Podcast: The Ride - The World Of Motion

Episode Date: September 30, 2022

On the eve of Epcot's 40th anniversary, we take a look at this opening day attraction. Featuring a cute sea monster, that traffic jam scene everyone remembers, and a sharp dressed corporate executive. Disneyland Rocket Man episode up at The Second Gate: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide WATCH THIS EPISODE: https://youtu.be/H0JCcfnKEYU FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

FOREVER! DOG! nudity. Gear up for a slow moving spin on Epcot classic World of Motion on podcast The Ride, where we believe it's fun to be free, as opposed to Podcast The Ride The Second Gate, where we believe it's fun to pay five or eight dollars. I'm Scott Gairdner, joined in the room by Jason Sheridan. I, look, just like GM's quality automobiles, not everything can be free, you know? That's, well, I would not expect GM to issue cars for zero dollars. Yes, no.

It would be funny if, like, podcasting, they put out some of the cars for zero dollars. Yes. No. It would be funny if like podcasting, they put out some of the cars for free and then other ones you need to lease. If you want the really good ones. Yeah. It's a little extra. And joining us from somewhere else on God's green earth,

it's Mike Carlson. Hi. I am. Hey, I'm here. I'm broadcasting live from the Ninja ninja turtles underground headquarters from ninja turtles 2 secret of the ooze this is the abandoned train station uh where i've made my home and where i'm choosing to raise my child so the ultimate lit wow that's where she's oh my

god well yeah uh instant jealousy not just for from all of us, I would think. Yeah. We're recording some video on this. So if you want to see me live from the underground train station, just go to YouTube. Forever Dog, right? Forever Dog's YouTube, I believe. That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that rules. What are some of the amenities of the underground train station? Do they have I mean, they they have to like think of a weird way to get pizza, right? They can't exactly enter that into the app or I guess on the phone at the time. I think they did it in the first one where they just kind of wait by a sewer grate.

And then just a disembodied voice yells at the pizza person to slip it through. And then they pay with cash. They don't like a cashless society, I assume. The Ninja Turtles, they're not in favor of the great reset that will get rid of cash and turn all of our money digital. You know, they're old school guys. Well, that's what I only recently realized the dimension that's weird about restaurants having to scan the menu that it like essentially boxes out people who don't have phones and that's sort of what's happening if it's a if it's a cash-free society that severely impacts uh mutant turtles

who live in underground lairs how else do they for sure yeah yeah and they're they're probably good tippers right because they're about virtue and justice so why you're missing out a different way and this is not the topic of the episode but I have a lot of thoughts on which turtle is the best tipper. I'm more than happy to abandon and shift as much as we want to get to the world. Donatello is the best tipper. Ah, okay. What's the thought there? What's the logic there?

Donatello, I think he's just the most sort of thoughtful and the most empathetic of all the turtles. So I think he understands that being a service worker like it's hard like it's hard waiting on people it's hard delivering pizzas so I feel like he's the one who's probably most in tune with that I would say number two is Leonardo who's pretty empathetic as well but also I think can get a little

wrapped up in himself would he be a little bit like cut the shit at some point there's a job to do you can't be nickel and diming your he might like have a limit where he's like look just deliver the food okay yeah and then i think like it maybe it's even like rafael next even though i think rafael's one of those guys who's like the food was late they're getting half the tip they're getting half the normal tip i will give them and

you're like just give the full tip man like the bouts of rage, it depends on when. But if you catch him on a good day, maybe he tips you a lot. And then Michelangelo, look, I love him. He's a party dude. But I don't think he's the kind of guy who's just like, oh, I didn't have anything. Sorry, bro. Yeah. He's like a child. He's like a child.

Yeah. The only time I ever, like a group of friends and I ever just did not complete the check was we were all like 15 at a den. Yes. Complaining about George W. Bush. And we all just pathetically like I have some more nickels. I found some more nickels and we just did. So that's, you know, yeah. Michelangelo's eternally 15, I think. And yeah, that's a great break.

I would find there's no debate over here. Right. About that list that all adds up to me did you say leonardo yet did i just he was two yes okay yeah number two yeah so jason paid attention to three quarters of the list i yeah i i just missed one i was worried i was i was ranking i was following your ranking and one. He's just got General Motors facts in his head, and he's running them over and over and over again to make sure he doesn't forget them. Yeah, my general unease with how many times they talk about low-key talk about freedom just has me a little off kilter. Fair. Speaking of George W. Bush, you know?

Yeah. Freedom. Talking about freedom. And talk about Paul McCartney, you know. Yeah. Freedom. Talking about freedom. And talk about Paul McCartney, you know. Talking about freedom. His famous song. Yeah. And then we're talking about your freedom to buy a Chevrolet Malibu.

Yes. A car I owned at one point. That's right. How lost is the reference to freedom at this by 20-year-old song? Paul McCartney's post-9-11 extremely simple. I'm sorry. That's my fault. No, I'm just curious. Maybe people have a strong memory or fondness for freedom. I think the rising is

the one we all remember. That's a Bruce Springsteen song. That's Bruce's song. Yeah. But not written. Look, we're in the weeds already, but Bruce did not write that song for 9-11. It just happened to come out after 9-11 and feel like it was a very prescient song, something that was a reaction to. Freedom was written after 9-11.

I just want to make that very clear. Yeah. I think it'd be hard to go on. No comment from my co-hosts about this. I was acknowledging it. I went to wherever Jason went during the Turtles list, I think. I went back to thinking of the Turtles tipping pizza people when I was talking about the rising. Maybe you think I should go back to that Denny's, which is still open, and just complete the bill.

I know it won't be the same people. I don't believe. I mean, how much could the tip have been on a plate of fries and a cherry Coke? Oh, yeah. It was already bad. Yeah. I'm, how much could the tip have been on like a plate of fries and a cherry coat? Oh, yeah. It was already bad. Yeah. I'm sure we were all. Okay.

So how much hammy do we all get? Between the five of us, is it an even five split on this moon? All right. How many moons do we all get? Yeah. We split it five ways. Okay. Today we are, in theory, hopefully, we'll be talking about World of Motion, an opening day Epcot attraction.

We are right around Epcot opening day, the 40th anniversary. I'm wearing a commemorative shirt, Epcot forever. That's how I feel in my heart. And, wow, almost 40 years since the future began any general feelings about or sentiments you want to send to this uh venerable park that's a good question i mean i'm happy again i'm happy there's new stuff we've gone over this many times i'm happy there's new stuff um and fun stuff to look forward to um but i do get wistful for the boring stuff they got rid of. Yeah.

Yeah. And which this definitely fits under. I'm delighted by it but I think it's – I think you'd be faking it if you said there wasn't at least some of this that is boring. I see Jason's face. He's really fired up. I was coming in ready to defend this just on the sheer fried into my memory first traffic accident scene. And then I watched it and I was like, there's a lot of fun stuff in this one. There's more fun stuff than I remember.

First off, there's nearly 200 animatronics, so high marks for that. By the way, I like the ride. I do too. This is not a mission space situation. Let me get that out of the way. I think there is more fun in this ride. This was one of the only rides Ward Kimball worked on, one of Walt's nine I think there is more fun in this ride because you had, this was one of the only rides Ward Kimball worked on,

one of Walt's nine old men. And then you had Mark Davis working on it. You had Claude Coates working on it. Buddy Baker and Exitensio did the song. You're blowing all the names right at the top. I'm blowing all the names. GM CEO Robert Stimple. Well, look, I'll'll say stimple for you i didn't have stimple this is more to make the point that i think those guys generally had more

fun uh creative work more fun in animation than say uh ray bradbury and buckminster fuller sure well you've got like a yeah goofier lineup of people mark davis is responsible for a lot of the like silliness and attractions jungle cruise i feel like he's like great disney like silly playful animatronic tableaus or mark davis and then yeah ward kimball was like uh um this is the only ride ward kimball it's? It's the only ride. Not otherwise, didn't otherwise make the shift? Well, Ward Kimball, they did name, he is, there is a locomotive named after him at Disneyland. Named after him in 2005. This locomotive was repurposed, it was originally used to transport sugar cane, a sugar cane plantation.

And then it was at Cedar Point. And then eventually- The Disney train was not a Disney original. It's not a Disney original. Really? It's also the only Disney locomotive not named after a railroad executive. Wow, really? All of the other ones are named after old-timey railroad executives.

Wow, you're heroes. My heroes, yeah. Surely great guys, right? Railroad variants? Yeah, that's right, yeah. Yeah, and of course, I tried to find a picture of Ward Kimball, and the first thing on a Disney fan blog

is Ward Kimball with a real big smile doodling one of those crows we don't talk about anymore oh no okay all right so she hadn't been photographed in it yeah he's he though like a lot of fun silly character he's he was Jiminy Cricket he was Dumbo he was Tweedledee and Tweedledum and he's like a he's a crazy coke bottle glasses loony guy like he looks fun yeah to look at so the ride is going to be fun it's more fun from a fun looking guy right yeah have we discussed that about imagineers if the imagineers are fun looking their rides are often better is that something we've put together like is that true because it's yeah i guess it's not true fun looking he's just like a man i think

he is fun yeah he's got that big bushy mustache that's pretty fun i think he has like kind of iconic features yeah you know i like him too i'm just like he's like a guy he has a mustache and he he is i wouldn't put him in the same ballpark as a guy with big crazy like a guy who looks like a scientist from a movie well maybe we look it's too much to do now, but maybe we rank the fun look of all the Imagineers at some point. You know, who looks the most fun of all the famous Imagineers? Joe Rohde looks fun. That's true. Joe Rohde is fun.

