Podcast: The Ride - The Timekeeper with Griffin Newman

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

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Old Indiana Jones accents that are advised just fine. And a carcass shot by living carcass, Gerard Depardue. Blank checks Griffin Newman joins us to relitigate a matter from four months ago. And also, at some point, talk about defunct Orlando, Paris, and Tokyo. attraction, the Timekeeper. Get ready, Nine-Eye Stans. It's Podcast the Ride. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, a podcast The Ride, a podcast about theme parks, and hey, we got just one question. Are you ready to rock? Too bad. Our guest doesn't know how. I'll introduce him in a second. I'm Scott Gartner. There's Mike. There's Michaelson. There's Jason

Sheridan. Yeah. We're here. I'm Mike. This is Mike. That's Jason over there. Waited all week for Friday at 12.03 a.m. Way longer. Right? That's what he says in the ride. I don't know. Robin. I watched it. There's a lot of screaming. There's a lot of screaming, which I like in this ride. Does he talk about rock and rolling on the ride at all? I don't think it's a rock and roll-based ride. No, I was just talking about our usual upload schedule. Oh, I see. Sure.

We could argue that Wolfgang Amadeus Maltzer was the original rocker. I think a really cool teacher could make that point to the students that, you know, in a lot of ways, Amadeus Rocks. Well, I don't, that point, we'll have to discuss if that point is a point in favor of a recent theory that's been presented or a recent theory or a declaration, I think, against it was. I will explain what I'm talking about, but first let me explain that our guest today's accidental PTR Legend and Completer Griffin Newman, hello. Okay, so I just riff the bat I want to say.

Yeah. I'm very proud of the two titles I've graduated to in this podcast that you've just listed. Thanks for making one of them short. I can really ram through that. I want to add two more. Yeah, yeah. Right here and now. Mm-hmm.

I present, I guess, for approval from the board, I don't have the power. Well, one of them, in the course of the argument, we recently had Jason throughout one for you, which is Mr. Movies. So if you want, I don't know if that was. going to be one of them, but... Okay, let's put it on the table. All right. He called me Mr. Music recently, too.

And then, yes, well, no, no, it was part of the same. Oh, okay. Well, that was the same. I mean, Greg Turkington might cut your head off, but, you know. I would wear it as a badge of honor. I just want to pitch for the approval of the board. Okay, go ahead. One, I would love to wear roller as a badge of honor.

Oh, right. Rather than as a shame. Oh, right, right. If Mike has conceded that I do roll. He rolls, but doesn't rock. We're going to have to back. up real way for anyone in the rock accusation. Yeah, yeah.

Can I own the rolling? I don't think anybody else is going to compete with you on roller. There's maybe, I think you're going to encounter a lot of confusion as you hear that. Yeah. And here's the other one. This one's maybe conditional based on how this episode goes. I'd like to put forward the notion that if this episode goes, as I hope and pray it will. It's up to all of us.

That I could rise to the level of the train conductor because here's my aspiration today. This episode is going to stay. on the rails. Whoa. Scott was sending texting like, I don't know if we're going to have enough time. Jason's coming back from a trip. You've been traveling. Are we going to have another, the bandwidth to do another record breaking episode?

I said, that's not even my aspiration here today. I'm aiming to do the opposite. Whoa. I want this episode to be on the tracks. We're rolling on the tracks with Mr. Movies. Wow. Wow. You even rolled in a roller bag.

You rolled in a roll in a carry-on luggage roller bag. I wasn't rocking my luggage. I was rolling it. Right, you were rolling it. I was rolling it. That is part of it. Well, look, I'm happy to hear this because I hate tangents, famously. So this is music to my ears.

But, you know, they're, and I have every intention to do so, but I feel like, I, so then were you unhappy when I came in with a little bit of business to go over? We can blame this on me rather than. There's a business to settle. Mostly on the rails. There's a business to settle. We consider that rails. Yeah, yeah.

There's free fun before the plot kicks in, you know. This isn't going to be one of those Griffin Newman. Oh, it takes an hour and a half before they even talk about the thing that the episode's back. You actually let the boys talk this time. Oh. Because Griffin, actually let the boys talk this time. Does anyone else feel like they all hate each other? I was listening to the episode.

I've discovered 300 different combinations in which the boys ate each other and Griffin. I know they claim that all four of them are friends, but every time I listen, I think they're being. abusive to each other. There have been a gaslighting basement, basically, that is aired. Police do come every record now. There's a wellness check. There's a wellness check. To make sure that everything's

okay. And also CPA. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of different people come and make sure everything. Yes, I guess, yeah. CPA is a different thing. Yeah, but they also come. Yeah, that's Jason. CPA comes over here. They're like, are you guys doing something funny with the numbers here? Well, Jason

insists on getting paid in cash after every record. So he has a certified person to come to count each bill. Like he's Chuck Barry after a gig. Want to make sure he gets his money. You're like Chuck Barry in a lot of ways. Let me say that also.

Every way I could think of. Every episode ends with Jason being handed a Samsonite briefcase full of Disney dollars. He counts each one. They still take them. They tell me there's gaining in value. It's better than crypto. You take paper products.

Very well have fan conventions and such. That's true they do. That's right. No, there is some business to settle. Yeah. We're going to get through it quickly. Yeah, no, we did. It can be quick, but I don't think there's any way that you can't bring this up.

And this is the thing on the Patreon if you missed this episode. Mike and Griffin spent a bunch of time together at this year's San Diego. And I have some general comments to say as well, filling in some of the gaps of the Comic Con recap episode. Oh, no kidding. Okay. The Roshamon. There's just a little bit.

I was sitting on some comments. I almost thought about sending a. a voicemail, and I said, I'll have my time. Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, knowing this was coming up pretty soon. But I think the main thing to address is that you guys got into a party, and one of the featured events at this party was

a full concert set by the All-American Rejects. Yes, an hour long. An hour-long set. A long set for a well, Jason? Here we go. All right, right. Teat it up and everything. My, I had heard

separately from Griffin's some of the events that transpired at this concert. It led me to maybe question some of the material that was occurring in this particular music set. I proposed some of this and mentioned the fact that Griffin was not willing to stay for the entire set. Mike's rebuttal was, well, Griffin doesn't know how to rock. Right. Not even. Not even.

Griffin isn't a rocker. Griffin doesn't know how to rock. How to rock. It's a simple. It's a simple statement, but there's a lot in there. I was refusing to rock or choosing not to rock. It was I lack the ability. It's like writing it, like not knowing how to roller skate or something.

Right. Well, I do know how to roll. Oh, yeah. He knows how to rolling as we covered. Yeah, yeah. Well, and this was, let's explain that part two that. You made this accusation, but then you kind of doubled back and doubled back and said, well, I will say this about Griffin that he knows how to roll.

Right. That rolling being because he is a fan of the now deceased. dueling piano bar jelly rolls at the boardwalk hotel and the popular country musician jelly roll and of course and also the popular snack all things roll it's a popular snack

and once again going back the popular Tulsa King guest star Jelly Roll. Oh okay I just wanted to give him that his recent credit something that Mike wouldn't know because he never did the dive he's a pro wrestler as well

and look this is a lot of business but I want to make a clear this episode's going to be really on the tracks we're going to get to the subject really quickly from mr movies in the roller yes uh but yes mike and you know knowing that mike is one of the biggest um proponents defenders champions of the role never being forgotten when discussing rock music that he's one of the few people holding the torch for rock end role music there is nobody who makes sure that the and roll is said anytime that rock is right mentioned. I thought it was one thing I found very fascinating when you said that was the like utter clarity in your mind that role equals dueling piano music. There was no question. Everyone will

understand that definition. It's role, but it's not rock. Does rock mean that I should all let you talk about. But does rock imply guitars is that part of it? But you don't get at the dueling piano bar? I feel rock, the rock part of rock and roll is volume oftentimes. And yes, guitars, especially with obviously an amplifier, that definitely qualifies. The rolling is more rhythm. That's more rhythm-based. And when you get the piano, you know, you're really, in a lot of ways, the piano is a percussive instrument.

People don't always think about that. It's kind of a cool teacher point to make. But it's a lot of, yeah, exactly, it is. If you think about it, the piano's kind of like drums. Everybody's doing the mind-blown. So you've got to do a couple things when you're playing the piano. So, yes, I think of roll is a little more rhythm-based, a little more, I don't know, not as loud.

See, this is interesting because jelly rolls. was plenty loud for me. It was too loud, some might say. I might say. Yeah, but it wasn't the volume of like a full rock and roll concert. Rock and roll shit. Rock and roll would attack you a little bit more. But yeah, what kind of piano would you describe as being the main trade of jelly rolls, RIP?

What do you mean? What kind of piano? You wouldn't just say, oh, it's a piano bar. You're saying what would I call it a rolling piano bar? I think you'd call it a rock piano venue. Would you not? Have you not described what they're doing there as rock, rock piano? There's a lot of Bon Jovi's music playing, and I've always understood him to be a rocker.

You're technically playing rock music. I guess you're right. That's true, but it's not. They're using just only solo piano. I mean, like, does Benfold's rock when he does his solo Benfold shows? I remember seeing some dueling pianos there that night. At where? At jelly rolls?

Oh, yeah. Am I mistaken? Oh, so there were. dueling rock pianos at the place that rolled rhythmically. Are you trying to make an argument that jelly rolls is proof that you not only roll but rock? I'm just saying. I mean, look, this is an interesting. Jelly rolls almost as much as Mike.

This is an exhibit A. It's an exhibit A. This is an interesting philosophical conversation that we're having, okay? And we're not going to have it for that long. No, on the tracks. On the tracks. Yeah, move along. Move along from your dirty little secret.

Move along. Like you know y'all do. Stop giving hell, okay. And then if you could add a couple Chuck Berry songs into this as well, it would be really helpful. You never can tell. Or, yeah, Johnny be good.

Yeah, do it later. Yeah, so, I mean, it's a good point. Like, would, okay, save jelly rolls was dueling rock bands. And they were playing traditional versions of Bon Jovi and all the other songs. as we heard in Orlando. Sounds like

Paradise, first of all. Sounds like my favorite place in the world. I would have loved it just as much, let's be honest. Two Bon Jovi cover bands at once. And they trade off

Bon Jovi covers. Excuse me guys, I have to go jerk off in the bathroom. More of an electric. Well, the one does the chorus of It's my life

and the other does this is a song for the brow well, that is it's my life, isn't it? I'm saying they're splitting. Yeah, I'm not listening.

I'm too busy thinking about rock and roll. So would you have been less attracted to that if it was a full on just traditional rock and roll sounding music wasn't the piano aspect sort of the novelty of it? And wasn't that that drew you in? I would agree that the novelty of it being a rock piano venue is what drew me in. I don't feel like I have the same level of excitement of, you know, New York City is lousy with your kind of old Broadway belter piano bars.

Sure. And I like those places all right. Yeah. I frequented them from time to time, but they didn't draw me in with the same kind of like burning excitement as jelly rolls. I think the rock has to be considered here. Okay. Can I just say, I think it's interesting that we have created a kind of a narrowed down argument where the only way to prove the Griffin rocks is either based in jelly rolls or the initial criteria of not wanting to watch the single concert by the All-American Regents. I feel like there must be some other proof out there that Griffin knows how to rock.

I'm building my case here. Does it have to be one of these two venues? Let me build my case here. Okay. Okay. Now I have a case. Okay. The train's now progressing to the next station.

Right. Okay. Comic Con Wednesday. Preview night. We arrived. Mike and I spent a lot of time together. Yes. I should mention Mike tells me where he is by the neck of booth where he's want to be.

Yes. And I'm just lingering. I come meet him there. Just caressing toys from behind. Yeah. Mike took his wedding, Greg. He looked at upcoming toys. Mike is like standing holding.

court I don't yeah I mean we're a couple people it wasn't like there was a crowd of 30 it was like a Bernie Mac death jam set people are just waiting on Mike's every word and he's just kind of standing back like a cool guy with his arm crossed throwing off zinger saying hey Griff you might want to check out that case over there I've already scanned all the new product reveals I know what everyone's going to like too so I'm like somebody I'm running somebody to go take a look over there we spend most of Wednesday together right I know our buddy Mitch is going to be getting into town on Thursday. Yes.

Thursday I'm escaping to go see Fantastic Four. Mike's escaping to go to the Blues Brothers panel. Yes. That's when I saw Dan Aykroyd. Right. I had to see Fantastic Four to a fairly far away theater primarily because it was the only one almost on the border of Mexico that was playing the movie in IMAX 3D, which was a priority for me because had to see the fire and ash trailer in IMAX 3D. This is all part of my calculation. Wow.

You're a lucky man. Looks fucking unbelievable. Teared up watching it, right? So then I come back, the group I'm with went to the movie, we're going and getting dinner like a block away from where the fandom party is. And I'm trying to keep tabs on Mitch who's just getting in and I want to see Mitch who I haven't seen. Can I bring this real quick? You said, do you want to get dinner before the party? You sent me an address of a place that was like 10 miles away.

And I said, this doesn't really make sense. And then about an hour and a half later you went, oh, wait a minute, we're eating a block away. Yes. No. I got it wrong. I got a rock, right? But I'm like, I'm like a block away. No, I'll take that.

Okay, fair enough. It was an even older spaghetti factory. We're eating, no, Griff, you tighten older spaghetti. The ancient spaghetti. We're just eating at old spaghetti. Yeah, yeah. But so I'm like, Mike, I'll come when we're done with dinner, right? And we're like trying to touch base with Mitch and for him to meet us there.

There's a lot of stuff going on. People, it's hard to navigate all the people. people at Comic-Con. So I get to this party late. I show up, I run into one person I know, and then I very quickly find Mike and Lindsay. We're having a conversation, right? Yes. But I have not, like, established, like, ten different pockets of, like, who else I know is here, right?

Right. You've come right before the performance. Like, truly, like, 20 minutes until the performance starts. And I'm just sort of like, oh, it's, like, funny that all American rejects are playing a set here. A fatal mistake, I realize that that's my attitude. towards this party, whereas Mike and Lindsay both seem equally locked into the idea that, like, we are at an all-American rejects concert. The party seems secondary, right?

Yeah, yeah. And they start playing, and I forget when they said the end time for the party was. But, like, when they started playing, I was like, so are they going to play like 20 minutes and then the party's over? You know, it was like, I can't remember if they said, like, oh, the party goes so 10, 30 or 11 or whatever was. But I was like, so they're going to do a quick set And then I guess they're going to kick all of us out here

I'm trying to get my free drinks while I can Right, that's true, that's true. If you knew how to rock, you'd know the rock sets often go north of 50 minutes. So Mike is texting us, Mitch, and is like, how late is the party going? Should I still come meet you guys? And I was like, I don't know. They make it sound like it's going to end in like 15 minutes. Yes.

Cut to 40 minutes later. I've been watching 40 straight minutes of All-American Rejects. Here's what's going on during that. Mike and Lindsay are locked the fuck in. They are like just like holding on every song jumping up and down. I sent you a video. They're just like living their lives. Yes, Lindsay yelled, I'm going to live forever.

That's right. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, the two friends I have at this party are so all in on what's happening on stage. Yes. This now feels like it is going to go on indefinitely. that I might be halfway through a full-length All-American Rejects concert. A band I will admit, I have no fondness for it whatsoever.

But I thought they were going to do a 15-minute set and play the two songs I knew. I was like, okay, I'll stand by and watch this. Then the line will go back to talking, right? Anytime I try to say something to Mike or Lindsay, they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then go back to watching the concert. So I'm just like nursing a fucking Mike's Heart Lemonade.

Which was the sponsor of the party. Now it's harder. The lemonade is harder now. And you did your job. You attended the party and you've since plugged them on a podcast. Right. It's okay. I took some free yellow glasses from them.

The lemonade's harder. The rocks even harder than that. Watching them watch a concert basically. And Mitch is texting. He's like, I don't think it's worth me coming over. I might head back to my hotel because it's a little further outside of town. And I was like, you know what?

Here's my decision. I'm leaving this fucking concert. Mitch is across the street. I'm going to get a nightcap with him. You chose friendship over Rock. This isn't what someone knows how to rock. I get tired and feathered as a guy who doesn't know how to rock. Yes, the story you just told, any reasonable person would hear and say he does not know how to rock, no more evidence needed.

I should say, by the way, that I ran a poll on our social media. Do you think Griffin knows how to rock? It was determined that people do believe you know how to rock, although the margin was thin. I think I have a capacity. I'm not saying I'm like an undeniable rocker, but even a thin margin, I think, is correct. Like, how does this give you all the ammo you need to say that Griffin does definitively does not know how to rock? Well, I, look, here's what I, let's start, what do I mean by that? Let's talk about that.

This is not the main topic of the episode we have. No, it's not. This is not the main topic. This is on the trail. Very funny, because you were texting some controversial opinions earlier today. You consider my theme park opinions. Oh, your timekeeper, I think. Well, you, your child, it seems like your childhood versus my child.

you might be surprised about where this is going actually. Oh, okay. Yeah, but yes, this is, the first way I've covered an actual theme park attraction in a long time. Years. Yes, yeah, yeah, right. Griffin is talking theme parks. Once we are, no, no, not once, we are on the treks. We are. Look ahead, audience, to where the tracks are going.

