Podcast: The Ride - The Walt Robot

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

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It's the Walt Robot on Podcast The Ride. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, where we the hosts want to be very clear. When we die, we wish to be turned into as many robots as possible. I am hopefully future robot Scott Gardner, joined by future robot, God willing, Michael Carlson. Yeah, and any kind of robot is fine. You can turn me into a toilet robot for all I care. I just want to be a robot. It doesn't matter.

I'm going to need a little more elaboration as to how what specifically you're imagining when you say toilet robot and how it's possible to make it look in some way like you. There is any different, there's a number of. of ways you could make a toilet robot, I think. And I think like you could make a robot of me and it's my size. It's two scale. It's six three. And I'm holding a toilet bowl. It's like a sculpture from Batman and Robin or Batman Forever like one of the big buildings they have there. And I'm holding the toilet bowl and then the person would sit on it. And then maybe I would just say like encouraging things while you were on the bowl like, oh, good job or looks like you're done. And then

muscle through this right it could but I could even give I saw since it'll be the future I could have some sort of like database of medical knowledge so somebody said oh you know is there any tips you have to help this go faster and I'd say well you know fiber is a good thing to do so you could you know get one of those fiber crackers and have that with breakfast so like it could be a whole thing this is just one scenario okay and I'm spitballing there obviously can be improvements to to my idea here. Sure. Encouragement for young children. That's a nice image. A potty training child sitting on a bowl that is held up by a really jacked up version of you. A robot version of me. Yeah. So yeah. And you know, it can probably end up doing other tasks around the house. It can also probably like you could fill the toy once, you know, people aren't using it for a toilet like you could fill it with beer or something and the robot could enjoy like a frat party with a bunch of college students. and the beer and the toilet.

That's where I'm going to disagree is that I don't think I want an Adonis version of you that is primarily used as a toilet to also then shift the use of that bowl to at least tell me that it's a different, you got to take the toilet bowl out and put a different beer holding device in your arms. I won't tell you that. I can't tell you that. Well, then I'm out of this party. I'm out of this party of frat boys in the future. when I am probably also gone. Fair. Fair enough. But I, again, spitballing here, but there are half to be a few different rules laid down so far.

Okay, okay. Well, we will start out the details. We will also welcome back to the main feed, Jason Sheridan. Hello. Hi, yeah. I, well, obviously I was gunning for toilet robot as well. Mike took it. It was right there.

It was right there. And I mean, it was number one. one with a bullet on all of our lists. So I think I'd like to be, I'd like to maybe be microwave robot. And then I would like to chime in with like, hey, it's been a long time, but we still haven't figured out the best uses for that.

So like make sure to rotate your food halfway to flip the food, you know. Why do you guys both you both went to being robots who give advice about fairly obvious things Fiber helps you poop and rotating food wouldn't the microwave many I would say most microwaves rotate already and we aren't even in the future put a mug of water in the corner and that'll help steam it hmm not all not all food I guess only specific food items yeah well I think it just helps distribute the heat a little, too? When are you using a, like, I'm not saying you're wrong,

but when are you putting a mug of water? What items is that helping with? My dad and I both got really into the ego frozen pancakes for a while, and it's like you got a coffee, if you put a coffee mug like halfway full or three quarters of the way full with water in the non-moving corner of the microwave that come out at like perfect pancakes.

How long did this phenomenon last between you and your dad this? Getting really into a few months. It's just, but I didn't like it wasn't a multi-year thing. It was just like a couple months you were really, were you like talking about it a lot? I think it would come up every now and then I think for a while it was a standby. I would just swap out like waffles in the freezer.

Like, you know, that's an easy toaster waffle in the freezer. Sure. You know, wheat waffle, obviously the waffles, a wheat waffle is probably better food as much as any science-made food is. Absolutely. I think we got a great understanding of nutrition here, as we always do on podcast, The Red. The wheat waffle is going to go a long way to get you on Rodell. A filling breakfast is a toasting. wheat waffle with a spread of peanut butter

and a handful of blueberries. Like that's a sensible. The peanut butter on the waffle? On the waffle, yeah. How much peanut butter? How much peanut butter on that waffle do you think? I'm not a big Peter. I'm putting the butter knife in like

once and getting a smear. Like I'm not a big. Covering the whole service area? No, maybe leaving a little on the corners like uncovered. Wow. How long have you been doing that? I haven't done it in a while.

Okay. I don't know that I knew about that. We're talking about kind of a past Jason. I don't know now here's the question. Does waffle Jason overlap with Mike's much heralded scumbag Jason? Was scumbag Jason doing waffles in this manner?

No. Jason also I think questions the existence of scumbag Jason in general. He, I think, I feel like Jason wonders if this is entirely a Mike creation. No, he pops up once in a while. I don't know that I love scumbag, Jason, as a nickname. Because I feel like I was mostly being a little more outrageous on stage, but I feel like I still, in real life, I still was very considerate and had manners.

Well, we don't know. This is like, the way Mike puts it, again, I'm going off of Mike's mythology in which I, like, you know, in which you were a full leisure suit, Larry. I don't know. I'm going off an oral history here. Yeah, an oral history. Yeah, he was just a bodier guy. He was a bodier guy. He would say outrageous stuff.

And there was a different vibe. There was sort of an energy. He had a couple different nicknames. I think I've talked about that before. Here's a thing, though, is that, like, all right, I'm interested in Mike's version of things here. But also, Mike's definition of body is, like, like a well-endowed chicken wearing a garter in a theme park show from 1978. So I don't know where, when you say bawdy, then now I'm like, I don't know, I think maybe

scumbag, Jason, just like... Everything's relative, I guess, yeah. I think he maybe just once said the F word in the way that means sex. And Mike was like, my God, who am I dealing? Who's this Larry Flint I'm friends with? one man's body is another man's uh less body extremely tame man extremely tame but no he look i have just a few my look i have a few receipts i have a few receipts here and there but nothing crazy nothing outrageous don't be don't be pulling out the receipts i did i say i'm

going to pull them out i said no i have them but i don't i'm not going to pull them out that when you're describing a sense of a bit like black man when you put it like that. No, you just, Jason, as long as you do whatever I say for the rest of your life, everything is going to be fine. There's no blackmail there. You just have to follow my orders. That's all.

Hey, for listeners, I should mention today, we are on Zoom. And that today, the research fort has become a full-on recording nest. So I'm sitting on my... Research 4 is recording Nest. Yeah, I'm sitting on my bed. Well, you've done... This is not... Because didn't you do that...

You did the Griffin Dancing Cars episode this way as well, so this is not a first. Wasn't he on a couch for that? Oh, is that a couch? Yeah, I think it was trying out the couch coffee table. He was cozy on the couch. He was comfy cozy on the couch. Oh, the background's very similar.

So I don't think I even close. this so this is we are seeing you recording in the research fort slash yeah recording nest wow which i'm not just uh being bawdy as mike would say um showing showing you both um uh my my marital bed um but i am this is practical this is where mr wife is where mr wife gets to really be mr right yeah that's right this is where mr wife clocks in right um No, this is, there is construction, there was construction in the unit that shares a wall with my office. So this is as much practical as like a comfort thing. So, hmm, yeah. Well, how do you feel like it's affecting you mentally performance wise? What, what, how does it, does it feel

different to you in a positive or negative way? Um, so far, so good, you know. Hey, performance wise, find out. And performance wise, it's where I love to perform. Oh, wow, he's back. He's back. He's back. He's happening.

He's happening. Listen, that's it. That is that he get a little glimpse once in a while. The most, the most like vaudeville kind of like, oh, a little not. But again, this is where. We're talking about Mike's scale. Mike, like, Mike, I don't, Mike couldn't have handled vaudeville. Mike would have been protesting outside of vaudeville shows in 1897.

Mike couldn't have handled, um, he couldn't have handled time square 100 years before Spider-Man turn off the dark. He couldn't have handled Times Square like 20 years before Spider-Man turned off the dark. Uh, before Giuliani cleaned it up, you're saying. Before Giuliani cleaned it up. Well, look, let's be careful not to get too bawdy here because we are talking about something, you know, stayed in a, you know, a history of a man's life. We are celebrating something that has been happening at Disneyland for a few months now, I believe, since July, since the actual 70th anniversary date. They've been running a show called Walt Disney, A Magical Life, but there's no way that we are calling this episode anything.

other than the Walt robot. That let, yeah, you know, hey, fuck, fuck their little, fuck their little branding with their one of their seven words they like to use. We know what this is. Specifically, their term is Walt Disney, space dash space, a magical life. Space dash space? We're not in a colon situation? There's no colon, there's no M-Dash.

It appears to just be a normal dash. with spaces around it. Okay, good. Are you looking on the Disney on website? Well, Michael, I copied it and past it their term into an Apple note, and I'm looking at that. It says Walt Disney Dash, a magical life

I'm seeing on Disney land. Okay, dash. Normal size dash, long dash. Normal size dash, regular dash. Tiny dash, tiny dash. Little minus sign dash. Right, okay, okay. And we'll do it. Yeah. So we're here to do a tiny,

dash through this new attraction and experience. Boy, it's hard to believe that the Disneyland's 70th celebration is finally drawing to a close. You know, I think we'll never forget everything that we experienced and everything that they did. We will never forget the lightly different colors on various banners and on Mickey Mouse's shirt. I think these colors will flash to us on our deathbeds. So much I mean like favorite memories from the 70th I think you just brought it up

Is that that coat that Mickey was wearing That wasn't that had one of the sides longer than the other That was my favorite thing about the 70th I mean I guess other than some aspects Maybe a Volt robot but Mickey's coat was was maybe my favorite Although I didn't see it in person I just saw it in pictures

I haven't seen him wearing it at the park We all got to see pictures of a coat Boy, hey, when a scumbag Jason wore a coat, was there anything on underneath? Oh, my God. Of course it was a big trench coat. And, you know, I'll let you imagine what was underneath. A bunch of counterfeit watches.

So he could handle Times Square pre-Juliani. You'd make a living in there. When you remember, he was calling out all that fake weed in Times Square a couple years ago. The three-card Monty tables. The three-card Monty tables. Hey, pal, I know what this shit is. There's three-card Monty just a couple months ago. I recognized those card stains on a table anywhere.