That's undeniable. But then you've got your Bob Gers. Who looks fun now? He looks fun. Yes. But at the time, I think he was, we always talk about just the white shirt, the leg buttoned up. A lot of those guys were very formal looking. I think you could make the argument the other way, that if you don't look fun, maybe you inversely come up with fun.

Young, groly, crump was like- Yeah, a hunk. Kind of a hunk, yeah, in that fair one. But he looks fun in his older But he looks fun in his older age. He looks fun in his older age. These are parameters we're going to have to figure out for whatever this takes shape. What age is it that you have to look fun by?

The fun features final four. If I could quote what you said about Tony. Well, you said iconic features, but we're going to rank their noses and chins. Where are we heading with this? I don't know. I'm saying we have to work the parameters of this out, and we'll each have our own ideas about what it is. What about costuming?

Because Ward Kimball was also in the Dixieland jazz band, the Firehouse Five Plus Two. If there are pictures of them wearing fun outfits, that's going gonna help them if there's pictures of them wearing fun outfits. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Costumes, glasses. There's no argument about Ward Kimball looking fun. No argument. And the sense of fun that he brought to the history of transportation

which you know this could have gone a more clinical way. I think that is where the story of it potentially is that they partnered with GM. We want to tell the story of transportation. There was an earlier version I think that Claude Coates was involved with that was a little more dry as some of Epcot Center ended up being. And they said, have more fun with it. Disney it up and they came up with something that definitely

feels like all right it's the pirates vibe yeah there's so many characters and big chaotic scenes and things that feel literally taken from pirates like the like a guy coming up from like from a well or a manhole cover with big goofy eyes and looking around like, what? What just happened? Garsh. Doesn't that feel – that happens in this ride, and I feel like that happens in a lot of Disney rides.

They might always use the same mold of the befuddled man with big eyes and a little quivering lip. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, in the Haunted Mansion, it's probably the same mechanism that has ghosts pop up behind a a headstone or something yeah you want pop-ups and pop-outs and they pop up pop-ups and pop-outs yeah i mean they're riding two two ways right now that

the huge success of haunted mansion and pirates and they're also not too far out from the world's fair i was talking to my dad about this, Ryan. He's like, you know, I always liked about the original Epcot stuff, those pavilions felt like the World's Fair pavilions that he saw as a kid. And he's like, he always liked those, and also a

very dad observation about Epcot. He's like, and also they were very relaxing, and it was cold in there. So that was a nice, and they were long. It was cold and long and that was a nice comparison

to the Florida Swamp. You are your dad's son. And I am, yes. With that history, with the 64 World's Fair, that's definitely a big part of this. So, Disney had, like, Disney already had a car industry girlfriend, Honey.

I don't know what you want to say, but they were already paired up with – they already hooked up with Ford, right? Yes. They weren't messing around with GM. Ford and Disney were going steady. That's the way you put it. Yes. Yeah, it's the early 60s. They were going steady. That's the way you put it. Yes. Yeah. It's the early 60s. They were going steady. Ford sponsored the attraction, the Magic Skyway, at the 1964 World's Fair.

Showed how successful Disney could be, merging with transportation and telling transportation and futurism kind of stories. But I didn't realize this, that those Disney attractions at the World's Fair, Small World and Carousel of Progress, those feel like a big deal now. But at the time, if you ranked guest satisfaction and popularity at the 64 World's Fair, the Disney attractions were 2, 3, 4, and 5. None of them were number one. And number one that guests liked the most was a General Motors ride called Futurama. They had an attraction called Futurama in the 30s, which whatever year the 30s World's Fair was.

And then Futurama 2 was at the 64 World's Fair. So they beat Disney. Somehow Disney managed to not have the most liked attraction at the 64 World's Fair. So that's probably where Disney's eyes started to stray. They're like, what's going on up over with GM? Are they available? Will they be available someday? Maybe we take GM over to Holiday Hill, if you know what I'm talking about.

Florida's out of town. See what happens. Well, I watched the Martinsvids. Martinsvids does these great video essays about disney uh attractions especially long gone ones and uh one of the very first slides uh and i screen grabbed it because i thought it was very funny uh he said having seen what disney did for ford at the 64 world's fair general motors did not want to rival stealing the limelight at epcot. So they were the first to sign on for Epcot. First pavilion that went vertical at Epcot.

Okay. So they were, yeah, they were on board. They got right to. They, well, and they gave Disney, they said, come out, take a tour of our test track, the facility where we road test the vehicles. Maybe that could be an idea for a ride. They said, no, never. That will never happen. We will figure out something better. we road test the vehicles maybe that could be an idea for a ride uh they said no never that will never happen we will figure out something better uh so test track did not occur then but yeah they

got i think this is beautiful this is like kind of two people in unhappy marriages eyeing the other well maybe if there's ever a divorce or a death maybe that's what happened with disney and gm they finally hooked up disney and uh the backup plan disney and gm is that a movie is there a movie called the backup there definitely is but i don't know there is okay as soon as i said it i was like surely someone has made something probably one of the like if we're not married by the time we're such and such an age or if we don't have kids it's such i mean i'll look it up the backup plan the backup plan is that jennifer lopez it is jennifer lopez and patrick dempsey it is hold on but is it about divorcees or people who want to get out of their unhappy marriage i think and screw froze her eggs and she just met a guy and the eggs are about to expire.

I feel like it was just. I don't know the eggs expire. Or it was some sort of. In this world. Do the eggs. In this, in the backup plan of verse. Yeah. You freeze your eggs, they last for a long time.

A woman conceives twins through artificial insemination, then meets the man of her dreams on the very same day. It is Alex O'L'laughlin he is in the movie is an actor or a what that's the star of the movie who's alex i think so is the star of a movie i've never heard this name in my life maybe maybe that seems to be the top two i will tell you this that gets me very excited also in this movie happy days is tom bosley all right well just go skip through just the bosley it isn't bosley she doesn't get with bosley if there is a movie from 2010 where jennifer love was in time like an 85 year old tom bosley hookup we would have known about it already i think would have been covered

would have been a saga alex o'laughlin of alex o'Loughlin starred on Hawaii Five-0 for 10 years. It's an alternate dimension celebrity. If it's a CBS or a USA person, I've never heard of them. A handsome guy. Yeah. And then he had other TV shows. Moonlight and Three Rivers were previous shows he was on. Okay.

All right. World of Motion. We'll try to get more stats out about backup plan as we go but uh stats about world of motion here's one of those okay i figure we're gonna get into that area that always comes up of where we are we have like the if any of us went on that and i would have been on this and when I was like seven or nine, we all have that fog of like, okay, which one is this? Is this the one with Mona Lisa? Yes. Is it the one with the cavemen? Well, a lot of them have cavemen.

Is it the one with the orange smell, as Engineer Jordan said? Like you get a lot of these dark rides mixed up, and in trying to parse which is which and what makes world of motion special i just want to talk about like is there are there definitive ways that world of motion was the best is there an area where we think we got back up we're looking back up plan now there's alex o'laugh. I've never seen this man in my life. He's the star of a movie. And a TV show.

He's so rich. He's so famous to certain people. Yeah, yeah. People would be shaking. Yeah, yeah. No offense. He might be a great actor. He might be awesome.

Well, people might be shaking to meet us, too. And he assuredly has never heard of Scott, Mike, and Chase. O'Loughlin Hive, hive rise up get our asses no don't what does there mean um okay uh areas where world of motion might be the best one does uh uh and let me just throw some stats out um because it at least is like the winner in some capacities uh i i think probably the winner of longest omni mover 1750 feet that is very very long this is a long ride 15 minutes we said that's incredible so i don't know if that i that was an estimate i i don't know i think that that's is that right it definitely feels feels like there's a lot of scenes. And you can tell when they spent through their budget when you get to Center Corps, the city at the end. I think it might have been cool, though.

It's just hard to tell on a video. I think it does look cool. I think it was cool, yeah. I think the video is so crappy on it. It all culminates in you're driving by a big futuristic city, which is like minimal and dark, true, but no animatronics by that point, but I think maybe video isn't doing it justice. So it's

very long. That's good. High ride capacity. I don't know capacities to save my life, but I know this thing, 3,240 guests an hour. Highest in the park at that time. Wow. Wow. For comparison, Space Mountain, 2,000, Haunted Mansion, 2,400. This might be one of the highest ride capacities ever. This could swallow so many people every hour and yet still had a

very long line when it opened even though the capacity was was crazy so putting up good stats but does it have the emotional pull mike is there any area where you think you've gone over this and gone well i think this does this the best or that the best i think the ending is probably i mean maybe other than like figment, I do feel like maybe this has the best ending of all of the original. I say it lovingly, boring Epcot dark rides. Because it does that city. I do have I for sure went on this as a kid. There's there's some video of us going on it.

