don't i have no knowledge of

this well it's interesting you bring that up because we're gonna circle back around to unions when it comes to uh today's topic what's something i learned about this wow a total left turn's coming okay interesting um huh huh are mike mike are you at this point just worried about the safety and well-being of the mini who has the hots for you at disney world no no there's a little cracking anyway no it's fine everything's fine i said daisy i said daisy not mini i didn't say many thought you'd throw us off the scent he said another female character i didn't say minnie because if conditions are poor enough that she can't make kissy sounds from inside the head right it's gonna be fine they're gonna have

elections within 18 months but can a truck driver in the meantime can a truck driver still make like a kissy face at me through the windshield of a car of his truck while i'm driving alongside him which would be a great joke in a national lampoon's vacation type scenario oh my gosh yeah because like blowing clark wants the sexy girl but it's a gruff truck driver he was fantasizing about her but then like yeah he's drifting and going mad and it's actually a big gross dude right that would be that i mean if i didn't know what scene is in the newest vacation movie the horrible scene that is the play on the original one i would think that was in the newest ed helms movie are you talking about the one where she dies yes where they kill

yeah kill what's her name christy brinkley right the killer in the new vacation yeah just a truck mose her down yeah he's like flirting with whoever i mean i think it's an equivalent is it actually christy brinkley or is it a newer oh maybe female character oh because it's yeah it's not yeah because it's ed helms and he's like you know remember the original vacation and clark is flirting with christy brinkley on the highway. Yeah, and she keeps showing up on the highway. Yeah, yeah. Well, in the newest vacation, Ed Helms is flirting with a young lady on the

freeway and then she just gets killed by a truck or something. She just gets run over. Yeah. And that's bleak. Yeah, it is. That's incredibly bleak. That's the movie. Because it ain't your dad's vacation. This is...

Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway. We're slaughtering your expectations. Blood on the pavement of what you think that vacation is going to be. Yeah. Which is you thinking it's going to be funny? Yeah.

What bridges are we burning talking about vacation? I'm thinking, going through it in my head right now. Yeah, we the check i don't know it's deep in a it's deep in a podcast that's half about union relations oh my gosh about sword on the stone yeah the union talk scared everyone away if the sword in the stone title didn't already so we're good we love my historical context and i've got even more of it. This is interesting. I don't know what could possibly be coming in this area. Oh, sure.

Well, we can start diving in, I suppose, to The Sword in the Stone. I guess, well, it isn't a live show so much at all of the parks now i guess the way the main way the sword and the stone functions today is as a a photo opportunity and the bulk of the magic kingdoms and almost all of them except for shanghai i think it is in shanghai isn't it is it maybe it is i think it's hong kong right it's in hong kong but is that the one that's so that i know so it's still the show well then it brings down to which are still merlin hosted it seems like paris still has merlin okay i saw one in hong kong uh and merlin was speaking i don't have an ear for it uh i wasn't sure if it was cantonese or mandarin yeah not sure what the

what the go-to is at hong kong yeah we don't know much about hong kong disneyland yeah uh it seems like the official languages of hong kong from what i could tell are written chinese and spoken english it you know it's cosmopolitan city lots of language spoken sure um so uh there there's not a show right now in disneyland yeah it doesn't doesn't seem like it and i haven't seen this in a very long time 2006 was the last time i believe something like that oh yeah they did it i found a 2012 posting by the walt disney family museum which was screening sword in the stone for an anniversary saying you could still get your picture with the sword in the stone at disneyland but the show is not running right now yes okay so yeah the the main way day

to day that it functions is that there is an anvil with a sword sticking out of it and you can try with all your might to pull the thing out but it will not budge uh and that is because the only way it will move is via magic only the only the chosen few as in the film can pull the sword out of said stone uh and then you know the only way that this is ever uh done day to day in the parks is is via this show um that usually involves merlin but not always where merlin is trying to find a like a placeholder king while the while king arthur is away on vacation is that what it is yeah because it's temporary it's the temporary king of the realm it's temporary they make it very clear to the children. You are not the king here forever. It's for like an hour tops.

You are not. The Pendragon put this sword in the landfill. Disney legal is very clear that they can't promise guests things even on rides. Like Mara, there's like a, I think Tony Baxter talked about it. Because they have to make Mara so big. And they say you'll have eternal youth if you don't look into Mara, there's like a, I think Tony Baxter talked about it, because they have to make Mara so big, and they say you'll have eternal youth if you don't look into Mara's eyes. So she's so big, everyone obviously looks, unless you actually coordinated it with one person.

You might have a legal complaint. Which we failed to do. Right. We have not attempted this. If everyone closed their eyes on Indiana Jones, maybe there's a legal complaint to lodge, which of course would be insane. But funny, I mean, maybe we should try to do that and see where it would go yeah so even even all their

offerings very temporary kingship even but then at the end the determination is of the show is that it took so long to find the king that you don't even get that you aren't even the do you guys know this i read a transcript of the show well maybe i don't maybe the justification that you get a crown and it is quickly taken away yes yeah and you don't you don't actually you don't actually get to be you don't even get to be temporary king of disneyland or disney world because there was so much business trying other people pulling the sword out of the stone right so even like oh the time like his he uh his alarm goes off uh i think a literal alarm

sound is made even though it's a uh um the uh why can't i think of the word with the dust and the measures the time oh what's the word a sundial uh no no the other one an hourglass yes god i could not come up with the word hourglass that's all right i don't use them very often it's not how i tell time first of all and i don't play a lot of games so yes every board game used to include an hourglass yeah you end up with a lot of hourglasses around. Tiny plastic hourglasses. Tiny plastic hourglass. And then if one broke, you used to have to dig out the other. Get the hourglass from the other one. Now, there's a board game I don't think I've talked about on the show.

Or maybe briefly because it's hard to avoid talking about it. I had a game that was Planet Hollywood the game. Oh, I had that. You had that too? Yes, it was the it was the yeah yeah it was actually the globe itself yes with cards inside the famous globe from the logo including the extruding one star yes and you set a little timer and then a little like uh very generic melody plays but good for them for writing original music for this game and then it dings

do you do one of you still have a copy of this i do i'm gonna and schaumburg i may have a closet where my disney afternoon avenue shit came from i'm i'm just saying there's a lot of podcasts where people play games like dnd we could we're called cthulhu or something like that we could play around well and i think hollywood and record it absolutely well and there was a disneyland board game as well i believe oh yeah that's like that was a lot of versions of that i feel like yeah there must be a lot of classic yeah right we are finding so many bits of bullshit that we can do the planet hollywood game is just like name renee russo movies yeah and then you you name as many as you can i love it

sure yeah i we think we have that but unless i we got rid of i don't know it's it's in schaumburg if it still exists for me because then obviously we could like if we had two versions of we could have like multiple games going at once cutting back and forth it'd be a real elaborate oh that would be like the back of a comic book store when they're like tabletop gaming and there's so many games going on or we host podcast red game nights and people come play against us the masters hope you know you're renee russo yeah we are three renee russo experts you better know your shit so are we allowed to say like nightcrawler yeah because that wouldn't have been canon that would have been a movie i think we can play it from we can update it a little the trouble will mainly be that the stars of today like

ensil algort will not have be represented the stars that we know so much about today are not represented as cards so we and so like we couldn't do name jeremy renner endeavors and then uh app amazon storefront album music videos in car commercials um but and also like there'll be questions like if you met harvey weinstein how many hugs would you give him to thank him for all the movies he's made over the years and you'd be like well three and obviously we don't want to talk about that name all of your friends who you would love to see sit on john lassiter's lap go uh jason hey this was a very this was a touchy huggy game these questions should have been canceled back then yeah well we can't go backwards there have to be cancelable

questions oh yeah so once we go through this i'll go through first i'll pluck out all of the cancel questions it would also be funny just to discover them while playing yeah yeah so either way oh certainly original california adventure had a casting couch joke on one of the windows someone designed someone wrote designed it was approved it was painted on and that eventually pretty quickly someone was like get that the hell out of here i think there was a disconnect between what the casting couch was and what people thought it was i think and it's still not okay that people thought like and then you gotta you know give a couple of smooches but i do think people didn't like

there was a like it's the word sounds fun it's even alliterative oh yeah i i think by the 90s had like any representation of hollywood just felt like schmoozy go to spot beverly hills baby you know so do we need to cancel the word schmooze. Oh, yeah. Schmoozing does potentially involve not so good things. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Or let's just clarify what schmooze means. Schmooze is just. Schmoozies will now be called networking.