You see the timekeeper attraction. We're going to cross a state line. From the early 90s, Disney attraction. It's just over the Mexico border. This was a party that had an Epic Universe sponsorship. Yes. I remember it was Mike's hired Epic Universe, so we're all already in a theme part of the art of the universe yeah harder epic universe all the uh but mike doesn't say any of this to me on the night we spend most of the next four days like tied together side by side yeah yeah we were spent with a secret in a white lotus type fashion one of the partners

on this vacation is holding a deep dark secret a real dirty little secret you cannot move along move along from a week later you text me we are recording mike has accused you of not knowing how to run. That's how I found out. No, I thought it for days to get. E's very strange for a full hour set at like a sponsored Comic-Con party. Starting late when there was an out-time

advertised at the party. I was like, they're going to kick us out any minute now and they're playing like fucking unreleased tracks now. Because there's hotel rooms around it. People would like to get to bed. People are trying to get to bed. They paid a lot. That is a statement that shows that Jason does not know how to run.

Jason does not know how to rock. I have never claimed I do. Of the three of these guys, you know the least. Griffin might not be Bon Jovi, but he's at least Bon Jovi's son married to 11. That did kind of rock. Maybe he says it's not a rock and statement. That was a rockin fact. Okay.

But what you meant? Here's the thing. I was on the throes of the novel coronavirus. You were. was maybe I spoke too soon. Maybe I said some things that I shouldn't have because they were hurtful and harmful. But I said them and I have to own up to them. And then I have to analyze what was it that I was thinking? What did I mean by that? I was definitely not into the concert. Like you're not wrong to look at me sitting there on my phone. Right. With a mic's

hard just being like, where's they a video? I have a video. We make it a referendum on the band in general. But if you didn't know in a lot of concerts, even if you would end up liking the band down the road. If you don't know what you're getting when you're on the way into the country. Mike's got an All-American Rejects the Pruder film. I gave a thumbs up. The video starts to me looking down at my phone and then I'm caught and I'm

like, good. I'm like turning to the camera. It kind of looks like a video of Mike on living with the land. Well, I was getting a fast pass. That is, that's what I felt. I was getting a fast pass to get drinks with Mitch. That's what I was, I was

booking my next reservation. Which was sitting in a quiet bar where All-American Rejects. You weren't living with the All-American Rejects. Talking to my friend. I'm a friend. I think that to truly be a rocker, you have to be ready to rock at almost any moment. And in any scenario, with almost any band, cover, real band, or this is just what I seal. This has been the mic argument, because Mike's standard of music is any music.

Well, that's standard. Because we would still have rankings. The rankings would make sense. And I actually feel our rankings would be very similar if we talked. It's just that I also, I can enjoy Taco Bell and I can enjoy some sort of five-star chef's version of tacos. That's right. It does not knockout. Yeah, it's not either or.

You just, you like at all. You're very accepting in this way. I got really worried for a second. There was a 2000s punk pop band called Taco Bell. I didn't know that. That you were throwing that out. They were like kind of a hybrid of ska and pop punk. I will fully concede that you know how to rock harder than I do because of what you just said, right?

Wow. Okay, sure. That you are at the drop of a hat, you're ready to rock. I can be ready to rock right now. I can be ready to go. If there's a band out of the band marched in here. If I was outside right now, a band that I've never listened to a full album of. I can barely remember the single.

But if they were outside playing a show, I'm ready to rock. I will also concede that I'm a selective rocker. You're a select shirt. When I texted you mid-record, I said, if it wasn't. present modern day guns and roses playing I would be rocking and you said to me are you saying that you specifically and exclusively like modern day guns and roses and I was like no the point I was trying to make is this isn't me being a snob yes right you could go to a modern guns and roses concert which is probably not let's we I don't really know but it's probably not as good

as a guns and roses concert 30 years ago I have seen three different eras of guns and roses play I've been to a Buckethead era concert. I'm jealous of that. I know. That's my area. A post bucket head show where the band suddenly had 47 members where it became like fucking everyone sharp for the magnetic zeros. You can't find Angel era.

And then I've been to the modern era where it's like slash and Duff and Axel are back together flanked by three guys I've never heard of him. We'll never know the same. Right? So I was just like. Anything that sounds like Guns and Roses. Didn't you attend the final kiss concert? Is that true fact?

I went to the last kiss concert ever at Madison Square Garden. I bought an overpriced jacket that I will never be able to wear in public. I walked out with it, put it on, and was just like, I can never wear this. But it has fucking MSG. They're coming out of MSG. It's Nick's colors. It's the gaudiest jacket I've ever seen. I got so caught up in the rock of the moment.

Wow. That's a pretty good thing. Okay. I mean, I'm comfortable saying you're a selective. rocker. Yeah. I'm comfortable with that. That's all I want.

By a narrow margin. It seems like that's all I'm looking for you. I will apologize for saying you didn't know how to rock blanket. Yeah. I will say you're a selective rocker. By a narrow margin, I do know how to rock. You do know how to rock. But you choose your moments to rock.

You pick and choose your moments to rock. You're not a rock and roll slut. I'm not like I am. Now, I am rolling constantly. Wow. You know, there's been a lot of nicknames thrown out recently. I would really like Mike the rock and roll slut. I've never said slut on the show before, but in context of this, I think it's appropriate. I hope that one sticks.

Now, if I can just close the loop on Comic-Con business before this train-affirce across the state lines into the time key. Would it also, can I just say really quick, would it be fair to call Jason the sausage slut? Whatever if you want to make that an umbrella meat situation, I know that's a very suggestive sounding crazy. Is there any kind of sausage you don't fuck with? Not that I've met.

Okay, so then I'm ready to sausage at all times. I was going to say Mike's, Mike is a self-for-gating slut, but I'm clearly the cuntiest member of the podcast. All right. Well, you're certainly, you've been serving it for a long time. Oh, I've been serving it. I've been reading some of these park rides to filth for years. You know what I'll also, I've been telling people, Jason Sheridan kind of is the moment. Thank you for that eight-year-old, alexig.

When people were asking, you would say that. Jason Sheridan, you will always be famous. I just, on the subject of nicknames, I could not believe it. I know he was in the throes of the novel coronavirus. Yeah. But you made a tastemaker joke at Mike's expense in the episode. Yes. Mike did not say to you guys that.

It's on a newer episode. Okay. But yes, go ahead, please. Two different people. Okay. So the same gentleman who we, who we. It was one gentleman, two times. It was the same gentleman who made that comment and that we saw at Joe's Crab Shack.

Interesting. Yes. And he's, yes, he mentioned, I should look up his name. But on the first day. So the audience at this point has heard Mike and Craig about this. I just want people to know that I, that happened. Okay. Someone just walked by pointed and went taste maker.

But the taste Mike is making at Joe's Crab Shack is a blue curassale drink where you take the shark of Grenadina dump it into the drink. The drink. to drink the shark bite. Yeah, the shark bite. We all know the shark butt. I did not drink. Griffin tried to get me to drink. I was just too tired at that point.

Last chance to get a souvenir glass. Apparently it was because I was sick with the COVID. Well, I wasn't, I wasn't testing positive yet, but I was sick with the novel coronavirus. Thank you. So that's probably why I was like, I can't, I'm too tired to drink right now. The last thing I want to put out, and I just, I don't know if this has been discussed in an episode since. But I think this is important Mike lore. And it was going back to the second or third time we walked around.

neck of booth and Mike held court. You're just kind of playing himself there. The original king of figure comedy. I don't know if that's going to sell. That's a hot item. You know what they should make. Love the sculpt on this. He kept pitching things to Trevor,

and you could tell that Trevor couldn't discern which things were bits and which things were real. Well, that's a problem with me, with a lot of things in me. Right. You can't tell what's real. I can. It's, Mike the Rock and Rolls slut is real.

Well, that is real. I went to the Nassel booth. They have those Trek figures. When are they going to make Jonathan Frakes directing an episode? Real. I just want Freaks half out of his costume directing an episode. Oh, yeah. That's, yeah.

Oh, ooh. That's the noise I make when I hear my thought. He's ready to rock at all times and he's ready to frake at all times. Mike will also, the way he holds up the finger when the song is playing. Oh, yeah, yeah. He will walk by a case, see something, hold up a finger and just go. black and white variant of the sports biker mice from Mars

and I turned to Justin Donaldson I said I can't tell if that's a positive and negative for me either maybe he hasn't decided yet I haven't decided necessarily yeah that's what he said he said I haven't decided yet he just gets excited about stuff I think that is a year and there's something to that and I there's something to this

way that you live Mike where you're ready to rock at all times the way that you live and where you just know you have a feeling about something and maybe you haven't categorized it as good or bad and how being willing to take risks like that you probably end up with more that you categorize as good just because you were excited to have a reaction at all. So we're standing

by the neck of booth. He's holding a court right and he's talking about how he went into this trip not wanting to buy much. Yes. Yes. But he walked by the Mondo booth and had a 12 inch figure of rogue in her Savage Land outfit from X-Men.

Go ahead. Which is her basically in like a jungle woman shredded. Jason knows exactly what we're talking about it's an iconic look. She's stuck in a savage land with dinosaurs. You see her belly? You see her midriff? Bear midrifts. In X-Venn 97, it makes an appearance.

It's a little kind of like Jane from Tarzan after she's submitted to the jungle life. These are unfortunate results of a bunch of jungle mischief. Giant hair, right? And Mike's like, I just walked by and I couldn't control myself. I had to pre-order. It's more money than I want to spend. He's going to take this place if I couldn't. He's like scratching his thighs when he's saying this, right?

And then within like 10 minutes, he makes some dismissive comment about these perverts who walk by the neck of booth and get all horned up over April O'Neal. And he goes, well. She is chaste. She is honorable. Yeah, I think it was the, forgive me, my memory is that I was making a point about the people who are very horned up about April. And then I said, but I have to be honest. Okay, sure. Sure.

Right. I got horned up and bought a rogue figure. I think he's right. I will grant you that. But it was the interesting comparison, right? Where it was like you could not control. You were getting physically like overheated even. So some of the guys, April was like they were like, that's my girlfriend or like I'm feeling.

I was like, no, April's like my mom's friend. Like I want just to hang out with the turtles. I don't hang out with April. I needed him to repeat for you guys. Okay. April's my mom. mom's friend. And he starts like, he's nice lady, but he starts working through it slowly. And he's like, I think I met April when I was six. I met her when I was eight. Well, it's a little older,

like, 10 probably. But you were just like the difference of like seeing her as an adult lady my mom's friends with versus seeing her as a young woman. Yeah, yeah. I never see April that way. People met April at all kinds of times. There's been, there's been 50 iterations of April and you can meet any of those at any time. He's talking through his personal experience with this solely, right? He's not speaking empirically. He's just. Just talking about his personal relationship to these two characters. Yes. And these perverts who ogle the curves of an April O'Neill sculpt.

He said, that's not what it's about for me. Right. Never. Right. But I have to admit, Rogue gets me hot and bothered. And you're talking about the mom's friend versus. And I didn't use that phrase, but that was the sentiment. Older crush kind of thing, right?

Yeah. And then I watched something crystallizing, Mike, for the first time. Do you want to repeat it or should I? Oh, my. Well, you know what? I have mentioned, have I mentioned it on this show before? I had never heard this from you before. Okay.

I can't remember if I've, I've said this on Mike or not, is that I do realize that when I opened an X-Men comic, I can find the issue, I forget exactly what it is, and I was attracted to Rogue, I realized that a big part of the attraction to Rogue was that her powers, which are, you're not allowed to touch your skin or you will, like, die, basically. Which she can control that. Well, that's new stuff, but not in the old year. Now when he met her, you couldn't touch rogue's skin. So that made it very safe for me because I could never touch rogue. Rogue being the one that he's sexually worked up over is it inextricably tied to the fact that baked into the premise of her existence is nothing's going to happen. It can't.

It cannot. It cannot happen. It would hurt her if you try, she'll never try anything funny with you. She can't. She would be mean. If she would have turned evil if she does. She wouldn't do that to me. The most gentlemanly thing you can do with rogue.

Right. It's not. Keep your nothing. Don't make any funny moves. I just thought this was a huge revelation. Yeah. We're just going to roll right by discussing meeting fictional characters in various ages. The rollers here.

When I met her, yeah, is it perfectly normal. Does not need commentary. She was my mom's from. concerned mice got to get like a profile in rolling soda the new yorker of like the psychosis of talking about the chat gp t that convinced chat gpt it was savage land rogue yeah savage land rogue convinced me to go meet her in an apartment you're actually you're magneto michael you're a very thin layer of magnetic energy over your body so you can touch rogue i'm not magnet Well, I'm not.

Sometimes you're good and you're tall. Magneto's tall. He's a married man and he's not Magneto. Right. There's two things I know about me. But he is a rock and roll slut. But he is one. So with that, I mean, to tie things back together, I would say,

because I think we like this thing of, and, you know, pick your poison. I like the people walk by Mike now and sly say, hey, it's the chase maker. But I would love to throw rock and roll slut into that mix. It'd be great. Just only if my parents are around, don't say that. But other than that. But just the, in passing, not even slowing down

snap and point tastemaker. Yeah. It's nice. It has to be on the go. That is the rules of it. It has to be you have to do these comments. On the tracks, you see. Keep going.

Fischag and chugged chugged chugged chugged chugged down. Just as we were with that stretch of time. That was the quickest amount of time we could have done to, yes. If you see Jason go, it, Chuck Berry. No, no, keep it on the tastemaker in the bar. Rock and roll slot. Not for the music for the other stuff. No!

His work is a cinematographer. Mike? Jesus. That's probably my favorite D.P. of all time. He's provocative in a way that so many filmmakers aren't. It's often fake and contrive, but Barry was chasing the reel. And he works with natural lighting only. You can't say it's angles that you'd be surprised to see.

Okay, so all of that succinctly handled. It is now time to get to something that has been kicked down the curb a number of times. And I know this because we were so close to this episode happening that I even started to do research. Yeah. I had a document open when we talked about this a while back. This Google Doc was last opened on Halloween 2022. Yeah. That is how long.

I was trying to remember, it was at some point in, like, maybe peak a lockdown. Wow. There was an episode where I think a comment was made about Circle Vision. Okay. And, like, how much did anyone ever care about Circle Vision? Was that ever really that exciting? Okay, yes. There was some kind of derisive comment about Circle Vision.

Right. And I feel like I just immediately text you guys. And I was, like, Timekeeper. Yeah. If time, I just want dibs on Timekeeper. And for years now, it has been like, anytime I'm going to be in L.A., we, like, set a time in a day. And we're like, and I guess it's probably timekeeper this time. And then some emergency piece of business comes up.

Some shifting of priorities. We have to do bar rescue. There has to be an animated show about us pitched. Which, by the way, just to let all the listeners know, development's been a little stalled out. Yeah, yeah. Stay alive till 29. It is forever. The industry's in a weird place.

No, no, no. No, it's no, it's merger. It's just not selling right now. I'm just so good. Yeah, yeah. But it veers a little, it's kind of in a little bit of an anti-Trump territory. And so they're worried about, you know, with Skydance and all. So, you know, we may have to remove that component.

Right. It's all feeling good. But no, it finally brings us to this. It brings us to the timekeeper. I feel like I need to be sort of a kind of a nark. And maybe I think this is one. And I think this is, I'm sure to a ton of people listening, this is like an obvious, beloved, of course, the timekeeper. But I also think there might be people listening who don't really remember, because if you're like, if you're a younger person, if you were not at the parks in the early 90s or the late 90s, early 2000s when this was open.

I feel like you may not know this thing. Would it be fair to do a really quick synopsis of the thing at the topic? Absolutely. Yeah. Buck wild after that. Okay. The Timekeeper. The Timekeeper was a open in the early 90s across a couple of the Disney parks.

It is a now defunct attraction in which a robotic inventor, the Timekeeper, voiced in America by Robin Williams, takes you on a wild ride through time. Now, in the conceit of the attraction, you are not actually traveling through time, the room that you are in, but you were seeing the POV, the perspective of a different robot named Nine Eye, who is voiced by Rio Perlman in America. Rio Perlman, a robot with nine eyes, and you view her nine perspectives from nine screens which circle all the way around you, which give you a 360 view of what nine I sees as she takes you all through history, mainly through the history of France. And that's sort of those are basics, so I just want to make sure to get that out. It was kind of, it was a centerpiece of the 1994 new Tomorrowland project, which I think we're all very fond of. But all of the France in it is kind of a giveaway that it was made originally for Euro-Disy. as it was called then, outside of Paris, a key piece of discovery land,

which is their, what they call tomorrow land. So, if that cliff notes it, why did it call out to you so much as a something you had to call dibs on, which no one has fought you on? So, Jason, was your projection that I didn't care about this

attraction much as a child versus you had a particular fondness for this? Well, no, I was, I think this is one that kind of got all of us excited. Mike, maybe you didn't see it. Did you see it when you were... I don't believe I ever saw it.