I don't think we have video of the ride, but there's a video of us on the ride vehicle as we start when we were little. And I do when I watch the videos i do remember the end and i think that it's a great it's seemingly a great finale i want to give some credit to the start like going uh in the omni mover going up like in a spiral almost outside yeah would you get almost like a picture frame view of spaceship earth and later on the horizons building yeah that's just very cool and unique and was probably a pain in the ass to deal with during uh florida thunderstorms and hurricanes was it covered though it had a roof it has a roof but it's open uh uh it's open to the outside yeah it's yeah it's interesting because if you even stack up horizons and world of motion and then you put it up against spaceship earth which is the last one standing uh basically at this point for us to cover you mean or that exists

period oh right that exists yeah yeah right um You probably can make an argument that a lot of elements of Horizon's world of motion are better than Spaceship Earth. It's just that Spaceship Earth is in the ball. It's in the iconic ball. And the elevation really helps it. And that's such a cool element to know you're in the ball. And then at the end, even though, like, I always, as a kid, was really impressed, obviously, at the end of Spaceship Earth when you're like, that's the ball. We're inside the ball. So, like, that element kid was really impressed obviously at the end of Spaceship Earth when you're like that's the ball we're inside the ball so like that element always was was really impressive but when you watch the video you go I'm maybe the robot parts of these rides were better than

Spaceship Earth yeah I think that's right I think the novelty of being in the ball you're exactly right and this one the novelty I think comes from more, like, comedic scenes, you know? Yeah, but there's still, it's still Epcot, and it's still, as we've talked before, it's a big, long, experimental concept album where all the rides blend together. And it's not like we're doing pop songs like Pirates. We're doing more free-form songs where it's not like tight the rides aren't tight they feel a little messy to me and there's great stuff in all the rides but they all have like big like empty rooms i feel like like there were like yeah that came up with carly in the uh

the the maelstrom of the frozen ride like it's empty for a little bit i feel like every one of these rides was just dark for at least 45 seconds am i crazy it's hard to know with these old videos exactly how they played but i do like it is interesting because when you think about pirates on haunted mansion it's like all killer stuff but those have genre tropes to fall back on. You have pirate stories to fall back on, ghosts to fall back on. These are, you know, you said concept albums, nebulous concepts. Communication, transportation, horizons like the future. Transportation, probably the cleanest. Yeah, definitely. The cleanest of the concepts.

Which gives you like a quicker insight. What are we going to show? All right, well, it will be like early fumbling attempts at how we get around as humans up through like things getting kooky in the 20s and then much higher tech. And some of the history stuff, the history gags in this almost reminded me more of like Jay Ward cartoons than Disney cartoons.

In terms of like Peabody and sherman like i feel like reinventing like yeah like here's a here's a fun rewrite of history instead of like accurate spaceship birth is a little like humorless that's not the point of that's true but this takes some liberties of making jokes about da vinci or Columbus or whatever. Or like applying like vaudeville or borscht belt kind of jokes to like historic, like use chariot a lot. Feels like it would be in like a Bullwinkle cartoon or something. Oh, totally. Yeah.

I hear what you're saying. Well, is this an area where it maybe tops the others is the fun and the comedy? Because I still, maybe my heart wants to say Horizons is my favorite, but Horizons is not, you're not laughing in Horizons, certainly. No. No. I think this wins for animatronics and scenes,

and then Horizons might win in terms of sets. Yes. I feel like there's- Yeah, yeah. Incredible environments and inventive and the multiple futures you could

chart. And then again, Martin pointed out in his video the combination of kind of dry factual narration with like gag scenes, like whimsical scenes that is an interesting like interplay interplay yeah yeah and you get a lot of mixed media stuff too with like animatronics

and projected animation or projected like stock footage oh everything on screens is really fun it is like yeah it's like an early supplementary screen ride it's not it's not a screen ride but there's lots of screens that like help transport you or support what the animatronics are doing. Yeah. So it all feels like, and we've talked about this on Horizons, and there's some literal character parallels, whatever the word is. But Carousel of Progress, It feels like this is all born. These are longer sort of versions kind of born out of the carousel of progress and that sort of style of like talking about progress technology and whatever.

But it is interesting to think about carousel progress is such a, and I hate it. So annoying that I keep saying this, but it's like carousel progress to me is like got a great song. The ride feels so tight as far as like no dead space in it and then you go on this thing and it's like it's more freewheeling the song isn't nearly as good yeah i'm not gonna know a lot it's not the best epcot song i won't say not at all and it's like to be free is the song i referenced it in the opening joke um and I feel like I always assumed when preparing the episode, I was like, oh, then I'll look it up and I'm sure I will be awash with nostalgia for the great song, Fun to be Free.

And then I didn't. It didn't really take for me. Not a great song. And also, I wonder if I hate to be like, what would Walt have done? You know, but I wonder with like Small World or anything, I wonder if it was Walt who was like, and then we need like kind of a refrain on some of these experiences that kind of fills in the transition spaces on the ride.

Yeah. Because that's such a, Small World, I know people think it's annoying and it is a little bit sometimes, but it's such a, It's a hook for sure. It's such interest, it's so interesting that these rides don't feel like they have that rhythm that some of those older rides do.

They feel like looser in structure. It does have the small world trick of like that song in lots of different styles. Maybe even more different styles. And to some extent it is an earworm. Like it did get stuck in my head last night but it i wasn't excited about that like i think you were upset i was it was fine i didn't feel one way or another about it in not in the way that the original like listen to the land song that when we talked about that ride it's like where is this let's get this song back in here like this is

20 improvement just put the fucking song just yeah universe of energy which we're not so high on i think but the song both songs yeah yeah now that we've kind of been through a lot of them or an imagination could be imagining is up there i think i do the universe of energy is so great. That main, here we go, feel the flow. Yeah. That's got some real, yeah, that gets me a little pumped. You want to hear one that's not good? That's not in the ride, but that is related to the ride.

Yes. And I'm sure, well, Jason, I feel like you were already talking about these weird promotional videos, which we need to talk about. One of them, there is a video that they put out. It seems like internal for GM mainly. It's called Reality of Dreams. And Jordan, if you could pull up the clip Reality of Dreams. There's magic. There's no doubt. Again, song not in the ride. Incredible it seems that we could manufacture the reality of dreams.

Was I wrong? Was I wrong to hate on that? Not feeling it. Yeah, yeah. I think the verse on that is actually pretty fun and chill, but the chorus is a little bit unpleasant. It's kind of too airy. Reality of trees.

I think that verse is good, though. I was actually, the verse is, I was like, okay, maybe I'm into this. And then the chorus. Yeah. Here's my thing to admit. I did have that song in my head, even though I don't like it really. But I think what was in my head was that style of singing. I couldn't stop doing it.

Reality of dreams. And I was getting ready this morning, and my wife walked in on me in the bedroom, and I was singing that next to the bed. Reality of dreams. But I was about to take a shower so i had a shirt but no pants on and i was about a foot away from the cat and she walks in on this tableau like uh what are you are you serenading the cat naked what the fuck is this winnie the pooing it yeah poo bear donald duck in your ass hey, I got a show for Bunny.

Can I teach you about the reality? I did now. Look, I just wasn't thinking, and I was not aware of the fact that I wasn't wearing pants, and I definitely was not putting on a show for my cat that involved whipping my junk around for her amusement. I swear. You said she was a little under the weather too so imagine walking into that and just being like what the fuck is this i'm already blowing my nose non-stop this sucks last thing i need whatever weird cat show you're doing is that can i ask

is that off the top of your head is that one of the weirdest things she's walked in on um i don't know i mean it's always you know because hey when you're living with a comedian there's wigs of flying you never know what the um i can't think of anything weirder now that i added up especially that like if if she didn't uh grill me but if she had like what was the song oh that was a song from world of motion well not from world of motion from an internal gm video called reality of dreams promoting world of motion um the the level of it's pretty unexplainable that's for sure yeah i'm trying to think i don't know if i have anything that beats the winning the poo style but i mean the amount of times lindsey walks in and i'm like

listening and singing along to like brent spiner's jazz album or something. She's like, what is this? You think more than once, Brent Spiner's jazz album? I've done it. Yeah, or old standards, I should say old standards. It's not, maybe some is jazzy, but it's not, you know. We gotta know the genre of the.

It's like more old standards. It's like I Get a Kick Out of You. Like big band. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's McFarlane stuff. Yeah, Old Yellow Eyes is back. Seth MacFarlane. McFarlane stuff. Yeah. Old Yellow Eyes is back. Seth MacFarlane. My Bonnie lies over the ocean. Yeah.

So that's Reality of Dreams. Do we want to talk a little about these videos? And we'll say some more stuff that we like about the ride. Because I have some little moments from what I'm talking about. So there was that video. There's Reality of Dreams. And then there is this other one called Make Your Own Magic. Yeah, that's the one I watched.

I had a tape of this. And I was like, why did I have a tape of this? Because it also feels like internal General Motors promotion of Disney. It felt like it's telling employees, hey, we have a ride now. You should maybe go there, and here's what else is at Disney World. But I realized that there was a time where if you left this ride, they gave you a little slip, and it said free offer from GM if you give us your address. And you think, oh, a car? No, no, no, a tape.

And the tape – so I think that's why we had – I think my parents must have filled out this form and then gotten a tape promoting the place that we just came back from yeah i i gotta say i misjudged this one just on the like you know preview image um i thought it was gonna be it's mostly a disney world promotional video yeah with little snippets of world of motion mostly at the end but then intercut throughout they kind of tease it a little. Yeah, but they take you through. It's like all the footage we know. Like there's one shot of people walking past Spaceship Earth and right as the monorail goes by.

That is in everything. Every piece of Disney World footage or special or sitcom. Or there's like flying over Mickey on top of Spaceship Earth. They use all the footage that we know, which I've watched dozens and dozens of times. So I'm always happy to see it. But when you're talking about why you misjudged the video, is it because

of the boring man in the thumbnail? Yeah, there's a very boring man in the thumbnail, and I was like, alright, let's go. I believe Jordan has the boring man queued up. Here he is now. There's something for everybody here. Something for everybody. Today we've come to expect even demand variety and almost everything that affects the quality of our lives the history of transportation here at the world of motion

shows how people throughout the ages have searched for and found better ways to get from here to there that speech goes so much longer than what I just showed. I mercifully cut it off. You know what? I forgot about his name on screen because I was just like, man, I like that sport coat. Yes, it is a really striking baby blue. It's kind of a Johnny Carson suit a little bit.