The smoothie stand we love so much. Wait, that's what it is? Yeah, yeah. It's smoothies. And they serve smoothies there. So it's called schmooze. Yeah. Schmooze.

Not schmoozees. No, schmoozees. With a T-H. Schmoozees. Schmoozees. It's donuts and smoothies. And you can get the big Donald Duck's thick ass donut. Bottom, yeah.

There. Is that why Donald Duck's thick ass came up before? Or were we just admiring it in another way? I can't remember. It's possible that we were talking about that because Jason and I split a large donut when we were waiting for Guardians the first time we ever rode it. It was like

a Hulk donut, right? Yeah. Or was it Captain America because it had apple pie filling? I think it was. No, I think it was Hulk. I think it was green. I'm pretty sure it was Hulk. But it definitely had apple pie filling. But I can't remember why I was talking about Donald's rear. I don't know. I was talking about Donald's rear. I don't know.

It's occurring to me now that, you know, I have some new cats recently, and one of them I would have to qualify as having a thick ass. And I think it makes me love her more. I do. Oh, wow, that's interesting. In a Donald way, I think it's, yeah, I think it is one of her most adorable

it's an it's endearing it's very endearing animal like donald's like winnie the pooh it would certainly get stuck in a in a tree uh hole i don't i don't want to get canceled but throw some pics up on the twitter you know i don't want to guess yeah i don't i don't think i'll be canceled for that but we're talking about it in endearing terms i mean i almost it almost feels a little too that feels like too abrasive of a term i've been calling it a rump well i love my that's very wholesome yes the reason the reason with the donald ass is because i think i said the word ass and it was weird to use it in context with donald we should be using the words rear and bottom hindquarters any of those are very safe for this a very nice podcast i don't know if

i i something about hindquarters feels odd to me because like that implies you're gonna spend some time in there i don't see it like that quarters is like a place you live okay that's my that's my own uh odd connotations with mass terminology my last thought about this is that uh when i was a child uh in the pinocchio song and i maybe i've mentioned this before when when you would sing the song um i forget exactly which song it is but it's just like there's a line in there about his little wooden seat i would lose my mind laughing i thought that was the funniest thing i still think i think it's funny yeah calling it a seat little wooden seat that feels in our wheelhouse the as much as we've already used we've already talked about thick ass before i think us

started like if we can try it from here on out just call it a seat call it seats that's pretty funny all right fine i think you managed to find the tamest word humanly possible um all right well i love my cat's seat my cat's got a great seat all right also well and this pinocchio's butt pinocchio's seat rather has come up before because in that crazy song today I wept for that the Geppetto song and that Christmas special that I'm a big fan of he talks about spanking he fondly recalls spanking Pinocchio and getting a blister right and this is a nice memory jeez so weirdly there's several Pinocchio's seat comes up in several ways in disney mythology my um pinocchio song uh theory is that the high deedily d and actor's life for me

is what walt thought of actors that they were good for nothing scumbags that they were like they get punished for their sinful lives interesting anytime i do something like coming out of an audition like sometimes i get stuck in my head like it especially awful audition i get that song a full hour 45 leaving santa monica you have actors like for me yeah yeah mocking you i disagree kurt russell suzanne plushette these are actors he had a lot of fondness for he couldn't think that the profession was i think there was some he liked i'm just saying you're saying there was a handful of elite actors annette and then the julian andrews dick vanda yeah right those

people he liked but your average work working actor he had nothing but disdain for perhaps yeah or even if he loved them he thought they are like like layabouts and yeah and then silly creatures in pursuit of something silly reefer heads yeah he also took roles away from them by appearing on the show all the time by not hiring a host oh yeah and by voicing mickey himself he kind of like took that spot for up you know for a decade or so right from uh uh eventually we realized more capable mickey voices that's true yeah so uh walt's hatred of actors is very evident but he does seem supportive at least in california adventure statue form of mickey's suitcase in a dream right he's arriving like here we here you go bud but that was obviously you know that statue

is not based on fact like it's not from it's it's a it's a fantasy you know that wasn't really figurative it's a figurative statue you know so like he said he didn't show up to california with mickey mount with a fully rent out of a real life character. Yeah, that wasn't actually what happened. So I'm just saying it's possible he wouldn't have supported Mickey's suitcase in a dream. I need a new mattress on that sleeper car. My fucking neck. That is the narrative. Nuts doesn't count as a meal.

I want money back. Do you think they could? Do you think Walt could have gotten a child seat for him being that he's small for mickey or did he have to keep him on his lap like you have to like like parents of newborns to not pay for that extra seat no it's a good question he was like mickey mickey you'll be saying that you're under two. Save us the feat. It's my Walt, which is the same as my Obama. Same as your Obama, right?

It's very Cronkite, is what I. Yes. That's how old men talked in the old days. Very clipped. All right, stop. And this is what we're going to do. That's sort of. Maybe that's.

Or, I mean, if it's Tom Hanks' version, of course, it's, well, Mickey, we're going to say you're two years old. Which is sort of his Mr. Rogers as well. I think he looks great as Mr. Rogers, but the voice is a lot huskier. Yeah. But Mr. Rogers is a tough voice to do. Tough voice to do. Tough voice to do.

It's so high. It's hard to not make it completely unnerving. Yes. Does it sound like a serial killer or that you're making fun of him? Right. I'm Mr. Rod. Yeah.

It's not. Hello there. You can't just go like. George H.W. Bush, I guess, as well. Like Kooky. Not going to do it. Merlin, the wizard of lore.

Are you trying to bring this back jason this is the lightest topic we've ever done i i know i love it for a while you've been convinced the whole time of the of the fullness of the top of the robustness yes topic i haven't been convinced on the fullness of the topic i just knew that i could just do a voice for a while and then we like that would kill enough time for the podcast to be over anyway back to absorb this podcast killing time i think it's all valuable crucial information i guess that's one way to look at it uh sword in the stone of. First kind of myths of legend that were sort of collated

by Sir Thomas Mallory and Le Morte d'Auteur, and later on by T.H. White, who wrote the book The Sword in the Stone, a shorter novel, eventually the first part of the larger piece, The Once and Future King. king okay which i learned a little bit about when i was younger because it is all that is the basis of the musical camelot which i was in in high school oh my god do we have the tape what'd you do uh okay so i was uh very excited

because they said they were going to do a dual casting for this one which meant there were multiple people playing uh arthur guinevere and lance a lot and there was also and merlin and there was a kooky knight and i forget his name um i did not get that part the part i got is the child who comes on at the end after camelot has fallen and volunteers like your highness my lord i'll fight i'll bring my bow and arrow my lord and then arthur tells him about the glory days of camelot because of course camelot uh this grand happy place lured it over by arthur and guinevere until she leaves him for, uh, the once good night,

Lance a lot. And then there was a battle between them. Okay. And then Camelot falls. Did you go into any high school audition scenario dreading? Am I going to be the kid? Uh, no,

I was fully prepared. In fact, in meme, I want it to be the kid and did not get it oh i got the like the girlfriend's uh straight-laced father the the the fiance's father that anti-meme's nephew is supposed to marry huh i did not do well in high school theater. But it sounds like you were in a lot of... How many shows were you in? Four.