Hey, pal, is this weed real? It's why Congress, like, passed that ban against hemp products, you know? Right. And you were for that. Well, I think the industry is largely for regulations, you know, more, more firm. regulate like clear regulations but usually for my delta eight stuff i only buy from reputable podcast sponsors so that's just a reminder that's the best that's the best place to buy any and everything that you need is from from a podcast anyone who is sponsoring a podcast absolutely yeah

you know what i think i'm yeah yeah buy every no matter what it is don't even don't even listen to the ad just go to the end to the offer buy a it blankly. Just like start entering, enter as much money as you can into the box. I'd like to spend $600 on this. I didn't even know, I didn't even find out what the product is. There's, there's, I think, you know what's going to resonate with me for sure. And I don't know how we haven't talked about this before was the 70th anniversary stickers in Midway Mania that Andy, Andy, the owner of the toys, first owner of the toys before Bonnie, of course, we all know that this year, Andy stuck different 70th anniversary stickers all along

the midway, including among the targets in the attractions carnival games. The stickers not only enhanced the decor, but also the guest scores. You know, I have countless memories of hitting targets worth 700 or 7,000 points as well as different celebrate happy stickers. I mean, how do I go back to regular, boring ass dumb fuck midway main? after I've experienced it through my rose-colored 70 glasses. With all the stick? Wow, well, I mean, for sure what you're saying is something I remembered and experienced this year at Disneyland. There's no way I'm just either either that's something I forgot or didn't know.

There's no way that. Huh. And you did that? You saw the stickers? You experienced them? Oh, yeah. I think I forgot to bring it up because I was like so happily almost black. out drunk every time I went to do it. I was so much in the 70th spirit. I was imbibing 70th anniversary

cocktails, which I know existed. And I'm not just making up. Just the 70th delirium. I don't, you know, it's going to be the way people go like, you know, well, do you remember doing this or that? Answer, it was the 80s. I don't remember a thing. That's what it's going to be like for me. I don't remember any of this 70th year. I was just, I was having too much damn fun. Yeah, celebrate an anniversary by blasting away the decorations.

Digital decorations, yeah. That's amazing, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, just so much to remember. And so it's, you know, it's going to be hard to fully say goodbye to it. Although I guess technically it lasts till next summer. So you'll have plenty of opportunities to go. you know, blasts them happy.

Enjoy, yeah, enjoy the platinum celebration. All of us can for another few months, which is nice. So, yeah, I've been a handful of times this year. I would say I'm back. My numbers are getting back up going to Disneyland. Obviously, they waned during the closure and then having a child. But no, I feel like my numbers are back. I feel like I've gone like eight times this year, nine times.

times this year. That's back, that's closer to what it used to be in the glory days of youth. You're doing this with the energy of, uh, forgive me father, uh, for I have sinned. It has been, uh, four months since my last confession, but that's better before it had been like two years. And right, I didn't mind some of that was pandemic. And I don't really want to be in a confession booth during, you understand. All your numbers went down. But no, I'll be back really soon. Don't worry. There's great shame when I say that. If that's what you're getting at. Yeah, There's a lot of shame and upsetness, but look, that's just the way it is. You got a kid, but now, you know, bringing the kid.

And we're going to go back once, at least one more time before the end of the year. And we'll celebrate happy. You know, we bring the wives. We're Mr. Wife, too. I'm Mr. Wife, too. And I will bring her. You guys were the early adopters. Of being Mr. Wife.

Of being Mr. Wife. But we hadn't coined the term. We hadn't put such a fine point on it. One man perfected being a wife guy, and it's Jason Sheridan, okay? Sure, other people have done it before, but no one's done it quite like him. That's what I say. And if you want to shake off the label of scumbag, Jason, a much better thing to be is wife guy. A description you can always trust from anybody.

Try guys notwithstanding. Sure, we couldn't trust that wife guy, but. It's always a good sign. No, but so much remember, you know what, I also, maybe it's worth briefly mentioning that, you know, I have not been a ton, because I'm a little bit grounded by new little second child who we aren't taken to the parks yet. But soon enough, I feel like that'll begin maybe the end of next year. But we got, we just got a great getaway with our oldest. and because he hadn't been in like a year and a half, and that's a big, the shift from three to five and a half,

that gives you a lot more bravery and a lot more willingness to try stuff. And the trip we just took, the stats on this, I just got to say it, because I'm proud, first haunted mansion, first Pirates of the Caribbean, first star tours, first astroarbitter, first Tiki room, first jungle crews. First, Mark Twain.

That might actually be the champion. We did this beautiful, I mean, something that I know Jason appreciates and likes when they, that magical experience of they are not running Fantasmic so you can do nighttime Mark Twain. And we did it so perfectly wonderfully twinkling that like amazing. I'm going to say plus up. You know, I think we've lauded this before. but that like the rock work that was necessitated by a galaxy's edge and moving the train track that wall that looks so great in twilight and they don't overlight it it's kind of lit by moonlight or by the train itself or by the mark twain and we're on the second level and watching my son just wave so sincerely and enthusiastically to the train from the deck of the of the mark twain this this was magic stuff we had to we had a lot it was as good of a five-year-old trip as you could do wow that's great yeah we that's awesome it's interesting because my my three-year-old is now tall enough to do space

mountain guardians of the galaxy and you're obsessed with this but you talk about this all the time but she is she hit it she hit the note she hit it she hit the height so now is so where are we going with it when do you start you got to follow her lead I have to I have to I have to fight with the rest of the family to get her on a couple of these rides. This is what the problem is. I think you got to fight with your co-os, too. I don't, you got to, don't push it. I'm not pushing her on Guardians, but I'm like, she could do cars. Yeah, cars is an interesting one. I can't, yeah, I have not been fully confident on whether cars should be in the maze. I was not fully confident, you know, you know, I was nervous about Pirates of the Caribbean, me having a history of

having a problem with drops and overthinking drops. And we're like, So how do we deal with this? There is a drop, and it's no splash mountain, but there is a drop at the top of this ride. How do we coach him through this? And what we decided was, don't tell him. We just did not even make him aware there was a drop and a thing to be afraid of. Because once he did it, he just laughed and smiled. And that drop was not actually a big deal whatsoever.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's, let's, I'm trying to end the cycle by not letting him build things up psychologically. the way I did and the way I, you know, made Splash Mountain, this demonic task that I have waited for decades, which is completely insane. Well, it sounds like you're on your way to doing that. Yeah, my daughter now is afraid of ghosts, so she won't do haunted. She says, no haunted mansion, I'm too scared for that.

But she does like pirates. And she does like the, if you ask her why she likes it, she'll say the waterfalls. Oh, great, great. She goes, I like the waterfalls. So that's like her favorite thing. Has it, hasn't it been nice to be, to do trips with children and then you're on these rides and going, did you like that? Yeah, I did. What was your favorite part?

Oh, the dropper, this robot, or that to take it back to the basic level of why we like these places as opposed to the perverse, overly detailed 5,000 podcast episode level that we have ended up. Do you know what I'm saying? Hasn't it been nice to go back to square one? like, oh right, Disneyland, a place for families where we like to go and then say we and woo and that was fun. You're saying it's a simpler way of looking at it than perhaps talking at length about robot intimacy or intimacy with robots in general or do we like a lot of the creepy phrases are gone. You know, getting to, like, just enjoy this famous and good ride and get away from the world of, like, now I like the tiki room bathroom because it's a full door stall. And then I don't have my little legies dangling and people aren't seeing my little shoesies. You know, that kind of shit we do.

When you're there with a kid, it's like, you forget we even do an overly detailed podcast where we say a lot of creepy words about everything we talk about. Although leggies, that sounds like something I would have had a conversation with my three-year-old about. Like, your leggies are dangling off the little toilet. And we did go in the, we did, she went in there with my wife, with the wife at the tiki room bathroom the other day. So it's a nice, I hear what you're saying. You are still pushing it. You are, you still went out of your way to go. This is a nice bathroom.

We should use the nice bathroom. It has to creep in sometimes. Sometimes it has to creep in. That sounds like a conversation you'd have with me talking about my little legies dangling in bathrooms and stuff. That's true. Do you both realize that I brought up little legies? as a condemnation of the kind of crap we say. And then the two of you could not have taken to the phrase little legies faster.

You do you pounce, this is mine now. I love it. It's part of me. I am defined by that. I love to talk about my little legies. Sorry, brother. You know, once you get in the habit of yes-ending, you never lose it. Jason, I mean, that is something.

All you're doing is following the rules of improv. In another world, you would hate talking about your little legies. but as an improv student I must I simply must Well he's an artist He's an improv artist And he devoted his life to it And a student

A lifelong student I'm not a guru Not yet He studied at the feet of all the Grates of all the improv grates And now he's just employing the technique The little featsies Of all the improv grates you mean?

Yeah the little featsies He studied their little They're little piggy tozies This little piggy went to Mark This little piggy played game. This little piggy did a herald. Del Close's little piggy's walked into a theater and changed everything. With one wave of his little dinky pinky improv was never the same.

As much as I want to seize that. His pinky wasn't dinky. Take that back. It was big and alcohol bloated. As much as I want to use all those words you just said and then build on I do. I will go back to the simple, yes. It is nice to see what resonates with a kid brain. Because you just, yeah, you do remember.

And sometimes you get old, you get jaded. But the child, seeing that through a child's eyes is a nice thing. It is, it is. Now my child's eyes. And I'll hold down the fort for the sickos. Good. Somebody needs to. From your little bed where you're from your little nest.

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I was going to attend. Nor did mine. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So how did you, did you, did you like do this on a family trip and break off or did you do you do it solo or how did you okay okay yeah i was with the family he's gonna do his work attraction daddy has to go do some work uh he broke off i texted guy selga and i said are you in the park earlier and he said i am and i said well i'm gonna have to go meet i'm gonna have to go meet walt if you want to go see

the show and so he did so we walked through the lobby and saw the show together uh great it's a couple weeks ago at this point i guess but yeah so that's that is how that was the first time I saw it, um, that was my experience. Uh, uh, uh, yes, great. I, I, I did it back in August on, uh, on, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, a, buzz, bus, skittles, and, uh, and, uh, I, that's neither here nor there, uh, but, but, uh, but let's, let's, let's dig in. I guess before we, we, we talk about the experience, I think maybe something that, uh, bears mentioning is sort of the, the, the history of how this came to be, uh, uh, how we ended up with this, you know, not just the robot, but the Walt-based show in this theater. Because here in Disneyland and California, you get to meet Walt, as you said, in the Main Street Opera House, in the theater that is for a long time been one of Walt's personal favorite shows, great moments with Mr. Lincoln.

and they have for so many years almost I would say you know since since Walt was gone and not minding the store and making sure that they kept Abe there I think they've been trying to come up with other things to do in this theater I think like there is a respect for for tradition and for the things that Walt loved but there's also a respect for filling theaters and moving people through things and having shows to promote. So at various times through the years, they've tried to get something, anything else, into this Main Street Opera House. From 73 to 75, they pulled a very similar move, which was putting in something called the Walt Disney Story, something I'm pretty much unfamiliar with.