Okay. Okay. But three of us were, me Scott and Griffin were me like Timekeeper. Helly yes. Yeah. You know, we're buried in a I already forget the character's name. Saturdaysland Rogue. Great. Okay. Great. Great. Yeah. Um, uh,

no, I was, you were saying you think that original French one might be the better version. Which I had not seen until this morning. I hadn't seen it until yesterday either. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So this is not a, you were not, because, you know, we know you've been to Disneyland Paris a bit, but it's not that you grew up with that. You saw it in Orlando. Yeah. I've now, my brother lives in Paris. So I go out to visit him fairly regularly. And now I've been doing basically annual Disneyland Paris trips. Wow.

And my mother took me there once before my brother was born. Mm-hmm. He's three years younger than me. And obviously, a human pregnancy takes about nine months. So I'm like, my mom must have taken me when I was two or younger. Okay. Oh, no, you would not have. So you would not have had.

The other thing was, it was rained out. She would always show me a photo of me wearing Mickey, like, rain slicker when I was, like, three to nine or whatever. And be like, I took you to Disney. You can't say I haven't taken you to Disney. You don't remember we went And it was raining and all the rides were shut down There's like a faint half memory of doing Dumbo in the rain

For wearing this rain coat right But I basically had this one photo of it From when I was like two years old And then my brother's born And then for years I'm like obsessed with the idea Of going to the theme parks And I was obsessed with inside Disney World Was that the name of the show

That Disney World Inside Out Yes Disney Channel show For half the run hosted by George Forman among us My era. Yeah. Okay. My dad was a big boxing guy.

So he would watch the show with me, not because he cared about theme perks because he liked George Foreman. So like, this is what he's doing now? I remember my dad doing the same and going like, this is so strange to me because this was the scariest guy I could ever imagine. And now here he is like, well, Typhoon Lagoon. It's like we send him out and he has funny reactions to things. I'm wearing a big hat.

This is crazy. But it was the same thing. Right. My dad loves boxing. And he's just like, you don't understand. People used to be like, think of it. of this guy, like he was a serial killer. Yeah, yeah.

Like, he was like a supernatural, like, force of danger. Yeah. And it's right. ABC sitcom around that time as well. Right before he starts the grill. Like, the grill, once that happens, it's like, of course George Foreman is a guy who will go out and push anything and pitch anything. Sure.

But that Disney inside and out, I feel like, was kind of the falcon point there. Peace in the Switch. So I'm watching that show, like nonstop. It's my favorite show. have to, you know, be plugged in front of the TV for every new episode. And for years, it's my placebo when I'm not getting to go to these parks. And a way to find out what everything is. Yes.

So that when you're there, you can hit the ground running and go. So there's this and there's this and there's this. And this is, I think, down seasonally. But this, they're refreshing. It's going to be better when it opens. Exactly. Now, part of this is that I'm watching these shows that go through in every episode a couple different attractions, and they tell you a little bit about the signs, but they show you

clips, right? They're like ride through clips. There's like pre-show clips. They're showing you pieces of it. When I finally get my family to go to Orlando, I think in 96 or 97, there was this feeling that sunk in. I was kind of working through this as I was re-watching Timekeeper. There was this feeling that sunk in of like, oh, I think in my child's mind, having seen these clips. I've spent years dreaming about what happens in between the clips. And there was a minor disappointment that I, I dared not verbalize at the time of like, oh, most of these things are like three minutes long. By the time I'm getting on them. And I'm watching the show and I'm watching the reruns and everything. A lot of this has been spoiled for me. Oh, sure. Okay, okay. Right.

And timekeeper, it's like 20 honkin minutes long. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I don't remember how much I knew about it going in but I'm watching this and I'm putting myself back in that space and I'm like I must have been getting so excited minute by minute of oh my god this thing is still happening I had no idea what this was going to be I barely none of that footage I had the same thing I forget if how much or if at all they featured it on that inside out show but I remember going in pretty blind it was not one of those where like oh I've seen promo footage I recognize you know a verne on the train or whatever it is. If you told me as a kid, there's like a fucking robot Robin Williams time traveling show

movie, right? Yeah. I would have been like, that sounds great. And I feel like that's probably all that Disney World Inside Now told me. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then I'm going there and I'm like, this thing's got like an arc. This thing goes long.

And it's very, it's very grand. It's got movement. It is definitely a film. Yes. Nine times over. It is a film. Yeah. I also think I was.

a scaredy cat in a way that you guys can remember well I guess not Jason who's an ultimate sausage slut and I'm a brave oldie am brave boy but like the rush I think you described feeling from extraterrestrial encounter which I yeah fascinated by but way too terrified to go on at that point in time right across the way though these are almost like related yeah I think I got that kind of excitement at the the idea the technology of what this thing was but it felt very safe and comforting right yes And it's like, there aren't going to be any thrills here.

Nothing's going to upset me. You might get a little dizzy in one moment, maybe. But then you steady yourself on the lean-to-s, whatever you call them. I can't stand here for 20 minutes. Your stuff is going to happen gently. A little concern about is Joel Fern going to get back in time for the presentation? Yeah. And I think they kind of allude to it.

But it's like, we've got a time machine. It doesn't matter when he gets back, you know. Yeah, yeah. I could deal with those kinds of stakes. It was always just even when I'd like, I'd watch this show and they'd talk about like, honey, I shrunk the audience, right? I'm like, I love those movies. This seems like a fun thing to do. And then I'm like sitting down the theater and I'm like, the part with the rats is that going to scare me?

You know? I've like, so many of these things have been spoiled for me in a way where I'm psyching myself out at the fear of the beats that I know are coming. Yeah. And this felt like I have no idea what to expect outside of just the basic pitch of it, which I'm all in. Yeah. As a kid, it's like, I loved robots. I loved time travel. I loved Robin Williams.

Yeah. When you realize that's what you're getting all at once. My God. I feel like I may have gotten to walk into that room in a way where I didn't even know Robin Williams was part of this attraction. I think somehow maybe that wasn't spoiled for me. So that's really something to just get that voice cold. Do you recall, Jay's? Do you know how much you knew?

Or was this like off the track enough? to use our episode terminology. I can't really recall. It might have been spoiled that he was in there, but I don't think I knew who Ria Perling was until a few years later when taxi hit Nick a night. But I think anytime I was doing Alien Encounter would probably pop over to Timekeeper 2 and vice versa.

Or if one was too long, well, pop in the other one. Worse case, probably just walk on the people mover. Sure, sure. Well, you've got, it's also, so it's like an exciting time, and this is very much focusing on the Disney World one, although as I said it was, you know, it created a few years prior for your Disney. But the way it landed in Disney World, it's, I mean, this Tomorrowland 94 was really remarkable aesthetically, and it felt like there was a story to the entire thing. The People mover becomes the Tomorrowland Transit Authority. It's like a, you know, it's not just some like arbitrary ride. It's like a, you know, this is like a train that's actually. actually taking you through a true city. What is the premise of the alien encounter is a teleportation hub, but that place is called, is it like a, it's an expo center or something? That's the exos center. I think this was the metropolitan convention center signs.

It's on the sign outside. Initially, I think, before I ever got to it, I think it was called the Transporatorium. Okay. And then elsewhere, the Visionarium. The visionary. But then this has also been the visionarium at times and places. Yeah, maybe.

I'm confused by the names, honestly. The Tokyo one seems to have been the visionarium. Yeah, yeah. I think so. Yeah, or was that one just called the timekeeper time after time? I mean, it says on the YouTube video for Tokyo, it says visionary. Yeah, okay.

But this is that you have, like, that they've thought through that it's not just, here's a ride you walk into, that they've thought through, like, we are building a city, so what would this building be that would be hosting that little extra bit of mythology

just really did it for me. There's like a five foot tall fake standing outside that says what you'll see inside. Oh really? Oh, I kind of wait. It's sort of like, is it of the timekeeper?

Yeah, of the timekeeper. It kind of looks like an old, like, expo sort of turn of the century but sci-fi kind of poster. Steam punky in the way that a lot of things were. Which eventually people would be like, oh, when downsides this ride, doesn't have a Disney characters, which I think is always so condescending when they're like, there's no characters no one recognized, because I love that this was exclusive to theme parks. Absolutely. This may have been like a birth of that line of interest for me is that you can go into this one room and it's this mythology you only know about if you're in here.

And so much of it's like, Ron Williams has given me a really clean handle to get in on this character. Yes, but you know what he's selling. The reason I jumped on this episode is this trip, you know, I'm like seven, my dad announces like, we're going to Disney World in a year. I'm like promising you we're going to book a trip, right, and we're going to do it right. And in that ensuing year, my mom gets Lyme disease. Wow. So the first time we go to Disney as a family, my mom is like incredibly ill.

I forget, I forget if we've talked about this on Mike or not, but that you, it's all under, Like she's like, she's barely getting through. So there's like, there's drama and things. My, my sister is not born yet. Uh, and it's my brother and I and my dad is taking us around. And my mom is just staying in the hotel room every day. And it just felt like we do the parks. I have the greatest time of my life.

We come back to the hotel room. My mom would just be lying with her eyes closed in a hotel room with all the lights off. Oh, God. And it felt very like Dickensian. You know, it had this vibe of just like, she's consumption, you know? Like, some old time disease, she's got the vapors or whatever it is, but just her being like two weak to rise out of bed. And so the plan very quickly became,

she's only going to have the energy to do the last day, and we have to just pick our favorite things. I think my dad kind of gamified it as, like, we're scanning out our favorite things to show Mommy at the end of the trip. So the last trip, we rent a wheelchair, we get Disney dollars as part of the rental, which was thrilling to me.

My dad was like, this is free merch money. This is going straight into buying toys, right? Yeah. But the reason this attraction is, like, held so close in my heart is I just distinctly remember, this is the thing I picked that my mom had to see. I was, like, my number one thing of the trip, my first time in Orlando, my first proper Disney trip was the timekeeper.

She's got to fucking see the timekeeper. This thing is on fire. And so even these other times we've come close to doing it, I've never rewashed it in full. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, why did this kind of explode my brain? And there are pieces of what I get, but there are other parts of it that are a little odd. And then I queued up the French version, not understanding the French version was the first version. Yeah. Which makes a lot of sense that this comes out of the Jules Verne sort of version of 12.

Which is a heavier component in Discoveryland. Right. It's in the mix, I'd say, in the Disney World Tomorrowland. But the Paris version of that is like the full, pure. version of that and like this big burst of 90s development and that Michael Eisner feels really bullish about this sold this as like one of the centerpieces yeah yeah and the thing like this is you know if there's the concern uh in the media about are we coming in with a bunch of american trash right and and like one of the big ways he's saying it's not that is we've created

this like extremely French extremely European film with big major French actors and you know like very much devoted to French history like this this just feel like we are we're presenting culture to you not just roller coasters and stuff yeah I'll also say like my mom is French and I think there was probably some factor of me seeing this thing without her and being like French stuff right yeah yeah yeah I'm feeling connected to her she's in the hotel room and I'm also like like I just remember like running into my parents bedroom and being like mom Disney's just announced their 40 second animated film is the hunchback of Notre Dame.

Like just anytime there was any Disney thing that touched on French culture in any way, I was just like, Mom, it's all happening for us. Did you, when Keenan was Pierre S. Cargo, were you excited? Thrilled, and I call my mom in, and she just stand in the room, she'd go,

I don't see what's funny about it. These are the translations? No, she was, like, offended. She was like, I don't think that's funny. Oh, wow. And then she did the exact Same thing when Keenan did. Similar character. What was the character?

It was not Jean Valjean. It was Jean Cajon. Right, yes. Who was like the French Def Jam comedian. Right, right, right. And my dad and my brother and I'll be laughing hysterically. I just don't think it's well written. Wow, wow.

Never like some mild French ribbing. No. I don't have nearly that level of stakes, as you do. I think that story is wonderful. But I do remember, I definitely flashed to my mom with this. big time because she was a teacher, I think getting back into it around this time, I forget when she switched careers and then like was helping out at school a lot and very like invested in early education and then became full on teacher after that. And so it did feel like,

this was a great, it was one of my second trip with the family in 94. So I'm nine or so. And she's like the educational interests are coming back. And that you got to. Epcot where there's a bunch of stuff with Bill Nye who she's off she's identified as like this is great there's entertainment that you can watch there's science stuff for you on it and like and she got to meet him years later at some educational conference and flipped out about that and then this that like wait a minute in in Magic Kingdom there's an educational attraction there's something about history but with a sci-fi component you like back to the future this I just remember like my mom and I coming out all smiles this is our thing together it's a very mom

attraction. I think you're hitting on another thing here, which is my mom was really overprotective of what I watched as the first kid growing up. And so it was like a lot of PBS. It was like a lot of 90s edutainment. Puzzle place. Wishbone. Absolutely.

But if there was anything that could involve some sense of academia with comedy, if there was a little layer. Carmen San Diego, a big one. I don't know if that was still. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. But like, if you could put a little irreverent comedy, if you could put some Beakman on there. Bill Nye, absolutely.

Yeah. So I think this is like, maybe some people, you read about the mixed response it got every time it opened in New Park. Oh, man. I think I was just so primed to be like, it's great, you're learning while you laugh. Whereas other kids are like, I'm on vacation.

Why is there like fucking school shit happening for 20 minutes? And this will never happen again, by the way. You remember all that bullshit about how Guardians of the Galaxy is going to teach you about the Big Bang? What they created was

maybe my favorite attraction in Disney World now, but that is it. That is a bunch of crap. Well, it started the concept. The concept was Big Bang when they had the idea for the ride and then tacked the IP on and they got rid of anything educational.

Yeah, yeah, yes. It teaches you a lot about the Celestials. Yeah. That's education. And about rock and roll. And about rock and roll. And about 80s, 80s, 90s, some 70s,

rock and roll. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I also think an ingenious part of this attraction is that Circle Vision had been this technology that Disney had done a lot with over decades, this format, but was seen as kind of this creaky relic of the, like, Disney educational, you know, their era. Yeah, it was something that, like, all the Magic Kingdoms had space for, but it was not packing them in by any means. And then Epcot as multiple iteration. Those are the only remaining Circle Visions, correct? I think are the I mean I forgot I do this is how much I don't do Circle Vision I don't know the name of Reflections of China

Okay and Canada Is it was Oh Canada I don't know what it is now It might still be okay That's the one with Eugene Levy In Andrew Martin or Catherine O'Hara Kathern O'Hara

Wait is it Wasn't it wasn't but was there a Martin Short one at some point? I think there was Yeah Probably done like two hours on it, but we can't remember. Well, no, I was going to say because this is something I put in my notes is that in eight years,

we have never covered Circle Vision in any way, shape, or form. And seemingly one of us, maybe me, made some dismissive statement of it. It's impressive. It's interesting. But I remember not liking any of these particularly as a kid. I remember feeling like, all right, well, it's inside and I can rest a little bit. But then also me, a very feeble, unathletic child. I'm like, so I just got to stand?

I have to stand through this. So that turned me off of any of these. Well, I was, I had, yeah, you had to lean on the bars. And as a shorter child, they kind of ding-ding-ding. No, locked my views. Yeah, there's no. And you don't want to stand on that. Have you discovered what?

Your mom got to watch the seat it just as I got to do the Minion Con seat-it, the wheelchair. Yes. So, unique experience. Is Martin Shirt? Yeah. Are we making up is there not a Catherine O'Hara one that has ever existed? I'm trying to look for their names in here. I don't see.

Am I just imagining? Oh, like Canada far and wide is Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Haro. Oh, that's it. Is that there now? That's a newer thing. Oh, okay. And that's there now. All right.

But here's another thing. My mother, a sophisticated woman of Paris and New York, who wanted her children to be culturally enriched and well-rounded and whatever. A lot of museums and shit, right? And there'd be this sales pitch of like, but there's like a movie at the museum. And you go there and you're like, this movie sucks, right? I'd be so excited the idea of anything Being like a movie or like a ride or whatever it was

And you're like this shit's dry and boring Like it's it's nothing And the Disney versions of this It's this era where you're like There is kind of an agreed upon pool Of comedic performers That children and parents are going to be equally happy to see You know like a Martin Short shows up

And my dad and I are both cheering In 1993 Martin Short is just like unimpeachable And everyone's happy to see him Alex Ross Perry, frequent guest on my podcast, Blank Jack, often talks about how when we were growing up, it felt like there were 10 famous people. Yeah, I know.

And you're just like the intersection of people who could appear on the Academy Awards and the Kids Choice Awards in the same year, where you were like, everyone of every age can agree on, Danny DeVito. Yeah. You know, like, Whitney Houston, Rosie O'Donnell, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Like, there was this, like, pot of people like that who were also, like, big in this Disney decade, like, new development. We got to put funny personalities in these things and modernize them a little bit past feeling like dry world's fair stuff, which, like, that exact intersection to me, I think was really activating for me as a child. You know what else I love about this, this thing tonally, is that it doesn't feel like a comedian doing side jokes snarking on the thing that we know we got to. do in here. We know it has to be a tour of something. We've got to utilize the circle vision technology and there's an educational component, but let me just kind of like side riff. And certainly there's like Robin Williams quips and stuff, but he also feels like he is creating a pure doubtfire-esque character who's just part of the magic of it. There was a rampant sincerity to this, if not even dare I say, a sentimentality to this. Yeah. That I think it was like

catnip to me of like this thing's got like characters with a emotional arcs, you know, and it's like, really trying to sell you on a fucking sense of wander, and it's got this fucking soaring Bruce Houghton score, which we're going to have to talk about him. I don't know if you guys went down a rabbit hole on Bruce Houghton at all. No, no. Fascinating thing. No, I looked at the director, and Jeff Blythe is his name, and he directed Reflections of China. Okay.