We just did one musical a year. So, you were in the musical every year? I was in them, yeah. That's pretty good. But like in middle school, I was usually like the bad guy or at least a supporting lead or something. Right. Well, it's like it's bumping up to the majors and it's a tougher and tougher slice every

time. Well, hey. As now you're in that now in hollywood who's the only one who lives in hollywood now huh hey is that true does nobody uh a couple people i know have like moved to la uh-huh actually the the older brother of like a childhood friend uh just sold a screenplay to netflix so he's doing well okay um i'll never be the number one in my class because i was next to me alphabetically was david gallagher who's the who was uh the

the middle child i believe on the show seventh heaven oh right who was at the time so already had achieved more than and slash a uh direct video richie Rich due to Macaulay Culkin not returning to the franchise. Well, yes. Oh, yeah. Wow. So, are we just judging it on same year or just in like a, in around a class? Because I just realized there was a guy who was a year older from Schaumburg High School that is like a very successful actor named Mike Rourke, who's in a bunch of things. Okay.

What do we know at the time i don't know you should schmooze with him oh i know what you mean i know what you mean by that what kind of schmooze i i read you loud and clear pal yeah so the myths of legend of king arthur disney never really made like besides sword in the stone never really had like a king arthur movie yeah never really made like besides sword in the stone never really had like a king arthur movie yeah there's not a live action well besides uh kidding kidding yeah yeah but there's not like um a disney animation canon arthur besides uh wart the boy who pulls the sword because arthur doesn't factor uh into this tale yes you know they like they allude to it

in the movie sword in the stone which it's been a long time since i watched some clips just to confirm that uh merlin did indeed turn himself and arthur into fish at one point uh-huh that was my most clear memory of it and like uh uh wart or arthur whatever you want to call him like casually pulling the sword out of the stone okay yeah uh yeah so arthur isn't a character in it but arthur is referred to and in this show in the live show arthur is referenced as he's away so when you're on vacation you rubs your your duties are absconded with which is probably good because i it would it would be terrible for a small child to be enjoying the day uh at disney world and then be responsible for the fall of cam like dealing with the

ramifications of the fallout of camelot falling so you view it as you're not becoming like the king of disneyland you're but you have to take care of camelot you're running the same you're keeping it within their story yeah you're like the 10 minutes where they think, on Veep, where they think Selina Myers has to be president in the first episode or something. So, you're just saying the kid is being set up as like the fall person.

The fall guy. Oh, well, now I'm saying it's good they're not the fall guy. Right. They could very well be the fall guy. Right, where they're just installed sort of towards the end. See, Merlin is good. Merlin is pure. I cannot speak to the other people who do the show, the Royal Majesty makers.

So sometimes it's Merlin. Sometimes it's Merlin. Sometimes it's these two people. I don't know where they're coming from. Sorry, there's four of them. There's two of them, but there's four characters i i learned about this because i was like what the hell is this yeah and i had to look it up on the disney world website because on the disney world website it's under uh the royal majesty makers it's not under the sword and the stone does that imply that they

do this show today at disney world they do the show today in fact it was running yesterday and today oh okay a few times a day uh meet retired knight sir sterling his clever niece bridget squire tobias and the kind lady luellen as the official ambassador sits to cinderella's court they will put your skills to the test and school you in the finer points of regal behavior next d23 if you want to win the most obscure costume contest go with clever niece bridget clever niece yeah or tobias or tobias yeah so four characters will come out and you started saying they did this yesterday two i think they alternate the characters okay right right you said that and this is where the unions come up again okay i learned i was told

this and i i had to look it up because i i was surprised to learn this uh these roles are actors equity roles okay which is the that is the union you join if you are a broadway performer and this is the union that runs some of the other roles in florida like people will be in turtle talk with crush and get their equity card and then they could go join a broadway chorus well this is some of the issue that we talked about this with matt gorley that he was like when you're back when there's dialogue and you're improvised if it's this like heightened level of performing you get to be you get it's much better pay seemingly yeah uh and it's seemingly why they have disney avoids doing too many things like this and why it's maybe

one of the first to go because the staffing is like star wars land is like galaxies yeah yeah a few of the people are equity because uh old yeah the tyrant bob chapek just said well the people that are at the and working in the stores they'll be our characters they will say three confusing phrases at you and that will replace right they're being droids yes because so the droid operators would fall under the purview of the union that puppeteers are in okay i'm not sure which one that is but i was shocked to learn and and so i found a listing for the royal majesty makers uh like to get the job yeah on backstage on like the the um have you applied no because it was a listing from like 2013 but all they were also

applying there was listings at that time for turtle talk with crush world showcase players so apparently in florida i think it is if you are using a microphone you are the role is equity because turtle talk with crush doesn't sing at first i thought it was if you sang you were equity but singing might get you a bump okay so um but still crazy to me because i don't know how much out here is equity it seemed like yeah matt gourley was saying a lot was agva the american gilda variety artist so uh yeah so all right so merlin's doing okay yeah so merlin i would assume merlin equity too but he's time to retire. He's retired here. My question is, why are there... It's in a company that obviously cuts a lot of costs.

They're cutting costs now because Disneyland is empty. It's empty today. All the passes are unblocked. So it never kicked back in. Space Mountain 10-minute wait two hours ago when we're recording this in the middle of the afternoon. Did Galaxy's Edge kill Disneyland? Yeah, I guess it did.

What happened? I don't know because truly what time is it it's like five o'clock right now it was three o'clock and i looked 10 minute wait for space mount in the middle of the day well it's 93 degrees it's hot out but it's that never stopped people yeah that was not like it would still like guardians was 25 that might have been i think cars was probably the longest wait. I walked on Guardians last week. I was there. Yeah, I was there recently, and everything was pretty light. So, yeah, anyway.

So where was I going with this? It seems odd to me that they wouldn't just keep having Merlin be the character, because there's only one person. It's just one guy. And there's two people. You would think they would all be like, well, we'll just have Merlin do it, not have these new characters. Four of them. Four of them to to rotate just always put the robe on anybody can do it merlin can be either gender who cares like let's just do merlin and he's more fun i'm assuming i think he's more

fun i think the royal majesty makers are a little sticky i mean they're pretty sure i'm not saying they have to do a lot of improv and stuff but i I like Merlin. I like a kooky old man, even if it's just, you know, a big beard and a hat. Obviously, I think all three of us probably, we enjoy a bearded old man over most type of characters. That's definitely true, yes. You're Marvel. Does Marvel McFay have a beard? Oh, yeah.