I think it was a similar line. It was like a 20-minute piece that was the story of Walt's life, probably with some material that we're seeing in this new show today. And that seems like the way to do it. I think in the 70s, they were like, that's a pretty even, that's Indiana Jones trading the bag with the idol. Like same thing, right? Okay, okay.

Yeah, Abe and Walt. Same thing. We can get away with this. They did not get away with it. This ran from 73 to 75 and people were bad. People got mad. It's a Walt thing and not an Abe thing. Like there was already Disneyland traditionalism, even though Walt, or even though Abe had not been in that theater for that long.

So they had to, this was an early instance of them being afraid of the traditionalists. And, okay, here's what we're going to do. It is now the Walt Disney story featuring great moments with Mr. Lincoln, one of Disneyland's first tortured titles. And they just, they had to make it both of them. Or I forget how they did it if they trade it back and forth or it's some Walt show. And then it culminates in Lincoln because Walt loved Lincoln. There, are you happy? We did a new thing to try to get some new.

butts into these seats for God's sake. Lincoln is not a draw. We need to get more people. I think he was in the 64 World's Fair when human-shaped animatronics were new. But by the 70s, we're swimming in them. We see them all over Pirates of the Caribbean. This is not, this is like being

blasé about people going to space by the early 70s. We've been to space. snooze. We've seen animatronics snooze. We've got to do something else. Yeah. And they're at the park all day. They're opening their wallets. What do they, they see Abe Lincoln on the five. That's a good point in the face of him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Why should he's he's on my person and the penny as well? Why would I, why would I put a lot of time into seeing somebody lives in my pocket? Back in the, even in the 70s, would get you something now they don't even make them anymore we got a lot of thoughts

yeah there's what are we doing losing the penny yeah by the way i i'm i really dropped the ball i waited too long to buy the tops baseball cart the commemorative uh penny trading card and it sold out oh you were gonna you were going to buy that yeah it was like a limited run, it was like $8 a card. Why are we all saying that like we know what this is? What is this? It's a trading card with a penny on it to commemorate

the final pressing of the penny. What else is on the trading card? Well, there's chasers that have like different pictures of pennies. So it is a trading card of pennies with a penny attached. No, there's no

penny attached. Oh, I don't know how I got that in my head. that was a penny that's what you were talking about. You thought that too? Okay, okay. All right. So we did need an investigation about this Topps penny card. So it's a card about pennies that costs $8.

Because they pressed the final penny in Philadelphia a few weeks ago. Wow. So you wanted a card with a drawing of a penny on it? And I'm apparently not the only one because it, no, it's a picture of a penny. I'm shocked you. You haven't seen. You're right. You're not the only one.

there's plenty of elderly people who are facing just penny remembrance 60 year old 70 year olds there are plenty of people all kinds of 100 year olds the few who is still great I think all the viewers of Fox News bought those cards for sure they ran ads during yeah every Fox and Friends break two those two minute long ads that take up the entire commercial break Jason is not

politically aligned with Fox News but he buys everything on the commercials on Fox news. Yeah. And he's a fan of all the personality, all the, all the esteemed actors who appear in the commercials. Yeah. Penny trading cards, chuckulary catheters, reverse mortgages. You turn it off when the shows come on and you just turn to make sure the commercials

are on for Fox News. I do the reverse of most people. I mute the programming and unmute the commercials. You do it. Every day is the. Super Bowl when it's Fox News. I watch it for their commercials. Anyways, so they're trying to get rid of Lincoln.

In the 90s, this was a spot where they really wanted to put Muppet Vision 3D, which people really amped on because it was new in Disney World. And that's when the traditionalists really lost their fucking shit. That's when they all started peeing in fear through their Chuck Woolery catheters. What do you mean? and put the Muppets, put this green piece of felts in place of our finest president. Meanwhile, like, not knowing, and so they fended it off, but, like, you realize today, our generation gets much more livid about any threat to a Muppet-based environment than we would be to something

with Lincoln in it. I think that, yeah, that is true. The Muppets particularly, yeah, it would be interesting to, like, see, I would love, like, this won't happen. and I guess this is like a job for Lentesta, but like gauge all the different things in the parks and how mad people would be. And like what would be the fever pitch of madness?

Is it the Muppets 3D going away? Was that as mad as people would get? Or people get madder about Space Mountain like going away and being replaced by Guardians or something, the Epcot coaster? I would be interested to know, but I think you're on to something with the Muppets being one of the top anger.

Yeah, yeah. Although that being said, it happened in Florida. It is gone. We were there. I don't know that the profile of us and the others who were there wearing Muppet shirts and pins. I don't think it was a kind of anger that they were intimidated by. You don't think that Josh tomorrow said, oh, there's the podcast, The Ride Guys, and there's Disney Dan. And look at all those tough content creators out there.

We should maybe rethink these plans or else they're going to riot at the end of today. You don't think that was in their mind? With brightly colored hats, purses, and puppets they brought from home, each making more obscure references than the last. Do you think this is a dark thought, but do you think some of the higher-ups laughed looking at the videos of people being sad?

At least one of them. Do you think like Josh Tomorrow is like in his limo and he's like kind of like they're driving away from he's like ha ha ha he gave like a little laugh just like just like just you know not that he's an evil guy or anything i'm just saying do you think maybe he there's a little bit of like those nerds those nerds no he's one of us he's one of us we all declared like one day one day dizz twitter because he was like you know like he he wore a button when the park reopened after the pandemic he's nerd he's big tall Big Tall, nicely tan nerd.

Michael Eisner never chuckled evilly when he got rid of something. That's my take. You know, he's pragmatic. Yeah. Didn't celebrate. Didn't revel in it. I agree. Mike's picturing like a Tammany Hall, like a let them eat cake situation.

Maybe. It's possible. I'm just, Ken, I'm asking questions. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, do you think something like this happened? That's all I'm doing. inquiring minds want to know. That's what I was saying.

Exactly. So what exactly what I'm saying. So, you know, when putting a new show in here, they definitely faced the Lincoln obstacle that has been an obstacle for a long time. But, and then they basically, I think this was finally enough. It was like what they tried to do with Walt Disney story. It's for the 70th. It's tributing our hero. And you're getting a new robot.

We're getting like new top quality. We're essentially getting the shaman. song but it's the founder of the plate you can't exactly argue with this and and keep in mind turntable we're gonna spin it back and forth but lincoln is still back there there's uh you know there's silver fish crawling in his beard but we'll chase him out and in a couple months we'll spray him down with a hose and lincoln'll be bad we can spin that turntable back any Lincoln has some clothes on. He's like the chair in your bedroom where you're like,

I only wore it for like an hour and it's not dirty, dirty, but like I don't want to throw it in the hamper. Yeah, it is interesting knowing he's back there while you're seeing the Walt show though. Yeah, I haven't thought about that aspect. Yeah, kind of like, yeah, directly. There's just a like a slumped Lincoln. In a chair?

Is his default space in a chair? So is he just like... I would think, yeah. So he's like in a big presidential chair and a suit just like looking down sadly. This is like a final days Biden. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. He's a president taking an...

What am I saying final days, but this is Biden? This is newly elected Biden. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. 2021, Biden prime. Biden prime. He's just sitting there. hearing like well no I don't draw Mickey Mouse anymore well no I don't draw Mickey Mouse anymore

like over and over and over I guess so when he comes back to life he might say the Walt stuff he might he might have forgotten the Gittiesburg address or whatever the fuck he says that that would be a very funny way for it to break as if the audio tracks got reversed um I I just want to say I when I first went to Disneyland would have been around 2006 there was no Lincoln right it was I feel like Lincoln was in the attic for a little while uh it was a movie yeah for the Steve Martin movie about probably which I believe was a holdover from the 50th that just stuck around because then they after that was there for a few years

they really were like and we redid the Lincoln Roboc and it's back you know that was like a big push at some point right yeah that's another one they did that Steve Martin movie but they were temporary it's temporary

temporary temporary just for a second and you like Steve Martin Steve Martin worked here Steve Martin magic shop it's going to be fine Park tradition that's where it goes in here I do wonder how long will our Disneyland last because we get coddled out here when it comes to the like experiences and in a way Disney World doesn't like they built Galaxy's Edge and there was a whole thing of like are

we going to lose the rivers of America are we going to lose the Mark Twain and they're like no no no no we're going in with a scalpel we're going to get rid of 20% of the river don't worry they went to all the trouble of doing that to extend it out so we could still have the rivers and have it whatever and the same thing with Lincoln it's like they've never destroyed the Lincoln robot they're like no No, no, don't worry, he's there. Don't worry, you know he's there. You'll be comforted by that fact.

Obviously, they've gotten rid of other thing. They've been rid of country bears and stuff. But, like, it does feel like there's still a coddling that happens with Disneyland versus Florida. They don't give a shit. There was a pretty big outcry about Muppets and a decent size about their rivers going away and the libel, what, a lily bell going away. They didn't give a shit. They're like, sorry, we're demolishing it. There's never a thought that they were changing that plan.

And now it's over. Now it's for sure done. Well, you've got the tradition here. I think there is always, and genuinely so. I think, you know, that it is like, you know, that it's, that it's, that it's, that it's that it's, that it's original 1955 stuff. Right. I think you're, there might be some point of cynicism.

That's what I'm wondering when it'll change. But the fact, I think it's, I think it helps that you've got California adventure just as the, uh, dumping ground of all other IP. And I don't even, that sounds harsh. I love, look, because I, I don't know, I love that you, if they, they need to do a bunch of Marvel stuff and they can do it in a parking lot. They, they want to do Avatar, which obviously I'm psyched about, and they're doing it in a bus loading zone.

I mean, that's, that's all awesome that that's working out that way. I hope I'm wrong. I do hope I'm wrong, but I do wonder if there comes a day and comes the new CEO when it's just like, they're going to get rid of Lincoln and they're going to, they're going to, like, blow them up with firecrackers or something like they don't even care there's going to be a time when that changes and we'll see i hope i'm wrong but i think there were two days there where they were like about to throw a bone to like where where a certain story had reached a fever pitch and i bet they were going like okay would it quell things if one we cancel kimmel and two it becomes great

moments with mr kirk i think they were getting ready like let's draw robot design in case we have to do this, in case people stay mad about this. Yes, yes, but then they kind of went back, I think. Yeah, so the world, yeah, we'll see how the world goes. I guess maybe what I'm saying is a bleak feeling about the world in general. Maybe that's where that's coming from when I asked that question. Sure, but that's a feeling that, you know, largely, often, hopefully goes away when we're

in the gates of Disneyland. And that's really the question is, when does it start to invade? That's when we'll know that it's all over. That is when we'll know it's all over When they But what would But it would also be something so Benign

It'll like You know It'll be like replacing Link I mean like It'll be like some lame Zootopia show goes in there instead of Yeah Oh yeah yeah That's what it's going to be yes

It's not going to be like something blasphemous It's just going to be another like movie thing or like They'll like turn Lincoln into Buzz Lightyear or something I mean they'll look do you have a problem with that if you went in and saw a speech an inspiring speech about instead of like you know re-ashing history on its face i don't on its face i don't but continually getting rid of anything interesting is a problem that's true but on on its face if buzz lightyer stood up and gave a speech as if he like was was lincoln yes i like that but

You're like rallying the troops against Zerg. That sounds great. Yeah. What if it was Buzz Lightyear, but he did a portion of the Gettysburg Address? Yes, I like that. Don't get me wrong. I'm not crazy. I like the idea of Buzz delivering the Gettysburg Address.