Gotcha. He also directed a bunch of Alex Mac and Space Cases. Oh, hell yeah. Whoa. That's good. Those are a little adventure. But this gets credit for being the first circle vision that actually attempted to have a narrative. Yeah.

That could sort of like, we got to combat this feeling like a fucking planetarium show. There's got to be like arcs and like the addition of original characters in this. And also just, I think it's fucking clever that they're like, here's this creature, nine eyes. What you're about to see is her perspective. She's got nine eyes. That's why the room looks like that. That's why it's projected. They figured out a plot.

This thing that has been just kind of this formal mechanism for presenting beautiful footage of other countries. They had to go in and figure out a robot. And in the process, creating a robot who I love the design of. I love that, I mean, like the eyes, obviously, and then the floating, which is great in film form. And it's great when you're in the room. and they cover the, not the track, whatever's like holding up, you know, whatever, the hose, I don't know, that's holding up by like spraying steam out of it. That's a really clever mechanism. But then also the, I love the mouth.

I love it. It's these little like molecule ovals that kind of jitter around and thus work as great. live flat there I think I I probably responded to nine I feeling like nine I is a little bit of a cousin of tom servo like there's a little bit like funky fun like there's a little bit of a 50s influence but that's not really the the point uh I don't just like uh you know a very compelling odd distinct robot it's a couple of years after this but flubber has a robot that's got kind of a similar energy I think it's maybe named webo the Jody The yellow, Joey Benson robot, who maybe I had a bit of a Savage-Leng, rogue-style crush on. Something about Weibo. I try. You best guess you're okay. Now humanoid form.

It's just a matter of when you met Webo. Whether it feels more like. Kind of had an awakening. Oh, right. Webo, yeah. But I think part of the idea of Webo is it's almost like a reverse of the live action Casper where Webo is in love with Robin Williams but knows that he'll never. love her back because she's not a human woman.

And there's a point where she projects a human form. Oh, so you see human webo at some point? That's like Tinkerbell, Julia Roberts, Tinkerbell's arc with Peter Pan and hug. It's very similar. Griffin. Mike? Webo toy.

You better believe I had that. You have a lot. You better believe I had replica scale electronic webo. Wow. Rebo toy. We're talking about all this. Rebo, I said a rebo, like rebo.

And I did write down was Rea Perlman nine eyes like a core comedic memory but now I'm like did I have a crush on nine eyes because she is kind of charming she's really funny I think the Reapurlman performance this is in addition to being the she's brassy she's brassy you like a brassy yeah yeah I like a brassy yeah she could definitely lift you a little bit with her powers she was she could lift Jules burn yeah right she could lift Jules burn um this was the first um of Circle Vision with animatronics involved. Yes, the first with anything else going on besides the screen, yeah.

So the animatronics, I don't think a lot of this was spoiled for me, but in a lot of those vacation planning videos, they definitely had a few seconds of the timekeeper robot moving his hands around. Sure. And with cool lighting. And is probably what got me through the door was I was so in an animatronics that just seeing that robot. I was like, Dad, we got to go to this thing. And that robot-looking robot is more endearing to me than a lot of the human-looking animatronics.

I think this is great. I also think it's more endearing than much like Webo, only a few scant years later, Disney does Bicentennial Man with Robillam. Oh, yeah. Like, it feels like Nine Eyes kind of gets reworked into Weibo, and the Timekeeper kind of gets reworked into Bicentennial Man. Like, there's strands of DNA here. Right. But, like, Bicentennial Man, I feel like has an upsetting design that is trying so hard for a kind of cuteness. Yeah.

And also to represent Robin Williams. Yes. That's kind of a funny thing that within the decade, there was, here's a big movie that where you're supposed to love the silver Robin Williams. Right. And I do not, even though that one actually has Robin Williams in it. That probably doesn't help. That scares the hell out of me. Whereas this timekeeper is just enough Robin Williams, but just another.

There's no uncanny valley going on with me in Timekeeper. And is, can we, can you confirm the Nine Eyes at one point is an animatronic or she's just on footage the whole time? No, there's an animal. There's a physical memory. It's a little hard to tell in the greenie, even the upper-rest VHS. Because there's also a projection element to that. Like a Pepper's Ghost screen.

Yeah. There's a Pepper's a Spree. No, but there's a part where Nine-I kind of passes behind timekeeper. Right. Okay. And as I recall in the room, you're impressed that because you're so. used to audio animatronics being in their one spot and staying there. So the fact that there is a little right to left was very impressive.

The only thing looking back that I will criticize is the time machine and nine eyes. I know they're trying to be copacetic, but it did get a little, like, is that the same design on the robot in the time? I'm a little lost. I think you're hitting on a fundamental thing, which both because of when this ride closes and also just the format, this is one of the hardest rides to properly represent YouTube videos.

There's a restored 2006 video that's pretty good. There were a couple I found that were good, and I end up watching a couple to kind of piece together multiple parts of it from different perspectives. But this is a true you had to be there kind of thing. Because some of these things, it's right, what we're described, you're watching, you're being like, I think it was a physical thing in the room, right?

You're sort of not getting that from the video, visual, but you can remember. Not to mention, the whole thing is you're just standing in the middle of this big room and there's screens everywhere around you. And I'm not sure that anyone ever did a good job. And no, no, look, it's amazing we have any footage. People have camcorders. They're not trying to, they don't know YouTube.

Right. They don't know they're trying to document this for later. This thing is done by the early 2000s. I don't know what's going on on screen six, seven, eight, nine. I got no idea what's going on behind me. There's, like, no high-deaf captures of this thing. Someone's dad didn't rig nine home camcorders on a stick. to bring in and document.

Oh, a homemade nine-eye. A homemade nine-knit. The tragedy is like, if this thing were open today, it would be so easy for, like, a fucking YouTuber with a cell phone to make, like, a VR, P-O-V YouTube video of this. Oh, and then you could just be in it. Yeah, you could film the 360s. Disney might even just do it because they're putting all those POV

of the rides now on Disney Plus. So there might be some sort of even Disney version of it. I want to have your optimism, but those, if you've noticed, suck. Yes. I have noticed that. They don't even show that there's a car you're racing against on the car on Radiator Springs. Yeah, you don't see that.

Tiana is broken. There's Tiana right. I don't think they're digging into that. Yeah, yeah. I thought they'd be all like the A version. I have not even hunted them down. I still just go to YouTube.

You don't have the hunt them down. They're not hard to find. Uh, no, I haven't even sought them out. They're not, no, they aren't terribly exciting.

There's like YouTube channels for regional theme parks that have better ride-throughs than this. But yeah, I don't know if, I don't think Disney's going to go. get the timekeeper footage out. Oh, no, not anymore. I'm saying maybe now if it was open now.

Oh, I see. There's no way they're going back and doing it now. It also feels like even if they obviously have like the raw footage of the movie part of it, you're like, would they need to like construct a CGI version of the room around that? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like would they need to build a virtual movie theater that basically is a CGI reproduction of what's happening in the space?

Yeah. The trouble with commemorating or reliving. Like nobody, nobody's sure what to do about. Back to the future of the ride. Do you just do ride film or do you try to show what's on the screen in front of you? Nobody's sure what to do with T23D. Thus leading to still a personal heartbreak for me that David and Ben to some extent didn't understand T23D whatsoever.

Had a true, what the fuck is this? This is the thing you're obsessed with. There's no way anyone who saw it in person would ever have that reaction. They took it as a referendum on my entire like fandom of theme park experiences where they were like, this is that kind of shit you're talking about all that time? This is why you're safe here. Thank you guys for coming on the Patreon and doing the Spielberg Rides episode to help. Give it a shot.

Win them back, which I really do think work. I think we should certainly try. Can I say I don't like his hair? That scares me. That's fine. That's fine. Is that unpopular in this room? We've long cleared the discussion of the mothers.

I don't have the nostalgia for it. I don't know. We just didn't notice that it was there. Now, that is one of the critics. That's why I wanted to explain it at the top. We were very into Disney. How do we not know what was there? I texted my mom and my sister earlier.

do you remember this? Neither of them were like, knew what it was. I remember it feeling like it was like in a back alley. Like you could almost

mistake their entrance for a bathroom or a castor. How do we not do this? One of the VHS rips has a family of three that walk up to the cast members at the door

and go, what is this? Yeah, yeah. So, see, here's me going. You see, it's a, you know,

they call it like the tomorrow land, you know, presentation. Which I love the story. Like, I love the city and the music.

and that you were in the city. I love that there was, you know, Ealing Counter and Tomorrowland Transit Authority and Timekeeper. I like the little sign outside and the little sign on the wall. But it could have been served with a giant version of that sign. I mean, it probably should have said Robin Williams really huge. Rob Williams is the time game. However, there wasn't a Drew Carey sounds dangerous style. Oh, yes.

Yeah, yeah. Something really big shows you, the skies like Robin Williams, and then it has the name. This is the push and pull between doing something cool and interesting and making sure everybody knows what's going on. It's the Galaxy's Edge issue. It's the issue with everything of like you wanted to be so immersive and dramatic. And that being said,

that means half people won't understand what's going on. What are you shooting for? I'm realizing probably a lot of why I was able to lock into this thing so quickly as I've been watching this fucking Disney channel. Right, you knew. promo show for three years that probably like every episode says like, And the idea of the modern tomorrow land is a futuristic city. Like they kept giving me their mission statement.

You might not know it if you were just walking in. Well, okay, so let me keep asking you then. All right, you don't care for the hair. And I think that is fair. Is it because it just feels like a bunch of magnetic tape that's silver? The picture I'm looking at, it almost looks like he's like there's like some sort of robot disease or something where like there's growths coming out of his head. Mike, can I throw out that in a way, the timekeeper looks a little bit like magic of the X-Men. Oh, who has a kind of sparky wire hair.

Okay, it scares me a little bit. Magic scared you. A little bit. Now, when did you meet him? Probably run the same time I met rogue. Phalanx, like all the phalanx, that's the word, right? Yeah, the phalanx stuff. That all kind of creeps me out with that, like, kind of design.

Wait, what character? You're not talking about magic from the new mutants. Colossus' sister. Magic is Ileana Respute. Right, I'm sorry. What's the character I'm thinking of? Are you thinking of a shit? What's his name?

Peter something, right? If this room doesn't know, I don't know how to help you. Yeah, I don't know. Is it a bad guy? You're talking about a phalanx guy? Is that what you're talking about? Yes. Hasbrook made a bill of the figure of him.

Yes, Warlock. And then Douglock, Wendy, you observed the late Doug Ramsey. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And, yeah, Warlock. Oh, God, that's so embarrassing. Has a little bit. What is a big Bill Sinkevich. The great artists

Who drew like scary weird arts I'm not saying it's bad I'm just saying like I'm kind of Unnerved by it Okay well let me keep going and say As we've been like Sort of talking about it glowingly Nostologically

Do you get you coming in fresher Do you have any fondness for this Well I have a lot of fondness Just the robots show And then I will admit to the video starts And I go oh I see why this wasn't so beloved Okay That's my take.

It might be too wrapped up in it. But I think it's like I see two robots and I go, oh, yeah, what the fuck? Why didn't I see this robot show? And then the video plays in it's long. And I actually, I do like it, but it's, there's not a lot of, like, fun robot shit that happened in the video. You don't get a lot of the same aesthetic. Well, because, because Nine-I leaves, I understand.

Nine-I is we're in the, we're in Nine-Eye's head simulatedly. I get it. It makes a lot of sense. Much like the white scary adventure, we're experiencing. I could see it from that person. I could see, though, in my kid brain going, holy shit, Rob Williams' robot show. I love

the banter between these two robots. This thing is going to be amazing. And then checking out a little bit in parts of the video because it's long and it just doesn't have the same fun tomorrow anesthetic in the video. Well, and like, look, I would, because of who was

raising me, because of like, you know, optimistic education forward teacher, mom, when I see, Mr. Fern, would you like to meet H.G. Wells? A pleasure to make your acquaintance. I'm in heaven with that. I'm loving that. Oh, that is right.

To a proper gentleman meeting in an exposition park. But maybe to a regular kid that this would not be. My mom loved the time machine movie. So I got lectured about H.G. Wells a little bit. So I would have known that. The 70s one? Yes. Oh, that is.

Yeah, yeah. That's heart. Anything. I, we read the I machine and like, no it's hard. No, it's, no, it's, if you watch in that movie, the L, 60s, 70,

the Eloy and the Morlocks in that movie are, Morlocks are terrifying. They're kind of unnerving and the Eloy are like such childlike weird adults. We had to read the time machine when I was in like eighth grade and I like the plot but like some of that turn of the century some of those books are very hard to read okay but I mean we

watch the movie my anything with time travel my mom likes she doesn't matter okay the fan or family man frequency stuff that is like a alternate world oh sure back to the future time machine time after time a big favor of her so I got some lectures about HG Wells because of that movie well just like she'd like much like Sandy Duncan and you know these lectures mothers give about people and what they liked when they were kids. To your point, Mike, I was watching this and I was like, I'm charmed by this,

but why was I obsessed with this as a child? I'm not getting the same kind of rush that I thought I was going to get upon revisiting this. And then I pull up the French one and I was starting to be like, this is kind of what I remember it feeling like. Maybe part of it was the newness for me.

But I found the narrative of the French one a little tighter, probably because of some of the things they changed in panic to the mixed response in Paris to try to juice it up. It didn't go over well there either. No. I mean, it's like you read the early articles about like, I don't know, Paris Disneyland, Euro Disney's going to work. And they're like, and Eisner's so-called kind of centerpiece attraction is leaving people a little. Which is crazy because I feel like the stories I've heard about Euro Disney is like, oh, the best thing is Space Mountain from the.

earth to the moon. Absolutely. Like, I think it was a sense of like they were really pushing the tomorrow land and he was like, and wait until you see the timekeeper. And people were like, we like everything else in tomorrow land. The timekeeper's fine. And I just felt there was some stuff that I couldn't. I don't think I had the confidence to identify this in watching it for the first time.

But then I watched the Frenchman. I was like, yeah, there is a little bit of panic kind of punch-upy, rewriting, re-editing, re-editing. Well, is some of that kind of the Robin Williams the like we had extra comedy here. I found the character of and what's, it's

the French version is the visionaire? Visionarium or man, this is the most it's the translations were very good. Yes. I thought and pretty funny

on the video that's on YouTube. There's also just the video of the French version is so, it just feels more dynamic the whole thing. I would agree. Because there's just a lot of video

like, it feels like an 80s music video or like just things are punching in and out. There's like a little more movement to everything. Is it more saying pre-show also? Yeah, I think sets up the story a little better. Okay. If I can be this guy. But I also think like in 1996,

Robin Williams just instant comedy for me, right? You just hear his voice and I'm just like, I'm going to be laughing at anything he's saying. And I agree with you that I was happy watching it now that it wasn't overloaded with like quips and deflations and whatever. Sure. But I was also watching this and I was just like, I remember like rolling in the aisles. There were a lot of hard jokes in this. You know, and we talk about theme park comedy.

I always think about the way you guys talk about theme park comedy. And I've repurposed it in other conversations of like how hard it is to build a thing that's going to cost so much fucking money and has to be able to last for like, ideally best case scenario a decade or that's worst case scenario it only lasts a decade and it costs like tens of millions of dollars or whatever and you need someone's going to work for like every age level different grasps of the native language like all of these things right and I thought of this is like a home run in that department and I watched this now and I was like this is charming the humor and it's a little soft sure right and there's stuff where like there's one part I think it's when they're in the hot air balloon.

And the Robin Williams timekeeper goes like, there's no way to go but up. And I was like, is this a reference to some song? I like don't know. So I like Googled it. And the only thing I could find was the fucking Emily Blunt. Mary Poppins movie has a song with that same title, but you're like, that's 20 years earlier.

They clearly were just like, Robin, can you find funnier ways to say the script we're locked into? Yeah, yeah. You know? How much can we move around the footage we have? Well, here, not only are they locked in with that, that we are reappropriating this French attraction and trying to Americanize it. They are also locked in in a big other way, which is Robin Williams himself. Here's a bunch of stuff.