He does, right? He has like a Dream Finder kind of beard. Yeah. So, like, that's yeah so i'm just wondering what the thinking is maybe kids don't connect with merlin as much as they used to i mean they've they have not kept this particular property alive as a vibrant nor is there there's not really like a song you know from sword in the stone no maybe the most iconic song free of classic disney era yeah i couldn't pull it i was reading about sword of the stone because that was one of two rabbit holes i went

down for this uh sword of the stone directed by a man named wolfgang reitherman he's one of the nine old men one of the nine old men yep uh also credited as woolly reither men uh credited as director on jungle book winnie the pooh and the honey tree aristocats robin hood co-directed the many adventures of winnie the pooh the rescuers and 101 dalmatians geez pretty good pretty good and like this is also coming like in a period that started in 1950 with cinderella when they're like okay we're back to feature like that and um animated features before that there was like six like package movies like weird movies about planes yes war bonds war bonds three caballeros uh ichabod and mr crane mr toad or mr toad that's a dr jekyll and mr hyde type movie

yeah they were like mr crane piecemealing anthology movies because so much of the staff was at the war right and then it took it took so long to do animation at that time a new disney anime feature would only come out every few years yeah yeah uh and probably like the most yeah probably the most yeah probably the most labor intensive and difficult to but yeah if you could just cycle through these things huh yeah uh so sword in the stone are they just getting they getting cocky or they're like yeah we got it well sure there's a world this is the uh this was the rabbit hole i really liked there is a world where sword in the stone was not made because there were two projects under

consideration after 100 grand dalmatians sword in the stone and chantecler the story of a confident rooster who believes that his crowing can make the sunrise based on an old play chantecler if that sounds familiar in high school or middle school uh no it doesn't sound like a play that people super were into like in the early 1900s late 1800s whenever it came out chantecler the basis though for the movie rockadoodle it's gonna that's exactly what i was looking up isn't that yeah wait is that why there's that that weird rooster thing yeah chantecler was updated with a with an elvis theme yeah for rockadoodle for rockadoodle chantecler got so far i love chantecler is that the name of the chicken that's the name of the chicken oh what a mealy name chantecler like chant the word chant and then eckler e-c-l-e-r i think it's there

is a french basis he is apparently a i think it's called a gallic rooster which is one of the unofficial symbols of the nation of france so chantecler got far enough in the development process that there's tons of mark davis concept art for chantecler oh and it looks great like look at these cool roosters really mark davis who just reminder did a lot of the haunted mansion art and like a lot of the great like characters in the parks are due to mark davis country bears country bears yes i looked up chantecler and i think i spelled it wrong because i just got a listing for Chanticleer Apartments, one star, Garden Grove, California. So that's not this.

Is the landlord this? There wasn't going to be a movie based on that. Oh my God, yeah, the landlord is a fancy chicken. No, that's Chanticleer, I believe. Is that him with the top hat? Yeah. Wow. Because he really thinks very highly of himself.

Holy shit. Jason, what you're showing us is extremely america sings slash splash well scott i'm glad you said that because this concept art of lady chickens looks exactly like like southern bell chickens like america sings exactly they belong on that boat in splash mountain nothing ever really goes away at disney uh which also and this is a little bit of a leap another piece of concept art for chantecler a dog with a key next to a jail cell whoa i mean it is a cop dog but still like pirates of the caribbean and the dog himself also looks extremely like a i feel like somebody looks like that in Splash Mountain.

Yeah. Yes. And furthermore, this owl character is exactly the way Archimedes, Merlin's owl in Sword in the Stone looks. He stole that for the owl in Sword in the Stone. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess he can. He used it.

If it wasn't me. This is a secret Chanticleerler episode what has happened now is the audience has stumbled into what they thought was sword in the stone they thought it was about unions but really this is just a character this is just about chantecler from here on out i mean i think chantecler rules there's even more concept all this concept art is amazing he's my new favorite character people could not get over though that like people aren't gonna want to see a chicken movie of course they are and yet yeah then ratatouille down the road and uh now and and don bluth was like in the 50s was around disney studios for some of his early gigs so oh right they didn't and the chantecler movie shares like one or two concepts i think with the

um disney chantecler uh development stuff like the i think the bad guy is a fox um the love interest is a pheasant but there's not a ton of crossover okay uh there's fencing chickens here in this picture looks great i mean it's mark davis stuff it's great i'm sure it's in that book the new like 80 mark davis coffee table book oh right right or a two book set i think just came out um but yeah is is chanta clear is that a public domain play can we put that up somewhere with you as chanticleer i mean i would love that i mean everyone in the play similar similar ish to animal farm every character is an animal yeah like the costumes for this play are like animal suits can we use the rockadoodle

songs can we combine it all it's mark davis style design design but the songs from the iconic songs people screaming rockadoodle i have i have the play right here i have pulled it up i think i think by the time rockadoodle got made it would certainly would have been in the public domain rockadoodle also at the time competing with uh beauty and the beast and fievel goes west right don bluth involved with american tale not really involved with fievel goes west right don bluth involved with american tale not really involved with fievel goes west right do you know who plays chauncey clear in the uh they started spelling it with double e's by the time the rockadoodle came around disney was gonna call that too but you know who plays the chauncey clear i don't i think i do do you know is it glenn

campbell's yeah wow isn't that wild weird yeah in 1990 we're like opposite beauty and the beast essentially there's a animated film starring glenn campbell yeah very strange so we could have never had rockadoodle which i had a vhs of rockadoodle growing up i watched rockadoodle a lot like we also we can't stop singing the the name rock i can't yeah like like you know and remember this is the pre-rockadoodle time so but now that now that we're post-rockadoodle we have to remember that rockadoodle wouldn't happen it's really fun to say yeah i've never seen it do you think i would like it oh it's it's we didn't look if you told me was this a chanticleer episode i would have watched rockadoodle uh rockadoodle has better songs than or i remember the songs from rockadoodle i do not remember the

sword and the stones the stone songs i guess it has songs it has some music maybe it doesn't have like song songs it doesn't have big numbers what is your favorite rockadoodle song rockadoodle i think it's sun do shine from sun do shine yeah you said that like oh yeah sun do shine yeah that's my favorite yeah uh my daddy taught me how to sing i remember that lyric kiss and coo is a song yeah yeah i remember watching rockadoodle a lot and that was just one where I was like this might be one for me and my brother I don't think anyone at school will want to talk about Rockadoodle

but on a podcast one day hey let me call you out on something I feel like you've said you don't like doo-wop music and this is very Elvis doo-wop-y old is very elvis doo-wop old rock and roll yeah but a chicken is singing it that forgives that's right i'm just saying i think there's an inconsistency there it's more like do squawk music squawk and roll all right well we'll

do a full yeah that's better that's better Jason's favorite genre of music is squawk and rock and roll. Wow. Oh, what a discovery. Well, yeah, Rockadoodle will have to get on the queue soon enough. Could you imagine if like talking about Disney animated classics, like, well, yeah, the animation started to get scratchier and people who grew up with Disney animated movies started making stuff. to get scratchier and people who grew up with disney animated movies started making stuff you know there was uh 101 dalmatians and jungle book and uh chantecler and i mean once once poco loco uh got into the mix the lineup like every disney theme park five hour line to meet poco loco

um different worlds different world what could have been no sword in the stone and the like incredible uh sums of money that could have gone to the estate of edmund rostland um it's best they don't think about it and if you're a rostland heir or heiress listening to this my apologies you only you you do have rockadoodle there's no the disney the feral cats of disneyland don't exist there's just feral roosters everywhere if you're there at rope drop it's just a nightmare it's an auto audio nightmare it's just screaming roosters in every land walt's idea to promote it that that's yeah in the 60s. What if we release a thousand roosters into the park? And of course, there would be a Disney Plus Chantelier announced already.

A movie coming soon. CGI. Mix of live action and CGI. Yep. They can still do it. That's true. That's in the archives somewhere. The Jacob Tremblay.

A Chanticleer? Yeah. You need a hip young man. I think you need like the guy from magic dragons or someone you need like leto oh yeah it's good it's chauncey clear i'm not sure who would own uh rockadoodle now who put it out was it samuel goldwyn distribute distributed it oh so but it wasn't like any studio wasn't partnered with the studio or anything that's so weird like quite sure and we look into it and realize like wait you know who owns samuel samuel goldwyn i do i don't even realize my parents didn't even think to tell me my last name's hyphenated? Gairdner slash Goldwyn?