I'm just saying you start getting rid of anything. I'm a red-blooded man who wants to see Buzz Lightyear to the Gettysburg Address. Of course. I'm just saying, the more you get rid of weird little stuff, the lesson. it becomes Disneyland. That's all. Sure, sure. Well, now, of course, like, I don't know if you view this through the lens of, like, corporate cynicism because they're, like, they're attributing their proud history and their founder, and that's what they're attempting to do. But still, not everybody is

satisfied with this little switcheroo because they made it past the Lincoln obstacle, but there was still another obstacle. And I don't know how much you guys know about this obstacle. I wasn't really until a couple days ago the Joanna Miller obstacle Do you guys know this name? Yeah, I think I know we were going with this. Joanna Miller Is that one of the daughters?

That's one of the granddaughters. Granddaughters. I believe Diane Disney Miller who marries Ron Miller who was the CEO who provided the nice ample runway for the true Cs. like Eisner to come in. Of course, yeah.

Kick ass. So that one of their daughters is Joanna Miller. And I think in discussion of is there going to be a Walt robot. And by the way, this particular show, they were trying to do for seven years. That was the entire development period for this was seven years. So this was long in the works. And then by the time they announced it, it is too far done to ever scale it back. When they show you concept art of that robot and reveal that, it's happening.

That robot's probably partially built already. We know what the show is going to be. Can't put that genie back in the bottle. However, Joanna Miller, the granddaughter, does some posts about, that kind of bring it back to a personal level and to a family level. And here I will read a what I believe is a Facebook post by Walt's granddaughter, Joanna. Everyone, please stop the madness. Do not let them turn grandpa into a robot. And by the way, if this is...

well hang on here i just think it's funny that a that a that any family situation would ever turn into this this is you know you're dealing with a very special family where this this is the discreet on facebook that's an issue yeah um uh but anyways uh my mom tried to stop this years ago and they respected her wishes there is plenty of films so people can see and hear him talk he has told you everything on tv show lead-ins and specials Everyone who stepped forward when Uncle Robert's house was going to be destroyed and you did it. Now, that I don't know about. She's referring to Uncle Robert.

Who even is? I mean, I don't know what that is. Yeah, that sounds vaguely familiar. I don't know what is like, I feel like I've seen a couple like, oh, this is the Disney thing.

Save it before. And maybe that's what it is. Not familiar with that one. Please help protect the memory and legacy of grandpa. Now, something about this, you know, because I see some, when I hear like, oh, the mom, his daughter didn't want it and tried to stop it.

Like, that makes me feel bad. But then what makes it a little funny is that there's a lot of all caps in this post, including that grandpa is all caps. And it's spelled in that it's not grandpa, it's grandpa, which I associate with grandpa monster. I can't see grandpa. So when I'm seeing grandpa, which makes me think of the monsters and robot, I'm sorry, I'm just kind of smiling at this post. well it's funny because it's like he didn't Walt said he didn't want a robot of himself in the parks but the company especially have been using him and Walt

and his words and they've been you know manipulating the words for their own purposes and Walt there was a we have to build houses in the desert because Walt liked a place in the desert story not here right and like Walt didn't want this but he liked a one place in the desert, so he would have wanted houses to be built and Disney to build more housing everywhere. So it's funny because it's like,

yeah, but is a robot really the most egregious thing they've done with Walt Disney at this point? Yeah, well, and also like I think what she didn't anticipate then is that like any of us right now could

make a very odd and upsetting Walt Disney video using AI. and it'd be done in 10 minutes and we could put it up to our screens and laugh about it. Like there's a way, you and all of us have the ability

in our pockets to defame and embarrass Walt Disney in any way we see fit. Sure, yes. The company is probably going to do a better job than, you know, whatever, whatever us sickos are going to do to Walt. I also just like...

I also just like... I... shirtless. Hey, buddy, yay, you got to get out of here. I am Hazel George now. Okay. Ain't you nerds. I just love the like, I'm incensed.

I'm so in the flesh about this plan for a robot of grandpa. I got to do a post and not just any post, a Facebook post. Like, that is the most... You're saying there should have been a more official type of communication? I just, it's always funny to me when it's like, they were mad, they put up a post. It's like... It's the people's pulpit. When we know not what else to do, it's...

When we have no other megaphone, it is the way that we've, you know, it's the way that we fought back from the, in the years 2016 to 2020. And thank God, without the posting resistance. Where would we be now? A 2020 was nothing but posts. It's all we can do. There's no other, nothing else to do. It is funny, though, that Walt is like IP. Like, Walt is their IP now.

The man who created the company is a character, and he has been for decades. Yeah. And they control the narrative about him. Right. He's like a character in and of itself. Like, it's Steve Jobs. It's like the actual man is divorced from Uncle Walt or the guy holding on the iPod. Is there another, and I'm sure there is another example I'm not going to be able to think of,

but is there another example where a company has had the founder die and they've kept him, I guess Colonel Sanders is the best example of this. Colonel Sanders. And you said it, the founder. No. They didn't make the film. And he says it wasn't an advertisement up and still. Hey, it's me.

A. I Ray. All right. Yeah. It's, it's me, the founder. He only goes by the founder now. Chef Boyardee, is he was a real guy, right? Yeah.

So maybe like that's another example of like a guy who just becomes like a fictional character after he dies after he's created the company. And imagine the place that you could. visit where there's a chef boyardee robot if you could go to the factory oh jason there's a really realistic boy r d flapping around scott please don't even toy with me like that i wow jason yeah jason is going to get too riled up at the idea of like the chef boy r d world it's in wait jason do you know where chef boy rd factory is uh i don't know where do you think i was watching milton Pennsylvania, baby. Whoa.

Wow, wow. Your neck of the woods. You could go if you could hit up Hershey and then hit up Boyardee Town. I was, well, no, you got to do it in the other order. You have your ravioli and then you have your dessert. I was watching a YouTube short earlier about the Spam Museum. Excuse me. It's getting choked up.

I was getting choked up. I was watching YouTube short earlier about spam museum. Free to visit, you know. Oh. Well, they're fools. They're missing out. Jason, if they needed a creative director for Chef Boyardee World coming to Yaz Island, would you be willing to step up and create that?

Mike, that's hard question, but I think my principles would be out the window. the world's largest pasta-based theme park in the world they're going to need a whole country of slaves for that museum to drive a little boat through a gigantic lagoon of beeferone we connect well maybe my birthday shot next year as Jason pitches us his chef Boyardee theme park. Okay. Okay.

There is that pasta themed theme park in Pennsylvania. What's that? What is it called? I think it's like an Italian food themed theme park. I only learned about this not too long ago. What in the fucking world? Why haven't we, why don't we know about it? Why hasn't anyone made us do it on Club 3?

Are you talking about Del Grosso's part? Well, this is Italian themed. That might not be pasta theme. Well, let me see, though. What are the names of these rides? Are they, no, they're just called like Pharaoh's Fury and stuff. Is this not what I'm supposed to be looking up? No, it's Del Grosos.

So you thought an Italian theme park was just a pasta theme park? No, no. I think it would the Del Grosos, I think. They produce and distribute, they make pizza sauce, spaghetti sauce, and pasta. However, I don't believe. it is in any way themed and I could be wrong. I'm just, I'm scanning a Wikipedia Fest but I don't think that you're on

like water slides themed to corkscrew in different shapes of pasta. Well, he's right. I guess if the company that makes pasta is the name of the place then okay, so we were saying, but it is not unfortunately the sound of what you said sounded like, yeah.

Unfortunately, it's far away from pasta theme. The Laguna Splash Water Park at Del Grosos's everything seems to be filled with water and not marinero. Jason in a marinera lazy river. Filling up a big pot for later. Oh, that'll be a chef boy R.D. World.

That's going to be one of the things there's a water element to it. And I guess all the water will be marinera. And then some will be cream sauce for people that like that. There'll be two different rivers, a creamy, like, white sauce, and then a marinera river. Yeah, and when they... Joking. They'll be, the inner, the big tube you surf in is, like, a big piece of pasta. And you can eat it while you go.

Yeah. I'm going to Alfredo Island. Well, this is, like, it's going to be hard to keep talking about this, you know, this, this, uh, state historical. show, and we're all dreaming of Alfredo Island. Let me, let me wrap up the Joanna Miller thread, and we can talk about the main show. But so there was some attention for that. First post, she did a longer post. She said, I would appreciate your support to convince the company to abandon the robot

of Grandpa. Perhaps if you feel the same, perhaps write letters. Most importantly, I learned that Grandpa told Sam McKim that he never wanted to be an animatronic. So this is now we have learned. We have proof there is a name. an anim, there is an imagineer who Walt had a second with and was able to say, hey, just FYI, in case I never get to say this to anybody else.

Please make sure, just write this down, could you? Make sure that my body is not puppeted around by in the grotesque, in the grotesque manner that I myself invented. To, yes, I knew. I knew. I always heard the anecdote and thought it was apocryphal. Like, he said he never wanted to be. robot.

But he also has more Academy Awards than anyone else and he built all these parks and made all these moves. He must have known it was a possibility. That's why he said it. That's why he got the word now. Yeah.

Right. There is, yeah, there is like, oh, Walt, some of the discourses like Walt was very humble and I'm like, well, he named the park his name. So I don't know. True. I'm not saying he made. have not wanted a robot. I'm just saying it is funny because some of it, you're like,

well, he didn't name it his name. And he was like all over all the things. And he obviously on some level liked performing. Well, look, all of these pleas ultimately do lead to the company's attention. And this, Joanna Miller is granted a meeting with Iger. So this was something that happened. They're like, like, okay, we better kind of like sit down here and make sure everything's on the up and up. And from the way it's described, she's like, I sat with him and he was very attentive and listened to my concerns. And then seemingly they just did whatever they were going to do anyway. And then they were all, but by then it was like,

oh, I see. We missed this angle that we have to be like, we have to like, you know, be very careful with the family and involve them in it because this was a man and not just a character. And so they like, you know, once it was complete, They invited the family, and here, we want you to be the first to see the show. And then she saw the show, and she started crying because she said it didn't look like him to me. So, and that's the story of that. It led to no change and was just the howling in the world.