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's very straight. It feels very, it doesn't feel it feels it feels mid-70s like he is robert stemple the ceo of general motors may have gotten stuck in hey there he is he might have like there's there's one type of suit i like and that's what i wear don't buy me anymore keep cleaning the one scott how does that compare to the was it carl wilson's the, was it Carl Wilson's jacket? Or was it a blue jacket you've always wanted to own? Well, that's a green jacket, a green shining jacket that he wore in a concert that they filmed in the early 80s.

And there's no question that's the winner. I admire Robert Stemple's jacket, but I don't think I would wear it myself. Carl Wilson's jacket I would wear every day. I'm still waiting for you to find it and wear it all the time. I've not made any particular effort. That and wear it all the time. I should. I have not made any particular effort. That'll be the next thing Aaron walks in on. Carl Wilson jacket.

How much are you paying at this auction? She finds you just wearing it with nothing else. It's just the jacket. No shirt, no pants. Singing Carl Wilson songs. Traitor. I also think I have a real vintage tie from my dad. And I think it's pretty close to that tie.

Like from the seventies or eighties. So like, man, I might have to get like a simple cosplay. The black pants, the black pants with the sport coat is very striking. It's a choice. If you went to, if you had a live show or at like a d23

type thing dressed like that i mean you would have to have visual reference but if you dressed like this and wore glasses like that slick your hair back uh i mean you could bald cap it i don't want to uh i don't want to make you spend more money look time's already doing that to me so i don't i don't think i'll have to work too hard on that one well anyway just print out a lower third for yourself that says robert stemper robert stemple the crowd just going insane like people just screaming it's like the beatles are here again maybe now maybe now that we've dropped it uh yeah wow this is we're here for the show where jason stempling. Stempling. We're recording this while D23 is just starting, and I wonder are there any Stemple cosplayers on the floor right now?

I don't think so. I think this would be a totally unique Disney World-related cosplay. Disney bounding as Robert Stemple. Like a hot 22-year-old jacked guy cosplaying. What's up, fam? Bounding his temple. We're checking out the new Halloween cake here at Disneyland, and I'm dressed like Robert Stemple.

Cut off sleeves from the jacket, like the blue jacket, cut off sleeves, and he's, like, jacked. His arms are huge. Or a beautiful girl. I'm watching her vlog. Like, why am I so in love with this Robert Stemple? Yeah. All right,

everyone let's meet up at the Disney bundle stage and you'll know how to find me. I'll be dressed like Robert. Is there, was there ever a discussion to make a park star vinyl figure of Robert Stemple? I just, that maybe somebody threw it out there. It didn't

happen, but maybe somebody threw the idea out. A lot of people filled out the free offer. A lot of people sitting on that tape. We are cutting that business off if we don't make a little toy of Robert Stemple. That's right. The chairman and the CEO, don't forget.

That's right. And he knows you want freedom the freedom to choose which which very angular car which bizarre undriveable car you want robert stempel incidentally uh 15 years before he filmed this this dry intro his son was kidnapped. His 13-year-old was just picked up in a car, thrown into the trunk, where he remained for two days straight. And the

kidnappers demanded $125,000, which he paid, but they did the old the police knew the numbers, and so they tracked the money and got them. They actually only tracked one of the guys, and the one ratted out the other immediately. Like, they didn't even know there was a second guy.

So these kidnappers, this was a very poorly put together plan. But the 13-year-old, this guy's son, Stemple's son, carved his own name into the trunk. Like, he found a blunt object and put his name in there. So like if they find the car, they'll know that's the guy's. Wow. Yeah, isn't that smart? That is really smart. There's a tip.

If you get kidnapped, an audience, boy do I hope that none of you get kidnapped. But if you do, Stemple it. All the Stemples are sharp. But write your name. Don't write Stemple. Don't write. Robert Stemple's 13-year-old son. Oh, shit. I wrote the wrong.

Oh, no. I wrote Stemple. I do have a bit of an ax to grind with General Motors. Yes, sure. Do you guys remember that ignition switch recall? This massive recall from like, I guess, what would it be? Like seven or eight years ago now. And it's that your car could just turn off sometimes. In the middle of a drive?

In the middle of a drive. Or if it was jostled a little. And I had a Saturn Ion, which was a GM car, and fell under that recall. And I had issues. I started having issues where I would turn it on and it wouldn't start, and then the key wouldn't come out. And the bigger issue, this only happened to me, thank God, one time. I went over a speed bump, like an uneven part of the road when I was like first moved out here, was doing like a PA job, doing a run in Long Beach.

And my car like really came down hard like over this bump. And it slowly just turned off. And like thankfully I was in like a residential neighborhood. But I just pulled over and I was like, what the, what's going on? And I like let it sit for five minutes and turned it back on and it was normal. And then like five or six years later, I started having this issue where I thought like, oh, is my battery dead? What's wrong? My car won't start. And eventually the dealership said like, oh, this is part of the recall. We don't have the parts yet, but hold on.

They took a screwdriver and popped a panel off on my steering column. And they're like, if your key's stuck in the ignition, hit this button and you can release it. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? This was a years long problem with my old car and eventually i got the free like recall work done and it fixed it all but it was like there were thousands and thousands of cars in america that had issues with that there went over a bump

whenever a bump and then sorry i'm gonna need a minute. Give me a second. Yeah, basically. Just give me an hour, buddy. I'll be fine. Or just weird like, hey, I was 20 minutes late from work because my car wouldn't start. And then it released the key and then it started fine. I think it was on cold mornings it would do this. This is scarcely an improvement from the days of making zebras carry all your belongings. No, I'd rather have a hot foot in the cave.

It was simpler when I had a hot foot. You'll be fine. Yikes, yikes. Wow. So you're telling me that GM is not, that the products are not always quality? Despite what our beloved theme park told us? Just saying. I know it's american

made but i haven't had any issues otherwise with my honda you know with a honda civic so um i have i have also have a general motors uh beef which is uh related to a ceo i was like so who else well first of all the the history is very spotted of the ceos i mean robert stemple seems solid we love stemple we're going to cosplay stemple we agree on that but the guy before that the ceo when this ride opened was roger smith that's roger and me that's like the guy in the movies about yeah that's who started michael moore's career and killed flint michigan and uh yeah and so you would get you they would hand out pamphlets telling you about the fine GM products

that don't die immediately after going over one bump. And there's like a smiling photo of Roger Smith. As the, like probably you could have, the movie was out and you might get handed this pamphlet. So weird there.

But then the first, okay. So I went and found a this was an internal GM magazine employee newsletter or something called News and Views. And this is from 1982 when Epcot opened, when World of Motion opened. And this is just an article, right? And it said the very first line of the article was, Walt Disney would have liked Alfred Sloan. I'm like, that's an interesting assertion. Who is Alfred Sloan? I guess anyone reading this, if you work for General Motors, you know who that is. So let me do a quick Google. Oh, Alfred Sloan, the first CEO of General Motors, the beginning of this lineage that leads to Roger and Stemple.

Okay, so he built the company into what it is today, right? Uh-oh, his Wikipedia has the headline criticism. What could there be to criticize him for? Oh, Nazi collaboration. Ah, so the first CEO. The story here is that GM also owned a German auto manufacturer called Opel, and Hitler is starting to gear up in the 30s, and some shareholders are saying, hey, maybe we should not be running Opel anymore. What do you think, Alfred Sloan? And he said, we have no right to shut down the plant. In other words, to put the proposition rather bluntly,

such matters should not be considered the business of the management of General Motors. Then a year later, the invasion of Poland began, the Blitzkrieg, and all of the trucks used in the Blitzkrieg were built by General Motors. Oh my God. One year after he said, don't worry about it, shut up. So just to remind you how we got to that guy, the phrase was, Walt Disney would have liked Alfred Sloan. And within five seconds, I got to, Alfred Sloan built all of the artillery for the invasion of Poland.

What was the Nazi scientist guy that was affiliated with Tomorrowland? Oh, in the opening day special. Well, Werner Von Braun, all the, like, Operation Paperclip, all the scientists they got out of Europe, and then ushered to America to work on weapons or start NASA. Yeah, a lot of them show up in Disney's, like, documentaries and Tomorrowland stuff, yeah.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I'm always just a stone's throw away. Always a stone, yeah. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Always just a stone's throw away. Always a stone, yeah. Nazi collaborators. You'd think General Motors, I truly thought they were going to be in the clear. I thought you were going to make the leap to Mercedes-Benz or BMW,

because they have, like, those are German automakers that have, like, not great, there's a section of the tour missing. Oh, right, right, yes. No, somehow the American company found their way and they built bombers and landmines and torpedo detonators. And apparently this guy did not resign from the board

throughout the whole of World War II. And again, Walt Disney would have liked Alfred Sloane. His best buds, Mickey Mouse and Pluto and Alfred Sloan. And then a more innocuous CEO, Harlow Curtis. He didn't work with the Nazis, but after he retired, he was on a hunting trip in Canada with the retired vice president of GM, and he accidentally shot and killed him. What?