I had no idea until we started doing this episode. So I remember, I was a kid, when I saw this in 1994, I was a kid who knew that Robin Williams had had a falling out with Disney in the wake of Aladdin. uh the basis of that falling out being i want to do this i would love to do this but i want to be part of this grand animated tradition and that's what i want and i don't want you guys to use my name a ton and i don't want you to put you especially to use my name and my voice to sell a bunch of toys as soon as the movie has released exactly those things happen to a bigger extent than disney had ever attempted before they like it was could not have backfired more understand we because it like creates the modern way

as celebrity is attached to a to an animated project. But they like called his bluff and were like, he won't be upset once it works and he was twice as upset. Yes. Yeah. And I and now a lot of it seemingly directed specifically at Jeffrey Katzenberg

who at this point is kind of the golden boy of Disney animation. So as long as he's there you know that that's like that's going to be a conflict. That guy tricked me. I'm not working for him. Yes. Yeah, yeah. And he's not going anywhere because he's still in his incredible hot streak and his Disney fallout has not occurred. But I didn't know any of that at the time. What I knew was that he was so great as the genie

and then why is he not in return of Jafar? And I knew enough to know, okay, that there was like a falling out there and he's mad at Disney. So I walk in the door of the timekeeper. I hear his voice for the first time and I think, oh my God, Robin Williams is back. The feud They patched it up. The feud is over, and not long after that was the third Aladdin, which really patched it up. So in my mind, until a week ago, that was the chronology. This was the first, we're putting our differences aside, and I want to be part of this robot show so much that I will forget all of that Aladdin stuff. Not true at all.

This is all from info from Tim Delaney, the Imagineer who led the entire Discoveryland project, and then is very much behind their space. Mountain, which opens a few years later, but he spearheaded this attraction as well. And he was on a podcast called Progress City. And what he revealed was that they wanted this to be Robin Williams from the get-go, potentially even in the Paris version. Interesting. Because the Paris version looks like him a little bit, too. So the idea was always, we're developing this for Paris, maybe Robin will be part of it, or when we bring it over here eventually, it'll be Robin. He says there was discussion of maybe he does the French version too because Robin can kind of plausibly speak French

and then some of the French people they were working with heard it and said absolutely not so there was no way but he was part of it before it Robin says he can plausibly speak French that Robin shows up and he's like oh sacrableu like he just does Robin with French his French voice

sounded a little bit like black voice or gay voice is this a normal French man the hat trick but so Uh, he, but anyway, he's part of the fabric of it from the beginning, um, but then the fallout happens while they're on the way to opening the American version. So all of the audio that you hear in this attraction is all from a table read.

This was all in the can before it was officially, it is a go in to be in Disney world. So the fallout happens. Hate Katzenberg will never work for Disney again. He was invested in this enough that Imagineering contacts him and says, hey, understand that's happening but what's your feeling about this yeah and he says whatever if you recorded anything with me you can keep using it I'm committed it's as far as that but I'm not going to come in and do anything new for you wow and so this so anything you hear yeah was he was not even this was not even an intended final version like it's lucky they were recording at all

fascinating because it doesn't feel like he's phoning it in but I was like this is fairly reserved yeah robin at this era when you're like building a theme park off of like he's going to be a robot character that talks the whole time. It is his arrival in the parks, at least as a character. He was in that Back to Neverland thing we talked about on the second gate with Walter Kronkite. But like a robot is voiced by robot? You expected to be like, and I guess in our kid brains, we're forgiving him a lot

because we're just so happy it's him. Yeah. Some of these like lamer lines that you're pointing out. Yeah. Maybe are a result of it's sort of his first pass. And he was probably you get the true Robin Williams process. Right. And he's going back in half a dozen, dozen times.

It was, yeah. Every take, he goes, let me try. try a new thing. Let me go in a new run. And you're in the booth proper, not just like sitting in a boardroom or wherever they did this. What was it? What were you going to say? I was just saying. He added, before the actual record, he would have like done a bunch of cocaine or something. Yeah, yeah. He was clean. And that's how they got him for Good Morning Vietnam. He was clean that month. Not the month before the after. Yeah. That is very funny because there were moments during the Robin Williams stuff where I was like, some interesting takes

Like he was screaming and mad a lot. And I was like, that is very, that was very funny to me at like 11 or 10. Same. There's a lot of him yelling. He's very severe and yelling, what? But I have a broader theory about now having watched a ride through a couple of times and knowing that information, I think you got some repeated dialogue. I think when he goes, what?

Really edgy. I think that's used a couple of times. Yeah. And now is something you said earlier that maybe pre-show is stronger in Paris. I thought so. I think the timekeeper has more to do in the pre-show. The timekeeper is barely even in. I think the only time he's in the pre-show in Disney World is his, 9-9 says, let's check in on my friend the timekeeper.

And he goes, ah, and something is short-circuiting. And then it cuts away. And he's like, oh, we'll meet him in there. Yeah. You hear the same yell in there. Interesting. So I think they were almost editing this as if they had a deceased person and only had a little bit. It's like milking every bit of that Marlon Brando footage in Superman.

The French version also is several minutes. it's longer in the footage. There were several scenes that are cut out of the film. Oh, right. Yes. There were entire beats. Well, there's a cameo where I was like, I know this is coming. Where is it coming?

Yes. And then sure enough, underneath an airplane, it happens. Gerard Deppard. Gerard Deppard. Because I immediately was looking at up. I was, I was like, is Gerard Deppard DePardue, the voice of the timekeeper in England? Right, because you see him on the Wikipedia, and I was like, did I miss him in the, is the YouTube quality that bad? I didn't see him in the Disney World version?

No, I was like, is he like somewhere in the Mozart sequence or something? No, he's got a full showcase scene in the French version. Right, right. What does he do? We were at the airport. He's a baggage handler. Okay. And he, like, I think Jules Verne says he's Jules Verne and then Gerard de Perdue says he's the queen of England.

Yeah. And I, I, first off, they bring a newlywed non-teens. century couple into the future and just abandon the there you just see them walk off. Which is kind of darkly funny because they just kind of wander off. But yeah.

Did they record the French dialogue and the English dialogue at the same? I've heard conflicting report. Now I found what's his name who plays Jules Verne is like a legendary French actor. He definitely looked very familiar. Michelle

Piccoli. Yes. Michelle Piccoli. He's in major. He's in Godard movies and Bunwell movies. Yes, he's in Discrete Charmer the Bourgeois and also in Exterminating Angel, I think. I don't know that. I saw he's in Contempt. Yes. He's in Hitchcock's Topaz.

He's in Danger Diabolic, which I love very much. Oh, I love Danger Diabolic. Topaz was I, because my mom was really into Alfred Hitchcock, and I would sometimes go to the video store, and if they just had random ones, I would end up. with like topaz or what was this family plot family plot and they were pretty perplexing for the challenging films for child yeah not challenging the way i think a couple years ago i watched dial and for murder and i'm like this is three locations yeah well also because that was a play yeah and it was an early

3d movie oh was it and hitchcock was like the way to make 3d work is to stage it like a play and really just deal with, like, figures moving around in a room. Yeah, which is an interesting for the 3D, a little perplexing and tube day. Absolutely. Rope is one or two locations, and it's thrilling. Yes. It's, like, so tense. They screened, like, a digital remastering of the 3D version in New York City a couple years ago.

Yeah. Where it, like, wasn't red and blue glasses. It was, like, using modern 3D technology. Yeah. And it just makes perfect sense. And you're like, oh, everything about this movie that feels kind of. like stagnant and odd. Yeah, yeah.

It's just like he was saying like, I'm going to solve the 3D problem that everyone else falls prey to. Yeah. Huh. Interesting. But yes, legendary actor in the French version, he is speaking French the entire time and most of the other characters are speaking English to him. What do they do with Jeremy Irons?

Jeremy Irons is speaking in English to. Okay. Jules Verne in French. It's this classic theme park thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Much like Captain Marvel and Ironman. man communicating on the terrible

Avengers Paris ride where they just respond in different languages So like most of those actors I think this was kind of done in Frangles Some people have said that it was

They shot everything in two different versions But I really think they just redubbed him For the American version It's hard to make out his lips on like shitty home camcorder YouTube Yeah, yeah Dubbed anyway

I wonder if this I like But this could be, I wonder if it was too noisy to film with nine cameras. Possibly. And then, I mean, like, you know, you whatever, you can remove the sound. But I, because I don't think they'd ever tried to get real production sound, probably in any of the other Circle Vision movies because you're, like, going down a ski slope or whatever. You just got to double that later.

Jim Arons is definitely speaking English the entire time in the French version and several of the other supporting actors. And I never, it wasn't until last night that I learned it was him. and I was just at 39, like, in my bedroom, pumping my fence because I was like, yeah, Rob Williams did the timekeeper and Aladdin, Jeremy Arns did the timekeeper and Seasons of the Vine. They got him back for Seasons of the Vine. He was in Seasons of the Vine.

He's the narrator of Seasons of the Vine, the movie about wine. He's also Scar. Yeah, right. He's not a star. He's going to say. Absolutely. Who gives a shit. Theme park stuff.

Seasons of the Vine. Though he doesn't sing his scar. No. Jim Cummings sings a scar, I believe. He didn't have the rain. He didn't do it. He used a spaceship earth for a while also. Jeremy Lyons.

I mean, one of the greatest voices. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Great. And the weird French studio tour. He was the narrator for as well. Bonjour. You're about to see a lot of places where nothing has ever been filmed or will ever be filmed.

I don't know why I always forget his scar. Like, I know James Earl Jones is Pupasa. Yeah. And you tried to get. You tried to get Mike Mitchell into buying figures by sending him a photo of a Jeremy Irons figure. I did. We were trying to figure.

Of like a seventh seal figure. Alfred. We were trying to figure pill, Mitch, at Comic-Con. Because he was kind of walked by going like, I see why you guys like these things. And then he was like, I do like rock steady a lot from Ninja Turtles. He's kind of my spirit animal. If I found the right rock steady, maybe I'd buy that.

Yes. And then I took a picture of a Jeremy Irons, from Batman versus Superman Dawn of Justice. And I was like, Mitch, if you're ever going to start a collection. That should be the start. Detailed McFarlane, super articulated Jeremy Irons with cloth apron and 15 tools. And then he picked up in April O'Neill and said, oh, hello. And Mike smacked it out of his hand.

Don't you do that to her. They don't watch his mouth out with so. You're a nice guy and everything, but if I see that one more time, our podcasts are fucking nice ladies. Don't defile her. That's my mom's friend, damn it. My mom, Fred, I texted Mike yesterday because I found out they had finally reissued a, like, Dr. Doom. Retro Dr. Doom. And I missed the pre-orders. And I found one website where it was still available. I was like, do you try? Would you buy that? And he's like, I wouldn't trust it. So because it was up on GameStop and GameStop just kept sending me in loops. The GameStop website was broken. It's a shitty website.

It wouldn't take PayPal or Apple pay. And, I mean, come on. I got that figure. It's a good figure. I got it, but I sold it. Yeah. Not to him, not to your friends. I didn't know he wanted.

Well, I was looking for when it was out, like, five, six years ago. And then it went out of print, and now it's like $100. So I don't really care about the original one. Reissue is fine with me, because I just went Dr. Doom before the movie version comes out and probably mucks it up. Let's maybe back channel after this episode. I might got some. Oh, cool. Yeah.

Because they have a couple different variations I figure. You might be able to find your way around. Send each other links, but with your voices. Just say the entire URL so then the listeners can follow along. Wow, the first podcast where you can pick the topical feed or the sidebar feed. Here's a big question. I want to use your guys' brains as experts in this field. Because I was doing this thought experiment in my head.

I couldn't prove it wrong, but I might be forgetting something big. Is this the last original animatronic show until moments with Walter, whatever that new fucking thing is called? Oh, it can't be anywhere? This is my question. I was trying to think, because that was so much of the appeal for me going as a kid. Once again, scared of rides. It's like, I want to see these fucking robots. I want to see cool robots do bits and stuff.

And there's obviously things that have been refurbished or redundant. post 94 96 whatever but I was like did they start construction on something that is a wholly new robot show past the point of this opening does Ellen's energy adventure when does that open isn't that 96 it's a little later okay so that's the answer but famously the word Ellen yeah Ellen and dinosaurs who existed already because I'm just thinking like every time there's been a breakthrough in the last 30 years of Disney really pushed the in terms of animatronics, it's always now part of a ride. So you would not count anything where it is based on a film. You're talking about, and then you count Walt Disney as original IP.

I'm sorry, let me be clear. I'm saying less about the character is an original character realized for first time as a robot. I'm saying more like, do they make robot shows anymore? And not an animatronic appears in a ride,

but a show. Right. If there was a mom, Oudy's show I would count that Yeah Country Bears refurb doesn't count It was just a refurb Right

I'm counting Walt Because it's a more significant Well it's a new It's a new build Right and there's like You know like Hall of Presidents Changes and whatever But have we lost the art

Of the animatronic show It's a great I can't think of one off the top of my head maybe there is some Was there like an animal kingdom There was tough to be a bug Which is just they had animatronics in it But it wasn't a pure

There's the one Does that count? Maybe it's that, if you count the hopper. There was the, the Magic Kingdom Timekeeper, that robot model was used in Inoventions or Disney. Oh, there you go. Named as something else? Didn't they call, it's similar, Timekeeper, by the way, the actual animatronic is kind of, I was thinking he's sort of the first public iteration of a robot where you see his insides. Yes.

And he's not masquerading as a. And then similar... Tomorrow? Yeah. So both in... Was it tomorrow in both interventions? There was...

Because Florida had one who was a little skinnier and like more manic and then Disneyland had one that was voiced by Nathan Lane. Okay. So maybe that. Yeah.

That might be your last example. Yeah, yeah. Which is not anything that's stuck with anybody who looks very similar to timekeeper. It's kind of nothing. Ineventions are where I tried in 2010s to ride the incredibly long wait the sum of all thrills

where you designed a roller coaster and virtual reality roller coaster and then it was just too long of wait so we got out of the line. Later, when seeing the sign, realized it was brought to you by Raytheon. Hey now. Hey now.

We got to do that. That's the second guy. The Timekeeper looks exactly like this Nathan Lane, Tomer, they are almost precisely the same. But I think you're right that it is like, you know, there's the, the Star Tours Q robots that are like the skinned American.

Sings robots and whatever that are fully leaning into like this is just the guts but those are retrofitted well the Patrick Warburton voiced TSA type robots he's another like C3BO

No it's not original it's another He's reworded from some I think right? Really? Maybe I'm wrong Is he reworked America Sings there's Blash Mountain But he was new in 2011 So I don't know why Yeah maybe I'm maybe I miss remember

So the ones that are When you're in the queue in that same room that he's in, there's the ones with the TSA that are America sings just without the feathers. I just think you're hitting on something good here, which is like, timekeeper Tom Morrow, these are like the first, if not the only possibly times that Disney was making audio animatronics

that didn't have to pretend to look like something else that could just fully from the get-go embrace this is a robot. Yeah, right. Yeah, which I like seemed revolutionary at the time And, like, it was fascinating to see what's going on inside those. It apparently is all based on, uh, this was like an internal, they had an internal equivalent of timekeeper for many years. If you went and saw a tour at Imagineering, uh, like a very fluid robot with no skin or

clothes. He was like the demo. Yeah, yeah. And he sang, whatever he was, he sang Joe Cocker songs. Wow. I don't know which song, but that way he would, he would somehow belt something out. He was feeling all right. He was feeling all right.

Yeah. Uh-huh. But I think, yeah, I remember this motion feeling so fluid probably because there is no uncanny valley to it. I'm sure part of it is like it's literally more fluid because it's more unencumbered, right? Yeah, yeah. But also you're just like, you're not bumping on. That's not how a human moves their hands when they're talking. Yeah, yeah.

That really does make the Walt robot more special when you think of it in those, that it is a, it is an animatronic show. It is part of the same continuum technically as Munch's make-believe ban. Yeah. It is, it is an old Star Tours. Really? Yeah, it's, uh, it's, they call it, well, they call in Star Wars, in the Star Tours lore, they call it a goose droid. Huh.

Because it was an old singing goose from America Sings. He is also one of those guys. They're all like jump-powl robots that I think they reworked well. Yeah, a lot of geese, yeah. That's insane. But it was like, they, was a G2 unit also known as a goose droid. All those things, they just like pulled the like the fur and the skin off and then put eyes in a place and were just like, it was always.

meant to look like this. Right. This isn't a skeleton. They look cool. Yeah, they look cool. I was kind of great. Yeah, yeah, no, it worries. Can I do a look, can I, can I, uh, steer us in a weird little thing that is related

on the subject of Gerard Deppard Deppard Du, just while we're in the cast zone? Uh, when I was looking up, because I was similarly like, where is he in it? And before I found the French version with his scene, when you Google Gerard DeFard DeFard Du, the timekeeper, you find a Russian watch ad. that he made 10 years ago and an ad that is hard to find because it was yanked by the company after the poor reception

when it came out. And here is what happens in this ad. I don't know how, I wouldn't begin to know how to say this. It's like, I'm going to say, Sevistos. It's CV-S-T-O-S. That's all caps.

So, Savistos, the timekeeper, presents. And then you hear a loud bullet sound. And then it cuts to dry, to bar do hovering over a deer carcass in a field and he looks up at us and the voice is so husky and like ASMR right in your ear. His breathy-ass voice goes in to translate, to smoke a deer, you must always be on time. Thanks to my servistos, I was on time. And it was his time.