They'll make them move in the same way that they did the Mary Poppins P.L. Travers movie, and they changed the ending to make her like Mary Poppins after all. They can make a movie about this and make her crying with tears of joy at the end of the Walt Robot show to change the history. They're going to start doing that with everything. I mean, speak of the Muppets, let's do the, let's get Jim, you know, let's do the full Jim Henson movie where, and somebody's got to play Eisner and like, we would love the honor of purchasing your fine company and your fine character. Well, that sounds like a wonderful idea. That's, I can't imagine, Kermit and Miss Piggy and all my pals and better hands. And then they just walk off into the sunset and nothing about the 90s, 2000s, and beyond is ever mentioned.

And then there'll be like a movie about the destruction of Muppet Vision 3D, but it's a positive movie. And then they'll have the three of us played by actors. And then Tom Holland's playing Jason. And he's like, I love the idea of destroying Muppet Vision. I think it's great. So they'll change us around our opinions on things. And they can totally reshape history and popular opinion. I mean, Tom Holland is Jason.

You've just issued quite the compliment here. Yeah, I'll say. He just does a backflip for no reason. Now, Joanna Miller, she met with, do you say, Bob Iger, the professional narrator? Is that the same? Is that the same guy? Yes, yes. No, the famous reader of words, the trustworthy host, also Moonlights as the CEO,

of the Disney company. Yeah, I mean, that's something we've talked about that a little, but that's something that definitely got our attention about this was discovering that, oh, it's narrated by Eiger. This is a rare and maybe first attempt to put Eiger in the Eisner position

of sort of doing what Walt used to do. It's fascinating. Right, and he's resisted it. So for so long. And he, I'll say, I've been to Disneyland more this year as well. I've not seen this in person. yet. I've watched the video like three or four times from again and again and again for many

different angles. I, I, I, I liked it okay. Like, I was, I was like, oh, he has a little bit of myth making. It, um, I, I, I, it's fine. It's, it's uncle what, it's, it's a, it's a selective history, you know, uh, I, the thing. that I thought was really interesting, the Walt Robot talks for about two, two and a half minutes. Lincoln talks for about five minutes. So they at least gave Lincoln twice as much stage time, you know? They gave Walt the light. They did give Walt the light. What's interesting to me is that a lot of it is

a movie and there's two minutes a walled why does it break so often what does it break so often I'm aware of two instances does that are there more that you're aware of

I feel like it was regular occurrence and then for a while they were just doing Lincoln again this is all anecdotal They were? Wait, I mean, I mean, first of all, feel like means that you don't know. And second of all, when did they start doing it as Lincoln?

I don't have the exact numbers. They weren't doing Lincoln back on, I don't think. Did they? No, haven't they? I thought they did. No, I think it's all Walt until maybe next year when they'll rotate the shows. Hopefully during the show. Hopefully you get to watch the rotation.

Oh, my God. That would be awesome. Spinning around and around. Dueling Lincoln and Walt. Oh, that looks like a Herakwai video. Unironically, would love to see the turntable in action. Yes, true. I'm curious what that mechanism is.

Not to backtrack and go too much out of order, but we should say that there's also, you get a little bit of pre-show stuff, and this has kind of always been the case. Like this space, the pre-show of the Main Street Opera House, has always had like historical Disney stuff. You know, look, I was pretty charmed by everything they added to that pre-show area. It's always a treat when you get a new, when they pull something historic out of storage, you know. I loved it. I love that little pre-show area.

They added, like, a tiny version of Walt's apartment that you can look at. Oh, yes, which I think that all came from the Walt Disney Museum. I think they moved, like, real stuff over. And I think they cooperated in this in general. It is apparently the Walt Disney Museum. that at one point said, what if we did a Walt animatronic? And that is when Walt's daughter said no.

But then, you know, now you get it into the Disneyland hands and the stakes are higher. This is the Walt Disney Family Museum and San Francisco. Yes. Yeah. That's where that... Yeah. That place is awesome. Like, that's really good.

And then, yeah, there's just like one of the things I've said before in like, about like the D23s is the thing I like is when you can get pretty close up to robots and old stuff from the rides. And they've got this. They've got a lot of it in the lobby now, which they didn't really have before. They haven't recently, at least.

Yeah, you got some pirates. You got some small world dolls. You got an old, like, original Jungle Cruise alligator. You have whatever that little thing is that was Buddy Ebson. It was the thing that they were going to take around on a tour, and that didn't really work out. Oh, yeah. I heard something about this. I forget if I said this on the show, but in early Disneyland days that it was going to be,

he wanted to, like, go from train station to train station and have all these little where, these, these fun little puppet shows that you could watch. And he pitched this to the company. And they were, and one of their things was, you realize, like, to load and unload this is insane. And you realize that, like, train stations are dangerous in multiple ways and complicated, like the zone a train station and then put a bunch of valuable puppets and animatronics. there. This is a bit. And so it's that lack of feasibility that leads to, okay, what

if I have a place that stays in place and that is Disneyland? You get a lot of good Walt photos as well. You get Walt and Eisenhower. You get Walt and getting good award from LBJ who has his own animatronic as well. Two robot havers, two of America's

great robot havers. You get, uh, Walt is giving blood to, to a nurse. Yes. Yeah. That's a curious image. I don't know what for. And, uh, I hope it helps somebody. I don't know where that blood went, but that's a magical blood to have.

There's Walt's Awards from the Southern, what is it? Something from the Southern Area Boys Club on the wall to Walt Disney for his many contributions to the, I don't know, does it say boy cubs of America? Could be, hmm, from the boy cub club. And I think there is a Boy Scout Award,

like Walt, like I don't know, like you can like see this. they gave him the golden boy Jason look I love it yeah you've been looking for it is you yes

and your boys got out of it it's like the shining it's like the New Year's photo with Jack Nicholson you zoom in and it's me

Guy Sago pointed out a great cigarette Photoshop in this photo of Walt of Walt of Walt

looking over this, the plans for Disneyland, that pencil used to be a cigarette. Ah, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah. I love that he just had like a, if he had just had a lit cigarette next to this little wood model of the place that he wants to build so bad. Just accidentally ashes and then the, uh, what building is that? I don't know. Carnation cafe is torched.

I was saying you can get so much like time, like you get so close to these two pirates and this pig. Yeah. which is really cool. Intimacy, intimacy. Right. And I was like, oh, the show's starting. I want to just stand here for a little longer.

Yes. I think we got maybe a full show's length of bombing around there, which was nice to get. So maybe that's a tip. Don't rush through the little pre-show experience. Look at every photo. Look at every drop of blood and look at every un-cigrated cigarette. Yeah. There's a lot of different stuff.

uh that i'm even i'm looking i'm like oh there's a goose there's a mary blair goose there's so much good stuff uh so that's a real uh i didn't realize they had all that stuff in there that was a highlight yeah is there any additional buddy ebson stuff there's only the one buddy ebson thing we already referred to would you like there to be more i would like there to be more the d23 website has a whole thing about Walt hiring him to to do a dancer dean so they could like like, draw it so they could use as reference for the early, early animatronics, like. Yes. Well, that's what they have is the little puppet that he was, there was a prototype that,

and forgive me, I don't remember the specific name of that, but, uh, project little man. That's right. That was the, it was the second golden boy. Um, so anyways, but then you, uh, then you are ushered into the theater. And if you are like me and friend of the show, Jason Walliner, in front of the show, Bug Me and Buzz, you want to gun for front row center as fast as you possibly can. Did you also do this? Guy and I were front row center. Don't worry.

Is this only, is it only dorks who wish to get front row center and be as close to? Because it fucks you on the movie. Then you're watching the movie and you don't have the best view of it because you're in the same way that any front row of a movie isn't great. but who cares I want when that curtain comes up I want him to be eerily upsettingly close to me and I got my wish yep yep us too I love that you guys did the same thing yeah I mean that's okay there there didn't seem like a lot of demand it didn't seem like what everybody wanted it was not a full theater and certainly the row was not full I don't know if there was another person in the front row I don't remember but yeah we were allowed we were easily easily getting those chairs

Not a covetous plan. Stand by line or virtual cues? No need, Jason. No need, no need. Walk in is the answer. But didn't. Very early on, I feel like they were using virtual cues. Am I wrong about this?

Maybe it was just the first week. I think they must have abandoned that by the afternoon. Oh, the opening day? Sure. Yeah, yeah. No, I think, I think. think you'll be fine with the old walkup, uh, should work for you. Um, so you get in there. I believe the host tells you that you are going to be hearing the narration of our CEO and,

uh, Lord and Master Bob Eger. Uh, uh, and the film begins. Now, Jason, you were starting to talk about the movie a little bit. And I would, I would, I would tend to agree. I would, on the, like, you know, I wanted to find some areas of snark about this earlier, because I don't know that I have a lot of snark about the movie. I think the movie, I would, I would, I would, I would, on the movie is fun and fine. The movie is fine. I thought, I was surprised they didn't. They touch on Walt's father working at the Chicago World's Fair so quickly, and they

show some pictures. And then I feel like Walt, I mean, that is interesting. His father was a carpenter at the World Fair. then decades later Walt essentially oversaw another World's Fair and that is barely touched on like I'm like oh

that's kind of interesting I guess it's not a Disney own thing per se well you wanted the whole thing to be about the World's Fair let's be honest well I wanted the whole thing to be about the World's Fair um his uh

you know obviously labor actions he's he's uh ratting uh to the house on an american activities oh jason's mad listen to jason's mad now i want i want uh you were mad about that relative earlier you hate all the disney's the oh yeah i i hate them uh i hate them i can't stand it um yeah no i i agree yeah i thought the film uh with solid it's greatest hits stuff we've all seen to some degree in a different like package. So like I understand they're like this is for like, this is to educate the kids about the IP of Walt Disney,

the character Walt Disney. This is the like simple version. But I will be honest and I have like watched it on video since I was there. I certainly was just like, when are we getting to the robot? I was like, oh, this is really going on for a while. When are we going to get to the robot? So I will admit that my kid brain was like, come on. Come on.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Marcelline. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Where's the robot? I just, so that's my, that's maybe a me problem, but I just wanted, I knew it robot was just mere feet away and I was very impatient watching the film. That's true. You're watching a wall that is going to rise up and reveal a robot any second now.