Just never looked. It was, yeah, Samuel Goldwyn Company. Who owns that now? Jeez. You see it every now and then, but it's sort of like every now and then. They merged with United Artists. Yeah.

Who owns United Artists? United Artists shows up every now and then. Uh-huh. Boy. Huh. Columbia TriStar, I feel like like is used nowadays it doesn't you're just buying why is there no theme park where i can meet the tri-star lady give her a hug even just an instagram pop-up we need hell yeah we need to find a lawyer and do an episode with a lawyer and we need to lay out our plan for a reacquire acquiring all of these

different ip that have been like dormant for so long yeah because that's where the real money just go down the list of things and like lay it out with them they'll tell us how realistic it is how much money we're looking at uh and then uh you know faye portal little abner portal rockadoodle portal we are going to end up owning so many unpleasant ips yes uh if i could just own one of heathcliff's cadillac cats hector please just hector but then he's got to get removed a la spider-man from mcu yeah so when the heathcliff reboot comes he'll or are you saying in like old cartoons i'll have to remove hector you don't have to digitally remove hector yeah put a mustache on him and just put a mustache on him and color him differently and call him something else but that's a lot of work for that reissue but you earned it i earned

it because yeah that lawyer sleeping on hector ownership yeah um well okay sword in the sword in the stone back to the sword hey i like you know what good rabbit holes yeah thank you uh yeah i got so excited i mean that mark davis heart is great like it's always so fun to uncover uh his stuff um did you see where for the sword in the stone experience where you actually hit the switch that actually makes the sword available you know where that is a picture i found a pixel i mean this is according to some website i heard the technicians wander around sometimes and like we'll release it throughout the day if people are trying it um this is what this is it's right by pinocchio's

daring journey supposedly supposedly there's a switch just in the bushes what so like you can go over there we're probably giving information on people i'm going to try to do it so i mean let me see what it says here hit the bushes by pinocchio's daring journey you'll spot the switch a custodial cast member accomplice they use that word it uses to activate the swords release at the proper time in merlin show so it's somewhere on the left of pinocchio's daring journey it's got to be like key operated though right you can't just you would think we're a fob yeah security fob presumably digitized it yeah i you know the the i had to give the royal majesty makers credit they

do like a lot of interaction they do a lot of improv with the the audience and the family and stuff but i do like merlin like when merlin is doing it he um clearly always picks a dad first it's always a dad big brawny guy you don't know the shtick of the show that yeah they pick a strong guy to try to pull the sword out of the stone and he fails but they end up telling you know what Maybe you could be a bodyguard. You could be like the guy who protects the King. But I think the King is somebody else. It is in the long history.

It is, uh, trying to embarrass your dad. That is what another entry. It's a hit. And you can, you added one time. You could see it in French,

Chinese, English around the world. Dads of all countries were being in French, Chinese, English, around the world. The dads of all countries were being embarrassed regularly, daily. Daily. By Merlin or these merrymakers. And then Merlin pulls out a stick, a Y-shaped stick, which I learned, I always wonder what that's called, a drowsing rod or a divining rod. Where you look for water with a stick on the beach. It's a pseudoscience that people used it to look for water, for ore, for minerals. It feels like a thing you would have used as a child to try to find.

Your first toy was a divining rod. Yeah. To find treasure on the beach. I'll say this. It eased it a lot. It wasn't a lot of 90s kids cartoons. Yeah. Like divining rod.

Like, yeah. And I was. Looking for treasure on a beach. it was a lot of 90s kids cartoons yeah like divining rock like yeah and i was looking for yeah i mean i always was jealous of the metal detector guys i feel like i never see metal detector guys at the beach only in movies they're like uh i saw all the time growing up but now i really really see yeah because i never saw the jersey shore i'd see them all the time really yeah metal detector guys metal detectors cost a fortune and what were they looking for the jersey shore beach money treasure off his metallic corpse um sea glass sea glass i don't think shells would come up so like they were just like they were looking for change yeah

but a metal detector and a scooper because you have to have a sifter scooper sort of thing or else you're bending down all the time it's every now and then like pieces of ships or i think people thought they'd find the balloons or something huh if you were a metal detector guy or kid growing up tweet at us let us know please what was the plan what was the plan and what was your greatest bounty that you found which yeah somebody might really surprise us too we'll be eating crow soon enough yeah because it wasn't like a gold detector i found a rolls roys Royce. It fell off of a ship. Quickly buried.

Barely any water damage. That was something I saw as a kid. Someone finds a car. They dig up a car that they found with a metal detector. That'd be the dream. Yeah. I think I used a divining rod, though, as a kid. I do think I pretended that that worked.

But Merlin had good pantomime skills with the divining rod because he really makes it look like it's leading him right as opposed to the other way around i remember being impressed the merlin performers were pretty great i think they had to cut muster i was on i ended up on a website uh blog confessions of a walt disney world merlin where he details the audition process and uh and the training and that they they you know you couldn't really go do it in the park until they'd first train you for a while in like a taped off area like you would in an audition setting like here's the exact dimensions of everything and where so you just panamine it for a while backstage and then you'd have to go like

all right let's go run it from 2 a.m to 8 a.m like when the when the park's closed and then you'd have to go like, all right, let's go run it from 2 a.m. to 8 a.m. Like when the when the parks closed and then you'd be then you'd be given your officially awarded your hat and your divining rod and get to be a practicing Merlin. Why was that called Confessions of a Merlin? Was there anything like tawdry? Was there anything? Not at all. Other than that, other than the like potentially not the best treatment of the doves that uh i just learned that merlin would release i just learned that anytime you ever release doves they're gonna die quickly because like they're being put into captivity and they don't like

they've been trained so anytime doves are released in like a ceremony or something oh you're throwing them into the wild yeah yeah die oh well here he he dictates uh to that and let me read a little passage from an excellent article by the way confessions of walt disney world merlin uh just opening the hands might result in the bird just sitting there in the palm or casually dropping to the ground to search for french fries so there had to be an upward thrust to let the bird know how to fly you can't. You can't just like, yeah, yeah. Yes, you have to throw the bird. Once the bird is thrown, in the earliest days of the show,

clever hawks circled near the castle, realizing that every hour Merlin would be releasing a free lunch. Hadn't thought of that. That's a good thought. It was unclear how that situation was eventually resolved he says i wonder it wasn't that's my editorializing but every bird i released says this merlin flew safely back to their cage for a reward behind the magic kingdom but how can that be i don't i see trying to absolve him sad as he know that every dove survived

yeah i don't think the confessions you would think you would be like yeah and then they all they all died every time um an actor's life for me you had to tell yourself stories so you can sleep at night you know great i'm absolved that's how he washed his hands after writing this article forgetting about all of the children whose arms broke as they lifted the heavy they didn't release the button on time and then the kids are like just snap their shoulders clean off well i saw a kid i watch a video a kid doing it and he pulled from the handles and it started to come up and then he just grabs the blade and i was like wow king colin is intense and he's very trusting that it doesn't very trusting

homes did it did he get it yeah he got it okay he got it it was already pretty much up it doesn't come all the way out i feel like as a kid because you don't want a kid just waving a prop sword around of course not but that is does feel unsatisfying today in galaxy's edge this is possible around every corner uh yes that's very true or i was got nailed by a kid uh who had the lightsaber like quiver but he had it sideways like around like he was going down a pathway with this like lightsaber thing falling off his shoulder and paul wasn't nailing people that's funny that you were hit by a kid with a lightsaber because i've been hit by several adults with lightsabers yes i would believe that too yeah

with several really black black like cases for the blades yeah yeah yeah not like they were swinging it at me not quite the dignified weapon that obi-wan described it as watch it grown lightsaber owners uh the other the other you wouldn't call this a confession but i like the detail that merlin had to greet kids take photos sign autographs after the show was done and a lot of kids this being the early to mid 90s speaking of unpleasant ip a lot of kids thought that he was the page master oh the macaulay culkin movie one right boy referenced to macaulay culkin's lesser films i've never seen that page master not to mention that what you were saying about the humor of the show really a lot of it is is a kid's chance to

for for getting even with dad Let's try to get every Macaulay Culkin title into this episode. I had like Pagemaster toys and I definitely remember seeing a lot of ads for it and did not push.