And then he makes a kissy face at the dead deer that he's like mounted. He's like climbing. Imagine that body and that face up on top of a deer. And then he kind of like, I forget if he kisses the bullet or just like I, like he makes the most lovey eyes at this bullet. And then it zooms in on the watch, the point of the thing, because it's the timekeeper. And then it goes out of focus right then. Did he write and direct this?

Yeah, possibly. And shoot it? I'm going to be in a field hunting deer if you want to film around me. And then at the end, there's the product shot and it says, Savisto's, proud to be Russian, which I don't, he is not. No. And then this just resulted in a lot of controversy

and, like, headlines like Gerard de Pardieu rankles French with deer killer ad. It's also so fine to me. Gerard de Perdue has done infinitely worse things that we know about and things we probably will never know about, right? But I feel like he plays an airline employee in this. Mm-hmm. I feel like one of the most infamous

Mr. Ardupard Dupardue incidents, and so much of this was me just remembering like fucking weekend update and Jaylen and whoever having a field day with this. Do you guys remember this where there was an incident where he was arrested because he had like seven glasses of white wine on a flight and then stood up in the middle of the aisle

and pissed. Oh, yeah. Took his dick out and pissed in the middle of the aisle in first class on a plane and they maybe had to land it prematurely. Oh my God. So you're looking at him next to a plane. Right. I'm like, I don't, if you only knew. I don't remember him.

being in this? Where's he going to pop up? And then I'm watching this French version. It's him just pointing at a plane and I'm like, we better keep a close eye on that zipper. To smoke seven glasses of wine. You must always be on time. You're saying that was an unpopular ad? I believe

so, yes. At least they had to pretend it wasn't working for their demo. That ad does feel like some place where that used to like churn out comedy videos. It's like, well, we're in the field shooting this for Nestle

let's do something stupid in between takes and you come up with the surrealist Russian watch like skip it or like weird

little movie but somehow that was the main thing they were intending to that was the goal to yeah they wrote the line

to smoke a deer is really haunting to me can I talk through some of the fundamental French versus American version

differences in my eyes so everything you're saying about the Williams thing makes sense. The pre-show, obviously, in the American version, is much more like introducing you to Nine Eyes, the technology, that time travel has been cracked. But it's more

like selling you on the tech of the show. You're barely introduced a timekeeper. And then a lot of the show at that point is William sort of being like, ah, this is out of control. We've got to stop this, right? Like he's being a little like, guys, come on. Yeah, yeah. About the whole thing, which I found very funny at the time. Probably just comedic

exasperation and their banter and all that sort of shit. Sure, sure. In the French version, the pre-show is, like, the timekeeper as this kind of romantic character being like, I have always fantasized about meeting the great figures of history. Like, forever I have longed about the idea of getting able to shake these people's hands. Yeah. You know? He's the end better than I got going, what?

I think so. Right. And so, like, a lot of his, and he's less reacting out of anger once everything starts going awry. there's this sense of like nervousness to him about like should we be doing this it's a little more Doc Brown like the preciousness of the space time continuum and the sanctity of these people

it reminded me frankly a lot of Indiana Jones and the doll of destiny a movie I don't know if any of you guys have seen it just some I've seen some of it I've also seen some of it I will not fully spoil the movie for people who have not included two of the four people in this room but I was really into what I thought it was trying to do at the end of the film.

And then I felt like they kind of chickened out of the ending, right? Spoil away. Okay. There's, the movie, the movie builds to a major time travel element and this idea that it's like Indiana Jones is going to get to go to the places, right? Okay. And what I almost think is like a kind of potent idea in that film, that for me really doesn't work, the movie as a whole.

Oh, yeah, sure. Is that like, here's old Indiana Jones being like, I fucked everything up and mutts dead and Marion won't talk to me. and I'm a bag of bones. Oh, yes, Mutt did? Mutt died in Vietnam. Wow. He has a big emotional scene on a boat where he's like,

and I never supported him enough. And then he went off to war to prove he was a man, and I never got to say I love you. Jason, how have you never texted me Mutt died in Vietnam? Mutt dies. Well, I didn't want to spoil. It could have been Korea, but I'm pretty sure it was Vietnam. I think it's Vietnam.

Yeah. Because did they do the McCarthy stuff in Kingdom of the Crystal, like, suspicious of India? She's interviewed by CIA. There's stuff I liked in that movie. Crystal Skull, I defend much more than Dial of Destiny. Oh, there was some I liked in Dial of Destiny, too, but not as much. I would say I like 50% of the stuff in Crystal Skull, and the other 50% is disastrous,

and I would say Dial of Destiny is more like 2570. Yeah. I like the fridge stuff. The fridge stuff, I think, rules. Yeah, I like the fridge stuff. This is my big case is I'm just like, the first act of that movie basically works for me. I think it basically works It's got a little of the juice

It's got a little of the juice It's directed by students I remember You tend to have It's pretty good at Joe's film And I think that movie Major side tangent here But hey the train is just

The Trekkest There's been a brief rerouting We'll get back to the main College stuff is good too All of that I think that movie basically works Until they get to Marion And the fucking John Hurt character

And then there's this feeling of Grab a big snake Grab onto this big snake Grab on to this big snake. I just think they're like, I guess we just got to. Don't worry, Marriott is back in Dial of Destiny. Everyone's back and they look tired and they don't want to be there. You know who I think does have the juice in Dial of Destiny and gives the best performance?

I think Sala's on fire. Oh, okay. Sala is pretty good. John Risting shows up to play. Hey, good. Yeah. I'll watch two and a half scenes. I'll watch a super cut of his scenes.

Yeah, two and a half. I wasn't sure if you're going to say Antonio Banderas. I was excited when he came on screen. And then I was just, it is, it is bizarre that they cast him. Yeah. He is too famous a person for what that character has to do. And he's not introduced as like, here's a big impactful one scene performance. He's introduced as if like, oh, and you're going to be with this guy for the next 30 minutes and very abruptly you are not.

Yeah. They literally is, he has the arc of, I expect you to die, Dr. Joe. It's very hard. Weird. Also, what's the name of the actor? Who plays. It's been a few years.

Phoebe Waller Bridges' father. Oh, Toby Jones. Toby Jones, I think it's a great actor. Kind of used weirdly in that movie. I hate that whole de-aging sequence at the beginning. I also think she should have just been fucking Brody's daughter. Like, I think it'd be so much better if they made her. From Jaws, you mean?

Yes. That would be exciting. No, no, from Mollrats. Yes. both. They're gay sons and their gay marriage. Gay daughter, I mean.

Yeah. Brody, yeah, I forgot about Brody. It feels like rather than make her the daughter of an established friend of Indiana Jones, they had to make it a new character because they wanted to do this D-H sequence and have a new actor.

And I'm like, Toby Jones is great as an Indiana Jones character. Yeah. But it just feels like, you don't remember how I always talked about my friend Toby Jones who was never in the movies before, But was my closest friend.

Toby Jones and Antonio Banderas are like, mean a lot to Indy and you meet them for less than half an hour. You can't make friends in your old age years? They are both presented. What hope is that for us? This film gives us hope. No, no, no. There is friends from his younger days. Well, we saw three, four adventures.

There were plenty of mother adventures that we didn't see. They are presented as if they're characters from the first three movies. And you're like, am I forgetting this guy? He had other adventures. They just didn't film them. The thing the movie gets to is that Nita Jones is kind of just like, I just want to be dead. There's no space for me anymore.

That's the energy of the movie which made me go, I don't need to finish this right now. Yeah, he also, when he wakes up in his shitty apartment after briefly seeing our comedy, and like it's just, even saying that out loud, here's, okay, in the realm of, we're off the rails, hold on, hold on. In the realm of Mangolds, it makes night and day look like Logan, you know. The thing the most,

That is film critic. The thing that he's trying to do is get at this idea that it's like maybe actually the only thing that would ever make Indiana Jones happy is if he could go back in time and observe this shit firsthand. That like part of the like endless yearning in this guy and his inability to sell down in a relationship is that he's just like fucking obsessed with a past he never lives through. Yeah. He feels like he was born too late.

So he's going to see like a very pivotal moment in history. Is that what you were saying? They do it at the end. And I'm like this should have been what happens at the end. end of act one and the rest of the movie should have been this. Right. Yeah. You see like Genghis Khan taking over. I want to see all of this.

Yeah. Because otherwise it just seems like it has a lot of survivors killed. Right. That's... For not dying at the hands of a Nazi. Why were these decisions? That's good. I don't know. That part of it I find like so boring at the end. This is the case with a lot of these movies. For some weird

reason, people are like... Let's see our heroes be sad. Here's the, here's the template. And by the way, all, they've done all the movie. So no one's going to learn a lesson from what I'm about to say. All the movies have been done now. Everyone's old. Listen, screenw. Mike's going to school it. Cool teacher, Mike. Sting. A.E.W. Sting, the wrestler, Sting. In his 60s. He hadn't wrestled for a long time because he had a problem with his neck. And they thought he wasn't going to wrestle. He's going to do cinematic matches. So they had him like do this long cinematic match, which was pretty cool,

whatever. Then this guy Darby L and said, hey, I bet you could wrestle for real. And he goes, I think I could. So we started wrestling. He had like 40 matches in AEW for four years. They made him look like a fucking superhero he beat all the young guys he never lost a match it was the most triumphant four-year run jump it off ladders he started doing stupider stuff than he'd ever done in his life jumping off things and then he had an amazing like retirement match with the young bucks I was like this is how all the movies should go sure you have to protect your old people in the movies to make them look awesome not sad why we don't want like Vince was still booking sting he would just been like

humiliated weekly because that's what Vince would do to all the legends. If it was sad and he became a full-on fucking melodrama plague, it became August O'Sage County or it became Catalan heart and roof or who's afraid of Virginia Woolf.

That'd be, I'd be into that. I mean, that would not sell. The writing was on the level of those two things. I'm remembering now a time I took Mike, I went with Mike and Lindsay to see a view from her bridge which is a different Arthur Miller play

that ended with a rain of blood that was clearly tomato sauce and this is coming that came from Broadway it's like an esteemed Broadway director could you and I star in a Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf on stage production

look Keanu and Alex Winners are doing waiting for Godot on Broadway right now who do you see us cast as are we a couple or are I the older man in Virginia Woolf? Yeah I think you're do, now to just reference another Broadway

play, I think you do the Phillips Seymour Hoffman, John C. Riley, True West thing. I think you play the husband and wife and you two switch roles every night. Oh, okay, great. So we're like Richard Burton and Lewis Taylor. With two young whippersnappers as the younger. Right, okay, good. Okay. Well, this is, you know what I think

this could apply to, you know, to speak of something that came up at Comic-Con, I know that there's a lot of interest in this room in the Blues Brothers and there's also been debate over the years about... Excuse me, not in this room. Period. This is an exciting time. 2025. For the future of the Blues Brothers. The multiverse. But there's been talk

of if you guys became like licensed Blues Brothers, but there's always the talk of who would be who. And I say that's very obvious because of height. And you say, no, but energy though. And this would finally be the chance to, this night's about energy, then you switch as Blues Brothers and this one's

about height. That's a good point. So this would let you because I think there's a Jake and an Elwood inside both of you and inside all of us. I think that's right. True as with John C. Riley and Philipsymer Hoffman. Phillips Superhoff. Did they do that for God of Carnage, too? Or is that a different case?

No. But John C. Riley did the movie. Oh, he did the, which I later, I was like, oh, cool. They made a movie that player never saw. Who's the door? Oh, Palanski's a wreck. They're all right. Oh, it takes place in New York City apartment, but it feels fake and they never go outside. I wonder, oh, right, he can't fly to New York City.

Right. Yeah. Makes sense. They just keep going right outside that window is the United States of America where we live. I can see you the statue of liberty. I'm looking at it right now. You needn't go over there. Go downstairs to that hot dog cart we can't see.

That real New York City hot dog cart. I can smell the steam from here, though. Look, I maybe made some errors as a conductor. I hit the switcher. We went off the main tracks. But I just, I think the French version does a better job of setting you up the character of how much is at stake for him of like, we've gotten so close to cracking this technology. And what's exciting is we're going to get to talk to these people.

We're going to get to see these places. He's like calling the shots of what he wants to witness. It's like this is going to be exciting. We're all going to see this. One of like the romance of it is that it's not just like pure time travel, hijink adventure. This is about something bigger. I think you also had to see a lot of the setup.

You had to watch the nine eyes being tested, sight gags. Yes. You had to see timekeeper wanting to meet famous historical people. and there were models of fantastical or futuristic vehicles in that room. In the Magic Kingdom, the pre-show loading room was usually empty and you were just ushered along into the thing. And it's sort of like whenever you show up, you show up and you catch however much of it. Right.

Yeah, and it's kind of just silly. It's nine-eye doing training and going down Niagara Falls. And I was charmed by all that, but this might be a key component. The setup works and it feels like the stakes of like this has been like, years in the making. And there's something I just kind of like about the idea of like we create a robot and the robot is like, I'm inspired by the great humans. Yeah.

Right. This notion of like invention and innovation, which feels very 90s tomorrow land to me. And especially him coming out of the lineage of this being sort of something that's created part and parcel with the jewels for in tomorrow land. Like all that stuff feels like very connected, the idea of walking through that area and then going into this. they really tells you why like why would you attribute this

like this area of history and literature rather than just it's rocket chips and stuff and the movie should kind of answer the question like because like there's heart there and we can you know tribute these great words it's also it's a thing that I'm just a total

sap for it will get me emotionally every single time but there are like a handful of Doctor Who episodes modern Doctor Who episodes a time travel show where he meets some great artist or thinker from their time period who's experiencing doubt and doctor who is able to convey to them it matters yeah well i mean there's a vain go episode where van go's like going crazy about to kill himself and doctor who's like just jump inside the tortoise with me takes him to an art gallery

and like van go's like crying and he's like it wasn't in vain you know there's like a charles dickens one where he's like your stories will be read forever and simon call was charles dickens like crying these things always destroy me is this because you're you're you because you're you hope maybe like you're like is this all this podcasting worth it and then like somebody's going to come to you from the future and like look look what you've done in the future everyone has a movie podcast you're married to the mob episodes is listen to centuries from now no I just think there's like you know the films have been destroyed but people listen to your record talking they actually think is better than the movies it's good that you said all this stuff

that wasn't about the movies they love the tangents in fact the movies don't mean anything to that many more. Thank God for the Tansh. This is the reverse of Mark Merritt. Like, podcasting caused a lot of the eel in the world today. And I'm like, oh, man. Was he talking about us?

I didn't know. He wasn't talking about us. Jason heard that. He looked in the mirror. He reflected. He wasn't talking about us. I was just like, oh, yeah, I think he's right. People talking about duck seats and I don't know. It just really perverted the culture. One weird little guy's really in a

Barbara Stanwick And Robert Mitch He's thinking of getting into Barbara Stanley I took a break You took a break Of the Barbara Stanwick movies Yeah after like four or five

I took a break Okay so you got more That's more That's you've seen Lady Eaf right Oh that's what it like Started out That is great And then the one where she

Greger packs in it What I think's kind of boring Great Balls of Fire Where it's all the guys Writing Encyclopedia Yeah She's so fun You know that's that's

it's meant to be a snow white and the seven dwarves riff that all the scientists are okay good I don't make sure it yeah I get it well I was also like it's the angel from its wonderful life it's the

I mean you listen to this toxic manosphere you know Griffin mansplaining to Jason and this is exactly whether it be Tony Inchcliff or whether it be the seven dwarfs metaphor are being explained so explicitly I mean these podcasts you know

and I'm washing my hands of it I'm stepping away I was just saying I liked Griffin's optimism. And I liked Mike's joke about being sent into the future to help people, you know, pay a time. Can you and I start a Halloween movie challenge this year? Oh. Because last year you're talking about doing a Halloween. And I watched one.

I really want to make sure I want, right, and you were upset by Halloween 3 and you start the whole thing. That's a weird one to start the challenge. Maybe, okay. How about this for a challenge? All right? We can start maybe mid-September, even early, if you want. Because I really want to make sure I want to watch a bunch of things I haven't watched this year. We will throw movies back and forth at each other.

So I will watch something that I will, you will have to watch what I watched, but then you will throw one out and we'll watch. Oh, that's a good idea. So I will make you watch Halloween three again. I could start with one. I was going to say we can go see weapons together because it seems like that would be a theater. No theater. So we're in August.

That's what your plan for October is to see weapons three times. No, no, no, no. Where in mid-August and he said it starts September. I was like, we could get off. Also, everything everyone might be in November, keep in mind. So this might be all, yeah, you're right. This is going to wilder than the timeline of the time. It'll be like, this will be like, oh my God, that's when it started.

Wait, can I call a shot here? Yeah, go ahead, please. Should in October be spooky month at September be Sept, Stannwick. September. Stamwick, great. Okay, okay. I think you need to do a full Stanwick month. But now I got to catch up.

Now you've got to catch up. I watched Lady Eve again the other night. Come and home and home. I don't think I've seen any of these Barbies. Oh, the lady, oh. I, she, yeah, she is very beautiful in that. And she is so funny. All I'm going to say, you watch Lady Eve, you'll be considering getting into Barbara

Stink as well. Step aside, April. We've got to be studying the works, as Jason says. Considering studying. Well, I went down to Preston Sturgis rabbit at all, and he had a very sad life at the end. But, um, the other. The thing I learned about that... His movies are going to last.