Right. And you're watching things that you've seen before. It really does turn into, to use our phrase frequent footage, you, when it, when it turns to the dream of Disneyland it becomes a frequent footage film festival you get Walt pacing through the grass you get there's one

I swear I God I've seen this so many times when there's like a big balloon drop on the flying saucers that's yeah does that feel very familiar that's the way they show the swing in 60s that and the space man taken off

I feel like I know that footage more than some extended family members Yes. Indeed. It is a commonly used thing. And then you of course get Aaron's favorite, Walt and the map. You can never see enough map. We've got to trot out the map. But there's one that is not frequent footage that I want to be. And the clip that I'm speaking of is it must be the intro for some wonderful World of Disney type thing where a bunch of crazy goddamn dogs jump up on Walt's desk. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a big pack of dogs run in there just, like, full of piss and vinegar, mad.

One, and then, and they're all, like, jumping, causing a ruckus, and one jumps on his desk and then, like, almost hits the roof. He does a double jump that's so fast, flies way the hell up, kind of scares Waltz a little bit. I've seen videos where that gets a laugh from the crowd, so this is clearly a good one. I say less map, more crazy goddamn dogs. Yeah, I agree, completely agree. That dog clip is wild. And I maybe have seen that one other time, but certainly not often. And I wouldn't mind just like replaying that.

Like it's a clip show like three or four times during this whole movie. Yeah, I agree. Reverse it. Zoom in a little bit. Push in. I mean, what's, what's more exciting than when you're at Disneyland and you see a real life dog so like in that spirit let's see all the dogs running on walt's desk right we should nothing is more exciting at disneyland than seeing a real dog that's true nothing yes

a controversial statement uh a world's fair material and a real dog uh i'll say this one thing where i'm like oh that was interesting um and i i don't know if i've dug into this very much When they refer to, like, 1931, Walt had, like, a heck of a breakdown. And I'm like, well, now I kind of want to know more about the breakdown year. And, like, that spurned him to take a vacation, like, the first vacation, him and his wife ever took, supposedly. I was like, oh, that's an interesting detail to put in there. Like, he needed, the only way he was going to take a vacation after eight.

years of being together was to have a heck of a breakdown. That's how low he has to stoop to go get on a train with his goddamn wife. It's funny. Jason wanted to hear more about the World's Fair and just Walt's Vacation. You wanted to hear, you wanted like 10 minutes of just like vacation and what did he eat in the vacation? What hotel did they stay at? Which line, he drew that Mickey Mouse on a train back west.

Which route did he go? Did he go north? Did he go south throughout the country? Did the hotel have a reward system at that point? Or how long? At that point? Probably not, but maybe they had a version of it. What was the dining card like at the time?

Right. So Jason wanted this to be like a two and a half hour movie before the robot. Sure. And detailing the breakdown. What did it consist of? Was he screaming into a toilet? Was it a fugue state? What was it?

What kind of a breakdown was it? Did you walk around the studio buck naked? 1931 breakdown and 2025 breakdown. I feel like are very different. Well, yeah. 1930, yeah, I feel like it's like. 1931 could mean anything, you know. Yeah, Walt could like be like jumping from roof.

rooftop to rooftop in his neighborhood or something nude, like with a white hole. Hijacking a cable car, a red car trolley in Los Angeles. Oh, oh, someone's having a breakdown. And then in 2025, a breakdown is like, uh, like I watched a movie and I felt kind of sad. I felt too sad to go to work the next day. That's, it feels like that there's a difference in terminology maybe from the decades. Sure. That's right.

Walt toughed that out. We need to up the bar of what a breakdown. is right be like Walt muscle through everything right don't tend to most importantly don't take vacations vacations make you weak and soft yeah and the only reason we celebrate that one vacation is that it gave him a bunch of ideas to bring back to work otherwise we would condemn this vacation you can't take vacations because that you're losing time when you could be grinding you know yeah and you got to be locked in you got to get those numbers up yeah what was he was He's a hustle grind set guy.

Well, that's true. That's how we got all this stuff, theme park stuff. Yeah. It's true. He invented silly symphonies and multi-plane camera and rising and grinding. So, you know, but you get a nice little history. And they do kind of hit this theme of like never gave up.

I guess it's not, I don't know, if you're going to like find an angle and a little story to tell within this. I guess it's nice to humanize him and hear that once he got set on something no amount of failure was gonna it's like how when you get your mindset on building a robot of somebody you never give up no matter how many upset granddaughters try to have meetings with you yeah that's good we should applaud imaginary

for just you know keeping their eye on the prize so when the moment comes and if you are seated front row center man that's a gasp boy do you get a big gasp out of that when it but i think especially because he like he's in shadow and then the screen rises uh and like oh there's this there's his little legies there they are and then then you get the face and then he kind of rises up toward you and oh man just just amazing yeah i i was like hell yeah like hell yeah because you know we We've seen these pictures of him and people were hating on how it looks and because like I think that partly because it was built up so much like this is going to be the greatest robot ever made. It's going to be so accurate he has the little twinkle in his eye.

They figured this out, this technology. And then people were trashing it. And then the, then the curtain rises in it. I'm like, there's a wall right there. Look at him. We all felt that across the board. I think we were all, we all probably were anticipating maybe we're going to have some fun and laugh at this. and that's not even right, and it's weird, and it's scary.

I totally enjoyed it all. And I can't speak to, like, I wasn't even thinking about it doesn't look like him exactly. Like, what do I know? Whatever it is, I liked. It was a compelling and interesting robot performance that conveyed the spirit of Walt Disney. It shut me up. I liked it. Yeah, I liked it.

I did like it. And what I found, and maybe this is not, I haven't seen people talk about this. I found it melancholy and sad. I felt that it was an interesting choice to make a majority of the dialogue, sad, almost regretful. And I was like, I don't know if that's what they were going for, but what an interesting choice

because I left the theater like feeling bad for this guy. Well, he is going to die. He's... Yeah. He's dying any minute. By the way, to place it, the Imagineers tried to pick a time of when to set this and when to make what era of his office that we're creating. And they decided to do it where he still had like a little bit ahead of him. Like the Florida Project is still ahead.

And he's currently making Mary Poppins. And that's why it's in 63. So you are looking at a man who will be dead in three years. Yeah. And that's maybe part of it. But I was like, okay, they have, you know, what? This is like three minutes. And 75% of it, I felt.

was a man looking back at his life and thinking maybe I didn't like live in the optimum way. Yes, I'm proud of all I've done. But he says there's two things that he's talking about. He's talking about how his brother had a more fun life being a male man. He's talking about, I called him, what does he say? He was the smart Disney or like he says he was a smart Disney. And he's like kind of like going, yeah, yeah, I've really like, it's been a fucking ton of work

and pain in the ass and imagining what it would be like to have had a simpler life and then he tells that story about of course we'll get to it the little B he's talking about a kid that asks him Mr. Disney what do you do? Do you draw Mickey Mouse and he goes

no I don't do that well do you do his voice no do you do I don't know if they ask that but do you have like the ideas for things and the jokes no I don't do that either and I feel and maybe this is me reading into it that he's kind of realizing in that moment, I'm not even doing anything that fun anymore.

I'm not even getting to participate actively in the making. I go around and I kind of get people excited and I let them do the fun stuff. So I found that first chunk, those two chunks of dialogue, sad. I felt this guy was going, maybe I didn't do this right. Maybe I didn't. Maybe I could have had more fun doing this job. This job has been a fucking hard. Pain in my ass.

And yeah, it's great. I'm so happy we're doing all of this. But like, looking back, I bet I could have had more fun. I bet I could have lived this differently. And I felt sad. And I liked that. I thought that was a good, that was interesting. Because I'm chasing different types of,

I've said this on the show a lot. I've chasing different types of emotions. This didn't feel like the general Walt speech where he just goes and we're doing a lot of fun things. And, you know, it all started with, he does the line about the mouse. but like it's I felt like it was going to be a much more generic Walt so I felt like they made the choice to kind of make him like sad and melancholy and I think it was I think it was great I think it was a great choice honestly yeah yeah you know what I hadn't thought about that that is kind of something that makes it unique and yeah that there's some like the vulnerability there and

yeah yeah I well look I what does he want to do at the studio that he's he's not getting to do I mean, look, he can't be one of the ink and painters. That's what girls do. Right, yes, of course. That's women's work at that studio. Of course, yes. So he can't be painting Mickey Mouse. Right.

I don't know, but I guess he does, but isn't, doesn't he seem excited when he talks about being a little bee and getting to go around from room to room? And there's something to that. Like I said, some of that might be my reading into it. Some of that might be where I was at when I was watching it. But it felt like the kids. It is asking, well, do you do this fun thing? No. Do you do this fun thing? No. And in that moment, yeah, I just felt like, yeah, he is sort of excited about the B, but I think maybe from that first chunk to the second chunk, I carried over that regret. And to me, it felt like then the regret lingered into like, I'm not doing the fun stuff anymore. I'm just sort of an administrator. And my reading of it was like, yeah, that does seem less fun. And I think that's what happens to a lot of people when they move up. ranks is that like, you know, you end up becoming more of a manager and you're less in it

and less like doing the fun stuff. And that's, being a manager is a pain in the ass. And for a creative person, it's hard. I know, I know that's the, I know that's a syndrome that happens. But I think if that's what Walt Disney's feeling was, then I don't think he was plugged in enough to what he was doing. Because the things that he is managing are, oh, yeah, figure out how to make little birds sing and uh you know figure out how to make people uh you know go up to the ceiling in a movie and um like i don't know i like i i feel like come on if this guy wasn't having some fun he was having fun and people would say like when he was at disneyland specifically like that was when he was having fun driving like a golf cart around or walking around like

obviously he was still having fun he was not engaged probably in the like he was in the early days when it was a simpler thing we're just working on a cartoon we're just doing that this you know he had and then like more the headache of being a manager and all the money trouble disney had over the years where like oh my god the company's going to go bankrupt unless we do this or oh my god this isn't working like there's so much just like boring money stuff that being i know his brother did a lot of that but like there's just so much management stuff that probably weighs you down like being the head of a company and it's less it's less simple in the old days of like, oh, we made a Mickey cartoon

and it's simple and I did the voice and it's fun. That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's probably why Iger wanted to narrate it. I'm sure he feels the same way. I think Iger probably is exploding with ideas for cartoons that he thought of. He's got a sketchbook

that he's too afraid to show anybody. Here's my character, sad little Robbie. Robbie the sad boy. Iger has a script credit on me. most of the Phineas and Furb reboot ones. He finally got to do what he really wanted to do. Can I just be in the room? Weird idea, but can I just, can I submit a packet?