Just a hunting trip. We're hunting ducks and then he killed his own former vice president. Vice presidents shouldn't go on hunting trips is really what you're saying. On either side. They're going to do any vice. They're going to shoot somebody in the face or they're

going to get shot in the face. If you are or have ever been a vice president, stay away. Do not go hunting. You'd rather be a on a out in the field than a vice president that's it's just it's why they're not president it's why they're vice president poor aim notoriously poor aim or poor aim from ducking away from a bullet yeah aim poor on both sides. When I get invited on a hunting trip, I always ask, are any vice presidents coming along? Raise your hand. Vice presidents, raise your hand.

Or they have great aim and they have an axe to grind. Also possible. Use these hunting trips as cover. We're on to you, vice presidents of the world. Is there a vice president of disney right now i don't know if we know the uh um who's who we'll keep an eye on them anyway um so these are

some of the great people who are uh bringing us this attraction um but it's just you know this is how it goes we've run into this many times you have to there has to be horror shows of human beings to finance our animatronics. If we start talking about some of the stuff in the ride, this has been alluded to already, the high volume of animatronics. Crazy. This could be a record that World of Motion has. Now, it depends on the source because I've seen a lot of things that say 188 animatronics, but I've seen some that low ball it at 130. That might have to do with figures like 130 of them are human.

Yeah. Proportion. And then the rest are like objects or I don't know if chickens count. So it depends. But let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say 188, which is crazy. I don't know a lot of these numbers. Pirates, 119. 109 109 haunted mansion 114 america sings we know that one had a ton 163 in sinbad or beloved sinbad in tokyo so this might

be the record of an audio and a tribe that's a lot almost 200 yeah that's i that feels like maybe it's just because it hasn't been around so long but i was like i was shocked when i was like yeah this thing has the most robots it's really crazy and then little little for the 40th anniversary of epcot let's give this this park some credit for what it did to the robot population of the earth on just the day that it opened so that's uh let's say 188 just for uh world of motion then and then you start thinking about all the other rides there's a ton in all of them we do it fast american adventure 35 listen to the land 35 universe of energy 34 spaceship earth 63 i'm not sure about all these these are you know they're estimates so we'll fuzz it Kitchen Cabaret

has a lot 28 well Horizon's not opening yet or not opening yet on opening day so let's so just October 1st 1982

a conservative estimate would be 381 robots and it might be more it might be north of 400 on a single day I don't think we give Epcot Center for all the ways

that we love Epcot for the crazy architecture and the ambition of it sheer robot count worth of 400 on a single day. I don't think we give Epcot Center, for all the ways that we love Epcot, for the crazy architecture and the ambition of it, sheer robot count. That is nuts. A single theme park, 400 robots. God, Epcot, I love you. Has anything ever come close? Nothing will come close to that again.

There's just no scenario. All parks are, we're going to get cool rides here and there, but we, you know, one of the only things where I might agree with you, Mike, in your otherwise grotesque breakdown of Transformers versus Rise of the Resistance, we do give, you know, like we're impressed that there's, you know, 30 animatronics on something but when the bar 40 years ago was almost 200 and 400 in a single park what have we done what what's happened to our this is what they took from us this is yeah we have to go back i i want to give it even more make audio or accolade to World in Motion. A lot animatronics in the post-show area, in what they called the Trans Center, which is what Ron DeSantis supporters call Disney World as a whole right now. It's one of their favorite activities after only frothing at the mouth and posting on Nextdoor. It's their favorite it's one of their favorite activities uh after only frothing at the mouth and posting on next door these are their favorite things to do but yeah there there was there was a

lot of stuff in the the post show area looks pretty fun yeah on this oh yeah there was a robot and a bird doing a double act you know i think that count that i get i think i think if well if it's 188 i don't think that even counts it doesn't count bird and robot I think that count that I get, I think if it's 188, I don't think that even counts Bird and the Robot. It doesn't count Bird and Robot. I think that takes it up to 190. And then original animation at the Water Engine Theater. That's a weird show, right? That is weird.

Part of me wants to do a second gate just on the post-show era, just on the Trans Center. But I don't know if it's meaty enough. Can I just read the – I found a – I was, I guess, looking at 80s magazines. Listen to the way – this one, I think it was called like Industrial Design Magazine, was really mad at this post show, which is called Water Engine. They hated it. They hated the whole park. They said GM takes the prize for vulgar excess with its ride through the history

of transportation uh and one of the things about it is a truly nasty multi-screen exhortation by a macho cowboy portrays anybody working on alternatives to the good old combustion engine as a creep a crackpot or a wimp oh. I'm not endorsing the message of Water Engine. I was just impressed by original animation for the walk-by post show. Oh, the animation is all really fun. But yet they're not... I mean, I think this guy...

Why are we using... We're saying nasty and... Nasty, yeah. It's a very nasty post show. Let me tell you that. That is technically the premise, though, is that a cowboy, a good old American cowboy, says, well, nothing's ever going to beat the engine. And then seven weirdos show up to provide all possible alternatives to the engine.

And then he just kind of sits there calmly and is like, yeah, not an engine, though. And they're all like, yeah, you're right. Okay. Sorry. He is. He does give them credit. He's like, if anyone can pull it off, I'll happily endorse it. But I don't think so.

And it turns out that Glum Cowboy was right. Besides the plug-in, the begrudging plug-ins we have nowadays. Yeah. Yeah, especially the show's called Water Engine, and the one who says, what if there was an engine powered by water, is an Igor lab freak. Like, he's, I know, a water engine. He's like a Peter Lorre voice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like one step away from being put in an institution. So that's how crazy a water engine, even though it's the name of the show. Also what a weird, kids, you want to stick around for water engine? We got water engine starting in four minutes. Mom, Dad. You look tired, but Water Engine. I don't care about dinner reservations. Let me just watch Water Engine one more time.

I can eat at home. I can't watch Water Engine at home. In the Guardian, the new Guardian's Red Q. And I really love the post-show Water Engine. That's my favorite uh show a video to watch oh god and the oh and concepts 2000 where GM showed you what cars might look like and how they might respond to uh different uh wind speeds ah love god love awesome oh so sweet someone was mad at us when we posted that and it's like oh sorry this world famous actor doesn't know as much as you 30 year old guys

and uh it's like we are we already scolded that person yeah yeah they got we're we're not i don't think that was the criticism i think the criticism was hey man maybe read over the script on the card of the sounds maybe give it a pass a couple times and ask some questions if you're not sure i think that depending on the level of and i'm not cutting them a break but um you know having worked at funny or die i know the the the pressures of the the uh a the celebrity is here for precisely nine and a half minutes go go, go, go. And it shouldn't be that way with the rides. People should be excited to be on the rides.

People are going to see that forever. But I have a feeling that second takes are always tough. If it's an A-list star, I think that, like, I think Pratt was probably, like, looking at the door. That's where his eyeline is. He's like, the door is open and his car door is open. And as soon as cut is called, he is barreling into it. That's where his eyeline is. He's like, the door is open and his car door is open. And as soon as cut is called, he is barreling into it.

Yeah, he's in the middle of changing shoe. He's got one shoe on, one street shoe on, one costume shoe on. And then they're like, oh, we're not going to see your feet. Doesn't matter. Look, I guess I'm just a little naive. I'm just more like, all right, everyone, we're putting on a show. No, you're correct. I don't like it.

It's definitely not good. The only thing I could say about it is sympathy for. And you know what? I know from a different podcast that another A-lister, Will Smith, that he was like, they had no time with him on Men in Black. Yeah. And I don't approve of his slapping, but he did give it his all with his one-take performances in the Men in Black Alien Attack ride, far pre-slapping. That's the will we want back. Jason's acting like on that Hulu commercial that's airing right now.

They didn't say, all right, we're going to try it again. And Jason goes, no, I'm good. I did my one. I'll be back in the trailer. I'll be going to get a breakfast burrito Give me some cards I'll do another one if you give me cards It's running and gunning

In a heat wave too Shooting outside on a hill One take Sheridan It wasn't when the heat wave was the worst You're right it was hot But it wasn't It was only 95 it wasn't 105 it is a difference no um i i guess i you the day where you were very stressed out because of

the swimming we haven't seen the swimming yet no there's a bunch of other stuff that was shot i think just for social media just for for like Twitter and Instagram ads. It was just so funny that we were texting you about stuff and then you were flustered and like, guys, I'm sorry. It's just it's been a lot of swimming and. I'm talking about hours in a pool, hours in a pool. And is it like it's like how crazy is the swimming? Like I just, you know, even in an inner tube just treading water and then paddling back to one like paddling back to set we're like uh on the side of a pool

and like you know you think that'd be fine but it's like oh the way they need it the background to be we're in the deep end so like i'm holding myself up and shredding water. You're dog paddling a little bit. Yeah, a lot of dog paddling. Let me ask you this. Are you a lazy river guy? I am a lazy river guy, usually. Okay.

Yeah. I'm a big lazy river guy. Scott, ever been in a lazy river? What are your feelings on it? Yeah, I love lazy rivers. Oh, I love a lazy river. Yeah, but that does a lot of the pushing for you. So you're saying that when you were in the inner tube,

it wasn't you weren't butt first sitting with your legs out because that's the most relaxing position a human could be in. No, I would step into it. You were like this. And pull it up. Arms over. And then other people were sitting in it, but even then they were like, all right,

kind of got to paddle back to the camera mark. Do you think, what is your guess? When the commercial comes out, do you think that it will be clear the amount of effort that was put into the swimming? Or are we going to watch it and it looks like you're just sitting around? There's no way it's clear. No, because most commercials, whatever you give and whatever everyone was laughing and it's the best one, it's just the fastest one is probably what goes in because you're you're judging by seconds so this is not

going to seem like you were in a greg laginas biopic no no hey it's not it wasn't clear in the wendy's commercial that i had to do stunt driving that they sprung on me about an hour before it happened you know so i'm sure it's not going to be very clear of all the swimming Jason edited. Yeah, also, again, I'll say, this was one of the most fun shoots I've ever been on. This was delightful, and everyone was very good and stuff.