Yeah, tell it. With the other, John, what's the actor, who's in the Miami Beach story without her? Palm Beach story. Oh, no, no, no, no, wait a second. I found a picture of the geese from America sings, and you can really tell, you just can tell that the necks are long. Yeah, yeah. It makes a lot of sense. I see.

Yeah. So they must have had, I don't know if they had extra geese. hanging around, but there certainly were at least four. They built 10,000 of them. They had other plans. Scarier plans. You know, we can talk about classic films all day, but we have yet

to talk about when the timekeeper says yo-yo do the timekeeper wrap. Well, I mean, what are we doing talking about Preston Sturges when we haven't even talked to Yo-Yo do the time givers? He also, shortly before that does Jamaican patois. Uh-huh, that's, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a question I, I mean, that's not great

and then but then there's also the timeline question of when did he do this was this pre-dating cool runnings did Disney know the cool runnings was in production and we or was it just a reference to the real Jamaican bobsled team with not even a clue yeah that would be a film that's interesting if I if I can just close the loop on this sort of notion of the scenes that are missing in the French version being cut down to the American version I think create a little

more connective tissue for the Jules Verne character whereas it feels like in the American version there's a little bit of what I probably found really funny as a kid because I hadn't seen

Bill and Ted yet of just like it's funny to watch this old guy from the old times be overwhelmed by modern shit be on a train and in a race car

right? Yes. It feels like in the French version Jules Verne's got a little more agency and like the timekeeper's a little less

angry and Jules Verne's like I gotta see all this shit where he's like this is exciting this is everything I've ever imagined and I just think by skipping some of the beats they make it a little bit more like oh now we're just here yeah and you didn't even realize you were getting into this is going to be about H2 like suddenly you're just at this exposition and you're at the two of them meeting a meeting by the way that did not occur I don't think either of them were at this event and they weren't really I don't know that they met ever they were on the earth at the same time, but their, you know, ages were quite different. So this is sort of a made-up thing that, yeah, we gotta go here.

We have to go find when, the moment when Wells and Vern did it shake hands. This whole imaginary class, we've talked about this before, it was just obsessed with H.G. Wells and J. Wells and Jules Fern. Yeah. So this must have been a dream for them. This is one that got through. This is what they always want to be doing. And there's all these like, you know, like that Six Flags Baltimore power plant.

Everything's about like fantastical people who create fantastical machines. and like this is one that actually got done on a big scale and they were getting probably so excited at the idea of the fan fiction of it and I wonder if they wanted like more of it yeah that was a whole thing just like I'm hanging out together but I also think the spirit of like 90s Disneyland Tomorrowland or Disney World Tomorrowland rather was this kind of idea of like we might be getting really close right I feel like there was this end of the century like the way in which we were framing this kind of retrofuturism is like but like we might be within 10 years of the cars fly in and shit like that's going to be out there yeah yeah i think it's just past the year 2000 i think it's part of what has aged so poorly and obviously just like a lack of upkeep of the 90s tomorrow land refurbishments right yes well and now the real future became what tomorrow lands are like now where everything is kind of Frankenstein together where it's like well that's signed It's five years old.

This majority of the land is 30 years old. This thing is from two years, like, and it's all got different ethos. We're going to get to that. We're going to update that. And it feels like most of the new technology is bad and evil. Yeah, we're prioritizing the wrong things. Or at least, like, I am like in between generations on stuff where I still like to travel with Lightning Gable USBC.

Right. But the long USBC might not. charge the sleep headphones that came with shitty USBC, but shitty USB won't charge your iPad. We live in hell. You end up with like six cables. Yeah. Yeah. I just think there's something about this moment that felt really kind of exciting.

And perhaps we were also just young at the time as well. Sure. But they were, it's such an optimistic piece, though. It's how the adults felt making this. Being like we're making it to 2000. We can see it right there. in the near distance. We're all going to pass that at the end of that rainbow.

There's nothing but good stuff. And it's all on the kids' text, it's all the global coffee house look. Yeah, yeah. It's all the global coffee house. And we, these songs and the language in the future, it's going to be all languages meshing into one. And what would that world and music sound like?

That was the hopefulness of millennial Disney. But with like old 40s stuff, It's all going to combine. Versus like now like 25 years of being like, so we're just going towards like THX 1138. That's all it is. Yeah. And something I've noticed,

which is that like if you just, if you go into like mall's markets, public plays, we've kind of settled on the Justin Timberlake Trolls song as the last song. We're not really going to have more songs. Like we're good on this one. It was the last one we all vaguely approved of.

It's pretty good. Congratulations. Final song. It's like nine years old From Into the Spider-Verse And then the song Gasolina You've been topped by the troll store Not at markets

Not at markets Weird for markets Technology also just like It like almost sometimes slyly happens Like I'm talking about Waymo's Where I feel like a couple years ago I read like Oh there's not gonna be autonomous vehicles For like another 10, 20

Like they don't have the technology It's not perfected And then all of a sudden I'm like Wait a minute Los Angeles is way You're gonna Waymo in Hollywood proper anywhere you want right now when I thought that was illegal

right and also you have to pass a law that says a vehicle can be autonomous and there's some psycho on the internet it was like you know you can just put a baby in there if you're one of the parents taxi it to the other parent and that's safer the baby sitters this is the problem it's like what

the 90s forward looking optimism we weren't considering the people in the equation we just kept being like and if we saw this technology it'll make us all level out if we just train robots with artificial intelligence and make sure they read enough H.G. Wells and Jules Byrne, then they're going to be really whimsical and thoughtful and they're going to create fun stuff for us.

A naively sincere spirit of like, we made a robot. The robot was like, man, humanity is incredible. I'm going to build a time machine to go back to thank the people who made our culture great, right? The forefathers. And then this thing ends with going to the future and being like, look at how much fucking better the future looks, even better. matter 2050 here we come yeah yeah I think it really is what you're saying about the the emotion that doctor who like the each or not sorry julesburn getting to experience all of the modern technology yeah that beat just it works for me there's like an emotional charge there seeing him have fun seeing him and yeah there's the cynicism that like a lot of it involves cars because

renalt was the sponsor right so it all has to be about car stuff so jules verne has to go be in a race car Well, the cynic at me was like, yeah, you're F1 so corrupt. They probably would just let this old man drive backwards on a track. Them and FIFA are just insane. Don't worry, the NFL and M-R-B are also insane. So I'm not just going after European sports. Did you guys see that the original plan in Paris was that there was going to be a restaurant connected to this? And if you went to the restaurant, there were going to be walk-around actors playing like H.G. Wells.

Oh, I didn't see this. What? No, no. Oh, is this called not the Explorers Club or not the, but like the Astronomer's Clause or something of that nature? It was going to like load into like the French version of Sunny Eclipse was guys in costumes playing the great minds of past centuries. Oh, that still's a good idea. And just being like, oh, they've traveled. They've stayed here in the present with us. The pasteurization process of which I was a key part now puts delicious cheese.

cheese on top of your burger. In the small packet, how do you get it in here? Seal so tight. Oh, can't they do? I mean, again, this is like we'll never get anything like Adventure Club. They're not going to green light any. They don't want things with beard guys. It's so dorky to be really dorky.

Oh, it didn't work. None of this worked then. They didn't like it. It didn't even work at the universe. They fired all those. It was gone before it showed up. That's my advice. Any actor, any actor hired for a gig to play, walk around.

Don't buy, don't put it down payment on a house. Don't do any of that long-term thinking, but take the money and run. Yeah. Because after a week in Orlando for four days. Yeah, take the money and run for four days. Go in, going, knowing it's short-term gig. Because, like, time in Orlando, talking to people at all levels. It's like, oh, it's kind of a miracle these things open at all, day-to-day, let alone

open from the ground up. It's not a secure job to be walking around and saying, I'm Professor Phantasmagorium. What if? Welcome to my Wondery Roo. What if? Here's a pitch. What if Arthur and Sons coming to downtown Disney is actually just a little cover.

Oh. And Arthur and Sons are explorers. Oh, he's my sons, you see. Right. I'm Arthur. These are my sons. I want you to meet all of that. We didn't take to the Cosmos, of course.

and steak are simply what we eat in our time. There's no toxic masculinity afootia. I think I've had some band team bark meals this year and so I think I'm in for Arthur at Sons. Yay! Even without the

it doesn't even need steam pump theming, but I would love it more if it had the bearded guy. I would love to meet the Sons. Maybe they're crazy, maybe they all have crazy personalities. They sure do. Arthur's just the chef in the tope. He's got eight sons. It was just shaking.

My name is Arthur kaleidoscopacus. By the way, just to, as Griffin says, close the loop, the actor I was trying to think of was Joel McCree. Oh, yes. A great older actor, but I watch a bunch of his movies in the last few years. And I'm like, I really want to ask Harrison Ford if he liked Joel McCree. Because I feel like I see a lot of Harrison Ford. I was like, did you like the movies of Joel McCree?

Did that influence you? know. You find out where he lives. Do you like the films? I just think they're both great actors that I think they're just of a tradition or of a piece. So I would love to know. I usually cold call as agent like you did when you were in college. Oh, yeah.

Well, unfortunately, there's not many newspapers left to pretend to be a fact check on. I found the section I was looking for on the Wikipedia. I went into my research far quickly. Time Magazine in writing a larger article about the underperformance of Euro Disney upon opening specifically called the Timekeeper or Lou Vizinarium

a flop and a Juan drama That's the worst When you get one in a review First off it's really pretension But also it's just like oh that's devastating For someone writing that Then it sounds like it opened in Tokyo next It was meant to be something that

be part of Discovery Land, then because of the failure of Euro Disney, they're like, well, Discovery Land's not happening, and we got to rethink timekeeper to then put it into... Oh, we aren't even doing Discovery Land anywhere else, because it was possible Discovery Land was going to be the new branding all in all. Right. Yeah. And then we don't even get it in Disneyland. We got a retrofitted.

But it was a planned for it, but it was planned for tomorrow land 2050-five even. So it's like slowed down, push back a couple years, retrofitted. They sort of cut it down. that used the fucking Williams table read. It was supposed to be called the Astronomers Club, quote, where a stage would have featured actors playing fame scientists

such as Leonardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton, and Galileo, who would appear in the restaurant and then be called back to the past by either nine or timekeeper. I like that the restaurant was going to close the loop

and be like, don't worry. Timeline maintained. They just came here for a bit. Wow. The show will cycle. That's great. You know, don't worry. Like, I like that.

You get your Coke. Now get it. Yeah. Wow. I like that. That's insane. Geez. So, I mean, that's always ambition that they never. But it just feels like that was the complete vision of this thing and minus the restaurant after show. I think the French version has a better version of the full kind of story. Yeah. Let's say some, just some moments that we liked and we could talk about the kind of the downfall that we've covered some of that a little bit.

But like, I do like the moments that they choose of history to see. I let you see like a seven-year-old Mozart performing. And then you get to see all of a bunch of people slowly but steadily notice that there is a giant weird robot next to them who is like made of materials they've never seen much less something that is living. Is it Mozart's 70th or seventh birthday? Oh, okay. He wrote his first piano piece. Wow. Wow.

And they give some notes on Mona Lisa not quite there yet. Right. I do think that's just a good effect for Circle Vision is like you're watching the surrounding thing that feels so much like the stayed kind of like museum planetarium show and then an actor like clocks it and moves towards the camera and taps on it, you know? Yeah, yeah, and you maybe don't see it at first. Like, like, I like that your perspective, you know, you're tempted to stay staring in a nine-eye timekeeper direction, but you might start catching stuff peripherally. Yes. I like that, I don't know, it gives you like, you can get a little. lost, I think, in the other Circle Vision movies.

So I like that it gives you, like, we're going to play most of it up here, but you can like wander and, you know, make it interactive, look in the back, look to the side. They do a good job of pushing that line of like, we are like non-participating observers. And then it's like we're starting to impede on their reality too much. They're noticing their following us, Jules Verne is holding on. Yeah, yeah. And then you go watch an entire conversation between J.G. Wells, which is where they don't notice a gigantic hovering robot.

in their periphery and like oh yeah not stuff future stuff's not possible look over here wise guy and i like that this is skipping to the end but i like that it leads to kind of a i like the build of that relationship where it leads to like an au chantee kind of is that jules vernon who kisses nine eyes there's a bit of a spark between jules vernon and nine nine one little spark yeah uh i like uh when nine gets hit with a sword and one of the cameras fritz is out. I like that French Nine-Eye is kind of obsessed with scoring antiques. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, stealing? Yeah. And I think that's the justification for like eyeballing like other stuff in Da Vinci's studio. Right. It's why she's like going off script. Yeah. We're not in okay, forgive me, maybe I missed this. Nine-Eyes, we're just seeing what

Nine-I is doing. Yeah, we're not inside Nine-Eye in any of the versions. This is just a room in which we are getting the live feed of what nine eyes is because that I almost felt like was like I wish we were in nine eyes head I had to be critical well nine eyes kind of the time traveler

and timekeeper is kind of the middle manager yes who drives the ship you know what okay say positive things and I'll I'll continue I like that Jules Verren can survive getting hit by a bullet train is that the channel train yeah it almost seems to like give him more power like he's so excited

by the fact that a train can go this fast He's just like he's in like a, like a kid's, a candy commercial or something, like. Or I was even going to say like a mother rescuing a child from under like a burning car. Oh, yeah. The near death experience being like, I can fucking do anything. Yeah, I like that he keeps like, bring it on more. And you scuba dive and you go past that one castle that was the basis of Sleeping Beauty Castle. Ah, the Eagles nest.

They used in Soren again. You go. Like, there's Eagles. Yeah, yeah, as I always remember, that's what inspired Sleeping Beauty Castle. I'm seeing this years before I've seen, at least a couple of years before I've seen Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, which I will then, you know, by the wizened age of 10 realizes the funniest movie ever made. But this is the first fix I'm getting of the kind of comic juice of Napoleon's obsessed with water parks. Right. This thing of like someone in a foreign, like accent in an old stuffy costume being obsessed with modern kids bullshit.

It's fun. It's fun. If it's some old, yeah, guy like in like in like. like board shorts on a surfboard with sunglasses. Like that would have been a plus up. You needed more outfits on Jules Verne. They like keep him classy, but I just like that he's getting all like sugar rushy with his shit.

I like when he tries to dance briefly to modern music. Yes. That always made me laugh as a kid. Yes, I agree with that. I want more, yeah, silly stuff. Too stayed for you is what you're finding. Too stayed. It's a little too stuffy for me.

To one. But I guess what. Like, I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of, like, most people absorb rides and theme park shows literally on their, like, on a level of, like, dumb person kid brain. Yes. Where it's just like I liked when that thing, when I went up and I went down. And I feel like this is missing. This is the reason this thing failed is because there's not these big moments like that. Like we're debating like or talking about like the French version is better that the narrative is cleaner or whatever.

It doesn't matter. like it matters from an artistic standpoint I went in a room I stood still there was a robot yelled and then a man with a beard was shocked to be in a space suit right I can see why this is not the dream right the common so it's like if he was wearing like shorts and had sunglasses and was like hang 10 like that might people would be like you know what yeah I didn't like a lot of that but I liked when that old man said hang 10 you call this a skateboard right but like the circle vision I'm sure was awesome initially when it was developed

in 1959 or whatever but like I feel like they had tried they were trying things to figure out how to make it updated and part of it was like let's put a show in front of it and I think that was a good idea but I think ultimately Circle Vision

especially now I'm just like it doesn't really work it doesn't really make sense no because it doesn't listener if you've never been in a Circle Vision theater you do have the that issue of and I forget for correct tell me if they've ever fixed this, but like isn't the, you've got the separation between the screen. So you've got like walls, not what, or just like columns that in order to have room for

the projectors to cut through. So it's not like a full 360 enveloping, which I imagine some technology would make possible today and it entails in comparison to the sphere. It's called sphere. Yeah, I was what I was going to say. Yeah, they didn't make the mistake of putting screens all over it. They just put just part of it. They just put grass.

They just put grass behind. and scared the out of focus shot it's not a focus name where it's a little Scotts beloved grass but like I feel like because people would see back to the future of the ride and stuff like Star Tours existed like at this point at this point

and it's like and you move in those so it's like there are a couple like there's so much like good stuff here it's just like it's missing an element still somewhere like if you moved and you were flying along with them I think people like I liked when I moved

But I'll say as a kid, I felt relieved that I knew it wasn't going to do anything scary. Right. I understand that. I'm just speaking to where I was at. Right. At the time of my life when I saw this. It was really successful for us little weiner kids. I'm not saying.

I would like regular. It was like perfect for where we were in the 19, or the mid-90. I might have loved it if I saw it as a kid. Between the alien encounter and the thrills of the Tamarley and Trans-Other. One of the other things that's cut out from the French version is, There is a sequence where Jules Verne takes off in a hot air balloon above Red Square in Moscow. Yeah. And the Wikipedia just says, as such, taken under intense conditions by Walt Disney productions in then-Soviet Union.