And I'm not going to put my name on it. Only read them blind. But his idea. I don't want to step on some toes, but I've got some great ideas for Perry the Platypus and Dr. Dufant Schmert's plots, okay? An Iger idea is what if we did Oliver and Company? with real humans and CGI.

Now, a Michael Eisner idea is my kid likes gummy bears make a gummy bear show. Now, that's different. That is a real top level idea. Yeah, yeah. He's more of the Walmart. He has some, like, vaguely thought through idea. Or like, I went on

a vacation, and I went to a vacation to a place where you could take classes and learn out of paint. Do that. Figure it out. Leaves, goes to another room. He kept up. Eisner was a little B. Is Iger a little B? I don't know if Iger's a little B.

Iger, do we see this clip where he's riding the Pirates ride with a couple guys lately? No, no. It's been posted. I forget who the guys are, but there's a couple of weird things in the special. But Iger, like, they're done on pirates, and Iger's like, well, you know, it's not the most compelling story, but it's, like, he says something sort of dismissive about pirates, and he uses the word story. But, you know, it's fun. I think it's his favorite ride and whatever. It comes off very annoying to me because you're like,

what are you talking of? Like, well, the story isn't so compelling, but like, it's a fun thing or whatever. It just seems like he doesn't understand it at all. It seems like he's completely clueless why someone might like this. Or, you know, I like it, but it's dumb. We tell story. I just look, for me, ultimately it's about story. We tell the story about a lion cub who dream.

dreams of being a king one day. And then 30 years later, we tell the exact same story in the exact same way. We tell the story of a toy cowboy and a toy spaceman and they're friends. But the toy cowboy dreams of more of a life where he's not subject to just being a play thing forever. And he can explore and wander. And he leaves his best friend, the spaceman, and rides off into the sunset. And then a couple years later, they're back together and I don't fucking figure, I don't know why.

It's part of the story. You write the story of why the Cowboy and the Space Matter back. That's the one word I wish they would stop using. I really wish she would go away. That drives me insane lately, too. And I was just rewatching that Tony Bexner interview where he was talking about Mark Davis, complaining about people calling ride stories.

They're not stories. We seem to drive Mark Davis crazy, too. Yeah, of course. Well, you're going to need to think about story When they You know They get the horrifying CG Oliver and Company move in

You know Yeah We need to remember the story of Oliver and Company It's the story of a cat Lost in New York City A story that we've told before But we've never done it With extremely realistic hair

Well that's yeah That's the difference. We want to see, yeah, when that, when that hair gets wet, how disgusting can we make the wet hair look? Mm-hmm. I was shocked at the size of the picture on Walt's desk or whatever area, creative area, of Ed Wynn. Yeah, you went right to this. You posted an Instagram story of a, like a framed photo of Ed Wynn, and I didn't know offhand where that was. I was like, well, there's a little Disney Easter egg because I sat and

watched the show and my eyes did not go to the photo of Edwin. Well, look, I'm not as Edwin-minded as you are. That's so funny because the curtain rose and my eye went right to it. And I went, there is a, like at least an 8 by 10 photo of character actor Edwin, the guy who we named her dog after Edwin, who was still around. Edwin's in the other room. But yes, so I was like Whoa, look how big that is. That isn't even like an Easter. It didn't feel like even like an Easter egg. It felt like he was a part of the show.

It was just so big. And I couldn't take my eyes off, Edwin, honestly. You were lost in the... Even though I loved a robot. The odd character actor eyes of Edwin. Well, Walt had a system in his office when he was due to have lunch or dinner with somebody. Instead of putting it in a calendar, his assistant would just put a big photo of that person up on the wall. That's how he knew.

Stakes with Eddard. tonight. Did you know that Walt Disney called Edwin his good luck charm? Wow. Yeah. Oh. I didn't. So, I don't know. Yeah. He had, I guess, affection for Edwin, like we all do. I mean, as much as maybe you didn't notice his face,

obviously, I think you have some affection for this guy. This is one of those. This just happened. And when we did the Club 3 about the Paul Williams, there was something that came up where you were like, you were demand. Paul Lynn, sorry. You were, you were demanding to know what I as a child thought about Paul Lind. And I was like, Mike, I don't think I thought about him as a child. Now, I certainly like Edwin and Mary Poppins, but I, it's just, it's one of those that you throw out like it's a given. And I'm like, I don't know, affection is a strong

word. Well, I would believe, affection for my children. I believe that Edwin, more people were familiar with at least his work than Paul's necessarily, you know, because I think Matt had her Mary Poppins, those two things for me loom very large. Because I love the Madhatter and Alice in Wonderland. And those two alone.

And great uses of the kind of casting he would do, the sort of colorful oddball. You know what? Maybe I'm more of it. I think I'm a Sterling Holloway guy. Hey, look, you're not going to get an argument for me there. Hey, you're speaking of my language now. Edwin, of course,

like, he's just his voice, his voice still, like, people have ripped his voice off now, almost more than anybody. So, like, you'll still hear, you know, whether it's King Candy and Reckett Ralph, he still, like, lives in, like, cartoons and Will forever, I assume, because it's such a fun voice to do. Yes. Yeah.

I believe, I believe he's more known than Paul Lind. I'm not in, totally out of my mind. No, and it makes sense. I mean, that's a fun, that's a fun, interesting detail, but a detail that I admittedly missed 100% and that you locked into honestly it was distracting to me like if there was like a photo of a naked woman on his desk I would have been less distracted by it is this the part where I act surprised that you said that no you don't have to I'm just saying like I couldn't I was like look how big it like I almost wanted like I took my eye I didn't take my eye off the robot too

much but I wanted to like turn around and be like everyone's seeing this you ever see how big that picture is it's like bigger than all the other pictures on his desk okay now be honest what did you do with geiselga about this did you nudge him did you point did you whisper did you just talk to him as soon as it was over i think as soon as it was over i don't think i mentioned it in the moment but i cannot be sure i don't i don't really remember that that's amazing that you were able to withhold that i absolutely brought it up immediately and i go there's a big picture edwin on his desk what did he say he goes oh yeah I think you say, oh, yeah.

And now you've given all of our listeners the chance to say, oh, yeah. Jason, did you notice this from the video? I didn't catch it. No. I didn't. I did not. Sorry, Mike. I didn't notice.

But now I'm going to go look for it. Is it a bigger, is there a picture of his wife and children? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if there is that. No, I think it's only his good luck charm Edwin. Yeah. I do have to issue a correction. The Sterling I like is Sterling Hayden from the killing in Dr. Strange's up.

Okay. Sterling, hey, yeah, he's good. I mean, you're not a Sterling Holloway guy, I know. He's General Ripper. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not.

He's not the voice of Winnie the Pooh, no. He is not, no. It would have been funny if he was. And is, what, the snake? Sterling Holloway. Is he the snake in Jungle Book? Yeah. And Allison Waterland.

Cheshire Cat. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You gotta like that guy, too, though. You like all the Sterlings. Come on, Jason. Kay Brown, in fact.

Oh, I do. I do. I just, I have fondness for being a precocious 15-year-old going, you know, Sterling Hayden and Stanley Kubrick worked together twice, killing and Dr. Strange Love. Pretty cool. Would you say that to an empty room? I would say that at a school dance And it would immediately become an empty

Well so he gives this little This you know Somewhat depressing little speech is what we found But a humanizing speech And then his office kind of turns to magic And he sort of looks up above him And it's a you know It's kind of a it's sort of

it feels like such an immediately classic Disneyland moment that you're amazed they didn't have like a kind of Walt Disney lovingly looking to the sky and then this seeing his memories while when you wish upon a star plays something a song that moves people so much and so clearly so much like part of the emotional core of of Disney and yet it's still every time I'm like but this this is like the emotional heart of the company is built on this song and it's still it's still this old This guy going, sees you through. That part, I think, is sillier than anybody gives it credit for. Yeah, I know you mean. Cliff Edwards, another one of Walt's favorite old men. Yeah. It is that. I wonder, like, I do like one, you wish upon a star.

I'm trying to think if there's another, like, that one doesn't make me as sad for some, or melancholy, like, as much as I think it does for some other people. I don't know why. They played like baby mine at the end of things. Maybe that would be sadder. But I like one who wish upon a star. Well, I like the song for me personally just needing, preferring to have a little bit of synth in things when I can get it.

For me, the Huey Lewis song for the beginning of Oliver & Company. Oh, yeah. Is that more. That one cuts to the core or more. They need to bring that song back in different. things. The problem is, oh yeah, right. The problem really is that Oliver and comedy isn't

very good. Yeah, it's a sad truth that you have to admit. Yeah, yeah. It's an inconvenient truth. That's something, if you're our age, then you have a lot of love for it and you probably have a lot of love for the songs. That was the first movie I saw in theaters. Yeah, me too.

But unfortunately, I watched it in the last couple years. And I go, this isn't very good, sadly. I wish it was. I was talking about it made me go. maybe I'll watch it after this. Well, see. I think, I think they should. Yeah, he'll like.

I probably will. Yeah, I like everything. I think they should swap out. They should swap out the song at the end. Sometimes it's when you wish upon a star. Sometimes it's, what should I worry? The Billy Joel. I was going to say that was my, if you've watched that movie recently,

Mike, my biggest question is, let's let's take the songs out of it. How is Billy Joel's acting? Just in the scenes. It's okay. Doesn't he say he's like absolutely absolutely? Yeah, he's doing like a barbarino. Yeah, little bee.

He's doing a barber. You know what, Oliver, you look so lonely you could use a company. I mean, that's one where I have such a nostalgia for it because of all that. But it's not like, like the Govy movie resurgence, even though maybe. it's hit peak saturation and it's like maybe a little annoying, but movie movie is good and all the songs are good. Obviously, Fox Robin Hood.

That's a good, fun little breezy movie, which sometimes like your Tony Baxter's the world feel like dismissive. And I'm like, that's a better movie than you're giving it credit. But unfortunately, Oliver and Company, the movie, I got very bored with in the last couple of years, whenever a year ago

when I watched it. But the songs, why should I war? Yes, I do like some of the songs. There's that. But I wish I could say, man, that's actually as good as all the other thing. But it's, I don't think it is. Well, they needed some dogs as crazy as those goddamn dogs on Walt's desk. Yeah.

Talking about the melon. Oh, what did you say? You go. Oh, you go ahead. Oh, I was going to say you're talking about like the melancholy Walt robot. There's, I was a little surprised. they in that with that tone they didn't play feed the birds which is like the most melancholy song which walt admittedly loved that was his favorite yeah i mean when you wish upon the star i mean few of the birds is so sad so i guess when you're upon the star is a little bit more uplifting than that and yeah familiar so but it would have been it would have been more appropriate to how i felt the tone of the show was to just ended on this very slow very depressing beat Well, with your read on it, you wanted Elliot Smith's needle in the hay.