You hear that, Hulu? So he said it, hire him again. Hulu people were so nice. Make him the face of Hulu, Hulu. My feet were bleeding. Almost ripped my swim trunks off. It's almost naked like Scott singing to the cat. The brand new not my swim trunks wouldn't have been my choice necessarily, swim trunks.

They couldn't afford a good string. It ripped right off on the show. I couldn't say that. Okay, okay. So let's say some ride stuff let's let's we said hi animatronic count uh who do we like who are our guys who are our fake guys in this ride well i will say for your theory of like stuff blending together yeah i didn't remember exactly that it was in this ride but the sea serpent looking into the guy's telescope the goofy looking sea serpent i had no idea which one that was yeah but glued in my mind glued in my mind like i mean i knew the traffic accent was in this

scene because there's cars everywhere and a horse and stuff yeah um so that one is uh great that's neat it's like possibly col possibly Columbus or a generic explorer. I don't know. But looking like... Is the idea almost that he has his telescope right up to the... That almost like the black pupil is filling the entire telescope so he doesn't even know there is a full

giant dragon staring at him? Is that possibly the full gag? I mean it's fun no matter how you slice it um that's cool i like well you get cavemen you know what i was gonna say this in i think this justifies our how we feel where they all blend together a little bit for us this is from an imagineer this is from uh oh why can't i find it geez um the guy was tim delaney that's right uh tim delaney who who was the star of this documentary about space mountain in paris uh he was a bit like kind of pioneered the launch in a way the ultimate launch queen

tim delaney he uh he worked for imagineering and worked on a lot of these rides and this is from the defunct land podcast kevin interviewed him and uh this is an imagineer saying this that he just kind of flippantly says uh well you know a lot of that early epcot stuff it's like basically all caveman to space shuttles so even he is like okay it's another one where it's like see things were very simple but now they are very high tech and he said his specialty was um the future stuff like that's what he was really into so i maybe have to credit this guy with a lot of the very good and i think he had a lot to do with that ending the future city center core he designed that i

believe so he was like the epcot future design guy in which case he has my heart um but he said uh i didn't mess around with the cavemen they had good cavemen guys they were covered on cavemen i love that that's like when disney says we had good fake rock guys like cavemen was like there were people who specialized in that and are there cavemen in every one of these probably not horizons but um yeah i guess not oh yeah but it's definitely space to birth you go back pretty far energy universe of energy is that just dinosaurs well there's dinos yeah yeah uh because they they would be accurate cavemen were not around when dinosaurs were around this is kind of a universal reference point of like the earth in the past pre pre man or pre-modern man you know

pre yeah modern civilization um yeah yeah and those are i like the caveman the guy blowing on his foot because it got all sure hot and um i want to shout out the pig in the hot air balloon yeah absolutely i mean that should be a goat. I mean, I guess it's just because it's not around, but that should be like a big Thunder Mountain goat, I feel like. Pig in the hot air balloon. Yeah. Pig has got a real kind of creepy grin on its face.

You got a couple of pigs, correct? Because then you got the pig. Yes. One of the more memorable Teblos is the guy in the white Mark Twain suit landing in the mud, and there's pigs around him another pirate's gag a very similar pirate's gag yeah yeah this guy seems like he's in there not by choice whereas the pirate in the slop seems like he loves being there with the pig he wants to be there yeah I mean they're still they're still kind of inventing the modern Disney dark ride,

animatronic loaded up dark ride, you know? Mm-hmm. But, yeah, another, I mean, the robots are good. I don't want to make it seem like I don't like this because there's so many good robots, like the newsy boys and stuff that come later. Oh, yeah. Oh, the ice-picking boy?

Yeah. They're picking apart the big block of ice. The ice. I like the, there is the just-married car, and then the car full of rowdy college students. That's what college students did for fun in the past. They just put too many people in a phone booth or too many people in a car.

But there's banners above the one. there's projections going on at the same time there's banners above the newlyweds that say vanity fair vanity fair referring to the phrase uh i'd look this up on miriamwebster.com a scene or place characterized by frivolity and ostentation so this was a phrase before the magazine vanity fair that's why it's called that but the weirder banner i want to talk about above the college kids there is a banner that says college humor oh yeah i i think that i think college humor was maybe a magazine before the one that we know before yeah yeah i saw that in some article i think that jumped out of me is

weird yeah i think that name may have existed humorous frivolity like of a piece with vanity fairfields like like look at these outrageous they've all got letterman jackets on and they're sitting on the top of a flagpole can you believe the youth But it did not overlap with the website. It was not. There were no further. They didn't reference Streeter. There's no reference. No.

No. Sakoyama. Baby Sakoyama came along after this ride. Yeah. Yeah. Here's one I would like to talk about, which is the you get into the the flight is taken off there's a lot of which also is confusing because you have that delta dream flight that gets into it's the crazy history of plan that has like 1920s stuff and weird barnstorming planes so there's probably memories we all have that we think are in this but are actually in Delta Dream Flight. So it goes to Magic Kingdom 2.

But this does have a woman who's really impressed to be next to a real barnstorming pilot. And I just have this on my computer. I don't have it. Let me get it on camera. But this is like this guy who has the aviation cap and a mustache. And this guy always kind of scared me. And if he's in like Epcot promotional videos,

he scares me. I think his face is so sharp. It's a big sharp chin and a big sharp nose. He's too big. Like the other animatronics in this ride are really realistic. And then he's scary. He's like the Fibbler or something.

She looks like a 70s woman. She looks like they're like, make this look normal. Yes, he looks a little like Faye Dunaway or Sybil Shepard. Yeah, yeah. And then he looks like when Snidely Whiplash wears a disguise. When Snidely Whiplash is trying to fool everyone,

so he makes himself look not creepy, and everyone's like, oh, who's this count? Who's this captain of industry? Or this would look, if Jay Leno was, like, wearing prosthetics for a sketch for a hidden camera gotcha, he'd look like this pilot. Was that a nod? I mean, it was not a nod to the future of Jay's big dog. Like, obviously, Jay wasn't well-known as a car guy back then,

so it was just a happy coincidence. I don't think this is a nod to, at the time, David Letterman. Regular guest on David Letterman's late night show. I don't believe he is. And they probably wouldn't have put a mustache on him. But maybe, I don't know. Might have been the inspiration, though.

So sorry. MiriamWebster.com covered in Pinocchio. So I'm just realizing they're playing in the background. This dictionary website covered in ads for live action Pinocchio. So I guess that's what I've been looking up. Well, happy Disney Plus Day, everyone. Yes, happy Disney Plus Day. I like that there's a scene of a train robbery.

So we're learning about motion, and we're also learning now, because of the invention of different modes of transportation, we learn also that you can be robbed in transit to some place on one of your favorite modes of transportation. So I honestly think they should have stuck with this and shown robberies happening on every different type of uh transit who know and maybe someday robberies on a hovercraft yeah like a future robot comes down with a laser gun people's hands in the air it's just a very funny thing to put in the middle of like the positive i

mean it's i guess it's a gag because there's like a guy in a fun like little suit uh and i guess you could say that i don't know i'm just gonna say that maybe they're rich people so he's robbing from the rich but i don't know they're not really indicating uh i guess they're not indicating class or status you don't really see the size of the money bags no but yeah i know it's like presented as comical but then the the guy there's a guy who has a gun like an inch away from his face and he is shaking that's his animation as he is trembling like wait that's actually the more you stare at it you have a choice to make flip a coin it would be like on carousel of Progress if he's like, well, you know, my identity was stolen again.

Folks, what happens is someone takes your social security number and then they start to they take all the things and they can use your credit cards and then you have to get it back. And it's a long process. Boy, do I not like my identity being stolen? Oh, my. That's progress. That's progress, I guess. Cost of progress. You you know i didn't like it happening but i did appreciate the progress right so noisy around here with the next door

neighbor out fella named martin shkreli it's going off to jail he's moving out he's got a special album though that's still in the house. Only one of a kind. The scene rotates. Well, this is progress. Martin Shkreli out of jail starting something called a Web3 company. I'm still trying to just log on to AOL. That's progress for you. And each scene just is about Martin Shkreli. But what does the future hold for Martin Shkreli?

Oh, due to the agreement with the contract, because the United States government now owns the Wu-Tang Clan album, they are free to release it as there was only supposed to be one owner. Uncle Orville invested too much in Ethereum. And the crash happened mere weeks ago. So needless to say, Uncle Orville has no money left. He did it all on a smartphone. No privacy at all around here.

In fact, this isn't our house. This is a set that we snuck into. Then security guards show up. Oh, crap. Gotta go. Hey, kids. Lost the house trying to buy GameStop stock, and then Robin Hood app wouldn't let me take my winnings out Movie Pass seemed like a good opportunity at the time They also laughed It's a great big beautiful tomorrow My new job at Quibi will last forever They're flipping videos two ways now

Who'd have thunk it? So yeah, so it is interesting to see that portrayed in that way on this. Yeah. Oh, and, well, I got something about the train robbery. So, well, this is something to say. You know, this is a lot of animatronics, and this ride disappears in 1996, the very beginning of 96. And you don't just throw 188 animatronics in the garbage.