I don't know what that means. It's also weird that it's kind of written in Yaakov Smirnoff, Tom. The hot air balloon scene was filmed over Red Square and as such, taken under intense conditions by Walt Disney productions in the then-Soviet Union. They had to be very careful because relations were... I don't know, but then it was like a quick, like, easy. We're cutting that out before we go to America. Before Clinton and, like, Boris Yeltsin were, like, buddies. It's the difference between, like, 91 and 94 is a big...

Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. I believe they went and filmed it using the Big Mickey balloon because they also got footage of the Big Mickey. It was like a two-fer. They filmed footage for the movie, and they got the Big Mickey balloon in Red Square, which is a very like everything's coming together we'll solve

with the government can't see it's like Josh making a toilet pool cleaning commercial and then making a funny sketch on the same day they have the toilet

I didn't see that one coming I didn't see a Jash well I was going to say Smas and I was like no Smas still going to very pop Mr. Ford don't you think it's like when Josh

do you like that do you like the comedy of smosh it's still going you just have so many different questions you want to ask never hired me Paris

um what do we think about future Paris that you end of which you go to in the Orlando version as well yes it's a little inexplicable that you go to the future of Eiffle Tower They added everything else including the New York City skyline

which ended up being one of this attraction's undoing Yes, well, let's pet, all right, and Spotlight goes on Jason Keklunk. What is one of the big things that caused the downfall of this attraction? The Timekeeper caught the novel Corona. Yeah, in the footage in the Magic Kingdom one, in addition to the clock in front of the timekeeper telling you that day's year, you would see the Twin Towers. Yeah, yeah. which caused that the what was there they didn't

like there wasn't a budget to change the ride film or to cut the sequence so what they decided to do is instead of that the time that they tell you the current time that it is the solution was if you're watching this Twin Towers footage in 2004 that they just tell you that you were in the year 2000 it's always 2000 it's always the year 2000 that is so goddamn depressing

it's very similar to the Mars 2120. entrance ride which similarly also has to like you're like you're about to hit the Twin Towers and then for years it's open

and you're just like when is this what's going End of culture that's when the simulation went up to and that's what the Matrix The Buzz Buzz Buzz I threw my four

into the sea when they said Buckman it was the other thing was like attendance tourism went down so much Yes. They were running this seasonally and carousel of progress.

Another 9-11 effect. It seems like heresy to me. But it's just like a perfect double header of like tourism is down. In general attendance is down on everything. The least popular rides are not playing to completely empty houses, right? And on top of this, this unpopular attraction has footage of the Twin Towers in it. Oh, man. Yeah, like they could figure it out for Spider-Man.

We have to figure it out for Spider-Man. but I don't know if we can solve it for... I think I've said this before, but the only other time my whole family went to Orlando together was like October 2001. My dad's like... Oh, because your dad clocked that... We're going in January.

Rates are going to be low. Right, right. Yeah. How was it? Fun but kind of sad. Yeah, yeah. But what was my big islands of adventures trip? Much like November, 2021.

Still a little... Yes. Funky. Lines. pretty much of most of open still a little funk yeah it was nice that there was limited crowds and islands was fresh and we were staying

in the hard rock hotel we're saying a universal property to mix it up yeah great great hotel easy you know easy to get around with those boats and walking it's interesting that you like the hard rock so much when you're not very good at rocking I

and I have stayed there this is another there we go selective hard rocker and noon. 2000 might be the end point of hard rock updating. Maybe it gets in 2000. We lost everything we held so dear. Dead the culture, yeah. It's like the brand hard rock doesn't indeed rock?

Is that what you're saying? Well, everybody makes music on computer on their laptop these days. We don't even have instruments, you know, rock and roll instruments that we can hang in these restaurants. You have these DJs in these helmets? They don't even have something they could donate and I could eat my meal next to. So sorry, even the phrase we, everyone makes musical on computers nowadays is 15 years old at this point. That was a very current talking point. You see the young people with the computers.

They don't even out of rock and roll. They're too busy clicking and typing. Taylor Swift got to do football pod, football man podcast to announce album. Who invented the typewriter and then could you do the Dennis Miller voice again with that reference? Yeah. Less like Keith Richards, more like whoever invented the type version. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If only the timekeeper was here, you would know, he would know and admire him so much.

I could do Gutenberg Press, but who invented the typewriter? To the Christopher Latham Scholes. Yeah. His modern rock and roll musicians, they're like Christopher Latham Sholes over here. Fucking and type them. Spend a less time imagine dragons, more time imagining playing your instrument. Maybe you should take a band that does play Maybe I should take up music criticism, Jason

Yeah, these are good little quotes Wait, I was trying to do, Dennis Lerry Yeah, but I'm saying Or Dennis Miller said it's Leary Either one You might have stumbled into a second career Yeah Well, I don't know, what is it?

What's the final note? What's an optimistic note, all-law, the glorious shining Eiffel Tower in the future. These characters should be repurposed. There should be a Rex type use of that. I mean, there's a lot of situations or a lot of characters that should be used in that situation where they were somewhere and they should be put somewhere to be appreciated, put them into different context.

It obviously would have been so much harder to do. I mean, in Paris and Tokyo, this was replaced with astroblasters, right? Yeah. That's the fate of all the Circle Vision theaters, I think, is the space for, He's on the last floor, which makes total sense. I mean, I like that show. It's fun. But it speaks to how.

It's one of 12 full-time jobs improvisers can have in the country. It speaks to how fucking big the Circle Vision Theater, though, is that it, in two cities, Astroblasters could fit in. I should have brought this up earlier. Did we see the different design for the Tokyo robot? It's a man, right? It's a man's face. It's a pretty different design. Wow.

Wow, wow. I like him. I like him too. He looks a little, like you can see his features from far away a little bit better. He looks a little like the Dyer Straits Money for Nothing video guy. Yes, you're right. Very angular. He looks very smooth features.

Early polygon kind of CGI person. Yeah. The subtitle like the subtitle of time after time just sounds so melancholy. Yes. I like it being the time keep, like you're going to meet a character. Yeah. And like you guys saying that there was this like, kind of rejection of why

are they pushing originals on us right now if there had been any timekeeper nine I merch I would have been spending my mom's disability Disney dollars on that immediately like I remember looking for it you know was there ever I would have taken home I don't think there's been a

vinyl mation I don't feel like I don't I'm gonna say there's probably some in there's probably some out of print vinyl nation I don't know that there is a time of keeper vinylation like the one with Mickey years where they would just grind them out. Yeah, that's Valemation.

Yeah, but no, no, I mean the like lesser. Pins of Nine-Nine TimeKeeper. But we want more than pins. The poster was good. The poster, I think, originally for Euro Disney, repurposed for Magic Kingdom. I've got clock, it says Clock Timekeeper, but I don't know what that's from. Is that from a movie? That's a separate thing, but there is like, there's this timekeeper pen, there's a

nine-eye pen, but I'm seeing... And you can buy those cool watches that Gerard DiBard-Diff or do use the smoke that And you can buy the dears. You can show how proud you are to be Russian. I'm seeing no like three dimensional representation of timekeeper or Nainai's character. Yeah, because

Alien Counter gave us action figures. Yes. Oh, oh, wait a second. Wait a second. Okay, there's this. But what is this? There's an $800 statue. It just landed on this too. Is this by a fan? That's what I'm trying to figure because it says it's made by Kevin

and Jody for Disneyland. Oh, no, those are designers. They do official stuff for a day, yeah, yeah. But I don't know. They do really cool stuff. I mean, and this looks like a stock photo on the, on the eBay. It's not an in-hand picture. There's a less expensive version that's $180 or so.

So this is like an eBay fine. With his little mechanism that he uses to, with his buttons. I would love to have, but across three countries and decades, it feels like this is maybe the only thing they ever made. It was super high end. made unofficially and recently. Yeah. Wild. Huh?

Well, I don't know. I mean, it just, it does remain this kind of like magical epitome of the, you know, the kind of thing that we like to talk about, just like that these shows that nobody is really tracking the mythology of and like, did I see that and did this happen? Yeah. Like, I don't know. I mean, I don't mind it as being part of this kind of like memory glaze that we all have.

That is, there's like a lot of magic to that. memory glaze and that we talked about with Epcot where you're like it is kind of nice that like some of it's like was it only a dream yes not that you remember like oh I remember seeing every top 10 Disney IP represented in the park and it is it is fun to like think back as a kid and it felt like I just discovered this show and maybe it didn't exist I don't know it's very funny to think that there might be Disney Lynch Disney World trips where I was so focused on the fake city elements and then the greasy Sega

and it says controller that I got. That was my favorite thing. And like a pizza I had one night. That was probably the same frozen pizza I had the other night. What you're describing is you actually, you being a normal kid, that there were glimmers out. We all had moments of being normal kids

before we went into this tangent. Yes. This life tangent. But also, the three of us were abnormal enough kids that we all latched on to Timekeeper in very specific ways. The one about history and inventors. I think this attraction is an interesting counterpoint to extraterrestrial encounter, which was like such a calamity on a big scale of like people are screaming and they're upset about this

and Jason is giving it two thumbs up. You know, but like this didn't work in a big flashy way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Versus like three countries all iterating on this same thing that they felt really bullish about and they're like, is this thing just too lame? Is it just a little dorky? Does it just lack a little, like, pizzazz? Yeah.

To the point where this sad evolution, where the space earmark for this at Disneyland, becomes the line for a big, loud, squealy roller coaster attempt, the rocket rods, which also just sputter out and close, close even faster than the timekeeper did. It just dies this very slow, ignoble death and is, like, kind of forgotten.

Right, it is, because you don't see there's so much stuff with Disney where people have completely like held it up in such high regard. Obviously, figment, but like other stuff, you see a lot more of... Lack of character nostalgia here. It's fascinating. And there's also, there are multiple movies

that could have saved Tomorrowland. I mean, obviously we talk about Tomorrowland a lot. Well, Fantastic Four First Steps just saved it. It's on the way to saving. Is it officially saved? Okay. I just feel like right now those plans are being handbraked as well.

I, yeah, I guess so. Robots was DreamWorks. Remember that one just called Robots? Robots was a blue sky animation film released by Fox featuring the voice of Robin Williams. As a robot. Oh, as a robot. Didn't even put it to it.

Which now, does Disney now own robots? Now they do own robots. Probably logistically owns, so they have robots and Meet the Robbins. Yes. Wow. But Tomorrowland movie obviously was supposed to save Tomorrowland. Meet the Robinsonsons. Fantastic Four, I think they thought was this time.

That's gotten the closest. Closet. But if I'm them right now, that movie exists in a weird space where it is not an absolute flop, but it did not re-ignite the fire. But maybe they go, well, let's wait for the sequel. I think they wait until

Doomsday and the sequel and keep drafting up plans. But at this point, Tron 3, it's all we have is Tron 3. Oh, Tron Aries. John 3 when it gets another similar amount of money. All these things. Yeah. At Disneyland,

they should never take down that sign coming soon fence. For what? There is an entrance, at the entrance of Tomorrowland, there was going to be kind of like a mid-century modern googie kind of like Tomorrowland sign. And I don't think it's ever

it's been like coming soon since like maybe 2019, 2020. Is that still up? Isn't it still up? I don't know, maybe it is. I feel like it might still be up. I mean they've been yes, but they've been teasing tomorrow in for 20 years

I don't know if you bought it you got your hopes up you got your hopes I did I thought it was so so so up intro they teased me they there was their fault not mine that was a very naive motherfuckers

they teased me they teased me if I I don't know if this is an up note to end on but I do feel like we need to go down this corridor briefly Bruce Broughton did the music for this attraction I was listening to it and I was

like man this is like such soaring kind of like sugary the wonder of imagination kind of music he did a lot of good attraction music of that nature so i was like who did this is this one of those attractions were secretly like fucking like jerry goldsmith wrote the music or whatever and i was like bruce broaden but he's like a guy he's kind of like an interesting journeyman who has like really high highs he did the 1990s version of the 20th century fox fanfare which is basically the one that i think has kind of retained to this day but that 90s era, all the studios redoing their

fanfare. All of those sound the best to me. Like 90s Universal logo, 90s Disney. Like 10, 20 years later they over cranked it. Yeah, yeah, sure. That was like the level of they got like the proper majesty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good fanfares in that time. Yes.

He did the scores for Silverado and Tombstone. He got an Oscar nomination for Silverado. Wow. Rescuers down under. Both Homeward Bound movies. Young Sherlock Holmes, Baby's Day Out. Harry and the Henderson's. Miracle on 34th Street, the score and the theme song for Tiny Tune

Adventures. Wow. The early parts of his career are a lot of big TV shows where I was like, oh shit, he did Dallas. He did individual episode scoring of Dallas. He didn't do the theme song. He did Hawaii 50. Individual episodes not the theme song. But he did do everything for Tiny Tunes. He did music for Soren, Spaceship, Earth,

Ellen's Energy Adventure. Yeah. A lot of this future optimistic magic really comes from the sky. He's a lecturer at a, the UCLA composition department. But he's also just like big power player, board of directors, ASCAP,

governor of the academy, Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, society of composers and lyricists. He's a past president. And then I was like, why is this name so familiar to me? And as a broken-brained Oscar nerd, I was like,

that's fucking right. In 2014, as someone who tunes in for the Oscar nomination ceremony, is like checking off how many things I got right. It's rare. You wake up, wait,

that's an early wake up for... Absolutely. Yeah. I often, now go right back to bed after it happens, but I do wake up for it. I set the alarms. It's rare that there's like a nomination in a major category where you're like,

what the fuck is that? I haven't heard of that. Yeah. They announced in 2014 a nomination for Best Original Song, alone yet not alone from the movie, alone yet not alone. And I was like, what the fuck is this?

And it's a Bruce Broughton track. He was formerly a governor at the academy. He's at high standing. The full title of the movie is Alone Yet Not Alone, Their Faith Became Their Freedom, Retitled Massacre Buffalo Valley for some television showings, and Wikipedia describes to it as an American Christian, Captivity Native, Historical Drama Film. Yeah, that genre.

Right. It's a movie that just, like, doesn't exist, barely got a release, got this Oscar nomination, and it was like, bizarre. And then, like, a week later, they announced it was going to be a rare instance of something being un-nominated. Wow. They rescinded the nomination because they found out that Broughton had been sending emails trying to convince people to vote for him. He had improperly contacted other branch members to try to whip votes. Sending 70 or so emails.

So he is one of the. Very few un-nominated men in history. That's wild. Wow. Wow. That is, does that say it on his Wikipedia? Oh, it's got its own little subsection. Oh, no.

In a great filmography. What a bad little scar. Now you end with a blemish on his career. Oh, my God. A blemish on his career and a blemish on that Oscars, which was the Ellen Sophie Oscars. Oh. Otherwise, the epitome of joyous Oscars. With everyone in it is a wonderful American treasure.

Oh, if Jules Byrne had taken, like, selfies and stuff? Oh, that would have been funny. Oh, if somehow, if it had predicted selfies, it would be like the finest piece of futurism. Oh, man, if Jules Verne was just like, I just swipe up in a new video appears, look at this dance. I've never seen such a thing. I want to join the sorority. Has anyone photoshopped Epstein and Trump biting their lips at that party into the back of the Ellen? Oscar something.

That's a good idea. Just put them over spacey shoulder. That's a good idea. Whisper and jokes into each other. Beautiful secrets. Well, well, someone should, because that's an example of what technology

can do for us today. A world that Jules Verne himself couldn't have even dreamt of. But thank you, Griffin, for sending us into this world of optimism and there's the train. Finally, After a long journey of being on the tracks.

Very on the tracks. For every single second of it. And now we arrive at the station where we hear the call. Griffin Newman, you survived podcast the ride. Thank you for being here. Thanks for giving us a good one. I'm glad we saved this and protected it for so many years.

Let's exit at the gift shop. Anything you'd like to plug? So it's coming out in November? God, I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. I'll just say the blank check, my podcast. I do with David Sims.

At this point, some of the Coen Brothers series has come out, which has been exemplary and wonderful. Yes, the Coen series takes us through the end of the year because they make quite a lot of films. So we'll be at some point in that, but it's been really fun to do their movies. And we've had some awesome guess. Unreal lineup. This is like the best of what you guys do. Yeah. But I keep telling people, it's like it's so much less a statement about our show growing and more just like people were like, yeah, I'll come talk about the Coen's.

in a way I've never experienced with any other director we've covered before. Yeah. So you'll just go hard the other way. Now you'll find a filmography that you'll find that the whoever directed alone yet not alone. Yeah. Or we'll do Victor Solva next. Do Jonathan Frakes.

We do Franks. Pretty good. We did. Well, we have a Patreon. I should plug that too. But our Patreon blank check special features, we do franchises as like sort of watch long episodes. And we did all of the Picard. Trek movies earlier this year.

So we watched the two freaks. Two freaks. The two freaks. He did two out of the four. Eight and nine, yeah. Polansky didn't come back for the two freaks. Seagled John Towns called the two jakes. Yeah, he got it.

Incredible joke. Thank you. Thank you so much. There we go. Thank you. It was own bravo a lot, girl. I don't know why. Thank you, sir.

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