What was the premise of it again? He goes into a book. A bunch of live books or something. Yeah. Does he go into the books? I think he goes into the books.

I know Andrew Grissom likes the Pagemaster. This is the most Grissomy movie. Anyway, side note. He doesn't listen to the podcast, though. He does, so I'm allowed to hear this. I feel like the page master was trying to, like, oh, people liked Princess Bride, right?

Right, yes. Because that's similar, like, kid gets a book read to him. I've never seen the Princess Bride. I haven't either. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. I wasn i wasn't gonna say anything but since you went first i'll say it i'll say i'm not i also don't like goonies at all well i don't think i've seen all the goonies a lot people are gonna be really mad now i think there's enough and there's enough anti-goonie out there i've caught there's a i remember playing a a nintendo video game that i never got

past like level two of goonies on there's a game of it there was a game you you kept yo-yoing bad guys i don't know no offense if anyone likes goonies i just found it sort of abrasive and unpleasant i it's just me i don't know i like princess pride Bride, but I'm not obsessed with it like people are. Yeah, there was... I mean, you got your Wallace Shawn and your Andre the Giant. I mean, for sure. What else can you want in a movie? Lots of great...

I think I get suspicious of very movies that are shown in midnight revival Hollywood Forever ways all the time. Maybe I have a bias or something. I just don't take the time to check them out if i didn't grow up with it i'm sure that one's probably great at being rob reiner yeah it is it is good yeah it is good i don't want to even downplay that too much um yeah i was looking at page i got bored looking at the page master wiki it's so exciting there's like a kid with like he's like he doesn't want learn. And I think then he goes and meets the page master and he likes to learn after that. I feel like there was a big trend in 90s entertainment of like, we got to get the kids off the TV

and the video games and teach them about books. And I can only imagine that's even harder nowadays. Yeah, probably. I just saw, I mean,oyd was the page master though so now it's got me attention a little bit i loved camp nowhere he was the adult of all the polls camp nowhere well i because i love back to the future upn's deadly games that's my favorite lloyd that's your lloyd um he's christopher lloyd's like on instagram now and i follow him and he just goes to all the cons and i don't i don't believe he's

actually posting because he'll just like post like back to the future memes yeah and that might be corporatized yeah but anyway good to see him good to see him out there he's live action in page master too yeah yeah yeah he's to a dual role yeah i see i see okay uh and phil hartman is a slender and violent pirate slender and violent interest patrick stewart in there too great people yeah all right we're gonna do a double feature of page master and rockadoodle we might be in our words yeah love both of these films um what else about sword in the style did you see characters there's videos of character pinocchio tries to pull the sword peter pan flynn rider flynn rider flynn rider from tangled i was gonna say like from tron that's a different flynn oh my god if flynn from tron

and then his lasers wow Wow. Oh, yeah. That would be awesome. And then apparently every YouTuber, a lot of YouTubers, a lot of videos of like, I tried to pull the sword and I didn't. Like backpack people? Like backpack explorer types? Like, hey, what's up, guys? People.

Oh, okay. Just those in general. There's a lot of the- Which one? I assume you haven't pulled the sword out of the stone but if you but you if you you have photos i would imagine you gotta do it photos with it i i do think it's fun i'm sad they don't do it at disneyland i think it's a little bit i really liked the show and you know what charming if you're a kid who likes magic and stuff it is like

it's not a full-on magic show but you get the fun fun. He has his bag, and then he turns it upside down and shows you there's nothing in the bag, but then he's magically able to pull stuff out of it. Mary Poppins style. Yeah, yeah. I saw one where the kid gets a proclamation, rolled up proclamation, and a medal, like a medallion, and then the video cuts out,

and then they're eating in a restaurant in Alice from Alice in Wonderland. It's like, you were the ruler. She got so excited to see he had pulled the sword from the stone oh i think that's uh very charming they would do that they'd keep it up a little bit play along a reputation the thing that doesn't seem to happen in star wars right yeah that's what they've claimed yeah no it is it does feel like i guess they stopped doing it a while ago, but it is the type of thing that goes away, especially during budget cuts. And it is the stuff that really makes the park feel extra good. They're getting rid of this Pixar, what's the band?

Phil Harmonic. The Phil Pixarmonic or something? Yeah, it's some fun name. Yeah, the Pixarmonic. The Pixarmonic. That's a fun little thing over on Pixar Pier when the musicians play those songs and that sucks that's going away

what else they're cutting the Oh the Hoopty Doo show which I just saw I didn't realize they were running something at the time and like yeah walked right in it was mostly people tired people eating chicken fingers and I was like the only one sitting like in the balcony

like great view of the stage good job guys good job sue foot sue yeah these little like i mean it's actually tying it into current events if people are if there is this feeling that why aren't the little like fun street shows happening on batuu um that you might have expected i yeah i agree these these things are not and they are little they aren't like necessary and the park survives without them but it is it's it's great the color and detail and the idea that there's magic around any corner and this being an especially magical little show yeah like running into shows is fun like running like turning a corner and going oh what the heck oh okay that's cool oh yeah well and you know like push the trash can or something or like the the percussion guys who

like you think they're janitors and then they start playing those things where you don't even realize a show is occurring right you're swept up into it and i have to say i don't think like a lot i don't think universal has something like like there's no like i wish there was a thing in universal where you could fake throw chum into water and summon jaws then they end they give you a short sleeve turtleneck and a pack of smokes and you're a chief brody now that would have been what i liked as a kid you pull jaws magic tooth yeah one of the teeth is magic and one of the teeth is magic and they release whatever tooth the kid picks yeah congratulations you have to temporarily deal with the mayor you're the deputy mayor of amity island are open but should they be but you decide you decide you're

wrong people will die people will diecuss next year's lifeguard budget. It's July 4th. We can't close. That's most of the summer right there. You might be wanting to protect people, but the mayor is going to tell you why you're wrong. Look, he's been in there for a while, and he knows what he's doing. So, you know, sit with him, but maybe just agree with him. Just do what he says.

Just do it, yeah. You can't fight city hall. Everyone thinks they know how to govern Amity until they're put in the chair. You'd be good at writing, like, the campaign for, this is the reason to keep this mayor. I forget his name, but the existing mayor of Amity. These are all good rationales. Larry Vaughn was the actor, I think. Yeah, these are all good rationales to the actor okay um yeah these are all good campaign this is very like don't change horses midstream oh yeah just come on yeah he is still

the mayor in jaws 2 i saw someone point out a while back he's still the mayor is he is a hologram of him the mayor in jaws 12 and back to the future 2 whatever number it is i probably got it wrong yeah it's all the same hollow brody i never thought about how i'd like to see all of jaws whatever jaws 9 what is it that would be the that would be the area where like how we're getting like ip overload that would be the area where like how we're getting like ip overload that would be the area where you would then get like way on board i feel like scott yes that's one that i would bid on is can i do all of hologram jaws the hologram jaws from back to the future too we're going to make that and it's going to look like that and it's going to look

like that digitized and picked like he's gonna it's gonna be like tv static when he rises out of the water yes like that's that's where the uh uh choking on ip will get you if we can even get that micro targeted oh hell yeah i would love some micro targeting of just a line of menswear uh based on richard dreyfus's character which is most of the clothes i own for colder uh fall weather look like uh richard dreyfuss' character, which is most of the clothes I own for colder fall weather look like Richard Dreyfuss. No, he's got the gray varsity shirt and beat-up jeans and a blue beanie.