That doesn't seem right. They were trying to find some other purposes for all of them. And I remember strongly, I think it was later in that year, or it could have been 97, that the first of the umpteenth Pirates Redos happened. And the headline of it was was the women are chasing the men now how will society ever continue but i went on it when it reopened and my main thought was are those the animatronics from the world of motion i i don't know if they're still there

all of them but like they added extra animals especially there's's pigs, I believe. Your beloved pigs, I think, showed up in Pirates somewhere and maybe some... Chickens? I think some of the chickens went to the ride Goofy's Barnstormer. Oh, okay. I think they had chickens popping up in the barn. There's some characters who they added. I don't know what they're doing in Pirates,

but in World of Motion, they're pulling on ropes to control horses and donkeys that are getting out of control. And I think similar stuff's happening in Pirates, and they just put pirate rags on them. So at least some of these characters ended up in Pirates, but there's one that, and I've only found one source saying this, so I don't know if I believe it. This is just the website,

Walt dated world.com. And they said that one of the animatronics, when this ride closed, moved a few feet over at Epcot center and was repurposed to become the Ellen DeGeneres animatronic in the bizarre redo ride Ellen's Energy Adventure. I could not. I really tried to find other sources on this, and I couldn't. But then I was like, I want to figure out if there's any truth to this.

So I started looking at animatronic. There's a lot to go through with 188. I'm like looking for posture, basically. As I said, there's robots that are pulling a rope, and if you remember Ellen, and that's a big if, if you remember the Ellen robot, she has a

big branch, and she's trying to either feed or fend off a big dinosaur. So I'm like, well, is it one of the rope-holding ones? No, I think they're scrunched too much, and they ended up in Pirates anyway. But there's, I have one candidate, and holding ones? No, I think they're scrunched too much and they ended up in pirates anyway. But I have one candidate and I want to see if you guys think this could be Ellen. Jordan, can you pull up the photo, Ellen?

This is the only possible one to me. And just hear me out for the listeners. So Ellen is holding a big branch. This train robber is also holding items, not one big item, but a hat to put money in with one hand and like taking a chain, robbing a piece of jewelry with the other. And the legs are bent at a similar angle,

not very, that's not like a 45 degree. That's just like a little three degree bend and maybe i'm just thrown because the hair is a little similar like it's kind of this dirty blonde and then uh and it's like like khaki shirts but you know they redressed the animatronic i'm sure um am i crazy is this the only like this is the only one I think that possibly could be Ellen in hiding? Well, I think a couple things I have questions on. Yeah. One is how customizable are arm movements?

Because the arm movement in the train robber is like doing two different things. It's got the gun. It's got the hat. Ellen is holding the branch very low, much more different position. Absolutely. But think about this. The hands are constructed to be holding something, and maybe you just move them down. You just move them down and then reprogram maybe stuff.

I bet that's possible. I think that's possible. Okay. But they didn't have to remold hands. And look at the angle on the left hand. I think there's like a little bit of an elbow bend. Yeah, that's true. I'm thinking about what I remember from Superstar Limo where Drew Carey was a robot that was holding a bunch of maps to the stars homes.

And they got converted to a monster zinc robot that's also holding a bunch of pictures that say, have homes, and that got converted to a monster zinc robot that's also holding a bunch of pictures that say, have you seen this child? So I'm using that logic. Like, okay, they probably, if it was holding something, it still has to be holding something. But I think you could move those arms down. Okay, my other question then is,

with the bank robber, what's under the bandana? Did they finish the face? Oh, yes. Do you finish a character's face if what if the hair looks pretty similar what if they did the math and said i think that could pass for ellen all we have to do is uh put kind of female features on the lower half of the face which right now is just pure robot it's pure. There's just no skin under that mask. You make a very good case. I think it seems very possible.

It doesn't seem that crazy. But again, I only saw this on one. I think it's either this train robber is hiding out as Ellen to get away from, they're on the lam posing as Ellen, or this fact is not true. And this was a custom Ellen DeGeneres robot. However, this robot has always been very bizarre. Correct. Very bad.

So it would have to be reused. I was explaining all of this to Aaron and saying, OK, so I have a theory. Now, what do you think? And I pulled up a picture and I said, OK, so here's Ellen. And she said, OK, now show me Ellen. And I was like, no like no no that's Ellen wait the one we're looking at right now is supposed to be Ellen Degenerate yes yes this

is the after I'm showing you and then she said please also put pants on please why must you conduct all of your business and put the cat down for God's sake Scott please the boy the boy learns from watching his parents he needs to know

the anatomy you'll have one day i'm teaching him a lesson at all times ellen looks like lady elaine fairchild from um from mr rogers oh yeah that big version of that mr rogers puppet oh we're zooming in thank you jordan yeah yeah that's it's very like a stern, bowl cut and a stern look. That deserved like a dun, dun, dun. Yeah. That's a like, that's terrifying. There's almost like. Very scary, yeah. I mean, there's kind of like a like, there's like a 70s horror movie that it's taken. The brow is so like, is it am I just thinking of like Yul brenner and westworld

probably the hills have eyes or the dinner scene from texas chainsaw but like a distant relative of leather face like or a grown child of the corn yeah stuff stuff where they were like you know we have a hundred dollars to costume the scene so just put some putty on their face. Anyway, if anyone knows this, this might be another, like, this could be like a Jim and Len. I don't know if they listen. And if you do, sorry I've done impressions of your voices once in a while. But if you aren't listening, somebody get the word. I'm really curious if there's any truth to this.

Well, look, Len took on the Jay Bigga case, so I think there's a decent chance he's listening. A pro bono detective work out of Lentesta. Is Ellen also the train robber? Somebody out there knows this fact, and we've got to find him. We'll figure it out. We won't figure it out. Someone else will figure it out for us.

Someone else who is there. As you said the first time, it's easy to, like, we can solve any mystery with someone else solving the mystery. Exactly. Did you guys catch that when this ride closed in 96, it caused a chain reaction. It caused Horizons to open back up. Oh. Like, a few weeks before. Like, they were down too many people eater rides.

Yeah, they were down too many attractions. So like, I think it was something like the 23rd or 24th of December, like right around Christmas, they reopened Horizons.

So for a while, they had both open for the Christmas rush. And then in the new year, they close World of Motion for Test Track, which was of course then a pain in the ass year, they close World of Motion for Test Track, which was, of course, then a pain in the ass because it kept not working.

And there was just no ride for it. This section of the part, that side of Future World had it so rough for a while. Still does. Yeah, yeah. Well, the only reason I wouldn't say that is because they have Guardians now. Oh, that end of it. But the other half of it. Yeah.

It's like boring Ellen, ride with this, with this frightening, like this Ellen who's gonna stab you with this tree branch, and then rob ya, it's still got the robber instincts. And then these two really like problematic rides in their construction, in the ride's functionality functionality not due to racism or anything i don't think yeah right admission space or test track i don't believe i think they're those two i don't think so i think yes unlike a lot of rights they're in the clear um yeah bad area

though for epcot for a while um it did this ride purely close because we have an idea for a thrill ride and that's the end of it? Well, I think what it was was, I mean, GM, you know, they had the first sponsorship contract. They renewed it. There's an economic downturn around the time that that is being renewed. Okay. Early 90s, maybe 92 about. And then they kept doing one-year contracts, like, we'll keep sponsoring. Okay, it one year contracts. Like we'll keep sponsoring. Okay. It's still going good.

We'll keep sponsoring. Which was like good for Epcot because everything did the 10 year and then bailed, but they at least kept doing little renewal. GM still the sponsor never went away. They've just, Chevrolet is the, the more specific line is sponsoring it,

but still GM. And so I think after some year long contracts, the more specific line is sponsoring it, but still GM. And so I think after some year-long contracts, they're like, we want to keep doing it. Could we get something new in there? And Disney was like, well, we are missing a thrill ride. And then that's when they make the connection. Like, you did show us your test track.

Gotcha. Is there something there? Yeah, yes. Which isn't a bad thought but certainly the first few years even the first decade of epcot i i was looking up well what were disney's thrill rides were first space mountain and big thunder mountain railroad the earliest one of those was 1975 was the first i believe that would have been space mountain at disneyland they got into thrills very very slowly yeah they got in very slowly so like it kind of makes sense that it took epcot a while to get a thrill ride because i don't think they were thinking about like oh yeah parks need

to have dark rides and thrill rides and show like they were still you know figuring out what this is we just need slow moving trips from caveman days to an optimistic future that the corporation sponsoring the ride cannot make happen yeah uh there is a funny one of the cars at the end looks like the tesla cyber truck yes it does Yeah, like very, very similar. Very similar. I don't know the Tesla Cybertruck offhand. Oh, it's a really angular. Everyone says it looks like polygon,

like early PlayStation 1 cars. Oh, yeah. That's so pointy. That's the one where Elon Musk said he was on stage and he said that the windows could never break and then he hit it with like a big hammer and then the window broke. Yeah.

It's like a QVC blooper. Yes, yes. That's madness. A high-profile QVC blooper. I think some people are speculating because they're like, oh, there's no rear-view mirrors on the sides. It's like, aha, there's cameras. And everyone's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

Cameras break all the time. Yeah, what if the – I don't think we've figured out something better than mirror yet. As long as it has a secret button in case the key won't come out, then I think it'll be all right. No, no button. Saturn ion. It's guaranteed to get caught on fire that fire departments cannot put out.