I'm just to be, and I just gather Paulin. Don't do anything fun. CEO in the hay. If you could have had like Disney fight it a little bit or something. I don't know who Goofy sings it. something something fun to add to it anyway he the Walt then kind of descends into the shadows and I swear at that moment he looks me square in the eye it freaked the hell out of me it's really I I don't know I enjoy it it's it's it's it's eerie that's you just hey get there early muscle through those kids make sure you get front row center oh you're showing on your phone oh my god look at how scary that is when it fill and I guess Is that your background? No, it's just a, it's, uh, it's just, these are photos I took.

I have a newer phone now, so they're pretty, the photos are like, Wow. Every, every, every, every manufactured wrinkle in this fake old man's face. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, yeah, you can get really, yeah, get really close and you will, I think you made eye contact with me as well and you really can like, you really feel that like eye content you can feel it like it's real if he gets you i think they i feel like they programmed it to specific chairs they i think they knew like okay well dorks are going to sit here so make sure he really like goes down the barrel of that seat of seat a two i've been told that the i've been told

that the says your name everyone in their head hears their own name from uncle walt i've been told that the i twinkle effect is a little light projection in like a little box right up in the front of the stage. So there's literally a light reflecting off of, like a pinpoint accurate light reflecting in his eyes to give him that like human quality. Well, how do we get this in our live shows? Great question. You know what? I sense that I think people, we do shows sometimes and I sense that people like us, but I don't know if they love us. I don't know if they love us like kindly uncle figures. So I think we need to, all right, we'll go, we'll get there early next time. We'll tech. We'll make

sure we get those sparkle lights and then we do it and they're dialing it in. And then like, oh no, it's set to 1,000 percent. Laser eyes. They were forever blinded by their desired sparkle. Well, we have to fine tune

it, but we'll get it right. At least for Jason, we'll get it right. We'll put it all in your basket and hopefully not blind you in the process. Just please do not permanently blind me. Well, we know guarantees, though. Okay.

I do have a picture of the desk. Lincoln's photo is bigger than Edwin's photo, but it is still pretty big. But Edwin is bigger in the photo. In his face, yeah, is bigger. And I was looking, I really should have done this before, but the books on Walt's desk, Jimmy Dale and the Phantom Clue. That's sitting on Walt's desk. I don't know what that book is.

Jason, you ever heard of that? You're the reader? No, I, well, it sounds like. a 1910's 1900, it's like children's mystery. Like I got a bunch of my back of my moms. There's a bunch of like books from when

my grandfather was very young called like Poppy Ott and the Pickled Peacock or one of the best titles I've ever read Boy Scouts on the Moon. Wow. And so this is all just steps away from being dust. Jimmy Dale and the Phantom Clue is a 1922 mystery novel by Frank L. Packard, the third book in the Jimmy Dale series.

The story follows the wealthy socialite Jimmy Dale as he assumes his secret identity as the gray seal to investigate a mysterious phantom clue connected to a series of crimes. Wow. Jason, this is right up your alley. You got to get into Jimmy Pale. Jimmy Dale. And is alter ego the gray seal? Yeah, he's a wealthy playboy by day, but at night he puts on a costume and became the gray seal. You know what?

We're dealing with Batman here. That's exactly what it is. They and Jimmy Dale invented Batman and got none of the credit. Yep. That's what it is. Wow. A wealthy guy? Wealthy social life.

This could have been their biggest superhero for if we'd gotten into, and we know there's multiple tales, like, you know, if this had worked out and Walt had made a movie of this, they wouldn't have had to buy Marvel way later. Right. They would have By the time they got to Phantom Clue, it would have been the same as like, oh my God, they're doing Infinity War. I'm guessing now, because it's 100 years, that Jimmy Dale is in the public domain, so

Jason can go into production today. I just borrowed the adventures of Jimmy Dale from the library to my channel. Well, you go into production with your movie and TV show today because it's public domain. Let's do a variety article.

Jason Sheridan penned Jimmy Dale film series now in the works. There's what, Frank O'Packer wrote a book. He wrote a book called The Sin That Was His. That's an intriguing title. That's really good. That makes me wonder. Now I'm just to go back to the beginning, I'm applying that to scumbag, Jason. I'm like, what was the sin that was his in the eyes of Mike?

I think was like one time he like wagged his tongue around lasciviously. my god probably just running running my mouth and not realizing i was being uh mean and hurtful thinking i was being cute you said earlier that you weren't mean and you said you were nice and conscientious earlier i well i didn't say i couldn't be cutting i was i feel like i was very cutting without realized you were pithy maybe sometimes i guess pithy anxious is what it really was The sin that was his was pithiness On the way out the door I discovered two of the malfunctions

Of the hundreds and hundreds of malfunctions That Jason As referred to What I saw I saw two videos One he is about to talk And then he kind of like He like sort of stands up straight and stiff

And almost like springs a tiny bit Like when Bugs Bunny is aroused When he goes completely flat and kind of like zol-v-v-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-h. That happened to Walt. So Walt got a bunny-boner, and then they just kind of quietly end the show, and everybody has to file out. They close that curtain as fast as they can. It reminded me a little bit of a recent clip. This was going around, and John Oliver referred to it, but there was a presentation of a Russian AI robot who kind of like stumbles onto the stage.

and then he like basically he takes like five drunken steps and then immediately falls and then they try to like shit shit curtain cover it but they pull out the curtain so badly and there's like a giant knot in it so they can't cover the robot officially at all the curtain part is way more embarrassing than the falling robot so Disney thought this through they didn't make it so like one stressed out man as to pull the curtain they could just do it from the booth

or not give because it was really the area where they were asking for the most trouble making a robot of Walt like what if he i don't know snapped in the middle his head drooped down toward his crotch and it left all of us going oh no uncle Walt is sucking his own dick that the one malfunction when he springs forward you hear a loud like be like truck backing up And I'm like, why would they put that feature in there? He gave him truck noises. They made him a human. Only, that's actually, that was the full quote. He said to Sam McKim, don't ever make me a robot unless they let me do stuff that trucks can do. Beep, beat. Give me a big horn.

Could someone hack the robot and add new dialogue? Oh, this is a good question. And that's the kind of fun that I want today's hackers to be figuring out. Yeah, God. What could you do? I don't know, you could run old red fox routines through him. Yeah, that's a good point. You really, though, sky is the limit.

I mean, yeah, you could have them do, I don't know, because like, I guess, yeah, you could do AI while voicing and say anything. You could really get them to say anything. You could get them to do. You know, you have to know where to look because they tried to scrub this from rebroadcasts as quickly as they could, but, or just find a transcript of, Martin Lawrence's monologue from Saturday Night Live in 1994, you know, just like, which, you know, was on the topic of feminine hygiene. And I could see it going two ways. I could see you keeping with Martin Lawrence's voice or I could see kind of AI sampling Walt's voice so that it is Walt himself delivering the...

I think that's the best. I mean, I'll take either one, but that has to probably. be the way. I do, I wonder if this stuff on, like, is it connected to the internet? It has to be, right? Are the computers hooked up to the internet in a way that could be hackable? That's my question. Is there some way in, or is it all a system remote that's just its own thing? It's not plugged in so people can't.

I bet it's like easily hackable if you really had the desire to do it. You don't think the Walt robot is like the knock list in Mission Impossible. It's exactly what I was thinking about when I, I said it's like sort of a single computer not hooked up to a network. Yes, that is a, I don't think it's that. I bet it's like hooked up. I bet it's like on Wi-Fi. I bet it runs on Wi-Fi and the program is running off a computer in Glendale.

So you think it could be hacked the way that like dishwashers and ovens are being hacked now because they're on Wi-Fi. Yes, that's right. Okay. Well, see, I think I'm going to figure this out and I want to weave it in so subtly so that it's just, you know, I was jealous of my brother. You know, he was the smart Disney. He'd go doing his, he'd go do his paper route and, you know, no pressure in the world. He could go fishing whenever he wanted. And on another topic, some of you are not washing your ass properly. I tell a woman in a minute, douche, douche. Someone don't like it when you tell them that, but when you, when you straight

forward with them, put a sirt in your ass. I'm so glad I found it in time. You found the actual Martin Lawrence. Wow. Yes. I didn't find like the court transcript. You know, I, you know, no, I don't do the voice of the, I don't draw the characters anymore and I don't think of all the jokes. But, you know, unrelatively, I don't give a damn what you do. Put a tick-tack in your ass.

The dads who had fallen asleep at the 5 p.m. show, they'll wake up so fast. They wake up like Springboard Waltz. Ooh, add attention. And some of these lines, I'm going to mentally, I read what I was comfortable saying from the monologue. There are some other parts that I am not. Now, if you guys want to find the same link and say these lines in Walt's voice, feel free. Jason, old Jason Wood. Oh, that's what, yeah, well, leave that to scumbag.

Well, I don't know that I want to say all of it. This is like a, how do I? find a video of this. I'm not sure. I think it exists. There's articles about it. I've definitely seen it. I don't know the current source of the Martin Lawrence monologue. Actually, you know what? I was the only other part that I would love to say of the

Martin Lawrence monologue was, okay, we got a great show. Crash test dummies are here. We'll be right back. What a show. What a time. Walt could sing a crash test dummy song. Yeah, oh, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, if you can get the Walt Robot to skank, to do some skanking, like the CrashDest Dummies guy, yeah, I don't know.

Did Crash Test Dummies play SNL every other week in the 90s? I feel like that's always the go-to musical guest. Yeah, well, yeah, they were, you know, like Alec Baldwin was a go-to host, and Crash Just Dummies, I believe, performed 78 times on something. that are in L. I wish the answer was more than once, but I believe it was more than once, unless they snuck into the band with Lenny Pickett. But anyways, well, again, unless there's more of the monologue to read, I believe you survived podcast The Ride. And you know, so you know what, go see this show. It's fun to laugh about, but I genuinely did enjoy it. It's a cool thing they did. It's better than Lincoln. Leave Lincoln back there. Don't unrotate it. Lincoln's

done. Lincoln's in the past. I think they just need to up Lincoln. I think they need to do a little something, a little razzle-dazzle now to get it to this level. And I don't know what that is. But they, yes, I agree this is better than the Lincoln show. Yeah. And

yes, either plus up Lincoln or keep this. Well, let him read the Woody Harrelson monologue. The anti-vaccine. The recent one. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, hey, for three bonus episodes every month, check out podcast the ride the second Gate or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier. Club 3, you will find all of that at

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