Do you have a blue beanie? You gotta get a blue beanie. I think I do. You do? You gave me one. Did I? Once you were like, do you want this winter cap? Do you want this beanie?

Like, they sent me two. That's not as much of a beanie. That's a more of a winter hat. I see right through this. You buy Jason dress up clothes just like Duffy. Summer Jason. I did get that backpack at an army surplus store. They did have beanies at the counter, but I was like, oh, two warm outs still.

I don't want to think about beanies. A bit more like smaller that's my feeling like a beanie i but yeah it's a it's a winter hat yeah amazon sent me two of them yeah so i gave him a gray it's just a gray winter hat but it's not so much well it's not it's not a full-on richard dreyfus costume you don't think it qualifies no i don't think so but okay yeah i i think we i think we can put on the twitter a side-by-side comparison of dreyfus and jaws and your look like to see if we can get it pretty close i i have it pretty close i have it it's it's a pretty easy menswear like beat-up jeans varsity gray sweatshirt scruffy facial hair uh trainer like canvas sneakers by the way i've just been lost in the jaws 3d yeah i'm thinking about it already it's jaws jaws 19 is the is the

movie i was i was coming up short but it's yeah jaws 19 and the only my take when i go in and pitch the take it is just it's just jaws but you just put the holo before everything. We have to get on the holo orca, the holorca. We got to drop holochum. That's all I got. What? Could you? How fast can you get a meeting with Zemeckis for this? Do you have to even get it approved through him?

I'm not sure. Yeah, this might be outside of it. This might be outside of it. Now, suddenly, I'm the plunderer trying to do extra Back to the Future, but that like martin's story is done doesn't have the mechas involved at all but the future does oh back to the future oh jaws is spielberg is still i think sort of even though they made a ton of credit on back to the future is that yeah but i think spielberg is still gatekeeping jaws franchise even though they made tons of jaws this. This is dicey because yeah Jaws is a whole other property from Back to the Future

Universal owns all of it but yeah I don't want everybody to have to sign off on everything but we're dealing with digital stuff so can the A be replaced by a 1? You'd say it out loud Jaws but it's a 1 instead of an A. That doesn't seem like a prequel. What's that? That sounds like a prequel.

Yeah you're right.-huh i'm just feeling out options like how can i get but also maybe spielberg's not so precious about it to the fact where you could do this like he doesn't want maybe a full-on reboot of jaws but everybody's trying to if this isn't a perfect quibi property then i don't know it's perfect for this is exactly what state feel i mean they're probably chomping at the bit for a little more jaws yeah and they'll feel great when i tell a tale of of digital horrors and also in the jaws the dreyfus's character sleeps with brody's wife oh right right well in this holla dreyfus yeah mrs hola mrs holobrody yeah do you foresee it being like a reboot style graphics kind of or like it's exactly it's from the it's exactly what marty when it

eats him and cars but and and so also obviously it would look if you were in the audience every individual audience member it looks like jaws is rising up from a really small source point and then getting bigger and bigger as he goes and he's gonna bite you are there any other and then he disappears in a way where only his eyeballs remain right man i this is this is what i was that is your dream ip for years you've been like doing ips and now we've actually hit on your perfect nothing but complaints but i just hadn't seen the light and it took sword in the stone to get there and i've unlocked my mental sword has been pulled out of my stone and now all the the synapses are firing i don't know i think you could i think with spielberg you could get him in on this take because it's so

far out from actually being like a totally new jaws and he's look it's way it fits right alongside ready player one we're recontextualizing back to the future things yes you're right that it's spielberg controls both spielberg is also back yes yes so he's the he's the who i gotta talk to yeah and i think he's probably zemeckis always is the one vocally like protecting back to the future i feel like spielberg might be as well but he's always the one that's like, we're all going to have to be dead before they make a new one. Yeah.

But this is totally different. I would never step on the story of Marty and Doc and Jules and Vern. No. That story is done and it's perfect. Especially Jules and Vern, especially Vern touching his dick. But this is its whole, I want see what marty didn't get to see right he was busy having to stop that unspecified thing at the cafe 80s this may have unlocked your whole like future in hollywood just in general there are other movies you like where there's

movies inside of those movies that you could make oh like there this could be a whole genre for you have to be i could make i'd like to make a lot of the shows that you see within stay tuned the john ritter because there's a lot of like demonic versions of like married with demons i don't remember what they actually are but this i make all the stay tuned movies right that one might not be as a flashy of a pitch no but that's the kind of more indulgent stuff i can do after jaws 19 is a huge huge hit and we would have to but you would have to and if you took maybe you just make a deal with amc theaters and you convert every amc into a holomax you mod it out if you put the words

holomax on it at the very least just put the words on it like a promotional like when 7-eleven was spring or was a cookie mart for a while exactly people would be so excited this is the most instagrammable opportunity we should just again this is something we should just cut out and you should just just file this away because what if somebody else does it yeah what if i were to tell you there is an announced doesn't seem like it's far along but announced live action sword of the stone that's that's very believable from a writer of game of thrones and the director of 28 weeks later okay so that's apparently happening but enough that imdb does not have a lot of information the one thing we know that movie is going to be full of shitty effects and so why all shit all movies are shitty effects what's great about jaws 19 is it just owned

it doesn't be like oh like let's not try to make this look photorealistic let's just it'll just be shitty am i wrong though that it kind of look reminds me of reboot from the 90s a little bit and it's just a little more translucent polygons which is going to help you get this done so much quicker right it's going to be quick it's going to be a quick process 90s nostalgia is like a thing right now i feel like we're seeing that yeah absolutely well and there's been so they brought the they brought marty's self-lacing shoes back and so you know their future pepsi yeah yeah oh yeah you've been able to get those bottles and yeah and that was you know i have an almanac at home like there's so many you know

especially this movie so fetish nobody's it's time to make the full it's time to make the full jaws oh man the and the mute the score is just you just run the john williams score through a you just make it a midi oh yeah scores done oh my god who knew sword in the stone was gonna unlock the rest of the rest of my career you're going to be the king of the realm the realm remix the realm of i was gonna say hollywood but really hollow hollow hollow well hollow wood that is no joke in a movie that makes a lot of schmoozing okay i do have i do have a quick uh other thing about sword in the stone though well first of all you know mike you were saying it's such a like wonderful detail uh and

it's those little details that make disneyland magical uh i don't know if you could credit him specifically but so this sword in the stone was put in along with tony baxter's 1983 fantasy land yeah overlay uh and i dug out my e-ticket uh magazine that uh that made me aware of mr baxter as a kid and he talks in that yeah i'll just read a quote you know with all the work we did on the dark ride exteriors do you know which detail the guests noticed the most it's the sword and the stone by the carousel and that's probably the cheap cheapest and easiest thing we put in there that was just an afterthought as a way of giving some theming integrity to king arthur's carousel yeah because there's no other representation of of the sword in the stone world so they'd like expanded it out a little bit uh

everybody looks at every photographs it stands around with their kids and they're in this courtyard surrounded by some of the most wonderful themed detailing we've ever done and yet that's the thing that everybody goes to it's this weird it's the centerpiece it's like the uh uh like the the hull of the ship the the the mermaid on you're looking at that as opposed to it's like dreamer's point that walt the statue of walt laying out it is interesting because like it is i do think something about like pulling the sword out of the stone whether even you've seen the movie or not do think something about like pulling the sword out of the stone whether even you've seen the movie or not there is something that like draws you to it there's something like very iconic about it whether you actually have that in your brain or not like i

don't know i don't know what it is i don't know if it's like myth just general myth that we've all like you know been raised on or something where you're like i wonder if i could do like i wonder what it is i mean i think a sword in general whether it's like you know zelda you know that's a very like a thing we've all have in our heads from playing like zelda for our whole lives so i wonder if it's like so much sword iconography in our brains and it's such a perfectly placed um little uh thing i have to think that was in uh tony baxter's mind when designing the paris park because from when i watched the video of them doing the certain stone show in paris it is center behind the castle it is right behind the castle and you can watch it from the balcony. I noticed that people on multiple tiers watching it.