That is the feature. It's a special kind of Tesla-type fire. Yeah. It's not normal fire. It's futuristic fire that it's harder to put out. No. We'll find new types of fire. We're excited.

We're excited about that. That's my attempt at an Elon Musk. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. He does kind of ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. He laughs weird, right? Yeah. Yeah.

No, it's hard. I've tried to do them before weird, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. No, it's hard. I've tried to do them before. It's not. I can't do it. But that's that seems close to me. That's that's pretty good. They're clipped.

And that's close. I'm going to get. There's another weird car that they showed off called the Lean Machine. That's in the show. And it's called the Lean Machine, not just because it is very thin. It is a one person car. Aaron described it as looking like a motorcycle with a house. Yeah.

It's like it is. It is because you're reclined. It's like a recumbent bike. But then it's got like a little pod on top. But also it's a lean machine because you lean. It's like it's the same idea as the Segway where you're using your own balance. So you like, you know, turn your legs in the way you would on a motorcycle, but you're also steering. And this thing just looks like it's a tin can. Like if anything, if like a large dog landed on top of the car, you would get crushed to death.

Yeah, I will say a lot of proof of concept stuff. A lot of lot of you know blue sky thinking sort of stuff in the post show area yes much more fun and optimistic than current test track yeah like current test track post show is just like hey everyone here's the new chevy malibu oh yeah here's the current model chevy oh there's a saturn ion there's a saturn yeah we should post photos of your Saturn Ion. It was a very reliable car. I still think you drive that. I'll see it on the road sometimes and I go, oh, Jason. Oh, no, he doesn't have it anymore.

You get your hopes up? Jason. Like a dog waiting for their master to come home. It was a very specific color green. I loved that color green. It was very easy to find parked on the street. Oh. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll find some photos. I was going to say, I think if you quizzed me in 90, whenever Test Track opened, I would have definitely said, oh, good, this is so cool, Test Track. It's awesome. But in hindsight, not as good as this ride i think huh yeah i mean i would i would definitely love if this was here today i was thinking how insane it would be if like again we're recording

this on d23 weekend we don't know what they're announcing but if they announced imagine this hadn't happened and they announced what we're going to do is build a 15 minute ride about the history of transportation and there will be 188 robots in it. Go, what in the world? Now? That's what's happening? And for what IP? For what Marvel? No, no, no. No nothing. Leonardo da Vinci is in it.

Does that count as IP? There is a man on a flying carpet. Apropos of nothing. Aladdinesque. Yeah. So, yeah. I don't give a shit.

I don't need to fall into your IP trap. I'll give them a lot of credit in the post show and the building out front. A lot of good colored lighting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and this building is the shape of a wheel. Uh-huh. Yes.

So that's fun. That was on purpose. That they have stuck with. There was the outdoor track, which you do get in Test Track, there was a plan for something like that here. Where it goes outside for a little bit. Well, I think they were talking about building a second ride. The early Blue Sky stuff is interesting,

where it was like a much bigger atrium. Yeah, yeah. That Martinsville bigger atrium. Yeah, yeah. That Martinsvids is really good. Yeah, and he also – Yeah, it was over all that. I watched a ride through, kind of a grainy ride through on YouTube, and I was like, oh, I wish I found a better quality one. Most of the Martinsvids is a recreation of riding this ride,

cutting together people's home videos and it is incredible like if we gave him all the footage he could probably reconstruct the JFK assassin he could answer he is so good at constructing like every angle of a scene from like people's grainy super

8 and VHS I found I found home movies from the CIA with very clear plans. And it's very clearly... Kennedy murder plans. George H.W. Bush standing right there, clear as day. He was in Dallas that day.

Yeah, what's the other thing about World of Motion? I mean, just for my taste, the first traffic accident scene a lot of good old-timey nonsense ice truck a bus labeled jitney uh still a lot of uh jitney is the uh old-timey name for buses or trolleys sometimes taxi cabs just back in the day and a lot of the small like jersey shore towns that have been like vacation towns for 100 plus years still refer to like the Atlantic City Jitney has been running for like since 1917 consistently. Is your old timiness a product of growing up around there where it's more of like the remnants of it are around more than California? Well, yeah, but then, yeah, there's there's a lot more remnants around. And then also like the early Disney stuff,

all of the middle-aged people referencing the past in these rides then just embed in my brain. You learned a lot about the early 1900s from all these epics, from this future theme park. And Bugs Bunny doing Humphrey Bogart impressions or the Marx Brothers just in the stands of a Mickey cartoon or something. And you hanging out and growing up with the other little rascals, of course. Yes, that's true.

Yeah. When you hear the phrase 1964 World's Fair, you have a little cowlick that pops up. That's right. I drank my polio medicine and now I get to go to the World's Fair in the tree. Another thing about World of Motion, haven't mentioned yet, a very good icon. I think a top-tier Epcot icon.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard to rank them. They're all good, but that one has a dot in the very center, and it's like making centrifugal force happen around the idea of motion yeah forward momentum within the little circle

that's another ranking I love them so much that's another rank you're trying to rank the original Epcot icons we could do that do that yeah okay happy anniversary yeah yes and here in one more before we wrap it up. I think this is an iconic scene and one that I like,

which is the invention of the wheel and this idea that people are pitching other wheels and the other wheels are hexagons and triangles before you get to the good old roundy. I love the idea that that's what happened. Like they made it as far as we're going to have a cart, we're going to have like a little room, but a room you could move. And now what we need is a stick and a shape.

So what should the shape be? And then people go off and, okay, I think stakes are high. They're going to execute me if they don't like this uh yeah hex a hexagon now star maybe a star five points all right so i made my wooden star all right let me see if it moves my tiny room forward it doesn't shit maybe they'll just like the design of it maybe i can sell it anyway all right I'm late for my meeting with the king. I better get over. He's going to poke both of my eyes out with his pointy hat if he doesn't like my moving shape.

Yeah. Somebody went really abstract with the shape and designed a new shape. Oh, yeah. Really bad, yeah. Yeah, just weird, jagged. There's still no name for it. I like that the three guys with the other shapes are losers. They have poor posture, and they're nervous.

I don't know. I liked it on paper. And then the wheel guy is hot. He's taller than them. He's confident. He's swarthy. He's got kind of a Jesus-y beard. Just like our fine General Motors employees and executives. You look your best. You think your best. The cars you make perform their best. That's how it works. People with the best ideas

are always hotter. That is something that's being represented here. Just like Elon Musk. That is something that's being represented here. Just like Elon Musk. That's right. Is that it? Say what you will about it. My man's a fucking stud. We saw those pics.

We all got those alfalfa cowlicks popping, blowing. All right. I think we made it. Throw in any thoughts on this as we go out but you survived podcast the ride world of motion happy 40th birthday Epcot Center thank you and we say this with love thank you for all your boringness

because people say keep Epcot weird or whatever but I say keep it boring I get nervous with these roller coasters with you know what I like the poor line read. That feels like an odd. I agree. I said it before that it's better that it's bad, but it's funny.

Yeah. Well, if we want Epcot to be at least a little boring in a fun way, then what better way than seeing an A-list actor get bored while saying his own line? Will that age into the next generation of thank the Phoenicians? Will that be caught? Like people start. Whatever his quote is.

Yeah. It's like his nervous hesitation before saying the veggie veggie fruit fruit. Yeah. I think so. I was going to say the last thought I had. Well, do you want to do the plugs? Then I'll give my last, my final thought.

Yeah, let's do that. I'll throw these out. Hey, so, oh, thanks to engineer Jordan Katz here at Forever Dog. Thank you, Jordan, for everything. And hey, you can find us on all the socials at Podcast The Ride. Merch is available in our Tee Public Store for three bonus episodes every month. Check out Podcast The Ride, the second gate, or get one more bonus episode, which you, the audience votes on on our

new tier club three we'll find all that at patreon.com slash podcast the ride mike i was going to say you know ellen they gave it a there was a there was a time we talked about many years ago on the universe of energy which started as a much drier ride and then they asked they added bill nye added ellen to it because those are 90s icons but and i mentioned him already but was there ever an idea let's throw jay leno on this thing to save it well he was in epcot don't forget there was that little thing in intervention yes where you could be interviewed by him on this night which imagine 10 year old me i'm like biting my tie like watched it and learn the rhythms so that I wouldn't be any downtime.

We got to do that as an episode too. Yeah, I'm sure you could find somebody's footage of it. But you know Martin Short or many people had multiple appearances in the park. So it really I mean you could definitely come up with a Leno sort of hosted world of motion where he talks about, you know, the invention of cars and stuff. That would have to be even longer because he could, he would stop at every car and tell you like, no, this wasn't,

you could do Seinfeld. You could put Seinfeld in there too. You could have all the nineties. Wearing his cool new clothes. Yes. Modeling clothes. If it was still around now, there would be,

they would shut it down to put Seinfeld's new clothes on him that are in that photo shoot that just came out. Since Leno has come up, I texted you guys right before we started recording. Bethy Squires, who we've met before, is a good writer. And she posted about how learning about Jay Leno has been voicing a character in the Mickey Mouse cartoons for years. Oh.

You don't say. I see it. Yeah, I see it. And I'm excited to dig in there. What's the character? What do we know? I don't. We'll just have to find out.

Oh. Okay. Well, we will. No, it's not weird. I don't think it's weird. I think we'll just literally have to find out. Oh, no. That was literal.

Yeah. All right. Okay. Well, we'll do that and get back to you. But for now, the episode's over. It is over. So long. Now, I think it's A2 for Conan.

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