Huge place of prominence. It's more complex rock work. More complex rock work. Merlin has like an Igor style helper in that version. Ooh, that's a good character. Wow. Yeah. But I think also, you know, the legends of King Arthur.

If you go back to like Britishish history and european history and monarchy all those countries just kind of all those monarchies just blend together like i don't really understand it very well i've seen mary queen of scotts a very boring movie but like the british royal family is related to the french monarchy is related to german one it's very complex hmm uh but you don't got to think about all that shit well you just got to pull a sword but really given a center of prominence the paris park it's all like i also think it's interesting like the whole like am i worthy there's some weird psychological thing with that and that shows up a lot in myths you know thor's hammer or whatever

it's like are you special really is what the question is yeah so like the the question are you gonna win the lottery like there's a sure hero's journey shit yeah you're with something in all of our brains sure it's very funny in the american versions with merlin when he gets a crowd to chant all hail king colin hip hip hooray all hail king rider hip hip hooray perfectly mundane name i i uh you know really quick also that reminded me that there's um i was trying to remember isn't one of the doesn't one of the tgif sitcoms have a thing where they go to disney world and then and like i was thinking is it michelle on full house pulls the sword out of the stone and then she's the she's the ruler of the realm and they take it more seriously and she actually gets to issue commands and stephanie's mad uh i was wrong

what it is where they made up a thing that did not exist anywhere else but is a good idea of a show i think they were trying to you know cross promote aladdin so there was a thing where you rubbed a big lamp and if you if you rubbed the lamp and a genie came out then you're the ruler of disneyland oh yeah and that's what they use the float from the aladdin parade at the time i remember this yeah yeah um i had the faintest memory of this and i knew you would have it yep yeah yeah like you were you like something with the something with the ruler of disney i even wonder if the writers were like what if they use what if we use that sword in the stone thing and

they're like yeah but we'd rather you know it needs to be aladdin we're gonna look um which offers a fun little crossover where dj's story is that she really wants to see Steve Scott Winger. Right. And she's like seeing him all over. She sees him as Indiana Jones in the stunt show and she sees him as Aladdin. But he is the voice of Aladdin. He is Aladdin. You get to see the voice dressed as Aladdin.

Whoa. Very special universe collapsing moment. sure uh but they're they're very like they're they're big it's like a lot of legalese even in this episode moment like and you and like this we don't do this all the time i think like a like aladdin chic guy has to say like no we don't ever do this and we won't do it if you at home please don't come come but just to be here come to the don't expect look yeah the magical day is your reward if you're lucky you'll get a royal medallion that that was an older show i saw colin receives the royal medallion dad gets the memory which hit which got a big laugh so that's a joke and that's a joke

and the thing you know what i thought that was your joke and i liked the joke and realizing that that was a yeah hey they were funny and yeah no merlin merlin lands that laugh you would get something though that's the last thing i have that's what you would get a medal and you would get like a royal yeah like can we look and see on ebay well if available? Well, here, look it up. The other joke that I like legitimately is that Merlin implies that, well, first of all, they like the bird will choose who will be taking part in the ceremony and they release the bird and the bird just leaves.

The bird doesn't pick anybody. And that's funny. And then Merlin says like, well, that's all for the better because if the bird picks you you'll know it and he wipes something off of his shoulder solid implication that's yeah the solid joke i think you can cut if you're looking to save money you can cut the bird uh i don't think you necessarily need the bird and the birds are equity so they're well they're getting uh you 17 seeds an hour you can get genuine rare vintage disney world merlin sword in the stone medallion 45 dollars buy it now five dollars shipping and it is like it looks like a solid little piece but you didn't earn it but this is

this is like uh uh this is like harrison hightower, Stolen Valor. Yeah, that's true. I feel like the majesty makers aren't giving out Italians. That's pretty good, though. It says on the back in the royal lettering, like, temporary ruler of the realm. Sure. Which is funny. It's up to you to decide, Brexit.

No deal? Or will you get an extension? Temporary. The next Johniver will be railing about you for 18 minutes oh there's a disneyland one for 295 oh and it's a different design and it just has says sort of the sword in the stone and then on the back it just says disneyland happiest place kind of breaks the reality a little yeah a little less special doesn't say yet doesn't refer to your role in all of this right but there's not many of these on here um there's only like a couple any listeners if you were selected as temporary ruler of the

realm let us know how did your day go did it give you a false confidence did you go back to school after the vacation and yeah are you a jerk to everybody do you feel bad about it give you a false confidence did you go back to school after the vacation and yeah are you a jerk to everybody do you feel bad about it have you atoned have you called the people that you wronged i hope not because uh merlin taught arthur that you should not be cocky and you should not you should think before you act was the big lessons if you're really listening to merlin yeah and a little jerk why were you so why are you so fucking sure of yourself i think merlin too like from my just reading summaries of sword in the stone kind of um uh uh an early not version of genie but had some like self-aware modern gags

in it like you'll even be in movies you know like oh i see mentioning topical topical merlin topical merlin twitter oh topical merlin does he end up in bermuda at some point i feel like that's a joke when he like disappears he like comes to like on a beach i don't remember like i saw that yeah maybe we'll look it up well i guess we did it we did it i guess we talked about starting this for a while we boy you know what uh we managed to do it you survived the ride uh and truly like how could i have been worried about it being a thin episode when it ended up giving me this like i know i know what the next 15 years of my career are and i will when you all uh i will yeah i will feel like temporary ruler of the realm and when everyone's at the hall of at the

hall of max for the big premiere yeah uh wearing holla ties and eating all the popcorn and i'm in development hell trying to get a chantecler project off the ground but you're also over on this broadway this broadway this burbank theater over here playing sean de claire on stage sure so that's somehow i also have to crow at dawn every morning to get the sun to rise in real life it sucks you were you were cursed with his actual duties yes on the surf yeah So you're trying to sell a project. You're playing him on stage. And you are also Chanticleer.

Oh Chanticleer all the time I guess. And you lay the eggs that we eat for breakfast. Yes. Famously rooster laid eggs. Yeah. Right. Well I don't know how animals work. That's the takeaway.

My future is just looking at pictures of adorable cats seats on twitter for the rest of my life sure they're thick seats that's what i'll be doing that's that's another i should probably start the instagram my cat's seat there's no pictures of her face that's how we get them 8 to 80 the 80 year olds we call bottom seats and for the for the young people we spell thick with two c's thick seat thick seat until there's a cooler way to spell seat we will use the traditional yes yeah we have to do that but for now for now um you know hey if you want to hear more of this kind of thing go to our subscribe to our patreon the second gate follow us on twitter facebook uh instagram and all the things

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